[Coco] Fest Ideas was Aaron's apology and Coco Contest Results

Tue Apr 30 20:58:08 EDT 2013

I think that the people that actually attend the fest should be given deference in
the auction. At the very least the way it's done has to change. I don't think it's
right to stall the way we did to give ppl online a "chance" to up the bid.

The Other Frank

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 08:37:32PM -0400, John W. Linville wrote:
> I won't try to deny anyone from bidding through a proxy.  But FWIW,
> I would vote against any fundamental changes to the auction format.
> The auction is part of the fun of going to the event, and even the
> proxy bidding this year was enough to suck some of the fun out of it
> by making parts of the auction drag.
> 
> If we need more funds for the CoCoFEST! then put the stuff on eBay.
> If we are getting enough to support the event than keep it live,
> as a perk to draw greater attendance.
> 
> John
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:41:26PM -0400, S Klammer wrote:
> > I (as Rufus21) enjoyed the opportunity that Allen provided to try and
> > acquire an Orch90 and would've loved an MPI (shipping might have been
> > prohibitive).  Although I do hope to be 'physical' next year, I'd like to
> > think that "proxy" bidding could be allowed after the "primary in-house"
> > auction.  Then afterwards, the auction could be expanded to include
> > authorized "proxy" bidding for any duplicates or special items.  At this
> > point, vendors could also be added (via minimum bids) to sell off any
> > remaining stock...
> > 
> > sk
> > On Apr 30, 2013 5:36 PM, "Mike Rowen" <mike at bcmr3.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > One last swing at this dead horse. :) Someone has to ship anything
> > > purchased by proxy and that's yet another burden I don't think should be
> > > placed on the club.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -Mike R
> > >
> > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:21 PM, "Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus)" <
> > > retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Allen made the proxy at the very end of the fest.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is a great way to sell the remaining things. Let's say,
> > > people
> > > > who really attend the fest always have the priority to buy and the
> > > > leftovers could be proxified only for active and known members of the
> > > > community. There won't be bidding, they will pay a full fair price which
> > > is
> > > > better than any evilbay prices.
> > > >
> > > > All the people who besides me also bought with the help of Allen were
> > > known
> > > > ones. Also limiting the quantity of goods per person would avoid hoarders
> > > > and resellers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> A few thoughts about this....
> > > >>
> > > >> First and foremost, I think the primary goal of any internet services
> > > >> must always be to encourage physical attendance to the fest.
> > > >>
> > > >> There is a balance point between extending some of the fun to those
> > > >> who just cannot make it and giving people an excuse not to try their
> > > >> best to attend in person.  If we can find it, the online activities
> > > >> will feed the fest.  However, these same things might degrade the fest
> > > >> or the experience for those who do attend if we are not cautious.
> > > >>
> > > >> There is no doubt the video feed could be improved.  In past years I
> > > >> have done walkarounds and done more with moving the cam to different
> > > >> interesting areas.  This year I simply did not have time to man the
> > > >> post as I would have liked to.
> > > >>
> > > >> I honestly have mixed feelings about the idea of internet bids in the
> > > >> auction.  I am glad that the people who Allen helped to acquire some
> > > >> hardware this year were able to participate because I know they are
> > > >> "real coconuts" who will make great use of the items, and in some
> > > >> cases I personally know these were items they struggled to find in the
> > > >> past.  However, as was mentioned elsewhere, opening bidding to the
> > > >> entire internet could easily attract the same opportunists who control
> > > >> ebay and who have ruined the fun for other platforms.  The auction has
> > > >> always been a unique opportunity for those who make the effort to
> > > >> attend and I think this "perk" is quite valuable.
> > > >>
> > > >> I like Allens idea of accepting bids only from Glenside members.  I
> > > >> think I would take things a step further by specifically not having
> > > >> any official method offered to remote members for casting bids.  This
> > > >> is not to say that internet bids would be forbidden, simply that to
> > > >> bid you must make the arrangements yourself with someone you know at
> > > >> the fest.
> > > >>
> > > >> Well.. just my opinion.  I'll help to provide whatever services are
> > > >> generally agreed upon, just wanted to express some concern.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Aaron
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I wasn't at the fest, but I saw more people in the chatroom than I ever
> > > >> have and all eyes were on the video feed.... ESPECIALLY during the
> > > auctions!
> > > >>> Allen Huffman was grascious enough to make a few "proxy" bids for
> > > people
> > > >> in the chatroom which I thought was awsome! And so did the ones who won
> > > >> their bids. I think a lot of money could be raised in this manner as the
> > > >> Fest is really just too far to travel for many of us with the economy
> > > the
> > > >> way it is.
> > > >>> With this said, I have a few suggestions/requests for next years fest.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Have someone IN the chatroom who's at the fest to relay auction items
