[Coco] Ownership of NitOS-9

Thu Nov 6 16:40:25 EST 2014

before someone comments: I know how to change the term colors, but it's not
practical since you have to cobbler and reboot again.... :P

Luis Felipe Antoniosi

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) <
retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The first os9 user frustration comes from the inability to change the
> shell background color and the fact that black over green is not a good
> choice when most of the people use monochrome.
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> The second frustration is that everything you want to run needs a
> different setup: sierra games needs vdg drivers, multivue needs win
> drivers, and you end up without memory soon.
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> Luis Felipe Antoniosi
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> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:59 PM, <nickma2 at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I agree with what you say. Everyone's machine is different. That's why
>> OS-9 needs an easy to use way for each user to create a system that
>> suits their hardware setup.
>>
>> Something anyone can use comfortably without needing to be a seasoned
>> OS-9 veteran.
>>
>> Can you see what I'm saying?
>>
>> If a newbie struggles to even be able to setup his OS, what impression
>> does that leave after hours of frustration?
>>
>> If that newbie could simply run OSCONFIG (or whatever) and be
>> presented with some menu system where he picks his hardware components
>> and it does all the work of fetching the drivers from a repository on
>> another disk, leaving him with a finished OS at the end, wouldn't he
>> walk away feeling impressed with the system? That's the true power of
>> an OS, it being able to act intelligently on your behalf and allowing
>> the user to "get on with the job".
>>
>> Because there is so much diversity in hardware, all the more reason
>> for the need for this sort of "polish".
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> "CoCoList for Color
>> Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> To:<coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Cc:
>> Sent:Wed, 5 Nov 2014 17:21:14 -0500
>> Subject:Re: [Coco] Ownership of NitOS-9
>>
>>  Nick... what you have to realize and remember about Nitros9... is
>> that my system is NOT like yours, and yours is NOT like Gene's and
>> Gene's is NOT like Robert's....
>>  I doubt any given system by any two people one this list are the
>> same. There's different drivers for different hardware, and different
>> hardware for different needs.
>>  To say something is wrong with Nitros9 because you were trying to use
>> the wrong access method is the very reason OS9 got a bad name in the
>> beginning. In the past 30 years of working in OS9, I have found that
>> 99.99% of the complaints I've seen/heard/solved were user's mistakes.
>>  There is no way in a distribution of a product like Nitros9 that you
>> can anticipate the user's hardware and build "one system" that will
>> work for everybody... your SDC boot would crash badly on my Dw4 or B&B
>> systems.
>>  That has been the boon of OS9 from the beginning... not a lack of
>> proper drivers.... but a lack of "standard" hardware. Nitros9 as it
>> stands today, with someone with the knowledge to set their system up
>> correctly, is the most stable build of OS9 i've ever run.... BAR NONE.
>> Polish??? Personally, I think it's damned shiney already...
>>  First... know your hardware... research the drivers for that
>> harware... they're all in the repo... then set up a system using the
>> proper drivers for YOUR system. That is really the hardest step in
>> OS9... getting the boot right for your system.
>>  The SDC (from what I understand) was meant to replace the floppy
>> disk... and maybe even the hard drive. I've no real knowledge of how
>> it works until I have one which will not be anytime soon as I cannot
>> afford it. But again.... the word "Documentation" comes in. I've seen
>> the SDC website, but I don't believe the product has any docs..... A
>> product with this much power should have RSDOS and OS9 docs explaining
>> exactly how to set it up and run it. I may be wrong and Darren may
>> have provided documentation... if so, sorry for mentioning it. But
>> it's common at this time for everyone creating all this great
>> hardware/software and no Docs.... then the questions come... and the
>> vague answers... and more questions.... Pretty soon, people just give
>> up.
>>  As I said before... I've been doing this 30 years and I still learn
>> something new every day :-)
>>
>>  Bill Pierce
>>  "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
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