[Coco] Nitros9 boot fails with HDB DOS in rompak

Thu Oct 10 10:01:53 EDT 2013

try to boot a regular dw image not this KQ one.

Does it show any error after the C ? It should print a letter.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Charlie Pelosi <chaspelosi at outlook.com>wrote:

> Actually the FD502 controller has a 28 pin socket, no need for an adapter.
> Also, as far as I know, all the later rompaks for coco3 have a 28 pin chip
> soldered to the PCB.
> Super Pitfall, Shanghai, Football II and others...
>
>
> ------------------------------**--------------------
> From: <chawks at dls.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:24 AM
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Nitros9 boot fails with HDB DOS in rompak
>
>
>>
>> On Thu 10/10/13  8:01 AM , Charlie Pelosi chaspelosi at outlook.com sent:
>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>> You can use your HDB-DOS rompak (no MPI) and boot The King's Quest 1 disk
>>> image? (Any Nitros9 image really)
>>> Mine seems to work fine too, until I try to boot a Nitros9 image.
>>>
>>> 27C64 is what I am using. Typing tutor is an older rompak? The ones I'm
>>> using are coco 3 specific. All the older rompaks I open have a black blob
>>> on the PCB and not a 28 pin chip. I'm not sure of any other roms paks
>>> besides
>>> the later ones that have a 28 pin chip.
>>>
>>
>>    That's a good trick! The only ROMs I've seen in an official Tandy/RS
>> ROMPAK
>> are _24_ pin!
>> (and so are ALL the disk controllers) See the "Color Computer Technical
>> Reference
>> Manual".
>> Are you using an adapter or jumper wires (or a 24 pin 4k ROM)??
>>
>>
>>  I am not using an MPI or the disk controller and rompak together. I
>>> remove
>>> the rom from the rompak place it in the fd502 rom socket and then use the
>>> fd502 controller with the coco. Then it works. When I say works, I mean
>>> does not fail when booting Nitros9. Like KQ1 and arcadepack. Otherwise
>>> the
>>> rompak does work using rsdos.
>>>
>>> maybe something about the way these particular rompaks (later coco3 ones)
>>> are that keep Nitros9 from booting.
>>> After the C on the boot screen, the screen should switch to the
>>> "Welcome to Nitros9...." screen but that never happens. Something about
>>> the rompak
>>> is preventing that from happening.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------**--------------------
>>> From: "Retro Canada"  canada76 at gmail.com>Sent: Thursday, October 10,
>>> 2013 8:32 AM
>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts"  tedmedia.com>Cc:
>>> "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts"  tedmedia.com>Subject: Re:
>>> [Coco] Nitros9 boot fails with HDB DOS in rompak
>>>
>>> > i do have a rompak with hdbdos and it works
>>> fine. it uses a 27C64 and was > the typing tutor.
>>> >
>>> > do you have an mpi? how do you put the fd502 and
>>> the rompak together ?>
>>> > you can replace the fd502 rom as well to
>>> hdbdos.>
>>> > using a mpi the fdc must be on the selected
>>> slot. so if you boot from > rompak slot you later either switch the
>>> button
>>> to the slot 4 or perform a > poke &hff7f,51
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2013-10-10, at 8:09 AM, Charlie Pelosi  losi at outlook.com> wrote:>
>>> > When I LOADM RSDOS games they are DSK images.
>>> DW4 has HDBDOS translation > enabled. (It turns that off automatically
>>> when
>>> the Nitros9 DSK images are > mounted).
>>> >
>>> > I found my cassette cable with my MC-10 so I'm
>>> going to try to cloadm the > HDBDW3CC3.WAV from my ipod after work
>>> today.> I am guessing this will work because everything
>>> points to the physical > rompaks.
>>> >
>>> > When I installed the sockets in the game rompaks
>>> (one was Football II the > other was Super Pitfall) I checked continuity
>>> from the socket to the card > edge for every pin.
>>> > I will recheck them again tonight, maybe I broke
>>> a solder joint or > something.
>>> >
>>> > I wonder if anyone has done the same and can
>>> confirm it working? Anyone > else use a game rompak PCB the same
>>> way?> Or are they using a different board in a rompak?
>>> Didn't cloud-9 used to > sell a HDB-DOS rompak? Was that as simple as
>>> this PCB?>
>>> > The game PCB is very simple. There are no parts
>>> to it. Just a board with > traces and one resistor (I think) next to the
>>> game rom.> I wonder if something on the PCB needs to be
>>> modified because the rompak > itself can only be whats causing
>>> it...> I shouldn't say that until I try to tape load
>>> HDB-DOS tonight. :)>
>>> > Still, three 512K coco3's, Rom, Drivewire,
>>> works with a FD502 disk > controller in place of the rompak. It only
>>> doesn't work when the rompak is > inserted.
>>> > Maybe the way the games pcb is "wired"
>>> maybe a trace or 2 needs to be > cut.... hoping someone knows...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ------------------------------**--------------------> From: "Bill
>>> Pierce" pasooo at aol.com>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 11:58
>>> PM> To:  tedmedia.com>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and
>>> DW>
>>> >>
>>> >> Charlie,
>>> >> When you run RSDOS games, do you load them
>>> from a dsk image indw or a vhd >> image in dw?
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill Pierce
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Charlie Pelosi  eenhad at hotmail.com>>> To: coco list >>
