[Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: WIRED

Charlie chazbeenhad at hotmail.com
Wed Dec 5 17:47:19 EST 2012 

got it. Thanks.
Using cc2 DW rom on a cc3 works fine for games it seems so far.
It is not a real solution though because Nitros9 boot fails.
So I wouldn't burn it to rom unless I had a bunch of PAKs to spare that 
could hold all the different roms.

Does the MODEMPAK have a replacable rom to use for HDBDOS?
I know I have deluxe RS232 somewhere and a sound speech pak.

Charlie


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From: "Luis Antoniosi" <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:14 PM
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: 
WIRED

> ah sorry, i misundertood your question. Yes, if you run it on a coco3
> it will work. DW only replaces the disk basic not the super extended
> basic.
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Charlie <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I tried DW for coco2 on my coco3 and it seems to work great.
>> I am loading it from disk, and it says Disk Extended Color Basic 1.1 just
>> like my coco1.
>> HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 2
>>
>> My basic programs with WIDTH and BUTTON commands still work even though 
>> it
>> said DECB1.1
>> How is that working? Is it because the disk controller still plugged in 
>> has
>> DECB2.1 ?
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Luis Antoniosi" <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:10 AM
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool:
>> WIRED
>>
>>> no. super extended basic commands only works on coco3.
>>>
>>> but for basic games the speed poke is very welcome ;)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Charlie Pelosi 
>>> <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cheating? :) well I couldn't stay away from the coco3 games either, so
>>>> now I have both setup.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for my ignorance here, but if I run HDB-dos for coco2 in a 3 will
>>>> coco3 stuff still work? Like basic programs with the BUTTON command?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for all my typos, I have the worlds smallest android phone and 
>>>> I've
>>>> been regretting its contract for mire than a year now:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:47:36 GMT
>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool:
>>>> WIRED
>>>>
>>>> But I like playing on a coco2 too because it's the real deal. There is
>>>> a MC6847 on it although the image output is crap.
>>>>
>>>> The gime chip is like cheating...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Charlie Pelosi 
>>>> <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously? I had always thought the two computers worked differently.
>>>>> Thanks! I give that a try. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:42:14 GMT
>>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New 
>>>>> tool:
>>>>> WIRED
>>>>>
>>>>> ouch I hates browsers that insist to loose focus....
>>>>>
>>>>> DW for Coco2 works fine on a coco3 and wont have speed poke at all.
>>>>> Just load HDBDOSC2.BIN or (.WAV if you use cassete) on it and you're
>>>>> done. Just don't forget to config DW to Coco2 speed too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Felipe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Luis Antoniosi
>>>>> <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Charlie Pelosi
>>>>>> <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I play DECB games daily. Honestly, for most if my life. :)
>>>>>>> I never used DW so much because I really don't like the highspeed 
>>>>>>> mode
>>>>>>> of the coco3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously it is a pain to poke normal speed before exec all the 
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> For this reason I started using a coco2, and now a coco1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like a DW HDB-DOS for coco3 that ran at coco2 speed with no high
>>>>>>> speed mode. It's more than fast enough for working with DECB games.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nitros9 is a fantastic OS that shows off that coco power. But if 
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is a game for I'm glad they all come with self booting images ::)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>>>>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:09:03 GMT
>>>>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New
>>>>>>> tool: WIRED
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian, I am on very same position as you: family, kids, house, car,
>>>>>>> dog, cat and bird. When I got the SuperIDE my first move was: to 
>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>> DECB disks into it and I found out it was nearly impossible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First the Aaron's tool Sidewalk was broken. For this reason I made a
>>>>>>> small command line tool to put and get disk from the CF card using 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> PC. After a month, Aaron fixed his tool. The Sidewalk is great 
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> it has the GUI to browse all image but it still gets a lot of time 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> read all the disks so I still use my command line tool which take a
>>>>>>> second to write or get a disk on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The stock NitroOS-9 on superIDE does not access the RS-DOS drive 
>>>>>>> (the
>>>>>>> IH). Nor it has support for any of the sierra or VDG games. So I had
>>>>>>> to learn a lot until I got a working copy of the nitros and manage 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> solve the problem with the rbsuper descriptors. That was a lot of
>>>>>>> learning curve. I do not have much time available on real hardware 
