[arg_discuss] ARG SIG Chat May 22nd Log plus summary

[despain at quantumcontent.com]

There are several extensions etc. that will do an rss feed or even send an
email when a section is updated. However, they're all (as far as I can
tell) set up for a later version of wiki software than what IGDA currently
has installed.

Jason has been asked about upgrading the software. No word back from him
yet. I suspect he's trying to coordinate it with various other software
upgrades they've got going on.

I'll let you know if/when I hear anything from Jason.

Wendy Despain
quantumcontent.com


>

> Re the call for an ARG wiki feed (in the online last meeting). I couldn't

> find something that could aggregate our whole section, but found one that

> could do a feed per article (page):

>

> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiArticleFeeds

>

> Best,

> Christy

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]

> On

> Behalf Of Adam Martin

> Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2007 05:39

> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG

> Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG Chat May 22nd Log plus summary

>

> Thanks to everyone who turned up for our second ARG SIG chat on IRC last

> week.

>

> In the end, the chat went from 5pm to 6:45 (GMT) - almost two hours. I

> hope you all enjoyed it!

>

> Next chat will be in approximately 3 weeks time, details TBA.

>

> Major topics:

>

> GDC

>

>  - Summary of the ARG SIG meet up we had at the 2007 GDC (Game

> Developers Conference) in San Francisco in March...

>  - We had approximately 15-20 people turn up to the event, which was great

>  - A good mix of people, both PM's and non-PM's, from educators and

> researchers to commercial and professionals

>

> Wiki

>

>  - we're not using it enough: "<amartin> I'd like to ask everyone here

> to consider adding *something* to the wiki before the next IRC chat -

> especailly if you just have half the info, create a page with the info

> you have, and others can help flesh it out"

>  - Wendy, Andres, and John all volunteered to add something to the

> Wiki (we look forward to seeing what you add :))

>  - Evan went ahead and started a TODO page on the wiki, whilst we were

> still in IRC :) - http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/To_Do

>  - please post to the list if you add anything to the wiki so that

> other people can help flesh-out your ideas...

>  - ...we're looking into getting RSS for just our part of the wiki,

> but not sure it will be possible. Wendy and Adam are asking about it

>  - reminder: main wiki page is:

> http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Alternate_Reality_Games_SIG

>

> 2007 Whitepaper

>

>  - we did a whitepaper last year (available on the wiki), but it was

> imperfect in many ways, and we underestimated the effort and time

> needed to get it right. We need to make sure we have enough of both

> before we consider doing another one

>  - whoever leads the whitepaper effort will have to start by deciding

> what the precise format will be and how it will be put together (one

> big paper, lots of smaller papers, etc)

>  - it takes between 1 and 10 hours a week, every week (starts off

> small, gets much bigger towards the end), for several months to get

> the whitepaper done

>  - the work can be split between multiple people, but people HAVE to

> be able to commit up-front the time to do their part, and to do their

> bits on-time, or it all falls down

>  - some discussion of topics and details of volunteering in the

> chat-log - please read through if you're interested in participating

> in this; a couple of people have said they'd have some time to do it,

> but they'll probably need some more people to help them

>

> Leadership Council position

>

>  - if you have a burning desire to become a council member...email

> arg_sig @ igda.org with some info saying how much time you can commit

> to it, and what you would hope to do.

>  - the main issue is you need to be able to guarantee your time fairly

> regularly to deal with all the things that come up

>  - we have only two people who spoke to me about doing this, and if

> no-one else comes forward, we'll appoint someone ASAP

>

>

> Adam

>

>

> Full log attached, and copy/pasted below. I'm afraid my logfile didn't

> preserve the timestamps on copy/paste.

>

> ---------------------

> 	<amartin>	while we wait, would everyone like to do a brief

> self-introduction?

> 	<AndresQ>	I'm Andres from Argentina, I run an small advergames

> and

> digital entertainment company and we're trying to set up the very

> first ARG here

> 	<AndresQ>	we also developed Greg, a Sample ARG (soon to be

> posted on

> IGDA site :P)

> 	-->|	JohnEvans (JohnEvans at chat-solu-4D154D16.dyn.optonline.net)

> has

> joined #arg_sig

> 	<mysteryjones>	Sure, for the record my name's Evan Jones, owner of

> Stitch Media (a production company that integrates interactivity into

> 'traditional' media). I've been involved with the SIG since its first

> days as I have pm'd ReGenesis and Fallen.

