[arg_discuss] FW: new researcher and educator listserv

[Andres M. Quijano]

Is this an e-mail rabbit hole? ;)

Christy Dena escribió:

> OH no, I just realized that Brian's email was to me and not the list.

> Sorry!!

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On

> Behalf Of Christy Dena

> Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 23:11

> To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'

> Subject: [arg_discuss] FW: new researcher and educator listserv

> 

> 

> Whoops, sent it to Brian rather than the list. Here is my response:

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Christy Dena [mailto:cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com] 

> Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 22:55

> To: 'Brian Clark'

> Subject: RE: [arg_discuss] new researcher and educator listserv

> 

> 

> No worries Brian, it is a good question. 

> 

> I think the biggest aspect for me is that this list doesn't seem to have a

> 'Let's Learn' culture. Instead of being one of exploration, of discovery, of

> putting ideas out there, of not knowing...of admitting you don't know

> something, this list is 'Solutions Based'. It seems here is where people

> come to find definitive answers rather than explore what the questions are.

> Research by its nature is about exploring unknown territories, about

> investigation. I think this sets a different culture in the list from the

> beginning. 

> 

> At the same time, this trait of being an answers list is great. I've posted

> questions on this list and got great responses. I can trust the responses

> here too, because there are experienced designers and thoughtful academics.

> It really is a list of experts in that respect and is quite helpful.

> 

> But another possible reason for the lack of discussion (well, it is for me)

> is the fact that there are so many on this list that are from corporations

> and possibly media etc that I feel that every post is a press release! It's

> like having to dress up to go into your lounge room. 

> 

> These are my quick thoughts. I'd be interested in any other views and I hope

> this helps Brian.

> 

> Regards,

> Christy

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Brian Clark [mailto:brian.clark at gmdstudios.com] 

> Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 22:30

> To: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com

> Subject: FW: [arg_discuss] new researcher and educator listserv

> 

> Just curious, Christy ... but was there a reason why you felt this

> discussion couldn't take place in the ARG-SIG list? I say that with no

> judgment, mind you, as I'm in the process of trying to set up a non ARG-SIG

> list for commercial developers that is less ... um ... publicly archived.

> Some of us sometimes feel like we have to keep our mouths a little shut (for

> example, I have an ARG running now, and basically no where to discuss issues

> that emerge from it, since the ARG-SIG list is too "public" to talk about

> stuff that still needs to be hidden behind the curtain.)

> 

> So I'm just trying to collect a list of traits that the ARG-SIG list isn't

> providing so was curious about your thoughts.

> 

> Best,

> 

> 

> Brian Clark

>   Founder/CEO, GMD Studios (www.gmdstudios.com)

>   407-657-8990 x40

>   brian.clark at gmdstudios.com

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On

> Behalf Of Christy Dena

> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:27 PM

> To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'

> Subject: [arg_discuss] new researcher and educator listserv

> 

> Hello All,

> 

> As many of you would be aware, I wrote the section on ARGs & Academia for

> the whitepaper. Since I did that section there have been many other

> researchers that have emerged and new ones that have started to look at the

> area. There have also been many educators who have started looking at ARGs

> as a pedagogical device for secondary and tertiary teaching and in the

> public sector. Many have joined this list in the hope of some good

> discussion and knowledge sharing. There hasn't been much conversation on

> this list for some reason - I'm guilty of not participating in all the

> researcher discussions too. But I do receive a lot of emails offlist from

> researchers and educators wanting to talk further and gather information. It

> is for this reason that I've started a new listserv for ARG researchers and

> educators. Basically, I'm experimenting to see if a new list that is

> dedicated to theoretical and pedagogical discussion will facilitate free

> exchange. I hope the list is seen as being complementary to the current SIG

> list and not a competitor since both can co-exist quite well. Indeed, the

> fact that more specialised lists are needed is a sign that the area is

> maturing. Hey, the new list may not even work as a conversation space

> either...but I hope it does...because I'm keen to share and hear other

> people's thoughts and knowledge. So, if anyone is interested in joining this

> list feel free to signup. Also, non academics, designers etc are all welcome

> to join! Anyone can join! In fact I sincerely hope you do, because

> researchers and educators need the insights of those in the trenches and

> researchers also want to output ideas that of value to designers. Here is

> the link to sign up:

> 

> http://lists.transmodiology.org/listinfo.cgi/argresearch-transmodiology.org

> 

> Also, please feel free to let me know your thoughts on the idea.

> 

> Regards,

> 

> Christy Dena