[Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: WIRED

Charlie chazbeenhad at hotmail.com
Wed Dec 5 17:10:45 EST 2012 

I tried DW for coco2 on my coco3 and it seems to work great.
I am loading it from disk, and it says Disk Extended Color Basic 1.1 just 
like my coco1.
HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 2

My basic programs with WIDTH and BUTTON commands still work even though it 
said DECB1.1
How is that working? Is it because the disk controller still plugged in has 
DECB2.1 ?

Charlie



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From: "Luis Antoniosi" <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:10 AM
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: 
WIRED

> no. super extended basic commands only works on coco3.
>
> but for basic games the speed poke is very welcome ;)
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Cheating? :) well I couldn't stay away from the coco3 games either, so 
>> now I have both setup.
>>
>> Sorry for my ignorance here, but if I run HDB-dos for coco2 in a 3 will 
>> coco3 stuff still work? Like basic programs with the BUTTON command?
>>
>> Sorry for all my typos, I have the worlds smallest android phone and I've 
>> been regretting its contract for mire than a year now:)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:47:36 GMT
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: 
>> WIRED
>>
>> But I like playing on a coco2 too because it's the real deal. There is
>> a MC6847 on it although the image output is crap.
>>
>> The gime chip is like cheating...
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Seriously? I had always thought the two computers worked differently. 
>>> Thanks! I give that a try. :)
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:42:14 GMT
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: 
>>> WIRED
>>>
>>> ouch I hates browsers that insist to loose focus....
>>>
>>> DW for Coco2 works fine on a coco3 and wont have speed poke at all.
>>> Just load HDBDOSC2.BIN or (.WAV if you use cassete) on it and you're
>>> done. Just don't forget to config DW to Coco2 speed too.
>>>
>>> Felipe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Luis Antoniosi 
>>> <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> DW
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Charlie Pelosi 
>>>> <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> No, I play DECB games daily. Honestly, for most if my life. :)
>>>>> I never used DW so much because I really don't like the highspeed mode 
>>>>> of the coco3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously it is a pain to poke normal speed before exec all the time. 
>>>>> For this reason I started using a coco2, and now a coco1.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like a DW HDB-DOS for coco3 that ran at coco2 speed with no high 
>>>>> speed mode. It's more than fast enough for working with DECB games.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nitros9 is a fantastic OS that shows off that coco power. But if there 
>>>>> is a game for I'm glad they all come with self booting images ::)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:09:03 GMT
>>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New 
>>>>> tool: WIRED
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian, I am on very same position as you: family, kids, house, car,
>>>>> dog, cat and bird. When I got the SuperIDE my first move was: to copy
>>>>> DECB disks into it and I found out it was nearly impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>> First the Aaron's tool Sidewalk was broken. For this reason I made a
>>>>> small command line tool to put and get disk from the CF card using the
>>>>> PC. After a month, Aaron fixed his tool. The Sidewalk is great because
>>>>> it has the GUI to browse all image but it still gets a lot of time to
>>>>> read all the disks so I still use my command line tool which take a
>>>>> second to write or get a disk on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The stock NitroOS-9 on superIDE does not access the RS-DOS drive (the
>>>>> IH). Nor it has support for any of the sierra or VDG games. So I had
>>>>> to learn a lot until I got a working copy of the nitros and manage to
>>>>> solve the problem with the rbsuper descriptors. That was a lot of
>>>>> learning curve. I do not have much time available on real hardware so
>>>>> it took a lot of time for me. Even when I got the /IH working I found
>>>>> out the pain it was copying from DW to it. Again I need to make a
>>>>> BASIC09 tool for it. Also I had to figure out how to install a fresh
>>>>> nitrOS-9 on a superIDE without a MPI.
>>>>>
>>>>> This what motivated me to make the WIRED tool. The Sidekick I did
>>>>> because I was sick of typing commands and the coco basic doesn't like
>>>>> typos, you made one you're screwed. Other BASIC like C-64 or even MSX