> 	<amartin>	I'm Adam Martin, I'm the current chair of the SIG. I

> used

> to be the CTO at Mind Candy, and spent a year and a half making

> Perplex City. I'm now running a small dev studio for a large online

> games / MMOG publisher

> 	<amartin>	JohnEvans: we're doing introductions, care to give a

> bit of

> backgroudn on yourself? :)

> 	<Rhiannon>	I'm Andrea Phillips, I work on Perplex City and have

> its

> whole life, former Cloudmakers moderator, current SIG procrastinator

> 	<JohnEvans>	Sure! I'm John Evans, an amateur/beginning game

> developer. I'm interested in all sorts of game development, especially

> new and exciting things like ARGs.

> 	-->|	imbri (imbri at chat-solu-A3D3331C.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has

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> 	<amartin>	hi, imbri - you arrived just in time to introduce

> yourself :)

> 	<imbri>	hi! i'm imbri ;)

> 	<amartin>	:)

> 	<imbri>	some of you may recognise me more as brooke thompson

> 	* JohnEvans	grins.

> 	<imbri>	is that better?

> 	* mysteryjones	waves hello

> 	<imbri>	(i'm really just going to be lurking - fighting two fires in

> two games - kinda insane)

> 	<amartin>	wow.

> 	<amartin>	thanks for looking in on us :)

> 	<JohnEvans>	go imbri go!

> 	<amartin>	So, I have only a very slim agenda....

> 	<amartin>	AGENDA:

> 	<amartin>	* Status of SIG activities (GDC, publications, etc)

> 	<amartin>	* Leadership Council / volunteering

> 	<amartin>	* Any other issues

> 	<amartin>	that's it

> 	<amartin>	So ... status

> 	<JohnEvans>	Sounds good.

> 	-->|	subversified

> (despain at chat-solu-81ED56F8.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net) has joined

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> 	<mysteryjones>	Adam, did you mean a report on past activities since

> our last chat or current activities?

> 	<amartin>	both

> 	<amartin>	Sadly, very little has happened since the last chat

> 	<amartin>	at least, in terms of people starting anything

> 	<mysteryjones>	If GDC is on that list, then I think we had another

> successful discussion group!

> 	<amartin>	subversified: do you want to do a quick one/two

> sentence

> intro of yourself? :)

> 	<amartin>	(we're talking about the Status of SIG activities at

> the moment)

> 	<subversified>	Hi. I didn't want to interrupt the meeting. I'm

> Wendy

> Despain. Mailing list gadfly and ARG producer

> 	<amartin>	yep, we had another good turnout at GDC this year.

> 	<amartin>	IIRC it was around 13 people? (Evan, Brooke?)

> 	<amartin>	(Wendy?)

> 	<imbri>	at least, i think

> 	<imbri>	seemed more than that, anyway :)

> 	<subversified>	I had the cool metal business cards at the GDC

> meeting. :-)

> 	<amartin>	One of hte nice things I noticed was that most

> people

> present had already made an ARG of some form, or were actively working

> on one

> 	<subversified>	yeah, i thought it was around 20

> 	<amartin>	OK, my bad :)

> 	<mysteryjones>	yes - I'd say around 15, and lots of new faces which

> was exciting

> 	<amartin>	there were a few people doing academic / teaching

> ARGs

> 	<subversified>	our in-person meetings always seem to go so well.

> :-)

> 	<amartin>	there were people from a major book publisher

> 	<subversified>	and someone who does training sims for the military

> 	<amartin>	there were some researchers too, IIRC?

> 	<mysteryjones>	yes definitely - this year has really caught a lot

> of

> research attention

> 	<amartin>	(my apologies: my notes from GDC have not yet caught

> up

> with me. That's *all* my notes ... all I have that made it back in my

> luggage is the business cards. Including the lethal metal device from

> Wendy that OMG...)

> 	<amartin>	(I just realised: that thing was in my hand luggage

> on the

> flight back. It's basically a giant razor blade. I'm amazed I didn't

> get arrested :))

> 	<amartin>	(anyway, cool and unforgettable business card ;))

> 	<subversified>	(good to know for future reference that someone made

> it through with those cards in their carryon. :-)

> 	<amartin>	and after the GDC session, most people hung around

> chatting

> for a long while afterwards

> 	<amartin>	I think we'd be there around an hour and a half

> before it

> really started to split up?

