[Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC

Wed Jan 20 21:57:38 EST 2010

And when I do run just mess.exe, I get the same results.
--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's 
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Campbell" <asa.rand at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC


>I tried mess.exe. The new version runs, but v132 would not. Are you running 
>mess.exe or messui.exe?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Devries" <devries.bob at gmail.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>
>
>> All I get is the actual coco screen. No menu bar, no pull-downs. I get 
>> the usual blue (on my laptop) window surround from Windows. This means I 
>> can't select devices etc. while running the emulation.
>>
>> Regards, Bob Devries
>>
>> --
>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of 
>> one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>
>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Wayne Campbell" <asa.rand at gmail.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>
>>
>>>I don't know what is happening there, Bob. I installed 136. I'm not sure 
>>>which menus you are describing. The menubar and toolbar are both 
>>>displayed in the emulator window. The menu lists while running the 
>>>emulator are there. Checking Use newui doesn't seem to do anything on my 
>>>laptop.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Bob Devries" <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>
>>>
>>>> And... even with "use new UI" ticked, still no menus. :(
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of 
>>>> one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>
>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wait.. did you want the menus?  check the box if so.  the menus are
>>>> the "New GUI".
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "Use New GUI" is NOT ticked. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of 
>>>>> one's
>>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Look in Miscellaneous, "Use New UI". The new UI is what provides the
>>>>> menus, probably not checked.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Aaron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I start a MESS emulation (Coco3 NTSC), it starts up the Coco in
>>>>>> window.
>>>>>> I lose the mouse pointer, but ALT-TAB does bring that back, albeit 
>>>>>> leaving
>>>>>> an @ character on the coco screen :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Default Game Properties, Controllers Tab, the option 'Enable mouse
>>>>>> input'
>>>>>> is unticked.
>>>>>> In 'controller mapping' the mouse device points to the Mouse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As per Robert Gault's suggestion, Sleep when possible and 
>>>>>> Multi-threaded
>>>>>> rendering are ticked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get no menu bar in version 0.136B, but I do in Version 0.110. Is 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> correct? Did they remove the menus in this version?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards, Bob Devries
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of 
>>>>>> one's
>>>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:49 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides not being able to use mouse or exit, does the emulator run,
>>>>>>> i.e. do you see a Coco?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This sort of happens in a default configuration I think..Try ALT-Tab
>>>>>>> to switch away. The mouse problem can normally be solved by telling
>>>>>>> MESS not to use the mouse: if you're using MESSUI then go into
>>>>>>> properties for the system and under Controllers, uncheck "Enable 
>>>>>>> mouse
>>>>>>> input". Also check that mouse is not selected for any of the inputs
>>>>>>> on the Controller Mapping page (other than Mouse device).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Video problems can be worked out usually on the Display page. "Run 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a window" and unchecking "Start out maximized" might make a
>>>>>>> difference. The various Videomode settings also might give better
>>>>>>> results (or worse).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the best things about MESS is the huge number of options
>>>>>>> available, but this can also be a problem when you aren't familiar
>>>>>>> with what they do. I'd bet you can solve some or all of the issues
>>>>>>> you have by tweaking things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck, let us know how it goes and maybe we can figure out any
>>>>>>> remaining issues.
>>>>>>> -Aaron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, it was me who can't run MESS on his laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I checked the settings you mentioned, Robert, but there's no 
>>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I start the emulation, I lose my mouse pointer altogether, and 
>>>>>>>> MESS
>>>>>>>> does not respond to *any* Function-keys at all. The only way to 
>>>>>>>> quit the
>>>>>>>> emulations is the three finger slaute (CTRL-ALT-DEL).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This laptop is an Acer Aspire 5315. It has an Intel Celeron 550
>>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>>> @
>>>>>>>> 2GHz and 1GB memory, running WinXP SP2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> one's
>>>>>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault"
>>>>>>>> <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" 
>>>>>>>> <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wayne Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been using MESS on my laptop because I can't get VCC to 
>>>>>>>>>> run on
>>>>>>>>>> it. The biggest problem I see with MESS is lack of information on 
>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> configure it for a given system, when you know nothing about what
>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>> to be set, or how.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It makes my laptop run warm, and there is visible hesitation in 
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> apps, no matter what they are. I have looked through the
>>>>>>>>>> documentation,
>>>>>>>>>> and if you are experienced enough in all of the areas concerned 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> understand it, you can configure it. Otherwise, you cannot. It 
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> nice if someone could come up with a configuration tutorial that
>>>>>>>>>> walked
>>>>>>>>>> the novice through the process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have you gone through the on screen Help available with MESS? 
>>>>>>>>> There are
>>>>>>>>> specific instructions that ought to help with your laptop. Look at 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> try:
>>>>>>>>> sleep when possible, multi-thread rendering, thread priority.
>>>>>>>>> These are all adjustable and should reduce the amount of CPU time
>>>>>>>>> allocated to MESS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco