[Coco] CoCoFEST - Dart Time Sharing System Contest

Sat Aug 23 23:15:29 EDT 2014

Hi Wayne!
Yes, the BASIC program will need to run in the simulator.  There is a save
command that stores your program with a six character filename on your
computer as well as a load command to retrieve it again so all the
development can be done in the DTSS simulator.  This will give you a more
realistic feel for the programming environment of the actual DTSS.  For
those that have not tried the DTSS simulator yet, the yellow teletype paper
is also simulated.  I thought that was a nice touch also.  Anyhow, I'll let
you read the manual for the DTSS and find out about everything else.  Take
care my friend.

Kip Koon
computerdoc at sc.rr.com
http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
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-----Original Message-----
From: Coco [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 9:53 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoFEST - Dart Time Sharing System Contest

Hi Kip,

OK, I need to get this straight. The program is required to run in the
emulator? Or is it just a BASIC program using only the statements and
functions that the original included?

I read about the INPUT statement being added later (v. 2 I suppose), and the
emulator including it anyway. I would rather make use of the READ and DATA
statements anyway, as it would feel more like the first version, and would
be more reminiscent of those times when data had to be hard-coded, or input
in some other manner.

I will see what I can do. To be honest, I do not expect to win any awards
for anything I produce, but I do think doing this would allow me to
experience the original BASIC in a way I never have before.

Thanks again for this effort, Kip. It is worth doing just for the
experience.

Wayne

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Kip Koon <computerdoc at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Hi Wayne!
> You are very welcome.  I'm so happy that you have finally realized a 
> dream you thought would never happen!  I wonder how many other people 
> out there in classic/retro computer land have similar aspirations.
> I guess I need to specify that you do NOT need to use ALL the 
> statements or functions, just the ones you feel lead or desire to use.  
> Any combination of statements and/or functions is just fine.  Let your 
> imagination be the limit!  Join in if you like.  It will be fun!
> As a side note, though this simulator does have the INPUT statement, 
> the original/first version of the BASIC Compiler had no INPUT statement at
all.
> Any data needed by the students' program had to be included in DATA 
> statements and read into the program for processing with the READ 
> statement much like Coco BASIC programs of today (and yesteryear for 
> that matter) include machine language programs to be POKEd into ram 
> and run during the execution of the BASIC program.
> Thanks for letting me know your situation so I had the opportunity to 
> include ALL BASIC Programmers no matter what their level of expertise.  
> One of the points of this contest is to have fun doing it in addition 
> to see what all we can do with a maximum of 15 statements and 10
functions!
> Everyone is invited!  Thanks again Wayne!  Take care my friends.
>
> Kip Koon
> computerdoc at sc.rr.com
> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
> http://computerpcdoc.com/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coco [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:35 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoFEST - Dart Time Sharing System Contest
>
> This is the first time I've ever seen the original BASIC language. I 
> had given up hope of ever getting to see it decades ago. I am looking 
> at it now.
> As to whether or not I will try to place an entry depends. I have 
> never taken trig and have never used the trig functions in any of the 
> BASIC languages I have ever used. I know absolutely nothing about 
> them. This would make any attempt I make a guessing game, and would 
> probably result in ugly code. If the idea is to use all 15 statements 
> and all 10 functions, then I think I should refrain from the attempt.
>
> That said, I do appreciate finally being able to see and study the 
> original original BASIC as developed at Dartmouth. Thanks Kip! :)
>
> Wayne
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Kip Koon <computerdoc at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Basic Language Enthusiasts!
> >
> > During the August Meeting of the Glenside Color Computer Club, I 
> > suggested that the club present/demo the Dartmouth Time Sharing 
> > System Simulator during the CoCoFEST Back To Basics Conference in 
> > 2015.  As some of you probably know, two computer programmers who 
> > held PHDs in Computer Science invented the Basic All-purpose Symbol 
> > Instruction Code (BASIC) programming language at Dartmouth College 
> > on a GE-235 Mini-frame computer system and was first brought online 
> > one evening in May 1964.  DTSS is a simulator written by one of 
> > those creators of BASIC to simulate the actual environment the 
> > students at Dartmouth College used to get their coursework 
> > calculations done without having to study to become computer 
> > programmers - hence the name of the language.
> >
> > I also suggested during the Glenside Color Computer Club meeting 
> > that maybe we could hold a contest to see what kind of variety of 
> > BASIC programs could be created using only the 15 statements and 10 
> > functions provided by this very early version of BASIC which runs on 
> > this DTSS Simulator.  Everyone at that meeting were very interested 
> > in this idea, so I'm putting out an Official ALL-CALL to EVERYONE in 
> > the Color Computer Community World Wide to participate in this 
> > contest even if you cannot attend.  Maybe everyone's programs will 
> > be able to be collected together in some form and shared at the 
> > CoCoFEST and be
> available for download from someone's web site.
> >
> > The simulator and all available information, manuals, etc. is 
> > available on the DTSS site at the link below.  If you are interested 
> > in participating in this contest or just want to see and experience 
> > the environment the Creators of the Basic Language programmed on and 
> > the students at Dartmouth College had to use, go download this 
> > simulator from the following web page.  Also at the bottom of the 
> > page, some of the ACTUAL Assembly Language Source Code that ran on 
> > the
> > GE-235 computer for the BASIC Compiler has been preserved!
> > Much of the mnemonics for the GE-235 computer look VERY SIMILAR to
> > 6809 Mnemonics!  It was so cool to be able to see this source code 
> > for what may very well be one of the most popular programming 
> > languages ever
> created!
> >
> > Link to the DTSS Simulator Web Page.
> > http://dtss.dartmouth.edu/#download
> >
> > These are the links for the software itself.  DTSS Simulator 
> > software for [Windows] <http://dtss.dartmouth.edu/DTSS-Win.zip>  and 
> > [Macintosh] <http://dtss.dartmouth.edu/DTSS-Mac.sit> .
> >
> > It is my hope that everyone who enjoys our beloved Cocos will at 
> > least consider this proposal and at some level participate in it.  
> > This could turn out to be quite an interesting experience for us 
> > all!  Take care my friends.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kip Koon
> >
> >  <mailto:computerdoc at sc.rr.com> computerdoc at sc.rr.com
> >
> >  <http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon>
> > http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
> >
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> >
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