From arete at vims.edu Thu Oct 5 12:20:18 2006 From: arete at vims.edu (Paul Gerdes) Date: Thu Oct 5 12:20:22 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Re: Papyrus-L Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20060315170051.3B7971A7CF@five.pairlist.net> References: <20060315170051.3B7971A7CF@five.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061005121904.01fc8008@vims.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/papyrus-l/attachments/20061005/fbff95a3/attachment.html From raisa.deber at utoronto.ca Thu Oct 5 14:05:38 2006 From: raisa.deber at utoronto.ca (Raisa Deber) Date: Thu Oct 5 14:06:03 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Re: Papyrus-L Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061005121904.01fc8008@vims.edu> References: <20060315170051.3B7971A7CF@five.pairlist.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20061005121904.01fc8008@vims.edu> Message-ID: <02BADC27-AEE6-4C99-9F49-7AE3373555F4@utoronto.ca> Paul, do you have a back up? (i.e., did you create bb files?) What sort of messages are you getting? Raisa On 5-Oct-06, at 12:20 PM, Paul Gerdes wrote: > > > Is there anyone who can help me with a corrupt file? Please! I can > pay$ > > > At 01:00 PM 3/15/2006, papyrus-l-request@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > wrote: >> Send Papyrus-L mailing list submissions to >> papyrus-l@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> papyrus-l-request@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> papyrus-l-owner@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Papyrus-L digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Windows XP and Papyrus (Ann Lennarson Greer) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:34:18 -0600 >> From: Ann Lennarson Greer >> Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Windows XP and Papyrus >> To: Papyrus Discussion List , >> Frank Millerd >> Cc: papyrus-l@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com, fmillerd@wlu.ca >> Message-ID: <1142390058.44177d2ac65eb@panthermail.uwm.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> After sending my citations into the clipboard, how do I get them >> to my >> manuscript? In Preferences, I have set OS2/NT preferences to use >> a file and I >> am able to move text using F3 and F4 and Notepad. But I can't >> figure out how to >> get a list of references into a file. This seems to be the >> opposite of the >> problem F. Millerd was reporting back in 2004. >> >> Quoting Frank Millerd : >> >> > I have recently been assigned a desktop with Windows XP. I an now >> > experiencing the problems discussed here last year. I want to move >> > references and notecards to Wordperfect. >> > >> > Several suggestions have been made here: >> > Use the Papyrus reference Utility, PapRef1.0. Where is this >> available >> > to be downloaded? >> > >> > In preferences, OS2/NT clipboard, tell Papyrus to use a file >> instead of >> > the clipboard. This I did and now I can move a group of >> references into >> > a file and from there to Wordperfect. I have experienced >> problems in >> > moving a group of notecards; the file size seems to be limited. Any >> > solutions to this? >> > >> > By the way, where are the current postings to this list? That >> is, those >> > beyond the third quarter of 2004. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Frank Millerd >> > Department of Economics >> > Wilfrid Laurier University >> > Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5 Canada >> > Email: fmillerd@wlu.ca Tel: (519) 884-0710 ext 6033 Fax: (519) >> > 888-1015 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Papyrus-L mailing list >> > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l >> > >> > >> >> >> Ann Lennarson Greer >> Professor of Sociology and Urban Studies >> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee >> Milwaukee, WI 53201-0413 >> Office: 1-414-229-6944/4388 >> Office fax: 1-414-229-4266 >> Personal fax 1-915-990-9268 >> London: 44-(0)20-7598-9894 >> UK fax: 44-(0)870-133-6305 >> Email: agreer@uwm.edu >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Papyrus-L mailing list >> Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l >> >> >> End of Papyrus-L Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 >> **************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l Raisa Deber, PhD Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit (www.m-thac.org) Health Sciences Building 155 College Street Suite 425 Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 phone: (416) 978-8366 fax: (416) 978-7350 e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca From iasi65la at ufl.edu Thu Oct 26 15:37:36 2006 From: iasi65la at ufl.edu (Dr. Florin Curta) Date: Thu Oct 26 16:11:06 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Filter Message-ID: <217979002.8061161891456177.JavaMail.osg@osgjas04.cns.ufl.edu> I would like to transfer my Papyrus bibliographical database (over 40,000 entries) to EndNote. I don't even want to contemplate the idea of doing it entry by entry. So, does anyone know of a good import filter? Any information you may have on this or other related issues will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -- Florin Curta Fellow in Byzantine Studies Dumbarton Oaks 1703 32nd Street, NW Washington, DC 20007-2961 Phone: (202) 339-6955 E-mail: CurtaF@doaks.org Associate Professor of Medieval History and Archaeology Department of History 202 Flint Hall University of Florida P.O. Box 117320 Gainesville, FL 32611-7320 Phone: (352) 392-0271, ext. 240 FAX: (352) 392-6927 E-mail: fcurta@history.ufl.edu http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/fcurta From w.t.l.jr at juno.com Sat Oct 28 10:24:27 2006 From: w.t.l.jr at juno.com (w.t.l.jr@juno.com) Date: Sat Oct 28 10:25:41 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Filter Message-ID: <20061028.072439.793.782097@webmail17.lax.untd.com> I have been seeking a solution to a similar problem: moving a large database from an older computer with Windows 98 to a newer one with Windows XP. I tried e-mailing the large INDX.BIB file from the old to the new computer, and it was apparently received OK with the full file size. But when I try to access it with the recent Papyrus download on the new computer, Papyrus does not seem to recognize that it is there in the PAP folder. (All the other, smaller files were moved earlier via floppy disks to the PAP folder in the new machine.) Question: Does the e-mail process somehow alter the INDX.BIB file so that Papyrus doesn't recognize it? If so, how can this be corrected or prevented? I know that I could put that file on a CD, but I cannot find an external CD burner that will work with both the early Windows 98 (not 98 SE) and XP. If anyone can help me with my problem, maybe they can help you too. Bill Lindsay w.t.l.jr@juno.