From kd6kpc at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 15:12:52 2007
From: kd6kpc at comcast.net (KD6KPC)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:12:52 -0700
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
Message-ID: <000501c77948$bdc6b130$0201a8c0@mainpc>
I am having a strange issue with tone decoding. I have an NHRC-3 with a
TS-32 connected. It is working fine to decode the tone when keying the
repeater, but sending it through seems to be an issue. I am also using a GE
Mstr II radio.
I believe the tone, or at least some remnant of it. When I set my Yaesu VX-7
HT to T SQL mode, set the PL to the same tone being sent to the repeater,
the squelch is tripped when the repeater is keyed and the radio passes the
audio. The courtesy tone is suppressed, which is desirable in this case.
However, when I do the same thing with an Icom 206 mobile and a Kenwood
TM-733, I am not able to bypass the squelch. If I transmit on simplex to the
radio on the repeater's output, it works, but not going through the
repeater.
I was trying to get this function to work so that I can set up a clean
repeater link using EchoLink.
73's
Garrett Dow, KD6KPC
http://www.nwham.com
From kd6kpc at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 15:23:11 2007
From: kd6kpc at comcast.net (KD6KPC)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:23:11 -0700
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
In-Reply-To: <000501c77948$bdc6b130$0201a8c0@mainpc>
Message-ID: <000f01c7794a$31a27660$0201a8c0@mainpc>
I just conducted a second test. It is working on a Kenwood D-700 mobile.
- Garrett
-----Original Message-----
From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net] On
Behalf Of KD6KPC
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:13 PM
To: NHRC-user at nhrc.net
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
I am having a strange issue with tone decoding. I have an NHRC-3 with a
TS-32 connected. It is working fine to decode the tone when keying the
repeater, but sending it through seems to be an issue. I am also using a GE
Mstr II radio.
I believe the tone, or at least some remnant of it. When I set my Yaesu VX-7
HT to T SQL mode, set the PL to the same tone being sent to the repeater,
the squelch is tripped when the repeater is keyed and the radio passes the
audio. The courtesy tone is suppressed, which is desirable in this case.
However, when I do the same thing with an Icom 206 mobile and a Kenwood
TM-733, I am not able to bypass the squelch. If I transmit on simplex to the
radio on the repeater's output, it works, but not going through the
repeater.
I was trying to get this function to work so that I can set up a clean
repeater link using EchoLink.
73's
Garrett Dow, KD6KPC
http://www.nwham.com
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From jeff at nhrc.net Sat Apr 7 15:50:20 2007
From: jeff at nhrc.net (Jeff Otterson)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:50:20 -0400
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7794a$31a27660$0201a8c0@mainpc>
References: <000501c77948$bdc6b130$0201a8c0@mainpc>
<000f01c7794a$31a27660$0201a8c0@mainpc>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20070407154934.03464d18@mail.nhrc.net>
Most likely your CTCSS tone is getting attenuated as you pass it through
your repeater system. Some of your radios are more sensitive to the tone
than others.
You would be better off to filter out the tone on receive, then re-generate
it on transmit, injecting the tone into the transmitter's CTCSS tone input,
rather than mixed with the mic audio.
The NHRC-3 has very good frequency response, so I doubt that it is
attenuating your CTCSS tone, more likely it is the phase modulator in your
transmitter.
Can you try it with a higher frequency tone and see how it works?
Jeff
At 03:23 PM 4/7/2007, you wrote:
>I just conducted a second test. It is working on a Kenwood D-700 mobile.
>
>- Garrett
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net] On
>Behalf Of KD6KPC
>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:13 PM
>To: NHRC-user at nhrc.net
>Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
>
>
>I am having a strange issue with tone decoding. I have an NHRC-3 with a
>TS-32 connected. It is working fine to decode the tone when keying the
>repeater, but sending it through seems to be an issue. I am also using a GE
>Mstr II radio.
>
>I believe the tone, or at least some remnant of it. When I set my Yaesu VX-7
>HT to T SQL mode, set the PL to the same tone being sent to the repeater,
>the squelch is tripped when the repeater is keyed and the radio passes the
>audio. The courtesy tone is suppressed, which is desirable in this case.
>
>However, when I do the same thing with an Icom 206 mobile and a Kenwood
>TM-733, I am not able to bypass the squelch. If I transmit on simplex to the
>radio on the repeater's output, it works, but not going through the
>repeater.
