From fungitax at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 18:20:35 2005 From: fungitax at yahoo.com (fungitax lobito) Date: Wed Oct 5 18:20:38 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] import txt files Message-ID: <20051005222035.65896.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: I intent import txt files to my pap base but I have problems: papyrus no import the files. Can you say me which is the format of the references in standad format in the txt file for import references? Thanks in advance --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/papyrus-l/attachments/20051005/39fa4b75/attachment.html From raisa.deber at utoronto.ca Wed Oct 5 18:44:02 2005 From: raisa.deber at utoronto.ca (Raisa Deber) Date: Wed Oct 5 18:44:12 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] import txt files In-Reply-To: <20051005222035.65896.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051005222035.65896.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31E8A6A6-B0C1-445F-8919-EAF277EE2802@utoronto.ca> On Oct 5, 2005, at 6:20 PM, fungitax lobito wrote: > Hi: > > > I intent import txt files to my pap base but I have problems: > papyrus no import the files. What are you trying to import them from? In what format? Sorry, but I'd need more details. (But if Dave responds....) Sorry. Raisa > > Can you say me which is the format of the references in standad > format in the txt file for import references? > > > Thanks in advance > > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l > Raisa Deber, PhD Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit (www.m-thac.org) Health Sciences Building 155 College Street Suite 425 Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 phone: (416) 978-8366 fax: (416) 978-7350 e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca From raisa.deber at utoronto.ca Wed Oct 5 18:50:30 2005 From: raisa.deber at utoronto.ca (Raisa Deber) Date: Wed Oct 5 18:50:52 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Importing information into Papyrus In-Reply-To: <20051005222035.65896.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051005222035.65896.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > This is probably blindingly obvious, but I just discovered that transfers from the clipboard can indeed be two ways. I'd had no problems pasting TO the clipboard to cite in manuscripts, but hadn't realized you could also paste FROM the clipboard to Papyrus. So, for any of you wanting to import a bit of text into a Papyrus entry, just open Notepad, paste the text in (e.g., a title, an abstract), and then save as whatever text file you're using for your clipboard (I use c:]\pap\cited.txt). and close the file. You can then paste it into a field from within Papyrus. You clearly wouldn't need to do this if you're doing imports with a Papyrus format, but it is very handy indeed when you're updating something within a particular entry (e.g. the URL for something you got from the web.) Cheers - and happy new year to all. Raisa Raisa Deber, PhD Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit (www.m-thac.org) Health Sciences Building 155 College Street Suite 425 Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 phone: (416) 978-8366 fax: (416) 978-7350 e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca From arete at vims.edu Thu Oct 6 12:03:46 2005 From: arete at vims.edu (Paul Gerdes) Date: Thu Oct 6 12:03:53 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Re: Papyrus-L Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20051006160029.B5F041A7CA@five.pairlist.net> References: <20051006160029.B5F041A7CA@five.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051006120148.0037e4c8@mail.vims.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: scopus.ris Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2238 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/papyrus-l/attachments/20051014/75222ede/scopus.obj From agreer at uwm.edu Sat Oct 15 21:27:21 2005 From: agreer at uwm.edu (Ann Lennarson Greer) Date: Sat Oct 15 21:29:53 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Importing information into Papyrus In-Reply-To: References: <20051005222035.65896.