> 	<subversified>	yes, there seemed to be a lot to talk about

> 	<amartin>	unfortunately, on our other fronts, things haven't

> gone so well

> 	<amartin>	AFAIAA a couple of people are doing things along the

> lines

> of the ideas discussed in the last IRC chat, but none of those have

> been broadcast to the mailing list

> 	<amartin>	and no-one has attempted any of the good ideas to do

> with

> new publications (e.g. the guide for the press as to what an ARG is,

> etc)

> 	<amartin>	and we've had no update from IGDA yet on what's

> happening

> with the mailserver

> 	<amartin>	(which, unfortunately, we also found out we cannot

> *currently* edit/delete old posts on)

> 	<subversified>	yeah, they're making transitions to a new community

> person

> 	<amartin>	has anyone here considered starting anything new,

> and ended

> up not doing so?

> 	<subversified>	i haven't really had time to look at the wiki. i

> sort

> of assumed work was steaming ahead there.

> 	<JohnEvans>	I'd help but I don't have as much experience in the

> ARG

> community...

> 	<amartin>	(link:

> http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Alternate_Reality_Games_SIG )

> 	<subversified>	I think that's a reluctance many people feel

> 	<amartin>	Christy Dena did some good work pulling out the

> researchers

> into a page of their own

> 	<amartin>	and encouraging researchers she'd interviewed or

> been

> speaking to to add themselves / correct their entries on that page

> 	<amartin>	ditto with Educators

> 	<subversified>	yay Christy

> 	<amartin>	JohnEvans: there are very few people who do :) it's

> a

> relatively young area

> 	<JohnEvans>	True...

> 	<mysteryjones>	Does that leave the SIG mainly for ARG creators?

> 	<subversified>	and yet, we have problems with cliques...

> 	<AndresQ>	that was discussed the previous chat

> 	<AndresQ>	the creation of a "creators only" list

> 	<AndresQ>	finally, i think the idea was dropped

> 	<subversified>	and then on the mailing list it got shot down

> 	<amartin>	I'd like to ask everyone here to consider adding

> *something* to the wiki before the next IRC chat - especailly if you

> just have half the info, create a page with the info you have, and

> others can help flesh it out

> 	<mysteryjones>	right - what is the status?

> 	<subversified>	i think i can do that

> 	<amartin>	yay Wendy :)

> 	<AndresQ>	me too

> 	<amartin>	Yay Andres :)

> 	<AndresQ>	yay we !

> 	<subversified>	should we post to the list when we get something

> added

> to the wiki?

> 	<JohnEvans>	I'll give it a shot. ;)

> 	<amartin>	yay John :)

> 	<JohnEvans>	:)

> 	<AndresQ>	there is a RSS feed for the wiki additions?

> 	<AndresQ>	if not, it should be easy to create

> 	<AndresQ>	to get updated when wiki gets updated!

> 	<amartin>	generally I think it would be good to post when

> you've

> added something - that way you can let other people know that there's

> some content there that you want help with improving, by explicitly

> saying it's not considered complete

> 	<subversified>	i don't think it's been set up.

> 	<amartin>	there are many people who aren't used to wiki's, and

> don't

> realise that they are welcome to modify what's already there if they

> have more to add / something to correct

> 	<amartin>	I will check with IGDA about the RSS feed

> 	<amartin>	it certainly should be active

> 	<amartin>	but lots of people don't use it, so...

> 	<subversified>	there may be a problem with getting just one SIG's

> additions onto an rss, instead of all additions to the entire igda

> wiki.

> 	<amartin>	it may not be active because of problems filtering

> out the

> different parts of GIDA

> 	<amartin>	(yeah, what Wendy said)

> 	<AndresQ>	but I meant a separate feed

> 	<subversified>	so i'll post to the list when i make my additions,

> just so people know something is going on and I'll encourage them to

> get involved.

> 	<AndresQ>	just for the wiki

> 	<amartin>	yes, please

> 	<subversified>	the ARG SIG shares one wiki with all the rest of

> IGDA.

