From deek at d2dc.net Fri May 1 18:29:33 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 18:29:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] I think I hit a nerve with my CoCoList Survey on email. In-Reply-To: <49F14D8E.4060003@cox.net> References: <49EF3A1E.6030200@bjork-huffman.net> <49EFDAC1.8090204@bjork-huffman.net> <20090423042924.GE23835@warlock.deepthought.com> <49EFE62D.5060503@gmail.com> <49F058BF.8070301@worldnet.att.net> <49F13C67.5030304@gmail.com> <49F14D8E.4060003@cox.net> Message-ID: <49FB77CD.4050406@d2dc.net> Tim Fadden wrote: > Another option with a mail account at least for me is a web interface > for my email account. I can go there first and delete the emails I > don't want to download. > Although I have no problem with a 20mb down, 5mb up link. I like the > forum, which I check at least every other day, along with the list. I > have had better help/interaction on the forum than the list I must say > though. Except unless you're using something like Gmail, you then STILL have to download them, uncompressed, with even more HTML stuff added to make it purty for the Web users. And you have to download each message more than once, because there's more than one message per page. I find the argument that Web pages, with all their markup and images, are somehow more bandwidth-efficient than IMAP4 (where you don't download anything more than the headers unless you decide to read a message) unconvincing. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri May 1 18:35:58 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 18:35:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] I think I hit a nerve with my CoCoList Survey on email. In-Reply-To: <49FB77CD.4050406@d2dc.net> References: <49EF3A1E.6030200@bjork-huffman.net> <49F14D8E.4060003@cox.net> <49FB77CD.4050406@d2dc.net> Message-ID: <200905011835.58964.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 01 May 2009, Jeff Teunissen wrote: >Tim Fadden wrote: >> Another option with a mail account at least for me is a web interface >> for my email account. I can go there first and delete the emails I >> don't want to download. >> Although I have no problem with a 20mb down, 5mb up link. I like the >> forum, which I check at least every other day, along with the list. I >> have had better help/interaction on the forum than the list I must say >> though. > >Except unless you're using something like Gmail, you then STILL have to >download them, uncompressed, with even more HTML stuff added to make it > purty for the Web users. > Since when is gmail all html? That is the senders choice, not gmail's. I use my gmail addy for several mailing lists, mainly because vz thought they were spam because they were linux based lists, not winderz. I suck gmail using fetchmail just like I do vz and the tv stations account. Only if the sender sends pure html do I get it, which with this batch of lists, is pretty rare. [...] -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I want to so HAPPY, the VEINS in my neck STAND OUT!! From exwn8jef at gmail.com Fri May 1 19:06:19 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 19:06:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer and Windows 95 Message-ID: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> Has anyone on the list successfully used DriveWire 3 WinServer on a Win95 machine? O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home From badfrog at gmail.com Fri May 1 19:10:47 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Coco] I think I hit a nerve with my CoCoList Survey on email. In-Reply-To: <200905011835.58964.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <49EF3A1E.6030200@bjork-huffman.net> <49F14D8E.4060003@cox.net> <49FB77CD.4050406@d2dc.net> <200905011835.58964.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9efa17da0905011610x1a2e78c5qa2fa434603cd787@mail.gmail.com> >> > Since when is gmail all html? ?That is the senders choice, not gmail's. ?I use > my gmail addy for several mailing lists, mainly because vz thought they were > spam because they were linux based lists, not winderz. > > I suck gmail using fetchmail just like I do vz and the tv stations account. > Only if the sender sends pure html do I get it, which with this batch of > lists, is pretty rare. > Get this, I use Gmail with a version of Pine for windows! Talk about hardcore. :) (Do a search for Alpine). Even changed the colors so it looks like a greenscreen. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 1 19:23:31 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:23:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] minor problem Message-ID: <00a701c9cab3$d8fa2a40$8aee7ec0$@rr.com> I have a minor problem (really just an annoyance, really). I'm running DriveWire on a Windows 98 box, and whenever it reboots, I always have to set it to the Coco3 and to Com2. I thought that when it was running on the XP box, it just booted up all that stuff after I set it initially. Did I miss something? ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From snhirsch at gmail.com Fri May 1 19:24:25 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer and Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> References: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 May 2009, N8WQ wrote: > Has anyone on the list successfully used DriveWire 3 WinServer on a Win95 > machine? I've been successful on Win98 and see no reason it won't run on Win95. The Linux build works like a champ as well :-). Steve -- From tlindner at macmess.org Fri May 1 20:14:13 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:14:13 -0700 Subject: [Coco] the Rainbow, September 1982 (Volume II, number 3) Message-ID: <1iz1rrh.qg2c1vpgy6kgM%tlindner@macmess.org> Does anyone have page 105 (and 106) of this issue? I guess it was a questionare. My copy is missing it. The orginal owner filled it out and must have sent it in. I'd really like a scan of the front and back of this page. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri May 1 21:59:15 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 21:59:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] I think I hit a nerve with my CoCoList Survey on email. In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0905011610x1a2e78c5qa2fa434603cd787@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EF3A1E.6030200@bjork-huffman.net> <200905011835.58964.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <9efa17da0905011610x1a2e78c5qa2fa434603cd787@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905012159.15958.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 01 May 2009, Sean wrote: >> Since when is gmail all html? That is the senders choice, not gmail's. I >> use my gmail addy for several mailing lists, mainly because vz thought >> they were spam because they were linux based lists, not winderz. >> >> I suck gmail using fetchmail just like I do vz and the tv stations >> account. Only if the sender sends pure html do I get it, which with this >> batch of lists, is pretty rare. > >Get this, I use Gmail with a version of Pine for windows! Talk about >hardcore. :) Hummph! Hardcore suffrage that is, inflicting pine on a winderz box, shame. OTOH, Pine is probably the most stable app ever compared to windows. At least you can't blame a BSOD on Pine. But I haven't used pine in a decade, did use mutt for a while, but kmail is the ultimate in configurable for me and has been for several years. >(Do a search for Alpine). > >Even changed the colors so it looks like a greenscreen. My eyes prefer an amber/peachy tone, and blue is getting hard to focus at my age, darnit. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall! All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Had scrambled eggs for breakfast again! From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:43:30 2009 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:43:30 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer and Windows 95 In-Reply-To: References: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0905011943t68658d91xca3188ecc34702e2@mail.gmail.com> It may require 32- bit socket drivers (Win32s, if I recall correctly). On 5/1/09, Steven Hirsch wrote: > On Fri, 1 May 2009, N8WQ wrote: > >> Has anyone on the list successfully used DriveWire 3 WinServer on a Win95 >> machine? > > I've been successful on Win98 and see no reason it won't run on Win95. > > The Linux build works like a champ as well :-). > > Steve > > > -- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- -- Rod Barnhart From news at wzydhek.com Fri May 1 22:44:40 2009 From: news at wzydhek.com (news at wzydhek.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:44:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Anyone know how to contact Art Flexser? Message-ID: <0AA527D252484A99A9673A25284288F6@waltws> I am trying to email him to see if he still has Extended ADOS for coco 3 available to sell and how much it costs. I have been tinkering with MESS and might be interested in trying it out on the emulator or perhaps contributing to MESS to make sure it's 100% compatible with ADOS. -Walt Zydhek From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:49:08 2009 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:49:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Anyone know how to contact Art Flexser? In-Reply-To: <0AA527D252484A99A9673A25284288F6@waltws> References: <0AA527D252484A99A9673A25284288F6@waltws> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0905011949u6426e89ascaa23db8e5a07c40@mail.gmail.com> He has allowed several of us to post it for free download. I have it at http://www.nitemarecafe.com/coco/ if you can't find it elsewhere. On 5/1/09, news at wzydhek.com wrote: > I am trying to email him to see if he still has Extended ADOS for coco 3 > available to sell and how much it costs. I have been tinkering with MESS and > might be interested in trying it out on the emulator or perhaps contributing > to MESS to make sure it's 100% compatible with ADOS. > > -Walt Zydhek > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- -- Rod Barnhart From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:54:04 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:54:04 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Anyone know how to contact Art Flexser? References: <0AA527D252484A99A9673A25284288F6@waltws> Message-ID: Art Flexer is a member of this list. AFAIK, ADOS is now available on the 'net, but Art will verify this I'm sure. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Anyone know how to contact Art Flexser? >I am trying to email him to see if he still has Extended ADOS for coco 3 > available to sell and how much it costs. I have been tinkering with MESS > and > might be interested in trying it out on the emulator or perhaps > contributing > to MESS to make sure it's 100% compatible with ADOS. > > -Walt Zydhek > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From ki0kt.10 at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:20:04 2009 From: ki0kt.10 at gmail.com (radioactive_10) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 02:20:04 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Coco3 and Acc. for sale Message-ID: I think I can put this here, if not could someone let me know where to post this. I have decided I don't have enough time for my Color Computer anymore. I hate to get rid of everything, but I want it to go to good use. I have the following: Coco 3 512K Multi-pak modded to work with the computer RS-232 pak Disk controller with dual floppy drives Misc books and floppy disks Asking $125 + shipping. I don't really want to split stuff up. If anyone is in Mn and wants to pick it up, that would be great. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Fri May 1 23:11:36 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 23:11:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] minor problem In-Reply-To: <00a701c9cab3$d8fa2a40$8aee7ec0$@rr.com> References: <00a701c9cab3$d8fa2a40$8aee7ec0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49FBB9E8.5030708@worldnet.att.net> Bill wrote: > I have a minor problem (really just an annoyance, really). I'm running > DriveWire on a Windows 98 box, and whenever it reboots, I always have to set > it to the Coco3 and to Com2. I thought that when it was running on the XP > box, it just booted up all that stuff after I set it initially. Did I miss > something? > I don't have any problems on my Win98SE system. The first time DriveWire was started, it said "no device" was connected. Using the drop down arrow, COM1 and COM3 were listed. I selected COM1 as I am using the serial port not the modem. Communication with the Coco worked perfectly. On rebooting Win98SE, it was not necessary to make any changes to DriveWire. When the server was started, it remembered that COM1 was the selected port. From zootzoot at stephenrc.com Fri May 1 22:54:56 2009 From: zootzoot at stephenrc.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 22:54:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Anyone know how to contact Art Flexser? In-Reply-To: <0AA527D252484A99A9673A25284288F6@waltws> References: <0AA527D252484A99A9673A25284288F6@waltws> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 May 2009 22:44:40 -0400, had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >I am trying to email him to see if he still has Extended ADOS for coco 3 >available to sell and how much it costs. I have been tinkering with MESS and >might be interested in trying it out on the emulator or perhaps contributing >to MESS to make sure it's 100% compatible with ADOS. > >-Walt Zydhek It's available at ftp.maltedmedia.com -- Stephen Become a programmer and never see the world!!! From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sat May 2 00:40:31 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 00:40:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] minor problem In-Reply-To: <49FBB9E8.5030708@worldnet.att.net> References: <00a701c9cab3$d8fa2a40$8aee7ec0$@rr.com> <49FBB9E8.5030708@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <00c301c9cae0$243f8f00$6cbead00$@rr.com> I have set what I want the operating functions to be (Coco 3 @ 115200 bps, Com2, and statistics, and the .dsk image I want to use). But when I reboot, it goes back to default (Coco 2 @ 57,600 bps, No device, and neither Logging or Statistics checked, and no .dsk chosen.) Like I said, more annoying than a problem, but annoying none the less > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:12 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] minor problem > > I don't have any problems on my Win98SE system. The first time > DriveWire > was started, it said "no device" was connected. Using the drop down > arrow, COM1 and COM3 were listed. I selected COM1 as I am using the > serial port not the modem. Communication with the Coco worked > perfectly. > > On rebooting Win98SE, it was not necessary to make any changes to > DriveWire. When the server was started, it remembered that COM1 was the > selected port. > From hyperfrog at gmail.com Sat May 2 01:58:53 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 01:58:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer and Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0905011943t68658d91xca3188ecc34702e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0905011943t68658d91xca3188ecc34702e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FBE11D.30305@gmail.com> Rod Barnhart wrote: > It may require 32- bit socket drivers (Win32s, if I recall correctly). > Win32s was an add-on to Windows 3.1 to let it run some 32-bit applications by translating 32-bit calls to their equivalent 16-bit calls. As every other Windows 9x OS, Windows 95 is a Win32 platform (though not a stable one IMHO) and does not require Win32s. From news at wzydhek.com Sat May 2 05:25:02 2009 From: news at wzydhek.com (news at wzydhek.com) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 05:25:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Anyone know how to contact Art Flexser? In-Reply-To: References: <0AA527D252484A99A9673A25284288F6@waltws> Message-ID: ok I downloaded the 2 files, ados3.dsk and ados3ext.dsk. Seems ados3.dsk is ok, but I get nothing FS errors trying to load anything from ados3ext.dsk. Hexdumping ados3ext.dsk it appears the granmap is messed up (perhaps other sectors too?). -Walt Zydhek > -----Original Message----- > From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Castello > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:55 PM > To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Anyone know how to > contact Art Flexser? > > On Fri, 1 May 2009 22:44:40 -0400, had a flock of > green cheek conures squawk out: > > >I am trying to email him to see if he still has Extended > ADOS for coco 3 > >available to sell and how much it costs. I have been > tinkering with MESS and > >might be interested in trying it out on the emulator or > perhaps contributing > >to MESS to make sure it's 100% compatible with ADOS. > > > >-Walt Zydhek > > It's available at ftp.maltedmedia.com > > -- > > Stephen > > Become a programmer and never see the world!!! > > > ------------------------------------ > > Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > From badfrog at gmail.com Sat May 2 12:00:55 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:00:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Coco3 and Acc. for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9efa17da0905020900q205825cbg348d498c27a4b5a1@mail.gmail.com> I'm interested in your setup if it's still available, but I'd be surprised if you haven't already had a ton of offers... Sean On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:20 PM, radioactive_10 wrote: > I think I can put this here, if not could someone let me know where to post this. > > I have decided I don't have enough time for my Color Computer anymore. I hate to get rid of everything, but I want it to go to good use. I have the following: > Coco 3 512K > Multi-pak modded to work with the computer > RS-232 pak > Disk controller with dual floppy drives > Misc books and floppy disks > > Asking $125 + shipping. I don't really want to split stuff up. If anyone is in Mn and wants to pick it up, that would be great. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Sat May 2 16:24:11 2009 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:24:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer and Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <49FBE11D.30305@gmail.com> References: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0905011943t68658d91xca3188ecc34702e2@mail.gmail.com> <49FBE11D.30305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0905021324w364dd7fk85685144fad6662c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. I was sleep-deprived when I resppopnded to that ;) On 5/2/09, Christian Lesage wrote: > Rod Barnhart wrote: >> It may require 32- bit socket drivers (Win32s, if I recall correctly). >> > Win32s was an add-on to Windows 3.1 to let it run some 32-bit > applications by translating 32-bit calls to their equivalent 16-bit > calls. As every other Windows 9x OS, Windows 95 is a Win32 platform > (though not a stable one IMHO) and does not require Win32s. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- -- Rod Barnhart From tonym at compusource.net Sat May 2 17:27:15 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 21:27:15 GMT Subject: [Coco] Burke & Burke XT-RTC Message-ID: <200905021727921.SM06052@[208.76.35.239]> Before I eBay it, anyone interested in a complete setup? I'd like to get my $100 back out of it + shipping. Includes: XT-RTC interface WD MFM controller B&B XT-ROM 3.0 ( yes, working, and yes, I dumped it - reply if you want the ROM image) External HD case with IBM 0665-53 MFM HD and cables original manual original disks for both the XT-ROM and the XT-RTC 2 printouts with updates The XT-RTC works, and the XT-ROM works, as it boots up saying XT-ROM 3.0 and then does a 512K memory check on the CC3 I'm trying it on. No idea on the HDD, though. Does SuperDriver support the B&B XT to install to? Also have a decent CC3 with original Tandy 512K upgrade, $75+s/h These items are in Florida Tony From storycrafter at gmail.com Sat May 2 17:44:46 2009 From: storycrafter at gmail.com (Mark Martin) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:44:46 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Coco3 and Acc. for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:20 PM, radioactive_10 wrote: > I think I can put this here, if not could someone let me know where to post this. > > I have decided I don't have enough time for my Color Computer anymore. I hate to get rid of everything, but I want it to go to good use. I have the following: > Coco 3 512K > Multi-pak modded to work with the computer > RS-232 pak > Disk controller with dual floppy drives > Misc books and floppy disks > > Asking $125 + shipping. I don't really want to split stuff up. If anyone is in Mn and wants to pick it up, that would be great. > > I'm interested if haven't sold it already. You probably could eBay it for more, though :) > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sat May 2 19:25:49 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 19:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] minor problem In-Reply-To: <00c301c9cae0$243f8f00$6cbead00$@rr.com> References: <00a701c9cab3$d8fa2a40$8aee7ec0$@rr.com> <49FBB9E8.5030708@worldnet.att.net> <00c301c9cae0$243f8f00$6cbead00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49FCD67D.1050603@worldnet.att.net> Well, there is no reason why DriveWire should work differently on your system than mine unless we are not using the same version of DW. Download the current version of DW and see if you get the same results. Bill wrote: > I have set what I want the operating functions to be (Coco 3 @ 115200 bps, > Com2, and statistics, and the .dsk image I want to use). But when I reboot, > it goes back to default (Coco 2 @ 57,600 bps, No device, and neither Logging > or Statistics checked, and no .dsk chosen.) Like I said, more annoying than > a problem, but annoying none the less > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:12 PM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] minor problem >> >> I don't have any problems on my Win98SE system. The first time >> DriveWire > was started, it said "no device" was connected. Using the drop > down >> arrow, COM1 and COM3 were listed. I selected COM1 as I am using the >> serial port not the modem. Communication with the Coco worked >> perfectly. >> >> On rebooting Win98SE, it was not necessary to make any changes to >> DriveWire. When the server was started, it remembered that COM1 was the >> selected port. >> From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 3 03:37:51 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 07:37:51 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hot CoCo Magazines Wanted Message-ID: I have finished all of 1985 and i have only a handfull of 1983 if anyone has any of these kicking round please lets get them scanned If you dont wish to scan them yourself you can send them to me and i can get it done.email me of lit if you wish to discuss further these are every easy to scan as they are stapled together so the magazines will not get damaged at all in the scanning process From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 3 16:10:32 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:10:32 GMT Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup Message-ID: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> How long should the physical+logical format take? It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B drivers... Tony From t.fadden at cox.net Sun May 3 16:25:10 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:25:10 -0700 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <49FDFDA6.5070102@cox.net> Don't know what time zone your in. Let it go! give it at least 24 hours. If its still flashin and clickin, don't abort it! Tim tonym wrote: > How long should the physical+logical format take? > It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click > > Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B drivers... > > > Tony > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun May 3 17:36:18 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:36:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup References: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> <49FDFDA6.5070102@cox.net> Message-ID: <5B8C86AE1F444E42A0225517FBB54537@speedy> At CoCo speed it takes most of a night to DSAVE 10 megabytes from one drive to another. I suspect a full format of 42 megabytes won't go any faster. ;) Bruce W. > Don't know what time zone your in. Let it go! give it at least 24 hours. > If its still flashin and clickin, don't abort it! > > Tim > > > tonym wrote: >> How long should the physical+logical format take? >> It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click >> >> Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B >> drivers... >> >> >> Tony From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 3 18:17:35 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:17:35 GMT Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup Message-ID: <200905031817328.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> You received the XT-ROM image, yes? Tony -----Original Message----- From: Bruce W. Calkins brucewcalkins at charter.net Sent 5/3/2009 5:36:18 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup At CoCo speed it takes most of a night to DSAVE 10 megabytes from one drive to another. I suspect a full format of 42 megabytes won't go any faster. ;) Bruce W. Don't know what time zone your in. Let it go! give it at least 24 hours. If its still flashin and clickin, don't abort it! Tim tonym wrote: How long should the physical+logical format take? It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B drivers... Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun May 3 20:34:09 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:34:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <200905032034.09551.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 03 May 2009, tonym wrote: >How long should the physical+logical format take? Physical+logical is maybe 2 or 3 minutes because there is no physical on a hard drive, even one that old. Logical consists of writing LNS0, then the FAT which is however much of 64kb the number of sectors available on the disk is divided by 8 since one bit is a sector for that sized drive, and the root directories file descriptor sector, and the root directory itself. This is a very quick process and the ramddisk 'myram' actually does this in the few milliseconds lag between requesting an access to it with a "dir /r0" before it shows the empty directory to you. The click click is the verify phase, where it verifies every sector on the disk, and any bad sectors are marked in the FATable as used. That takes a while. And the drive has to go back and write the next sector of the FAT each time it has verified 256*8 sectors, or 2048 of them, and that represents 524,288 bytes of disk. That is a 42meg disk, so it will do that at least 84 times. Those will be double-clicks when it does that, the regular ones are just the next track seeks. dcheck won't like that if there are some that fail the read check, so when I was using a 30 meg seagate RLL drive, I used dEd to create, byte by byte, a file whose file descriptor sector accounted for all those bad sectors. But be sure and use a good sector for the file descriptor. :) And the limiting FD.SEG count is 48, so if there are more bad sectors than that, you'll need to create additional files for. Name them dcheck-bad-sectors-0, dcheck-bad- sectors-1 or something similar to remind you to never delete them. >It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click On a 42 megger, on a B&B, it should be about done by now. On my 130 meg Maxtor, it was a bit over 30 hours AIR, but the disto interface I used with the maxtor is over 2x faster than the B&B. 13 secs for a megaread... I think, heck, that was about 20 years ago, on a coco2! >Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B drivers... You will want to replace that with Nitros9 of course, its faster. :) > >Tony > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is a lesson which all history teaches wise men, to put trust in ideas, and not in circumstances. -- Emerson From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 3 20:50:58 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 00:50:58 GMT Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup Message-ID: <200905032050812.SM06060@[208.76.35.239]> This setup is sold - I'm just checking out the drive... It is STILL going...click...click...click going on about 19 hours! Tony -----Original Message----- From: Gene Heskett gene.heskett at verizon.net Sent 5/3/2009 8:34:09 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup On Sunday 03 May 2009, tonym wrote: How long should the physical+logical format take? Physical+logical is maybe 2 or 3 minutes because there is no physical on a hard drive, even one that old. Logical consists of writing LNS0, then the FAT which is however much of 64kb the number of sectors available on the disk is divided by 8 since one bit is a sector for that sized drive, and the root directories file descriptor sector, and the root directory itself. This is a very quick process and the ramddisk 'myram' actually does this in the few milliseconds lag between requesting an access to it with a "dir /r0" before it shows the empty directory to you. The click click is the verify phase, where it verifies every sector on the disk, and any bad sectors are marked in the FATable as used. That takes a while. And the drive has to go back and write the next sector of the FAT each time it has verified 256*8 sectors, or 2048 of them, and that represents 524,288 bytes of disk. That is a 42meg disk, so it will do that at least 84 times. Those will be double-clicks when it does that, the regular ones are just the next track seeks. dcheck won't like that if there are some that fail the read check, so when I was using a 30 meg seagate RLL drive, I used dEd to create, byte by byte, a file whose file descriptor sector accounted for all those bad sectors. But be sure and use a good sector for the file descriptor. :) And the limiting FD.SEG count is 48, so if there are more bad sectors than that, you'll need to create additional files for. Name them dcheck-bad-sectors-0, dcheck-bad- sectors-1 or something similar to remind you to never delete them. It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click On a 42 megger, on a B&B, it should be about done by now. On my 130 meg Maxtor, it was a bit over 30 hours AIR, but the disto interface I used with the maxtor is over 2x faster than the B&B. 13 secs for a megaread... I think, heck, that was about 20 years ago, on a coco2! Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B drivers... You will want to replace that with Nitros9 of course, its faster. :) Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is a lesson which all history teaches wise men, to put trust in ideas, and not in circumstances. -- Emerson -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun May 3 21:29:07 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup References: <200905031817328.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <0F7C2813A3EB4E3786691059F779308F@speedy> Yes, I got a copy of the XT-ROM. Not that I have had any time to do anything except file it. My CoCo hard drive system uses a Disto SCSI interface to an Adaptec MFM adapter running a pair of Maxtor XT-2190 drives. It has been a while since I have formatted a drive, but I remember it takes a while. Bruce W. > You received the XT-ROM image, yes? > > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce W. Calkins > At CoCo speed it takes most of a night to DSAVE 10 megabytes from one > drive > to another. I suspect a full format of 42 megabytes won't go any faster. > > ;) > > Bruce W. > > > > > Don't know what time zone your in. Let it go! give it at least 24 hours. > If its still flashin and clickin, don't abort it! > > Tim > > > tonym wrote: > How long should the physical+logical format take? > It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click > > Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B drivers... > > > Tony > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun May 3 22:39:15 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:39:15 +1000 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup References: <200905032050812.SM06060@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: A couple of questions spring to mind. Does the drive have all its jumpers set correctly, and is the termination set correctly? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tonym" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup > This setup is sold - I'm just checking out the drive... > > It is STILL going...click...click...click > > going on about 19 hours! > > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Heskett gene.heskett at verizon.net > Sent 5/3/2009 8:34:09 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup > > On Sunday 03 May 2009, tonym wrote: > How long should the physical+logical format take? > > Physical+logical is maybe 2 or 3 minutes because there is no physical on a > hard drive, even one that old. Logical consists of writing LNS0, then the > FAT > which is however much of 64kb the number of sectors available on the disk > is > divided by 8 since one bit is a sector for that sized drive, and the root > directories file descriptor sector, and the root directory itself. This is > a > very quick process and the ramddisk 'myram' actually does this in the few > milliseconds lag between requesting an access to it with a "dir /r0" > before it > shows the empty directory to you. The click click is the verify phase, > where > it verifies every sector on the disk, and any bad sectors are marked in > the > FATable as used. That takes a while. And the drive has to go back and > write > the next sector of the FAT each time it has verified 256*8 sectors, or > 2048 of > them, and that represents 524,288 bytes of disk. That is a 42meg disk, so > it > will do that at least 84 times. Those will be double-clicks when it does > that, the regular ones are just the next track seeks. > > dcheck won't like that if there are some that fail the read check, so when > I > was using a 30 meg seagate RLL drive, I used dEd to create, byte by byte, > a > file whose file descriptor sector accounted for all those bad sectors. But > be > sure and use a good sector for the file descriptor. :) And the limiting > FD.SEG count is 48, so if there are more bad sectors than that, you'll > need to > create additional files for. Name them dcheck-bad-sectors-0, dcheck-bad- > sectors-1 or something similar to remind you to never delete them. > > It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click > > On a 42 megger, on a B&B, it should be about done by now. On my 130 meg > Maxtor, it was a bit over 30 hours AIR, but the disto interface I used > with > the maxtor is over 2x faster than the B&B. 13 secs for a megaread... I > think, > heck, that was about 20 years ago, on a coco2! > > Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B drivers... > > You will want to replace that with Nitros9 of course, its faster. :) > > > Tony > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > It is a lesson which all history teaches wise men, to put trust in ideas, > and not in circumstances. > -- Emerson > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 3 22:46:29 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 02:46:29 GMT Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup Message-ID: <20090503224600.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> It's inside an external case, which I haven't opened yet. Who knows - drive may be bad by now, or might've been bad 10 years ago! Tony -----Original Message----- From: Bob Devries devries.bob at gmail.com Sent 5/3/2009 10:39:15 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup A couple of questions spring to mind. Does the drive have all its jumpers set correctly, and is the termination set correctly? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tonym" tonym at compusource.net To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup This setup is sold - I'm just checking out the drive... It is STILL going...click...click...click going on about 19 hours! Tony -----Original Message----- From: Gene Heskett gene.heskett at verizon.net Sent 5/3/2009 8:34:09 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup On Sunday 03 May 2009, tonym wrote: How long should the physical+logical format take? Physical+logical is maybe 2 or 3 minutes because there is no physical on a hard drive, even one that old. Logical consists of writing LNS0, then the FAT which is however much of 64kb the number of sectors available on the disk is divided by 8 since one bit is a sector for that sized drive, and the root directories file descriptor sector, and the root directory itself. This is a very quick process and the ramddisk 'myram' actually does this in the few milliseconds lag between requesting an access to it with a "dir /r0" before it shows the empty directory to you. The click click is the verify phase, where it verifies every sector on the disk, and any bad sectors are marked in the FATable as used. That takes a while. And the drive has to go back and write the next sector of the FAT each time it has verified 256*8 sectors, or 2048 of them, and that represents 524,288 bytes of disk. That is a 42meg disk, so it will do that at least 84 times. Those will be double-clicks when it does that, the regular ones are just the next track seeks. dcheck won't like that if there are some that fail the read check, so when I was using a 30 meg seagate RLL drive, I used dEd to create, byte by byte, a file whose file descriptor sector accounted for all those bad sectors. But be sure and use a good sector for the file descriptor. :) And the limiting FD.SEG count is 48, so if there are more bad sectors than that, you'll need to create additional files for. Name them dcheck-bad-sectors-0, dcheck-bad- sectors-1 or something similar to remind you to never delete them. It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click On a 42 megger, on a B&B, it should be about done by now. On my 130 meg Maxtor, it was a bit over 30 hours AIR, but the disto interface I used with the maxtor is over 2x faster than the B&B. 13 secs for a megaread... I think, heck, that was about 20 years ago, on a coco2! Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B drivers... You will want to replace that with Nitros9 of course, its faster. :) Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is a lesson which all history teaches wise men, to put trust in ideas, and not in circumstances. -- Emerson -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From snhirsch at gmail.com Mon May 4 08:45:02 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: <0F7C2813A3EB4E3786691059F779308F@speedy> References: <200905031817328.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> <0F7C2813A3EB4E3786691059F779308F@speedy> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 May 2009, Bruce W. Calkins wrote: > Yes, I got a copy of the XT-ROM. Not that I have had any time to do > anything except file it. My CoCo hard drive system uses a Disto SCSI > interface to an Adaptec MFM adapter running a pair of Maxtor XT-2190 > drives. It has been a while since I have formatted a drive, but I > remember it takes a while. Ah, yes. The XT-2190 was, I believe, the highest capacity MFM drive ever manufactured and one of the hardest to find. I miss that light-dimming surge of startup current :-). -- From snhirsch at gmail.com Mon May 4 08:46:43 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: <200905032034.09551.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> <200905032034.09551.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 May 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B drivers... > > You will want to replace that with Nitros9 of course, its faster. :) I have a question about that: Does anyone know if the B&B utility that patches the OS-9 bootloader will work with NitroOS9? Of, if not, whether there's a workaround to get the latter to boot from the hard drive. Steve -- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon May 4 11:01:34 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:01:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: References: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> <200905032034.09551.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200905041101.34241.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 04 May 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Sun, 3 May 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B >>> drivers... >> >> You will want to replace that with Nitros9 of course, its faster. :) > >I have a question about that: Does anyone know if the B&B utility that >patches the OS-9 bootloader will work with NitroOS9? Of, if not, whether >there's a workaround to get the latter to boot from the hard drive. > >Steve Once you have downloaded and unpacked to floppy's, the nitros9 that fits your system, there are 'boot' modules that can be substituted in the mb scripts that should be able to do this. I also recommend the current version of hdbdos which has several nice features such a boot choice menu. See the cloud9 site. This replaces the dos in your floppy controller, and can if properly setup, allow access to the os9 boot track images on the hard drive from rsdos basic, and vice versa from os9. I have half a 1GB scsi drive as os9, and the other half as 255 selectable rsdos virtual disks, or os9 boot images. In my case I believe the hdbdos is installed in one of Marks TC^3 scsi controllers, and a disto nohalt without the 4n1 card is used for the floppy controller. Or it could be I put that eprom in the disto Now I do any software devel work on linux right here on this box, and download the results to the coco. Much easier on a 1680x1050 screen. For that you need the latest copy of Toolshed, which includes the mamou assembler which can rebuild the complete nitros9-3.2.8 distribution in just a couple of minutes on this machine, a quad core phenom 9550 & 4GB ram setup with a couple terrabytes of drives. Which doesn't seem too important right now. Our rain gauge here in N. Central WV is up to 4", 2+ of that since about dusk last night, and every hairline crack in the basement floor is seeping. I don't know where to start with the wet-r-dry vac, but just spent 20 minutes trying to do some good. So I know what the rest of the day will amount to. Heck of a way to spend a monday. :( -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au Mon May 4 11:02:21 2009 From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Can Carl England contact me Message-ID: <681722.36298.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Carl need to find out if you ever used Backup Magic to make backup copies of Magic of Zanth. I made a successful copy. But the graphics are scrambled when it is loaded up. Let me know what you get when you make backups of this particular game. Contact me at tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au laters Briza Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Mon May 4 11:50:36 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 08:50:36 -0700 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905031610140.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <49FF0ECC.2030401@bjork-huffman.net> Could it be that the 20+ year old hard drive just does not work any more? You have so many modern chooses for large and fast storage on a CoCo. There is the well tested Super IDE with both IDE hard drive and flash options. As for free options there are DriveWire 3 and soon to be released CoCoNet that both give you even faster storage. (Yes, a PC is needed to used these programs but we can tell that you already have one since you are reading this message. Be it Windows, Linux or MAC OS-10) In this day and age, 42 Megabytes is not a lot of storage, even for a CoCo. Even the small flash card that Cloud-9 sells for the Super IDE is over 10 times the size of that drive. Around my office, I got about 6,500,000 Megabytes of local storage in the form of computers hard drives, NAS and backup units. I just got another 1,000,000 Megabyte (1TB) hard drive over the weekend to expand one of my systems. (I was at Fry's and they had it on sell for only $97 and $2 less than the 1/2 TB that I was going to get.) Storage is cheap! For me, I can't see why you are trying to get that old hardware working since there are so many new products for your beloved CoCo that work so much better. (We know that you are NOT trying to get data off this old hard drive since you are trying to format it.) Just something to think about, Steve Bjork P.S. Later today, I'll be posting a message on my view of our CoCo in this modern age of computers. So, if you are filling the need to take shots at this post, please wait for the real target. tonym wrote: > How long should the physical+logical format take? > It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click > > Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B drivers... > > > Tony > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From brucewcalkins at charter.net Mon May 4 12:37:10 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:37:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup References: <200905031817328.SM01164@[208.76.35.239]><0F7C2813A3EB4E3786691059F779308F@speedy> Message-ID: <902A205E164D44D395C0B7AE089677ED@speedy> LOL; At 4 disks and 8 heads in a full height 5.25 format they do have some mass to them. That and they were also one of the most popular for some sort of audio recording and hacking unit used in radio stations. I got the first from a Radio guy when his station upgraded and snagged the rest from eBay. One was DOA, but I found a circuit board on eBay for it and resurrected it. I still hope to get all four of them on line with the CoCo someday. I will however need to find the details on the trace cutting hack needed to allow two of the Adaptec boards to co-exist, which is why it did not work way-back-when. I still check eBay for them now and then, but the prices most people want for them these days is way far out of my price range. Funny thing is, they don't seem to be selling them either. > Ah, yes. The XT-2190 was, I believe, the highest capacity MFM drive ever > manufactured and one of the hardest to find. I miss that light-dimming > surge of startup current :-). From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Mon May 4 16:04:31 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <692634.67267.qm@web52308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I'd like to build myself an emulated COCO using any old color computer case. I'd prefer to get a coco3 case, but anyone will do. Please contact me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com . Thanks. From steve at batsonphotography.com Mon May 4 17:18:53 2009 From: steve at batsonphotography.com (steve) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:18:53 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <4f09f781$6139d473$73e5a812$@com> I'm totally confused by this. Are you wanting to build a system that uses one of the emulators to run CoCo software on the PC or Mac but put it in the case? Or, are you wanting to make your own hardware to emulate a CoCo using a CoCo case? I'm assuming the later is not the case. So, the question is, why on earth would you try to build a computer into a CoCo case to run an emulator that would run on any PC under Windows, Linux, or on a Mac running Mac OSX. Here's why I'm questioning it... The CoCo case is fine for handling CoCo hardware that it was designed for. But, a PC or Mac requires more hardware, powersupply, etc and all of the ports are different than what the Coco case is built for. My point is all that hardware is not going to fit into a CoCo case, and should you get it to fit, it's going to be gigantic mess. Anyway, I'm really curious to have more detail on what you are trying to do. Steve ---------------------------------------- From: "Ben Jimenez" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:04 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Hi, I'd like to build myself an emulated COCO using any old color computer case. I'd prefer to get a coco3 case, but anyone will do. Please contact me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com . Thanks. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Mon May 4 20:59:40 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 17:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. In-Reply-To: <4f09f781$6139d473$73e5a812$@com> References: <4f09f781$6139d473$73e5a812$@com> Message-ID: <49FF8F7C.4010003@bjork-huffman.net> If you knew more about PC hardware then you would not be so confused by Ben's message. For a while there has been a number of complete PC boards smaller than CoCo 2 board. I've even seen a PC put inside a model of the Millennium Falcon from Star Wars and the first Nintendo Game system case. These cases had much less room than a CoCo. Small PC called Net-Tops are the big item right now in the computer market. (Along with Net-Books) I just installed a MSI Net-Top 100 with an Intel Atom 330 and 945GC graphic chip set for one of my clients. It's less than 12" by 9" by 3" with a 3.5" hard drive and DVD drive and was hidden in a desk drawer. While not small enough to fit in a CoCo case it does show the direction of one of the PC markets. Last January at the CES, Nvidia demonstrated their new Ion platform base on the Intel Atom 330 and Geforce 9400M graphics chip set. Not only does this platform have more power that the MIS Net-Top 100, (it can drive a home theater) it's only 6" by 5" by 1.2" with hard drive and all interfaces. (Both DVI and VGA out, Audio and 4 USB ports.) By the way, the new Mac Mini is based on the Ion system. Both Ion and the CoCo 4 I/O board will fit inside a CoCo 3 case. With the optional I/O board you can plug your CoCo joysticks, cassette, serial port hardware right into the CoCo 3 case and use that stuff with the CoCo 4 emulator. But the best trick is the 40 pin cartridge port! Plug in your Floppy Disk Controller, Speech Sound Pak, Multi_Pak, Game Pak and more and use them just like a real CoCo. Even the Power and Reset buttons along with the Keyboard work just like a real CoCo. (Fun Note: Turn off the power in the RF output mode will give you white noise (static) on both the screen and audio out just like a real CoCo hooked up to a T.V.) It's true that a DVD drive will not fit in case with all that other hardware. But, the Coco's floppy drives were external units too. As you now see, what Ben is doing it real and no need for confusion. Steve Bjork another steve wrote: > I'm totally confused by this. > > Are you wanting to build a system that uses one of the emulators to run > CoCo software on the PC or Mac but put it in the case? Or, are you wanting > to make your own hardware to emulate a CoCo using a CoCo case? > > I'm assuming the later is not the case. So, the question is, why on earth > would you try to build a computer into a CoCo case to run an emulator that > would run on any PC under Windows, Linux, or on a Mac running Mac OSX. > > Here's why I'm questioning it... > > The CoCo case is fine for handling CoCo hardware that it was designed for. > But, a PC or Mac requires more hardware, powersupply, etc and all of the > ports are different than what the Coco case is built for. My point is all > that hardware is not going to fit into a CoCo case, and should you get it > to fit, it's going to be gigantic mess. > > Anyway, I'm really curious to have more detail on what you are trying to > do. > > Steve > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: "Ben Jimenez" > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:04 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > > Hi, > > I'd like to build myself an emulated COCO using any old color computer > case. I'd prefer to get a coco3 case, but anyone will do. Please contact me > at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com . Thanks. > > From deek at d2dc.net Mon May 4 21:18:20 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 21:18:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] I think I hit a nerve with my CoCoList Survey on email. In-Reply-To: <200905011835.58964.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <49EF3A1E.6030200@bjork-huffman.net> <49F14D8E.4060003@cox.net> <49FB77CD.4050406@d2dc.net> <200905011835.58964.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49FF93DC.2010107@d2dc.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 01 May 2009, Jeff Teunissen wrote: >>Tim Fadden wrote: >>> Another option with a mail account at least for me is a web interface >>> for my email account. I can go there first and delete the emails I >>> don't want to download. >>> Although I have no problem with a 20mb down, 5mb up link. I like the >>> forum, which I check at least every other day, along with the list. I >>> have had better help/interaction on the forum than the list I must say >>> though. >> >>Except unless you're using something like Gmail, you then STILL have to >>download them, uncompressed, with even more HTML stuff added to make it >> purty for the Web users. >> > Since when is gmail all html? That is the senders choice, not gmail's. I use > my gmail addy for several mailing lists, mainly because vz thought they were > spam because they were linux based lists, not winderz. I said _unless_ you're using Gmail. Also, Web-mail interfaces wrap ALL email, regardless of format, up in a HTML wrapper. That is, after all, the whole point. Further, those (including even Gmail itself) who format the stuff as "conversations" blow away any potential efficiency benefit over POP3, as whenever you want to read an email you have to download not only the one you want to read, but also all the other messages in that thread. I, too, use Gmail for a few addresses. 'Cept I use Thunderbird IMAP directly on the Google servers, leaving my local mailboxes to handle local messages and the stuff fetchmail pulls from my spam source^W^WISP. From coder32768 at gmail.com Mon May 4 23:43:57 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:43:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Burke & Burke XT-RTC In-Reply-To: <200905021727921.SM06052@208.76.35.239> References: <200905021727921.SM06052@208.76.35.239> Message-ID: Has anyone snagged this yet? if so I'm interested. On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 2:27 PM, tonym wrote: > Before I eBay it, anyone interested in a complete setup? > I'd like to get my $100 back out of it + shipping. > > Includes: > XT-RTC interface > WD MFM controller > B&B XT-ROM 3.0 ( yes, working, and yes, I dumped it - reply if you want the ROM image) > External HD case with IBM 0665-53 MFM HD and cables > original manual > original disks for both the XT-ROM and the XT-RTC > 2 printouts with updates > > The XT-RTC works, and the XT-ROM works, as it boots up saying XT-ROM 3.0 > and then does a 512K memory check on the CC3 I'm trying it on. > > No idea on the HDD, though. > > Does SuperDriver support the B&B XT to install to? > > Also have a decent CC3 with original Tandy 512K upgrade, $75+s/h > > These items are in Florida > > > Tony > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From coder32768 at gmail.com Mon May 4 23:45:03 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Burke & Burke XT-RTC In-Reply-To: References: <200905021727921.SM06052@208.76.35.239> Message-ID: Er, if *not* I'm interested. Actually, I'm interested either way, but on the "if so" side of the decision tree, I'm probably out of luck :-D On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Rick Taylor wrote: > Has anyone snagged this yet? if so I'm interested. > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 2:27 PM, tonym wrote: >> Before I eBay it, anyone interested in a complete setup? >> I'd like to get my $100 back out of it + shipping. >> >> Includes: >> XT-RTC interface >> WD MFM controller >> B&B XT-ROM 3.0 ( yes, working, and yes, I dumped it - reply if you want the ROM image) >> External HD case with IBM 0665-53 MFM HD and cables >> original manual >> original disks for both the XT-ROM and the XT-RTC >> 2 printouts with updates >> >> The XT-RTC works, and the XT-ROM works, as it boots up saying XT-ROM 3.0 >> and then does a 512K memory check on the CC3 I'm trying it on. >> >> No idea on the HDD, though. >> >> Does SuperDriver support the B&B XT to install to? >> >> Also have a decent CC3 with original Tandy 512K upgrade, $75+s/h >> >> These items are in Florida >> >> >> Tony >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > > -- > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From wdg3rd at comcast.net Tue May 5 00:13:18 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 04:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: <1437432262.5825531241496697396.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <865332992.5825581241496798067.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> It amazes me how slow "fast" systems are at formatting hard disks. Back in the Day (the early 80s), it took a PC/XT (supposedly using a 16-bit CPU) about 45 minutes to high-level format a 10-Meg drive, and it took a TRS-80 Model 4 (which never claimed more than 8-bit) about 15 minutes to high-level format a 15-Meg drive. (Let's not talk about low-level formatting, that's overnight anywhere). We could talk about how much better LS-DOS is than MS-DOS, but that would be off-topic. (LS-DOS is still my favorite single-user OS -- it has a number of features in common with OS-9 and a few that might improve NITROS-9). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Gene Heskett" wrote: > From: "Gene Heskett" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:34:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup > > On Sunday 03 May 2009, tonym wrote: > >How long should the physical+logical format take? > > Physical+logical is maybe 2 or 3 minutes because there is no physical > on a > hard drive, even one that old. Logical consists of writing LNS0, then > the FAT > which is however much of 64kb the number of sectors available on the > disk is > divided by 8 since one bit is a sector for that sized drive, and the > root > directories file descriptor sector, and the root directory itself. > This is a > very quick process and the ramddisk 'myram' actually does this in the > few > milliseconds lag between requesting an access to it with a "dir /r0" > before it > shows the empty directory to you. The click click is the verify > phase, where > it verifies every sector on the disk, and any bad sectors are marked > in the > FATable as used. That takes a while. And the drive has to go back > and write > the next sector of the FAT each time it has verified 256*8 sectors, or > 2048 of > them, and that represents 524,288 bytes of disk. That is a 42meg > disk, so it > will do that at least 84 times. Those will be double-clicks when it > does > that, the regular ones are just the next track seeks. > > dcheck won't like that if there are some that fail the read check, so > when I > was using a 30 meg seagate RLL drive, I used dEd to create, byte by > byte, a > file whose file descriptor sector accounted for all those bad sectors. > But be > sure and use a good sector for the file descriptor. :) And the > limiting > FD.SEG count is 48, so if there are more bad sectors than that, you'll > need to > create additional files for. Name them dcheck-bad-sectors-0, > dcheck-bad- > sectors-1 or something similar to remind you to never delete them. > > >It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the > click..click...click > > On a 42 megger, on a B&B, it should be about done by now. On my 130 > meg > Maxtor, it was a bit over 30 hours AIR, but the disto interface I used > with > the maxtor is over 2x faster than the B&B. 13 secs for a megaread... > I think, > heck, that was about 20 years ago, on a coco2! > > >Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B&B > drivers... > > You will want to replace that with Nitros9 of course, its faster. :) > > > > >Tony > > > >-- > >Coco mailing list > >Coco at maltedmedia.com > >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > It is a lesson which all history teaches wise men, to put trust in > ideas, > and not in circumstances. > -- Emerson > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 5 01:04:45 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 05:04:45 GMT Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup Message-ID: <200905050104296.SM04588@[208.76.35.239]> I finally aborted it at the 36-hour mark. Surely there is something wrong at that point.... Tony -----Original Message----- From: wdg3rd at comcast.net Sent 5/5/2009 12:13:18 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup It amazes me how slow "fast" systems are at formatting hard disks. Back in the Day (the early 80s), it took a PC/XT (supposedly using a 16-bit CPU) about 45 minutes to high-level format a 10-Meg drive, and it took a TRS-80 Model 4 (which never claimed more than 8-bit) about 15 minutes to high-level format a 15-Meg drive. (Let's not talk about low-level formatting, that's overnight anywhere). We could talk about how much better LS-DOS is than MS-DOS, but that would be off-topic. (LS-DOS is still my favorite single-user OS -- it has a number of features in common with OS-9 and a few that might improve NITROS-9). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net home.comcast.net/~wdg3rd ----- "Gene Heskett" gene.heskett at verizon.net wrote: From: "Gene Heskett" gene.heskett at verizon.net To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:34:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup On Sunday 03 May 2009, tonym wrote: How long should the physical+logical format take? Physical+logical is maybe 2 or 3 minutes because there is no physical on a hard drive, even one that old. Logical consists of writing LNS0, then the FAT which is however much of 64kb the number of sectors available on the disk is divided by 8 since one bit is a sector for that sized drive, and the root directories file descriptor sector, and the root directory itself. This is a very quick process and the ramddisk 'myram' actually does this in the few milliseconds lag between requesting an access to it with a "dir /r0" before it shows the empty directory to you. The click click is the verify phase, where it verifies every sector on the disk, and any bad sectors are marked in the FATable as used. That takes a while. And the drive has to go back and write the next sector of the FAT each time it has verified 256*8 sectors, or 2048 of them, and that represents 524,288 bytes of disk. That is a 42meg disk, so it will do that at least 84 times. Those will be double-clicks when it does that, the regular ones are just the next track seeks. dcheck won't like that if there are some that fail the read check, so when I was using a 30 meg seagate RLL drive, I used dEd to create, byte by byte, a file whose file descriptor sector accounted for all those bad sectors. But be sure and use a good sector for the file descriptor. :) And the limiting FD.SEG count is 48, so if there are more bad sectors than that, you'll need to create additional files for. Name them dcheck-bad-sectors-0, dcheck-bad- sectors-1 or something similar to remind you to never delete them. It's been going since like 2am! I can still hear the click..click...click On a 42 megger, on a B&B, it should be about done by now. On my 130 meg Maxtor, it was a bit over 30 hours AIR, but the disto interface I used with the maxtor is over 2x faster than the B&B. 13 secs for a megaread... I think, heck, that was about 20 years ago, on a coco2! Drive is a 42M IBM 0665-53 733cyl 7hd box-stock L2 with the B drivers... You will want to replace that with Nitros9 of course, its faster. :) Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is a lesson which all history teaches wise men, to put trust in ideas, and not in circumstances. -- Emerson -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 5 01:10:51 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 05:10:51 GMT Subject: [Coco] TC3 Diskette Message-ID: <200905050110390.SM05224@[208.76.35.239]> Hunted high and low on the c9 site, couldn't find it... Anyone got a disk image of the TC^3 SCSI controller disk? Tony From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 5 01:36:44 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 05:36:44 GMT Subject: [Coco] TC3 Diskette Message-ID: <200905050136250.SM05224@[208.76.35.239]> Oh, and is there a PDF of the TC^3 "SCSI System User Manual" which details settinog OS9/NitrOS9 with the TC^3? Tony -----Original Message----- From: tonym tonym at compusource.net Sent 5/5/2009 1:10:51 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] TC3 Diskette Hunted high and low on the c9 site, couldn't find it... Anyone got a disk image of the TC^3 SCSI controller disk? Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nutz4coco at gmail.com Tue May 5 02:26:25 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:26:25 -0700 Subject: [Coco] What version of VCC do you use? Message-ID: <889830d00905042326sbf259bfp4ab0b5466628f722@mail.gmail.com> I am planning to start using VCC and I would like to know what version most people use. I am asking this because there is a note on the site about version 1.40 may cause problems. Do you prefer to use 1.16 or 1.17 over 1.40? This is the site I am referencing: http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/downloads.html Thanks! Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Tue May 5 03:03:21 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 00:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <837517.29354.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Steve, ? Yes, it might end up a mess, but I was thinking it would be cool to have a working emulated coco running inside a coco case. It was a project I thought of a while back, but now I seem to have time to put it together. I guess I would mostly be doing it just to amuse myself and see if I could get it done.? I used the coco as a kid and it would be to me at least a more powerful version of the coco that I made myself. So it's just something I wanted to work on as a hobby. I don't want to have to buy a fully working coco, cause it would be a waste to take out the insides. I might have to though if I can't find someone who's willing to part with an old non working one. My basic idea is to use as many of the original coco hole cut outs as I can and then add more cut outs for things like usb, etc. The power supply would have to be?external. Hmm or maybe I could try to repack an old laptop motherboard into a coco. I guess I can't plan to do anything unless I get a case to work with. I got rid of my coco long ago. --- On Mon, 5/4/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:18 PM I'm totally confused by this. Are you wanting to build a system that uses one of the emulators to run CoCo software on the PC or Mac but put it in the case? Or, are you wanting to make your own hardware to emulate a CoCo using a CoCo case? I'm assuming the later is not the case. So, the question is, why on earth would you try to build a computer into a CoCo case to run an emulator that would run on any PC under Windows, Linux, or on a Mac running Mac OSX. Here's why I'm questioning it... The CoCo case is fine for handling CoCo hardware that it was designed for. But, a PC or Mac requires more hardware, powersupply, etc and all of the ports are different than what the Coco case is built for. My point is all that hardware is not going to fit into a CoCo case, and should you get it to fit, it's going to be gigantic mess. Anyway, I'm really curious to have more detail on what you are trying to do. Steve ---------------------------------------- From: "Ben Jimenez" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:04 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Hi, I'd like to build myself an emulated COCO using any old color computer case. I'd prefer to get a coco3 case, but anyone will do. Please contact me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com . Thanks. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From exwn8jef at gmail.com Tue May 5 07:34:15 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 07:34:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. In-Reply-To: <837517.29354.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <837517.29354.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A002437.7040000@gmail.com> Steve, I have a CoCo 2 case that I am getting ready to throw out if you want it. I gutted it for a CoCo 2 re-pak project. I like how small the CoCo 2 motherboard is (26-3127B). What kind of keyboard will you be using? If you need a CoCo keyboard I can throw that in as well. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Steve, > > Yes, it might end up a mess, but I was thinking it would be cool to have a working emulated coco running inside a coco case. It was a project I thought of a while back, but now I seem to have time to put it together. I guess I would mostly be doing it just to amuse myself and see if I could get it done. I used the coco as a kid and it would be to me at least a more powerful version of the coco that I made myself. So it's just something I wanted to work on as a hobby. I don't want to have to buy a fully working coco, cause it would be a waste to take out the insides. I might have to though if I can't find someone who's willing to part with an old non working one. My basic idea is to use as many of the original coco hole cut outs as I can and then add more cut outs for things like usb, etc. The power supply would have to be external. Hmm or maybe I could try to repack an old laptop motherboard into a coco. I guess I can't plan to do anything unless I > get a case to work with. I got rid of my coco long ago. > > > --- On Mon, 5/4/09, steve wrote: > > > From: steve > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:18 PM > > > I'm totally confused by this. > > Are you wanting to build a system that uses one of the emulators to run > CoCo software on the PC or Mac but put it in the case? Or, are you wanting > to make your own hardware to emulate a CoCo using a CoCo case? > > I'm assuming the later is not the case. So, the question is, why on earth > would you try to build a computer into a CoCo case to run an emulator that > would run on any PC under Windows, Linux, or on a Mac running Mac OSX. > > Here's why I'm questioning it... > > The CoCo case is fine for handling CoCo hardware that it was designed for. > But, a PC or Mac requires more hardware, powersupply, etc and all of the > ports are different than what the Coco case is built for. My point is all > that hardware is not going to fit into a CoCo case, and should you get it > to fit, it's going to be gigantic mess. > > Anyway, I'm really curious to have more detail on what you are trying to > do. > > Steve > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: "Ben Jimenez" > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:04 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > > Hi, > > I'd like to build myself an emulated COCO using any old color computer > case. I'd prefer to get a coco3 case, but anyone will do. Please contact me > at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com . Thanks. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue May 5 08:07:38 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: <200905050104296.SM04588@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905050104296.SM04588@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <200905050807.38920.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009, tonym wrote: >I finally aborted it at the 36-hour mark. > >Surely there is something wrong at that point.... > How big (megabytes) is that drive? > >Tony > >-----Original Message----- >From: wdg3rd at comcast.net >Sent 5/5/2009 12:13:18 AM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: Re: [Coco] B&B HD Setup > >It amazes me how slow "fast" systems are at formatting hard disks. Back in > the Day (the early 80s), it took a PC/XT (supposedly using a 16-bit CPU) > about 45 minutes to high-level format a 10-Meg drive, and it took a TRS-80 > Model 4 (which never claimed more than 8-bit) about 15 minutes to > high-level format a 15-Meg drive. (Let's not talk about low-level > formatting, that's overnight anywhere). We could talk about how much better > LS-DOS is than MS-DOS, but that would be off-topic. (LS-DOS is still my > favorite single-user OS -- it has a number of features in common with OS-9 > and a few that might improve NITROS-9). -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Bathquake, n.: The violent quake that rattles the entire house when the water faucet is turned on to a certain point. -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets" From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue May 5 08:15:05 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:15:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] TC3 Diskette In-Reply-To: <200905050110390.SM05224@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905050110390.SM05224@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <200905050815.06115.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009, tonym wrote: >Hunted high and low on the c9 site, couldn't find it... > >Anyone got a disk image of the TC^3 SCSI controller disk? I see the link to the disk on the controller page is a 404. Maybe the superdriver replaces it. ISTR that is what I'm using. >Tony > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I sometimes think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. -- Oscar Wilde From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue May 5 08:18:06 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:18:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] TC3 Diskette In-Reply-To: <200905050136250.SM05224@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905050136250.SM05224@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <200905050818.06784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009, tonym wrote: >Oh, and is there a PDF of the TC^3 "SCSI System User Manual" which details > settinog OS9/NitrOS9 with the TC^3? > The 'Documentation' link is good on > >Tony > >-----Original Message----- >From: tonym tonym at compusource.net >Sent 5/5/2009 1:10:51 AM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: [Coco] TC3 Diskette > >Hunted high and low on the c9 site, couldn't find it... > >Anyone got a disk image of the TC^3 SCSI controller disk? > > >Tony > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You need no longer worry about the future. This time tomorrow you'll be dead. From snhirsch at gmail.com Tue May 5 10:16:44 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: <200905050104296.SM04588@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905050104296.SM04588@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 2009, tonym wrote: > I finally aborted it at the 36-hour mark. > > Surely there is something wrong at that point.... Tony, Was the drive actually doing something all that time, or was the system frozen? This was the verify phase of format, correct? You should have been seeing hex block addresses scrolling by constantly. If not, perhaps you were bitten by the same problem I was. Unless you set a flag (forget what it's called), the terminal pauses at the end of a page and waits... forever. I was yanking hair out of my head over this while setting up a Seagate disk on my B&B controller. It would chug along for a while and just stop. However, the light on the drive went out and it was clear nothing was happening. So, might be a red-herring. Steve -- From jlhickle at yahoo.com Tue May 5 10:21:38 2009 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <149937.24573.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you using one of the mini-itx motherboards or something bigger? -jim --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Ben Jimenez wrote: > My basic idea is to use as many > of the original coco hole cut outs as I can and then add > more cut outs for things like usb, etc. The power supply > would have to be external. Hmm or maybe I could try to > repack an old laptop motherboard into a coco. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Tue May 5 10:39:52 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] What version of VCC do you use? In-Reply-To: <889830d00905042326sbf259bfp4ab0b5466628f722@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <939218.9821.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use 1.40 as the older versions cause a crackling sound to play along with normal emulated sounds on my system. The only reason I ever use MAME anymore for coco emulation is that VCC does not support state save & load..(unless I missed that feature). I hope that gets added soon, Jim Cox wrote: I am planning to start using VCC and I would like to know what version most people use. I am asking this because there is a note on the site about version 1.40 may cause problems. Do you prefer to use 1.16 or 1.17 over 1.40? This is the site I am referencing: http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/downloads.html Thanks! Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue May 5 10:43:21 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:43:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup In-Reply-To: References: <200905050104296.SM04588@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <200905051043.21912.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Tue, 5 May 2009, tonym wrote: >> I finally aborted it at the 36-hour mark. >> >> Surely there is something wrong at that point.... > >Tony, > >Was the drive actually doing something all that time, or was the system >frozen? This was the verify phase of format, correct? You should have >been seeing hex block addresses scrolling by constantly. > >If not, perhaps you were bitten by the same problem I was. Unless you set >a flag (forget what it's called), the terminal pauses at the end of a page >and waits... forever. tmode .1 -pause effective only for that window. But Tony said it was clicking, in which case he should have seen the sector numbers marching by on that same screen. >I was yanking hair out of my head over this while setting up a Seagate >disk on my B&B controller. It would chug along for a while and just stop. >However, the light on the drive went out and it was clear nothing was >happening. So, might be a red-herring. > >Steve -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the ends. -- Herbert Hoover From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Tue May 5 11:23:07 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <713524.39240.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Not sure if your email was for me (Ben). I for sure could use the case and keyboard. Just let me know how much you think the shipping will cost and I'll either send you a paypal payment or we can work out some other type of payment option. So this is a good start. Thanks Ben --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: From: N8WQ Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:34 AM Steve, I have a CoCo 2 case that I am getting ready to throw out if you want it. I gutted it for a CoCo 2 re-pak project. I like how small the CoCo 2 motherboard is (26-3127B). What kind of keyboard will you be using? If you need a CoCo keyboard I can throw that in as well. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Steve, >? Yes, it might end up a mess, but I was thinking it would be cool to have a working emulated coco running inside a coco case. It was a project I thought of a while back, but now I seem to have time to put it together. I guess I would mostly be doing it just to amuse myself and see if I could get it done.? I used the coco as a kid and it would be to me at least a more powerful version of the coco that I made myself. So it's just something I wanted to work on as a hobby. I don't want to have to buy a fully working coco, cause it would be a waste to take out the insides. I might have to though if I can't find someone who's willing to part with an old non working one. My basic idea is to use as many of the original coco hole cut outs as I can and then add more cut outs for things like usb, etc. The power supply would have to be external. Hmm or maybe I could try to repack an old laptop motherboard into a coco. I guess I can't plan to do anything unless I >? get a case to work with. I got rid of my coco long ago. > > > --- On Mon, 5/4/09, steve wrote: > > > From: steve > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:18 PM > > > I'm totally confused by this. > > Are you wanting to build a system that uses one of the emulators to run CoCo software on the PC or Mac but put it in the case? Or, are you wanting to make your own hardware to emulate a CoCo using a CoCo case? > > I'm assuming the later is not the case. So, the question is, why on earth would you try to build a computer into a CoCo case to run an emulator that would run on any PC under Windows, Linux, or on a Mac running Mac OSX. > > Here's why I'm questioning it... > > The CoCo case is fine for handling CoCo hardware that it was designed for. But, a PC or Mac requires more hardware, powersupply, etc and all of the ports are different than what the Coco case is built for. My point is all that hardware is not going to fit into a CoCo case, and should you get it to fit, it's going to be gigantic mess. > > Anyway, I'm really curious to have more detail on what you are trying to do. > > Steve > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: "Ben Jimenez" > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:04 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > Hi, > I'd like to build myself an emulated COCO using any old color computer case. I'd prefer to get a coco3 case, but anyone will do. Please contact me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com . Thanks. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >??? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Tue May 5 11:25:36 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <527691.69035.qm@web52311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I was looking at the mini itx boards, but I also will look into other options. I'll check out my local fry's for some small boards. One other thing i'll have to look into is the option of connecting the coco keyboard to a pc board. I thought someone had said at one time there was a hardware option around somewhere. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Jim Hickle wrote: From: Jim Hickle Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:21 AM Are you using one of the mini-itx motherboards or something bigger? -jim --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Ben Jimenez wrote: > My basic idea is to use as many > of the original coco hole cut outs as I can and then add > more cut outs for things like usb, etc. The power supply > would have to be external. Hmm or maybe I could try to > repack an old laptop motherboard into a coco. ? ? ? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From exwn8jef at gmail.com Tue May 5 11:33:26 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 11:33:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. In-Reply-To: <713524.39240.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <713524.39240.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A005C46.4020009@gmail.com> Hi Ben, Sorry for the name confusion factor. You can pay me for shipping via Paypal. My Paypal address is exwn8jef at gmail.com Let me find a suitable box to mail the case and keyboard and I will get back to you with the estimated shipping cost. Good luck on your project! I look forward to seeing it come to fruition. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Hi, > > Not sure if your email was for me (Ben). I for sure could use the case and keyboard. Just let me know how much you think the shipping will cost and I'll either send you a paypal payment or we can work out some other type of payment option. So this is a good start. Thanks > > Ben > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: > > From: N8WQ > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:34 AM > > Steve, > I have a CoCo 2 case that I am getting ready to throw out if you want it. I gutted it for a CoCo 2 re-pak project. I like how small the CoCo 2 motherboard is (26-3127B). What kind of keyboard will you be using? If you need a CoCo keyboard I can throw that in as well. > > O. Alan Jones > > -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Ben Jimenez wrote: > >> Steve, >> Yes, it might end up a mess, but I was thinking it would be cool to have a working emulated coco running inside a coco case. It was a project I thought of a while back, but now I seem to have time to put it together. I guess I would mostly be doing it just to amuse myself and see if I could get it done. I used the coco as a kid and it would be to me at least a more powerful version of the coco that I made myself. So it's just something I wanted to work on as a hobby. I don't want to have to buy a fully working coco, cause it would be a waste to take out the insides. I might have to though if I can't find someone who's willing to part with an old non working one. My basic idea is to use as many of the original coco hole cut outs as I can and then add more cut outs for things like usb, etc. The power supply would have to be external. Hmm or maybe I could try to repack an old laptop motherboard into a coco. I guess I can't plan to do anything unless I >> get a case to work with. I got rid of my coco long ago. >> >> >> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, steve wrote: >> >> >> From: steve >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:18 PM >> >> >> I'm totally confused by this. >> >> Are you wanting to build a system that uses one of the emulators to run CoCo software on the PC or Mac but put it in the case? Or, are you wanting to make your own hardware to emulate a CoCo using a CoCo case? >> >> I'm assuming the later is not the case. So, the question is, why on earth would you try to build a computer into a CoCo case to run an emulator that would run on any PC under Windows, Linux, or on a Mac running Mac OSX. >> >> Here's why I'm questioning it... >> >> The CoCo case is fine for handling CoCo hardware that it was designed for. But, a PC or Mac requires more hardware, powersupply, etc and all of the ports are different than what the Coco case is built for. My point is all that hardware is not going to fit into a CoCo case, and should you get it to fit, it's going to be gigantic mess. >> >> Anyway, I'm really curious to have more detail on what you are trying to do. >> >> Steve >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Ben Jimenez" >> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:04 PM >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. >> Hi, >> I'd like to build myself an emulated COCO using any old color computer case. I'd prefer to get a coco3 case, but anyone will do. Please contact me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com . Thanks. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From t.fadden at cox.net Tue May 5 14:23:17 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] B&B HD Setup Message-ID: <30011568.13248.1241547797957.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:21 AM , Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >> On Tue, 5 May 2009, tonym wrote: >>> I finally aborted it at the 36-hour mark. >>> >>> Surely there is something wrong at that point.... >> >> Tony, >> >> Was the drive actually doing something all that time, or was the >> system >> frozen? This was the verify phase of format, correct? You should >> have >> been seeing hex block addresses scrolling by constantly. >> >> If not, perhaps you were bitten by the same problem I was. Unless >> you set >> a flag (forget what it's called), the terminal pauses at the end of a >> page >> and waits... forever. > > tmode .1 -pause > effective only for that window. But Tony said it was clicking, in > which case he should have seen the sector numbers marching by on that > same screen. I have seen dead drives click continiously trying to find head position information. got on my work bench right now! ha ha ha > >> I was yanking hair out of my head over this while setting up a >> Seagate >> disk on my B&B controller. It would chug along for a while and just >> stop. >> However, the light on the drive went out and it was clear nothing was >> happening. So, might be a red-herring. >> >> Steve > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the > ends. > -- Herbert Hoover > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue May 5 15:56:08 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:56:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DMP-132 driver for PC Message-ID: <00de01c9cdbb$8a060ac0$9e122040$@rr.com> Does anyone have the drivers for the DMP-132 and/or the DMP-130 printer for a PC? I'm still looking for a printer cable to hook it up to my CoCo3, and I still have no way of testing it. ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From dml_68 at yahoo.com Tue May 5 17:01:08 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] DMP-132 driver for PC In-Reply-To: <00de01c9cdbb$8a060ac0$9e122040$@rr.com> Message-ID: <88372.73002.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you just want to verify that the printers work there is a built in self test mode. You hold down one of the buttons then turn it on. (I do not remember which one you hold down..sorry) Bill wrote: Does anyone have the drivers for the DMP-132 and/or the DMP-130 printer for a PC? I'm still looking for a printer cable to hook it up to my CoCo3, and I still have no way of testing it. ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Tue May 5 17:51:42 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:51:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Off topic request Message-ID: <4A00B4EE.3090909@embarqmail.com> I apologize but this group is about the right age to know if it exists. Is there a program that I can run in the back ground and will pop up a window when it is time for medication. Maybe beep if I'm away from my CP. Need safeguards of some kind like not being dismissed until specifically clicked on ( not overlooked if it is past due ). List which is due at which time. I want it to run on a Linux system Thanks Dave -- I was with my children at the moment of their breath. I stood by my father at the moment of his death. I stand by you at this moment, forever. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue May 5 21:48:25 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:48:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Off topic request In-Reply-To: <4A00B4EE.3090909@embarqmail.com> References: <4A00B4EE.3090909@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <200905052148.25359.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: >I apologize but this group is about the right age to know if it exists. > >Is there a program that I can run in the back ground and will pop up a >window when it is time for medication. Maybe beep if I'm away from my >CP. Need safeguards of some kind like not being dismissed until >specifically clicked on ( not overlooked if it is past due ). List >which is due at which time. > >I want it to run on a Linux system > If you have kde installed, check out kalarm, it might do that for you. gnome may have a similar utility too. >Thanks >Dave -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) When you meet a master swordsman, show him your sword. When you meet a man who is not a poet, do not show him your poem. -- Rinzai, ninth century Zen master From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 5 21:59:05 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 01:59:05 GMT Subject: [Coco] TC3 Diskette Message-ID: <200905052159250.SM02964@[208.76.35.239]> >-----Original Message----- >From: Gene Heskett gene.heskett at verizon.net >Sent 5/5/2009 8:18:06 AM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: Re: [Coco] TC3 Diskette > >On Tuesday 05 May 2009, tonym wrote: >Oh, and is there a PDF of the TC^3 "SCSI System User Manual" which details > settinog OS9/NitrOS9 with the TC^3? > >The 'Documentation' link is good on >http://www.frontiernet.net/~mmarlette/Cloud-9/Hardware/TC3 SCSI.html > I have that one - but THAT manual refers you to another manual. Here's the quote: "Now that your TC^3 SCSI Controller is configured and connected to your Color Computer, it?s time to set up your OS-9 or Disk BASIC software. For OS-9 driver installation and configuration, refer to the accompanying SCSI System User Manual, which is included with the TC^3 SCSI Controller." Tony From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Tue May 5 22:36:18 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:36:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Off topic request In-Reply-To: <200905052148.25359.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4A00B4EE.3090909@embarqmail.com> <200905052148.25359.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A00F7A2.6010003@embarqmail.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: >> I apologize but this group is about the right age to know if it exists. >> >> Is there a program that I can run in the back ground and will pop up a >> window when it is time for medication. Maybe beep if I'm away from my >> CP. Need safeguards of some kind like not being dismissed until >> specifically clicked on ( not overlooked if it is past due ). List >> which is due at which time. >> >> I want it to run on a Linux system >> > If you have kde installed, check out kalarm, it might do that for you. > gnome may have a similar utility too. Ideally--------- I would like something that I can configure to pop up a window and tell me to take my 3 o'clock dose and what it is. And stay there until I click to dismiss it. I would like it to be stand alone, not tied to something else that may not be running ( Google Calendar ) or taking up background resources. I will look into your suggestion. Thanks Gene, Dave From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Wed May 6 00:31:54 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <384868.94932.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm ready when you are you can email me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com with the cost. Thanks. Ben --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: From: N8WQ Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:33 AM Hi Ben, Sorry for the name confusion factor. You can pay me for shipping via Paypal. My Paypal address is exwn8jef at gmail.com Let me find a suitable box to mail the case and keyboard and I will get back to you with the estimated shipping cost. Good luck on your project! I look forward to seeing it come to fruition. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Hi, > > Not sure if your email was for me (Ben). I for sure could use the case and keyboard. Just let me know how much you think the shipping will cost and I'll either send you a paypal payment or we can work out some other type of payment option. So this is a good start. Thanks > > Ben > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: > > From: N8WQ > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:34 AM > > Steve, > I have a CoCo 2 case that I am getting ready to throw out if you want it. I gutted it for a CoCo 2 re-pak project. I like how small the CoCo 2 motherboard is (26-3127B). What kind of keyboard will you be using? If you need a CoCo keyboard I can throw that in as well. > > O. Alan Jones > > -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Ben Jimenez wrote: >??? >> Steve, >>???Yes, it might end up a mess, but I was thinking it would be cool to have a working emulated coco running inside a coco case. It was a project I thought of a while back, but now I seem to have time to put it together. I guess I would mostly be doing it just to amuse myself and see if I could get it done.? I used the coco as a kid and it would be to me at least a more powerful version of the coco that I made myself. So it's just something I wanted to work on as a hobby. I don't want to have to buy a fully working coco, cause it would be a waste to take out the insides. I might have to though if I can't find someone who's willing to part with an old non working one. My basic idea is to use as many of the original coco hole cut outs as I can and then add more cut outs for things like usb, etc. The power supply would have to be external. Hmm or maybe I could try to repack an old laptop motherboard into a coco. I guess I can't plan to do anything unless I >>???get a case to work with. I got rid of my coco long ago. >> >> >> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, steve wrote: >> >> >> From: steve >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:18 PM >> >> >> I'm totally confused by this. >> >> Are you wanting to build a system that uses one of the emulators to run CoCo software on the PC or Mac but put it in the case? Or, are you wanting to make your own hardware to emulate a CoCo using a CoCo case? >> >> I'm assuming the later is not the case. So, the question is, why on earth would you try to build a computer into a CoCo case to run an emulator that would run on any PC under Windows, Linux, or on a Mac running Mac OSX. >> >> Here's why I'm questioning it... >> >> The CoCo case is fine for handling CoCo hardware that it was designed for. But, a PC or Mac requires more hardware, powersupply, etc and all of the ports are different than what the Coco case is built for. My point is all that hardware is not going to fit into a CoCo case, and should you get it to fit, it's going to be gigantic mess. >> >> Anyway, I'm really curious to have more detail on what you are trying to do. >> >> Steve >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Ben Jimenez" >> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:04 PM >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. >> Hi, >> I'd like to build myself an emulated COCO using any old color computer case. I'd prefer to get a coco3 case, but anyone will do. Please contact me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com . Thanks. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >>? ? >>? ??? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >??? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Wed May 6 00:37:41 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 04:37:41 GMT Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia Message-ID: <200905060037968.SM02944@[208.76.35.239]> Following have been uploaded: BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.pdf - XT-ROM 3.0 version of manual, including ReadMe 1.1MB BurkeAndBurkeXT-RTC_2.4.pdf - XT-RTC 2.4 version of manual, 3.9MB BurkeAndBurke_XT-_2.5.DSK - XT-RTC Software Disk, 2.5 version, 35T SS, 158kb BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.DSK - XT-ROM software disk, 3.0 version, 35T SS, 158kb These appear to be MUCH later versions of the docs + software than is out there, so knock yourselves out! It is in /incoming at present. Tony From os9dude at gmail.com Wed May 6 08:39:21 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:39:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 Message-ID: <5631e580905060539l5b3cb88do85d74e4c43762e15@mail.gmail.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170328706006 Pretty outlandish to ask US$30.00 for two CoCo game paks, maybe if they were in an unopened box... maybe, and maybe if they actually were hard to find - outside of the Hard Disk Interface Pak, I know of no other. But then further reading down the auction text... "Downland sold for 71.50 in 1983". What's that? Yen? Mexican Pesos (it would have been really cheap if that were the case at all)... then again, Downland appeared first in the 1985 catalog for a mere $24.95. So I sent a message with a $1.00 offer on the auction to the seller... will see what transpires next ;-) -=[ Rogelio ]=- From exwn8jef at gmail.com Wed May 6 08:43:42 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:43:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. In-Reply-To: <384868.94932.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <384868.94932.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0185FE.1010906@gmail.com> Hi Ben, I have your package all boxed up. Please send me your shipping address. I will go ahead and mail today. I'm not out to make a profit or anything. I will let you know what the shipping cost is when I get back. I am including the keyboard, case, and screws. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Hi, > > I'm ready when you are you can email me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com with the cost. Thanks. > > Ben > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: > > From: N8WQ > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:33 AM > > Hi Ben, > Sorry for the name confusion factor. > You can pay me for shipping via Paypal. > My Paypal address is > exwn8jef at gmail.com > Let me find a suitable box to mail the case and keyboard and I will get > back to you with the estimated shipping cost. Good luck on your project! > I look forward to seeing it come to fruition. > > Alan Jones > From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Wed May 6 09:31:41 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 In-Reply-To: <826140821.5523221241616440988.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1628635293.5525141241616701616.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Call me crazy..... I spent $35-$40 for a pak at the 17th(I think) Last CoCoFest. I don't recall the exact amount as I was in the auction frenzy, might have even been more. It was to be autographed by Steve Bjork, that was in attendance. Steve told the story behind the pak, GREAT piece of history. Steve has some REALLY good history and stories, if you have never heard them! Ahhhhh, the fests. :) It was fun, money well spent, all in the eyes of the beholder. Regards, Mark Cloud-9 BTW: I realize that this Ebay pak is different than what my experience was. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rogelio Perea" To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:39:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170328706006 Pretty outlandish to ask US$30.00 for two CoCo game paks, maybe if they were in an unopened box... maybe, and maybe if they actually were hard to find - outside of the Hard Disk Interface Pak, I know of no other. But then further reading down the auction text... "Downland sold for 71.50 in 1983". What's that? Yen? Mexican Pesos (it would have been really cheap if that were the case at all)... then again, Downland appeared first in the 1985 catalog for a mere $24.95. So I sent a message with a $1.00 offer on the auction to the seller... will see what transpires next ;-) -=[ Rogelio ]=- -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From os9dude at gmail.com Wed May 6 09:43:47 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:43:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 In-Reply-To: <1628635293.5525141241616701616.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <826140821.5523221241616440988.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <1628635293.5525141241616701616.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5631e580905060643g4b976eb5n723c048e32b2e5df@mail.gmail.com> I concur that it IS money *well* spent Mark. Signed by the author makes it a unique piece of hardware valued not for the mechanics of its existence :-) Maybe someone remembers Lee Veal's serial number 000001 CoCo 1. That box is priceless for being the first one out of the all-hands released production-floor line... the "signature" being its serial number. -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > > Call me crazy..... I spent $35-$40 for a pak at the 17th(I think) Last > CoCoFest. I don't recall the exact amount as I was in the auction frenzy, > might have even been more. > > It was to be autographed by Steve Bjork, that was in attendance. Steve told > the story behind the pak, GREAT piece of history. Steve has some REALLY good > history and stories, if you have never heard them! Ahhhhh, the fests. :) > > It was fun, money well spent, all in the eyes of the beholder. > > Regards, > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > BTW: I realize that this Ebay pak is different than what my experience was. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rogelio Perea" > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:39:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170328706006 > > Pretty outlandish to ask US$30.00 for two CoCo game paks, maybe if they > were > in an unopened box... maybe, and maybe if they actually were hard to find - > outside of the Hard Disk Interface Pak, I know of no other. > > But then further reading down the auction text... "Downland sold for 71.50 > in 1983". What's that? Yen? Mexican Pesos (it would have been really cheap > if that were the case at all)... then again, Downland appeared first in the > 1985 catalog for a mere $24.95. > > So I sent a message with a $1.00 offer on the auction to the seller... will > see what transpires next ;-) > > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Wed May 6 10:14:49 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 In-Reply-To: <5631e580905060643g4b976eb5n723c048e32b2e5df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475061380.5540101241619289047.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> I bet that SN000001 is in Mexico at this moment! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rogelio Perea" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 8:43:47 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 I concur that it IS money *well* spent Mark. Signed by the author makes it a unique piece of hardware valued not for the mechanics of its existence :-) Maybe someone remembers Lee Veal's serial number 000001 CoCo 1. That box is priceless for being the first one out of the all-hands released production-floor line... the "signature" being its serial number. -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > > Call me crazy..... I spent $35-$40 for a pak at the 17th(I think) Last > CoCoFest. I don't recall the exact amount as I was in the auction frenzy, > might have even been more. > > It was to be autographed by Steve Bjork, that was in attendance. Steve told > the story behind the pak, GREAT piece of history. Steve has some REALLY good > history and stories, if you have never heard them! Ahhhhh, the fests. :) > > It was fun, money well spent, all in the eyes of the beholder. > > Regards, > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > BTW: I realize that this Ebay pak is different than what my experience was. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rogelio Perea" > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:39:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170328706006 > > Pretty outlandish to ask US$30.00 for two CoCo game paks, maybe if they > were > in an unopened box... maybe, and maybe if they actually were hard to find - > outside of the Hard Disk Interface Pak, I know of no other. > > But then further reading down the auction text... "Downland sold for 71.50 > in 1983". What's that? Yen? Mexican Pesos (it would have been really cheap > if that were the case at all)... then again, Downland appeared first in the > 1985 catalog for a mere $24.95. > > So I sent a message with a $1.00 offer on the auction to the seller... will > see what transpires next ;-) > > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Wed May 6 10:15:11 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 07:15:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 In-Reply-To: <5631e580905060539l5b3cb88do85d74e4c43762e15@mail.gmail.com> References: <5631e580905060539l5b3cb88do85d74e4c43762e15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A019B6F.7020908@bjork-huffman.net> After looking over the ebay item, the $30 is only the "buy it now" price. (Most sellers set it high on ebay.) As for for wording on the item, not the best write-up and the over size text is hiding the fact there is not much copy. I will give the seller big thumbs up for the FREE SHIPPING! Most ebay sellers overcharge on shipping for CoCo products to make an little extra money. Steve Bjork Rogelio Perea wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170328706006 > > Pretty outlandish to ask US$30.00 for two CoCo game paks, maybe if they were in an unopened box... maybe, and maybe if they actually were hard to find -outside of the Hard Disk Interface Pak, I know of no other. > > But then further reading down the auction text... "Downland sold for 71.50 in 1983". What's that? Yen? Mexican Pesos (it would have been really cheap if that were the case at all)... then again, Downland appeared first in the 1985 catalog for a mere $24.95. > > So I sent a message with a $1.00 offer on the auction to the seller... will see what transpires next ;-) > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > From leonard23 at verizon.net Wed May 6 11:36:33 2009 From: leonard23 at verizon.net (Leonard Miller) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:36:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia In-Reply-To: <200905060037968.SM02944@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905060037968.SM02944@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <000001c9ce60$6fe09020$4fa1b060$@net> I tried to dl these files but it said I need permission? I own a B&B controller, but some of the disks have become unreadable. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of tonym Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:38 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia Following have been uploaded: BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.pdf - XT-ROM 3.0 version of manual, including ReadMe 1.1MB BurkeAndBurkeXT-RTC_2.4.pdf - XT-RTC 2.4 version of manual, 3.9MB BurkeAndBurke_XT-_2.5.DSK - XT-RTC Software Disk, 2.5 version, 35T SS, 158kb BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.DSK - XT-ROM software disk, 3.0 version, 35T SS, 158kb These appear to be MUCH later versions of the docs + software than is out there, so knock yourselves out! It is in /incoming at present. Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed May 6 13:42:37 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Strange files Message-ID: <011501c9ce72$0deb5550$29c1fff0$@rr.com> I took a look at my uploads directory on my FTP a while ago, and found this. Volume in drive D has no label Volume Serial Number is 0B50-1DF0 Directory of D:\FILES\COCO\UPLOAD . 02/22/09 9:13p .. 02/22/09 9:13p 1_03_05_09_07_37_46 6,506,152 05/03/09 8:37p 1_03_05_09_7_38_17 2,794,923 05/03/09 8:38p 1_04_05_09_7_42_47 6,506,152 05/04/09 8:42a 1_05_05_09_10_10_19 0 05/05/09 11:10a Has anyone got any idea what these files are? ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Wed May 6 13:48:52 2009 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:48:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Strange files In-Reply-To: <011501c9ce72$0deb5550$29c1fff0$@rr.com> References: <011501c9ce72$0deb5550$29c1fff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <200905061749.n46Hn0LX023280@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> At 01:42 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote: >I took a look at my uploads directory on my FTP a while ago, and found this. >1_03_05_09_07_37_46 6,506,152 05/03/09 8:37p >1_03_05_09_7_38_17 2,794,923 05/03/09 8:38p >1_04_05_09_7_42_47 6,506,152 05/04/09 8:42a >1_05_05_09_10_10_19 0 05/05/09 11:10a >Has anyone got any idea what these files are? Is this directory anonymous upload but protected from download? If not protected, they could be document sharing, often cracked programs or porn. If you are protected from download, they could just be probing for the ability to download. I get numbered file probes regularly, but they are usually short ones. Dennis Country Stores book! Bathory Opera libretto! "We Are All Mozart" From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed May 6 14:01:21 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:01:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Strange files In-Reply-To: <200905061749.n46Hn0LX023280@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <011501c9ce72$0deb5550$29c1fff0$@rr.com> <200905061749.n46Hn0LX023280@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <011d01c9ce74$ac41ee60$04c5cb20$@rr.com> Yeah, I don't allow anonymous uploads or downloads. Hmmm, I think I'll just delete them and see what happens. Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Bathory-Kitsz > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:49 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Strange files > > Is this directory anonymous upload but protected from download? If > not protected, they could be document sharing, often cracked programs > or porn. > > If you are protected from download, they could just be probing for > the ability to download. I get numbered file probes regularly, but > they are usually short ones. From hyperfrog at gmail.com Wed May 6 14:21:53 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Ebay Madness - Case # 787387423848293487 In-Reply-To: <4A019B6F.7020908@bjork-huffman.net> References: <5631e580905060539l5b3cb88do85d74e4c43762e15@mail.gmail.com> <4A019B6F.7020908@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <4A01D541.1040402@gmail.com> Steve Bjork wrote: > I will give the seller big thumbs up for the FREE SHIPPING! Most ebay > sellers overcharge on shipping for CoCo products to make an little > extra money. You are right, but on the other hand, foreign bidders pay less customs duties and taxes if the price doesn't include shipping, unless the seller subtracts the shippings fees from the final price on the customs declaration form, which some people just won't do. Steve, I didn't know you sign ROM Paks... Maybe you could start a business like Steve Wozniak's SignedByWoz.com! ;) Christian From mdelyea at gmail.com Wed May 6 14:32:01 2009 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Strange files In-Reply-To: <011d01c9ce74$ac41ee60$04c5cb20$@rr.com> References: <011501c9ce72$0deb5550$29c1fff0$@rr.com> <200905061749.n46Hn0LX023280@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> <011d01c9ce74$ac41ee60$04c5cb20$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80905061132h115ce8bbm1372c32d971bf757@mail.gmail.com> You might want to look at them with a hex editor just to see whats in them. Might turn up something interesting. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Bill wrote: > Yeah, I don't allow anonymous uploads or downloads. Hmmm, I think I'll just > delete them and see what happens. > > Thanks > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Bathory-Kitsz >> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:49 PM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Strange files >> >> Is this directory anonymous upload but protected from download? If >> not protected, they could be document sharing, often cracked programs >> or porn. >> >> If you are protected from download, they could just be probing for >> the ability to download. I get numbered file probes regularly, but >> they are usually short ones. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tonym at compusource.net Wed May 6 14:36:19 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:36:19 GMT Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia Message-ID: <200905061436765.SM05908@[208.76.35.239]> Downloads are not permitted from /incoming folders. It needs to be filed in it's proper place. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Leonard Miller leonard23 at verizon.net Sent 5/6/2009 11:36:33 AM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia I tried to dl these files but it said I need permission? I own a B&B controller, but some of the disks have become unreadable. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of tonym Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:38 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia Following have been uploaded: BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.pdf - XT-ROM 3.0 version of manual, including ReadMe 1.1MB BurkeAndBurkeXT-RTC_2.4.pdf - XT-RTC 2.4 version of manual, 3.9MB BurkeAndBurke_XT-_2.5.DSK - XT-RTC Software Disk, 2.5 version, 35T SS, 158kb BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.DSK - XT-ROM software disk, 3.0 version, 35T SS, 158kb These appear to be MUCH later versions of the docs + software than is out there, so knock yourselves out! It is in /incoming at present. Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Wed May 6 14:43:16 2009 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:43:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia In-Reply-To: <200905061436765.SM05908@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905061436765.SM05908@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <200905061847.n46IldLX007138@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> At 02:36 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote: >Downloads are not permitted from /incoming folders. >It needs to be filed in it's proper place. They're in the ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/NEWLY-RECEIVED/ directory now. I'm still looking for somebody willing to re-organize the FTP site via FTP (not SSH). Some FTP clients are good at drag-and-drop. :) Dennis Country Stores book! Bathory Opera libretto! "We Are All Mozart" From bookworm at cavenet.com Wed May 6 17:43:48 2009 From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project Message-ID: I have a suggestion for a CoCo 3 hardware project. I am not an engineer, and can't design it myself, but I think it sounds like something that might work, and be very useful. There have been at least two attempts, maybe 3, to put a 68000 in a CoCo. The first plugged into the cartridge slot and used the 68008, it's own 512k RAM, and an optional VGA like monochrome monitor as peripherals. The second was the Burke & Burke Rocket. It would have replaced the 6809 with a 68008. IMHO it would have been a great idea if the 68008 was compatible with the 6809, but it wasn't and required an emulator ROM. The third was the FHL QT CoCo, a hard drive system that could be upgraded to a QT Plus computer, but would the CoCo have still been connected? My idea would be to put a 68000 on a CoCo 3 RAM board, with part of the RAM being shared by both. The GIME chip already has a 16 bit buss to the RAM for graphics, so the RAM is already both 8 and 16 bits. The only hard part I can think of would be making the two CPU's able to stop and give the other control. Can a 68000 or 6809 be memory mapped in the others address space? This would (theoreticaly) allow the CoCo to run OSk in a NitrOS-9 window, and could be used to display some of the type of graphics used on the internet and considered too complex for the CoCo 3 all by itself. So far, I just want to know if it could be done. From t.fadden at cox.net Wed May 6 17:54:46 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:54:46 -0700 Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia In-Reply-To: <000001c9ce60$6fe09020$4fa1b060$@net> References: <200905060037968.SM02944@[208.76.35.239]> <000001c9ce60$6fe09020$4fa1b060$@net> Message-ID: <4A020726.4080908@cox.net> Leonard, No one can download them until they are checked and moved to the appropriate directory. :-( Tim Leonard Miller wrote: > I tried to dl these files but it said I need permission? I own a B&B > controller, but some of the disks have become unreadable. > > Leonard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On > Behalf Of tonym > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:38 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia > > Following have been uploaded: > > BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.pdf - XT-ROM 3.0 version of manual, including > ReadMe 1.1MB > BurkeAndBurkeXT-RTC_2.4.pdf - XT-RTC 2.4 version of manual, 3.9MB > BurkeAndBurke_XT-_2.5.DSK - XT-RTC Software Disk, 2.5 version, 35T SS, 158kb > BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.DSK - XT-ROM software disk, 3.0 version, 35T SS, > 158kb > > These appear to be MUCH later versions of the docs + software than is out > there, so knock yourselves out! It is in /incoming at present. > > > Tony > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Wed May 6 19:47:52 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <937904.51183.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Alan, ? Not sure if you got my email, i sent over my address to you. Thanks again. ? Ben --- On Wed, 5/6/09, N8WQ wrote: From: N8WQ Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:43 AM Hi Ben, I have your package all boxed up. Please send me your shipping address. I will go ahead and mail today. I'm not out to make a profit or anything. I will let you know what the shipping cost is when I get back. I am including the keyboard, case, and screws. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Hi, > > I'm ready when you are you can email me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com with the cost. Thanks. > > Ben > > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: > > From: N8WQ > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:33 AM > > Hi Ben, > Sorry for the name confusion factor. > You can pay me for shipping via Paypal. > My Paypal address is > exwn8jef at gmail.com > Let me find a suitable box to mail the case and keyboard and I will get back to you with the estimated shipping cost. Good luck on your project! I look forward to seeing it come to fruition. > > Alan Jones >??? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From exwn8jef at gmail.com Wed May 6 20:01:13 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:01:13 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. In-Reply-To: <937904.51183.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <937904.51183.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0224C9.3000202@gmail.com> Hi Ben, I got your mailing address. I was at the hospital today with my grand daughter so I wasn't able to go to post office, but I will tomorrow. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Alan, > > Not sure if you got my email, i sent over my address to you. Thanks again. > > Ben > > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, N8WQ wrote: > > > From: N8WQ > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:43 AM > > > Hi Ben, > I have your package all boxed up. Please send me your shipping address. I will go ahead and mail today. I'm not out to make a profit or anything. I will let you know what the shipping cost is when I get back. I am including the keyboard, case, and screws. > > O. Alan Jones > > -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Ben Jimenez wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm ready when you are you can email me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com with the cost. Thanks. >> >> Ben >> >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: >> >> From: N8WQ >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:33 AM >> >> Hi Ben, >> Sorry for the name confusion factor. >> You can pay me for shipping via Paypal. >> My Paypal address is >> exwn8jef at gmail.com >> Let me find a suitable box to mail the case and keyboard and I will get back to you with the estimated shipping cost. Good luck on your project! I look forward to seeing it come to fruition. >> >> Alan Jones >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From tlindner at macmess.org Wed May 6 20:37:54 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:37:54 -0700 Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia In-Reply-To: <200905061847.n46IldLX007138@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <1izb28y.j214yc2ab6nwM%tlindner@macmess.org> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > At 02:36 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote: > >Downloads are not permitted from /incoming folders. > >It needs to be filed in it's proper place. > > They're in the ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/NEWLY-RECEIVED/ directory now. > > I'm still looking for somebody willing to re-organize the FTP site > via FTP (not SSH). Some FTP clients are good at drag-and-drop. :) There is an FTP server command to move files around? I didn't know that. I've been Googling, but nothing has come up. Which clients support this? -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From tlindner at macmess.org Wed May 6 20:43:44 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:43:44 -0700 Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia In-Reply-To: <1izb28y.j214yc2ab6nwM%tlindner@macmess.org> Message-ID: <1izb2jn.qcgpuc1dq2pkwM%tlindner@macmess.org> tim lindner wrote: > Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > > > At 02:36 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote: > > >Downloads are not permitted from /incoming folders. > > >It needs to be filed in it's proper place. > > > > They're in the ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/NEWLY-RECEIVED/ directory now. > > > > I'm still looking for somebody willing to re-organize the FTP site > > via FTP (not SSH). Some FTP clients are good at drag-and-drop. :) > > There is an FTP server command to move files around? I didn't know that. > I've been Googling, but nothing has come up. Which clients support this? I knew I would find the answer after I sent that message. The key is the "rename" command. It allows moving of files. :) -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From ed.orbea at gmail.com Wed May 6 21:19:24 2009 From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:19:24 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Question about CoCoNet Message-ID: <9e22cc9d0905061819n2dc4a06es5162ed37df114cb7@mail.gmail.com> I have not seen anything posted recently but I might of missed something. Is there any information regarding Roger's CoCoNet. I have his wireless pak, and am anticipating the release of CoCoNet. So, is there any information available either from Roger or someone else? Thanks Ed Orbea From leonard23 at verizon.net Wed May 6 22:54:39 2009 From: leonard23 at verizon.net (Leonard Miller) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:54:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia In-Reply-To: <4A020726.4080908@cox.net> References: <200905060037968.SM02944@[208.76.35.239]> <000001c9ce60$6fe09020$4fa1b060$@net> <4A020726.4080908@cox.net> Message-ID: <000f01c9cebf$2d482cf0$87d886d0$@net> Thank you guys...Somebody was gracious enough and took care of it. Now I have backups again! Leonard -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 05:55 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia Leonard, No one can download them until they are checked and moved to the appropriate directory. :-( Tim Leonard Miller wrote: > I tried to dl these files but it said I need permission? I own a B&B > controller, but some of the disks have become unreadable. > > Leonard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On > Behalf Of tonym > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:38 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] FTP Uploads to maltedmedia > > Following have been uploaded: > > BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.pdf - XT-ROM 3.0 version of manual, including > ReadMe 1.1MB > BurkeAndBurkeXT-RTC_2.4.pdf - XT-RTC 2.4 version of manual, 3.9MB > BurkeAndBurke_XT-_2.5.DSK - XT-RTC Software Disk, 2.5 version, 35T SS, 158kb > BurkeAndBurke_XT-ROM_3.0.DSK - XT-ROM software disk, 3.0 version, 35T SS, > 158kb > > These appear to be MUCH later versions of the docs + software than is out > there, so knock yourselves out! It is in /incoming at present. > > > Tony > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mechacoco at gmail.com Thu May 7 00:39:01 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:39:01 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Question about CoCoNet In-Reply-To: <9e22cc9d0905061819n2dc4a06es5162ed37df114cb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e22cc9d0905061819n2dc4a06es5162ed37df114cb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0905062139o7e73b522uf9c8552d4c08170b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/6/09, Ed Orbea wrote: > I have not seen anything posted recently but I might of missed something. Is > there any information regarding Roger's CoCoNet. I have his wireless pak, > and am anticipating the release of CoCoNet. So, is there any information > available either from Roger or someone else? > Roger has been quiet lately. I hope everything is okay. While waiting for CoCoNet I have managed to patch the DriveWire HDB-DOS 1.2D to work with the wireless pak (and most wired serial paks as well). This gives me wireless Disk Basic but no support for NitrOS-9. Printing from Basic to the DriveWire server has also been added. If anyone would like a copy of the patched ROM image drop me a message (off list please). Boisy has asked me to make it clear that this patch is not supported by Cloud-9, so please don't ask him for any help with it. Darren From farna at att.net Thu May 7 06:50:40 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 06:50:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project Message-ID: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net> In theory it could be done, but what you'd essentially have is two computers sharing the same memory. The 68000 would need some kind of monitor ROM in order to work, or take up part of the memory and keep the CoCo from overwriting it -- but then it would have to be loaded. Using a ROM on the board would be the best bet. I'm not sure how commands would be passed though, unless the 68K also had I/O space or some type of input system. Hmmm.... put a simple serial port on the board and loop a cable to the bit banger, talk to the 68K ROM through serial commands (seems we're finding more and more uses for the bit banger these days!)? Anyway, there are problems with any 68K augmentation of the CoCo. The best bet may be to build a minimal 68K board and use something like DriveWire or CoCoNet to attach it to the CoCo. There would still be display problems though. The CoCo's display limitations are due to its built in graphics system, not processing power. The GIME is the first bottle-neck as far as the display is concerned, memory second, and processing power third. I think the memory issue has basically been overcome with the 2MB board, and the other two are being worked on -- an FPGA GIME and 6809. Once those are done one could make an adapter board and plug each into a CoCo board, but at that point it would probably be better to build another board around the two FPGAs. --------- Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:43:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Bookworm I have a suggestion for a CoCo 3 hardware project. I am not an engineer, and can't design it myself, but I think it sounds like something that might work, and be very useful. There have been at least two attempts, maybe 3, to put a 68000 in a CoCo. The first plugged into the cartridge slot and used the 68008, it's own 512k RAM, and an optional VGA like monochrome monitor as peripherals. The second was the Burke & Burke Rocket. It would have replaced the 6809 with a 68008. IMHO it would have been a great idea if the 68008 was compatible with the 6809, but it wasn't and required an emulator ROM. The third was the FHL QT CoCo, a hard drive system that could be upgraded to a QT Plus computer, but would the CoCo have still been connected? My idea would be to put a 68000 on a CoCo 3 RAM board, with part of the RAM being shared by both. The GIME chip already has a 16 bit buss to the RAM for graphics, so the RAM is already both 8 and 16 bits. The only hard part I can think of would be making the two CPU's able to stop and give the other control. Can a 68000 or 6809 be memory mapped in the others address space? This would (theoreticaly) allow the CoCo to run OSk in a NitrOS-9 window, and could be used to display some of the type of graphics used on the internet and considered too complex for the CoCo 3 all by itself. So far, I just want to know if it could be done. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From jdaggett at gate.net Thu May 7 10:39:47 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net> References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net> Message-ID: <4A02BA73.21591.786DE5@jdaggett.gate.net> All The CPU module containing the FPGA for the 6809 is laid out and needs verification. The memory module is also done. It will be a 1Megabyte by 16 10 nS SRAM. Another board could be done using SDRAM. Now the Main board and peripheral boards are left to design and lay out. What I am doing is shrinking the size of the main Coco board down to 100mm by 80mm size. Taking a fes of Sock's ideas also into consideration. The CPU FPGA will be capable of one 6809 plus room left over for a math coprosser or a second 6809. The GIME FPGA is also large enough to handle VGA desktop of 800x600 pixels at 8 bit color. That is able with the 2Mbytes of ram. 1Mbyte for video desktop and at least one 640x480 hardware window. Lower resolutions can have more windows. Coding status for the GIME chip is all the registers are done. Need to do the video section with windowing, and the linear address generater for the video ram access. Also the multipexor between the CPU and video addresses. As for the math coprosser, I have a cordic processor started. It eventually will handle all division, multiplication and several trig functions. I have yet to dicide wthether it will be just integer or handle floating point yet. That will depend on how much room is left after the core of the cordic is left. james On 7 May 2009 at 6:50, Frank Swygert wrote: > I think the memory issue has > basically been overcome with the 2MB board, and the other two are > being worked on -- an FPGA GIME and 6809. Once those are done one > could make an adapter board and plug each into a CoCo board, but at > that point it would probably be better to build another board around > the two FPGAs. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu May 7 11:35:38 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:35:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines Message-ID: <014b01c9cf29$7c54a2a0$74fde7e0$@rr.com> We have compiled an impressive collection of Hot Coco and Rainbow magazines. Everyone is invited to look them over via my BBS (see below) The Rainbow magazines I still need are: 82: 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 83: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 85: 5 92: 3 We also need any Hot Coco Magazines, ANY Rainbow on Tape or Rainbow on Disk (actually, it includes ANY Coco related software, magazines, or manuals.) Anyone who has these magazines, please scan and upload to my server ftp://www.sq1bbs.com, username cocoshare, pw: share Downloads are limited to one "cocoshare" and two private logins at a time. Email me privately for your private login. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From exwn8jef at gmail.com Thu May 7 12:15:53 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:15:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. In-Reply-To: <937904.51183.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <937904.51183.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A030939.1020106@gmail.com> Hi Ben, I shipped out your case today. Shipping cost is $9.38 Let me know when you receive it. The post office has a real racket going! :) O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Alan, > > Not sure if you got my email, i sent over my address to you. Thanks again. > > Ben > > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, N8WQ wrote: > > > From: N8WQ > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:43 AM > > > Hi Ben, > I have your package all boxed up. Please send me your shipping address. I will go ahead and mail today. I'm not out to make a profit or anything. I will let you know what the shipping cost is when I get back. I am including the keyboard, case, and screws. > > O. Alan Jones > > -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Ben Jimenez wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm ready when you are you can email me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com with the cost. Thanks. >> >> Ben >> >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: >> >> From: N8WQ >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:33 AM >> >> Hi Ben, >> Sorry for the name confusion factor. >> You can pay me for shipping via Paypal. >> My Paypal address is >> exwn8jef at gmail.com >> Let me find a suitable box to mail the case and keyboard and I will get back to you with the estimated shipping cost. Good luck on your project! I look forward to seeing it come to fruition. >> >> Alan Jones >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From exwn8jef at gmail.com Thu May 7 12:19:16 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:19:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. In-Reply-To: <937904.51183.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <937904.51183.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A030A04.7070305@gmail.com> Folks, sorry for the last email, I meant to send that as a private message. I hope everyone is having a good day. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Alan, > > Not sure if you got my email, i sent over my address to you. Thanks again. > > Ben > > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, N8WQ wrote: > > > From: N8WQ > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:43 AM > > > Hi Ben, > I have your package all boxed up. Please send me your shipping address. I will go ahead and mail today. I'm not out to make a profit or anything. I will let you know what the shipping cost is when I get back. I am including the keyboard, case, and screws. > > O. Alan Jones > > -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Ben Jimenez wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm ready when you are you can email me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com with the cost. Thanks. >> >> Ben >> >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: >> >> From: N8WQ >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:33 AM >> >> Hi Ben, >> Sorry for the name confusion factor. >> You can pay me for shipping via Paypal. >> My Paypal address is >> exwn8jef at gmail.com >> Let me find a suitable box to mail the case and keyboard and I will get back to you with the estimated shipping cost. Good luck on your project! I look forward to seeing it come to fruition. >> >> Alan Jones >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From operator at coco3.com Thu May 7 12:20:40 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 11:20:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Question about CoCoNet In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0905062139o7e73b522uf9c8552d4c08170b@mail.gmail.com > References: <9e22cc9d0905061819n2dc4a06es5162ed37df114cb7@mail.gmail.com> <5d802cd0905062139o7e73b522uf9c8552d4c08170b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090507162141.843F3D4C10@qs281.pair.com> At 11:39 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote: >On 5/6/09, Ed Orbea wrote: > > I have not seen anything posted recently but I might of missed > something. Is > > there any information regarding Roger's CoCoNet. I have his wireless pak, > > and am anticipating the release of CoCoNet. So, is there any information > > available either from Roger or someone else? > > > >Roger has been quiet lately. I hope everything is okay. Just been overall very busy lately. Rewriting the Rainbow IDE from the ground up which is now a Visual Studio .NET solution, so expect the best. One person is currently playing around with a basic build of CoCoNet (6551) on a wireless pak and I'm trying to find time to put in the timeout code which is missing. The bitbanger version still needs that 1% final touch before I'm satisfied with releasing the code. A person playing around with the 6551 version now is running NitrOS-9 wirelessly by way of booting up with DECB (with CoCoNet patches), running the Window servlet, typing DOS, and booting into a CoCoNet-ready version of NitrOS-9... actually, it's just NitrOS-9 with CoCoNetRBF and virtual floppy devices, and ofcourse the 6551 boot module. Just plug the "CoCoNet pak" in, type DOS, and NitrOS-9 is at the prompt within maybe 15 seconds? When I put in the timeout and error code I'll have more people testing, or just release the dern thing but not burn any EPROMs for anybody until enough feedback has been gathered to prove it's working well for Everybody, not just 3 or 4 CoCo setups. Again, CoCoNet will be free software. >While waiting for CoCoNet I have managed to patch the DriveWire >HDB-DOS 1.2D to work with the wireless pak (and most wired serial paks >as well). This gives me wireless Disk Basic but no support for >NitrOS-9. Printing from Basic to the DriveWire server has also been >added. > >If anyone would like a copy of the patched ROM image drop me a message >(off list please). > >Boisy has asked me to make it clear that this patch is not supported >by Cloud-9, so please don't ask him for any help with it. > >Darren > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Thu May 7 13:12:55 2009 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Off topic request In-Reply-To: <4A00F7A2.6010003@embarqmail.com> References: <4A00B4EE.3090909@embarqmail.com> <200905052148.25359.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A00F7A2.6010003@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4A031697.5060502@sbcglobal.net> Dave Check out these. http://www.spacejock.com/RMP_Download.html http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3529 http://www.download32.com/robo-organizer--smart-organizer-and-reminder-software--i33820.html http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/Reminder-11442.shtml Hope these help Dave. John Donaldson Dave Kelly wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: >>> I apologize but this group is about the right age to know if it exists. >>> >>> Is there a program that I can run in the back ground and will pop up a >>> window when it is time for medication. Maybe beep if I'm away from my >>> CP. Need safeguards of some kind like not being dismissed until >>> specifically clicked on ( not overlooked if it is past due ). List >>> which is due at which time. >>> >>> I want it to run on a Linux system >>> >> If you have kde installed, check out kalarm, it might do that for you. >> gnome may have a similar utility too. > Ideally--------- > I would like something that I can configure to pop up a window and > tell me to take my 3 o'clock dose and what it is. And stay there until > I click to dismiss it. > > I would like it to be stand alone, not tied to something else that may > not be running ( Google Calendar ) or taking up background resources. > > I will look into your suggestion. > > Thanks Gene, > Dave > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu May 7 15:46:03 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:46:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Archives wanted Message-ID: <017101c9cf4c$77fc0900$67f41b00$@rr.com> We have compiled an impressive collection of Hot Coco and Rainbow magazines. Everyone is invited to look them over via my BBS (see below) The Rainbow magazines I still need are: 82: July, August, September, October, November, December 83: January, February, March, April, May 85: May 92: March We also need ANY Hot Coco Magazines, ANY Rainbow on Tape or Rainbow on Disk (actually, it includes ANY Coco related software, magazines, or manuals.) Anyone who has these magazines, please scan and upload to my server ftp://www.sq1bbs.com, username cocoshare, pw: share Downloads are limited to one "cocoshare" and two private logins at a time. Email me privately for your private login. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From t.fadden at cox.net Thu May 7 17:32:51 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:32:51 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <014b01c9cf29$7c54a2a0$74fde7e0$@rr.com> References: <014b01c9cf29$7c54a2a0$74fde7e0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4A035383.8090506@cox.net> Hi Bill, Double check on the 92 rainbows, they should be complete. Dez said he had uploaded them. If not, email me privately, and I will arrange for you to get them. Tim Bill wrote: > We have compiled an impressive collection of Hot Coco and Rainbow magazines. > Everyone is invited to look them over via my BBS (see below) > > The Rainbow magazines I still need are: > > 82: 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 > 83: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 > 85: 5 > 92: 3 > > We also need any Hot Coco Magazines, ANY Rainbow on Tape or Rainbow on Disk > (actually, it includes ANY Coco related software, magazines, or manuals.) > > Anyone who has these magazines, please scan and upload to my server > ftp://www.sq1bbs.com, username cocoshare, pw: share > > Downloads are limited to one "cocoshare" and two private logins at a time. > Email me privately for your private login. > > Thanks > ______________________________________ > *Square One Christian BBS > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com > > A Taste of Coco > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From spam_proof at verizon.net Thu May 7 17:42:49 2009 From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:42:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Off topic request In-Reply-To: <4A00B4EE.3090909@embarqmail.com> References: <4A00B4EE.3090909@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <2FF6AF0F-07F6-4D99-B85B-71B2073E8492@verizon.net> I used to actually do just that. At work, I had a regular user account. In my .cshrc (or other login file), I had a little script that ran a series of "at" jobs (if they weren't already there - it printed the date to a file and then would simply exit if the date was the same that was already in the file) to remind me when to take my meds. The at jobs popped up an xmesg (a little utility which you may or may not have on your system where you can pop up a window from the command line) that said "take your meds". There is probably a more eloquent way of doing it, but my way seemed to work nicely for me. Hope that helps. - Aaron p.s. You don't have to be old to need meds. I was in my 30's when I used that little script. On May 5, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Dave Kelly wrote: > I apologize but this group is about the right age to know if it > exists. > > Is there a program that I can run in the back ground and will pop > up a window when it is time for medication. Maybe beep if I'm away > from my CP. Need safeguards of some kind like not being dismissed > until specifically clicked on ( not overlooked if it is past due ). > List which is due at which time. > > I want it to run on a Linux system > > Thanks > Dave > -- > I was with my children at the moment of their breath. > I stood by my father at the moment of his death. > I stand by you at this moment, forever. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Thu May 7 22:09:40 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. Message-ID: <257257.93215.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Payment sent, thanks a lot. ? Ben --- On Thu, 5/7/09, N8WQ wrote: From: N8WQ Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 9:15 AM Hi Ben, I shipped out your case today. Shipping cost is $9.38 Let me know when you receive it. The post office has a real racket going! :) O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ben Jimenez wrote: > Alan, >? > Not sure if you got my email, i sent over my address to you. Thanks again. >? > Ben > > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, N8WQ wrote: > > > From: N8WQ > Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:43 AM > > > Hi Ben, > I have your package all boxed up. Please send me your shipping address. I will go ahead and mail today. I'm not out to make a profit or anything. I will let you know what the shipping cost is when I get back. I am including the keyboard, case, and screws. > > O. Alan Jones > > -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Ben Jimenez wrote: >??? >> Hi, >> >> I'm ready when you are you can email me at ben_jimenez at yahoo.com with the cost. Thanks. >> >> Ben >> >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, N8WQ wrote: >> >> From: N8WQ >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for non working coco case. >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:33 AM >> >> Hi Ben, >> Sorry for the name confusion factor. >> You can pay me for shipping via Paypal. >> My Paypal address is >> exwn8jef at gmail.com >> Let me find a suitable box to mail the case and keyboard and I will get back to you with the estimated shipping cost. Good luck on your project! I look forward to seeing it come to fruition. >> >> Alan Jones >>? ? >>? ??? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >??? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tvefoo at yahoo.com Thu May 7 22:40:09 2009 From: tvefoo at yahoo.com (Tveo Loatouse) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines Message-ID: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just downloaded 4-92.PDF and while looking through it I found it to be corrupted. Not only was it not viewable but also it took four hours to download. So even with the improvements that Bill has tried to include in his (Square One Christian BBS) it is seriously lacking as a way for us to download coco files. I hope I do not sound mean or malice towards Bill in any way because that is not my intention. But, my intention is to have a viable means for us to get coco files. You see I also would like to get March, April, and the May 92 Rainbows and any of the other many coco magazines that were uploaded to his site. That is why I am asking anyone that uploaded Rainbows or coco magazines to Bill's site to please consider also uploading them to the maltedmedia.com ftp site. "Tim Fadden" wrote in message news:4A035383.8090506 at cox.net... > Hi Bill, > > Double check on the 92 rainbows, they should be complete. Dez said he > had uploaded them. > If not, email me privately, and I will arrange for you to get them. > > Tim > > Bill wrote: >> We have compiled an impressive collection of Hot Coco and Rainbow magazines. >> Everyone is invited to look them over via my BBS (see below) >> >> The Rainbow magazines I still need are: >> >> 82: 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 >> 83: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 >> 85: 5 >> 92: 3 >> >> We also need any Hot Coco Magazines, ANY Rainbow on Tape or Rainbow on Disk >> (actually, it includes ANY Coco related software, magazines, or manuals.) >> >> Anyone who has these magazines, please scan and upload to my server >> ftp://www.sq1bbs.com, username cocoshare, pw: share >> >> Downloads are limited to one "cocoshare" and two private logins at a time. >> Email me privately for your private login. >> >> Thanks >> ______________________________________ >> *Square One Christian BBS >> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php >> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com >> >> A Taste of Coco >> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From fwp at deepthought.com Thu May 7 23:36:21 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:36:21 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090508033621.GC26440@warlock.deepthought.com> The more servers the pdfs are stored the better. Let's not put all our eggs in one basket. On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 07:40:09PM -0700, Tveo Loatouse wrote: > > I just downloaded 4-92.PDF and while looking through it I found it to be corrupted. Not only was it not viewable but also it took four hours to download. So even with the improvements that Bill has tried to include in his (Square One Christian BBS) it is seriously lacking as a way for us to download coco files. I hope I do not sound mean or malice towards Bill in any way because that is not my intention. But, my intention is to have a viable means for us to get coco files. You see I also would like to get March, April, and the May 92 Rainbows and any of the other many coco magazines that were uploaded to his site. That is why I am asking anyone that uploaded Rainbows or coco magazines to Bill's site to please consider also uploading them to the maltedmedia.com ftp site. > > "Tim Fadden" wrote in message news:4A035383.8090506 at cox.net... > > Hi Bill, > > > > Double check on the 92 rainbows, they should be complete. Dez said he > > had uploaded them. > > If not, email me privately, and I will arrange for you to get them. > > > > Tim > > > > Bill wrote: > >> We have compiled an impressive collection of Hot Coco and Rainbow magazines. > >> Everyone is invited to look them over via my BBS (see below) > >> > >> The Rainbow magazines I still need are: > >> > >> 82: 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 > >> 83: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 > >> 85: 5 > >> 92: 3 > >> > >> We also need any Hot Coco Magazines, ANY Rainbow on Tape or Rainbow on Disk > >> (actually, it includes ANY Coco related software, magazines, or manuals.) > >> > >> Anyone who has these magazines, please scan and upload to my server > >> ftp://www.sq1bbs.com, username cocoshare, pw: share > >> > >> Downloads are limited to one "cocoshare" and two private logins at a time. > >> Email me privately for your private login. > >> > >> Thanks > >> ______________________________________ > >> *Square One Christian BBS > >> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php > >> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com > >> > >> A Taste of Coco > >> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu May 7 23:39:06 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:39:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <4A035383.8090506@cox.net> References: <014b01c9cf29$7c54a2a0$74fde7e0$@rr.com> <4A035383.8090506@cox.net> Message-ID: <018001c9cf8e$8bc13310$a3439930$@rr.com> He's uploading the 5-85 and 3-92 now. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:33 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > Hi Bill, > > Double check on the 92 rainbows, they should be complete. Dez said he > had uploaded them. > If not, email me privately, and I will arrange for you to get them. > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu May 7 23:42:45 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:42:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018101c9cf8f$0e5a9460$2b0fbd20$@rr.com> I don't doubt the time element, but I just checked the 4/92 magazine, and it's perfect. Possibly something wrong with the download data stream. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tveo Loatouse > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:40 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > > I just downloaded 4-92.PDF and while looking through it I found it to > be corrupted. Not only was it not viewable but also it took four hours > to download From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu May 7 23:51:17 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:51:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <018101c9cf8f$0e5a9460$2b0fbd20$@rr.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018101c9cf8f$0e5a9460$2b0fbd20$@rr.com> Message-ID: <200905072351.17978.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Bill wrote: >I don't doubt the time element, but I just checked the 4/92 magazine, and >it's perfect. Possibly something wrong with the download data stream. > FWIW, windows has been known to do the corrupted download bit quite often. Bill considers that an anti-piracy thing I guess, cuz it was true even back in dos days. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tveo Loatouse >> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:40 PM >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines >> >> >> I just downloaded 4-92.PDF and while looking through it I found it to >> be corrupted. Not only was it not viewable but also it took four hours >> to download > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus. (By mah at ka4ybr.com, Mark A. Horton KA4YBR) From exwn8jef at gmail.com Fri May 8 05:13:41 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:13:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer and Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> References: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A03F7C5.3090904@gmail.com> Well, I take it that the answer is no? I gave up on my Win95 machine because for some reason I was having serial port problems (hardware and not software). So, I decided to build up another WinXP machine. DriveWire3 WinServer is working great. Now I won't have to tie up my laptop. BTW, I am up early today! :) O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home N8WQ wrote: > Has anyone on the list successfully used DriveWire 3 WinServer on a > Win95 machine? > > O. Alan Jones > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 8 06:41:51 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:41:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <200905072351.17978.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018101c9cf8f$0e5a9460$2b0fbd20$@rr.com> <200905072351.17978.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <018b01c9cfc9$993010d0$cb903270$@rr.com> Please don't presume to know what Bill considers, because Bill doesn't even know what you mean by "an anti-piracy thing." I've heard compliments and I've heard complaints about my server. The main complaint is speed, which I can do nothing about. The quality of the downloads seems to be consistently acceptable, according to those who comment. I agree the speed sux, but there is nothing I can do about that. And if you have downloaded from me and gotten a corrupted download, then I suggest you don't download from me. Others will. Have a nice day. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:51 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > FWIW, windows has been known to do the corrupted download bit quite > often. Bill considers that an anti-piracy thing I guess, cuz it was true even > back in dos days. > From boisy at tee-boy.com Fri May 8 07:13:13 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:13:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer and Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <4A03F7C5.3090904@gmail.com> References: <49FB806B.6070609@gmail.com> <4A03F7C5.3090904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <95866C2F-7DE2-43BF-A72D-77F50ABA4C1F@tee-boy.com> Alan, I have never tried, to be honest, but if it doesn't work, it wouldn't surprise me. Glad to hear you have it running on your XP machine though. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On May 8, 2009, at 4:13 AM, N8WQ wrote: > Well, I take it that the answer is no? > I gave up on my Win95 machine because for some reason I was having > serial port problems (hardware and not software). So, I decided to > build up another WinXP machine. DriveWire3 WinServer is working > great. Now I won't have to tie up my laptop. BTW, I am up early > today! :) > > O. Alan Jones > > -- > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > N8WQ wrote: >> Has anyone on the list successfully used DriveWire 3 WinServer on a >> Win95 machine? >> >> O. Alan Jones >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From random_rodder at yahoo.com Fri May 8 07:25:27 2009 From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 04:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <018b01c9cfc9$993010d0$cb903270$@rr.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018101c9cf8f$0e5a9460$2b0fbd20$@rr.com> <200905072351.17978.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <018b01c9cfc9$993010d0$cb903270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <504592.96423.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Bill, My guess is Gene was talking about Bill Gates, not you. ________________________________ From: Bill To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 6:41:51 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines Please don't presume to? know what Bill considers, because Bill doesn't even know what you mean by "an anti-piracy thing." I've heard compliments and I've heard complaints about my server. The main complaint is speed, which I can do nothing about. The quality of the downloads seems to be consistently acceptable, according to those who comment. I agree the speed sux, but there is nothing I can do about that. And if you have downloaded from me and gotten a corrupted download, then I suggest you don't download from me. Others will. Have a nice day. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:51 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > FWIW, windows has been known to do the corrupted download bit quite > often. Bill considers that an anti-piracy thing I guess, cuz it was true even > back in dos days. > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Fri May 8 07:38:13 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:38:13 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] looking for "rebuild" discs for mm-1 by kennith leigh enterprises Message-ID: i know where there is a mm-1 in australia i have been talking to the people who own it they *MIGHT* be willing to part with it someone who reckons they "know-it-all" about computers got to it and screwed the whole she-bang up does anyone know where i can can find a set of reinstall discs for these machines on the net??? From basilf at shaw.ca Fri May 8 07:49:43 2009 From: basilf at shaw.ca (Basil Fitze) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:49:43 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: looking for "rebuild" discs for mm-1 by kennith leigh enterprises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you tried http://www.coco3.com/ someone there might know, what about http://www.cloud9tech.com/ they have NitrOS-9 the people at cloud9 are great and very helpful. I am sure you could install NitrOS-9 on that system if I remember it ran OS-9. I am sure some at eith of those websites could help. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 8 09:19:40 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:19:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <504592.96423.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018101c9cf8f$0e5a9460$2b0fbd20$@rr.com> <200905072351.17978.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <018b01c9cfc9$993010d0$cb903270$@rr.com> <504592.96423.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019501c9cfdf$a99cc510$fcd64f30$@rr.com> Well, Gene, were you speaking of Bill Gates or me? I still have no clue what an "anti-piracy thing" is > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Brian Blake > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:25 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > Bill, > > My guess is Gene was talking about Bill Gates, not you. > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri May 8 10:55:08 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:55:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <018b01c9cfc9$993010d0$cb903270$@rr.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200905072351.17978.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <018b01c9cfc9$993010d0$cb903270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <200905081055.08788.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 08 May 2009, Bill wrote: >Please don't presume to know what Bill considers, because Bill doesn't even >know what you mean by "an anti-piracy thing." I've heard compliments and >I've heard complaints about my server. The main complaint is speed, which I >can do nothing about. The quality of the downloads seems to be consistently >acceptable, according to those who comment. I agree the speed sux, but there >is nothing I can do about that. And if you have downloaded from me and >gotten a corrupted download, then I suggest you don't download from me. >Others will. Wrong Bill, I meant Gates, not you. :) >Have a nice day. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett >> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:51 PM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines >> >> FWIW, windows has been known to do the corrupted download bit quite >> often. Bill considers that an anti-piracy thing I guess, cuz it was true > >even > >> back in dos days. > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Ya'll hear about the geometer who went to the beach to catch some rays and became a tangent ? From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri May 8 10:55:36 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:55:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <504592.96423.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018b01c9cfc9$993010d0$cb903270$@rr.com> <504592.96423.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200905081055.36811.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 08 May 2009, Brian Blake wrote: >Bill, > >My guess is Gene was talking about Bill Gates, not you. > Affirmative. > > >________________________________ >From: Bill >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 6:41:51 AM >Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > >Please don't presume to know what Bill considers, because Bill doesn't even >know what you mean by "an anti-piracy thing." I've heard compliments and >I've heard complaints about my server. The main complaint is speed, which I >can do nothing about. The quality of the downloads seems to be consistently >acceptable, according to those who comment. I agree the speed sux, but there >is nothing I can do about that. And if you have downloaded from me and >gotten a corrupted download, then I suggest you don't download from me. >Others will. > >Have a nice day. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett >> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:51 PM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines >> >> FWIW, windows has been known to do the corrupted download bit quite >> often. Bill considers that an anti-piracy thing I guess, cuz it was true > >even > >> back in dos days. > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A horse breeder has his young colts bottle-fed after they're three days old. He heard that a foal and his mummy are soon parted. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri May 8 11:14:31 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <019501c9cfdf$a99cc510$fcd64f30$@rr.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <504592.96423.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <019501c9cfdf$a99cc510$fcd64f30$@rr.com> Message-ID: <200905081114.31665.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 08 May 2009, Bill wrote: >Well, Gene, were you speaking of Bill Gates or me? Bill Gates & friends of course. It slipped my aging wet ram that your name was also Bill when I posted that, sorry. No insult intended. >I still have no clue what an "anti-piracy thing" is A windows machine, when serving up a compressed file, has been known to treat it as text, converting all the linefeeds to lf+cr's or cr-lf's, & I forget which. Obviously that mucks up a binary file, almost to the point of not being recoverable. Someone handy with a hex editor can probably fix it, but the search & replace is not a time efficient way to spend an evening till 4am doing. When I questioned M$ about that 25 years ago, they simply refused to recognize that there could be any legit reason I would want to move such a file over a modem circuit, why that was "Piracy". The discussion of course got hot and heavy and we agreed to disagree. That discussion has by now cost M$ as I have never paid, other than the M$ tax for xp being on my laptop when I bought it, another M$ tax. I simply don't need it to get the job done so why buy it. When the coco couldn't keep up with the net, then an amiga stepped into the gap, and when that one died in '98, linux was already running on the other desk. OS9 on the coco taught me well, and still does, my coco3 just needs the power cord plugged in at any time to be ready. I can log into it from here even, using minicom. Either wired, or bluetooth thanks to Roger. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A horse breeder has his young colts bottle-fed after they're three days old. He heard that a foal and his mummy are soon parted. From t.fadden at cox.net Fri May 8 11:16:19 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:16:19 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <200905081055.36811.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <018b01c9cfc9$993010d0$cb903270$@rr.com> <504592.96423.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <200905081055.36811.