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1129426041.4351ac7952c68@panthermail.uwm.edu> Hi Raisa, I can't do it. The clipboard file shows up in the pap directory but nothing happens when I paste. Possibly this is related to the problem I am having getting citations to paste to the clipboard. I sent a message to the list serve yesterday and am waiting. Quoting Raisa Deber : > > > This is probably blindingly obvious, but I just discovered that > transfers from the clipboard can indeed be two ways. I'd had no > problems pasting TO the clipboard to cite in manuscripts, but hadn't > realized you could also paste FROM the clipboard to Papyrus. So, for > any of you wanting to import a bit of text into a Papyrus entry, just > open Notepad, paste the text in (e.g., a title, an abstract), and > then save as whatever text file you're using for your clipboard (I > use c:]\pap\cited.txt). and close the file. You can then paste it > into a field from within Papyrus. You clearly wouldn't need to do > this if you're doing imports with a Papyrus format, but it is very > handy indeed when you're updating something within a particular entry > (e.g. the URL for something you got from the web.) > Cheers - and happy new year to all. > Raisa > > > > > Raisa Deber, PhD > Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation > Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto > Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit > (www.m-thac.org) > Health Sciences Building > 155 College Street Suite 425 > Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 > phone: (416) 978-8366 > fax: (416) 978-7350 > e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l > Ann Lennarson Greer Professor of Sociology and Urban Studies University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Milwaukee, WI 53201-0413 Office: 1-414-229-6944/4388 Office fax: 1-414-229-4266 Personal fax 1-915-990-9268 London: 44-(0)20-7598-9894 UK fax: 44-(0)870-133-6305 Email: agreer@uwm.edu From jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu Sat Oct 15 23:46:28 2005 From: jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu (John Rodgers) Date: Sat Oct 15 23:47:32 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Importing information into Papyrus In-Reply-To: <1129426041.4351ac7952c68@panthermail.uwm.edu> References: <20051005222035.65896.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> <1129426041.4351ac7952c68@panthermail.uwm.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051015203247.02c153b0@faculty.bcm.tmc.edu> Dear Ann, what system are you using? XP? and what word processor? Word? I think it was Raisa who was able to get pasting to work in ways that I haven't been able to achieve. In my hands, it appears that XP allows certain programs (Word, and WordPerfect) to keep control over files (c:\pap\cited.txt in your case) if they have opened them. They won't let other programs write to them. Not sure why you can't go the other direction, however. This is what I do: for pasting FROM papyrus, I have a macro which opens a NEW word processing document, imports the cited.txt, copies it all to the Windows clipboard, then closes new document. This returns it to the original document. Then it pastes into that document. I believe Raisa has been able to do Import File, and I think I got that to work to. For going in the other direction, you can't let your OPEN word processing document touch the cited.txt file or it will "take ownership" (my term for what seems to be happening). So: 1. block and copy what you want to paste to Papyrus 2. open a New document 3. past it there 4. save the file AS cited.txt AS a text document 5. close cited.txt you can put this into a macro too. then when you go to Papyrus just use F4 as usual. I think Raisa's Import works because the "parent" document doesn't actually open the file it is importing. -john rodgers At 08:27 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote: >Hi Raisa, > I can't do it. The clipboard file shows up in the pap directory but > nothing >happens when I paste. Possibly this is related to the problem I am having >getting citations to paste to the clipboard. I sent a message to the list >serve >yesterday and am waiting. > >Quoting Raisa Deber : > > > > > > This is probably blindingly obvious, but I just discovered that > > transfers from the clipboard can indeed be two ways. I'd had no > > problems pasting TO the clipboard to cite in manuscripts, but hadn't > > realized you could also paste FROM the clipboard to Papyrus. So, for > > any of you wanting to import a bit of text into a Papyrus entry, just > > open Notepad, paste the text in (e.g., a title, an abstract), and > > then save as whatever text file you're using for your clipboard (I > > use c:]\pap\cited.txt). and close the file. You can then paste it > > into a field from within Papyrus. You clearly wouldn't need to do > > this if you're doing imports with a Papyrus format, but it is very > > handy indeed when you're updating something within a particular entry > > (e.g. the URL for something you got from the web.) > > Cheers - and happy new year to all. > > Raisa > > > > > > > > > > Raisa Deber, PhD > > Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation > > Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto > > Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit > > (www.m-thac.org) > > Health Sciences Building > > 155 College Street Suite 425 > > Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 > > phone: (416) 978-8366 > > fax: (416) 978-7350 > > e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Papyrus-L mailing list > > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l > > > > >Ann Lennarson Greer >Professor of Sociology and Urban Studies >University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee >Milwaukee, WI 53201-0413 >Office: 1-414-229-6944/4388 >Office fax: 1-414-229-4266 >Personal fax 1-915-990-9268 >London: 44-(0)20-7598-9894 >UK fax: 44-(0)870-133-6305 >Email: agreer@uwm.edu >_______________________________________________ >Papyrus-L mailing list >Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l John R. Rodgers, PhD Department of Immunology Room M929 Baylor College of Medicine One Baylor Plaza Houston, Texas 770303 phone: 713-798-3903 fax: 713-798-3700 email: jrodgers@bcm.tmc.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Our knowledge is a torch of smoky pine ~ ~ That lights the pathway but one step ahead ~ ~ George Santayana "O World" ~ ~ ~ ~ ...the future can offer you infinite joy ~ ~ and merriment. ~ ~ Experiment, and you'll see... ~ ~ Cole Porter "Experiment" ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From raisa.deber at utoronto.ca Sun Oct 16 00:46:25 2005 From: raisa.deber at utoronto.ca (Raisa Deber) Date: Sun Oct 16 00:46:43 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Importing information into Papyrus In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20051015203247.02c153b0@faculty.bcm.tmc.edu> References: <20051005222035.65896.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> <1129426041.4351ac7952c68@panthermail.uwm.edu> <6.0.1.1.2.20051015203247.02c153b0@faculty.bcm.tmc.edu> Message-ID: <4DD3D867-1367-4C73-9987-A3CB3229F834@utoronto.ca> On Oct 15, 2005, at 11:46 PM, John Rodgers wrote: > Dear Ann, > what system are you using? XP? and what word processor? Word? Hi, Ann and John - and any lurkers. I'm not using XP (I'm still on Windows 2000) so can't testify about what happens. I'm also largely using Word Perfect whenever I can, although most of my collaborators are using Word. Word works with Papyrus as long as you save it as Word 6/95. At home, I'm using a Mac, and Papyrus for Mac works fine with newer Word files. (MacLinkPlus also translates over the Word Perfect, so I'm golden!) Back to the wonderful world of Windows. I don't know if it is an XP problem - I suspect it is a Word one. In general, two programs can't play nicely with the same file. This we know - you need to close files before you can text extract, for example. But I don't let Word open cited.txt at all - ever. It may keep ownership, but I suspect it also embeds formats! And that may be the problem. Whenever I need to open it from outside Papyrus (e.g., to paste into an email), I always use Notepad, and then save as cited.txt. Notepad seems to leave it as plain text. So for pasting into Papyrus, I open a Notepad file, paste the text, and then save as cited.txt. Similarly, to paste from Papyrus, if you do an "insert file" from within your word processor, the file you are inserting isn't opened by the word processor, so no format codes get inserted, and things don't foul up. (Mind you, Word does insist on changing the format of the surrounding text when I insert, but life isn't perfect. And that also increases my suspicion about format codes being the problem.) > > I think it was Raisa who was able to get pasting to work in ways > that I haven't been able to achieve. In my hands, it appears that > XP allows certain programs (Word, and WordPerfect) to keep control > over files (c:\pap\cited.txt in your case) if they have opened them. That's the key. Do not let them open them! > They won't let other programs write to them. Or, they have changed the format, so other programs can't? (Dave probably knows.) > Not sure why you can't go the other direction, however. > This is what I do: > for pasting FROM papyrus, I have a macro which opens a NEW word > processing document, imports the cited.txt, copies it all to the > Windows clipboard, then closes new document. This returns it to > the original document. Then it pastes into that document. I > believe Raisa has been able to do Import File, and I think I got > that to work to. > This should work, but you don't need to get that elaborate. The one cited.txt file works fine as