From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 00:37:08 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:37:08 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial Message-ID: <007901ca4250$d7f699c0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> If there is enough interest on this list, I can provide a tutorial on the use of SYSCALL in Basic09. I had previously written this, but now don't have it with me, but, hey, I can rewrite it easily enough. If there's enough interest, I can post it to this list. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 From asa.rand at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 00:51:47 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial In-Reply-To: <007901ca4250$d7f699c0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> References: <007901ca4250$d7f699c0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: <166162.2059.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I, for one, am interested. Not that I need tutoring on the use, but there may be things in your tutorial that I am not familiar with. I am always interested in learning more about OS-9 and Basic09 and its utilities. Come to think of it, a tutorial on the use of gfx and gfx2 would be nice as well. Wayne ________________________________ From: Bob Devries To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:37:08 PM Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial If there is enough interest on this list, I can provide a tutorial on the use of SYSCALL in Basic09. I had previously written this, but now don't have it with me, but, hey, I can rewrite it easily enough. If there's enough interest, I can post it to this list. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Oct 1 01:19:42 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:19:42 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Powering a computer room/ham shack? In-Reply-To: <4AC3AD63.7000209@att.net> References: <4AC3AD63.7000209@att.net> Message-ID: Hey Frank, I wouldn't recommend replacing the outlet device as described. If you have a fire in the house (even if it's totally unrelated) and the insurance adjuster sees the un-approved electrical work, you may find your claim voided. Best to be on the safe side and pay the inspection/permit fee. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:12 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] Powering a computer room/ham shack? > > Running a 20A 220 circuit on 12 AWG is fine (two hots and one neutral). > That's really all you need to worry about. Run the 20A 220 to a small > sub panel. You'll only find 125A sub panels at Lowe's and such, but > again, that's not a problem. I don't know how many circuits you can > run, but as long as you don't exceed the 20A draw you're fine. Most sub > panels are run with a 30A or higher breaker, but they are run with more > draw in mind than what you have. I have a six breaker sub panel run in > my house but with a 50A 220V breaker in the box. I have 5 20A and 1 15A > breaker in the sub panel. This is just to divide lighting and zone the > outlets. The 15A breaker is for the lights, probably no more than 1A > draw with just over 100 watts of lights -- compact fluorescents -- and > that's if all are on at the same time... well, cut the ceiling fan on > and it might pull 2-3A. I don't know what the percentage over the main > breaker for the sub panel is (in your case a 20A), but I know it's at > lea > st twice the amount. If you're just putting 2-3 15A breakers and 15A > outlets in you're more than covered. > > You might want to just run 1 220V receptacle in a box with the spare > circuit until the inspector leaves. Then replace the receptacle and box > with a sub panel and 3-4 15A outlets, either each on their own breaker > or a pair on each breaker. I'm not recommending you do something > unsafe, as the 20A breaker will blow if you overload. It just makes it > easier for you to do without explaining anything. The inspectors > usually take the tack of "if you sell the house the new owners won't > know and might just stick a bigger breaker in." My thought is if > they're that stupid they're likely to screw something else up and burn > the house down too, you can't idiot proof everything! > > Most just don't run less than 30A to a sub panel, but your idea is more > to spread the load around, not put more than a 20A load on it. You'll > only have a problem if you start tripping the 20A 220V breaker. No > electric heaters down there!! Legally, you can work on your own wiring, > just not if it is a rental or commercial space (at least in most > states). > > #12 wire is good for 20A. http://www.electrical- > online.com/cableandwire.htm > > -------------- > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:28:02 -0500 > From: "John E. Malmberg" > > I am trying to set up a workshop where I may be able to play with my > COCOs and other toys again, so this is not totally off topic. > > Unfortunately the builder of my house, while putting in the plumbing > for > downstairs bathroom, only put one spare power cable, a 12 AWG with 3 > insulted wires and a ground. That would be good for 2 20 A split > neutral circuits. > > This is in addition to the required single 20 A circuit in the basement > that is currently active. Combined that gives me a total of 60 A in > the > basement. > > The resulting 60 Amps is more than sufficient for powering the expected > TVs, Ham Radios, and computers, and workbench tools. > > I would prefer though to have a sub-panel with multiple circuits, where > each circuit would just be 15 A, for the computers and the Ham Radios > and TVs. > > I have not been able to find a strong reference as to if this would > pass > a housing inspection. > > All the references on the Internet I have seen is using 30A dual > breakers and 10 AWG feeders to a sub panel. Putting in the 10 AWG > feeder would be difficult as there is no good path from the main panel > in the garage to the basement. I would likely have to run visible > conduit on the outside of the dry-wall. As such, I would probably have > to get a professional to install that. > > The NEC does seem to have tables indicating that a 20 A feed is > allowed, > as long as 20 A ganged breakers are used to protect it. > > > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 01:20:02 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:20:02 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial References: <007901ca4250$d7f699c0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> <166162.2059.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001ca4256$d5baf2e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Hi Wayne, I may be able to do a tutorial on GFX and GFX2, however, you could first look at the programme written by Don Berrie and myself called ZAP. That is written in Basic09 and has liberally used GFX2. Hmmm, I thought there should have been a copy of ZAP on RTSI, but I can't find it. Can someone point me to a copy online? -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > I, for one, am interested. Not that I need tutoring on the use, but there > may be things in your tutorial that I am not familiar with. I am always > interested in learning more about OS-9 and Basic09 and its utilities. Come > to think of it, a tutorial on the use of gfx and gfx2 would be nice as > well. > > Wayne > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Devries > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:37:08 PM > Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > > If there is enough interest on this list, I can provide a tutorial on the > use of SYSCALL in Basic09. > > I had previously written this, but now don't have it with me, but, hey, I > can rewrite it easily enough. > > If there's enough interest, I can post it to this list. > > Regards, Bob Devries > Las Pinas, Philippines > > -- > Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's > native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. > > Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From asa.rand at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 02:19:07 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial In-Reply-To: <008001ca4256$d5baf2e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> References: <007901ca4250$d7f699c0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> <166162.2059.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008001ca4256$d5baf2e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: <599219.19604.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Thanks for the info. If someone can point me to a copy of ZAP, I'll certainly look it over. I understand the use of both gfx and gfx2, but there are things I seem to always get wrong when I'm trying to write code for it, and looking through pdf's of the manuals is very time consuming. Being able to see examples of statements, even in another source file, is always better for me. Wayne ________________________________ From: Bob Devries To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:20:02 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial Hi Wayne, I may be able to do a tutorial on GFX and GFX2, however, you could first look at the programme written by Don Berrie and myself called ZAP. That is written in Basic09 and has liberally used GFX2. Hmmm, I thought there should have been a copy of ZAP on RTSI, but I can't find it. Can someone point me to a copy online? -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > I, for one, am interested. Not that I need tutoring on the use, but there may be things in your tutorial that I am not familiar with. I am always interested in learning more about OS-9 and Basic09 and its utilities. Come to think of it, a tutorial on the use of gfx and gfx2 would be nice as well. > > Wayne > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Devries > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:37:08 PM > Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > > If there is enough interest on this list, I can provide a tutorial on the use of SYSCALL in Basic09. > > I had previously written this, but now don't have it with me, but, hey, I can rewrite it easily enough. > > If there's enough interest, I can post it to this list. > > Regards, Bob Devries > Las Pinas, Philippines > > -- > Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. > > Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 02:29:48 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:29:48 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL Tutorial Message-ID: <009101ca4260$94cf07d0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Using SYSCALL in Basic09 While I will concede that using SHELL commands inside Basic09 procedures reduces the code size and may make the code more readable, I abhor its use, since it often poses problems, particularly if the CMDS referred to by SHELL do not exist on the user's disk. This problem is not just apparent in Basic09, but also in C and assembler programming; hence the problem with DELDIR which calls ATTR. This works fine for a stock OS-9 system, but once changes are made, whammo! Basic09 has a perfectly usable method of accessing the system commands through the use of the SYSCALL function. SYSCALL takes two arguments; the callcode, and a pointer to a complex variable containing the CPU registers. The register variable is set up using the TYPE command like this: TYPE registers = cc, a, b, dp:byte; x, y, u:integer After that, using the DIM command creates memory space for it: DIM regs:registers The callcode is also DIMensioned as BYTE: DIM callcode:BYTE The callcode is the byte that's usually associated with the OS9 macro in assembler programming: OS9 I$SetStt Or OS9 $8E If we want to access the options section (as for instance, to change the TMODE settings), we also need to set aside a 32 byte memory packet: DIM status_packet[32]:BYTE So how do we use all this? If we are going to make changes to system settings, we should first save a copy of those settings so we can restore them to what they were. Here's how: TYPE registers = cc, a, b, dp: BYTE; x, y, u: INTEGER DIM regs: registers DIM callcode: BYTE DIM status_packet[32]: BYTE DIM pause:byte callcode = $8D (* I$GetStt System Call *) regs.a = 1 (* STDOUT *) regs.b = 0 (* SS.Opt *) regs.x = ADDR(status_packet) (* get pointer to address packet memory *) RUN SYSCALL(callcode, regs) (* call the system function *) We now have an unmodified copy of the options packet. For the purpose of this tutorial, I will only save one byte from the status_packet array. Depending on the usage, you may need to save the whole array. By the way, contents of the status packet is documented on page 6-2 and following of the OS9 Technical Reference Manual. Only bytes at offset $20 to $3F are copied from the path descriptor by the I$GetStt call. pause = status_packet[7] (* offset to the PD.PAU ($27) option *) IF pause = 0 THEN PRINT "Page pause is off" ELSE PRINT "Page pause is on" ENDIF To set page pause to off (assuming it was on to start with), here's what we do: status_packet[7] = 0 (* set IT.PAU to 0 = OFF *) callcode = $8E (* I$SetStt system call *) We can assume that all the settings previously used to call SYSCALL are unchanged. We can then call the SYSCALL function. RUN SYSCALL (callcode, regs) PRINT "Page pause is now off" Don't forget to return the system to the condition it was in before! status_packet[7] = pause (* return to original state *) RUN SYSCALL(callcode, regs) I hope this helps some people. Any questions may be directed to me via this list. In the even that I've made mistakes, kindly point them out to me! Regards, Bob Devries -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 02:38:25 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:38:25 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial References: <007901ca4250$d7f699c0$6501a8c0@aceraspire><166162.2059.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com><008001ca4256$d5baf2e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> <599219.19604.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009a01ca4261$c90a0b20$6501a8c0@aceraspire> I'm with you Wayne. I'd much rather read the printed page than the computer screen. Sadly, although I own the necessary manuals, I'm a long way from where they are, so I'm having to read the PDF files too. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas City, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > Hi Bob, > > Thanks for the info. If someone can point me to a copy of ZAP, I'll > certainly look it over. I understand the use of both gfx and gfx2, but > there are things I seem to always get wrong when I'm trying to write code > for it, and looking through pdf's of the manuals is very time consuming. > Being able to see examples of statements, even in another source file, is > always better for me. > > Wayne > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Devries > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:20:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > > Hi Wayne, > > I may be able to do a tutorial on GFX and GFX2, however, you could first > look at the programme written by Don Berrie and myself called ZAP. That is > written in Basic09 and has liberally used GFX2. > > Hmmm, I thought there should have been a copy of ZAP on RTSI, but I can't > find it. Can someone point me to a copy online? > > -- > Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's > native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. > > Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > > >> I, for one, am interested. Not that I need tutoring on the use, but there >> may be things in your tutorial that I am not familiar with. I am always >> interested in learning more about OS-9 and Basic09 and its utilities. >> Come to think of it, a tutorial on the use of gfx and gfx2 would be nice >> as well. >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Devries >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:37:08 PM >> Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial >> >> If there is enough interest on this list, I can provide a tutorial on the >> use of SYSCALL in Basic09. >> >> I had previously written this, but now don't have it with me, but, hey, I >> can rewrite it easily enough. >> >> If there's enough interest, I can post it to this list. >> >> Regards, Bob Devries >> Las Pinas, Philippines >> >> -- >> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of >> one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. >> >> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 04:17:35 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:17:35 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial References: <007901ca4250$d7f699c0$6501a8c0@aceraspire><166162.2059.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com><008001ca4256$d5baf2e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> <599219.19604.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a101ca426f$a41c94a0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Regarding GFX2 (and this probably includes GFX also), it is my experience that often the PATH parameter is forgotten, and so STDOUT is assumed by the system, even if the other GFX commands are going to a window that's created by the programme. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas City, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > Hi Bob, > > Thanks for the info. If someone can point me to a copy of ZAP, I'll > certainly look it over. I understand the use of both gfx and gfx2, but > there are things I seem to always get wrong when I'm trying to write code > for it, and looking through pdf's of the manuals is very time consuming. > Being able to see examples of statements, even in another source file, is > always better for me. > > Wayne > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Devries > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:20:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > > Hi Wayne, > > I may be able to do a tutorial on GFX and GFX2, however, you could first > look at the programme written by Don Berrie and myself called ZAP. That is > written in Basic09 and has liberally used GFX2. > > Hmmm, I thought there should have been a copy of ZAP on RTSI, but I can't > find it. Can someone point me to a copy online? > > -- > Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's > native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. > > Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > > >> I, for one, am interested. Not that I need tutoring on the use, but there >> may be things in your tutorial that I am not familiar with. I am always >> interested in learning more about OS-9 and Basic09 and its utilities. >> Come to think of it, a tutorial on the use of gfx and gfx2 would be nice >> as well. >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Devries >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:37:08 PM >> Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial >> >> If there is enough interest on this list, I can provide a tutorial on the >> use of SYSCALL in Basic09. >> >> I had previously written this, but now don't have it with me, but, hey, I >> can rewrite it easily enough. >> >> If there's enough interest, I can post it to this list. >> >> Regards, Bob Devries >> Las Pinas, Philippines >> >> -- >> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of >> one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. >> >> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From farna at att.net Thu Oct 1 12:03:54 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:03:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Powering a computer room/ham shack? Message-ID: <4AC4D2EA.2090509@att.net> That shouldn't be a problem. Homeowners are allowed to do their own work, as long as it follows code and is safe. For minor changes no permit or inspection is necessary, and adding a sub panel in place of a 220 outlet would be minor. Just make sure the box is properly grounded. I understand inspectors have to be strict, but sometimes they get carried away and assume the end user is an idiot when it comes to electricity. Most of the people on this list are more familiar with electricity than the average home owner, or at least I would assume so. A 20A sub panel? Most electricians would just tell you to connect 3-4 outlets to the 20A 110 line and let it go at that. That's not a problem either. My understanding is there is already one 20A outlet circuit for the basement this is going into, but I don't know what it will be powering or if it's just an "empty" circuit for utility outlets. The sub panel appears to be for a little extra safety and convenience. Work on something and blow just that one breaker which is withing easy reach, not cut power to half the basement outlets then have to go upstairs to reset it. The inspector may be fine with it for that reason, you don't know until he sees it and says "yea or nay". I was just saying save some hassle with a possibly tough inspector. from http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/electrical-lighting/number-outlets-per-braker-58789.html: "There is no maximum quantity of outlets for a residential general purpose lighting circuit according to the National Electric Code. For all other than residential, the maximum is 8 outlets on a 15 amp circuit and 10 on a 20 amp circuit. This is widely used as a guide in residential,but is not mandatory and is flexible." AND "You shouldn't exceed 80% of a circuits rating, 1440 watts for 15 amps, and 1920 for a 20 amp." Local building codes may have a limit on how many outlets per breaker. The general rule that all the residential electricians I know is no more than four outlets on a single breaker. --------- Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:19:42 -0700 From: Mike Pepe Hey Frank, I wouldn't recommend replacing the outlet device as described. If you have a fire in the house (even if it's totally unrelated) and the insurance adjuster sees the un-approved electrical work, you may find your claim voided. Best to be on the safe side and pay the inspection/permit fee. >From Frank: >You might want to just run 1 220V receptacle in a box with the spare > circuit until the inspector leaves. Then replace the receptacle and box > with a sub panel and 3-4 15A outlets, either each on their own breaker > or a pair on each breaker. I'm not recommending you do something > unsafe, as the 20A breaker will blow if you overload. It just makes it > easier for you to do without explaining anything. The inspectors > usually take the tack of "if you sell the house the new owners won't > know and might just stick a bigger breaker in." My thought is if > they're that stupid they're likely to screw something else up and burn > the house down too, you can't idiot proof everything! -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 22:11:56 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:11:56 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Interesting website Message-ID: <002901ca4305$b9f948e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> In my idle moments while searching for something else, I found the following website: http://maben.homeip.net/static/S100/MAGAZINE/ This site has a number of scanned magazines, including a few Colour Computer related ones. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas City, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 From asa.rand at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 13:14:49 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial In-Reply-To: <00a101ca426f$a41c94a0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> References: <007901ca4250$d7f699c0$6501a8c0@aceraspire><166162.2059.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com><008001ca4256$d5baf2e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> <599219.19604.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00a101ca426f$a41c94a0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: <805249.46416.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I noticed that the tutorial showed up in the archives, but I never received the email in my inbox. After reading it, I did see one thing. I don't know why I never thought of it. I'm using SysCall to GET the packet and check the pause status. I should have used SysCall to SET the pause on and off. It wouldn't have added anything to the code, really. The variables were already there, and the code to set the status is only different by the CallCode value ($8E to set, as opposed to $8D to get). I think, by doing it that way, I wouldn't have to worry about version differences. Wayne ________________________________ From: Bob Devries To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:17:35 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial Regarding GFX2 (and this probably includes GFX also), it is my experience that often the PATH parameter is forgotten, and so STDOUT is assumed by the system, even if the other GFX commands are going to a window that's created by the programme. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas City, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > Hi Bob, > > Thanks for the info. If someone can point me to a copy of ZAP, I'll certainly look it over. I understand the use of both gfx and gfx2, but there are things I seem to always get wrong when I'm trying to write code for it, and looking through pdf's of the manuals is very time consuming. Being able to see examples of statements, even in another source file, is always better for me. > > Wayne > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Devries > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:20:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > > Hi Wayne, > > I may be able to do a tutorial on GFX and GFX2, however, you could first look at the programme written by Don Berrie and myself called ZAP. That is written in Basic09 and has liberally used GFX2. > > Hmmm, I thought there should have been a copy of ZAP on RTSI, but I can't find it. Can someone point me to a copy online? > > -- > Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. > > Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial > > >> I, for one, am interested. Not that I need tutoring on the use, but there may be things in your tutorial that I am not familiar with. I am always interested in learning more about OS-9 and Basic09 and its utilities. Come to think of it, a tutorial on the use of gfx and gfx2 would be nice as well. >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Devries >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:37:08 PM >> Subject: [Coco] SYSCALL tutorial >> >> If there is enough interest on this list, I can provide a tutorial on the use of SYSCALL in Basic09. >> >> I had previously written this, but now don't have it with me, but, hey, I can rewrite it easily enough. >> >> If there's enough interest, I can post it to this list. >> >> Regards, Bob Devries >> Las Pinas, Philippines >> >> -- >> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. >> >> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From asa.rand at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 13:25:59 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] changes to DCom code Message-ID: <907351.90414.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As I am going through the code, I am making changes to reflect corrections. Some of these corrections I made previously (in 1993), but it was after I printed out the copy I still have. I am including comments where code changes are being made, to reflect the fact that the change did not occur in my printed source, or was added to compensate for changes to the OS. Also, I use TextPad to work on my source files. With its ability to use syntax files, I'm able to colorize the code, making it easier to spot things more quickly. In the syntax file, there are different forms of comments it can deal with. For single line comment, I set it to recognize REM. For alternate single line comment, I set it to recognize ! (exclamation point). Even though Basic09 does not have a block comment, the use of (* has been used as a "block form": (* comment text *) I set the syntax file to recognize (* as the beginning of a block and *) as the end of a block. Because of this, the code in TextPad will be all comments if the *) isn't present, so I have modified all of the comments in DCom's code to contain it. I also have included block indention to make it easier to read the code. Basic09 just strips leading spaces from the source, so the indention won't affect the overall size of the code when loaded. All indention is set at 2 spaces, except the first level (the beginning of the statements). That is set to 3 so line numbers are left-justified and the code is aligned with the fourth column. I'll be uploading the modified code to source forge later today. Wayne From brucewcalkins at charter.net Fri Oct 2 18:29:24 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:29:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Interesting website References: <002901ca4305$b9f948e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: <6BA7B85750534D77AF8FB325DAF0DF80@speedy> Regrettably, most of my downloads from the site result in corrupted or otherwise nonfunctional PDF files. Bruce W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Devries" > In my idle moments while searching for something else, I found the > following website: > > http://maben.homeip.net/static/S100/MAGAZINE/ > > This site has a number of scanned magazines, including a few Colour > Computer related ones. > > Regards, Bob Devries > Las Pinas City, Philippines From asa.rand at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 22:14:31 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] updated DCom files Message-ID: <337261.79490.qm@web53701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The updated DCom files and .os9 image files are now on sourceforge. Wayne From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 00:26:39 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:26:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> Words can't even describe what's been brought back here. Literally everything about the CoCo is spoken in these 10 years of Delphi posts. I see source code, technical specs, hacks, pokes, peeks, fest news, software and game reviews, tutorials, conversations, debates, and thousands of other topics from people who are still with us and people who have passed on. Stuff you had no clue about can be found in these posts. A lot of people with us today obviously were very active back in the 80's, and they have hundreds of messages to prove it. If *you* want to see your old Delphi messages.... just enter your old nickname, first name, or full name in the search box in the left sidebar and maybe you'll get a surprise. One example is seeing all the Steve Bjork posts spew out in a listing ready to explore. It's amazing. http://www.coco3.com/community/?s=6809er&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Search So, are we ready for the Compuserve archives now?? -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 00:57:54 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002233611.04cb09f0@coco3.com> As of tonight I have found and queued up every movie known to have the CoCo in it, except for the Street Hawk season 1 episode 1 (1985). If somebody can point me to where to grab that on DVD, I'd appreciate it. -- ~ Roger Taylor From flexser at fiu.edu Sat Oct 3 01:53:14 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:53:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> Message-ID: Wow, that was a blast from the past, looking at some of my old messages from 1988, none of which I had any recollection of. The only improvement I could suggest is this: There presently seems to be no way to do the equivalent of Delphi's BACK command to see the previous message in the thread, the one that the message you're look at was a reply to. Or, is there some way of doing this that I neglected to try? I understand that some of such messages are missing, but it would be nice to be able to view ones that aren't. Maybe allow the user to click on the message number after the "Re: Msg" in the subject line to do this if the previous message exists, otherwise don't highlight the message number? Great job! Art On 10/3/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > > > Words can't even describe what's been brought back here. Literally > everything about the CoCo is spoken in these 10 years of Delphi posts. I > see source code, technical specs, hacks, pokes, peeks, fest news, software > and game reviews, tutorials, conversations, debates, and thousands of other > topics from people who are still with us and people who have passed on. > Stuff you had no clue about can be found in these posts. A lot of people > with us today obviously were very active back in the 80's, and they have > hundreds of messages to prove it. > > If *you* want to see your old Delphi messages.... just enter your old > nickname, first name, or full name in the search box in the left sidebar and > maybe you'll get a surprise. > > One example is seeing all the Steve Bjork posts spew out in a listing ready > to explore. It's amazing. > > > http://www.coco3.com/community/?s=6809er&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Search > > > So, are we ready for the Compuserve archives now?? > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From lothan at newsguy.com Sat Oct 3 03:12:41 2009 From: lothan at newsguy.com (Lothan) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:12:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> Message-ID: <46C242A930E74F73BA84EC5D41E67F7E@Crossfire> I was looking over the Delphi messages and noticed how fragmented the threads are as well. I doubt what you're suggesting would be much help because the message referenced in the Re: tags don't' exist. In other words, look at the Iron Forest messages and you'll see 52635 re: 52438 in one thread and 52594 re: 52578 with a reply 52813 re: 52594. The problem here is that (as far I can tell), neither 52438 nor 52578 exist in the archive (presumably because they were deleted from Delphi before the messages were captured). I wonder if it might be better to thread the messages by subject? That would probably be the easiest thing to do given the number of message missing from the archive. Another possibility might be to try to rebuild the tree by creating dummy placeholders for the missing messages, but that would probably require some amount of fuzzy matching since I'm sure some threads have intermediate linking messages missing as well. In other words, A->deleted->C is likely fairly trivial to relink into a coherent thread, but A->deleted->deleted->D is a little trickier. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Flexser" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:53 AM To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) > Wow, that was a blast from the past, looking at some of my old messages > from > 1988, none of which I had any recollection of. > > The only improvement I could suggest is this: There presently seems to be > no way to do the equivalent of Delphi's BACK command to see the previous > message in the thread, the one that the message you're look at was a reply > to. Or, is there some way of doing this that I neglected to try? I > understand that some of such messages are missing, but it would be nice to > be able to view ones that aren't. Maybe allow the user to click on the > message number after the "Re: Msg" in the subject line to do this if the > previous message exists, otherwise don't highlight the message number? > > Great job! > > Art From tjseagrove at writeme.com Sat Oct 3 08:34:53 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:34:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <46C242A930E74F73BA84EC5D41E67F7E@Crossfire> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <46C242A930E74F73BA84EC5D41E67F7E@Crossfire> Message-ID: <000d01ca4425$e8671970$b9354c50$@com> I think we should just stand in awe at the unfolding of coco history before our eyes. Data tidy up can come over time but I am amazed that all this is coming together so well. Someone is burning the midnight oil to make this happen and I applaud the doers that make this community move forward. Congrats Roger on a job well done and I look forward to what you more you impress us with as we go along... Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Lothan Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:13 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) I was looking over the Delphi messages and noticed how fragmented the threads are as well. I doubt what you're suggesting would be much help because the message referenced in the Re: tags don't' exist. In other words, look at the Iron Forest messages and you'll see 52635 re: 52438 in one thread and 52594 re: 52578 with a reply 52813 re: 52594. The problem here is that (as far I can tell), neither 52438 nor 52578 exist in the archive (presumably because they were deleted from Delphi before the messages were captured). I wonder if it might be better to thread the messages by subject? That would probably be the easiest thing to do given the number of message missing from the archive. Another possibility might be to try to rebuild the tree by creating dummy placeholders for the missing messages, but that would probably require some amount of fuzzy matching since I'm sure some threads have intermediate linking messages missing as well. In other words, A->deleted->C is likely fairly trivial to relink into a coherent thread, but A->deleted->deleted->D is a little trickier. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Flexser" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:53 AM To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) > Wow, that was a blast from the past, looking at some of my old messages > from > 1988, none of which I had any recollection of. > > The only improvement I could suggest is this: There presently seems to be > no way to do the equivalent of Delphi's BACK command to see the previous > message in the thread, the one that the message you're look at was a reply > to. Or, is there some way of doing this that I neglected to try? I > understand that some of such messages are missing, but it would be nice to > be able to view ones that aren't. Maybe allow the user to click on the > message number after the "Re: Msg" in the subject line to do this if the > previous message exists, otherwise don't highlight the message number? > > Great job! > > Art -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sat Oct 3 11:34:57 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:34:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> Roger, The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of posts that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never part of. Near the top of the list, I never posted as part of both "Kaboom! For Coco 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts that I've made on your website are still lost. I only count 5 post that been recovered. As the caretaker of the information, you should spend more time repairing YOUR database before adding others. Steve Roger Taylor wrote: > > Words can't even describe what's been brought back here. Literally > everything about the CoCo is spoken in these 10 years of Delphi > posts. I see source code, technical specs, hacks, pokes, peeks, fest > news, software and game reviews, tutorials, conversations, debates, > and thousands of other topics from people who are still with us and > people who have passed on. Stuff you had no clue about can be found > in these posts. A lot of people with us today obviously were very > active back in the 80's, and they have hundreds of messages to prove it. > > If *you* want to see your old Delphi messages.... just enter your old > nickname, first name, or full name in the search box in the left > sidebar and maybe you'll get a surprise. > > One example is seeing all the Steve Bjork posts spew out in a listing > ready to explore. It's amazing. > From cyberpunk at prtc.net Sat Oct 3 11:55:15 2009 From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 11:55:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] In light of removal of the CoCo Forums I volunteer to create one in a public domaiin References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: There are pretty good public forum hosting domains out there and given the fact that we no longer have a board for the comunity at large I'm more than willing to create one to fill the void, For some reason such public domains seem more resilient to attacks than those one has to pay for in the first place. So if anyone is interestesd in recreating a board for our beloved CoCo community please let me know... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bjork" <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) > Roger, > The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of posts > that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never part of. Near > the top of the list, I never posted as part of both "Kaboom! For Coco > 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. > > But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts that > I've made on your website are still lost. I only count 5 post that been > recovered. As the caretaker of the information, you should spend more > time repairing YOUR database before adding others. > > Steve From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 3 12:13:00 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Coco3.com Issues Message-ID: <654025.70005.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am not sure whats going on with the coco3.com web site. After the change over to the new format I posted a link to my archives in an attempt to make sure that information is still there for users and all i got in return was a reply from the admin that I could have used an insert link function in my message and how they will have to correct my error later. Not a thanks for contributing or at least the courtesy to not be rude about a minor issue in my post. ? I don't mind donating to a web site to keep it running, I know it's not free but I think the admins there may want to spend a little less time trying to Satisfy Steve Bjork, who though he is a great coco programmer seems to be a bit arrogant in the way he has treated Roger as of late. (If he wants to leave the community then do it but don't be rude to people trying to get things back up and running). And maybe try being a bit more friendly to those who want to help because we love the coco and love the years of enjoyment coco3.com has provided. So in conclusion Coco3 Admins: Ignore Steve Bjork and hisUuber-Ego. Remember there are those out there who want to help the site be re-built and grow. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 3 12:15:29 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <364493.40585.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve, Why not just leave the coco community like you intended? Every post you make is mean spirited towards Roger and to be honest your arrogance is astounding. Unless your funding any of this then try to be a bit more polite. Even if you are funding any of this your still being rude. You have given a lot to the community over the years but that does not give you the right to be bossy and rude to Roger. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> wrote: From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:34 AM Roger, The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of posts that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never part of.? Near the top of the list, I never posted as part of both "Kaboom! For Coco 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts that I've made on your website are still lost.? I only count 5 post that been recovered.? As the caretaker of the information, you should spend more time repairing YOUR database before adding others. Steve Roger Taylor wrote: > > Words can't even describe what's been brought back here.? Literally everything about the CoCo is spoken in these 10 years of Delphi posts.? I see source code, technical specs, hacks, pokes, peeks, fest news, software and game reviews, tutorials, conversations, debates, and thousands of other topics from people who are still with us and people who have passed on.? Stuff you had no clue about can be found in these posts.? A lot of people with us today obviously were very active back in the 80's, and they have hundreds of messages to prove it. > > If *you* want to see your old Delphi messages.... just enter your old nickname, first name, or full name in the search box in the left sidebar and maybe you'll get a surprise. > > One example is seeing all the Steve Bjork posts spew out in a listing ready to explore.? It's amazing. > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cyberpunk at prtc.net Sat Oct 3 13:31:17 2009 From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) References: <364493.40585.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have tried to avoid this but it can no longer be avoided, Mr Bjork as you well know I admire you a great deal but I see no reason for you browbeat Mr Taylor who has gone out of his way to restore the hacked database of the sadly now forever gone CoCo3 board. What is it for crying out loud? Do you hold him personally responsable for what happened to your posts somehow? This needs to stop. From jimhrubik at earthlink.net Sat Oct 3 12:15:14 2009 From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:15:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: I don't know if we will ever get all of the stuff back. My congrats to Roger for the outstanding dedication to getting this as far as he has. I know that I posted quite frequently on Delphi in the late 80's. There was a goodly amount of "social" chatter that occurred in those days, just as now, and I'm hoping that a lot more of the OT stuff will show up. Yes, at the time the OT stuff is posted it may tend to irritate the very serious among us, but looking back a decade or more, some of it is hilarious, and it provides a peek into our quirks and foibles. Or maybe that is a reason why some people would prefer it never again sees the light of day?? %^D Ever look back at the old photos of folks you know in tie-dyed T-shirts and leisure suits? The emails are literary photographs. Good work, Roger. I certainly have no complaints about your efforts. --Jim On Oct 3, 2009, at Saturday, October 3, 2009 - 11:34 AM, Steve Bjork wrote: > Roger, > The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of > posts that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never > part of. Near the top of the list, I never posted as part of both > "Kaboom! For Coco 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. > > But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts > that I've made on your website are still lost. I only count 5 post > that been recovered. As the caretaker of the information, you > should spend more time repairing YOUR database before adding others. > > Steve > > Roger Taylor wrote: >> >> Words can't even describe what's been brought back here. >> Literally everything about the CoCo is spoken in these 10 years of >> Delphi posts. I see source code, technical specs, hacks, pokes, >> peeks, fest news, software and game reviews, tutorials, >> conversations, debates, and thousands of other topics from people >> who are still with us and people who have passed on. Stuff you >> had no clue about can be found in these posts. A lot of people >> with us today obviously were very active back in the 80's, and >> they have hundreds of messages to prove it. >> >> If *you* want to see your old Delphi messages.... just enter your >> old nickname, first name, or full name in the search box in the >> left sidebar and maybe you'll get a surprise. >> >> One example is seeing all the Steve Bjork posts spew out in a >> listing ready to explore. It's amazing. >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco *** [[[===]]] *** Obstructionist : a lemming who refuses to hurry. *** [[[===]]] *** From the Sayings of Grampa Jim, Copyright 2009. Unauthorized use of my stuff may cause senility. *** [[[===]]] *** email : jimhrubik at earthlink.net info : http://www.hrubikappraisal.com blog1 : http://hrubikappraisal.blogspot.com blog2 : http://grandpa-jim.blogspot.com From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 15:35:55 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:35:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <46C242A930E74F73BA84EC5D41E67F7E@Crossfire> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <46C242A930E74F73BA84EC5D41E67F7E@Crossfire> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003141833.05009480@coco3.com> At 02:12 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >I was looking over the Delphi messages and noticed how fragmented >the threads are as well. I doubt what you're suggesting would be >much help because the message referenced in the Re: tags don't' >exist. In other words, look at the Iron Forest messages and you'll >see 52635 re: 52438 in one thread and 52594 re: 52578 with a reply >52813 re: 52594. The problem here is that (as far I can tell), >neither 52438 nor 52578 exist in the archive (presumably because >they were deleted from Delphi before the messages were captured). > >I wonder if it might be better to thread the messages by subject? >That would probably be the easiest thing to do given the number of >message missing from the archive. Another possibility might be to >try to rebuild the tree by creating dummy placeholders for the >missing messages, but that would probably require some amount of >fuzzy matching since I'm sure some threads have intermediate linking >messages missing as well. In other words, A->deleted->C is likely >fairly trivial to relink into a coherent thread, but >A->deleted->deleted->D is a little trickier. I might try using a backwards search for the parent message if the parent ID doesn't actually exist. This is where I can just filter the subject line, removing the (Re: #####) part and looking for the most recent same subject, and Assuming it's the parent. If no equal subject is found over, say, a week's time, then the message would become a New Post. -- ~ Roger Taylor From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 3 15:51:30 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002233611.04cb09f0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <743452.33566.