From logies at web.de  Sun Jul 20 04:09:51 2008
From: logies at web.de (Michael Logies)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:09:51 +0200
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Could Zotero an alternative to Papyrus?
In-Reply-To: <004b01c82f6b$772f3dd0$04001ab0@Ane>
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Has anybody tried to export from Zotero and import into Papyrus and vice versa? Which formats will work?

It`s some years back that I used Papyrus but I remember it`s flexible bibliographic styles and its robustness. Zotero is a great tool but missing these features. Its plug-ins for Word, Openoffice and Neooffice work, but are still beta software and may mess up the text. I tested the plug-in for Openoffice.

Is there any recommendation which of Openoffice`s file formats to use for cooperating with Papyrus?

Thanks

Michael

At 25.11.2007 14:59 Ane Ortega wrote:

> Dear all

> Some time ago I got in contact with the users of this list asking for
> advice on an alternative to Papyrus. I was particularly keen to find a
> software which allowed storing notecards the way Papyrus does. Among the
> many replies for which I warmly thank you, Duncan Branley suggested
> Zotero (www.zotero.org), still being developed at that time, but which
> is now available.

> I have looked into it and it looks very promising. I wondered if anybody
> is using it and can tell me how you are finding it and how the migration
> went?

> With thanks

> Ane

> _______________________________________________
> Papyrus-L mailing list
> Papyrus-L at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l



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http://www.logies.de/ (u. a. _die_ Mailingliste f?r die Dentalbranche),
PGP-/OpenPGP-Schl?ssel (RSA/IDEA) kann angefordert werden.

From agreer at uwm.edu  Sun Jul 20 16:58:02 2008
From: agreer at uwm.edu (Ann L Greer)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:58:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Alternatives to Papyrus
In-Reply-To: <4882F2CF.1020308@web.de>
Message-ID: <2106282252.11126351216587482091.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu>

I would also like to know if others have found this program a successful alternative to Papyrus. The other one I found which offers the notecards feature is Citation but I have not tried either.  Can anyone comment? 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Logies" <logies at web.de>
To: "Papyrus Discussion List" <papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:09:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Could Zotero an alternative to Papyrus?

Has anybody tried to export from Zotero and import into Papyrus and vice versa? Which formats will work?

It`s some years back that I used Papyrus but I remember it`s flexible bibliographic styles and its robustness. Zotero is a great tool but missing these features. Its plug-ins for Word, Openoffice and Neooffice work, but are still beta software and may mess up the text. I tested the plug-in for Openoffice.

Is there any recommendation which of Openoffice`s file formats to use for cooperating with Papyrus?

Thanks

Michael

At 25.11.2007 14:59 Ane Ortega wrote:

> Dear all

> Some time ago I got in contact with the users of this list asking for
> advice on an alternative to Papyrus. I was particularly keen to find a
> software which allowed storing notecards the way Papyrus does. Among the
> many replies for which I warmly thank you, Duncan Branley suggested
> Zotero (www.zotero.org), still being developed at that time, but which
> is now available.

> I have looked into it and it looks very promising. I wondered if anybody
> is using it and can tell me how you are finding it and how the migration
> went?

> With thanks

> Ane

> _______________________________________________
> Papyrus-L mailing list
> Papyrus-L at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l



-- 
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http://www.logies.de/ (u. a. _die_ Mailingliste f?r die Dentalbranche),
PGP-/OpenPGP-Schl?ssel (RSA/IDEA) kann angefordert werden.
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-- 
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Professor of Sociology and Urban Studies
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Milwaukee, WI 53201-0413
Office: 1-414-229-6944/4388
Office fax: 1-414-229-4266
 Personal fax 1-440-297-0867
 London: 44-(0)20-7352-0243
 Email: agreer at uwm.edu

From ageo at logemin.com  Thu Jul 24 08:32:57 2008
From: ageo at logemin.com (Alberto Lobo-Guerrero)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:32:57 -0500
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Help to install Papyrus on Windows XP professional
References: <002501c77c2c$984a2630$04001ab0@Ane>	<14237.89.243.212.46.1176291454.squirrel@secure2.gold.ac.uk><004b01c82f6b$772f3dd0$04001ab0@Ane>
	<4882F2CF.1020308@web.de>
Message-ID: <007901c8ed89$688b20f0$0200a8c0@LOGEMINTATO>

  Bogota, July 24, 2008

  Dear Sirs,

  In case that any of you are familiar installing Papyrus on Windows XP Pro, 
please help me.

