[Coco] Which Mark? Marlette or McDougal or Ormond? was Re: Intro.

Steven Triller trillersmi at hotmail.com
Sat Nov 13 20:11:24 EST 2010 

Not in the case of as you put it "been there", and those old punch-card driven machines do seem troublesome, as you pointed out if you do not keep them in proper order, well you will be unable to load the program that is stored on the set of punch-cards, how durable are they? What do you do if one is damaged? Can you copy/back it up easily? Are they somewhat practical? How long does it take to load a program by that method? 

> From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:06:04 -0500
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Which Mark? Marlette or McDougal or Ormond? was Re:	Intro.
> 
> Personally, I think progress is glorious.  "know of" is different  
> from "been there".
> 
> The good old days : typing up 100 cards on a punchcard machine,  
> marking the edges so that in case they get dropped you can put them  
> back in the right order, waiting 2 days for the ANOVA to come back  
> from the Computer Center.  I'll say it again : I think progress is  
> glorious.
> 
> On Nov 13, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Steven Triller wrote:
> 
> >
> > Well, "progress" is not as glorious as one might think, often new  
> > technologies are merely fads promoted by corporations with the  
> > agenda of making money, which is what they exist for. This sadly  
> > results in many good units that are still useful today and may be  
> > of historic value being tossed in the trash, also this create an  
> > environmental problem, so many good working CRT TV's thrown away  
> > because of the "Digital-Transition" sigh.............and they will  
> > continue to pile up in Garbage dumps..........why not recycle the  
> > useful material like the plastic and the metal parts? ? We could  
> > use them to at least produce the new Digital set's. As for what  
> > many may perceive to be boring stories about........well  
> > anything........those stories may well be relevant to those  
> > kids.....but rather than talk about something relevant to the  
> > world, they would rather talk about something stupid and irrelevant  
> > or about the "latest development" "look Apple computers just  
> > released a new Ipod" Or "did y
> >  ou know so and so are doing it?" How can people prioritize such  
> > frivolous discussion over what is relevant to the world? They are  
> > being consumed by their own petty self-interest and ignoring all  
> > that is around them, the problems and what is great about the  
> > world. I do not wish to change or "improve" this community, but the  
> > whole world, Call it CoCo or just Color Computer 3....although I do  
> > not think Mark 3 or Version 3 would be wrong, even though the  
> > general consensus is CoCo or Color computer. Lastly I am aware of a  
> > time when there was no personal computers, I know my history-I know  
> > of the big tubed computers used by the government and educational  
> > institutions in the 40's-70's.
> >
> >> From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net
> >> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:16:11 -0500
> >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> >> Subject: [Coco] Which Mark? Marlette or McDougal or Ormond? was  
> >> Re: Intro.
> >>
> >> Sounds like phishy went a trolling ...
> >>
> >> Madagascar, CoCoNut -- Art, that does make sense in a strange way.
> >>
> >> There will always be some people who desire to join a group just so
> >> they can "improve" it, and its just like us old curmudgeons to resist
> >> the "improvement".
> >>
> >> Gotta keep telling myself there are people on this list who never
> >> knew a time when there were no personal computers.
> >> Or even pocket calculators.
> >> I like regaling the kiddies with stories about the party line; they
> >> can't fathom the idea of placing a call through an operator.
> >> I miss my slipstick; my grandkids think I'm kidding when I talk of
> >> logarithmic scales.
> >>
> >> On Nov 13, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Steven Triller wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I understand, but do you not think that Mark or V3 would made more
> >>> sense than just 3?
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:53:14 -0700
> >>>> From: lost at l-w.ca