long as you don't let the word processors get their hands on it. > > > For going in the other direction, you can't let your OPEN word > processing document touch the cited.txt file or it will "take > ownership" (my term for what seems to be happening). So: > 1. block and copy what you want to paste to Papyrus > 2. open a New document > 3. past it there > 4. save the file AS cited.txt AS a text document > 5. close cited.txt Yes, basically another way of accomplishing the same thing. But Notepad will do the same thing. > > you can put this into a macro too. > > then when you go to Papyrus just use F4 as usual. > > > I think Raisa's Import works because the "parent" document doesn't > actually open the file it is importing. I think you're right. Let me know if this works. Raisa > -john rodgers > > > > > > > At 08:27 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi Raisa, >> I can't do it. The clipboard file shows up in the pap directory >> but nothing >> happens when I paste. Possibly this is related to the problem I >> am having >> getting citations to paste to the clipboard. I sent a message to >> the list serve >> yesterday and am waiting. >> >> Quoting Raisa Deber : >> >> > > >> > This is probably blindingly obvious, but I just discovered that >> > transfers from the clipboard can indeed be two ways. I'd had no >> > problems pasting TO the clipboard to cite in manuscripts, but >> hadn't >> > realized you could also paste FROM the clipboard to Papyrus. So, >> for >> > any of you wanting to import a bit of text into a Papyrus entry, >> just >> > open Notepad, paste the text in (e.g., a title, an abstract), and >> > then save as whatever text file you're using for your clipboard (I >> > use c:]\pap\cited.txt). and close the file. You can then paste it >> > into a field from within Papyrus. You clearly wouldn't need to do >> > this if you're doing imports with a Papyrus format, but it is very >> > handy indeed when you're updating something within a particular >> entry >> > (e.g. the URL for something you got from the web.) >> > Cheers - and happy new year to all. >> > Raisa >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Raisa Deber, PhD >> > Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation >> > Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto >> > Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research >> Unit >> > (www.m-thac.org) >> > Health Sciences Building >> > 155 College Street Suite 425 >> > Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 >> > phone: (416) 978-8366 >> > fax: (416) 978-7350 >> > e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Papyrus-L mailing list >> > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l >> > >> >> >> Ann Lennarson Greer >> Professor of Sociology and Urban Studies >> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee >> Milwaukee, WI 53201-0413 >> Office: 1-414-229-6944/4388 >> Office fax: 1-414-229-4266 >> Personal fax 1-915-990-9268 >> London: 44-(0)20-7598-9894 >> UK fax: 44-(0)870-133-6305 >> Email: agreer@uwm.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> Papyrus-L mailing list >> Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l >> > > John R. Rodgers, PhD > Department of Immunology > Room M929 > Baylor College of Medicine > One Baylor Plaza > Houston, Texas 770303 > phone: 713-798-3903 > fax: 713-798-3700 > email: jrodgers@bcm.tmc.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Our knowledge is a torch of smoky pine ~ > ~ That lights the pathway but one step ahead ~ > ~ George Santayana "O World" ~ > ~ ~ > ~ ...the future can offer you infinite joy ~ > ~ and merriment. ~ > ~ Experiment, and you'll see... ~ > ~ Cole Porter "Experiment" ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l > Raisa Deber, PhD Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto Director, M-THAC (From Medicare to Home and Community) Research Unit (www.m-thac.org) Health Sciences Building 155 College Street Suite 425 Toronto, ON M5T 3M6 phone: (416) 978-8366 fax: (416) 978-7350 e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca From FPBrammer at snm.ku.dk Tue Dec 6 13:28:26 2005 From: FPBrammer at snm.ku.dk (Brammer, Frederik) Date: Tue Dec 6 13:27:47 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Special letters and Win XP Message-ID: <799C66DA26C32549B7DD8A7D9C37E4EEB5D083@home3> Dear fellow Papyrus users, I am in the process of switching from Win 98 to XP Professional (a jump!), and I have discovered some problems writing any kind of non-English letters and symbols. For example, the letter 'e' with an accent above, simply comes out as an 'e' (with no accent). I have references and other text in several