[Coco] Well I think that the http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/ is being shut down. Or should be.

Wed Apr 17 04:43:33 EDT 2013

On Wednesday 17 April 2013 04:15:54 Stephen H. Fischer did opine:

> Hi,
> 
> You are suggesting that I wished you to kill the Forums.
> 
> It was an attempt to get the CoCo community to wake up that a valuable
> resource was about to be lost.
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> Either the CoCo Community will discuss how to use the Forums and start
> using it, or it will die.
> 
> I saw the need for a Forum like you created decades before you actually
> did it.
> 
> I could not, hands off to you for trying.
> 
> It's up to the CoCo Community now. There is no chatter except mine about
> the Forums.
> 
> I said in a PM on another topic,
> 
> "Silence is violently damming much more than damming by faint praise."
> 
> I hear a lot of silence.
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> 
> As for our differences, you will find many people to load your shells.
> Most people will mix up the Kool-Aid with the needed increment for you
> to give to me.
> 
> Part of the triple whammy that we in the S.F Bay area were hit with
> including the killing of the S.F Mayor and Harvey Milk. The news was
> FULL of the anniversary news a few months ago. That hit me violently
> hard at the same time a post was made to me saying that I drank the
> Kool-Aid. Well I drank a lot of Sugar free Kool-Aid until they stopped
> putting it in stores. I now drink the other brands.
> 
> I have made a change to the first post I made on AVS, 4/29/2009. You can
> look at it here:
> http://www.avsforum.com/t/369015/san-francisco-ca-ota/4290#post_16353546
> 
> I can also delete that or any other of my 1,320 posts. Yes, April 29,
> 2009! 1,300 Posts.
> 
> That someone wanted to delete their posts and found that they could not
> ending up with creating a blank posts pissed you off so bad that you
> removed one of the strong points over the mailing list, the ability to
> edit old posts.
> 
> There are just too few exports on the Forums, I had to come to this list
> for an answer to help a person a few weeks ago. One recent post had no
> replies, like others.
> 
> Thus your idea that the Forums would be a forum is dead. Maybe I killed
> it by trying to post content to get it started.
> 
> Both the mailing list and Facebook posts are on a conveyer belt to the
> past, old posts very hard to find.
> 
> I called the Forums a Wiki because that is what it is, information can
> be found. Google is indexing it, the Mailing list is NOT!
> 
> The great value of the Forums is that anyone can sign up and leave their
> valuable information for others to find. Which they are doing in large
> numbers if you look at the view counts.
> 
> Without persons spending their valuable time trying to figure out how to
> do it with a Wiki, something that most will not take the time to do.
> 
> I add the post you deleted because people are not using the resource in
> the best way. Yes I had to look at one of your posts to figure out how
> to use utube because it is not in the faq, not even the FAQ on the
> forum software creators webpage either.
> 
> "Silence is violently damming much more than damming by faint praise."
> 
> I hear a lot of silence.
> 
> Stephen H. Fischer
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian" <random.rodder at gmail.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Well I think that the
> http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/ is being shut down. Or should be.
> 
> > No Stephen, the forum is not being shut down. What I am tired of,
> > however, is being told how a resource I am providing free of charge
> > and at my own expense should be used. I do not mind constructive
> > criticism, but, that's not what you provided. You tried to educate me
> > on what you think is right or wrong; or the right or wrong way to do
> > something. You also suggested to others that what they posted was
> > improper, incorrect or not necessary - as if you were the judge and
> > jury of all things CoCo.
> > 
> > As for editing of posts, we went round and round about that - no forum
> > I have been a member of allows this. You thought the forum should be
> > used as a Wiki type site; I offered to meet you half way and host a
> > Wiki (http://www.tandycoco.com/wiki - which until now was
> > unadvertised) that you could post and edit until your heart was
> > content. I also suggested you post stuff at CoCoPedia in order to
> > create the type of posts you were looking for since that resource was
> > already established.
> > 
> > I deleted your post simply because it was not needed for the purpose
> > of the thread. And your own message below (/Quote - My post
> > suggesting the correct way to show a utube video appears to be gone.
> > /) shows the condescension typical of your PM's to me as well as
> > responses to others on the Mailing List (like your response to Joel's