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/papyrus-l/attachments/20061028/0604bd78/attachment.html From dave at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Sat Oct 28 12:31:45 2006 From: dave at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com (Dave Goldman, Research Software Design) Date: Sat Oct 28 12:31:58 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Filter In-Reply-To: <20061028.072439.793.782097@webmail17.lax.untd.com> References: <20061028.072439.793.782097@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: Bill Lindsay wrote: >I have been seeking a solution to a similar problem: moving a large >database from an older computer with Windows 98 to a newer one with >Windows XP. I tried e-mailing the large INDX.BIB file from the old >to the new computer, and it was apparently received OK with the full >file size. But when I try to access it with the recent Papyrus >download on the new computer, Papyrus does not seem to recognize >that it is there in the PAP folder. (All the other, smaller files >were moved earlier via floppy disks to the PAP folder in the new >machine.) First, I'm a little surprised that you would have a database in which the REF.BIB file does fit on a floppy disk but the INDX.BIB file does not. Are you positive about that? Second, e-mailing INDX.BIB as you have done should work fine. Although I suppose that it is possible that some setting in your e-mail software, on one end or the other, might have somehow compressed or encoded the file -- but then the file sizes should not match exactly. Third, a different approach toward moving a Papyrus from one computer to another would be to go to the Utilities option in Papyrus and choose "Create Back-up Files". This will produce a set of *.BB files, each of them small enough to fit onto a floppy disk. Bring them to the new computer, and then run "Restore From Back-up Files" to rebuild the original database. -- Dave Goldman (dave@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com) Research Software Design The PAPYRUS Bibliography System 617 SW Hume Street Portland OR 97219-4458 (U.S.A.) fax 503-452-8920 Technical Support: support@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Other Questions: info@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Web: http://www.ResearchSoftwareDesign.com/ From denis at compasscomputers.co.nz Sat Oct 28 15:12:50 2006 From: denis at compasscomputers.co.nz (Denis) Date: Sat Oct 28 15:13:05 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Filter References: <20061028.072439.793.782097@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <001701c6fac5$14449ca0$3901a8c0@compasscav6z5e> If the '98 computer has a USB port available then memory sticks/pen drives/thumb drives (whatever they are called) are an excellent method of moving large files. I find them far more reliable and quicker than either floppy disks or CD's. Many new computers do not have floppy drives fitted and it is generally an easy job to fit a PCI USB card to a '98 computer should that machine not have USB. Regards Denis Ferguson Compass Computers Phone: (09)438-8776 Fax: (09)438-8495 Email: denis@compasscomputers.co.nz Web: www.compasscomputers.co.nz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Goldman, Research Software Design" To: "Papyrus Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Filter > Bill Lindsay wrote: > >>I have been seeking a solution to a similar problem: moving a large >>database from an older computer with Windows 98 to a newer one with >>Windows XP. I tried e-mailing the large INDX.BIB file from the old to the >>new computer, and it was apparently received OK with the full file size. >>But when I try to access it with the recent Papyrus download on the new >>computer, Papyrus does not seem to recognize that it is there in the PAP >>folder. (All the other, smaller files were moved earlier via floppy disks >>to the PAP folder in the new machine.) > > First, I'm a little surprised that you would have a database in which the > REF.BIB file does fit on a floppy disk but the INDX.BIB file does not. Are > you positive about that? > > Second, e-mailing INDX.BIB as you have done should work fine. Although I > suppose that it is possible that some setting in your e-mail software, on > one end or the other, might have somehow compressed or encoded the file -- > but then the file sizes should not match exactly. > > Third, a different approach toward moving a Papyrus from one computer to > another would be to go to the Utilities option in Papyrus and choose > "Create Back-up Files". This will produce a set of *.BB files, each of > them small enough to fit onto a floppy disk. Bring them to the new > computer, and then run "Restore From Back-up Files" to rebuild the > original database. > > -- > Dave Goldman (dave@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com) > > Research Software Design The PAPYRUS Bibliography System > 617 SW Hume Street > Portland OR 97219-4458 (U.S.A.) fax 503-452-8920 > > Technical Support: support@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > Other Questions: info@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > Web: http://www.ResearchSoftwareDesign.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.13/500 - Release Date: > 26/10/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.13/500 - Release Date: 26/10/2006 From j.mallet at ucl.ac.uk Sat Oct 28 16:07:19 2006 From: j.mallet at ucl.ac.uk (Jim Mallet) Date: Sat Oct 28 16:09:48 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20061028210626.01908ec0@pop2-server.ucl.ac.uk> [sending again, since first time didn't work] I sympathize with both these queries (Bill Lindsay and Florin Curta). I thought some of you might find my own experiences helpful. After many years of using Papyrus, I too felt I ought to make the change. First, until very recently I used Papyrus on the most modern versions of Windows XP, and it should work fine, providing you do a few tweaks to the "Command Prompt". Bill Lindsay's *.BIB file must have got corrupted somehow. Are you sure it still works on your Windows 98? If you have a network card, perhaps you can make a local network with your two computers -- we used to run Win98 and Win 2000/XP on the same network OK; then you would just copy between the two computers -- get a geek to help if you don't know how to do that. For my new software, I ended up using another Thompson-ISI