European languages, including Spanish, Portuguese, German, and Danish, in my Papyrus database. But also lots in English ;-) As I have more than 10,000 references in my Papyrus database, losing the option of writing such 'special letters' (also known as diacritics) would be very bad indeed, and furthermore all such letters in my database will be changed to other letters if I don't solve the problem. I simply copied my *.bib files and the system files to the new pc, but then decided it was best to reinstall Papyrus from the web site. During the the reinstallation, I replaced old files with new ones whenever asked, but I think it was mostly library files, etc. I would be most grateful for any hints on where to find help with this, or indeed on what to do. Please reply to fpbrammer@snm.ku.dk Thanks very much in advance, Frederik From jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu Tue Dec 6 13:59:25 2005 From: jrodgers at bcm.tmc.edu (Rodgers, John R.) Date: Tue Dec 6 13:59:27 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Special letters and Win XP References: <799C66DA26C32549B7DD8A7D9C37E4EEB5D083@home3> Message-ID: <807111E286B3E1488EF8510479E087F911F9A8@BCMEVS7.ad.bcm.edu> Frederick, The ways of Papyrus in XP seem pretty mysterious. I have had no problem with the Papyrus special character set using XP. I suppose the good news there for you might be that there IS a way to make it work. But I don't know how to make it work, it just does on my machine. When you use a special character in Pap does it show up there, or is it being lost when you move to a word processor. I use both Word and WordPerfect, and it comes through fine. I hope this thread can be carried on the list-serve, though. -John Rodgers -----Original Message----- From: papyrus-l-bounces@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com on behalf of Brammer, Frederik Sent: Tue 12/6/2005 12:28 PM To: papyrus-l@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com Subject: [Papyrus-L] Special letters and Win XP Dear fellow Papyrus users, I am in the process of switching from Win 98 to XP Professional (a jump!), and I have discovered some problems writing any kind of non-English letters and symbols. For example, the letter 'e' with an accent above, simply comes out as an 'e' (with no accent). I have references and other text in several European languages, including Spanish, Portuguese, German, and Danish, in my John R. Rodgers, Ph.D. Department of Immunology Baylor College of Medicine Houston, Texas 77030 713-798-3903 fax: 713-798-3700 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ "Our knowledge is a torch of smoky pine ~ ~ That lights the pathway but one step ahead" ~ ~ George Santayana "O World" ~ ~ "...the future can offer you infinite joy ~ ~ and merriment. ~ ~ Experiment, and you'll see..." ~ ~ Cole Porter "Experiment" ~ ~ "Four to six weeks in the lab can save ~ ~ an hour in the library" ~ ~ George J. Quarderer (Dow Chem) ~ ~ cited by HS Folger (1999) The Elements of ~ ~ Chemical Reaction Engineering ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I don't > know how to make it work, it just does on my machine. When you use a > special character in Pap does it show up there, or is it being lost when > you move to a word processor. I use both Word and WordPerfect, and it > comes through fine. Fred, I suspect the issue is the default font you've installed, and how it handles special characters. (I did a quick search, and found an impassioned discussion of "diacritics" for those wishing to use other languages - in this case Arabic - and the importance of insuring that they use the right specs - the term "unicode" gets thrown around So, yes, should be very solvable. But note that text extract will also give you problems if you're using a recent version of Word - make sure you can save to Word 6/95 or you'll get a lovely array of boxes instead of text! (I've just started migrating to the Mac, so we'll see what problems I run into. Especially since this move also involves moving from Windows 2000 on my current machine to XP under the Virtual PC box. But since I plan to use the Windows box mainly for SAS - and potentially Word Perfect depending upon how well I like Office for Mac - I'm cautiously optimistic.) Hope this helps. Raisa >I hope this thread can be carried on the list-serve, though. > -John Rodgers > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: papyrus-l-bounces@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com on behalf of Brammer, >Frederik >Sent: Tue 12/6/2005 12:28 PM >To: papyrus-l@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >Subject: [Papyrus-L] Special letters and Win XP > >Dear fellow