From dave at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Thu Oct 11 15:34:36 2001 From: dave at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com (Dave Goldman, Research Software Design) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news Message-ID: The Good News -------------- The legal situation that has prevented me from discussing Research Software Design company plans is now resolved. This was a lawsuit filed against us by a company that claimed the right to use our domain name. Their case was without merit, but the nature of the legal system is such that after both sides had spent an absurd amount of time and money, we finally reached a settlement in which that company will next year buy the domain name from us. The Neutral News ---------------- We are changing our domain name from to . This applies both to our address on the Web and to our e-mail addresses. will continue to work correctly through June 2002. However, you should now change your bookmarks and address books to use so that you will avoid difficulties in reaching us in the future. The Bad News ------------ Research Software Design no longer plans to develop further versions of Papyrus. We have been working for the past several years on a full Windows version of Papyrus. Unfortunately, we no longer have the resources to continue this project, which remains far from completion. We also have no current plans to produce a native Macintosh OS X version of Papyrus, nor a Linux version. We will continue to sell and support the current editions of Papyrus -- Version 7.0.16c for DOS/Windows and Version 8.0.10 for Macintosh. -- Dave Goldman (dave@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com) Research Software Design The PAPYRUS Bibliography System 617 SW Hume Street Portland OR 97219-4458 (U.S.A.) 503-796-1368, fax 503-452-8920 Technical Support: support@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Other Questions: info@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Web: http://www.ResearchSoftwareDesign.com/ From jan.herrmann at cetacea.de Thu Oct 11 17:36:46 2001 From: jan.herrmann at cetacea.de (Jan Herrmann) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >The Bad News Oooh, that's kind of shocking and I have to tell myself, that we are dealing here just with computer stuff. When there is a program I use daily, it is Papyrus. And it is not easy to hear that Papyrus will just die away. However, first of all I hope that the troubled times for Dave are over. I wonder who the other company is and I will not have big sympathies for whatever I find, when I look up rsd.com after June next year. I regret the bad economic development of the program with the Mac Platform. Was it that competitors were too strong or that it is too difficult for a small company to enter the market. Whatever the marketing reason is, it is not fair, since Papyrus is such an extraordinary program. Please tell us, whenever you see a little chance of progress for Papyrus. I think there are a lot of people who will support you. As long as there is no chance for future development, I am afraid there's nobody who will buy Papyrus. Furthermore many of my colleagues who were still working with Papyrus for DOS will now start looking around and switch to other solutions. What I didn't understand: Will you support the existing versions in a way that you answer questions from users, or will you also create versions 7.0.17 or 8.0.11 etc. whenever it is necessary? Have you thought about making the code open source, a merger with another company (It mustn't be ISI) or did you look around for another programmer who maybe is interested in joining you and continuing the work for other platforms? I still think that Papyrus offers unique features and is the best available Bibliography Manager available. It would be a shame if this gold piece of programming expertise would go down the river. Of course this is pure egoism. I see the time when the Mac OS X Classic Environment is stopped (maybe in three or four years) and I had to switch to another program. I would lose the links I gave to my database and the many features I love. Anyway, best wishes to you, Dave, and the secret hope that there will be a Papyrus 9 and 10 some day, Jan -- ---> Jan Herrmann Department of Anatomy School of Veterinary Medicine Bischofsholer Damm 15 Tel.:+49-(0)511-856-7482 D-30173 Hannover Fax :+49-(0)511-856-7683 Germany Vorlesungsreihe Wal und Mensch +----> http://www.cetacea.de From wdmccall at acsu.buffalo.edu Thu Oct 11 18:23:09 2001 From: wdmccall at acsu.buffalo.edu (wdmccall@acsu.buffalo.edu) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2097209642.1002824589@ny-amherst8a-361.buf.adelphia.net> Dave-- I don't know what to say. I was enchanted by your humor, loved the control that Papyrus gives me over every detail, and thought the quality of the software was superb. So now it is to become an orphan. How many advance copies of a Windows version would you have to sell to have the resources? There seem to be quite of number of us who would like to stick with Papyrus. --Scott --On Thursday, October 11, 2001, 12:34 PM -0700 "Dave Goldman, Research Software Design" wrote: > The Good News > -------------- > The legal situation that has prevented me from discussing Research > Software Design company plans is now resolved. > > This was a lawsuit filed against us by a company that claimed the right to > use our domain name. Their case was without merit, but the > nature of the legal system is such that after both sides had spent an > absurd amount of time and money, we finally reached a settlement in which > that company will next year buy the domain name from us. > > > The Neutral News > ---------------- > We are changing our domain name from to > . This applies both to our address on the Web > and to our e-mail addresses. > > will continue to work correctly through June 2002. However, you > should now change your bookmarks and address books to use > so that you will avoid difficulties in > reaching us in the future. > > > The Bad News > ------------ > Research Software Design no longer plans to develop further versions of > Papyrus. > > We have been working for the past several years on a full Windows version > of Papyrus. Unfortunately, we no longer have the resources to continue > this project, which remains far from completion. > > We also have no current plans to produce a native Macintosh OS X version > of Papyrus, nor a Linux version. > > We will continue to sell and support the current editions of Papyrus -- > Version 7.0.16c for DOS/Windows and Version 8.0.10 for Macintosh. > > > -- Dave Goldman (dave@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com) > > Research Software Design The PAPYRUS Bibliography System > 617 SW Hume Street > Portland OR 97219-4458 (U.S.A.) 503-796-1368, fax 503-452-8920 > > Technical Support: support@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > Other Questions: info@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > Web: http://www.ResearchSoftwareDesign.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-Mac-L mailing list > Papyrus-Mac-L@rsd.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-mac-l > W.D. McCall, Jr., Ph.D. ("Scott") Professor, Department of Oral Diagnostic Sciences School of Dental Medicine, University at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14214-3008 Voice: 716-829-3559 Fax: 716-829-3554 From jmccuske at mac.com Fri Oct 12 12:14:08 2001 From: jmccuske at mac.com (John J. McCusker) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with everything that Jan Herrmann has to say in response to the of Dave Goldman's news. While I feel sure that Dave did as much as he could, given the adverse circumstances, is there nothing that can be done? Are we left with nor recourse? >>The Bad News > >Oooh, that's kind of shocking and I have to tell myself, that we are >dealing here just with computer stuff. When there is a program I use >daily, it is Papyrus. And it is not easy to hear that Papyrus will >just die away. > >However, first of all I hope that the troubled times for Dave are >over. I wonder who the other company is and I will not have big >sympathies for whatever I find, when I look up rsd.com after June >next year. > >I regret the bad economic development of the program with the Mac >Platform. Was it that competitors were too strong or that it is too >difficult for a small company to enter the market. Whatever the >marketing reason is, it is not fair, since Papyrus is such an >extraordinary program. > >Please tell us, whenever you see a little chance of progress for >Papyrus. I think there are a lot of people who will support you. >As long as there is no chance for future development, I am afraid >there's nobody who will buy Papyrus. Furthermore many of my >colleagues who were still working with Papyrus for DOS will now >start looking around and switch to other solutions. > >What I didn't understand: Will you support the existing versions in >a way that you answer questions from users, or will you also create >versions 7.0.17 or 8.0.11 etc. whenever it is necessary? > >Have you thought about making the code open source, a merger with >another company (It mustn't be ISI) or did you look around for >another programmer who maybe is interested in joining you and >continuing the work for other platforms? I still think that Papyrus >offers unique features and is the best available Bibliography >Manager available. It would be a shame if this gold piece of >programming expertise would go down the river. Of course this is >pure egoism. I see the time when the Mac OS X Classic Environment is >stopped (maybe in three or four years) and I had to switch to >another program. I would lose the links I gave to my database and >the many features I love. > >Anyway, best wishes to you, Dave, >and the secret hope that there will be a Papyrus 9 and 10 some day, >Jan >-- >---> Jan Herrmann > Department of Anatomy > School of Veterinary Medicine Bischofsholer Damm 15 >Tel.:+49-(0)511-856-7482 > D-30173 Hannover Fax :+49-(0)511-856-7683 > Germany > > Vorlesungsreihe Wal und Mensch > +----> http://www.cetacea.de > >_______________________________________________ >Papyrus-Mac-L mailing list >Papyrus-Mac-L@rsd.com >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-mac-l -- John J. McCusker Ewing Halsell Distinguished Professor of American History and Professor of Economics Trinity University Department of History 715 Stadium Drive San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 Tel.: (210) 999-7625 Fax: (210) 999-8334 E-mail: jmccuske@mac.com **************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the system manager. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. From peter at danckwerts.com Fri Oct 12 05:28:43 2001 From: peter at danckwerts.com (Peter Danckwerts) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very sorry to hear this. Papyrus is great and your support has been excellent. Peter on 11/10/01 7:34 pm, Dave Goldman, Research Software Design at dave@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com wrote: > The Good News > -------------- > The legal situation that has prevented me from discussing Research Software > Design company plans is now resolved. > > This was a lawsuit filed against us by a company that claimed the right to > use our domain name. Their case was without merit, but the nature > of the legal system is such that after both sides had spent an absurd > amount of time and money, we finally reached a settlement in which that > company will next year buy the domain name from us. > > > The Neutral News > ---------------- > We are changing our domain name from to > . This applies both to our address on the Web > and to our e-mail addresses. > > will continue to work correctly through June 2002. However, you > should now change your bookmarks and address books to use > so that you will avoid difficulties in > reaching us in the future. > > > The Bad News > ------------ > Research Software Design no longer plans to develop further versions of > Papyrus. > > We have been working for the past several years on a full Windows version > of Papyrus. Unfortunately, we no longer have the resources to continue this > project, which remains far from completion. > > We also have no current plans to produce a native Macintosh OS X version of > Papyrus, nor a Linux version. > > We will continue to sell and support the current editions of Papyrus -- > Version 7.0.16c for DOS/Windows and Version 8.0.10 for Macintosh. > > > -- Dave Goldman (dave@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com) > > Research Software Design The PAPYRUS Bibliography System > 617 SW Hume Street > Portland OR 97219-4458 (U.S.A.) 503-796-1368, fax 503-452-8920 > > Technical Support: support@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > Other Questions: info@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > Web: http://www.ResearchSoftwareDesign.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-Mac-L mailing list > Papyrus-Mac-L@rsd.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-mac-l > -- Peter Danckwerts 50 Albert Rd Richmond Surrey TW10 6DP tel: 020 8940 8087 email: peter@danckwerts.com http://danckwerts.com From micro_resource at mac.com Fri Oct 12 13:26:02 2001 From: micro_resource at mac.com (Peter Charles Barriga) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Jan Herrmann > Reply-To: papyrus-mac-l@rsd.com > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:36:46 +0200 > To: papyrus-mac-l@rsd.com (papyrus-mac-l@rsd.com) > Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news > > > However, first of all I hope that the troubled times for Dave are > over. I wonder who the other company is and I will not have big > sympathies for whatever I find, when I look up rsd.com after June > next year. 1. Hmmmmmmm.... 