  I would like to install Papyrus on a computer that runs on Windows XP 
Professional, 2002. Please let me know how to do that properly. I downloaded 
the "latest" version of Papyrus from the internet.

  I also tried to to install Papyrus on another computer and did it wrong. 
The operating system of that computer is Windows XP Media Center Edition, 
version 2002, Service Pack 2. The computer has an AMD Thurion 64 (X2) 
1.61GHz processor and 1.93 GB RAM. Please let me know how to un-install 
current Papyrus software and install it properly once again...

  Thanks in advance for your kind help in this issue.

  Sincerely yours,

  Alberto Lobo-Guerrero S.
  LOGEMIN S.A.

  ageo at logemin.com 


From jkiernan at uwo.ca  Thu Jul 24 13:58:41 2008
From: jkiernan at uwo.ca (John Kiernan)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:58:41 -0400
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Help to install Papyrus on Windows XP professional
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From jhf2 at bellsouth.net  Thu Jul 24 10:42:53 2008
From: jhf2 at bellsouth.net (John Fennick)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:42:53 -0400
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Help to install Papyrus on Windows XP professional
In-Reply-To: <007901c8ed89$688b20f0$0200a8c0@LOGEMINTATO>
References: <002501c77c2c$984a2630$04001ab0@Ane>
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Alberto,

See attachment.

This works for me

john



At 08:32 AM 7/24/2008, you wrote:

>  Bogota, July 24, 2008
>
>  Dear Sirs,
>
>  In case that any of you are familiar installing Papyrus on Windows 
> XP Pro, please help me.
>
>  I would like to install Papyrus on a computer that runs on Windows 
> XP Professional, 2002. Please let me know how to do that properly. 
> I downloaded the "latest" version of Papyrus from the internet.
>
>  I also tried to to install Papyrus on another computer and did it 
> wrong. The operating system of that computer is Windows XP Media 
> Center Edition, version 2002, Service Pack 2. The computer has an 
> AMD Thurion 64 (X2) 1.61GHz processor and 1.93 GB RAM. Please let 
> me know how to un-install current Papyrus software and install it 
> properly once again...
>
>  Thanks in advance for your kind help in this issue.
>
>  Sincerely yours,
>
>  Alberto Lobo-Guerrero S.
>  LOGEMIN S.A.
>
>  ageo at logemin.com
>_______________________________________________
>Papyrus-L mailing list
>Papyrus-L at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l

John Fennick
jhf2 at bellsouth.net
alt: j.fennick at ieee.org
Tel: 770 949-9132
7045 Fletcher Drive
Winston, GA 30187
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From ageo at logemin.com  Tue Jul 29 15:24:15 2008
From: ageo at logemin.com (Alberto Lobo-Guerrero)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Help to import ASCII text into abstract portion of
	Papyrus
References: <002501c77c2c$984a2630$04001ab0@Ane>
	<14237.89.243.212.46.1176291454.squirrel@secure2.gold.ac.uk>
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Dear Sirs,

Do any of you know how to introduce ASCII text into the abstract portion of Papyrus? I would like to cut and paste. Is that possible?

Thanks,

Alberto Lobo-Guerrero S.
LOGEMIN S.A.
ageo at logemin.com
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From mark.o'brien at rspb.org.uk  Mon Aug 18 10:28:19 2008
From: mark.o'brien at rspb.org.uk (O'Brien, Mark)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:28:19 +0100
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Alternatives to Papyrus
Message-ID: <E71A2CDB5DFFD14383BAC2E0612811BA04E604FB@ADARA.RSPB.ORG.UK>

I transferred my 3,500 papyrus records to Zotero a few months back, just to see how it compared.
No real problems with the transfer - except that, so far as I'm aware, Zotero doesn't support beyond the standard ASCII character set.  So, lots of funny symbols replaced the familiar Scandinavian/Eastern European author names present in Papyrus.  Some references (esp from the 'others' category) didn't seem to go across very well, unsurprisingly. Also, error messages about the process not completing (see below) resulted in me inputting in blocks of 500 references at a time which seemed to please Zotero much more.

