[Coco] DW & VCC

Sat Jan 24 08:01:15 EST 2015

Bill, 

Thank you for all the help.  Your doc on VCC/Becker port helped me out and I installed xroar with your link, I like it’s artifacts much better than VCC.  

Keep up the awesome work on all things coco - there are some of us who really appreciate it all.

Regards,
Aldo

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 7:05 AM, Brian Blake <random.rodder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> There are some people who think they know it all, want everything their
> way,  and there's no way you'll ever make them happy. Personally, I prefer
> to give my support to people who are actually making new products;
> (hardware and software) extending the abilities of the CoCo. Not the ones
> who complain about other people's hard work from a soapbox.
> 
> You're better off just ignoring the complainers.
> 
> For the record, I'm one of the guys responsible for 100's of mostly windows
> PC's in an enterprise environment - UAC does me few favors at all - which
> its why its disabled. Sometimes Microsoft's 'best practices' are a huge
> roadblock to productivity. As the old adage goes,  there's morethan one way
> to skin a cat. We have the appropriate security appliances and appropriate
> software in place to guard our network and the proper permissions on user
> accounts - UAC is not wanted or needed by me and 1000's in my field. Just
> because it's on Microsoft's MSDN doesn't mean anyone requested it.
> 
> So instead of criticizing others hard work, and acting like the patron
> saint of Microsoft Security, let's get back to CoCoing.... yes Stephen,
> that was for you.
> On Jan 23, 2015 10:21 PM, "Bill Pierce via Coco" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stephen, The Vcc Starter kit IS one installer that uses the standard Inno
>> installer used by hundreds of thousands of programs (including Mercurial).
>> It installs the programs, (all necessary) Vcc, DW 4, the Manuals, & the
>> VHDs. All programs are installed to the "programs" folder as windows
>> requires, and all others are installed to the "documents" folder as
>> required by windows.If you had a problem, it was with YOUR system and not
>> the installer. If you don't like it, DON'T USE IT.
>> No one forced you to do anything, there were prompts explaining EXACTLY
>> what is installed and options to change what and where it was installed.
>> Not only that, the installer clearly shows the sizes of EVERY file before
>> it installs them giving you multiple chances to cancel or omit anything you
>> don't need or want. If it asked you for permission and you ddin't want to
>> give it... then why did you?
>> Then you complained about the size.... It clearly states the sizes on the
>> website and that they are large. I also stated it in the release
>> announcements when I released them.
>> No one else has had the problems you had, at least not that I know of. I
>> think there was one problem with getting dw4 connected and that was
>> resolved. Everyone else that tried it had nothing but compliments. Had
>> there been problems like you describe, I would've pulled them from my site
>> to begin with. As it is, I'm getting ready to do a 2nd edition with updated
>> files and expanding the kits to include the installers for the real Coco
>> systems and not just the emulators.
>> The "Starter Kit" was designed with those in mind who had NO knowledge of
>> setting such a system up... A one install "turnkey" system that keeps a
>> user from having to jump from website to website to find all the parts. I
>> would think someone of your integrity wouldn't have needed it to start with
>> since you already know more than most.
>> 
>> 
>> Bill Pierce
>> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>> 
>> 
>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 9:06 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC
>> 
>> 
>> It is actually worse.
>> 
>> He is forcing others to turn UAC off if they want to use his work.
>> 
>> The biggest problem is that it is all unnecessary.
>> 
>> For example, the VCC / DW quick start package I downloaded ran an installer
>> twice (Which I each had to give permission to continue).
>> 
>> The only need was ONE installer for VCC which is what was needed before.
>> 
>> I reversed the mess with system restore, but not completely.
>> 
>> The third CoCo item on my list to do is to document where to put items
>> like he
>> is supplying.
>> 
>> In reading my thread "Windows programming then and now" I realized that
>> where to
>> put items was not covered.
>> 
>> http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=46
>> 
>> Here are links to "Developer Best Practices and Guidelines for
>> Applications in a
>> Least Privileged Environment".
>> 
>> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480150.aspx
>> 
>> There may be other interesting information here:
>> 
>> 
>> Http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/797208-welcome-myhd-windows-vista-w7-w8-w10-main-thread-9627016.html
>> 
>> SHF
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave G4UGM" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Bill Pierce'" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>; <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC
>> 
>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It appears you do know what you are doing and why. However you advised
>> folks
>>> to turn UAC off without warning them of the consequences. I am fine with
>>> folks turning UAC off if they really need to and know what they are
>> doing. I
>>> am not fine with folks turning UAC off because someone has told them it's
>>> the only way to get something to work. Generally it is not, most here are