1/12 chance http://www.reedswitch.thomasregister.com/olc/reedswitch/compinfo.htm OR http://www.scubadiving.com/ (my bet is this one.) OR http://www.canadianrsd.com/ OR http://www.rsd-intl.com/ OR http://www.rsd-associates.com/ (second choice) OR http://www.rsd.co.uk/ OR http://www.rsd.geac.com/ OR http://www.rsd.uk.com/ OR http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/767/spot-archives/rsd.html OR http://www.imi-rsd.co.il/contact.htm OR http://www.rohrbough-systems.com/ OR http://www.rsd-tc.com/ Peter Barriga From jhoyle at nsac.ns.ca Fri Oct 12 13:54:41 2001 From: jhoyle at nsac.ns.ca (Dr. J. Hoyle) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news References: Message-ID: <3BC72E60.A595FD0B@nsac.ns.ca> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jhoyle.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 290 bytes Desc: Card for Dr. J. Hoyle Url : http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/papyrus-mac-l/attachments/20011012/9f15ac7d/jhoyle.vcf From jjcrump at u.washington.edu Sun Oct 14 14:52:58 2001 From: jjcrump at u.washington.edu (Jon Crump) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Important Papyrus news In-Reply-To: <3BC72E60.A595FD0B@nsac.ns.ca> Message-ID: Dave, Let me add my voice to the chorus of support. Papyrus was a tool I waited a decade for, and I'm not about to abandon it. Its conception and construction (not to mention its support) showed some real genius in a world where Bill Gates's greed passes for vision. If there's any way we can help you keep fighting the good fight, you've only to let us know. Best wishes, Jon Crump __________ J.J. Crump | jjcrump@u.washington.edu Dept. of History 353560 | http://students.washington.edu/jjcrump/ University of Washington | Phone (206) 543-5790 Seattle, WA. 98195 | FAX (206) 543-9451 From julesmim at tin.it Sun Oct 14 17:52:55 2001 From: julesmim at tin.it (Jules Mimeault) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Papyrus can't die just like that Message-ID: Hello Dave, I?m one of those who waited for years for a program like Papyrus, and participated actively in beta testing. Remember my long messages with lots of suggestions. I always appreciated your support. Papyrus is by far the program that is closer to fit my needs. I just downloaded the EndNotes 5 Demo. It just does not fit my needs. But I was still waiting for important features in order for Papyrus to be quite the perfect tool I would need. Remember the complex bibliographies I exemplified. I can?t believe that all the work and intelligence you have put into Papyrus is now condemned to stagnation. I think developing for both Windows and Mac Os was a good step to make Papyrus profitable. But I also think that continued improvement of one of Papyrus? main strength, that is customizability, could open it a whole new market: the European One. I have the impression that Europeans scholars and students do not use a lot bibliography programs because all those available are too limited to the requirements of American style of bibliographies. I already gave you some examples of this. A multilanguage user interface could also help (I think of the way it is done in the genealogy program Reunion, or the music program Melody Assistant). I still hope? Jules Mimeault -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll keep stranding the review of Papyrus at http://www.burioni.it/forum/ors-bfs.htm Francesco Dell'Orso Perugia (Italy) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dave at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Mon Oct 22 04:42:16 2001 From: dave at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com (Dave Goldman, Research Software Design) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Re: [Papyrus-L] Pap vs. others and where's Dave? In-Reply-To: <006801c15a76$c85774a0$5e178b80@LocalHost> Message-ID: [NOTE: This thread began on the papyrus-l list. I am also posting this response to the papyrus-mac-l list, in case anyone is subscribed there only. But let us keep further discussion to the papyrus-l list, which applies to Papyrus in general.] I'm still here, of course, and reading all these messages with great interest. I've received too many personal e-mails to respond to each of them individually. Thank you all for your positive comments about Papyrus and Research Software Design. Let me respond to some of the questions and suggestions that have appeared on these discussion lists. First, though, a few technical details about the programming