[arg_discuss] ***POSSIBLE SPAM*** Re: Casual/Hardcore

[Kristian Leth Fiktion]

I think it's a very interesting challenge. We're actually working with three different player profiles. Hardcore, Adventure and Casual. Our Casual players are the players who only drop by every once in a while to see a cool clip or get a whiff of the experience, while the Adventure players are in it for the story, read all the blogs but rarely crack a difficult code.

The funny thing is that the hardcore users are actually the ones who propel the puzzle solving part of the game, while the majority watches or throws in an idea every once in a while.

I think we have to create content for all layers. Since the Casual users (the ones that only drop by once or every once in a while) by far outnumber the Hardcore and even the Adventure players, we could tap into a much larger audience if we also have content that is readily accessible (think youtube clips and standalone web 2.0 items) and makes them come back for more.


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Fra: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] På vegne af Patrick O'Luanaigh
Sendt: 11. februar 2008 15:36
Til: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Emne: ***POSSIBLE SPAM*** Re: [arg_discuss] Casual/Hardcore

I'm thinking of the 5-10% of players who get so into the ARG that they
constantly want more to do. It appears that many players seem happy to spend
a few hours each week solving puzzles and finding out what happens next in
the story, whereas some players want to play almost non-stop, and get
frustrated when they have to wait a few days for something new to happen (as
seems to have been a problem with Majestic?)

So I guess what I'm proposing is to create an additional track of
longer-duration challenges for players that want extra stuff to do, whilst
keeping a track which only requires a few hours each week for the casual
players. The casual players are happy, and the "hardcore" players are happy.
What the casual players experience is the key puzzles and story, whereas
players that want more can play for considerably longer each week doing
additional harder puzzles that are designed to take more time...

Patrick


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From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Clark
Sent: 11 February 2008 14:19
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] Casual/Hardcore

Why would you want the activities of the "hardcore thread" from the casual
players? Are you talking about just using that to "dumb down" the main
experience? Are you talking just about puzzle difficulty?

I guess I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "hardcore". I think there are
always ways to give a little extra to "fans" (who might notice more of the
nuance).

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick O'Luanaigh
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:37 AM
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: [arg_discuss] Casual/Hardcore

One thing that has been playing on my mind recently is the casual/hardcore
problem, and appealing to both kinds of player at the same time.

This led to the idea of a 'hardcore thread' running in parallel to the main
ARG that gives committed players additional longer-term puzzles and things
to do that require more time commitment, but which casual players never see.

So I'm thinking of specifically giving players the choice of becoming an
'ultra-player' (placeholder terminology!) which means that they get sent
additional puzzles that spin off from the main story and give them something
extra, but aren't key to the main story progression. If players find this
too much, they can revert to being a normal player at any point, which
doesn't include these extra hardcore elements.

Any thoughts? I'm sure this must have been done before, and I wonder whether
this is a good way of giving extra content to hardcore gamers, or whether I
risk splitting the community and devaluing the 'casual' path...

Patrick




-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Clark
Sent: 11 February 2008 12:26
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] Introduction - Elan Lee


> Just signed up and wanted to introduce myself ... ARGs have

> been a central part of my life for the last..well, since

> they could really be a central part of anything.


Are you late to every party, Mr. Lee? A Mr. Elan-Come-Lately with gummi bear
distractions? Nice to have an "ex-dirty marketer" in the mix, wish you had
been around for the Majestic dissection last month (feel free to bump the
thread, buddy, I think your thoughts would be fascinating.)



Brian





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