programme, Ref Manager, rather than EndNote, because I heard it was more customizable. I still don't know whether this is actually true. They were all bought up by Thompson-ISI, so it's a monopoly now, which is a pity. Theoretically, it is simple to transfer the data, you output the file using a RIS format from Papyrus, and then import it into the new database using Ref Manager's RIS filter. But in practice, you lose a lot of formatting if you import from Papyrus using the standard filter. Particularly italics (which are commonly found in titles of papers, and are important in biology for scientific names), and special characters such as accented letters in foreign languages, which Papyrus was quite good at handling using Extended ASCII characters. The italics highlighting is specific to Ref Manager, but the special characters are a problem because whereas Papyrus and old fashioned pre-Windows programmes used extended ASCII text codes, the newer Windows programmes use different ANSI text codes for special characters. To solve most of the problems, I needed to edit the RIS text file using a text editor (n.b. beware use of MS Word and other Windows programmes, which will often create line breaks where you don't want them). For a text editor, I strongly recommend TextPad, available as a fully functional trial version on the internet. Eventually, I found there was a way that I could tell Reference Manager where the italics were. I was simply able to replace the italics on and off codes, which Papyrus helpfully put into the output file, into the Ref Manager preferred import codes, which you can set up. I had to scan through the large text file of the resultant literature data to find examples of the special characters which showed up as strange characters in the text file. Although I often couldn't see these codes properly in the text editor, I could highlight them and paste them into the "Find" part of a "Find and Replace" dialog of TextPad, and replace them with the correct special character (again placed in the "Replace" box by pasting from a text file). After a few tentative attempts, I found it worked, and so I replaced all examples of weird characters I found globally. Since I didn't know all the special characters I had used, I merely searched through replacing most things, i.e. most of the French, Spanish and German accents. I think I got most of them. Then I had a problem that Ref Manager thought that every single one of my journal names were the abbreviations, and not the full journal names that Papyrus had given it. In fact, I had lost all the abbreviations! To sort this out, I talked with the people at Ref Manager who helped me a bit. Ref Manager, like Papyrus, contains a databased list of periodicals with several abbreviations allowed for each, which it treats as synonyms if there is an exact match. So what I did in the end was export a list of journals with abbreviations from Papyrus, edit them into the appropriate format as a text file (I had to make sure all the special characters were correctly replaced in this new file as well). I then started a new Ref Manager database with no data in it, and imported the journal list according to the instructions given me by the Ref Manager help personnel. Then, into this new file, I imported the literature records from the existing database that I had converted from the RIS file (i.e. this was now in another Reference Manager database). Then since the new Ref Manager in every case recognized the full journal title as a synonym of the journals it already knew about (both the literature records and the periodical titles were of course from the same original Papyrus database), the synonym was correct. Now it knows all the journal abbreviations too. As you can see, this was all quite tricky and took a certain amount of knowledge about how to manipulate text files, plus a lot of manual search and replace work. But I think it was quicker to do this than to all the retyping it would have required if I hadn't done the automated editing of the RIS file. Finally, I have all of my data, journals and abbreviations, and keywords etc. When I say all my data, this is all the approx 11000 major papers I have ever made notes on, ever since I was an undergraduate (I am 50 now). I started with a card index, and when a Professor in the USA managed to get a work-study student to type it all into Papyrus. It's kind of nice to have everything I have ever read as an academic! And it's in a useful format for literature citation. I have now successfully written articles with complex, numerical references, and which allow automatic citations using Ref Manager's MS-Word add-in. Updating numerically cited reference lists (as in Science or Nature) was very hard to do in Papyrus, so it probably is labour saving to make the change. But I still miss Papyrus! I found it a lot easier to use than Ref Manager, even though Papyrus wasn't windowed, and I can no longer cut and paste a simple abbreviated reference, which was possible in Papyrus, of course. I could then pop the pasted reference into an email and send it to a friend, or print it out for a student. Papyrus had an amazing number of clever, labour-saving attributes which today's literature database software still don't match. Hope this helps Sincerely, Jim Mallet From 100341.2151 at compuserve.com Sat Oct 28 17:54:45 2006 From: 100341.2151 at compuserve.com (Derek B. Cornish) Date: Sat Oct 28 17:54:05 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20061028210626.01908ec0@pop2-server.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <001201c6fadb$aee19900$0200a8c0@TPA31> Jim - Thanks very much - from a relatively new Papyrus user - for your detailed description of converting to Ref Manager. I am sure it will be helpful, not only for Ref Manager users, but others contemplating moving to a Windows program. In fact I did just that after having accumulated a small collection of references in Papyrus - many of which I had imported into Papyrus from text files using the excellent intructions for building filters. I am now using Biblioscape, although I must say I find it somewhat fragile and temperamental, constantly requiring index rebuilding. Partly because of these problems I have been considering returning to Papyrus, which I was quite reluctant to leave. I was very interested in your comment: > First, until very recently I used Papyrus on the most modern versions of Windows XP, and it should work fine, providing you do a few tweaks to the "Command Prompt". What tweaks did you use, and do they solve all the XP problems mentioned from time to time on this mailing-list? I still use