> We just have our own little part of it.

> 	<mysteryjones>	would it make sense to put a to-do list on the wiki?

> 	<subversified>	i think it would

> 	<mysteryjones>	I'm thinking of open source initiatives - how they

> organize their groups

> 	<amartin>	Evan, well volunteered!

> 	<amartin>	;)

> 	<mysteryjones>	right. got it.

> 	<mysteryjones>	they have many systems - things like open tickets,

> assigned tickets and closed ticketes

> 	<subversified>	i could help you with that if you need assistance

> 	<AndresQ>	yes, that's what I meant, sourceforge for instance

> has

> several feeds per project

> 	<AndresQ>	new file uploads, new bugs reported, etc

> 	<amartin>	AndresQ: yep, I'll ask IGDA for more info on what

> exactly

> we can do with it. I suspect the answer is likely to be "very little

> beyond what is already setup"

> 	<AndresQ>	I want my affiliate fee back !!

> 	<amartin>	there's a major overhaul of the IGDA's systems due

> to

> happen soon, which sounds like it might provide everything we want and

> more

> 	<mysteryjones>	great - in the meantime we'll just mimic what we can

> on the wiki

> 	<amartin>	yep. We've had lots of good ideas for things we

> could do

> 	<subversified>	i know the admin for the wiki. she owes me some

> favors. I'll ask her what she knows about its current rss abilities.

> 	<amartin>	I'd prefer to focus on doing them rather than trying

> to

> replace the systems we're using (for now), given this probable major

> upgrade about to happen

> 	<amartin>	excellent, thanks Wendy :)

> 	<amartin>	and we can do most things with the wiki for now...

> 	<subversified>	yeah, we can do the rss feed the old fashioned way

> for

> a while - typing out an email to the mailing list

> 	<amartin>	:)

> 	<AndresQ>	anything else on status ?

> 	<amartin>	Last year, we did a whitepaper. It's something we'd

> like to

> do better next time, and if we're to do anything of that scale again

> then we need some people to devote a lot of time to it

> 	<amartin>	sorry, I meant "something that everyone would like

> to do

> better next time"

> 	<amartin>	there were a lot of problems with it, and a lot of

> lessons,

> but a lot of great writing

> 	<amartin>	unless someone steps forward soon, we won't be doing

> anything this year

> 	<amartin>	I can help in whatever ways necessary, but it's more

> than I

> can manage myself

> 	<JohnEvans>	I'd like to help, but I'm kind of clueless as to

> what I can do...

> 	<AndresQ>	what is needed ?

> 	<amartin>	there is also last year's paper in the wiki, and if

> you

> haven't read it yet I strongly recommend you do.

> 	<amartin>	if there's data in there that has changed or you

> have extra

> info on, feel free to add to it there

> 	<amartin>	To write a whitepaper, you need:

> 	<amartin>	1. someone with a couple of hours a week for a month

> to get

> the paper planned-out and authors sourced

> 	<amartin>	2. someone with 1-3 hours a week for a few months to

> manage

> all the authors, and make sure they're each getting on with it OK

> 	<mysteryjones>	there. To Do list activated.

> 	<amartin>	3. someone with 10 hours a week for a few weeks to

> edit it

> all together

> 	<amartin>	4. someone with 4 hours a week to read, re-read, and

> re-re-read the edited drafts and keep it all consistent and correct

> 	<subversified>	some decisions need to be made about it being 1

> whitepaper to rule them all, or breaking it up into several

> whitepapers

> 	<Rhiannon>	I like smaller papers

> 	<amartin>	indeed. item 1 above is mainly about planning out

> what the

> direction and format of hte paper is

> 	<Rhiannon>	Less intimidating

> 	<Rhiannon>	More likely to be actually read

> 	<mysteryjones>	Wendy - I think whoever puts their head into this

> will

> gladly be able to make the call :)

> 	<mysteryjones>	Smaller would be more manageable

> 	<amartin>	Actually, I'd say there is a 1.5: find authors for

> each section

> 	<mysteryjones>	and look like we're publishing much more! :)

> 	<amartin>	which takes around 20 hours in a month

> 	<Rhiannon>	I think I could devote a couple of hours a week from

> July

> 	<Rhiannon>	But not until then

> 	<subversified>	i guess we should post about these on the mailing

> list

> to throw it open to a wider pool of potential volunteers

> 	<amartin>	yep

> 	<amartin>	good to get more questions out here so that we can

> make the

> first post informative though :)

> 	<Rhiannon>	I'd be happy to do a revamp f Methods & Mechanics,

> but I

> wouldn't want to do it alone

> 	<amartin>	one thing to add: a small but significant group of

> news/journalists expected the paper to contain numerical analysis of

> the ARG industry. That was a section we had no-one available to cover

> last year, but was the most-asked-for after we released it.