I find that loading up the 3,500 records each time you want to access Zotero is quite time-consuming.  Going into Zotero once you are in Firefox isn't something I'd do unless I really planned to use it.  The delay prompts Firefox/Zotero(dunno which) to send an error message stating that the process isnt completing.  Tell it to carry on and all turns out ok.   

Importing references from Google Scholar was the main draw for me - very easy and simple to do, including attaching abstracts as a notes page.  That bit was great - although again an extended ASCII character set doesn't appear to be supported by Google Scholar.

Setting tags (keywords in Papyrus) is, however, a real chore.  It takes an inordinate amount of time to register each tag each time you set it (you have to set each tag in turn - not multiple tags in the way Papyrus allows) such that you really don't want to do more than the minimal amount.  Here Papyrus scores so much better. 

Putting references into (Word) documents, and drawing up the bibliographic list was simple.  I used the standard output rather than attempting to write my own journal-specific one.  The latter does seem to be feasible - although the Xotero Forum indicated there also seems to be one or two folk who can do this when requested - never did work out how well that worked.  You've then of course got the hassle of a) reconverting the gobbledygook into accents, umlauts, etc - and if you're that concerned, set the extra text for those references imported direct from Google Scholar to Zotero.

As has been mentioned elsewhere Zotero is rapidly developing and so some of the issues that I've raised above may already have been resolved and/or some of my issues may just be ignorance on my part and I'm doing Zotero a disservice.  However, there was enough to worry me about converting entirely.  I'm now using Zotero as a rapid bibliographic capture mechanism and transferring a subset of the most useful references from Zotero to Papyrus where I can use the extra search keyword capacity and extended character set to avoide irritating some of my continental colleagues!.

Hope that helps


-----Original Message-----
From: papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com [mailto:papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On Behalf Of Ann L Greer
Sent: 20 July 2008 21:58
To: Papyrus Discussion List
Cc: Papyrus Discussion List
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Alternatives to Papyrus

I would also like to know if others have found this program a successful alternative to Papyrus. The other one I found which offers the notecards feature is Citation but I have not tried either.  Can anyone comment? 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Logies" <logies at web.de>
To: "Papyrus Discussion List" <papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:09:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Could Zotero an alternative to Papyrus?

Has anybody tried to export from Zotero and import into Papyrus and vice versa? Which formats will work?

It`s some years back that I used Papyrus but I remember it`s flexible bibliographic styles and its robustness. Zotero is a great tool but missing these features. Its plug-ins for Word, Openoffice and Neooffice work, but are still beta software and may mess up the text. I tested the plug-in for Openoffice.

Is there any recommendation which of Openoffice`s file formats to use for cooperating with Papyrus?

Thanks

Michael

At 25.11.2007 14:59 Ane Ortega wrote:

> Dear all

> Some time ago I got in contact with the users of this list asking for 
> advice on an alternative to Papyrus. I was particularly keen to find a 
> software which allowed storing notecards the way Papyrus does. Among 
> the many replies for which I warmly thank you, Duncan Branley 
> suggested Zotero (www.zotero.org), still being developed at that time, 
> but which is now available.

> I have looked into it and it looks very promising. I wondered if 
> anybody is using it and can tell me how you are finding it and how the 
> migration went?

> With thanks

> Ane

> _______________________________________________
> Papyrus-L mailing list
> Papyrus-L at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l



--
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Office: 1-414-229-6944/4388
Office fax: 1-414-229-4266
 Personal fax 1-440-297-0867
 London: 44-(0)20-7352-0243
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From G.Veenstra at ncmls.ru.nl  Wed Aug 20 08:40:26 2008
From: G.Veenstra at ncmls.ru.nl (G.Veenstra at ncmls.ru.nl)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:40:26 +0200
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Publication type Other
References: <046FD0530C4B2E4D9DE3A43A8DF7428755969B@UMCEXBE03.umcn.nl>
Message-ID: <046FD0530C4B2E4D9DE3A43A8DF7428755969C@UMCEXBE03.umcn.nl>

For some time I have a problem with PubMed imports: Quite a few (but not all) articles when imported into Papyrus are assigned publication type Other, rather than Article. One of the consequences is that Journal info gets into the Also Print field, rather than the appropriate Journal, Volume and Pages fields. Of course this can be corrected manually, but that is quite tedious if you have many entries.
 
What's wrong?
 