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No tin a movie but I saw a Grey Coco I as a prop in an office on an episode of The Rockford Files recently. I got all excited and had to tell me wife.. She humored me.. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Roger Taylor wrote: From: Roger Taylor Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 9:57 PM As of tonight I have found and queued up every movie known to have the CoCo in it, except for the Street Hawk season 1 episode 1 (1985).? If somebody can point me to where to grab that on DVD, I'd appreciate it. -- ~ Roger Taylor -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From random_rodder at yahoo.com Sat Oct 3 15:45:47 2009 From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <642445.94012.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I've sat back and bit my tongue on a lot of stuff recently, so I'm sure I'm going to piss someone off with what I say next... Steve, your games have made a great contribution that will go down in CoCo history as some of the best for the CoCo1, 2, or 3. But, I have to ask: can the work of someone else make you happy? Are you so self centered that you feel compelled to point out whenever you find a flaw in what someone else does or how they operate their website? I have yet to see you offer any assistance to Roger in helping him him recover and sort the data. If you have and I missed it, I'll certainly apologize. In any case, you need to stop being so damn self centered and arrogant. When I found out you were coming back to the CoCo community right before the Fest a few years ago, I was excited. I wanted to talk to you and learn from you. After all, who better to learn from than a person many considered to be a master. What have I learned so far? That I don't want to ACT like you. You are not the only one to have lost posts from CoCo3.com. Briza was a member of CoCo3.com far longer than you, and I do believe lost many more posts, yet I do not see him acting as if he were the center of the universe. I lost almost five years of posts, yet I haven't complained once. I considered keeping this private, just between you and I, but, I figured my message would never get thru your spam filter. Besides, you have not kept any criticism of Roger or how he runs his website private; it's all been out on the mailing list for all to see. Roger hosts coco3.com for the entire CoC community, not just for any one individual, and asks for little in return. I for one am damn glad he has taken the time to recreate coco3.com in ANY format, and with the Delphi (and soon Compuserve) stuff added to it. I was 14 at the time and my parents wouldn't let me subscribe to either one, so it's all new to me, and I'm sure many others. Yes, my respect for Steve is diminished by his constant ridicule of Roger's efforts, but, I am not trying to push him or anyone else to leave this site. However, if he cannot handle the same type of ridicule he's been handing out to Roger about coco3.com, then he's probably been looking for a reason to go back into hiding in the first place. Later, Brian ________________________________ From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 11:34:57 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) Roger, The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of posts that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never part of. Near the top of the list, I never posted as part of both "Kaboom! For Coco 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts that I've made on your website are still lost. I only count 5 post that been recovered. As the caretaker of the information, you should spend more time repairing YOUR database before adding others. Steve Roger Taylor wrote: > > Words can't even describe what's been brought back here. Literally everything about the CoCo is spoken in these 10 years of Delphi posts. I see source code, technical specs, hacks, pokes, peeks, fest news, software and game reviews, tutorials, conversations, debates, and thousands of other topics from people who are still with us and people who have passed on. Stuff you had no clue about can be found in these posts. A lot of people with us today obviously were very active back in the 80's, and they have hundreds of messages to prove it. > > If *you* want to see your old Delphi messages.... just enter your old nickname, first name, or full name in the search box in the left sidebar and maybe you'll get a surprise. > > One example is seeing all the Steve Bjork posts spew out in a listing ready to explore. It's amazing. > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 15:55:30 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:55:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003143819.05598c08@coco3.com> At 10:34 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >Roger, >The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of >posts that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never part >of. Near the top of the list, I never posted as part of both >"Kaboom! For Coco 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. > >But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts >that I've made on your website are still lost. I only count 5 post >that been recovered. As the caretaker of the information, you >should spend more time repairing YOUR database before adding others. > >Steve Steve, #1: Those "lost" CoCo Forum messages are there, but I wouldn't assume "hundreds" of posts without proof, as the databases WERE recovered and all of your messages were found. The problem is that the Search bar isn't finding the author of Comments/Replies... that is, YET. This takes time, my friend. I'm doing all I can. Look at this thread and you'll see a reply of yours that otherwise doesn't come up by the search. I see a lot of other replies under your nickname. You made far more replies to messages than original posts, just as I remember from looking on to the forums daily and reading your messages at the time. http://www.coco3.com/community/2007/11/project-status/ #2: These public message databases aren't mine, not even the CoCo3.com Forum archives. This data belongs to the people who contributed messages over the years. That would be the "others". The service I'm offering is to Re-Present this data in modern form with the Sole Purpose of Keeping It Alive. Had nobody got involved in this project, well.. that kinda says it. -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 16:04:50 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:04:50 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Coco3.com Issues In-Reply-To: <654025.70005.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <654025.70005.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003145658.05598d50@coco3.com> At 11:13 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >I am not sure whats going on with the coco3.com web site. After the >change over to the new format I posted a link to my archives in an >attempt to make sure that information is still there for users and >all i got in return was a reply from the admin that I could have >used an insert link function in my message and how they will have to >correct my error later. Not a thanks for contributing or at least >the courtesy to not be rude about a minor issue in my post. Dear Derek, There's obviously a misunderstanding, which is so common with sending short e-mails or comments. We literally have to post a picture of our smiling face and good attitude or some readers will insist the author was down right being rude. Not the case, Derek. Not at all. Let me explain: I remember sending a quick suggestion (after all, the system is new and I'm still learning it Myself) about your post and was nicely (not rudely) reminding you that there's an Insert Link button in case you wanted to use it for future posts, which makes these links clickable. My second sentence I believe was my offer to edit your post for you, as a courtesy action. If I fell short somehow in my message, it was only because I was in a hurry and wanted to say something before I forgot. The reason I made this offer is because I feel like the links are worthy of making it easier for people to get to them, so I really don't mind editing it for whomever's benefit. Sorry for any confusion. -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 20:08:10 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:08:10 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> At 12:53 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >Wow, that was a blast from the past, looking at some of my old messages from >1988, none of which I had any recollection of. > >The only improvement I could suggest is this: There presently seems to be >no way to do the equivalent of Delphi's BACK command to see the previous >message in the thread, the one that the message you're look at was a reply >to. Or, is there some way of doing this that I neglected to try? I >understand that some of such messages are missing, but it would be nice to >be able to view ones that aren't. Maybe allow the user to click on the >message number after the "Re: Msg" in the subject line to do this if the >previous message exists, otherwise don't highlight the message number? > >Great job! Art, for every entry you see listed under a category, that's the entire thread. Clicking on that thread shows all the replies underneath in a stack. The good thing is that the replies can kinda spawn off mini threads but they're still part of the original topic. A lot of threads ported over from the CoCo Forums shows the nested boxes in the comments. I like that. -- ~ Roger Taylor From flexser at fiu.edu Sat Oct 3 22:12:50 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:12:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> Message-ID: I wondered about that, but it seemed to me that the message referenced in the "Re: Msg..." was almost NEVER in the list of messages listed below the one presently displayed. Are you sure your searches are turning up ALL messages under a particular subject? I know that many messages are missing, but it doesn't seem like SO many should be, unless somebody deleted a very large number of them after I stopped using Delphi. Come to think of it, do you have a count of how many Delphi messages are in your database, and how does that count compare with the highest message number? Art On 10/3/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > > At 12:53 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: > >> Wow, that was a blast from the past, looking at some of my old messages >> from >> 1988, none of which I had any recollection of. >> >> The only improvement I could suggest is this: There presently seems to be >> no way to do the equivalent of Delphi's BACK command to see the previous >> message in the thread, the one that the message you're look at was a reply >> to. Or, is there some way of doing this that I neglected to try? I >> understand that some of such messages are missing, but it would be nice to >> be able to view ones that aren't. Maybe allow the user to click on the >> message number after the "Re: Msg" in the subject line to do this if the >> previous message exists, otherwise don't highlight the message number? >> >> Great job! >> > > > > Art, for every entry you see listed under a category, that's the entire > thread. Clicking on that thread shows all the replies underneath in a > stack. The good thing is that the replies can kinda spawn off mini threads > but they're still part of the original topic. A lot of threads ported over > from the CoCo Forums shows the nested boxes in the comments. I like that. > > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 22:13:47 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:13:47 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <4AC76F21.5000006@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003210337.05781920@coco3.com> At 10:34 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >Roger, >The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of >posts that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never part >of. Near the top of the list, I never posted as part of both >"Kaboom! For Coco 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. > >But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts >that I've made on your website are still lost. I only count 5 post >that been recovered. As the caretaker of the information, you >should spend more time repairing YOUR database before adding others. > >Steve Steve, now that I added the "search everything" plug-in... I think you're in for a surprise. Before, only certain data was searched. Just glancing at the entries doesn't tell you the total posts made.. it only shows the Thread Parents until you click on them and start seeing comments as well. http://www.coco3.com/community/?s=6809er&submit.x=10&submit.y=12&submit=Search -- ~ Roger Taylor From random_rodder at yahoo.com Sat Oct 3 22:15:39 2009 From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) Message-ID: <399273.11071.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'm going to try this again since my first attempt seems to be lost in space... (edited in case a foul language filter blocked it... yes I was that mad..) ________________________________ From: Brian Blake To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 3:45:47 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) I've sat back and bit my tongue on a lot of stuff recently, but, I can't sit by and watch this without saying something. Steve, your games have made a great contribution that will go down in CoCo history as some of the best for the CoCo1, 2, or 3. But, I have to ask: can the work of someone else make you happy? Are you so self centered that you feel compelled to point out whenever you find a 'flaw' in what someone else does or how they operate their website? I have yet to see you offer any assistance to Roger in helping him him recover and sort the data. If you have and I missed it, I'll certainly apologize. In any case, you need to stop being so self centered and arrogant. When I found out you were coming back to the CoCo community right before the 'Fest a few years ago, I was excited. I wanted to talk to you and learn from you. After all, who better to learn from than a person many considered to be a master. What have I learned so far? That I don't want to ACT like you. You are not the only one to have lost posts from CoCo3.com. Briza was a member of CoCo3.com far longer than you, and I do believe lost many more posts, yet I do not see him acting as if he were the center of the universe. I lost almost five years of posts, yet I haven't complained once. Many who contributed more than criticism lost posts also; you're the only one to whine about it. I considered keeping this private, just between you and I, but, I figured my message would never get thru your spam filter. Besides, you have not kept any criticism of Roger or how he runs his website private, between you and him; it's all been out on the mailing list for all to see. Roger hosts coco3.com for the entire CoC community, not just for any one individual, and asks for little in return. I for one am glad he has taken the time to recreate coco3.com in ANY format, and with the Delphi (and soon Compuserve) stuff added to it. I was 14 at the time and my parents wouldn't let me subscribe to either one, so it's all new to me, and I'm sure many others. Yes, my respect for Steve is diminished, maybe gone, by his constant ridicule of Roger's efforts, but, I am not trying to push him or anyone else to leave this site. However, if he cannot handle the same type of ridicule he's been handing out to Roger about coco3.com, then he's probably been looking for a reason to go back into hiding in the first place. Later, Brian ________________________________ From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 11:34:57 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) Roger, The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of posts that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never part of. Near the top of the list, I never posted as part of both "Kaboom! For Coco 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts that I've made on your website are still lost. I only count 5 post that been recovered. As the caretaker of the information, you should spend more time repairing YOUR database before adding others. Steve Roger Taylor wrote: > > Words can't even describe what's been brought back here. Literally everything about the CoCo is spoken in these 10 years of Delphi posts. I see source code, technical specs, hacks, pokes, peeks, fest news, software and game reviews, tutorials, conversations, debates, and thousands of other topics from people who are still with us and people who have passed on. Stuff you had no clue about can be found in these posts. A lot of people with us today obviously were very active back in the 80's, and they have hundreds of messages to prove it. > > If *you* want to see your old Delphi messages.... just enter your old nickname, first name, or full name in the search box in the left sidebar and maybe you'll get a surprise. > > One example is seeing all the Steve Bjork posts spew out in a listing ready to explore. It's amazing. > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jimhrubik at earthlink.net Sat Oct 3 22:22:53 2009 From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:22:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <399273.11071.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <399273.11071.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No, Brian, your first attempt came through just fine here. You may be a victim of a Yahoo s*p*a*m filter; I know that any message that is sent by me with me as a recipient (including all posts to this list) ends up in a suspect email file on Earthlink. --Jim On Oct 3, 2009, at Saturday, October 3, 2009 - 10:15 PM, Brian Blake wrote: > I'm going to try this again since my first attempt seems to be lost > in space... (edited in case a foul language filter blocked it... > yes I was that mad..) > *** [[[===]]] *** Obstructionist : a lemming who refuses to hurry. *** [[[===]]] *** From the Sayings of Grampa Jim, Copyright 2009. Unauthorized use of my stuff may cause senility. *** [[[===]]] *** email : jimhrubik at earthlink.net info : http://www.hrubikappraisal.com blog1 : http://hrubikappraisal.blogspot.com blog2 : http://grandpa-jim.blogspot.com From flexser at fiu.edu Sat Oct 3 22:18:31 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:18:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> Message-ID: Following up my previous reply, a thought just occurred to me: If what is being searched for in compiling the list of the thread is something like "Mikeyterm (Re: Msg 13277)", then the original message will not be found, since its heading does not include the "Re:" part. Is that the way you have it working now? Art On 10/3/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > > At 12:53 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: > >> > Art, for every entry you see listed under a category, that's the entire > thread. Clicking on that thread shows all the replies underneath in a > stack. The good thing is that the replies can kinda spawn off mini threads > but they're still part of the original topic. A lot of threads ported over > from the CoCo Forums shows the nested boxes in the comments. I like that. > > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 22:20:21 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:20:21 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003211414.050999e8@coco3.com> At 09:12 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >I wondered about that, but it seemed to me that the message referenced in >the "Re: Msg..." was almost NEVER in the list of messages listed below the >one presently displayed. Are you sure your searches are turning up ALL >messages under a particular subject? I know that many messages are missing, >but it doesn't seem like SO many should be, unless somebody deleted a very >large number of them after I stopped using Delphi. A lot of them were obviously deleted. My program looks at the Re: reference # and then searches for that ID. Since the IDs are sequential, I've never seen a message reference a higher ID. I've even gone into the text file and used Find to look up these questionable references, and couldn't find the parent message ID. Thousands of messages appear to be missing. -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 23:12:34 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:12:34 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003220225.0528fa60@coco3.com> At 09:18 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >Following up my previous reply, a thought just occurred to me: If what is >being searched for in compiling the list of the thread is something like >"Mikeyterm (Re: Msg 13277)", then the original message will not be found, >since its heading does not include the "Re:" part. Is that the way you have >it working now? > >Art No, I filter the subject lines if I'm matching topics. What I do for the mailing lists (which apparently have no parent-child references) is clean up the subject line by removing the (re:) portions [coco] portions and trim the strings before searching for like-subjects. For Delphi I take the (Re: #####) ID number and search the existing messages for that ID. Since any Re: ID must reference an earlier ID, that ID would already be in the message table. You can verify all this by looking over the Delphi .txt files. I build and use: message ID parent ID subject date/time category body -- ~ Roger Taylor From lothan at newsguy.com Sat Oct 3 23:14:48 2009 From: lothan at newsguy.com (Lothan) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:14:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003141833.05009480@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com><46C242A930E74F73BA84EC5D41E67F7E@Crossfire> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003141833.05009480@coco3.com> Message-ID: If you want a second set of eyes or help on the messages, feel free to send me the Delphi message files and I can try to relink the messages back into coherent threads. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Taylor" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:35 PM To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) > At 02:12 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >>I was looking over the Delphi messages and noticed how fragmented the >>threads are as well. I doubt what you're suggesting would be much help >>because the message referenced in the Re: tags don't' exist. In other >>words, look at the Iron Forest messages and you'll see 52635 re: 52438 in >>one thread and 52594 re: 52578 with a reply 52813 re: 52594. The problem >>here is that (as far I can tell), neither 52438 nor 52578 exist in the >>archive (presumably because they were deleted from Delphi before the >>messages were captured). >> >>I wonder if it might be better to thread the messages by subject? That >>would probably be the easiest thing to do given the number of message >>missing from the archive. Another possibility might be to try to rebuild >>the tree by creating dummy placeholders for the missing messages, but that >>would probably require some amount of fuzzy matching since I'm sure some >>threads have intermediate linking messages missing as well. In other >>words, A->deleted->C is likely fairly trivial to relink into a coherent >>thread, but A->deleted->deleted->D is a little trickier. > > I might try using a backwards search for the parent message if the parent > ID doesn't actually exist. This is where I can just filter the subject > line, removing the (Re: #####) part and looking for the most recent same > subject, and Assuming it's the parent. If no equal subject is found over, > say, a week's time, then the message would become a New Post. > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From flexser at fiu.edu Sat Oct 3 23:15:20 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003211414.050999e8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003211414.050999e8@coco3.com> Message-ID: Now that I think about it, I may have a dim recollection of Jim Reed telling me that Delphi had demanded that the CoCo SIG cut down substantially on the number of messages it contained by deleting a lot of them. But, the power of suggestion being what it is, I may simply be inferring that this might have happened rather than truly recalling it. Could be, though, that the deletions were done to forestall Delphi from yanking the CoCo SIG altogether. Art On 10/3/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > > At 09:12 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: > >> I wondered about that, but it seemed to me that the message referenced in >> the "Re: Msg..." was almost NEVER in the list of messages listed below the >> one presently displayed. Are you sure your searches are turning up ALL >> messages under a particular subject? I know that many messages are >> missing, >> but it doesn't seem like SO many should be, unless somebody deleted a very >> large number of them after I stopped using Delphi. >> > > A lot of them were obviously deleted. My program looks at the Re: > reference # and then searches for that ID. Since the IDs are sequential, > I've never seen a message reference a higher ID. > > I've even gone into the text file and used Find to look up these > questionable references, and couldn't find the parent message ID. Thousands > of messages appear to be missing. > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 23:47:29 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:47:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003211414.050999e8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003224515.04fca748@coco3.com> At 10:15 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >Now that I think about it, I may have a dim recollection of Jim Reed telling >me that Delphi had demanded that the CoCo SIG cut down substantially on the >number of messages it contained by deleting a lot of them. But, the power >of suggestion being what it is, I may simply be inferring that this might >have happened rather than truly recalling it. Could be, though, that the >deletions were done to forestall Delphi from yanking the CoCo SIG >altogether. > >Art Perhaps the clues are even in the restored Delphi posts? :) -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Sat Oct 3 23:43:56 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:43:56 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <46C242A930E74F73BA84EC5D41E67F7E@Crossfire> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003141833.05009480@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003223335.04dd0330@coco3.com> At 10:14 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >If you want a second set of eyes or help on the messages, feel free >to send me the Delphi message files and I can try to relink the >messages back into coherent threads. I think the debate is whether to use subject matching or ID linking to reduce the "look" of broken threads. The ID linking is the best method because all replies definately get linked to their parents, but then you see broken threads. With subject matching you're filtering out all but the original subject text (and obviously trimming it and using case insensitive comparison) and joining all like-subjects. This has the side effect of merging threads that might have the same subject line but aren't really related. I've toyed with all methods so far. The Delphi archives are definately already has thousands of messages missing, but then we're talking about almost 23,000 messages and I'm not even done yet with Delphi. I'd say that at least 5% of the messages point to a missing parent. I'm not sure what kind of help would be best unless we create prefab messages for the missing ones. That's a lot of fake messages to create. >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "Roger Taylor" >Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:35 PM >To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) > >>At 02:12 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >>>I was looking over the Delphi messages and noticed how fragmented >>>the threads are as well. I doubt what you're suggesting would be >>>much help because the message referenced in the Re: tags don't' >>>exist. In other words, look at the Iron Forest messages and you'll >>>see 52635 re: 52438 in one thread and 52594 re: 52578 with a reply >>>52813 re: 52594. The problem here is that (as far I can tell), >>>neither 52438 nor 52578 exist in the archive (presumably because >>>they were deleted from Delphi before the messages were captured). >>> >>>I wonder if it might be better to thread the messages by subject? >>>That would probably be the easiest thing to do given the number of >>>message missing from the archive. Another possibility might be to >>>try to rebuild the tree by creating dummy placeholders for the >>>missing messages, but that would probably require some amount of >>>fuzzy matching since I'm sure some threads have intermediate >>>linking messages missing as well. In other words, A->deleted->C is >>>likely fairly trivial to relink into a coherent thread, but >>>A->deleted->deleted->D is a little trickier. >> >>I might try using a backwards search for the parent message if the >>parent ID doesn't actually exist. This is where I can just filter >>the subject line, removing the (Re: #####) part and looking for the >>most recent same subject, and Assuming it's the parent. If no >>equal subject is found over, say, a week's time, then the message >>would become a New Post. >> >>-- >>~ Roger Taylor >> >> >> >>-- >>Coco mailing list >>Coco at maltedmedia.com >>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- ~ Roger Taylor From flexser at fiu.edu Sun Oct 4 00:01:55 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:01:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003224515.04fca748@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003211414.050999e8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091003224515.04fca748@coco3.com> Message-ID: Since leaving that message, I recalled that it was Marty Goodman, not Jim Reed, who was responsible for the Delphi CoCo SIG in its later years. I've sent Marty an inquiry as to whether he recalls such deletions. I wonder if you'd consider including the To and From information in the listing of message headings. Since many of those who consult the database, I expect, will be doing so out of nostalgia rather than seeking CoCo information, it would be helpful in selecting messages to see who wrote them and who they were addressed to. (I realize that you can search for specific usernames if desired.) It would also be helpful if the headings included message numbers, so that if you read something that is a reply to message 64321, you can scan the headings for the other messages on the same subject to see if that one exists. Art On 10/3/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > > At 10:15 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: > >> Now that I think about it, I may have a dim recollection of Jim Reed >> telling >> me that Delphi had demanded that the CoCo SIG cut down substantially on >> the >> number of messages it contained by deleting a lot of them. But, the power >> of suggestion being what it is, I may simply be inferring that this might >> have happened rather than truly recalling it. Could be, though, that the >> deletions were done to forestall Delphi from yanking the CoCo SIG >> altogether. >> >> Art >> > > > Perhaps the clues are even in the restored Delphi posts? :) > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 02:23:10 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: <743452.33566.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <743452.33566.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <363343.61437.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Strangely enough, I remember that episode... at least, somewhat. I remember seeing the CoCo on the desk and remarked to my girlfriend at the time about it. I had my CoCo2 at the time, as I recall, and got my CoCo3 about a year after I saw it. Wayne ________________________________ From: Derek To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 12:51:30 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies No tin a movie but I saw a Grey Coco I as a prop in an office on an episode of The Rockford Files recently. I got all excited and had to tell me wife.. She humored me.. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Roger Taylor wrote: From: Roger Taylor Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 9:57 PM As of tonight I have found and queued up every movie known to have the CoCo in it, except for the Street Hawk season 1 episode 1 (1985). If somebody can point me to where to grab that on DVD, I'd appreciate it. -- ~ Roger Taylor -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 02:35:35 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Coco3.com Issues In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091003145658.05598d50@coco3.com> Message-ID: <196203.34089.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Roger, I know you work hard on the site and have put in extra time since the site was hacked. Maybe I did take the reply wrong. I am grateful for all your hard work and the new layout of the web site looks great! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Roger Taylor wrote: From: Roger Taylor Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco3.com Issues To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:04 PM At 11:13 AM 10/3/2009, you wrote: > I am not sure whats going on with the coco3.com web site. After the change over to the new format I posted a link to my archives in an attempt to make sure that information is still there for users and all i got in return was a reply from the admin that I could have used an insert link function in my message and how they will have to correct my error later. Not a thanks for contributing or at least the courtesy to not be rude about a minor issue in my post. Dear Derek, There's obviously a misunderstanding, which is so common with sending short e-mails or comments.? We literally have to post a picture of our smiling face and good attitude or some readers will insist the author was down right being rude.? Not the case, Derek.? Not at all. Let me explain: I remember sending a quick suggestion (after all, the system is new and I'm still learning it Myself) about your post and was nicely (not rudely) reminding you that there's an Insert Link button in case you wanted to use it for future posts, which makes these links clickable. My second sentence I believe was my offer to edit your post for you, as a courtesy action.? If I fell short somehow in my message, it was only because I was in a hurry and wanted to say something before I forgot. The reason I made this offer is because I feel like the links are worthy of making it easier for people to get to them, so I really don't mind editing it for whomever's benefit. Sorry for any confusion. -- ~ Roger Taylor -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lothan at newsguy.com Sun Oct 4 09:01:10 2009 From: lothan at newsguy.com (Lothan) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:01:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002230918.050cea78@coco3.com><6.2.5.6.1.20091003190305.056fd910@coco3.com><6.2.5.6.1.20091003211414.050999e8@coco3.com> Message-ID: I don't think you're inferring this, Art. I distinctly remember the same order coming down from on top. I don't remember the specific reasons for it, though. I vaguely recall something about it being easier for new members since it would reduce the backlog of messages they would have to wade through to "catch up", but it seems there must have been something more to it than that. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Flexser" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:15 PM To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) > Now that I think about it, I may have a dim recollection of Jim Reed > telling > me that Delphi had demanded that the CoCo SIG cut down substantially on > the > number of messages it contained by deleting a lot of them. But, the power > of suggestion being what it is, I may simply be inferring that this might > have happened rather than truly recalling it. Could be, though, that the > deletions were done to forestall Delphi from yanking the CoCo SIG > altogether. > > Art > > On 10/3/09, Roger Taylor wrote: >> >> At 09:12 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >> >>> I wondered about that, but it seemed to me that the message referenced >>> in >>> the "Re: Msg..." was almost NEVER in the list of messages listed below >>> the >>> one presently displayed. Are you sure your searches are turning up ALL >>> messages under a particular subject? I know that many messages are >>> missing, >>> but it doesn't seem like SO many should be, unless somebody deleted a >>> very >>> large number of them after I stopped using Delphi. >>> >> >> A lot of them were obviously deleted. My program looks at the Re: >> reference # and then searches for that ID. Since the IDs are sequential, >> I've never seen a message reference a higher ID. >> >> I've even gone into the text file and used Find to look up these >> questionable references, and couldn't find the parent message ID. >> Thousands >> of messages appear to be missing. >> >> -- >> ~ Roger Taylor >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Sun Oct 4 14:48:20 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:48:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] classic 200x60 banners returning Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091004133941.055f9858@coco3.com> Don't panic - I'm trying to PHP-code the 200x60 CoCo banners back into the site in the header area, so you might notice some glitches today. As some of you know, these banners were all that the original coco3.com consisted of along with some short text underneath each. They were arranged in a simple tower style and marked the original intent of coco3.com, to offer service to others. I think I called this the CoCoTower. I remember designing the original site/page on a crappy WebTV unit before I "went PC" back then. Anyhow, the banners are still awesome and deserve to be seen. A lot of work was obviously put into some of the graphics by the owners. I'll be adding these banners into an AdRotate plug-in which gives each banner a slice of random appearance on each page load. If you want to update your 200x60 banner (the size doesn't have to be exact, btw), or submit a new CoCo banner, just e-mail it to me with a URL and I'll check it out. -- ~ Roger Taylor From rayshuter at hotmail.com Sun Oct 4 19:50:50 2009 From: rayshuter at hotmail.com (Raymond Shuter) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:50:50 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Off Topic. But for your safety. In-Reply-To: References: <4AC23033.7020508@sbcglobal.net> <9efa17da0909290909m6f733e32k74cc225f8dd11ae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Amen. I didn't forward this. Instead, I just printed several hundred copies and taped them to the rear window of every car I came across. Including my own. Just kidding. About my own. > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:11:37 -0400 > From: aawolfe at gmail.com > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] Off Topic. But for your safety. > > Amen. Always check snopes before forwarding this type of junk. Better yet, > just never forward it. > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Sean wrote: > > > Sorry, when an e-mail includes "send this to everyone you know", > > that's the biggest tip-off that it's BS. > > > > http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/carjack.asp > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Brian Goers > > wrote: > > > To: everyone > > > If I offended someone. Sorry > > > > > > My sister received this from a truck driver and I wanted forward it. > > > If nothing else make us aware. > > > > > > I usually look over my van before I get in myself. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Warning..!!!! Warning..!!!! Warning..!!!! > > > > > > > > > Just last weekend on Friday night we parked in a public > > > parking area. As we drove away I noticed a sticker on the > > > rear window of the car. When I took it off after I got home, > > > > > > it was a receipt for gas. Luckily my friend told me not to > > > stop as it could be someone waiting for me to get out of the > > > car Then we received this email yesterday: > > > > > > > > > WARNING FROM POLICE > > > > > > THIS APPLIES TO BOTH WOMEN AND MEN > > > BEWARE OF PAPER ON THE BACK WINDOW OF YOUR VEHICLE-- > > > NEW WAY TO DO CARJACKINGS (NOT A JOKE)' > > > > > > Heads up everyone! Please, keep this circulating... You walk > > > across the parking lot, unlock your car and get inside. You > > > start the engine and shift into Reverse. > > > > > > When you look into the rear view mirror to back out of your > > > parking space, you notice a piece of paper stuck to the middle > > > of the rear window. So, you shift into Park, unlock your > > > doors, and jump out of your car to remove that paper (or > > > whatever it is) that is obstructing your view. When you reach > > > the back of your car, that is when the carjackers appear out > > > of nowhere, jump into your car and take off. They practically > > > mow you down as they speed off in your car. > > > > > > And guess what, ladies? I bet your purse is still in the car. > > > So now the carjacker has your car, your home address, your > > > money, and your keys. Your home and your whole identity are > > > now compromised! > > > > > > BEWARE OF THIS NEW SCHEME THAT IS NOW BEING USED. > > > > > > If you see a piece of paper stuck to your back window, just > > > drive away. Remove the paper later. And be thankful that you > > > read this e-mail. I hope you will forward this to friends and > > > family, especially to women. A purse contains all kinds of > > > personal information and identification documents, and you > > > certainly do NOT want this to fall into the wrong hands... > > > > > > > > > Please keep this going > > > and tell all your friends > > > > > > -- > > > Brian Goers > > > Glenside Computer Club > > > Vice President of Special Events > > > The 19th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! > > > Will be held May 15 &16, 2010 > > > Holiday Inn & Suites in Elgin. > > > Glenside URL - http://GlensideCCC.com > > > > > > "The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man > > > who can't read them."--Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 22:06:03 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 Message-ID: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the following configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with a 3.5" and a 5.25" drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my 5.25" is set as drive 1. I have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to boot using the DOS command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load OS-9, goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically switch to drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 and not boot from the 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the drive1 command to set it as the boot drive but no luck. Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive 1 and uses these old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a backup on to a 3.5" drive for each disk I want to boot? Thank you ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 22:07:34 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] In light of removal of the CoCo Forums I volunteer to create one in a public domaiin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <727956.92789.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually Roger has just switched to a blog style format but you can post and reply to threads on his new site design so the forums are not gone, just there in a new form. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sat, 10/3/09, RJLCyberPunk wrote: From: RJLCyberPunk Subject: [Coco] In light of removal of the CoCo Forums I volunteer to create one in a public domaiin To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:55 AM There are pretty good public forum hosting domains out there and given the fact that we no longer have a board for the comunity at large I'm more than willing to create one to fill the void, For some reason such public domains seem more resilient to attacks than those one has to pay for in the first place. So if? anyone is interestesd in recreating a board for our beloved CoCo community please let me know... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bjork" <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] 10 years of Delphi posts (1985-1995) > Roger, > The search is not a very good example of my post. A great number of posts that use the term of "6809er" in the body that I've never part of.? Near the top of the list, I never posted as part of both "Kaboom! For Coco 1/2?" and "The Future" messages. > > But you still have the same problem as before, the 100's of posts that I've made on your website are still lost.? I only count 5 post that been recovered.? As the caretaker of the information, you should spend more time repairing YOUR database before adding others. > > Steve -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 4 22:10:57 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:10:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200910042210.57421.