of Papyrus. [NOTE: This discussion list is not a technical programming forum. I'm presenting some facts here, but please let us avoid further interchanges about the relative merits of various programming languages, frameworks, or operating systems.] Papyrus started in 1979 as a Fortran program for the PDP-11 minicomputer. Version 7.0 remains a Fortran program, and still contains some core code from over 20 years ago. (Those programmers amongst you who have heard of Fortran only in your history classes need not sneer too much. Version 7.0 also contains code that incorporates modern object-oriented techniques.) Papyrus 8.0 for Macintosh is written in C++, using a programming framework created by Apple Computer named MacApp. Papyrus 8.0 for Windows was going to share the same C++ code, using a Windows version of the MacApp framework. That Windows version was once promised by Apple, but the company later reneged on that promise. I have been working hard over the past few years to resolve the technical, financial and political challenges of making MacApp a multi-platform programming framework -- Mac and Windows initially, perhaps also Linux later on. This effort has been greatly complicated by Apple's very recent announcement that it will no longer support and develop MacApp. - Will there be a Version 7.0.17 for DOS/Windows, or a Version 8.0.11 for Macintosh? I do not currently expect that we will see a Version 7.0.17 for DOS/Windows. One of these days there will be a Version 8.0.11 for Macintosh. Version 8.0.10 contains some bugs that we have already fixed; we have been waiting on an official 8.0.11 update until we could deal with some additional issues. When time permits, we will at least put together the existing bug fixes and post an 8.0.11 updater to our web site. - Will some other company continue to develop new versions of Papyrus? To date we have not been approached by any companies interested in doing so. - Can Papyrus users send money to Research Software Design to fund further development? I'm afraid that this doesn't appear practical to me. We'd be talking funding the salaries of at least a couple of senior programmers for at least a year. That's a lot of money. And I would not be comfortable with accepting such funds when I cannot guarantee the successful completion of the project -- both because of the nature of software projects in general, and because of possible MacApp licensing difficulties with Apple. Abandoning MacApp is a possibility, but that would add significantly more time to the project. - Could Papyrus users who are computer programmers, or who have access to computer programmers, help in completing the Windows version of Papyrus? Perhaps as an open-source project? I think this would also prove impractical. Version 7.0 is written in Fortran, a language known by relatively few programmers these days. More importantly, the code shows its 20-year evolution, and would be near-impossible for a new programmer to figure out, not to mention extend into a Windows application. The Version 8.0 code, while very clean and modern, is still sufficiently extensive and complex that a new programmer would have to work hard to understand all of it. More significantly, it is based on the MacApp framework -- which will be familiar to only a subset of Mac programmers, and quite unfamiliar to Windows (or Linux) programmers. - What about Linux? This is a case where the potential of Linux doesn't seem to offer us any help. A Linux version of Papyrus would be more of a challenge than a Windows version, since we have not already done any work toward a Linux version. - Is there no hope, then? I have been trying for quite a while to find a path toward the completion of Papyrus for Windows. I remain open to suggestions, but at this point I don't see a solution to the various obstacles outlined above. -- Dave Goldman (dave@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com) Research Software Design The PAPYRUS Bibliography System 617 SW Hume Street Portland OR 97219-4458 (U.S.A.) 503-796-1368, fax 503-452-8920 Technical Support: support@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Other Questions: info@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Web: http://www.ResearchSoftwareDesign.com/ From jevans at sewanee.edu Mon Oct 22 13:43:59 2001 From: jevans at sewanee.edu (Jon Evans) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] other bib software In-Reply-To: References: <006801c15a76$c85774a0$5e178b80@LocalHost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011022123932.029a9df8@seraph1.sewanee.edu> Given the