a number of DOS programs on XP, not because I am some sort of information technology dinosaur, but simply because they work better for me than their Windows equivalents. Some DOS programs in question are: Quicken (UK v6 with UK and US accounts), Grandview outliner, Lotus Agenda, and PC-Write - all used with TameDOS [http://www.tamedos.com/] to improve their functioning in an XP DOS window. Derek > -----Original Message----- > From: papyrus-l-bounces@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > [mailto:papyrus-l-bounces@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Mallet > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:07 PM > To: Papyrus Discussion List > Subject: [Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion > > > [sending again, since first time didn't work] I sympathize > with both these queries (Bill Lindsay and Florin Curta). I > thought some of you might find my own experiences helpful. > > After many years of using Papyrus, I too felt I ought to make > the change. > > First, until very recently I used Papyrus on the most modern > versions of Windows XP, and it should work fine, providing > you do a few tweaks to the "Command Prompt". Bill Lindsay's > *.BIB file must have got corrupted somehow. Are you sure it > still works on your Windows 98? If you have a network card, > perhaps you can make a local network with your two computers > -- we used to run Win98 and Win 2000/XP on the same network > OK; then you would just copy between the two computers -- get > a geek to help if you don't know how to do that. > > For my new software, I ended up using another Thompson-ISI > programme, Ref Manager, rather than EndNote, because I heard > it was more customizable. I still don't know whether this is > actually true. They were all bought up by Thompson-ISI, so > it's a monopoly now, which is a pity. > > Theoretically, it is simple to transfer the data, you output > the file using a RIS format from Papyrus, and then import it > into the new database using Ref Manager's RIS filter. > > But in practice, you lose a lot of formatting if you import > from Papyrus using the standard filter. Particularly italics > (which are commonly found in titles of papers, and are > important in biology for scientific names), and special > characters such as accented letters in foreign languages, > which Papyrus was quite good at handling using Extended ASCII > characters. The italics highlighting is specific to Ref > Manager, but the special characters are a problem because > whereas Papyrus and old fashioned pre-Windows programmes used > extended ASCII text codes, the newer Windows programmes use > different ANSI text codes for special characters. > > To solve most of the problems, I needed to edit the RIS text > file using a text editor (n.b. beware use of MS Word and > other Windows programmes, which will often create line breaks > where you don't want them). For a text editor, I strongly > recommend TextPad, available as a fully functional trial > version on the internet. > > Eventually, I found there was a way that I could tell > Reference Manager where the italics were. I was simply able > to replace the italics on and off codes, which Papyrus > helpfully put into the output file, into the Ref Manager > preferred import codes, which you can set up. > > I had to scan through the large text file of the resultant > literature data to find examples of the special characters > which showed up as strange characters in the text file. > Although I often couldn't see these codes properly in the > text editor, I could highlight them and paste them into the > "Find" part of a "Find and Replace" dialog of TextPad, and > replace them with the correct special character (again placed > in the "Replace" box by pasting from a text file). After a > few tentative attempts, I found it worked, and so I replaced > all examples of weird characters I found globally. Since I > didn't know all the special characters I had used, I merely > searched through replacing most things, i.e. most of the > French, Spanish and German accents. I think I got most of them. > > Then I had a problem that Ref Manager thought that every > single one of my journal names were the abbreviations, and > not the full journal names that Papyrus had given it. In > fact, I had lost all the abbreviations! > > To sort this out, I talked with the people at Ref Manager who > helped me a bit. Ref Manager, like Papyrus, contains a > databased list of periodicals with several abbreviations > allowed for each, which it treats as synonyms if there is an > exact match. So what I did in the end was export a list of > journals with abbreviations from Papyrus, edit them into the > appropriate format as a text file (I had to make sure all the > special characters were correctly replaced in this new file as well). > > I then started a new Ref Manager database with no data in it, > and imported the journal list according to the instructions > given me by the Ref Manager help personnel. > > Then, into this new file, I imported the literature records > from the existing database that I had converted from the RIS > file (i.e. this was now in another Reference Manager > database). Then since the new Ref Manager in every case > recognized the full journal title as a synonym of the > journals it already knew about (both the literature records > and the periodical titles were of course from the same > original Papyrus database), the synonym was correct. Now it > knows all the journal abbreviations too. > > As you can see, this was all quite tricky and took a certain > amount of knowledge about how to manipulate text files, plus > a lot of manual search and replace work. But I think it was > quicker to do this than to all the retyping it would have > required if I hadn't done the automated editing of the RIS file. > > Finally, I have all of my data, journals and abbreviations, > and keywords etc. When I say all my data, this is all the > approx 11000 major papers I have ever made notes on, ever > since I was an undergraduate (I am 50 now). I started with a > card index, and when a Professor in the USA managed to get a > work-study student to type it all into Papyrus. It's kind of > nice to have everything I have ever read as an academic! And > it's in a useful format for literature citation. I have now > successfully written articles with complex, numerical > references, and which allow automatic citations using Ref > Manager's MS-Word add-in. Updating numerically cited > reference lists (as in Science or Nature) was very hard to do > in Papyrus, so it probably is labour saving to make the change. > > But I still