[Coco] DW & VCC

Fri Jan 23 22:20:53 EST 2015

Stephen, The Vcc Starter kit IS one installer that uses the standard Inno installer used by hundreds of thousands of programs (including Mercurial). It installs the programs, (all necessary) Vcc, DW 4, the Manuals, & the VHDs. All programs are installed to the "programs" folder as windows requires, and all others are installed to the "documents" folder as required by windows.If you had a problem, it was with YOUR system and not the installer. If you don't like it, DON'T USE IT.
No one forced you to do anything, there were prompts explaining EXACTLY what is installed and options to change what and where it was installed. Not only that, the installer clearly shows the sizes of EVERY file before it installs them giving you multiple chances to cancel or omit anything you don't need or want. If it asked you for permission and you ddin't want to give it... then why did you?
Then you complained about the size.... It clearly states the sizes on the website and that they are large. I also stated it in the release announcements when I released them.
No one else has had the problems you had, at least not that I know of. I think there was one problem with getting dw4 connected and that was resolved. Everyone else that tried it had nothing but compliments. Had there been problems like you describe, I would've pulled them from my site to begin with. As it is, I'm getting ready to do a 2nd edition with updated files and expanding the kits to include the installers for the real Coco systems and not just the emulators.
The "Starter Kit" was designed with those in mind who had NO knowledge of setting such a system up... A one install "turnkey" system that keeps a user from having to jump from website to website to find all the parts. I would think someone of your integrity wouldn't have needed it to start with since you already know more than most.

Bill Pierce
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC

It is actually worse. 

He is forcing others to turn UAC off if they want to use his work. 

The biggest problem is that it is all unnecessary. 

For example, the VCC / DW quick start package I downloaded ran an installer 
twice (Which I each had to give permission to continue). 

The only need was ONE installer for VCC which is what was needed before. 

I reversed the mess with system restore, but not completely. 

The third CoCo item on my list to do is to document where to put items like he 
is supplying.

In reading my thread "Windows programming then and now" I realized that where to 
put items was not covered.

http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=46

Here are links to "Developer Best Practices and Guidelines for Applications in a 
Least Privileged Environment".

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480150.aspx

There may be other interesting information here:

Http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/797208-welcome-myhd-windows-vista-w7-w8-w10-main-thread-9627016.html

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave G4UGM" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
To: "'Bill Pierce'" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>; <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC

> Bill,
> 
> 
> 
> It appears you do know what you are doing and why. However you advised folks
> to turn UAC off without warning them of the consequences. I am fine with
> folks turning UAC off if they really need to and know what they are doing. I
> am not fine with folks turning UAC off because someone has told them it's
> the only way to get something to work. Generally it is not, most here are
> not running special music recording systems.
> 
> 
> 
> Not sure BTW why you would need a copy of server, unless you need the extra
> RAM support. Its pretty much the same as Vista/7/8. It now comes with
> Indexing enabled, firewall on, auto update enabled, and perhaps surprisingly
> UAC is also enabled by default. You would have to do much the same stripping
> if that's what you needed.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bill Pierce [mailto:ooogalapasooo at aol.com] 
> Sent: 23 January 2015 17:37
> To: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com; coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC
> 
> 
> 
> I sent this to Dave privately by mistake so I'm reposting it to the list:
> 
> Dave, I understand what UAC is supposed to do, but it doesn't do it well. It
> may work on the average user's system, but my system sees very little
> "average" use.
> 
> This computer is my main computer for my recording studio and to have to
> screw with making sure directories and files have proper permissions can be
> a big hassle and cost me money (in down time).
> 
> I can't even have window's "Indexing" on or it can ruin a recording session
> by trying to index a wav file while I'm playing 20-30 wav files and
> recording another 8 wavs simultaneously. Then to have windows make "temp"
> copies of these 25-250 meg files all over my system is ridiculous.
> 
> In researching the pro audio recording techniques for digital computer
> multitrack recording, EVERY producer/engineer/mixer/masterer advises that
> all forms of UAC, indexing, and most security features be turned off (which
> they do warn of the risk). All the pro audio computers sold by companies
> specializing in pro audio systems (6,8,10,20 core systems in $3k - $10k
> range) come configured this way. Basically, anything taking CPU time or
> accessing drives while recording is shut off. When recording 8-16-24 tracks
> of individual uncompressed wavs simultaneously, the computer is taxed to the
> max and sometimes beyond (AMD quad core).
> 
> On my old system, I was running Win Server 2003 which was stripped to the
> core. Since this system came with 64-bit Vista Home Premium and I couldn't
> afford a new 64 bit Win Server installation, I stripped it down as much as
> possible (Classic interface, none of the "pretty" translucent stuff, no
> retail bull crap included with the install)
> 
> I even make anyone in the studio while recording to turn off their cell
> phones as even the cell phone doing an "auto update", not to mention
> annoying calls, can cause RF interference and make the system "buzz" no
> matter how much "RF filtering" I do. There's just too much sensitive digital
> gear in the room all connected to the computer, from a 40 track mixing
> console to 3 racks of digital processors/effects to MIDI controlled amps
> etc.
> 
> The last thing I need is to be recording the vocalist's 50th take (5-8 hours
> into recording at $25/hour) in which he's finally getting that one part
> right and the recording glitches due to some "security" feature accessing
> the drive in the background and have to tell the vocalist that it was a bad
> take and he/she must do it again... I'd lose business quick and in a hurry.
> Been there, done that, didn't even get a tie-died T-shirt, instead, I got
> fired.
> 
> I have run all my computers this way for 15 years and have only had 2
> incidents of invasion and both were my fault.
> 
> I have other means of protection that use much less of my computer's
> resources and don't interrupt my system. And besides, my router has a
> firewall, my Sat modem has a firewall, and my ISP has a firewall.... No need
> to insult them :-)
> 
> "Re-open doors they closed"? That's exactly what I intended to do. MS has a
> tendency to close doors I need wide open.
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Pierce
> 
> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3 
> 
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave G4UGM <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com <mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> >
> To: 'Bill Pierce' <ooogalapasooo at aol.com <mailto:ooogalapasooo at aol.com> >;
> 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' <coco at maltedmedia.com
> <mailto:coco at maltedmedia.com> >
> Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 11:34 am
> Subject: RE: [Coco] DW & VCC
> 
> "UAC is useless under those conditions."
> 
> Actually UAC is really designed to protect people running as Administrator
> with 
> a single account. If you PC is internet connected UAC will provide limited 
> protection against stuff you download running as administrator and
> hi-jacking 
> your PC. If you can store data files outside "program files" then you won't
> have 
> so many issues. If all the data is in a particular folder in "Program files"
> 
> consider giving yourself permissions to the folder. You can also run things
> from 
> an elevated command prompt.
> 
> Simply turning off UAC re-opens the doors it closed.
> 
> Dave
> G4UGM
> 
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