Some details:
- Papyrus 7.0.17 under Windows XP
- Latest version Pubmed.flb (Jan. 2002)
- References from Pubmed, Display MEDLINE, Sent to File
 
Thanks.
 
Gert
 


The Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Centre is listed in the Commercial Register of the Chamber of Commerce under file number 41055629.

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From G.Veenstra at ncmls.ru.nl  Wed Aug 20 09:08:40 2008
From: G.Veenstra at ncmls.ru.nl (G.Veenstra at ncmls.ru.nl)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:08:40 +0200
Subject: [Papyrus-L]  Help to import ASCII text into abstract portion of
Message-ID: <046FD0530C4B2E4D9DE3A43A8DF7428755969D@UMCEXBE03.umcn.nl>

I am assuming you are using Windows XP.
Ctrl-V does not work. 
However, the following works:
If you click the DOS command prompt icon of the Papyrus window, then Edit - Paste


The Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Centre is listed in the Commercial Register of the Chamber of Commerce under file number 41055629.

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From ageo at logemin.com  Wed Aug 20 09:11:27 2008
From: ageo at logemin.com (Alberto Lobo-Guerrero)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:11:27 -0500
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Help to import ASCII text into abstract portion of
References: <046FD0530C4B2E4D9DE3A43A8DF7428755969D@UMCEXBE03.umcn.nl>
Message-ID: <00e101c902c6$42031c10$0200a8c0@LOGEMINTATO>

Thanks a lot for your help.

Alberto Lobo-Guerrero S.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: G.Veenstra at ncmls.ru.nl 
  To: papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:08 AM
  Subject: [Papyrus-L] Help to import ASCII text into abstract portion of


  I am assuming you are using Windows XP.
  Ctrl-V does not work. 
  However, the following works:
  If you click the DOS command prompt icon of the Papyrus window, then Edit - Paste


  The Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Centre is listed in the Commercial Register of the Chamber of Commerce under file number 41055629.




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From ckstarr99 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 10:45:19 2008
From: ckstarr99 at hotmail.com (Christopher K. Starr)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:45:19 +0000
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Searchable bibliographies on the wire
Message-ID: <BLU108-W547D7CA0D5C4E548115031A14E0@phx.gbl>


Dear Friends,
 
Here is a question that some of you have undoubtedly already resolved: How do I go about putting a Papyrus-generated bibliography on my department's webpage in searchable form?  I have two specialized bibliographies, one amounting to about 280 and the other to about 1600 references.  Each of them is probably far better than what anyone else has generated in those particular areas, so it makes sense to put them up there for everyone.  Simply putting it up as a word-processed bibliography would be very easy, but at least in the case of the longer bibliography it would be of rather limited use.  I admit that I am at best semi-literate in these things, a competent Papyrus user but nearly clueless at putting anything on the wire.  I admit that I haven't examined the company's site with this question in mind, so it may be that instructions are already there (if I could make any sense of them).
 
If any of you who has already had occasion to learn how to do this would like to take me under her/his wing and instruct me over the next month or so, much obliged.  That is, however, a tall order, so I will be happy with whatever advice I can get.
 
Please note that I am about to go over to Tobago for the next six days -- it's not what you think; I will be in the woods, collecting bugs, and not lounging on the beach -- during which I will be out of electronic contact.  I mention this in case anyone responds swiftly and then wonders why I stay silent.
 
Regards,Chris

Christopher K. Starr 
Dep't of Life Sciences
University of the West Indies
St Augustine, Trinidad & Tobago
http://www.sta.uwi.edu/fsa/lifesciences/
 

"Back in 1772, a ruined pair of shoes once learned how to speak.  Actual words were punctuated by an animalistic barking and a howling, a longing for roads."
Maurice Greenia in The Poetic Express vol. 23 no. 2
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From jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu  Fri Sep 19 11:19:42 2008
From: jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu (Rodgers, John R.)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Searchable bibliographies on the wire
References: <BLU108-W547D7CA0D5C4E548115031A14E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <36709F4CA14E4344ADED1E43541C108417123F@BCMEVS15.ad.bcm.edu>