>
>I was trying to get this function to work so that I can set up a clean
>repeater link using EchoLink.
>
>73's
>
>Garrett Dow, KD6KPC
>http://www.nwham.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>NHRC-user mailing list
>NHRC-user at nhrc.net http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nhrc-user
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>NHRC-user mailing list
>NHRC-user at nhrc.net
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From rwiseman at ptd.net Sat Apr 7 15:53:47 2007
From: rwiseman at ptd.net (Bob Wiseman)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:53:47 -0400
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7794a$31a27660$0201a8c0@mainpc>
References: <000f01c7794a$31a27660$0201a8c0@mainpc>
Message-ID: <4617F6CB.9090107@ptd.net>
You should really use the TS-64 if you want to pass the tone.
KD6KPC wrote:
> I just conducted a second test. It is working on a Kenwood D-700 mobile.
>
> - Garrett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net] On
> Behalf Of KD6KPC
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:13 PM
> To: NHRC-user at nhrc.net
> Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
>
>
> I am having a strange issue with tone decoding. I have an NHRC-3 with a
> TS-32 connected. It is working fine to decode the tone when keying the
> repeater, but sending it through seems to be an issue. I am also using a GE
> Mstr II radio.
>
> I believe the tone, or at least some remnant of it. When I set my Yaesu VX-7
> HT to T SQL mode, set the PL to the same tone being sent to the repeater,
> the squelch is tripped when the repeater is keyed and the radio passes the
> audio. The courtesy tone is suppressed, which is desirable in this case.
>
> However, when I do the same thing with an Icom 206 mobile and a Kenwood
> TM-733, I am not able to bypass the squelch. If I transmit on simplex to the
> radio on the repeater's output, it works, but not going through the
> repeater.
>
> I was trying to get this function to work so that I can set up a clean
> repeater link using EchoLink.
>
> 73's
>
> Garrett Dow, KD6KPC
> http://www.nwham.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NHRC-user mailing list
> NHRC-user at nhrc.net http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nhrc-user
>
>
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>
>
>
From kd6kpc at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 15:54:33 2007
From: kd6kpc at comcast.net (KD6KPC)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:54:33 -0700
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20070407154934.03464d18@mail.nhrc.net>
Message-ID: <001001c7794e$93602470$0201a8c0@mainpc>
I can. I'll try it and let you know the result.
I know when we had it up at 203.5 I could hear a buzz coming through the
repeater while the user was transmitting. I lowered it to the current tone
to eliminate the hum.
- Garrett
-----Original Message-----
From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net] On
Behalf Of Jeff Otterson
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:50 PM
To: NHRC User Community Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
Most likely your CTCSS tone is getting attenuated as you pass it through
your repeater system. Some of your radios are more sensitive to the tone
than others.
You would be better off to filter out the tone on receive, then re-generate
it on transmit, injecting the tone into the transmitter's CTCSS tone input,
rather than mixed with the mic audio.
The NHRC-3 has very good frequency response, so I doubt that it is
attenuating your CTCSS tone, more likely it is the phase modulator in your
transmitter.
Can you try it with a higher frequency tone and see how it works?
Jeff
At 03:23 PM 4/7/2007, you wrote:
>I just conducted a second test. It is working on a Kenwood D-700
>mobile.
>
>- Garrett
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net] On
>Behalf Of KD6KPC
>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:13 PM
>To: NHRC-user at nhrc.net
>Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
>
>
>I am having a strange issue with tone decoding. I have an NHRC-3 with a
>TS-32 connected. It is working fine to decode the tone when keying the
>repeater, but sending it through seems to be an issue. I am also using
>a GE Mstr II radio.
>
>I believe the tone, or at least some remnant of it. When I set my Yaesu
>VX-7 HT to T SQL mode, set the PL to the same tone being sent to the
>repeater, the squelch is tripped when the repeater is keyed and the
>radio passes the audio. The courtesy tone is suppressed, which is
>desirable in this case.
>
>However, when I do the same thing with an Icom 206 mobile and a Kenwood
>TM-733, I am not able to bypass the squelch. If I transmit on simplex
>to the radio on the repeater's output, it works, but not going through
>the repeater.
>
>I was trying to get this function to work so that I can set up a clean
>repeater link using EchoLink.
