[Coco] OS-9 Library generation

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 13 May 2015 01:20:04 Bill Pierce via Coco wrote:
> First, I apologize to the group for this post, but it must be done.
> Fire me, ban me, or put me up on a pedestle.
>
> Stephen, let me make myself perfectly clear I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE
> ANYTHING STANDARD!!! Quit reading things into my posts that are NOT
> said. you asked what compiler I was using so I told you, now you want
> to make an issue out of what I KNOW works for me... I do not advise
> people to use my compiler system, I just let them know it's there if
> they want to try it. As for you finding ANYTHING on your disks... GOOD
> LUCK with that! I could care less.
>
> Stephen, it never fails, when someone mentions something about NitrOS9
> and you make some form of derogatory comments and start calling names.
> I for one am SICK and TIRED of seeing it. The only person who screwed
> up YOUR OS9 is YOU! NO ONE EVER told you to change a thing you were or
> are(??) using. If you changed something, then only you did that.
> NitrOS9 is NOT OS9 of 1989 and NEVER proposed to be. It was born of
> people wanting a faster, more stable version of OS9, and it has FAR
> surpassed it's original goal, regardless of your opinion of it. If you
> were happy with 1989 OS9 THEN USE IT. All the patches are on RTSI.
>
> I could CARE LESS of your opinion of the NitrOS9 development or the
> people who do so. Until you can contribute with more than bitching and
> moaning about what other people are working hard to do, then I think
> it's best to keep your opinions to yourself. For the most part, they
> are unappreciated and unwanted.
>
> You no longer even use OS9 and it's been how many years since you
> booted up a new version of NitrOS9?..... But yet you seem to know
> every bug that's there. I use NitrOS9 EVERY DAY and compile software
> EVERY DAY, and build a fresh copy of NitrOS9 from the repository at
> least monthly, and feel your antiquated source of knowledge to be as
> useless as a 1939 set of Compton's encyclopedias... Old, outdated and
> full of rumor and unproven theory.
>
> There's a reason you get banned from forums and people lock you out of
> their FTPs, and you continue to prove it just about every time you
> post something.
>
> BTW... "merge" was a STANDARD command on every MW OS9 release 
> including Level 1. If it's not on your disks, then you didnt' copy it
> from the masters. "Cat" was available in several forms from both
> Delphi and CIS as well as on the OS9UG disks, it was on most BBSs and
> is currently on RTSI. Cat was a standard on no-coco OS9 as it's a port
> of a Unix command. There are even RSDOS BASIC versions of Cat that
> have been around since the beginning.
>
> Stephen, Get a life, but stay the hell out of mine and my posts!
>
> "Stephen H. Fisher" now Ignored <click><bam><done> (finally!).
>
> Again, I apologize to the group for this post, but I think I speak for
> a few if not many of us. If not? So be it. I would've sent it to
> Stephen private, but he would've re-posted it publically here and/or
> on facebook like he does everything else. So I posted it publically so
> I know it is in full content and not in part and taken out of context.
>
Bravo! Well said Bill. I haven't seen any of Stephens posts in several 
months, he is just a background noise that hasn't made sense, changing 
the subject etc and never replying to a straight put question.  I still 
see the backsplatter of course.  Mailfilter can be a handy tool. :)

> Bill Pierce
> "Charlie stole the handle, and the train it won't stop going, no way
> to slow down!" - Ian Anderson - Jethro Tull
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, May 13, 2015 12:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Coco] OS-9 Library generation
>
>
> I do not see either "merge" or "cat" in CMDS for my last OS-9 Level-II
> system. (1/11/1993)
>
> OS9GEN may have been the only option back in 1986 but as you say a
> 40 mm cannon for very simple merges.
>
> Not everything on CI$ made it to Delphi.
> The OS-9 Level-II new files were few and far between at the end when
> the Delphi OS-9 forum was heavily dominated by the OSK folks. (Was CI$
> also?)
> -----------------------------------
>
> I would like to hear Willard's
> comments about what you want to make standard.
>
> I was trying to make it easier
> for the first time "C" programmer and present it similar to what Tandy
> offered. I hope you will add your "new" (Very few changes / additions)
> to "my" C Compiler project as a .dsk file.
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> One of my goals
> that the inverse appears to be the dominate goal of others is to make
> it as simple as possible for new users.
