[Coco] OS-9 loading NEW WAY

Wed Apr 22 23:52:24 EDT 2015

Brett, I was messing with Cocoboot2 earlier today. My main problem with Cocoboot2 right now is that everything on your download page is for the SDC.
I have no SDC so I couldn't even boot into OS9 and see what you had done.
I boot from DW4 as I have no working drives at the moment except my Glenside IDE. HDBDOS is in rom so it's looking for my DW vhd...

I can boot NitrOS9 from floppy or dw4 in VCC.

I just found your "Help" page so that may get me going. I'll let ya know if I get it booted.

Bill Pierce
"Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens

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-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Gordon <beretta42 at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 22, 2015 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] OS-9 loading NEW WAY

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Bill Pierce via Coco
<coco at maltedmedia.com>
wrote:
>
> Boisy,
> Personally, I wouldn't care if OS9 didn't reboot on reset,
but I know maybe others would.
> Since I use HDBDOS and make use of the
'AUTOEXEC/BAS' function, my Coco 3 boots into NitrOS9 anyway (after 15 sec with
no entry) , so if the roms "reinitiate" on reset, then I'll boot back anyway
:-)
>
> Yes, Brett's "Forth" loader pretty much intimidated me as well. I know
nothing at all of Forth.
> I think I'll give Cocoboot a shot later today to see
how he goes about it.
>

No worried, Bill, You don't have to know any Forth with
CoCoBoot2...
it's all hidden from the user, and everything's menu driven.  I
know
forth scared the ga-geebs out of people with CoCoBoot1.

> Bill Pierce
>
"Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>
>
> My Music from the
Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>
https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for
CocoPedia
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boisy Pitre
<coco at toughmac.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
<coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Cc: Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> Sent: Wed,
Apr 22, 2015 4:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [Coco] OS-9 loading NEW WAY
>
>
> Parts of
REL and specifically, BOOT, are kept around in RAM so that when you hit the
Reset button on the back of the CoCo, you get back to the “NITROS9 BOOT”
screen.
>
>
>
> If we wanted to forego having that and just go back to BASIC
when hitting the Reset button, REL and BOOT’s memory could be
reclaimed.
>
>
>
>
> The last time I saw Brett’s CoCoBoot, it was noticeably
slower than the REL/BOOT combo. And I don’t mean that as a criticism to Brett’s
great work at all. That’s just the nature of using a Forth interpreter on the
CoCo.
>
>
>
>
> I’ve always envisioned a modular boot structure that could
incorporate a low level console driver (either CoCo 3 40/80 column, VDG or even
serial I/O) and a series of booters for different devices that could fit inside
of either the 4608 byte boot track or an 8K ROM.
>
>
>
>
>
> —
>
> Boisy G.
Pitre
>
> CoCo Projects Coordinator
>
>       http://www.cloud9tech.com
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>
http://      www.nitros9.org
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>      
http://sourceforge.net/projects/drivewireserver/
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>      
http://sourceforge.net/projects/toolshed
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>      
http://http://liber809.blogspot.com
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>      
http://github.com/boisy/DriveWire-MacServer
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>
>
> On Apr 22, 2015, at
4:00 PM, Bill Pierce via Coco <     coco at maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Are any
of the system modules 'expected' to be at any address in particular?
> I guess
what I'm getting at is, if rel/boot are removed, everything moves down a notch
in memory, so is there anything that would affect (address wize)?
> If after the
boottrack loads and initiates the system, why can't they (rel/boot) just be
forgotten (overwritten)?
>
> If rel copies the entire boottrack from $2600 to
$ED00 (according to the manual), then why not have rel only copy krn to it's new
location. Then krn, which calls boot, would have to call boot from it's original
position in the $2600-$3800 area. Once boot is done with loading OS9Boot and
setting up it's pointers, it returns to krn and at that point, rel & boot could
be forgotten.
>
> I know it's not as simple as that, and calls would have to be
shifted and modified, but releasing just those 2 modules would return almost 3
256-byte pages to system ram.
>
> Then if krn & krnp2 could be combined (as Gene
suggested), I would imaging that would compact things a little more. The problem
here is that krn is called before boot which loads OS9Boot, so krn has to
already be in place for boot to use to allocate memory for OS9Boot.
hmmmmm....
>
> Or, write a new krnp2 that includes the parts of krn that are
needed for normal system use (after booting), and leave the old krn in the
$2600/$3800 area. Then rel becomes obsolete (no files to relocate), krn execs,
calls boot, boot loads OS9Boot, sets the ponters, and jumps to krnp2. The whole
boottrack is then eliminated from system ram. That releases quite a few pages of
system ram.
>
> Again, I know it's not that simple, but is as simple as I can
explain it (if that makes any sense).
>
> It all reminds me of the way L2 uses
SysGo as opposed to L1. In L1, it resides in the bootfile and remains in memory
(why?), in L2, it's loaded, then discarded when it's done it's job. Rel & boot
are one-trick-ponies and should be treated this way as well. I've always
wondered why Microware did it the way it was done.
>
> I haven't looked at the
src to Cocoboot, so it may be doing something similar already.
>
>
> Bill
Pierce
> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>
>
> My Music from
the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>     
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Heskett
<gheskett at wdtv.com>
> To: coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 22, 2015
2:24 pm
> Subject: Re: [Coco] OS-9 loading NEW WAY
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