>
>73's
>
>Garrett Dow, KD6KPC
>http://www.nwham.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>NHRC-user mailing list
>NHRC-user at nhrc.net http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nhrc-user
>
>
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From pjohannik at starband.net Sat Apr 7 15:57:18 2007
From: pjohannik at starband.net (Patrick Johannik)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:57:18 -0600
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7794a$31a27660$0201a8c0@mainpc>
Message-ID: <001e01c7794e$f3b3b800$8f01a8c0@patrick>
Are you by any chance using the PL filter. I have an NHRC-4 and was just
passing the PL from the mobile through the controller, and it worked fine.
I did have to make the jumper was not in for the filter. I am not sure if
the 3 has a built in filter. A better way to do it is, to use a stand alone
encoder and use the COS from the GE to trigger the encode put tying it to
the PTT input of the encoder. This way it will only encode with a valid
signal from the GE, instead of keying from the controller ids.
Pat
N5BBD
IRLP 3409 Echolink 249171
-----Original Message-----
From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net] On
Behalf Of KD6KPC
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:23 PM
To: 'NHRC User Community Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
I just conducted a second test. It is working on a Kenwood D-700 mobile.
- Garrett
-----Original Message-----
From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net] On
Behalf Of KD6KPC
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:13 PM
To: NHRC-user at nhrc.net
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
I am having a strange issue with tone decoding. I have an NHRC-3 with a
TS-32 connected. It is working fine to decode the tone when keying the
repeater, but sending it through seems to be an issue. I am also using a GE
Mstr II radio.
I believe the tone, or at least some remnant of it. When I set my Yaesu VX-7
HT to T SQL mode, set the PL to the same tone being sent to the repeater,
the squelch is tripped when the repeater is keyed and the radio passes the
audio. The courtesy tone is suppressed, which is desirable in this case.
However, when I do the same thing with an Icom 206 mobile and a Kenwood
TM-733, I am not able to bypass the squelch. If I transmit on simplex to the
radio on the repeater's output, it works, but not going through the
repeater.
I was trying to get this function to work so that I can set up a clean
repeater link using EchoLink.
73's
Garrett Dow, KD6KPC
http://www.nwham.com
_______________________________________________
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From kd6kpc at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 16:54:54 2007
From: kd6kpc at comcast.net (KD6KPC)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:54:54 -0700
Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
In-Reply-To: <4617F6CB.9090107@ptd.net>
Message-ID: <001801c77956$fed41a10$0201a8c0@mainpc>
I may upgrade to the TS-64. However, I changed the tone to 123.0 and it is
working to send the tone to my ICOM 206, which is operating as an EchoLink
linking radio. It is not working to send the tone to my Kenwood TM-733 that
I am using as a base. But since my intention was to filter out the repeater
IDer and other non-user sent audio, this solution seems to be working for
now.
Thanks again for the suggestion to move the tone frequency.
- Garrett Dow, KD6KPC
-----Original Message-----
From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Wiseman
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:54 PM
To: NHRC User Community Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
You should really use the TS-64 if you want to pass the tone.
KD6KPC wrote:
> I just conducted a second test. It is working on a Kenwood D-700
> mobile.
>
> - Garrett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-bounces at nhrc.net]
> On Behalf Of KD6KPC
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:13 PM
> To: NHRC-user at nhrc.net
> Subject: [NHRC-user] CTCSS
>
>
> I am having a strange issue with tone decoding. I have an NHRC-3 with
> a TS-32 connected. It is working fine to decode the tone when keying
> the repeater, but sending it through seems to be an issue. I am also
> using a GE Mstr II radio.
>
> I believe the tone, or at least some remnant of it. When I set my
> Yaesu VX-7 HT to T SQL mode, set the PL to the same tone being sent to
> the repeater, the squelch is tripped when the repeater is keyed and
> the radio passes the audio. The courtesy tone is suppressed, which is
> desirable in this case.
>
> However, when I do the same thing with an Icom 206 mobile and a
> Kenwood TM-733, I am not able to bypass the squelch. If I transmit on
> simplex to the radio on the repeater's output, it works, but not going
> through the repeater.
>
> I was trying to get this function to work so that I can set up a clean
> repeater link using EchoLink.
>
> 73's
>
> Garrett Dow, KD6KPC
> http://www.nwham.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NHRC-user mailing list
> NHRC-user at nhrc.net http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nhrc-user
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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