miss Papyrus! I found it a lot easier to use > than Ref Manager, even though Papyrus wasn't windowed, and I > can no longer cut and paste a simple abbreviated reference, > which was possible in Papyrus, of course. I could then pop > the pasted reference into an email and send it to a friend, > or print it out for a student. Papyrus had an amazing number > of clever, labour-saving attributes which today's literature > database software still don't match. > > Hope this helps > > Sincerely, Jim Mallet > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l From j.mallet at ucl.ac.uk Sun Oct 29 10:06:20 2006 From: j.mallet at ucl.ac.uk (Jim Mallet) Date: Sun Oct 29 10:08:42 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Setting up Papyrus on Windows XP Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20061029150408.018ed150@pop2-server.ucl.ac.uk> In reply to David Cornish, I just used a normal short cut from a convenient place on my Windows task bar. Instructions for optimal setup and tweaking are given by Dave Goldman at: http://www.researchsoftwaredesign.com/ftp/winNT.txt James Mallet http://www.ucl.ac.uk/taxome/jim/ From annecleader at yahoo.com Sun Oct 29 10:31:33 2006 From: annecleader at yahoo.com (Anne Leader) Date: Sun Oct 29 12:07:33 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20061028210626.01908ec0@pop2-server.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20061029153133.75567.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Re: Jim Mallet's post: Does Ref Manager also allow notecards as Papyrus does? This has been my reason for not switching. I love the notecards. Anne Leader From jan.herrmann at cetacea.de Sun Oct 29 12:54:58 2006 From: jan.herrmann at cetacea.de (Jan Herrmann) Date: Sun Oct 29 16:08:52 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion In-Reply-To: <001201c6fadb$aee19900$0200a8c0@TPA31> References: <001201c6fadb$aee19900$0200a8c0@TPA31> Message-ID: Dear Papyrus friends, have you considered running a Mac on your Windows system? Maybe running Papyrus for Macintosh in a Mac emulator could be a more satisfying experience than switching to another bibliography application. Searching the internet I could find two Mac Emulators for Windows: SoftMac http://www.emulators.com/ PearPC - PowerPC Architecture Emulator http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/downloads.html I don't know how well they work and if there are more available. There are of course a bunch of questions when thinking about to use them. Do they support drag and drop or at least copy and paste from the Mac window to the Windows window? Do they allow printing? Is the Papyrus for Macintosh support for RTF text files (pure text files or TeX, LaTeX) good enough for you? All the other supported applications are older or Mac specific (Microsoft Word (Versions 5, 6, and 98), WordPerfect (Version 3.x), and Nisus Writer (Version 5.x)). I used the classic Papyrus for some years and then switched to Papyrus for Macintosh which is a very nice further development of the classic Papyrus and is still in many aspects far ahead of the competitors. Because Apple switched to Intel processors and is abandoning the well working classic environment in Mac OS X on PowerPCs I have to start thinking of an emulator solution on the Mac as well. But it seems there is one in development. If you want to try the emulator way and need help in organizing ROM images or other Mac stuff, I just want to let you know that I could try helping with that. Maybe this could be an option for you, Jan Herrmann From w.t.l.jr at juno.com Sun Oct 29 16:21:33 2006 From: w.t.l.jr at juno.com (w.t.l.jr@juno.com) Date: Sun Oct 29 16:23:08 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Filter Message-ID: <20061029.132158.19739.1322859@webmail40.lax.untd.com> Thanks Dave. My REF.BIB file just barely fits on a floppy. I should have mentioned that I also tried to use a memory stick that I bought at CompUSA, and was assured by the clerk and both the package info and the instruction sheet that it would work with Windows 98/98 SE, but when I tried it it did not work. The Technical Help person for the product then told me that it required Windows 98 SE, not 98. That was some time back, so I don't remember what brand it was and I can't find it now. I have assumed that more recent memory sticks are even less likely to be backward compatible with Windows 98. Can someone suggest one? I have been hesitant about the Papyrus backup method for fear that I would lose something when the .BB files were created. I think I tried a test of it with smaller set of .BIB files and had a problem, but that also was some time ago. My version of Papyrus on the older computer is 7.0.12. Bill Lindsay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/papyrus-l/attachments/20061029/3e5f0a93/attachment.htm From raisa.deber at utoronto.ca Sun Oct 29 16:54:00 2006 From: raisa.deber at utoronto.ca (Raisa Deber) Date: Sun Oct 29 20:07:10 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Filter In-Reply-To: <20061029.132158.19739.1322859@webmail40.lax.untd.com> References: <20061029.132158.19739.1322859@webmail40.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <30F17860-BA6E-4C34-A0CF-60BA12689083@utoronto.ca> I use the bb method frequently to back up and restore; no file is greater than 300 k, so you'll be able to get them onto floppies without much trouble. (You may need more than one.) We're using one master data set for our research group, into which all modifications go. BB files are created daily and put on our server; we also e-mail them as necessary,. The file now has over 14,000 references, which means about 12 ref.bb files. Members of our group are using a number of different versions of Windows; indeed, I'm using it under Mac Classic. We've had great success in being able to restore to them all. (To avoid path issues, we recommend that all windows users copy all bb files over into the papyrus home directory.) Mind you, we don't use notecards, but everything else works fine, with the exception of a few issues with special characters when going between Papyrus 7 and Papyrus 8. We've never lost anything. (But why not upgrade to the most recent version of Papyrus 7 on the older computer?) Let me know if you have any problems. Raisa Deber On Oct 29, 2006, at 9:21 PM, w.t.l.jr@juno.com wrote: > Thanks Dave. My REF.BIB file just barely fits on a floppy. I should > have mentioned that I also tried to use a memory stick that I > bought at CompUSA, and was assured by the clerk and both the > package info and the instruction sheet that it would work with > Windows 98/98 SE, but when I tried