unfortunate realities of the future of PAPYRUS, what other bibliography software packages out there are most compatible with PAPYRUS in terms of getting records to transfer over correctly..... From BaskinT at missouri.edu Mon Oct 22 14:18:43 2001 From: BaskinT at missouri.edu (Tobias Baskin) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] other bib software In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011022123932.029a9df8@seraph1.sewanee.edu> References: <006801c15a76$c85774a0$5e178b80@LocalHost> <5.1.0.14.0.20011022123932.029a9df8@seraph1.sewanee.edu> Message-ID: Gang, As a faithful and long time Mac user, I have been using Papyrus even when it was only in DOS and I had to have a special DOS machine just for that. I will continue to run papyrus version 8.0.10 on the mac now in use, even if years from now this computer too becomes used only to run just one very special program. Tobias >Given the unfortunate realities of the future of PAPYRUS, what >other bibliography software packages out there are most compatible >with PAPYRUS in terms of getting records to transfer over >correctly..... > > >_______________________________________________ >Papyrus-Mac-L mailing list >Papyrus-Mac-L@rsd.com >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-mac-l -- _ ____ __ ____ Tobias I. Baskin / \ / / \ / \ \ 109 Tucker Hall / / / / \ \ \ Biological Sciences /_ / __ /__ \ \ \__ University of Missouri / / / \ \ \ Columbia, MO USA / / / \ \ \ 65211-7400 / / ___ / \ \__/ \ ____ voice: 573-882-0173 fax: 573-882-0123 From jhoyle at nsac.ns.ca Mon Oct 22 15:08:48 2001 From: jhoyle at nsac.ns.ca (Dr. J. Hoyle) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] other bib software References: <006801c15a76$c85774a0$5e178b80@LocalHost> <5.1.0.14.0.20011022123932.029a9df8@seraph1.sewanee.edu> Message-ID: <3BD46EBF.D4255F82@nsac.ns.ca> I think that I will continue to use an old version of Papyrus as long as a PC computer will run the code. The current version I have (7.x? for Windows/DOS) works so well. I only wish that we could persuade Dave to continue on with this great package. Jeff Hoyle Jon Evans wrote: > Given the unfortunate realities of the future of PAPYRUS, what other > bibliography software packages out there are most compatible with PAPYRUS > in terms of getting records to transfer over correctly..... > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-Mac-L mailing list > Papyrus-Mac-L@rsd.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-mac-l -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I love linking of references, notecards and the clever across-the-board changes to keywords -- all features that no other reference manager has, at least on the Mac side. I also love Papyrus for not being as Word-centric as Endnote and the rest of the ISI bunch. Luckily, I am not pressed to change as there are no OS X-native bibliography managers at all. I certainly won't switch from a Classic application to another Classic application, and so -- for the time being -- I'll get by typing placeholders into my documents. Cheers (and thanks for a great programme), Klaus Beckmann -- Dr. Klaus Beckmann Tel. [49] (851) 509 2523 | Fax [49] (851) 509 2522 http://www.kbeckmann.de/ (personal info) http://www.public-economics.com/ (work) From franklin at memphis.edu Tue Nov 6 15:03:26 2001 From: franklin at memphis.edu (Stan Franklin) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] OS X Message-ID: Dave, I'm yet another happy Papyrus user who's distressed that you are no longer going to be able to develop the product. I also hope the situation changes, though I have no suggestions. Were I some approximation of Bill Gates, I'd offer to invest money. But, that's not an option. With the advent of Office X, I'm thinking of going from OS 9.1 to OS X. Is there a work around so that I could use Papyrus still? For example, could I produce a document in Word X and apply Papyrus to it in classic mode? Eventually I'll have to upgrade Office and OS because of compatibility problems, and I don't want to give up Papyrus. Thanks in advance for your help. Stan -- Stan Franklin Math Sciences Dept Phone: (901) 678-3142 Univ of Memphis Fax: (901) 678-2480 Memphis, TN 38152 stan.franklin@memphis.edu USA www.msci.memphis.edu/~franklin From jan.herrmann at cetacea.de Tue Nov 6 16:55:55 2001 From: jan.herrmann at cetacea.de (Jan Herrmann) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Re: OS X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stan, >With the advent of Office X, I'm thinking of going from OS 9.1 to OS >X. Is there a work around so that