[Coco] l2update and bbs dsk images in nitros9 source tree
L. Curtis Boyle
curtisboyle at sasktel.net
Mon Feb 10 12:04:32 EST 2014
Yes, and the Windint code had a lot of extra stuff. I found the Filled Circle/Ellipse commands added to the display command table. But there was a lot of stuff in there that I don't think we completely figured out (not surprising, since it was about 1.5K larger than the original).
L. Curtis Boyle
curtisboyle at sasktel.net
On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Bill Nobel <b_nobel at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I do remember this Curt as when we originally disassembled the SCF code from the TC-9 I discovered the Fillbuff code that we eventualy implemented to it’s full extent.
>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, L. Curtis Boyle <curtisboyle at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
>> I have no idea... I haven't seen him in over a decade.
>>
>> L. Curtis Boyle
>> curtisboyle at sasktel.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> @ Curtis,
>>> You wouldn't by any chance know if Kevin is still living in North Carolina do you? I know in the Coco days, he was in Raleigh, NC. If he's still in NC and does have the sources, I might could get up with him personally. I'm ocassionally near Raleigh quite often. Even though I'm in Wilmington NC, my hometown is Rocky Mount NC which is about 20-30 minutes from Raleigh. I'm in that area uite often visiting relatives.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Pierce
>>> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>>>
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: L. Curtis Boyle <curtisboyle at sasktel.net>
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:40 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] l2update and bbs dsk images in nitros9 source tree
>>>
>>>
>>> The original commercial version of NitrOS-9 did contain a manual that described
>>> anything new we had added (new Set/GetStat calls, etc.). When we decided to make
>>> it free, I know both Alan and I would have some sort of release notes with each
>>> version (or new module) that stated what extra things were added (as well as bug
>>> fixes, etc.). We also sometimes put the notes up as webpages (you can see an
>>> example from my original web page through the Internet Archive wayback machine:
>>> http://web.archive.org/web/20020413224533/http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~af960/NitrOS9.html
>>> )
>>>
>>> Bill and I received the "accidental" level 2 upgrade modules after we were far
>>> into the NitrOS9 project... and with no documentation at all. We did start to
>>> disassemble the Windint/Grfdrv modules (we noticed the 3d look was in it), but
>>> we later abandoned it in favor of keeping NitrOS9 going in the direction it
>>> already was going, which was to speed things up as much as possible (Level 2
>>> version 3, while adding a lot of new features, is/was way slower than NitrOS9
>>> was even at that earlier stage).
>>>
>>> I did end up adding a couple of things that we had figured out (filled circle
>>> and filled ellipse DISPLAY commands being 2 that I remember), and I think Alan
>>> may have done a few too, but we never did finish disassembling what parts we had
>>> to figure out what else had been added, and we never did have all of it (until
>>> Brother Jeremy got it later). I do know that in order to fit all the new stuff,
>>> plus the stuff we added/optomized, that GRFDRV would likely have had to expand
>>> to 16K to fit it all in. Of course, the level II upgrade stuff that was released
>>> independently by Kevin Darling (RBF undelete, Christmas GRFDRV patch, SCF
>>> in-line editing, etc.) prior to NitrOS9's development are all included, so any
>>> documentation from those is still applicable. As a side note - we also wanted to
>>> implement Chris Dekker's additional stuff that he had in his own package; this
>>> included double-wide/double-high fonts and other goodies that are not in NitrOS9
>>> or the Level II upgrade. Again, we were well along with NitrOS9 by the time we
>>> saw it, and (particularly in GRFDRV) running out of room.
>>>
>>> I know Alan sped up pipes drastically, and he was working on getting named pipes
>>> (from what I understand, Chris Burke did the Level II upgrade version), but I
>>> can't remember if he finished them or not.
>>>
>>> I agree that somebody who is still active in NitrOS9 should (at the very least)
>>> make a document of everything that has been added from stock Level II and,
>>> ultimately (although it is a huge project), update the existing Level II
>>> documentation with all the new stuff.
>>>
>>> I really hope Boisy, or Mark, etc. can convince Kevin to get them the source to
>>> the Level II upgrade... it would make trying to add those features much easier
>>> (vs. finishing disassembling/documenting everything... and we are still not sure
>>> we have everything. I distinctly remember Kevin mentioning at one point at one
>>> of the Fests that even Brother Jeremy's version wasn't the absolute latest).