Papyrus users, > >I am in the process of switching from Win 98 to XP Professional (a jump!), >and I have discovered some problems writing any kind of non-English >letters and symbols. For example, the letter 'e' with an accent above, >simply comes out as an 'e' (with no accent). I have references and other >text in several European languages, including Spanish, Portuguese, German, >and Danish, in my > >John R. Rodgers, Ph.D. >Department of Immunology >Baylor College of Medicine >Houston, Texas 77030 >713-798-3903 >fax: 713-798-3700 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >~ "Our knowledge is a torch of smoky pine ~ >~ That lights the pathway but one step ahead" ~ >~ George Santayana "O World" ~ >~ "...the future can offer you infinite joy ~ >~ and merriment. ~ > >~ Experiment, and you'll see..." ~ >~ Cole Porter "Experiment" ~ >~ "Four to six weeks in the lab can save ~ >~ an hour in the library" ~ >~ George J. Quarderer (Dow Chem) ~ >~ cited by HS Folger (1999) The Elements of ~ >~ Chemical Reaction Engineering ~ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >_______________________________________________ >Papyrus-L mailing list >Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l Raisa B. Deber, PhD Professor Department of Health Policy, Management & Evaluation Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto 155 College St Suite 425 Toronto ON M5T 3M6 telephone: (416) 978-8366 fax: (416) 978-7350 e-mail: raisa.deber@utoronto.ca Director: M-THAC (From Medicare To Home And Community) Research Unit. www.m-thac.org From pinheiro at cchla.ufrn.br Tue Dec 6 19:45:08 2005 From: pinheiro at cchla.ufrn.br (Jose Q Pinheiro) Date: Tue Dec 6 19:43:10 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Special letters and Win XP References: <799C66DA26C32549B7DD8A7D9C37E4EEB5D083@home3> Message-ID: <43963094.7050000@cchla.ufrn.br> Dear Frederick et al., I use Papyrus in a Portuguese "environment" within Windows XP. It seems to me that the problem in generating (typing) diacritics relates to keyboard and/or language configuration of your Windows environment (of course, I am assuming your previous Win98 was somehow setup in such way). If you get help to setup the proper configuration, you'll be able to generate (depending on the kind of keyboard you're using) the letter "e" with an accent, simply by typing the sequence "'" and "e", for example. Similar procedure would apply to several other cases, such as "a" with "^" over it, etc.. Hope it helps. Regards, Jose Pinheiro (Jos? Pinheiro, if you will) Brammer, Frederik escreveu: > Dear fellow Papyrus users, > > I am in the process of switching from Win 98 to XP Professional (a jump!), and I have discovered some problems writing any kind of non-English letters and symbols. For example, the letter 'e' with an accent above, simply comes out as an 'e' (with no accent). I have references and other text in several European languages, including Spanish, Portuguese, German, and Danish, in my Papyrus database. But also lots in English ;-) As I have more than 10,000 references in my Papyrus database, losing the option of writing such 'special letters' (also known as diacritics) would be very bad indeed, and furthermore all such letters in my database will be changed to other letters if I don't solve the problem. > > I simply copied my *.bib files and the system files to the new pc, but then decided it was best to reinstall Papyrus from the web site. During the the reinstallation, I replaced old files with new ones whenever asked, but I think it was mostly library files, etc. > > I would be most grateful for any hints on where to find help with this, or indeed on what to do. > > Please reply to fpbrammer@snm.ku.dk > > Thanks very much in advance, > > Frederik > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Papyrus-L mailing list > Papyrus-L@ResearchSoftwareDesign.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/papyrus-l From bob.barrett at adelaide.edu.au Wed Dec 7 18:24:37 2005 From: bob.barrett at adelaide.edu.au (Bob Barrett) Date: Wed Dec 7 18:24:43 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Special letters and Win XP In-Reply-To: <807111E286B3E1488EF8510479E087F911F9A8@BCMEVS7.ad.bcm.edu> References: <799C66DA26C32549B7DD8A7D9C37E4EEB5D083@home3> <807111E286B3E1488EF8510479E087F911F9A8@BCMEVS7.ad.bcm.edu> Message-ID: <43976F35.3090702@adelaide.edu.au> Rodgers, John R. wrote: > Frederick, > The ways of Papyrus in XP seem pretty mysterious. I have had no > problem with the Papyrus special character set using XP. I suppose > the good news there for you > Frederick, Another way - more cumbersome - is to use Partition Magic or similar