[Coco] cowin vs cogrf question

Wed Oct 17 19:53:54 EDT 2012

On Wednesday 17 October 2012 19:44:34 Bill Pierce did opine:

> It seems the mouse is missing only in Ed, so I assume Ed is using some
> MV functions as the arrow keys don't work either. I tried Ultimuse,
> which doesn't require MV and the mouse works fine. The arrow keys are
> woking in my Sound Chaser. Since Ed is my editor of choice at the
> moment, I'll probably go back to cowin.
> 
> Also, I noticed on a fresh boot, on 2 different installations of VCC,
> both boots are reporting $EC blocks of mem, the one with cogrf, has
> only 50 modules in it's boot. The one with cowin has 57 modules in it's
> boot. This makes the cowin boot using less memory? Or jus coincidence
> that the modules fell in place on the right boundries? Something else I
> notice, that I hadn't noticed before. The cowin boot doesn't have sysgo
> in memory. The cogrf boot does. The cowin boot is a Boisy/Becker boot,
> the other is pretty much a standard Emu boot. Does the Boisy/Beckker
> boot not use sysgo?
> 
Probably, but sysgo does NOT have to be in the boot file, it can live on 
the root dir of /dd just as well and doesn't take up any memory space after 
the boot is finished that way.

> Also, VCC gives the option of setting the Coco to 8 megs of memory.
> According to mfree NitrOS9 only sees 2 meg. Is this just a limit of
> mfree or does Nitro need something patched to use the 8 meg.

mfree is likely fine.  The limit in memory for nitros9, assuming you have 
the disto 2 meg hardware, is the byte sized block count, meaning 256 8192 
byte blocks of memory, which in round figures is 2 megs. VCC may have a 
slightly bigger block map, 2 more bits in that register would be equ to 8 
mags.

> Bill P
> 
> Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> Bill Pierce
> ooogalapasooo at aol.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Retro Canada <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 5:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [Coco] cowin vs cogrf question
> 
> 
> shouldn't the mouse be driven by the joydrv_6551m ? I don't have
> one....yet!
> 
> Need to find one to buy as well as a high-res joystick adapter.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> 
wrote:
> > Ok, I switched a boot on a VHD from Cowin to CoGrf. I've tried several
> 
> programs and everything seemed fine. I now have one question. Does it
> support the mouse? I ran "Ed' and Ed is mouse driven. The mouse didn't
> activate. How do I turn the mouse back on or is that a part of Cowin?
> 
> > Bill P
> > 
> > Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> > https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> > Bill Pierce
> > ooogalapasooo at aol.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Retro Canada <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 4:49 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] cowin vs cogrf question
> > 
> > 
> > I do it. I write on my /IH drive. But you need to use os9gen with -S
> > option, otherwise you are going to have a Disk Id Change error.
> > 
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com> 
wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 17 October 2012 16:37:58 Gene Heskett did opine:
> >>> On Wednesday 17 October 2012 15:19:23 Retro Canada did opine:
> >>> > Well not in my build using superIDE drivers. Didn't try diskette
> >>> > or something else. Whenever I used coWin and coVDG it didn't
> >>> > boot.
> >>> > 
> >>> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com>
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>> > > On Wednesday 17 October 2012 14:44:43 Retro Canada did opine:
> >>> > >> I recently made a lot of level 2 boots for superIDE. It was on
> >>> > >> trial and error as usual.
> >>> > >> 
> >>> > >> With CoGRF on level 2 you get all W to W15 windows 80/40
> >>> > >> columns but you can't run multivue.
> >>> > >> 
> >>> > >> To get the V1 to V4 32 columns you need CoVDG.
> >>> > >> 
> >>> > >> To run multivue you need CoWIN. But CoWIN cannot coexists with
> >>> > >> CoVDG or you get a memory overflow.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Humm, they can't co-exist?  Maybe thats where some of my memory
> >>> > > is going.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > {t2|08}/DD/NITROS9/dw3install/6309L2/MODULES/SCF:mdir
> >>> > > 
> >>> > >    Module Directory at 14:34:01
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > REL         Boot        Krn         KrnP2       KrnP3      
> >>> > > IOMan Init        RBF         rbdw3       dw3         X0       
> >>> > >   X1 RBSuper     lltc3       DD          S1          SH        
> >>> > >  rb1773 D0          D1          D2          SCF         VTIO   
> >>> > >     KeyDrv SndDrv      JoyDrv      CoWin       CoVDG      
> >>> > > sc6551      Term W           W1          W2          W3        
> >>> > >  W4          W7 scdwn       N           N1          N2         
> >>> > > N3          N4 N5          N6          N7          MIDI       
> >>> > > t2          scdwp p           PipeMan     Piper       Pipe     
> >>> > >   Clock       Clock2 GrfDrv      Shell       Date        DeIniz
> >>> > >      Echo        Iniz Link        Load        Save       
> >>> > > Unlink      inetd       MDir
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > And this is from the /t2 screen of my default dw enabled boot
> >>> > > floppy.
> >>> 
> >>> A PS of sorts, I just rebuilt it without CoWin.  Boots just fine.
> >>> AND smap is a heck of a lot happier, from 4k free to 9k free, 36
> >>> 'pages' now.  Maybe I can format a floppy?  ;-)
> >>> 
> >> :(  No.  The HD boot I was using for these builds left me with 39
> >> :pages, 9k
> >> 
> >> according to smap.  I installed this on on the hd, boots fine, but
> >> that 36 pages is not enough to allow format to run w/o crashing. 
> >> This recovery could be fun, I don't know that I have a floppy boot
> >> that is hd aware. OTOH. there is nothing to stop me from writing my
> >> own mb script for /sh that skips the format in favor of just
> >> deleting the file os9boot and making a new one with os9gen.
> >> 
> >>> In fact, since I have /sh pointing at the hard drive boot location,
> >>> and can change that to an adjacent vdisk with dmode stp=82 rather
> >>> easily just for testing, I am tempted to replace the boottracks
> >>> boot_rb1778_6ms module with the boot_tc3 module in mb.dw3 and fire
> >>> that script off to do a mb on /d0 and back it up to /sh.  Then note
> >>> for recovery and add 1260 decimal sectors to DD.BT in LSN0 of /dd
> >>> and reboot.  If that works, then do it again to the default /sh,
> >>> restore DD.BT and laugh all the way to the fridge. ;-)  We'll see.
> >>> I don't care for painting myself into a corner though.
> >>> 
> >>> Cheers, Gene
> >> 
> >> Cheers, Gene
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> >> 
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Cheers, Gene
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