[Coco] ANNOUNCE: Cloud-9 Website Update

[Aaron Wolfe]

>> But, really, I don't see anything that is a personal attack against you
>> in there.  So, do your own tests, publish them and let the free market
>> do it's thing.
>>
>> I really have no interest in either side, as I can't and won't buy
>> anything.  I don't have hardware that I can use close to me at all.  So
>> this is not a personal attack against you or your product, Roger. (Same
>> can be said about Cloud 9.) Hopefully it's encouragement to get in there
>> and fight harder without 'taking the bait.'
>
> Anytime I say anything competitive or in even the smallest defense about one
> of my products or projects, certain people claim that we're fighting, as if
> fighting only starts when I open MY mouth, but it's ok for the trio to each
> put up unstudied comparison charts and so forth, talk down about parts that

The comparison charts were posted on this list quite some time ago,
and all vendors were encouraged to make any suggestions they had.  The
performance data comes from Brian's excellent forums at
http://coco.randomrodder.com/forum/index.php  and are independently
verified wherever possible by people not involved with the products.

Several suggestions and corrections were made, and these were
included.  I noticed that you have not disagreed with any of the facts
found in comparisons or on the cloud9 website in any of your posts.
If we could keep discussion to strictly the facts about these
products, everyone would benefit.

If you have corrections for any of the items on the comparison charts,
please provide them so these charts can be as accurate as possible.
You may notice there are a few items in the coconet column that I
simply have no idea about, or had to guess, as I could not find any
documentation that explained them.  It would be great to fill these
in.

> my stuff uses, claim that their stuff is the only standard, in the past, and
> in the future.  If I were to put up the same chart first and claim that my
> stuff is the standard, I'd have 3 dudes all over my ass and you know it.
> When does this stuff become fair, anyway?  3 or 4 on 1.  Does it really take
> that many to compete?  Sure it does.   I'm not even trying all that hard to
> compete.  If I were, they'd be in real trouble. :)

It is this type of statement that encourages the behavior our
community obviously dislikes.  There is no need to make silly threats
or claim what would happen "if you really tried".  It's nonsense and
antagonistic.  Provide products which can compete on their own merit,
stick to facts, and this list could be a happier place.

>
> And I'm not against Cloud-9.  I just don't think I should quit what I'm
> doing just so they can be the only ones.  I love the CoCo too much and I
> know too many CoCo users and have a very large customer base to offer stuff
> to.  I'm in this.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that you quit.  I don't think you should
quit either.

>
> But I'm not far away from leaving the mailing list since most of my stuff
> goes ignored, and when I do talk, it gets viewed as a fight.  I'm just tired
> of it.
>

You've been ignored because your posts are simply advertisements for
yourself or clear attempts to draw myself and the Cloud9 guys into an
argument.  We all agreed to ignore your jabs, for the good of the list
and the community, and apparently no one is very interested in your
ads.

> www.colorcomputer.net  is in the works.. a CoCo classifieds site where you
> can list your old or New stuff.  It's only a buy/sell site and the most I
> will have to do is delete spam and review false ad claims.  There is no
> forum, no archives, no chat, no galleries, no videos, no news, no bulletins,
> etc.  I won't do another coco3.com or community base site and I also have a
> no compete agreement.
>

Perhaps of you kept your commercial advertisements to this new site,
and off this list,  things would go smoother.