Hi Chris, 
At one time there was a free web-version of Endnote- not sure if that can be adapted to your use.  It is relatively easy to convert Papyrus files to endnote files, though if you have extensive annotation (such as note files) these will be lost unless you jump through some hoops- not possible to do
using direct conversion routines as far as I know.  
     A first-run idea might be this: 
1) convert your files to HTML and post them, each entry to a separate page.   I don't think Papyrus can do this directly, but you could have each page listed by its pap#.  12345.htm, for example.
2) List the key words and post them as well, so that people can know what keywords to search for in your system. You might annotate the keyword list in case some of them are cryptic. 
3) set up a google feature within the pages.  That way users can use Boolean logic to search for text or keywords within the pages.  
(I don't know of any software that would generate the 1600 pages for you automatically, but it wouldn't be hard to write a routine in Basic or macros in WordPerfect (maybe Word, but I don't use that very effectively) to create them by looping on: 
   search for next pap#.
   store this pap# as 1_pap#
   search for next_pap#. 
   copy text in between to new file
   save as  1_pap#.htm
   delete up to next_pap#
   
 
 
 
 
 -John
 
John R. Rodgers, Ph.D.
Department of Immunology
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston, Texas 77030
713-798-3903
fax: 713-798-3700

________________________________

From: papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com on behalf of Christopher K. Starr
Sent: Fri 9/19/2008 9:45 AM
To: papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
Cc: dave at rsd.com
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Searchable bibliographies on the wire


Dear Friends,
 
Here is a question that some of you have undoubtedly already resolved: How do I go about putting a Papyrus-generated bibliography on my department's webpage in searchable form?  I have two specialized bibliographies, one amounting to about 280 and the other to about 1600 references.  Each of them is
probably far better than what anyone else has generated in those particular areas, so it makes sense to put them up there for everyone.  Simply putting it up as a word-processed bibliography would be very easy, but at least in the case of the longer bibliography it would be of rather limited use.  I
admit that I am at best semi-literate in these things, a competent Papyrus user but nearly clueless at putting anything on the wire.  I admit that I haven't examined the company's site with this question in mind, so it may be that instructions are already there (if I could make any sense of them).
 
If any of you who has already had occasion to learn how to do this would like to take me under her/his wing and instruct me over the next month or so, much obliged.  That is, however, a tall order, so I will be happy with whatever advice I can get.
 
Please note that I am about to go over to Tobago for the next six days -- it's not what you think; I will be in the woods, collecting bugs, and not lounging on the beach -- during which I will be out of electronic contact.  I mention this in case anyone responds swiftly and then wonders why I stay
silent.
 
Regards,
Chris


Christopher K. Starr 
Dep't of Life Sciences
University of the West Indies
St Augustine, Trinidad & Tobago
http://www.sta.uwi.edu/fsa/lifesciences/
 

"Back in 1772, a ruined pair of shoes once learned how to speak.  Actual words were punctuated by an animalistic barking and a howling, a longing for roads."

Maurice Greenia in The Poetic Express vol. 23 no. 2


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From jkiernan at uwo.ca  Tue Sep 23 16:01:59 2008
From: jkiernan at uwo.ca (John Kiernan)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:01:59 -0400
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus and Vista
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From jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu  Tue Sep 23 16:14:39 2008
From: jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu (Rodgers, John R.)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:14:39 -0500
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus and Vista
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John,
   I've been pretty happy with EndNote- which now houses the original 60,000 references from my Papyrus collection. The lastest version- X1 ("11") has  a group feature that reproduces Papyrus' groups very nicely indeed.  The Boolean logic of searches in EndNote is cludgey and seems slow, but works,
and the group feature allows you to quickly form new groups and then search within them. 
     The cost is quite reasonable, and you can get version 10 at Ebay at a fraction of the cost of a new one.  
    Endnote works very nicely from within Word- if that is your word processor - not so well I think with WordPerfect.  
-John Rodgers 

John R. Rodgers, Ph.D. 
Department of Immunology 
Baylor College of Medicine 
Houston, Texas 77030 
713-798-3903 
fax: 713-798-3700 
jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu 
  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
~Our knowledge is a torch of smoky pine    ~     
~That lights the pathway but one step ahead~    
~              George Santayana "O World"  ~    
~ ...the future can offer you infinite joy ~    
~   and merriment.                         ~   
~   Experiment,  and you'll see...         ~    
~               Cole Porter "Experiment"   ~   
~   "Four to six weeks in the lab can save ~   
~    an hour in the library"               ~    
~    -George J. Quarderer (pers.comm. 2005)~  
~            Dow Chemical Co.              ~    
~           and cited by HS Folger (1999)  ~    
~    Elements of Chem. Reaction Engineering~    
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 


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From: papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com [mailto:papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On Behalf Of John Kiernan
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:02 PM
To: papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus and Vista


I'm an enthusiastic user of Papyrus, but the
program is really unhappy with the unavoidable
Windows Vista. Vista won't allow "full screen"
mode with Alt+Enter, which allowed Papyrus to work
with windows XP.