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A044CC3.4070306@cox.net> I think you are referring to using command line ftp. I have seen this. What I discovered is that the dos ftp defaulted to ascii mode, and the nix's defaulted to binary (or visa-versa its been a while!) and they didn't automatically talk to each other of figure out what the file really was. So.... to make sure you didn't get corrupted files, all that needed to be done is specify binary or ascii before you started the up/download, and all was fine. This may still be the case. Tim Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 08 May 2009, Brian Blake wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> My guess is Gene was talking about Bill Gates, not you. >> >> > Affirmative. > >> ________________________________ >> From: Bill >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 6:41:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines >> >> Please don't presume to know what Bill considers, because Bill doesn't even >> know what you mean by "an anti-piracy thing." I've heard compliments and >> I've heard complaints about my server. The main complaint is speed, which I >> can do nothing about. The quality of the downloads seems to be consistently >> acceptable, according to those who comment. I agree the speed sux, but there >> is nothing I can do about that. And if you have downloaded from me and >> gotten a corrupted download, then I suggest you don't download from me. >> Others will. >> >> Have a nice day. >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett >>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:51 PM >>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines >>> >>> FWIW, windows has been known to do the corrupted download bit quite >>> often. Bill considers that an anti-piracy thing I guess, cuz it was true >>> >> even >> >> >>> back in dos days. >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > From keeper63 at cox.net Fri May 8 11:26:40 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A044F30.7070609@cox.net> > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:39:47 -0400 > From: jdaggett at gate.net > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Message-ID: <4A02BA73.21591.786DE5 at jdaggett.gate.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > All > > The CPU module containing the FPGA for the 6809 is laid out and needs verification. The > memory module is also done. It will be a 1Megabyte by 16 10 nS SRAM. Another board > could be done using SDRAM. Now the Main board and peripheral boards are left to design > and lay out. > > What I am doing is shrinking the size of the main Coco board down to 100mm by 80mm > size. Taking a fes of Sock's ideas also into consideration. The CPU FPGA will be capable > of one 6809 plus room left over for a math coprosser or a second 6809. The GIME FPGA is > also large enough to handle VGA desktop of 800x600 pixels at 8 bit color. That is able with > the 2Mbytes of ram. 1Mbyte for video desktop and at least one 640x480 hardware window. > Lower resolutions can have more windows. > > Coding status for the GIME chip is all the registers are done. Need to do the video section > with windowing, and the linear address generater for the video ram access. Also the > multipexor between the CPU and video addresses. > > As for the math coprosser, I have a cordic processor started. It eventually will handle all > division, multiplication and several trig functions. I have yet to dicide wthether it will be just > integer or handle floating point yet. That will depend on how much room is left after the core > of the cordic is left. > > james James, Personally, I would want to see the second 6809, 2 meg of ram, but with a limit of 320x400 with 256 colors (Mode X, more or less), and hardware sprites. If not a second 6809, then a music/sound chipset or something, which the CoCo has sorely lacked forever, barring the SSC and/or Orc-90 (although I hesitate to call the Orc-90 a music/sound chipset - most of the functionality was in the software, the hardware being only a very nice set of DACs for stereo sound). In short, I would like to see a new CoCo be a nice way to learn/do game development, and/or be available as some kind of multimedia SBC or such. Even so, you would be "competing" with the likes of the XGameStation (on the low end of processing power) and the BeagleBoard (on the high end) - both of which are fairly inexpensive. I don't know - I guess it comes down for me to be able to see the CoCo do games as well as an original Nintendo or Sega - currently, I know the graphics capabilities are there (to a point), but the sound has always lacked - SunDog's game offerring showed what could be done (and recent efforts by Roger and others as well), but it never really took off before the end. -- Andrew Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri May 8 11:51:49 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:51:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <4A044CC3.4070306@cox.net> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200905081055.36811.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A044CC3.4070306@cox.net> Message-ID: <200905081151.49603.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 08 May 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: >I think you are referring to using command line ftp. I have seen this. >What I discovered is that the dos ftp defaulted to ascii mode, and the >nix's defaulted to binary (or visa-versa its been a while!) and they >didn't automatically talk to each other of figure out what the file >really was. So.... to make sure you didn't get corrupted files, all >that needed to be done is specify binary or ascii before you started the >up/download, and all was fine. This may still be the case. > >Tim > gah, choke, wheeze. You are making me shuffle around in 15-20 year old memories and the dust is overwhelming, but they do seem to match, that I had to issue the binary command before doing the download if I wanted a good dl. >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 08 May 2009, Brian Blake wrote: >>> Bill, >>> >>> My guess is Gene was talking about Bill Gates, not you. >> >> Affirmative. >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Bill >>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 6:41:51 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines >>> >>> Please don't presume to know what Bill considers, because Bill doesn't >>> even know what you mean by "an anti-piracy thing." I've heard compliments >>> and I've heard complaints about my server. The main complaint is speed, >>> which I can do nothing about. The quality of the downloads seems to be >>> consistently acceptable, according to those who comment. I agree the >>> speed sux, but there is nothing I can do about that. And if you have >>> downloaded from me and gotten a corrupted download, then I suggest you >>> don't download from me. Others will. >>> >>> Have a nice day. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >>>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:51 PM >>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines >>>> >>>> FWIW, windows has been known to do the corrupted download bit quite >>>> often. Bill considers that an anti-piracy thing I guess, cuz it was true >>> >>> even >>> >>>> back in dos days. >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) People who develop the habit of thinking of themselves as world citizens are fulfilling the first requirement of sanity in our time. -- Norman Cousins From bkheath at gmail.com Sat May 9 01:17:35 2009 From: bkheath at gmail.com (bkheath at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: <4A044F30.7070609@cox.net> References: <4A044F30.7070609@cox.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 May 2009, Andrew wrote: >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:39:47 -0400 >> From: jdaggett at gate.net >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Message-ID: <4A02BA73.21591.786DE5 at jdaggett.gate.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> All >> >> The CPU module containing the FPGA for the 6809 is laid out and needs >> verification. The memory module is also done. It will be a 1Megabyte by >> 16 10 nS SRAM. Another board could be done using SDRAM. Now the Main >> board and peripheral boards are left to design and lay out. >> What I am doing is shrinking the size of the main Coco board down to >> 100mm by 80mm size. Taking a fes of Sock's ideas also into consideration. >> The CPU FPGA will be capable of one 6809 plus room left over for a math >> coprosser or a second 6809. The GIME FPGA is also large enough to handle >> VGA desktop of 800x600 pixels at 8 bit color. That is able with the >> 2Mbytes of ram. 1Mbyte for video desktop and at least one 640x480 >> hardware window. Lower resolutions can have more windows. >> Coding status for the GIME chip is all the registers are done. Need to do >> the video section with windowing, and the linear address generater for >> the video ram access. Also the multipexor between the CPU and video >> addresses. >> As for the math coprosser, I have a cordic processor started. It >> eventually will handle all division, multiplication and several trig >> functions. I have yet to dicide wthether it will be just integer or >> handle floating point yet. That will depend on how much room is left >> after the core of the cordic is left. >> james > > James, > > Personally, I would want to see the second 6809, 2 meg of ram, but with a > limit of 320x400 with 256 colors (Mode X, more or less), and hardware > sprites. If not a second 6809, then a music/sound chipset or something, > which the CoCo has sorely lacked forever, barring the SSC and/or Orc-90 > (although I hesitate to call the Orc-90 a music/sound chipset - most of the > functionality was in the software, the hardware being only a very nice set > of DACs for stereo sound). I like the idea of a second 6809. Since you've already got an MMU and fast ram why not do that Motorola dual proc design with the two E clocks 180 out of phase. Set aside a register set in the MMU for "shared" blocks (which could also be none). Then software could configure it with one for I/O one for processing, or one for block devices one for user interface, lot's of possibilities, even independent EDB and OS9 with the shared memory emulating a fast comm link. 'Course I wanted to build a set-up like this back when my hardware bench was available, still do if the chance comes. There should be room, the CPU-CPU memory arbitration logic was pretty simple, though it does involve buffers to isolate another set of address and data lines to keep it from interfering with the interleaved display memory. Just some thoughts. Brett K. Heath From mdelyea at gmail.com Fri May 8 12:58:04 2009 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:58:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: <4A044F30.7070609@cox.net> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80905080958udf69830k7b8e4003b36cd1df@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to see a second 6809 too. I remember seeing some screen shots of a Japanese machine that had 2 6809s with one cpu being used for graphics (I think) and I seem to recall it looked pretty good (found it - heres the link). http://www.nausicaa.net/~lgreenf/fm7page.htm On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM, wrote: > > > On Fri, 8 May 2009, Andrew wrote: > >>> ?Message: 1 >>> ?Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:39:47 -0400 >>> ?From: jdaggett at gate.net >>> ?Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project >>> ?To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>> ?Message-ID: <4A02BA73.21591.786DE5 at jdaggett.gate.net> >>> ?Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>> >>> ?All >>> >>> ?The CPU module containing the FPGA for the 6809 is laid out and needs >>> ?verification. The memory module is also done. It will be a 1Megabyte by >>> ?16 10 nS SRAM. Another board could be done using SDRAM. Now the Main >>> ?board and peripheral boards are left to design and lay out. >>> ?What I am doing is shrinking the size of the main Coco board down to >>> ?100mm by 80mm size. Taking a fes of Sock's ideas also into >>> consideration. >>> ?The CPU ?FPGA will be capable of one 6809 plus room left over for a math >>> ?coprosser or a second 6809. ?The GIME FPGA is also large enough to >>> handle >>> ?VGA desktop of 800x600 pixels at 8 bit color. That is able with the >>> ?2Mbytes of ram. 1Mbyte for video desktop and at least one 640x480 >>> ?hardware window. Lower resolutions can have more windows. >>> ?Coding status for the GIME chip is all the registers are done. Need to >>> do >>> ?the video section with windowing, and the linear address generater for >>> ?the video ram access. Also the multipexor between the CPU and video >>> ?addresses. >>> ?As for the math coprosser, I have a cordic processor started. It >>> ?eventually will handle all division, multiplication and several trig >>> ?functions. I have yet to dicide wthether it will be just integer or >>> ?handle floating point yet. That will depend on how much room is left >>> ?after the core of the cordic is left. >>> ?james >> >> James, >> >> Personally, I would want to see the second 6809, 2 meg of ram, but with a >> limit of 320x400 with 256 colors (Mode X, more or less), and hardware >> sprites. If not a second 6809, then a music/sound chipset or something, >> which the CoCo has sorely lacked forever, barring the SSC and/or Orc-90 >> (although I hesitate to call the Orc-90 a music/sound chipset - most of the >> functionality was in the software, the hardware being only a very nice set >> of DACs for stereo sound). > > I like the idea of a second 6809. Since you've already got an > MMU and fast ram why not do that Motorola dual proc design with > the two E clocks 180 out of phase. Set aside a register set in > the MMU for "shared" blocks (which could also be none). Then > software could configure it with one for I/O one for processing, > or one for block devices one for user interface, lot's of > possibilities, even independent EDB and OS9 with the shared > memory emulating a fast comm link. > > 'Course I wanted to build a set-up like this back when my > hardware bench was available, still do if the chance comes. > > There should be room, the CPU-CPU memory arbitration logic was > pretty simple, though it does involve buffers to isolate another > set of address and data lines to keep it from interfering with > the interleaved display memory. > > Just some thoughts. > > > Brett K. Heath > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 8 13:05:55 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:05:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <200905081114.31665.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <504592.96423.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <019501c9cfdf$a99cc510$fcd64f30$@rr.com> <200905081114.31665.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <019901c9cfff$42b2bd30$c8183790$@rr.com> None taken. Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:15 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > On Friday 08 May 2009, Bill wrote: > >Well, Gene, were you speaking of Bill Gates or me? > > Bill Gates & friends of course. It slipped my aging wet ram that your > name was also Bill when I posted that, sorry. No insult intended. > From jdaggett at gate.net Fri May 8 13:24:25 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:24:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: , <4A044F30.7070609@cox.net>, Message-ID: <4A043289.20899.1D9AAC@jdaggett.gate.net> All are good ideas. Considering that the GIME has limited video capabilities, enhancing the graphics ability of the GIME chip you eliminate the second 6809 to do graphics This can be done by building into the new GIME a graphics processor that takes commands and draws the polygon and line shapes within the configurable graphics window. I lean to more enhancing the graphics capability of the GIME chip over a dual processor 6809. Unless you have OS9 modified to handle dual processors, a coprocessor makes better since with enhanced graphics. Also consider this, a FPGA based system can be made to run considerably faster than the current Coco3. About ten times faster. james On 8 May 2009 at 22:17, bkheath at gmail.com wrote: > > > On Fri, 8 May 2009, Andrew wrote: > > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:39:47 -0400 > >> From: jdaggett at gate.net > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project > >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > >> Message-ID: <4A02BA73.21591.786DE5 at jdaggett.gate.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >> > >> All > >> > >> The CPU module containing the FPGA for the 6809 is laid out and > >> needs verification. The memory module is also done. It will be a > >> 1Megabyte by 16 10 nS SRAM. Another board could be done using > >> SDRAM. Now the Main board and peripheral boards are left to design > >> and lay out. What I am doing is shrinking the size of the main > >> Coco board down to 100mm by 80mm size. Taking a fes of Sock's > >> ideas also into consideration. The CPU FPGA will be capable of > >> one 6809 plus room left over for a math coprosser or a second > >> 6809. The GIME FPGA is also large enough to handle VGA desktop of > >> 800x600 pixels at 8 bit color. That is able with the 2Mbytes of > >> ram. 1Mbyte for video desktop and at least one 640x480 hardware > >> window. Lower resolutions can have more windows. Coding status for > >> the GIME chip is all the registers are done. Need to do the video > >> section with windowing, and the linear address generater for the > >> video ram access. Also the multipexor between the CPU and video > >> addresses. As for the math coprosser, I have a cordic processor > >> started. It eventually will handle all division, multiplication > >> and several trig functions. I have yet to dicide wthether it will > >> be just integer or handle floating point yet. That will depend on > >> how much room is left after the core of the cordic is left. james > > > > James, > > > > Personally, I would want to see the second 6809, 2 meg of ram, but > > with a limit of 320x400 with 256 colors (Mode X, more or less), and > > hardware sprites. If not a second 6809, then a music/sound chipset > > or something, which the CoCo has sorely lacked forever, barring the > > SSC and/or Orc-90 (although I hesitate to call the Orc-90 a > > music/sound chipset - most of the functionality was in the software, > > the hardware being only a very nice set of DACs for stereo sound). > > I like the idea of a second 6809. Since you've already got an > MMU and fast ram why not do that Motorola dual proc design with > the two E clocks 180 out of phase. Set aside a register set in > the MMU for "shared" blocks (which could also be none). Then > software could configure it with one for I/O one for processing, > or one for block devices one for user interface, lot's of > possibilities, even independent EDB and OS9 with the shared > memory emulating a fast comm link. > > 'Course I wanted to build a set-up like this back when my > hardware bench was available, still do if the chance comes. > > There should be room, the CPU-CPU memory arbitration logic was > pretty simple, though it does involve buffers to isolate another > set of address and data lines to keep it from interfering with > the interleaved display memory. > > Just some thoughts. > > > Brett K. Heath > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 8 13:29:01 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:29:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] =?iso-8859-1?q?My_2=A2_worth_Was=3A_RE=3A__Needed_Rainbow_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Magazines?= In-Reply-To: <200905081151.49603.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200905081055.36811.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A044CC3.4070306@cox.net> <200905081151.49603.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <019a01c9d002$7bc8f7d0$735ae770$@rr.com> My FTP is being run on my personal BBS machine (a Mobile AMD Athlon XM-P 3000+ processor, 448Mb of RAM, and a WDC 250Gb hard drive). We are connected to a WebStar cable modem through a TrendNet TEW-431BRP router. We have standard 5MB cable service. I know the machine itself is capable, but the cable service is not. It's too slow, therefore my speeds are crappy. Everyone is welcome to connect to download anything I have, but as I said before, the more that connect, the slower the speeds. I have noticed that the middle of the day (1pm-6pm EDT) and the middle of the night (1am-8am EDT) are the best (least activity) times to connect. I'm allowing ONE "cocoshare (anonymous)", TWO private, and ONE continuous upload connection at a time. That seems to be the best combination I've found. As I type this message, I have the upload connection and one private connection. The upload speed is averaging 18KB/s, and the download is running at 41KBs. My FTP is open to all, but PLEASE don't complain to me about speeds. Take care, and God bless From t.fadden at cox.net Fri May 8 14:13:54 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:13:54 -0700 Subject: [Coco] =?iso-8859-1?q?My_2=A2_worth_Was=3A_RE=3A__Needed_Rainbow_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Magazines?= In-Reply-To: <019a01c9d002$7bc8f7d0$735ae770$@rr.com> References: <748493.3366.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200905081055.36811.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A044CC3.4070306@cox.net> <200905081151.49603.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <019a01c9d002$7bc8f7d0$735ae770$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4A047662.9080907@cox.net> Bill, Thats too fast dude! My coco can't keep up! ha ha ha Just kidding, thanks for the sharing! Tim Bill wrote: > My FTP is being run on my personal BBS machine (a Mobile AMD Athlon XM-P > 3000+ processor, 448Mb of RAM, and a WDC 250Gb hard drive). We are connected > to a WebStar cable modem through a TrendNet TEW-431BRP router. We have > standard 5MB cable service. > > I know the machine itself is capable, but the cable service is not. It's too > slow, therefore my speeds are crappy. > > Everyone is welcome to connect to download anything I have, but as I said > before, the more that connect, the slower the speeds. > > I have noticed that the middle of the day (1pm-6pm EDT) and the middle of > the night (1am-8am EDT) are the best (least activity) times to connect. > > I'm allowing ONE "cocoshare (anonymous)", TWO private, and ONE continuous > upload connection at a time. That seems to be the best combination I've > found. > > As I type this message, I have the upload connection and one private > connection. The upload speed is averaging 18KB/s, and the download is > running at 41KBs. > > My FTP is open to all, but PLEASE don't complain to me about speeds. > > Take care, and God bless > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri May 8 14:59:11 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] My 2¢ worth Was: RE: Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <019a01c9d002$7bc8f7d0$735ae770$@rr.com> Message-ID: <647779.30469.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, Again thank you for hosting the FTP. I am downloading right now (Noon PST) and am getting about 30KB/s which is great. I am only grabbing one file at a time so as not to tie up more bandwidth than I need to. You are right that during USA "prime time" hours things slow down and off hours it moves along just fine. Thanks again! Derek Bill wrote: My FTP is being run on my personal BBS machine (a Mobile AMD Athlon XM-P 3000+ processor, 448Mb of RAM, and a WDC 250Gb hard drive). We are connected to a WebStar cable modem through a TrendNet TEW-431BRP router. We have standard 5MB cable service. I know the machine itself is capable, but the cable service is not. It's too slow, therefore my speeds are crappy. Everyone is welcome to connect to download anything I have, but as I said before, the more that connect, the slower the speeds. I have noticed that the middle of the day (1pm-6pm EDT) and the middle of the night (1am-8am EDT) are the best (least activity) times to connect. I'm allowing ONE "cocoshare (anonymous)", TWO private, and ONE continuous upload connection at a time. That seems to be the best combination I've found. As I type this message, I have the upload connection and one private connection. The upload speed is averaging 18KB/s, and the download is running at 41KBs. My FTP is open to all, but PLEASE don't complain to me about speeds. Take care, and God bless -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 8 15:39:33 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] My 2" worth Was: RE: Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <647779.30469.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <019a01c9d002$7bc8f7d0$735ae770$@rr.com> <647779.30469.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019b01c9d014$b8e57aa0$2ab06fe0$@rr.com> Is there ANYONE who is REAL good with BulletProof FTP server or Serv-U FTP server? I need some advice about setting them up. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Derek > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:59 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] My 2" worth Was: RE: Needed Rainbow Magazines > > Bill, > > Again thank you for hosting the FTP. I am downloading right now (Noon > PST) and am getting about 30KB/s which is great. I am only grabbing one > file at a time so as not to tie up more bandwidth than I need to. You > are right that during USA "prime time" hours things slow down and off > hours it moves along just fine. > From boisy at tee-boy.com Fri May 8 16:35:41 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:35:41 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RELIC 2 Message-ID: <6877BC09-460E-4FED-913C-648405460456@tee-boy.com> This is somewhat pertinent to the CoCo, and since I've gotten a few emails about the status of RELIC and Ragin' Basic, I thought I would post. This afternoon I presented RELIC 2, my current semester project, to my graduate professor. RELIC 2 has been rewritten in Java and a new back- end has been created for the PowerPC and CELL processors. Now it is possible to write programs in a language similar to Basic09 and compile them for the 6809 under NitrOS-9, PowerPC under Mac OS X and CELL processor under Linux. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com From exwn8jef at gmail.com Fri May 8 17:30:28 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:30:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RELIC 2 In-Reply-To: <6877BC09-460E-4FED-913C-648405460456@tee-boy.com> References: <6877BC09-460E-4FED-913C-648405460456@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <4A04A474.30908@gmail.com> Boisy, Congratulations! I like the name too! O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional Boisy Pitre wrote: > This is somewhat pertinent to the CoCo, and since I've gotten a few > emails about the status of RELIC and Ragin' Basic, I thought I would > post. > > This afternoon I presented RELIC 2, my current semester project, to my > graduate professor. RELIC 2 has been rewritten in Java and a new > back-end has been created for the PowerPC and CELL processors. Now it > is possible to write programs in a language similar to Basic09 and > compile them for the 6809 under NitrOS-9, PowerPC under Mac OS X and > CELL processor under Linux. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From farna at att.net Fri May 8 17:35:34 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:35:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project Message-ID: <4A04A5A6.7030103@att.net> This makes the most sense James! While any software written for the enhanced machine will only run on it, running older software shouldn't be a problem. The dual processor machine would at a minimum need an enhanced version of Nitros-9 (or OS-9) just to be able to run at all -- zero backwards compatibility, even of the operating system. Even the DECB fans like myself realize that it's not conducive to easy backwards compatible enhancements, but Nitros is. And I realized a long time ago that OS-9 is where all the real activity is, especially for new stuff. Not much for DECB. If you just want DECB it's easy enough to keep an old CoCo running or use an emulator. ------- Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:24:25 -0400 From: jdaggett at gate.net All are good ideas. Considering that the GIME has limited video capabilities, enhancing the graphics ability of the GIME chip you eliminate the second 6809 to do graphics This can be done by building into the new GIME a graphics processor that takes commands and draws the polygon and line shapes within the configurable graphics window. I lean to more enhancing the graphics capability of the GIME chip over a dual processor 6809. Unless you have OS9 modified to handle dual processors, a coprocessor makes better since with enhanced graphics. Also consider this, a FPGA based system can be made to run considerably faster than the current Coco3. About ten times faster. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From jdaggett at gate.net Fri May 8 17:58:16 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:58:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: <4A04A5A6.7030103@att.net> References: <4A04A5A6.7030103@att.net> Message-ID: <4A0472B8.17752.6F4C3@jdaggett.gate.net> Frank My thoughts to were along that line. Most of the enhancements would be best used by OS9. I still have the ability to run DECB in a window and using a modern monitor. There are a couple of ways to do this. WIth an SPI interface storing and retrieving programs and OS' are rather easy. The XC2S250E has 12 2Kbyte block rams that can be configured as ROMs. It would be no real problem to write a small bios that can be used to boot DECB or NitrOS9/OS9. james On 8 May 2009 at 17:35, Frank Swygert wrote: > This makes the most sense James! While any software written for the > enhanced machine will only run on it, running older software shouldn't > be a problem. The dual processor machine would at a minimum need an > enhanced version of Nitros-9 (or OS-9) just to be able to run at all > -- zero backwards compatibility, even of the operating system. Even > the DECB fans like myself realize that it's not conducive to easy > backwards compatible enhancements, but Nitros is. And I realized a > long time ago that OS-9 is where all the real activity is, especially > for new stuff. Not much for DECB. If you just want DECB it's easy > enough to keep an old CoCo running or use an emulator. > > ------- > Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:24:25 -0400 > From: jdaggett at gate.net > > All are good ideas. > > Considering that the GIME has limited video capabilities, enhancing > the graphics ability of the GIME chip you eliminate the second 6809 to > do graphics This can be done by building into the new GIME a graphics > processor that takes commands and draws the polygon and line shapes > within the configurable graphics window. > > I lean to more enhancing the graphics capability of the GIME chip over > a dual processor 6809. Unless you have OS9 modified to handle dual > processors, a coprocessor makes better since with enhanced graphics. > Also consider this, a FPGA based system can be made to run > considerably faster than the current Coco3. About ten times faster. > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From twospruces at gmail.com Fri May 8 18:16:12 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:16:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: <4A0472B8.17752.6F4C3@jdaggett.gate.net> References: <4A04A5A6.7030103@att.net> <4A0472B8.17752.6F4C3@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: Power up of the machine may be delayed while the FPGA downloads it's brain. Any idea what to expect? ..Steve On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, wrote: > Frank > > My thoughts to were along that line. Most of the enhancements would be > best used by OS9. I still have the ability to run DECB in a window and > using a modern monitor. There are a couple of ways to do this. WIth an SPI > interface storing and retrieving programs and OS' are rather easy. The > XC2S250E has 12 2Kbyte block rams that can be configured as ROMs. It > would be no real problem to write a small bios that can be used to boot > DECB or NitrOS9/OS9. > > james > > On 8 May 2009 at 17:35, Frank Swygert wrote: > >> This makes the most sense James! While any software written for the >> enhanced machine will only run on it, running older software shouldn't >> be a problem. The dual processor machine would at a minimum need an >> enhanced version of Nitros-9 (or OS-9) just to be able to run at all >> -- zero backwards compatibility, even of the operating system. Even >> the DECB fans like myself realize that it's not conducive to easy >> backwards compatible enhancements, but Nitros is. And I realized a >> long time ago that OS-9 is where all the real activity is, especially >> for new stuff. Not much for DECB. If you just want DECB it's easy >> enough to keep an old CoCo running or use an emulator. >> >> ------- >> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:24:25 -0400 >> From: jdaggett at gate.net >> >> All are good ideas. >> >> Considering that the GIME has limited video capabilities, enhancing >> the graphics ability of the GIME chip you eliminate the second 6809 to >> do graphics This can be done by building into the new GIME a graphics >> processor that takes commands and draws the polygon and line shapes >> within the configurable graphics window. >> >> I lean to more enhancing the graphics capability of the GIME chip over >> a dual processor 6809. Unless you have OS9 modified to handle dual >> processors, a coprocessor makes better since with enhanced graphics. >> Also consider this, a FPGA based system can be made to run >> considerably faster than the current Coco3. About ten times faster. >> >> -- >> Frank Swygert >> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" >> Magazine (AMC) >> For all AMC enthusiasts >> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html >> (free download available!) >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri May 8 18:15:20 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:15:20 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] looking for "rebuild" discs for mm-1 bykennith leigh enterprises References: Message-ID: <059DA31C872D45FAB42B0184B98887D9@master> stinger, I have an MM/1 and I have the complete (AFAIK) set of install disks. I think I even imaged them recently. I'll do a search (of my own computers) for that. There's a large amount of MM/1 software available on both RTSI and MaltedMedia. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "stinger30au" To: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] looking for "rebuild" discs for mm-1 bykennith leigh enterprises >i know where there is a mm-1 in australia > > i have been talking to the people who own it > > they *MIGHT* be willing to part with it > > > someone who reckons they "know-it-all" about computers got to it and > screwed the whole she-bang up > > does anyone know where i can can find a set of reinstall discs for these > machines on the net??? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri May 8 18:31:54 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:31:54 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] looking for "rebuild" discs for mm-1 bykennith leigh enterprises References: Message-ID: As far as I know there were only three MM/1 computers in Australia. One belonged to Don Berrie (which I now have) and one to Andrew Donaldson. I think Fred Remin owned the last one, but not sure. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "stinger30au" To: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] looking for "rebuild" discs for mm-1 bykennith leigh enterprises >i know where there is a mm-1 in australia > > i have been talking to the people who own it > > they *MIGHT* be willing to part with it > > > someone who reckons they "know-it-all" about computers got to it and > screwed the whole she-bang up > > does anyone know where i can can find a set of reinstall discs for these > machines on the net??? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From marcus.chiado at gmail.com Fri May 8 18:59:07 2009 From: marcus.chiado at gmail.com (Marcus Vinicius Garrett Chiado) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:59:07 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Complete in box Orchestra 90 cartridge for sale. Message-ID: <94583fe40905081559wb47f333u99c7f4d535168788@mail.gmail.com> Contact me in private, please. It?s complete in box and in pristine condition. Item is in Brazil. Thanks, MARCUS VINICIUS GARRETT CHIADO Editor da Jogos 80: http://www.jogos80.com ?lbum da minha cole??o: http://garrettimus.org/nova_colecao/ Meu blog de games: http://garrettimus.wordpress.com/ Meu blog de Terror: http://terrorvision.wordpress.com/ Colecionador de videogames antigos e de micros 8 bits "Quem tem um(a) filho(a), tem o maior tesouro do mundo" From exwn8jef at gmail.com Fri May 8 19:47:02 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 19:47:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 Message-ID: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> Today I started to delve into using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3. I actually got out the DriveWire 3 user manual today and read it! Duh! :) I didn't realize that I can have 4 virtual hard drives, each with 256 virtual disk images! Boisy, this is amazing software. You did a great job! Is it possible to also have a NitrOS-9 virtual hard drive to use with DriveWire 3 WinServer? O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional From t.fadden at cox.net Fri May 8 19:58:47 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:58:47 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A04C737.4010707@cox.net> Alan, The HD image supplied has nitros9 on it already. I have a HDB-DOS rom, only for the drive wire access on one of my machines. On the other that has 2 scsi drives, I created a boot disk with the drivewire drivers and descriptors. I used dmode to on two of the dw descriptors to make them the same size as my hard drives. One 105meg, and the other 207meg. using the tools I created two images of the proper number of sectors, and mounted them. Now I can use dsave to backup my hard drives to the DW3 server, and restore etc. Works great! I also created a floppy boot disk with /x0 as /DD! Start the boot from floppy, /dd takes over, and now I am running off of DW3. Great for setting up a new hard drive on the coco. The choices are endless. Tim Fadden P.S. Whats the O for? My dad's name was Orville. ;-) N8WQ wrote: > Today I started to delve into using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3. I > actually got out the DriveWire 3 user manual today and read it! Duh! :) > > I didn't realize that I can have 4 virtual hard drives, each with 256 > virtual disk images! Boisy, this is amazing software. You did a great > job! > > Is it possible to also have a NitrOS-9 virtual hard drive to use with > DriveWire 3 WinServer? > > O. Alan Jones > > -- > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From exwn8jef at gmail.com Fri May 8 20:13:03 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 20:13:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A04C737.4010707@cox.net> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> <4A04C737.4010707@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A04CA8F.7040300@gmail.com> Hi Tim, I forgot to mention that I am using the HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 ROM and not a actual physical hard drive, sorry about that. The "O" stands for Orville. My father's name is also Orville. It sounds like you have a nice system there. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional Tim Fadden wrote: > Alan, > > The HD image supplied has nitros9 on it already. I have a HDB-DOS rom, > only for the drive wire access on one of my machines. On the other > that has 2 scsi drives, I created a boot disk with the drivewire > drivers and descriptors. I used dmode to on two of the dw descriptors > to make them the same size as my hard drives. One 105meg, and the > other 207meg. using the tools I created two images of the proper > number of sectors, and mounted them. Now I can use dsave to backup my > hard drives to the DW3 server, and restore etc. Works great! I also > created a floppy boot disk with /x0 as /DD! Start the boot from > floppy, /dd takes over, and now I am running off of DW3. Great for > setting up a new hard drive on the coco. The choices are endless. > > Tim Fadden > > P.S. Whats the O for? My dad's name was Orville. ;-) > > N8WQ wrote: >> Today I started to delve into using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3. I >> actually got out the DriveWire 3 user manual today and read it! Duh! :) >> >> I didn't realize that I can have 4 virtual hard drives, each with 256 >> virtual disk images! Boisy, this is amazing software. You did a great >> job! >> >> Is it possible to also have a NitrOS-9 virtual hard drive to use with >> DriveWire 3 WinServer? >> >> O. Alan Jones >> >> -- >> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio >> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home >> CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From t.fadden at cox.net Fri May 8 20:38:10 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:38:10 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A04CA8F.7040300@gmail.com> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> <4A04C737.4010707@cox.net> <4A04CA8F.7040300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A04D072.6060903@cox.net> Yes, I understood that. I also have a stock 512k coco with the HDB-DOS DriveWire 3 ROM. And it will boot into nitros9 with the "dos" command from the hard disk image supplied. I guess I added too much extra info, and confused the issue. Tim N8WQ wrote: > Hi Tim, > I forgot to mention that I am using the HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 ROM > and not a actual physical hard drive, sorry about that. The "O" stands > for Orville. My father's name is also Orville. It sounds like you have > a nice system there. > > O. Alan Jones > From fwp at deepthought.com Fri May 8 21:21:37 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:21:37 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090509012137.GE26440@warlock.deepthought.com> Of course!! :-) On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:47:02PM -0400, N8WQ wrote: > Today I started to delve into using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3. I actually > got out the DriveWire 3 user manual today and read it! Duh! :) > > I didn't realize that I can have 4 virtual hard drives, each with 256 > virtual disk images! Boisy, this is amazing software. You did a great > job! > > Is it possible to also have a NitrOS-9 virtual hard drive to use with > DriveWire 3 WinServer? > > O. Alan Jones > > -- > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From bookworm at cavenet.com Fri May 8 22:16:00 2009 From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 02:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net> <4A02BA73.21591.786DE5@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: *WOW*!!! This is amazing. But there's one thing that's not quite clear: Will your new GIME and 6809 plug into an existing CoCo 3 motherboard, or is this some kind of replacement project? From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Fri May 8 22:21:28 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:21:28 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RELIC 2 In-Reply-To: <6877BC09-460E-4FED-913C-648405460456@tee-boy.com> References: <6877BC09-460E-4FED-913C-648405460456@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <20090509022128.GB4823@virgo.sdc.org> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 03:35:41PM -0500, Boisy Pitre wrote: > This afternoon I presented RELIC 2, my current semester project, to my > graduate professor. Wow! That's really cool! My compiler class project was a Python subset, and I'm afraid I lost the code in a hard drive crash. :-( But I know how much work a compiler is. Congratulations! Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From jdaggett at gate.net Fri May 8 22:35:52 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, Message-ID: <4A04B3C8.6520.26742D@jdaggett.gate.net> Not at this time. That requires a sandwich of two boards to make it fit back into the PLCC socket. I don't partticularly like to do double sided reflow at home. I do not have two different temperature solders to do that. So I woould have to do two boards. One for the FPGA and a second to inerface to the PLCC socket. james On 9 May 2009 at 2:16, Bookworm wrote: > *WOW*!!! > > This is amazing. But there's one thing that's not quite clear: Will > your new GIME and 6809 plug into an existing CoCo 3 motherboard, or is > this some kind of replacement project? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdaggett at gate.net Fri May 8 23:08:33 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: <4A04A5A6.7030103@att.net>, <4A0472B8.17752.6F4C3@jdaggett.gate.net>, Message-ID: <4A04BB71.15506.446084@jdaggett.gate.net> On 8 May 2009 at 18:16, Stephen Adolph wrote: > Power up of the machine may be delayed while the FPGA downloads it's > brain. Any idea what to expect? > > ..Steve > Just ball park figures. Using serial configuration methods either from the platform prom or from SPI flash should be less than a second. power suppplies will stablize within 50 mS. After that there is a 5mS for the configuration to start. Here is where the major delay can occur. Since there will be two FPGAs if I daisy chain off of one platform flash or a large SPI flash then I double the configuration time since one configures then the other. I can also design so that both FPGAs configure at the same time with their own separate configuration memory. Then I have to halt configuration of one until the other confiures. Still in all I would expect less than a second before the start of code execution. Each FPGA should configure in less than 300mS for XC3S250E. The XC3S500E could add another couple hundred mS to the time. james james > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, wrote: > > Frank > > > > My thoughts to were along that line. Most of the enhancements would > > be best used by OS9. I still have the ability to run DECB in a > > window and using a modern monitor. There are a couple of ways to do > > this. WIth an SPI interface storing and retrieving programs and OS' > > are rather easy. The XC2S250E has 12 2Kbyte block rams that can be > > configured as ROMs. It would be no real problem to write a small > > bios that can be used to boot DECB or NitrOS9/OS9. > > > > james > > > > On 8 May 2009 at 17:35, Frank Swygert wrote: > > > >> This makes the most sense James! While any software written for the > >> enhanced machine will only run on it, running older software > >> shouldn't be a problem. The dual processor machine would at a > >> minimum need an enhanced version of Nitros-9 (or OS-9) just to be > >> able to run at all -- zero backwards compatibility, even of the > >> operating system. Even the DECB fans like myself realize that it's > >> not conducive to easy backwards compatible enhancements, but Nitros > >> is. And I realized a long time ago that OS-9 is where all the real > >> activity is, especially for new stuff. Not much for DECB. If you > >> just want DECB it's easy enough to keep an old CoCo running or use > >> an emulator. > >> > >> ------- > >> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:24:25 -0400 > >> From: jdaggett at gate.net > >> > >> All are good ideas. > >> > >> Considering that the GIME has limited video capabilities, enhancing > >> the graphics ability of the GIME chip you eliminate the second 6809 > >> to do graphics This can be done by building into the new GIME a > >> graphics processor that takes commands and draws the polygon and > >> line shapes within the configurable graphics window. > >> > >> I lean to more enhancing the graphics capability of the GIME chip > >> over a dual processor 6809. Unless you have OS9 modified to handle > >> dual processors, a coprocessor makes better since with enhanced > >> graphics. Also consider this, a FPGA based system can be made to > >> run considerably faster than the current Coco3. About ten times > >> faster. > >> > >> -- > >> Frank Swygert > >> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > >> Magazine (AMC) > >> For all AMC enthusiasts > >> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > >> (free download available!) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cappy2112 at gmail.com Sat May 9 00:40:43 2009 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:40:43 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rapid share downloads Message-ID: <8249c4ac0905082140v47494fe9y4f159bffd60c8da4@mail.gmail.com> Did anyone here signup for a premium account ? I've just signed up- and I'm really not impressed with the speed. it doesn't look like it's any faster than the free donwload. I've got a DSL account with the 3rd from the lowest download speed. The only benefit is that you don't have to wait. From tonym at compusource.net Sat May 9 01:03:39 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 05:03:39 GMT Subject: [Coco] Rapid share downloads Message-ID: <200905090103237.SM05372@[208.76.35.239]> >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony Cappellini cappy2112 at gmail.com >Sent 5/9/2009 12:40:43 AM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: [Coco] Rapid share downloads > >Did anyone here signup for a premium account ? > >I've just signed up- and I'm really not impressed with the speed. >it doesn't look like it's any faster than the free donwload. I've got a DSL >account with the 3rd from the lowest download speed. > >The only benefit is that you don't have to wait. > That's not quite true... When I download at work (4 x DS3's), free downloads are throttled at about 160-180KB/sec. On top of that, you can only do a single download. Yesterday, using a premium account, I was downloading 8 at a time under opera, and getting 250-300KB/sec on all 8 simultaneously. If you calculate that out, you're looking at about 16-18Mbits/sec! Single file download speeds were in the 450-550KB/sec range. Free downloads are only allowed single at-a-time downloads, and you have to wait 15min per like 100 or 200mb or so. T From kishtailor at lavabit.com Sat May 9 05:35:46 2009 From: kishtailor at lavabit.com (Kish Tailor) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:35:46 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Rapid share downloads In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0905082140v47494fe9y4f159bffd60c8da4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0905082140v47494fe9y4f159bffd60c8da4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a premium account also. As I have a 50mb connection with virgin cable I can download a 100mb rar file with a few minutes. Top speed of 35mb per second. It must be your ip connection. Sent via iPhone by O2 On 9 May 2009, at 05:40, Tony Cappellini wrote: > Did anyone here signup for a premium account ? > > I've just signed up- and I'm really not impressed with the speed. > it doesn't look like it's any faster than the free donwload. I've > got a DSL > account with the 3rd from the lowest download speed. > > The only benefit is that you don't have to wait. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Free information - Learn about Criminal Lawyers. Click here. > http://ads.lavabit.com/fc/BLSrjwr2IC1P0jkhahQfMqpLKnn8TOb1BbRiviJznAEADUdzZVokABiatEk/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ From twospruces at gmail.com Sat May 9 07:04:18 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:04:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: <4A04BB71.15506.446084@jdaggett.gate.net> References: <4A04A5A6.7030103@att.net> <4A0472B8.17752.6F4C3@jdaggett.gate.net> <4A04BB71.15506.446084@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: Ok, that's very fast. I worked on a product that had 14 virtex2 pro parts on it, and it took a minute to load. ..Steve >> > > Just ball park figures. Using serial configuration methods either from the > platform prom or from SPI flash should be less than a second. > > power suppplies will stablize within 50 mS. After that there is a 5mS for the > configuration to start. Here is where the major delay can occur. Since there > will be two FPGAs if I daisy chain off of one platform flash or a large SPI > flash then I double the configuration time since one configures then the > other. I can also design so that both FPGAs configure at the same time > with their own separate configuration memory. Then I have to halt > configuration of one until the other confiures. Still in all I would expect less > than a second before the start of code execution. > > Each FPGA should configure in less than 300mS for XC3S250E. The > XC3S500E could add another couple hundred mS to the time. > > james > > > > james >> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, ? wrote: >> > Frank >> > >> > My thoughts to were along that line. Most of the enhancements would >> > be best used by OS9. I still have the ability to run DECB in a >> > window and using a modern monitor. There are a couple of ways to do >> > this. WIth an SPI interface storing and retrieving programs and OS' >> > are rather easy. The XC2S250E has 12 2Kbyte block rams that can be >> > configured as ROMs. It would be no real problem to write a small >> > bios that can be used to boot DECB or NitrOS9/OS9. >> > >> > james >> > >> > On 8 May 2009 at 17:35, Frank Swygert wrote: >> > >> >> This makes the most sense James! While any software written for the >> >> enhanced machine will only run on it, running older software >> >> shouldn't be a problem. The dual processor machine would at a >> >> minimum need an enhanced version of Nitros-9 (or OS-9) just to be >> >> able to run at all -- zero backwards compatibility, even of the >> >> operating system. Even the DECB fans like myself realize that it's >> >> not conducive to easy backwards compatible enhancements, but Nitros >> >> is. And I realized a long time ago that OS-9 is where all the real >> >> activity is, especially for new stuff. Not much for DECB. If you >> >> just want DECB it's easy enough to keep an old CoCo running or use >> >> an emulator. >> >> >> >> ------- >> >> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:24:25 -0400 >> >> From: jdaggett at gate.net >> >> >> >> All are good ideas. >> >> >> >> Considering that the GIME has limited video capabilities, enhancing >> >> the graphics ability of the GIME chip you eliminate the second 6809 >> >> to do graphics This can be done by building into the new GIME a >> >> graphics processor that takes commands and draws the polygon and >> >> line shapes within the configurable graphics window. >> >> >> >> I lean to more enhancing the graphics capability of the GIME chip >> >> over a dual processor 6809. Unless you have OS9 modified to handle >> >> dual processors, a coprocessor makes better since with enhanced >> >> graphics. Also consider this, a FPGA based system can be made to >> >> run considerably faster than the current Coco3. About ten times >> >> faster. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Frank Swygert >> >> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" >> >> Magazine (AMC) >> >> For all AMC enthusiasts >> >> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html >> >> (free download available!) >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Coco mailing list >> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Coco mailing list >> > Coco at maltedmedia.com >> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sat May 9 07:21:27 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 07:21:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FORTH Issue? Message-ID: <4A056737.5010409@gmail.com> Does anyone on the list know where I can get a .pdf copy of August 1980 issue of Byte Magazine? O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sat May 9 09:07:58 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:07:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <20090509012137.GE26440@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> <20090509012137.GE26440@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <4A05802E.4080003@gmail.com> Where can I download a .vhd for NitrOS-9 that I can use with the DriveWire 3 WinServer? or does the current "nos96309l2_dw3.dsk" I am using self expand like the DECB .dsk images? O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional Frank Pittel wrote: > Of course!! :-) > > > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:47:02PM -0400, N8WQ wrote: > >> Today I started to delve into using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3. I actually >> got out the DriveWire 3 user manual today and read it! Duh! :) >> >> I didn't realize that I can have 4 virtual hard drives, each with 256 >> virtual disk images! Boisy, this is amazing software. You did a great >> job! >> >> Is it possible to also have a NitrOS-9 virtual hard drive to use with >> DriveWire 3 WinServer? >> >> O. Alan Jones >> >> -- >> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio >> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home >> CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From rga24 at cantab.net Sat May 9 09:15:28 2009 From: rga24 at cantab.net (Richard Atkinson) Date: 09 May 2009 14:15:28 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Complete in box Orchestra 90 cartridge for sale. In-Reply-To: <94583fe40905081559wb47f333u99c7f4d535168788@mail.gmail.com> References: <94583fe40905081559wb47f333u99c7f4d535168788@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Marcus, I'm quite interested in this. Richard On May 8 2009, Marcus Vinicius Garrett Chiado wrote: >Contact me in private, please. > >It?s complete in box and in pristine condition. Item is in Brazil. > > > >Thanks, > >MARCUS VINICIUS GARRETT CHIADO >Editor da Jogos 80: http://www.jogos80.com >?lbum da minha cole??o: http://garrettimus.org/nova_colecao/ >Meu blog de games: http://garrettimus.wordpress.com/ >Meu blog de Terror: http://terrorvision.wordpress.com/ >Colecionador de videogames antigos e de micros 8 bits >"Quem tem um(a) filho(a), tem o maior tesouro do mundo" > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sat May 9 09:53:45 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 06:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rapid share downloads In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0905082140v47494fe9y4f159bffd60c8da4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <265668.38419.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tony, I have a premium account and it seems the speed is not in getting a single file at one time but in multiple files. When I download 1 file at a time sometimes I get 150K/bps but if I download 5 files at once I get 150K/bps per file. Other times I will download 1 file and get 1.2MB/bps but it really depends on which server your downloading from. Also using a download manager that allows multiple chunks download options (I use Down Them All for Firefox) will also boost speed. Tony Cappellini wrote: Did anyone here signup for a premium account ? I've just signed up- and I'm really not impressed with the speed. it doesn't look like it's any faster than the free donwload. I've got a DSL account with the 3rd from the lowest download speed. The only benefit is that you don't have to wait. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From bookworm at cavenet.com Sat May 9 09:56:47 2009 From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, <4A04B3C8.6520.26742D@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: Ok, so this will go in an existing CoCo 3? It won't require replacing the motherboard or something equally drastic? From jcewy at swbell.net Sat May 9 10:58:30 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:58:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] looking for "rebuild" discs for mm-1 by kennith leigh enterprises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A059A16.8080009@swbell.net> stinger30au wrote: > i know where there is a mm-1 in australia > > i have been talking to the people who own it > > they *MIGHT* be willing to part with it > > > someone who reckons they "know-it-all" about computers got to it and screwed the whole she-bang up > > does anyone know where i can can find a set of reinstall discs for these machines on the net??? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > Bob mentioned that he has disk images. I also have an MM/1 and install media. I even have bare boards for 8M RAM backplanes, and probably still have most of the parts needed to build one up. JCE From chawks at dls.net Sat May 9 13:07:22 2009 From: chawks at dls.net (Christopher Hawks) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:07:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] looking for "rebuild" discs for mm-1 by kennith leigh enterprises In-Reply-To: <4A059A16.8080009@swbell.net> References: <4A059A16.8080009@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4A05B84A.2090408@dls.net> Joel Ewy said the following on 05/09/2009 09:58 AM: > stinger30au wrote: >> i know where there is a mm-1 in australia >> >> i have been talking to the people who own it >> >> they *MIGHT* be willing to part with it >> >> >> someone who reckons they "know-it-all" about computers got to it and >> screwed the whole she-bang up >> >> does anyone know where i can can find a set of reinstall discs for >> these machines on the net??? >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > Bob mentioned that he has disk images. I also have an MM/1 and install > media. I even have bare boards for 8M RAM backplanes, and probably > still have most of the parts needed to build one up. > > JCE You can just run over to Bob's and borrow his disks! 8^) -- Christopher R. Hawks HAWKSoft --------------------------------------------------------- ....[Linux's] capacity to talk via any medium except smoke signals. -- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center From t.fadden at cox.net Sat May 9 13:33:12 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:12 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A05802E.4080003@gmail.com> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> <20090509012137.GE26440@warlock.deepthought.com> <4A05802E.4080003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A05BE58.7030207@cox.net> N8WQ wrote: > Where can I download a .vhd for NitrOS-9 that I can use with the > DriveWire 3 WinServer? or does the current "nos96309l2_dw3.dsk" I am > using self expand like the DECB .dsk images? > > O. Alan Jones > http://www.cloud9tech.com/ Click on Drive Wire 3, and then : "NitrOS-9 DriveWire 3 Images for CoCo 1, CoCo 2 and CoCo 3 (Download here )" Tim From t.fadden at cox.net Sat May 9 14:01:04 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:01:04 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A05802E.4080003@gmail.com> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> <20090509012137.GE26440@warlock.deepthought.com> <4A05802E.4080003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A05C4E0.1080905@cox.net> N8WQ wrote: > Where can I download a .vhd for NitrOS-9 that I can use with the > DriveWire 3 WinServer? or does the current "nos96309l2_dw3.dsk" I am > using self expand like the DECB .dsk images? > > O. Alan Jones > What do you mean self-expand? get larger as you add data? What is your purpose/trying to do? Trying to create a blank vhd image? Tim From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sat May 9 14:22:51 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:22:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A05C4E0.1080905@cox.net> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> <20090509012137.GE26440@warlock.deepthought.com> <4A05802E.4080003@gmail.com> <4A05C4E0.1080905@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A05C9FB.9080307@gmail.com> Yes, I would like to have a blank .vhd image. I don't know what size to shoot for though. As you can probably tell I am a newbie at this. :) O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional Tim Fadden wrote: > N8WQ wrote: >> Where can I download a .vhd for NitrOS-9 that I can use with the >> DriveWire 3 WinServer? or does the current "nos96309l2_dw3.dsk" I am >> using self expand like the DECB .dsk images? >> >> O. Alan Jones >> > What do you mean self-expand? get larger as you add data? What is > your purpose/trying to do? Trying to create a blank vhd image? > > Tim > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat May 9 14:54:23 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <903962069.7945091241894948443.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1556841748.7946121241895263372.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > From: "Gene Heskett" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 11:51:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > On Friday 08 May 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: > >I think you are referring to using command line ftp. I have seen > this. > >What I discovered is that the dos ftp defaulted to ascii mode, and > the > >nix's defaulted to binary (or visa-versa its been a while!) and they > >didn't automatically talk to each other of figure out what the file > >really was. So.... to make sure you didn't get corrupted files, > all > >that needed to be done is specify binary or ascii before you started > the > >up/download, and all was fine. This may still be the case. > > > >Tim > > > gah, choke, wheeze. You are making me shuffle around in 15-20 year > old > memories and the dust is overwhelming, but they do seem to match, that > I had > to issue the binary command before doing the download if I wanted a > good dl. For me, it's been an automatic thing for a couple of decades -- easier to clean up a text file if the wrong choice was made than a binary. Most linux servers (and clients) default to binary. But I still explicitly set it anyway, out of habit. Quit complaining about your age. You're still here. While I'm a decade and some behind you, I've reached the point where if I wake up in the morning and nothing hurts, I must have died in my sleep. (Forty-odd years ago, the Who had a song that had the line "hope I die before I get old" -- one member of the band [Keith Moon] did so, the rest are still healthy though Pete Townsend is now as deaf as Beethoven). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net From tjseagrove at writeme.com Sat May 9 15:22:48 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <1556841748.7946121241895263372.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <903962069.7945091241894948443.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1556841748.7946121241895263372.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <068401c9d0db$89f79850$9de6c8f0$@com> Don't forget John Entwhistle who is no longer here. He died 27 June 2002. Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of wdg3rd at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:54 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > From: "Gene Heskett" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 11:51:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > On Friday 08 May 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: > >I think you are referring to using command line ftp. I have seen > this. > >What I discovered is that the dos ftp defaulted to ascii mode, and > the > >nix's defaulted to binary (or visa-versa its been a while!) and they > >didn't automatically talk to each other of figure out what the file > >really was. So.... to make sure you didn't get corrupted files, > all > >that needed to be done is specify binary or ascii before you started > the > >up/download, and all was fine. This may still be the case. > > > >Tim > > > gah, choke, wheeze. You are making me shuffle around in 15-20 year > old > memories and the dust is overwhelming, but they do seem to match, that > I had > to issue the binary command before doing the download if I wanted a > good dl. For me, it's been an automatic thing for a couple of decades -- easier to clean up a text file if the wrong choice was made than a binary. Most linux servers (and clients) default to binary. But I still explicitly set it anyway, out of habit. Quit complaining about your age. You're still here. While I'm a decade and some behind you, I've reached the point where if I wake up in the morning and nothing hurts, I must have died in my sleep. (Forty-odd years ago, the Who had a song that had the line "hope I die before I get old" -- one member of the band [Keith Moon] did so, the rest are still healthy though Pete Townsend is now as deaf as Beethoven). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 06:54:00 From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat May 9 15:52:42 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Way Off Topic, was Re: Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <1909767243.7958761241898313175.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1435924182.7960371241898762413.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I must have had my head turned when Entwhistle's obit came out. Well, he made it to "near old". Half a dozen more years to go for me (and if I manage three, it'll be a record for anybody carrying my Y-chromosome in recorded history -- I've made it past the age where black lung took out most, and I apparently have a stronger liver than the few others -- dad's liver wore out when he was younger than I am, but the San Diego VA hospital used him as a guinea pig for new techniques and kept him going for another half decade [if I sound callous, I am -- we never got along] while at the same time the East Orange NJ VA hospital was in their third decade of trying to kill my future father-in-law [took them slightly over forty years to kill that magnificent bastard, he lived almost exactly as long as Robert Heinlein]). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Tom Seagrove" wrote: > From: "Tom Seagrove" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 3:22:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > Don't forget John Entwhistle who is no longer here. He died 27 June > 2002. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On > Behalf Of wdg3rd at comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:54 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > > From: "Gene Heskett" > > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > > > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 11:51:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines > > > > On Friday 08 May 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: > > >I think you are referring to using command line ftp. I have seen > > this. > > >What I discovered is that the dos ftp defaulted to ascii mode, and > > the > > >nix's defaulted to binary (or visa-versa its been a while!) and > they > > >didn't automatically talk to each other of figure out what the > file > > >really was. So.... to make sure you didn't get corrupted files, > > all > > >that needed to be done is specify binary or ascii before you > started > > the > > >up/download, and all was fine. This may still be the case. > > > > > >Tim > > > > > gah, choke, wheeze. You are making me shuffle around in 15-20 year > > old > > memories and the dust is overwhelming, but they do seem to match, > that > > I had > > to issue the binary command before doing the download if I wanted a > > good dl. > > For me, it's been an automatic thing for a couple of decades -- easier > to > clean up a text file if the wrong choice was made than a binary. Most > linux > servers (and clients) default to binary. But I still explicitly set > it > anyway, out of habit. > > Quit complaining about your age. You're still here. While I'm a > decade and > some behind you, I've reached the point where if I wake up in the > morning > and nothing hurts, I must have died in my sleep. (Forty-odd years > ago, the > Who had a song that had the line "hope I die before I get old" -- one > member > of the band [Keith Moon] did so, the rest are still healthy though > Pete > Townsend is now as deaf as Beethoven). From t.fadden at cox.net Sat May 9 17:22:58 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:22:58 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A05C9FB.9080307@gmail.com> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> <20090509012137.GE26440@warlock.deepthought.com> <4A05802E.4080003@gmail.com> <4A05C4E0.1080905@cox.net> <4A05C9FB.9080307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A05F432.7020406@cox.net> N8WQ wrote: > Yes, I would like to have a blank .vhd image. I don't know what > size to shoot for though. As you can probably tell I am a newbie at > this. :) > > O. Alan Jones > I am thinking that the /x? drivers supplied is a specific size, but I am not sure. The way I did it was to first use dmode to modify /x0 for the number of sectors I wanted. Saved it, and made a new os9boot with the new descriptor. You could also use cobbler. Then I used the toolshed tool os9 to create an image with the same number of sectors as I had in the /x0 descriptor. This may not be required. I can mount the image I created on one of the unmodified /x? and it works just the same. If you tell me exactly what size disk etc, you want. I could create it, or give you vague instructions and make you figure it out, :-) or exact instructions in which you would learn less. he he he With the toolshed program os9, you can make images that only have the allocation table, and grow as you put data on it, or create file the full size from the beginning. They seem to work the same to me, but I was told that you must create it full size. So far I have not found this to be true. Here is a way to create a disk image without using the toolshed tools: Boot into os9 with the nitros09DW3 image in /x0. Then on the Drive Wire Server, select an empty floppy say, /x3. Instead of selecting a file to mount, select type as os9, and type in a file name of your choice, say, newdisk. the server will create the file newdisk.os9 Now from os9, try a dir on /x3 you should get a 253 error "Non-Shareable file busy" Now type in: format /x3 ........ Follow the prompts, and do both a physical and verify format. If you watch the drive wire server interface, you can see the read/write to the file, and you can watch the file on the pc grow in size as it goes along. It will take a while, but when done, you will have a new blank disk image of about 8.3 meg . If you want a different size, use dmode on the /x? you are formating, beforehand, and it will be the size you specify. I could not find any of this documented, but it seems to work just fine. P.S. don't get hung up on the .vhd extension. I have used .dsk, and .os9 for the image extensions, and they both work the same with Drive Wire anyway. I finally ended up using .os9 for the standard, as that is what it is. If you have any questions, feel free. Tim Fadden From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat May 9 18:22:25 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:22:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <1556841748.7946121241895263372.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1556841748.7946121241895263372.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200905091822.25898.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 09 May 2009, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >> From: "Gene Heskett" >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 11:51:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines >> >> On Friday 08 May 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: >> >I think you are referring to using command line ftp. I have seen >> >> this. >> >> >What I discovered is that the dos ftp defaulted to ascii mode, and >> >> the >> >> >nix's defaulted to binary (or visa-versa its been a while!) and they >> >didn't automatically talk to each other of figure out what the file >> >really was. So.... to make sure you didn't get corrupted files, >> >> all >> >> >that needed to be done is specify binary or ascii before you started >> >> the >> >> >up/download, and all was fine. This may still be the case. >> > >> >Tim >> >> gah, choke, wheeze. You are making me shuffle around in 15-20 year >> old >> memories and the dust is overwhelming, but they do seem to match, that >> I had >> to issue the binary command before doing the download if I wanted a >> good dl. > >For me, it's been an automatic thing for a couple of decades -- easier to > clean up a text file if the wrong choice was made than a binary. Most > linux servers (and clients) default to binary. But I still explicitly set > it anyway, out of habit. > >Quit complaining about your age. You're still here. Ahh, shadup. >While I'm a decade and > some behind you, I've reached the point where if I wake up in the morning > and nothing hurts, I must have died in my sleep. That seems to describe it quite well. > (Forty-odd years ago, the > Who had a song that had the line "hope I die before I get old" -- one > member of the band [Keith Moon] did so, the rest are still healthy though > Pete Townsend is now as deaf as Beethoven). Yeah, but their flashes of musical brilliance were blinding at times. Too bad about Pete, but when one plays with spl's at 150db, one will pay the price. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) * Simunye is on a oc3->oc12 simmy: bite me. :) daemon: okay :) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat May 9 18:31:32 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:31:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Way Off Topic, was Re: Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <1435924182.7960371241898762413.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1435924182.7960371241898762413.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200905091831.32394.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 09 May 2009, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >I must have had my head turned when Entwhistle's obit came out. I think I saw it, but the mention of the Who in the obit was pretty low key, so it didn't really go ding ding for me, darnit. >Well, he > made it to "near old". Half a dozen more years to go for me (and if I > manage three, it'll be a record for anybody carrying my Y-chromosome in > recorded history -- I've made it past the age where black lung took out > most, and I apparently have a stronger liver than the few others -- dad's > liver wore out when he was younger than I am, but the San Diego VA hospital > used him as a guinea pig for new techniques and kept him going for another > half decade [if I sound callous, I am -- we never got along] while at the > same time the East Orange NJ VA hospital was in their third decade of > trying to kill my future father-in-law [took them slightly over forty years > to kill that magnificent bastard, he lived almost exactly as long as Robert > Heinlein]). I like your choice of descriptions there, he must have been a cool dude. And if he lived as long as RAH, then their attempts to meet the actuarial charts were pretty unsuccessful. I'm in fair shape, but a knee seems to be going away. I still wake up with all the aches & pains I went to bed with. Whatdoyaexpect at 74? Stuff wears out, and the FDA is bound and determined that we keep on falling over on schedule, bastards. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) When you're ready to give up the struggle, who can you surrender to? From snhirsch at gmail.com Sat May 9 18:45:58 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <200905091822.25898.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1556841748.7946121241895263372.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200905091822.25898.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 May 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> (Forty-odd years ago, the >> Who had a song that had the line "hope I die before I get old" -- one >> member of the band [Keith Moon] did so, the rest are still healthy though >> Pete Townsend is now as deaf as Beethoven). Their bass player, John Entwhistle, died a year or two back of an apparent heroin overdose. > Yeah, but their flashes of musical brilliance were blinding at times. Too bad > about Pete, but when one plays with spl's at 150db, one will pay the price. I never understood why more folks don't wear ear protection onstage. I played professionally for a number of years (still get up and whang away for fun now and then) and _always_ wore those little foam earplugs. In the days when I had hair, no one could even see them :-). Could still hear the whine of a television flyback transformer after getting off the road. Finally lost a good chunk of my hearing to an unfortunate choice of antibiotic. Life can be strange. Steve -- From snhirsch at gmail.com Sat May 9 18:47:30 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Way Off Topic, was Re: Needed Rainbow Magazines In-Reply-To: <200905091831.32394.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1435924182.7960371241898762413.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200905091831.32394.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 May 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: > I'm in fair shape, but a knee seems to be going away. I still wake up with > all the aches & pains I went to bed with. Heh. My father always maintained that waking up with aches and pains beat the alternative! -- From jdaggett at gate.net Sat May 9 19:14:22 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 19:14:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: <4A04A5A6.7030103@att.net>, <4A04BB71.15506.446084@jdaggett.gate.net>, Message-ID: <4A05D60E.22152.5D98F@jdaggett.gate.net> On 9 May 2009 at 7:04, Stephen Adolph wrote: > Ok, that's very fast. I worked on a product that had 14 virtex2 pro > parts on it, and it took a minute to load. ..Steve > It would if you daisy chain them. Also the configuration file sizes for the Virtex are larger than a comparable Spartan. Again I am ball park estimating. It could be longer but I doubt one minute. james > >> > > > > Just ball park figures. Using serial configuration methods either > > from the platform prom or from SPI flash should be less than a > > second. > > > > power suppplies will stablize within 50 mS. After that there is a > > 5mS for the configuration to start. Here is where the major delay > > can occur. Since there will be two FPGAs if I daisy chain off of one > > platform flash or a large SPI flash then I double the configuration > > time since one configures then the other. I can also design so that > > both FPGAs configure at the same time with their own separate > > configuration memory. Then I have to halt configuration of one until > > the other confiures. Still in all I would expect less than a second > > before the start of code execution. > > > > Each FPGA should configure in less than 300mS for XC3S250E. The > > XC3S500E could add another couple hundred mS to the time. > > > > james > > > > > > > > james > >> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, ? wrote: > >> > Frank > >> > > >> > My thoughts to were along that line. Most of the enhancements > >> > would be best used by OS9. I still have the ability to run DECB > >> > in a window and using a modern monitor. There are a couple of > >> > ways to do this. WIth an SPI interface storing and retrieving > >> > programs and OS' are rather easy. The XC2S250E has 12 2Kbyte > >> > block rams that can be configured as ROMs. It would be no real > >> > problem to write a small bios that can be used to boot DECB or > >> > NitrOS9/OS9. > >> > > >> > james > >> > > >> > On 8 May 2009 at 17:35, Frank Swygert wrote: > >> > > >> >> This makes the most sense James! While any software written for > >> >> the enhanced machine will only run on it, running older software > >> >> shouldn't be a problem. The dual processor machine would at a > >> >> minimum need an enhanced version of Nitros-9 (or OS-9) just to > >> >> be able to run at all -- zero backwards compatibility, even of > >> >> the operating system. Even the DECB fans like myself realize > >> >> that it's not conducive to easy backwards compatible > >> >> enhancements, but Nitros is. And I realized a long time ago that > >> >> OS-9 is where all the real activity is, especially for new > >> >> stuff. Not much for DECB. If you just want DECB it's easy enough > >> >> to keep an old CoCo running or use an emulator. > >> >> > >> >> ------- > >> >> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:24:25 -0400 > >> >> From: jdaggett at gate.net > >> >> > >> >> All are good ideas. > >> >> > >> >> Considering that the GIME has limited video capabilities, > >> >> enhancing the graphics ability of the GIME chip you eliminate > >> >> the second 6809 to do graphics This can be done by building into > >> >> the new GIME a graphics processor that takes commands and draws > >> >> the polygon and line shapes within the configurable graphics > >> >> window. > >> >> > >> >> I lean to more enhancing the graphics capability of the GIME > >> >> chip over a dual processor 6809. Unless you have OS9 modified to > >> >> handle dual processors, a coprocessor makes better since with > >> >> enhanced graphics. Also consider this, a FPGA based system can > >> >> be made to run considerably faster than the current Coco3. About > >> >> ten times faster. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Frank Swygert > >> >> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > >> >> Magazine (AMC) > >> >> For all AMC enthusiasts > >> >> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > >> >> (free download available!) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Coco mailing list > >> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Coco mailing list > >> > Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdaggett at gate.net Sat May 9 19:16:53 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 19:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, Message-ID: <4A05D6A5.27976.82803@jdaggett.gate.net> What I am working on will be entirely different board siz than the current Coco3. My goal is for a small package. I primary target for use is in controlling a telescope and be able to communicate between my laptop and the telescope. So size is paramount. james On 9 May 2009 at 13:56, Bookworm wrote: > Ok, so this will go in an existing CoCo 3? It won't require replacing > the motherboard or something equally drastic? > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Sat May 9 21:19:49 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (vacuumboy1) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:19:49 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! Message-ID: Ive JUST purchased a WORKING tandy coco III for 4.00 at the thrift store today! Me and my mother have been programmin' on it all day. We just LOVE it! But, I need some help. Ive read the commmands and their syntax, but to me, it dosnt make sense. Come someone please explain in simple terms the commands Input and FOR. We don't know how to write them correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun May 10 00:09:25 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:09:25 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! References: Message-ID: <302DDE7454884EB5902A53901C43A7E9@master> The FOR command is like a counter. It is used with the TO and NEXT codes. Here's an example: 10 FOR X = 1 TO 10:PRINT X: NEXT X The TO word must be on the same line as the FOR, but the NEXT word may be on another line in the programme. So you could have this also: 10 FOR X = 1 TO 10 20 PRINT X 30 NEXT X The "X" used here is just a name for a memory location (also known as a VARIABLE), to be used to temporarily store the counter value. The INPUT command takes information from the KEYBOARD (or other input devices such as cassette or disk files), and places it in the variable specified, like this: 10 PRINT "TYPE A NUMBER "; 20 INPUT X 30 PRINT "YOU TYPED: "; X The INPUT command can also be used with a prompt, like this: 10 INPUT "TYPE A NUMBER "; X 20 PRINT "YOU TYPED "; X The INPUT command can also accept a string of letters (or combination letters and numbers), like this: 10 INPUT "TYPE YOUR NAME: "; A$ 20 PRINT "HELLO "; A$ Hope that helps. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "vacuumboy1" To: Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! > Ive JUST purchased a WORKING tandy coco III for 4.00 at the thrift store > today! Me and my mother have been programmin' on it all day. We just LOVE > it! But, I need some help. Ive read the commmands and their syntax, but to > me, it dosnt make sense. Come someone please explain in simple terms the > commands Input and FOR. We don't know how to write them correctly. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From flexser at fiu.edu Sun May 10 00:14:10 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:14:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should try to find a copy of the CoCo 3 programming guide that originally came with the machine; it's very easy to understand and has lots of examples of how the commands are used. (I'm guessing you don't have this, and just have the booklet that lists the commands.) I don't recall the name of it, but it was the successor to Getting Started With Color Basic and Going Ahead With Extended Basic, which came with the earlier CoCo's. I was going to give an example of the use of FOR and INPUT, but as I was writing this, I see Bob Devries filled the gap nicely, so a tip of the hat to him. Art On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: > Ive JUST purchased a WORKING tandy coco III for 4.00 at the thrift store today! Me and my mother have been programmin' on it all day. We just LOVE it! But, I need some help. Ive read the commmands and their syntax, but to me, it dosnt make sense. Come someone please explain in simple terms the commands Input and FOR. We don't know how to write them correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Sun May 10 00:21:56 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 05:21:56 +0100 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <302DDE7454884EB5902A53901C43A7E9@master> References: <302DDE7454884EB5902A53901C43A7E9@master> Message-ID: <4A065664.4000506@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Bob Devries wrote: > The INPUT command can also be used with a prompt, like this: > > 10 INPUT "TYPE A NUMBER "; X > 20 PRINT "YOU TYPED "; X > > The INPUT command can also accept a string of letters (or combination > letters and numbers), like this: > > 10 INPUT "TYPE YOUR NAME: "; A$ > 20 PRINT "HELLO "; A$ Is should be added that the above will always print a ? as the last character as the prompt, if you want to supress this you can use the LINE statement before then INPUT statement, to see the difference run the following :- 10 INPUT "TYPE YOUR NAME: "; A$ 20 LINE INPUT "TYPE YOUR NAME: "; A$ The output should be :- TYPE YOUR NAME:? TYPE YOUR NAME: The first will be from line 10, the second from line 20. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From yahoogroups at aquaporin4.com Sun May 10 00:26:35 2009 From: yahoogroups at aquaporin4.com (Charles Richmond) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:26:35 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A85A858-C4A6-4F32-B948-9A4EC5946F74@aquaporin4.com> On May 9, 2009, at 8:19 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: > I've JUST purchased a WORKING tandy coco III for 4.00 at the thrift > store today! Me and my mother have been programmin' on it all day. > We just LOVE it! But, I need some help. Ive read the commmands and > their syntax, but to me, it dosnt make sense. Come someone please > explain in simple terms the commands Input and FOR. We don't know > how to write them correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Any book on BASIC programming will explain INPUT and FOR, as well as all the other "regular" BASIC statements. You may need the Extended Color BASIC manual for the Color Computer to understand the extended command set for graphics and sound. Go to your public library and check out a book on BASIC programming. You need the *old* style BASIC: stay away from books on Visual BASIC. Or you can order a beginner book on BASIC at Abebooks. Here are three, and each will cost about $5 including shipping. Any one will do: http://tinyurl.com/qva47z http://tinyurl.com/qp7he7 http://tinyurl.com/qamu35 Disclaimer: I am *not* affiliated with Abebooks except as a satisfied customer. I get *no* monetary reward if you buy or do *not* buy their books. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sun May 10 01:09:53 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:09:53 -0600 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 9, 2009, at 7:19 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: > Ive JUST purchased a WORKING tandy coco III for 4.00 at the thrift > store today! Me and my mother have been programmin' on it all day. > We just LOVE it! But, I need some help. Ive read the commmands and > their syntax, but to me, it dosnt make sense. Come someone please > explain in simple terms the commands Input and FOR. We don't know > how to write them correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The programming manual for the CoCo III can be downloaded from here: http://goyim.dyndns.org:8080/coco/doc/manuals/Hardware/Color%20Computer%203%20Exended%20Basic%20(1986)(Tandy).pdf -- JP From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 10 01:47:21 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 05:47:21 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1983 wanted Message-ID: i have been reading thru the archive of emails and it looks like we have all the magazines going to the scanners except this edition please anyone correct me if im wrong about this if not, does anyone have a copy they can get scanned or contact myself of list and either i can do it or i can put you in touch with someone who can thanks From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 10 02:36:05 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 06:36:05 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] free space to upload at maltedmediaftp server Message-ID: can anyone please tell me how much space is left at the ftp server at malted media i have a just a few gigabytes worth of rainbow mags, hot coco mags, australian coco-link mags i can upload there ta From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 10 03:41:57 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:41:57 GMT Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive Message-ID: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]> Anyone have any bare drives for the FD-502 drive? I want to put a second in mine. These have the funky connectors on them, non-standard. Tony From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sun May 10 06:46:20 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 06:46:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Using HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <4A05F432.7020406@cox.net> References: <4A04C476.8010104@gmail.com> <20090509012137.GE26440@warlock.deepthought.com> <4A05802E.4080003@gmail.com> <4A05C4E0.1080905@cox.net> <4A05C9FB.9080307@gmail.com> <4A05F432.7020406@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A06B07C.30905@gmail.com> Tim, Thanks for the explanation and help. I followed your instructions to the letter and I now have a blank disk image on /x3 Today I am going to download the toolshed tools and start using them. But first, I need a cup of coffee! :) O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional Tim Fadden wrote: > N8WQ wrote: >> Yes, I would like to have a blank .vhd image. I don't know what >> size to shoot for though. As you can probably tell I am a newbie at >> this. :) >> >> O. Alan Jones >> > I am thinking that the /x? drivers supplied is a specific size, but I > am not sure. The way I did it was to first use dmode to modify /x0 > for the number of sectors I wanted. Saved it, and made a new os9boot > with the new descriptor. You could also use cobbler. Then I used the > toolshed tool os9 to create an image with the same number of sectors > as I had in the /x0 descriptor. This may not be required. I can mount > the image I created on one of the unmodified /x? and it works just the > same. > > If you tell me exactly what size disk etc, you want. I could create > it, or give you vague instructions and make you figure it out, :-) or > exact instructions in which you would learn less. he he he > > With the toolshed program os9, you can make images that only have the > allocation table, and grow as you put data on it, or create file the > full size from the beginning. They seem to work the same to me, but I > was told that you must create it full size. So far I have not found > this to be true. > > Here is a way to create a disk image without using the toolshed tools: > > Boot into os9 with the nitros09DW3 image in /x0. > Then on the Drive Wire Server, select an empty floppy say, /x3. > Instead of selecting a file to mount, select type as os9, and type in > a file name of your choice, say, newdisk. the server will create the > file newdisk.os9 > > Now from os9, try a dir on /x3 you should get a 253 error > "Non-Shareable file busy" > Now type in: format /x3 ........ Follow the prompts, and do both a > physical and verify format. If you watch the drive wire server > interface, you can see the read/write to the file, and you can watch > the file on the pc grow in size as it goes along. > > It will take a while, but when done, you will have a new blank disk > image of about 8.3 meg . If you want a different size, use dmode on > the /x? you are formating, beforehand, and it will be the size you > specify. > > I could not find any of this documented, but it seems to work just fine. > > > > P.S. don't get hung up on the .vhd extension. I have used .dsk, and > .os9 for the image extensions, and they both work the same with Drive > Wire anyway. I finally ended up using .os9 for the standard, as that > is what it is. > > If you have any questions, feel free. > > Tim Fadden > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun May 10 10:41:25 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Magazine Online Set almost complete Message-ID: <325597.1728.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, Looks like the Rainbow Archive is almost done. The following are still needed to complete the set. 1982: Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 1983: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May If anyone has these scanned please upload them or contact me. Starting this week I will be filling in the gaps uploading what is not currently in my online archives. If we can get these last 8 issues done I should have the complete rainbow Magazine Archive online within a few days of getting these last few issues. (I will post the links off list as always. ) Thanks for all the hard work from the folks who have scanned and worked to get these archived! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From bookworm at cavenet.com Sun May 10 13:06:24 2009 From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, <4A05D6A5.27976.82803@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: Would you mind explaining exactly what you are doing? One minute it sounds like a couple of replacement chips for a CoCo 3. The next minute it sounds more like a replacemet for the CoCo, or something that has nothing to do with it. Am I as think as you confused I am? From swancity at internode.on.net Sun May 10 04:12:27 2009 From: swancity at internode.on.net (Gerry van den Berk) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:12:27 +0800 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! References: Message-ID: <01c001c9d147$0f13d150$05000100@nonee919662542> vacuumboy1 wrote: > Ive JUST purchased a WORKING tandy coco III for 4.00 at the thrift > store today! Me and my mother have been programmin' on it all day. We > just LOVE it! But, I need some help. Ive read the commmands and their > syntax, but to me, it dosnt make sense. Come someone please explain > in simple terms the commands Input and FOR. We don't know how to > write them correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > OK, in BASIC the INPUT statement takes INPUT from a selected device which generally is the keyboard by default and stores it in a variable so... 10 INPUT A 20 INPUT B$ 30 PRINT A 40 PRINT B$ A in this example is used to store a numerical value and B$ ($ = string) will accept a string of characters. You can use any letter of the alphabet in most BASICs. FOR is used with NEXT like this to loop the program... 10 FOR A=0 to 100 20 PRINT A; 30 NEXT A Hope that makes some sense. From jdaggett at gate.net Sun May 10 15:10:54 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:10:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, Message-ID: <4A06EE7E.7244.1656C0@jdaggett.gate.net> It is a essentially a replacement Coco but done in either two or three FPGAs. Currently I am lenaing towards three FPGAs. This can be used as an embedded sytem or as a stand alone system. What I am about to share is a work that I started several years ago and has undergone several intese modifications. First off was to do a Coco3 into a single FPGA. While that is doable, in fact has been. None of the development boards out there that are under $300 in cost are lacking in either I/O or VGA color depth withour modification. This all coincided with my understanding of several handheld computers that are out there to control a telescope. Two in particular use a processor that runs no faster than a Coco3. To give it in a nutshell, I decided to investigate using a Coco3 for a telescope controller. To my surprise it can be very well adapted to such a task with some external motor drivers. The main sticking point is that setting up a laptop, and a coco system is a bit to much for the field use in a remote area. I need a Coco3 that is small and portable. No bulky disk drives and monitor. Just the computer, a small LCD, and a flash drive. The current direction is now more in line with what Sockmaster had proposed years ago which at first I rejected. Now in retrospect some of his ideas are not bad all. One FPGA will house the CPU and any enhancements to the instruction set like a math coprossesor. The second chip is the main guts of the GIME chip like the MMU, registers and such. The third FPGA is the actual video section. All are separate boards and are plugable into a main board that is but a carrier. A fourth board will have the Vinculum chip that gives me direct access to a USB flash drive for storage. The Vinculum chip handles all the FAT issues for drive access. Like I stated it started from first being a GIME replacement into a Coco3 that has grown maybe out of proportion. But size is now a driving factor and the ability to operate off of batteries. i hope this is less than a minute but a synopsis of what I am doing. I am hoping to have some form of a working unit by the end of the summer. I finally have the finances and hopefully the time to realize a dream of mine for the last four years. Also to learn something in the process. james On 10 May 2009 at 17:06, Bookworm wrote: > Would you mind explaining exactly what you are doing? One minute it > sounds like a couple of replacement chips for a CoCo 3. The next > minute it sounds more like a replacemet for the CoCo, or something > that has nothing to do with it. > > Am I as think as you confused I am? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Sun May 10 16:03:05 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive In-Reply-To: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: It's the Tandy FD-502 that has the "funky" little connecter. The connecter you are probably looking at is a couple of times larger and wedge shaped...identical to the power connectors in PC's for their IDE hard drives and CD/DVD-ROMS. I snipped the spare power connecter on my FD-502 case and solder-spliced in a new stander IDE connector and can now run the normal 360k IBM-PC/AT 5.25 floppies just fine. The wiring is the same, outers are +12VDC,+5VDC and the inner lines are negative ground. I would only keep the original FD-502 power connector if you are determined to find a original Tandy FD-502 drive unit...which to my understanding are extremely rare. - Chad -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of tonym Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:42 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive Anyone have any bare drives for the FD-502 drive? I want to put a second in mine. These have the funky connectors on them, non-standard. Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 10 16:18:21 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (Tony) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:18:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad H" To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-502 drive > > I would only keep the original FD-502 power connector if you are > determined > to find a original Tandy FD-502 drive unit...which to my understanding are > extremely rare. > Meh, I bought this FD-502 for like $12-15 on fleabay (no fdc, tho), I'm sure i can probably find another one. I'll just transfer one drive from one of them to make a double-unit, to keep one original, and then splice on the 2nd one, and load it up with probably a pair of Mitsu M4853 DS/QD 5.25" fdd's. That will be an interesting unit :) T From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Sun May 10 15:13:32 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (vacuumboy1) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:13:32 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? Message-ID: I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there any other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Sun May 10 14:58:50 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <01c001c9d147$0f13d150$05000100@nonee919662542> Message-ID: <411227.568.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks! That helps quite a bit! --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Gerry van den Berk wrote: From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sun May 10 16:53:33 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:53:33 -0600 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive In-Reply-To: <000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]> <000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> Message-ID: <4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com> On May 10, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Tony wrote: > Meh, I bought this FD-502 for like $12-15 on fleabay (no fdc, tho), > I'm sure i can probably find another one. > I'll just transfer one drive from one of them to make a double-unit, > to keep one original, and then splice on the 2nd one, > and load it up with probably a pair of Mitsu M4853 DS/QD 5.25" > fdd's. That will be an interesting unit :) Yup, that should work. You'll just have to play around with the jumpers to figure out how to select the additional FD-502 drive as drive one. (Unfortunately, my notes on this are packed away, so I can't tell you offhand.) The FD-502 5-1/4" drives are much like 3-1/2" drives: same power connector (smaller molex-style) and built- in termination (so you don't need to bother remembering to terminate the last drive on the cable). -- JP From fwp at deepthought.com Sun May 10 17:41:38 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:41:38 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090510214138.GF26440@warlock.deepthought.com> There are a couple of possible solutions. The first is to get a floppy drive and controller. An even better solution is to go to Cloud9's site and buy a "superide" adaptor with a CF card. Frank On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 07:13:32PM -0000, vacuumboy1 wrote: > I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there any other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sun May 10 17:15:57 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:15:57 -0600 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <20090510214138.GF26440@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <20090510214138.GF26440@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: On May 10, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: > There are a couple of possible solutions. The first is to get a > floppy drive and > controller. An even better solution is to go to Cloud9's site and > buy a "superide" adaptor > with a CF card. Or if they have a Windows machine with a serial port, the Cloud-9 Drivewire 3 ROM-Pak with serial cable would be the cheapest possibility for storage. http://www.frontiernet.net/~mmarlette/Cloud-9/Software/DriveWire3.html -- JP From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 10 18:11:29 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (Tony) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:11:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]><000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> <4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.P. Samson" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-502 drive > > Yup, that should work. You'll just have to play around with the jumpers > to figure out how to select the additional FD-502 drive as drive one. > (Unfortunately, my notes on this are packed away, so I can't tell you > offhand.) The FD-502 5-1/4" drives are much like 3-1/2" drives: same > power connector (smaller molex-style) and built- in termination (so you > don't need to bother remembering to terminate the last drive on the > cable). > Unless they made different '502 drives, mine do not have a 3.5" style connector. They're more akin to the old-school audio connector on mainboards/sounds boards, to connect to, say, a CDROM drive. the pins are much shorted, and plug straight down into the drive, near the back. From johnguin at hotmail.com Sun May 10 18:14:18 2009 From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John Guin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:14:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1983 wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This rings a bell - did this issue even exist? I remember Rainbow jumped a month somewhere and Lonnie wrote about it. For some reason, this edition seems right, but I can't look it up anywhere. Does anyone else remember this? John -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of stinger30au Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:47 PM To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1983 wanted i have been reading thru the archive of emails and it looks like we have all the magazines going to the scanners except this edition please anyone correct me if im wrong about this if not, does anyone have a copy they can get scanned or contact myself of list and either i can do it or i can put you in touch with someone who can thanks -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 10 18:13:24 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (Tony) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:13:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Disk Image Format Conversion References: <20090510214138.GF26440@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <001b01c9d1bc$89985b10$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> How does one convert images from one format to another? I'm trying to convert images from VDK format, to standard DMK .DSK format. End result, is I want to make REAL disks using DSKINI.EXE These are OS-9 disk images for the Dragon. I've tried using NitrOS9 under Vcc, but Vcc complains when even "inserting" the VDK-based image file. I get a box that says "Can't Open File" Tony From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun May 10 18:37:15 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:37:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905101837.16060.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 10 May 2009, vacuumboy1 wrote: >I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there any other > way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Anything you can record on will do it, and probably far better than the el- cheapo cassette's used back then. I didn't have one for a long time either, but I had a good, metal tape twin deck. That worked 100% of the time even when I only recorded on the left channel. The noise created by the use of permanent magnets for bias on the so-called computer tape decks usually makes it a coin toss as to whether you can reload what you saved the next time. If you have audio recording abilities in the pc you are posting this with, record the cassette output to a .wav file on the pc. Then play it back and feed it to the coco when you want to reload. I think you'll find it works better than a cheap tape deck ever could. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Go to a movie tonight. Darkness becomes you. ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun May 10 18:46:28 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:46:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Disk Image Format Conversion In-Reply-To: <001b01c9d1bc$89985b10$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> References: <20090510214138.GF26440@warlock.deepthought.com> <001b01c9d1bc$89985b10$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> Message-ID: <4A075944.7060600@worldnet.att.net> Tony wrote: > How does one convert images from one format to another? > I'm trying to convert images from VDK format, to standard DMK .DSK format. > > End result, is I want to make REAL disks using DSKINI.EXE > > These are OS-9 disk images for the Dragon. > > I've tried using NitrOS9 under Vcc, but Vcc complains when even > "inserting" the VDK-based image file. > I get a box that says "Can't Open File" > > Tony > You can use the MESS emulator which will mount .dsk (JVC), .dmk, .os9, and .vdk images. Just mount your .vdk image and use either BACKUP (Basic) or backup (OS-9) to move the content to a .dsk image. If the original image is 40 tracks or more do the backup under OS-9 control. From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 10 18:59:22 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:59:22 GMT Subject: [Coco] Disk Image Format Conversion Message-ID: <200905101859159.SM04124@[208.76.35.239]> >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Gault robert.gault at worldnet.att.net >Sent 5/10/2009 6:46:28 PM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: Re: [Coco] Disk Image Format Conversion > >Tony wrote: > How does one convert images from one format to another? > I'm trying to convert images from VDK format, to standard DMK .DSK format. > > End result, is I want to make REAL disks using DSKINI.EXE > > > >You can use the MESS emulator which will mount .dsk (JVC), .dmk, .os9, >and .vdk images. Just mount your .vdk image and use either BACKUP >(Basic) or backup (OS-9) to move the content to a .dsk image. If the >original image is 40 tracks or more do the backup under OS-9 control. > Tried that - no dice. Even tried mess and Vcc using BackupLightning. A) Using Mess, i use wimgtool.exe to create a blank, JVC-format disk. I boot mess, coco3 6809, using standard os9l2 stock boot, mount the newly-created disk as /D1, and format it. then i unmount it, mount the source in /D1, and do "backup s /d1" it reads, asks for destination, and when I insert it and press enter, it says it's not formatted identically. Vcc bitches when I select that source image to mount (VDK) so no dice there. Mess with backup lightning bitches when it actually goes to write the disk to the new JVC-format image. Tony From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sun May 10 19:02:34 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:02:34 -0600 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive In-Reply-To: <001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]><000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> <4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com> <001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> Message-ID: On May 10, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Tony wrote: > Unless they made different '502 drives, mine do not have a 3.5" > style connector. > They're more akin to the old-school audio connector on mainboards/ > sounds boards, to connect to, say, a CDROM > drive. the pins are much shorted, and plug straight down into the > drive, near the back. No, you are right, they aren't quite the same. But I successfully plugged in a 3-1/2" drive using the existing power connector in the FD-502. It's a tight squeeze since the pin sizes are different, but the spacing and layout is the same, so it works. -- JP From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 10 19:05:37 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:05:37 GMT Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive Message-ID: <200905101905112.SM04764@[208.76.35.239]> >-----Original Message----- >From: J.P. Samson jps.subscriptions at gmail.com >Sent 5/10/2009 7:02:34 PM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-502 drive > >On May 10, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Tony wrote: > Unless they made different '502 drives, mine do not have a 3.5" > style connector. > They're more akin to the old-school audio connector on mainboards/ > sounds boards, to connect to, say, a CDROM > drive. the pins are much shorted, and plug straight down into the > drive, near the back. > >No, you are right, they aren't quite the same. But I successfully >plugged in a 3-1/2" drive using the existing power connector in the >FD-502. It's a tight squeeze since the pin sizes are different, but >the spacing and layout is the same, so it works. > Ahhhhh.... NOW I see the point you were making.... That's not bad, though - stuffing a 3.5" 720kb disk in there.....hmmmm... T From tonym at compusource.net Sun May 10 19:06:28 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:06:28 GMT Subject: [Coco] Disk Image Format Conversion Message-ID: <200905101906502.SM04764@[208.76.35.239]> >You can use the MESS emulator which will mount .dsk (JVC), .dmk, .os9, >and .vdk images. Just mount your .vdk image and use either BACKUP >(Basic) or backup (OS-9) to move the content to a .dsk image. If the >original image is 40 tracks or more do the backup under OS-9 control. > > Ne'er mind - the Dragon disk appears to be 40T, and I was using a 35T image to copy to... T From SHOWELL2 at satx.rr.com Sun May 10 19:15:27 2009 From: SHOWELL2 at satx.rr.com (King Cheetah) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:15:27 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <5FC3DADC-3A11-42EF-8DA6-B3E83DFD8513@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: Graphic Convertor, hands down. ^____^ http://www.lemkesoft.com/ On 4/13/09 11:50 AM, "Dean Leiber" wrote: > I'm working on cleaning up some scans for the CoCo/OS9 Archive and > these are particularly speckled (way too bad to fix by hand). Does > anyone know a Mac graphics program (other than Photoshop, whose price > is out of this world) that has a 'depseckle' filter? Thanks! > > Dean > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun May 10 19:24:31 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:24:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]><000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com><001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> Message-ID: <2BC84A575F354EC39FF4F2870B79006B@speedy> >> Unless they made different '502 drives, mine do not have a 3.5" style >> connector. >> They're more akin to the old-school audio connector on mainboards/ sounds >> boards, to connect to, say, a CDROM >> drive. the pins are much shorted, and plug straight down into the drive, >> near the back. > > No, you are right, they aren't quite the same. But I successfully > plugged in a 3-1/2" drive using the existing power connector in the > FD-502. It's a tight squeeze since the pin sizes are different, but the > spacing and layout is the same, so it works. > > -- JP Yup, I did that 3.5" trick once. Then I got a oddball drive that matched the 502 and had a little problem restoring the plug. Bruce W. From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sun May 10 19:25:40 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:25:40 -0600 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive In-Reply-To: <200905101905112.SM04764@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905101905112.SM04764@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: >> No, you are right, they aren't quite the same. But I successfully >> plugged in a 3-1/2" drive using the existing power connector in the >> FD-502. It's a tight squeeze since the pin sizes are different, but >> the spacing and layout is the same, so it works. >> > > Ahhhhh.... NOW I see the point you were making.... > That's not bad, though - stuffing a 3.5" 720kb disk in > there.....hmmmm... The big problem with putting a 3-1/2" drive in the FD-502 case is the existing data ribbon cable is too short--the 3-1/2" drive is shorter than a 5-1/4" and sits in the front center of the case. Plus you need to get a 34-pin card edge to IDC converter. Just be sure to get a 3-1/2" drive with some jumpers on it so you can change the drive number, etc. on it. The easiest thing would probably be to just build yourself a new ribbon cable. In my case, I kept the existing cable and just added a short bridge cable with IDC connectors on both ends to make up for the shortfall. Here's a couple of the items I bought to put this together: http://cgi.ebay.com/Teac-19307763-91-3-5-Floppy-Drive-Internal-FD-235HF_W0QQitemZ200256073014QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item2ea0312d36&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 http://cgi.ebay.com/ABC-5-25-Mounting-Frame-for-3-5-Floppy-Ivory-q2-STSI_W0QQitemZ370089869099QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Cables_Adapters?hash=item562b133f2b&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262&_trkparms=%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A30 Supposedly if you restrict yourself to 3.5" DS/DD floppy disks in the 1.44MB drive, it'll work correctly as a 720kB drive. That just leaves finding the parts at a good electronics store to create the bridge cable with IDC connectors. -- JP From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sun May 10 19:33:37 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:33:37 -0600 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive In-Reply-To: <2BC84A575F354EC39FF4F2870B79006B@speedy> References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]><000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com><001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> <2BC84A575F354EC39FF4F2870B79006B@speedy> Message-ID: On May 10, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Bruce W. Calkins wrote: >>> Unless they made different '502 drives, mine do not have a 3.5" >>> style connector. >>> They're more akin to the old-school audio connector on mainboards/ >>> sounds boards, to connect to, say, a CDROM >>> drive. the pins are much shorted, and plug straight down into the >>> drive, near the back. >> >> No, you are right, they aren't quite the same. But I successfully >> plugged in a 3-1/2" drive using the existing power connector in the >> FD-502. It's a tight squeeze since the pin sizes are different, >> but the spacing and layout is the same, so it works. >> >> -- JP > > Yup, I did that 3.5" trick once. Then I got a oddball drive that > matched the 502 and had a little problem restoring the plug. Good point. Has anyone installed a small fan in their FD-502 case, as was suggested by Tandy when you add a second drive? It doesn't look like there's any obvious place inside where you could mount the thing. -- JP From tjseagrove at writeme.com Sun May 10 19:38:01 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:38:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1983 wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07ce01c9d1c8$5bc2b080$13481180$@com> You are corrct... -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John Guin Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:14 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'; ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1983 wanted This rings a bell - did this issue even exist? I remember Rainbow jumped a month somewhere and Lonnie wrote about it. For some reason, this edition seems right, but I can't look it up anywhere. Does anyone else remember this? John -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of stinger30au Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:47 PM To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1983 wanted i have been reading thru the archive of emails and it looks like we have all the magazines going to the scanners except this edition please anyone correct me if im wrong about this if not, does anyone have a copy they can get scanned or contact myself of list and either i can do it or i can put you in touch with someone who can thanks -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00 From swancity at internode.on.net Sun May 10 18:32:53 2009 From: swancity at internode.on.net (Gerry van den Berk) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:32:53 +0800 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? References: Message-ID: <027e01c9d1bf$421f8350$05000100@nonee919662542> vacuumboy1 wrote: > I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there > any other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > If you have the cassette cable, plug it into your PC's line input/speaker out and record/load it that way. You might have to experiment a bit to obtain the best recording and playback levels. From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun May 10 20:02:35 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:02:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]><000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com><001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><2BC84A575F354EC39FF4F2870B79006B@speedy> Message-ID: <0D475D21E169463489E579CF2F43E5B5@speedy> > Good point. Has anyone installed a small fan in their FD-502 case, as > was suggested by Tandy when you add a second drive? It doesn't look like > there's any obvious place inside where you could mount the thing. > > -- JP I have (or had) two 501s that had the Tandy "upgrade." A very cheap permanent magnet can motor with a real cheap stamped aluminum fan. I have tucked a 1.2" CPU cooler fan in a 501. It is the voltage regulators that need the air flow. They were a little under cooled for running two drives. I tapped the fan power from the 12 volt line for the drives. They made the 502 case even cheaper. I don't recall just where a fan could be hung ATM. Bruce W. From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sun May 10 20:18:26 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:18:26 -0600 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive In-Reply-To: <0D475D21E169463489E579CF2F43E5B5@speedy> References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]><000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com><001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><2BC84A575F354EC39FF4F2870B79006B@speedy> <0D475D21E169463489E579CF2F43E5B5@speedy> Message-ID: On May 10, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Bruce W. Calkins wrote: > I have (or had) two 501s that had the Tandy "upgrade." A very cheap > permanent magnet can motor with a real cheap stamped aluminum fan. > > They made the 502 case even cheaper. I don't recall just where a > fan could be hung ATM. At least there is an existing connector on the power cable in the FD-502 for a fan. No need to steal voltage from one of the drive cables. -- JP From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun May 10 20:26:09 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:26:09 +1000 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]><000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com><001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><2BC84A575F354EC39FF4F2870B79006B@speedy> <0D475D21E169463489E579CF2F43E5B5@speedy> Message-ID: As far as I remember, the second drive upgrade came with a bracket for the fan, which screwed into the case somewhere near the PSU. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce W. Calkins" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] FD-502 drive >> Good point. Has anyone installed a small fan in their FD-502 case, as >> was suggested by Tandy when you add a second drive? It doesn't look >> like there's any obvious place inside where you could mount the thing. >> >> -- JP > > > > I have (or had) two 501s that had the Tandy "upgrade." A very cheap > permanent magnet can motor with a real cheap stamped aluminum fan. > > > > I have tucked a 1.2" CPU cooler fan in a 501. It is the voltage > regulators that need the air flow. They were a little under cooled for > running two drives. I tapped the fan power from the 12 volt line for the > drives. > > > > They made the 502 case even cheaper. I don't recall just where a fan > could be hung ATM. > > > > Bruce W. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From bookworm at cavenet.com Sun May 10 20:40:24 2009 From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, <4A06EE7E.7244.1656C0@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: Ok, now I get it. I was hoping for a replacement GIME chip to put in the CoCo 3, and maybe a CPU upgrade too. Your project sounds like a great idea, and I'd like to see it develop into something more general purpose if you have time. Meanwhile, I'll keep studying Motorola chips and see what I can come up with. Don't hold your breath, I'll be doing good just to learn assembly language. From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun May 10 20:40:52 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] FD-502 drive References: <200905100341846.SM04240@[208.76.35.239]><000f01c9d1ac$77bd6210$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><4AD3C7C9-96A5-476E-8F8F-7CD723AA67D8@gmail.com><001601c9d1bc$45957790$9764a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com><2BC84A575F354EC39FF4F2870B79006B@speedy><0D475D21E169463489E579CF2F43E5B5@speedy> Message-ID: <0FDE17F672A44B1091DE122EAAAEB97D@speedy> > On May 10, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Bruce W. Calkins wrote: >> I have (or had) two 501s that had the Tandy "upgrade." A very cheap >> permanent magnet can motor with a real cheap stamped aluminum fan. >> >> They made the 502 case even cheaper. I don't recall just where a fan >> could be hung ATM. > > At least there is an existing connector on the power cable in the FD-502 > for a fan. No need to steal voltage from one of the drive cables. > > -- JP Little matter since the power comes off from the same voltage regulator either way. Bruce W. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun May 10 20:51:30 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] 1993 Rainbow Magazine Archive (Complete Year) In-Reply-To: <0FDE17F672A44B1091DE122EAAAEB97D@speedy> Message-ID: <714711.98163.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have 1993 Complete year added to my coco archives. You can find links here: http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=956&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= Thanks to all those who have worked hard scanning these! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From shadow at shadowgard.com Sun May 10 21:25:59 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:25:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A071C37.23474.2E0E34B9@shadow.shadowgard.com> On 10 May 2009 at 19:13, vacuumboy1 wrote: > I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there any other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! So connect the cable to your computer's sound card. One goes to Line In, the other goes to Line Out. And the smaller connector doesn't go anywhere. -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From shadow at shadowgard.com Sun May 10 21:25:59 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:25:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <200905101837.16060.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: , <200905101837.16060.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A071C37.7868.2E0E3352@shadow.shadowgard.com> On 10 May 2009 at 18:37, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 10 May 2009, vacuumboy1 wrote: > >I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there any other > > way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > > Anything you can record on will do it, and probably far better than the el- > cheapo cassette's used back then. I didn't have one for a long time either, > but I had a good, metal tape twin deck. That worked 100% of the time even > when I only recorded on the left channel. The noise created by the use of > permanent magnets for bias on the so-called computer tape decks usually makes > it a coin toss as to whether you can reload what you saved the next time. > > If you have audio recording abilities in the pc you are posting this with, > record the cassette output to a .wav file on the pc. Then play it back and > feed it to the coco when you want to reload. I think you'll find it works > better than a cheap tape deck ever could. A trick folks in the Model 100 community were doing 10-15 years back was saving programs as tracks on a CD. This was for stuff they were using a lot. These days, I'd use a cheap MP3 player... -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From jdaggett at gate.net Sun May 10 22:11:01 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:11:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, Message-ID: <4A0750F5.31893.7FDDE3@jdaggett.gate.net> A plugin GIME replacement is a real possibility. It would take me a week or so to redo the board in Eagle and three weeks for fabrication and shipping. Then add another two months or more to finish the video section and test the core. After all that the final product will not have gold plated fingers to plug into the existing PLCC socket. For small quantity boards hard electroplated gold fingers is cost prohibitive. Other gold plating methods that are cheaper do not have durability of multiple plug in and out before the gold is worn off. All this will take into my time to accomplish what I want to do first. Maybe after what I have planed is done it will be short work to do a plug in GIME chip replacement. Good luck on your study of Motorola processors. The more the better. james On 11 May 2009 at 0:40, Bookworm wrote: > Ok, now I get it. > > I was hoping for a replacement GIME chip to put in the CoCo 3, and > maybe a CPU upgrade too. Your project sounds like a great idea, and > I'd like to see it develop into something more general purpose if you > have time. > > Meanwhile, I'll keep studying Motorola chips and see what I can come > up with. Don't hold your breath, I'll be doing good just to learn > assembly language. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Mon May 11 00:34:18 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:34:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: <4A06EE7E.7244.1656C0@jdaggett.gate.net> References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, <4A06EE7E.7244.1656C0@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: <4A07AACA.9080103@bjork-huffman.net> James, please tell Bookworm the price for adding something like this to a CoCo. I don't think he caught it in your post. Also, 1,790,000 16-bit words per second does not make for a very fast memory interface. (Even a two decades old system.) It would had press to get a better graphics with that slow of memory. An 800 by 600 by 256 color graphics mode would need a memory speed of 15,000,000 16-bit words per second and triple that speed for true (24-bit) color mode. But speed is not the only issue. It would take 480K bytes just to display an 800 by 600 bye 256 color screen. There would be no room left in the CoCo's memory to run anything but a Mega-Bug ROM game. You could expand the memory limit while you updating the GIME to 2 megabytes since it's easy to add the extra bits to the MMU. But you are still limits how fast you can access the memory and a full screen update would take 500 ms (about 1/2 second) and that makes the game frame rate of 2 per second. Too slow in my book. The CoCo screen resolution was kept low not just because of the memory limit but the speed of updating the memory. The speed of the Coco was a wall that I hit time and time again when creating my games for Tandy. Steve (Z-89) Bjork jdaggett at gate.net wrote: > It is a essentially a replacement Coco but done in either two or three > FPGAs. Currently I am lenaing towards three FPGAs. This can be used as > an embedded sytem or as a stand alone system. > > What I am about to share is a work that I started several years ago and has > undergone several intese modifications. First off was to do a Coco3 into a > single FPGA. While that is doable, in fact has been. None of the > development boards out there that are under $300 in cost are lacking in > either I/O or VGA color depth withour modification. > > This all coincided with my understanding of several handheld computers > that are out there to control a telescope. Two in particular use a processor > that runs no faster than a Coco3. To give it in a nutshell, I decided to > investigate using a Coco3 for a telescope controller. To my surprise it can > be very well adapted to such a task with some external motor drivers. > > The main sticking point is that setting up a laptop, and a coco system is a > bit to much for the field use in a remote area. I need a Coco3 that is small > and portable. No bulky disk drives and monitor. Just the computer, a small > LCD, and a flash drive. > > The current direction is now more in line with what Sockmaster had > proposed years ago which at first I rejected. Now in retrospect some of his > ideas are not bad all. One FPGA will house the CPU and any > enhancements to the instruction set like a math coprossesor. The second > chip is the main guts of the GIME chip like the MMU, registers and such. > The third FPGA is the actual video section. All are separate boards and are > plugable into a main board that is but a carrier. A fourth board will have the > Vinculum chip that gives me direct access to a USB flash drive for storage. > The Vinculum chip handles all the FAT issues for drive access. > > Like I stated it started from first being a GIME replacement into a Coco3 > that has grown maybe out of proportion. But size is now a driving factor and > the ability to operate off of batteries. > > i hope this is less than a minute but a synopsis of what I am doing. I am > hoping to have some form of a working unit by the end of the summer. I > finally have the finances and hopefully the time to realize a dream of mine > for the last four years. Also to learn something in the process. > > > james > > From jdaggett at gate.net Mon May 11 09:01:38 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:01:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 68000/RAM board project In-Reply-To: <4A07AACA.9080103@bjork-huffman.net> References: <4A02BD00.7070605@att.net>, <4A06EE7E.7244.1656C0@jdaggett.gate.net>, <4A07AACA.9080103@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <4A07E972.29811.D2F9C@jdaggett.gate.net> Steve You are correct on all those issue. Improving graphics performance alone will no make a Coco3 batter. Increasing memory for higher resolutions also will not make a coco better. What is needed is for the internals to get faster. Everything from the processor down to the memory interface. WIth an FPGA, a 6809 or even a 6309 core could run as fast as 25 MHz or more depending on the FPGA and how the core is coded. I have taken John Kent's latest core and synthesized it alone in a XC3S500E FPGA. The static estimated propogation delays through the chip and routing yielded a speed of near 40MHz. Now that is a 20 times speed improvement over the current Coco3. It also means that if you keep the same IDMA process that the GIME uses you need 12 nS ram as your slowest speed ram. Current GIME needs 150nS ram. Memory issues are not to bad if I can get enoough speed todo what I want. That way the processor will have its own 2 meg of ram and the video will also have its own 2 meg of ram. I hope it works. james On 10 May 2009 at 21:34, Steve Bjork wrote: > James, please tell Bookworm the price for adding something like this > to a CoCo. I don't think he caught it in your post. > > Also, 1,790,000 16-bit words per second does not make for a very fast > memory interface. (Even a two decades old system.) It would had press > to get a better graphics with that slow of memory. An 800 by 600 by > 256 color graphics mode would need a memory speed of 15,000,000 16-bit > words per second and triple that speed for true (24-bit) color mode. > > But speed is not the only issue. It would take 480K bytes just to > display an 800 by 600 bye 256 color screen. There would be no room > left in the CoCo's memory to run anything but a Mega-Bug ROM game. > > You could expand the memory limit while you updating the GIME to 2 > megabytes since it's easy to add the extra bits to the MMU. But you > are still limits how fast you can access the memory and a full screen > update would take 500 ms (about 1/2 second) and that makes the game > frame rate of 2 per second. Too slow in my book. > > The CoCo screen resolution was kept low not just because of the memory > limit but the speed of updating the memory. The speed of the Coco was > a wall that I hit time and time again when creating my games for > Tandy. > > Steve (Z-89) Bjork > > jdaggett at gate.net wrote: > > It is a essentially a replacement Coco but done in either two or > > three FPGAs. Currently I am lenaing towards three FPGAs. This can be > > used as an embedded sytem or as a stand alone system. > > > > What I am about to share is a work that I started several years ago > > and has undergone several intese modifications. First off was to do > > a Coco3 into a single FPGA. While that is doable, in fact has been. > > None of the development boards out there that are under $300 in cost > > are lacking in either I/O or VGA color depth withour modification. > > > > This all coincided with my understanding of several handheld > > computers that are out there to control a telescope. Two in > > particular use a processor that runs no faster than a Coco3. To give > > it in a nutshell, I decided to investigate using a Coco3 for a > > telescope controller. To my surprise it can be very well adapted to > > such a task with some external motor drivers. > > > > The main sticking point is that setting up a laptop, and a coco > > system is a bit to much for the field use in a remote area. I need a > > Coco3 that is small and portable. No bulky disk drives and monitor. > > Just the computer, a small LCD, and a flash drive. > > > > The current direction is now more in line with what Sockmaster had > > proposed years ago which at first I rejected. Now in retrospect some > > of his ideas are not bad all. One FPGA will house the CPU and any > > enhancements to the instruction set like a math coprossesor. The > > second chip is the main guts of the GIME chip like the MMU, > > registers and such. The third FPGA is the actual video section. All > > are separate boards and are plugable into a main board that is but a > > carrier. A fourth board will have the Vinculum chip that gives me > > direct access to a USB flash drive for storage. The Vinculum chip > > handles all the FAT issues for drive access. > > > > Like I stated it started from first being a GIME replacement into a > > Coco3 that has grown maybe out of proportion. But size is now a > > driving factor and the ability to operate off of batteries. > > > > i hope this is less than a minute but a synopsis of what I am doing. > > I am hoping to have some form of a working unit by the end of the > > summer. I finally have the finances and hopefully the time to > > realize a dream of mine for the last four years. Also to learn > > something in the process. > > > > > > james > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon May 11 11:36:56 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads Message-ID: <024a01c9d24e$515ad880$f4108980$@rr.com> Since I have so many of the Rainbow and Hot Coco magazines in PDF format, I'd like to upload them to Malted Media, but I don't know whether anyone would want me to, or even the FTP addy to get them there. Comments? ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From brucewcalkins at charter.net Mon May 11 11:43:12 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:43:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads References: <024a01c9d24e$515ad880$f4108980$@rr.com> Message-ID: <23E063557D6B44CFB842F29F15890A0E@speedy> > Since I have so many of the Rainbow and Hot Coco magazines in PDF format, > I'd like to upload them to Malted Media, but I don't know whether anyone > would want me to, or even the FTP addy to get them there. Yes, I would like to see them there. ftp.maltedmedia.com under incoming. Bruce W. From nutz4coco at gmail.com Mon May 11 12:05:36 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:05:36 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <889830d00905110905r2e7fa580n4eb7e4d770436efa@mail.gmail.com> If you need some manuals, then drop me a line in private. I have some duplicates you can have for the cost of shipping. I think I also read that you may need a cassette recorder; let me see what I can do to help there too. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Arthur Flexser wrote: > You should try to find a copy of the CoCo 3 programming guide that > originally came with the machine; it's very easy to understand and > has lots of examples of how the commands are used. (I'm guessing you > don't have this, and just have the booklet that lists the commands.) > I don't recall the name of it, but it was the successor to Getting > Started With Color Basic and Going Ahead With Extended Basic, which > came with the earlier CoCo's. > > I was going to give an example of the use of FOR and INPUT, but as I > was writing this, I see Bob Devries filled the gap nicely, so a tip of > the hat to him. > > Art > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: > > Ive JUST purchased a WORKING tandy coco III for 4.00 at the thrift store > today! Me and my mother have been programmin' on it all day. We just LOVE > it! But, I need some help. Ive read the commmands and their syntax, but to > me, it dosnt make sense. Come someone please explain in simple terms the > commands Input and FOR. We don't know how to write them correctly. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Mon May 11 12:42:43 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:42:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: References: <5FC3DADC-3A11-42EF-8DA6-B3E83DFD8513@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20090511110439.045aaf48@coco3.com> At 06:15 PM 5/10/2009, you wrote: >Graphic Convertor, hands down. ^____^ > >http://www.lemkesoft.com/ > > >On 4/13/09 11:50 AM, "Dean Leiber" wrote: > > > I'm working on cleaning up some scans for the CoCo/OS9 Archive and > > these are particularly speckled (way too bad to fix by hand). Does > > anyone know a Mac graphics program (other than Photoshop, whose price > > is out of this world) that has a 'depseckle' filter? Thanks! LView Pro is the best editor I've seen in over 8 years. I finally bought my copy a few years back which brought in the extra features I'd missed out on. It has a lot of colors and palette operations and definately a despeckler in the Color->Filters menu. The unregistered version does it, too. I'ved used LView Pro for a tremendous amount of graphics work since 2000 or so. Almost any kind of picture you see on my web site, software, or games was done in LView. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon May 11 12:56:42 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:56:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090511110439.045aaf48@coco3.com> References: <5FC3DADC-3A11-42EF-8DA6-B3E83DFD8513@nationsdial.com> <6.2.5.6.0.20090511110439.045aaf48@coco3.com> Message-ID: <200905111256.43085.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 11 May 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >At 06:15 PM 5/10/2009, you wrote: >>Graphic Convertor, hands down. ^____^ >> >>http://www.lemkesoft.com/ >> >>On 4/13/09 11:50 AM, "Dean Leiber" wrote: >> > I'm working on cleaning up some scans for the CoCo/OS9 Archive and >> > these are particularly speckled (way too bad to fix by hand). Does >> > anyone know a Mac graphics program (other than Photoshop, whose price >> > is out of this world) that has a 'depseckle' filter? Thanks! > >LView Pro is the best editor I've seen in over 8 years. I finally >bought my copy a few years back which brought in the extra features >I'd missed out on. It has a lot of colors and palette operations and >definately a despeckler in the Color->Filters menu. The unregistered >version does it, too. >I'ved used LView Pro for a tremendous amount of graphics work since >2000 or so. Almost any kind of picture you see on my web site, >software >, or games was done in LView. Gimp also has one, but I just tried it on a copy of a scan of a film original pix I took & developed 30 years ago, and I wasn't impressed, too much blurring went along with the despeckle IMO. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Documentation is the castor oil of programming. Managers know it must be good because the programmers hate it so much. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon May 11 13:55:44 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:55:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads In-Reply-To: <23E063557D6B44CFB842F29F15890A0E@speedy> References: <024a01c9d24e$515ad880$f4108980$@rr.com> <23E063557D6B44CFB842F29F15890A0E@speedy> Message-ID: <026901c9d261$be13a930$3a3afb90$@rr.com> Well, I have uploaded all of '81 and uploading '82 now, but the directory is full, and I'm wondering when they will be made available to the general public. I hate to send them all there and find out that they are NOT going to be made available. I'm gonna hold off till most of these are sorted and put where they belong for downloading. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:43 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Malted Media uploads > > > > > > Since I have so many of the Rainbow and Hot Coco magazines in PDF > format, > > I'd like to upload them to Malted Media, but I don't know whether > anyone > > would want me to, or even the FTP addy to get them there. > > > Yes, I would like to see them there. > > ftp.maltedmedia.com under incoming. > > Bruce W. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Mon May 11 06:37:38 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: <7A85A858-C4A6-4F32-B948-9A4EC5946F74@aquaporin4.com> Message-ID: <695616.15858.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks. Now, Ive been able to impress my dad with Guess the number, a game I made! Thanks everybody who was able to help! From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon May 11 14:14:56 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:14:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads In-Reply-To: <23E063557D6B44CFB842F29F15890A0E@speedy> References: <024a01c9d24e$515ad880$f4108980$@rr.com> <23E063557D6B44CFB842F29F15890A0E@speedy> Message-ID: <027c01c9d264$7061f400$5125dc00$@rr.com> Uploads continuing From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon May 11 15:50:52 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:50:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads Message-ID: <028a01c9d271$cf1d4870$6d57d950$@rr.com> 1983 Rainbows uploading ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From lamune at doki-doki.net Mon May 11 15:52:18 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:52:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads In-Reply-To: <028a01c9d271$cf1d4870$6d57d950$@rr.com> References: <028a01c9d271$cf1d4870$6d57d950$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B227@fenestra.lamunet.local> Thanks Bill! > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 12:51 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads > > 1983 Rainbows uploading > > > > ______________________________________ > > *Square One Christian BBS > > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php > > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com > > > > A Taste of Coco > > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2108 - Release Date: > 05/11/09 05:52:00 From cdiman7 at flash.net Mon May 11 16:08:32 2009 From: cdiman7 at flash.net (Karl Sefcik) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:08:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> Vacuumboy, If you have the cassette interface cable, then all you need to do is plug it into any cassette recorder, the only thing is that the tape speed is slower, and that tape can be only played back on normal machines. If you have an inexpensive cassette recorder from a drug store or Target (or other), that will work fine. One other thing, you may have to turn the input level down because the Coco data is a square wave, and you will be recording on a device that is made for recording audio. Likewise, you may have to jack the playback output up. I bought a table Pennfest one year, realized I brought my Coco (for demos), but failed to bring a data recorder (was going to travel light, with just a Coco, CM-8 and tape deck. I bought an ordinary cassette player, was able to save data, and later I bid on one in an auction and got one. Just that the tapes I made before on the other wouldn't work on the latter, because they played back at a higher frequency, and weren't recognized by the Coco as data for it. Karl vacuumboy1 wrote: > I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there any other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon May 11 16:12:49 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:12:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B227@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <028a01c9d271$cf1d4870$6d57d950$@rr.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B227@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <028f01c9d274$dc511370$94f33a50$@rr.com> You know the mags are available at my FTP as well.... ftp://www.sq1bbs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:52 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Malted Media uploads > > Thanks Bill! From mechacoco at gmail.com Mon May 11 16:50:46 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:50:46 -0600 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> Message-ID: <5d802cd0905111350j59db6064ja155c7cb8ed290f7@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/09, Karl Sefcik wrote: > > If you have the cassette interface cable, then all you need to do is > plug it into any cassette recorder, the only thing is that the tape > speed is slower, and that tape can be only played back on normal > machines. If you have an inexpensive cassette recorder from a drug store > or Target (or other), that will work fine. > One other thing, you may have to turn the input level down because > the Coco data is a square wave, and you will be recording on a device > that is made for recording audio. Likewise, you may have to jack the > playback output up. The CoCo's cassette data is not a square wave, but a rather coarse approximation of a sine wave. I'm not sure what you mean by a slower tape speed since all Tandy Computer Cassette Recorders are just glorified monaural audio cassette recorders and run at the standard 1 7/8 inches per second. Any decent maonaural cassette recorder should work with the CoCo. Darren From lamune at doki-doki.net Mon May 11 17:43:52 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:43:52 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> Karl, there is nothing special about the speed of a TRS-80 cassette deck. I think yours is just out of adjustment. Those belts don't last forever. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Karl Sefcik > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:09 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? > > Vacuumboy, > > If you have the cassette interface cable, then all you need to do > is > plug it into any cassette recorder, the only thing is that the tape > speed is slower, and that tape can be only played back on normal > machines. If you have an inexpensive cassette recorder from a drug > store > or Target (or other), that will work fine. > One other thing, you may have to turn the input level down because > the Coco data is a square wave, and you will be recording on a device > that is made for recording audio. Likewise, you may have to jack the > playback output up. > I bought a table Pennfest one year, realized I brought my Coco (for > demos), but failed to bring a data recorder (was going to travel light, > with just a Coco, CM-8 and tape deck. I bought an ordinary cassette > player, was able to save data, and later I bid on one in an auction and > got one. Just that the tapes I made before on the other wouldn't work > on > the latter, because they played back at a higher frequency, and weren't > recognized by the Coco as data for it. > Karl > > > vacuumboy1 wrote: > > I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there > any other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2108 - Release Date: > 05/11/09 05:52:00 From flexser at fiu.edu Mon May 11 17:52:39 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:52:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> Message-ID: I may be mistaken, but I don't think the average generic cassette recorder has an input jack for turning the motor off and on, does it? So vacuumboy would have to start and stop it manually. Art On 5/11/09, Karl Sefcik wrote: > Vacuumboy, > > If you have the cassette interface cable, then all you need to do is plug > it into any cassette recorder, the only thing is that the tape speed is > slower, and that tape can be only played back on normal machines. If you > have an inexpensive cassette recorder from a drug store or Target (or > other), that will work fine. > One other thing, you may have to turn the input level down because the > Coco data is a square wave, and you will be recording on a device that is > made for recording audio. Likewise, you may have to jack the playback output > up. > I bought a table Pennfest one year, realized I brought my Coco (for > demos), but failed to bring a data recorder (was going to travel light, with > just a Coco, CM-8 and tape deck. I bought an ordinary cassette player, was > able to save data, and later I bid on one in an auction and got one. Just > that the tapes I made before on the other wouldn't work on the latter, > because they played back at a higher frequency, and weren't recognized by > the Coco as data for it. > Karl > > > vacuumboy1 wrote: > > > I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there any > other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From mechacoco at gmail.com Mon May 11 18:24:29 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:24:29 -0600 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> Message-ID: <5d802cd0905111524t17bcbaa6xce9bca4759adb4ca@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/09, Arthur Flexser wrote: > I may be mistaken, but I don't think the average generic cassette > recorder has an input jack for turning the motor off and on, does it? > So vacuumboy would have to start and stop it manually. > Cassette recorders with a MIC jack almost always have a REM jack right next to it. Recorders used to come with a microphone that had both plugs together in a single housing. What you won't find on some recorders is the AUX jack for recording. Trying to record data from the CoCo through a MIC input may not work very well if at all. Darren From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Mon May 11 18:51:53 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:51:53 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: Just to throw out a couple of ideas here... I do have a CCR-81 recorder that's fully functional I have used with success. But I have also had success with 3 other methods of using the cassette cable on portable audio devices to save/load data. 1. Microcassette recorder This works well, although there is no motor control. I simply start the REC just before I start the save operation on the coco. I start the 'load' operation on the coco before I start the PLAY on the unit. 2. MiniDisc recorder. This nifty little unit lets me record 180 mins of mono audio in digital cd-like format (MD's are miniature CD's smaller than a floppy and reside inside a plastic casing making it nearly indestructible under normal use.) I have never had one of these go bad. I just jack it in the same way I do on the Microcassette recorder and voila! As a plus, I can skip tracks just like a CD really quick and find the data I'm looking for to PLAY back to the CoCo. 3. CD audio. This is similar to above and allows me to play back from a audio CD. However, since I don't have a direct "CD burner" device with a audio input (like the MD unit), I run a audio adapter and extension cable from the output of the CoCo cassette cable into the AUX input on my PC's sound card. I then do the save operation on the CoCo and record the input on my PC as a WAV or MP3 file. Then I can go back and burn these files to a CD and there we go. :) Just some ideas, there are many good alternatives to a CCR-80 series tape recorder. - Chad -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:44 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? Karl, there is nothing special about the speed of a TRS-80 cassette deck. I think yours is just out of adjustment. Those belts don't last forever. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Karl Sefcik > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:09 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? > > Vacuumboy, > > If you have the cassette interface cable, then all you need to do > is > plug it into any cassette recorder, the only thing is that the tape > speed is slower, and that tape can be only played back on normal > machines. If you have an inexpensive cassette recorder from a drug > store > or Target (or other), that will work fine. > One other thing, you may have to turn the input level down because > the Coco data is a square wave, and you will be recording on a device > that is made for recording audio. Likewise, you may have to jack the > playback output up. > I bought a table Pennfest one year, realized I brought my Coco (for > demos), but failed to bring a data recorder (was going to travel light, > with just a Coco, CM-8 and tape deck. I bought an ordinary cassette > player, was able to save data, and later I bid on one in an auction and > got one. Just that the tapes I made before on the other wouldn't work > on > the latter, because they played back at a higher frequency, and weren't > recognized by the Coco as data for it. > Karl > > > vacuumboy1 wrote: > > I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there > any other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2108 - Release Date: > 05/11/09 05:52:00 -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Mon May 11 20:09:20 2009 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads Message-ID: <20090511.190920.5124.1.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> I am having trouble logging on. What do i have to do to gain access to the ftp site? John On Mon, 11 May 2009 16:12:49 -0400 "Bill" writes: > You know the mags are available at my FTP as well.... > > ftp://www.sq1bbs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:52 PM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] Malted Media uploads > > > > Thanks Bill! > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEbe4KRMvLerwQSBVf6tZszfXHft8cauOlewtZmm2WBdzKgZwegKk/ From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon May 11 20:45:42 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:45:42 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads References: <20090511.190920.5124.1.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <7104851F552B44A682E018A4AF547B17@master> If you're using an FTP client programme such as LeapFTP, then you need to put "anonymous" as the username and your email address as the passord. You can also access the site using your favourite browser, for download purposes only. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T Chasteen" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Malted Media uploads >I am having trouble logging on. > What do i have to do to gain access to the ftp site? > > John > > On Mon, 11 May 2009 16:12:49 -0400 "Bill" > writes: >> You know the mags are available at my FTP as well.... >> >> ftp://www.sq1bbs.com >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe >> > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:52 PM >> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Malted Media uploads >> > >> > Thanks Bill! >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEbe4KRMvLerwQSBVf6tZszfXHft8cauOlewtZmm2WBdzKgZwegKk/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon May 11 20:51:24 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:51:24 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads References: <20090511.190920.5124.1.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <859651CF2D9249879B9F229E3A71A26D@master> oh, and the site is ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/ -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T Chasteen" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Malted Media uploads >I am having trouble logging on. > What do i have to do to gain access to the ftp site? > > John > > On Mon, 11 May 2009 16:12:49 -0400 "Bill" > writes: >> You know the mags are available at my FTP as well.... >> >> ftp://www.sq1bbs.com >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe >> > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:52 PM >> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Malted Media uploads >> > >> > Thanks Bill! >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEbe4KRMvLerwQSBVf6tZszfXHft8cauOlewtZmm2WBdzKgZwegKk/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon May 11 22:56:54 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:56:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads In-Reply-To: <20090511.190920.5124.1.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20090511.190920.5124.1.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <02be01c9d2ad$53d987f0$fb8c97d0$@rr.com> Just for clarity, there are NO anonymous logins to sq1bbs.com From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Tue May 12 03:08:33 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? Message-ID: <299434.34949.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can't speak for the latest generation of cheap cassette recorders, but... There were many back in the day that did have remote switching... It came in handy for dictation... just grab the mic, hit a switch, and talk, hit the switch again, pause until ready to start again. -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Arthur Flexser wrote: > From: Arthur Flexser > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 4:52 PM > I may be mistaken, but I don't think > the average generic cassette > recorder has an input jack for turning the motor off and > on, does it? > So vacuumboy would have to start and stop it manually. > > Art > > On 5/11/09, Karl Sefcik > wrote: > > Vacuumboy, > > > >? ? If you have the cassette interface cable, > then all you need to do is plug > > it into any cassette recorder, the only thing is that > the tape speed is > > slower, and that tape can be only played back on > normal machines. If you > > have an inexpensive cassette recorder from a drug > store or Target (or > > other), that will work fine. > >???One other thing, you may have to turn > the input level down because the > > Coco data is a square wave, and you will be recording > on a device that is > > made for recording audio. Likewise, you may have to > jack the playback output > > up. > >???I bought a table Pennfest one year, > realized I brought my Coco (for > > demos), but failed to bring a data recorder (was going > to travel light, with > > just a Coco, CM-8 and tape deck. I bought an ordinary > cassette player, was > > able to save data, and later I bid on one in an > auction and got one. Just > > that the tapes I made before on the other wouldn't > work on the latter, > > because they played back at a higher frequency, and > weren't recognized by > > the Coco as data for it. > >? Karl > > > > > >? vacuumboy1 wrote: > > > > > I don't have a cassatte? tape player to save > my programs. Is there any > > other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY > appreciated! > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > >? -- > >? Coco mailing list > >? Coco at maltedmedia.com > >? http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From bkheath at gmail.com Tue May 12 22:05:41 2009 From: bkheath at gmail.com (bkheath at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 May 2009, Arthur Flexser wrote: > I may be mistaken, but I don't think the average generic cassette > recorder has an input jack for turning the motor off and on, does it? > So vacuumboy would have to start and stop it manually. > > Art It wasn't exactly universal but it was very common for portable cassette players to have remote on/off switch on the mike, and they used the same jack in the same position on the case as Tandy's "Computer Cassette" recorders. For that matter any decent recorder should work, doesn't have to be cassette (and yes, some reel-to-reel players had the remote switch jack also). Brett K. Heath From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue May 12 09:39:11 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:39:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] MaltedMedia PDF uploads Message-ID: <02cc01c9d307$0d0a2410$271e6c30$@rr.com> Unless there are objections, I'm gonna upload my PDF files in zip format (smaller size, quicker upload). Starting 1984 uploads now. ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From vchester at setec-cr.com Tue May 12 10:20:00 2009 From: vchester at setec-cr.com (Chester A Patterson) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:20:00 -0600 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <299434.34949.