[Coco] stuff was Re: Microware C Compiler question

Sun Aug 21 23:40:10 EDT 2011

Hi,

Willard, by half time I had begun to suspect that I had reacted incorrectly,
by the 4th quarter I was convinced.

I then had ~ 30 questions which are all MOOT to what I am working on first.

A two Meg CoCo Emulator with a VHD is what I am directing my attention to.

I am building the C Compiler web site with the latest tools that everyone is
expected to use with the files all in the same place used in the same way.

This is in response to Dean's encouragement for me to document the efficient
C Compiler setup I had developed twenty years ago, but now updated to today.

Much of what is suggested to OP's questions on this list is NOT going to be
included! Well, as perhaps old history as I have already started that list.

When I first got the idea for a C compiler site it was to be 95+% words
and ideas, what I have seen from Dean is just a few files and those have
not changed in months so he is busy doing other things.

I do not know if the 13 posts created are sufficient, starting from zero to
90 just today with no prior planning may require starting over at some point
and then asking the old thread be deleted.

> > While I like cc252, I'm not going to shove my mere opinion down anybody
> else's throat.

Sorry, that position is one that so many people have taken that a giant
tangle of bad choices have been made forcing me to gag.

It's CC2xx now and forever for the main stream C compiler usage. Same for
other choices, but the choices will be explained and will be part of a
coherent efficient system that is documented.

The intent is to allow C programmers to concentrate on the programs they are
developing, not the C compiler tool system.

I have lots to do before the set of web pages start to take shape, and I
have like everyone else, many other things to do.

I was going to do this off-line with my word processor generating HTML
pages, but then others helping would be very hard. I hope this is a better
way and will produce a better result.

PMs on the CoCo Forums is a good way to pass ideas to me as well as my main
e-mail address which members of the "[CoCoList for Color Computer
Enthusiasts]" have, or Nani's mailbox can be used.

mailto:a_nani_mouse at mindspring.com

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Willard Goosey" <goosey at virgo.sdc.org>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:03 PM
Subject: [Coco] stuff was Re: Microware C Compiler question

> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 01:49:13PM -0700, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
>> From: "Willard Goosey" <goosey at virgo.sdc.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:03 PM
>
>> OPPS, the current version is cprep19b is it not.
>
> Yep.  19b fixes the array-of-structs bug.
>
>> WHAT??? This should be passed as an option, looking into a memory module
>> is
>> a huge very bad practice.
>
> ccdevice is a data module.  That's what data modules are for.
>
> If we were talking about anything but a data module I'd agree with you.
> IPC by rummaging around in another program's space directly is a very
> bad plan.
>
>> Please do not suggest this for OS-9 at any time, I will get steamed up
>> big
>> time every time.
>
> Well, I like the idea of data modules, but the implemntation is kind of
> weak.  A good data-module editor and/or BASIC-09 support for them would
> have made them a lot more useful.  Also, I've never actually tested
> OS-9's locking and syncronization mechanisms for them.
>
> I'm afraid we have a philosophical disagreement here.  Can we just agree
> to disagree and move on?
>
>> What, do it all. Make it simple for everyone!!!
>
> The problem is that there are several different cc2's floating around,
> with different incompatible option lists.  Making one uber-cc2 that is
> compatible with all of them would be pretty much impossible.
>
> While I like cc252, I'm not going to shove my mere opinion down anybody
> else's throat.
>
>> I am in the process of moving that information into preliminary pages for
>> the C Compiler web pages.
>>
>> Please help, the first two quotes are from you.
>
> Alright, I'll look it over and see what's needed.
>>
>> DED is the last tool I would suggest, it requires way too much knowledge.
>
>>HUH, I know none that fit that description and my memory goes back to ~
>>1970!?
>
> DED's as good as anything I've used under MSDOS or UNIX.
>
> Willard
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