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> it took a lot of time for me. Even when I got the /IH working I 
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> out the pain it was copying from DW to it. Again I need to make a
>>>>>>> BASIC09 tool for it. Also I had to figure out how to install a fresh
>>>>>>> nitrOS-9 on a superIDE without a MPI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This what motivated me to make the WIRED tool. The Sidekick I did
>>>>>>> because I was sick of typing commands and the coco basic doesn't 
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> typos, you made one you're screwed. Other BASIC like C-64 or even 
>>>>>>> MSX
>>>>>>> they have a free screen cursor, you can just return the cursor there
>>>>>>> and fix it. But no my Coco. (hmmmm this gives me an idea!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then I realized: why nobody else did it before ? Maybe nobody
>>>>>>> plays DECB games anymore ? Does everybody else use nitrOS-9 only ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just love DECB and all its games. I also love the 32 column 
>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>> I don't like using the 80 column display doesn't look like a coco 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Felipe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Brian Blake 
>>>>>>> <random.rodder at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2012 4:43 PM, Robert Gault wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Luis Antoniosi has demonstrated one approach which can handle
>>>>>>>>> Drivewire
>>>>>>>>> plus one type of HDBDOS; one ROM loaded to RAM, the second the
>>>>>>>>> current ROM.
>>>>>>>>> Extend it to a 16K ROM with the main package in the first half and
>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>> specific routines in the second half, and there just might be room
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> support all flavors of drives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aside from the difficulties and work needed to attempt this, the
>>>>>>>>> requirement of a 16K ROM may make the concept Coco3 only. That 
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>>> desirable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd fully agree that you'd want to support all CoCo models - 
>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>> WHY
>>>>>>>> would the move to a 16k ROM be CoCo3 only? Roger claimed CoCoNet
>>>>>>>> would work
>>>>>>>> an any CoCo and I believe it's on a 16k ROM. I've only used it on a
>>>>>>>> CoCo 3
>>>>>>>> so I don't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not trying to be difficult, just want to understand...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As things stand right now, the point is moot for NitrOS-9 as you 
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> driver packages for any type hard drive and Drivewire co-existing 
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> OS9Boot. I have this currently going for my SCSI drives and
>>>>>>>>> Drivewire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not everybody works in or wants to work in NitrOS-9. And really,
>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>> quite a few people who have no clue how to set this stuff up under
>>>>>>>> NitrOS-9
>>>>>>>> - myself included.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So this Super HDBDOS really is needed only for Disk Basic. Far as
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> goes, it is only needed to transfer files back and forth as Luis'
>>>>>>>>> Wired does
>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm the only person who sees the utility in having your DOS 
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>> see and access all the storage devices on the CoCo system, I don't
>>>>>>>> know. For
>>>>>>>> those who like to play their RS-DOS based games, I'd think being 
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> copy files from your PC to help set up your SuperIDE in the easiest
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> possible would be a benefit. I know NitrOS-9 is powerful and can do
>>>>>>>> lots of
>>>>>>>> things RS-DOS cannot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, with three kids and a grand-daughter, working full time, 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> house and cars to maintain, I personally do not have the time to
>>>>>>>> learn how
>>>>>>>> to set up a NitrOS-9 boot disk, decide what modules to add to it,
>>>>>>>> learn all
>>>>>>>> the methods of scripting and customization, etc... Yes, I'd LOVE to
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> these things, as well as learn to write BASIC programs better and
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> Assembly language as well. Right now, Disk Basic suits my needs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, I'm not saying one person's needs outweighs the needs of the
>>>>>>>> many - if
>>>>>>>> I'm indeed the only person to see a need or the usefulness of these
>>>>>>>> changes,
>>>>>>>> then I probably should shut up. But, I'd imagine for people coming
>>>>>>>> back to
>>>>>>>> the CoCo, or those who have a new-found interest for whatever 
>>>>>>>> reason,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> first thing they are likely to see is a Disk Basic based OS like
>>>>>>>> HDB-DOS or
>>>>>>>> CoCoNet if they dive in and get a SuperIDE for a storage solution 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> DrivePak if the new 'owner' follows through with his promises. 
>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>> would probably be greatly beneficial to these people - especially 
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> Disk
>>>>>>>> Basic is what they've used in the past.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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