[Coco] [CoCo] Just learning OS-9 - Questions

Fri May 31 07:48:18 EDT 2013

Though it isn't a device driver/descriptor, DriveWire is ... more or less ... RFM in its embryonic stage.

Wayne

Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:

>
>Aaron,
>Does RFM actually work? Or is it still under developement?
>If it works, what would be the proper way to use it?
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 8:42 am
>Subject: Re: [Coco] [CoCo] Just learning OS-9 - Questions
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>
>There has been some work done towards this type of thing already.
>It's actually a new file manager called RFM (Remote File Manager).  It
>allows you to mount a directory on the server or even a remote FTP
>server or SMB share under NitrOS9.
>
>Making this work for rawcopy would probably not be too difficult,
>actually easier than making it work with dir, copy, and the other
>utilities in OS9 (because those often assume an RBF device).  I'll see
>what I can do.
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus)
><retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> aaron you know what would be a killer add on to dw and then the rawcopy
>> very useful ? the ability to add a folder as a disk.
>>
>> That would be read only, all changes would not be forwarded to real files,
>> but DW would take all the files in the folder and create in memory an os-9
>> disk image including all the files. In this way we could easily copy any
>> file without having to create a os9 disk with os9 format and copying then
>> one by one. And of course if you change the file on pc, you need to
>> "reload" the folder again on dw.
>>
>> Dw could ultimately save this image on a .dsk file too as it does when you
>> create a new disk on it.
>>
>> we could create (on windows only) a "convert to os-9 dsk" shell extension
>> and right click on a file and create a .dsk automatically too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) <
>> retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi, as I said here is the rawcopy:
>>>
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/tandycocoloco/dropbox
>>>
>>> but in the form it is is only useful to copy from a disk image file to a
>>> floppy. You must format the disk before as os-9 even if it's not going to
>>> be an os-9 disk, and then copy it using:
>>>
>>>  rawcopy hitchhike.dsk /d0@
>>>
>>> of course you must have the disk image in your hard disk otherwise it
>>> won't work as I cannot read (using I$Read) from a non os-9 floppy, it will
>>> stop at the LSN0.
>>>
>>> Just an idea, imagine if we had a special option to the DW server, like
>>> HDB-DOS emulation we would have OS-9 LSN0 Fooling, DW would add and
>>> artificial LSN0 based on the disk geometry. For the backup utility it just
>>> need to skip the fake lsn0 and proceed with the copy writing the real lsn0
>>> at the end.
>>>
>>> Or, we can go for a low level access to ignore the lsn0, creating a
>>> special os-9 driver maybe ?
>>>
>>> just putting ideas on the table...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) <
>>> retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> it's a rawcopy it won't check size or sectors nothing, it skips the first
>>>> 256 bytes and start copying until either src or tgt gives an error and then
>>>> finally it copies the first 256 bytes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure, I'd appreciate a copy.  If you are OK with sharing and
>>>>> maintaining, I would think this type of utility would merit inclusion
>>>>> in the NitrOS9 distribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus)
>>>>> <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > I can send you the rawcopy.asm later if you want. Need to improve it by
>>>>> > deleting the file if it already exists (when rawcopying from a device
>>>>> to a
>>>>> > file).
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus)
>>>>> >> <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > Talking about transfering files I just had a problem this week. As I
>>>>> >> don't
>>>>> >> > have a PC with internal floppy drive - they are so 80's :o) i had
>>>>> to rely
>>>>> >> > on driveWire and use my coco gear to make it. And I found that
>>>>> >> transferring
>>>>> >> > a non OS-9 40 track floppy (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is
>>>>> one)
>>>>> >> > impossible with the tools I had in hands. No, RS-DOS backup will
>>>>> stop at
>>>>> >> > atrack 35 and OS-9 backup starts writing the LSN0 and screws the
>>>>> drive
>>>>> >> > access so far.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I tried making a Basic09 program and I found it has issues beyond
>>>>> track
>>>>> >> 35
>>>>> >> > too, so I made my very own rawcopy tool for os-9 that copies the
>>>>> raw file
>>>>> >> > or raw device to another device, but it skips the LSN0 and it will
>>>>> copy
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> >> > as a final step. So i can use it as: rawcopy /x1@ /d0@ or even
>>>>> rawcopy
>>>>> >> > image.dsk /d0@ and it worked fine :)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Cool!  I have wished for such a thing more than once but never sorted
>>>>> >> out how to do it beyond finding that giving the raw devs to regular
>>>>> >> copy doesn't work.
>>>>> >>
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