[Coco] Now using VCC as well as MESS

Wayne Campbell asa.rand at gmail.com
Mon Oct 7 16:02:23 EDT 2013 

Thanks for the response, Bill. I understand what you are saying. I found
the scdwn files on the disk Aaron made for me. Problem is, the n_scdwn.dd
descriptor is missing. I may need Aaron to answer this, but, is the only
difference between the scdwv and scdwn versions the name of the file? In
other words, if I copy the n_scdwv.dd descriptor and rename it to
n_scdwn.dd, will it work?

Wayne




On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Wayne
> This is an issue that needs to be worked on in the nitros9 repository.
> Some of the modules have been renamed, dw modules in particular (?WHY?). I
> think the problem in making a boot from the NITROS9 dir on the distro disks
> is that the bootlists and scripts have not been updated to reflect the name
> changes. Also there are modules listed in the bootlist that are not in
> their directories (or any where else on the disk). A good example is the
> bootlist has "emudsk.dr", "h0.dd", and "dd_h0.dd" listed nut they are not
> in the RBF directory. There are some others as well. Most of those missing
> modules are being built in the repo, but are not being copied to the disks.
>
> First, build your boot from the disk the modules came from. Do not mix
> modules from different builds. The 6309 becker disk you just downloaded is
> the one you should be building a boot from.
> 2nd, the "dw" command has nothing to do with "normal" drivewire
> operations. You can read/write to/from disks, use dw4midi, print to the
> virtual printer "/p" etc.
> The "dw" command is for "directly" accessing dw to set parameters without
> leaving the Coco. To use this command, you must know the protocol of the dw
> cmd set.
>
> Just typing dw<enter> will get the following:
>
> Possible commands:
> config    disk      instance  log       midi      net
> port      server
>
> typing dw server<enter> will get:
>
> Possible commands:
> dir        help       list       print      show       status     terminate
> turbo
>
> Typing dw server dir<enter> will get you:
>
> Error 10: dw server dir requires a URI or path as an argument
>
> BUT.. typing dw server dir C:/users  <enter> (in my windows) will get you;
>
> Directory of file:///c:/users
> All Users     Default       Default User  desktop.ini   Galapas
> Public
>
> Which is mu C;/users directory on my PC :-)
>
> If a "dw" error tells you it needs a "URI" or "path" it is usually
> referring to an FTP address or PC pathname (not Coco). Yes, if DW4 is
> connected to the net, it will list the contents of an FTP. And yes, your
> Coco can read you PC's directories and files.
> NOTE: the FTP address IS case sensitive.
>
> Just try "dw server dir ftp://os9archives.rtsi.com/RSDOS/" <enter>
> (internet connection to PC required)
> You'll have to be patient, as this one will take a while. It'll look like
> it's doing nothing, but it will finally list.
>
> "scdwn" HAS been renamed to "scdwv" so you have the driver. you'll most
> likely have to change THAT in the bootlist too. As well as THIS:
> The "14th" "/N" descriptor is named "/MIDI" and is used for... ummm...
> errr.... Midi.
>
> Bill Pierce
> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Campbell <asa.rand at gmail.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2013 1:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Now using VCC as well as MESS
>
>
> Well, it seems I am having an issue whether or not I want one. It turns out
> the disk Aaron made me included the dw3 driver and descriptors in the
> modules directory, but the bootfile did not have them. I made a custom boot
> file. There is a entry in the bootlist that shows RBF/dw3,sc that does not
> exist in that directory. I'm not sure what that module does, but I could
> not include it. In VCC 142 the new bootdisk boots fine, and a mdir shows
> the dw3 driver and x0-x3 descriptors. However, in VCC 143 I get the
> following screen as soon as I type DOS and press [ENTER]. Can someone help
> me determine what is going on here? Oh, and I did set the bitbanger in 143
> to use the Becker interface, and I have dw4 installed and running. I never
> get past the boot.
>
> cococoding.com/wayne/vcc_window.PNG
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Wayne Campbell <asa.rand at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Tom. I now have both VCC sites bookmarked.
> >
> > I have DW4 installed, as well as VCC 1.4.3. I will be testing things
> > today, and I'll post what I discover here. I am hoping I will have no
> > issues, but if a few occur I consider that part of the learning curve.
> >
> > Thanks Bill for the help you have given.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Tom Seagrove <tjseagrove at writeme.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> http://vcc.cococoding.com
> >>
> >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Wayne Campbell <asa.rand at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have been searching for vcc143.zip but cannot locate it on the
> internet.
> >> Someone please provide the url?
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Chad... not the "headless" disks. Just the one's ending  in becker.The
> >> > headless disks are for running a Coco from a remote... they have no
> >> display
> >> > drivers
> >> >
> >> > Bill Pierce
> >> > My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> >> > https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> >> > Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
> >> > http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
> >> > Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
> >> > http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> >> > E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Wayne Campbell <asa.rand at gmail.com>
> >> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >> > Sent: Sat, Oct 5, 2013 11:27 pm
> >> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Now using VCC as well as MESS
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I still thank you for the response anyway, Bill. :)
> >> >
> >> > I will be looking at it more closely tomorrow. I already found out