> > efforts earlier). Further, I know full well how to post a YouTube
> > video to the forum - I created the forum and enabled the feature.
> > Telling me that when I fix my post you'll edit yours was
> > condescending and disrespectful, and I'd have deleted the post
> > regardless of who your post was in response to. The fact is, I set
> > that thread up (in a hurry) so Robert and I could work at copying
> > posts about the 256 color method to the forum so it would be mirrored
> > at another location.
> > 
> > Lastly, post count has exactly squat to do with my deletion of your
> > post (the only one that I have deleted) - see above. When I set up
> > the forum - which was due to a request by a few other CoCoists - my
> > goal for the forum was that it be used in whatever way the CoCo
> > Community saw fit to do so. I never had any illusions that it would
> > replace the Mailing List. And if the community decides not to use it,
> > then I'll shut it down. But that decision lies with them, and not
> > solely you. My post count is completely immaterial to any discussion
> > regarding the forum, it's content or intended usage.
> > 
> > If you want to discuss this further, I'm perfectly willing to take it
> > off-list. As for now, since you no longer see the value of the forum,
> > ostensibly because it doesn't adhere to your vision of what it should
> > be, I have deactivated your account to protect the content of the
> > forum.
> > 
> > Beyond the above issues I have had with you behind the scenes, I never
> > saw anyone complain about your efforts where the CoCo was concerned.
> > Maybe nobody else had anything constructive to offer? I seriously
> > doubt there is a conspiracy against you in the community.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Brian Blake
> > 
> > Owner/Webmaster of the tandycoco.com <http://www.tandycoco.com> sites.
> > 
> > On 4/16/2013 9:26 PM, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Well I think that the http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/  is being shut
> >> down. Or should be. We CoCoers do not wish to use it as intended and
> >> in the ways it can be used.
> >> 
> >> My post suggesting the correct way to show a utube video appears to
> >> be gone.
> >> 
> >> First I cannot edit my old posts, something I planned to do a lot,
> >> and now my posts are being deleted.
> >> 
> >> The world does not communicate these days only with black text on
> >> white paper. Pictures, colors, different fonts and font sizes are
> >> common in the real world. There is something called a mouse, even
> >> the CoCo had one, but it was so useless I put it away soon.
> >> 
> >> Everyone having fun taking turns shooting Fishers in a barrel? I know
> >> where the shells are coming from.
> >> 
> >> I spend 2.5 hours lately looking for a file and nothing is said. And
> >> more time proving it was bad and looking at the good ones. (No help,
> >> no comments from the person who wanted the file.)
> >> 
> >> The other tasks like creating the Text Search able Index for Rainbow
> >> Magazine no thanks at all. (Or help except from Luis.) Even rejected
> >> by a site with all the Rainbow issues.
> >> 
> >> The http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/ I have spend a huge amount of
> >> time creating content for, perhaps my post count soon to overtake
> >> the forum owner is to blame.
> >> 
> >> I could go on, but as I have nothing to say about reloading shells,
> >> you do not wish to hear the rest.
> >> 
> >> Stephen H. Fischer

Stephen, I've had a couple linux installs here that demanded all support 
was thru a forum.  A forum is a PIMA.  I quit using that flavor of linux a 
couple years ago, and the forum support was one of the reasons.

First, you have to remember a username & password, logging in with a 
browser, and you hope your browser is compatible.  Then you have to search 
through at least 550 topics in 20 or more groups to see if there might be 
an answer to your question already.   Then you get automatically logged out 
while trying to digest the broken english of the one possibly applicable 
post might be telling you.

This, like webmail, is NOT productive use of /anyones/ time.  Here on the 
mailing list, my fetching of the mail is automatically done for me every 3 
minutes, a tap of the + key finds and shows me the next unread message, and 
if it something I can help the user with, one mouse click opens the reply, 
and one mouse click sends it when I am done.

This is productive use of our time.  Old message retrievals are, to the 
depth of my coco list corpus's limit which is sometime in 2002, not a 
problem, kmail has an excellent search engine as does T-bird if that pulls 
your trigger.

Whats not to like about a mailing list?, it is simple, convenient, and 
above all else, FAST.  Most of the forums I've dealt with were run by 
control freaks.  According to the first rule they are RIGHT, and if they 
are wrong, see rule #1.

Cheers, Gene
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