I could use Papyrus still? For example, >could I produce a document in Word X and apply Papyrus to it in classic mode? >Eventually I'll have to upgrade Office and OS because of compatibility >problems, and I don't want to give up Papyrus. I am using text processor applications under Mac OS X 10.1 and Papyrus in the Classic environment and I have to tell that it works without complications. I mainly use TexEdit Plus X for draft writing, which works great with Papyrus, but I briefly checked the Word X Beta (Test Drive) as well. Papyrus processed a Word document in Word X as if it was Office 98 (my latest Office version). To cite you can still drag references from Papyrus to your text processor. In the years of Papyrus use I have "evolved" to a certain screen arrangement with a small Papyrus references window on the right (references on two lines) and the bigger text processor window on the left. I can use this arrangement in OS X in just the same way. The only differences are a somewhat slower screen redraw, when you move OS X windows over Classic windows. To make use of the classic environment I recommend to feed your computer with enough RAM memory (which is very cheap right now). I use a Powerbook G3/233 with 380 MB RAM as my working machine. Compared to my G4/400 home Mac Mac OS X performs noticeably slower on the PowerBook but still acceptable. As long as Apple is supporting the Classic Environment, you can use Papyrus almost as if it was in the same environment. I hope they support at least that for a few years. After they didn't share necessary information with RSD to use AppleWorks and they abandoned MacApp without any substitute or adequate solution for the programmers they are not as trustworthy as one would wish. So you can become happy with OS X and Office X, and I still hope that we will find a way to see a Windows version (and some years after that an OS X version ) of this great tool, Jan Word X Test Drive Download via http://www.microsoft.com/mac/download/wordtestdrive/default.asp Tex Edit Plus X beta at http://www.nearside.com/trans-tex/ -- ---> Jan Herrmann Department of Anatomy School of Veterinary Medicine Bischofsholer Damm 15 Tel.:+49-(0)511-856-7482 D-30173 Hannover Fax :+49-(0)511-856-7683 Germany Vorlesungsreihe Wal und Mensch +----> http://www.cetacea.de From franklin at memphis.edu Tue Nov 6 21:16:36 2001 From: franklin at memphis.edu (Stan Franklin) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Re: OS X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jan, Many thank for your detailed and so helpful response. It's answered all my questions. Papyrus was my last concern. All of the software I regularly use is now working on OS X. I think I'll make the move over the coming holidays when I can afford time for the inevitable initial glitches. Maybe I'll have to relearn what I used to know about Unix. I enjoyed my visit to your cetacea web site. My interest is in how minds work, human minds, animal minds and artificial minds. So, I'm particularly interested in orcas and dolphins. I wish my German were stronger so that I could read your orca article. Thanks again, Stan > Stan, > >> With the advent of Office X, I'm thinking of going from OS 9.1 to OS >> X. Is there a work around so that I could use Papyrus still? For example, >> could I produce a document in Word X and apply Papyrus to it in classic mode? >> Eventually I'll have to upgrade Office and OS because of compatibility >> problems, and I don't want to give up Papyrus. > > I am using text processor applications under Mac OS X 10.1 and > Papyrus in the Classic environment and I have to tell that it works > without complications. > > I mainly use TexEdit Plus X for draft writing, which works great with > Papyrus, but I briefly checked the Word X Beta (Test Drive) as well. > Papyrus processed a Word document in Word X as if it was Office 98 > (my latest Office version). > > To cite you can still drag references from Papyrus to your text > processor. In the years of Papyrus use I have "evolved" to a certain > screen arrangement with a small Papyrus references window on the > right (references on two lines) and the bigger text processor window > on the left. I can use this arrangement in OS X in just the same way. > The only differences are a somewhat slower screen redraw, when you > move OS X windows over Classic windows. > To make use of the classic environment I recommend to feed your > computer with enough RAM memory (which is very cheap right now). I > use a Powerbook G3/233 with 380 MB RAM as my working machine. > Compared to my G4/400 home Mac Mac