>>>>> they have a free screen cursor, you can just return the cursor there
>>>>> and fix it. But no my Coco. (hmmmm this gives me an idea!)
>>>>>
>>>>> But then I realized: why nobody else did it before ? Maybe nobody
>>>>> plays DECB games anymore ? Does everybody else use nitrOS-9 only ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I just love DECB and all its games. I also love the 32 column screen.
>>>>> I don't like using the 80 column display doesn't look like a coco for
>>>>> me :P
>>>>>
>>>>> Felipe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Brian Blake <random.rodder at gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/4/2012 4:43 PM, Robert Gault wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luis Antoniosi has demonstrated one approach which can handle 
>>>>>>> Drivewire
>>>>>>> plus one type of HDBDOS; one ROM loaded to RAM, the second the 
>>>>>>> current ROM.
>>>>>>> Extend it to a 16K ROM with the main package in the first half and 
>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>> specific routines in the second half, and there just might be room 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> support all flavors of drives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aside from the difficulties and work needed to attempt this, the
>>>>>>> requirement of a 16K ROM may make the concept Coco3 only. That would 
>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>> desirable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd fully agree that you'd want to support all CoCo models - however, 
>>>>>> WHY
>>>>>> would the move to a 16k ROM be CoCo3 only? Roger claimed CoCoNet 
>>>>>> would work
>>>>>> an any CoCo and I believe it's on a 16k ROM. I've only used it on a 
>>>>>> CoCo 3
>>>>>> so I don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not trying to be difficult, just want to understand...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As things stand right now, the point is moot for NitrOS-9 as you can 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> driver packages for any type hard drive and Drivewire co-existing in
>>>>>>> OS9Boot. I have this currently going for my SCSI drives and 
>>>>>>> Drivewire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not everybody works in or wants to work in NitrOS-9. And really, 
>>>>>> there's
>>>>>> quite a few people who have no clue how to set this stuff up under 
>>>>>> NitrOS-9
>>>>>> - myself included.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So this Super HDBDOS really is needed only for Disk Basic. Far as 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> goes, it is only needed to transfer files back and forth as Luis' 
>>>>>>> Wired does
>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I'm the only person who sees the utility in having your DOS be 
>>>>>> able to
>>>>>> see and access all the storage devices on the CoCo system, I don't 
>>>>>> know. For
>>>>>> those who like to play their RS-DOS based games, I'd think being able 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> copy files from your PC to help set up your SuperIDE in the easiest 
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> possible would be a benefit. I know NitrOS-9 is powerful and can do 
>>>>>> lots of
>>>>>> things RS-DOS cannot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, with three kids and a grand-daughter, working full time, and 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> house and cars to maintain, I personally do not have the time to 
>>>>>> learn how
>>>>>> to set up a NitrOS-9 boot disk, decide what modules to add to it, 
>>>>>> learn all
>>>>>> the methods of scripting and customization, etc... Yes, I'd LOVE to 
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> these things, as well as learn to write BASIC programs better and 
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> Assembly language as well. Right now, Disk Basic suits my needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, I'm not saying one person's needs outweighs the needs of the 
>>>>>> many - if
>>>>>> I'm indeed the only person to see a need or the usefulness of these 
>>>>>> changes,
>>>>>> then I probably should shut up. But, I'd imagine for people coming 
>>>>>> back to
>>>>>> the CoCo, or those who have a new-found interest for whatever reason, 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> first thing they are likely to see is a Disk Basic based OS like 
>>>>>> HDB-DOS or
>>>>>> CoCoNet if they dive in and get a SuperIDE for a storage solution or 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> DrivePak if the new 'owner' follows through with his promises. These 
>>>>>> changes
>>>>>> would probably be greatly beneficial to these people - especially if 
>>>>>> Disk
>>>>>> Basic is what they've used in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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