Is there a subtle way to use Papyrus efficiently
on a computer with Vista? 

If not, can anyone recommend a more modern
bibliographic database program that will easily
accept thousands of Papyrus records?

John Kiernan
Anatomy, UWO
London, Canada
 = = =
  
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From raisa.deber at utoronto.ca  Tue Sep 23 16:54:06 2008
From: raisa.deber at utoronto.ca (Raisa Deber)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:54:06 -0400
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Searchable bibliographies on the wire
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W547D7CA0D5C4E548115031A14E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU108-W547D7CA0D5C4E548115031A14E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B1687463-CFB3-4C6F-8A95-C87F219D9FCE@utoronto.ca>

If you're talking about your department (rather than on the web per  
se), you can put Papyrus itself, an instruction file, and the .bb  
files.  People so wishing can install Papyrus on their own machine,  
and search the bibliography.  (It may also be possible to search from  
the server, but we don't do it that way because we don't know how to  
manage multiple users.)   In my own research group, we've rebranded  
Papyrus as a WIKI, and suggested that users can separate two  
functions - the searchable bibliography database, and the ability to  
text extract.  We have one master file, which we maintain centrally.   
All corrections, additions, etc. go there.  On a regular basis (in  
our case, at the end of the day), we create backup files, and post  
the bb files to the departmental server.  Anyone wanting to use it  
copies the bb files to their hard drive, and restores from backup.

This means that people wishing to use Endnote (or any other reference  
manager) can generate output files and automatically input the  
relevant references into Endnote.  We suggest using keywords (in our  
case, RESEARCHER-WHOEVER and PROJECT-WHATEVER) if people want to  
create subsets rather than transferring over the entire bibliography  
(we're now over 18,000 references).  We also use the papyrus number  
to label electronic copies of the files, which are also on the server  
(separated into CAN CIRC and RESTRICTED directories to ensure we  
respect copyright).

I've got a "how to" manual, if you're interested; email me.
Now, if you want the general public to be able to search the web  
site, this won't do it.
Hope this helps.
Raisa Deber
On 19-Sep-08, at 10:45 AM, Christopher K. Starr wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> Here is a question that some of you have undoubtedly already  
> resolved: How do I go about putting a Papyrus-generated  
> bibliography on my department's webpage in searchable form?  I have  
> two specialized bibliographies, one amounting to about 280 and the  
> other to about 1600 references.  Each of them is probably far  
> better than what anyone else has generated in those particular  
> areas, so it makes sense to put them up there for everyone.  Simply  
> putting it up as a word-processed bibliography would be very easy,  
> but at least in the case of the longer bibliography it would be of  
> rather limited use.  I admit that I am at best semi-literate in  
> these things, a competent Papyrus user but nearly clueless at  
> putting anything on the wire.  I admit that I haven't examined the  
> company's site with this question in mind, so it may be that  
> instructions are already there (if I could make any sense of them).
>
> If any of you who has already had occasion to learn how to do this  
> would like to take me under her/his wing and instruct me over the  
> next month or so, much obliged.  That is, however, a tall order, so  
> I will be happy with whatever advice I can get.
>
> Please note that I am about to go over to Tobago for the next six  
> days -- it's not what you think; I will be in the woods, collecting  
> bugs, and not lounging on the beach -- during which I will be out  
> of electronic contact.  I mention this in case anyone responds  
> swiftly and then wonders why I stay silent.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
> Christopher K. Starr
> Dep't of Life Sciences
> University of the West Indies
> St Augustine, Trinidad & Tobago
> http://www.sta.uwi.edu/fsa/lifesciences/
>
> "Back in 1772, a ruined pair of shoes once learned how to speak.   
> Actual words were punctuated by an animalistic barking and a  
> howling, a longing for roads."
>
> Maurice Greenia in The Poetic Express vol. 23 no. 2
>
>
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Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto
Director, CIHR Team in Community Care and Health Human Resources  
(www.teamgrant.ca)
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From jkiernan at uwo.ca  Wed Sep 24 00:38:20 2008
From: jkiernan at uwo.ca (John Kiernan)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus and Vista
In-Reply-To: <36709F4CA14E4344ADED1E43541C10841C7B7E@BCMEVS15.ad.bcm.edu>
References: <fbde850e4cee.48d912f7@uwo.ca>
	<36709F4CA14E4344ADED1E43541C10841C7B7E@BCMEVS15.ad.bcm.edu>
Message-ID: <fc1cbf2247c6.48d98bfc@uwo.ca>