it it did not work. The > Technical Help person for the product then told me that it required > Windows 98 SE, not 98. That was some time back, so I don't remember > what brand it was and I can't find it now. I have assumed that more > recent memory sticks are even less likely to be backward compatible > with Windows 98. Can someone suggest one? > > I have been hesitant about the Papyrus backup method for fear that > I would lose something when the .BB files were created. I think I > tried a test of it with smaller set of .BIB files and had a > problem, but that also was some time ago. My version of Papyrus on > the older computer is 7.0.12. > > Bill Lindsay > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l Raisa Deber, PhD Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit (www.m-thac.org) Health Sciences Building 155 College Street Suite 425 Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 phone: (416) 978-8366 fax: (416) 978-7350 e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca From 100341.2151 at compuserve.com Sun Oct 29 18:00:59 2006 From: 100341.2151 at compuserve.com (Derek B. Cornish) Date: Sun Oct 29 20:07:15 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Setting up Papyrus on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20061029150408.018ed150@pop2-server.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000001c6fbae$1a374970$0200a8c0@TPA31> Sorry, Jim. My misunderstanding. I thought you were proposing other tweaks in addition to those given by Dave on the Papyrus website. Derek > -----Original Message----- > From: papyrus-l-bounces@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > [mailto:papyrus-l-bounces@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Mallet > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:06 AM > To: papyrus-l@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > Subject: [Papyrus-L] Setting up Papyrus on Windows XP > > > In reply to David Cornish, I just used a normal short cut > from a convenient place on my Windows task bar. Instructions > for optimal setup and tweaking are given by Dave Goldman at: > http://www.researchsoftwaredesign.com/ftp/winNT.txt > > > James Mallet > http://www.ucl.ac.uk/taxome/jim/ > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l From j.mallet at ucl.ac.uk Sun Oct 29 19:21:46 2006 From: j.mallet at ucl.ac.uk (Jim Mallet) Date: Sun Oct 29 20:07:17 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion In-Reply-To: <20061029153133.75567.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20061028210626.01908ec0@pop2-server.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20061030002024.03724dc8@pop2-server.ucl.ac.uk> No, but there's a "Notes" field in the Reference Manager database, as well as a "User Defined 1" thru "User Defined 5." So, yeah, the requirement is probably covered. But I am not sure you could easily output the information on notecards you already have to another database (I never used notecards). So probably no substitute if you like the notecards. But if you don't need to do complicated numbered citations with a MS-Word add-in, why change from Papyrus? At 15:31 29/10/2006, you wrote: >Re: Jim Mallet's post: >Does Ref Manager also allow notecards as Papyrus does? > This has been my reason for not switching. I love the notecards. >Anne Leader James Mallet http://www.ucl.ac.uk/taxome/jim/ From zooeducation at izvg.co.uk Mon Oct 30 07:37:41 2006 From: zooeducation at izvg.co.uk (Zoo and Aquarium Consultancy) Date: Mon Oct 30 07:38:37 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Re: Papyrus-L Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2 References: <20061027160031.0F7E53C186@five.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <001101c6fc20$3129e4e0$0b01a8c0@Fred> I just did this, and it worked fantastically. I followed instructions from these links: http://endnote.com/support/enconversion.asp http://www.dur.ac.uk/its/software/endnote/endpapyrus/ I did do backup copies of everything first but 35,000 records came over with no problems. Nicola Nicola Blay, BSc, MSc International Zoo Veterinary Group Keighley Business Centre South Street, Keighley West Yorkshire, BD21 1AG UK Direct Line: +44 (0)1535 667106 Fax: +44 (0)1535 690433 From Harding at GENECTR.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU Mon Oct 30 09:43:15 2006 From: Harding at GENECTR.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU (Cheryl Harding) Date: Mon Oct 30 09:43:34 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Filter In-Reply-To: <30F17860-BA6E-4C34-A0CF-60BA12689083@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: I have a PNY Attach? memory stick that I got about a year ago that happily transfers data between my old laptop running Windows 98, my newer desktop running XP and my Mac G4. I have a dim memory of having to download a driver from the manufacturer's website to get it to work in Windows 98, but it was very straightforward and easy. It works like a charm, and I routinely transfer all my bib files for about 6,000 references between computers on it. Cheryl Harding Psychology Department Hunter College 695 Park Avenue New York, NY 10021 212-772-5047 -----Original Message----- From: papyrus-l-bounces@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com [mailto:papyrus-l-bounces@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On Behalf Of Raisa Deber Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:54 PM To: Papyrus Discussion List Cc: Raisa Deber Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Filter I use the bb method frequently to back up and restore; no file is greater than 300 k, so you'll be able to get them onto floppies without much trouble. (You may need more than one.) We're using one master data set for our research group, into which all modifications go. BB files are created daily and put on our server; we also e-mail them as necessary,. The file now has over 14,000 references, which means about 12 ref.bb files. Members of our group are using a number of different versions of Windows; indeed, I'm using it under Mac Classic. We've had great success in being able to restore to them all. (To avoid path issues, we recommend that all windows users copy all bb files over into the papyrus home directory.) Mind you, we don't use notecards, but everything else works fine, with the exception of a few issues with special characters when going between Papyrus 7 and Papyrus 8. We've never lost anything. (But why not upgrade to the most recent version of Papyrus 7 on the older computer?) Let me know if you have any problems. Raisa Deber On Oct 29, 2006, at 9:21 PM, w.t.l.jr@juno.com