>>> not running special music recording systems.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not sure BTW why you would need a copy of server, unless you need the
>> extra
>>> RAM support. Its pretty much the same as Vista/7/8. It now comes with
>>> Indexing enabled, firewall on, auto update enabled, and perhaps
>> surprisingly
>>> UAC is also enabled by default. You would have to do much the same
>> stripping
>>> if that's what you needed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Bill Pierce [mailto:ooogalapasooo at aol.com]
>>> Sent: 23 January 2015 17:37
>>> To: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com; coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I sent this to Dave privately by mistake so I'm reposting it to the list:
>>> 
>>> Dave, I understand what UAC is supposed to do, but it doesn't do it
>> well. It
>>> may work on the average user's system, but my system sees very little
>>> "average" use.
>>> 
>>> This computer is my main computer for my recording studio and to have to
>>> screw with making sure directories and files have proper permissions can
>> be
>>> a big hassle and cost me money (in down time).
>>> 
>>> I can't even have window's "Indexing" on or it can ruin a recording
>> session
>>> by trying to index a wav file while I'm playing 20-30 wav files and
>>> recording another 8 wavs simultaneously. Then to have windows make "temp"
>>> copies of these 25-250 meg files all over my system is ridiculous.
>>> 
>>> In researching the pro audio recording techniques for digital computer
>>> multitrack recording, EVERY producer/engineer/mixer/masterer advises that
>>> all forms of UAC, indexing, and most security features be turned off
>> (which
>>> they do warn of the risk). All the pro audio computers sold by companies
>>> specializing in pro audio systems (6,8,10,20 core systems in $3k - $10k
>>> range) come configured this way. Basically, anything taking CPU time or
>>> accessing drives while recording is shut off. When recording 8-16-24
>> tracks
>>> of individual uncompressed wavs simultaneously, the computer is taxed to
>> the
>>> max and sometimes beyond (AMD quad core).
>>> 
>>> On my old system, I was running Win Server 2003 which was stripped to the
>>> core. Since this system came with 64-bit Vista Home Premium and I
>> couldn't
>>> afford a new 64 bit Win Server installation, I stripped it down as much
>> as
>>> possible (Classic interface, none of the "pretty" translucent stuff, no
>>> retail bull crap included with the install)
>>> 
>>> I even make anyone in the studio while recording to turn off their cell
>>> phones as even the cell phone doing an "auto update", not to mention
>>> annoying calls, can cause RF interference and make the system "buzz" no
>>> matter how much "RF filtering" I do. There's just too much sensitive
>> digital
>>> gear in the room all connected to the computer, from a 40 track mixing
>>> console to 3 racks of digital processors/effects to MIDI controlled amps
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> The last thing I need is to be recording the vocalist's 50th take (5-8
>> hours
>>> into recording at $25/hour) in which he's finally getting that one part
>>> right and the recording glitches due to some "security" feature accessing
>>> the drive in the background and have to tell the vocalist that it was a
>> bad
>>> take and he/she must do it again... I'd lose business quick and in a
>> hurry.
>>> Been there, done that, didn't even get a tie-died T-shirt, instead, I got
>>> fired.
>>> 
>>> I have run all my computers this way for 15 years and have only had 2
>>> incidents of invasion and both were my fault.
>>> 
>>> I have other means of protection that use much less of my computer's
>>> resources and don't interrupt my system. And besides, my router has a
>>> firewall, my Sat modem has a firewall, and my ISP has a firewall.... No
>> need
>>> to insult them :-)
>>> 
>>> "Re-open doors they closed"? That's exactly what I intended to do. MS
>> has a
>>> tendency to close doors I need wide open.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bill Pierce
>>> 
>>> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>>> 
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>>> 
>>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>>> 
>>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>>> 
>>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com <mailto:ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave G4UGM <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com <mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> >
>>> To: 'Bill Pierce' <ooogalapasooo at aol.com <mailto:ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
>>> ;
>>> 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' <coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> <mailto:coco at maltedmedia.com> >
>>> Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 11:34 am
>>> Subject: RE: [Coco] DW & VCC
>>> 
>>> "UAC is useless under those conditions."
>>> 
>>> Actually UAC is really designed to protect people running as
>> Administrator
>>> with
>>> a single account. If you PC is internet connected UAC will provide
>> limited
>>> protection against stuff you download running as administrator and
>>> hi-jacking
>>> your PC. If you can store data files outside "program files" then you
>> won't
>>> have
>>> so many issues. If all the data is in a particular folder in "Program
>> files"
>>> 
>>> consider giving yourself permissions to the folder. You can also run
>> things
>>> from
>>> an elevated command prompt.
>>> 
>>> Simply turning off UAC re-opens the doors it closed.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> G4UGM
>>> 
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