>>> tedmedia.com>>> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:55 pm
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and
>>> DW>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, newest version of dw4. Downloaded it
>>> today and checked update. All >> good.
>>> >>
>>> >> Also remember, the rom and DW work fine when
>>> its in a disk controller.>>
>>> >> Wouldn'tthat rule out DW?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from Windows Mail
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Aaron Wolfe
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October
>>> 9, 2013 11:52 PM>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer
>>> Enthusiasts>>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Charlie
>>> Pelosi  losi at outlook.com> >> wrote:
>>> >>> Hi Aaron. I have three 512K coco3's here
>>> all act the same. So it can't >>> be
>>> >>> the computer. And DW works fine if the
>>> disk controller is in.>>> So it must be something with the ROMPAK
>>> and or the ROM I am using. Can>>> someone point me at the exactly .rom
>>> file I should burn ?>>
>>> >> It really should not matter what ROM you are
>>> using as long as its a>> "standard" one..  any DW3 ROM sold
>>> by Cloud 9 or provided on their>> website is fine.  You could also use
>>> the
>>> open source version from the>> Toolshed project, but it has to be one of
>>> the "hdbdw3ccX" flavors,>> *not* the ones labeled "hdbdw4ccX"
>>> (assuming the sierra disks are>> still using the stock os9 drivers and
>>> not
>>> the "turbo" flavors, which>> should be true).
>>> >>
>>> >>> I think the versions I've tried where
>>> HDB-DOS 1.4 DW3 coco 3 and the >>> same
>>> >>> 1.2 that I got years ago from
>>> Boisy.>>
>>> >> As long as the bootup message says
>>> "DW3" I think you are fine.  All>> the ROM does is load the boot track,
>>> after
>>> all.  It is not used at all>> once OS9 starts booting.
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When I soldered in the socket, it was a
>>> Football II cart, I simply>>> unsoldered the game chip and soldered in
>>> the socket.>>> Nothing else. I don't think any
>>> soldering is bad because I have two of >>> these
>>> >>> and they both do the same.
>>> >>
>>> >> You're probably right, I can't imagine it
>>> being a soldering or socket >> issue.
>>> >>
>>> >> One question, are you sure you're using the
>>> latest DW4 server?  It>> should report "4.3.3p" when you
>>> enter 'dw server status' in the>> command box at the bottom of the gui.
>>> If it
>>> does not, please select>> "Check for new version" from the
>>> tools menu and update.>>
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> ------------------------------**-------------------->>> From: "Aaron
>>> Wolfe"
>>>
>> il.com>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:01
>>
>>> PM>>>
>>> >>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer
>>> Enthusiasts"  tedmedia.com>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and
>>> DW>>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:28 PM,
>>> Charlie Pelosi  losi at outlook.com>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I'm having trouble emailing the
>>> list I think because my reply address >>>>> for
>>> >>>>> my Microsoft account is a
>>> different alias than the primary I have >>>>> subscribed
>>> >>>>> to the list...
>>> >>>>> Hello.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I am trying to play The King's
>>> Quest games with a coco3 and >>>>> drivewire4.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I downloaded KingsQuest1_dw.dsk
>>> from http://www.nitros9.org/latest/**>>>>> I have a rompak in a COCO3
>>> that
>>> has HDB-DOS 1.4 DW3 COCO 3 (Ive tried >>>>> 1.2
>>> >>>>> also)
>>> >>>>> I am using the very latest DW4
>>> in Windows.>>>>>
>>> >>>>> When I mount the
>>> KingsQuest1_dw.dsk in drive 0 and type DOS to start>>>>> Nitros9 starts
>>> to
>>> boot.>>>>> When it gets to i2xoC and then
>>> the coco just hangs sitting there >>>>> forever
>>> >>>>> doing nothing.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Any ideas on what is wrong or
>>> how to get this to work?>>>>>
>>> >>>>> I tried to send the above
>>> earlier and it didn't work. But that worked >>>>> out
>>> >>>>> because in the meantime I
>>> discovered something.>>>>>
>>> >>>>> If I move the rom chip to an
>>> actual FD502 controller the boot gets >>>>> past
>>> >>>>> i2xoC and the game
>>> starts.>>>>> So I would guess because Nitros9
>>> is loading a driver or looking for >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> disk hardware.
>>> >>>>> So is there a version that
>>> doesn't do that so that people loading from >>>>> a
>>> >>>>> simple rompak or even tape can
>>> boot these games with DW and enjoy >>>>> them?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The version you have is not intended
>>> to require a disk controller.>>>> Last time I played it, it worked
>>> here with just a CoCo 3 and DW3 rom>>>> in a rompak, no additional
>>> hardware.
>>>  That was a while back, it is>>>> possible some bug has been
>>> introduced.  However, Bill is not seeing a>>>> problem currently.  I
>>> don't have
>>> things set up to test at the moment>>>> but I think it is possible the
>>> need
>>> for a disk controller on your>>>> system is a side effect of some
>>> other problem.  It is definitely not>>>> by design.
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