[Coco] Nitros9 boot fails with HDB DOS in rompak

Thu Oct 10 09:47:05 EDT 2013

Actually the FD502 controller has a 28 pin socket, no need for an adapter.
Also, as far as I know, all the later rompaks for coco3 have a 28 pin chip 
soldered to the PCB.
Super Pitfall, Shanghai, Football II and others...

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From: <chawks at dls.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:24 AM
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Nitros9 boot fails with HDB DOS in rompak

>
>
> On Thu 10/10/13  8:01 AM , Charlie Pelosi chaspelosi at outlook.com sent:
>> Thanks for the reply.
>> You can use your HDB-DOS rompak (no MPI) and boot The King's Quest 1 disk
>> image? (Any Nitros9 image really)
>> Mine seems to work fine too, until I try to boot a Nitros9 image.
>>
>> 27C64 is what I am using. Typing tutor is an older rompak? The ones I'm
>> using are coco 3 specific. All the older rompaks I open have a black blob
>> on the PCB and not a 28 pin chip. I'm not sure of any other roms paks 
>> besides
>> the later ones that have a 28 pin chip.
>
>    That's a good trick! The only ROMs I've seen in an official Tandy/RS 
> ROMPAK
> are _24_ pin!
> (and so are ALL the disk controllers) See the "Color Computer Technical 
> Reference
> Manual".
> Are you using an adapter or jumper wires (or a 24 pin 4k ROM)??
>
>
>> I am not using an MPI or the disk controller and rompak together. I 
>> remove
>> the rom from the rompak place it in the fd502 rom socket and then use the
>> fd502 controller with the coco. Then it works. When I say works, I mean
>> does not fail when booting Nitros9. Like KQ1 and arcadepack. Otherwise 
>> the
>> rompak does work using rsdos.
>>
>> maybe something about the way these particular rompaks (later coco3 ones)
>> are that keep Nitros9 from booting.
>> After the C on the boot screen, the screen should switch to the
>> "Welcome to Nitros9...." screen but that never happens. Something about 
>> the rompak
>> is preventing that from happening.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Retro Canada"  canada76 at gmail.com>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 
>> 8:32 AM
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts"  tedmedia.com>Cc: "CoCoList 
>> for Color Computer Enthusiasts"  tedmedia.com>Subject: Re: [Coco] Nitros9 
>> boot fails with HDB DOS in rompak
>>
>> > i do have a rompak with hdbdos and it works
>> fine. it uses a 27C64 and was > the typing tutor.
>> >
>> > do you have an mpi? how do you put the fd502 and
>> the rompak together ?>
>> > you can replace the fd502 rom as well to
>> hdbdos.>
>> > using a mpi the fdc must be on the selected
>> slot. so if you boot from > rompak slot you later either switch the 
>> button
>> to the slot 4 or perform a > poke &hff7f,51
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2013-10-10, at 8:09 AM, Charlie Pelosi  losi at outlook.com> wrote:>
>> > When I LOADM RSDOS games they are DSK images.
>> DW4 has HDBDOS translation > enabled. (It turns that off automatically 
>> when
>> the Nitros9 DSK images are > mounted).
>> >
>> > I found my cassette cable with my MC-10 so I'm
>> going to try to cloadm the > HDBDW3CC3.WAV from my ipod after work
>> today.> I am guessing this will work because everything
>> points to the physical > rompaks.
>> >
>> > When I installed the sockets in the game rompaks
>> (one was Football II the > other was Super Pitfall) I checked continuity
>> from the socket to the card > edge for every pin.
>> > I will recheck them again tonight, maybe I broke
>> a solder joint or > something.
>> >
>> > I wonder if anyone has done the same and can
>> confirm it working? Anyone > else use a game rompak PCB the same
>> way?> Or are they using a different board in a rompak?
>> Didn't cloud-9 used to > sell a HDB-DOS rompak? Was that as simple as
>> this PCB?>
>> > The game PCB is very simple. There are no parts
>> to it. Just a board with > traces and one resistor (I think) next to the
>> game rom.> I wonder if something on the PCB needs to be
>> modified because the rompak > itself can only be whats causing
>> it...> I shouldn't say that until I try to tape load
>> HDB-DOS tonight. :)>
>> > Still, three 512K coco3's, Rom, Drivewire,
>> works with a FD502 disk > controller in place of the rompak. It only
>> doesn't work when the rompak is > inserted.
>> > Maybe the way the games pcb is "wired"
>> maybe a trace or 2 needs to be > cut.... hoping someone knows...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------------> From: "Bill Pierce" 
>> pasooo at aol.com>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 11:58
>> PM> To:  tedmedia.com>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and
>> DW>
>> >>
>> >> Charlie,
>> >> When you run RSDOS games, do you load them
>> from a dsk image indw or a vhd >> image in dw?
>> >>
>> >> Bill Pierce
>> >> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color
>> Computer 2 & 3>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/>> 
>> Co-Webmaster of
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Charlie Pelosi  eenhad at hotmail.com>>> To: coco list 
>> >> tedmedia.com>>> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:55 pm
>> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and
>> DW>>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, newest version of dw4. Downloaded it
>> today and checked update. All >> good.
>> >>
>> >> Also remember, the rom and DW work fine when
>> its in a disk controller.>>
>> >> Wouldn'tthat rule out DW?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from Windows Mail
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Aaron Wolfe
>> >> Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎October‎
>> ‎9‎, ‎2013 ‎11‎:‎52‎ ‎PM>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer
>> Enthusiasts>>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Charlie
>> Pelosi  losi at outlook.com> >> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Aaron. I have three 512K coco3's here
>> all act the same. So it can't >>> be
>> >>> the computer. And DW works fine if the
>> disk controller is in.>>> So it must be something with the ROMPAK
>> and or the ROM I am using. Can>>> someone point me at the exactly .rom
>> file I should burn ?>>
>> >> It really should not matter what ROM you are
>> using as long as its a>> "standard" one..  any DW3 ROM sold
>> by Cloud 9 or provided on their>> website is fine.  You could also use 
>> the
>> open source version from the>> Toolshed project, but it has to be one of
>> the "hdbdw3ccX" flavors,>> *not* the ones labeled "hdbdw4ccX"
>> (assuming the sierra disks are>> still using the stock os9 drivers and 
>> not
>> the "turbo" flavors, which>> should be true).
>> >>
>> >>> I think the versions I've tried where
>> HDB-DOS 1.4 DW3 coco 3 and the >>> same
>> >>> 1.2 that I got years ago from
>> Boisy.>>
>> >> As long as the bootup message says
>> "DW3" I think you are fine.  All>> the ROM does is load the boot track, 
>> after
>> all.  It is not used at all>> once OS9 starts booting.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> When I soldered in the socket, it was a
>> Football II cart, I simply>>> unsoldered the game chip and soldered in
>> the socket.>>> Nothing else. I don't think any
>> soldering is bad because I have two of >>> these
>> >>> and they both do the same.
>> >>
>> >> You're probably right, I can't imagine it
>> being a soldering or socket >> issue.
>> >>
>> >> One question, are you sure you're using the
>> latest DW4 server?  It>> should report "4.3.3p" when you
>> enter 'dw server status' in the>> command box at the bottom of the gui. 
>> If it
>> does not, please select>> "Check for new version" from the
>> tools menu and update.>>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> -------------------------------------------------->>> From: "Aaron Wolfe"
> il.com>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:01
>> PM>>>
>> >>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer
>> Enthusiasts"  tedmedia.com>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and
>> DW>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:28 PM,
>> Charlie Pelosi  losi at outlook.com>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm having trouble emailing the
>> list I think because my reply address >>>>> for
>> >>>>> my Microsoft account is a
>> different alias than the primary I have >>>>> subscribed
>> >>>>> to the list...
>> >>>>> Hello.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am trying to play The King's
>> Quest games with a coco3 and >>>>> drivewire4.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I downloaded KingsQuest1_dw.dsk
>> from http://www.nitros9.org/latest/>>>>> I have a rompak in a COCO3 that
>> has HDB-DOS 1.4 DW3 COCO 3 (Ive tried >>>>> 1.2
>> >>>>> also)
>> >>>>> I am using the very latest DW4
>> in Windows.>>>>>
>> >>>>> When I mount the
>> KingsQuest1_dw.dsk in drive 0 and type DOS to start>>>>> Nitros9 starts 
>> to
>> boot.>>>>> When it gets to i2xoC and then
>> the coco just hangs sitting there >>>>> forever
>> >>>>> doing nothing.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Any ideas on what is wrong or
>> how to get this to work?>>>>>
>> >>>>> I tried to send the above
>> earlier and it didn't work. But that worked >>>>> out
>> >>>>> because in the meantime I
>> discovered something.>>>>>
>> >>>>> If I move the rom chip to an
>> actual FD502 controller the boot gets >>>>> past
>> >>>>> i2xoC and the game
>> starts.>>>>> So I would guess because Nitros9
>> is loading a driver or looking for >>>>> the
>> >>>>> disk hardware.
>> >>>>> So is there a version that
>> doesn't do that so that people loading from >>>>> a
>> >>>>> simple rompak or even tape can
>> boot these games with DW and enjoy >>>>> them?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The version you have is not intended
>> to require a disk controller.>>>> Last time I played it, it worked
>> here with just a CoCo 3 and DW3 rom>>>> in a rompak, no additional 
>> hardware.
>>  That was a while back, it is>>>> possible some bug has been
>> introduced.  However, Bill is not seeing a>>>> problem currently.  I 
>> don't have
>> things set up to test at the moment>>>> but I think it is possible the 
>> need
>> for a disk controller on your>>>> system is a side effect of some
>> other problem.  It is definitely not>>>> by design.
>> >>>>
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