> 	<amartin>	things like "predictions of how many players there

> will be

> next year, how much money spent" etc

> 	<amartin>	OK, we've had an hour, so howabout we move on to the

> other

> items quickly?

> 	<subversified>	i was involved in writing a section about that - i

> posted on the list asking people to share numbers. I got zero

> response.

> 	<subversified>	maybe this year people will be more willing to

> share?

> 	<mysteryjones>	I'll add it to the future whitepaper topics list on

> my

> swanky new To Do List

> 	<amartin>	(great, thanks)

> 	<amartin>	(subversified: it guess it's going to need someone

> with a

> LOT of time to interview eveyrone individually and persuade them to

> help out?)

> 	<subversified>	(and someone who has gained their trust and respect)

> 	<subversified>	(someone willing to share their own numbers)

> 	<imbri>	and whoever is working on numbers - please talk to me, i've

> been doing (not so much lately) some work in that regard

> 	<amartin>	I think that would help a lot (offering your own to

> share)

> 	<amartin>	I mean ... "you" as in "whoever does the asking"

> 	<imbri>	well argdb and ionarg are making metrics a primary concern

> 	<subversified>	i agree - and if it's a high profile kind of person

> who has worked on high-profile games, that would be even better

> 	<subversified>	good to know, imbri

> 	<imbri>	and i've talked to a few different people about getting

> metrics on their games and if we can set up various web analytics and

> whatnots

> 	<amartin>	imbri, would you be interested in leading that

> yourself?

> 	<imbri>	well, as we discussed at gdc, there are some conflicts

> because of the finances at play

> 	<imbri>	which is why it's better on ionarg than the sig

> 	<imbri>	but i think there's some great potential here for helping

> each other out

> 	<imbri>	(these aren't mutually exclusive things)

> 	<imbri>	ionarg is in a position where it can sell things to people

> interesting in buying things

> 	<imbri>	in order to help fund future initiatives (ie printing costs,

> hosting costs for volunteer genre sites, etc)

> 	<imbri>	that's not something that we can do with the SIG

> 	<imbri>	metrics are one of the few things we have that's of real

> value

> 	<imbri>	to companies etc

> 	<imbri>	so, there's the thought on why metrics at ionarg vs the sig

> -

> but, of course, we should be working together

> 	<imbri>	it's crazy for us to be duplicating tasks when we have so

> few

> that are actually willing and able to do stuff

> 	<amartin>	OK, so whoever is putting the paper together should

> talk to

> you about it, but there are background issues that they need to be

> aware of?

> 	<imbri>	i can't think of any

> 	<amartin>	sorry, I mean ... they need to be aware of your

> position

> with ionarg, and understand where you're coming from

> 	<imbri>	um, yeah, reports to ionarg will be in multiple flavors

> 	<imbri>	but the bias and background issues are rather obvious, i

> think - we're out to help support the growth of ARGs as an

> entertainment medium

> 	<imbri>	no different than the sig aside from the ability to

> (hopefully) serve as a source of funding (one day maybe)

> 	<amartin>	thanks

> 	<amartin>	Volunteers: there were a lot of people who expressed

> initial interest in joining the council, but only two of them actually

> followed up with me. I sent out another email to the list, but got no

> response at all. Unless I hear from someone else ASAP, I'll check

> they're still interested, and then we'll add one or both of them.

> 	<amartin>	if you have a burning desire to become a council

> member...

> 	<amartin>	...email arg_sig @ igda.org with some info saying

> how much

> time you can commit to it, and what you would hope to do.

> 	<amartin>	The main issue is you need to be able to guarantee

> your

> time fairly regularly to deal with all the things that come up.

> 	<JohnEvans>	so what does the 'council' do?