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Derek wrote: >I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the following > configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with a 3.5" and a 5.25" > drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my 5.25" is set as drive 1. I > have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to boot using the DOS > command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load OS-9, > goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically switch to > drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 and not boot from the > 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the drive1 command to set it as > the boot drive but no luck. > >Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive 1 and uses these > old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a backup on to a 3.5" drive > for each disk I want to boot? > You could patch the boot module on track 34 & change the /d0 to /d1, but don't forget to set bit 8, so the hex 31 will be a hex b1. >Thank you > > > >** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** > > > > > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. You will have long and healthy life. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun Oct 4 22:40:31 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:40:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: <200910042210.57421.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200910042210.57421.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4AC95C9F.5090005@worldnet.att.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Derek wrote: >> I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the following >> configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with a 3.5" and a 5.25" >> drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my 5.25" is set as drive 1. I >> have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to boot using the DOS >> command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load OS-9, >> goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically switch to >> drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 and not boot from the >> 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the drive1 command to set it as >> the boot drive but no luck. >> >> Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive 1 and uses these >> old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a backup on to a 3.5" drive >> for each disk I want to boot? >> > You could patch the boot module on track 34 & change the /d0 to /d1, but > don't forget to set bit 8, so the hex 31 will be a hex b1. > >> Thank you >> >> >> >> ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** >> Derek, The above is just part of what you need to do. You will also probably need to change the /DD descriptor to point to drive #1 and change any scripts , such as startup, that might point to /D0. I believe the current version of NitrOS-9 has some scripts that make it simple to boot from a drive other than 0. You just need to edit the scripts and use them to create a new boot disk. The scripts will select the correct Boot module, /DD, and any other changes that seem appropriate. From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Mon Oct 5 12:01:22 2009 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:01:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4u5kc514fot5mmgl2i6vlo91rr2osj95gs@4ax.com> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:06:03 -0700 (PDT), Derek had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the following configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with a 3.5" and a 5.25" drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my 5.25" is set as drive 1. I have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to boot using the DOS command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load OS-9, goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically switch to drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 and not boot from the 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the drive1 command to set it as the boot drive but no luck. > >Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive 1 and uses these old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a backup on to a 3.5" drive for each disk I want to boot? > One way is modify your drive setup. Install a double pole-double throw switch on the drive select jumpers on the two drives to swap them as needed. -- Stephen Disc space -- the final frontier! From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com Mon Oct 5 13:20:51 2009 From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:20:51 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: <4u5kc514fot5mmgl2i6vlo91rr2osj95gs@4ax.com> References: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4u5kc514fot5mmgl2i6vlo91rr2osj95gs@4ax.com> Message-ID: <3397F4D38F314AA3ACA63732F16B955E@Shasta> Hi, Same advise from another Stephen. I had identical copies of my boots disks in both sizes and was able to throw the switch swapping /D0 and /D1 almost anytime OS-9 was not working with either drive. Worked extremely well for me. SHF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Castello" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 > On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:06:03 -0700 (PDT), Derek had > a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: > >>I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the following >>configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with a 3.5" and a 5.25" >>drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my 5.25" is set as drive 1. I >>have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to boot using the DOS >>command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load OS-9, >>goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically switch to >>drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 and not boot from the >>5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the drive1 command to set it as >>the boot drive but no luck. >> >>Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive 1 and uses these >>old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a backup on to a 3.5" drive >>for each disk I want to boot? >> > > One way is modify your drive setup. Install a double pole-double > throw switch on the drive select jumpers on the two drives to swap > them as needed. > > > -- > > Stephen From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 13:30:06 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: <4AC95C9F.5090005@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <955311.33995.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another option, more work intensive, and requiring hacking your drive cable and using a DPDT switch, is to hack the cable and use the switch to swap the D0 and D1 drive select lines, so either drive could be Drive 0, depending on switch position (and the other drive Drive 1.) More Work, Greater flexibility, Requires remembering switch position (even if labeled.) -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Robert Gault wrote: > From: Robert Gault > Subject: Re: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 9:40 PM > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Derek wrote: > >> I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in > the following > >> configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with > a 3.5" and a 5.25" > >> drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my > 5.25" is set as drive 1. I > >> have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to > boot using the DOS > >> command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It > starts to load OS-9, > >> goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then > automatically switch to > >> drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 > and not boot from the > >> 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the > drive1 command to set it as > >> the boot drive but no luck. > >> > >> Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off > drive 1 and uses these > >> old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a > backup on to a 3.5" drive > >> for each disk I want to boot? > >> > > You could patch the boot module on track 34 & > change the /d0 to /d1, but don't forget to set bit 8, so the > hex 31 will be a hex b1. > > > >> Thank you > >> > >> > >> > >> ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization > ** > >> > > Derek, > > The above is just part of what you need to do. You will > also probably need to change the /DD descriptor to point to > drive #1 and change any scripts , such as startup, that > might point to /D0. > > I believe the current version of NitrOS-9 has some scripts > that make it simple to boot from a drive other than 0. You > just need to edit the scripts and use them to create a new > boot disk. The scripts will select the correct Boot module, > /DD, and any other changes that seem appropriate. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 13:31:38 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: <4u5kc514fot5mmgl2i6vlo91rr2osj95gs@4ax.com> Message-ID: <766255.84935.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe I should have read one message further, and saved sending my reply. LOL. Same idea I had, Stephen. -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Stephen Castello wrote: > From: Stephen Castello > Subject: Re: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 11:01 AM > On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:06:03 -0700 > (PDT), Derek > had > a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: > > >I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the > following configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with > a 3.5" and a 5.25" drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 > and my 5.25" is set as drive 1. I have some old 5.25" OS-9 > based disks that need to boot using the DOS command. I > switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load OS-9, > goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically > switch to drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 > and not boot from the 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried > using the drive1 command to set it as the boot drive but no > luck. > > > >Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive > 1 and uses these old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make > a backup on to a 3.5" drive for each disk I want to boot? > > > > One way is modify your drive setup.? Install a double > pole-double > throw switch on the drive select jumpers on the two drives > to swap > them as needed. > > > -- > > Stephen > > Disc space -- the final frontier! > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From chester6809 at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 15:08:32 2009 From: chester6809 at gmail.com (Chester Patterson) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:08:32 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: <4AC95C9F.5090005@worldnet.att.net> References: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><200910042210.57421.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4AC95C9F.5090005@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Many many moons ago I used to have the same problem. The easiest solution is to format a 3.5 disk so it is exactly the same format as the 5.25 disk (if Single sided then single sided, if 35 track or 40 track that too) then backup d1 to d0. Then you can boot from d0 easy as pie. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Gault [mailto:robert.gault at worldnet.att.net] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:41 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Derek wrote: >> I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the following >> configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with a 3.5" and a 5.25" >> drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my 5.25" is set as drive >> 1. I have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to boot using the >> DOS command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load >> OS-9, goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically >> switch to drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 and not >> boot from the 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the drive1 >> command to set it as the boot drive but no luck. >> >> Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive 1 and uses >> these old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a backup on to a >> 3.5" drive for each disk I want to boot? >> > You could patch the boot module on track 34 & change the /d0 to /d1, > but don't forget to set bit 8, so the hex 31 will be a hex b1. > >> Thank you >> >> >> >> ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** >> Derek, The above is just part of what you need to do. You will also probably need to change the /DD descriptor to point to drive #1 and change any scripts , such as startup, that might point to /D0. I believe the current version of NitrOS-9 has some scripts that make it simple to boot from a drive other than 0. You just need to edit the scripts and use them to create a new boot disk. The scripts will select the correct Boot module, /DD, and any other changes that seem appropriate. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 14:06:31 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <236667.56580.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is my current method which is working but is a bit tedious. Thanks to all for the replies. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Chester Patterson wrote: From: Chester Patterson Subject: Re: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 12:08 PM Many many moons ago I used to have the same problem. The easiest solution is to format a 3.5 disk so it is exactly the same format as the 5.25 disk (if Single sided then single sided, if 35 track or 40 track that too) then backup d1 to d0. Then you can boot from d0 easy as pie. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Gault [mailto:robert.gault at worldnet.att.net] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:41 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Derek wrote: >> I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the following >> configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with a 3.5" and a 5.25" >> drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my 5.25" is set as drive >> 1. I have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to boot using the >> DOS command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load >> OS-9, goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically >> switch to drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 and not >> boot from the 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the drive1 >> command to set it as the boot drive but no luck. >> >> Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive 1 and uses >> these old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a backup on to a >> 3.5" drive for each disk I want to boot? >> > You could patch the boot module on track 34 & change the /d0 to /d1, > but don't forget to set bit 8, so the hex 31 will be a hex b1. > >> Thank you >> >> >> >> ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** >> Derek, The above is just part of what you need to do. You will also probably need to change the /DD descriptor to point to drive #1 and change any scripts , such as startup, that might point to /D0. I believe the current version of NitrOS-9 has some scripts that make it simple to boot from a drive other than 0. You just need to edit the scripts and use them to create a new boot disk. The scripts will select the correct Boot module, /DD, and any other changes that seem appropriate. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 7 15:35:05 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:35:05 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo movies Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091007142643.053eddc0@coco3.com> Ok, I have the Spinal Tap movie in hand now with Silver Spoons #7 and Heavily Kid on the way, adding 3 more clips this week to the compilation video I'm working on. By a long shot, the Silver Spoons epside featuring the CoCo is the most detailed one yet. There's probably no other CoCo scene that's this long and of high quality. Obviously it's a BASIC program running that simulates a hack break in by little Ricky. You can see the INPUT A$ prompt which is a question mark (?) at the bottom of each screen he's typing into. We get close-up screenfuls of text, flashing colors, a pong game, a sound effects all rolled into a great scene of a shiney gray CoCo 1. I think this leaves the Street Hawk episode which I'm having trouble aquiring. -- ~ Roger Taylor From deyoung at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 17:03:38 2009 From: deyoung at gmail.com (Joel DeYoung) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:03:38 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo movies In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091007142643.053eddc0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091007142643.053eddc0@coco3.com> Message-ID: Roger, This is fantastic. Is this list a complete one to your knowledge? http://www.starringthecomputer.com/computer.php?c=34 Joel On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Ok, I have the Spinal Tap movie in hand now with Silver Spoons #7 and > Heavily Kid on the way, adding 3 more clips this week to the compilation > video I'm working on. > > By a long shot, the Silver Spoons epside featuring the CoCo is the most > detailed one yet. There's probably no other CoCo scene that's this long and > of high quality. Obviously it's a BASIC program running that simulates a > hack break in by little Ricky. You can see the INPUT A$ prompt which is a > question mark (?) at the bottom of each screen he's typing into. We get > close-up screenfuls of text, flashing colors, a pong game, a sound effects > all rolled into a great scene of a shiney gray CoCo 1. > > I think this leaves the Street Hawk episode which I'm having trouble > aquiring. > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 7 19:31:48 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:31:48 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: <743452.33566.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091002233611.04cb09f0@coco3.com> <743452.33566.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091007183112.054177b0@coco3.com> At 02:51 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >No tin a movie but I saw a Grey Coco I as a prop in an office on an >episode of The Rockford Files recently. I got all excited and had to >tell me wife.. She humored me.. Tell me what seasion and episode and I'll have it by Monday. Thanks -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 7 19:33:48 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:33:48 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090929204806.06666f18@coco3.com> <9efa17da0909291941l4ba94b9co4066c8515fe48f2a@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090929223701.06154c88@coco3.com> <9efa17da0909292122q26d08b03r146ccb8b3a113766@mail.gmail.com> <9bbc335b0909292137x4db58453qe6647febf6931fcf@mail.gmail.com> <5631e580909300223j344b7745ob6f7997bd78fb74f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091007183333.05417cd0@coco3.com> At 07:32 AM 9/30/2009, you wrote: >Could someone confirm it's featured in the "Lab" of "Swamp Thing"? > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084745/ > >I darkly remember seeing kind of a PMODE3 SCREEN1,1 RND-LINE/CIRCLE >Screensaver in the background... Got that one coming as well. I'll check it out. -- ~ Roger Taylor From theother_bob at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 19:59:06 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Fw: COCO Stuf In-Reply-To: <402748.58731.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4ABF8522.8000503@cox.net> <402748.58731.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <460774.48994.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Forwarding on behalf of Jim Elbourne... ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: jcelbourne To: theother_bob Sent: Wed, September 30, 2009 9:59:07 AM Subject: Re: COCO Stuf The name is Jim Elbourne I live in Baton Rouge Louisiana. The stuff is a CoCo 2, CoCo 3, monitor, 2 floppy drives, a bunch of programs some on those plug in cartridges and some on floppies. a couple of joy sticks and other assorted stuff. I got a PC in 2001 this stuff was packed up and stored and has not been touched since. I am getting old (85) and forgotten everything I ever knew about the CoCo and basic so better start getting rid of it. Don't know anything about the MaltedMedia CoCo list.Any help would be appreciated Jim. theother_bob wrote: > Have you posted to the MaltedMedia CoCO list? If you don't want to register to send to it, I can forward the info... > What kind of stuff and where are you located? > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jcelbourne > To: theother_bob at yahoo.com > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:30:42 AM > Subject: COCO Stuf > > Have a bunch of COCO stuff would like to get rid of. If you know anyone that may be interested please email me. > > Thanks Jim From theother_bob at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 20:11:26 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] classic 200x60 banners returning In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091004133941.055f9858@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091004133941.055f9858@coco3.com> Message-ID: <135422.62738.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Roger, don't put my old banner up as Geocities will be shutting down on the 2th of this month. I've backed everything up and once I finish removing the yahoo script stuff I plan to republish it on my personal space provided by my employer. I'll submit a new banner when it's ready. Cheers, Bob theother_bob at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Roger Taylor To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sun, October 4, 2009 1:48:20 PM Subject: [Coco] classic 200x60 banners returning Don't panic - I'm trying to PHP-code the 200x60 CoCo banners back into the site in the header area, so you might notice some glitches today. As some of you know, these banners were all that the original coco3.com consisted of along with some short text underneath each. They were arranged in a simple tower style and marked the original intent of coco3.com, to offer service to others. I think I called this the CoCoTower. I remember designing the original site/page on a crappy WebTV unit before I "went PC" back then. Anyhow, the banners are still awesome and deserve to be seen. A lot of work was obviously put into some of the graphics by the owners. I'll be adding these banners into an AdRotate plug-in which gives each banner a slice of random appearance on each page load. If you want to update your 200x60 banner (the size doesn't have to be exact, btw), or submit a new CoCo banner, just e-mail it to me with a URL and I'll check it out. -- ~ Roger Taylor -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From theother_bob at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 20:25:06 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 In-Reply-To: <4u5kc514fot5mmgl2i6vlo91rr2osj95gs@4ax.com> References: <518198.24909.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4u5kc514fot5mmgl2i6vlo91rr2osj95gs@4ax.com> Message-ID: <559418.30826.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: Stephen Castello To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 11:01:22 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Booting OS9 from Drive 1 On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:06:03 -0700 (PDT), Derek had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >I am having a problem being able to boot OS-9 in the following configuration. I have an FD-502 Drive housing with a 3.5" and a 5.25" drive. My 3.5" drive is set as drive 0 and my 5.25" is set as drive 1. I have some old 5.25" OS-9 based disks that need to boot using the DOS command. I switch to drive1 and then type DOS. It starts to load OS-9, goes to the Loading OS-9 Screen but will then automatically switch to drive 0 trying to access the boot data on drive 0 and not boot from the 5.25" disk in drive 1. I have tried using the drive1 command to set it as the boot drive but no luck. > >Is there an easy way to make it so I can boot off drive 1 and uses these old 5.25" OS-9 disks without having to make a backup on to a 3.5" drive for each disk I want to boot? > One way is modify your drive setup. Install a double pole-double throw switch on the drive select jumpers on the two drives to swap them as needed. > I will attest that this is indeed the most flexible method and well worth the minor effort of installing a switch. I even took the extra step to install a side-select switch (requires an inverter), so I could boot from either side of either drive. No byte-level disk patching required. Bob From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 7 20:58:28 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Coco] classic 200x60 banners returning In-Reply-To: <135422.62738.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091004133941.055f9858@coco3.com> <135422.62738.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091007195319.052b9238@coco3.com> At 07:11 PM 10/7/2009, you wrote: >Hey Roger, don't put my old banner up as Geocities will be shutting >down on the 2th of this month. >I've backed everything up and once I finish removing the yahoo >script stuff I plan to republish it on my personal space provided by >my employer. I'll submit a new banner when it's ready. > >Cheers, >Bob >theother_bob at yahoo.com Hey guys, here's a reason to consider submitting a 200x60 banner for your CoCo site.... The new coco3.com has gotten 8193 views since Oct 3rd. Bob's banner has gotten 800+ appearances in just 4 days. This is with random banners in the top header of every page. -- ~ Roger Taylor From peteroswanson at cs.com Tue Oct 6 05:44:17 2009 From: peteroswanson at cs.com (trurotroll) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:44:17 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-paks, CoCo II's, accy's, Software, speech pak's need homes Message-ID: We've sold our house and are moving to smaller quarters. I have a bunch of CoCo items that I'd like to find a home (or homes)for. The whole batch of stuff is in southeastern Massachusetts. Any suggestions or interest? I'd prefer to move the whole bundle and the "lucky" collector could keep and cull to their heart's content. I haven't done a formal inventory, but the key items include two multi-packs (one silver case, one white case), a silver Coco I 64K, some CoCo II's, and one CoCo III 512K. RS disk drive (wi double-sided drive installed). Digital Equipment double drive (single sided) with RS controller, a Speech pak (RS), a Spectrum Projects speech pak, a deluxe joystick, and lots of game paks. Standing by for further developments ;-) Pete From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Thu Oct 8 10:58:49 2009 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:58:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 77, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13ECAD6262BAAE41908A56E94650E15D0B043A@DE08EV1002.global.ds.honeywell.com> I'm interested, but if you get any hits from closer than Long Island, go for it! Oh, yeah -- is there a price for these? --Rich -----Original Message----- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:44:17 -0000 From: "trurotroll" Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-paks, CoCo II's, accy's, Software, speech pak's need homes To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We've sold our house and are moving to smaller quarters. I have a bunch of CoCo items that I'd like to find a home (or homes)for. The whole batch of stuff is in southeastern Massachusetts. Any suggestions or interest? I'd prefer to move the whole bundle and the "lucky" collector could keep and cull to their heart's content. I haven't done a formal inventory, but the key items include two multi-packs (one silver case, one white case), a silver Coco I 64K, some CoCo II's, and one CoCo III 512K. RS disk drive (wi double-sided drive installed). Digital Equipment double drive (single sided) with RS controller, a Speech pak (RS), a Spectrum Projects speech pak, a deluxe joystick, and lots of game paks. Standing by for further developments ;-) Pete ------------------------------ From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 06:41:15 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 03:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-paks, CoCo II's, accy's, Software, speech pak's need homes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <612707.62514.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'll take it!!!! How much 4 shiiping? From diegoba at adinet.com.uy Thu Oct 8 15:49:00 2009 From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (diegoba at adinet.com.uy) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:49:00 -0300 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies Message-ID: <49D1022609CE8E4A@> (added by postmaster@adinet.com.uy) Sorry, it was "Edison Twins" Diego From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy Subj: Re: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies Date: Thu 8 Oct 2009 4:42 pm Size: 859 bytes To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts There was an episode from "Thompson Twins" (I think) where the kids use a CoCo2 + Specturm analizer to identify a voice print. Since the show was never released in DVD(AFAIK) it might be hard to find -----Original Message----- From: Roger Taylor Subj: Re: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies Date: Wed 7 Oct 2009 8:33 pm Size: 436 bytes To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts At 07:32 AM 9/30/2009, you wrote: >Could someone confirm it's featured in the "Lab" of "Swamp Thing"? > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084745/ > >I darkly remember seeing kind of a PMODE3 SCREEN1,1 RND-LINE/CIRCLE >Screensaver in the background... Got that one coming as well. I'll check it out. -- ~ Roger Taylor -- From diegoba at adinet.com.uy Thu Oct 8 15:42:00 2009 From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (diegoba at adinet.com.uy) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:42:00 -0300 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies Message-ID: <4AA7ADCE01D5CF1A@> (added by postmaster@adinet.com.uy) There was an episode from "Thompson Twins" (I think) where the kids use a CoCo2 + Specturm analizer to identify a voice print. Since the show was never released in DVD(AFAIK) it might be hard to find -----Original Message----- From: Roger Taylor Subj: Re: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies Date: Wed 7 Oct 2009 8:33 pm Size: 436 bytes To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts At 07:32 AM 9/30/2009, you wrote: >Could someone confirm it's featured in the "Lab" of "Swamp Thing"? > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084745/ > >I darkly remember seeing kind of a PMODE3 SCREEN1,1 RND-LINE/CIRCLE >Screensaver in the background... Got that one coming as well. I'll check it out. -- ~ Roger Taylor -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Thu Oct 8 15:56:26 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: <4AA7ADCE01D5CF1A@> (added by postmaster@adinet.com.uy) References: <4AA7ADCE01D5CF1A@> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091008144855.052ebe60@coco3.com> At 02:42 PM 10/8/2009, you wrote: >There was an episode from "Thompson Twins" (I think) where the kids >use a CoCo2 + Specturm analizer to identify a voice print. >Since the show was never released in DVD(AFAIK) it might be hard to find I'd have to know the season/episode if this is a TV series. Edison Twins, huh? Like the Party Camp movie, it's not listed with NetFlix, but I did find Party Camp listed on Amazon in VHS format only. I plan to buy from the cheapest seller and use my VCR and DVDXpress box to capture the scene. Ok, I have the Silver Spoons DVD in today and am converting the scene right now and I'll take clippings from it to remove as much of Gary Coleman and Ricky Schroeder as possible. :) The scene is long so there's plenty of room for trimming. -- ~ Roger Taylor From asa.rand at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 17:53:55 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Digging deeper into DCom Message-ID: <427966.15838.qm@web53707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I realized that I needed to look at the problem with DCom from a different angle. The way I remember it, DCom 3.5 was the version that did everything correctly, with the exception of the TYPE statement problems documented in the manual. Based on this, I had reason to doubt that my code, as it was printed out, was the problem. I probably misnamed some variables somewhere, and may be passing bad variables to the procedures. To find out, I had to recreate the procedures I wrote to read the contents of the data files. I never printed those out, but I knew recreating them would be easier since the code already exists in DCom to recreate them with. I wrote it today. I have not test-run it yet. I opted to write a single procedure that deals with all of the files, as opposed to separate procedures for each file (which is the way I wrote them originally). Once I can see where the data is becoming corrupted, I can determine where in the code to look for the problem. I have chosen to call it DCRead, to show its connection to DCom. Once I have it in final form, I will upload the source and binaries to sourceforge. I do have one question, for those who understand programming and Basic09 syntax. When I get the code to DCRead uploaded to sourceforge, I would like to know if there's a better way to write it. I know my code works, but there are times when I think I may be missing something, and there should be an easier way to write the code. Studying ZAP has shown me that it may be possible to write faster code than I am aware of. I just need an example in terms of something familiar to help me see how to do it. I appreciate any help I can get in this regard. Wayne From badfrog at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 18:08:06 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:08:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091008144855.052ebe60@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091008144855.052ebe60@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0910081508g2f36f1edw1a5a2b7c591d7647@mail.gmail.com> Leave the scene whole! I liked that show as a kid and never saw that episode! :) On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 02:42 PM 10/8/2009, you wrote: >> >> There was an episode from "Thompson Twins" (I think) where the kids use a >> CoCo2 + Specturm analizer to identify a voice print. >> Since the show was never released in DVD(AFAIK) it might be hard to find > > > I'd have to know the season/episode if this is a TV series. ?Edison Twins, > huh? > > Like the Party Camp movie, it's not listed with NetFlix, but I did find > Party Camp listed on Amazon in VHS format only. ?I plan to buy from the > cheapest seller and use my VCR and DVDXpress box to capture the scene. > > Ok, I have the Silver Spoons DVD in today and am converting the scene right > now and I'll take clippings from it to remove as much of Gary Coleman and > Ricky Schroeder as possible. ?:) ?The scene is long so there's plenty of > room for trimming. > > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Torsten at Dittel.info Thu Oct 8 18:36:06 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:36:06 +0200 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091007183333.05417cd0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090929204806.06666f18@coco3.com> <9efa17da0909291941l4ba94b9co4066c8515fe48f2a@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090929223701.06154c88@coco3.com> <9efa17da0909292122q26d08b03r146ccb8b3a113766@mail.gmail.com> <9bbc335b0909292137x4db58453qe6647febf6931fcf@mail.gmail.com> <5631e580909300223j344b7745ob6f7997bd78fb74f@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091007183333.05417cd0@coco3.com> Message-ID: Roger Taylor schrieb: >> [...] "Swamp Thing"? > [...] > Got that one coming as well. I'll check it out. My deepest respects regarding your readiness to make sacrifices by means of watching *this* movie... ;-))) Maybe I've been totally wrong (I doubt I had my brain really activated while having that movie running on TV in the background... Torsten ;-) From flexser at fiu.edu Thu Oct 8 20:59:23 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:59:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090929204806.06666f18@coco3.com> <9efa17da0909291941l4ba94b9co4066c8515fe48f2a@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090929223701.06154c88@coco3.com> <9efa17da0909292122q26d08b03r146ccb8b3a113766@mail.gmail.com> <9bbc335b0909292137x4db58453qe6647febf6931fcf@mail.gmail.com> <5631e580909300223j344b7745ob6f7997bd78fb74f@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091007183333.05417cd0@coco3.com> Message-ID: On 10/8/09, Torsten Dittel wrote: > > Roger Taylor schrieb: > > [...] "Swamp Thing"? >>> >> > [...] > > Got that one coming as well. I'll check it out. >> > > My deepest respects regarding your readiness to make sacrifices by means of > watching *this* movie... ;-))) > > Aw, who could object to any junky movie that features Adrienne Barbeau, the busty daughter from the "Maude" TV show? Art From Torsten at Dittel.info Thu Oct 8 23:26:50 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:26:50 +0200 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090929204806.06666f18@coco3.com> <9efa17da0909291941l4ba94b9co4066c8515fe48f2a@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090929223701.06154c88@coco3.com> <9efa17da0909292122q26d08b03r146ccb8b3a113766@mail.gmail.com> <9bbc335b0909292137x4db58453qe6647febf6931fcf@mail.gmail.com> <5631e580909300223j344b7745ob6f7997bd78fb74f@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091007183333.05417cd0@coco3.com> Message-ID: Arthur Flexser schrieb: > Aw, who could object to any junky movie that features Adrienne Barbeau, the > busty daughter from the "Maude" TV show? Hmm... as you're writing that, I remember those huge ...err... mangrove trees in the background: http://tinyurl.com/yh46kez ;-) From peteroswanson at cs.com Thu Oct 8 21:50:30 2009 From: peteroswanson at cs.com (trurotroll) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:50:30 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-paks, CoCo II's, accy's, Software, speech pak's need homes In-Reply-To: <612707.62514.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Vacuumboy1, random_rodder, badfrog, dan, tjseagrove, fiscap0768 Yikes! Four fast responses to my post about the CoCo gear... Well, I have to lean toward someone who can pick up the lot, as I'm short on time (move out has to be early November. I'm only looking for something like $75 for the whole batch of stuff (but that's assuming that the gear gets picked up in Marshfield, MA. Marshfield is about 50 minutes (35 miles) south of Boston. Maybe one of you more local folks could take the whole batch and then part out the things you don't need to the other interested folks (make your own arrangements/deals. I haven't the time (sorry) to do a lot of UPS trips - I wish I could, but this house sale came up suddenly. I'll try to do a more specific inventory -but the original post hits the highlights. There's also a hi-res joystick adapter, an RS-232 pak (Radio Shack) an RGB monitor for the CoCo3(which 'sort of' works) and an RS serial printer (working last time plugged in (several years ago). It's all part of the batch. I just have to unearth it all from my workshop. One thing maybe one of you folks could help me with. I'd love to get my hands on CoCo emulator software to run on an MS/DOS or Windows machine so I could read some of my old word processing files (Elite Word). Beyond that, life is easy... --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, KB wrote: > > I'll take it!!!! How much 4 shiiping? > From random_rodder at yahoo.com Fri Oct 9 19:54:40 2009 From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-paks, CoCo II's, accy's, Software, speech pak's need homes Message-ID: <988628.40564.qm@web43141.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Emulator: try Vcc (google Vcc coc emulator). Works really well with WinXP and 2000. Even has capabiliy to use real floppies with (only one with that capabilty on an NT os). For dos based windows, try David Keil's coco emulator or Jeff Vavasour's (not sure if that's spelled right). As for the coco stuff, I live in Florida... Sent from Brian's iPhone From dan at quakka.com Fri Oct 9 21:00:18 2009 From: dan at quakka.com (Daniel MacMillan) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:00:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-paks, CoCo II's, accy's, Software, speech pak's need homes Message-ID: <1255136418.v2.mailanyonewebmail-283202@fuse106> Hi there ... I am local (Holbrook), and can show up with $75 next Saturday or Sunday (the 17th or 18th). Does that work for you? Thanks, -Dan From peteroswanson at cs.com Sat Oct 10 17:56:13 2009 From: peteroswanson at cs.com (peteroswanson at cs.com) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:56:13 EDT Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-paks, CoCo II's, accy's, Software, speech pak's ne... Message-ID: Hi Brian, Sorry that we're so distant (shipping wise) - thanks for the direction on CoCo emulators. I have a feeling that in a few years after our downsizing move, I'll be searching for exactly the gear I'm selling right now. Do you want me to pass along your e-mail to the local batch buyer? It looks as if I will likely be selling the batch to either a fellow two towns over or another guy who is one state away. I blush to admit I have to go back to re-read their e-mails to figure who was first (a well, duhh! moment for this 63 year old...). Anyway, I appreciate your writing back, and - should you wish- will pass along your info to the person who hauls away the whole kit and kaboodle. Best, Pete From operator at coco3.com Sun Oct 11 12:13:06 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:13:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] coco3.com PMs Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091011110759.04d6faf8@coco3.com> By request, private messaging has been added back to coco3.com. Click on the Dashboard link in the sidebar and look under Users. If you don't know the name of the user, you can get a listing of each user which also shows you all the posts they've made if you like. -- ~ Roger Taylor From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 11 17:09:47 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:47 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0910081508g2f36f1edw1a5a2b7c591d7647@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091008144855.052ebe60@coco3.com> <9efa17da0910081508g2f36f1edw1a5a2b7c591d7647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD2499B.9010501@iinet.net.au> Sean wrote: > Leave the scene whole! I liked that show as a kid and never saw that > episode! :) I've never seen the show myself and wouldn't care to, but I'd tend to agree with Sean - leave the scene intact so you get an idea for (a) the context in which the coco "stars" and (b) how prominently the Coco features in actual airtime. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From boisy at tee-boy.com Sun Oct 11 18:18:49 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:18:49 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat off-topic: Dallas Saturday Sidewalk Sale Message-ID: <2725BB8D-B49F-42D3-81FB-61C5AED59349@tee-boy.com> This is somewhat off-topic, but I'm confident there's a CoCo angle in here somewhere. Has anyone ever heard of the Saturday Sidewalk Sales in Dallas, TX (http://www.sidewalksale.com/index.html )? This is an event that happens twice a month where older computers and electronics are sold by vendors. Seems like it would be a potential place for CoCo products. -- Boisy G. Pitre http://www.tee-boy.com/ From operator at coco3.com Sun Oct 11 19:42:07 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:42:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo in the Movies In-Reply-To: <4AD2499B.9010501@iinet.net.au> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091008144855.052ebe60@coco3.com> <9efa17da0910081508g2f36f1edw1a5a2b7c591d7647@mail.gmail.com> <4AD2499B.9010501@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091011183954.04d85f70@coco3.com> At 04:09 PM 10/11/2009, you wrote: >Sean wrote: > >>Leave the scene whole! I liked that show as a kid and never saw that >>episode! :) > >I've never seen the show myself and wouldn't care to, but I'd tend >to agree with Sean - leave the scene intact so you get an idea for >(a) the context in which the coco "stars" and (b) how prominently >the Coco features in actual airtime. > >Regards, > >-- I'm going to post the full scenes on YouTube from each movie as separate videos. I've still got about 2 movies to go, I think. All others are here. -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Sun Oct 11 19:35:40 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:35:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] serial pak possibilities Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091011181915.04d85ce0@coco3.com> Here's some photos of one of my serial paks with the header mounted on the outside of the case. Such a pak lets the user do what he wants with the signals since they are obviously exposed for that purpose. http://www.coco3.com/community/2009/10/serial-pak/ Other plug-ins are being developed or looked into... one of which will be a hit in my house for sure. Maybe by Xmas I can have that one ready. The serial pak can be made with the header inside or out, but naturally the best project pak has the header on the outside. I can make them anyway you like... just know that there's an EPROM socket and serial socket on each pak, so when CoCoNet or something else exciting is released that can plug into the pak, you should be set by having any pak. All efforts will be made to fit the "secret" plug-in I mentioned above inside the case so existing wireless pak users can convert their pak if they choose to, even if a narrow ribbon cable has to be used to relocate the plug-in. -- ~ Roger Taylor From jdaggett at gate.net Sun Oct 11 21:08:27 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat off-topic: Dallas Saturday Sidewalk Sale In-Reply-To: <2725BB8D-B49F-42D3-81FB-61C5AED59349@tee-boy.com> References: <2725BB8D-B49F-42D3-81FB-61C5AED59349@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <4AD2818B.7841.1663FEA@jdaggett.gate.net> Boisy Always a possibility. I picked up the manual with the two disks for the Coco3 C compiler for OS9 at a local ham fest in West Palm Beach all for the whopping price of one dollar. Still in the plastic wrap and package. Never opened. james On 11 Oct 2009 at 17:18, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > This is somewhat off-topic, but I'm confident there's a CoCo angle in > here somewhere. > > Has anyone ever heard of the Saturday Sidewalk Sales in Dallas, TX (http://www.sidewalksale.com/index.html > )? This is an event that happens twice a month where older computers > and electronics are sold by vendors. Seems like it would be a > potential place for CoCo products. > -- > Boisy G. Pitre > http://www.tee-boy.com/ > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From theother_bob at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 22:44:48 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Somewhat off-topic: Dallas Saturday Sidewalk Sale In-Reply-To: <4AD2818B.7841.1663FEA@jdaggett.gate.net> References: <2725BB8D-B49F-42D3-81FB-61C5AED59349@tee-boy.com> <4AD2818B.7841.1663FEA@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: <882371.55671.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been to it a few times. Bought my first CD-Rom drive there and found decent deals on ram back when I was building my first 486 rig. I always kept an eye out for CoCo stuff but never saw any there... not a single cartridge. I especially looked for RGB-A monitors with no luck. Most of the vendors there are used/refurb PC shop owners and their merchandise reflects that. I've actually had better luck at Trader's Village in Grand Prairie (huge swap meet) where (around '93) I got a box with CoCo2, a few carts and tapes and joysticks for $20. Pawnshops and Goodwill/Salvation Army I've also seen the occasional item. Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: "jdaggett at gate.net" To: Boisy G. Pitre ; CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 8:08:27 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Somewhat off-topic: Dallas Saturday Sidewalk Sale Boisy Always a possibility. I picked up the manual with the two disks for the Coco3 C compiler for OS9 at a local ham fest in West Palm Beach all for the whopping price of one dollar. Still in the plastic wrap and package. Never opened. james On 11 Oct 2009 at 17:18, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > This is somewhat off-topic, but I'm confident there's a CoCo angle in > here somewhere. > > Has anyone ever heard of the Saturday Sidewalk Sales in Dallas, TX (http://www.sidewalksale.com/index.html > )? This is an event that happens twice a month where older computers > and electronics are sold by vendors. Seems like it would be a > potential place for CoCo products. > -- > Boisy G. Pitre > http://www.tee-boy.com/ > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jgrabau66 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 12:24:52 2009 From: jgrabau66 at yahoo.com (John Grabau) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:24:52 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas Message-ID: hello all, I just got a used coco2 (I had one back in 1982) and hooked it up and got it working... I just won on e-Bay a Dungeons of Dagorath cart to play that great game again... I found an old cassette drive (not a Tandy) and made a home brew cable and got that working... now I found out how to convert a .cas file to .wav to play on my laptop and hook it to my home brew cable and got to play a couple of games on the coco... my question is does anybody have a kendathu.cas copy, or know where I can get one... or tell me how to convert the klendathu.bas copy i have to get it to work? I have not used, or know how to use an emulator for the coco... I have M.E.S.S up and running with the coco2 roms... but it wont reconize the .bas file... please help a new again coco user... thanks in advance From jorge_machin at hotmail.com Sun Oct 11 23:55:59 2009 From: jorge_machin at hotmail.com (Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:55:59 -0500 Subject: [Coco] serial pak possibilities In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091011181915.04d85ce0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091011181915.04d85ce0@coco3.com> Message-ID: Roger: It's great! Is it possible to have one with a standard DB9 connector? Jorge Machin > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:35:40 -0500 > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > From: operator at coco3.com > Subject: [Coco] serial pak possibilities > > Here's some photos of one of my serial paks with the header mounted > on the outside of the case. Such a pak lets the user do what he > wants with the signals since they are obviously exposed for that purpose. > > http://www.coco3.com/community/2009/10/serial-pak/ > > Other plug-ins are being developed or looked into... one of which > will be a hit in my house for sure. Maybe by Xmas I can have that one ready. > > The serial pak can be made with the header inside or out, but > naturally the best project pak has the header on the outside. I can > make them anyway you like... just know that there's an EPROM socket > and serial socket on each pak, so when CoCoNet or something else > exciting is released that can plug into the pak, you should be set by > having any pak. All efforts will be made to fit the "secret" plug-in > I mentioned above inside the case so existing wireless pak users can > convert their pak if they choose to, even if a narrow ribbon cable > has to be used to relocate the plug-in. > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_3:092010 From aawolfe at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 00:10:36 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:10:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface Message-ID: Hi, I have tried unsuccessfully to order a SuperIDE interface from Cloud 9. I guess they do not sell it any more. Are there any available alternatives that can provide similar functionality? The SuperIDE has many nice features, but mainly I am just trying to find a nitros9 compatible storage solution. compact flash based is nice but I could scrounge up an ide or scsi disk as well. Thanks for advice, Aaron From coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com Mon Oct 12 01:31:38 2009 From: coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:31:38 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct-11-09, at 10:10 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > I have tried unsuccessfully to order a SuperIDE interface from Cloud > 9. I guess they do not sell it any more. > Are there any available alternatives that can provide similar > functionality? That's a bit sad, but I suppose Cloud-9 is hoping to replace the SuperIDE with some other products down the road (e.g. Superboard, FlashPak). You could try the Glenside Mark II IDE Interface. I don't know much about it, but it certainly looks like a more "barebones" solution compared to Cloud-9's product. http://www.glensideccc.com/ -- JP From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Mon Oct 12 08:29:14 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface In-Reply-To: <1804554325.16379681255350380456.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <116293324.16380311255350554684.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Aaron, Your order and along with about six others are in various stages of the build. I believe I have been in contact with you on this over the term of this transaction. I am aware that it is extremely over due. The past two months I have been dealing with issues with my children and their families. Plus trying to retain my real job. We lost 550 people in the first round of layoffs with more on the way with possibility of complete plant closure(over 1500 employees). We went from 21 to 6 in my immediate lab. Since this is not a political forum...hope and change...What a joke......Enough said. Contact me via private Email and I will return your order in full. We are not gone, just dealing with lots of stuff...... Regards, Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:10:36 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface Hi, I have tried unsuccessfully to order a SuperIDE interface from Cloud 9. I guess they do not sell it any more. Are there any available alternatives that can provide similar functionality? The SuperIDE has many nice features, but mainly I am just trying to find a nitros9 compatible storage solution. compact flash based is nice but I could scrounge up an ide or scsi disk as well. Thanks for advice, Aaron -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 12 10:53:38 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <997266.85902.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can download it here: http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/klendathu.html Hope that helps! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sun, 10/11/09, John Grabau wrote: From: John Grabau Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 9:24 AM hello all, ? ? I just got a used coco2 (I had one back in 1982) and hooked it up and got it working... I just won on e-Bay a Dungeons of Dagorath cart to play that great game again... I found an old cassette drive (not a Tandy) and made a home brew cable and got that working... now I found out how to convert a .cas file to .wav to play on my laptop and hook it to my home brew cable and got to play a couple of games on the coco... my question is does anybody have a kendathu.cas copy, or know where I can get one... or tell me how to convert the klendathu.bas copy i have to get it to work? I have not used, or know how to use an emulator for the coco... I have M.E.S.S up and running with the coco2 roms... but it wont reconize the .bas file... please help a new again coco user... thanks in advance -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From aawolfe at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 13:20:58 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:20:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface In-Reply-To: <116293324.16380311255350554684.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <1804554325.16379681255350380456.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <116293324.16380311255350554684.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: I apologize, I had no idea I was "on the list". Last we spoke, I asked to be put on it (i think about a month ago), but when I never heard back, I figured you were just too busy/couldn't do it. Sounds like you kind of are, but if there is a chance of getting the SuperIDE then I can be patient. It is a very nice device. Thank you, Aaron On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Aaron, > > Your order and along with about six others are in various stages of the build. > > I believe I have been in contact with you on this over the term of this transaction. > > I am aware that it is extremely over due. > > The past two months I have been dealing with issues with my children and their families. Plus trying to retain my real job. We lost 550 people in the first round of layoffs with more on the way with possibility of complete plant closure(over 1500 employees). We went from 21 to 6 in my immediate lab. Since this is not a political forum...hope and change...What a joke......Enough said. > > Contact me via private Email and I will return your order in full. > > We are not gone, just dealing with lots of stuff...... > > Regards, > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Wolfe" > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:10:36 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface > > Hi, > > I have tried unsuccessfully to order a SuperIDE interface from Cloud > 9. ?I guess they do not sell it any more. > Are there any available alternatives that can provide similar > functionality? ?The SuperIDE has many nice features, but mainly I am > just trying to find a nitros9 compatible storage solution. ?compact > flash based is nice but I could scrounge up an ide or scsi disk as > well. > > Thanks for advice, > Aaron > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Mon Oct 12 14:02:22 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface In-Reply-To: <206092215.16485861255370361149.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1402399088.16486911255370542605.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Aaron, No apology needed. Grounded in reality as one put it...... Not an excuse, just not enough time right now. I apologize for the wait. Regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:20:58 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface I apologize, I had no idea I was "on the list". Last we spoke, I asked to be put on it (i think about a month ago), but when I never heard back, I figured you were just too busy/couldn't do it. Sounds like you kind of are, but if there is a chance of getting the SuperIDE then I can be patient. It is a very nice device. Thank you, Aaron On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Aaron, > > Your order and along with about six others are in various stages of the build. > > I believe I have been in contact with you on this over the term of this transaction. > > I am aware that it is extremely over due. > > The past two months I have been dealing with issues with my children and their families. Plus trying to retain my real job. We lost 550 people in the first round of layoffs with more on the way with possibility of complete plant closure(over 1500 employees). We went from 21 to 6 in my immediate lab. Since this is not a political forum...hope and change...What a joke......Enough said. > > Contact me via private Email and I will return your order in full. > > We are not gone, just dealing with lots of stuff...... > > Regards, > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Wolfe" > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:10:36 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface > > Hi, > > I have tried unsuccessfully to order a SuperIDE interface from Cloud > 9. I guess they do not sell it any more. > Are there any available alternatives that can provide similar > functionality? The SuperIDE has many nice features, but mainly I am > just trying to find a nitros9 compatible storage solution. compact > flash based is nice but I could scrounge up an ide or scsi disk as > well. > > Thanks for advice, > Aaron > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Mon Oct 12 19:22:47 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:22:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD3BA47.6000101@worldnet.att.net> John Grabau wrote: > hello all, > I just got a used coco2 (I had one back in 1982) and hooked it up and got it working... I just won on e-Bay a Dungeons of Dagorath cart to play that great game again... I found an old cassette drive (not a Tandy) and made a home brew cable and got that working... now I found out how to convert a .cas file to .wav to play on my laptop and hook it to my home brew cable and got to play a couple of games on the coco... > > my question is does anybody have a kendathu.cas copy, or know where I can get one... or tell me how to convert the klendathu.bas copy i have to get it to work? > > I have not used, or know how to use an emulator for the coco... I have M.E.S.S up and running with the coco2 roms... but it wont reconize the .bas file... > > please help a new again coco user... thanks in advance > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > You need to place the file KLENDATH.BAS on a .dsk disk image, mount the image in MESS, and then access the disk as normal. Now that presupposes you know how to create disk images and you probably don't. A tool comes with the MESS package for creating disk images. With the Windows versions of the tools, imgtool.exe and wimgtool.exe, wimgtool.exe is by far the easier to use. (Are you using Windows or another OS?) Start wimgtool.exe and select File/New. From the pop-up window select a name/location and the filetype CoCo JVC RS-DOS .dsk. That will create a disk image. Then select Image/Insert File and find/select KLENDATH.BAS with Mode - tokenized Basic, File type - Basic, and Ascii flag - binary. Assuming you are running a version of Windows, messui.exe is by far the easiest way to use MESS. When you unzipped the package, you should have created the needed directory structure. That will include a roms directory. You can't run any Coco emulation without having the necessary Coco ROMs which are placed zipped in the ROM directory or unzipped in appropriately named sub-directories. You can find a collection of ROM images at http://www.coco3.com/community/products/rainbow-ide/ under BIOS collection. Now you are ready to start MESS emulation. From messui.exe, open the Folder list using the far left icon. Select Source/coco.c and close the Folder list. I prefer to select the List format for displaying the emulation choices. Select, for example, Color Computer 2B. Now select Device View and mount the newly created .dsk image in the first Floppy Disk slot. You will want to customize the properties of each type of emulation but for now (with the desired emulation highlighted) hit ENTER to start the emulation. With emulation started and the OK prompt on the Coco screen, you just enter RUN"KLENDATH" and the program should start. From tonypodraza at juno.com Mon Oct 12 22:26:42 2009 From: tonypodraza at juno.com (john a podraza) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:26:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface Message-ID: <20091012.212642.2596.0.tonypodraza@juno.com> 'Tis indeed a more "bare-bones" item. It is also, I believe, the first IDE interface marketed for the CoCo and were not too concerned with finesse. It worked..albeit with a lot of coaxing with the OpSystem. We're still trying to get the installation a bit more "appliance-like" instead of "engineer/wizard needed"-like. Any wizards out there who can help with the "auto-install" script and documentation? Contact Brian Goers, please. In the meantime, keep in touch with Mark on a regular basis and try not to get too frustrated with long delays. We're all hobbyists in this thing, now. Keep in mind how long the Glenside hardware was in coming.....but it got there. Keep looking up^ ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYdLtE8khWsnUApLQtJhU6K6KyXx1HuOmkV4UMggWBEv80pD6r2/ From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 12 06:35:24 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <343936.14665.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I've got a REALLY odd way to do it... Would you be interested? From neilsmorr at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 22:50:23 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:50:23 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's another Coco list. You got some replies there Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco You can download it (Klendathu) here: http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/klendathu.html Hope that helps! You need to place the file KLENDATH.BAS on a .dsk disk image, mount the image in MESS, and then access the disk as normal. Now that presupposes you know how to create disk images and you probably don't. A tool comes with the MESS package for creating disk images. With the Windows versions of the tools, imgtool.exe and wimgtool.exe, wimgtool.exe is by far the easier to use. (Are you using Windows or another OS?) Start wimgtool.exe and select File/New. From the pop-up window select a name/location and the filetype CoCo JVC RS-DOS .dsk. That will create a disk image. Then select Image/Insert File and find/select KLENDATH.BAS with Mode - tokenized Basic, File type - Basic, and Ascii flag - binary. Assuming you are running a version of Windows, messui.exe is by far the easiest way to use MESS. When you unzipped the package, you should have created the needed directory structure. That will include a roms directory. You can't run any Coco emulation without having the necessary Coco ROMs which are placed zipped in the ROM directory or unzipped in appropriately named sub-directories. You can find a collection of ROM images at http://www.coco3.com/community/products/rainbow-ide/ under BIOS collection. Now you are ready to start MESS emulation. From messui.exe, open the Folder list using the far left icon. Select Source/coco.c and close the Folder list. I prefer to select the List format for displaying the emulation choices. Select, for example, Color Computer 2B. Now select Device View and mount the newly created .dsk image in the first Floppy Disk slot. You will want to customize the properties of each type of emulation but for now (with the desired emulation highlighted) hit ENTER to start the emulation. With emulation started and the OK prompt on the Coco screen, you just enter RUN"KLENDATH" and the program should start. From operator at coco3.com Tue Oct 13 00:35:36 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:35:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface In-Reply-To: <116293324.16380311255350554684.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.r och.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <1804554325.16379681255350380456.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <116293324.16380311255350554684.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091012224732.05353cc0@coco3.com> At 07:29 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >Aaron, > >Your order and along with about six others are in various stages of the build. > >I believe I have been in contact with you on this over the term of >this transaction. > >I am aware that it is extremely over due. > >The past two months I have been dealing with issues with my children >and their families. Plus trying to retain my real job. We lost 550 >people in the first round of layoffs with more on the way with >possibility of complete plant closure(over 1500 employees). We went >from 21 to 6 in my immediate lab. Since this is not a political >forum...hope and change...What a joke......Enough said. > >Contact me via private Email and I will return your order in full. > >We are not gone, just dealing with lots of stuff...... > >Regards, > >Mark >Cloud-9 Finally, 100% agreement here. What Mark is saying applies to me as well, only my kids are too young to have kids yet. I'm also raising them on my own. There's going to be times when there might be 4 to 6 orders on-the-table and then life gets in the way and slows things down a bit. It's times like these when you wish you had a side kick worker who knew how to blaze a soldering iron or print a booklet, but nope. Actually, my 9 year old boy has helped me at times stuff DVD mailers or fire up some wireless paks while I told him what to type to test the link out. He things it's cool to talk to each other from the CoCo to the laptop. He's even put the pak into Reset mode and CoCo-to-CoCo mode and gone through the menu to select 9600 bps, etc. I might have to hire him on and pay him with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. -- ~ Roger Taylor From flexser at fiu.edu Tue Oct 13 01:01:24 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:01:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091012224732.05353cc0@coco3.com> References: <1804554325.16379681255350380456.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <116293324.16380311255350554684.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20091012224732.05353cc0@coco3.com> Message-ID: On 10/13/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > > Actually, my 9 year old boy has helped me at times stuff DVD mailers or > fire up some wireless paks while I told him what to type to test the link > out. He things it's cool to talk to each other from the CoCo to the laptop. > He's even put the pak into Reset mode and CoCo-to-CoCo mode and gone > through the menu to select 9600 bps, etc. I might have to hire him on and > pay him with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Hey, I wonder if that's how the PBJ Wordpak 80-column gizmo got its name? Maybe they had a kid doing the soldering that got paid off in sandwiches? Art From operator at coco3.com Tue Oct 13 01:17:43 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:17:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Alternative to SuperIDE interface In-Reply-To: References: <1804554325.16379681255350380456.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <116293324.16380311255350554684.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20091012224732.05353cc0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013001559.051a1280@coco3.com> At 12:01 AM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >On 10/13/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > > > > Actually, my 9 year old boy has helped me at times stuff DVD mailers or > > fire up some wireless paks while I told him what to type to test the link > > out. He things it's cool to talk to each other from the CoCo to > the laptop. > > He's even put the pak into Reset mode and CoCo-to-CoCo mode and gone > > through the menu to select 9600 bps, etc. I might have to hire him on and > > pay him with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. > > >Hey, I wonder if that's how the PBJ Wordpak 80-column gizmo got its >name? Maybe they had a kid doing the soldering that got paid off in >sandwiches? > >Art Ha ha! I didn't see that one coming. -- ~ Roger Taylor From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au Tue Oct 13 03:19:32 2009 From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I thank him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my life. laters Briza(Brian) __________________________________________________________________________________ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Oct 13 03:57:36 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:57:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200910130357.37006.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 13 October 2009, brian palmer wrote: >I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if > you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy > week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. > >Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. > >You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 > for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the > 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I > thank him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my > life. > >laters > >Briza(Brian) I think I speak a similar wish as most of this list when I say I am saddened by the passing of a member of a list persons family. This list is like family. My condolences, Brian. > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ >________ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. >Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. A pessimist is a man who has been compelled to live with an optimist. -- Elbert Hubbard From brucewcalkins at charter.net Tue Oct 13 05:54:39 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:54:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. References: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <899D5F8588F04492A00C841FCDF56101@speedy> I so saddened to hear that. Good or bad fathers are a major part of our lives. I lost mine last December, so I have a little clue as to what you will be going through. Don't bother with the stiff upper lip, but do remember and honor the contributions he made to your life. Bruce W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian palmer" >I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if >you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy >week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. > > Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. > > You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 > for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the > 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I > thank him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my > life. > > Briza(Brian) From boisy at tee-boy.com Tue Oct 13 07:05:51 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:05:51 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2BA94E44-1B55-4E0B-B577-5ACCC1E5A924@tee-boy.com> My condolences, Brian. Like your father, mine was also born in 1945, and also was instrumental in my getting a CoCo. -- Boisy G. Pitre http://www.tee-boy.com/ On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:19 AM, brian palmer wrote: > I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today > (13/10/09). So if you don't hear from me for a while you all know > why. Will be a very busy week coming. Everything to be arranged and > what not. > > Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. > > You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a > C-64 for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that > programming the 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So > that's one thing I thank him very much for. It brought a lot of > wonderful people into my life. > > laters > > Briza(Brian) > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Tue Oct 13 07:42:14 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <605070233.16661731255434081030.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <2095303184.16661981255434134918.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Brian, I am sadden as well. Lost my father in '98, my hunting buddy. Remember the good times, hold them close. Our thoughts are with you...... Regards, Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian palmer" To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:19:32 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I thank him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my life. laters Briza(Brian) __________________________________________________________________________________ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From petrander at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 07:50:39 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:50:39 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <2BA94E44-1B55-4E0B-B577-5ACCC1E5A924@tee-boy.com> References: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2BA94E44-1B55-4E0B-B577-5ACCC1E5A924@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: I am really sorry to hear that, Brian! I hope you are coping with the tragic loss and that there wasn't anything left unsaid between you and your father that needed closure. My father's still alive and he often took me to CoCo-meetings, when I was a kid, although he was never really involved in it. My first CoCo I got from my sister and I am also grateful I got that at the time so I did not eventually end up with a C64. I would probably not have ended as a professional programmer if I did. Best regards, Fedor 2009/10/13 Boisy G. Pitre : > My condolences, Brian. ?Like your father, mine was also born in 1945, and > also was instrumental in my getting a CoCo. > -- > Boisy G. Pitre > http://www.tee-boy.com/ > > On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:19 AM, brian palmer wrote: > >> I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So >> if you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy >> week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. >> >> Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. >> >> You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 >> for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the 6809 >> was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I thank him >> very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my life. >> >> laters >> >> Briza(Brian) >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________________________ >> Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. >> Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 13 08:18:18 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:18:18 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AD4700A.60301@iinet.net.au> brian palmer wrote: My condolences Brian. My father brought home a Tandy TRS-80 Model I in 1979. Eventually he got sick of competing with me for the computer so he bought me a Coco 1. We used to go to Coco (and Model I) Computer User Groups together for many years until PCs finally took over. I have very fond memories of those times. Sadly I lost him in '93, way too early! Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 08:16:03 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:16:03 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. References: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201ca4bfe$f09a4960$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Hi Brian, My condolences to you and your family. It's sad to see a man lose his life while still reasonably young. God be with you. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas City, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian palmer" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. >I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if >you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy >week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. > > Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. > > You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 > for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the > 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I > thank him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my > life. > > laters > > Briza(Brian) > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Oct 13 09:25:10 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:25:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor Message-ID: <006401ca4c08$96eb68e0$c4c23aa0$@rr.com> I ran across a Goodwill "sidewalk sale" and was able to buy a 17" monitor (with a little burn-in) for $1, and I'd like to know how to hook it up to my CoCo3. Information, anyone? Thanks From brjeremy at juno.com Tue Oct 13 11:00:46 2009 From: brjeremy at juno.com (brjeremy at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:00:46 GMT Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. Message-ID: <20091013.100046.5948.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Dear Brian: We will remember you and your family here in our prayers at St. Phillips', Exeter, UK. Brother Jeremy, CSJW ____________________________________________________________ Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMersaiJ3KyGhanB8g7NTQcLzEaDzmM1sQTUd93zf6Gt6W5VhONzy/ From jdaggett at gate.net Tue Oct 13 11:36:10 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:36:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AD49E6A.1757.BD0EBE@jdaggett.gate.net> Brian Please accept my deep condolences on your loss. Take time and heal from your loss and we will all still be here GOD willing. james On 13 Oct 2009 at 0:19, brian palmer wrote: > I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. > > Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. > > You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I thank him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my life. > > laters > > Briza(Brian) > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nuxie at aol.com Tue Oct 13 14:29:15 2009 From: nuxie at aol.com (nuxie at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:29:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC1A4A33F3E7D0-1864-8EA4@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> ((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))) I am so sorry to hear this. Mary -----Original Message----- From: brian palmer To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 2:19 am Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I thank him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my life. laters Briza(Brian) __________________________________________________________________________________ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tjseagrove at writeme.com Tue Oct 13 17:07:44 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:07:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015701ca4c49$357cdee0$a0769ca0$@com> Very sad to hear the news of your loss, we pray many blessings on you and family who are still with us. May you find comfort in each other this coming week and beyond... Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of brian palmer Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:20 AM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I thank him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my life. laters Briza(Brian) ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From snhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 18:17:42 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <006401ca4c08$96eb68e0$c4c23aa0$@rr.com> References: <006401ca4c08$96eb68e0$c4c23aa0$@rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Bill wrote: > I ran across a Goodwill "sidewalk sale" and was able to buy a 17" monitor > (with a little burn-in) for $1, and I'd like to know how to hook it up to my > CoCo3. Unless that monitor can sync at 15.75Khz., you're going to need a scan converter. Some of us (well, me anyway) have put together their own using a converter board manufactured for game and arcade machine upgrades. If you don't want to go that route one of the group regulars, Roy Justus manufactures a suitable unit: http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/articles/revjustusvga.html Steve -- From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Oct 13 19:33:48 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:33:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Tandy DMP-132 drivers Message-ID: <006f01ca4c5d$9d283d50$d778b7f0$@rr.com> Does anyone have the drivers for the Tandy DMP-132 printer so I can use it with my "Coco3" PC (the one I use DriveWire with). When I try to install a Tandy printer, the only choice it gives me is the LP-1000 (undoubtedly NOT the one I need.) Thanks From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 20:43:22 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:43:22 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Tandy DMP-132 drivers References: <006f01ca4c5d$9d283d50$d778b7f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <004e01ca4c67$56fc05a0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Bill, have you tried the IBM graphics printer or IBM Proprinter? Make sure the DMP is set to IBM mode. -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [Coco] Tandy DMP-132 drivers > Does anyone have the drivers for the Tandy DMP-132 printer so I can use it > with my "Coco3" PC (the one I use DriveWire with). When I try to install a > Tandy printer, the only choice it gives me is the LP-1000 (undoubtedly NOT > the one I need.) > > > > Thanks > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Tue Oct 13 21:52:53 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Tandy DMP-132 drivers In-Reply-To: <006f01ca4c5d$9d283d50$d778b7f0$@rr.com> References: <006f01ca4c5d$9d283d50$d778b7f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4AD52EF5.3050304@worldnet.att.net> Bill wrote: > Does anyone have the drivers for the Tandy DMP-132 printer so I can use it > with my "Coco3" PC (the one I use DriveWire with). When I try to install a > Tandy printer, the only choice it gives me is the LP-1000 (undoubtedly NOT > the one I need.) > > > > Thanks > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > Look at this url. http://support.radioshack.com/support_accessories/doc4/4333.htm From operator at coco3.com Tue Oct 13 23:28:25 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:28:25 -0500 Subject: [Coco] micro drive configuration Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013221504.04c01840@coco3.com> I have an idea here that I need some feedback on in case I'm missing something that might sneak up on me too late. Take a 2 gig "memory card" of any kind that the CoCo is interfaced to and can access raw sectors for the memory and treat it as a "drive" for OS-9 or Disk BASIC. Currently, there may be systems in use that use partitions to mark off an OS-9 area and a Disk BASIC area, or possibly other areas. I'm guessing that they 256-byte sector controllers so that 1/2 of the memory card isn't lost. If the sectors are 512 bytes, then the OS probably uses both halves of the sector which requires extra overhead... which I'm about to talk about. What if the memory card and host controller only dealt with 512-byte sectors. Would it be absolutely silly to let OS-9/NitrOS-9 have the first half of the sector from LSN to LSN(end) and Disk BASIC have the 2nd half of the sector from LSN0 to LSN(end) ? I realize that a read/write is involved for every write to retain the other OS'es sector, and that a certain amount of speed would be lost for the overhead. The benefit would be that a 128mb, 256mb, 1gig, or 2gig (just examples) memory card can be dropped in without having to tell the CoCo "OS" anything about partitions or areas to stay out of. The idea is to use the drive in a parallel fashion and in the simplest fashion, with no BASIC config program having to be used to configure the "drives". A 2 GIG card would yield 1 GIG for OS-9/NitrOS-9 and 1 GIG for Disk BASIC virtual drives, but then only 256 drives are ideal so this is what I'm trying to work around without wasting any "hard drive" space. Of course OS-9 and DIsk BASIC both would have to use only 256 byte sectors. -- ~ Roger Taylor From fwp at deepthought.com Wed Oct 14 00:40:16 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] micro drive configuration In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013221504.04c01840@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013221504.04c01840@coco3.com> Message-ID: <20091014044015.GC2895@warlock.deepthought.com> Roger, While I think I understand what it is that you're trying to do I don't completely understand the need. These days CF and SD cards are stupidly cheap and for a coco so large as to be a waste of space. Could you really fill up a 1gig card with nitros software or data? I'm not sure if it's worth rewriting coco disk basic and the nitros drivers over. the other Frank On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:28:25PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: > I have an idea here that I need some feedback on in case I'm missing > something that might sneak up on me too late. > > Take a 2 gig "memory card" of any kind that the CoCo is interfaced to > and can access raw sectors for the memory and treat it as a "drive" for > OS-9 or Disk BASIC. Currently, there may be systems in use that use > partitions to mark off an OS-9 area and a Disk BASIC area, or possibly > other areas. I'm guessing that they 256-byte sector controllers so that > 1/2 of the memory card isn't lost. If the sectors are 512 bytes, then > the OS probably uses both halves of the sector which requires extra > overhead... which I'm about to talk about. > > What if the memory card and host controller only dealt with 512-byte > sectors. Would it be absolutely silly to let OS-9/NitrOS-9 have the > first half of the sector from LSN to LSN(end) and Disk BASIC have the > 2nd half of the sector from LSN0 to LSN(end) ? I realize that a > read/write is involved for every write to retain the other OS'es sector, > and that a certain amount of speed would be lost for the overhead. The > benefit would be that a 128mb, 256mb, 1gig, or 2gig (just examples) > memory card can be dropped in without having to tell the CoCo "OS" > anything about partitions or areas to stay out of. The idea is to use > the drive in a parallel fashion and in the simplest fashion, with no > BASIC config program having to be used to configure the "drives". A 2 > GIG card would yield 1 GIG for OS-9/NitrOS-9 and 1 GIG for Disk BASIC > virtual drives, but then only 256 drives are ideal so this is what I'm > trying to work around without wasting any "hard drive" space. > > Of course OS-9 and DIsk BASIC both would have to use only 256 byte sectors. > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdaggett at gate.net Wed Oct 14 00:01:15 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] micro drive configuration In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013221504.04c01840@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013221504.04c01840@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4AD54D0B.5059.EFA09A@jdaggett.gate.net> Roger While it is late here and I may very well be wrong but it seems to me that it wont work very easily. To me it would seem that you run a risk of having either OS9 or DECB trashing the other half of the 512 byte sector during writes to the drive. Both systems would have to read the entire sector, modify the half that would be assigned and then write the whole sector back. I don't beleve there is a way to write either the upper of lower half of a disk sector. Though I could be wrong. james On 13 Oct 2009 at 22:28, Roger Taylor wrote: > I have an idea here that I need some feedback on in case I'm missing > something that might sneak up on me too late. > > Take a 2 gig "memory card" of any kind that the CoCo is interfaced to > and can access raw sectors for the memory and treat it as a "drive" > for OS-9 or Disk BASIC. Currently, there may be systems in use that > use partitions to mark off an OS-9 area and a Disk BASIC area, or > possibly other areas. I'm guessing that they 256-byte sector > controllers so that 1/2 of the memory card isn't lost. If the > sectors are 512 bytes, then the OS probably uses both halves of the > sector which requires extra overhead... which I'm about to talk about. > > What if the memory card and host controller only dealt with 512-byte > sectors. Would it be absolutely silly to let OS-9/NitrOS-9 have the > first half of the sector from LSN to LSN(end) and Disk BASIC have the > 2nd half of the sector from LSN0 to LSN(end) ? I realize that a > read/write is involved for every write to retain the other OS'es > sector, and that a certain amount of speed would be lost for the > overhead. The benefit would be that a 128mb, 256mb, 1gig, or 2gig > (just examples) memory card can be dropped in without having to tell > the CoCo "OS" anything about partitions or areas to stay out of. The > idea is to use the drive in a parallel fashion and in the simplest > fashion, with no BASIC config program having to be used to configure > the "drives". A 2 GIG card would yield 1 GIG for OS-9/NitrOS-9 and 1 > GIG for Disk BASIC virtual drives, but then only 256 drives are ideal > so this is what I'm trying to work around without wasting any "hard > drive" space. > > Of course OS-9 and DIsk BASIC both would have to use only 256 byte sectors. > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From random_rodder at yahoo.com Wed Oct 14 07:38:41 2009 From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <006401ca4c08$96eb68e0$c4c23aa0$@rr.com> References: <006401ca4c08$96eb68e0$c4c23aa0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <309565.6313.qm@web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Bill, Roy's VGA adapter is worth it's weight in gold. And then some. I have two; one for my desktop CoCo3 (which he also made compatible with my Atari ST) and one for my repack. Here are some pics of repack version in action... http://cocom3repack.blogspot.com/2007/03/major-update-wpics.html Roy can be contacted thru this list or his email: rjrtty at aol dot com. Brian ________________________________ From: Bill To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 9:25:10 AM Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor I ran across a Goodwill "sidewalk sale" and was able to buy a 17" monitor (with a little burn-in) for $1, and I'd like to know how to hook it up to my CoCo3. Information, anyone? Thanks -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 14 10:06:30 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe that the pricing in that link is wrong. I thought the price nearly doubled over the summer because Roy was loosing money when he made them at the $48 price point. It is still well worth the costs and very well made. If I am wrong please let me know. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Steven Hirsch wrote: From: Steven Hirsch Subject: Re: [Coco] SVGA monitor To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 3:17 PM On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Bill wrote: > I ran across a Goodwill "sidewalk sale" and was able to buy a 17" monitor > (with a little burn-in) for $1, and I'd like to know how to hook it up to my > CoCo3. Unless that monitor can sync at 15.75Khz., you're going to need a scan converter.? Some of us (well, me anyway) have put together their own using a converter board manufactured for game and arcade machine upgrades. If you don't want to go that route one of the group regulars, Roy Justus manufactures a suitable unit: http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/articles/revjustusvga.html Steve -- -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From twospruces at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 10:47:59 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:47:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was looking around last night, and found a scan converter for CGA--> VGA for 48$ + shipping. It was a board with no enclosure, and no power supply, and it was geared towards the vintage game console users. I *think* I still have an order in with Roy, I should check with him! I'd rather have the custom version from Roy than one off the shelf, but I did get the impression that it might be turning into work for Roy now, as opposed to the fun part. Who knows. Certainly it is a lot of work to make something like this happen, so good on ya Roy! ..Steve On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Derek wrote: > I believe that the pricing in that link is wrong. I thought the price nearly doubled over the summer because Roy was loosing money when he made them at the $48 price point. It is still well worth the costs and very well made. > > If I am wrong please let me know. > > ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** > > > > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Steven Hirsch wrote: > > From: Steven Hirsch > Subject: Re: [Coco] SVGA monitor > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 3:17 PM > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Bill wrote: > >> I ran across a Goodwill "sidewalk sale" and was able to buy a 17" monitor >> (with a little burn-in) for $1, and I'd like to know how to hook it up to my >> CoCo3. > > Unless that monitor can sync at 15.75Khz., you're going to need a scan converter.? Some of us (well, me anyway) have put together their own using a converter board manufactured for game and arcade machine upgrades. > > If you don't want to go that route one of the group regulars, Roy Justus manufactures a suitable unit: > > http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/articles/revjustusvga.html > > Steve > > > -- > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From aawolfe at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 10:52:41 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor Message-ID: <4ad5e5bb.47c1f10a.4890.14f9@mx.google.com> +1 for Roy's adapter, it works very well. Video quality is superb. -----Original Message----- From: Derek Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:06 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] SVGA monitor I believe that the pricing in that link is wrong. I thought the price nearly doubled over the summer because Roy was loosing money when he made them at the $48 price point. It is still well worth the costs and very well made. If I am wrong please let me know. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Steven Hirsch wrote: From: Steven Hirsch Subject: Re: [Coco] SVGA monitor To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 3:17 PM On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Bill wrote: > I ran across a Goodwill "sidewalk sale" and was able to buy a 17" monitor > (with a little burn-in) for $1, and I'd like to know how to hook it up to my > CoCo3. Unless that monitor can sync at 15.75Khz., you're going to need a scan converter.? Some of us (well, me anyway) have put together their own using a converter board manufactured for game and arcade machine upgrades. If you don't want to go that route one of the group regulars, Roy Justus manufactures a suitable unit: http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/articles/revjustusvga.html Steve -- -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Wed Oct 14 15:09:14 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Hi Fellow Coconuts. Bad news my father passed away today. In-Reply-To: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <926033.34431.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200910141509.15040.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Hello Brian, Lost my Dad in 2004, so I do know of your loss. As has already been said, remember the good times. To those who still have their parents, charish them and enjoy them while you can. On Tuesday 13 October 2009 03:19:32 brian palmer wrote: > I thought I would let you know my Father passed away today(13/10/09). So if > you don't hear from me for a while you all know why. Will be a very busy > week coming. Everything to be arranged and what not. > > Keith Richard Palmer 1945-2009. > > You can thank my Father for me being a die-hard coconut. I wanted a C-64 > for X-mas. He got me the coco 3 instead as he read that programming the > 6809 was easier then the 6502 chip in the C-64. So that's one thing I thank > him very much for. It brought a lot of wonderful people into my life. > > laters > > Briza(Brian) > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ >_______ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 14 17:40:08 2009 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:40:08 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Engineers Message-ID: <4AD64538.70305@sbcglobal.net> You're An Engineer If... You and your co-workers have set out to modify the antenna on the radio in your work area for better reception. All your sentences begin with "what if". At Christmas, it goes without saying that you will be the one to find the burnt-out bulb in the string. Buying flowers for your girlfriend or spending the money to upgrade your RAM is a moral dilemma. Dilbert is your hero. Everyone else on the Alaskan cruise is on deck peering at the scenery, and you are still on a personal tour of the engine room. In college you thought Spring Break was a metal fatigue failure. On vacation, you are reading a computer manual and turning the pages faster than someone else who is reading a John Grisham novel. People groan at the party when you pick out the music. The blinking 12:00 on someone's VCR draws you in like a tractor beam to fix it. The only jokes you receive are through e-mail. The salespeople at Circuit City can't answer any of your questions. The thought that a CD could refer to finance or music never enters your mind. You are always late to meetings. You are at an air show and know how fast the skydivers are falling. You are aware that computers are actually only good for playing games, but are afraid to say so out loud. You are convinced you can build a phazer from your garage door opener and your camera's flash attachment. You are currently gathering the components to build your own nuclear reactor. You are next in line on death row in a French prison and you find that the guillotine is not working properly so you offer to fix it. You are still drinking Mr. Pibb. You are wine tasting and find yourself paying more attention to the cork screws than the '84 Chardonnay. You bought your wife a new DVD ROM for her birthday. You bought your wife's valentine gift at orchard supply. You can name at least six Star Trek episodes. You can type 70 words a minute but can't read your own handwriting. You can understand anything Al Gore says. You can't remember where you parked your car for the 3rd time this week. You can't write unless the paper has both horizontal and vertical lines. You carry a list for everything except the groceries. You carry on a one-hour debate over the expected results of a test that actually takes five minutes to run. You comment to your wife that her straight hair is nice and parallel You disdain people who use low baud rates. You do Darth Vader or Battlestar Gallactica impersonations by talking into a spinning fan. You drive a gremlin with a "Beam me up Scotty" bumper sticker. You ever burned down the gymnasium with your science fair project You ever forgot to get a haircut ... for 6 months. You find yourself at the airport on your vacation studying the baggage handling equipment. You go on the rides at Disneyland and sit backwards in the chairs to see how they do the special effects. You have "Dilbert" comics displayed anywhere in your work area. You have a functioning home copier machine, but every toaster you own turns bread into charcoal. You have a habit of destroying things in order to see how they work. You have ever debated who was a better captain: Kirk or Piccard. You have ever owned a calculator with no equals key and know what RPN stands for. You have ever purchased an electronic appliance "as-is". You have ever saved the power cord from a broken appliance. You have ever taken the back off your TV just to see what's inside. You have introduced your kids by the wrong name. You have memorized the Discovery Channel program schedule but have seen most of the shows already. You have modified your can opener to be microprocessor driven. You have more friends on the Internet than in real life. You have never backed up your hard drive. You have never bought any new underwear or socks for yourself since you got married. You have used coat hangers and duct tape for something other than hanging coats and taping ducts. You introduce your wife/husband as mylady at home.wife/husband . You just don't have the heart to throw away the 100-in-1 electronics kit you got for your ninth birthday. You know how to take the cover off your computer, and what size screwdriver to use. You know the altitude limits for turning on and off electronic equipment on commercial flights. You know the direction the water swirls when you flush. You know what http:// stands for. You look forward to Christmas only to put together the kids' toys You need a checklist to turn on the TV. You order pizza over the Internet and pay for it through your home banking software. You own one or more white short-sleeve dress shirts. You rearrange the dishwasher to maximize the packing factor. You remember half a dozen passwords and your ten-digit Compuserve address, but you have to call your niece "kiddo". You rotate your screen savers more frequently than your automobile tires. You see a good design and still have to change it. You spend more time on your home computer than in your car. You spent more on your calculator than on your wedding ring. You still own a slide rule and you know how to work it. You talk about the high resolution and picture-in-picture capability of your big screen TV while everybody is watching the Superbowl. You talk about trellis code modulation at parties. You think a pocket protector is a fashion accessory. You think of the gadgets in your office as "friends," but you forget to send your father a birthday card. You think Sales and Marketing are Satan's children. You think that when people around you yawn, it's because they didn't get enough sleep. You think your computer looks better without the cover. You thought the contraption ET used to phone home was stupid. You thought the real heroes of "Apollo 13" were the mission controllers. (they were) You use a CAD package to design your son's Pine Wood Derby car. You walk around with your hands in your two front pockets 99% of the time. You want an BLUE-RAY for Christmas. You wear black socks with white tennis shoes (or vice versa). You window shop at Radio Shack. You would rather get more dots per inch than miles per gallon. You've ever tried to repair a $5 radio. Your four basic food groups are: 1. Caffeine, 2. Fat, 3. Sugar, 4. Chocolate. Your checkbook always balances. Your dress clothes come from Sears. Your favorite actor is R2D2. Your favorite character on Gilligan's Island was "The Professor". Your favorite James Bond character is "Q," the guy who makes the gadgets. Your favorite place in San Francisco is the Exploratorium. Your favorite television show is New Yankee Workshop. Your girlfriend says the way you dress is no reflection on her. Your idea of a "good read" is the Edmund Scientific catalog. Your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place. Your ideal evening consists of fast-forwarding through the latest. Your IQ is a higher number than your weight. -- From snhirsch at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:18:56 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Stephen Adolph wrote: > I was looking around last night, and found a scan converter for CGA--> > VGA for 48$ + shipping. It was a board with no enclosure, and no power > supply, and it was geared towards the vintage game console users. Do you have a link for that? I used a Wei-Ya CGA->VGA board of the same basic description, but it cost almost $70. Would be nice to pickup a second unit for less. Steve -- From coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com Wed Oct 14 18:28:52 2009 From: coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:28:52 -0600 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct-14-09, at 8:06 AM, Derek wrote: > I believe that the pricing in that link is wrong. I thought the > price nearly doubled over the summer because Roy was loosing money > when he made them at the $48 price point. It is still well worth the > costs and very well made. Just to refresh people's memories, here is Roy's message regarding the status and pricing of his RGB adapter: -- JP From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 14 18:40:55 2009 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:40:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Engineers In-Reply-To: <4AD64538.70305@sbcglobal.net> References: <4AD64538.70305@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:40:08 -0500, John Donaldson had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >You're An Engineer If... > >Your idea of a "good read" is the Edmund Scientific catalog. Great timing, the catalog arrived in the mail today... :-) -- Stephen Fine day to work off excess energy. Steal something heavy. From yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 14 19:11:31 2009 From: yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com (Richard Adams) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:11:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 77, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Boisy, I have been to the Dallas First Saturday (and they also do them on the Third Saturday of the month, or at least used to do so) many, many, many times, and the only CoCo item I ever found was a few cartridges here and there (and those not often). As Bob said, it's almost all PC stuff (and other electronics, and even clothes and other assorted goods), but it's very rare to see any CoCo stuff at all, or even Atari or C64 or Vic20 or TI 99 or Adam/Coleco stuff (although I did buy an old friend a TI-99/4A that I found - he was a hardcore 99'er from back when I was a hard-core CoCo man). I did see a Tandy 1000 HX there a few months back, still in the original box. Tempting, but I've got too much stuff already. Best regards, Richard > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:18:49 -0500 > From: "Boisy G. Pitre" > Subject: [Coco] Somewhat off-topic: Dallas Saturday Sidewalk Sale > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Message-ID: <2725BB8D-B49F-42D3-81FB-61C5AED59349 at tee-boy.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > This is somewhat off-topic, but I'm confident there's a CoCo angle in > here somewhere. > > Has anyone ever heard of the Saturday Sidewalk Sales in Dallas, TX (http://www.sidewalksale.com/index.html > )? This is an event that happens twice a month where older computers > and electronics are sold by vendors. Seems like it would be a > potential place for CoCo products. > -- > Boisy G. Pitre > http://www.tee-boy.com/ > > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:44:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: theother_bob > Subject: Re: [Coco] Somewhat off-topic: Dallas Saturday Sidewalk Sale > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Message-ID: <882371.55671.qm at web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I've been to it a few times. Bought my first CD-Rom drive there and found decent deals on ram back when I was building my first 486 rig. I always kept an eye out for CoCo stuff but never saw any there... not a single cartridge. I especially looked for RGB-A monitors with no luck. Most of the vendors there are used/refurb PC shop owners and their merchandise reflects that. > > I've actually had better luck at Trader's Village in Grand Prairie (huge swap meet) where (around '93) I got a box with CoCo2, a few carts and tapes and joysticks for $20. Pawnshops and Goodwill/Salvation Army I've also seen the occasional item. > > Bob **** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From twospruces at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 20:08:05 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:08:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.jammaboards.com/store/cga/ega/yuv-to-vga-converter-pcb-gbs-8220/prod_291.html this is what I found. Does this do the trick? From twospruces at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 20:13:12 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:13:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.welink.cc/e/product/product_detail.asp?sku=6 and here for 45 2009/10/14 Stephen Adolph : > http://www.jammaboards.com/store/cga/ega/yuv-to-vga-converter-pcb-gbs-8220/prod_291.html > > this is what I found. > > Does this do the trick? > From twospruces at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 20:15:00 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:15:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6v89LahLc8 and here in action On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Stephen Adolph wrote: > http://www.welink.cc/e/product/product_detail.asp?sku=6 > > and here for 45 > > > 2009/10/14 Stephen Adolph : >> http://www.jammaboards.com/store/cga/ega/yuv-to-vga-converter-pcb-gbs-8220/prod_291.html >> >> this is what I found. >> >> Does this do the trick? >> > From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 14 01:20:50 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:20:50 -0500 Subject: [Coco] micro drive configuration In-Reply-To: <20091014044015.GC2895@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013221504.04c01840@coco3.com> <20091014044015.GC2895@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013234310.04e784f8@coco3.com> At 11:40 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >Roger, > >While I think I understand what it is that you're trying to do I >don't completely understand the need. These days CF and SD cards are >stupidly cheap and for a coco so large as to be a waste of space. Could >you really fill up a 1gig card with nitros software or data? >I'm not sure if it's worth rewriting coco disk basic and the nitros >drivers over. Already done. It was worth it. Btw, I can click Go and build it all in seconds now that it's a Rainbow IDE project. 6551 boot module, NitrOS-9 virtual hard drive image, CoCoNet EPROM, etc. The CoCoNet ROM builder actually assembles the patch for Disk BASIC and overlays it on an existing copy of Disk BASIC like it was LOADM'ed on the real CoCo. Thanks to CCASM and Rainbow IDE, I've pretty much streamlined the process, give or take a few snags. -- ~ Roger Taylor From jgrabau66 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 14 18:07:38 2009 From: jgrabau66 at yahoo.com (John Grabau) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:07:38 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: <343936.14665.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yes, please... --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, KB wrote: > > I've got a REALLY odd way to do it... Would you be interested? > From jgrabau66 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 14 18:22:56 2009 From: jgrabau66 at yahoo.com (John Grabau) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:22:56 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: this is what i got when i tried it... http://www.grabaus.net/klendathu.GIF From badfrog at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 20:44:18 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] micro drive configuration In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013234310.04e784f8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013221504.04c01840@coco3.com> <20091014044015.GC2895@warlock.deepthought.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091013234310.04e784f8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0910141744me106d1dj3b29fc930f98c131@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 11:40 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >> >> Roger, >> >> While I think I understand what it is that you're trying to do I >> don't completely understand the need. These days CF and SD cards are >> stupidly cheap and for a coco so large as to be a waste of space. Could >> you really fill up a 1gig card with nitros software or data? > > > >> I'm not sure if it's worth rewriting coco disk basic and the nitros >> drivers over. > > Already done. ?It was worth it. > > Btw, I can click Go and build it all in seconds now that it's a Rainbow IDE > project. ?6551 boot module, NitrOS-9 virtual hard drive image, CoCoNet > EPROM, etc. ?The CoCoNet ROM builder actually assembles the patch for Disk > BASIC and overlays it on an existing copy of Disk BASIC like it was LOADM'ed > on the real CoCo. ?Thanks to CCASM and Rainbow IDE, I've pretty much > streamlined the process, give or take a few snags. > > > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > This is starting to sound like the ultimate pak I would like to have for the CoCo: Stick a $20 CF card in it, and be able to pick from Disk Basic or an OS9 install. The disk basic side would have a ton of virtual drives available (or an easy way to mount images located elsewhere), the OS-9 side would have a good sized 'hard drive'. (though my old hard drive was 20 meg and I probably had it 10% full, even aftering pilfering Delphi and BBSes for everything I want) Combine that with a way to transfer files to the CoCo with a terminal program or the CoCoNet software, and you could do everything with one pak that once would have required a multi-pak, a floppy drive, a hard drive interface, and an RS-232 pak. I'd be willing to pay up to $200 for such a device! It would make my demos at the classic gaming conventions very easy and awesome. From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 14 22:27:40 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091014212113.055bf238@coco3.com> At 09:06 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote: >I believe that the pricing in that link is wrong. I thought the >price nearly doubled over the summer because Roy was loosing money >when he made them at the $48 price point. It is still well worth the >costs and very well made. > >If I am wrong please let me know. > >** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** Roy's VGA adaptor is a Must Have. -- ~ Roger Taylor From neilsmorr at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 22:14:53 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas [1 Attachment] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Odd. I had no problem. It's attached. Neil From: John Grabau this is what i got when i tried it... http://www.grabaus.net/klendathu.GIF From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 14 23:21:11 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:21:11 -0500 Subject: [Coco] micro drive configuration In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0910141744me106d1dj3b29fc930f98c131@mail.gmail.com > References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091013221504.04c01840@coco3.com> <20091014044015.GC2895@warlock.deepthought.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091013234310.04e784f8@coco3.com> <9efa17da0910141744me106d1dj3b29fc930f98c131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091014212902.055bed18@coco3.com> At 07:44 PM 10/14/2009, you wrote: >This is starting to sound like the ultimate pak I would like to have >for the CoCo: Stick a $20 CF card in it, and be able to pick from >Disk Basic or an OS9 install. The disk basic side would have a ton >of virtual drives available (or an easy way to mount images located >elsewhere), the OS-9 side would have a good sized 'hard drive'. >(though my old hard drive was 20 meg and I probably had it 10% full, >even aftering pilfering Delphi and BBSes for everything I want) >Combine that with a way to transfer files to the CoCo with a terminal >program or the CoCoNet software, and you could do everything with one >pak that once would have required a multi-pak, a floppy drive, a hard >drive interface, and an RS-232 pak. > >I'd be willing to pay up to $200 for such a device! It would make my >demos at the classic gaming conventions very easy and awesome. It's not a CF card but a tiny MicroSD card maybe the size of your thumb nail. A maintenance App on the PC can be used to load up the MicroSD card with OS-9 and Disk BASIC images. I don't want any configuration whatsoever from the CoCo. It needs to be plug-and-play for the CoCo. The MicroSD module could be swapped with a bluetooth module and CoCoNet won't know the difference. Using either module, the CoCo will have a huge NitrOS-9 or OS-9 hard drive and 256+ virtual floppies, and perhaps more. -- ~ Roger Taylor From charles.shrader at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 21:34:34 2009 From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:34:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <541D5970F9B04DF2B1E4DFA66C9C80ED@chuck02> I have Klendathu on a disk image; would this be helpful? Chuck From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 15 03:14:59 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:14:59 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091014212113.055bf238@coco3.com> References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091014212113.055bf238@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4AD6CBF3.30205@iinet.net.au> Roger Taylor wrote: > Roy's VGA adaptor is a Must Have. For NTSC users anyway... ;) Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From snhirsch at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 08:23:09 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Stephen Adolph wrote: > http://www.jammaboards.com/store/cga/ega/yuv-to-vga-converter-pcb-gbs-8220/prod_291.html > > this is what I found. > > Does this do the trick? Interesting. According to their website, that replaces the particular unit I used (shown there as discontinued). If it's made by Wei-Ya (which I believe it is) things should "just work". However, that's just speculation so go into it with your eyes open. I may grab one of those. Thanks for the heads up! Steve -- From mdelyea at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 13:34:57 2009 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:34:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 Easter egg? Message-ID: <1b52e6c80910151034p37d161a6m8662fcf67eec5ec4@mail.gmail.com> My Coco is in storage right now but has anybody seen this? The OS-9 operating system has a file manager called "SCF" which handles serial devices such as the console. One of the system calls available will "stuff" the input buffer with a string which can later be recalled by using the CTRL-A ("again") keyboard sequence. Microware programmers hid a credit string inside this buffer which you can obtain by typing "CTRL-A" on a serial prompt that has never been used (unless the program clears it). The easiest way to see this on most OS-9 systems is by pressing "CTRL-A" at the LOGIN prompt. On some versions, pressing CTRL-A at the OS-9 shell prompt when you first boot up will also produce it. From operator at coco3.com Thu Oct 15 13:46:00 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:46:00 -0500 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> I've been looking into this for months now and am baffled by how there are so many of the same questions popping up on the web, yet no answers. The only answers you see are from those quasi-experts who just keep repeating the same garbage: "reformat the stick", "use HP Key", etc. I guess some people have too much free time on their hands to solve problems without really trying it themselves. None of that works on these mysteriously locked out sticks. The problem is that a *LOT* of USB Flash drives are randomly becoming Write Protected, and there seems to be no way to recover that I'm aware of. I've looked and looked. Here's just one blurbs page showing the common problem: http://www.fixya.com/search/p454525-sandisk_1gb_cruzer_titanium_usb_flash/write_protected I've got about 4 brands here (some were $40 or more) and all of them became write protected or locked out when I inserted them in my home DVD player that has a USB port on the front. Now the player can't access the sticks, nor any Windows system I have. They all report only 8MB of space and can't format using any tool. Also, recently I've noticed a spike in the availability of USB drives in Wal-Mart and other dept stores. Hmmmm. Tons of them hitting the clearance racks for $5 and new ones stacked in bulk makes me wonder what's going on here, really. For this reason I've given up on USB sticks until I can fix the ones I have. If they can't be fixed, I'll have to put this one on my bamboozle list. -- ~ Roger Taylor From badfrog at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 14:00:05 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:00:05 -0500 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0910151100j478f8d6cx5e0deeae3997b443@mail.gmail.com> Never even heard of this problem before. The results from Google seem very limited, it doesn't appear to be a rampant problem. I did run across this possible solution using regedit: http://pressf1.co.nz/showthread.php?t=88972 I'd just stop sticking them in your DVD player. :) On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > I've been looking into this for months now and am baffled by how there are > so many of the same questions popping up on the web, yet no answers. ?The > only answers you see are from those quasi-experts who just keep repeating > the same garbage: "reformat the stick", "use HP Key", etc. ?I guess some > people have too much free time on their hands to solve problems without > really trying it themselves. ?None of that works on these mysteriously > locked out sticks. > > The problem is that a *LOT* of USB Flash drives are randomly becoming Write > Protected, and there seems to be no way to recover that I'm aware of. ?I've > looked and looked. > > Here's just one blurbs page showing the common problem: > http://www.fixya.com/search/p454525-sandisk_1gb_cruzer_titanium_usb_flash/write_protected > > I've got about 4 brands here (some were $40 or more) and all of them became > write protected or locked out when I inserted them in my home DVD player > that has a USB port on the front. ?Now the player can't access the sticks, > nor any Windows system I have. ?They all report only 8MB of space and can't > format using any tool. > > Also, recently I've noticed a spike in the availability of USB drives in > Wal-Mart and other dept stores. ?Hmmmm. ?Tons of them hitting the clearance > racks for $5 and new ones stacked in bulk makes me wonder what's going on > here, really. > > For this reason I've given up on USB sticks until I can fix the ones I have. > ?If they can't be fixed, I'll have to put this one on my bamboozle list. > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From snhirsch at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 15:18:34 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Stephen Adolph wrote: > http://www.welink.cc/e/product/product_detail.asp?sku=6 > > and here for 45 I ended up buying one of them on eBay for $40 + $15 shipping. Will update the list when I have a chance to evaluate it. Steve -- From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Oct 15 16:14:01 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:14:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4AD78289.60504@worldnet.att.net> Roger Taylor wrote: > I've been looking into this for months now and am baffled by how there > are so many of the same questions popping up on the web, yet no > answers. The only answers you see are from those quasi-experts who just > keep repeating the same garbage: "reformat the stick", "use HP Key", > etc. I guess some people have too much free time on their hands to > solve problems without really trying it themselves. None of that works > on these mysteriously locked out sticks. > > The problem is that a *LOT* of USB Flash drives are randomly becoming > Write Protected, and there seems to be no way to recover that I'm aware > of. I've looked and looked. > > Here's just one blurbs page showing the common problem: > http://www.fixya.com/search/p454525-sandisk_1gb_cruzer_titanium_usb_flash/write_protected > > > I've got about 4 brands here (some were $40 or more) and all of them > became write protected or locked out when I inserted them in my home DVD > player that has a USB port on the front. Now the player can't access > the sticks, nor any Windows system I have. They all report only 8MB of > space and can't format using any tool. > > Also, recently I've noticed a spike in the availability of USB drives in > Wal-Mart and other dept stores. Hmmmm. Tons of them hitting the > clearance racks for $5 and new ones stacked in bulk makes me wonder > what's going on here, really. > > For this reason I've given up on USB sticks until I can fix the ones I > have. If they can't be fixed, I'll have to put this one on my bamboozle > list. Roger, Do I understand you to say that the USB sticks were not write protected until used in the DVD player? I'd say the answer to my question is crucial in determining whether the sticks themselves are bad. Also, even if the USB sticks became write protected, you should still be able to read them. So, by "access the sticks" do you mean write to them? The way I interpret what you posted is that the DVD player has somehow locked the USB sticks in a read-only mode that even your computer system can't unlock. That doesn't leave many possibilities for failure other than the DVD "burning out" something in the USB sticks. Since I don't know how these sticks work, I can't guess whether some electronic part or the actual memory got damaged. Do you have anyway of testing whether the voltages on the USB port of the DVD player are within spec? From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Oct 15 16:19:15 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 Easter egg? In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80910151034p37d161a6m8662fcf67eec5ec4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b52e6c80910151034p37d161a6m8662fcf67eec5ec4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD783C3.2070506@worldnet.att.net> mike delyea wrote: > My Coco is in storage right now but has anybody seen this? > > The OS-9 operating system has a file manager called "SCF" which > handles serial devices such as the console. One of the system calls > available will "stuff" the input buffer with a string which can later > be recalled by using the CTRL-A ("again") keyboard sequence. > > Microware programmers hid a credit string inside this buffer which you > can obtain by typing "CTRL-A" on a serial prompt that has never been > used (unless the program clears it). > > The easiest way to see this on most OS-9 systems is by pressing > "CTRL-A" at the LOGIN prompt. On some versions, pressing CTRL-A at the > OS-9 shell prompt when you first boot up will also produce it. > What you see will depend on whether you are using stock OS-9 or versions of NitrOS-9. The result will also depend on whether the Shell is stock or enhanced to replace CTRL-A with Shift ->. Currently NitrOS-9 with Shift -> will display www.nitros9.org. From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 15 16:34:15 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:34:15 +1000 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4AD78747.8050806@iinet.net.au> Roger Taylor wrote: > For this reason I've given up on USB sticks until I can fix the ones I > have. If they can't be fixed, I'll have to put this one on my bamboozle > list. My colleague bought a batch of counterfeit Corsair 64GB USB drives a few months ago. Fortunately he bought them from a reputable dealer and was able to obtain a full refund once they discovered they were selling counterfeits. He's still got them but never used them - reportedly they have similar problems as you describe. You just need to be sure that you're buying genuine product and you'll be right. Same story with "Sony" memory sticks a few years back. The adages "you get what you pay for" and "if it's too good to be true..." apply here. I paid a premium for my Corsair 16GB sticks but never had a problem with them. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From aawolfe at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 16:41:45 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:41:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> Message-ID: I've fixed every usb flash drive that i've personally screwed up using this tool: http://downloads.pcworld.com/pub/new/utilities/peripherals/SP27608.exe ymmw... -Aaron On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > I've been looking into this for months now and am baffled by how there are > so many of the same questions popping up on the web, yet no answers. ?The > only answers you see are from those quasi-experts who just keep repeating > the same garbage: "reformat the stick", "use HP Key", etc. ?I guess some > people have too much free time on their hands to solve problems without > really trying it themselves. ?None of that works on these mysteriously > locked out sticks. > > The problem is that a *LOT* of USB Flash drives are randomly becoming Write > Protected, and there seems to be no way to recover that I'm aware of. ?I've > looked and looked. > > Here's just one blurbs page showing the common problem: > http://www.fixya.com/search/p454525-sandisk_1gb_cruzer_titanium_usb_flash/write_protected > > I've got about 4 brands here (some were $40 or more) and all of them became > write protected or locked out when I inserted them in my home DVD player > that has a USB port on the front. ?Now the player can't access the sticks, > nor any Windows system I have. ?They all report only 8MB of space and can't > format using any tool. > > Also, recently I've noticed a spike in the availability of USB drives in > Wal-Mart and other dept stores. ?Hmmmm. ?Tons of them hitting the clearance > racks for $5 and new ones stacked in bulk makes me wonder what's going on > here, really. > > For this reason I've given up on USB sticks until I can fix the ones I have. > ?If they can't be fixed, I'll have to put this one on my bamboozle list. > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 15 18:19:46 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:19:46 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 77, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD7A002.9030207@iinet.net.au> Richard Adams wrote: > but it's very rare to see any CoCo > stuff at all, or even Atari or C64 or Vic20 or TI 99 or Adam/Coleco stuff Retro computing/gaming stuff is becoming increasingly hard to find as people "wisen up" that there's money to be made from this stuff. It used to be that you could walk into any pawn shop and pick up an old console for nothing - or even find stuff on the sidewalk during council cleanups. Years ago I bought a boxed NES for AUD$7, and a few unboxed for AUD$1!!! Now, the old consoles are very rare in pawn shops because people know they can get a lot more for it on eBay. And when you do find one, they're often asking ridiculous prices. I kid you not - a few months ago I saw some rather well-worn SNES games (in equally well-worn boxes) for which they wanted AUD$95 each!!!! :O Each!!! And they weren't even rare titles! (To give you an idea - unboxed SNES games here generally go for AUD$3-5). It's only going to get worse as these things inevitably get rarer - either thrown out or lost by the uncaring, or snapped up by collectors. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From operator at coco3.com Thu Oct 15 19:24:28 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:24:28 -0500 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0910151100j478f8d6cx5e0deeae3997b443@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> <9efa17da0910151100j478f8d6cx5e0deeae3997b443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015181846.0541dd40@coco3.com> At 01:00 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: >Never even heard of this problem before. The results from Google seem >very limited, it doesn't appear to be a rampant problem. > >I did run across this possible solution using regedit: >http://pressf1.co.nz/showthread.php?t=88972 > >I'd just stop sticking them in your DVD player. :) Exactly. Limited Google results? That's because nobody is calling the darn things by the same name. Memory stick, usb stick, flash drive, flash stick, usb flash, memory drive, usb drive... you get the idea. Some people are saying it's a virus or worm, along with whatever they think their usb drive is called. :) So the words you used to find posts on this subject might not be turning up what I found. The regedit thing doesn't work. I tried that months ago. -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Thu Oct 15 19:27:34 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:27:34 -0500 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: <4AD78747.8050806@iinet.net.au> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> <4AD78747.8050806@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015182634.0541dfd0@coco3.com> At 03:34 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: >Roger Taylor wrote: > >>For this reason I've given up on USB sticks until I can fix the >>ones I have. If they can't be fixed, I'll have to put this one on >>my bamboozle list. > >My colleague bought a batch of counterfeit Corsair 64GB USB drives a >few months ago. Fortunately he bought them from a reputable dealer >and was able to obtain a full refund once they discovered they were >selling counterfeits. He's still got them but never used them - >reportedly they have similar problems as you describe. > >You just need to be sure that you're buying genuine product and >you'll be right. Same story with "Sony" memory sticks a few years >back. The adages "you get what you pay for" and "if it's too good to >be true..." apply here. I paid a premium for my Corsair 16GB sticks >but never had a problem with them. > >Regards, I'm pretty sure I bought all my USB flash drives from Wal-Mart. -- ~ Roger Taylor From operator at coco3.com Thu Oct 15 19:39:45 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:39:45 -0500 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015183513.0551d480@coco3.com> At 03:41 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: >I've fixed every usb flash drive that i've personally screwed up using >this tool: > >http://downloads.pcworld.com/pub/new/utilities/peripherals/SP27608.exe > >ymmw... >-Aaron DriveKey doesn't work. It reports "Device media is write-protected." I just tried it using that download but I've had a copy for a year now with no luck. I'm not sure what's trashing my flash drives, but it seems like it could have been the home DVD player. I won't plug any sticks in it to find out. I use my 500bg portable USB drive all the time on the player and haven't had any problems, but I do realize "it ain't a USB stick". -- ~ Roger Taylor From aawolfe at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 20:10:54 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:10:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015181846.0541dd40@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> <9efa17da0910151100j478f8d6cx5e0deeae3997b443@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091015181846.0541dd40@coco3.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 01:00 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: >> >> Never even heard of this problem before. ?The results from Google seem >> very limited, it doesn't appear to be a rampant problem. >> >> I did run across this possible solution using regedit: >> http://pressf1.co.nz/showthread.php?t=88972 >> >> I'd just stop sticking them in your DVD player. :) > > > Exactly. > > Limited Google results? That's because nobody is calling the darn things by > the same name. ?Memory stick, usb stick, flash drive, flash stick, usb > flash, memory drive, usb drive... you get the idea. ?Some people are saying > it's a virus or worm, along with whatever they think their usb drive is > called. ?:) ?So the words you used to find posts on this subject might not > be turning up what I found. > > The regedit thing doesn't work. ?I tried that months ago. > I got interested and bit a bit of googling here :) If you look for simply "usb write-protect" you will find 1.8 million results. It seems that Windows uses "device is write-protected" to describe many different situations, this is part of the confusion. I'm sure you're already seen this Roger, but the thread found here is a good example of how many different problems will lead to this message: http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/35725/ Most people on this thread report success with one technique or another. A few report that nothing works. Most issues boil down to: 1. The user actually has toggled a write protect switch without knowing they've done it (these switches can be very tiny) 2. The usb device uses some form of software write protect, in which case the remedy involves editing the registry or special program from the manufacture 3. The partition table on the device has become corrupt, this is fixed with the HP format tool I mentioned earlier or similar programs, or by using a non Windows computer to access the device. 4. The thing is just broke. No remedy :( It is very difficult to say how many users fall into the final category, since Windows reports the same error message for a range of issues. A failed device does seem to be the minority based on the number of success stories. Not sure there is any kind of evil scheme here. Have you considered that your DVD player may itself be broken? Sending way to much voltage to the port or something like this? > > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From mdelyea at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 20:51:28 2009 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:51:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091015123737.04a2f5c0@coco3.com> <9efa17da0910151100j478f8d6cx5e0deeae3997b443@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091015181846.0541dd40@coco3.com> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80910151751t48a55d2n97e5c7cfa20f3482@mail.gmail.com> You might try gparted to repartition and reformat the drive. Bootable .iso available here: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> At 01:00 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: >>> >>> Never even heard of this problem before. ?The results from Google seem >>> very limited, it doesn't appear to be a rampant problem. >>> >>> I did run across this possible solution using regedit: >>> http://pressf1.co.nz/showthread.php?t=88972 >>> >>> I'd just stop sticking them in your DVD player. :) >> >> >> Exactly. >> >> Limited Google results? That's because nobody is calling the darn things by >> the same name. ?Memory stick, usb stick, flash drive, flash stick, usb >> flash, memory drive, usb drive... you get the idea. ?Some people are saying >> it's a virus or worm, along with whatever they think their usb drive is >> called. ?:) ?So the words you used to find posts on this subject might not >> be turning up what I found. >> >> The regedit thing doesn't work. ?I tried that months ago. >> > > I got interested and bit a bit of googling here :) > > If you look for simply "usb write-protect" you will find 1.8 million results. > > It seems that Windows uses "device is write-protected" to describe > many different situations, this is part of the confusion. > > I'm sure you're already seen this Roger, but the thread found here is > a good example of how many different problems will lead to this > message: ?http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/35725/ > Most people on this thread report success with one technique or > another. ?A few report that nothing works. > > Most issues boil down to: > > 1. The user actually has toggled a write protect switch without > knowing they've done it (these switches can be very tiny) > 2. The usb device uses some form of software write protect, in which > case the remedy involves editing the registry or special program from > the manufacture > 3. ?The partition table on the device has become corrupt, this is > fixed with the HP format tool I mentioned earlier or similar programs, > or by using a non Windows computer to access the device. > 4. ?The thing is just broke. ?No remedy :( > > It is very difficult to say how many users fall into the final > category, since ?Windows reports the same error message for a range of > issues. ?A failed device does seem to be the minority based on the > number of success stories. ?Not sure there is any kind of evil scheme > here. > > Have you considered that your DVD player may itself be broken? > Sending way to much voltage to the port or something like this? > >> >> >> -- >> ~ Roger Taylor >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From RJRTTY at aol.com Thu Oct 15 22:09:49 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:09:49 EDT Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/2009 3:22:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, msmcdoug at iinet.net.au writes: Roger Taylor wrote: >> Roy's VGA adaptor is a Must Have. >For NTSC users anyway... ;) >Regards, My converter also works with PAL video modes..... Roy From jgrabau66 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 15 17:17:22 2009 From: jgrabau66 at yahoo.com (John Grabau) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:17:22 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: <541D5970F9B04DF2B1E4DFA66C9C80ED@chuck02> Message-ID: yes... could you e-mail it to me? thanks... --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Charles Shrader" wrote: > > I have Klendathu on a disk image; would this be helpful? > > Chuck > From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Fri Oct 16 05:58:37 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:58:37 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD843CD.9030400@iinet.net.au> RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > My converter also works with PAL video modes..... It does??? I thought it only had a line buffer in there...?!? Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From RJRTTY at aol.com Fri Oct 16 10:53:51 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:53:51 EDT Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor Message-ID: In a message dated 10/16/2009 5:56:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, msmcdoug at iinet.net.au writes: RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: >> My converter also works with PAL video modes..... >It does??? I thought it only had a line buffer in there...?!? >Regards, It does but all that is internal in the AL250 scan doubler chip. It handles NTSC and PAL and my converter can use either mode.... Roy From charles.shrader at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 08:36:05 2009 From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (shraderc) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:36:05 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Klendathu.bas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I sent it - let me know if you got it. Thanks! Chuck --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "John Grabau" wrote: > > yes... could you e-mail it to me? thanks... From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Fri Oct 16 16:15:00 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:15:00 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD8D444.5020606@iinet.net.au> RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > It does but all that is internal in the AL250 scan > doubler chip. It handles NTSC and PAL and my > converter can use either mode.... Well I'm confused then. How do you get a 60Hz frame rate from a 50Hz source with only a line doubler??? Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From jorge_machin at hotmail.com Fri Oct 16 16:26:17 2009 From: jorge_machin at hotmail.com (Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:26:17 -0500 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: Home made TTL CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi: I made a video of my (educational) home built processor (CPU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zLHXqM1-gs The specifications are: - 35 ICs - 8 bits - 2K ROM - 1K RAM 1 - Acumulator (8 bits) 1- Index Register ( 4 bits ) 1- Program Counter (12 bits) 1 - Instruction register (8 bits) 1 - Data register ( 8 bits ) 2 - 4 bits ALU The ALU and the control logic are EPROM based. In the youtube video you can see it running a test program ( A simple logical left shift ): 00:0000 01 AA LD A, #AA 00:0002 84 77 SUB A, #77 00:0004 00 NOP 00:0005 02 03 LD IX, #03 00:0007 06 00 LD IX:$00,A 00:0009 80 NOT A 00:000A 31 OUT 1, A 00:000B 81 LROT A 00:000C 0B 0A JMP $0A I posted this here because there are some hardware guys here :) Jorge Machin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook updates, right from Hotmail?. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_4:092009 From RJRTTY at aol.com Sat Oct 17 00:13:39 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:13:39 EDT Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor Message-ID: In a message dated 10/16/2009 4:12:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, msmcdoug at iinet.net.au writes: RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: >> It does but all that is internal in the AL250 scan >> doubler chip. It handles NTSC and PAL and my >> converter can use either mode.... >Well I'm confused then. How do you get a 60Hz frame rate from a 50Hz source >with only a line doubler??? >Regards, I have no idea. :) I just assemble the components and they do the work. I do know that the output for the PAL mode is cleaner than for NTSC. Don't know why that happens either. Perhaps it is because the PAL signal is generated outside the GIME chip. Roy From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 17 00:32:02 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:32:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910170032.02404.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 17 October 2009, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/16/2009 4:12:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >msmcdoug at iinet.net.au writes: > >RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: >>> It does but all that is internal in the AL250 scan >>> doubler chip. It handles NTSC and PAL and my >>> converter can use either mode.... >> >>Well I'm confused then. How do you get a 60Hz frame rate from a 50Hz > >source > >>with only a line doubler??? >> >>Regards, > >I have no idea. :) I just assemble the components and >they do the work. I do know that the output for the >PAL mode is cleaner than for NTSC. Don't know >why that happens either. Perhaps it is because the >PAL signal is generated outside the GIME chip. > >Roy > Entirely possible Roy. The only 87 gime I have has extremely puny output drivers in its RGB circuitry, with rise & fall times in the 350ns area. Not to mention a visible noise level from the 14 mhz clocking on my 100mhz scope. Short of jacking up the vcc, which may blow a chip made out of pure unobtainium, I have NDI how to improve that situation. That puniness is I expect, exactly why RS had to design in some external transistor buffering stages for those 3 signals. They are in fact very good, 0 loss of rise & fall times going through the buffers, its the puny signals from the gime that are the problem. Humm, that said, I also know at one time someone posted to this list several years ago now that allowed as how they could spare about 50 of them, somebody with Williams I believe, did anyone buy up a contingency supply, like Mark? Or GCCC? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance. From jdaggett at gate.net Sat Oct 17 09:11:52 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:11:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD9C298.25338.369302@jdaggett.gate.net> On 17 Oct 2009 at 0:13, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/16/2009 4:12:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > msmcdoug at iinet.net.au writes: > RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > > >> It does but all that is internal in the AL250 scan > >> doubler chip. It handles NTSC and PAL and my > >> converter can use either mode.... > > >Well I'm confused then. How do you get a 60Hz frame rate from a 50Hz > source > >with only a line doubler??? > > >Regards, > > > I have no idea. :) I just assemble the components and > they do the work. I do know that the output for the > PAL mode is cleaner than for NTSC. Don't know > why that happens either. Perhaps it is because the > PAL signal is generated outside the GIME chip. > > Roy > Roy Does you scan doubler use the PAL composite output or the PAL RGB outputs from the PAL Coco3? If the composite output from the PAL Coco3s were used then that would explain why there is a difference. For one, better filtering in the output. The RGB output buffers are same for PAL and NTSC versions. james From farna at att.net Sat Oct 17 09:48:24 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:48:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] off-topic: USB drives scam? Message-ID: <4AD9CB28.9000507@att.net> >From what I read it's not a computer issue, but a DVD or USB stick issue. Computer to computer doesn't seem to be a problem, but some other devices are writing to the drives and permanently locking them. Since this happens with some sticks but not others, it's likely the software (or firm ware) in the stick at fault. It responds to a generic (or common) lock command, but not a generic unlock. Just mark those sticks for computer use only -- once (if?) you get them unlocked. The first popular memory cards was the thin flat Smart Media card (SMC). These had the same problem -- write to them with the computer, and cameras would no longer recognize the card and it couldn't be formatted. It could be used on the computer, however -- the camera just wouldn't recognize it. To use it in a camera all you could do is read from a computer. ANY write operation, even a delete, would make the SMC useless in the camera. The first SMCs came with a utility to format them on the computer, but for some reason the utilities disappeared. There are a couple on the 'net, but they don't work well. I had to send two cards I had off to a fellow who advertised fixing the cards for a small fee -- apparently he had the early utility or the know-how to unlock the cards. Seems like this reported USB stick problem is similar. Roger Taylor wrote: >The problem is that a *LOT* of USB Flash drives are randomly becoming Write > Protected, and there seems to be no way to recover that I'm aware of. ?I've > looked and looked. > > Here's just one blurbs page showing the common problem: > http://www.fixya.com/search/p454525-sandisk_1gb_cruzer_titanium_usb_flash/write_protected > > I've got about 4 brands here (some were $40 or more) and all of them became > write protected or locked out when I inserted them in my home DVD player > that has a USB port on the front. ?Now the player can't access the sticks, > nor any Windows system I have. ?They all report only 8MB of space and can't > format using any tool. > -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From jdaggett at gate.net Sat Oct 17 10:58:34 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:58:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <200910170032.02404.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: , <200910170032.02404.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4AD9DB9A.4755.98460E@jdaggett.gate.net> On 17 Oct 2009 at 0:32, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 17 October 2009, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 10/16/2009 4:12:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > >msmcdoug at iinet.net.au writes: > > > >RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > >>> It does but all that is internal in the AL250 scan > >>> doubler chip. It handles NTSC and PAL and my > >>> converter can use either mode.... > >> > >>Well I'm confused then. How do you get a 60Hz frame rate from a 50Hz > > > >source > > > >>with only a line doubler??? > >> > >>Regards, > > > >I have no idea. :) I just assemble the components and > >they do the work. I do know that the output for the > >PAL mode is cleaner than for NTSC. Don't know > >why that happens either. Perhaps it is because the > >PAL signal is generated outside the GIME chip. > > > >Roy > > > Entirely possible Roy. The only 87 gime I have has extremely puny output > drivers in its RGB circuitry, with rise & fall times in the 350ns area. Not > to mention a visible noise level from the 14 mhz clocking on my 100mhz scope. > Short of jacking up the vcc, which may blow a chip made out of pure > unobtainium, I have NDI how to improve that situation. That puniness is I > expect, exactly why RS had to design in some external transistor buffering > stages for those 3 signals. They are in fact very good, 0 loss of rise & > fall times going through the buffers, its the puny signals from the gime that > are the problem. > > Humm, that said, I also know at one time someone posted to this list several > years ago now that allowed as how they could spare about 50 of them, somebody > with Williams I believe, did anyone buy up a contingency supply, like Mark? > Or GCCC? > > -- > Cheers, Gene Gene The puniness that you so claim may very well have been a major tradeoff that Tandy had to make during the design of the GIME chip. The RGB outputs would have had to have sufficient current to drive the monitor's impedance of 75 Ohms. That would have more than likely required the output to source in the neighborhood of 25 mA as compared to the 1 to 2 mA based on the schematics and the 2SC945s the chip is driving. Incorpating the large NPNs or even larger Lateral PNP transistors in the output would definitely increase area and cost. Rise times are effected by load capacitance and source current capabilities of the output stage driving that capacitive laod. Fall times are affected by the sink current capabilities of the dirver stage and the load capacitance. PCB runners can affect this also. The output stage of an IC is designed to source a stated current into a maximum capacitive load. Exceed that load capacitance and rise time extends. Simple C dv/dt. The output stage of of an IC is fed by a current source that can deliver only so much current. Fix the current drive and increase the load capacitance and rise time will suffer. Another thing to consider is that ICs specifications vary across the wafer. An IC in the middle of the wafer may have more current drive capability than that of one at the edge of the wafer. There are several reasons for this and are really beyond the scope of this reply. Lets just say that IC fabrication is not as consistant as one may think, espescially during the mid 80's. With 4 inch wafers and 1 to 3 micron processes, by today's standard those were the barbarian days. If you saw the design process from concept to final product for an IC from the 70s and early 80's you would be amazed. The yards of wirewrap on the masive breadboards fefore one even committed to silicon was scary. Thank GOD for HDL and computers to simulate the design prior to silicon committal. Faster design cycle today than just 20 yrs ago. Now an IC can go from concept to final product in less than 6 months. 25 yrs ago it took between 18 and 24 months. james From RJRTTY at aol.com Sat Oct 17 11:01:41 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:01:41 EDT Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2009 9:12:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jdaggett at gate.net writes: >Roy >Does you scan doubler use the PAL composite output or the PAL RGB outputs >from the PAL Coco3? If the composite output from the PAL Coco3s were used >then that would explain why there is a difference. For one, better filtering in the >output. The RGB output buffers are same for PAL and NTSC versions. >james My converter uses the PAL RGB outputs. But those signals are generated outside the GIME. The composite pin of the GIME isn't even connected to anything in the PAL machines. Roy From jdaggett at gate.net Sat Oct 17 13:43:39 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ADA024B.29650.85397@jdaggett.gate.net> Roy Unless I a have an incorrect schematic for the service manual, the PAL encoder board only take the RGB signals in and composite sync from Q11. The output of the the PAL encoder board is PAL composite signal. RGB outputs are the same as the NTSC version. james On 17 Oct 2009 at 11:01, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/17/2009 9:12:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jdaggett at gate.net writes: > > > >Roy > > >Does you scan doubler use the PAL composite output or the PAL RGB outputs > >from the PAL Coco3? If the composite output from the PAL Coco3s were used > >then that would explain why there is a difference. For one, better > filtering in the > >output. The RGB output buffers are same for PAL and NTSC versions. > > >james > > > My converter uses the PAL RGB outputs. But those signals > are generated outside the GIME. The composite pin of the > GIME isn't even connected to anything in the PAL machines. > > Roy > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From Torsten at Dittel.info Sat Oct 17 13:56:01 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:56:01 +0200 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <4ADA024B.29650.85397@jdaggett.gate.net> References: <4ADA024B.29650.85397@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: jdaggett at gate.net schrieb: >[...] RGB outputs are the same as the NTSC version. That is true. Differences are in the GIME timing only (a software thing). Australian PAL CoCos have a modified BASIC ROM initializing the GIME to 50Hz (not sure about the # of scan lines). From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Sat Oct 17 21:38:20 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:20 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ADA718C.7080109@iinet.net.au> RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > I have no idea. :) I just assemble the components and > they do the work. I fail to see then how, without a frame buffer, you can display a 50Hz PAL output on a VGA monitor that syncs at 60Hz. I'm sure it won't. FWIW I have an old COMPAQ SVGA monitor that _will_ sync at 50Hz. But it's not common. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Oct 18 10:34:40 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:34:40 +0200 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <4ADA718C.7080109@iinet.net.au> References: <4ADA718C.7080109@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: one reason for better PAL conversion quality might be: the ADC which is digitizing the RGB channels (to provide them to the AverLogic (AL25x) converter) works somehow better with the lower PAL frequencies. Maybe NTSC behaviour could be improved by another external (analog) circuit regarding the impedance matching (which might make the PAL quality worse, so I'm not really interested in that change, LOL) From jdaggett at gate.net Sun Oct 18 17:18:14 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: , <4ADA718C.7080109@iinet.net.au>, Message-ID: <4ADB8616.8886.9BD1D4@jdaggett.gate.net> Torsten I am not so sure of any mismatch in the output of the GIME chip or the buffers in the COCO3. If Roy's circuit is taking the RGB signals from the COCO3 then the only part of the PAL/NTSC debate is the horizontal and vertical sync frequencies. Still that is a marginal issue in my opinion. As that sets the number of pixels (for lack of a better term) per line. PAL doubled HSYNC rate will still be slightly lower than that of doubled NTSC. I am not so sure that is a liability though. just some thoughts that may or maynot be worth the virtual paper in which it is written on. james On 18 Oct 2009 at 16:34, Torsten Dittel wrote: > one reason for better PAL conversion quality might be: the ADC which is > digitizing the RGB channels (to provide them to the AverLogic (AL25x) > converter) works somehow better with the lower PAL frequencies. Maybe > NTSC behaviour could be improved by another external (analog) circuit > regarding the impedance matching (which might make the PAL quality > worse, so I'm not really interested in that change, LOL) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From RJRTTY at aol.com Sun Oct 18 20:44:29 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:44:29 EDT Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2009 10:35:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Torsten at Dittel.info writes: >one reason for better PAL conversion quality might be: the ADC which is >digitizing the RGB channels (to provide them to the AverLogic (AL25x) >converter) works somehow better with the lower PAL frequencies. Maybe >NTSC behaviour could be improved by another external (analog) circuit >regarding the impedance matching (which might make the PAL quality >worse, so I'm not really interested in that change, LOL) I doubt it. The bandwidth of the AL875 ADC is 100 mhz Roy From jdaggett at gate.net Sun Oct 18 22:38:11 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:38:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ADBD113.15490.1C0BAA2@jdaggett.gate.net> On 18 Oct 2009 at 20:44, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/18/2009 10:35:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Torsten at Dittel.info writes: > > > >one reason for better PAL conversion quality might be: the ADC which is > >digitizing the RGB channels (to provide them to the AverLogic (AL25x) > >converter) works somehow better with the lower PAL frequencies. Maybe > >NTSC behaviour could be improved by another external (analog) circuit > >regarding the impedance matching (which might make the PAL quality > >worse, so I'm not really interested in that change, LOL) > > > I doubt it. The bandwidth of the AL875 ADC is 100 mhz > > Roy > Roy I concurr with that assesment. I am not all that up to speed as to exactly what the issue is between the two outputs. Though color space conversion can be a finiky thing. Visual acuity and perception of color varies from person to person and also with monitors. Adding in also the variation of COCO3s probably does not help matters either. james From theother_bob at yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 11:51:50 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <4ADA718C.7080109@iinet.net.au> References: <4ADA718C.7080109@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <476834.94223.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's the AL-250 chip. Look up the datasheet. It's not just a line-doubler, it handles the PAL to VGA conversion just like it handles the RGB to VGA. Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark McDougall To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:38:20 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] SVGA monitor RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > I have no idea. :) I just assemble the components and > they do the work. I fail to see then how, without a frame buffer, you can display a 50Hz PAL output on a VGA monitor that syncs at 60Hz. I'm sure it won't. FWIW I have an old COMPAQ SVGA monitor that _will_ sync at 50Hz. But it's not common. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 19 18:54:18 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:54:18 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: <476834.94223.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4ADA718C.7080109@iinet.net.au> <476834.94223.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4ADCEE1A.6080005@iinet.net.au> theother_bob wrote: > It's the AL-250 chip. Look up the datasheet. It's not just a > line-doubler, it handles the PAL to VGA conversion just like it handles > the RGB to VGA. Thanks for the link. But the way I read it, it _is_ just a scan doubler, and does _not_ do frame-rate conversion. Page 12 clearly indicates output timing for a PAL input signal is 50Hz vertical refresh. Frame-rate conversion requires a triple-frame buffer, which in turn requires quite a decent amount of (fast/dual-port) memory. FWIW, the reason I am so interested is that my colleague and I are currently designing a video converter box aimed at retro enthusiasts with a wide collection of 8/16-bit micros. The idea is that it will accept _any_ video input and produce VGA/DVI output, with frame-rate conversion, user-defined clipping and up-scale conversion. Only trouble is - it will be _expensive_, perhaps not even commercially viable. But since we have 75% of the design in an existing product, it's not a lot of (extra) work and we'll at least do a small prototype run for ourselves... and then we can gauge interest of anyone as crazy as we are! ;) Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 21 00:27:36 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:27:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> Well folks, tonight I have the CoCo's first Micro SD pak. This is the same wireless pak model but with a different module plugged into the header. I just DSKINI'ed DRIVE 0 and saved 2 BASIC programs, typed DIR, and there they are. In case you have never seen how small a Micro SD card is... it's about the size of your pinky finger nail. The module it slides into is also small and plugs into the Serial Pak's header but needs an adaptor to match the pins. Imagine hundreds of floppies, thousands of games and programs, and a full NitrOS-9 system instantly on power-up. This is a serial-based virtual floppy system (CoCoNet) which works much like DriveWire, only there are no wires and the virtual drives are right there in the pak on that little memory card. I'm using a 2gig card for my tests. The catch? The CoCo talks to the module @ 115200 bps over the 6551, so there will be some hard-coded Disk BASIC programs that require a real floppy controller and obviously won't work with a virtual drive system, but most programs DO run just fine. I'm still fiddling with how to parition a card to share between Disk BASIC, OS-9/NitrOS-9 and whatever else. 2 gigs is an enormous amount of space for a CoCo system, so even if I have to use 1/2 of the card's 512-byte sectors, we're still good, although I don't want to waste any space like that. In case you didn't read right... imagine a little game-pak sized cartridge with virtually everything for the CoCo on it! This will be the case when the pak is finished. The EPROM "firmware" is a patched copy of Disk BASIC. It needs further tweaking to allow a mix of Drive Pak, Wireless Pak (either or both) without conflict, in a plug-and-play fashion. The CoCo will detect which pak(s) are inserted and communicate with the right module or PC server using the same protocol while allowing serial communications as well. Take a Serial Pak and plug what you want in the header, a bluetooth module or Micro SD module, and the pak should "work" as you expect using the same EPROM with no configuration. Existing Wireless Pak users could swap out their bluetooth module with this Micro SD module and pop in the CoCoNet EPROM and be ready, or keep the wireless pak and insert a drive pak, but the paks need their own address, so the code has to detect which addresses/paks are present and automatically set things up when you turn the CoCo on. As for NitrOS-9... I already have this booting over CoCoNet wirelessly so I'll just replace the protocol so that either a PC server or the MicroSD module will work the same... read and write sectors. I do need to send off for a run of small header adaptors so the module will fit the Serial Pak. The header just matches a 1x5 header to 2x6 header, so it's going to be a tiny board with 90-degree headers on either end and some traces between some of the pins. In my test I use a breadboard with 4 wires run to it from the Serial Pak header. Ground, Tx, Rx, VCC. That's it. -- ~ Roger Taylor From dml_68 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 21 09:25:22 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> Message-ID: <157012.91270.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Finally! I have seen the same thing for the Atari ST, Apple 2 and Commodore 64 and was hoping the Coco would follow with a similar system soon. What kind of price point are you thinking of asking for this and is there a semi set release date? ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Roger Taylor wrote: From: Roger Taylor Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 9:27 PM Well folks, tonight I have the CoCo's first Micro SD pak.? ? This is the same wireless pak model but with a different module plugged into the header.? I just DSKINI'ed DRIVE 0 and saved 2 BASIC programs, typed DIR, and there they are. In case you have never seen how small a Micro SD card is... it's about the size of your pinky finger nail.? The module it slides into is also small and plugs into the Serial Pak's header but needs an adaptor to match the pins.? Imagine hundreds of floppies, thousands of games and programs, and a full NitrOS-9 system instantly on power-up. This is a serial-based virtual floppy system (CoCoNet) which works much like DriveWire, only there are no wires and the virtual drives are right there in the pak on that little memory card.? I'm using a 2gig card for my tests. The catch?? The CoCo talks to the module @ 115200 bps over the 6551, so there will be some hard-coded Disk BASIC programs that require a real floppy controller and obviously won't work with a virtual drive system, but most programs DO run just fine. I'm still fiddling with how to parition a card to share between Disk BASIC, OS-9/NitrOS-9 and whatever else.? 2 gigs is an enormous amount of space for a CoCo system, so even if I have to use 1/2 of the card's 512-byte sectors, we're still good, although I don't want to waste any space like that. In case you didn't read right... imagine a little game-pak sized cartridge with virtually everything for the CoCo on it!? This will be the case when the pak is finished. The EPROM "firmware" is a patched copy of Disk BASIC.? It needs further tweaking to allow a mix of Drive Pak, Wireless Pak (either or both) without conflict, in a plug-and-play fashion. The CoCo will detect which pak(s) are inserted and communicate with the right module or PC server using the same protocol while allowing serial communications as well.? Take a Serial Pak and plug what you want in the header, a bluetooth module or Micro SD module, and the pak should "work" as you expect using the same EPROM with no configuration. Existing Wireless Pak users could swap out their bluetooth module with this Micro SD module and pop in the CoCoNet EPROM and be ready, or keep the wireless pak and insert a drive pak, but the paks need their own address, so the code has to detect which addresses/paks are present and automatically set things up when you turn the CoCo on. As for NitrOS-9... I already have this booting over CoCoNet wirelessly so I'll just replace the protocol so that either a PC server or the MicroSD module will work the same... read and write sectors. I do need to send off for a run of small header adaptors so the module will fit the Serial Pak.? The header just matches a 1x5 header to 2x6 header, so it's going to be a tiny board with 90-degree headers on either end and some traces between some of the pins.? In my test I use a breadboard with 4 wires run to it from the Serial Pak header.? Ground, Tx, Rx, VCC.? That's it. -- ~ Roger Taylor -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From badfrog at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 10:57:20 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:57:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0910210757m5265244cia890438854646a84@mail.gmail.com> Ok, put me on the list for "definitely purchasing" when available! On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > > Well folks, tonight I have the CoCo's first Micro SD pak. ? ?This is the > same wireless pak model but with a different module plugged into the header. > ?I just DSKINI'ed DRIVE 0 and saved 2 BASIC programs, typed DIR, and there > they are. > > In case you have never seen how small a Micro SD card is... it's about the > size of your pinky finger nail. ?The module it slides into is also small and > plugs into the Serial Pak's header but needs an adaptor to match the pins. > ?Imagine hundreds of floppies, thousands of games and programs, and a full > NitrOS-9 system instantly on power-up. > > This is a serial-based virtual floppy system (CoCoNet) which works much like > DriveWire, only there are no wires and the virtual drives are right there in > the pak on that little memory card. ?I'm using a 2gig card for my tests. > > The catch? ?The CoCo talks to the module @ 115200 bps over the 6551, so > there will be some hard-coded Disk BASIC programs that require a real floppy > controller and obviously won't work with a virtual drive system, but most > programs DO run just fine. > > I'm still fiddling with how to parition a card to share between Disk BASIC, > OS-9/NitrOS-9 and whatever else. ?2 gigs is an enormous amount of space for > a CoCo system, so even if I have to use 1/2 of the card's 512-byte sectors, > we're still good, although I don't want to waste any space like that. > > In case you didn't read right... imagine a little game-pak sized cartridge > with virtually everything for the CoCo on it! ?This will be the case when > the pak is finished. > > The EPROM "firmware" is a patched copy of Disk BASIC. ?It needs further > tweaking to allow a mix of Drive Pak, Wireless Pak (either or both) without > conflict, in a plug-and-play fashion. The CoCo will detect which pak(s) are > inserted and communicate with the right module or PC server using the same > protocol while allowing serial communications as well. ?Take a Serial Pak > and plug what you want in the header, a bluetooth module or Micro SD module, > and the pak should "work" as you expect using the same EPROM with no > configuration. > > Existing Wireless Pak users could swap out their bluetooth module with this > Micro SD module and pop in the CoCoNet EPROM and be ready, or keep the > wireless pak and insert a drive pak, but the paks need their own address, so > the code has to detect which addresses/paks are present and automatically > set things up when you turn the CoCo on. > > As for NitrOS-9... I already have this booting over CoCoNet wirelessly so > I'll just replace the protocol so that either a PC server or the MicroSD > module will work the same... read and write sectors. > > I do need to send off for a run of small header adaptors so the module will > fit the Serial Pak. ?The header just matches a 1x5 header to 2x6 header, so > it's going to be a tiny board with 90-degree headers on either end and some > traces between some of the pins. ?In my test I use a breadboard with 4 wires > run to it from the Serial Pak header. ?Ground, Tx, Rx, VCC. ?That's it. > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 21 13:08:24 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:08:24 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <157012.91270.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> <157012.91270.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091021110330.061ca468@coco3.com> At 08:25 AM 10/21/2009, you wrote: >Finally! I have seen the same thing for the Atari ST, Apple 2 and >Commodore 64 and was hoping the Coco would follow with a similar system soon. > >What kind of price point are you thinking of asking for this and is >there a semi set release date? The release date and price for the disk/drive pak will mainly depend on a handful of preorders to get me started better. That's a guarantee that I will have enough parts on hand to produce orders quicker instead of sending off for parts per order and too frequently which puts me in a bind. I also whipped up a tiny adaptor board in ExpressPCB which I can repeat in a grid fashion on a 3.8" x 2.5" board that they make for a special price (3 for $51). I need to send off for those boards and of course find the 90-degree male and female headers (1x5 and 1x6) to solder in. That's the tiny adaptor that must go between the drive module and the serial pak header. I just connects the right pins together and adds a few resistors to pull up the TX and RX lines to 5v in case of float since the module has an autobaud detector (which is nice). This will still take up less space than the EB301 wireless module. Too many other details probably won't matter much at this time. The pak will just WORK right out of the box. Any support files or demos will actually be on the pak itself and you can get to them simply by typing "DIR" or "DOS" to boot into NitrOS-9. :) Anything else would be overselling the idea. I think it speaks for itself. I'm watching the tiny LED on the drive module right now and it looks like a Strobe Light as I read every sector on DRIVE 0. The CoCo is at 2mhz. Even at 1mhz, it's still way faster than a real floppy system. When I'm done I should have it where one could plug in a wireless pak and a drive pak and just load up their card from their PC over the air, but we'll still be able to image the card on the PC (backup, add/remove virtual drives, etc.) regardless. -- ~ Roger Taylor From badfrog at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 15:53:52 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:53:52 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091021110330.061ca468@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> <157012.91270.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091021110330.061ca468@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0910211253n1ec9eac5v7cf48c61e4d840d8@mail.gmail.com> Let me know how to preorder. :) On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 08:25 AM 10/21/2009, you wrote: >> >> Finally! I have seen the same thing for the Atari ST, Apple 2 and >> Commodore 64 and was hoping the Coco would follow with a similar system >> soon. >> >> What kind of price point are you thinking of asking for this and is there >> a semi set release date? > > > The release date and price for the disk/drive pak will mainly depend on a > handful of preorders to get me started better. ?That's a guarantee that I > will have enough parts on hand to produce orders quicker instead of sending > off for parts per order and too frequently which puts me in a bind. > > I also whipped up a tiny adaptor board in ExpressPCB which I can repeat in a > grid fashion on a 3.8" x 2.5" board that they make for a special price (3 > for $51). ?I need to send off for those boards and of course find the > 90-degree male and female headers (1x5 and 1x6) to solder in. ?That's the > tiny adaptor that must go between the drive module and the serial pak > header. ?I just connects the right pins together and adds a few resistors to > pull up the TX and RX lines to 5v in case of float since the module has an > autobaud detector (which is nice). ?This will still take up less space than > the EB301 wireless module. > > Too many other details probably won't matter much at this time. ?The pak > will just WORK right out of the box. ?Any support files or demos will > actually be on the pak itself and you can get to them simply by typing "DIR" > or "DOS" to boot into NitrOS-9. ?:) ?Anything else would be overselling the > idea. ?I think it speaks for itself. > > I'm watching the tiny LED on the drive module right now and it looks like a > Strobe Light as I read every sector on DRIVE 0. ?The CoCo is at 2mhz. ?Even > at 1mhz, it's still way faster than a real floppy system. > > When I'm done I should have it where one could plug in a wireless pak and a > drive pak and just load up their card from their PC over the air, but we'll > still be able to image the card on the PC (backup, add/remove virtual > drives, etc.) regardless. > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From ed.orbea at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 20:17:04 2009 From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo Message-ID: <4ADFA480.20507@gmail.com> Roger: Add me to the list for your SD pack. I'm already drooling. You should already have my email info from previous CoCo3.com orders. Ed.Orbea From jcewy at swbell.net Wed Oct 21 22:02:16 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:02:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4ADFBD28.2090608@swbell.net> This is very cool, Roger. To make it super ultimate cool, one would use a CPLD or something like that to mimic the register set of the FDC, and have the CPLD (maybe would need the help of a little PIC) communicate with the flash memory. This would be a true replacement for the floppy drive, and would work with all software. Just a thought... JCE Roger Taylor wrote: > > Well folks, tonight I have the CoCo's first Micro SD pak. This is > the same wireless pak model but with a different module plugged into > the header. I just DSKINI'ed DRIVE 0 and saved 2 BASIC programs, > typed DIR, and there they are. > > In case you have never seen how small a Micro SD card is... it's about > the size of your pinky finger nail. The module it slides into is also > small and plugs into the Serial Pak's header but needs an adaptor to > match the pins. Imagine hundreds of floppies, thousands of games and > programs, and a full NitrOS-9 system instantly on power-up. > > This is a serial-based virtual floppy system (CoCoNet) which works > much like DriveWire, only there are no wires and the virtual drives > are right there in the pak on that little memory card. I'm using a > 2gig card for my tests. > > The catch? The CoCo talks to the module @ 115200 bps over the 6551, > so there will be some hard-coded Disk BASIC programs that require a > real floppy controller and obviously won't work with a virtual drive > system, but most programs DO run just fine. > > I'm still fiddling with how to parition a card to share between Disk > BASIC, OS-9/NitrOS-9 and whatever else. 2 gigs is an enormous amount > of space for a CoCo system, so even if I have to use 1/2 of the card's > 512-byte sectors, we're still good, although I don't want to waste any > space like that. > > In case you didn't read right... imagine a little game-pak sized > cartridge with virtually everything for the CoCo on it! This will be > the case when the pak is finished. > > The EPROM "firmware" is a patched copy of Disk BASIC. It needs > further tweaking to allow a mix of Drive Pak, Wireless Pak (either or > both) without conflict, in a plug-and-play fashion. The CoCo will > detect which pak(s) are inserted and communicate with the right module > or PC server using the same protocol while allowing serial > communications as well. Take a Serial Pak and plug what you want in > the header, a bluetooth module or Micro SD module, and the pak should > "work" as you expect using the same EPROM with no configuration. > > Existing Wireless Pak users could swap out their bluetooth module with > this Micro SD module and pop in the CoCoNet EPROM and be ready, or > keep the wireless pak and insert a drive pak, but the paks need their > own address, so the code has to detect which addresses/paks are > present and automatically set things up when you turn the CoCo on. > > As for NitrOS-9... I already have this booting over CoCoNet wirelessly > so I'll just replace the protocol so that either a PC server or the > MicroSD module will work the same... read and write sectors. > > I do need to send off for a run of small header adaptors so the module > will fit the Serial Pak. The header just matches a 1x5 header to 2x6 > header, so it's going to be a tiny board with 90-degree headers on > either end and some traces between some of the pins. In my test I use > a breadboard with 4 wires run to it from the Serial Pak header. > Ground, Tx, Rx, VCC. That's it. From operator at coco3.com Wed Oct 21 23:11:44 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:11:44 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <4ADFBD28.2090608@swbell.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> <4ADFBD28.2090608@swbell.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091021220500.062efac8@coco3.com> At 09:02 PM 10/21/2009, you wrote: >This is very cool, Roger. To make it super ultimate cool, one would >use a CPLD or something like that to mimic the register set of the >FDC, and have the CPLD (maybe would need the help of a little PIC) >communicate with the flash memory. This would be a true replacement >for the floppy drive, and would work with all software. > >Just a thought... > >JCE I remember talking about that idea earlier this year with Darren. -- ~ Roger Taylor From aawolfe at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 23:19:46 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:19:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091021110330.061ca468@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> <157012.91270.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20091021110330.061ca468@coco3.com> Message-ID: Consider me interested, possibly for 2 depending on price. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 08:25 AM 10/21/2009, you wrote: >> >> Finally! I have seen the same thing for the Atari ST, Apple 2 and >> Commodore 64 and was hoping the Coco would follow with a similar system >> soon. >> >> What kind of price point are you thinking of asking for this and is there >> a semi set release date? > > > The release date and price for the disk/drive pak will mainly depend on a > handful of preorders to get me started better. ?That's a guarantee that I > will have enough parts on hand to produce orders quicker instead of sending > off for parts per order and too frequently which puts me in a bind. > > I also whipped up a tiny adaptor board in ExpressPCB which I can repeat in a > grid fashion on a 3.8" x 2.5" board that they make for a special price (3 > for $51). ?I need to send off for those boards and of course find the > 90-degree male and female headers (1x5 and 1x6) to solder in. ?That's the > tiny adaptor that must go between the drive module and the serial pak > header. ?I just connects the right pins together and adds a few resistors to > pull up the TX and RX lines to 5v in case of float since the module has an > autobaud detector (which is nice). ?This will still take up less space than > the EB301 wireless module. > > Too many other details probably won't matter much at this time. ?The pak > will just WORK right out of the box. ?Any support files or demos will > actually be on the pak itself and you can get to them simply by typing "DIR" > or "DOS" to boot into NitrOS-9. ?:) ?Anything else would be overselling the > idea. ?I think it speaks for itself. > > I'm watching the tiny LED on the drive module right now and it looks like a > Strobe Light as I read every sector on DRIVE 0. ?The CoCo is at 2mhz. ?Even > at 1mhz, it's still way faster than a real floppy system. > > When I'm done I should have it where one could plug in a wireless pak and a > drive pak and just load up their card from their PC over the air, but we'll > still be able to image the card on the PC (backup, add/remove virtual > drives, etc.) regardless. > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Oct 22 00:40:59 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:40:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <4ADFBD28.2090608@swbell.