[Coco] Sierra games and DW

Wed Oct 9 23:42:10 EDT 2013

Sorry missed this email...

I am using 1.4 dw3 coco 3 I have a cheap G540 programmer. I load the .ROM 
file and select the file formation as BIN.
Then I just program the eprom... And like I've been saying, RSDOS stuff 
works. I can play Sailor Man and all that.
It is just Nitros9 boot that fails. But it I move that same exact rom to a 
disk controller it works fine.

Again when I socketed the football II cart I just clipped the game chip off, 
unsoldered the legs, put the socket in, soldered it from underneath.
Insert the ROM in the socket. Should that be the right way to convert a game 
to a HDBDOS rompak?

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From: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:09 PM
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW

>
> Charlie,
> I did think of something else. What version of hdbdos are you loading?
> If from the toolshed downloads it must be
> hdbdw3cc3.bin or  hdbdw3cc3.cas or hdbdw3cc3.wav
> Or if from Cloud9's downloads
> hdbcc3.wav
>
> In other words
>
> Bill Pierce
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> To: coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
>
>
>
> Charlie, I can't think of any thing that would cause this. Any version or 
> format
> of hdbdos should work.
> If you have the latest game disk, you're running the same one I am as I 
> just
> downloaded it again to make sure.
> Once nitros9 starts booting (and you said it starts) then the rom is no 
> longer
> in play (nos9 wipes that memory) and doesn't matter any more. You said you 
> are
> using the dw version of kq1 so that's right. just to verify that, my disk 
> is
> titled
> kingsquest1_dw.dsk.
> I can also boot all the sierra games as well.
>
> Question, if it runs with the disk controller in, why do you need to run 
> without
> it? Just asking.
> hdbdos is a "complete" rom in that it actually contains the RSDOS rom as 
> well.
> So loading it without a controller would be like having a controller 
> without
> having... a controller. I used to load RSDOS from cassette on my Coco 2 
> before I
> got a disk drive (in the 80s) so I could get some of the extra BASIC 
> commands
> that came with RSDOS that weren't  "disk oriented" and it ran fine as long 
> as I
> didn't issue a disk command. So the actual controller has nothing to do 
> with the
> rom "just running". And with hdbdos's DRIVEON command, you ca't get to the
> physical drives any way, which is how you should be running to access the 
> KQ1_dw
> disk.
> As I said, I tried it both ways and it worked.
>
> Hmmmm.... Just for comparison, try booting the 
> "nos96809L2v030209coco3_dw.dsk"
> and see if that boots without the controller. If not, then you may have 
> some
> sort of circuit or memory problem in the coco that by plugging in the
> controller, it's correcting (or connecting) something (not a hardware tech
> myself). Also, I don't know about KQ1, but I think KQ3 requires 512k of 
> mem....
> note sure though.
>
> Just checked in Vcc.. All the KQ disks require 512k. With Vcc set at 128k, 
> they
> get to the nos9 start screen and never switch to graphics mode to start 
> the
> game. They just freeze.
>
> That's all I know to tell ya. You definately have some sort of problem.
>
> Bill Pierce
> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
> To: coco list <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
>
>
> Thanks Bill.
>
>
> That is strange then.. Nitros9.org/latest is where I downloaded it. In 
> fact the
> in the newest DW4 you can choose to load the images right from the site. 
> You
> don’t need to even have them local.
>
> I tried that too. I don’t have HDBDOS on tape to try it loaded from 
> cassette. My
>
> coco tape player is stored away somewhere.
>
>
> So then what could it be about having the HDBDOS rom in a rompak that 
> would
> cause the Nitros9 to stop booting? It seems to work fine when loading ML 
> games
> and all that... and its not the rom itself cause that works when its 
> plugged in
> a disk controller. Does something else need to be done to the rom?pcb in 
> the
> rompak besides just removing the game chip and soldering in a rom? I 
> installed a
>
> socket to easily swap roms...
>
>
> It would be nice to have it work. Replacing the chip in a coco3 rompak is 
> super
> easy and would allow players to load and play the games with nothing but 
> the DW
> cable running to server.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>
>
> From: Bill Pierce
> Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎9‎, ‎2013 ‎8‎:‎46‎ ‎PM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
>
>
>
> Charlie, my disk drive is down for the count right now, so I load hdbdos 
> from
> cassette via PC headphone out using dosbox and casout.exe form Jeff 
> Vavsour's
> dos Coco emulator package.
> Since you said it wouldn't work without the controller and mine was 
> plugged in
> though my drive is down, I shut it all down and removed the controller. I
> started everything again and King's Quest 1 booted and run fine.
>
> Did you get the latest version?
> Everyone seems to think if it comes from the archives they're current but
> they're not. Any Nitros9 oriented downloads should be done from the 
> repository
> downloads. There hasn't been too many dependable builds of Nitros9 in the 
> past 5
>
> years until recently. The only place to get the latest build is here.
>
> http://www.nitros9.org/latest/
>
> Bill Pierce
> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Pelosi <chaspelosi at outlook.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
>
>
> Hi Bill. How did you load hdbdos? If you loaded it from disk it worked
> because you have a physical disk controller plugged into the coco.
> It works for me also when loaded from rom in disk controller or from disk.
>
> I hope someone makes a DW version of these games that do not require the
> physical controller.
> Kind of odd to have DW versions of a game require exactly the hardware we
> are trying not to use. :)
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:07 PM
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
>
>>
>> Charlie,
>> I just inserted the latest King's Quest 1 disk into DW4 slot 0, loaded
>> hdbdos (no rom),
>> and typed DOS <enter> (all from a cold start)
>> It booted, loaded, run, and I am playing it :-)
>>
>> I'm running a Coco 3, 1 meg mem, hdbdos v1.4, dw4 v4.3.3o
>>
>>
>> Did you get the latest version of KQ 1? There were some problems with
>> older builds as the bootfiles were not right.
>> Get the latest version here:
>>
>> http://www.nitros9.org/latest/
>>
>> If you got the disk from one of the archives, it's probably got a bad
>> boot.
>> I'm going to update the files on The Color Computer Archives as I know
>> they're not up to date.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Bill Pierce
>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charlie Pelosi <chaspelosi at outlook.com>
>> To: coco list <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:28 pm
>> Subject: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
>>
>>
>> I'm having trouble emailing the list I think because my reply address for
>> my
>> Microsoft account is a different alias than the primary I have subscribed
>> to the
>> list...
>> Hello.
>>
>> I am trying to play The King's Quest games with a coco3 and drivewire4.
>>
>> I downloaded KingsQuest1_dw.dsk from http://www.nitros9.org/latest/
>> I have a rompak in a COCO3 that has HDB-DOS 1.4 DW3 COCO 3 (Ive tried 1.2
>> also)
>> I am using the very latest DW4 in Windows.
>>
>> When I mount the KingsQuest1_dw.dsk in drive 0 and type DOS to start
>> Nitros9
>> starts to boot.
>> When it gets to i2xoC and then the coco just hangs sitting there forever
>> doing
>> nothing.
>>
>> Any ideas on what is wrong or how to get this to work?
>>
>> I tried to send the above earlier and it didn't work. But that worked out
>> because in the meantime I discovered something.
>>
>> If I move the rom chip to an actual FD502 controller the boot gets past
>> i2xoC
>> and the game starts.
>> So I would guess because Nitros9 is loading a driver or looking for the
>> disk
>> hardware.
>> So is there a version that doesn't do that so that people loading from a
>> simple
>> rompak or even tape can boot these games with DW and enjoy them?
>>
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