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E01552D35@setec-server.SETEC.COM> Replacement for the DICTAPHONE, remember them? Those big tape loops. /Chester Costa Rica -----Original Message----- From: Bill Barnes [mailto:da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com] I can't speak for the latest generation of cheap cassette recorders, but... There were many back in the day that did have remote switching... It came in handy for dictation... just grab the mic, hit a switch, and talk, hit the switch again, pause until ready to start again. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue May 12 10:30:50 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:30:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS9 Level II Message-ID: <02d601c9d30e$44562930$cd027b90$@rr.com> Has anyone run across this book "The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS9 Level II" in pdf format? I might have, but cannot remember (and obviously didn't download it.) Is Excalibur ftp available again yet? Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Tue May 12 11:16:05 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Old member Message-ID: <4A0992B5.2090409@embarqmail.com> has anyone heard from Lee Veal lately? -- I was with my children at the moment of their breath. I stood by my father at the moment of his death. I stand by you at this moment, forever. From t.fadden at cox.net Tue May 12 13:19:36 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS9 Level II Message-ID: <19251580.9713.1242148776013.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> Not sure about the Rainbow Guide, but if you are looking to download, Excalibur1 has always ben available at: http://www.excalibur1.net/coco/ On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM , Bill wrote: > Has anyone run across this book "The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS9 > Level II" > in pdf format? I might have, but cannot remember (and obviously didn't > download it.) > > > Is Excalibur ftp available again yet? > > > Thanks > > > ______________________________________ > > *Square One Christian BBS > > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php > > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com > > > A Taste of Coco > > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cdiman7 at flash.net Tue May 12 13:53:10 2009 From: cdiman7 at flash.net (Karl Sefcik) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:53:10 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <4A09B786.6060401@flash.net> Mike, Check this out, I think there is a difference. Take a normal pre-recorded tape of Christmas music or something else that you bought for use in your car (a few years ago), and play it in the TRS80-cassette deck. It will play faster, like chipmunk music, that's what I based my conclusion on for the faster tape speed. So if you were to play back a data tape (recorded on an audio quality cassette recorder) on a CCR-80 or 81, the tones would be a higher frequency and would not be recognized as data by a Coco. Karl Mike Pepe wrote: > Karl, there is nothing special about the speed of a TRS-80 cassette > deck. I think yours is just out of adjustment. Those belts don't last > forever. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Karl Sefcik >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:09 PM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? >> >> Vacuumboy, >> >> If you have the cassette interface cable, then all you need to do >> is >> plug it into any cassette recorder, the only thing is that the tape >> speed is slower, and that tape can be only played back on normal >> machines. If you have an inexpensive cassette recorder from a drug >> store >> or Target (or other), that will work fine. >> One other thing, you may have to turn the input level down because >> the Coco data is a square wave, and you will be recording on a device >> that is made for recording audio. Likewise, you may have to jack the >> playback output up. >> I bought a table Pennfest one year, realized I brought my Coco (for >> demos), but failed to bring a data recorder (was going to travel > light, >> with just a Coco, CM-8 and tape deck. I bought an ordinary cassette >> player, was able to save data, and later I bid on one in an auction > and >> got one. Just that the tapes I made before on the other wouldn't work >> on >> the latter, because they played back at a higher frequency, and > weren't >> recognized by the Coco as data for it. >> Karl >> >> >> vacuumboy1 wrote: >>> I don't have a cassatte tape player to save my programs. Is there >> any other way to save? Again, any help would be GREATLY appreciated! >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2108 - Release Date: >> 05/11/09 05:52:00 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From snhirsch at gmail.com Tue May 12 14:02:50 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <4A09B786.6060401@flash.net> References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> <4A09B786.6060401@flash.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 May 2009, Karl Sefcik wrote: > Mike, > > Check this out, I think there is a difference. Take a normal pre-recorded > tape of Christmas music or something else that you bought for use in your car > (a few years ago), and play it in the TRS80-cassette deck. It will play > faster, like chipmunk music, that's what I based my conclusion on for the > faster tape speed. Have you verified that on more than one unit? Sounds more like a unit with the speed adjustment off. The mechanism is a standard audio cassette drive and those run at 1-7/8 ips. Steve -- From jcewy at swbell.net Tue May 12 15:05:32 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> <4A09B786.6060401@flash.net> Message-ID: <4A09C87C.9090806@swbell.net> Steven Hirsch wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2009, Karl Sefcik wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> Check this out, I think there is a difference. Take a normal >> pre-recorded tape of Christmas music or something else that you >> bought for use in your car (a few years ago), and play it in the >> TRS80-cassette deck. It will play faster, like chipmunk music, that's >> what I based my conclusion on for the faster tape speed. > > Have you verified that on more than one unit? Sounds more like a unit > with the speed adjustment off. The mechanism is a standard audio > cassette drive and those run at 1-7/8 ips. > > Steve > > > Agreed. In fact, the CoCo has a BASIC instruction (AUDIO ON/OFF, IIRC) designed just to play the cassette audio through the TV speaker, so you could have speech and music in your programs. JCE From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue May 12 20:22:19 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:22:19 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Dynaform and Dynaspell from Dynasoft Message-ID: <7DD978D13A7741299A367126D3AC9F30@master> Hi gang, Does anyone here have the original disks of the DynaForm and DynaSpell programmes? DynaForm was written by Allan G. Jost of Dynasoft Systems, and DynaSpell was from Dale L. Pucket. Both were used together with the DynaStar word processor to make a WordStar like word processing system for OS9 level 1. The documents seem to be out there, although they are huge size ( >10MB each), and I have a disk with the files, but I no longer have the originals. I'd like to get them if possible, or at least a tree output of their directory structures so I can reconstruct the disks with what I have for archival purposes. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Tue May 12 20:23:42 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure Message-ID: Well, they've went and done it. They are saying I can't host my daughters photos or important files I need to keep offline or anything else that makes it worth keeping. I am therefore discontinuing the hosting service. It was scheduled to renew May 22, but now will not. I expect the site to be gone then or shortly thereafter. I will reactive the access to the upload FTP for those that might want to grab any files from there while they still exist. From the notice they sent me, it looks like they are going to delete them themselves if I don't. Sorry I couldn't do more :( - Chad -----Original Message----- From: PowWeb [mailto:legal at powweb-inc.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:43 PM To: chadbh at excalibur1.net Subject: PowWeb Terms of Service Violation -- Action Required ***************************************************************** ACTION REQUIRED IMMEDIATELY. PLEASE REVIEW THIS NOTICE CAREFULLY. ***************************************************************** Dear Chad, We regret to inform you that your "chadbh75" account is currently in violation of the following section of our Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy: "Hosting space ... is limited to Web files, e-mail and content of the hosted Web sites, not for storage of media and other data. Hosting space may not be used as offsite storage for electronic files or for third party electronic mail or FTP hosts." ***************************************************************** You need to remove the files in violation within three business days to avoid having them deleted. ***************************************************************** If you are using your Web hosting account as a repository for storing music, movies, videos or pictures of any kind, your account is in violation of our Terms of Service. Please understand that we're not making any statement as to the legality of the files; this type of file storage is simply not what our hosting accounts are intended for. For more information, please review the "Bandwidth and Disk Usage" section of our Terms of Service: http://www.powweb.com/legal/legal_useragreement.bml We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you. We certainly do not want to lose you as a customer, but we must consider the needs of all customers on our shared hosting platform. Our Terms of Service are in place to ensure the optimum performance of all accounts on our platform. Please contact us if you have any questions: http://www.powweb.com/support/contact.bml Sincerely, The PowWeb Team 1169(05.12.09) From os9dude at gmail.com Tue May 12 21:21:31 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:21:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app Message-ID: <5631e580905121821x5a44296em50c0d6870d8b0174@mail.gmail.com> Have my CoCo setup connected over a serial port to a WinXP box (Roger Taylor's Wireless pak), with Mickey Term 4.7 at the CoCo and Hyperterminal at Windoze. File transfers work ok but it is a rather tedious operation when more than a couple files are involved. Eons ago I used Datastorm Technologies ProComm Plus on a DOS box to do precisely the same (before the porting utilities and other nice goodies we have today). I installed the shareware version of ProComm Plus to play test its MiniHost mode: a barebones BBS environment that allows for user end attended operation of a file transfer excercise - my problem is that ProComm Plus does not go beyond COM4... and the bluetooth port is set to COM6. I know there are other less involved options nowadays to port files back and forth between a CoCo and a Wintel rig, so this is more of an excercise for the fun of it. Anyone knows about a similar program like PCPlus and its mini-host mode that would do natively under WIndows?. I had to install a port mapper to siphon anything going thrugh COM6 and make it look like COM3 for example, aparently the Wintel terminal software could care less as it works with no problem. I'd just like to go minimum system here, no fancy port mapping nor awkward looking DOS boxes. Installing a mildly fledged BBS in Windows would defeat the principle of simplicity, I searched around and short of a BBS I didn't see anything like PCPlus mini host... -=[ Rogelio ]=- From snhirsch at gmail.com Tue May 12 21:35:59 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure In-Reply-To: <007701c9d361$11dec3b0$359c4b10$@com> References: <007701c9d361$11dec3b0$359c4b10$@com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 May 2009, Chad H wrote: > Well, they've went and done it. They are saying I can't host my daughters > photos or important files I need to keep offline or anything else that makes > it worth keeping. I am therefore discontinuing the hosting service. It was > scheduled to renew May 22, but now will not. I expect the site to be gone > then or shortly thereafter. I will reactive the access to the upload FTP > for those that might want to grab any files from there while they still > exist. From the notice they sent me, it looks like they are going to delete > them themselves if I don't. Sorry I couldn't do more :( Can someone please mirror this before it disappears? -- From tjseagrove at writeme.com Tue May 12 21:53:27 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:53:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <5631e580905121821x5a44296em50c0d6870d8b0174@mail.gmail.com> References: <5631e580905121821x5a44296em50c0d6870d8b0174@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002001c9d36d$9de64660$d9b2d320$@com> Can't you go into the device settings and change the COM port? Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Rogelio Perea Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:22 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app Have my CoCo setup connected over a serial port to a WinXP box (Roger Taylor's Wireless pak), with Mickey Term 4.7 at the CoCo and Hyperterminal at Windoze. File transfers work ok but it is a rather tedious operation when more than a couple files are involved. Eons ago I used Datastorm Technologies ProComm Plus on a DOS box to do precisely the same (before the porting utilities and other nice goodies we have today). I installed the shareware version of ProComm Plus to play test its MiniHost mode: a barebones BBS environment that allows for user end attended operation of a file transfer excercise - my problem is that ProComm Plus does not go beyond COM4... and the bluetooth port is set to COM6. I know there are other less involved options nowadays to port files back and forth between a CoCo and a Wintel rig, so this is more of an excercise for the fun of it. Anyone knows about a similar program like PCPlus and its mini-host mode that would do natively under WIndows?. I had to install a port mapper to siphon anything going thrugh COM6 and make it look like COM3 for example, aparently the Wintel terminal software could care less as it works with no problem. I'd just like to go minimum system here, no fancy port mapping nor awkward looking DOS boxes. Installing a mildly fledged BBS in Windows would defeat the principle of simplicity, I searched around and short of a BBS I didn't see anything like PCPlus mini host... -=[ Rogelio ]=- -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 12 22:19:10 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 02:19:10 GMT Subject: [Coco] Dynaform and Dynaspell from Dynasoft Message-ID: <20090512221996.SM03628@[208.76.35.239]> If you hurry, DynaSpell is here: http://excalibur1.net/coco/CoCo%20Softwares/DSK%20images/Applications/DynaSpell/ Tony -----Original Message----- From: Bob Devries devries.bob at gmail.com Sent 5/12/2009 8:22:19 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] Dynaform and Dynaspell from Dynasoft Hi gang, Does anyone here have the original disks of the DynaForm and DynaSpell programmes? DynaForm was written by Allan G. Jost of Dynasoft Systems, and DynaSpell was from Dale L. Pucket. Both were used together with the DynaStar word processor to make a WordStar like word processing system for OS9 level 1. The documents seem to be out there, although they are huge size ( 10MB each), and I have a disk with the files, but I no longer have the originals. I'd like to get them if possible, or at least a tree output of their directory structures so I can reconstruct the disks with what I have for archival purposes. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From os9dude at gmail.com Tue May 12 22:19:51 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:19:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <002001c9d36d$9de64660$d9b2d320$@com> References: <5631e580905121821x5a44296em50c0d6870d8b0174@mail.gmail.com> <002001c9d36d$9de64660$d9b2d320$@com> Message-ID: <5631e580905121919s33defdb8s4e14d4d12f137c93@mail.gmail.com> System won't allow... 'twas one of the first things I went to look at... On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Tom Seagrove wrote: > Can't you go into the device settings and change the COM port? > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On > Behalf Of Rogelio Perea > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:22 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app > > Have my CoCo setup connected over a serial port to a WinXP box (Roger > Taylor's Wireless pak), with Mickey Term 4.7 at the CoCo and Hyperterminal > at Windoze. File transfers work ok but it is a rather tedious operation > when > more than a couple files are involved. > > Eons ago I used Datastorm Technologies ProComm Plus on a DOS box to do > precisely the same (before the porting utilities and other nice goodies we > have today). I installed the shareware version of ProComm Plus to play test > its MiniHost mode: a barebones BBS environment that allows for user end > attended operation of a file transfer excercise - my problem is that > ProComm > Plus does not go beyond COM4... and the bluetooth port is set to COM6. > > I know there are other less involved options nowadays to port files back > and > forth between a CoCo and a Wintel rig, so this is more of an excercise for > the fun of it. > > Anyone knows about a similar program like PCPlus and its mini-host mode > that > would do natively under WIndows?. I had to install a port mapper to siphon > anything going thrugh COM6 and make it look like COM3 for example, > aparently > the Wintel terminal software could care less as it works with no problem. > I'd just like to go minimum system here, no fancy port mapping nor awkward > looking DOS boxes. Installing a mildly fledged BBS in Windows would defeat > the principle of simplicity, I searched around and short of a BBS I didn't > see anything like PCPlus mini host... > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 > 16:14:00 > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 12 22:23:00 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 02:23:00 GMT Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure Message-ID: <200905122223299.SM03628@[208.76.35.239]> >-----Original Message----- >From: Steven Hirsch snhirsch at gmail.com >Sent 5/12/2009 9:35:59 PM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure > >On Tue, 12 May 2009, Chad H wrote: > > Well, they've went and done it. They are saying I can't host my daughters > photos or important files I need to keep offline or anything else that makes > it worth keeping. I am therefore discontinuing the hosting service. It was > scheduled to renew May 22, but now will not. I expect the site to be gone > then or shortly thereafter. I will reactive the access to the upload FTP > for those that might want to grab any files from there while they still > exist. From the notice they sent me, it looks like they are going to delete > them themselves if I don't. Sorry I couldn't do more :( > >Can someone please mirror this before it disappears? > > I used wget to mirror it. I remember the discussion about going easy on it, so I limited it to about 1GB/day (except no downloading on weekends), and of course, I obliged. Of course, with wget, I used the mirror option, and it won't download what hasn't changed. Only exception was today, where I walked away by accident, and it downloaded just over 2GB. Tony From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 12 22:24:54 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 02:24:54 GMT Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app Message-ID: <200905122224987.SM03628@[208.76.35.239]> Didn't all those 80's DOS comm programs have a MiniHost? Might want to check Telix and the rest... Tony -----Original Message----- From: Tom Seagrove tjseagrove at writeme.com Sent 5/12/2009 9:53:27 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] Mini Host app Can't you go into the device settings and change the COM port? Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Rogelio Perea Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:22 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app Have my CoCo setup connected over a serial port to a WinXP box (Roger Taylor's Wireless pak), with Mickey Term 4.7 at the CoCo and Hyperterminal at Windoze. File transfers work ok but it is a rather tedious operation when more than a couple files are involved. Eons ago I used Datastorm Technologies ProComm Plus on a DOS box to do precisely the same (before the porting utilities and other nice goodies we have today). I installed the shareware version of ProComm Plus to play test its MiniHost mode: a barebones BBS environment that allows for user end attended operation of a file transfer excercise - my problem is that ProComm Plus does not go beyond COM4... and the bluetooth port is set to COM6. I know there are other less involved options nowadays to port files back and forth between a CoCo and a Wintel rig, so this is more of an excercise for the fun of it. Anyone knows about a similar program like PCPlus and its mini-host mode that would do natively under WIndows?. I had to install a port mapper to siphon anything going thrugh COM6 and make it look like COM3 for example, aparently the Wintel terminal software could care less as it works with no problem. I'd just like to go minimum system here, no fancy port mapping nor awkward looking DOS boxes. Installing a mildly fledged BBS in Windows would defeat the principle of simplicity, I searched around and short of a BBS I didn't see anything like PCPlus mini host... -=[ Rogelio ]=- -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Tue May 12 22:27:49 2009 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure In-Reply-To: <007701c9d361$11dec3b0$359c4b10$@com> References: <007701c9d361$11dec3b0$359c4b10$@com> Message-ID: <3kak05pd22t9p4d3hsuhqslcgpgv52dsoh@4ax.com> www.1and1.com doesn't have that kind of restriction, at least I can't find it in their FAQs. I've been using mine for backup, like using favoritesync for my bookmarks. I use the Linux Home package. Stephen On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:23:42 -0500, "Chad H" had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >Well, they've went and done it. They are saying I can't host my daughters >photos or important files I need to keep offline or anything else that makes >it worth keeping. I am therefore discontinuing the hosting service. It was >scheduled to renew May 22, but now will not. I expect the site to be gone >then or shortly thereafter. I will reactive the access to the upload FTP >for those that might want to grab any files from there while they still >exist. From the notice they sent me, it looks like they are going to delete >them themselves if I don't. Sorry I couldn't do more :( > -- Stephen I can read your mind, and you should be ashamed of yourself. From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 12 22:39:43 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 02:39:43 GMT Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app Message-ID: <200905122239346.SM05760@[208.76.35.239]> Have you tried hunting down Procomm Plus for WIndows? I think it also had the mini host mode... try vetusware or the other abandonware sites... Tony -----Original Message----- From: Rogelio Perea os9dude at gmail.com Sent 5/12/2009 10:19:51 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] Mini Host app System won't allow... 'twas one of the first things I went to look at... On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Tom Seagrove tjseagrove at writeme.comwrote: Can't you go into the device settings and change the COM port? Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Rogelio Perea Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:22 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app Have my CoCo setup connected over a serial port to a WinXP box (Roger Taylor's Wireless pak), with Mickey Term 4.7 at the CoCo and Hyperterminal at Windoze. File transfers work ok but it is a rather tedious operation when more than a couple files are involved. Eons ago I used Datastorm Technologies ProComm Plus on a DOS box to do precisely the same (before the porting utilities and other nice goodies we have today). I installed the shareware version of ProComm Plus to play test its MiniHost mode: a barebones BBS environment that allows for user end attended operation of a file transfer excercise - my problem is that ProComm Plus does not go beyond COM4... and the bluetooth port is set to COM6. I know there are other less involved options nowadays to port files back and forth between a CoCo and a Wintel rig, so this is more of an excercise for the fun of it. Anyone knows about a similar program like PCPlus and its mini-host mode that would do natively under WIndows?. I had to install a port mapper to siphon anything going thrugh COM6 and make it look like COM3 for example, aparently the Wintel terminal software could care less as it works with no problem. I'd just like to go minimum system here, no fancy port mapping nor awkward looking DOS boxes. Installing a mildly fledged BBS in Windows would defeat the principle of simplicity, I searched around and short of a BBS I didn't see anything like PCPlus mini host... -=[ Rogelio ]=- -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Tue May 12 22:44:37 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure Message-ID: <643048.41264.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Boils down to blanket coverage, don't want to call clients pirates, so deny anything not directly website (w/o downloads) related. They're using a "CYA" approach to making sure pirated materials are not on their servers using their (well, what you've paid for) bandwidth. -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Chad H wrote: > From: Chad H > Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure > To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:23 PM > If you are using your Web hosting account as a repository > for > > storing music, movies, videos or pictures of any kind, your > > > account is in violation of our Terms of Service. Please > > understand that we're not making any statement as to the > > legality of the files; this type of file storage is simply > not > > what our hosting accounts are intended for. From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Tue May 12 22:53:14 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app Message-ID: <577286.84948.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If not, do a search on the web, seems most of the old BBS software is available... *nix, OS/2, CP/M, DOS TRS80 Mod 3, CoCo... etc. Unfortunately NOT all is available... Oh yeah, Some of the software includes SOURCE code too. -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. --- On Tue, 5/12/09, tonym wrote: > From: tonym > Subject: Re: [Coco] Mini Host app > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:24 PM > Didn't all those 80's DOS comm > programs have a MiniHost? > Might want to check Telix and the rest... > > > Tony From tonym at compusource.net Tue May 12 23:43:06 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 03:43:06 GMT Subject: [Coco] Dragons Message-ID: <200905122343190.SM03628@[208.76.35.239]> How similar/disimlar (sp?) are the Dragon64 and the Tano Dragon? Should the Dragon64 OS-9 boot up on the Tano Dragon? I found some disk images online, but am having trouble even writing them out, I think. they are in .VDK format - should DSKINI be able to handle these? SS/DD 40T. Tony From mechacoco at gmail.com Wed May 13 00:13:49 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:13:49 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Dragons In-Reply-To: <200905122343190.SM03628@208.76.35.239> References: <200905122343190.SM03628@208.76.35.239> Message-ID: <5d802cd0905122113r11e383fex8db8288dab09cb41@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/09, tonym wrote: > How similar/disimlar (sp?) are the Dragon64 and the Tano Dragon? > > Should the Dragon64 OS-9 boot up on the Tano Dragon? > > I found some disk images online, but am having trouble even writing them > out, I think. > they are in .VDK format - should DSKINI be able to handle these? SS/DD 40T. > The Tano Dragon is a Dragon64 with NTSC video. I would imagine that the floppy driver in the Dragon version of OS-9 expects a Dragon disk controller. Are you using a Tandy controller? If so then I think you will need a non-standard version that contains a boot loader and RBF driver targeting the Tandy 17x3 style controllers. Darren From badfrog at gmail.com Wed May 13 00:21:44 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:44 -0500 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure In-Reply-To: <643048.41264.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <643048.41264.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0905122121n7b622babx2267029b7d810a7@mail.gmail.com> Wow, and that was quite the impressive archive you've built up! I could probably be sneaky and host it at work, since I assume the traffic would be low. (I'm basically the whole IT department, and we have a good upload speed) But I would need to download everything, which probably wouldn't help your cause. What's the total space of it? On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bill Barnes wrote: > > Boils down to blanket coverage, don't want to call clients pirates, so deny anything not directly website (w/o downloads) related. They're using a "CYA" approach to making sure pirated materials are not on their servers using their (well, what you've paid for) bandwidth. > > -Later! ??-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. > > > --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Chad H wrote: > >> From: Chad H >> Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure >> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" >> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:23 PM >> If you are using your Web hosting account as a repository >> for >> >> storing music, movies, videos or pictures of any kind, your >> >> >> account is in violation of our Terms of Service. Please >> >> understand that we're not making any statement as to the >> >> legality of the files; this type of file storage is simply >> not >> >> what our hosting accounts are intended for. > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tonym at compusource.net Wed May 13 00:31:43 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 04:31:43 GMT Subject: [Coco] Dragons Message-ID: <200905130031502.SM04780@[208.76.35.239]> >-----Original Message----- >From: Darren A mechacoco at gmail.com >Sent 5/13/2009 12:13:49 AM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: Re: [Coco] Dragons > >On 5/12/09, tonym tonym at compusource.net wrote: > How similar/disimlar (sp?) are the Dragon64 and the Tano Dragon? > > Should the Dragon64 OS-9 boot up on the Tano Dragon? > > I found some disk images online, but am having trouble even writing them > out, I think. > they are in .VDK format - should DSKINI be able to handle these? SS/DD 40T. > > > >The Tano Dragon is a Dragon64 with NTSC video. > >I would imagine that the floppy driver in the Dragon version of OS-9 >expects a Dragon disk controller. Are you using a Tandy controller? >If so then I think you will need a non-standard version that contains >a boot loader and RBF driver targeting the Tandy 17x3 style >controllers. > > Yep - using that SuperDOS E6 you sent me, in an HDS (1773-based) FDC. Guess that would do it...although, even Basic disks aren't readable. Even a simple DIR fails. It'll format a new disk, though. Cool how that SuperDOS even had built-in support for DS/DD 80T drives! A simple DSKINIT 0,2,40 for example, formatted drive0, 2 sides, 40tracks, 360-some-odd KB! T From cappy2112 at gmail.com Wed May 13 00:44:56 2009 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Gimmie Soft Max Sound Message-ID: <8249c4ac0905122144u478336bcn3ca7fa77bef2c17a@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to remember what this program did. Is this a sound file editor or a Synthesizer - like Synther 7 and Synther 77? From mechacoco at gmail.com Wed May 13 00:48:08 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:48:08 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Dragons In-Reply-To: <200905130031502.SM04780@208.76.35.239> References: <200905130031502.SM04780@208.76.35.239> Message-ID: <5d802cd0905122148h61ee669drba9ddf03f8c7bed5@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/09, tonym wrote: > Yep - using that SuperDOS E6 you sent me, in an HDS (1773-based) FDC. > > Guess that would do it...although, even Basic disks aren't readable. > Even a simple DIR fails. It'll format a new disk, though. > > Cool how that SuperDOS even had built-in support for DS/DD 80T drives! > A simple DSKINIT 0,2,40 for example, formatted drive0, 2 sides, 40tracks, > 360-some-odd KB! > The DragonDOS / SuperDOS file system is not compatible with CoCo Disk Basic. CoCo disks have a directory on track 17, SuperDOS uses track 20 and a different format. CoCo disks use a granule allocation scheme (9 sectors per gran) while SuperDos can allocate single sectors. The BASIC disk commands are also very different between the two systems. SuperDOS was not written by Microsoft and does not extend Color Basic's device architecture like in the CoCo (you do not use the OPEN command to access data files on disk). Darren From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed May 13 00:51:43 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:51:43 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Dynaform and Dynaspell from Dynasoft References: <20090512221996.SM03628@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <27A1DF1527A8435E92A949C75F73D289@master> Actually, that version of DynaSpell on excalibur, while written by Dale Puckett, is the OWL-Ware one. The one I'm looking for is the original one as sold by Frank Hogg Laboratories. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tonym" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Dynaform and Dynaspell from Dynasoft > If you hurry, DynaSpell is here: > > http://excalibur1.net/coco/CoCo%20Softwares/DSK%20images/Applications/DynaSpell/ > > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Devries devries.bob at gmail.com > Sent 5/12/2009 8:22:19 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Dynaform and Dynaspell from Dynasoft > > Hi gang, > > Does anyone here have the original disks of the DynaForm and DynaSpell > programmes? > > DynaForm was written by Allan G. Jost of Dynasoft Systems, and DynaSpell > was > from Dale L. Pucket. Both were used together with the DynaStar word > processor to make a WordStar like word processing system for OS9 level 1. > > The documents seem to be out there, although they are huge size ( 10MB > each), and I have a disk with the files, but I no longer have the > originals. > I'd like to get them if possible, or at least a tree output of their > directory structures so I can reconstruct the disks with what I have for > archival purposes. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tjseagrove at writeme.com Wed May 13 01:02:00 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:02:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Gimmie Soft Max Sound In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0905122144u478336bcn3ca7fa77bef2c17a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0905122144u478336bcn3ca7fa77bef2c17a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006701c9d387$f36ad3c0$da407b40$@com> Sound editor...I still have my cable I got from them in Chicago 1988. Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cappellini Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:45 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] Gimmie Soft Max Sound I'm trying to remember what this program did. Is this a sound file editor or a Synthesizer - like Synther 7 and Synther 77? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 16:14:00 From tonym at compusource.net Wed May 13 02:01:45 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:01:45 GMT Subject: [Coco] Dragons Message-ID: <200905130201190.SM04780@[208.76.35.239]> >-----Original Message----- >From: Darren A mechacoco at gmail.com >Sent 5/13/2009 12:48:08 AM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: Re: [Coco] Dragons > >On 5/12/09, tonym wrote: > Yep - using that SuperDOS E6 you sent me, in an HDS (1773-based) FDC. > > Guess that would do it...although, even Basic disks aren't readable. > Even a simple DIR fails. It'll format a new disk, though. > > Cool how that SuperDOS even had built-in support for DS/DD 80T drives! > A simple DSKINIT 0,2,40 for example, formatted drive0, 2 sides, 40tracks, > 360-some-odd KB! > > >The DragonDOS / SuperDOS file system is not compatible with CoCo Disk >Basic. CoCo disks have a directory on track 17, SuperDOS uses track >20 and a different format. CoCo disks use a granule allocation scheme >(9 sectors per gran) while SuperDos can allocate single sectors. > >The BASIC disk commands are also very different between the two >systems. SuperDOS was not written by Microsoft and does not extend >Color Basic's device architecture like in the CoCo (you do not use the >OPEN command to access data files on disk). > > I meant that I couldn't read disks for the Dragon, not CoCo disks - wouldn't even THINK of doing that :) I don't know if my issue is that DSKINI.EXE can't write the Dragon .VDK's properly, or what :) I'm trying to get .VDK dragon images onto real media. I assume with just standard DragonDos stuff, I'd have no issues, right? I can understand what you stated about the OS9 disks... Tony From mechacoco at gmail.com Wed May 13 02:40:09 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:40:09 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Dragons In-Reply-To: <200905130201190.SM04780@208.76.35.239> References: <200905130201190.SM04780@208.76.35.239> Message-ID: <5d802cd0905122340y7136aaa1g98d76c8e91d9b87c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/09, tonym wrote: > > I meant that I couldn't read disks for the Dragon, not CoCo disks - wouldn't > even THINK of doing that :) > I don't know if my issue is that DSKINI.EXE can't write the Dragon .VDK's > properly, or what :) > > I'm trying to get .VDK dragon images onto real media. > I assume with just standard DragonDos stuff, I'd have no issues, right? > > I can understand what you stated about the OS9 disks... > According to documentation in the MESS source code (coco_dsk.c) VDK files have a 12 byte header preceding the sector data. I would guess that DSKINI.EXE does not recognize this header and that everything is being offset by 12 bytes. Darren From cdiman7 at flash.net Wed May 13 06:55:38 2009 From: cdiman7 at flash.net (Karl Sefcik) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 05:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> <4A09B786.6060401@flash.net> Message-ID: <4A0AA72A.6050205@flash.net> Steve, No I haven't, and that was years ago. Now I remember that the cassette recorder I bought at Radio Shack in my college years was forever out of adjustment, and I just thought that was the way it was to be (I didn't know about troubleshooting it then). \ So, with my data recorder being from the SHACK, you may be right, that my once-the-only-game-in-town RS data recorder may be out of spec. Karl Steven Hirsch wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2009, Karl Sefcik wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> Check this out, I think there is a difference. Take a normal >> pre-recorded tape of Christmas music or something else that you bought >> for use in your car (a few years ago), and play it in the >> TRS80-cassette deck. It will play faster, like chipmunk music, that's >> what I based my conclusion on for the faster tape speed. > > Have you verified that on more than one unit? Sounds more like a unit > with the speed adjustment off. The mechanism is a standard audio > cassette drive and those run at 1-7/8 ips. > > Steve > > > From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Wed May 13 06:58:21 2009 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:58:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <200905122224987.SM03628@208.76.35.239> References: <200905122224987.SM03628@208.76.35.239> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0905130358n4d4823e4v4d3e6f51fd1dc75f@mail.gmail.com> Telix also has a Windows version, and I believe all the SALT scripts for the DOS version, including several nice host scripts, will work under the Windows version as well. And I *think* you could set it to use beyond COM4. -- Rod Barnhart On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:24 PM, tonym wrote: > Didn't all those 80's DOS comm programs have a MiniHost? > Might want to check Telix and the rest... > > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Seagrove tjseagrove at writeme.com > Sent 5/12/2009 9:53:27 PM > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] Mini Host app > > Can't you go into the device settings and change the COM port? > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On > Behalf Of Rogelio Perea > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:22 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app > > Have my CoCo setup connected over a serial port to a WinXP box (Roger > Taylor's Wireless pak), with Mickey Term 4.7 at the CoCo and Hyperterminal > at Windoze. File transfers work ok but it is a rather tedious operation when > more than a couple files are involved. > > Eons ago I used Datastorm Technologies ProComm Plus on a DOS box to do > precisely the same (before the porting utilities and other nice goodies we > have today). I installed the shareware version of ProComm Plus to play test > its MiniHost mode: a barebones BBS environment that allows for user end > attended operation of a file transfer excercise - my problem is that ProComm > Plus does not go beyond COM4... and the bluetooth port is set to COM6. > > I know there are other less involved options nowadays to port files back and > forth between a CoCo and a Wintel rig, so this is more of an excercise for > the fun of it. > > Anyone knows about a similar program like PCPlus and its mini-host mode that > would do natively under WIndows?. I had to install a port mapper to siphon > anything going thrugh COM6 and make it look like COM3 for example, aparently > the Wintel terminal software could care less as it works with no problem. > I'd just like to go minimum system here, no fancy port mapping nor awkward > looking DOS boxes. Installing a mildly fledged BBS in Windows would defeat > the principle of simplicity, I searched around and short of a BBS I didn't > see anything like PCPlus mini host... > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/11/09 > 16:14:00 > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From os9dude at gmail.com Wed May 13 07:47:55 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:47:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0905130358n4d4823e4v4d3e6f51fd1dc75f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905122224987.SM03628@208.76.35.239> <6cd9b02e0905130358n4d4823e4v4d3e6f51fd1dc75f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5631e580905130447q9eaa477s7854578e029ece7e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for pointing at Telix... I just tested it in my office WinXP and ran just fine, does go beyond COM4. Now I just need to test it at home later on. It's mini host seems more robust than the one the DOS version of ProComm Plus came with, it's scripted so it is easy to go in under the hood and do some custom stuff in there if so inclined. As a side note, ProComm Plus ended up being bought by Symantec, and not too long ago it was dropped from their product list. From what I read on Symantec's site, there were some unresolved XP compatibility issues left as-is. not much in there about features and capabilities of the software in regards of a host mode. Back in the 80s, we had an MSDOS computer at work with which we could access CompuServe and other networks - started off with a 2400 modem and in the decade's later years a screaming fast Hayes 9600 showed up - I would stay up late doing 'homework' while browsing the CoCo libraries at the CoCo SIG, download whatever came my way and then leave the office setting ProComm plus into its MiniHost mode; got home, fired up the CoCo and then called the office (local call, no LD nor international dialing as I was living in M?xico then). Very cost effective for my student finances :-) -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Rod Barnhart wrote: > Telix also has a Windows version, and I believe all the SALT scripts > for the DOS version, including several nice host scripts, will work > under the Windows version as well. And I *think* you could set it to > use beyond COM4. > > -- > Rod Barnhart > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:24 PM, tonym wrote: > > Didn't all those 80's DOS comm programs have a MiniHost? > > Might want to check Telix and the rest... > > > > > > Tony > From snhirsch at gmail.com Wed May 13 07:55:12 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure In-Reply-To: <200905122223299.SM03628@[208.76.35.239]> References: <200905122223299.SM03628@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 May 2009, tonym wrote: >> Can someone please mirror this before it disappears? > I used wget to mirror it. I had absolutely no luck with wget. It was a few months ago, but IIRC it went into an endless loop at some point and I killed it. I would love to get a DVD of that image at some point and would be glad to pay for the time, trouble and postage. Or, can you host it somewhere yourself? Steve -- From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed May 13 08:30:48 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure In-Reply-To: References: <200905122223299.SM03628@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <032c01c9d3c6$aa436a60$feca3f20$@rr.com> I have nearly everything from the Excalibur site. I'll go through what I have and see what I'm missing. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:55 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure > > On Wed, 13 May 2009, tonym wrote: > > >> Can someone please mirror this before it disappears? > > > I used wget to mirror it. > > I had absolutely no luck with wget. It was a few months ago, but IIRC > it > went into an endless loop at some point and I killed it. > > I would love to get a DVD of that image at some point and would be glad > to > pay for the time, trouble and postage. Or, can you host it somewhere > yourself? > From vchester at setec-cr.com Wed May 13 10:27:44 2009 From: vchester at setec-cr.com (Chester A Patterson) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:27:44 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <577286.84948.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E01552EF5@setec-server.SETEC.COM> All manner of old ("abandonware") PC/DOS software can be found at www.vetusware.com /Chester Costa Rica From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Wed May 13 11:35:35 2009 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:35:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <5631e580905130447q9eaa477s7854578e029ece7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905122224987.SM03628@208.76.35.239> <6cd9b02e0905130358n4d4823e4v4d3e6f51fd1dc75f@mail.gmail.com> <5631e580905130447q9eaa477s7854578e029ece7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0905130835l40efe54dy648a9d8c163983d9@mail.gmail.com> I remember back in the late 80s or early 90s, I was using ProComm Plus but had all sorts of problems with data transfers. One of the local Wildcat sysops turned me onto Telix, and I used it pretty much from then until I quit actually dialing out via my PC. I even found a 3rd-party SALT script that was a nearly full-featured BBS package (IIRC, there was no Fido support) called Host4 that I set up for some of the local sysops to use. -- Rod Barnhart On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > Thanks for pointing at Telix... I just tested it in my office WinXP and ran > just fine, does go beyond COM4. Now I just need to test it at home later on. > It's mini host seems more robust than the one the DOS version of ProComm > Plus came with, it's scripted so it is easy to go in under the hood and do > some custom stuff in there if so inclined. > > As a side note, ProComm Plus ended up being bought by Symantec, and not too > long ago it was dropped from their product list. From what I read on > Symantec's site, there were some unresolved XP compatibility issues left > as-is. not much in there about features and capabilities of the software in > regards of a host mode. > > Back in the 80s, we had an MSDOS computer at work with which we could access > CompuServe and other networks - started off with a 2400 modem and in the > decade's later years a screaming fast Hayes 9600 showed up - I would stay up > late doing 'homework' while browsing the CoCo libraries at the CoCo SIG, > download whatever came my way and then leave the office setting ProComm plus > into its MiniHost mode; got home, fired up the CoCo and then called the > office (local call, no LD nor international dialing as I was living in > M?xico then). Very cost effective for my student finances :-) > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Rod Barnhart wrote: > >> Telix also has a Windows version, and I believe all the SALT scripts >> for the DOS version, including several nice host scripts, will work >> under the Windows version as well. And I *think* you could set it to >> use beyond COM4. >> >> -- >> Rod Barnhart >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:24 PM, tonym wrote: >> > Didn't all those 80's DOS comm programs have a MiniHost? >> > Might want to check Telix and the rest... >> > >> > >> > Tony >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From os9dude at gmail.com Wed May 13 11:41:33 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:41:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E01552EF5@setec-server.SETEC.COM> References: <577286.84948.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E01552EF5@setec-server.SETEC.COM> Message-ID: <5631e580905130841p68670670rcddb5e97bb3da1c9@mail.gmail.com> Saw that site come up in my searches... but domain is blocked at the office, what's the worry? I just can't figure it out (rrrrright). Will try at home later on :-) -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Chester A Patterson wrote: > > All manner of old ("abandonware") PC/DOS software can be found at > www.vetusware.com > > /Chester > Costa Rica > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From os9dude at gmail.com Wed May 13 11:47:11 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:47:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0905130835l40efe54dy648a9d8c163983d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905122224987.SM03628@208.76.35.239> <6cd9b02e0905130358n4d4823e4v4d3e6f51fd1dc75f@mail.gmail.com> <5631e580905130447q9eaa477s7854578e029ece7e@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0905130835l40efe54dy648a9d8c163983d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5631e580905130847u41a03d20r6cff35156f12a995@mail.gmail.com> Interesting. I never had a problem downloading/uploading stuff over the ProComm Plus mini-host when using the CoCo 3 and an external 2400 modem on the bitbagner (Ken Johnston's Ultimaterm 4.1 IIRC), but... same general setup but on a direct connect null modem cable end-to-end-same-room it would give a couple of retries due to bad CRC reports... same thing now with the bluetooth pak on the CoCo 1 (MickeyTerm 4.7)... I just ignore those first tense moments waiting for the transfer to initiate properly ;-) --=[ Rogelio ]=- On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rod Barnhart wrote: > I remember back in the late 80s or early 90s, I was using ProComm Plus > but had all sorts of problems with data transfers. One of the local > Wildcat sysops turned me onto Telix, and I used it pretty much from > then until I quit actually dialing out via my PC. I even found a > 3rd-party SALT script that was a nearly full-featured BBS package > (IIRC, there was no Fido support) called Host4 that I set up for some > of the local sysops to use. > > -- > Rod Barnhart > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > > Thanks for pointing at Telix... I just tested it in my office WinXP and > ran > > just fine, does go beyond COM4. Now I just need to test it at home later > on. > > It's mini host seems more robust than the one the DOS version of ProComm > > Plus came with, it's scripted so it is easy to go in under the hood and > do > > some custom stuff in there if so inclined. > > > > As a side note, ProComm Plus ended up being bought by Symantec, and not > too > > long ago it was dropped from their product list. From what I read on > > Symantec's site, there were some unresolved XP compatibility issues left > > as-is. not much in there about features and capabilities of the software > in > > regards of a host mode. > > > > Back in the 80s, we had an MSDOS computer at work with which we could > access > > CompuServe and other networks - started off with a 2400 modem and in the > > decade's later years a screaming fast Hayes 9600 showed up - I would stay > up > > late doing 'homework' while browsing the CoCo libraries at the CoCo SIG, > > download whatever came my way and then leave the office setting ProComm > plus > > into its MiniHost mode; got home, fired up the CoCo and then called the > > office (local call, no LD nor international dialing as I was living in > > M?xico then). Very cost effective for my student finances :-) > From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Wed May 13 13:55:47 2009 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:55:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Mini Host app In-Reply-To: <5631e580905130847u41a03d20r6cff35156f12a995@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905122224987.SM03628@208.76.35.239> <6cd9b02e0905130358n4d4823e4v4d3e6f51fd1dc75f@mail.gmail.com> <5631e580905130447q9eaa477s7854578e029ece7e@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0905130835l40efe54dy648a9d8c163983d9@mail.gmail.com> <5631e580905130847u41a03d20r6cff35156f12a995@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0905131055h3e53ca4bs6eb667be0c3f401d@mail.gmail.com> It may have been a lazy sysop who had misconfigure his external protocols ;) I know that the problem went away when I switched to Telix, though. On 5/13/09, Rogelio Perea wrote: > Interesting. I never had a problem downloading/uploading stuff over the > ProComm Plus mini-host when using the CoCo 3 and an external 2400 modem on > the bitbagner (Ken Johnston's Ultimaterm 4.1 IIRC), but... same general > setup but on a direct connect null modem cable end-to-end-same-room it would > give a couple of retries due to bad CRC reports... same thing now with the > bluetooth pak on the CoCo 1 (MickeyTerm 4.7)... I just ignore those first > tense moments waiting for the transfer to initiate properly ;-) > > > > --=[ Rogelio ]=- > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rod Barnhart > wrote: > >> I remember back in the late 80s or early 90s, I was using ProComm Plus >> but had all sorts of problems with data transfers. One of the local >> Wildcat sysops turned me onto Telix, and I used it pretty much from >> then until I quit actually dialing out via my PC. I even found a >> 3rd-party SALT script that was a nearly full-featured BBS package >> (IIRC, there was no Fido support) called Host4 that I set up for some >> of the local sysops to use. >> >> -- >> Rod Barnhart >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: >> > Thanks for pointing at Telix... I just tested it in my office WinXP and >> ran >> > just fine, does go beyond COM4. Now I just need to test it at home later >> on. >> > It's mini host seems more robust than the one the DOS version of ProComm >> > Plus came with, it's scripted so it is easy to go in under the hood and >> do >> > some custom stuff in there if so inclined. >> > >> > As a side note, ProComm Plus ended up being bought by Symantec, and not >> too >> > long ago it was dropped from their product list. From what I read on >> > Symantec's site, there were some unresolved XP compatibility issues left >> > as-is. not much in there about features and capabilities of the software >> in >> > regards of a host mode. >> > >> > Back in the 80s, we had an MSDOS computer at work with which we could >> access >> > CompuServe and other networks - started off with a 2400 modem and in the >> > decade's later years a screaming fast Hayes 9600 showed up - I would >> > stay >> up >> > late doing 'homework' while browsing the CoCo libraries at the CoCo SIG, >> > download whatever came my way and then leave the office setting ProComm >> plus >> > into its MiniHost mode; got home, fired up the CoCo and then called the >> > office (local call, no LD nor international dialing as I was living in >> > M?xico then). Very cost effective for my student finances :-) >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- -- Rod Barnhart From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Wed May 13 14:33:29 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:33:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0905122121n7b622babx2267029b7d810a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <643048.41264.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9efa17da0905122121n7b622babx2267029b7d810a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 Gigs of files for the CoCo sections. - Chad -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Sean Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:22 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure Wow, and that was quite the impressive archive you've built up! I could probably be sneaky and host it at work, since I assume the traffic would be low. (I'm basically the whole IT department, and we have a good upload speed) But I would need to download everything, which probably wouldn't help your cause. What's the total space of it? On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bill Barnes wrote: > > Boils down to blanket coverage, don't want to call clients pirates, so deny anything not directly website (w/o downloads) related. They're using a "CYA" approach to making sure pirated materials are not on their servers using their (well, what you've paid for) bandwidth. > > -Later! ??-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. > > > --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Chad H wrote: > >> From: Chad H >> Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure >> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" >> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:23 PM >> If you are using your Web hosting account as a repository >> for >> >> storing music, movies, videos or pictures of any kind, your >> >> >> account is in violation of our Terms of Service. Please >> >> understand that we're not making any statement as to the >> >> legality of the files; this type of file storage is simply >> not >> >> what our hosting accounts are intended for. > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tjseagrove at writeme.com Wed May 13 15:02:04 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:02:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure In-Reply-To: References: <643048.41264.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9efa17da0905122121n7b622babx2267029b7d810a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <014101c9d3fd$4e709f00$eb51dd00$@com> 34 gig is Rainbows? :) -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chad H Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:33 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure Somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 Gigs of files for the CoCo sections. - Chad -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Sean Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:22 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure Wow, and that was quite the impressive archive you've built up! I could probably be sneaky and host it at work, since I assume the traffic would be low. (I'm basically the whole IT department, and we have a good upload speed) But I would need to download everything, which probably wouldn't help your cause. What's the total space of it? On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bill Barnes wrote: > > Boils down to blanket coverage, don't want to call clients pirates, so deny anything not directly website (w/o downloads) related. They're using a "CYA" approach to making sure pirated materials are not on their servers using their (well, what you've paid for) bandwidth. > > -Later! ??-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. > > > --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Chad H wrote: > >> From: Chad H >> Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure >> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" >> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:23 PM >> If you are using your Web hosting account as a repository >> for >> >> storing music, movies, videos or pictures of any kind, your >> >> >> account is in violation of our Terms of Service. Please >> >> understand that we're not making any statement as to the >> >> legality of the files; this type of file storage is simply >> not >> >> what our hosting accounts are intended for. > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/13/09 07:04:00 From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Wed May 13 15:35:53 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure In-Reply-To: <014101c9d3fd$4e709f00$eb51dd00$@com> References: <643048.41264.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9efa17da0905122121n7b622babx2267029b7d810a7@mail.gmail.com> <014101c9d3fd$4e709f00$eb51dd00$@com> Message-ID: No, that is for the entire CoCo sections. However, it is likely that the rainbows are a majority of that space as they are the largest files. There are other .PDF docs, but don't think they are that many or that large. The other file are small disk images and such. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tom Seagrove Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:02 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure 34 gig is Rainbows? :) -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chad H Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:33 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure Somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 Gigs of files for the CoCo sections. - Chad -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Sean Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:22 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure Wow, and that was quite the impressive archive you've built up! I could probably be sneaky and host it at work, since I assume the traffic would be low. (I'm basically the whole IT department, and we have a good upload speed) But I would need to download everything, which probably wouldn't help your cause. What's the total space of it? On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bill Barnes wrote: > > Boils down to blanket coverage, don't want to call clients pirates, so deny anything not directly website (w/o downloads) related. They're using a "CYA" approach to making sure pirated materials are not on their servers using their (well, what you've paid for) bandwidth. > > -Later! ??-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. > > > --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Chad H wrote: > >> From: Chad H >> Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net closure >> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" >> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:23 PM >> If you are using your Web hosting account as a repository >> for >> >> storing music, movies, videos or pictures of any kind, your >> >> >> account is in violation of our Terms of Service. Please >> >> understand that we're not making any statement as to the >> >> legality of the files; this type of file storage is simply >> not >> >> what our hosting accounts are intended for. > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.25/2109 - Release Date: 05/13/09 07:04:00 -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed May 13 20:33:47 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:33:47 +1000 Subject: [Coco] various versions of DynaStar, DynaForm and Spell Message-ID: <7268A1A399704753B101B435B3F03AB8@master> It would appear that there are a few different versions of these programmes. Here's what I have currently: My version (file dates 1989/06/28) Header for: DS Module size: $3902 #14594 Module CRC: $14B8AE (Good) Hdr parity: $0D Exec. off: $000D #13 Data Size: $2000 #8192 Edition: $1E #30 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O Header for: Df Module size: $2C8C #11404 Module CRC: $88B7C3 (Good) Hdr parity: $2E Exec. off: $000D #13 Data Size: $333D #13117 Edition: $88 #136 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O Header for: SPELL Module size: $25EE #9710 Module CRC: $39680F (Good) Hdr parity: $E3 Exec. off: $0DCF #3535 Data Size: $4BDC #19420 Edition: $2F #47 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O Robert Gault's Version (a mixture of 1987, 1990 and 1992) Header for: ds Module size: $7C45 #31813 Module CRC: $D49A87 (Good) Hdr parity: $11 Exec. off: $0019 #25 Data Size: $766D #30317 Edition: $01 #1 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O Header for: Df Module size: $2C8C #11404 Module CRC: $88B7C3 (Good) Hdr parity: $2E Exec. off: $000D #13 Data Size: $333D #13117 Edition: $88 #136 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O Header for: SPELL Module size: $259B #9627 Module CRC: $D13344 (Good) Hdr parity: $96 Exec. off: $0DB7 #3511 Data Size: $4BBC #19388 Edition: $2F #47 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O OWL-Ware SPELL (1985 and 1991 dates) Header for: Df Module size: $2C8C #11404 Module CRC: $88B7C3 (Good) Hdr parity: $2E Exec. off: $000D #13 Data Size: $333D #13117 Edition: $88 #136 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O Header for: SPELL Module size: $25EE #9710 Module CRC: $39680F (Good) Hdr parity: $E3 Exec. off: $0DCF #3535 Data Size: $4BDC #19420 Edition: $2F #47 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:58:40 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:58:40 +1000 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification Message-ID: Hi gang, I have in my hardware collection an FD502 (26-3133) controller that has an EPROM in it that has a label with RGB-DOS $0188DC on it. How can I identify what kind of hard drive this was used with? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ From brucewcalkins at charter.net Wed May 13 22:11:38 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:11:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification References: Message-ID: <7295E2B5B0D3489A89B3E3A7A197C51B@speedy> > Hi gang, > I have in my hardware collection an FD502 (26-3133) controller that has an > EPROM in it that has a label with RGB-DOS $0188DC on it. > > How can I identify what kind of hard drive this was used with? > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia The OS-9 offset sets the start of the disk basic disks 0 through 255. The space from the beginning of the disk to that offset is used for OS-9. Any space above disk 255 is normally inaccessible. There are work-a-rounds to using that higher space if it exists, but that is not yet your issue. Short answer; any drive the same size or larger should work, (It has for me) although I not sure about head and track issues. IIRC; they were only used for calculating the offset, and MFM drives did not use track and sector numbers at the computer OS level. Bruce W. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Wed May 13 22:17:26 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:17:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A0B7F36.2000504@worldnet.att.net> Bob Devries wrote: > Hi gang, > I have in my hardware collection an FD502 (26-3133) controller that has > an EPROM in it that has a label with RGB-DOS $0188DC on it. > > How can I identify what kind of hard drive this was used with? > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia The label is cryptic but the number just might be the size of the hard drive in sectors or the size of the OS-9 section in sectors. PEEK the bytes $D938 (MSB) and $D939 (LSB) to get (if present) the offset in 256 byte sectors to the start of the Disk Basic section of the hard drive. If the value is $00000000, then the drive was used only for OS-9. The only way to get more information on the type of drive used with this ROM will require disassembly of the code to see what command codes were used. That might suggest the type of drive in the system the ROM controlled. From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed May 13 22:31:56 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:31:56 +1000 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification References: <4A0B7F36.2000504@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <25D91DA6C0F44E0BB76447819AC326F9@master> hehe, my mistake.... I really meant to ask what type of *hard disk controller* it was for, but you're right, the number could be the disk size in sectors, and the type of controller could be found by disassembling the rom. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification > Bob Devries wrote: >> Hi gang, >> I have in my hardware collection an FD502 (26-3133) controller that has >> an EPROM in it that has a label with RGB-DOS $0188DC on it. >> >> How can I identify what kind of hard drive this was used with? >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > The label is cryptic but the number just might be the size of the hard > drive in sectors or the size of the OS-9 section in sectors. > > PEEK the bytes $D938 (MSB) and $D939 (LSB) to get (if present) the offset > in 256 byte sectors to the start of the Disk Basic section of the hard > drive. If the value is $00000000, then the drive was used only for OS-9. > > The only way to get more information on the type of drive used with this > ROM will require disassembly of the code to see what command codes were > used. That might suggest the type of drive in the system the ROM > controlled. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed May 13 22:36:47 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:36:47 +1000 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification References: <4A0B7F36.2000504@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: OK, looking at a dump of the ROM, location $1938 and $1939 (D938/9 when in the coco) give the same value... $0188DC Now to figure out the controller type. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification > Bob Devries wrote: >> Hi gang, >> I have in my hardware collection an FD502 (26-3133) controller that has >> an EPROM in it that has a label with RGB-DOS $0188DC on it. >> >> How can I identify what kind of hard drive this was used with? >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > The label is cryptic but the number just might be the size of the hard > drive in sectors or the size of the OS-9 section in sectors. > > PEEK the bytes $D938 (MSB) and $D939 (LSB) to get (if present) the offset > in 256 byte sectors to the start of the Disk Basic section of the hard > drive. If the value is $00000000, then the drive was used only for OS-9. > > The only way to get more information on the type of drive used with this > ROM will require disassembly of the code to see what command codes were > used. That might suggest the type of drive in the system the ROM > controlled. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed May 13 22:56:32 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification In-Reply-To: References: <4A0B7F36.2000504@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200905132256.32434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >OK, looking at a dump of the ROM, location $1938 and $1939 (D938/9 when in >the coco) give the same value... $0188DC > Mmmm, That is an integer you just looked at, where is the extra byte coming from? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) bureaucracy, n: A method for transforming energy into solid waste. From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed May 13 23:22:45 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:45 +1000 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification References: <4A0B7F36.2000504@worldnet.att.net> <200905132256.32434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <32CAAE61B5214F9A90AF7C7A91DA382E@master> Gene, you're right. The numbers $01 and $88 are in those locations. What fooled me was the the $DC is right there in the next byte. Must have some relation to the type of controller, I'd guess, but right now, I'm not sure what. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Heskett" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification > On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >>OK, looking at a dump of the ROM, location $1938 and $1939 (D938/9 when in >>the coco) give the same value... $0188DC >> > Mmmm, That is an integer you just looked at, where is the extra byte > coming > from? > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > bureaucracy, n: > A method for transforming energy into solid waste. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed May 13 23:35:56 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:35:56 +1000 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification References: <4A0B7F36.2000504@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <47A234F4B1C745EF880892E89DF67AA4@master> Actually, the bytes are allocated this way (Note to self... RTFM, ya goose!): $D938 is the MSB $D939/A are the LSB word So in this case the offset is $0188DC sectors. The next two bytes are $FF74, which I'm guessing is the memory address of the controller, which fits with what I know about the Ken-Ton controller. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification > Bob Devries wrote: >> Hi gang, >> I have in my hardware collection an FD502 (26-3133) controller that has >> an EPROM in it that has a label with RGB-DOS $0188DC on it. >> >> How can I identify what kind of hard drive this was used with? >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > The label is cryptic but the number just might be the size of the hard > drive in sectors or the size of the OS-9 section in sectors. > > PEEK the bytes $D938 (MSB) and $D939 (LSB) to get (if present) the offset > in 256 byte sectors to the start of the Disk Basic section of the hard > drive. If the value is $00000000, then the drive was used only for OS-9. > > The only way to get more information on the type of drive used with this > ROM will require disassembly of the code to see what command codes were > used. That might suggest the type of drive in the system the ROM > controlled. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu May 14 00:09:46 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification In-Reply-To: <32CAAE61B5214F9A90AF7C7A91DA382E@master> References: <200905132256.32434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32CAAE61B5214F9A90AF7C7A91DA382E@master> Message-ID: <200905140009.47017.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >Gene, >you're right. The numbers $01 and $88 are in those locations. What fooled me >was the the $DC is right there in the next byte. Must have some relation to >the type of controller, I'd guess, but right now, I'm not sure what. Either that, or it actually is a 3 byte offset, it is in my setup. Its also the same offset in my sh.dd, which allows me to access the rsdos images on my drive. I had not considered that $D?9A might be used as the other byte of a 16 bit integer. 98 is a byte, the MSByte of a 24 bit value, and 99/9A are the rest of it. Makes perfect sense now. >-- >Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > >Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >the capacity to be his spokesman, >so that I know how to help the weary. > >website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Heskett" >To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:56 PM >Subject: Re: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification > >> On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >>>OK, looking at a dump of the ROM, location $1938 and $1939 (D938/9 when in >>>the coco) give the same value... $0188DC >> >> Mmmm, That is an integer you just looked at, where is the extra byte >> coming >> from? >> >> -- >> Cheers, Gene >> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> bureaucracy, n: >> A method for transforming energy into solid waste. >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The coast was clear. -- Lope de Vega From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu May 14 00:11:45 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:11:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification In-Reply-To: <47A234F4B1C745EF880892E89DF67AA4@master> References: <4A0B7F36.2000504@worldnet.att.net> <47A234F4B1C745EF880892E89DF67AA4@master> Message-ID: <200905140011.45968.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >Actually, the bytes are allocated this way (Note to self... RTFM, ya >goose!): >$D938 is the MSB >$D939/A are the LSB word >So in this case the offset is $0188DC sectors. The next two bytes are $FF74, >which I'm guessing is the memory address of the controller, which fits with >what I know about the Ken-Ton controller. > I quoted the addresses from memory, and got it wrong, but now the lights are on for both of us. :) Sorry. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Jones' Second Law: The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu May 14 01:48:12 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:48:12 -0600 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Way around it? In-Reply-To: <4A09B786.6060401@flash.net> References: <4A0885C0.8080103@flash.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B228@fenestra.lamunet.local> <4A09B786.6060401@flash.net> Message-ID: <20090514054812.GA14661@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:53:10PM -0500, Karl Sefcik wrote: > Check this out, I think there is a difference. Take a normal > pre-recorded tape of Christmas music or something else that you bought > for use in your car (a few years ago), and play it in the TRS80-cassette > deck. It will play faster, like chipmunk music, that's what I based my > conclusion on for the faster tape speed. ....only if you have "fast forward" and "play" both pressed down. I used my CCR-81 for both my CoCo and for listening to audio tapes for years, until the belt broke. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu May 14 07:42:38 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:42:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RGB-DOS ROM identification In-Reply-To: <200905140009.47017.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200905132256.32434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <32CAAE61B5214F9A90AF7C7A91DA382E@master> <200905140009.47017.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A0C03AE.8000601@worldnet.att.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >> Gene, >> you're right. The numbers $01 and $88 are in those locations. What fooled me >> was the the $DC is right there in the next byte. Must have some relation to >> the type of controller, I'd guess, but right now, I'm not sure what. > > Either that, or it actually is a 3 byte offset, it is in my setup. Its also > the same offset in my sh.dd, which allows me to access the rsdos images on my > drive. I had not considered that $D?9A might be used as the other byte of a > 16 bit integer. 98 is a byte, the MSByte of a 24 bit value, and 99/9A are the > rest of it. Makes perfect sense now. > Exactly, I mis-spoke. The offset is at $D938 (msb) $D939 (lsw) with the offset being 3 bytes. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu May 14 09:06:07 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:06:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) Message-ID: <003901c9d494$c1be6ae0$453b40a0$@rr.com> Uploading Rainbow 1990 now to MaltedMedia.com ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sat May 16 00:47:22 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:47:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads Message-ID: <003201c9d5e1$709cec60$51d6c520$@rr.com> Finishing with 1989, starting with 1988 ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sat May 16 08:44:02 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:44:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer Message-ID: <4A0EB512.4040108@gmail.com> Hi Boisy, I don't know if anyone cares, but I'm testing out DriveWire 3 WinServer on my experimental Windows 7 Release Candidate machine and your software is running great. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional From boisy at tee-boy.com Sat May 16 09:06:14 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer In-Reply-To: <4A0EB512.4040108@gmail.com> References: <4A0EB512.4040108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Alan, Thanks for the feedback. I don't have Windows 7, but am glad to hear it's functioning. Keep me posted. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On May 16, 2009, at 7:44 AM, N8WQ wrote: > Hi Boisy, > I don't know if anyone cares, but I'm testing out DriveWire 3 > WinServer on my experimental Windows 7 Release Candidate machine and > your software is running great. > > O. Alan Jones > > -- > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sat May 16 16:09:25 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:09:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads In-Reply-To: <003201c9d5e1$709cec60$51d6c520$@rr.com> References: <003201c9d5e1$709cec60$51d6c520$@rr.com> Message-ID: <003c01c9d662$3f0c4e80$bd24eb80$@rr.com> Finishing with 1988, starting with 1987 (IF I can get logged on-too many users) From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sat May 16 16:22:05 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 WinServer In-Reply-To: References: <4A0EB512.4040108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01c9d664$0304f520$090edf60$@rr.com> I've got a question if you don't mind. I have a spare Coco2, and I'm trying to set it up to use a spare P200 (win 98) in my 'shop'. I tried using the "wizard.bas" program to set up a boot disk, but when I use the 'controller is coco 1/2', I have to use a coco1/57,200 on drivewire on the PC, and if I use coco3, the coco goes nuts and locks up. What do I do? Thanks From jasonb1963 at yahoo.com Sat May 16 23:44:38 2009 From: jasonb1963 at yahoo.com (jasonb1963) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 03:44:38 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > we need these issues Jul-Dec of 82, and Jan-May of 83. > > If anyone has them and does not feel up to the task of scanning them ,please email me off list & i can help out > > > this is all we have let to finish off the collection of Rainbows > Just wanted to compliment you on all the effort you've put into scanning and uploading Coco magazines. I noticed you are uploading the files in PDF format. This is great for people who want to reproduce the magazines on paper, but it is very inefficient if you just want to be able to view them on your screen. For that case, the DJVU format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djvu) results in files which are 10-25x smaller and look just as good on the screen as PDF documents. Given the bandwidth limits the excalibur server is subject to, it might be worthwhile to consider making them available in this format in lieu of or in addition to the PDF format. If no one else is interested, I'll convert some of them myself and upload them to excalibur, but certainly it would be more efficient if you did this as you already have all of the files yourself. There are lots of tools for converting DJVU to PDF, but only a few for going the other way. One is available from http://www.trustfm.net/GeneralTools/SoftwarePdfToDjvuGUI.php?b2=1. -- Jason From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 17 01:37:46 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 05:37:46 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "jasonb1963" wrote: > > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > > > we need these issues Jul-Dec of 82, and Jan-May of 83. > > > > If anyone has them and does not feel up to the task of scanning them ,please email me off list & i can help out > > > > > > this is all we have let to finish off the collection of Rainbows > > > > Just wanted to compliment you on all the effort you've put into scanning and uploading Coco magazines. > > I noticed you are uploading the files in PDF format. This is great for people who want to reproduce the magazines on paper, but it is very inefficient if you just want to be able to view them on your screen. For that case, the DJVU format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djvu) results in files which are 10-25x smaller and look just as good on the screen as PDF documents. Given the bandwidth limits the excalibur server is subject to, it might be worthwhile to consider making them available in this format in lieu of or in addition to the PDF format. > > If no one else is interested, I'll convert some of them myself and upload them to excalibur, but certainly it would be more efficient if you did this as you already have all of the files yourself. There are lots of tools for converting DJVU to PDF, but only a few for going the other way. One is available from http://www.trustfm.net/GeneralTools/SoftwarePdfToDjvuGUI.php?b2=1. > > -- > Jason > Jason, im glad you liked the pdf scans by myself and others as well. there has been many hundreds of hours hours put in to these. there is another member here, Wes, he has been converting the 300 dpi pdfs in to 100 and putting them on to rapidshare if you go theru the history here at the yahoo site you will find the links or perhaps Wes might even repost the links too dez From flexser at fiu.edu Sun May 17 01:50:57 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:50:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you sure you mean 10-25 TIMES smaller than PDF, and not 10-25 PERCENT smaller? I looked at the Wikipedia article, and it cites an external link ("DjVu vs. PDF comparison") where DjVu came out 25% better than PDF. Wikipedia itself simply says, "it gives smaller files than PDF for most scanned documents," which seems like a very weak statement if DjVu is really typically 10 to 25 TIMES better in compression. Art On 5/16/09, jasonb1963 wrote: > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > > > we need these issues Jul-Dec of 82, and Jan-May of 83. > > > > If anyone has them and does not feel up to the task of scanning them ,please email me off list & i can help out > > > > > > this is all we have let to finish off the collection of Rainbows > > > > Just wanted to compliment you on all the effort you've put into scanning and uploading Coco magazines. > > I noticed you are uploading the files in PDF format. This is great for people who want to reproduce the magazines on paper, but it is very inefficient if you just want to be able to view them on your screen. For that case, the DJVU format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djvu) results in files which are 10-25x smaller and look just as good on the screen as PDF documents. Given the bandwidth limits the excalibur server is subject to, it might be worthwhile to consider making them available in this format in lieu of or in addition to the PDF format. > > If no one else is interested, I'll convert some of them myself and upload them to excalibur, but certainly it would be more efficient if you did this as you already have all of the files yourself. There are lots of tools for converting DJVU to PDF, but only a few for going the other way. One is available from http://www.trustfm.net/GeneralTools/SoftwarePdfToDjvuGUI.php?b2=1. > > -- > Jason > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Sun May 17 02:28:25 2009 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 06:28:25 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning Message-ID: There is a HUGE size difference while offering better quality than PDF. DjVu uses Wavelet compression if I remember right. One thing though... to get superior quality than the PDFs, you have to start with the original scanned images. Otherwise you won't get any better than the PDFs. The DjVu files will still be much smaller though. ----------------------- Are you sure you mean 10-25 TIMES smaller than PDF, and not 10-25 PERCENT smaller? I looked at the Wikipedia article, and it cites an external link ("DjVu vs. PDF comparison") where DjVu came out 25% better than PDF. Wikipedia itself simply says, "it gives smaller files than PDF for most scanned documents," which seems like a very weak statement if DjVu is really typically 10 to 25 TIMES better in compression. Art From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Sun May 17 07:24:27 2009 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 07:24:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Please be kind to my FTP! Message-ID: <200905171148.n4HBmJLX025018@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Hi all, There's been a lot of enthusiasm for the latest uploads to CoCo FTP site at maltedMedia. But **please** be kind. If you don't really intend to read all that stuff cover-to-cover in the next few days, let it sit and grab just the document you want to read. Over the past 48 hours downloads have reached 60GB for those new, very big PDFs. When I hit my monthly 500GB bandwidth limit, I start paying $1/GB overcharges. The CoCo FTP section is now 95% of the total demand on a server with 40 domains. The free FTP site has been open for almost nine years, and the CoCo list running for nearly six. The hard drive was upgraded two weeks ago to accommodate those 20-plus GB in new files, and it is now shadowed as well. The site is not in danger of disappearing, so please build your personal archives s-l-o-w-l-y! One more important thing: A big thank-you is owed. If you noticed the maltedMedia FTP site is easier to browse recently, you can thank Tim Lindner, who has been hard at work all week brilliantly reorganizing the haphazard mess it had become! Thanks, Dennis From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 17 08:33:54 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:33:54 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] converting pdf to djvu Message-ID: i have dome some tests tonight when i have been saving my scans to hdd yes i agree there is an incredible size difference between pdf and djvu im going to do some investigation in to how i can convert files from pdf to djvu but for the time being i will stick to pdf as i use pdftk as my slicer/dicer/boxer/sorter for putting all my scans together i scan about 10 or 20 pages and save my work and keep going till the magazine is finished. at the end i join the lot with pdftk. im yet to find a program like pdftk for djvu files.they maybe one. i just have not had time to go hunting. busy scanning more magazines From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 17 08:44:21 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:44:21 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pdf2dvju Message-ID: ok, well that was easy a quick search of ubuntu repos and there is a pdf2djvu convertor to install it is easy as sudo apt-get install pdf2djvu for windows land.....its almost as easy trustfm have taken the source and made a windows version too for those who use it http://www.trustfm.net/GeneralTools/SoftwarePdfToDjvuGUI.php?b2=1 i will investigate this later down the track though.but for those interested you can convert what pfd files you have now to djvu and do it all for free. Rock on Open Source software. You save the day again! Dez From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun May 17 10:56:12 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Please be kind to my FTP! In-Reply-To: <200905171148.n4HBmJLX025018@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <200905171148.n4HBmJLX025018@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <200905171056.12399.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 17 May 2009, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: >Hi all, > >There's been a lot of enthusiasm for the latest uploads to CoCo FTP >site at maltedMedia. > >But **please** be kind. If you don't really intend to read all that >stuff cover-to-cover in the next few days, let it sit and grab just >the document you want to read. > >Over the past 48 hours downloads have reached 60GB for those new, >very big PDFs. When I hit my monthly 500GB bandwidth limit, I start >paying $1/GB overcharges. The CoCo FTP section is now 95% of the >total demand on a server with 40 domains. > >The free FTP site has been open for almost nine years, and the CoCo >list running for nearly six. The hard drive was upgraded two weeks >ago to accommodate those 20-plus GB in new files, and it is now >shadowed as well. The site is not in danger of disappearing, so >please build your personal archives s-l-o-w-l-y! > >One more important thing: A big thank-you is owed. If you noticed the >maltedMedia FTP site is easier to browse recently, you can thank Tim >Lindner, who has been hard at work all week brilliantly reorganizing >the haphazard mess it had become! > >Thanks, >Dennis > And many many thanks to Dennis for supplying this site, and to Tim for doing this. If all we had was yahoo, this group would not be, it really is that simply stated. I intend to pickup a few of the older, < 1985 issues eventually as I now have >2TB available, but I won't add to your load for a while yet. A big tip of the hat to both of you. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Human resources are human first, and resources second. -- J. Garbers From jasonb1963 at yahoo.com Sun May 17 03:12:34 2009 From: jasonb1963 at yahoo.com (jasonb1963) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 07:12:34 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dez, It's great that the magazines are available in so many different formats. Rapidshare is great for downloading current stuff, but don't they remove stuff from their servers if it isn't downloaded regularly (like at least once every 30 days)? 100DPI PDFs should be approximately 9 times smaller than 300DPI PDFs (although practically probably slightly less because the compression will likely be more efficient at the higher resolutions). This should be sufficient for viewing on the screen (except perhaps for very small text). One thing I don't know if you're aware of is that the DJVU format holds the images at 300DPI and still manages to compress them much more than equivalent resolution PDF documents due to the more advanced compression used. This makes it great for document archival purposes. Why don't I convert one of your 300DPI scans into DJVU format and upload it to excalibur? I suspect that it will look better than a 100DPI PDF and be smaller still, but the proof is in the pudding. -- Jason From kishtailor at lavabit.com Sun May 17 12:30:46 2009 From: kishtailor at lavabit.com (Kish Tailor) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:30:46 +0100 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D69D4D7-EFB6-4778-8949-4D0C210BACD9@lavabit.com> It's only deleted from rapidshare if you are using their free service. Sent via iPhone by O2 On 17 May 2009, at 08:12, "jasonb1963" wrote: > Dez, > > It's great that the magazines are available in so many different > formats. Rapidshare is great for downloading current stuff, but > don't they remove stuff from their servers if it isn't downloaded > regularly (like at least once every 30 days)? > > 100DPI PDFs should be approximately 9 times smaller than 300DPI PDFs > (although practically probably slightly less because the compression > will likely be more efficient at the higher resolutions). This > should be sufficient for viewing on the screen (except perhaps for > very small text). > > One thing I don't know if you're aware of is that the DJVU format > holds the images at 300DPI and still manages to compress them much > more than equivalent resolution PDF documents due to the more > advanced compression used. This makes it great for document > archival purposes. Why don't I convert one of your 300DPI scans > into DJVU format and upload it to excalibur? I suspect that it will > look better than a 100DPI PDF and be smaller still, but the proof is > in the pudding. > > -- > Jason > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get your fix. Click here for reliable handyman services! > http://ads.lavabit.com/fc/BLSrjwr4PexsslqUEymkBXNYIh3oATwhSDXZPUsaBLilxc6Y203Ae5zNDX6/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ From jasonb1963 at yahoo.com Sun May 17 12:33:34 2009 From: jasonb1963 at yahoo.com (jasonb1963) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:33:34 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: converting pdf to djvu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > i have dome some tests tonight when i have been saving my scans to hdd > > > yes i agree there is an incredible size difference between pdf and djvu > > > im going to do some investigation in to how i can convert files from pdf to djvu > > but for the time being i will stick to pdf as i use pdftk as my slicer/dicer/boxer/sorter for putting all my scans together > > i scan about 10 or 20 pages and save my work and keep going till the magazine is finished. at the end i join the lot with pdftk. > > im yet to find a program like pdftk for djvu files.they maybe one. i just have not had time to go hunting. busy scanning more magazines > I uploaded a sample DJVU of one of your scans to excalibur earlier today. I couldn't tell any difference between it and the PDF, despite the fact that it was 5.3x smaller (39.7 vs. 211MB). I'm sure there are a lot more utility programs for handling PDF files than DJVU files. Why don't you continue to use pdftk for your slicer/dicer/boxer/sorter needs and then use PdftoDjvuGUI to convert the resulting PDF files to DJVU format? You can use lossless compression in the PDF files to minimize any compression defects which might potentially show up in the DJVU files if you looked really closely. Once you've got the files in DJVU format, there are very nice viewing programs for viewing them on your screen (and even printing them if you want to). If you have OCRed the magazines, most of the DJVU viewers can also do text searches as well (just like Acrobat). -- Jason From spam_proof at verizon.net Sun May 17 13:43:57 2009 From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:43:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] My son had discovered the Coco.... Message-ID: All, My second grader learned about computer programming in school and has taken interest in several of my antique computers. Specifically, we have an Apple IIe and several Cocos. He found an old (inoperational) x-pad and tried to get it to work, but couldn't. He's already figured out that BASIC can be used as a calculator.. By the way, does anyone have a copy of "Going Ahead with Extended Color BASIC"? I've got "Getting Started..." and probably have "Going Ahead..." somewhere, but can't find it. I live in the Washington, DC / Richmond VA (USA) area. - Aaron From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sun May 17 13:58:05 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:58:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Please be kind to my FTP! In-Reply-To: <200905171148.n4HBmJLX025018@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <200905171148.n4HBmJLX025018@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <4A10502D.1020203@gmail.com> Hi Dennis, I for one, appreciate your repository for the CoCo community. I will be maintaining a low profile for a while to help out. Thanks for hosting our great hobby! O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Hi all, > > There's been a lot of enthusiasm for the latest uploads to CoCo FTP > site at maltedMedia. > > But **please** be kind. If you don't really intend to read all that > stuff cover-to-cover in the next few days, let it sit and grab just > the document you want to read. > > Over the past 48 hours downloads have reached 60GB for those new, very > big PDFs. When I hit my monthly 500GB bandwidth limit, I start paying > $1/GB overcharges. The CoCo FTP section is now 95% of the total demand > on a server with 40 domains. > > The free FTP site has been open for almost nine years, and the CoCo > list running for nearly six. The hard drive was upgraded two weeks ago > to accommodate those 20-plus GB in new files, and it is now shadowed > as well. The site is not in danger of disappearing, so please build > your personal archives s-l-o-w-l-y! > > One more important thing: A big thank-you is owed. If you noticed the > maltedMedia FTP site is easier to browse recently, you can thank Tim > Lindner, who has been hard at work all week brilliantly reorganizing > the haphazard mess it had become! > > Thanks, > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sun May 17 15:36:18 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:36:18 -0600 Subject: [Coco] My son had discovered the Coco.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77E4C579-A6C2-42FF-9B4C-7165B8BA5B38@gmail.com> On May 17, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Aaron Banerjee wrote: > My second grader learned about computer programming in school and > has taken interest in several of my antique computers. > Specifically, we have an Apple IIe and several Cocos. He found an > old (inoperational) x-pad and tried to get it to work, but > couldn't. He's already figured out that BASIC can be used as a > calculator.. > By the way, does anyone have a copy of "Going Ahead with Extended > Color BASIC"? I've got "Getting Started..." and probably have > "Going Ahead..." somewhere, but can't find it. You can download a PDF document of the manual using your web browser from here: http://goyim.dyndns.org:8080/coco/doc/manuals/Hardware/Getting%20Started%20With%20Extended%20Color%20Basic.pdf I think this is an abridged manual combining parts of the original two volume set of Color BASIC and Extended Color BASIC. It is a large file (41 MB). -- JP From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun May 17 16:01:03 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:01:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Please be kind to my FTP! In-Reply-To: <4A10502D.1020203@gmail.com> References: <200905171148.n4HBmJLX025018@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> <4A10502D.1020203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007201c9d72a$3a55a760$af00f620$@rr.com> Not me, man. I'm gonna be uploading my head off!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:58 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Please be kind to my FTP! > > Hi Dennis, > I for one, appreciate your repository for the CoCo community. I will be > maintaining a low profile for a while to help out. > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun May 17 16:04:32 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:04:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads In-Reply-To: <003c01c9d662$3f0c4e80$bd24eb80$@rr.com> References: <003201c9d5e1$709cec60$51d6c520$@rr.com> <003c01c9d662$3f0c4e80$bd24eb80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <007301c9d72a$bab78f40$3026adc0$@rr.com> Finishing with 1987, starting with 1986 From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 17 16:36:13 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:36:13 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "jasonb1963" wrote: > > Dez, > > It's great that the magazines are available in so many different formats. Rapidshare is great for downloading current stuff, but don't they remove stuff from their servers if it isn't downloaded regularly (like at least once every 30 days)? > > 100DPI PDFs should be approximately 9 times smaller than 300DPI PDFs (although practically probably slightly less because the compression will likely be more efficient at the higher resolutions). This should be sufficient for viewing on the screen (except perhaps for very small text). > > One thing I don't know if you're aware of is that the DJVU format holds the images at 300DPI and still manages to compress them much more than equivalent resolution PDF documents due to the more advanced compression used. This makes it great for document archival purposes. Why don't I convert one of your 300DPI scans into DJVU format and upload it to excalibur? I suspect that it will look better than a 100DPI PDF and be smaller still, but the proof is in the pudding. > > -- > Jason > Jason, its cool. i can convert pdf to djvu here. went looking last night and posted how to do this to the list i have not converted one of my 500 meg plus documents yet but i played with one of my aussie coco scans last night. i will still have to scan & save in pdf format so i can join all the little bits together with pdftk in to a complete document you may want to do this little exercise for other people benefits but if you live in windows land you can do it yourself here http://www.trustfm.net/GeneralTools/SoftwarePdfToDjvuGUI.php?b2=1 From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 17 20:30:20 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:30:20 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pdf to djvu testing Message-ID: i just finished scanning another aussie coco mag and decied to test it out and convert it to djvu the command i used fro shell was this pdf2djvu -o aussie.coco.april.1988 -d300 -v aussie.coco.april.1988.pdf i told it to convert to 300dpi as my original pdf was saved like that anyhow. my original pdf is 96.2 megabyte long the djvu file i got out is 16 megabyte there is however a slight blurr to the text though in the djvu file and thats to be expected as it is a lossy format anyhow. it does take a little while to convert from pdf to djvu but nothing to stress over. i will tinker some more with djvu, but im quite impressed so far.just wish it wasnt as blurry on the text. its still quite useable though dont get me wrong, but for clarity the original pdf shines as there is no blur on the text From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 17 20:52:30 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:52:30 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pdf to djvu conversion solved Message-ID: ok, just did another test. same file but i increased the dpi from 300 to 400 for the djvu file the file size for the djvu file jumped from 16 gig to 25 gig but *MAN* the text quality is spot on now. now more blurry text. yippie. not bad from my original pdf of 96 megabyte so if anyone wants to go nuts converting pdf files to djvu files please do so, but do it at 400 dpi not 300. ta dez From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 17 20:58:49 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:58:49 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: pdf to djvu conversion solved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > ok, > just did another test. same file but i increased the dpi from 300 to 400 for the djvu file > > the file size for the djvu file jumped from 16 gig to 25 gig but *MAN* the text quality is spot on now. now more blurry text. > > yippie. > > not bad from my original pdf of 96 megabyte > > so if anyone wants to go nuts converting pdf files to djvu files please do so, but do it at 400 dpi not 300. > > ta > > dez > oops , 16 megabyte to 25 megabyte From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sun May 17 21:16:38 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:16:38 -0700 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A10B6F6.80207@bjork-huffman.net> I can understand the appeal of the Internet. From email to web pages and the latest fads like Twitter, it would be great for the Color Computer to have a piece of the action. For myself, I go nuts when the Internet is down at my office. Without access to all the information on the World Wide Web it feels like my computer is still turned off. The Color Computer is based on 30 years old technology and computers have grown a bit since then. The new computer that I?m designing is 54,000 times faster than my 23-year-old CoCo 3 system. The Internet has gown with the power of our computer systems. Gone are the simple text pages that the CoCo could handle. The entry page of CoCo3.com is almost 500,000 bytes when you include the HTML, Graphics, CSS and Javascript data it takes to build it. A far cry from a bit more than a decade ago when most web pages took just a few hundred bytes. That?s why I?ve posted messages that the CoCo cannot handle most modern web pages. We can?t turn the whole Internet back round to those simple days but we can take a lesson from mobile phones. They also had real problems rendering those big web pages on underpowered devices with small screens. They got around their problems by making their own version of the web by creating their own standards and so can we for the CoCo. Their ?WAP? standard for mobile devices was design for a low speed CPU in the first smart Cell phones. These devices also have small screen with limited color. Sounds familiar? You can see the direction that I?m Going with this. We don?t try to get the CoCo to use the whole Internet, just the parts it can handle. We can also create new Internet applications that are design for what our ?little system? can do. Many of you would love to get the CoCo directly connected to the Internet with a TCP/IP Network Pak. Well, there are none out there for the CoCo. Someday, that may change. But for now, we have to use other solutions. The quick and cheap solution is to use a modern PC to handle the Internet protocol and feed the processed data to the CoCo via the serial RS-232 port or Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak from CoCo3.com. Since the technology is here today and working, a new server application could be written quickly. (Maybe in the future a standalone TCP/IP card could be created for the CoCo. But for now, let just get the project off the ground without any extra delays because of a design cycle for new hardware.) So, what could a CoCo do with an Internet design it? Maybe not view the main entry page of CoCo3.com. But view alternated web page design for the CoCo in mind. How about a live chat room for just CoCo users? These would be a piece a cake for a CoCo running the simple browser client using the CoCo Internet protocols. Let us not forget the games and other applications that could benefit from a web server designed for real time information transfer for the CoCo. These are just a few of the ideas for an Internet design for the CoCo. But first, there is a need for CoCo Internet standards. Much as there are web standards for formatting pages we will need to set standards for CoCo web pages. First, the TCP/IP server running on the PC would report to the website that it?s interacting as a ?CoCo? client. This would get the website to create generic HTML code or in the case of CoCo friendly website to use CoCo protocols. The naming structure for files for the CoCo standard should follow the file ?types? as the web standard. For ease, let us just add the word ?CoCo? to them. A CoCo HTML file would be ?cocohtml? for example. We will address other protocols or standards in later documents. To that end, a standards committee will need to be created. Any volunteers? Please note that I?m already in line to help this project. Steve (6809er) Bjork From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun May 17 21:45:10 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] 1992 Rainbow Compleye Year Archive Is up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <97853.85075.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have gotten Rainbow Magazine 1992 complete year added to my archives. You can find the link here http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=960&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= Enjoy! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From tonypodraza at juno.com Sun May 17 22:56:40 2009 From: tonypodraza at juno.com (John A Podraza) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report Message-ID: <20090517.215658.4148.2.tonypodraza@juno.com> Frank; Scott Griepentrog was driving me aroud looking for you all....We got back around, what? 4-5AM???? On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:05:49 -0500 Frank Swygert writes: > I see lots of faces I recall in the photos, but can't always put the > right names to them! a few have changed a good bit from when I last > saw them -- Boisy and Mark for sure (but I still recognized them!) > -- but others such as Allen, Alan, Tony & Linda, and Bro. Jeremy > haven't changed much at all. Can't help but wonder if anyone would > recognize me, but I don't think I've changed that much. I know > there's one night at a Chicago fest that Tony, Linda, and Allen will > never forget! Seems like someone else was with us (Tony wasn't, he > was LOOKING for us!), but I don't recall who... Allen?? > > Maybe next year I can get out to the fest just for old times sake, > not sure right now. I hope I do get out there before the REAL last > one passes! > > I don't even mess with an emulator any more, not after finding out > that I couldn't get the video right on my old HP (486) laptop. I > finally gave that thing away. Wanted to set it up so it booted > straight into the DOS emulator, just for fun (sort of make a "CoCo4" > laptop), but that old Omnibook 6000 used some funky video chip or > circuitry that the emulator just didn't like. Might work on my P3 > Thinkpad 600e, but haven't had time to even try that! > > I still like to keep up here on the list though, and might yet find > time to pull one of the two CoCos I still have out. I saved a couple > I thought might be collectible one day -- a grey CoCo1 that is > either the first model capable of 64K or the last grey one (hmm... > might be one and the same!), and a CoCo2B. Sold my two custom CoCo3s > year ago because they were still very usable at the time, and I > didn't want to let them sit in a closet and gather dust when someone > would enjoy having them. > > ----------- > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:55:14 -0500 > From: Allen Huffman > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > > > > Imagine what the name list would have been back in the late > > > 80's...... :) > > > > Maybe that's why I was bad at names then. The sad thing is, I've > been > "away" from the community long enough that I've forgotten people's > > names that I used to know! Always embarrassing. > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > Tony Podraza, CoCoFEST! Co-Ordinator Glenside Color Computer Club, Inc (which is the) Sponsor of the 15th Annual "Last" Chicago CoCoFEST! April 29th & 30th 2006--Same Familiar Place Visit our website---http://members.aol.com/clubbbs/glenside ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSYZFDtNrcGAQMfmqiuu38hlHdzm7ZiFlNpT8DbaEU1wfQNkZq/ From jasonb1963 at yahoo.com Sun May 17 22:18:17 2009 From: jasonb1963 at yahoo.com (jasonb1963) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 02:18:17 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: pdf to djvu conversion solved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > ok, > just did another test. same file but i increased the dpi from 300 to 400 for the djvu file > > the file size for the djvu file jumped from 16 gig to 25 gig but *MAN* the text quality is spot on now. now more blurry text. > > yippie. > > not bad from my original pdf of 96 megabyte > > so if anyone wants to go nuts converting pdf files to djvu files please do so, but do it at 400 dpi not 300. > > ta > > dez > Strange. I used PdfToDjvuGUIwin32 to do the conversion with all the default settings and I thought the DJVU document at 300DPI was comparable to the PDF document. I wonder if it uses different settings from the command line version (did you use the Linux or the Windows version)? In particular, I remember making sure it was set for 300DPI. You might check out the file I uploaded to excalibur and see if it exhibits any of the blurring you noticed yourself. Anyway, I'm glad it is working out. I've got hundreds of gigabytes of PDF documents I've been archiving over the years which I am now converting over to DJVU format and saving huge amounts of storage space in the process without significant loss of quality. PDF seems to be very inefficient for scanned documents, although reasonably efficient for other types of documents. -- Jason From nuxie at aol.com Sun May 17 23:53:46 2009 From: nuxie at aol.com (nuxie at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 23:53:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] My son had discovered the Coco.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBA58361591FD9-620-1B0@WEBMAIL-MA14.sysops.aol.com> I have a copy for you if you would like to have it. Emaill me in private and I will get it out to you. Mary Nuxie at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Banerjee To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:43 pm Subject: [Coco] My son had discovered the Coco.... All,? ? My second grader learned about computer programming in school and has taken interest in several of my antique computers. Specifically, we have an Apple IIe and several Cocos. He found an old (inoperational) x-pad and tried to get it to work, but couldn't. He's already figured out that BASIC can be used as a calculator..? ? By the way, does anyone have a copy of "Going Ahead with Extended Color BASIC"? I've got "Getting Started..." and probably have "Going Ahead..." somewhere, but can't find it.? ? I live in the Washington, DC / Richmond VA (USA) area.? ? - Aaron --? Coco mailing list? Coco at maltedmedia.com? http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco? From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Mon May 18 05:47:26 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:47:26 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] batch convert pdf to djvu Message-ID: i didnt write this, but i tested it and it works # !/bin/sh for i in *.pdf ; do j=`basename $i | sed -e 's/\.pdf//'` pdf2djvu --dpi=400 -o $j.djvu $i done make sure pdf2djvu is installed first sudo apt-get install pdf2djvu then run the script. it will go thru the directory and convert all pdf files to djvu and keep the same file name as the original. *make sure there is no spaces in the file name* this script wont handle it From diegoba at adinet.com.uy Mon May 18 06:43:00 2009 From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (diegoba at adinet.com.uy) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 7:43:00 -0300 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? Message-ID: <49B00E1F02E826B8@> (added by postmaster@adinet.com.uy) I was already working in a similar idea on what little free time I have. My plan was to use a subset of HTML. That would allow regular browsers to interact with the coco pages, and ease developement, since many PC tools could be used to create, at least, a first draft of the page. Does this seem to make sense? When I get home,I'll get my papers and send another email. Diego -----Original Message----- From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> Subj: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? Date: Sun 17 May 2009 10:17 pm Size: 3K To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts I can understand the appeal of the Internet. From email to web pages and the latest fads like Twitter, it would be great for the Color Computer to have a piece of the action. For myself, I go nuts when the Internet is down at my office. Without access to all the information on the World Wide Web it feels like my computer is still turned off. The Color Computer is based on 30 years old technology and computers have grown a bit since then. The new computer that I?m designing is 54,000 times faster than my 23-year-old CoCo 3 system. The Internet has gown with the power of our computer systems. Gone are the simple text pages that the CoCo could handle. The entry page of CoCo3.com is almost 500,000 bytes when you include the HTML, Graphics, CSS and Javascript data it takes to build it. A far cry from a bit more than a decade ago when most web pages took just a few hundred bytes. That?s why I?ve posted messages that the CoCo cannot handle most modern web pages. We can?t turn the whole Internet back round to those simple days but we can take a lesson from mobile phones. They also had real problems rendering those big web pages on underpowered devices with small screens. They got around their problems by making their own version of the web by creating their own standards and so can we for the CoCo. Their ?WAP? standard for mobile devices was design for a low speed CPU in the first smart Cell phones. These devices also have small screen with limited color. Sounds familiar? You can see the direction that I?m Going with this. We don?t try to get the CoCo to use the whole Internet, just the parts it can handle. We can also create new Internet applications that are design for what our ?little system? can do. Many of you would love to get the CoCo directly connected to the Internet with a TCP/IP Network Pak. Well, there are none out there for the CoCo. Someday, that may change. But for now, we have to use other solutions. The quick and cheap solution is to use a modern PC to handle the Internet protocol and feed the processed data to the CoCo via the serial RS-232 port or Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak from CoCo3.com. Since the technology is here today and working, a new server application could be written quickly. (Maybe in the future a standalone TCP/IP card could be created for the CoCo. But for now, let just get the project off the ground without any extra delays because of a design cycle for new hardware.) So, what could a CoCo do with an Internet design it? Maybe not view the main entry page of CoCo3.com. But view alternated web page design for the CoCo in mind. How about a live chat room for just CoCo users? These would be a piece a cake for a CoCo running the simple browser client using the CoCo Internet protocols. Let us not forget the games and other applications that could benefit from a web server designed for real time information transfer for the CoCo. These are just a few of the ideas for an Internet design for the CoCo. But first, there is a need for CoCo Internet standards. Much as there are web standards for formatting pages we will need to set standards for CoCo web pages. First, the TCP/IP server running on the PC would report to the website that it?s interacting as a ?CoCo? client. This would get the website to create generic HTML code or in the case of CoCo friendly website to use CoCo protocols. The naming structure for files for the CoCo standard should follow the file ?types? as the web standard. For ease, let us just add the word ?CoCo? to them. A CoCo HTML file would be ?cocohtml? for example. We will address other protocols or standards in later documents. To that end, a standards committee will need to be created. Any volunteers? Please note that I?m already in line to help this project. Steve (6809er) Bjork -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Mon May 18 09:23:36 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:23:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <4A10B6F6.80207@bjork-huffman.net> References: <4A10B6F6.80207@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <200905180823.36870.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Sunday 17 May 2009 20:16:38 Steve Bjork wrote: > I can understand the appeal of the Internet. From email to web pages and > the latest fads like Twitter, it would be great for the Color Computer > to have a piece of the action. For myself, I go nuts when the Internet > is down at my office. Without access to all the information on the World > Wide Web it feels like my computer is still turned off. > > The Color Computer is based on 30 years old technology and computers > have grown a bit since then. The new computer that I?m designing is > 54,000 times faster than my 23-year-old CoCo 3 system. > > The Internet has gown with the power of our computer systems. Gone are > the simple text pages that the CoCo could handle. The entry page of > CoCo3.com is almost 500,000 bytes when you include the HTML, Graphics, > CSS and Javascript data it takes to build it. A far cry from a bit more > than a decade ago when most web pages took just a few hundred bytes. > That?s why I?ve posted messages that the CoCo cannot handle most modern > web pages. > > We can?t turn the whole Internet back round to those simple days but we > can take a lesson from mobile phones. They also had real problems > rendering those big web pages on underpowered devices with small > screens. They got around their problems by making their own version of > the web by creating their own standards and so can we for the CoCo. > > Their ?WAP? standard for mobile devices was design for a low speed CPU > in the first smart Cell phones. These devices also have small screen > with limited color. Sounds familiar? You can see the direction that I?m > Going with this. > > We don?t try to get the CoCo to use the whole Internet, just the parts > it can handle. We can also create new Internet applications that are > design for what our ?little system? can do. > > Many of you would love to get the CoCo directly connected to the > Internet with a TCP/IP Network Pak. Well, there are none out there for > the CoCo. Someday, that may change. But for now, we have to use other > solutions. > > The quick and cheap solution is to use a modern PC to handle the > Internet protocol and feed the processed data to the CoCo via the serial > RS-232 port or Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak from CoCo3.com. Since the > technology is here today and working, a new server application could be > written quickly. (Maybe in the future a standalone TCP/IP card could be > created for the CoCo. But for now, let just get the project off the > ground without any extra delays because of a design cycle for new > hardware.) > > So, what could a CoCo do with an Internet design it? Maybe not view the > main entry page of CoCo3.com. But view alternated web page design for > the CoCo in mind. How about a live chat room for just CoCo users? These > would be a piece a cake for a CoCo running the simple browser client > using the CoCo Internet protocols. > > Let us not forget the games and other applications that could benefit > from a web server designed for real time information transfer for the CoCo. > > These are just a few of the ideas for an Internet design for the CoCo. > But first, there is a need for CoCo Internet standards. > > Much as there are web standards for formatting pages we will need to set > standards for CoCo web pages. First, the TCP/IP server running on the PC > would report to the website that it?s interacting as a ?CoCo? client. > This would get the website to create generic HTML code or in the case of > CoCo friendly website to use CoCo protocols. > > The naming structure for files for the CoCo standard should follow the > file ?types? as the web standard. For ease, let us just add the word > ?CoCo? to them. A CoCo HTML file would be ?cocohtml? for example. > > We will address other protocols or standards in later documents. To that > end, a standards committee will need to be created. Any volunteers? > > Please note that I?m already in line to help this project. > > Steve (6809er) Bjork > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Isn't there a text base browser out there called Lynx or something like that? With todays graphics oriented sites, text will leave a lot to be desired, but I believe that this could be a viable alternative for the CoCo. Sooo... as you said, lets get it started. From wlhaynes at mindspring.com Mon May 18 09:25:53 2009 From: wlhaynes at mindspring.com (Wesley Haynes) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:25:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: pdf to djvu conversion solved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1161E1.8010207@mindspring.com> jasonb1963 wrote: > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: >> >> so if anyone wants to go nuts converting pdf files to djvu files please do so, but do it at 400 dpi not 300. >> >> dez >> > > Strange. I used PdfToDjvuGUIwin32 to do the conversion with all the default settings and I thought the DJVU document at 300DPI was comparable to the PDF document. I wonder if it uses different settings from the command line version (did you use the Linux or the Windows version)? In particular, I remember making sure it was set for 300DPI. You might check out the file I uploaded to excalibur and see if it exhibits any of the blurring you noticed yourself. > > Jason I downloaded the sample djvu from excalibur and did a high-zoom comparison between it, the original pdf Dez scanned at 300 dpi, and the downgrade I performed to 100 dpi pdf. I see the blurriness Dez is talking about. In fact, I can tell no difference in overall clarity or readability between the djvu and the 100 dpi pdf. That said, the djvu does look nicer than the 100 dpi pdf, exhibiting none of the awful jpeg noise which is prevalent in my conversions. I'm going to try Dez's script and see what kind of result I get. If it looks a lot better while still giving a substantial file size reduction, I will gladly abandon my 100 dpi pdfs in favor of djvu. I'll be working on 1984, so if anyone else is working on converting to djvu, please do other years to avoid double work. Wes From skwirl42 at gmail.com Mon May 18 09:41:51 2009 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:41:51 -0300 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <200905180823.36870.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <4A10B6F6.80207@bjork-huffman.net> <200905180823.36870.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30905180641m5fc43cc3se5b444a3b3012bb1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/09, richec wrote: > Isn't there a text base browser out there called Lynx or something like that? > With todays graphics oriented sites, text will leave a lot to be desired, but > I believe that this could be a viable alternative for the CoCo. Sooo... as > you said, lets get it started. You would think a text-based browser would be small, wouldn't you? Lynx isn't small. -- James Dessart From farna at att.net Mon May 18 09:54:01 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:54:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? Message-ID: <4A116879.10806@att.net> Wonderful idea! Why not just adopt the cell-phone standards, even report to the server that it's a cell-phone page? That would open up a lot of existing services without requesting CoCo specific pages. There may be a way to add something CoCo specific to the existing cell standards. Now we need a mini server box. Maybe a mini-ITX board. They sell for as little as $65 (no memory or HD) and fit in a single 5.25" drive case WITH a hard drive. An older laptop 2.5" drive would be sufficient, but a single drive case (something like an external CD-ROM case) might hold a 3.5" HD and the ITX board with careful packing. I'd like to see something like one of the small Linux packages streamlined with the Internet server and drive-wire or CoConet, so it's just a drive/I-net server for the CoCo, no screen or anything needed except for setup and troubleshooting. Maybe all loaded onto a USB thumb drive (I'm assuming the thumb drive would boot faster than the HD, might not??) -- turn it on and it's ready to go. ----------- Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:16:38 -0700 From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> (edited) The Internet has gown with the power of our computer systems. Gone are the simple text pages that the CoCo could handle. The entry page of CoCo3.com is almost 500,000 bytes when you include the HTML, Graphics, CSS and Javascript data it takes to build it. A far cry from a bit more than a decade ago when most web pages took just a few hundred bytes. That?s why I?ve posted messages that the CoCo cannot handle most modern web pages. We can?t turn the whole Internet back round to those simple days but we can take a lesson from mobile phones. They also had real problems rendering those big web pages on underpowered devices with small screens. They got around their problems by making their own version of the web by creating their own standards and so can we for the CoCo. Their ?WAP? standard for mobile devices was design for a low speed CPU in the first smart Cell phones. These devices also have small screen with limited color. Sounds familiar? You can see the direction that I?m Going with this. We don?t try to get the CoCo to use the whole Internet, just the parts it can handle. We can also create new Internet applications that are design for what our ?little system? can do. The quick and cheap solution is to use a modern PC to handle the Internet protocol and feed the processed data to the CoCo via the serial RS-232 port or Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak from CoCo3.com. Since the technology is here today and working, a new server application could be written quickly. So, what could a CoCo do with an Internet design it? Maybe not view the main entry page of CoCo3.com. But view alternated web page design for the CoCo in mind. How about a live chat room for just CoCo users? These would be a piece a cake for a CoCo running the simple browser client using the CoCo Internet protocols. Much as there are web standards for formatting pages we will need to set standards for CoCo web pages. First, the TCP/IP server running on the PC would report to the website that it?s interacting as a ?CoCo? client. This would get the website to create generic HTML code or in the case of CoCo friendly website to use CoCo protocols. The naming structure for files for the CoCo standard should follow the file ?types? as the web standard. For ease, let us just add the word ?CoCo? to them. A CoCo HTML file would be ?cocohtml? for example. We will address other protocols or standards in later documents. To that end, a standards committee will need to be created. Any volunteers? Please note that I?m already in line to help this project. Steve (6809er) Bjork -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From farna at att.net Mon May 18 10:39:28 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:39:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] My son had discovered the Coco.... Message-ID: <4A117320.6020505@att.net> There is a disk basic "Quick Reference Guide" in the list archives under FARNA. Once he learns a little basic that will come in handy. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Mon May 18 11:13:55 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:13:55 -0700 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <4A116879.10806@att.net> References: <4A116879.10806@att.net> Message-ID: <4A117B33.2090002@bjork-huffman.net> Frank, I don't think we can get the WAP standard running on a CoCo. (I just used WAP as an example.) There is still to much in the way of graphics, JavaScript and XML in WAP to run on a CoCo. A new standard would insure that the CoCo would display the page the way it was intended by the web designer. Frank Swygert wrote: > Why not just adopt the cell-phone standards, even report to the server > that it's a cell-phone page? That would open up a lot of existing > services without requesting CoCo specific pages. There may be a way to > add something CoCo specific to the existing cell standards. From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Mon May 18 11:32:24 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <4A10B6F6.80207@bjork-huffman.net> References: <4A10B6F6.80207@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <4A117F88.3050206@bjork-huffman.net> I do have a few questions for you to think about on this CoCo web standard ... 1) Do we limit the CoCo web browser it to just the CoCo 3 or include the CoCo 1/2 too? (The are good reasons to limiting it to a fully loaded CoCo 3 with 512k of ram.) 2) Should the display just be text only or push it a bit with a 320 by 224 by 16 color with very limited graphics. 3) We could use the 640 by 224 by 4 color mode with even more limited graphics. (Please note that graphics screens would let us use variable-length fonts to make the text easier to read and embed graphics too. It could be up the web page's header data to select the type of graphics mode to best display the page.) 4) Besides web browser, what other web applications do we what to support? 5) What type of "push" API would be useful for CoCo programs? From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Mon May 18 17:01:23 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:01:23 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion Message-ID: i kicked off my pc to do this conversion yesterday arvo and it is still going april 1984 i scanned in pdf original was 617 meg djvu at 400 dpi is 110.6 meg no blurrynes and looks great we have a winner folks. i have learnt a lot about scanning books in the past 5 months 1.scan at 300 dpi full colour and start with a awesome looking original 2.save every 10 or 15 pages in pdf to the hdd 3. once all the tiny parts are saved in pdf join together in a matter of seconds with pdftk 4. convert to djvu at 400 dpi 5. smile and admire the work! i wont upoad 1984 yet as the pc is still running to get it done. im really impressed. forget 100 dpi pdf.they are horrid by comparison. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon May 18 17:25:53 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:25:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905181725.53668.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 17 May 2009, jasonb1963 wrote: >Dez, > >It's great that the magazines are available in so many different formats. > Rapidshare is great for downloading current stuff, but don't they remove > stuff from their servers if it isn't downloaded regularly (like at least > once every 30 days)? > >100DPI PDFs should be approximately 9 times smaller than 300DPI PDFs > (although practically probably slightly less because the compression will > likely be more efficient at the higher resolutions). This should be > sufficient for viewing on the screen (except perhaps for very small text). > >One thing I don't know if you're aware of is that the DJVU format holds the > images at 300DPI and still manages to compress them much more than > equivalent resolution PDF documents due to the more advanced compression > used. This makes it great for document archival purposes. Why don't I > convert one of your 300DPI scans into DJVU format and upload it to > excalibur? I suspect that it will look better than a 100DPI PDF and be > smaller still, but the proof is in the pudding. > >-- >Jason I suspect, and the acid test is to Just Do It, that taking the raw 300dpi scan, and making a DjVu out of that, will not only give a higher quality output, but make the resultant file even smaller than the convertor can. I have downloaded the tools that should do it, and will see if my 'list of suspects' is properly sorted. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If money can't buy happiness, I guess you'll just have to rent it. ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:ColorComputer-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:ColorComputer-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ColorComputer-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From lamune at doki-doki.net Mon May 18 17:58:18 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B232@fenestra.lamunet.local> What is the benefit of turning a 300dpi PDF into a 400dpi djvu? Why increase the resolution? > -----Original Message----- > From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of stinger30au > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:01 PM > To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion > > i kicked off my pc to do this conversion yesterday arvo and it is still > going > > > april 1984 i scanned in pdf original was 617 meg > djvu at 400 dpi is 110.6 meg no blurrynes and looks great > > we have a winner folks. > > i have learnt a lot about scanning books in the past 5 months > > > 1.scan at 300 dpi full colour and start with a awesome looking original > 2.save every 10 or 15 pages in pdf to the hdd > 3. once all the tiny parts are saved in pdf join together in a matter > of seconds with pdftk > 4. convert to djvu at 400 dpi > 5. smile and admire the work! > > > i wont upoad 1984 yet as the pc is still running to get it done. > im really impressed. forget 100 dpi pdf.they are horrid by comparison. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2119 - Release Date: > 05/18/09 06:28:00 From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Mon May 18 18:03:08 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:03:08 -0600 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <4A117B33.2090002@bjork-huffman.net> References: <4A116879.10806@att.net> <4A117B33.2090002@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: On May 18, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Steve Bjork wrote: > I don't think we can get the WAP standard running on a CoCo. (I > just used WAP as an example.) There is still to much in the way of > graphics, JavaScript and XML in WAP to run on a CoCo. > > A new standard would insure that the CoCo would display the page the > way it was intended by the web designer. I don't know too much about it, but is there any point in looking into the Gopher protocol? This was a kind of predecessor to the WWW circa the early 1990's that was text-based with hyperlinks. I only bring it up because some web browsers (e.g. Firefox) still support it. gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/new -- JP From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Mon May 18 19:03:49 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:03:49 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B232@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Mike Pepe" wrote: > > What is the benefit of turning a 300dpi PDF into a 400dpi djvu? Why > increase the resolution? > Mike, i answered this question yesterday djvu is a "lossy format" if you take a 300dpi pdf & convert to 300 dpi djvu, you lose resolution and the text is blurry.this is due to th compression technique djvu uses. if you wind up the resolution of the djvu to 400dpi the loss of quality is very small and the text is much sharper & jut as good as a 300 dpi pdf. when i finish scanning the remainder of the aussie coco magazines i have and it will take me about 3 or 4 weeks maybe i will upload a pdf version of one just for you to do some tests on it yourself. From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon May 18 19:50:01 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:50:01 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion References: Message-ID: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines are so large. I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages except the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at 300 DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB from 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "stinger30au" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion >i kicked off my pc to do this conversion yesterday arvo and it is still >going > > > april 1984 i scanned in pdf original was 617 meg > djvu at 400 dpi is 110.6 meg no blurrynes and looks great > > we have a winner folks. > > i have learnt a lot about scanning books in the past 5 months > > > 1.scan at 300 dpi full colour and start with a awesome looking original > 2.save every 10 or 15 pages in pdf to the hdd > 3. once all the tiny parts are saved in pdf join together in a matter of > seconds with pdftk > 4. convert to djvu at 400 dpi > 5. smile and admire the work! > > > i wont upoad 1984 yet as the pc is still running to get it done. > im really impressed. forget 100 dpi pdf.they are horrid by comparison. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From linville at tuxdriver.com Mon May 18 19:55:46 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:55:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> Message-ID: <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: > I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines are > so large. > > I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages except > the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at 300 > DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but > that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. > > Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB from > 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are bigger... :-) :-) :-) John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From tjseagrove at writeme.com Mon May 18 21:02:23 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:02:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com> References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <01f201c9d81d$7c05dce0$741196a0$@com> Laugh and the whole world laughs with you... HAHA HOHO HEHE -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John W. Linville Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:56 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: > I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines are > so large. > > I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages except > the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at 300 > DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but > that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. > > Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB from > 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are bigger... :-) :-) :-) John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/18/09 06:28:00 From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon May 18 21:14:18 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:14:18 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> HAHAHAHA, I was going to suggest that our scanners "downunder" are more efficient, but Dez is an Aussie too. Of course, he *IS* closer to the equator than I am..... -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >> I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines are >> so large. >> >> I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages except >> the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at 300 >> DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but >> that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. >> >> Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB from >> 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. > > Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are bigger... > > :-) :-) :-) > > John > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From t.fadden at cox.net Mon May 18 21:19:25 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:19:25 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: <5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com> <5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> Message-ID: <4A12091D.4040702@cox.net> There are lots of variables. Did the scanner do color, greyscale, or line art? When the pdf was made, was it created at 300dpi, also there are settings for % of quality. All of those affect the file size. Tim Bob Devries wrote: > HAHAHAHA, > > I was going to suggest that our scanners "downunder" are more > efficient, but Dez is an Aussie too. Of course, he *IS* closer to the > equator than I am..... > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" > > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion > > >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >>> I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines >>> are >>> so large. >>> >>> I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages >>> except >>> the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at 300 >>> DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but >>> that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. >>> >>> Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB >>> from >>> 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. >> >> Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are >> bigger... >> >> :-) :-) :-) >> >> John >> -- >> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you >> linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon May 18 21:29:45 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:29:45 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com><5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> <4A12091D.4040702@cox.net> Message-ID: I'm using ScanGear CS which came with my CanoScan 5200F scanner. It integrates into Adobe Acrobat Pro 6 through the TWAIN interface. I'm scanning in black & white at 300DPI. There are no other settings available in that mode. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fadden" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion > There are lots of variables. Did the scanner do color, greyscale, or line > art? When the pdf was made, was it created at 300dpi, also there are > settings for % of quality. All of those affect the file size. > > Tim > > Bob Devries wrote: >> HAHAHAHA, >> >> I was going to suggest that our scanners "downunder" are more efficient, >> but Dez is an Aussie too. Of course, he *IS* closer to the equator than I >> am..... >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >> >> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >> the capacity to be his spokesman, >> so that I know how to help the weary. >> >> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" >> >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion >> >> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >>>> I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines >>>> are >>>> so large. >>>> >>>> I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages >>>> except >>>> the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at 300 >>>> DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but >>>> that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. >>>> >>>> Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB >>>> from >>>> 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. >>> >>> Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are >>> bigger... >>> >>> :-) :-) :-) >>> >>> John >>> -- >>> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you >>> linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From t.fadden at cox.net Mon May 18 21:38:17 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:38:17 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com><5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> <4A12091D.4040702@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A120D89.7030806@cox.net> Strangely enough, I just scanned 1982-07, 64 pages. I did the pages with color in color, and the rest greyscale, 300dpi. The total size of the pages in jpeg images is 97 meg. I then used two different programs to create a pdf document. Both were set for 300 dpi. 100% quality. one converter made a pdf at 41meg, and the other turned out 168 meg! go figure that out!... I looked at both of them with acroread and enlarged to 1600% I couldn't tell the difference between the files. All pdf creators are not equal!.. Tim Bob Devries wrote: > I'm using ScanGear CS which came with my CanoScan 5200F scanner. It > integrates into Adobe Acrobat Pro 6 through the TWAIN interface. > > I'm scanning in black & white at 300DPI. There are no other settings > available in that mode. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fadden" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion > > >> There are lots of variables. Did the scanner do color, greyscale, or >> line art? When the pdf was made, was it created at 300dpi, also >> there are settings for % of quality. All of those affect the file size. >> >> Tim >> >> Bob Devries wrote: >>> HAHAHAHA, >>> >>> I was going to suggest that our scanners "downunder" are more >>> efficient, but Dez is an Aussie too. Of course, he *IS* closer to >>> the equator than I am..... >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >>> >>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >>> the capacity to be his spokesman, >>> so that I know how to help the weary. >>> >>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" >>> >>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:55 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >>>>> I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these >>>>> magazines are >>>>> so large. >>>>> >>>>> I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages >>>>> except >>>>> the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at >>>>> 300 >>>>> DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but >>>>> that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. >>>>> >>>>> Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was >>>>> 6939KB from >>>>> 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. >>>> >>>> Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are >>>> bigger... >>>> >>>> :-) :-) :-) >>>> >>>> John >>>> -- >>>> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you >>>> linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon May 18 21:56:12 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:56:12 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com><5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> <4A12091D.4040702@cox.net> <4A120D89.7030806@cox.net> Message-ID: <1B5C2AE850DE4732942DC872295A50FE@master> Tim, I'm wondering if the difference is that I am scanning directly to PDF, not first creating a JPEG file? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fadden" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion > Strangely enough, I just scanned 1982-07, 64 pages. I did the pages with > color in color, and the rest greyscale, 300dpi. The total size of the > pages in jpeg images is 97 meg. I then used two different programs to > create a pdf document. Both were set for 300 dpi. 100% quality. one > converter made a pdf at 41meg, and the other turned out 168 meg! go > figure that out!... I looked at both of them with acroread and enlarged > to 1600% I couldn't tell the difference between the files. All pdf > creators are not equal!.. > > > Tim > > > > > Bob Devries wrote: >> I'm using ScanGear CS which came with my CanoScan 5200F scanner. It >> integrates into Adobe Acrobat Pro 6 through the TWAIN interface. >> >> I'm scanning in black & white at 300DPI. There are no other settings >> available in that mode. >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >> >> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >> the capacity to be his spokesman, >> so that I know how to help the weary. >> >> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fadden" >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion >> >> >>> There are lots of variables. Did the scanner do color, greyscale, or >>> line art? When the pdf was made, was it created at 300dpi, also there >>> are settings for % of quality. All of those affect the file size. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> Bob Devries wrote: >>>> HAHAHAHA, >>>> >>>> I was going to suggest that our scanners "downunder" are more >>>> efficient, but Dez is an Aussie too. Of course, he *IS* closer to the >>>> equator than I am..... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >>>> >>>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >>>> the capacity to be his spokesman, >>>> so that I know how to help the weary. >>>> >>>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >>>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" >>>> >>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:55 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >>>>>> I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines >>>>>> are >>>>>> so large. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages >>>>>> except >>>>>> the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at >>>>>> 300 >>>>>> DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but >>>>>> that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB >>>>>> from >>>>>> 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are >>>>> bigger... >>>>> >>>>> :-) :-) :-) >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> -- >>>>> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you >>>>> linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon May 18 22:10:33 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:10:33 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com><5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> <4A12091D.4040702@cox.net> <4A120D89.7030806@cox.net> Message-ID: <3F0455FAFAFB4C77AC0EBFACC7987D5D@master> Just as a comparison, I did the following: Black & white scan saved to TIFF file: 1.04MB Colour scan saved to JPEG file: 740KB Black & white scan saved directly to PDF file: 17KB Note however that the TIFF file used no compression at all. I could have chosen LZW or ZIP compression when I saved it in Photoshop, with approximately 90%+ reduction in file size. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fadden" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion > Strangely enough, I just scanned 1982-07, 64 pages. I did the pages with > color in color, and the rest greyscale, 300dpi. The total size of the > pages in jpeg images is 97 meg. I then used two different programs to > create a pdf document. Both were set for 300 dpi. 100% quality. one > converter made a pdf at 41meg, and the other turned out 168 meg! go > figure that out!... I looked at both of them with acroread and enlarged > to 1600% I couldn't tell the difference between the files. All pdf > creators are not equal!.. > > > Tim > > > > > Bob Devries wrote: >> I'm using ScanGear CS which came with my CanoScan 5200F scanner. It >> integrates into Adobe Acrobat Pro 6 through the TWAIN interface. >> >> I'm scanning in black & white at 300DPI. There are no other settings >> available in that mode. >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >> >> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >> the capacity to be his spokesman, >> so that I know how to help the weary. >> >> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fadden" >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion >> >> >>> There are lots of variables. Did the scanner do color, greyscale, or >>> line art? When the pdf was made, was it created at 300dpi, also there >>> are settings for % of quality. All of those affect the file size. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> Bob Devries wrote: >>>> HAHAHAHA, >>>> >>>> I was going to suggest that our scanners "downunder" are more >>>> efficient, but Dez is an Aussie too. Of course, he *IS* closer to the >>>> equator than I am..... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >>>> >>>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >>>> the capacity to be his spokesman, >>>> so that I know how to help the weary. >>>> >>>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >>>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" >>>> >>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:55 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >>>>>> I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines >>>>>> are >>>>>> so large. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages >>>>>> except >>>>>> the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at >>>>>> 300 >>>>>> DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but >>>>>> that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB >>>>>> from >>>>>> 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are >>>>> bigger... >>>>> >>>>> :-) :-) :-) >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> -- >>>>> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you >>>>> linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From zmerch-coco at 30below.com Mon May 18 22:37:09 2009 From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:37:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <4A116879.10806@att.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090518210836.014b42f8@mail.30below.com> Rumor has it that Frank Swygert may have mentioned these words: >Wonderful idea! Why not just adopt the cell-phone standards, even report >to the server that it's a cell-phone page? That would open up a lot of >existing services without requesting CoCo specific pages. There may be a >way to add something CoCo specific to the existing cell standards. I hate to be the "wet blanket" here, but for the most part, I wouldn't find the "intarweb" very useful for much on the CoCo (well... except possibly the CoCoNet concept that Roger Taylor's been waxing poetic about). If I want command-prompt Playboy.com, I have Linux's "links -g" with SVGAlib support. Text only, I have lynx on machines much faster than the CoCo. (I'm a big fan of that newfangled "ethernet" thingy. ;-) Email? I get more email every day than can fit in the RAM of my CoCo3. I have myriad overpowered systems (by non-gamer standards) for the Internet. I personally don't see the CoCo as the best tool for the job, and I (again, personally) would become frustrated very quickly trying to shoehorn minimal functionality in such a (for this purpose) underpowered machine. That said, I might consider the gopher protocol to be somewhat useful on the CoCo and I've postulated to others that if the gubbermint continues their current trend and becomes more than elbows deep WRT trying to control the internet and the fallacy that "trusted computing" entails, that the next possible outcome would basically be falling back to a FidoNet type of system created & supported by ubergeeks like us... But even in that scenario, I would probably do much more hacking on my (sorely underused) Amiga 4000T and my latest acquisition - one of the 3 machines I started serving my little corner of the Internet on - a Sun Netra i5 pizza box.[1] >Now we need a mini server box. Maybe a mini-ITX board.... [snippage] Despite my love (and sometimes lust) for all things non-intel, newegg.com has a really nice dual-core Atom mini-ITX board for $80, a case & 250W PS setup (that takes a 3.5" hard drive & a standard optical disk) for under $60 (which you could still populate with laptop parts if you were worried more about power savings than price) -- I've done a fair amount of research in the matter, and built a *schweet* mini-ITX system for my DJ business[2], and it falls down to "if I only had the cashola" to build (at least) one... ;-) If anyone has questions on the mini-ITX platform, I'd be happy to at least try to answer them offlist. Laterz! "Merch" [1] And, as the qmail mail server app hasn't changed much since that system was built, I'd easily still be able to host my Tandy Model 100 mailing list & personal websites on it... ;-) [2] IEI Kino 690S1 motherboard, 2.0Ghz single-core Turion, 512Meg RAM (up to 4G), smallest case I could find that still supported a lappy optical drive. Motherboard was almost $200, but I rescued the processor & RAM from a dropped laptop anyway & found a used SATA lappy HD cheap, which really swayed my purchasing decision. (and the Atom boards weren't out yet - the 1.5GHz Via (cyrix) boards were nearly as expensive and less upgradeable - my ITX board can support dual-core Turions should they ever drop to a reasonable price. ;-) The board came with source code drivers for the sound (impotent for a DJ box) but *only* for the 2.4 kernel, and my partner in the bidness is afraid of computers. It runs XP with an available DJ package for now, until I can make him "unafraid" of linux. ;-) -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Bugs of a feather flock together." sysadmin, Iceberg Computers | Russell Nelson zmerch at 30below.com | From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Mon May 18 22:47:40 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:47:40 -0600 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: <3F0455FAFAFB4C77AC0EBFACC7987D5D@master> References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com><5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> <4A12091D.4040702@cox.net> <4A120D89.7030806@cox.net> <3F0455FAFAFB4C77AC0EBFACC7987D5D@master> Message-ID: <1F6BFDCE-ABEC-47BE-BEA6-C17A6C6B2A49@gmail.com> On May 18, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > Just as a comparison, I did the following: > > Black & white scan saved to TIFF file: 1.04MB > Colour scan saved to JPEG file: 740KB > Black & white scan saved directly to PDF file: 17KB Is that JPEG the old cosine transform version or the newer JPEG2000 wavelet version? I've scanned a few game manuals, but my goal has been to retain the scanned images in a lossless format within the PDF. Typically, I've used 600 dpi LZW-compressed TIFF for black & white, and 300 dpi JPEG2000 lossless for color. Yeah, my file sizes are large, but I can always redistill them into a smaller format at some point in future as needed. So if anyone needs an uber-high quality PDF copy of the Dungeons of Daggorath manual, let me know! ;-) -- JP From zmerch-coco at 30below.com Mon May 18 23:03:33 2009 From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:03:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CoCo Items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090518230050.03e0a078@mail.30below.com> Rumor has it that wo1now may have mentioned these words: >Hey, >... and some repair parts (transformer, wafer keyboard, and some >other items). If you don't mind a dummy asking a question: What's a "wafer keyboard?" Is this a CoCo1 chicklet keyboard, or a specialized diagnostic device? If the latter, I would be interested in it. Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein zmerch at 30below.com | From zmerch-coco at 30below.com Mon May 18 23:19:46 2009 From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:19:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CoCo Items In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20090518230050.03e0a078@mail.30below.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090518231757.04762e68@mail.30below.com> Rumor has it that Roger Merchberger may have mentioned these words: >If you don't mind a dummy asking a question: What's a "wafer keyboard?" And if you don't mind a dummy saying.. I apologize for the late post, I goofed up & didn't notice that I had my mail sorted by sender temporarily instead of by receive date. This was a rather old post. Sorry! "Merch" -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein zmerch at 30below.com | From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon May 18 23:46:43 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:46:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> Message-ID: <200905182346.43642.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 18 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines are so >large. That is because even though you are scanning text, its being saved as a bitmapped image and that can easily be 200-4000 times the size of the ascii text itself. 2000 characters can moderately well fill a magazine page. The scan of that same page at good resolution can run over a gigabyte a page, and certainly over 100 megs even at lower resolutions. >I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages except the >front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at 300 DPI. They >are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but that's another >story)... but they are not text searchable. Because they don't contain the text, but the bitmapped images of the characters. >Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB from 76 >pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. And I have read just this spring, a 756 page book, published as a .pdf, that is 3965952 bytes. That is just under 4 megabytes for 756 pages with only a few line art drawings as chapter headers. Pdf, if it starts with the original text, first does a heavy compression on that text which can reduce text with a common 'dictionary' to less than 10% of its original size. When it has to deal with what is almost random data in a scanned bitmap image, it is dealing with a relatively huge file per page, and will have extreme difficulty achieving even a 50% compression ratio with data that is comparatively random. If you really want small files, the _only_ way to get them is to do the scan at 600 dpi or more giving an OCR program as much help as you can, and then OCR it to convert it back into the ascii text, possibly with some markup if the OCR can truly recognize the precise font used in the original. OCR's aren't that good, and likely never will be. Below 300dpi input they are not that accurate, 600 is better, and 1200 is even better. The images will be huge at 1200, but those can be nuked once the OCR is done and edited. The OCR output will quite likely need corrections so its going to be very time consuming, particularly since many of the code listings published were printed by an early shack dot matrix printer, and those things don't have a separate el from a 1, nor a recognizable font that matches anything used in publishing, or even on this screen I'm looking at. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "Do you believe in intuition?" "No, but I have a strange feeling that someday I will." From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon May 18 23:47:41 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:47:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com> References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <200905182347.42406.