wrote: > Thanks Dave. My REF.BIB file just barely fits on a floppy. I should > have mentioned that I also tried to use a memory stick that I bought > at CompUSA, and was assured by the clerk and both the package info and > the instruction sheet that it would work with Windows 98/98 SE, but > when I tried it it did not work. The Technical Help person for the > product then told me that it required Windows 98 SE, not 98. That was > some time back, so I don't remember what brand it was and I can't find > it now. I have assumed that more recent memory sticks are even less > likely to be backward compatible with Windows 98. Can someone suggest > one? > > I have been hesitant about the Papyrus backup method for fear that I > would lose something when the .BB files were created. I think I tried > a test of it with smaller set of .BIB files and had a > problem, but that also was some time ago. My version of Papyrus on > the older computer is 7.0.12. > > Bill Lindsay > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l Raisa Deber, PhD Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit (www.m-thac.org) Health Sciences Building 155 College Street Suite 425 Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 phone: (416) 978-8366 fax: (416) 978-7350 e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca _______________________________________________ Papyrus-L mailing list Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l From j.mallet at ucl.ac.uk Sat Oct 28 13:22:08 2006 From: j.mallet at ucl.ac.uk (Jim Mallet) Date: Mon Oct 30 13:27:18 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion In-Reply-To: <20061028.072439.793.782097@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20061028171840.01988998@pop2-server.ucl.ac.uk> I sympathize with both these queries (Bill Lindsay and Florin Curta). I thought some of you might find my own experiences helpful. After many years of using Papyrus, I too felt I ought to make the change. First, until very recently I used Papyrus on the most modern versions of Windows XP, and it should work fine, providing you do a few tweaks to the "Command Prompt". Bill Lindsay's *.BIB file must have got corrupted somehow. Are you sure it still works on your Windows 98? If you have a network card, perhaps you can make a local network with your two computers -- we used to run Win98 and Win 2000/XP on the same network OK; then you would just copy between the two computers -- get a geek to help if you don't know how to do that. For my new software, I ended up using another Thompson-ISI programme, Ref Manager, rather than EndNote, because I heard it was more customizable. I still don't know whether this is actually true. They were all bought up by Thompson-ISI, so it's a monopoly now, which is a pity. Theoretically, it is simple to transfer the data, you output the file using a RIS format from Papyrus, and then import it into the new database using Ref Manager's RIS filter. But in practice, you lose a lot of formatting if you import from Papyrus using the standard filter. Particularly italics (which are commonly found in titles of papers, and are important in biology for scientific names), and special characters such as accented letters in foreign languages, which Papyrus was quite good at handling using Extended ASCII characters. The italics highlighting is specific to Ref Manager, but the special characters are a problem because whereas Papyrus and old fashioned pre-Windows programmes used extended ASCII text codes, the newer Windows programmes use different ANSI text codes for special characters. To solve most of the problems, I needed to edit the RIS text file using a text editor (n.b. beware use of MS Word and other Windows programmes, which will often create line breaks where you don't want them). For a text editor, I strongly recommend TextPad, available as a fully functional trial version on the internet. Eventually, I found there was a way that I could tell Reference Manager where the italics were. I was simply able to replace the italics on and off codes, which Papyrus helpfully put into the output file, into the Ref Manager preferred import codes, which you can set up. I had to scan through the large text file of the resultant literature data to find examples of the special characters which showed up as strange characters in the text file. Although I often couldn't see these codes properly in the text editor, I could highlight them and paste them into the "Find" part of a "Find and Replace" dialog of TextPad, and replace them with the correct special character (again placed in the "Replace" box by pasting from a text file). After a few tentative attempts, I found it worked, and so I replaced all examples of weird characters I found globally. Since I didn't know all the special characters I had used, I merely searched through replacing most things, i.e. most of the French, Spanish and German accents. I think I got most of them. Then I had a problem that Ref Manager thought that every single one of my journal names were the abbreviations, and not the full journal names that Papyrus had given it. In fact, I had lost all the abbreviations! To sort this out, I talked with the people at Ref Manager who helped me a bit. Ref Manager, like Papyrus, contains a databased list of periodicals with several abbreviations allowed for each, which it treats as synonyms if there is an exact match. So what I did in the end was export a list of journals with abbreviations from Papyrus, edit them into the appropriate format as a text file (I had to make sure all the special characters were correctly replaced in this new file as well). I then started a new Ref Manager database with no data in it, and imported the journal list according to the instructions given me by the Ref Manager help personnel. Then, into this new file, I imported the literature records from the existing database that I had converted from the RIS file (i.e. this was now in another Reference Manager database). Then since the new Ref Manager in every case recognized the full journal title as a synonym of the journals it already knew about (both the literature records and the periodical titles were of course from the same original Papyrus database), the synonym was correct. Now it knows all the journal abbreviations too. As you can see, this was all quite tricky and took a certain amount of knowledge about how to manipulate text files, plus a lot of manual search and replace work. But I think it was quicker to do this than to all the retyping it would have required if I hadn't done the automated editing of the RIS file. Finally, I have all of my data, journals and