[arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

[Adrien Marie]

Hi,,

I am a newbie on this SIG but I m highly motivated as I ve started to
read the whitepaper you spoke 14 months ago now while I was sailling
to France.
I though that doing an aRG in Central pArk, NYC for the release of the
next Alone In the Dark would be a wicked idea !
I am currently working on the devellopment of a new game for the
iPhone but I would be happy to help this SIG, keep me in touch !
Best
Aj Marie

2008/4/26, Colin McNee <colinmcnee at yahoo.com>:

> Hi everyone,

>  Great Idea, Christy.

>  Just my two cents here as someone who has recently

>  been trying to acquaint myself with the ARG world

>  starting from scratch: I loved the whitepaper, it was

>  extremely helpful, especially the bibliography. I'm a

>  bit of an academic nerd and when it comes to research,

>  a good bib is a gold mine. That being said, it would

>  have been nice to have an annotated bib available as a

>  starting point. I wasn't able to find anything of the

>  sort and have been arduously sifting through the

>  information available on the internet and have been

>  taking a few notes. I'd certainly be willing to offer

>  up my thoughts on anything I've read as a way of

>  building this.

>  It would also be nice if we could provide links to pdf

>  files of the articles wherever possible.

>

>  Colin

>

>

>  --- varin <varineq at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>  > I think a website like this is a good idea. It would

>  > be nice to be

>  > able to have some control over the organization of

>  > information.  I'd

>  > be willing to help out, just let me know when things

>  > get rolling.

>  >

>  > oh, but www.IGDAARGSIG.org might be a little hard to

>  > remember ;P

>  >

>  > Michelle Senderhauf

>  >

>  > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Christy Dena

>  > <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com> wrote:

>  > > Hey everyone,

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  Just a thought about a possible way forward for

>  > the ARG SIG.

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  I, like many others on this list, would love to

>  > see ARGs as they are better

>  > >  understood, as well as see ARGs develop in ways

>  > unimagined. One of the

>  > >  continuing issues we've all spoken about many

>  > times on this list and

>  > >  elsewhere, are public descriptions of ARGs, the

>  > wikipedia entry, ARG SIG

>  > >  blog, ARG SIG whitepaper and so on. There has

>  > been some criticism (from

>  > >  within and outside of the ARG community) of the

>  > whitepaper and wikipedia

>  > >  entry - two high profile sources of information

>  > about ARGs.

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  It seems to me that the reason both of these

>  > sources fail in some regards is

>  > >  in their inappropriately comprehensive nature. In

>  > other words, the

>  > >  whitepaper and wikipedia entry are trying to be

>  > too many things. What is

>  > >  great about the whitepaper is that it brings

>  > together the various interests

>  > >  and expertise of this ARG SIG. It is in some ways

>  > a mission statement for

>  > >  all the possible initiatives the ARG SIG can

>  > achieve: descriptions of ARGs,

>  > >  antecedents of ARGs, history of ARGs, types of

>  > ARGs, ARG design techniques,

>  > >  economic models, ARGs in education & training,

>  > ARG research and so on. We

>  > >  just need to address these separately, in the

>  > right place(s).

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  It seems too that the ARG SIG blog and wikipedia

>  > have other obstacles too -

>  > >  including lack of control over design and content

>  > (the wikipedia entry is

>  > >  riddled with vanity spam). What if we got our own

>  > URL, like

>  > >  www.IGDAARGSIG.org or whatever, and created our

>  > own quality-controlled

>  > >  portal?

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  I'm thinking of a site that provides descriptions

>  > on ARGs for artists,

>  > >  producers and the press; has links to ARG

>  > resources & information on design

>  > >  & economic modes as well as a much needed listing

>  > of the all the developers

>  > >  working in the area. Examples of related sites on

>  > design are IPerG

>  > >  (Integrated Project on Pervasive Gaming) website:

>  > http://www.iperg.org/ and

>  > >  Gamasutra: http://www.gamasutra.com

>  > <http://www.gamasutra.com/>  and what

>  > >  about Play Finland: http://www.playfinland.fi/ as

>  > an example of a portal

>  > >  that promotes developers & their games? Also,

>  > considering many people have

>  > >  important resources on their own sites, it would

>  > beneficial to provide links

>  > >  to sites rather than insisting all info be housed

>  > in the one place, and

>  > >  anonymously.

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  Irrespective of whether a new portal is a way

>  > forward, another issue is

>  > >  getting initiatives happening. I want to see more

>  > articles about design for

>  > >  instance! It seems that asking people to

>  > volunteer to do things hasn't

>  > >  worked so well in the past. What about a Driver &

>  > Poke model? Yes, I just

>  > >  made that up. People volunteer to be Drivers of

>  > certain initiative (and

>  > >  rotate amongst each other so no single person is

>  > doing it the whole time).

>  > >  Those Drivers call for volunteers to do things

>  > but also directly Poke, or

>  > >  request an article or something from people they

>  > feel will provide a helpful

>  > >  contribution?

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  And then information such as the history, design

>  > techniques and research

>  > >  into ARGs can be encouraged and find their proper

>  > home, and the whitepaper

>  > >  and wiki entry can go back to doing their job.

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  Over to youse all to add ideas, alter ideas or

>  > blow raspberries. :-)

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >  Best,

>  > >

>  > >  Christy

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

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>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

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