> today
> >> > that 1.4.2 is not the correct version for use with the Becker port. I
> >> found
> >> > the 1.4.3 beta earlier. I will download it tomorrow. I also found all
> >> the
> >> > vhd images of NOS9 L1/2/6809/6309/becker/beckerheadless. What I really
> >> need
> >> > to know is, is there something on those images not found on the image
> I
> >> > have?
> >> >
> >> > Wayne
> >> > On Oct 5, 2013 11:11 PM, "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Chad, this sounds like (from both threads), that you don't even need
> >> >> hdbdos but you need dwdos which allows most of what you want. I
> haven't
> >> >> used it so I can't tell you how, but the docs are "supposed" to be on
> >> >> cloud9 and the zip for hdbdos there contains the dwdos files.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill Pierce
> >> >> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> >> >> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> >> >> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
> >> >> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
> >> >> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
> >> >> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> >> >> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Wayne Campbell <asa.rand at gmail.com>
> >> >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >> >> Sent: Sat, Oct 5, 2013 10:45 pm
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Now using VCC as well as MESS
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks, Bill. Now the 6809$ question... do I have to use HDBDOS, or
> >> can I
> >> >> do this with just NitrOS9? I don't use HDBDOS because I don't use
> >> > RS-DOS. I
> >> >> am strictly a OS9 user.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I was attempting to help Aaron document DriveWire4 back in
> 09-10,
> >> he
> >> >> helped me setup the NOS9 boot floppy I use now. It has dw built in.
> I'm
> >> > not
> >> >> sure if that was dw3 or dw4, but I do have the driver and descriptors
> >> in
> >> > my
> >> >> boot file.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wayne
> >> >> On Oct 5, 2013 10:33 PM, "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Wayne, in the VCC 1.4.3beta zip, there a small text file. It
> explains
> >> >> most
> >> >>> of what needs to be done to set up the becker port. DW4 "should"
> give
> >> > you
> >> >>> the telnet capabilities you want. That's one aspect of DW I've yet
> to
> >> >>> explore, but will soon have to.
> >> >>> The only thing is the current hdbdos does not support the becker
> port
> >> >>> functions other than disk access unless you use ML to access the
> >> >> read/write
> >> >>> routines directly and know the dw protocol.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> To enable the becker port in VCC 1.4.3b:
> >> >>> In "Configuration"/"Config"/"Bitbanger" you must check "Enable
> Becker
> >> >> Port"
> >> >>> These next ones should be set but always good to check
> >> >>> IP Address of DriveWire server = 127.0.01
> >> >>> TCP port = 65504
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In "Cartridge"/"FD-502 Config"
> >> >>> "Dos Image"/ check "External Rom Image"
> >> >>> "External Rom Image" (at bottom)
> >> >>> Click browse, go to the VCC dir, and select the "hdbdwbc3.rom" not
> the
> >> >>> "hdbdwbck.rom". That one's for running time critical games & Coco 2
> >> >> (XRoar).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Start DW4  server on your PC, do the "Simple Configuration Wizard"
> >> > select
> >> >>> "Emulator or other TCP/IP". click next and leave all else at the
> >> >> defaults.
> >> >>> Inset a disk in slot 0.
> >> >>> Now in VCC, hit "F9" twice (cold start)
> >> >>> You should be in hdbdos and have dw4 access.
> >> >>> If you're using partitioned VHDs, then you need to set your offsets.
> >> >>> Note: In this mode, you lose the VCC default VHD in hdbdos, But you
> >> can
> >> >>> gain it back in Nitros9 with the emudsk drivers installed in your
> >> > becker
> >> >>> boot.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Bill Pierce
> >> >>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> >> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> >> >>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
> >> >>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
> >> >>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
> >> >>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> >> >>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Wayne Campbell <asa.rand at gmail.com>
> >> >>> To: coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >> >>> Sent: Sat, Oct 5, 2013 9:26 pm
> >> >>> Subject: [Coco] Now using VCC as well as MESS
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I decided today was the day to see if VCC would run on this PC. I
> >> > started
> >> >>> using MESS 1.36b on my laptop because VCC wouldn't even launch on
> it.
> >> >> This
> >> >>> computer is different hardware, but the same XP Pro I installed on
> the
> >> >>> laptop. I figured the hardware difference could do the trick, and I
> >> was
> >> >>> right.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Instead of downloading the 3.2.8 vhd image on the site, I set the
> >> > FD-502
> >> >>> drive 0 to my 80-track boot floppy image, and the HD drive 0 to my
> vhd
> >> >>> image. I set the keyboard to OS9 mapping and started the emulation.
> It
> >> >>> worked flawlessly.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am wanting to see if I can get the Becker port working, but
> there's
> >> >>> nothing in the emulation help about it, and nothing in the way of
> >> > options
> >> >>> in the config or devices menus.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I will research that more tomorrow. My question is, will I be able
> to
> >> > use
> >> >>> the Becker port as a way to telnet to another location, such as
> IRC. I
> >> > am
> >> >>> (not at this moment) writing a IRC client, and being able to telnet
> >> >> through
> >> >>> the Becker port would allow me to test the software locally.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Wayne
> >> >>>
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