[Coco] more that one shell from an external terminal(update)

Fri Sep 18 16:47:51 EDT 2015

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On Sep 18, 2015 4:38 PM, "David Ladd" <davidwladd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill, the way you describe does work very nicely.  Another thing I have
> done is using Putty on a PC and telnetting into DW4 into the connection
> that way and then having multiple putty sessions going and just ALT Tabbing
> to each putty session. :D
>
> Hmmm this might make a good walkthrough video at some point :D
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2015, Bill Pierce via Coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> wrote:
>
> > George, the DW4 way I described would work for you, but it involves using
> > Drivewire4. You could monitor as many 'shells' as you like from the PC.
> >
> > You could even do this from your startup by creating all the PC terminals
> > every time you boot... Let's say you wanted 2 terminals open running
> their
> > own shells:
> >
> > -- startup stuff --
> > shell i=/z1&
> > shell i=/z2&
> > -- rest of startup stuff --
> >
> > Using this, as soon as you boot up, 2 terminal windows will appear on
> your
> > PC in 80x24 text. You can run most any text based application from these
> > windows just as if you are sitting at the Coco (no graphics).
> > Of course, this is using DW4, but it's also faster than a regular serial
> > port connection as it's running 115kb!
> >
> > From these windows, you can even mount DSKs and VHDs directly into DW4
> > without bringing up the DW4 server GUI, but that's another story for
> > another time :-)
> > DW4 offers all you are asking and much more. A lot of people don't use
> DW4
> > because they don't want their Coco 'tethered' to a PC, but you're doing
> > that anyway, so why not DW4? And all it takes is a modified serial cable
> > which you'll be running for the serial connection anyway.
> >
> > If what you are trying to do is monitor your external Coco experiments,
> > this would be perfect for that! Any text based cmd can be run from these
> > windows.. even TSEdit. I think there's a list on the DW4 wiki of what
> > control codes it supports, if not, I'm sure Aaron could tell you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Pierce
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George Ramsower <georgera at gvtc.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: coco <coco at maltedmedia.com <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2015 2:45 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] more that one shell from an external terminal(update)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/18/2015 2:31 AM, Bill Pierce via Coco wrote:
> >
> >   Big <snip> here....
> > >
> > >
> > In this experiment (which again, was DW4 based), I could find no way to
> > create a
> > shell from a terminal and then switch to it. Someone with a little more
> > knowledge may know a trick or two that I don't (many do) and may be able
> > to do
> > this, but I saw no way to be able to send the proper control codes for it
> > to
> > switch and the terminal had no way of knowing any different. As stated
> > above, I
> > did get 4 individual terminals going and could switch between them on the
> > PC,
> > with all 4 showing at once.
> > >
> > >
> > > And.... I had a lot of fun trying... :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > I was thinking on this last night....
> >
> >   For one thing, we would not be creating
> > a shell. They should already
> > be created, just like windows (w1, w2,<etc>).  The
> > shells for those
> > windows are already there. The window is just waiting for an
> > input,
> > AFTER a person begins using the keyboard, once selecting that window. I
> >
> > expect changing to another port descriptor might be the same. Again,
> > just
> > guessing here. But how would this be done? And how the heck could a
> > port
> > descriptor be changed or how to change to a different shell.... oh,
> > this gets
> > confusing. It seems the answer would be in the way OS9 does it
> > for the
> > keyboard.... another shell on that same keyboard.
> >   A detailed knowledge of OS9
> > and it's inner workings would be very
> > helpful here.
> >   I'm guessing here. I
> > suppose these shells would be assigned to that
> > com port such as /t2 or some
> > such.. maybe.
> >   I haven't tried this or experimented with it in the past...
> > never
> > thought about doing this until just the other day when working at the
> >
> > "term" on the coco is becoming so painful. With a bad back and the
> >
> > uncomfortable seating in that room, an alternative would be really nice.
> >
> > Otherwise, I need to make some serious changes in that room which I call
> > the
> > "Darkroom" as it was originally set up to be for photo processing. I
> > haven't
> > done film for over five years now and it looks like that is
> > going to be history
> > now.
> >
> >   So... I can still use this PC through a com port on the coco and it is
> >
> > a lot more comfortable to use it this way.
> >   But this idea of switching shells
> > from a remote terminal seems like a
> > great possibility, if it can be done. I'm
> > not thoroughly convinced it is
> > possible but what a great thing if it can be
> > done!! This would save me a
> > lot of foot work and pain.
> >   On that coco, I'm
> > constantly switching from one window to another
> > while working with or even
> > developing another process with Basic09.
> > Basic09 is my "dream app". With that
> > and the hardware I have, anything
> > is possible.
> >   See my limited information on
> > this at
> > http://coco.thetinbox.com/CNCCoco.html.
> >   That's only ONE example of
> > what can be done. Right now, I'm using
> > those same ports to monitor old
> > mechanical clocks, using switches on the
> > clock for reading from the coco. One
> > homemade clock is only a pendulum
> > right now but the coco is monitoring it for
> > accuracy. Eventually it will
> > morph into a battery operated, pendulum clock that
> > uses the pendulum
> > solely for the purpose of controlling the clock
> > movement.
> >
> > Dangit!! The pain pills are starting to do their job now and I'm
> >
> > beginning to ramble on...
> >
> > "Looking for less painful ways to do
> > things"....
> > George R.
> >
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