[Coco] An 8-Slot Multi-Pak Design for my Color Computer Friends

[Little John (GIMEchip.com)]

James,
I was just reading some of my replies to you - As it is impossible to 
transfer tones of voice, etc. via e-mail, I was afraid that my replies (at 
least one of them)  to you might have sounded as if I was trying to be 
rude - This is NOT the case - I just wanted you to know that I value each 
and every one of your observations regarding this design and you have 
pointed out plenty of areas that I need to improve - I APPRECIATE THIS my 
Friend. Thank You - John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jdaggett at gate.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] An 8-Slot Multi-Pak Design for my Color Computer Friends


> On 5 Jul 2010 at 16:06, afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Quoting "Little John (GIMEchip.com)" <sales at gimechip.com>:
>>
>> > Had to have a fourth of July Holiday, so now I'm back. Let's have a 
>> > look see:
>> >>
>> >> A huge mistake in not buffering the data bus on the main board. If
>> >> you are running a stock
>> >> Coco3, you do run the risk of damaging the MC6809E and the HD6309E
>> >> if the board
>> >> becomes detached while powered up.
>> >>
>> > That's easy enough to fix. However, even with the databuffer on the
>> > main board, detaching while powered up could cause damage,
>> > especially if it were knocked sideways - zap.
>>
>> I keep hearing this over and over again, but have not found the 6809E
>> any more suceptable to damage in this way compared to say a 6502 or a
>> Z80, and believe me I've done enough (un)intentional
>> plugging/unplugging things with the power on :( :( I don't recall
>> killing a 6809 yet.....perhaps I have been lucky.
>>
>> Mind this is in a CoCo 1/2 or a Dragon 32/64, so it may be different
>> in the CoCo 3.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>
> A lot depends on the load that is being plugged in or unpluged. NMOS 
> depletion loads are ot
> designed for hot swapping. So are CMOS outputs. When at a logic one 
> output, all the current
> is passing through a NMOS diode that has rather small geometry. Geometry 
> determines the
> amount of current that can pass throug the diode. Drawing much more than o 
> TTL load (~2.4
> mA) is potentially dangerous. Once that diode load burns out, the port 
> will no longer function
> properly. In any case you have been lucky.
>
> I went back and rechecked the Coco3 schematic and the databus is buffered 
> with a LS245.
> So that concern is not as critical. The address bus is not. It is pulled 
> high through some
> resistors that the COco1/2 fail to use. This does help some in transients. 
> The resistors along
> with the internal NMOS depletion load act like a current divider. Thus 
> enough of the
> damaging current could pass throough the resistors instead of the IC. 
> Transients can cause
> latent defects that build up over time to induce a permanent failure.
>
> james
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