>>>
>>> L. Curtis Boyle
>>> curtisboyle at sasktel.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> @ Curtis (and anyone else who has knowledge of this),
>>>> After you stated that some of the "Upgrade" features HAD been included into
>>> the Nitros9 repo, I started taking a look around.
>>>> In looking through the latest "defs" files, I'm finding quite a few of the
>>> system calls and gets/setstat parms that are mentioned in the docs and notes in
>>> the upgrade. A lot of these "new" features are the kind of things that poeple
>>> often "wish" OS9 had... And they were already there!
>>>> The thing that bothers me, I've stated it before and I'll state it again and
>>> again....
>>>> Where's the documentation?
>>>> There's things in the additions that would make handling windows, mouse,
>>> get/put buffers, graphics, and much more... much easier. Why was all this stuff
>>> added then no documentation created on how to use it or even notes that it was
>>> there? The only indication of the existence of these calls is the sparse
>>> comments beside the calls in the defs files.
>>>> Pretty soon, no one will be around that knows what these feature are and how
>>> they work.
>>>> For instance, were the named pipes ever implemented?
>>>>
>>>> Just food for thought :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill Pierce
>>>> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>>>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
>>>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
>>>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>>>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>>>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: L. Curtis Boyle <curtisboyle at sasktel.net>
>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>> Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:34 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] l2update and bbs dsk images in nitros9 source tree
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From what I recall, it is in there (and is part of WindInt, for the most
>>> part).
>>>> I think the bouncing ball demo let you resize the window on the fly. Boisy, I
>>>> know Kevin Darling had, at one time, mentioned that he was probably the only
>>> one
>>>> out of the Level 2 upgrade project that had all of the source; have you tried
>>>> seeing if he would be willing to release it now (I believe the repository has
>>>> just disassemblies like the ones Bill and I worked on, when we "accidentally"
>>>> got some of the level II upgrade from Frank Hogg when we were working on the
>>> 2nd
>>>> version of the TC-9 drivers).
>>>>
>>>> L. Curtis Boyle
>>>> curtisboyle at sasktel.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Boisy,
>>>>> I've booted the "Br Jeremy" boot disk and played around with it.
>>>>> I really like the look of everything. From the notes I read, there were a lot
>>>
>>>> of things being worked on.
>>>>> Do you know if the :resizable/movable" window driver is on those disks
>>>> anywhere? Or was that still in planning and not make it to the disks?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Pierce
>>>>> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>>>>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
>>>>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
>>>>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>>>>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>>>>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Boisy Pitre <boisy at tee-boy.com>
>>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 7:41 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] l2update and bbs dsk images in nitros9 source tree
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It has always been my intention to fold some of the features of the L2
>>> Upgrade
>>>>
>>>>> into NitrOS-9. That’s mostly why those disk images exist in the repo.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tormod,
>>>>>> The "Upgrade disks" are most likely there for safekeeping. They are
>>>> "possibly"
>>>>> the only disks ever preserved of the work being done in the 90s by the
>>>> "Upgrade
>>>>> Team" before Tandy dropped the Coco and Microware then desolved the team.
>>>> There
>>>>> are a few features on those disks yet to be implemented in Nitros9 and some
>>>> that
>>>>> were. There are no sources, only the demo disks and many notes in text files
>>>> by
>>>>> members of the team, mostly Kevin Darling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, those disks exist on almost every archive on the net, but as in the
>>>> past,
>>>>> archives come and go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Pierce
>>>>>> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>>>>>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
>>>>>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
>>>>>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>>>>>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>>>>>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Tormod Volden <lists.tormod at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 6:10 pm
>>>>>> Subject: [Coco] l2update and bbs dsk images in nitros9 source tree
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am cleaning out my TODO list for NitrOS-9 3.3.0 and there are a few
>>>>>> items left. One of them is the presence of disk images under
>>>>>> 3rdparty/packages/l2upgrade/ . I believe these are upgrade disks for
>>>>>> OS-9. So why are they in the NitrOS-9 source repo? I suppose they are
>>>>>> safely archived somewhere else for anyone needing them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, under 3rdparty/packages/os9l2bbs/ there is an old os9l2bbs.dsk
>>>>>> image. The build creates its own under
>>>>>> 3rdparty/packages/os9l2bbs/6809l2/ Is the prebuilt image something
>>>>>> checked in by mistake, or does it have something that the created
>>>>>> image does not have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be happy to get these blobs out of the source tree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tormod
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