> > > >> and bids. There were times the cam came through a little slow and bids
> > > >> would have been way behind if only the cam were used. Also, the sound
> > > was
> > > >> bad if the cam was too far from the auctioneer.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Have a PayPal account set up for immediate payment of items. If payment
> > > >> doesn't come through in due time, item goes back up for auction or to
> > > last
> > > >> bidder before the winner.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Do regular "walk arounds" with the cam during non activity times to let
> > > >> chatroom people see the items for sale. If they are interested, have the
> > > >> vender email or come in chat.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Venders make a website with items listed that will be offered. That
> > > >> would help with knowing what the venders have.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Again, a paypal account would be the way to go for the internet sales.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Have a cam for each room used. There were times the cam was sitting on
> > > >> the table staring at the door and everyone was in the other room. I know
> > > >> this could get a little much, but it's a thought.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> These ideas could raise a lot of money for future fests as well as
> > > >> benifit the vender's pockets :-)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Just some random thoughts...
> > > >>> Bill P
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bill Pierce
> > > >>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> > > >>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> > > >>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
> > > >>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
> > > >>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
> > > >>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> > > >>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Frank Pittel <fwp at deepthought.com>
> > > >>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Mon, Apr 29, 2013 8:28 pm
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Aaron's apology and Coco Contest Results
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Allen,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have to agree that this years fest was unusual. There was an energy
> > > and
> > > >>> excitment I haven't seen since I started going
> > > >>> to the fest. If you look at the posts on the mailing list and
> > > >> conversations on
> > > >>> the coco IRC channel you can see it. There's
> > > >>> new hardware being designed and built as well as new software being
> > > >> written!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The Other Frank
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 07:16:35PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Glen VanDenBiggelaar <
> > > glenvdb at hotmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Aaron, Even though we have never met in person (you or John for that
> > > >>> matter), I was (as you know) watching the live stream as you made the
> > > so
> > > >> called
> > > >>> comment. It appeared to me anyways, that you were making a good natured
> > > >>> "ribbing" toward John, and there is no way anyone who was watching
> > > >> should have
> > > >>> or could have taken it any other way but two old friends needling each
> > > >> other. I
> > > >>> am not sure who took offence to it, other than someone who was telling
> > > >> someone
> > > >>> else about it and no seeing the whole thing in context. I wouldn't
> > > worry
> > > >> to much
> > > >>> about it, you did a fantastic job trying to bring the even to us, who
> > > >> could not
> > > >>> be there. Allen did a great job filling in also. I, for one, want to
> > > >> thank all
> > > >>> the effort it was for you to do what you did at the fest and the side
> > > >> projects-
> > > >>> I, at least, appreciated it, and if someone got bent out of shape for
> > > >> you having
> > > >>> a bit of fun with John, then they need to get a life.
> > > >>>>> -thats my 2 cents (for what its worth).
> > > >>>>> _ again, thanks.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I don't know if there was any offense, but he clarified after I asked
> > > >> him what
> > > >>> the deal was. I was at the show, but I missed whatever inside joke
> > > >> started it
> > > >>> and asked him for some details. Without seeing it in context, and just
> > > >> reading
> > > >>> those words, I figured others might have been confused too. I certainly
> > > >> was
> > > >>> puzzled at why the whole fest started picking on Linville ;-)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This was a weird Fest. I was there, but was learning about stuff going
> > > >> on by
> > > >>> reading the CoCo list or chat room. I missed the last two years, so
> > > >> don't have a
> > > >>> point of reference, but it sure seemed like a ton more happening this
> > > >> year than
> > > >>> many recent ones I did get to. Very neat to see.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I would like to rig my LED sign up to the internet next time so folks
> > > >> in the
> > > >>> chat room can get our attention or send messages if they need to. It
> > > >> might also
> > > >>> be useful for more merchants to have the chatroom loaded so folks who
> > > >> cannot
> > > >>> attend could still contact them about buying their goods.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -
> > > >>>> Allen Huffman - PO Box 22031 - Clive IA 50325 - 515-999-0227(vmail/TXT
> > > only)
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> > > 1990!
> > > >>>> Sent from my MacBook.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 22nd Annual "Last" Chicago CoCoFEST! April 27-28, 2013. Lombard, IL.
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