> 	<amartin>	Other than that, it's not really any different from

> everyone else

> 	<amartin>	(anyone can start a new initiative as it is already)

> 	<amartin>	but you do get some extra recognition from IGDA,

> such as an

> exceptionally good VIP lunch at GDC :)

> 	<amartin>	and you become part of the public face of the SIG.

> And you

> can expect to get emails from me at short notice asking for help with

> things :)

> 	<JohnEvans>	I seeeeeee...:)

> 	<subversified>	do you care if we're already on the equivalent

> "councils" at other SIGs?

> 	<amartin>	yep. I can quite understand why people have shied

> away :)

> 	<amartin>	I don't see that being a problem, if you can still

> commit time.

> 	<amartin>	and the time commitment will probably often go

> unused, it's

> just you need to be *available* for doing stuff

> 	<amartin>	(although you'll also be expected to be a bit more

> involved

> in things, e.g. getting things going etc)

> 	<JohnEvans>	it's just that it all seems kinda vague...

> 	<amartin>	it's something you do more because you want to

> volunteer

> some of your time to help the SIG, and/or IGDA, because you believe in

> what everyone's trying to do with it.

> 	<JohnEvans>	M-hm.

> 	<AndresQ>	people, I've got to leave in a few minutes

> 	<AndresQ>	I can save the log until the moment I leave, or

> delegate to

> someone else

> 	<mysteryjones>	It's only vague John because it's driven by the

> volunteers - Adam and all of the other members help to define its

> direction

> 	<AndresQ>	or both!

> 	<amartin>	JohnEvans: feel free to email the address above to

> get more

> info aobut it

> 	<JohnEvans>	Cool.

> 	<amartin>	Any other things to cover?

> 	<JohnEvans>	I'm already logging, sort of automatically, so don't

> worry. :)

> 	<mysteryjones>	If you have anything you'd like to accomplish, the

> SIG

> is a great place to get it down with the help of the community

> 	<AndresQ>	great John!

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> 	<AndresQ>	talk to you people by e-mail

> 	<JohnEvans>	Take care Andres!

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> 	<AndresQ>	adios!

> 	<mysteryjones>	I've gotta run as well - thanks everyone for your

> thoughts today.

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> peer)

> 	<JohnEvans>	Okay!

> 	<subversified>	bye mystery jones

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> 	<JohnEvans>	so...

> 	<subversified>	so.... does this mean the meeting is over?

> 	-->|	catherwork

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> 	<JohnEvans>	Well, the meeting lasts until we run out of things

> to say...

> 	<JohnEvans>	so, have we? ;)

> 	<catherwork>	stoopid internets kept me away

> 	<JohnEvans>	welcome!

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> 	<catherwork>	i'll read the log sometime -- i was only going to be

> a

> lurker here anyway

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> 	<JohnEvans>	Uh-huh...I suspect it's all over...

> 	<JohnEvans>	are you on the SIG mailing list, cather?

> 	-->|	subversified

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> 	<catherwork>	i read the public web archives of it (i hate email

> lists)

> 	<JohnEvans>	Ahhh, okay.

> 	<JohnEvans>	welcome back Wendy!

> 	<subversified>	thanks. i guess i was waiting for adam to sort of

> officially end the meeting

> 	<JohnEvans>	Ah...yes.

> 	<amartin>	sorry, guys, had work emergency came up :(

> 	<amartin>	I'd only blocked out 5-6 GMT for this, so had to do

> it

> 	<amartin>	anyway ... thank you all for coming!

> 	<amartin>	provisionally ... next IRC approximately 4 weeks

> from today

> 	<amartin>	meeting over...

> 	<JohnEvans>	Cool, I think it'd be great if it werea monthly

> thing. :)

> 	<subversified>	thanks for running the meeting Adam

> 	<amartin>	we're trying, but we're a bit understaffed at the

> moment ;)

> and there was GDC, which is always a major upheaval

> 	<subversified>	maybe next time we can get a bigger group here :-)

> 	<JohnEvans>	would be nice. :)

> 	<subversified>	bye everyone. see you on the list.

> 	<JohnEvans>	Take care Wendy!

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> 	<JohnEvans>	Sorry, but I think I gotta head off too. Bye all!

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> does

> this button d)

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> <colin|afk>	hope it goes well, I'll be at work and can't be here.

>

>

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