OS X performs noticeably slower on > the PowerBook but still acceptable. > > As long as Apple is supporting the Classic Environment, you can use > Papyrus almost as if it was in the same environment. I hope they > support at least that for a few years. After they didn't share > necessary information with RSD to use AppleWorks and they abandoned > MacApp without any substitute or adequate solution for the > programmers they are not as trustworthy as one would wish. > > So you can become happy with OS X and Office X, > and I still hope that we will find a way to see a Windows version > (and some years after that an OS X version ) of this great tool, > Jan > > Word X Test Drive Download via > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/download/wordtestdrive/default.asp > Tex Edit Plus X beta at http://www.nearside.com/trans-tex/ -- Stan Franklin Computer Science phone 901-678-3142 Univ of Memphis fax 901-678-2480 Memphis TN 38152 franklin@memphis.edu USA www.msci.memphis.edu/~franklin From damian at dsgamble.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 8 08:28:32 2001 From: damian at dsgamble.demon.co.uk (Damian Gamble) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:19 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] First Search OCLC PsychInfo database Message-ID: <3BEA887A.C358D8F3@dsgamble.demon.co.uk> I have just bought this program and it seems to be generally excellent: very well thought-through. I'm having difficulty importing a search from a First Search database (PsychInfo). There is a First Search import format but it does not seem to work with the results I have. Does anyone have any suggestions? From brian.irwin at utoronto.ca Thu Nov 8 07:32:55 2001 From: brian.irwin at utoronto.ca (Brian P. Irwin) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:20 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] First Search OCLC PsychInfo database In-Reply-To: <3BEA887A.C358D8F3@dsgamble.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Just a thought. When I am downloading records from the ATLA database, I must make sure that I choose short field titles instead of long field titles. For this database, Papyrus wants short titles. If First Search allows you to change the format of your download, you may experiment a bit to see if one or more changes improves things. Brian on 11/8/01 1:28 PM, Damian Gamble at damian@dsgamble.demon.co.uk wrote: > I have just bought this program and it seems to be generally excellent: > very well thought-through. I'm having difficulty importing a search from > a First Search database (PsychInfo). There is a First Search import > format but it does not seem to work with the results I have. Does anyone > have any suggestions? > > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-Mac-L mailing list > Papyrus-Mac-L@rsd.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-mac-l --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian P. Irwin Assistant Professor of Old Testament Alliance Theological Seminary - NYC 93 Worth Street, 10th Floor New York, NY 10013-3904 USA Phone: 908-522-9577 Fax: 908-522-4507 E-mail: brian.irwin@utoronto.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jan.herrmann at cetacea.de Fri Nov 9 09:44:35 2001 From: jan.herrmann at cetacea.de (Jan Herrmann) Date: Tue Jun 22 07:34:20 2004 Subject: [Papyrus-Mac-L] Re: OS X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stan, >Maybe I'll have to relearn what I used to know about Unix. You don't have to, but it seems that OS X gets much more powerful, when you are able to use the terminal every now and then. >I wish my German were stronger so that I could read your orca article. The orca article is about a publication which you can read in original: BARRETT-LENNARD, L. G., J. K. B. FORD u. K. A. HEISE (1996): The mixed blessing of echolocation: Differences in sonar use by fish-eating and mammal-eating killer whales. Anim. Behav. 51, pp. 553-565 If you are interested in Cetaceans, you might find some interesting articles in one of the two Papyrus databases which you can download from Cetacea.de. You find links to those databases in the Papyrus section of Cetacea.de at: --> http://www.cetacea.de/?science/papyrus/index_e.htm There's a short Papyrus review as well, which I put on the website today. I would be happy to hear any comments about it. Have a good weekend, Jan -- ---> Jan Herrmann Department of Anatomy School of Veterinary Medicine Bischofsholer Damm 15 Tel.:+49-(0)511-856-7482 30173 Hannover Fax :+49-(0)511-856-7683 Germany Vorlesungsreihe Wal und Mensch +----> http://www.cetacea.de