abbreviations, and keywords etc. When I say all my data, this is all the approx 11000 major papers I have ever made notes on, ever since I was an undergraduate (I am 50 now). I started with a card index, and when a Professor in the USA managed to get a work-study student to type it all into Papyrus. It's kind of nice to have everything I have ever read as an academic! And it's in a useful format for literature citation. I have now successfully written articles with complex, numerical references, and which allow automatic citations using Ref Manager's MS-Word add-in. Updating numerically cited reference lists (as in Science or Nature) was very hard to do in Papyrus, so it probably is labour saving to make the change. But I still miss Papyrus! I found it a lot easier to use than Ref Manager, even though Papyrus wasn't windowed, and I can no longer cut and paste a simple abbreviated reference, which was possible in Papyrus, of course. I could then pop the pasted reference into an email and send it to a friend, or print it out for a student. Papyrus had an amazing number of clever, labour-saving attributes which today's literature database software still don't match. Hope this helps Sincerely, Jim Mallet At 15:24 28/10/2006, you wrote: >I have been seeking a solution to a similar problem: moving a large >database from an older computer with Windows 98 to a newer one with >Windows XP. I tried e-mailing the large INDX.BIB file from the old to the >new computer, and it was apparently received OK with the full file size. >But when I try to access it with the recent Papyrus download on the new >computer, Papyrus does not seem to recognize that it is there in the PAP >folder. (All the other, smaller files were moved earlier via floppy disks >to the PAP folder in the new machine.) > >Question: Does the e-mail process somehow alter the INDX.BIB file so that >Papyrus doesn't recognize it? If so, how can this be corrected or prevented? > >I know that I could put that file on a CD, but I cannot find an external >CD burner that will work with both the early Windows 98 (not 98 SE) and >XP. If anyone can help me with my problem, maybe they can help you too. > >Bill Lindsay w.t.l.jr@juno.com >_______________________________________________ >Papyrus-L mailing list >Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l James Mallet http://www.ucl.ac.uk/taxome/jim/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/papyrus-l/attachments/20061028/f98275fe/attachment.html From santaella at mda.cinvestav.mx Tue Oct 31 18:47:53 2006 From: santaella at mda.cinvestav.mx (=??Q?Eduardo_Garc=EDa_Santaella?=) Date: Tue Oct 31 18:48:27 2006 Subject: [Papyrus-L] why then??? Message-ID: Why?? oh Why? I wonder...why then RSD went off and abandoned us in the misery of reference managers for windows!!....and how long would it take for those developers to notice that there was PAPYRUS with so many attributes since so many years ago. I also started using it for preparing my Masters degree thesis in 1988...just imagine I stil keep my older backup files in 5 1/4" disks! ...and I don't want to move onto a windows based manager! still hope someone from RSD will rethink and retake developing PAPYRUS 10 vs 1.00 for WINDOWS..??? may be?. cheers. -- Eduardo García Santaella, Proyectos SIG-Ostión y SIG-Strombus Laboratorio de Biologia y Cultivo de Moluscos CINVESTAV-IPN Unidad Mérida 01 999 124 2538 (Directo) 01 999 124 2100 (Conm. Ext. 2538) santaella@mda.cinvestav.mx ________________________________________________________________ Message sent using Telaen Webmail 1.0.0-RC2 From Thomas.Gill at ynhh.org Tue Dec 19 12:01:14 2006 From: Thomas.Gill at ynhh.org (Thomas Gill) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:01:14 -0500 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus and Word 2002 Message-ID: <4587D489.183B.005D.0@ynhh.org> Hi Dave/others: Is text extract in Papyrus V 7.0.16c supposed to work with Word 2002? I know it works with Word 2000, but not Word XP. My office PC was recently upgraded to Microsoft XP and although I asked the technical staff to install Word 2000, I got Word 2002 instead. When I use text extract with Word 2002, the document formating gets all messed up. I would appreciate your guidance on this. Thanks, Tom Gill A dinosaur still using Papyrus This message originates from Yale New Haven Health System. The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If you are the intended recipient you must maintain this message in a secure and confidential manner. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/papyrus-l/attachments/20061219/333ab4bc/attachment.html From raisa.deber at utoronto.ca Tue Dec 19 12:15:07 2006 From: raisa.deber at utoronto.ca (Raisa Deber) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:15:07 -0500 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus and Word 2002 In-Reply-To: <4587D489.183B.005D.0@ynhh.org> References: <4587D489.183B.005D.0@ynhh.org> Message-ID: Hi, Tom. You have to downsave to Word 6.0/95 format. Weird things get introduced in the format otherwise, and text extract won't work at all. As to what you lose in the process, see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/291337 Which does indicate that Word 2002 supports this format! (Now, as to how to do it, I'm not sure, but your technical staff should know.) If you have a Mac, the Classic version (Papyrus 8) does work with later Word files. Hope this helps. Raisa Deber On 19-Dec-06, at 12:01 PM, Thomas Gill wrote: > Hi Dave/others: > > Is text extract in Papyrus V 7.0.16c supposed to work with Word 2002? > > I know it works with Word 2000, but not Word XP. > > My office PC was recently upgraded to Microsoft XP and although I > asked the technical staff to install Word 2000, I got Word 2002 > instead. > > When I use text extract with Word 2002, the document formating gets > all messed up. > > I would appreciate your guidance on this. > > Thanks, > > Tom Gill > A dinosaur still using Papyrus > > > This message originates from Yale New Haven Health System. The > information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential. If you are the intended recipient you must maintain > this message in a secure and confidential manner. If you are not > the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and > destroy this message. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l Raisa Deber, PhD Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit (www.m-thac.org) Health Sciences Building 155 College Street Suite 425 Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 phone: (416) 978-8366 fax: (416) 978-7350 e-mail: raisa.deber at utoronto.ca