[Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: WIRED

Wed Dec 5 11:33:18 EST 2012

but any DW C3 access like DIR, LOAD. etc will put the coco3 on speed
poke. This is the way DW works.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
>
> One thought on the hdbdos coco 3 speed poke. You can use Robert Gault's basic autoexec program that's on the VCC RGBDOS disk and it will run on bootup to HDBDOS and there's an option to set the speed.
>
> I use it all on all my RSDOS partitions with DW and don't have a problem with the speed. That program could be expanded to a disk menu and it would reall be cool.
>
> Bill P
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luis Antoniosi <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:10 am
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: WIRED
>
>
> no. super extended basic commands only works on coco3.
>
> but for basic games the speed poke is very welcome ;)
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Cheating? :) well I couldn't stay away from the coco3 games either, so now I
> have both setup.
>>
>> Sorry for my ignorance here, but if I run HDB-dos for coco2 in a 3 will coco3
> stuff still work? Like basic programs with the BUTTON command?
>>
>> Sorry for all my typos, I have the worlds smallest android phone and I've been
> regretting its contract for mire than a year now:)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:47:36 GMT
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: WIRED
>>
>> But I like playing on a coco2 too because it's the real deal. There is
>> a MC6847 on it although the image output is crap.
>>
>> The gime chip is like cheating...
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> Seriously? I had always thought the two computers worked differently. Thanks!
> I give that a try. :)
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:42:14 GMT
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: WIRED
>>>
>>> ouch I hates browsers that insist to loose focus....
>>>
>>> DW for Coco2 works fine on a coco3 and wont have speed poke at all.
>>> Just load HDBDOSC2.BIN or (.WAV if you use cassete) on it and you're
>>> done. Just don't forget to config DW to Coco2 speed too.
>>>
>>> Felipe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Luis Antoniosi <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>> DW
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>> No, I play DECB games daily. Honestly, for most if my life. :)
>>>>> I never used DW so much because I really don't like the highspeed mode of
> the coco3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously it is a pain to poke normal speed before exec all the time. For
> this reason I started using a coco2, and now a coco1.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like a DW HDB-DOS for coco3 that ran at coco2 speed with no high speed
> mode. It's more than fast enough for working with DECB games.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nitros9 is a fantastic OS that shows off that coco power. But if there is a
> game for I'm glad they all come with self booting images ::)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:09:03 GMT
>>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool:
> WIRED
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian, I am on very same position as you: family, kids, house, car,
>>>>> dog, cat and bird. When I got the SuperIDE my first move was: to copy
>>>>> DECB disks into it and I found out it was nearly impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>> First the Aaron's tool Sidewalk was broken. For this reason I made a
>>>>> small command line tool to put and get disk from the CF card using the
>>>>> PC. After a month, Aaron fixed his tool. The Sidewalk is great because
>>>>> it has the GUI to browse all image but it still gets a lot of time to
>>>>> read all the disks so I still use my command line tool which take a
>>>>> second to write or get a disk on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The stock NitroOS-9 on superIDE does not access the RS-DOS drive (the
>>>>> IH). Nor it has support for any of the sierra or VDG games. So I had
>>>>> to learn a lot until I got a working copy of the nitros and manage to
>>>>> solve the problem with the rbsuper descriptors. That was a lot of
>>>>> learning curve. I do not have much time available on real hardware so
>>>>> it took a lot of time for me. Even when I got the /IH working I found
>>>>> out the pain it was copying from DW to it. Again I need to make a
>>>>> BASIC09 tool for it. Also I had to figure out how to install a fresh
>>>>> nitrOS-9 on a superIDE without a MPI.
>>>>>
>>>>> This what motivated me to make the WIRED tool. The Sidekick I did
>>>>> because I was sick of typing commands and the coco basic doesn't like
>>>>> typos, you made one you're screwed. Other BASIC like C-64 or even MSX
>>>>> they have a free screen cursor, you can just return the cursor there
>>>>> and fix it. But no my Coco. (hmmmm this gives me an idea!)
>>>>>
>>>>> But then I realized: why nobody else did it before ? Maybe nobody
>>>>> plays DECB games anymore ? Does everybody else use nitrOS-9 only ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I just love DECB and all its games. I also love the 32 column screen.
>>>>> I don't like using the 80 column display doesn't look like a coco for
>>>>> me :P
>>>>>
>>>>> Felipe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Brian Blake <random.rodder at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/4/2012 4:43 PM, Robert Gault wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luis Antoniosi has demonstrated one approach which can handle Drivewire
>>>>>>> plus one type of HDBDOS; one ROM loaded to RAM, the second the current
> ROM.
>>>>>>> Extend it to a 16K ROM with the main package in the first half and
> hardware
>>>>>>> specific routines in the second half, and there just might be room to
>>>>>>> support all flavors of drives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aside from the difficulties and work needed to attempt this, the
>>>>>>> requirement of a 16K ROM may make the concept Coco3 only. That would not
> be
>>>>>>> desirable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd fully agree that you'd want to support all CoCo models - however, WHY
>>>>>> would the move to a 16k ROM be CoCo3 only? Roger claimed CoCoNet would
> work
>>>>>> an any CoCo and I believe it's on a 16k ROM. I've only used it on a CoCo 3
>>>>>> so I don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not trying to be difficult, just want to understand...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As things stand right now, the point is moot for NitrOS-9 as you can have
>>>>>>> driver packages for any type hard drive and Drivewire co-existing in
>>>>>>> OS9Boot. I have this currently going for my SCSI drives and Drivewire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not everybody works in or wants to work in NitrOS-9. And really, there's
>>>>>> quite a few people who have no clue how to set this stuff up under
> NitrOS-9
>>>>>> - myself included.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So this Super HDBDOS really is needed only for Disk Basic. Far as that
>>>>>>> goes, it is only needed to transfer files back and forth as Luis' Wired
> does
>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I'm the only person who sees the utility in having your DOS be able
> to
>>>>>> see and access all the storage devices on the CoCo system, I don't know.
> For
>>>>>> those who like to play their RS-DOS based games, I'd think being able to
>>>>>> copy files from your PC to help set up your SuperIDE in the easiest way
>>>>>> possible would be a benefit. I know NitrOS-9 is powerful and can do lots
> of
>>>>>> things RS-DOS cannot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, with three kids and a grand-daughter, working full time, and a
>>>>>> house and cars to maintain, I personally do not have the time to learn how
>>>>>> to set up a NitrOS-9 boot disk, decide what modules to add to it, learn
> all
>>>>>> the methods of scripting and customization, etc... Yes, I'd LOVE to learn
>>>>>> these things, as well as learn to write BASIC programs better and learn
>>>>>> Assembly language as well. Right now, Disk Basic suits my needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, I'm not saying one person's needs outweighs the needs of the many -
> if
>>>>>> I'm indeed the only person to see a need or the usefulness of these
> changes,
>>>>>> then I probably should shut up. But, I'd imagine for people coming back to
>>>>>> the CoCo, or those who have a new-found interest for whatever reason, the
>>>>>> first thing they are likely to see is a Disk Basic based OS like HDB-DOS
> or
>>>>>> CoCoNet if they dive in and get a SuperIDE for a storage solution or the
>>>>>> DrivePak if the new 'owner' follows through with his promises. These
> changes
>>>>>> would probably be greatly beneficial to these people - especially if Disk
>>>>>> Basic is what they've used in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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