and make two operating systems on your computer. You can run PAP on a WIN98 and XP on the other. You then need to prepare the references in 98, copy to a file and re-paste to your final XP document. However, I think John is right and you should try to get XP working with Papyrus. By the way, does anyone know what the derivation of the papyrus word is? I assume it might be Assyrian for reed or ...? -- Bob Barrett Discipline of Wine & Horticulture The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph : +61 8 8303 6652, mobile 0421-337197 Fax : +61 8 83037116 e-mail: bob.barrett@adelaide.edu.au CRICOS Provider Number 00123M ----------------------------------------------------------- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. From FPBrammer at snm.ku.dk Sun Dec 11 18:10:20 2005 From: FPBrammer at snm.ku.dk (Brammer, Frederik) Date: Sun Dec 11 18:12:07 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Special letters and Win XP References: <799C66DA26C32549B7DD8A7D9C37E4EEB5D089@home3> Message-ID: <2B24E57C5A0FBF4CA26D8A317CED13C18F6497@MAILSERVER.akizci.ku.dk> Dear John, Raisa and Jos?, "When you use a special character in Pap does it show up there, or is it being lost when you move to a word processor." I have now discovered that when I list a set of references in Word for Windows format, all special characters except ? (can you read it? It is an 'o' with a so-called tilde above, used in Portuguese) come out correctly, even though they are shown incorrectly inside Papyrus! So at least all my >10,000 references from the old computer are still with the correct characters (The problem with o-tilde was the same on my Win 98 / Word 97 machine; I never found out how to solve it, but it was also so small that I could easily live with it). "Fred, I suspect the issue is the default font you've installed, and how it handles special characters. " What exactly do you mean? Installed in Papyrus, or installed in Windows XP? What can I do about it? Can anybody tell me what unicode is? Does unicode have anything to do with code page, and with my Pap/XP problem? "I use Papyrus in a Portuguese "environment" within Windows XP. It seems to me that the problem in generating (typing) diacritics relates to keyboard and/or language configuration of your Windows environment (of course, I am assuming your previous Win98 was somehow setup in such way)." Oh boy. I have a Danish keyboard, and my XP is in English. Anyway, I am sure you must be right, and will try to mess around with these things! Is your keyboard also Portuguese? "If you get help to setup the proper configuration, you'll be able to generate (depending on the kind of keyboard you're using) the letter "e" with an accent, simply by typing the sequence "'" and "e", for example. Similar procedure would apply to several other cases, such as "a" with "^" over it, etc.." Yes, these are the ways I typed all such diacritics on my old machine, except, I think, c-cedilla, which is not on the keyboard, but easy enough to copy over from Word (no clipboard difficulties..!). Actually, I can type a few diacritics (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?), but not ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, etc. So can anyone tell me how to set up the correct configuration (default font, keyboard, language of the XP environment, unicode, etc)? Thanks very much (so far) for your ideas, Frederik From U.Kellett at griffith.edu.au Sun Dec 11 19:02:12 2005 From: U.Kellett at griffith.edu.au (Ursula Kellett) Date: Sun Dec 11 19:02:22 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Ursula Kellett is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 12/12/2005 and will not return until 19/12/2005. I will respond to your message when I return. From 100341.2151 at compuserve.com Tue Dec 13 01:56:02 2005 From: 100341.2151 at compuserve.com (Derek B. Cornish) Date: Tue Dec 13 01:55:33 2005 Subject: [Papyrus-L] Viewing messages in on-line archive Message-ID: <000001c5ffb2$4addab30$0200a8c0@TPA31> [Edited version of an earlier post that didn't get posted] I've just joined the list, and an using Outlook (in plain text) as my e-mail program. I have occasional trouble viewing some of the messages in the on-line archive. This is mainly where the message is not word-wrapped at 80 columns; or where the message has only been presented in the form of an html attachment (i.e. not as plain text). In the latter case, the attachment has been "scrubbed", and I am referred to another web-page, where the message is in html mark-up form, which makes long messages very difficult to read. How do other members handle these problems? Any advice would be most welcome. Derek Cornish