> >>>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Intro.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10-11-13 02:13 PM, Steven Triller wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well what is wrong with calling the Color Computer 3 the Mark 3?
> >>>>> That designation is accurate since it is the 3rd version of that
> >>>>> machine...somehow the Color Computer 3 without the the addition
> >>>>> of V or MK before the 3 seems improper....it is the 3rd version
> >>>>> or mark of the Color Computer....and that is why I have chosen
> >>>>> that designation...
> >>>>
> >>>> What's wrong with it is that it is not the designation from the
> >>>> original
> >>>> manufacturer. It says right on the box "Color Computer 3". Thus,  
> >>>> the
> >>>> correct name does not include "Mark" in it.
> >>>>
> >>>> That aside, there is over 20 years of history which calls it "Color
> >>>> Computer 3" with no "mark" in it. Thus, using that will likely
> >>>> confuse
> >>>> people.
> >>>>
> >>>> As a side note, the "Mark #" designation scheme is not commonly
> >>>> used in
> >>>> North America so it will likely confuse a substantial portion of  
> >>>> the
> >>>> people reached through this list.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:49:57 -0500
> >>>>>> From: flexser at fiu.edu
> >>>>>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Intro.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Welcome, but I've gotta ask:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What's an "MK 3" Color Computer?  Never heard of that beast.  Do
> >>>>>> you perhaps
> >>>>>> mean a CoCo 3?  Or, is it one of those CoCo clones sold only in
> >>>>>> Madagascar
> >>>>>> or someplace?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Art
> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Steven
> >>>>>> Triller<trillersmi at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, to introduce myself, I suppose I should say I am a  
> >>>>>>> collector
> >>>>>>> interested in vintage electronics from the old-era, why?
> >>>>>>> Because they
> >>>>>>> generally embody a better design both in the style of the
> >>>>>>> design and in the
> >>>>>>> quality of the hardware, and perhaps most importantly are still
> >>>>>>> useful and
> >>>>>>> certainly fun, in the case of vintage micro-computers they
> >>>>>>> offer all of the
> >>>>>>> basic functions that we use on modern computers today-that is
> >>>>>>> to say with
> >>>>>>> the right hardware and software you could even write a term-
> >>>>>>> paper on a Tandy
> >>>>>>> Color Computer. Furthermore, they also play great old-style/
> >>>>>>> arcade games, so
> >>>>>>> they are great gaming machines. The second generation of
> >>>>>>> hardware, in terms
> >>>>>>> of video games and computers was for me at least the best era,
> >>>>>>> so many
> >>>>>>> simple but innovative games made in that era-in short I think
> >>>>>>> there was much
> >>>>>>> more uniqueness in the design of games. As for the modern era-
> >>>>>>> games seem to
> >>>>>>> follow a predetermined pattern and consensus, in other words
> >>>>>>> genres and
> >>>>>>> franchises-in short what i
> >>>>>>>   s successful, the modern era seems stagnant, it is just a
> >>>>>>> game of follow
> >>>>>>> the leader. As for my interest in CoCo, I am interested in it
> >>>>>>> because of the
> >>>>>>> reasons cited above and so I just acquired a MK 3 Color
> >>>>>>> Computer, but I have
> >>>>>>>   no games for it.........so what I would really like is some
> >>>>>>> basic game
> >>>>>>> code so I can enter the the game code itself so that I can start
> >>>>>>> enjoying it-computers like the Commodore Vic-20 and The Coco
> >>>>>>> are really
> >>>>>>> great gaming computers, and that is my main interest-the type
> >>>>>>> of games I
> >>>>>>>   like are arcade-style games, Like Donkey Kong, Space
> >>>>>>> Invaders, Pacman
> >>>>>>> and so on. Also I am also interested in the history of the
> >>>>>>> Machine and as
> >>>>>>>   such would be interested in material like Consumer reports or
> >>>>>>> Ad's or
> >>>>>>> other material produced-magazine articles or general articles
> >>>>>>> especially
> >>>>>>>   those containing examples of game code, and introducing the
> >>>>>>> new CoCo.
> >>>>>>> These material are desired on the subject of CoCo, articles
> >>>>>>> made at the
> >>>>>>> height of The Color Computer's popularity from the early 80's
> >>>>>>> to the early
> >>>>>>> 90's........
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Steven
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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