Thanks John Rodgers. I may well give Endnote a try. I've never used Ebay, and didn't know they auctioned 2nd-hand software. I wonder if people also sell their old programs on Kijiji. 

I prefer WordPerfect to MS-Word because WP provides closer control of the hidden formatting instructions. It's easy to permanently lose a big chunk of a Word file. WordPerfect X3 does truer saving to .doc and .rtf files than did WordPerfect 9. 

Unfortunately WP-X3 has dropped WP9's file exchanging with older DOS word processors such as WordStar, MultiMate, VolksWriter etc. Two versions of WordPerfect are now needed to work with Papyrus. 

Amazingly, WordStar (Version 7 for DOS) works really well under Vista, better than under XP or Win98. It's important to preserve compatibility with earlier word processors and not replace them with the latest versions. Any computer bought in the last 5 years can easily accommodate all the old and new programs. It's important not to discard the older versions of word processors.  

John Kiernan
Anatomy, UWO
London, Canada
= = =
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodgers, John R." <jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu>
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 16:15
Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus and Vista
To: Papyrus Discussion List <papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com>

> John,

> I've been pretty happy with EndNote- which 
> now houses the original 60,000 references from my Papyrus collection. The 
> lastest version- X1 ("11") has  a group feature that reproduces Papyrus' 
> groups very nicely indeed.  The Boolean logic of searches in EndNote is 
> cludgey and seems slow, but works, and the group feature allows you to quickly 
> form new groups and then search within them. 

> 
     The cost is quite reasonable, 
> and you can get version 10 at Ebay at a fraction of the cost of a new one.  
> 

> 
    Endnote works very nicely from 
> within Word- if that is your word processor - not so well I think with 
> WordPerfect.  

> 
-John Rodgers
> 
John R. Rodgers, Ph.D. 
> Department of Immunology 
> Baylor College of Medicine 
> Houston, Texas 77030 
> 713-798-3903 
> fax: 713-798-3700 
> jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu 
>   
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> ~Our knowledge is a torch of smoky 
> pine    ~     
> ~That lights the pathway but one step 
> ahead~    
> ~              
> George Santayana "O World"  ~    
> ~ ...the future can offer you infinite joy 
> ~    
> ~   and 
> merriment.                         
> ~   
> ~   
> Experiment,  and you'll 
> see...         ~    
> 
> ~               
> Cole Porter "Experiment"   ~   
> ~   "Four to six weeks in the lab can save 
> ~   
> ~    an 
> hour in the 
> library"               
> ~    
> ~    -George J. Quarderer (pers.comm. 2005)~  
> 
> ~            Dow 
> Chemical 
> Co.              
> ~    
> ~           and cited 
> by HS Folger (1999)  ~    
> ~    Elements of Chem. Reaction 
> Engineering~    
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> 


> 
> 

> 


> From: 
> papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com 
> [mailto:papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On Behalf Of John 
> Kiernan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: 
> papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
> Subject: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus and 
> Vista
> 
> 

> 
I'm an enthusiastic user of Papyrus, but the
> program is really 
> unhappy with the unavoidable
> Windows Vista. Vista won't allow "full 
> screen"
> mode with Alt+Enter, which allowed Papyrus to work
> with windows 
> XP.
> 
> Is there a subtle way to use Papyrus efficiently
> on a computer 
> with Vista? 
> 
> If not, can anyone recommend a more 
> modern
> bibliographic database program that will easily
> accept thousands of 
> Papyrus records?
> 
> John Kiernan
> Anatomy, UWO
> London, 
> Canada
>  = = =
>   

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> Papyrus-L at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
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