[Coco] Why do a next Gen CoCo? was Any news on the so called CoCo4 or Next CoCo

[Aaron Wolfe]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Frank Swygert <farna at att.net> wrote:

> Ideally the emulator would be set up so that it booted directly into CoCo

> emulation mode. A stripped down OS with only the necessities (relatively

> easy to do with FreeDOS and Jeff Vavasour's DOS based emulator). For those

> who want to run with another OS as the primary then Virtual Box (which also

> runs under Windows) would be a good solution. A fork of MESS might actually

> be a good starting point, unless Jeff is willing to give up the code to a

> working group to modify (or do it himself).

>


I strongly suggest you require the emulation software be open source.
No matter how good the intentions of a single author, things happen.
People don't see eye to eye, or get busy, or lose interest, or get
frustrated, or a million other things.  If this is to be a community
project (and one that stands the test of time) the entire community
must have the ability to maintain and improve the software.



> I need to start another thread for this -- what would a CoCo successor have

> to have as a minimum to please most people? I think it needs an accessible

> I/O port. I still think the legacy LPT port (Centronic parallel port) would

> be a good easy access I/O port, but if someone wanted to design a USB port

> that would be accessible that's another option. The LPT port is just using

> existing hardware vs. creating new. I really don't think cartridge

> compatibility is important, though some way of connecting to a physical disk

> drive would be -- even if just through something like DriveWire or CoNect

> and a PC. Having access to an easily programmable port satisfies the

> experimenter's interest in such a computer.

>

> As for joysticks, there needs to be some layer of emulation between the CoCo

> port and a standard USB joystick or game pad. Might have to standardize on a

> type though.

>

> There has to be some limitations. I would think it could stop at CoCo3

> compatibility, drop the old video modes and such. There are a few games that

> require semi-graphics, but only a few. For those there are CoCo2 emulators.

> The main purpose of the new "machine" would be to provide an easy to program

> and interface with computer with CoCo3 compatibility to provide an existing

> software base. I'd think more people would want to program using the

> advanced graphics and such more than run old stuff on it.

>

> ---------------

> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:50:46 -0600

> From: Frank Pittel <fwp at deepthought.com>

>

> Whether running on dedicated hardware or an emulator running under an OS

> like

> linux or windows the "coco4" will be emulated. I have a number of issues

> with the

> "pc emulator" approach. The first is that I don't run windows and the odds

> are

> that any pc emulator will be a windows app. I can get around that with

> virtualbox

> and possibly wine but that's proven to be a major pain with vcc and so I

> don't use

> it.

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>

> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:19:18 -0500

> From: Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>

>

> Personally, I think emulators will never provide the CoCo experience

> that FPGA does. However, I do love using emulators when working on

> Coco software, they are a very useful tool. I also certainly

> understand the price issue.. if you can run the CoCo 4 without buying

> any special hardware, it will be accessible to more people. I have my

> doubts about a hardware interface for emulators that would let you

> connect real CoCo peripherals. There is an awful lot of complexity

> there, it's certainly over my head. But, there are some who support

> the idea of emulation and have said they aren't worried about

> connecting peripherals anyway.

>

> I love all things CoCo so even though I don't prefer it, I'm happy to

> help make the emulator based coco 4 a success if I can. What exactly

> is holding up such a thing from happening? We have at least three

> nice emulators and have had them for years. Is it just lacking

> someone interested and skilled enough to start adding new features?

> It's probably out of my league but if there was a list of ideas or

> desired things, I'd try to help.

>

> AFAIK, MESS is the only open source emulator, so the only option for

> adding new things. Unfortunately, the official MESS project probably

> wouldn't be very interested in anything outside of emulating the

> actual CoCo, and MESS already does a great job of that. To add new

> features in BASIC might be possible if it's just some changes in the

> ROM image, since you can load any image you want, but changing the

> emulated hardware would probably mean forking or maintaining a set of

> patches to the mainline MESS.

>

>

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