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20091020230500.060a0090@coco3.com> <4ADFBD28.2090608@swbell.net> Message-ID: I started some preliminary work on that front. The Propeller P8X32 is what I was designing around- it has multiple independent cores that run up to 80Mhz- it's more than capable of emulating the WD1773, 6551, MultiPak, etc. Combine it with the flash card reader and it could be a 100% compatible solution. With work kicking my ass as of late, chances of me finishing it are slim, but someone else may want to investigate it as an option: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax_Propeller And if you make something with it, I'll buy it. :) -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Joel Ewy > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:02 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo > > This is very cool, Roger. To make it super ultimate cool, one would > use > a CPLD or something like that to mimic the register set of the FDC, and > have the CPLD (maybe would need the help of a little PIC) communicate > with the flash memory. This would be a true replacement for the floppy > drive, and would work with all software. > > Just a thought... > > JCE > > Roger Taylor wrote: > > > > Well folks, tonight I have the CoCo's first Micro SD pak. This is > > the same wireless pak model but with a different module plugged into > > the header. I just DSKINI'ed DRIVE 0 and saved 2 BASIC programs, > > typed DIR, and there they are. > > > > In case you have never seen how small a Micro SD card is... it's > about > > the size of your pinky finger nail. The module it slides into is > also > > small and plugs into the Serial Pak's header but needs an adaptor to > > match the pins. Imagine hundreds of floppies, thousands of games and > > programs, and a full NitrOS-9 system instantly on power-up. > > > > This is a serial-based virtual floppy system (CoCoNet) which works > > much like DriveWire, only there are no wires and the virtual drives > > are right there in the pak on that little memory card. I'm using a > > 2gig card for my tests. > > > > The catch? The CoCo talks to the module @ 115200 bps over the 6551, > > so there will be some hard-coded Disk BASIC programs that require a > > real floppy controller and obviously won't work with a virtual drive > > system, but most programs DO run just fine. > > > > I'm still fiddling with how to parition a card to share between Disk > > BASIC, OS-9/NitrOS-9 and whatever else. 2 gigs is an enormous amount > > of space for a CoCo system, so even if I have to use 1/2 of the > card's > > 512-byte sectors, we're still good, although I don't want to waste > any > > space like that. > > > > In case you didn't read right... imagine a little game-pak sized > > cartridge with virtually everything for the CoCo on it! This will be > > the case when the pak is finished. > > > > The EPROM "firmware" is a patched copy of Disk BASIC. It needs > > further tweaking to allow a mix of Drive Pak, Wireless Pak (either or > > both) without conflict, in a plug-and-play fashion. The CoCo will > > detect which pak(s) are inserted and communicate with the right > module > > or PC server using the same protocol while allowing serial > > communications as well. Take a Serial Pak and plug what you want in > > the header, a bluetooth module or Micro SD module, and the pak should > > "work" as you expect using the same EPROM with no configuration. > > > > Existing Wireless Pak users could swap out their bluetooth module > with > > this Micro SD module and pop in the CoCoNet EPROM and be ready, or > > keep the wireless pak and insert a drive pak, but the paks need their > > own address, so the code has to detect which addresses/paks are > > present and automatically set things up when you turn the CoCo on. > > > > As for NitrOS-9... I already have this booting over CoCoNet > wirelessly > > so I'll just replace the protocol so that either a PC server or the > > MicroSD module will work the same... read and write sectors. > > > > I do need to send off for a run of small header adaptors so the > module > > will fit the Serial Pak. The header just matches a 1x5 header to 2x6 > > header, so it's going to be a tiny board with 90-degree headers on > > either end and some traces between some of the pins. In my test I > use > > a breadboard with 4 wires run to it from the Serial Pak header. > > Ground, Tx, Rx, VCC. That's it. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From farna at att.net Thu Oct 22 10:43:34 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:43:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo Message-ID: <4AE06F96.7080002@att.net> I'm not sure I really see the point of making a card OS-9/DECB accessible. There might be a lot of wasted space, but the cards are cheap enough that one for each shouldn't be a problem. SD or Micro SD really doesn't matter. The smaller cards are even cheaper now -- if you can find them! a 512MB card would be great for DECB, a 1-2GB better for OS-9. No hard drive at all, just a card! I would think that any program that does disk access through the DECB ROM should work. As I'm sitting here thinking though, I do recall that some of the copy protection schemes (and maybe a couple programs) by-pass the ROM and directly access the disk controller. Those would be a problem. ---------- Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:27:36 -0500 From: Roger Taylor Well folks, tonight I have the CoCo's first Micro SD pak. This is the same wireless pak model but with a different module plugged into the header. I just DSKINI'ed DRIVE 0 and saved 2 BASIC programs, typed DIR, and there they are. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 22 11:37:54 2009 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS9/NitrOS9 experience Message-ID: <4AE07C52.3030009@sbcglobal.net> I got a new job which started back on Oct 1, 2009. It is IT support for a Healthcare Company. They have contracts all over the world. A lot of the work is logging onto Linux servers, installing programs, fixing files, and etc. I just dawned on me how much my old OS9/NitrOS9 experience is now coming to play in what I am doing for my new company. Since UNIX/OS9/Linux share a lot of common tools, I am sure my OS9 experience IS really helping. John Donaldson -- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Oct 22 12:11:04 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:11:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS9/NitrOS9 experience In-Reply-To: <4AE07C52.3030009@sbcglobal.net> References: <4AE07C52.3030009@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200910221211.04398.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 22 October 2009, John Donaldson wrote: >I got a new job which started back on Oct 1, 2009. It is IT support for >a Healthcare Company. They have contracts all over the world. A lot of >the work is logging onto Linux servers, installing programs, fixing >files, and etc. I just dawned on me how much my old OS9/NitrOS9 >experience is now coming to play in what I am doing for my new company. >Since UNIX/OS9/Linux share a lot of common tools, I am sure my OS9 >experience IS really helping. > >John Donaldson > I've always described os9 as a unix without all the security trappings. Like you, I have found my os9 experience to have been very helpful with linux. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. For every credibility gap, there is a gullibility fill. -- R. Clopton From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 22 13:09:06 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:09:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS9/NitrOS9 experience In-Reply-To: <4AE07C52.3030009@sbcglobal.net> References: <4AE07C52.3030009@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4AE091B2.5050007@embarqmail.com> John Donaldson wrote: > I got a new job which started back on Oct 1, 2009. It is IT support for I have to agree with both of you. In fact OS9 is still ingrained in my head that about half the time I type 'chd' instead of 'cd'. -- I'm a vulgar old cuss, I fought for every bit of filthy dirt on me, don't expect me to sparkle. From operator at coco3.com Thu Oct 22 13:37:48 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:37:48 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <4AE06F96.7080002@att.net> References: <4AE06F96.7080002@att.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20091022121323.05b99540@coco3.com> At 09:43 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote: >I'm not sure I really see the point of making a card OS-9/DECB >accessible. There might be a lot of wasted space, but the cards are >cheap enough that one for each shouldn't be a problem. SD or Micro >SD really doesn't matter. The smaller cards are even cheaper now -- >if you can find them! a 512MB card would be great for DECB, a 1-2GB >better for OS-9. No hard drive at all, just a card! The cards are extremely large for a CoCo and we can easily store thousands of floppies and multiple builds of OS-9/NitrOS-9 with no worries, with years of space to spare. Of course, there's nothing stopping somebody from using multiple cards to have even more options. -- ~ Roger Taylor From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Oct 22 23:37:26 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:37:26 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 security Message-ID: <20091023033726.GA21194@virgo.sdc.org> OS-9 has (at least the potential) to be a fairly secure multi-user system. It's just that everybody just runs as user 0, AKA root. Can't really blame Tandy for skipping the whole "Federal Government doesn't like ecryption" thing by not including a password program, even if it does render the tsmon/login system kind of silly. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From badfrog at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 00:10:22 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:10:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 security In-Reply-To: <20091023033726.GA21194@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20091023033726.GA21194@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <9efa17da0910222110k2d909d43xc4c590163c8db766@mail.gmail.com> Wow, that is actually something that never occurred to me... Yes, anyone at a serial terminal with the command line could definitely wreak some havoc! Guess I never had to think about that, since it was so long ago! On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Willard Goosey wrote: > OS-9 has (at least the potential) to be a fairly secure multi-user > system. ?It's just that everybody just runs as user 0, AKA root. > > Can't really blame Tandy for skipping the whole "Federal ?Government > doesn't like ecryption" thing by not including a password program, > even if it does render the tsmon/login system kind of silly. > > Willard > -- > Willard Goosey ?goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. > ?-- R.E. Howard > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 23 09:56:21 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:56:21 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091022121323.05b99540@coco3.com> References: <4AE06F96.7080002@att.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20091022121323.05b99540@coco3.com> Message-ID: I already use a single 64MB compact flash card as my CoCo .dsk image back up device... But this is used connected to a PC and I backup/restore real CoCo 5.25 floppies using it. Heck, I even duplicate the backup process by backing up to my CCR-81 tape every so often. I see the benefit, but I also like to keep true to the spirit of the CoCo by running a true unit with a real 5.25 drive system. A super speed system (or emulator) with extremely vast and fast direct storage just doesn't seem like a CoCo anymore but some kind of imposter. I believe one has to use a CoCo in its originally designed hardware configurations in order to appreciate the beauty of it and how far we've come since. Flash storage is awesome, but I acquired spare 5.25 floppy drives that are boxed up for safe keeping and many boxes of 5.25 floppy disks that have never been opened. In a way, it almost feels like I'm wasting my time sometimes with the CF backups because the real floppy system does so well and, in my experience, has been extremely reliable. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Roger Taylor Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:38 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo At 09:43 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote: >I'm not sure I really see the point of making a card OS-9/DECB >accessible. There might be a lot of wasted space, but the cards are >cheap enough that one for each shouldn't be a problem. SD or Micro >SD really doesn't matter. The smaller cards are even cheaper now -- >if you can find them! a 512MB card would be great for DECB, a 1-2GB >better for OS-9. No hard drive at all, just a card! The cards are extremely large for a CoCo and we can easily store thousands of floppies and multiple builds of OS-9/NitrOS-9 with no worries, with years of space to spare. Of course, there's nothing stopping somebody from using multiple cards to have even more options. -- ~ Roger Taylor -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From twospruces at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:04:02 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:04:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: References: <4AE06F96.7080002@att.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20091022121323.05b99540@coco3.com> Message-ID: I agree with you. My plans are just to use drivewire to get access to software via the net. I like using the old hardware! I don't think I will ever exceed what I can do with 720k floppies. I'm looking forward to getting my LCD driver module, so that I can use my system with a compact high quality display. I'll start to fiddle around with assembly at some point. I upgraded my coco3 with the 63c09, and 512k. Those are such nice hardware upgrades. I wonder if I need the little CPLD upgrade to fix up my GIME? ..Steve On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Chad H wrote: > I already use a single 64MB compact flash card as my CoCo .dsk image back up > device... ?But this is used connected to a PC and I backup/restore real CoCo > 5.25 floppies using it. Heck, I even duplicate the backup process by backing > up to my CCR-81 tape every so often. I see the benefit, but I also like to > keep true to the spirit of the CoCo by running a true unit with a real 5.25 > drive system. ?A super speed system (or emulator) with extremely vast and > fast direct storage just doesn't seem like a CoCo anymore but some kind of > imposter. I believe one has to use a CoCo in its originally designed > hardware configurations in order to appreciate the beauty of it and how far > we've come since. Flash storage is awesome, but I acquired spare 5.25 floppy > drives that are boxed up for safe keeping and many boxes of 5.25 floppy > disks that have never been opened. ?In a way, it almost feels like I'm > wasting my time sometimes with the CF backups because the real floppy system > does so well and, in my experience, has been extremely reliable. > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On > Behalf Of Roger Taylor > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:38 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo > > At 09:43 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote: >>I'm not sure I really see the point of making a card OS-9/DECB >>accessible. There might be a lot of wasted space, but the cards are >>cheap enough that one for each shouldn't be a problem. SD or Micro >>SD really doesn't matter. The smaller cards are even cheaper now -- >>if you can find them! a 512MB ?card would be great for DECB, a 1-2GB >>better for OS-9. No hard drive at all, just a card! > > The cards are extremely large for a CoCo and we can easily store > thousands of floppies and multiple builds of OS-9/NitrOS-9 with no > worries, with years of space to spare. > > Of course, there's nothing stopping somebody from using multiple > cards to have even more options. > > > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Fri Oct 23 15:45:12 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:45:12 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 security In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0910222110k2d909d43xc4c590163c8db766@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091023033726.GA21194@virgo.sdc.org> <9efa17da0910222110k2d909d43xc4c590163c8db766@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091023194512.GA23746@virgo.sdc.org> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:10:22PM -0500, Sean wrote: > Wow, that is actually something that never occurred to me... Yes, > anyone at a serial terminal with the command line could definitely > wreak some havoc! >From what little I played with OS-9 LII as a multiuser machine, the security systems (such as the owner/public file permissions) do work. The parts that are present, anyway. According to what I've read, OSK people routinely run their machines as multiuser. What changes from 6x09 were there, in terms of security? Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From snhirsch at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 14:09:27 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: <169860.31689.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Stephen Adolph wrote: > http://www.jammaboards.com/store/cga/ega/yuv-to-vga-converter-pcb-gbs-8220/prod_291.html > > this is what I found. > > Does this do the trick? I have questions about that. I bought one of these boards on eBay and the unit I received is behaving very poorly. It resets randomly and will not display the CoCo output. Color me unimpressed. Steve -- From RJRTTY at aol.com Sat Oct 24 19:25:29 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:25:29 EDT Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor Message-ID: In a message dated 10/24/2009 2:40:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, snhirsch at gmail.com writes: >I have questions about that. I bought one of these boards on eBay and the >unit I received is behaving very poorly. It resets randomly and will not >display the CoCo output. >Color me unimpressed. It is likely the output of the coco3 is overdriving the input of your converter. I have run into this problem with other commercial converters. Try putting a 75 ohm resistor in series in each of the RGB lines and see if that helps. Roy From snhirsch at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 21:49:07 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Oct 2009, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/24/2009 2:40:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > snhirsch at gmail.com writes: > > > >> I have questions about that. I bought one of these boards on eBay and > the >> unit I received is behaving very poorly. It resets randomly and will not >> display the CoCo output. > >> Color me unimpressed. > > > It is likely the output of the coco3 is overdriving the input of > your converter. I have run into this problem with other > commercial converters. Try putting a 75 ohm resistor > in series in each of the RGB lines and see if that helps. That's possible, but I think the real issue is that this unit doesn't support 15.75Khz. RGB with separate V & H sync. When I connect my Amiga using the composite sync output it seems fine. I'll try padding the inputs tomorrow and see if things cooperate. Steve -- From aawolfe at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 22:58:14 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:58:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers Message-ID: <4ae3beca.1702be0a.63ae.5035@mx.google.com> Hello, i have one of Roy's adapters and it works perfectly on my cocos. I have many other "classic" machines and wondered if it might be posible to use it with them if i can build the right cable. Many things seem to use similar rgb sync etc. Anyone know or know where to start looking? I have a few amigas (and a vga adapter that works for some video modes now), and a commodore 128 with "rgb" output ive never been able to use. Been wanting to get one of the older atari comps too. I think i saw a post here where someone had success with one of those. Thanks for any advice. I do have a composite-vga convertor that works ok so its not like i cant use these now, just thought maybe could expand the capabilities of roys great box. From devries.bob at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 23:05:40 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:05:40 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers References: <4ae3beca.1702be0a.63ae.5035@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003001ca5520$0ab578e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Hi, Aaron. Isn't the Commodore 128's RGB port a digital one? That is, RGB-I instead of Analog RGB? I'd imagine that Roy's adaptor is designed for the analog RGB output, but Roy will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong. -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers > > Hello, i have one of Roy's adapters and it works perfectly on my cocos. > I have many other "classic" machines and wondered if it might be posible > to use it with them if i can build the right cable. Many things seem to > use similar rgb sync etc. > > Anyone know or know where to start looking? I have a few amigas (and a > vga adapter that works for some video modes now), and a commodore 128 with > "rgb" output ive never been able to use. Been wanting to get one of the > older atari comps too. I think i saw a post here where someone had > success with one of those. > > Thanks for any advice. I do have a composite-vga convertor that works ok > so its not like i cant use these now, just thought maybe could expand the > capabilities of roys great box. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From aawolfe at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 23:10:14 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers In-Reply-To: <003001ca5520$0ab578e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> References: <4ae3beca.1702be0a.63ae.5035@mx.google.com> <003001ca5520$0ab578e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > Hi, Aaron. > > Isn't the Commodore 128's RGB port a digital one? That is, RGB-I instead of > Analog RGB? > I really don't know, just had this idea.. probably should do some research :) > I'd imagine that Roy's adaptor is designed for the analog RGB output, but > Roy will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong. > > -- > Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's > native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. > > Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:58 PM > Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers > > >> >> Hello, ?i have one of Roy's adapters and it works perfectly on my cocos. I >> have many other "classic" machines and wondered if it might be posible to >> use it with them if i can build the right cable. ?Many things seem to use >> similar rgb sync etc. >> >> Anyone know or know where to start looking? ?I have a few amigas (and a >> vga adapter that works for some video modes now), and a commodore 128 with >> "rgb" output ive never been able to use. ?Been wanting to get one of the >> older atari comps too. ?I think i saw a post here where someone had success >> with one of those. >> >> Thanks for any advice. ?I do have a composite-vga convertor that works ok >> so its not like i cant use these now, just thought maybe could expand the >> capabilities of roys great box. >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From RJRTTY at aol.com Sat Oct 24 23:21:28 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:21:28 EDT Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers Message-ID: In a message dated 10/24/2009 10:58:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aawolfe at gmail.com writes: >Hello, i have one of Roy's adapters and it works perfectly on my cocos. I have many other "classic" >machines and wondered if it might be posible to use it with them if i can build the right cable. Many things >seem to use similar rgb sync etc. My converter already works with the Amiga and Atari520ST. All that is needed is the right cable for both.... Roy From devries.bob at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 23:30:02 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:30:02 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers References: <4ae3beca.1702be0a.63ae.5035@mx.google.com><003001ca5520$0ab578e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: <003c01ca5523$72795110$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Hi Aaron, http://medialab.freaknet.org/doc/Hardware/Retrocomputing/commodore-128/C128-pinouts.txt According to that website, the RGB is indeed digital: pins 1 & 2 are GND, pins 3, 4 & 5 are RED, GREEN and BLUE pin 6 is INTENSITY pin 7 is MONOCHROME VIDEO pin 8 is H-SYNC pin 9 is V-SYNC Regards, Bob Devries Soldiers 2, Las Pinas City, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > Hi, Aaron. > > Isn't the Commodore 128's RGB port a digital one? That is, RGB-I instead > of > Analog RGB? > I really don't know, just had this idea.. probably should do some research :) > I'd imagine that Roy's adaptor is designed for the analog RGB output, but > Roy will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong. > > -- > Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's > native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. > > Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:58 PM > Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers > > >> >> Hello, i have one of Roy's adapters and it works perfectly on my cocos. I >> have many other "classic" machines and wondered if it might be posible to >> use it with them if i can build the right cable. Many things seem to use >> similar rgb sync etc. >> >> Anyone know or know where to start looking? I have a few amigas (and a >> vga adapter that works for some video modes now), and a commodore 128 >> with >> "rgb" output ive never been able to use. Been wanting to get one of the >> older atari comps too. I think i saw a post here where someone had >> success >> with one of those. >> >> Thanks for any advice. I do have a composite-vga convertor that works ok >> so its not like i cant use these now, just thought maybe could expand the >> capabilities of roys great box. >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 23:32:06 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:32:06 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers References: Message-ID: <004101ca5523$bba109f0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Roy, The Amiga and AtariST both have Analog RGB outputs. The only difference as I recall is the polarity of the sync signals. Regards, Bob Devries -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers > In a message dated 10/24/2009 10:58:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > aawolfe at gmail.com writes: > >>Hello, i have one of Roy's adapters and it works perfectly on my cocos. > I have many other "classic" >machines and wondered if it might be posible > to use it with them if i can build the right cable. Many things >seem to > use similar rgb sync etc. > > > > > > My converter already works with the Amiga and Atari520ST. > All that is needed is the right cable for both.... > > Roy > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From RJRTTY at aol.com Sun Oct 25 04:15:58 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:15:58 EDT Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers Message-ID: In a message dated 10/24/2009 11:32:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, devries.bob at gmail.com writes: >Roy, >The Amiga and AtariST both have Analog RGB outputs. The only difference as I >recall is the polarity of the sync signals. >Regards, Bob Devries My converter can be programmed to accept either. But it wouldn't matter since it keys off the rising edge of the sync signal whatever the polarity..... Roy From aawolfe at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 04:17:29 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:17:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:21 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 10/24/2009 10:58:29 P.M. ?Eastern Daylight Time, > aawolfe at gmail.com writes: > >>Hello, ?i have ?one of Roy's adapters and it works perfectly on my cocos. > I have many ?other "classic" >machines and wondered if it might be posible > to use it with ?them if i can build the right cable. ?Many things >seem to > use similar ?rgb sync etc. > > > > > > My converter already works with the Amiga and Atari520ST. > All that is needed is the right cable for both.... > Any hints on where to get parts for creating the cable needed? > Roy > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 25 07:46:33 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:46:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910250746.33434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 25 October 2009, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:21 PM, wrote: >> In a message dated 10/24/2009 10:58:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> >> aawolfe at gmail.com writes: >>>Hello, i have one of Roy's adapters and it works perfectly on my cocos. >> >> I have many other "classic" >machines and wondered if it might be >> posible to use it with them if i can build the right cable. Many things >> >seem to use similar rgb sync etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> My converter already works with the Amiga and Atari520ST. >> All that is needed is the right cable for both.... > >Any hints on where to get parts for creating the cable needed? Keep in mind when srcing the parts, that the amiga's video connector is _not_ a db25, but a db23. Also keep in mind that the agnus chip cannot drive all 5 outputs and will shut down to protect itself if the H&V sync lines aren't buffered with external logic. All of the cables made back in its heyday actually had a cmos logic chip buried in the backshell plastic casting to not only buffer the synch signals but also combined them into whatever mode and polarity that monitor needed. It being cd4000 family cmos stuff, wasn't all that happy driving a 75 ohm load, so the failure rate was a problem, I've had to cut it off and build a new one twice now. And I used the 74HC nand gate for that, much more robust. >> Roy >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. that's a Kludge(TM) It Works(tm) AIX works(TM) no it doesn't => From snhirsch at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 09:09:49 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers In-Reply-To: <200910250746.33434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200910250746.33434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Any hints on where to get parts for creating the cable needed? > > Keep in mind when srcing the parts, that the amiga's video connector is _not_ > a db25, but a db23. The DB23F required for the computer end of the cable is rare, but there are a few folks on the internet selling them. > Also keep in mind that the agnus chip cannot drive all 5 > outputs and will shut down to protect itself if the H&V sync lines aren't > buffered with external logic. All of the cables made back in its heyday > actually had a cmos logic chip buried in the backshell plastic casting to not > only buffer the synch signals but also combined them into whatever mode and > polarity that monitor needed. But, the Amiga connector supplies both H&V sync and composite on three separate lines. Why would you need further munging? > It being cd4000 family cmos stuff, wasn't all > that happy driving a 75 ohm load, so the failure rate was a problem, I've had > to cut it off and build a new one twice now. And I used the 74HC nand gate > for that, much more robust. Is that what's inside those silver HD15F --> DB23F adapters that were provided with newer Amigas? Steve -- From snhirsch at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 09:13:18 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers In-Reply-To: <003001ca5520$0ab578e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> References: <4ae3beca.1702be0a.63ae.5035@mx.google.com> <003001ca5520$0ab578e0$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Bob Devries wrote: > Isn't the Commodore 128's RGB port a digital one? That is, RGB-I instead of > Analog RGB? The C128 is indeed a digital RGBI signal. In order to get the proper color mapping, you need to build a simple 2-chip adapter that converts to a quasi-analog signal. Wolfgang Moser (Womo) published a schematic and PCB layout for just such a device. I built one on perf-board and use it to connect my C128 to the same Wei-Ya RGB/VGA converter that works so well with my CoCo. With a little tweaking of level trim-pots, you can get the entire C128 color pallete to display faithfully. Steve -- From RJRTTY at aol.com Sun Oct 25 11:47:48 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:47:48 EDT Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers Message-ID: In a message dated 10/25/2009 4:17:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aawolfe at gmail.com writes: >Any hints on where to get parts for creating the cable needed? I use a dremel tool to cut and shape a DB25 connector to fit the Amiga. I have done it maybe 25 times now without any issues.... Also the connector for the Atari520ST can be purchased from digikey corp. I have made Amiga cables for some time now and haven't had any trouble with the video chip inside driving the H and V lines. My converter only has high impedance inputs connected to those lines so it is not a problem for it. There are no conventional TTL inputs to drive. Why don't you tell me what you need and I will make it for you. Roy From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 25 12:43:32 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:43:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using Roy's vga adapter with other computers In-Reply-To: References: <200910250746.33434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200910251243.32522.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 25 October 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Any hints on where to get parts for creating the cable needed? >> >> Keep in mind when srcing the parts, that the amiga's video connector is >> _not_ a db25, but a db23. > >The DB23F required for the computer end of the cable is rare, but there >are a few folks on the internet selling them. > >> Also keep in mind that the agnus chip cannot drive all 5 >> outputs and will shut down to protect itself if the H&V sync lines aren't >> buffered with external logic. All of the cables made back in its heyday >> actually had a cmos logic chip buried in the backshell plastic casting to >> not only buffer the synch signals but also combined them into whatever >> mode and polarity that monitor needed. > >But, the Amiga connector supplies both H&V sync and composite on three >separate lines. Why would you need further munging? > Because as I said, the agnus will shut itself down if it finds a std 75 ohm load on the synch signal pins. It doesn't over heat, it just shuts down. >> It being cd4000 family cmos stuff, wasn't all >> that happy driving a 75 ohm load, so the failure rate was a problem, I've >> had to cut it off and build a new one twice now. And I used the 74HC >> nand gate for that, much more robust. > >Is that what's inside those silver HD15F --> DB23F adapters that were >provided with newer Amigas? I believe there was a similar lashup in those, although I don't know if the alice chip had similar shutdowns built in. Mine is an A2k, and has a picasso-ii card which drives vga/svga monitors directly. >Steve > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. This is a test of the emergency broadcast system. Had there been an actual emergency, then you would no longer be here. From snhirsch at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 16:09:44 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SVGA monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Oct 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: > On Sat, 24 Oct 2009, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > >>> I have questions about that. I bought one of these boards on eBay and >> the >>> unit I received is behaving very poorly. It resets randomly and will not >>> display the CoCo output. >> >>> Color me unimpressed. >> >> >> It is likely the output of the coco3 is overdriving the input of >> your converter. I have run into this problem with other >> commercial converters. Try putting a 75 ohm resistor >> in series in each of the RGB lines and see if that helps. > > That's possible, but I think the real issue is that this unit doesn't support > 15.75Khz. RGB with separate V & H sync. When I connect my Amiga using the > composite sync output it seems fine. And that turned out to the be problem! I breadboarded a simple H+V --> Composite TTL adapter and presto... Nice stable display from the CoCo :-) The circuit I used was found at: http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/vga2rgbs.html There are two variants shown there; one uses a pair of discrete transistors to drive a true 75-ohm input and the other provides standard +5V TTL. The latter of these worked fine for me since the converter is not terminated. Parts complement is an SN7486 quad xor-gate, two 2k2 resistors and two 22ufd/10v electrolytic caps. It's sitting on my trusty Heathkit proto-board at the moment, but I'll end up building it on perfboard and mounting the entire getup in a little project box. I'm going to suggest that the manufacturer support 15Khz. RGB w/ separate sync, but who knows if they'll care enough to listen. Steve -- From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 27 12:22:15 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:22:15 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel Message-ID: Have been getting rid of some old Tandy dot-matrix printers lately.tired of the racket and can't find ribbons (They were jamming half the time anyways). I do however still have a old HP DeskJet 540 and DeskJet 550c stored up in perfect working order. I held onto these because I knew they would print directly from true MS-DOS (something modern printers won't do) and I can still get ink for cheap for them. I think there used to be some sort of CoCo serial to parallel convertor that would enable one to print from CoCo to a printer such as these, but I can't seem to find one. Does anyone know where I might be able to obtain one? - Chad From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 27 12:27:56 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually just did a e-ebay/net search and came across one "possible" candidate. It's a Tandy Radio Shack part number 26-2829 converter...but I don't know if it has the proper connections. I remember Tandy had used a non-standard centronics parallel connector at one time. - Chad -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chad H Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:22 AM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel Have been getting rid of some old Tandy dot-matrix printers lately.tired of the racket and can't find ribbons (They were jamming half the time anyways). I do however still have a old HP DeskJet 540 and DeskJet 550c stored up in perfect working order. I held onto these because I knew they would print directly from true MS-DOS (something modern printers won't do) and I can still get ink for cheap for them. I think there used to be some sort of CoCo serial to parallel convertor that would enable one to print from CoCo to a printer such as these, but I can't seem to find one. Does anyone know where I might be able to obtain one? - Chad -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From badfrog at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 12:30:47 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9efa17da0910270930x518583ech9e8c21ccc16d7137@mail.gmail.com> I have one available, make me an offer if you're interested. Picture here: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/thOZYPoFkZnIf2EYFqgWyA?authkey=Gv1sRgCIKYvLL49PucmQE&feat=directlink There is also a power supply and I think instructions with it that is not pictured. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Chad H wrote: > Have been getting rid of some old Tandy dot-matrix printers lately.tired of > the racket and can't find ribbons ?(They were jamming half the time > anyways). > > I do however still have a old HP DeskJet 540 and DeskJet 550c stored up in > perfect working order. ?I held onto these because I knew they would print > directly from true MS-DOS (something modern printers won't do) and I can > still get ink for cheap for them. ?I think there used to be some sort of > CoCo serial to parallel convertor that would enable one to print from CoCo > to a printer such as these, but I can't seem to find one. ?Does anyone know > where I might be able to obtain one? > > > > - ? ? ? ? ?Chad > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From badfrog at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 21:49:53 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Micro SD CoCo In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20091022121323.05b99540@coco3.com> References: <4AE06F96.7080002@att.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20091022121323.05b99540@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0910271849j6e27790ai5ed0b3eebb0c5206@mail.gmail.com> I finally remembered to look at CoCo3.com, so I'm now officially preordered for Roger's newest toy. The most important part for me is being able to load stuff onto the Micro SD card by hooking it up to the PC, since I sold both of my Multi-Paks last year. Oh yeah... Will the NitrOS-9 partition work on a stock 6809? Never actually ran it, only OS-9 Level 2. Sean On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 09:43 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote: >> >> I'm not sure I really see the point of making a card OS-9/DECB accessible. >> There might be a lot of wasted space, but the cards are cheap enough that >> one for each shouldn't be a problem. SD or Micro SD really doesn't matter. >> The smaller cards are even cheaper now -- if you can find them! a 512MB >> ?card would be great for DECB, a 1-2GB better for OS-9. No hard drive at >> all, just a card! > > The cards are extremely large for a CoCo and we can easily store thousands > of floppies and multiple builds of OS-9/NitrOS-9 with no worries, with years > of space to spare. > > Of course, there's nothing stopping somebody from using multiple cards to > have even more options. > > > > -- > ~ Roger Taylor > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Torsten at Dittel.info Wed Oct 28 20:39:04 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:39:04 +0100 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel, "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" (ebay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: you might want to have a look at this one (not my auction): ebay item # 250446197860 this seller has a bunch of "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" for sale too: ebay item # 300360514419 From Torsten at Dittel.info Wed Oct 28 20:42:25 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:42:25 +0100 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel, "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" (ebay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Torsten Dittel schrieb: > this seller has a bunch of "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" for > sale too: > ebay item # 300360514419 Hmmm... there's a capacitor looking damaged, so I wouldn't dare to go for those: http://www.c-reset.com/images/coco-fc3.jpg From keeper63 at cox.net Wed Oct 28 23:35:01 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:35:01 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE90D65.60406@cox.net> > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:22:15 -0500 > From: "Chad H" > Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Have been getting rid of some old Tandy dot-matrix printers lately.tired of > the racket and can't find ribbons (They were jamming half the time > anyways). > > I do however still have a old HP DeskJet 540 and DeskJet 550c stored up in > perfect working order. I held onto these because I knew they would print > directly from true MS-DOS (something modern printers won't do) and I can > still get ink for cheap for them. I think there used to be some sort of > CoCo serial to parallel convertor that would enable one to print from CoCo > to a printer such as these, but I can't seem to find one. Does anyone know > where I might be able to obtain one? Another possibility, if you can't procure one of the old convertors, and one which I believe one of the guys here actually set up and got working (and I think even posted the scripts), is using a *nix box to listen to the serial port, and capture the data and pipe it back out to a printer. I think he was using a LaserJet (I have a 6MP hanging off my network, personally - those things are workhorses). It might even be possible to do this with a DOS box; if you got an embedded form-factor PC, like from these guys: http://synertrontech.com/ You could build a fairly small system to do this; in fact, check out this board: http://synertrontech.com/products/Embedded%20Boards/cv_860a.htm Model #CV 860A 1R14 would be perfect; you could build a diskless DOS box using FreeDOS, or install a console *nix. Boot off a large CF card, or DOC. Set it up like a NetBook to minimize writes to the CF/DOC, run out of a portion of RAM (put in the maximum memory possible of 512 MB). If you set it using *nix, then you could have that background process running listening to the serial port (which you wire up to the bitbanger on a real CoCo, or via the RS-232 Pak, or DriveWire, or Roger's Pak), while still being able to kick into the MESS emulator. You could transfer files back and forth fairly easily; as well as use the machine as a gateway to the net via its ethernet port. The printer could run off the parallel port or over the network. I daresay this is but a few steps away from being the mythical/theoretical/much-talked-about "CoCo 4"; not only could it be a CoCo thru MESS emulation (maybe even "fork" MESS off into a CoCo-only emulator - this would require someone to step forward to handle the fork and merging of code changes - if needed - from the MESS project?), it would be a peripheral and general purpose interface for a real CoCo... Maybe Mr. Bjork could give us some further pointers? I wish I had more time and less projects... -- Andrew L. Ayers Glendale, Arizona From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 00:41:23 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel, "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" (ebay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bought the converted I needed from a guy on this forum, thanks though. The first item you gave is a serial to parallel converter but think it's for standard serial ports (9/25 pin) and not the CoCo style. Those CoCo1 controller boards are old!! Probably the 12VDC variety. I got a fully functional FD-502 setup with dual DS/DD 5.25 drives (several spare drives boxed up as well) and a 2nd FD-502 controller pack as a spare so I'm good here. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Torsten Dittel Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:39 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel, "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" (ebay) you might want to have a look at this one (not my auction): ebay item # 250446197860 this seller has a bunch of "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" for sale too: ebay item # 300360514419 -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 02:25:48 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:25:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel, "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" (ebay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910290225.48680.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 28 October 2009, Torsten Dittel wrote: >Torsten Dittel schrieb: >> this seller has a bunch of "CoCo1 Floppy Drive Controller Boards" for >> sale too: >> ebay item # 300360514419 > >Hmmm... there's a capacitor looking damaged, so I wouldn't dare to go >for those: > >http://www.c-reset.com/images/coco-fc3.jpg > That of course is not the whole pix, but a capacitor like that is likely a bypass and its value isn't critical. They don't usually short from a break like that. If there is nothing else wrong, its probably fine. If its shorted, its also a $0.25 part and I have a good temp controlled soldering iron. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 02:33:49 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel In-Reply-To: <4AE90D65.60406@cox.net> References: <4AE90D65.60406@cox.net> Message-ID: <200910290233.49404.