>
> Yes you may have a fast great system but
> think about the new user who opens up the OS-9 Manual and the "C"
> Compiler disk and is told about your system and they do not match at
> all.
>
> Give up, perhaps
> CoCo OS-9 is not the best option for
> them.
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> I have been thinking where OS-9
> people could ask questions and get help.
>
> YES, OS-9. I have an unproven theory
> that there are very many out there.
>
> 1) [CoCo], too much NitrOS-9 dominated.
>
>
> 2) http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/ also too much NitrOS-9 dominated.
>
> 3)
> Facebook, too many pictures of what was just found. Way too much
> traffic and not archived which was just now a discussion on Facebook.
>
> 4) Another Forum that was
> just started? Needs to be looked at to see if that might be the way to
> go.
>
> Problems, cutting the [CoConut] pie into more pieces.
>
> I just can't handle
> any more projects.
>
> SHF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Pierce via
> Coco" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Cc: "Bill Pierce"
> <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco]
> OS-9 Library generation
>
>
> ...
>
> > The components to my current C compiler are
>
> listed and well documented on my website on the "MJK C Compiler
> System" page.
>
> I have currently discontinued use of c.prep19b, and reverted back to
> the old MW c.prep because c.prep19b pukes on very long lines in the
> sources and allocated memory was cut to make room for features (it's
> in the docs). The changes made in my C system are as follows:
>
> ...
>
> > Bill Pierce
> > "Charlie stole the handle,
>
> and the train it won't stop going, no way to slow down!" - Ian
> Anderson - Jethro Tull
>
> > My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>
> > Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for
>
> CocoPedia
>
> > http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> > Global Moderator
>
> for TRS-80/Tandy Color Computer Forums
>
> > http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/
>
> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
>
> > To: CoCoList for Color
>
> Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>
> > Sent: Tue, May 12, 2015 9:52 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] OS-9 Library generation
>
> > You have the 40mm cannon
>
> pointed in the wrong direction.
>
> > The routine I used
> > to split the library I
>
> think also wrote a text file with the names of the
>
> > modules in the library.
> >
> >
> > Facing doing a merge of 40 - 70 modules and perhaps
> > doing it with several
>
> merges hopefully using a ShellPlus script was something
>
> > that could not be done
>
> successfully even with a list of the modules in the
>
> > proper order. That was the
>
> 40mm cannon pointing at the project.
>
> > As I was
> > building System disks using
>
> OS9GEN and could edit text files at that point the
>
> > OS9GEN solution presented
>
> itself and worked quite nicely.
>
> > All I needed to do
> > was to change one
>
> number in the "abort" module so the entire program I was
>
> > trying to fix was
>
> included in the "Core" dump.
>
> > The bug made the "core" dump
> > short by one
>
> (1).  Thus constant problems looking at the "Core" dump and the
>
> > C.Link
>
> generated loader map. (WHAT? C.Link generates loader maps!)
>
> > I doubt if
>
> you care but I have attached Abort.zip to this e-mail. Dated 7/1/1986.
>
> > I
>
> am
>
> > unsure if the fix is in this file but every library in use "may"
> > have this
>
> bug
>
> > except the ones I made and used.
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > I do
>
> not think
>
> > "Make" was on my radar at that point but if the entire library
>
> needed to be
>
> > assembled / compiled Make would be the only way to go. I started
>
> using "Make" as
>
> > soon as I saw it.
> >
> > It's the use of OS9GEN with the file
>
> list in a simple text
>
> > file was what I wanted to add.
>
> ------------------------
>
> > The second phase
> > of the C Complier project that
>
> I never finished was for lack of directions from
>
> > any direction for what to
>
> include.
>
> > You perhaps are doing that phase, one that
> > needs to be done.
>
> There are way too many versions of libs available and no clear
>
> > instructions.
> >
> >
> > Willard just listed all the libraries available and I did not
> > figure out a
>
> plan.
>
> > http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=528#p528
>
> Adding your final .dsk(s) and how you chose what to include would make
> the
>
> project complete.
>
> > SHF
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill
>
> Pierce
>
> > via Coco" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Cc:
>
> "Bill Pierce"
>
> > <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:28 PM
>
> Subject: Re:
> > [Coco] OS-9 Library generation
> >
> >> Stephen, I using sources
>
> to make "new"
>
> > libraries, not fix old ones. So your 40mm cannon to kill a mouse
>
> technique is
>
> > useless. A makefile is much simpler and more efficient.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Pierce
>
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