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 28 October 2009, Andrew wrote: >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:22:15 -0500 >> From: "Chad H" >> Subject: [Coco] CoCo Serial to Parallel >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Have been getting rid of some old Tandy dot-matrix printers lately.tired >> of the racket and can't find ribbons (They were jamming half the time >> anyways). >> >> I do however still have a old HP DeskJet 540 and DeskJet 550c stored up >> in perfect working order. I held onto these because I knew they would >> print directly from true MS-DOS (something modern printers won't do) and >> I can still get ink for cheap for them. I think there used to be some >> sort of CoCo serial to parallel convertor that would enable one to print >> from CoCo to a printer such as these, but I can't seem to find one. Does >> anyone know where I might be able to obtain one? > >Another possibility, if you can't procure one of the old convertors, and >one which I believe one of the guys here actually set up and got working >(and I think even posted the scripts), is using a *nix box to listen to >the serial port, and capture the data and pipe it back out to a printer. >I think he was using a LaserJet (I have a 6MP hanging off my network, >personally - those things are workhorses). That would be me. Using a Brother HL-2170. Quickest printer in the house by a very wide margin. >It might even be possible to do this with a DOS box; if you got an >embedded form-factor PC, like from these guys: That dos box would likely need 50x the memory, ghostscript is hungry. > http://synertrontech.com/ > >You could build a fairly small system to do this; in fact, check out >this board: > > http://synertrontech.com/products/Embedded%20Boards/cv_860a.htm > >Model #CV 860A 1R14 would be perfect; you could build a diskless DOS box >using FreeDOS, or install a console *nix. Boot off a large CF card, or >DOC. Set it up like a NetBook to minimize writes to the CF/DOC, run out >of a portion of RAM (put in the maximum memory possible of 512 MB). > >If you set it using *nix, then you could have that background process >running listening to the serial port (which you wire up to the bitbanger >on a real CoCo, or via the RS-232 Pak, or DriveWire, or Roger's Pak), >while still being able to kick into the MESS emulator. You could >transfer files back and forth fairly easily; as well as use the machine >as a gateway to the net via its ethernet port. The printer could run off >the parallel port or over the network. Or over a USB extension cable both ways, I have a 4 port hub on the coco-3's desk, with a FDTI rs-232 to USB from the bit banger to the hub, and the printer also plugged into the hub. Traffic isn't a problem because my script waits till the coco quits sending data before it sends it off to the Brother with an lpr command. >I daresay this is but a few steps away from being the >mythical/theoretical/much-talked-about "CoCo 4"; not only could it be a >CoCo thru MESS emulation (maybe even "fork" MESS off into a CoCo-only >emulator - this would require someone to step forward to handle the fork >and merging of code changes - if needed - from the MESS project?), it >would be a peripheral and general purpose interface for a real CoCo... > >Maybe Mr. Bjork could give us some further pointers? I wish I had more >time and less projects... > >-- Andrew L. Ayers > Glendale, Arizona > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. You're dead, Jim. -- McCoy, "The Tholian Web", stardate unknown From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 05:19:33 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:19:33 -0500 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies Message-ID: I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. I have a FD-502 unit and it's working properly but I just came across a possible PCB part that might substitute as a replacement for the existing one should it ever go bad. But I don't want to go buying up too many extra parts if these things are as rock solid as they seem. Seems the older my system gets though the more paranoid I get about something going wrong with it. Don't need to turn my computer room into a parts warehouse or 'radio shack' either if I can help it. (maybe too late on that one) - Chad From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 05:38:20 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:38:20 +1000 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies References: Message-ID: <005a01ca587b$8f1aa430$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Chad, I would think that the electrolytic capacitors would dry out over time (some have already failed for me), but other than that the only failure would occur if the PSU were overloaded. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas City, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad H" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies >I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 > floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. I have a FD-502 unit and > it's working properly but I just came across a possible PCB part that > might > substitute as a replacement for the existing one should it ever go bad. > But I don't want to go buying up too many extra parts if these things are > as > rock solid as they seem. Seems the older my system gets though the more > paranoid I get about something going wrong with it. Don't need to turn my > computer room into a parts warehouse or 'radio shack' either if I can help > it. (maybe too late on that one) > > > > - Chad > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 05:43:37 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:43:37 -0500 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: <005a01ca587b$8f1aa430$6501a8c0@aceraspire> References: <005a01ca587b$8f1aa430$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: Do you know what the amperage capacity is on the stock PSU? The ones I'm looking at provide 2A on both the +5VDC and +12VDC sides. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bob Devries Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:38 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies Chad, I would think that the electrolytic capacitors would dry out over time (some have already failed for me), but other than that the only failure would occur if the PSU were overloaded. Regards, Bob Devries Las Pinas City, Philippines -- Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad H" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies >I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 > floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. I have a FD-502 unit and > it's working properly but I just came across a possible PCB part that > might > substitute as a replacement for the existing one should it ever go bad. > But I don't want to go buying up too many extra parts if these things are > as > rock solid as they seem. Seems the older my system gets though the more > paranoid I get about something going wrong with it. Don't need to turn my > computer room into a parts warehouse or 'radio shack' either if I can help > it. (maybe too late on that one) > > > > - Chad > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From brucewcalkins at charter.net Thu Oct 29 05:47:34 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies References: Message-ID: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> The FD-501 & 502 were a little under rated in that Radio Shack installed a fan with the dual disk drive installations. It appears to be more of a cooling issue than a part rating issue though. I have used CPU fans from dead PCs instead of Radio Shack's can motor kludge. In short, I have not seen a disk drive power supply fail from normal use. I have even bypassed the transformer and plugged in to the truck's "12 volts" without any problems. Bruce W. ================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad H" >I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 > floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. > > - Chad From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 10:25:09 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910291025.09271.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 29 October 2009, Chad H wrote: >I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 >floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. I have a FD-502 unit and >it's working properly but I just came across a possible PCB part that might >substitute as a replacement for the existing one should it ever go bad. >But I don't want to go buying up too many extra parts if these things are > as rock solid as they seem. Seems the older my system gets though the > more paranoid I get about something going wrong with it. Don't need to > turn my computer room into a parts warehouse or 'radio shack' either if I > can help it. (maybe too late on that one) > > > >- Chad Filter capacitors are a ticking clock, usually runs faster when not powered up because the capacitor 'de-forms', losing capacitance slowly. Or, because they are at heart aluminum foil, and its hard to make a gas tight joint in foils only microns thick, they will develop high resistance connections, a defect known as poor power factor, or excessive ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance). But for those, keeping them on the shelf isn't great, so one should go buy fresh ones, they don't keep for decades on the shelf. Any capacitor whose top is bulged up from flat, or which has signs of leakage on the bottom s/b replaced forthwith, its already bad. Semiconductors are next, but generally speaking that's power stuff, and newer is generally better. I rarely try for the exact same part, just use whatever the circuit needs. I had to replace the hexfet power stage of the variable speed spindle motor control of my Chinese milling machine a year ago. I looked up the original one on google, then picked up a failed PC psu carcass and checked what was in it, it was a way better part, so its in the mills VSD now, running cooler than the original ever did. I could probably double the size of the fuse but haven't, cheap plastic drive gears. In those supplies, there was a resistor or two, one of which was a 1 watt, or maybe a 2, carbon based at the time of manufacture. _Any_ of those with a heat discoloration in the middle should be replaced by the same value in the modern metal film 'fireproof' variety, and that is usually a 1 time job, the new ones will still be good when the universe runs down. Transformers are of course subject to the laws of inadequate cooling, and in some low wattage cases, (wall warts) failure includes the solder eating away at the joint where that 40+ gauge primary wire is soldered to the plugin lug at some indeterminate time, sometimes in less than 3 years. For the coco's disk drive supplies, an annual trip to the air hose to blow the dust bunnies out should reduce those failures to the vanishing point. > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The first condition of immortality is death. -Stanislaw Lec From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 10:30:57 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:30:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: References: <005a01ca587b$8f1aa430$6501a8c0@aceraspire> Message-ID: <200910291030.57166.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 29 October 2009, Chad H wrote: >Do you know what the amperage capacity is on the stock PSU? The ones I'm >looking at provide 2A on both the +5VDC and +12VDC sides. > Unsaid, but those ratings are ICAS ratings, intermittent loads, particularly on the 12 volt bus since that is only loaded when the drive is running. Putting a hard drive in that box and it really needs a fan. Almost any cpu cooler or old pc psu fan can help a lot, they are typically a .25 amp load on the 12 volt line. [...] -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Better by far you should forget and smile than that you should remember and be sad. -- Christina Rossetti From snhirsch at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 12:03:10 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: <200910291025.09271.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200910291025.09271.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 29 October 2009, Chad H wrote: >> I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 >> floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. I have a FD-502 unit and >> it's working properly but I just came across a possible PCB part that might >> substitute as a replacement for the existing one should it ever go bad. >> But I don't want to go buying up too many extra parts if these things are >> as rock solid as they seem. Seems the older my system gets though the >> more paranoid I get about something going wrong with it. Don't need to >> turn my computer room into a parts warehouse or 'radio shack' either if I >> can help it. (maybe too late on that one) >> > Filter capacitors are a ticking clock, usually runs faster when not powered > up because the capacitor 'de-forms', losing capacitance slowly. Or, because > they are at heart aluminum foil, and its hard to make a gas tight joint in > foils only microns thick, they will develop high resistance connections, a > defect known as poor power factor, or excessive ESR (Equivalent Series > Resistance). But for those, keeping them on the shelf isn't great, so one > should go buy fresh ones, they don't keep for decades on the shelf. Any > capacitor whose top is bulged up from flat, or which has signs of leakage on > the bottom s/b replaced forthwith, its already bad. Can't speak for the Tandy supplies specifically, but all the external cases I've encountered from that era with built-in analog supplies have bad filter caps. It's actually amusing how well things can sometimes function with essentially raw AC applied :-). Although Gene didn't mention this specifically, it's a good idea to replace the usual 85-degree C caps with 105-degree units whenever possible. Steve -- From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 12:17:01 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:17:01 -0500 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> References: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> Message-ID: Well the replacement candidate PSU units I found are not the originals, they aren't even old they're brand new. I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for those originals. I'm running the original FD-502 Drive 0 plus a 2nd 5.25 360k drive pulled from old PC-XT and installed a small 12vdc cooling fan just to be safe so I believe I'm running what the power supply was intended for. I was just wondering about the minimum power requirements for this setup. A car/truck's 12vdc system would supply way more than enough power (but what about the 5vdc?) I just want to make sure the replacement is rated at enough amps to run the dual floppy+fan setup. The PSU unit's I'm looking at are designed for PC 4-pin Molex power applications (Same hookup as the PC-XT drive, would just have to match wiring for the original 502 drive with mini "3.5 floppy" type connector.) Here are 2 candidates I'm looking at right now. Internal? Trying to find out size dimensions on these. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270461125059&ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 External.. http://www.svc.com/pa-ad-ul.html -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:48 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies The FD-501 & 502 were a little under rated in that Radio Shack installed a fan with the dual disk drive installations. It appears to be more of a cooling issue than a part rating issue though. I have used CPU fans from dead PCs instead of Radio Shack's can motor kludge. In short, I have not seen a disk drive power supply fail from normal use. I have even bypassed the transformer and plugged in to the truck's "12 volts" without any problems. Bruce W. ================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad H" >I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 > floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. > > - Chad -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From snhirsch at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 12:30:54 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: References: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Chad H wrote: > Well the replacement candidate PSU units I found are not the originals, they > aren't even old they're brand new. I wouldn't even know where to begin > looking for those originals. > I'm running the original FD-502 Drive 0 plus a 2nd 5.25 360k drive pulled > from old PC-XT and installed a small 12vdc cooling fan just to be safe so I > believe I'm running what the power supply was intended for. I was just > wondering about the minimum power requirements for this setup. A > car/truck's 12vdc system would supply way more than enough power (but what > about the 5vdc?) I just want to make sure the replacement is rated at enough > amps to run the dual floppy+fan setup. The PSU unit's I'm looking at are > designed for PC 4-pin Molex power applications (Same hookup as the PC-XT > drive, would just have to match wiring for the original 502 drive with mini > "3.5 floppy" type connector.) > > Here are 2 candidates I'm looking at right now. > > Internal? Trying to find out size dimensions on these. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270461125059&ssPageName=A > DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 > > External.. http://www.svc.com/pa-ad-ul.html Either of those should be fine for running floppy drives. Just be careful not to confuse +5 and +12 :-). I've been working with electronics for years, and still have managed to let the magic smoke out things in just such a manner! In particular, when retrofitting one of those 4-pin Molex cables to a power supply, NEVER assume that RED=5V and YEL=12V! I have seen PC supplies come from the manufacturer with these colors crossed. Mind you, the _pinout_ on the connector was correct - only the colors were crossed. The problems comes when you cut the cable off a scrapped supply for re-use. Steve -- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 13:39:31 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:39:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: References: <200910291025.09271.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200910291339.31364.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 29 October 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Thursday 29 October 2009, Chad H wrote: >>> I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 >>> floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. I have a FD-502 unit and >>> it's working properly but I just came across a possible PCB part that >>> might substitute as a replacement for the existing one should it ever go >>> bad. But I don't want to go buying up too many extra parts if these >>> things are as rock solid as they seem. Seems the older my system gets >>> though the more paranoid I get about something going wrong with it. >>> Don't need to turn my computer room into a parts warehouse or 'radio >>> shack' either if I can help it. (maybe too late on that one) >> >> Filter capacitors are a ticking clock, usually runs faster when not >> powered up because the capacitor 'de-forms', losing capacitance slowly. >> Or, because they are at heart aluminum foil, and its hard to make a gas >> tight joint in foils only microns thick, they will develop high >> resistance connections, a defect known as poor power factor, or excessive >> ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance). But for those, keeping them on the >> shelf isn't great, so one should go buy fresh ones, they don't keep for >> decades on the shelf. Any capacitor whose top is bulged up from flat, or >> which has signs of leakage on the bottom s/b replaced forthwith, its >> already bad. > >Can't speak for the Tandy supplies specifically, but all the external >cases I've encountered from that era with built-in analog supplies have >bad filter caps. It's actually amusing how well things can sometimes >function with essentially raw AC applied :-). Chuckle, yes, I've made that observation 2 or 3 times. :-) >Although Gene didn't mention this specifically, it's a good idea to >replace the usual 85-degree C caps with 105-degree units whenever >possible. > >Steve > I'll second that, but 105C caps are often going to be made out of pure unobtainium for the more remotely located users. The 85C cap is fine if a fan that can actually pull or push external air through the case is installed, and those can be had from old cpu coolers or pc psu's for free. Letting the case get that warm that you need the 105C caps, is going to shorten the drive and media life considerably. The fan is much the _cooler_ idea. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 13:46:00 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: References: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> Message-ID: <200910291346.00384.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 29 October 2009, Chad H wrote: >Well the replacement candidate PSU units I found are not the originals, > they aren't even old they're brand new. I wouldn't even know where to > begin looking for those originals. >I'm running the original FD-502 Drive 0 plus a 2nd 5.25 360k drive pulled >from old PC-XT and installed a small 12vdc cooling fan just to be safe so I >believe I'm running what the power supply was intended for. I was just >wondering about the minimum power requirements for this setup. A >car/truck's 12vdc system would supply way more than enough power (but what >about the 5vdc?) I just want to make sure the replacement is rated at > enough amps to run the dual floppy+fan setup. The PSU unit's I'm looking > at are designed for PC 4-pin Molex power applications (Same hookup as the > PC-XT drive, would just have to match wiring for the original 502 drive > with mini "3.5 floppy" type connector.) > >Here are 2 candidates I'm looking at right now. > >Internal? Trying to find out size dimensions on these. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270461125059&ssPageName= >A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 > If it wasn't for the handling, thats a great price, and it could be hidden in a small box on top of the drive case as long as the fan could cool both pieces. >External.. http://www.svc.com/pa-ad-ul.html So is this, at $10 a drive, the obvious choice. The only problem is that the whole world is being inundated by wall warts and 3 foot strips to power them. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The man on tops walks a lonely street; the "chain" of command is often a noose. From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 13:59:18 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: <200910291339.31364.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200910291025.09271.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200910291339.31364.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well Haven't been able to determine the size of the ebay PSU board yet and would really like to keep from having a external unit. Fortunately, lucked up on Jameco and found this PD-2505 unit that would fit neatly in place of the factory PSU cube and external L-board/heat sink assemblies. http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/212312.pdf I will probably go with that unit should I need it. In fact... I still have those spare 360k drives stored up as well as a spare FD-502 controller pack. Wonder if I could somehow get a nice case that would work for building a whole new enclosure. All I would really need is a good case and then find a case to pak controller cable. hmmmm -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:40 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies On Thursday 29 October 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Thursday 29 October 2009, Chad H wrote: >>> I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 >>> floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. I have a FD-502 unit and >>> it's working properly but I just came across a possible PCB part that >>> might substitute as a replacement for the existing one should it ever go >>> bad. But I don't want to go buying up too many extra parts if these >>> things are as rock solid as they seem. Seems the older my system gets >>> though the more paranoid I get about something going wrong with it. >>> Don't need to turn my computer room into a parts warehouse or 'radio >>> shack' either if I can help it. (maybe too late on that one) >> >> Filter capacitors are a ticking clock, usually runs faster when not >> powered up because the capacitor 'de-forms', losing capacitance slowly. >> Or, because they are at heart aluminum foil, and its hard to make a gas >> tight joint in foils only microns thick, they will develop high >> resistance connections, a defect known as poor power factor, or excessive >> ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance). But for those, keeping them on the >> shelf isn't great, so one should go buy fresh ones, they don't keep for >> decades on the shelf. Any capacitor whose top is bulged up from flat, or >> which has signs of leakage on the bottom s/b replaced forthwith, its >> already bad. > >Can't speak for the Tandy supplies specifically, but all the external >cases I've encountered from that era with built-in analog supplies have >bad filter caps. It's actually amusing how well things can sometimes >function with essentially raw AC applied :-). Chuckle, yes, I've made that observation 2 or 3 times. :-) >Although Gene didn't mention this specifically, it's a good idea to >replace the usual 85-degree C caps with 105-degree units whenever >possible. > >Steve > I'll second that, but 105C caps are often going to be made out of pure unobtainium for the more remotely located users. The 85C cap is fine if a fan that can actually pull or push external air through the case is installed, and those can be had from old cpu coolers or pc psu's for free. Letting the case get that warm that you need the 105C caps, is going to shorten the drive and media life considerably. The fan is much the _cooler_ idea. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From brucewcalkins at charter.net Thu Oct 29 14:04:31 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:04:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies References: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> Message-ID: <787BF2C74CB44BC498DA454F28E39A9C@speedy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad H" > A car/truck's 12vdc system would supply way more than enough power A fuse in the cigarette lighter plug limits current. Aside from that you won't draw anymore than gets used. > (but what about the 5vdc?) I desoldered the transformer to regulator board wires from the board and soldered the DC cord there. The 5 volt regulator is downstream from there. Bruce W. From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 14:43:57 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: <787BF2C74CB44BC498DA454F28E39A9C@speedy> References: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> <787BF2C74CB44BC498DA454F28E39A9C@speedy> Message-ID: That gives new meaning to in-car mobile pc :) -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:05 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad H" > A car/truck's 12vdc system would supply way more than enough power A fuse in the cigarette lighter plug limits current. Aside from that you won't draw anymore than gets used. > (but what about the 5vdc?) I desoldered the transformer to regulator board wires from the board and soldered the DC cord there. The 5 volt regulator is downstream from there. Bruce W. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 14:45:42 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:45:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: References: <200910291025.09271.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200910291339.31364.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: For the "new enclosure" project I may just grab one of these http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310122477536 It already has the power supply and will house the 2 5.25 floppy drives. Then all will need is to run a floppy controller cable. I bet Cloud-9 has some long ones that would work. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chad H Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:59 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies Well Haven't been able to determine the size of the ebay PSU board yet and would really like to keep from having a external unit. Fortunately, lucked up on Jameco and found this PD-2505 unit that would fit neatly in place of the factory PSU cube and external L-board/heat sink assemblies. http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/212312.pdf I will probably go with that unit should I need it. In fact... I still have those spare 360k drives stored up as well as a spare FD-502 controller pack. Wonder if I could somehow get a nice case that would work for building a whole new enclosure. All I would really need is a good case and then find a case to pak controller cable. hmmmm -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:40 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies On Thursday 29 October 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Thursday 29 October 2009, Chad H wrote: >>> I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of the FD-500, 501, or 502 >>> floppy systems' power supplies ever going bad. I have a FD-502 unit and >>> it's working properly but I just came across a possible PCB part that >>> might substitute as a replacement for the existing one should it ever go >>> bad. But I don't want to go buying up too many extra parts if these >>> things are as rock solid as they seem. Seems the older my system gets >>> though the more paranoid I get about something going wrong with it. >>> Don't need to turn my computer room into a parts warehouse or 'radio >>> shack' either if I can help it. (maybe too late on that one) >> >> Filter capacitors are a ticking clock, usually runs faster when not >> powered up because the capacitor 'de-forms', losing capacitance slowly. >> Or, because they are at heart aluminum foil, and its hard to make a gas >> tight joint in foils only microns thick, they will develop high >> resistance connections, a defect known as poor power factor, or excessive >> ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance). But for those, keeping them on the >> shelf isn't great, so one should go buy fresh ones, they don't keep for >> decades on the shelf. Any capacitor whose top is bulged up from flat, or >> which has signs of leakage on the bottom s/b replaced forthwith, its >> already bad. > >Can't speak for the Tandy supplies specifically, but all the external >cases I've encountered from that era with built-in analog supplies have >bad filter caps. It's actually amusing how well things can sometimes >function with essentially raw AC applied :-). Chuckle, yes, I've made that observation 2 or 3 times. :-) >Although Gene didn't mention this specifically, it's a good idea to >replace the usual 85-degree C caps with 105-degree units whenever >possible. > >Steve > I'll second that, but 105C caps are often going to be made out of pure unobtainium for the more remotely located users. The 85C cap is fine if a fan that can actually pull or push external air through the case is installed, and those can be had from old cpu coolers or pc psu's for free. Letting the case get that warm that you need the 105C caps, is going to shorten the drive and media life considerably. The fan is much the _cooler_ idea. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From brucewcalkins at charter.net Thu Oct 29 14:55:29 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:55:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies References: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> <787BF2C74CB44BC498DA454F28E39A9C@speedy> Message-ID: <6D2392A4EA904D6B9DD1B6B711AA6623@speedy> > That gives new meaning to in-car mobile pc :) I seem to recall someone integrating his CoCo with his Toyota. I wonder what happened to the project. Bruce W. From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:14:18 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:14:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: <6D2392A4EA904D6B9DD1B6B711AA6623@speedy> References: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> <787BF2C74CB44BC498DA454F28E39A9C@speedy> <6D2392A4EA904D6B9DD1B6B711AA6623@speedy> Message-ID: Like in-dash? Wonder if he could tone the engine or anything with it -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:55 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies > That gives new meaning to in-car mobile pc :) I seem to recall someone integrating his CoCo with his Toyota. I wonder what happened to the project. Bruce W. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From n6il at ocs.net Thu Oct 29 16:29:28 2009 From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:29:28 -0700 Subject: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies In-Reply-To: References: <8BE1FEF5E47B4E1CA1AC47FD6F252420@speedy> <787BF2C74CB44BC498DA454F28E39A9C@speedy> <6D2392A4EA904D6B9DD1B6B711AA6623@speedy> Message-ID: <3C9F0840-1D3C-4081-B19C-EF1B409AF08F@ocs.net> On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Chad H wrote: > Like in-dash? Wonder if he could tone the engine or anything with it > > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On > Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:55 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies > > > >> That gives new meaning to in-car mobile pc :) > > I seem to recall someone integrating his CoCo with his Toyota. > > I wonder what happened to the project. http://www.boisypitre.com/boisypitre.com/Coyota.html This was one of Boisy's projects. I chuckle every time I see the coyota code in the nitros9 source tree. I recall that the original (missing) web page that Boisy mentions had screenshots of the coyota application. From os9dude at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:35:17 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coyota (CoCo + Toyota) - WAS:FD-50X series power supplies Message-ID: <5631e580910291335le596f32p8a1aa9cca0476ea2@mail.gmail.com> Boisy Pitre was the creator of the Coyota: CoCo in a Toyota truck. It has been a while since this, some information can be found at: http://web.archive.org/web/20020603080325/www.pitre.info/coyota.html pictures are gone I'm afraid, but the text does a good job describing the project. -- Rogelio On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Chad H wrote: > Like in-dash? Wonder if he could tone the engine or anything with it > > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On > Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:55 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-50X series power supplies > > > > > That gives new meaning to in-car mobile pc :) > > I seem to recall someone integrating his CoCo with his Toyota. > > I wonder what happened to the project. From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 30 22:15:17 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:15:17 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Thanks Sean! (Serial-Parrallel Converter) Message-ID: Got this thing today and hooked from my Coco 2 to my HP Deskjet 540. At first was garbage, then realized the printer wasn't putting out the right power after all so had to use the Wal-wart. After that it 'seemed' to be printing legit text but all on the first line of the page overwriting each other! Per the info on the instruction sheet you enclosed it says the CoCo's don't generate LF after CR..hmm obvious culprit. Solution was to change the DIP switches on printer. Yea I remember those on old dot matrix printers but the HP Deskjet doesn't have DIP's. Fortunately, the HP website still has a reference guide to the PCL 3 language natively supported by the DJ-540. Used that to send a CR=CR+LF initialization string and voila! Prints beautifully. Glad to bring it out of the top of my closet and use it again. Surprisingly, the thing has been stored up for several years and the ink cartridge was not dried out. Of course I did remove it from the print assembly and placed it in a plastic storage piece that had some sort of foam/rubber pressing against the bottom of the cartridge.maybe this protected it. Thanks again! - Chad From badfrog at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 01:57:14 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Thanks Sean! (Serial-Parrallel Converter) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9efa17da0910302257s15993d92u6681104a2bb2fbd6@mail.gmail.com> Glad it worked! I used that adapter with an Epson LX-800. One of those classic tractor-feeds. And I definitely had to mess with the DIP switches. I also remember something about an 'Epson emulator' cartridge for those early HP printers, that apparently made CoCo printing even better. It was either mentioned in The Rainbow magazine, or maybe it was the Princeton mailing list. I'm sure some others here might remember more details. Sean On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Chad H wrote: > Got this thing today and hooked from my Coco 2 to my HP Deskjet 540. ?At > first was garbage, then realized the printer wasn't putting out the right > power after all so had to use the Wal-wart. ? After that it 'seemed' to be > printing legit text but all on the first line of the page overwriting each > other! ?Per the info on the instruction sheet you enclosed it says the > CoCo's don't generate LF after CR..hmm obvious culprit. ?Solution was to > change the DIP switches on printer. ?Yea I remember those on old dot matrix > printers but the HP Deskjet doesn't have DIP's. ?Fortunately, the HP website > still has a reference guide to the PCL 3 language natively supported by the > DJ-540. ?Used that to send a CR=CR+LF initialization string and voila! > Prints beautifully. ?Glad to bring it out of the top of my closet and use it > again. ?Surprisingly, the thing has been stored up for several years and the > ink cartridge was not dried out. ?Of course I did remove it from the print > assembly and placed it in a plastic storage piece that had some sort of > foam/rubber pressing against the bottom of the cartridge.maybe this > protected it. > > > > Thanks again! > > - ? ? ? ? ?Chad > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From petrander at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 16:50:11 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:50:11 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Strange.... two 40 track disks on one 80 track disk? Message-ID: Hi, Some time ago I acquired this huge collection of diskettes that were part of a user group's CoCo software library. A lot of these are backups of backups so there is bound to be a lot of stuff I will be able to recover. There are a large number of diskettes that seem to contain a backup of two 40 tracks diskettes on one side of an assumed 80 track diskette. However, I can only access the first diskette of each of these backup floppies. I know because some of them have their contents listed on the envelope (or whatever you called the paper bag the diskette is in). I have a drive that can be switched from 80 to 40 tracks but that made no difference. Is there some way in HDB DOS that I am using (or RSDOS for that matter) that would enable access to the other 40 tracks and thus the other diskette backup? Thanks for any help... Cheers, Fedor From petrander at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 17:05:49 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:49 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Emulator - back to the thread's original question Message-ID: Well, to go waaaaaaay back to the orignal question that started this thread: I am not too fond of the MESS emulator, but not so much because I experienced problems, but because it's more fuzz than the awesome Vcc emulator. A drawback of Vcc is of course that it is Windows only. So I am all for a new cross-platform emulator and some time ago I even gave it a go myself, but had to abandon my plans, because I had gotten way too ambitious (if not presumptuous) compared to my skills/insight and available time. Also many platforms seem to cumbersome or not fast enough for the kind of implementation I envisaged. Still I would certainly encourage anyone to give it a go, and maybe one day I will try myself again. Using SDL would be a good idea for keeping it cross platform, but an even better idea would be using BlitzMax: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Products/_index_.php BlitzMax features an easy to grasp, BASIC-like syntax with fast graphics and it is even object-oriented! Compilers are available at an affordable price for Windows, MacOSX and Linux. If I ever would try to write an emulator I would probably use BlitzMax. Just my 5 cents... Fedor 2009/9/6 TP Reitzel > > We need an emulator to replace MESS. For almost a decade, MESS has had > recurring problems with regressions, etc. Personally, I just can't deal with > it much anymore. Various toolkits are employed which just worsens the > situation with regressions. Frankly, I have a lot of venting to do about > MESS, but I'll hold my tongue. I've stated as much as the background for our > need of an independent project. Although Vcc is likely still active, it > hasn't been updated in awhile. We need a portable, e.g. SDL, fully > implemented emulator for all CoCos whether it simply emulates historical > machines (CoCo 1-3) or contains newer features as well... > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sat Oct 31 17:08:58 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Strange.... two 40 track disks on one 80 track disk? References: Message-ID: <7268E48E32094C1C9CA8C3FD434E0AF4@speedy> My recollection was that you needed to change the track count from 0 to 39 to 40 to 79 for that drive. The second "disk" would have the same structure as a normal disk aside from the track numbering. I do not remember if it was as easy as a couple pokes, of if it was more complicated. Bruce W. ================================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" > Hi, > > Some time ago I acquired this huge collection of diskettes that were part > of > a user group's CoCo software library. A lot of these are backups of > backups > so there is bound to be a lot of stuff I will be able to recover. > > There are a large number of diskettes that seem to contain a backup of two > 40 tracks diskettes on one side of an assumed 80 track diskette. > > However, I can only access the first diskette of each of these backup > floppies. I know because some of them have their contents listed on the > envelope (or whatever you called the paper bag the diskette is in). > > I have a drive that can be switched from 80 to 40 tracks but that made no > difference. > > Is there some way in HDB DOS that I am using (or RSDOS for that matter) > that > would enable access to the other 40 tracks and thus the other diskette > backup? > > Thanks for any help... > > Cheers, > Fedor > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 31 18:48:06 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:48:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Strange.... two 40 track disks on one 80 track disk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AECBEA6.90102@worldnet.att.net> Fedor Steeman wrote: > Hi, > > Some time ago I acquired this huge collection of diskettes that were part of > a user group's CoCo software library. A lot of these are backups of backups > so there is bound to be a lot of stuff I will be able to recover. > > There are a large number of diskettes that seem to contain a backup of two > 40 tracks diskettes on one side of an assumed 80 track diskette. > > However, I can only access the first diskette of each of these backup > floppies. I know because some of them have their contents listed on the > envelope (or whatever you called the paper bag the diskette is in). > > I have a drive that can be switched from 80 to 40 tracks but that made no > difference. > > Is there some way in HDB DOS that I am using (or RSDOS for that matter) that > would enable access to the other 40 tracks and thus the other diskette > backup? > > Thanks for any help... > > Cheers, > Fedor > Fedor, You need to make sure about the disk structure. Very few Coco systems would have floppy drives that could access more than 42 or 43 tracks (of normal size) per side. Therefore it is very unlikely that these disks (assuming they are 5 1/4" disks) have 80 tracks per side. The disks could be double sided 40 or, if copy protected, 80 tracks per side with each track 9 grans instead of 18. If the disks are 3 1/2", then they could easily have 80 tracks per side. Another question would be are these disks Disk Basic or OS-9? Accessing 80 tracks with OS-9 just means changing the descriptor. With Disk Basic, you will need to override the ROM code so that higher track numbers are sent to the controller. From flexser at fiu.edu Sat Oct 31 20:55:07 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:55:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Strange.... two 40 track disks on one 80 track disk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sure the Disk Basic ROM could be patched to do this, but I think it would require quite a bit more than just a couple of pokes. For example, the locations of the directory and GAT are probably hard-coded to Track 17 in a lot of places. But I agree with Robert that you need to be sure of the structure--it is more likely that the missing files are on the back side of the disks than on tracks 40-79. (Could the disks be "flippies" that need to be inserted into the drive upside down to see the other files?) Assuming the files are all on the front side, my guess is that they were placed there by an archiving program that came with a recovery program to transfer the upper half of the disk's files back to tracks 0-39 (or maybe 0-34, if it follows standard RSDOS structure) of a second disk. You might want to look around for that program among the disks you acquired. In any case, it shouldn't be difficult to write a simple Basic program that transfers the files back to the normal part of a second disk, either using DSKI$ and DSKO$ (if I'm remembering the names correctly), or by just poking in the appropriate DSKCON parameters and executing DSKCON multiple times. Not as elegant as patching the ROMs, but a lot simpler to get working properly. Art On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Fedor Steeman wrote: > Hi, > > Some time ago I acquired this huge collection of diskettes that were part > of > a user group's CoCo software library. A lot of these are backups of backups > so there is bound to be a lot of stuff I will be able to recover. > > There are a large number of diskettes that seem to contain a backup of two > 40 tracks diskettes on one side of an assumed 80 track diskette. > > However, I can only access the first diskette of each of these backup > floppies. I know because some of them have their contents listed on the > envelope (or whatever you called the paper bag the diskette is in). > > I have a drive that can be switched from 80 to 40 tracks but that made no > difference. > > Is there some way in HDB DOS that I am using (or RSDOS for that matter) > that > would enable access to the other 40 tracks and thus the other diskette > backup? > > Thanks for any help... > > Cheers, > Fedor > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From chawks at dls.net Sat Oct 31 21:25:03 2009 From: chawks at dls.net (Christopher Hawks) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Strange.... two 40 track disks on one 80 track disk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AECE36F.4060106@dls.net> Fedor Steeman said the following on 10/31/2009 03:50 PM: > Hi, > > Some time ago I acquired this huge collection of diskettes that were part of > a user group's CoCo software library. A lot of these are backups of backups > so there is bound to be a lot of stuff I will be able to recover. > > There are a large number of diskettes that seem to contain a backup of two > 40 tracks diskettes on one side of an assumed 80 track diskette. > > However, I can only access the first diskette of each of these backup > floppies. I know because some of them have their contents listed on the > envelope (or whatever you called the paper bag the diskette is in). > > I have a drive that can be switched from 80 to 40 tracks but that made no > difference. > > Is there some way in HDB DOS that I am using (or RSDOS for that matter) that > would enable access to the other 40 tracks and thus the other diskette > backup? Fedor: It may be that the other tracks are on the other side of the disk (not as in a flippy). On a Coco 3 (or a 1 or 2 in ram) with DECB 2.1 (1.1), POKE &HD89F, &H40 will make drive 2 the backside of drive 0. Likewise POKE &HD8A0,&H41 will make drive 3 the back of drive 1. There a 4 memory locations that are the drive mask (&HD89D - &HD8A0) the relevant bits are: bit 0 - drive select 0 (&H01) bit 1 - drive select 1 (&H02) bit 2 - drive select 2 (&H04) bit 7 - side select (&H40) These can be manipulated to access any side of any (physical) drive as any drive number. -- Christopher R. Hawks HAWKSoft --------------------------------------------------------- Never meddle in the affairs of NT. It is slow to boot and quick to crash. -- Stephen Harris