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 18 May 2009, John W. Linville wrote: >On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:50:01AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >> I have difficulty understanding why the PDF files of these magazines are >> so large. >> >> I have scanned some of my copies of Australian Rainbow. All pages except >> the front and back covers are black & white, and I scanned them at 300 >> DPI. They are readable... as much as the originals were readable (but >> that's another story)... but they are not text searchable. >> >> Of the 30 magazines I scanned, the largest PDF file size was 6939KB from >> 76 pages (275mm x 205mm) and the smallest 1800KB from 60 pages. > >Perhaps you are measuring using metric bytes? I think they are bigger... > >:-) :-) :-) > >John Chuckle, giggle even, but shame on you John. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to do a logical right shift? A: 33. 1 to hold the bits and 32 to push the register. From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Tue May 19 00:43:22 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:43:22 -0700 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20090518210836.014b42f8@mail.30below.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090518210836.014b42f8@mail.30below.com> Message-ID: <4A1238EA.70901@bjork-huffman.net> Roger Merchberger wrote: > I hate to be the "wet blanket" here, Then don't be. I've ready started working on a packet server that would let a CoCo send information to other CoCo user via the Internet. This protocol will either deliver the packet right away if the intended CoCo is also on the Internet or hold it till they got on. This type of protocol will be great for a Chess Game to running a live chat. The best part is that a CoCo BASIC program (that you create) could use the Internet to send information to a selected CoCo. A bit better than some old text protocol? Steve (Zaxxon) Bjork From t.fadden at cox.net Tue May 19 01:09:18 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:09:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <4A1238EA.70901@bjork-huffman.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090518210836.014b42f8@mail.30below.com> <4A1238EA.70901@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <4A123EFE.8000200@cox.net> Steve Bjork wrote: > Roger Merchberger wrote: >> I hate to be the "wet blanket" here, > Then don't be. > > I've ready started working on a packet server that would let a CoCo > send information to other CoCo user via the Internet. This protocol > will either deliver the packet right away if the intended CoCo is also > on the Internet or hold it till they got on. > > This type of protocol will be great for a Chess Game to running a live > chat. The best part is that a CoCo BASIC program (that you create) > could use the Internet to send information to a selected CoCo. > > A bit better than some old text protocol? > > Steve (Zaxxon) Bjork > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > That would be pretty cool. Have apps like unix/talk for chatting, or how about wall/rwall to send a message to all your friends at once! I take it this is running on a pc or some such. Have you seen the telnet BBs server? Runs on windows, and connects to the coco on the serial port. It looks like a modem, and accepts IP addresses from the coco term program connects to it. I use it to log into my coco from work. It could be used for coco to coco communication via the net also. Only problem I have seen with it so far is that it does not pass binary files through. ascii works great. Use cuts to covert everything to ascii before transfering is one solution. oops there I go rambling again. Tim From tvefoo at yahoo.com Tue May 19 03:06:16 2009 From: tvefoo at yahoo.com (Tveo Loatouse) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 00:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow and Linux Message-ID: <412181.27629.qm@web58101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all, Thanks to Tim, Bill, and everyone else for organizing and uploading the magazines. Don't know if any of you seen my other post, about getting rid of windows. Guess what? I did and I'm happy I did it. Ended up with MS-DOS 6.22 and slamd64. I got rid of Fedora because it seems to be slower and more. I like slamd64 with the KDE desktop. I need to find out how to get my DVD drives to auto mount when I put a disk in, with multiple kinds of content. Now I have to mount and umount to access them. Also, I have to get the sound system to auto start when I start my desktop because I have to run this: alsamixer to get any sound. Any tips. Thanks. Tvefoo. From deek at d2dc.net Tue May 19 05:17:05 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 05:17:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: pdf to djvu conversion solved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A127911.4010404@d2dc.net> stinger30au wrote: > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: >> >> ok, >> just did another test. same file but i increased the dpi from 300 to 400 for the djvu file >> >> the file size for the djvu file jumped from 16 gig to 25 gig but *MAN* the text quality is spot on now. now more blurry text. >> >> yippie. >> >> not bad from my original pdf of 96 megabyte >> >> so if anyone wants to go nuts converting pdf files to djvu files please do so, but do it at 400 dpi not 300. I don't know what software you're using, but I would advise never EVER using pdf2djvu, or the Win32 version "pdf2djvu GUI" for scanned documents; it's actually worse than doing nothing! All it does is shrink the source file to 100dpi and run wavelet compression on the result. This is NOT a real DjVu file. The only Windows software even worth looking at, in my experience, is the original Lizardtech "Document Express" software. It's not as tweakable as the stuff I'm working with (which requires a *nix of some sort), but it's much faster and it produces results that are quite good. It is, after all, the same program the professionals use. From deek at d2dc.net Tue May 19 05:22:06 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 05:22:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A127A3E.2090608@d2dc.net> stinger30au wrote: > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Mike Pepe" wrote: >> >> What is the benefit of turning a 300dpi PDF into a 400dpi djvu? Why >> increase the resolution? >> > > > Mike, > i answered this question yesterday > > djvu is a "lossy format" > > if you take a 300dpi pdf & convert to 300 dpi djvu, you lose resolution and the text is blurry.this is due to th compression technique djvu uses. > > if you wind up the resolution of the djvu to 400dpi the loss of quality is very small and the text is much sharper & jut as good as a 300 dpi pdf. > > when i finish scanning the remainder of the aussie coco magazines i have and it will take me about 3 or 4 weeks maybe i will upload a pdf version of one just for you to do some tests on it yourself. This is just wrong. pdf2djvu is the culprit, not djvu. From deek at d2dc.net Tue May 19 05:33:05 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 05:33:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: <1B5C2AE850DE4732942DC872295A50FE@master> References: <9441CB3FE9764AF59B810D16E69321FD@master> <20090518235545.GA2703@tuxdriver.com><5AF3652426E4432D9C71CB5D76C19064@master> <4A12091D.4040702@cox.net> <4A120D89.7030806@cox.net> <1B5C2AE850DE4732942DC872295A50FE@master> Message-ID: <4A127CD1.4050703@d2dc.net> Bob Devries wrote: > Tim, > I'm wondering if the difference is that I am scanning directly to PDF, not > first creating a JPEG file? No, you're not actually scanning directly to PDF (that's impossible, since PDF is vector-based, not raster-based like scans are). Your scans are either in JPEG or TIFF format (or both, depending on the page), embedded inside a PDF container on the fly. The difference in size can be attributed to two things: JPEG quality settings in the compressor, and your use of 1-bit black and white instead of 24-bit color (which, all other things being equal, results in 24 times more raster data) For most kinds of document preservation, purely black and white (or even greyscale) scans of documents are considered unacceptable. For anything black and white, there's no point in converting to DjVu because it's already as small as it's ever going to get (and as a correlary, it's also time to locate better scans). From deek at d2dc.net Tue May 19 05:52:38 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 05:52:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow magazines wanted for scanning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A128166.6090300@d2dc.net> Arthur Flexser wrote: > Are you sure you mean 10-25 TIMES smaller than PDF, and not 10-25 PERCENT > smaller? I looked at the Wikipedia article, and it cites an external > link ("DjVu vs. PDF comparison") where DjVu came out 25% better than > PDF. Wikipedia itself simply says, "it gives smaller files than PDF > for most scanned documents," which seems like a very weak statement if > DjVu is really typically 10 to 25 TIMES better in compression. Done properly, the results are about a tenth the size for _scanned_ document. For other stuff, you *might* save 25%. Unfortunately, the software everyone seems to be using should almost be outlawed, it really is that bad. From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Tue May 19 06:18:46 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:18:46 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] the secret to scanning magazines for archival purposes Message-ID: The secret to high quality scanning by Dez the Coconut in Australia Ok folks, there has been much talking about the scanning that everyone has done and there is a number of scans for the rainbow magazine. There is some ok quality, good quality and pretty amazing quality. Here's how I do my scanning and hopefully someone might learn from my experiences thus for from the last 5 months First off, start off with a copy of Ubuntu Linux from www.ubuntu.com you can download it via torrent or ftp or even request a free cd copy of it or hunt and see if there is a Linux user group and maybe someone there will have a copy they will gladly let you have a copy of the choice is yours if you want to install ubuntu to internal hdd or usb memory stick or what ever. Theres tons of ways to do it. Help is at www.ubuntuforums.org or you can email me. Im no expert at it but I have installed it to external hdd, external thumbdrive, dual boot off one hdd and dual hdd too. And for what we want to do you could even argue the fact that you dont even need to install ubuntu anyhow so once ubuntu is installed, in using 9.04 currently on one and 8.04 on the other you need to fireup shell shell is the command line, just like OS9 or messy, oops , msdos, only shell is much more powerful with a bit of luck you can plug your usb scanner in and ubuntu will recognise it and were in business. If it doesn't work and you need to install drivers.... don't ask me. I have no idea. Ask at www.ubuntuforums.org ok, now we need to install the scanner software that I use its called "gscan2pdf" it is an open-source bit of gear and it does exactly what I need standing on is head its homepage is here http://gscan2pdf.sourceforge.net/ to install it from shell type in sudo apt-get install gscan2pdf while your at it , install pdftk as well, its the PDF slicer/dicer/boxer I use to manipulate all my PDF files with sudo apt-get install pdftk and we will also need pdf2djvu so once we have our high quality PDF we can convert to djvu at 400 dpi and save mobs of space and have very detailed documents as well soa gin from shell we type in sudo apt-get install pdf2djvu ok well that's all the tools we need lets go scanning fire-up gscan2pdf and click the scan button. With a bit of luck your usb scanner will be auto-magically picked and you will see it and some settings to change my main scanner im using is a HP scan-jett 6300 with 25 sheet adf ? automatic document feeder ? like a fax machine for the ones whodon'tt know what an adf is. I can select the speed I want to scan at I always select the fastest next is resolution I always select 300 next is the mode of scan we have line-art half-tone grey-scale colour line-art is essentially a black and white scan with very little difference in the colour of black/grey this is great to use on pages that are essentially just plain black. DONT USE THIS MODE IF PHOTOS ARE ON THE PAGE. They look horrid in this mode. This mode takes up only a little space. half-tone will take a very dark black original piece of paper and when scan turn it in to a very dull looking grey picture on your pc. Who knows they you will ever need this mode for. Grey scale. Use this mode if you have a black/white mag or newspaper and there's photos on the page. This mode will give you quite good looking b/w reproduction and looks magic.this mode takes up a fair-bit of space, but not as bad as full colour full colour.... well I think this is self explanatory ok so here's how I crank out a scanned magazine scan about 10 to 20 pages and then save now when saving there is a number of options to save your scanned pages youuu can save aindividualll page or save the entire lot and you have the choice as to wehter or not you use jpeg or a feotherer formats as well. >From my experiments I have found that when saving to PDF I use the compression method of jpeg. Jpeg is a "lossy format" so to combat the loss of quality I save at 84% quality. If I save at 85% quality the file size jumps to amazing proportions, so I leave it at 84% so repeat this scanning process for your book and you will wind up with your data saved in a directory and file names that look like this my.magazine.part1.pdf my.magazine.part2.pdf my.magazine.part3.pdf my.magazine.part4.pdf my.magazine.part5.pdf ok so for argument sake we will say that each file was 20 pages in it and is 20 megabyte long so when all joined together we will have a single PDF 100meg long and all pages in numerical order so to archive this we fire-up shell again and go in to the directory where we saved our files and fire-up pdftk http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ pdftk lets us do all sorts of groovy stuff to PDF files. We are going to use it to join our individual files together and make one. It will do this standing on its head. It has numerous groove features, but I wont go in to that here ok so from shell we type in pdftk my. And now e press the tab button on our keyboard and like magic we will now have in front of our very eyes pdftk my.magazine.part told you shell was powerful. It scanned the directory and magically added in the "magazine.part" for us now we press 1 so we now have pdftk my.magazine.part1 now we press tab button again and we now have in-front of us pdftk my.magazine.part1.pdf smart ain't it. For very little time/effort we are getting our files in so no we repeat the process of hitting tab and pressing 2 3 4 5 when needed and in a matter of seconds we scan type in this command line pdftk my.magazine.part1.pdf my.magazine.part2.pdf my.magazine.part3.pdf my.magazine.part4.pdf my.magazine.part5.pdf lets see you type this in on a standard windows command line and see how slowly you do it. LOL! Next we need to tell pdftk that we are going to join all files together in to one giant file so we add this cat output my.magazine.pdf verbose this is the bit we add to the end of what we typed so our entire command line will read like this pdftk my.magazine.part1.pdf my.magazine.part2.pdf my.magazine.part3.pdf my.magazine.part4.pdf my.magazine.part5.pdf cat output my.magazine.pdf the verbose command at the end tells shell to echo to the screen what the program is doing. This saves you guessing what the heck is going on. Cos if you don't do this when you press enter you get no feedback from the program so press enter and watch the pages fly by. In a matter of seconds you will back at your command prompt with a flashing cursor. No look at the directory and you will see the final bit of gear called my.magazine.pdf open it up with document viewer and scroll down and admire the 100 page document you have pieced together. Now.. have a lookie at the file size. I get it will be around 110 megabyte or perhaps a little more. so. now to convert this to djvu format and keep the high quality pages but lose the file size and make it smaller so fire-up shell and type in pdf2djvu -o my.magazine.djvu -d400 -v my.magazine.pdf ok to explain this a little we have told the program that the output file will be called my.magazine.djvu we told it we want it to compress using 400 dpi with this -d400 we told it we want to see some output to the screen so we know that the heck is going on -v and we told it the name of our original file is my.magazine.pdf now press enter. You will see something like this aussie.coco.june.1988.pdf: - page #1 -> #1: - image size: 3199x4332 - 353010 bytes out - page #2 -> #2: image size: 3199x4332 (I have deleted many pages out of this bit) - 341857 bytes out - page #76 -> #76: - image size: 3167x4332 - 450144 bytes out 0.210 bits/pixel; 3.858:1, 74.08% saved, 105702515 bytes in, 27394816 bytes out so you get the idea. Now look in the directory and you will see your .djvu file and your original PDF pieces and your final PDF. Ditch the files that are the .part1.pdf stuff and keep the pdf and djvu files. Dont destroy the PDF files. PDF file originals are easier to work with then djvu files. So do any editing to the PDF and then remake the djvu file. Piece of cake. Hope this might help someone else who wants to do their own scanning From farna at att.net Tue May 19 07:13:17 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:13:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 1984 djvu conversion Message-ID: <4A12944D.3090102@att.net> Part of the reason your scans are smaller is as Tim suggested -- some converters aren't as efficient as others. I suspect the bigger part is that you're using black and white (line art) scanning. I always use greyscale unless I need color. Greyscale and color (especially color!) files will always be bigger. Black and white scans are usually "grainy" and pick up every little spec on the page, making it harder to read. They typically take a lot of cleaning up to be really clear, and I find the text to be too jagged. It does make for a small scanned file though. With greyscale you can use a photo editor and adjust tone, contrast, "noise", and sharpness to get much better text. I use Corel PhotoPaint as it has a lot of filters to clean the pages up, a moire pattern filter mainly. I find Corel PhotoPaint a lot easier to use than Adobe PhotoShop. The GIMP might be as good/easy, haven't tried it yet. One of these days I'm going over to Linux... ----------- Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:29:45 +1000 From: "Bob Devries" I'm using ScanGear CS which came with my CanoScan 5200F scanner. It integrates into Adobe Acrobat Pro 6 through the TWAIN interface. I'm scanning in black & white at 300DPI. There are no other settings available in that mode. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Tue May 19 09:08:11 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:08:11 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] joining long pages together..something to think about Message-ID: this idea at the moment is a low priority for me, but in the next few weeks its level of importance will rise i have at the moment 4 aussie coco magazines that are 20cm wide and almost 35 cm long the length is too long to fit all on to a standard A4 scanner and i dont have the cash to buy an A3 scanner. if i had an A3 scanner, getting these mags would be a piece of cake. you dont need my magazine copies to test this, you can do this yourself. i have done a test scan though of the first 2 pages of my book and if needed i can upload the images. heres what i did the first scan is the top 2/3 of the first page and saved as jpeg file called 1a.jpg 2nd scan is the remainder 1/3 or there about of the first page saved as 1b.jpg 3rd scan is top 2/3 of the 2nd page saved a jpeg called 2a.jpg 4th scan is the bottom 1/3 of the 2nd page saved as 2b.jpeg get the idea?? i hope so. anyhow. Tim F. on the list who scanned the 1992 and 1993 rainbows from newspaper to pdf did a similar method i believe and stitched them together. i cant remember exaqctly how he did it, he did tell me, but it was all done manually i believe thru a wysiwyg drawing package. Tim correct me if im wrong here please. anyhow. i was thinking there must be a better way for this to be done. i have emailed the author of the program "gscan2pdf" that i use to produce the pdf files of the mags i have been scanning. Jeff said his program at this point in time does not do it, but if i can come up with a command line that will do the trick he can implement the solution to the program to make it even better. so i went hunting and i found an open source program that might just do the trick its called "hugin" http://hugin.sourceforge.net/ this program is in the ubuntu repos and i have installed it this evening and had a quick test with the demo files from their web site and it works well. heres a challenge for someone. see if you can find a command line for this program that will take our scans say 1a.jpg and 1b.jpg and join them together to give 1.jpg 2a.jpg joins to 2b.jpg to give 2.jpg this would join the files together automagically and very quickly rather then do it by hand. *IF* this can be done, all that needs to be done then is to notify Jeff, the author of gscan2pdf and this feature can be added to the program and people worldwide will benefit from this who use the program. once we have the pages joined we can easily join them all together with pdftk and produce a pdf. im not sure if we can go stright from jpg file to djvu or not. that can be investigated further down the track. not a priority at this point in time. auto stitching the files is much higher on the importance list. let me know your discoveries folks.im keen to find something that works efficiently and saves man hours. From keeper63 at cox.net Tue May 19 12:27:08 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:08 -0700 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A12DDDC.5000602@cox.net> I am following this by a little, and thought I would inject my own thoughts on this subject. 1) First off, I say port the uIP stack: http://www.sics.se/~adam/uip/index.php/Main_Page It's very small - according to the docs "the code size is on the order of a few kilobytes and RAM usage can be configured to be as low as a few hundred bytes". 2) Implement this stack so that it can be used under either OS-9 and DECB. It might have to be limited to OS-9 - the tricky thing is it is written in C, and so it would either have to be done as a cross-compile (isn't there a form of gcc to cross-compile to the 6809?), or it will need to be ported to Microware C - for DECB, porting it might be an almost impossible (or very long and hair pulling) task. I don't know if there is a DECB C compiler out there (maybe the object code could be pulled from what the Microware compiler creates). 3) The stack should be able to be set up to communicate with the network via one of the serial ports (bit banger or RS-232 cartridge), or over the DriveWire or Roger's Wireless pak. This setup should probably be done in such a manner so that the user can decide which to use; if it is made modular, then we can add extra devices in the future should they become available (ie, a real network interface card, for example). 4) It would likely have to be limited to use on a CoCo 3, or on a CoCo 2 with 64/32k (smaller CoCo systems might be too small, but we might not really know the truth until the stack was implemented). Once we had a working stack (with at least telnet working), then we could start writing other applications to communicate using it. As far as a web browser is concerned, I do believe that it needs to be a very cut-down system, the CoCo doesn't have the memory or speed to do anything too fancy. We should probably stick to something like WAP, but even smaller - I am going to call it uHTML (Micro HTML: HTML pared down drastically). I would say the browser should be able to render the bare-bones basic tags needed for HTML presentation, maybe allow super simple forms capability, and maybe even a small amount of graphics (like 1-2 bpp images, no larger than 160x160, yield 3-6 kb image sizes). The data would come from a server set up to serve it; maybe someone could write an Apache module, or maybe one of the tiny open-source web servers could be modified to serve this special form of HTML (maybe someone has already did it for one of the other 8-bit micros?). Lastly: regarding using a mini-ITX box to convert pages or do other stuff... Such a setup would be overkill. Yes, we are going to likely need a "pass-through" system for the CoCo because we don't have a real network card yet. But this pass-through system doesn't have to be complex, and it doesn't have to be standalone - the system could likely be any nearby PC. It just needs to interface its serial port with the CoCo's, and translate the communications over to a TCP/UDP port, which would then communicate with the rest of the network. Now, of course, this is where we get into what could be done and how much you want this to be a CoCo thing. What I outlined above would make it mostly CoCo based. If you wanted to simplify the above, then implement the uIP stack on a microcontroller, and communicate with that, then have that communicate with the rest of the network via ethernet (plenty of easy to use microcontroller ethernet chipset interfaces out there). Or, implement the system on a BeagleBoard (its a very small embeddable system - almost like PC/104, but it has everything on-board, and it is really cheap), and stuff the BeagleBoard in the CoCo or in a cartridge. I hope the above spurs more discussion and thought, and I wish I had the time, energy, money, and time to help implement it (don't we all!). Right now, other projects and things are taking priority, so all I can offer is words, unfortunately... -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From jasonb1963 at yahoo.com Tue May 19 03:52:18 2009 From: jasonb1963 at yahoo.com (jasonb1963) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:52:18 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Mike Pepe" wrote: > > > > What is the benefit of turning a 300dpi PDF into a 400dpi djvu? Why > > increase the resolution? > > > > > Mike, > i answered this question yesterday > > djvu is a "lossy format" > > if you take a 300dpi pdf & convert to 300 dpi djvu, you lose resolution and the text is blurry.this is due to th compression technique djvu uses. > > if you wind up the resolution of the djvu to 400dpi the loss of quality is very small and the text is much sharper & jut as good as a 300 dpi pdf. > > when i finish scanning the remainder of the aussie coco magazines i have and it will take me about 3 or 4 weeks maybe i will upload a pdf version of one just for you to do some tests on it yourself. > Meanwhile the 300DPI DJVU conversion of the January 1989 issue of Rainbow magazine is up on excalibur for comparison's sake. BTW, Dez, the PDF format supports a number of different compression methods, some of which are lossy and some of which are not. Depending on how your particular application is configured, you may or may not have any control over this (Adobe Acrobat allows you to control all of these options if you like, but it can be confusing until you spend a lot of time exploring all the options and see how they interact with your completed documents). Also, I believe PDF "vectorizes" images (represents them as lines) whereas DJVU rasterizes images (represents them as dots) which is a fundamental difference in how they operate. PDF gives excellent results for text documents but is less efficient for images and for scanned documents than DJVU. They are both good at what they do, but for archiving older scanned documents, DJVU is hard to beat. You might experiment a bit with the anti-aliasing option on DJVU to see if you are able to reduce the blurring you see at 300DPI. If not, then your approach of going to a higher resolution seems like a reasonable alternative. -- Jason From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue May 19 14:51:14 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:51:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines needed Message-ID: <012401c9d8b2$ce86f860$6b94e920$@rr.com> I know we've been asking time and time again, but maybe there are some NEW names on the list who haven't heard. We still need Hot Coco magazines, Color Computer Magazines, and Rainbow Magazines for our archives. We have: Hot Coco: 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12 - 1982 ALL - 1985 1, 2 - 1986 I don't know it was published after 86, but everything is welcome Rainbow: 1981 - 7 8 9 10 11 12 1982 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 1983 - 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1984 - All 1985 - All 1986 - All 1987 - All 1988 - All 1989 - All 1990 - All 1991 - All 1992 - All 1993 - 1 2 3 4 5 Color Computer Magazines: 1983 - 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Also, any Rainbow on Tape, Rainbow on Disk, Hot Coco on Tape, and Hot Coco on Disk are very welcome. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From tjseagrove at writeme.com Tue May 19 16:10:27 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:10:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines needed In-Reply-To: <012401c9d8b2$ce86f860$6b94e920$@rr.com> References: <012401c9d8b2$ce86f860$6b94e920$@rr.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c9d8bd$dcccfd10$9666f730$@com> The last of the needed Rainbows in the hands of someone who is scanning them. They should be available soon. I just completed formatting the 4 issues of The Gamers Connection. I will upload tonight or tomorrow. Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] Magazines needed I know we've been asking time and time again, but maybe there are some NEW names on the list who haven't heard. We still need Hot Coco magazines, Color Computer Magazines, and Rainbow Magazines for our archives. We have: Hot Coco: 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12 - 1982 ALL - 1985 1, 2 - 1986 I don't know it was published after 86, but everything is welcome Rainbow: 1981 - 7 8 9 10 11 12 1982 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 1983 - 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1984 - All 1985 - All 1986 - All 1987 - All 1988 - All 1989 - All 1990 - All 1991 - All 1992 - All 1993 - 1 2 3 4 5 Color Computer Magazines: 1983 - 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Also, any Rainbow on Tape, Rainbow on Disk, Hot Coco on Tape, and Hot Coco on Disk are very welcome. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/19/09 06:21:00 From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Tue May 19 17:51:54 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:51:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30905180641m5fc43cc3se5b444a3b3012bb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905180823.36870.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <4c56cbd30905180641m5fc43cc3se5b444a3b3012bb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905191651.54153.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Monday 18 May 2009 08:41:51 James Dessart wrote: > On 5/18/09, richec wrote: > > Isn't there a text base browser out there called Lynx or something like > > that? With todays graphics oriented sites, text will leave a lot to be > > desired, but I believe that this could be a viable alternative for the > > CoCo. Sooo... as you said, lets get it started. > > You would think a text-based browser would be small, wouldn't you? > Lynx isn't small. Is that because it has to filter out the graphics? I really did not consider the size of the proggy when I made my suggestion. I was focused in on the limited CoCo graphical abilities. Are you saying the Lynx is larger than say... Firefox or Opera? From t.fadden at cox.net Tue May 19 17:45:41 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:45:41 -0700 Subject: [Coco] So, would you like a little Internet with your CoCo? In-Reply-To: <200905191651.54153.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200905180823.36870.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <4c56cbd30905180641m5fc43cc3se5b444a3b3012bb1@mail.gmail.com> <200905191651.54153.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A132885.3060501@cox.net> There is already a lynx for os9 on the coco. I used to use it a lot a long time ago, I will have to see if I can find it again. Tim richec wrote: > On Monday 18 May 2009 08:41:51 James Dessart wrote: > >> On 5/18/09, richec wrote: >> >>> Isn't there a text base browser out there called Lynx or something like >>> that? With todays graphics oriented sites, text will leave a lot to be >>> desired, but I believe that this could be a viable alternative for the >>> CoCo. Sooo... as you said, lets get it started. >>> >> You would think a text-based browser would be small, wouldn't you? >> Lynx isn't small. >> > > Is that because it has to filter out the graphics? I really did not consider > the size of the proggy when I made my suggestion. I was focused in on the > limited CoCo graphical abilities. Are you saying the Lynx is larger than > say... Firefox or Opera? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From deek at d2dc.net Tue May 19 18:18:07 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:18:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: pdf to djvu conversion solved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A13301F.70806@d2dc.net> stinger30au wrote: > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: >> >> ok, >> just did another test. same file but i increased the dpi from 300 to 400 for the djvu file >> >> the file size for the djvu file jumped from 16 gig to 25 gig but *MAN* the text quality is spot on now. now more blurry text. >> >> yippie. >> >> not bad from my original pdf of 96 megabyte >> >> so if anyone wants to go nuts converting pdf files to djvu files please do so, but do it at 400 dpi not 300. Here is a quick copy of the scripts I'm using to convert PDF to DjVu. It's done on a page-by-page basis, so that I can have a little more control over what's going into the foreground and background chunks. On the first pass, I set "thresh" to 3 in the python file and run "shrinkpdf2 *.jpg", then look at each of the djvu files that were created. I take note of the pages that are screwed up, then start tweaking for them (leaving the pages that were OK alone). The resulting files are only a little smaller than what's produced by the Lizardtech program (and not as good), but they're quite a bit smaller than pdf2djvu's output and the quality is much better (yes, they're both smaller AND better). For those who are interested in improving the process, I believe that after splitting up the channels, using the average color and the standard deviation of each channel might help in getting even smaller files and higher quality. But it's just a hunch. ~/bin/shrinkpdf2: #! /bin/bash set -e me=$(basename $0) function setsize () { width=$1 height=$2 } function pdftoppm () { local page=$1 local infile=$2 local outfile=$3 pdfimages -j -f $page -l $page "$infile" "$page" convert $page-* -append ppm:- | pnmdepth 255 > "$outfile" rm $page-* } function makemask3 () { [ -z "$GIMPOPTS" ] && GIMPOPTS="idf" gimp -${GIMPOPTS}sb "(python-fu-maskconvert-cmyk RUN-NONINTERACTIVE \"$1\" $DPI $HQ)" } function makeparts () { fgquality=96 if [ $HQ -ne 0 ]; then fgquality=102 fi c44 -slice $fgquality -mask "$1.fgmask" "$1.fgppm" "$1.fgtmp" c44 -slice 72+11+10+10 -mask "$1.bgmask" "$1.bgppm" "$1.bgtmp" djvuextract "$1.fgtmp" "BG44=$1.fg" djvuextract "$1.bgtmp" "BG44=$1.bg" cjb2 -clean $1.mask $1.jb2 } function delfiles () { [ -z "$SAVE" ] && rm "$1".* true } files="" [ ! -z "$1" ] && files="$@" [ -z "$DPI" ] && DPI=300 [ -z "$HQ" ] && HQ=0 for arg in $files; do case $arg in *.jpg) ext="jpg" ;; *.jpeg) ext="jpeg" ;; *.ppm) ext="ppm" ;; *.tif) ext="tif" ;; *.tiff) ext="tiff" ;; esac base=$(basename "$arg" .$ext) djvu="$base.djvu" echo "$arg => $djvu" makemask3 "$arg" makeparts "$arg" djvumake "$djvu" INFO=,,$DPI "Sjbz=$arg.jb2" "FG44=$arg.fg" BG44=$arg.bg if [ -f "$base.dsed" ]; then djvused $djvu -f "$base.dsed" -s fi delfiles "$arg" done .gimp-2.6/plug-ins/convert_to_cmyk_mask.py: #! /usr/bin/env python from gimpfu import * import glob import math import os global mask def linear_fraction (frac, maximum=255): return round (frac * float(maximum)) def scale_factor (dpi, wanted): return max (1, min (math.floor (dpi / float(wanted)), 12)) def min_frac (denominator): return 1 / float(denominator) def max_frac (denominator): return float(denominator - 1) / float(denominator) def save (img, basename): pdb.gimp_image_flatten (img) if not img.active_drawable.is_rgb: # it's grayscale, a mask temp = basename + '.tmp' pdb.file_pgm_save (img, img.active_drawable, temp, temp, 1) os.system ("pgmtopbm " + temp + ">" + basename) os.remove (temp) else: pdb.file_ppm_save (img, img.active_drawable, basename, basename, 1) def scale_and_save_cmyk (name, img, factor, notFG): global mask global thresh width = math.ceil (img.width / factor) # always round up, djvulibre tools do too height = math.ceil (img.height / factor) lmask = 0 pdb.gimp_edit_copy (img.active_drawable) new = pdb.gimp_edit_paste_as_new () new.disable_undo () # disp = gimp.Display (new) if img == mask: # we're scaling the mask itself, do some processing frac = 1.0 - thresh # we use the opposite threshold here if notFG == True: frac += 0.03 # add 3% more to the background mask pdb.gimp_threshold (new.active_drawable, linear_fraction (frac), 255) if factor != 1: pdb.gimp_image_scale_full (new, width, height, INTERPOLATION_LANCZOS) pdb.gimp_threshold (new.active_drawable, linear_fraction (1.0 - (1.0 / float(factor))), 255) if notFG: # invert the mask if it's not the foreground pdb.gimp_invert (new.active_drawable) else: if factor != 1: pdb.gimp_image_scale_full (new, width, height, INTERPOLATION_LANCZOS) save (new, name) # del disp del new def save_scaled_files (name, dpi): global mask, fg, bg, hq wanted_fg_dpi = 100 wanted_bg_dpi = 50 if hq: wanted_bg_dpi = 100 bg_scale = scale_factor (dpi, wanted_bg_dpi) fg_scale = scale_factor (dpi, wanted_fg_dpi) scale_and_save_cmyk (name + ".mask", mask, 1, 2) scale_and_save_cmyk (name + ".fgmask", mask, fg_scale, False) scale_and_save_cmyk (name + ".bgmask", mask, bg_scale, True) scale_and_save_cmyk (name + ".fgppm", fg, fg_scale, False) scale_and_save_cmyk (name + ".bgppm", bg, bg_scale, True) def convert_to_cmyk_mask (pathglob, dpi=300, fine=False): global mask, fg, bg global thresh global hq hq = fine # This is the fraction of black we want to pull out of the background and put into the foreground. # We express this as the denominator of a fraction, where the numerator is one less. That is, # max_frac(4) == 3/4 or .75 and max_frac(32) == 31/32 or 0.96875 thresh = max_frac (3) # Use this for "normal" # thresh = max_frac (2) # to get light gray OUT of the foreground # thresh = max_frac (4) # More darkness, fine lines # thresh = max_frac (5) # usually gets "dark cyan" into the foreground # thresh = max_frac (6) # Front page of last Rainbow # thresh = max_frac (7) # thresh = max_frac (8) # thresh = max_frac (9) # This works _OK_ for the tabloids, mostly # Custom values for tweaking # thresh = 0.55 # thresh = 1.0/4.0 flist = glob.glob (pathglob) for curr in flist: fg = pdb.gimp_file_load (curr, curr) fg.disable_undo () # fgd = gimp.Display (fg) # cropping, don't leave this in # fg.crop (fg.width - 150, fg.height - 72, 0, 0) # Decompose to colors + black (c, m, y, k) = pdb.plug_in_decompose (fg, fg.active_drawable, 'CMYK', False) k.disable_undo () # kd = gimp.Display (k) pdb.gimp_edit_copy (k.active_drawable) mask = pdb.gimp_edit_paste_as_new () mask.disable_undo () # save some memory # maskd = gimp.Display (mask) # Smooth out the "bumps" and then fix the contrast pdb.gimp_invert (mask.active_drawable) pdb.plug_in_sel_gauss (mask, mask.active_drawable, 7.0, 48) pdb.gimp_levels_stretch (mask.active_drawable) # Use the mask to remove SOME of the black from the black channel, # then reassemble it into the background. layer = k.active_layer lmask = layer.create_mask (ADD_WHITE_MASK) layer.add_mask (lmask) pdb.gimp_edit_copy (mask.active_drawable) pdb.gimp_floating_sel_anchor (pdb.gimp_edit_paste (lmask, True)) pdb.gimp_threshold (lmask, linear_fraction (thresh), 255) # We want the background color to be black temporarily pdb.gimp_context_swap_colors () pdb.gimp_image_flatten (k) pdb.gimp_context_swap_colors () bg = pdb.plug_in_compose (c, c.active_drawable, m, y, k, "CMYK") # bgd = gimp.Display (bg) del (c, m, y, k) # del (kd) # Save and clean up pdb.gimp_invert (mask.active_drawable) save_scaled_files (curr, dpi) del (fg, bg, mask) # del (fgd, bgd, maskd) pdb.gimp_quit (1) register ( 'maskconvert-cmyk', 'Convert an RGB image to set of images and masks for DjVu conversion (CMYK version)', 'Convert an RGB image to set of images and masks for DjVu conversion (CMYK version)', 'Jeff Teunissen', 'Jeff Teunissen', '2009', 'CMYK Dj_Vu Mask', None, [ (PF_STRING, 'pathglob', 'Shell-style glob mask', '*.jpg'), (PF_INT32, 'dpi', 'Starting DPI', 300), (PF_INT32, 'fine', 'Use fine quality', 0) ], [], convert_to_cmyk_mask, menu='/File' ) main () From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue May 19 18:53:26 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:53:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) Message-ID: <013d01c9d8d4$a5479cd0$efd6d670$@rr.com> Here are the file sizes I'm uploading to MaltedMedia.com\incoming: Hot Coco uploads: 83 HC10-83.PDF 289,567,388 bytes HC11-83.PDF 300,120,950 bytes HC12-83.PDF 272,887,933 bytes HC6-83.PDF 299,670,218 bytes HC7-83.PDF 287,678,118 bytes HC9-83.PDF 291,444,584 bytes 85 HC1-85.PDF 157,059,130 bytes HC10-85.PDF 160,432,446 bytes HC11-85.PDF 138,003,028 bytes HC12-85.PDF 132,991,698 bytes HC2-85.PDF 165,732,769 bytes HC3-85.PDF 174,383,787 bytes HC4-85.PDF 162,245,149 bytes HC5-85.PDF 157,528,743 bytes HC6-85.PDF 162,794,289 bytes HC7-85.PDF 160,239,111 bytes HC8-85.PDF 153,436,942 bytes HC9-85.PDF 159,475,443 bytes 86 HC1-86.PDF 158,654,320 bytes HC2-86.PDF 148,259,733 bytes Color Computer uploads: CCM3-83.PDF 74,918,634 bytes CCM4-83.PDF 102,300,784 bytes CCM5-83.PDF 87,203,922 bytes CCM6-83.PDF 112,984,405 bytes CCM7-83.PDF 105,878,083 bytes CCM8-83.PDF 107,276,762 bytes CCM9-83.PDF 139,100,916 bytes CCM10-83.PDF 137,499,385 bytes CCM11-83.PDF 165,140,145 bytes CCM12-83.PDF 166,121,419 bytes ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue May 19 14:54:48 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:54:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Magazines needed for archives Message-ID: <012c01c9d8b3$4aae6ae0$e00b40a0$@rr.com> I know we've been asking time and time again, but maybe there are some NEW names on the list who haven't heard. We still need Hot Coco magazines, Color Computer Magazines, and Rainbow Magazines for our archives. We have: Hot Coco: 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12 - 1982 ALL - 1985 1, 2 - 1986 I don't know it was published after 86, but everything is welcome Rainbow: 1981 - 7 8 9 10 11 12 1982 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 1983 - 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1984 - All 1985 - All 1986 - All 1987 - All 1988 - All 1989 - All 1990 - All 1991 - All 1992 - All 1993 - 1 2 3 4 5 Color Computer Magazines: 1983 - 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Also, any Rainbow on Tape, Rainbow on Disk, Hot Coco on Tape, and Hot Coco on Disk are very welcome. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed May 20 10:43:19 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:43:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow for July '82 Message-ID: <018001c9d959$571ced00$0556c700$@rr.com> Did I miss this one, or is it not on any of the FTP sites?? ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed May 20 10:50:31 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow for July '82 In-Reply-To: <018001c9d959$571ced00$0556c700$@rr.com> References: <018001c9d959$571ced00$0556c700$@rr.com> Message-ID: <018501c9d95a$599ec070$0cdc4150$@rr.com> Sorry, found it.... > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:43 AM > To: Rainbow Archive > Subject: [Coco] Rainbow for July '82 > > Did I miss this one, or is it not on any of the FTP sites?? From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed May 20 15:07:48 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:07:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] MaltedMedia uploads (cont) Message-ID: <000501c9d97e$4aaae430$e000ac90$@rr.com> Uploading Hot Coco-1986 (Jan and Feb), followed by Color Computer Magazine ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Thu May 21 03:22:48 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:22:48 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "jasonb1963" wrote: > > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > > > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Mike Pepe" wrote: > > > > > > What is the benefit of turning a 300dpi PDF into a 400dpi djvu? Why > > > increase the resolution? > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > i answered this question yesterday > > > > djvu is a "lossy format" > > > > if you take a 300dpi pdf & convert to 300 dpi djvu, you lose resolution and the text is blurry.this is due to th compression technique djvu uses. > > > > if you wind up the resolution of the djvu to 400dpi the loss of quality is very small and the text is much sharper & jut as good as a 300 dpi pdf. > > > > when i finish scanning the remainder of the aussie coco magazines i have and it will take me about 3 or 4 weeks maybe i will upload a pdf version of one just for you to do some tests on it yourself. > > > > Meanwhile the 300DPI DJVU conversion of the January 1989 issue of Rainbow magazine is up on excalibur for comparison's sake. > > BTW, Dez, the PDF format supports a number of different compression methods, some of which are lossy and some of which are not. Depending on how your particular application is configured, you may or may not have any control over this (Adobe Acrobat allows you to control all of these options if you like, but it can be confusing until you spend a lot of time exploring all the options and see how they interact with your completed documents). Also, I believe PDF "vectorizes" images (represents them as lines) whereas DJVU rasterizes images (represents them as dots) which is a fundamental difference in how they operate. PDF gives excellent results for text documents but is less efficient for images and for scanned documents than DJVU. They are both good at what they do, but for archiving older scanned documents, DJVU is hard to beat. You might experiment a bit with the anti-aliasing option on DJVU to see if you are able to reduce the blurring you see at 300DPI. If not, then your approach of going to a higher resolution seems like a reasonable alternative. > > -- > Jason > i use gscan2pdf, open source app http://gscan2pdf.sourceforge.net/ there is many different types of compress i can use when saving pdf. after spending much time on this 5 months ago when i decied to undertake this incredible amount of scaning for us all i found that jpeg compression with 84% compression rate to save to pdf game me the best file size and best picture output. for arching purposes you want pdf originals , not djvu. reson being is pdf is much higher qulaity and easier to edit. use the pdf as your master copies. then take what ever sub copies you want from them in what ever format you like. pdf is a piece of cake to edit with tools like pdftk that i have at my disposal on my Ubuntu operating system that im using to crank this all out with. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu May 21 08:28:58 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:28:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Malted Media uploads Message-ID: <003101c9da0f$b7639090$262ab1b0$@rr.com> Well, I'm done. That's all I have, sorry it took so long. Thanks to stinger30au for all his help in compiling them and getting them to me. ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Thu May 21 08:33:33 2009 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:33:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability Message-ID: <200905211358.n4LDwQLX030260@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Hi all, I've only been marginally paying attention to the PDF-vs-DJVU discussion until I looked at my disk stats and saw that identical stuff is being uploaded in competing formats. In two weeks, CoCo archives have exploded from 9GB to 45 GB -- more space than all 40 domains there used in 11 years of operation: This is not a hosting complaint. It's an efficiency and usability complaint. You all know I'm happy to host CoCo files, but I do question an image-format experiment that duplicates large content with more large content. Bill's work is much appreciated, but how necessary is publication quality, high-res, color rasterizing of monochrome line art and text -- especially if it includes page-back shadows? Some publications to exceed 650MB. This is an inefficient use of space, but more importantly, it's a barrier to use. Aside from bots (which are blocked as quickly as I find them), how many everyday CoCo enthusiasts are going to download documents that large? Even some DJVU items exceed 100MB. (Yes, the server does support Flashget-style multiple connections as well as resume, but even so... dialup or capped bandwidth, anyone? That's why this CoCo list has a 48KB message limit.) Bill's done a lot of dedicated and much-appreciated work. For others in the future, though, I recommend optimizing each page to a usable size by using appropriate bit depth, color, brightness, contrast and resolutions settings -- before compiling the final publication. I've been doing extensive archival scanning since the 3-pass days; I still have (and use for'art') my absurd 3-pass battleship-size scanner from 1992. It had its own dedicated SCSI card running under Windows 3.1 and took work to produce good documents. On the other hand, modern scanner GUI control panels are excellent. Though it takes a few extra seconds per page, the settings really must be changed based on each page preview, producing a single PDF of each page at a time. For some pages, that means lower bit depth and monochrome. For others, it means changing brightness and contrast so the page itself is *white* (oh, yes!). Based on the results I've been looking at, the document size could have been 1/4 to 1/3 its present size simply by doing the latter -- avoiding the shadows of reverse pages which gets rasterized into hundreds of megabytes of garbage information. You can also tape on a black instead of a white backing panel to avoid this shadowing problem almost entirely from the start. Once there are separate PDFs for each page, they can be compiled into one (I use docPrint Pro). Believe me, having scanned quite literally thousands of documents (and worn out a dozen scanners in the process), I can tell you a little extra work up front will produce a more legible, smaller, and ultimately more usable document. Dennis Country Stores book! Bathory Opera libretto! "We Are All Mozart" From jasonb1963 at yahoo.com Thu May 21 04:58:15 2009 From: jasonb1963 at yahoo.com (jasonb1963) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:58:15 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Dez, --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > i use gscan2pdf, open source app >From http://djvu.org/resources/whatisdjvu.php: Over 90 percent of the information in the world is still on paper. Many of those paper documents include color graphics and/or photographs that represent significant invested value. And almost none of that rich content is on the Internet. That's because scanning such documents and getting them onto a Web site has been problematic at best. At the high resolution necessary to ensure the readability of the text and to preserve the quality of the images, file sizes become far too bulky for acceptable download speed. Reducing resolution to achieve satisfactory download speed means forfeiting quality and legibility. Conventional web formats such as JPEG, GIF, and PNG [formats used by Adobe's PDF format] produce prohibitively large image files at decent resolution. As a result, Web site content developers have been largely unable to leverage existing printed materials. DjVu (pronounced "d?j? vu") is a new image compression technology developed since 1996 at AT&T Labs to solve precisely that problem. DjVu allows the distribution on the Internet of very high resolution images of scanned documents, digital documents, and photographs. DjVu allows content developers to scan high-resolution color pages of books, magazines, catalogs, manuals, newspapers,historical or ancient documents, and make them available on the Web. [...] DjVu typically achieves compression ratios about 5 to 10 times better than existing methods such as JPEG and GIF for color documents, and 3 to 8 times than TIFF for black and white documents. Scanned pages at 300 DPI in full color can be compressed down to 30 to 100KB files from 25MB.. Black-and-white pages at 300 DPI typically occupy 5 to 30KB when compressed. This puts the size of high-quality scanned pages within the realm of an average HTML page (which is typically around 50KB). For color document images that contain both text and pictures, DjVu files are typically 5 to 10 times smaller than JPEG at similar quality. For black-and-white pages, DjVu files are typically 10 to 20 times smaller than JPEG and five times smaller than GIF. DjVu files are also about 3 to 8 times smaller than black and white PDF files produced from scanned documents (scanned documents in color are impractical in PDF). In addition to scanned documents, DjVu can also be applied to documents produced electronically in formats such as Adobe's PostScript or PDF. In that case, the file sizes are between 15 to 20KB per page at 300 DPI. [...] One of the main technologies behind DjVu is the ability to separate an image into a background layer (i.e., paper texture and pictures) and foreground layer (text and line drawings). Traditional image compression techniques are fine for simple photographs, but they drastically degrade sharp color transitions between adjacent highly contrasted areas - which is why they render type so poorly. By separating the text from the backgrounds, DjVu can keep the text at high resolution (thereby preserving the sharp edges and maximizing legibility), while at the same time compressing the backgrounds and pictures at lower resolution with a wavelet-based compression technique. DjVu is used by many commercial and non-commercial web sites on the Web today. End of excerpt. Sorry to be a bit verbose, but I've highlighted the main features that DjVu format offers over its competition (PDF). I understand the desire to use PDF because there are a lot more tools available for manipulating PDF documents than DjVu documents, but I think it's a mistake to say that PDF is better for archival purposes than DjVu. I believe the opposite is true. If you want archival grade images, then use DjVu format at 600DPI and you will preserve far more information (even the imperfections in the paper the page is printed on) than you would with a 300DPI PDF while at the same time winding up with a smaller (!) document in the end. In any event, I am very grateful for all the hard work you are putting into scanning these old magazines and I don't mean to be argumentative at all. I am just offering my opinions on the subject in the spirit of friendly suggestions. I have downloaded all of the 1989 issues of Rainbow and converted them to DjVu format. I am considering uploading them to excalibur if there is any interest. I have just used 300DPI myself because this looks comparable to the original PDFs at 300DPI to my eyes so far. -- Jason From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Thu May 21 18:09:40 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:09:40 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 1984 djvu conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "jasonb1963" wrote: > > Hi Dez, > > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > i use gscan2pdf, open source app > > From http://djvu.org/resources/whatisdjvu.php: > > Over 90 percent of the information in the world is still on paper. Many of those paper documents include color graphics and/or photographs that represent significant invested value. And almost none of that rich content is on the Internet. > > That's because scanning such documents and getting them onto a Web site has been problematic at best. At the high resolution necessary to ensure the readability of the text and to preserve the quality of the images, file sizes become far too bulky for acceptable download speed. Reducing resolution to achieve satisfactory download speed means forfeiting quality and legibility. Conventional web formats such as JPEG, GIF, and PNG [formats used by Adobe's PDF format] produce prohibitively large image files at decent resolution. As a result, Web site content developers have been largely unable to leverage existing printed materials. > > DjVu (pronounced "d?j? vu") is a new image compression technology developed since 1996 at AT&T Labs to solve precisely that problem. DjVu allows the distribution on the Internet of very high resolution images of scanned documents, digital documents, and photographs. DjVu allows content developers to scan high-resolution color pages of books, magazines, catalogs, manuals, newspapers,historical or ancient documents, and make them available on the Web. > > [...] > > DjVu typically achieves compression ratios about 5 to 10 times better than existing methods such as JPEG and GIF for color documents, and 3 to 8 times than TIFF for black and white documents. > > Scanned pages at 300 DPI in full color can be compressed down to 30 to 100KB files from 25MB.. Black-and-white pages at 300 DPI typically occupy 5 to 30KB when compressed. > > This puts the size of high-quality scanned pages within the realm of an average HTML page (which is typically around 50KB). > > For color document images that contain both text and pictures, DjVu files are typically 5 to 10 times smaller than JPEG at similar quality. For black-and-white pages, DjVu files are typically 10 to 20 times smaller than JPEG and five times smaller than GIF. DjVu files are also about 3 to 8 times smaller than black and white PDF files produced from scanned documents (scanned documents in color are impractical in PDF). > > In addition to scanned documents, DjVu can also be applied to documents produced electronically in formats such as Adobe's PostScript or PDF. In that case, the file sizes are between 15 to 20KB per page at 300 DPI. > > [...] > > One of the main technologies behind DjVu is the ability to separate an image into a background layer (i.e., paper texture and pictures) and foreground layer (text and line drawings). Traditional image compression techniques are fine for simple photographs, but they drastically degrade sharp color transitions between adjacent highly contrasted areas - which is why they render type so poorly. By separating the text from the backgrounds, DjVu can keep the text at high resolution (thereby preserving the sharp edges and maximizing legibility), while at the same time compressing the backgrounds and pictures at lower resolution with a wavelet-based compression technique. DjVu is used by many commercial and non-commercial web sites on the Web today. > > End of excerpt. > > Sorry to be a bit verbose, but I've highlighted the main features that DjVu format offers over its competition (PDF). I understand the desire to use PDF because there are a lot more tools available for manipulating PDF documents than DjVu documents, but I think it's a mistake to say that PDF is better for archival purposes than DjVu. I believe the opposite is true. If you want archival grade images, then use DjVu format at 600DPI and you will preserve far more information (even the imperfections in the paper the page is printed on) than you would with a 300DPI PDF while at the same time winding up with a smaller (!) document in the end. > > In any event, I am very grateful for all the hard work you are putting into scanning these old magazines and I don't mean to be argumentative at all. I am just offering my opinions on the subject in the spirit of friendly suggestions. > > I have downloaded all of the 1989 issues of Rainbow and converted them to DjVu format. I am considering uploading them to excalibur if there is any interest. I have just used 300DPI myself because this looks comparable to the original PDFs at 300DPI to my eyes so far. > > -- > Jason > im not getitng in to a debate over PDF or Djvu. im well aware of both formats and thier short falls. im also quite handy at looking up this kind of info via google or other search engines as well. the mean reason i investiaged djvu format was to decrese the size of the pdf files this was done as there was some who said the files were too big so i put forward the idea of posting what countries we lived in so those with slow net connections could contact us who posted out counties and get a set on dvd or the likes i did this twice and only the 2nd time did others join in and post their countires. the yahoo archive has history of this to show it. it landed on "deaf ears" so to speak as to the best of my knowledge no-one has been approached for a set of dvd's i wont be entering in to this debate any further. From operator at coco3.com Thu May 21 22:53:00 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:53:00 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability In-Reply-To: <200905211358.n4LDwQLX030260@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net > References: <200905211358.n4LDwQLX030260@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20090521214845.05dd3b20@coco3.com> At 07:33 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I've only been marginally paying attention to the PDF-vs-DJVU >discussion until I looked at my disk stats and saw that identical >stuff is being uploaded in competing formats. > >In two weeks, CoCo archives have exploded from 9GB to 45 GB -- more >space than all 40 domains there used in 11 years of operation: > > >This is not a hosting complaint. It's an efficiency and usability >complaint. You all know I'm happy to host CoCo files, but I do >question an image-format experiment that duplicates large content >with more large content. Bill's work is much appreciated, but how >necessary is publication quality, high-res, color rasterizing of >monochrome line art and text -- especially if it includes page-back >shadows? Some publications to exceed 650MB. A full-length movie in DivX format can be stored in 650mb. 650mb for a PDF is completely unacceptable for me. Delete. A graphics expert needs to be the one converting these copies of Rainbow and other magazines. I see no reason why 64 or even 32 dithered colors isn't enough to render these pages down. I've done it and it looks great. First convert to 128 or 256 colors, no dithering, repair the coffee stains, specs, blemishes, etc., dither down. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From tjseagrove at writeme.com Thu May 21 23:11:41 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:11:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" Message-ID: <034801c9da8b$07aa4b40$16fee1c0$@com> The long unknown CoCo magazine that was shopped around the floor and hotel at the 1988 Chicago Rainbowfest is now available for your viewing pleasure. They will be in the incoming dir at Maltedmedia. And, I just checked and they are there. The Gamers Connection 4 issues total Glen Dahlgren of Sundog Systems wrote an article series for them I also upload a scan of a newsletter called "The Simple Word". It was published by Simple Services/Dale Rickert who write the word processor Simply Better. I can't remember if I subscribed but I think this is the only one that was published. I used Simply Better and really liked it. It was a very powerful program for RSDOS. Have fun and enjoy!! Tom From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Thu May 21 23:32:12 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" Message-ID: <844417.34626.qm@web52302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, I can't download anything from the incoming folder it says it's only for incoming not outgoing. Can this be fixed? Ben --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Seagrove wrote: > From: Tom Seagrove > Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > To: RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com, "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:11 PM > The long unknown CoCo magazine that > was shopped around the floor and hotel > at the 1988 Chicago Rainbowfest is now available for your > viewing pleasure. > They will be in the incoming dir at Maltedmedia. And, I > just checked and > they are there. > > > > The Gamers Connection > > 4 issues total > > Glen Dahlgren of Sundog Systems wrote an article series for > them > > > > I also upload a scan of a newsletter called "The Simple > Word". It was > published by Simple Services/Dale Rickert who write the > word processor > Simply Better. I can't remember if I subscribed but I think > this is the only > one that was published. I used Simply Better and really > liked it.? It was a > very powerful program for RSDOS. > > > > Have fun and enjoy!! > > > > Tom > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Fri May 22 00:08:46 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! Message-ID: <109269.60747.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> UGH! People were cryin' to have this done, now they're cryin' because they don't like the size of the file, or the output of the file is illegible. NOW... DO WE HAVE AN EXPERT among us to do the conversion???? Will said expert do this work for free or cheaply???? Are we not happy unless there's something to complain about people??? Is it any wonder we lose people on this list when better than half the time every few months we fill the list with flames or whining about what's the better format to use; this one's too big, that one is so small it can't be read, or My gadget will destroy your gadget on the market. Are we adults here or are we just a bunch of spoiled rotten 2 year olds??? What's it going to take, the list to dwindle down to just those complainers??? I understand the concerns about how much real estate is being taken up, the time it takes to download those files, and the need for having one consistant format with enough detail to keep things looking good and readable, but yet small as feasably possible. Let's get a calm, working solution. Meanwhile the largest resolution scans made can be adjusted later for the smaller packaging. I appreciate all the hard work put in on the scans. Let's not say "Thanks for your hard work without compensation, but this is just unnacceptable, you did it for nothing {optional colorful metaphor inserted here}." -Later! ?-WB- --- On Thu, 5/21/09, {Removed because not relevant} wrote: >A full-length movie in DivX format can be stored in 650mb.? 650mb for a PDF is completely unacceptable for me.? Delete. >A graphics expert needs to be the one converting these copies of Rainbow and other magazines. I see no reason why 64 or even 32 dithered colors isn't enough to render these pages down.? I've done it and it looks great.? First convert to 128 or 256 colors, no dithering, repair the coffee stains, specs, blemishes, etc., dither down. From linville at tuxdriver.com Fri May 22 07:59:10 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 07:59:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! In-Reply-To: <109269.60747.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <109269.60747.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090522115910.GB3559@tuxdriver.com> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 09:08:46PM -0700, Bill Barnes wrote: > Are we not happy unless there's something to complain about > people??? Is it any wonder we lose people on this list when better > than half the time every few months we fill the list with flames or > whining about what's the better format to use; this one's too big, > that one is so small it can't be read, or My gadget will destroy your > gadget on the market. Are we adults here or are we just a bunch of > spoiled rotten 2 year olds??? What's it going to take, the list to > dwindle down to just those complainers??? On the one hand, I agree that some of the complaints seem a bit ungrateful. On the other hand, I'm not sure that hypersensitivity is any better... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From farna at att.net Fri May 22 10:43:56 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:43:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! (CoCo magazine scans) Message-ID: <4A16BA2C.5000202@att.net> Bill, no one can EVER please everybody! Trying just gives headaches. The people taking the time to do the actual work need to decide what they are going to do and go from there -- it's there time and they are getting nothing for it. It's nice of them to include the community in the discussion/debate, but in the end they have to decide. We don't have to have one standard. The various archiving sites need to decide what size and type files they are willing/have room to support and go from there. In Dennis' case, where space is a concern, he may have to simply specify one format or the other to eliminate duplicity. The wiser course of action may be to specify either no duplicate files regardless of format/type (no May 89 Rainbow in PDF and DJV or any other format, and no just changing file names), or a maximum file size. Either course of action will in a way determine the format. There isn't one answer. If room is available using both might be the thing to do, then let the user decide what they have time/space to download. Both formats are pretty standard now, and free viewers are available. Most people will be doing nothing more than viewing, so the manipulation advantages of PDF are pretty much a moot point except to a very few. There's nothing wrong with debating things like this in public. Even the digest has subject headers. I simply skip over the things I don't want to participate in. --------- Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Barnes UGH! People were cryin' to have this done, now they're cryin' because they don't like the size of the file, or the output of the file is illegible. NOW... DO WE HAVE AN EXPERT among us to do the conversion???? Will said expert do this work for free or cheaply???? Are we not happy unless there's something to complain about people??? Is it any wonder we lose people on this list when better than half the time every few months we fill the list with flames or whining about what's the better format to use; this one's too big, that one is so small it can't be read, or My gadget will destroy your gadget on the market. Are we adults here or are we just a bunch of spoiled rotten 2 year olds??? What's it going to take, the list to dwindle down to just those complainers??? I understand the concerns about how much real estate is being taken up, the time it takes to download those files, and the need for having one consistant format with enough detail to keep things looking good and readable, but yet small as feasably possible. Let's get a calm, working solution. Meanwhile the largest resolution scans made can be adjusted later for the smaller packaging. I appreciate all the hard work put in on the scans. Let's not say "Thanks for your hard work without compensation, but this is just unnacceptable, you did it for nothing {optional colorful metaphor inserted here}." -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri May 22 10:46:12 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 07:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] 1982 Rainbow Magazine Archive (Complete Year) Message-ID: <395165.85299.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is Rainbow Magazine Archive 1982 Complete Year off list links. Huge thanks to all those folks scanning and getting these done! http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=963&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= More coco goodness coming soon! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From keeper63 at cox.net Fri May 22 11:21:09 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:21:09 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A16C2E5.9090309@cox.net> > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:53:00 -0500 > From: Roger Taylor > Subject: Re: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20090521214845.05dd3b20 at coco3.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > A full-length movie in DivX format can be stored in 650mb. 650mb for > a PDF is completely unacceptable for me. Delete. > > A graphics expert needs to be the one converting these copies of > Rainbow and other magazines. I see no reason why 64 or even 32 > dithered colors isn't enough to render these pages down. I've done > it and it looks great. First convert to 128 or 256 colors, no > dithering, repair the coffee stains, specs, blemishes, etc., dither down. I agree with your sentiments, Roger. The sizes are out of whack, but we (likely) don't have a single "expert" who knows what to do to make them better... Maybe the solution is a distributed effort. All of the large files should be put into a "raw" directory on the server(s), and people can download them, futz with them, then upload the new smaller versions. Maybe some way to be able to vote them up or down (ok, now we're getting into a site design area - making the problem a little more hairy, sorry), then after a period of time, that issue is "frozen", and the winner with the most votes gets to be "it" for the final. Some way would need to be made to preserve the originals - there might be a possibility that someone could come along and make a better version than the winner (?)... The file sizes really turned me off to them when I first saw them - the time to download them, where and how to store them - it just seemed like some fat needed trimming, and I don't have the time to do that personally right now. Something does need to be done, and bickering and arguing over it will not help matters in the long run, like you say... -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From wlhaynes at mindspring.com Fri May 22 12:06:12 2009 From: wlhaynes at mindspring.com (Wesley Haynes) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability In-Reply-To: <4A16C2E5.9090309@cox.net> References: <4A16C2E5.9090309@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A16CD74.2070605@mindspring.com> Andrew wrote: > Maybe the solution is a distributed effort. All of the large files > should be put into a "raw" directory on the server(s), and people can > download them, futz with them, then upload the new smaller versions. > Maybe some way to be able to vote them up or down (ok, now we're getting > into a site design area - making the problem a little more hairy, > sorry), then after a period of time, that issue is "frozen", and the > winner with the most votes gets to be "it" for the final. I was thinking along these same lines, but I wonder if we can ever please everyone with just one or two versions. Opinions here and on the Rainbow group seem to range between the two extremes of maximum quality vs. minimum size, and I'm afraid any effort to meet in the middle may just leave everyone unhappy. Maybe bittorrent is the answer. Who cares how many different formats there are if they are all available via various torrents? A site like maltedmedia.com may choose to host whichever versions they prefer and maybe even host the .torrent files which point to all the other versions. One possible problem with this approach could be whether or not we're a large enough community to have enough seeders to keep this going. Wes From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 22 12:13:15 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:13:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! (CoCo magazine scans) In-Reply-To: <4A16BA2C.5000202@att.net> References: <4A16BA2C.5000202@att.net> Message-ID: <000801c9daf8$36e0b350$a4a219f0$@rr.com> What I have done is upload the (unfortunately) big files as archive copies. On my site (my BBS) I have the smaller Adobe Acrobat "reduced size" files for reading and downloading. Everyone can do what they want with the ones posted where ever, but I actually feel if I'd posted the smaller ones I'd have gotten flak because they 'weren't true scans'. Bill is right, you can't please everyone. To those who appreciate all the uploads, I say "you are very welcome". To those who have issues with them, I say "nertz". That's my 2? worth > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:44 AM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! (CoCo magazine scans) > > Bill, no one can EVER please everybody! > From badfrog at gmail.com Fri May 22 12:25:34 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:25:34 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability In-Reply-To: <4A16CD74.2070605@mindspring.com> References: <4A16C2E5.9090309@cox.net> <4A16CD74.2070605@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0905220925k4f03602w4ce8b76d550ed031@mail.gmail.com> I suggested the .torrent idea awhile back. I would recommend joining and contacting the folks at: http://www.pleasuredome.org.uk/ They specialize in emulation and classic hardware/software (of varying legality..), and even host magazine torrents. Having it on a site like that would almost guarantee seeders. Who knows, it might even get more people interested. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Wesley Haynes wrote: > Andrew wrote: >> >> Maybe the solution is a distributed effort. All of the large files should >> be put into a "raw" directory on the server(s), and people can download >> them, futz with them, then upload the new smaller versions. Maybe some way >> to be able to vote them up or down (ok, now we're getting into a site design >> area - making the problem a little more hairy, sorry), then after a period >> of time, that issue is "frozen", and the winner with the most votes gets to >> be "it" for the final. > > I was thinking along these same lines, but I wonder if we can ever please > everyone with just one or two versions. Opinions here and on the Rainbow > group seem to range between the two extremes of maximum quality vs. minimum > size, and I'm afraid any effort to meet in the middle may just leave > everyone unhappy. > > Maybe bittorrent is the answer. Who cares how many different formats there > are if they are all available via various torrents? A site like > maltedmedia.com may choose to host whichever versions they prefer and maybe > even host the .torrent files which point to all the other versions. One > possible problem with this approach could be whether or not we're a large > enough community to have enough seeders to keep this going. > > Wes > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From deek at d2dc.net Fri May 22 12:26:42 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:26:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability In-Reply-To: <200905211358.n4LDwQLX030260@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <200905211358.n4LDwQLX030260@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <4A16D242.7000005@d2dc.net> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Hi all, > > I've only been marginally paying attention to the PDF-vs-DJVU > discussion until I looked at my disk stats and saw that identical > stuff is being uploaded in competing formats. > > In two weeks, CoCo archives have exploded from 9GB to 45 GB -- more > space than all 40 domains there used in 11 years of operation: > > > This is not a hosting complaint. It's an efficiency and usability > complaint. You all know I'm happy to host CoCo files, but I do > question an image-format experiment that duplicates large content > with more large content. Bill's work is much appreciated, but how > necessary is publication quality, high-res, color rasterizing of > monochrome line art and text -- especially if it includes page-back > shadows? Some publications to exceed 650MB. > > This is an inefficient use of space, but more importantly, it's a > barrier to use. Aside from bots (which are blocked as quickly as I > find them), how many everyday CoCo enthusiasts are going to download > documents that large? Even some DJVU items exceed 100MB. (Yes, the > server does support Flashget-style multiple connections as well as > resume, but even so... dialup or capped bandwidth, anyone? That's why > this CoCo list has a 48KB message limit.) Show me a 100MB DjVu document and I'll show you either 2000-page book or someone who doesn't know how to use the tools (and/or is using the wrong tools). a 300-page full-color Rainbow at 300dpi (when compressed properly) weighs in at 20-30 megs, and that's after OCR and bundling. A single page runs between 40 and 180 kilobytes, full color. Ideally, someone would put together a Web site on which the DjVu documents would be presented as indirect files -- that is, each page is compressed separately and index documents are auto-generated so that the browser plugin can operate exactly as if the user had downloaded the whole thing. It might be useful if the server could bundle a document on the fly for download all at once, but that's not that big a deal. > Bill's done a lot of dedicated and much-appreciated work. For others > in the future, though, I recommend optimizing each page to a usable > size by using appropriate bit depth, color, brightness, contrast and > resolutions settings -- before compiling the final publication. > > I've been doing extensive archival scanning since the 3-pass days; I > still have (and use for'art') my absurd 3-pass battleship-size > scanner from 1992. It had its own dedicated SCSI card running under > Windows 3.1 and took work to produce good documents. > > On the other hand, modern scanner GUI control panels are excellent. > Though it takes a few extra seconds per page, the settings really > must be changed based on each page preview, producing a single PDF of > each page at a time. For some pages, that means lower bit depth and > monochrome. For others, it means changing brightness and contrast so > the page itself is *white* (oh, yes!). Based on the results I've been > looking at, the document size could have been 1/4 to 1/3 its present > size simply by doing the latter -- avoiding the shadows of reverse > pages which gets rasterized into hundreds of megabytes of garbage > information. You can also tape on a black instead of a white backing > panel to avoid this shadowing problem almost entirely from the start. > Once there are separate PDFs for each page, they can be compiled into > one (I use docPrint Pro). > > Believe me, having scanned quite literally thousands of documents > (and worn out a dozen scanners in the process), I can tell you a > little extra work up front will produce a more legible, smaller, and > ultimately more usable document. Except for choosing the white and black points and maybe the scanner's gamma curve, all of that stuff is ALMOST completely useless these days. A monochrome page of a given resolution compresses to pretty-much exactly the same size as a full-color page, and is often larger than the color scan because it can't be compressed as well (too much "redundant" information has been thrown away). Throwing away page content by reducing bit depth is MUCH worse for the content than lossy compression, because at least the lossy compression of J2K (or even JFIF) drops bits that the human brain doesn't readily notice, while reducing bit depth loses bits across the whole range at arbitrary cutoff points. I've been doing this stuff for the better part of two decades myself, and it took quite a while to learn just how wrongheaded it was to mess with the bit depth. Encountering a publication that has been bit-reduced, these days, means locating a new copy to rescan properly. From tonym at compusource.net Fri May 22 12:30:13 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:30:13 GMT Subject: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! (CoCo magazine scans) Message-ID: <20090522123047.SM00128@[208.76.35.239]> I would like to give a tip o' the hat, and a mighty big "THANK YOU!!!" to those doing the work... It is a labor of love, and I, for one, REALLY appreciate it, as I lost my 'bows to a hurricane quite a while back... Those bitching, well, talk about slapping the proverbial gift horse.... I myself downloaded them from excalibur1.net over a few-weeks-period, and burned them off to DVD. Home bandwidth is cheap, DVD's are even cheaper. I'll (mis)quote Jack Nicholson as Col. Jessup in 'A Few Good Men': "...I'd prefer you just said 'Thank You' and went about your business.." Tony -----Original Message----- From: Bill cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sent 5/22/2009 12:13:15 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! (CoCo magazine scans) What I have done is upload the (unfortunately) big files as archive copies. On my site (my BBS) I have the smaller Adobe Acrobat "reduced size" files for reading and downloading. Everyone can do what they want with the ones posted where ever, but I actually feel if I'd posted the smaller ones I'd have gotten flak because they 'weren't true scans'. Bill is right, you can't please everyone. To those who appreciate all the uploads, I say "you are very welcome". To those who have issues with them, I say "nertz". That's my 2 worth -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:44 AM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! (CoCo magazine scans) Bill, no one can EVER please everybody! -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 22 12:44:03 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:44:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability In-Reply-To: <200905211358.n4LDwQLX030260@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <200905211358.n4LDwQLX030260@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <000901c9dafc$84be7d60$8e3b7820$@rr.com> I don't know if I'm the Bill that you were referring to, but the only thing I have done is upload from my site to MaltedMedia. stinger30au (to my knowledge) is the one who has been busting his butt getting everything scanned and put together and sent to me when excalibur1 went down. I can't take credit for all the hard work; all I did was type in where to send it to and hit a button. The kudos all go to stinger30au. And personally, I think he did a terrific job. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Bathory-Kitsz > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:34 AM > To: CocoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability > > Hi all, > (.....clipped out.......) > > Bill's done a lot of dedicated and much-appreciated work. > > (.....more clipped out.......) From t.fadden at cox.net Fri May 22 14:05:44 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] talkers Message-ID: <3255264.27227.1243015544772.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> Too many expert, and not enough doers. :-) All the stuff I scanned/converted I made the way I thought best. I shared what I had. If you like them great, if not great. How much did you contribute? (rhetorical question) IMNSHO Tim From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Fri May 22 13:09:33 2009 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:09:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Resolution, size and usability In-Reply-To: <4A16D242.7000005@d2dc.net> References: <200905211358.n4LDwQLX030260@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> <4A16D242.7000005@d2dc.net> Message-ID: <200905221906.n4MJ6LLX003143@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Hi all, I really hope this discussion is helpful as people work on archiving what they have, and as they continue to make it available in the most effective way -- for everybody. There was only one dismissive comment, and it certainly doesn't reflect what most of us have been saying. You know I rarely participate here, and only watch in the background to make sure things are working smoothly. This time, though, the discussion has been important to me because since 1995 I have been a consultant in online accessibility. There are lots of barriers to access, and in a case such as ours, an effective solution between accuracy ('real' archiving) and usability ('library' archiving) is always welcome. Existing paper documents provide an enormous challenge in this transitional phase between low-speed, high-speed and the promised future internet (as well as processing power and disk space, and the time needed for hands-on re-archiving to long-term storage media). Jeff's comments are interesting. At 12:26 PM 5/22/2009, Jeff Teunissen wrote: >Except for choosing the white and black points and maybe the scanner's >gamma curve, all of that stuff is ALMOST completely useless these >days. A monochrome page of a given resolution compresses to pretty-much >exactly the same size as a full-color page, and is often larger than >the color scan because it can't be compressed as well (too much >"redundant" information has been thrown away). However one prefers to get rid of noise or whiten the background, I'm all for that. I wanted to put it to the test and, beyond that, I was curious about the compression differences Jeff mentioned. So I just did a few test pages from the same source with a small quantity of large text on a noisy page. (TIFF used here is uncompressed.) Format order below is TIFF, ZIP, PDF and ZIPPED PDF: Noisy page 24-bit color 35363K (100%) - 15910K (45%) - 13122 (37%) - 13133K (37%) 8-bit grayscale 11784K (33%) - 9774K (28%) - 9789K (28%) - 9780K (28%) 4-bit grayscale 5895K (17%) - 4389K (12%) - 7892K (22%) - 7885K (22%) Cleaned (whitened) page 24-bit color 22557K (64%) - 1521K (4%) - 522K (1.5%) - 398K (1%) 8-bit grayscale 11783K (33%) - 942K (2.5%) - 938K (2.5%) - 935K (2.5%) 4-bit grayscale 5895K (17%) - 535K (1.5%) - 478K (1.5%) - 356K (1%) As I'd mentioned in my earlier post, cleaning up the noise is the most important factor in the compressable size. The color information on a monochrome page turns out to be irrelevant -- thanks to Jeff for teaching me that although the TIFFs are larger, the PDFs show virtually no difference in size between the color setting and the bit depth. If you look at many of the hundreds of documents scanned on our maltedMedia site and others, you'll find that the handling of page background noise is greatly responsible for ballooning document size. My point is that documents can be archived for speedy downloads or for accurate results. At my home (and in Bill's case) the documents are archived for accuracy. The 'look' of the scanned page is exactly the same as the 'look' of the paper document. That is a good thing -- with the one exception, and this is for the person downloading. (Archiving visual accuracy is another topic, one of great concern to those of us with artistic requirements.) >Throwing away page content by reducing bit depth is MUCH worse for >the content than lossy compression, because at least the lossy >compression of J2K (or even JFIF) drops bits that the human brain >doesn't readily notice, while reducing bit depth loses bits across >the whole range at arbitrary cutoff points. Yes. Given the choice, though, I'll take lower bit depth. My aging eyes find the fuzziness of compression more effortful because I tend to magnify documents to read them. I find the 4-bit grayscale easier overall than the artifacts of lossy compression. Dennis From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 22 17:24:44 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1 Message-ID: <003401c9db23$ba211b80$2e635280$@rr.com> Has excalibur1 gone down again? I was downloading a file, and it quit right about half-way through, now I get 'Can't resolve "excalibur1.net".' Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From mechacoco at gmail.com Fri May 22 17:34:24 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:34:24 -0600 Subject: [Coco] excalibur1 In-Reply-To: <003401c9db23$ba211b80$2e635280$@rr.com> References: <003401c9db23$ba211b80$2e635280$@rr.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0905221434t483b2675od6f342f7ad9ee048@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/09, Bill wrote: > Has excalibur1 gone down again? I was downloading a file, and it quit right > about half-way through, now I get 'Can't resolve "excalibur1.net".' > --- Chad had stated that he would not be renewing the excalibur1 site when it expires on May 22. It is likely gone for good. See his earlier post here: Darren From tjseagrove at writeme.com Sat May 23 09:35:15 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:35:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" In-Reply-To: <844417.34626.qm@web52302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <844417.34626.qm@web52302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <046501c9dbab$4eb2a1b0$ec17e510$@com> Look in /coco/NEWLY-RECEIVED -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Ben Jimenez Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:32 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" Hello, I can't download anything from the incoming folder it says it's only for incoming not outgoing. Can this be fixed? Ben --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Seagrove wrote: > From: Tom Seagrove > Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > To: RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com, "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:11 PM > The long unknown CoCo magazine that > was shopped around the floor and hotel > at the 1988 Chicago Rainbowfest is now available for your > viewing pleasure. > They will be in the incoming dir at Maltedmedia. And, I > just checked and > they are there. > > > > The Gamers Connection > > 4 issues total > > Glen Dahlgren of Sundog Systems wrote an article series for > them > > > > I also upload a scan of a newsletter called "The Simple > Word". It was > published by Simple Services/Dale Rickert who write the > word processor > Simply Better. I can't remember if I subscribed but I think > this is the only > one that was published. I used Simply Better and really > liked it.? It was a > very powerful program for RSDOS. > > > > Have fun and enjoy!! > > > > Tom > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release Date: 05/21/09 17:51:00 From spam_proof at verizon.net Sat May 23 17:30:49 2009 From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid maze... Message-ID: <1243114249.7202.2.camel@localhost> I'm sure many of us remember the game "Pyramid" for the coco. It was based off of the old "Adventure" game. Does anybody have the solution to the maze? I know it's been published somewhere, but I'm getting conflicting results. - Aaron From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Sat May 23 19:18:16 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" Message-ID: <29103.63926.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, the gamers connection is not in there. another suggestion? Ben --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Tom Seagrove wrote: > From: Tom Seagrove > Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 6:35 AM > Look in /coco/NEWLY-RECEIVED > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On > Behalf Of Ben Jimenez > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:32 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > > > Hello, > > I can't download anything from the incoming folder it says > it's only for > incoming not outgoing. > > Can this be fixed? > > Ben > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Seagrove > wrote: > > > From: Tom Seagrove > > Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > > To: RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com, > "'CoCoList for Color Computer > Enthusiasts'" > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:11 PM > > The long unknown CoCo magazine that > > was shopped around the floor and hotel > > at the 1988 Chicago Rainbowfest is now available for > your > > viewing pleasure. > > They will be in the incoming dir at Maltedmedia. And, > I > > just checked and > > they are there. > > > >? > > > > The Gamers Connection > > > > 4 issues total > > > > Glen Dahlgren of Sundog Systems wrote an article > series for > > them > > > >? > > > > I also upload a scan of a newsletter called "The > Simple > > Word". It was > > published by Simple Services/Dale Rickert who write > the > > word processor > > Simply Better. I can't remember if I subscribed but I > think > > this is the only > > one that was published. I used Simply Better and > really > > liked it.? It was a > > very powerful program for RSDOS. > > > >? > > > > Have fun and enjoy!! > > > >? > > > > Tom > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release > Date: 05/21/09 > 17:51:00 > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From badfrog at gmail.com Sat May 23 20:18:09 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:18:09 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid maze... In-Reply-To: <1243114249.7202.2.camel@localhost> References: <1243114249.7202.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <9efa17da0905231718r24beab9bw95254530c9fb387c@mail.gmail.com> You know, I did beat that game! But it was over 20 years ago, so I'm afraid I cannot help! Actually, I'm probably thinking of Raka-Tu. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Aaron Banerjee wrote: > > I'm sure many of us remember the game "Pyramid" for the coco. ?It was > based off of the old "Adventure" game. ?Does anybody have the solution > to the maze? ?I know it's been published somewhere, but I'm getting > conflicting results. > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Aaron > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sat May 23 20:27:57 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 20:27:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid maze... References: <1243114249.7202.2.camel@localhost> <9efa17da0905231718r24beab9bw95254530c9fb387c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40D1FE7BAF0C4A91AB5B3919D9CA8C73@speedy> > I'm sure many of us remember the game "Pyramid" for the coco. It was > based off of the old "Adventure" game. Does anybody have the solution > to the maze? I know it's been published somewhere, but I'm getting > conflicting results. > - Aaron I do remember having a set of instructions to complete the game. As to just where those instructions are? Well I've been through a few moves, the big D, a 2 year college degree and a few other changes in life since I used them. I'll be on the look out for them when I'm moveing/sorting CoCo stuff. Bruce W. From tjseagrove at writeme.com Sat May 23 21:22:25 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 21:22:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" In-Reply-To: <29103.63926.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <29103.63926.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c9dc0e$187b81d0$49728570$@com> Yeah...now it got moved to its newest home... /coco/MAGS0 Look for the dir entry for TheGamersConection Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Ben Jimenez Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:18 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" Hello, the gamers connection is not in there. another suggestion? Ben --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Tom Seagrove wrote: > From: Tom Seagrove > Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 6:35 AM > Look in /coco/NEWLY-RECEIVED > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On > Behalf Of Ben Jimenez > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:32 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > > > Hello, > > I can't download anything from the incoming folder it says > it's only for > incoming not outgoing. > > Can this be fixed? > > Ben > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Seagrove > wrote: > > > From: Tom Seagrove > > Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > > To: RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com, > "'CoCoList for Color Computer > Enthusiasts'" > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:11 PM > > The long unknown CoCo magazine that > > was shopped around the floor and hotel > > at the 1988 Chicago Rainbowfest is now available for > your > > viewing pleasure. > > They will be in the incoming dir at Maltedmedia. And, > I > > just checked and > > they are there. > > > >? > > > > The Gamers Connection > > > > 4 issues total > > > > Glen Dahlgren of Sundog Systems wrote an article > series for > > them > > > >? > > > > I also upload a scan of a newsletter called "The > Simple > > Word". It was > > published by Simple Services/Dale Rickert who write > the > > word processor > > Simply Better. I can't remember if I subscribed but I > think > > this is the only > > one that was published. I used Simply Better and > really > > liked it.? It was a > > very powerful program for RSDOS. > > > >? > > > > Have fun and enjoy!! > > > >? > > > > Tom > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - Release > Date: 05/21/09 > 17:51:00 > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sat May 23 22:11:26 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 02:11:26 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Magazines needed for archives In-Reply-To: <012c01c9d8b3$4aae6ae0$e00b40a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Bill" wrote: > > I know we've been asking time and time again, but maybe there are some NEW > names on the list who haven't heard. > > > > We still need Hot Coco magazines, Color Computer Magazines, and Rainbow > Magazines for our archives. > > Bill, dont stress over he hot coco magazines i happen to know a man here in australia who owns every single one. i might even be able to encourage him to send some my way to be scanned. share the load, get it done faster From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 24 02:44:06 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:44:06 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] the color computer magazine Message-ID: i notice at maltedmedia there is a number of 1983 mags ftp://ftp.maltedmedia.com/coco/MAGS0/ColorComputerMagazine/ i have got one among the mags that i will get scanned. it is a april 1984 edition does anyone else have any more kicking round we can scan at all? ta dez From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun May 24 07:21:34 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 07:21:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, Hot Coco, Color Computer Magazine downloads Message-ID: <002401c9dc61$cc741d70$655c5850$@rr.com> Possibly a better way to download. http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco_files Let me know if it works as well for you as it did for me. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun May 24 09:02:03 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] 1981 Rainbow Magazine Archive (Complete Year) Message-ID: <719289.28753.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have gotten Rainbow Magazine 1981 added to the archives. Links can be found off list as usual. Thanks to all those folks scanning. http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=966&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun May 24 09:04:49 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:04:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, Hot Coco, Color Computer Magazine downloads In-Reply-To: <002401c9dc61$cc741d70$655c5850$@rr.com> References: <002401c9dc61$cc741d70$655c5850$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4A1945F1.2070709@worldnet.att.net> Bill wrote: > Possibly a better way to download. > > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco_files > > Let me know if it works as well for you as it did for me. > > Thanks > Bill, that's an excellent format. I do have one suggestion. Add to all the contents.txt the size of the files. Then those of us with dial-up can decide if and when we want to download something. From marcus.chiado at gmail.com Sun May 24 11:19:47 2009 From: marcus.chiado at gmail.com (Marcus Vinicius Garrett Chiado) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:19:47 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Complete in box Orchestra 90 cartridge for sale. In-Reply-To: <94583fe40905081559wb47f333u99c7f4d535168788@mail.gmail.com> References: <94583fe40905081559wb47f333u99c7f4d535168788@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <94583fe40905240819y3a5afbbbgea3b2b9cc29c5a5b@mail.gmail.com> Auction ends today. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170332474859&_trksid=p711.l1259 2009/5/8 Marcus Vinicius Garrett Chiado : > Contact me in private, please. > > It?s complete in box and in pristine condition. Item is in Brazil. From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Sun May 24 10:46:01 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (vacuumboy1) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:46:01 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot Message-ID: Hi! I was browsing around on Google, when I spotted a neat diagram. The Diagram represented ROBART II. I knew there had to be a ROBART I. So I googled it and came up with a very cool robot! I researched it for a little while. I found it used a KIM-1 computer! The robot was capable of driving itself, patrol for unusual conditions, and TALK! So, if a KIM-1 could do this, why can't my Tandy do this? I was also thinking of making it use a homemade laser mapping device.Also, I am kind of worried about how much memory this takes up. Any input would be GREATLY appreciated! Kyle [end of line] From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sun May 24 12:28:40 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:28:40 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, Hot Coco, Color Computer Magazine downloads In-Reply-To: <4A1945F1.2070709@worldnet.att.net> References: <002401c9dc61$cc741d70$655c5850$@rr.com> <4A1945F1.2070709@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <4A1975B8.9000602@bjork-huffman.net> Robert Gault wrote: > I do have one suggestion. Add to all the contents.txt the size of the > files. Then those of us with dial-up can decide if and when we want to > download something. Listing the time to download would be better because the download speed (limited by the host) is only 36KB and dial-up is still faster than that. It took over 4 minutes download a 7.1 Megabyte file! On my FIOS (20 MB down and 5 MB up) it should taken a few seconds, if that. Besides, this file should be 1/10 (or smaller) in size if you convert the text of the page to true text and not an image. Stuff that I've converted like this is so much smaller and can be edited in in a text editor. Take a look at Tim Lindner's work and find someone that has done it right! From spam_proof at verizon.net Sun May 24 15:35:43 2009 From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:35:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution Message-ID: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> All, My son seems to have discovered how to use the cassette recorder with the coco. He also seems to be pretty good with the internet. He found the solution to the maze in the pyramid game. I've been quite impressed with his interest in programming -- and the coco seems like the best starting point we have (due to its simplicity). From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum about how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. How about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 out there? - Aaron From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun May 24 17:09:07 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:09:07 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Turning my coco III into a robot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "vacuumboy1" wrote: > > Hi! I was browsing around on Google, when I spotted a neat diagram. The Diagram represented ROBART II. I knew there had to be a ROBART I. So I googled it and came up with a very cool robot! > > Kyle > [end of line] > i do happen to have just one or two aussie coco magazines that show you how to control robots etc from your coco. i have not finished scanning them all yet. give me another week or two to finish them off and upload as well From charles.shrader at gmail.com Sun May 24 17:54:39 2009 From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:54:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <561563B7A42F4CD5B9ACC500583F462B@chuck02> I know the Coco 3 can have 512k RAM - can't it go even higher than this? 512k is pretty good! I have never used it though. Need to get back into my Assembler study hobby... Chuck From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun May 24 21:27:08 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot In-Reply-To: <561563B7A42F4CD5B9ACC500583F462B@chuck02> References: <561563B7A42F4CD5B9ACC500583F462B@chuck02> Message-ID: <200905242127.08409.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 24 May 2009, Charles Shrader wrote: >I know the Coco 3 can have 512k RAM - can't it go even higher than this? >512k is pretty good! I have never used it though. Need to get back into my >Assembler study hobby... > >Chuck Yes, Tony D. sold a 2 meg kit that used a couple of the longer multi-chip 1 meg ram boards similar to some that very early 2 & 4 meg PC's used. It also expands the reach of the offset register by 2 bits. I have one, and its has never to my knowledge even sneezed. It also runs dead cold at those speeds. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. A musical reviewer admitted he always praised the first show of a new theatrical season. "Who am I to stone the first cast?" ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:ColorComputer-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:ColorComputer-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ColorComputer-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jcewy at swbell.net Sun May 24 21:34:24 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:34:24 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Young CoCoists (Was: Pyramid solution) In-Reply-To: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4A19F5A0.4000506@swbell.net> Aaron Banerjee wrote: > All, > My son seems to have discovered how to use the cassette recorder with > the coco. He also seems to be pretty good with the internet. He found > the solution to the maze in the pyramid game. I've been quite impressed > with his interest in programming -- and the coco seems like the best > starting point we have (due to its simplicity). > From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum about > how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. How > about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 out > there? > - Aaron > My boy is 6. He isn't into programming yet (I'll work on him gently) but he loves to play games on the CoCo. The one he talks most about is "The Glove". JCE From tjseagrove at writeme.com Sun May 24 22:55:53 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, Hot Coco, Color Computer Magazine downloads In-Reply-To: <4A1975B8.9000602@bjork-huffman.net> References: <002401c9dc61$cc741d70$655c5850$@rr.com> <4A1945F1.2070709@worldnet.att.net> <4A1975B8.9000602@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <007701c9dce4$518896d0$f499c470$@com> I would like to think that currently, we are getting hi-res versions into digital format. Once a good set is produced, then we can start an OCR project which may take a couple years. Then we would have a final product that is smaller in size and fully searchable. Lofty goal but these are early days... I jump in and out of Tim's site to help out. That would be a great format to run the Rainbows through once we finish the current project on his site. Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Steve Bjork Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:29 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow, Hot Coco, Color Computer Magazine downloads Robert Gault wrote: > I do have one suggestion. Add to all the contents.txt the size of the > files. Then those of us with dial-up can decide if and when we want to > download something. Listing the time to download would be better because the download speed (limited by the host) is only 36KB and dial-up is still faster than that. It took over 4 minutes download a 7.1 Megabyte file! On my FIOS (20 MB down and 5 MB up) it should taken a few seconds, if that. Besides, this file should be 1/10 (or smaller) in size if you convert the text of the page to true text and not an image. Stuff that I've converted like this is so much smaller and can be edited in in a text editor. Take a look at Tim Lindner's work and find someone that has done it right! -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 From flexser at fiu.edu Mon May 25 00:21:03 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:21:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution In-Reply-To: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 5/24/09, Aaron Banerjee wrote: > From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum about > how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. How > about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 out > there? > - Aaron > I'll be 8 in November, but everyone says I look much older. Art From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Mon May 25 00:40:46 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" Message-ID: <208255.33437.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> alrighty, thanks. --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Tom Seagrove wrote: > From: Tom Seagrove > Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 6:22 PM > Yeah...now it got moved to its newest > home... > > /coco/MAGS0 > > Look for the dir entry for TheGamersConection > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On > Behalf Of Ben Jimenez > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:18 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > > > Hello, > > the gamers connection is not in there. another suggestion? > > Ben > > > --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Tom Seagrove > wrote: > > > From: Tom Seagrove > > Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > > To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" > > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 6:35 AM > > Look in /coco/NEWLY-RECEIVED > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Ben Jimenez > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:32 PM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I can't download anything from the incoming folder it > says > > it's only for > > incoming not outgoing. > > > > Can this be fixed? > > > > Ben > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Seagrove > > wrote: > > > > > From: Tom Seagrove > > > Subject: [Coco] "The Gamers Connection" > > > To: RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com, > > "'CoCoList for Color Computer > > Enthusiasts'" > > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:11 PM > > > The long unknown CoCo magazine that > > > was shopped around the floor and hotel > > > at the 1988 Chicago Rainbowfest is now available > for > > your > > > viewing pleasure. > > > They will be in the incoming dir at Maltedmedia. > And, > > I > > > just checked and > > > they are there. > > > > > >? > > > > > > The Gamers Connection > > > > > > 4 issues total > > > > > > Glen Dahlgren of Sundog Systems wrote an article > > series for > > > them > > > > > >? > > > > > > I also upload a scan of a newsletter called "The > > Simple > > > Word". It was > > > published by Simple Services/Dale Rickert who > write > > the > > > word processor > > > Simply Better. I can't remember if I subscribed > but I > > think > > > this is the only > > > one that was published. I used Simply Better and > > really > > > liked it.? It was a > > > very powerful program for RSDOS. > > > > > >? > > > > > > Have fun and enjoy!! > > > > > >? > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.33/2120 - > Release > > Date: 05/21/09 > > 17:51:00 > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release > Date: 05/23/09 > 07:00:00 > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tjseagrove at writeme.com Mon May 25 00:50:03 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:50:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution In-Reply-To: References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <009401c9dcf4$4467bcf0$cd3736d0$@com> What is the multiplication factor again?? :) -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Flexser Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:21 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Pyramid solution On 5/24/09, Aaron Banerjee wrote: > From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum about > how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. How > about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 out > there? > - Aaron > I'll be 8 in November, but everyone says I look much older. Art -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 From wdg3rd at comcast.net Mon May 25 02:34:25 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot In-Reply-To: <1130781855.579251243232956854.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1095932365.579311243233265051.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Could probably be done with Color LOGO. Just have to modify the firmware to spin a motor instead of moving a pixel. There might be some difficulty getting it to cooperate with the Speech/Sound Pak, but that doesn't strike me as being insurmountable. (Yeah, it could be done in BASIC with some ML backup, but when robotics comes into the picture I make a knee-jerk jump to LISP and LOGO despite the fact I never went to MIT or Cal Tech except as a visitor). (For several years in the late 80s, my newsfeed was from Cal Tech (I was two miles uphill) but then PG&E murdered my Mod 16 -- Altadena doesn't get the best product, factory second electricity at best and the Mod 16 power supply wasn't all that robust since it was designed to handle a Z-80 with 64k RAM, not a Z-80 with 96k RAM and a 68000 with 512k RAM). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "vacuumboy1" wrote: > From: "vacuumboy1" > To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot > > Hi! I was browsing around on Google, when I spotted a neat diagram. > The Diagram represented ROBART II. I knew there had to be a ROBART I. > So I googled it and came up with a very cool robot! I researched it > for a little while. I found it used a KIM-1 computer! The robot was > capable of driving itself, patrol for unusual conditions, and TALK! > So, if a KIM-1 could do this, why can't my Tandy do this? I was also > thinking of making it use a homemade laser mapping device.Also, I am > kind of worried about how much memory this takes up. Any input would > be GREATLY appreciated! > > Kyle > [end of line] From wdg3rd at comcast.net Mon May 25 02:45:02 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution In-Reply-To: <551284394.579401243233569897.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1469169015.579601243233902464.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I know there used to be, but it's been almost 30 years and they grew up. (Yeah, we're aging, this Tuesday is my 54th natal anniversary -- I'm still younger than Gene, but not by the percentage it was ten years back). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Aaron Banerjee" wrote: > From: "Aaron Banerjee" > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:35:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution > > All, > My son seems to have discovered how to use the cassette recorder > with > the coco. He also seems to be pretty good with the internet. He > found > the solution to the maze in the pyramid game. I've been quite > impressed > with his interest in programming -- and the coco seems like the best > starting point we have (due to its simplicity). > From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum about > how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. How > about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 out > there? > - Aaron > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From wdg3rd at comcast.net Mon May 25 02:57:18 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <214960927.579741243234638523.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> So which of Jupiter's moons were you born on? -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Arthur Flexser" wrote: > From: "Arthur Flexser" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:21:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] Pyramid solution > > On 5/24/09, Aaron Banerjee wrote: > > > From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum > about > > how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. > How > > about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 > out > > there? > > - Aaron > > > > I'll be 8 in November, but everyone says I look much older. > > Art From petrander at gmail.com Mon May 25 05:24:33 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:24:33 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution In-Reply-To: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I often joke around that I am currently 23....... hexadecimal. Most people don't get it. Just shows what a geek I am. :-P Still, at that age, I do believe I belong to the youngest subsection of the CoCo community. Cheers, Fedor 2009/5/24 Aaron Banerjee > All, > My son seems to have discovered how to use the cassette recorder with > the coco. He also seems to be pretty good with the internet. He found > the solution to the maze in the pyramid game. I've been quite impressed > with his interest in programming -- and the coco seems like the best > starting point we have (due to its simplicity). > From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum about > how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. How > about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 out > there? > - Aaron > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon May 25 05:39:02 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:39:02 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: By that reckoning, I'm 38 :) -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Pyramid solution >I often joke around that I am currently 23....... hexadecimal. Most people > don't get it. Just shows what a geek I am. :-P > > Still, at that age, I do believe I belong to the youngest subsection of > the > CoCo community. > > Cheers, > Fedor > > 2009/5/24 Aaron Banerjee > >> All, >> My son seems to have discovered how to use the cassette recorder with >> the coco. He also seems to be pretty good with the internet. He found >> the solution to the maze in the pyramid game. I've been quite impressed >> with his interest in programming -- and the coco seems like the best >> starting point we have (due to its simplicity). >> From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum about >> how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. How >> about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 out >> there? >> - Aaron >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon May 25 07:30:35 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:30:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution In-Reply-To: References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200905250730.35970.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 25 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >By that reckoning, I'm 38 :) And I am 4A. Sounds a bit like a selective service classification. :) >-- >Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > >Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >the capacity to be his spokesman, >so that I know how to help the weary. > >my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fedor Steeman" >To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Coco] Pyramid solution > >>I often joke around that I am currently 23....... hexadecimal. Most people >> don't get it. Just shows what a geek I am. :-P >> >> Still, at that age, I do believe I belong to the youngest subsection of >> the >> CoCo community. >> >> Cheers, >> Fedor >> >> 2009/5/24 Aaron Banerjee >> >>> All, >>> My son seems to have discovered how to use the cassette recorder with >>> the coco. He also seems to be pretty good with the internet. He found >>> the solution to the maze in the pyramid game. I've been quite impressed >>> with his interest in programming -- and the coco seems like the best >>> starting point we have (due to its simplicity). >>> From time to time, I've heard several comments on this forum about >>> how old we are all getting. Can't argue with you on that one. How >>> about the youngest coconut? Is there any coconut younger than 8 out >>> there? >>> - Aaron >>> -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. It is better to be bow-legged than no-legged. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon May 25 15:50:41 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:50:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux Message-ID: <001301c9dd72$16239250$426ab6f0$@rr.com> Has anyone successfully compiled DriveWire for Linux? I've been to the site that Boisy told me about, but I can't make heads or tails of it. I'd appreciate some help, if someone doesn't mind. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From snhirsch at gmail.com Mon May 25 19:38:03 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux In-Reply-To: <001301c9dd72$16239250$426ab6f0$@rr.com> References: <001301c9dd72$16239250$426ab6f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 May 2009, Bill wrote: > Has anyone successfully compiled DriveWire for Linux? I've been to the site > that Boisy told me about, but I can't make heads or tails of it. I'd > appreciate some help, if someone doesn't mind. Yes, piece of cake. What have you tried and what problems have occurred? Distribution? The more information you provide, the easier it will be to assist. Steve -- From bookworm at cavenet.com Mon May 25 21:38:16 2009 From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot References: <1130781855.579251243232956854.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1095932365.579311243233265051.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: > Could probably be done with Color LOGO. Just have to modify the firmware to > spin a motor instead of moving a pixel. See if you can find a plotter manual. DMPL (plotter language) is identical to logo and most old plotter manuals tell how to program it from Basic. > but then PG&E murdered my Mod 16 -- Altadena doesn't get the best product, > factory second electricity at best and the Mod 16 power supply wasn't all that > robust since it was designed to handle a Z-80 with 64k RAM, not a Z-80 with 96k > RAM and a 68000 with 512k RAM). That is a tragedy. And you just had to tell us about it. As if I wasn't already paranoid enough about having the worst electricity in the civilized world here. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon May 25 22:22:05 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <001301c9dd72$16239250$426ab6f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <002b01c9dda8$c41d0450$4c570cf0$@rr.com> I'm fixing to set up a Ubuntu 9.04 box, but I cannot even FIND what I need to compile, and even if I could find it, I have no idea how. I've never been able to compile anything > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:38 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux > > Yes, piece of cake. What have you tried and what problems have > occurred? Distribution? The more information you provide, the easier it will be > to assist. > From snhirsch at gmail.com Tue May 26 10:10:31 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot In-Reply-To: References: <1130781855.579251243232956854.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1095932365.579311243233265051.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 May 2009, Bookworm wrote: >> but then PG&E murdered my Mod 16 -- Altadena doesn't get the best product, >> factory second electricity at best and the Mod 16 power supply wasn't all that >> robust since it was designed to handle a Z-80 with 64k RAM, not a Z-80 with 96k >> RAM and a 68000 with 512k RAM). > > That is a tragedy. And you just had to tell us about it. As if I wasn't already > paranoid enough about having the worst electricity in the civilized world here. Fortunately, that's what on-line UPS systems were placed on this earth to mitigate against. -- From snhirsch at gmail.com Tue May 26 11:02:55 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux In-Reply-To: <003b01c9de0d$3630aab0$a2920010$@rr.com> References: <003b01c9de0d$3630aab0$a2920010$@rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 May 2009, Bill wrote: > No offense taken, Steve, I understand what you are saying. > > I?ve been ?tinkering? with Linux for several years now, and have set up > several ?Linux boxes?. Unfortunately, I spent too much time on the > hardware aspect of the computers, and not enough on the software. Bill, (I'm copying the list, since this may be of help to others) First of all, could I ask you to use ASCII text only in your e-mail? You have all the Microsoft markup things turned on and it makes it almost impossible to read under Unix. Also, it's generally considered more courteous to add your replies underneath the prior respondant's. I'm not a fascist in this regard, but will warn you that a number of individuals out there regard it as a hanging offense! That said, here's the basic recipe for building under Linux. Ensure that you have the following installed: gcc make libc-dev cvs If any are missing, use apt-get to install. Create a local sandbox with the drivewire source code. To do this, you will need to read the overview at: http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=cvs&group_id=156842 Follow the directions, substituting 'drivewireserver' (no quotes) for the modulename (shown in italics in the example on that page). That will pull down a local copy of the sources. Does anyone know why a snapshot tarball isn't available? A directory called 'drivewireserver' will have been created for you. Dive into the linux/build subdirectory underneath it. Once there, type: make It should compile the source and leave you with a file called 'drivewire'. That's the executable program. Move it to the location of your choice and run it. You'll need to setup the basic parameters and assign files to use as virtual disk volumes, but it saves your settings as the default for the next time. Good luck! Steve > Bill, > > Don't take this the wrong way, but you should probably spend a week or > two exploring and learning about the Linux OS and environment before > diving into any program building.? It's quite simple once you are > oriented to the basics and the terminology. > > You'd do well to pickup one of the many good books written for Ubuntu > Linux newbies.? Hit Amazon or your local Barnes & Noble. > > If you are not interested in learning about Linux in any depth and/or do > not feel you are capable (for technical or other reasons), then my best > advice would be to stick with DOS or Windows.? Linux does not require a > PhD in rocket science, but does require the investment of some quality > time. > -- From bookworm at cavenet.com Tue May 26 13:41:16 2009 From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot References: <1130781855.579251243232956854.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1095932365.579311243233265051.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: > Fortunately, that's what on-line UPS systems were placed on this earth to > mitigate against. > I know, but there *expensive*! I'll get one soon, but until then I'll just have to be paranoid. Do you have a plotter manual? I have one for the Multi-Pen, It does have a simple Basic demo for the CoCo, and I can scan it. After Scanning, I would convert it to a popular format (probably PDF) and upload it to Malted Media or RTSI. But I don't know how to do that. Any Suggestions? From brucewcalkins at charter.net Tue May 26 16:08:12 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot References: <1130781855.579251243232956854.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1095932365.579311243233265051.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <298931DA81C5412DB78BE18211C8E705@speedy> >> Fortunately, that's what on-line UPS systems were placed on this earth to >> mitigate against. >> > > I know, but there *expensive*! I'll get one soon, but until then I'll just > have > to be paranoid. > I pick them up used and or dead for little or nothing and buy new batteries. Some get extentions wired to lawn tractor batteries from Wal-Mart, others get "proper" gel-cell batteries from Jameco Electronics. http://www.jameco.com Beats the store prices by a long shot. Lead Acid page; (The link may fragment.) http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ParametricSearchResultsView?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=null&jameco_page=46&drill_parents=category_root%24%2447%24%244715&drill_children=47%24%244715%24%24471505&drill_displays=Batteries%20%2F%20Rechargeable%20%2F%20Lead-Acid%20(Rechargeable) Bruce W. From exwn8jef at gmail.com Tue May 26 21:17:51 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:17:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Magazine archive project Message-ID: <4A1C94BF.10300@gmail.com> Good evening folks, I just wanted to thank everyone who has put a lot of hard work into archiving Rainbow Magazines. It is a real blessing--thanks! O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional From keeper63 at cox.net Wed May 27 02:30:52 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:30:52 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1CDE1C.4030107@cox.net> > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:46:01 -0000 > From: "vacuumboy1" > Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Turning my coco III into a robot > To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi! I was browsing around on Google, when I spotted a neat diagram. The Diagram represented ROBART II. I knew there had to be a ROBART I. So I googled it and came up with a very cool robot! I researched it for a little while. I found it used a KIM-1 computer! The robot was capable of driving itself, patrol for unusual conditions, and TALK! > So, if a KIM-1 could do this, why can't my Tandy do this? I was also thinking of making it use a homemade laser mapping device.Also, I am kind of worried about how much memory this takes up. Any input would be GREATLY appreciated! > > Kyle > [end of line] Well, technically your CoCo can do this. I know for a fact that there was a series of articles in the Rainbow that detailed something called the CoCo ROS (Robot Operating System) - it was a bit of hardware (that plugged into the cartridge slot) and some software to enable easy interfacing of the CoCo bus to motors and sensors. Look at Dec 1986-Feb 1987 - it was a three part series by Dennis H. Weide. I only got parts 2 and 3, unfortunately. With a single CoCo, you could do quite a lot (just look at some of the robots being made with 8-bit microcontrollers). Your best bet would be to hunt down those articles, if you want to take this path, first. Then, you would want to hunt down as many of the old-school 8-bit single board computer books and robotics books out there from the 80's as you can (nearly all of them by TAB books, it seems). Da'Costa, Safford, and Heiserman are your authors (oh, and Tod Loofbourrow, how could I forget?). To do more, you would need to integrate several CoCos together, each controlling a basic function of the system, and communicating together - the ROBART system was probably done like this (I seem to recall that it was also controlled remotely via an IBM-PC and an RF modem). So, you would have CoCo handling sensors (likely only sonar, IR, and other simple things - you might also be able to hook in some of the smaller cameras - like the CMUCam - meant for 8-bit microcontrollers), one handling motor control, and maybe one acting as a coordinator/master. You could potentially communicate over the bus, or via the bit-banger serial port. If you wanted to simplify it a bit (and you weren't a stickler for "it must be CoCo only") - use a CoCo with RS-232 cartridge (and maybe the Cloud-9 SuperIDE or something), communicate with one or more microcontrollers (it would be dead easy to do with an Arduino), each of which serve to handle motor control, sensor reading (including advanced sensors like GPS modules), sound generation, etc. Let the CoCo be the master, but use the microcontrollers to perform the interfacing (the nice thing about this is that it would be easy to use the bit-banger to communicate with the microcontrollers as well, if you didn't have the RS-232 cartridge). Hmm - this might be a fun way to use my old Color Computer 2, provided I could bypass the power supply without destroying the mobo (should be possible) - if I wanted it to be more interesting, setting things up to use a tape drive for storage and such would be fun, too. Go old-school and make the body out of a garbage can, maybe a pringles-can arm... Good luck! -- Andrew From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed May 27 11:35:53 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:35:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Activity Message-ID: <000001c9dee0$d2a9be30$77fd3a90$@rr.com> I've noticed a lot of activity on my site, but I have no idea who it was, nor what kind of speeds they were getting. Anyone who has downloaded from my site in the last couple of days from http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco_files/ please let me know if everything was o.k. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From brucewcalkins at charter.net Wed May 27 12:16:51 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:16:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Activity References: <000001c9dee0$d2a9be30$77fd3a90$@rr.com> Message-ID: > I've noticed a lot of activity on my site, but I have no idea who it was, > nor what kind of speeds they were getting. > > Anyone who has downloaded from my site in the last couple of days from > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco_files/ please let me know if everything was > o.k. > > Thanks I got some 1982 files last week with out any notable speed issues. Bruce W. From tim.stahlhut at gmail.com Wed May 27 15:23:03 2009 From: tim.stahlhut at gmail.com (Tim S) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Activity References: <000001c9dee0$d2a9be30$77fd3a90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Right now I have trouble downloading a few contents.txt Tim S Pinging server.sq1bbs.com [75.176.46.204] with 32 bytes of data: Request timed out. Request timed out. Request timed out. Request timed out. Ping statistics for 75.176.46.204: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss), Tracing route to cpe-075-176-046-204.carolina.res.rr.com [75.176.46.204] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 34 ms 32 ms 33 ms L100.AUBNIN-DSL-02.verizon-gni.net [71.97.176.1] 3 32 ms 33 ms 33 ms P0-2.AUBNIN-LCR-02.verizon-gni.net [130.81.34.34 ] 4 39 ms 39 ms 39 ms so-6-1-0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.net [130.81 .28.174] 5 88 ms 75 ms 49 ms so-7-0-0-0.CHI80-PEER-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130. 81.16.79] 6 39 ms 38 ms 38 ms 66-109-10-141.tbone.rr.com [66.109.10.141] 7 39 ms 39 ms 38 ms ae-1-0.cr0.chi30.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.154] 8 65 ms 119 ms 65 ms ae-4-0.cr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.24] 9 66 ms 65 ms 65 ms ae-0-0.cr0.nyc30.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.26] 10 103 ms 68 ms 67 ms ae-4-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.28] 11 68 ms 69 ms 68 ms ae-0-0.cr0.dca10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.30] 12 73 ms 73 ms 74 ms 66.109.6.81 13 79 ms 79 ms 78 ms ge4-0-0.chrlncsa-rtr1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.64 .170] 14 86 ms 87 ms 85 ms 24.93.66.238 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * From tim.stahlhut at gmail.com Wed May 27 15:45:39 2009 From: tim.stahlhut at gmail.com (Tim S) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Activity References: <000001c9dee0$d2a9be30$77fd3a90$@rr.com> Message-ID: My connection just started working at a good speed. Tim S From lothan at newsguy.com Wed May 27 19:59:06 2009 From: lothan at newsguy.com (Lothan) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Activity In-Reply-To: <000001c9dee0$d2a9be30$77fd3a90$@rr.com> References: <000001c9dee0$d2a9be30$77fd3a90$@rr.com> Message-ID: <233C755FFE7143099D8BF5E80A884818@Crossfire> I've been pulling down some Rainbow issues from your site for the past couple of days and the downloads are very reliable. I've been averaging around 20-40KB/sec download speed depending on the time of day. I really appreciate you taking the time to host the files on your site and for throttling the download speed. I've been wanting these issues for a long time, but I've been wary of gobbling up bandwidth given the large size of the files. Your use of throttling seems to work out perfectly... I can download the files at a leisurely pace while I continue working without worrying too much about gobbling up your bandwidth excessively. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:35 AM To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Subject: [Coco] Activity > I've noticed a lot of activity on my site, but I have no idea who it was, > nor what kind of speeds they were getting. > > Anyone who has downloaded from my site in the last couple of days from > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco_files/ please let me know if everything was > o.k. > > Thanks > > ______________________________________ > *Square One Christian BBS > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com > > A Taste of Coco > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Wed May 27 22:16:16 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:16:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution In-Reply-To: <200905250730.35970.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> <200905250730.35970.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200905272116.16753.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Monday 25 May 2009 06:30:35 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 25 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: > >By that reckoning, I'm 38 :) > > And I am 4A. Sounds a bit like a selective service classification. :) > Humm... isn't that the one that said too old?? This coming from a 3E. 8-))) From brucewcalkins at charter.net Wed May 27 21:34:54 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:34:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost><200905250730.35970.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200905272116.16753.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <97B7E908D42C4B58BC8DDEE478DBC796@speedy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "richec" > On Monday 25 May 2009 06:30:35 Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Monday 25 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >> >By that reckoning, I'm 38 :) >> >> And I am 4A. Sounds a bit like a selective service classification. :) >> > Humm... isn't that the one that said too old?? This coming from a 3E. > 8-))) > Well, I was classed 4F "unclassified." But I'm nowhere near that old. Bruce W. From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Wed May 27 22:30:07 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:30:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! (CoCo magazine scans) In-Reply-To: <20090522123047.SM00128@[208.76.35.239]> References: <20090522123047.SM00128@[208.76.35.239]> Message-ID: <200905272130.07372.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> > I'll (mis)quote Jack Nicholson as Col. Jessup in 'A Few Good Men': > "...I'd prefer you just said 'Thank You' and went about your business.." WOW! Great quote! I WILL have remember that one. And I did like that movie very much, it was one of Tom Cruise's best, along with Top Gun. I too want to give a heartfelt THANK YOU to all those who took precious time out of their lives to scan those mags in using whatever method they chose. "For what is life? is not a vapor that appears for a little time and is gone?" Folks, after these two or three generations are gone, no one will give a rat's behind about any of this stuff. So let's settle down and enjoy what we have while we have it. That's my .02s worth. 8-) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed May 27 22:39:18 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:39:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Pyramid solution In-Reply-To: <200905272116.16753.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <1243193743.10340.9.camel@localhost> <200905250730.35970.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200905272116.16753.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <200905272239.19068.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 27 May 2009, richec wrote: >On Monday 25 May 2009 06:30:35 Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Monday 25 May 2009, Bob Devries wrote: >> >By that reckoning, I'm 38 :) >> >> And I am 4A. Sounds a bit like a selective service classification. :) > >Humm... isn't that the one that said too old?? This coming from a 3E. 8-))) Dunno. My real classification was 4F. Somebody who makes a 98 on the AFQT can think and _won't_ blindly follow orders. They were looking for cannon targets, not officer material. Suited me, Korea wasn't my war anyway. But we'll be back in there within a year, bet the farm on it, one excuse or another. Or we'll send a few predators with instructions to blow his ass & all the rest of the top stooges into the next drainage. And now I really am too darned old. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Simon: "It's okay to leave them to die." --"Serenity" From wdg3rd at comcast.net Thu May 28 04:57:53 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Off Topic, extremely, since I'm ranting now and then Re: Drivewire for Linux In-Reply-To: <155106273.1842241243500188623.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <11645109.1842841243501073892.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > From: "Steven Hirsch" > To: "Bill" > Cc: "Color Computer Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:02:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux > > On Tue, 26 May 2009, Bill wrote: > > > No offense taken, Steve, I understand what you are saying. > > > > I?ve been ?tinkering? with Linux for several years now, and have set > up > > several ?Linux boxes?. Unfortunately, I spent too much time on the > > hardware aspect of the computers, and not enough on the software. > > Bill, > > (I'm copying the list, since this may be of help to others) > > First of all, could I ask you to use ASCII text only in your e-mail? > You > have all the Microsoft markup things turned on and it makes it almost > > impossible to read under Unix. Also, it's generally considered more > courteous to add your replies underneath the prior respondant's. I'm > not > a fascist in this regard, but will warn you that a number of > individuals > out there regard it as a hanging offense! I have to back up Steve here, in a couple of areas. One, top-posting is indeed a hanging offense, and the Mickeysoft markup deserves harsher punishment, like not hanging all the way (you can reach the ground with your toes, not your heels -- so it takes a lot longer to die -- think about it). Since when do you have to consider the hardware aspect of a Linux system unless you're setting up a multimedia box ten years ago? Stuff pretty much works, unlike when you're trying to build a Windoze gaming system from scratch (haven't tried it myself, but I've chatted with the kids at Micro-Center's BYOB counter). (That's Build Your Own Box, and it's great for a Linux geek, but for a Windoze gamer, some extreme competence must be brought along, as whatever the complaints are that "Linux is hard to install" these complaints are from folks who never installed 'doze (since it was always pre-installed when they bought their box). I've been a Linux geek since 3/1993 (and a Unix geek for a decade previous since the Shack started shipping Xenix (to normal customers, but I had a contact at a local beta site in Los Angeles so I had a couple months heads-up) 1/83, well before they started shipping OS-9, since I did tech support at various RSCCs from 1980 to 1986). I even had a bit of head's up on OS-9 from my contacts in the Color Computer Community since as far as I know I was the only Tandy employee in the LA metro area who ever supported the beast (since my only chance at extra pay was based on total store sales less returns and almost everybody I worked with was an idiot [excepting most technical and rare management staff] my chances at commission were rare -- in fact, I am not unashamed to admit that during my 5.4 years with the Shack, I am probably responsible for over half a million bucks in lost sales because I was tired of the million bucks in returns I'd tried to prevent -- I was never welcome at any Computerland, since that's where I sent the idiots I wasn't willing to support, there was one a block away from the RSCC in downtown L.A.). (Jerry promises you this Xenix system will do you everything you need it to -- it won't -- but the MacIntosh the have a block down is perfect for you and all of the software will work right the first time [at no time in my life have I ever claimed not to be an asshole, even as a child Baptist and Republican, let alone for over for for over forty years as an atheist and over twenty as an anarchist -- the real kind, anti government, not just scruffy socialist goth kids breaking windows]). I won't claim to be a Color Computer or OS-9 expert. In fact, the day that OS-9 Level One arrived at my RSCC and I took it home to find out if my 32k CC1 had good 64k chips was the day that burglars took my CoCo, its disk drives, my LP8 and a few other valuables (the guy from the LAPD demonstrated how easy it was to open the patio door in our apartment, and I'd already noticed the new issue of 80-Micro on the couch [in the time too thick to fit in the mailbox, so I assume the thieves saw it in the hopper beneath, and decided to go look if the addressee had a computer] though they ignored the Baltic amber my ex had, I guess it wasn't shiny enough). But I _am_ the first guy to set up a multi-user OS-9 Level One system in an RSCC in Southern California (possibly in any RSCC anywhere, and I might have been the last as well -- though I know a couple of Level Two systems were set up later, possibly based on my example and the items I wrote for a newsletter addressed to RSCC instructors and service reps). The documentation was similar to the Xenix material I was still learning and some of the commands implied it might work. I rigged a DIN null-modem between a 64k box with a floppy drive and a 16k box with a Vidtex ROM. It worked, a multi-user system that would cost you $1,087.63 including CA (plus L.A. add-on) sales tax, based on at-the-time sale prices and the assumption you already had two TV sets (generally a safe assumption in Los Angeles though not the case in my apt for a while after the burglary). It was nothing but a proof-of-concept. It worked. True, you lost characters if the floppy was operating and you were typing on the "terminal". I forget if I showed it to Steve Bjork one of the times he came to visit his fiancee (who worked in our repair center sometimes). I do know the guys from Big-5 Software thought it was moby cool, but they only did Z-80 stuff. Yeah, I'm a Linux geek. Not sorry to be one. And I play with xtrs a lot more than with xmame. In the backalong I won regular playing Leo Christopherson's "Klendathu" (yes, I usually achieved "sovereign franchise", but I actually knew the source of the term long before (by several decades) that gawdawful movie, since I read the novel _Starship Troopers_ when I was about 10, 1965 or so, so I knew what Leo based the bug hunt on and I"d still like to see a copy of the "classroom edition" since no copy ever showed up at any RSCC I worked at or with). I have rarely made past two or three levels of a Big 5 game (well, I have never bragged about hand-eye coordination, as I have little). As a "gamer" my game is rogue and its descendants (yes, I have taken the prize a couple of times, and once I got back to the surface before I died -- I have never "not died" in such games), that don't require a lot of reflexes. Thinking about it, Klendathu is the _only_ game I win consistently. I'll never do computer tech support (or system administration, which is worse and even more thankless) full-time again. When La Esposa doesn't need the medical plan from the job I do as a clerk (yeah, the ad said "computer guy" and I update the web page (poorly designed and not by me, it's a bitch to update, and the catalog [based on MS-Publisher, and I'd rather rebuild it with Scribus, but it's over 300 pages]) I'll open my chili restaurant in the next state east from Dennis. You wouldn't like to know why the planned name of the place is "Fire!", with little relationship to the alleged spiciness of chili. But I hope to have a range in the basement. You'd probably think the 10% discount for anybody with an effective means of self-defense (and I don't mean a certificate from a karate school) was a bit nuts, but check the crime statistics for Vermont and New Hampshire and compare them to New York and southern New England. Yeah, call me a libertarian "gun nut" but that is not unconnected with my Linux geekiness. I just turned turned 54 and I haven't had my "mid-life" crisis yet. I'm looking forward to it. I've already outlived anybody with my Y-chromosome except my dad (who was on life-support at the San Diego VA hospital for four years starting at 52 due to liver failure). In two years I break the record. (Most of my ancestors didn't reach 40 because of that "black lung" thing many coal miners got. Granddad was the first in the line to break out of that and died of a heart attack at 53. (Mind you, he was with a lady Dad hooked up with after Mom kicked him out a couple years later). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Fri May 29 13:29:05 2009 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] May I have another? Message-ID: <139815.54673.qm@web52311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I asked for and got an old coco 2 case, (thanks again Alan), but, now I've decided to use a full sized keyboard for my coco project. So, I'm wondering if there's another case out there sitting around that can be used to build my Frankenstein of a computer? If you have one that you don't need, please consider donating. I can pay the shipping. Thanks. Ben From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri May 29 15:48:33 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:48:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Chat room Message-ID: <000c01c9e096$76116ee0$62344ca0$@rr.com> Anyone who is interested: The Coco chat room is open. It's Ventrilo chat room, (download Ventrilo client v3.x at www.ventrilo.com/download.php). Super easy to set up. The hostname is: www.sq1bbs.com, and the Port number is: 3784 It's free (so is the software), and everyone is welcome. ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php Ventrilo chat room: Hostname: www.sq1bbs.com Port number: 3784 From operator at coco3.com Fri May 29 19:28:56 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:28:56 -0500 Subject: [Coco] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! In-Reply-To: <109269.60747.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <109269.60747.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20090529181703.05ef8438@coco3.com> At 11:08 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >UGH! > >People were cryin' to have this done, now they're cryin' because >they don't like the size of the file, or the output of the file is illegible. > >NOW... DO WE HAVE AN EXPERT among us to do the conversion???? Will >said expert do this work for free or cheaply???? > >Are we not happy unless there's something to complain about >people??? Is it any wonder we lose people on this list when better >than half the time every few months we fill the list with flames or >whining about what's the better format to use; this one's too big, >that one is so small it can't be read, or My gadget will destroy >your gadget on the market. Are we adults here or are we just a >bunch of spoiled rotten 2 year olds??? What's it going to take, the >list to dwindle down to just those complainers??? The positive side to this is somebody could take the currently offered scans and just rework them if needed. On the other hand, DVD copies of this stuff are fine in raw format. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sat May 30 01:07:43 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:07:43 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Washington State or Seattle area CoConuts? Message-ID: <889830d00905292207y294f91e6he731e10f1742ab9b@mail.gmail.com> A while back I posted to the list about getting in touch with other Washington State (specifically Seattle area) CoConuts but really didn't follow through with the replies. I'd like to know if any local CoConuts would like to get together some time over the summer. Maybe meet at a central location and just talk shop for a couple of hours. Drop me a line if you are interested. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sat May 30 01:09:16 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Manuals? Message-ID: <889830d00905292209n772569ffmaca23745f5735577@mail.gmail.com> I have some spare manuals I was going to give to someone who was new to the list (vacuumboy?) but I never heard back from him. If you still need CoCo manuals, drop me a line. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sat May 30 01:11:06 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:11:06 -0700 Subject: [Coco] WIRED: Homebrewed CPU Is a Beautiful Mess of Wires Message-ID: <889830d00905292211g1266bb63w1845804730571206@mail.gmail.com> Some of you may be interested in the latest entry on my 8-Bit blog: WIRED: Homebrewed CPU Is a Beautiful Mess of Wires http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/2009/05/wired-homebrewed-cpu-is-beautiful-mess.html Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From tvefoo at yahoo.com Sat May 30 10:46:24 2009 From: tvefoo at yahoo.com (Tveo Loatouse) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 07:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Which Clock2 do I need? Message-ID: <137763.98401.qm@web58108.mail.re3.yahoo.com> What Clock2 module do I need for Vcc? It says that I have a Cloud9 RTC in MPI slot 3. I like to fix it. when I boot nitros-9 v.3.2.8 default disk from nitros-9 project the clock and date seems to be wrong. Also, is there a way to get a 12 hour clock display, with AM|PM, instead of the 24 hour display? I am running Vcc inside of wine inside of slackware 12.2 Thanks. tvefoo From tlindner at macmess.org Sat May 30 13:57:21 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCoMag In-Reply-To: <007701c9dce4$518896d0$f499c470$@com> Message-ID: <1j0cbzy.voj8g81ayi6usM%tlindner@macmess.org> Steve Bjork wrote: > [...] > Take a look at Tim Lindner's work and find someone that has done it right! Tom Seagrove wrote: > [...] > I jump in and out of Tim's site to help out. That would be a great format > to run the Rainbows through once we finish the current project on his site. These sentiments are really nice to hear. For those of you who don't know, I run the CoCoMag project. It's a web site where people come together and digitize CoCo Magazines. Last year I setup Dennis' UnderColor magazine, in just over a month all of the articles were OCRed, human checked (twice) and assembled into a serviceable web site that is being crawled by the search engines. Even the advertisements and filler are cataloged. http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml A few months ago I started doing the same thing with the Rainbow: http://cocomag.dyndns.org/TheRainbow.shtml We are nearing completion of the seventh issue, and everything is going smoothly. Come visit the site, help with tasks if you want. Or just read the articles. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sat May 30 17:21:40 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:21:40 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Spectral Associates Message-ID: <889830d00905301421u7c1e805m562603ecaedfed12@mail.gmail.com> I'm currently digging through my CoCo stuff (again) and while sorting through the boxes I have come across several items from Spectral Associates of Tacoma WA. which is just 30 or so miles from where I live. I wish I had gotten to know these people when I was first active with the CoCo. Does anyone have any information about them? I found the Wiki article for them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_Associates I take it Don Connolly was the owner/founder of the company. It would be a blast to contact him and see what he is up too. Drop me a line if you have any leads or info. Cheers, Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sat May 30 20:49:34 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:49:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Which Clock2 do I need? In-Reply-To: <137763.98401.qm@web58108.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <137763.98401.qm@web58108.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A21D41E.2020600@worldnet.att.net> Tveo Loatouse wrote: > What Clock2 module do I need for Vcc? It says that I have a Cloud9 RTC in MPI slot 3. I like to fix it. when I boot nitros-9 v.3.2.8 default disk from nitros-9 project the clock and date seems to be wrong. Also, is there a way to get a 12 hour clock display, with AM|PM, instead of the 24 hour display? > > I am running Vcc inside of wine inside of slackware 12.2 Thanks. > > tvefoo > If you look carefully at the NitrOS-9 distribution disks, you will find a Clock directory. In that directory are many clock2 modules. One, clock2_cloud9, should work with VCC. Just build a new boot disk using the scripts on the distribution disks after selecting the desired clock2 module. From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun May 31 00:35:25 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:35:25 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) Message-ID: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> While going through my stuff I came across a software package called Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are still sealed. Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in the UK. I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on the following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I (68000), Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested in it the please contac me. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun May 31 00:41:15 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:41:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) In-Reply-To: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <889830d00905302141o5b4ad392t8f7de074f5d83323@mail.gmail.com> Just following up, the label on the disk indicates the software is for "OS9 L2 CoCo III - OS9/TAN/CC3?SD/540 So it looks like this package is exclusively for the CoCo 3. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > While going through my stuff I came across a software package called > Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are still > sealed. > > Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in the UK. > > I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on the > following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I (68000), > Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. > > If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested in it > the please contac me. > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun May 31 01:07:41 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:07:41 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) References: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> <889830d00905302141o5b4ad392t8f7de074f5d83323@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3852AD83914C4609B59F5E7DE0A4856A@master> Hi, Jim. Sculptor is a database engine which compiles its code to an intermediate code file, much like Basic09. It is these files which are compatible between platforms, but the runtime package must be installed on the platforms in use. I also have the OS9/6809 version of Sculptor as well as the OS9/68000 version (I think). -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cox" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) > Just following up, the label on the disk indicates the software is for > "OS9 > L2 CoCo III - OS9/TAN/CC3?SD/540 > > So it looks like this package is exclusively for the CoCo 3. > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > >> While going through my stuff I came across a software package called >> Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are >> still >> sealed. >> >> Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in the >> UK. >> >> I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on the >> following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I (68000), >> Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. >> >> If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested in it >> the please contac me. >> >> Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From flexser at fiu.edu Sun May 31 03:27:36 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 03:27:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Spectral Associates In-Reply-To: <889830d00905301421u7c1e805m562603ecaedfed12@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00905301421u7c1e805m562603ecaedfed12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm curious, too. To the best of my recollection, Spectral Associates never participated in CoCo online forums, nor appeared at Rainbowfests. Art On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > I'm currently digging through my CoCo stuff (again) and while sorting > through the boxes I have come across several items from Spectral Associates > of Tacoma WA. which is just 30 or so miles from where I live. > > I wish I had gotten to know these people when I was first active with the > CoCo. ?Does anyone have any information about them? > > I found the Wiki article for them: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_Associates > > I take it Don Connolly was the owner/founder of the company. ?It would be a > blast to contact him and see what he is up too. > > Drop me a line if you have any leads or info. > > Cheers, > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun May 31 10:26:08 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:26:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] What version of VCC do you use? In-Reply-To: <889830d00905042326sbf259bfp4ab0b5466628f722@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00905042326sbf259bfp4ab0b5466628f722@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jim, I've just spent the last week catching up on the list. I didn't see any responses to your question, but here is my 2 cents. I'm using Vcc 1.40. No issues. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cox > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:26 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] What version of VCC do you use? > > I am planning to start using VCC and I would like to know > what version most people use. I am asking this because there > is a note on the site about version 1.40 may cause problems. > Do you prefer to use 1.16 or 1.17 over 1.40? > > This is the site I am referencing: > http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/downloads.html > > Thanks! > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun May 31 10:27:47 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:27:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Microware C Compiler port In-Reply-To: References: <168184.75477.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, I haven't seen much on this lately. How is the testing/porting going? > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:27 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Microware C Compiler port > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Bill Barnes wrote: > > > Hmmm, I thought it was this way: printf("long int: > %l",longint); I do > > know that using "%d" deals with an int though, never seen it > > referenced as "%ld" > > I can only speak from experience with ANSI C compilers and > modern libraries, but I've never seen a case where '%l' was > legal syntax for printf substitutions. '%d' represents > integer and '%ld' represents long int. > > > As far as length.... compiler specific. only guarantees is > long is not > > smaller than an int, and int is not shorter than a short. I > forget the > > OS-9 C (CoCo) lengths, and don't feel like chasing down my manual. > > Very true. The absolute sizes of these things is totally > dependent on the compiler and/or compilation mode. > > Steve > > > -- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Sun May 31 10:37:35 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:37:35 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) In-Reply-To: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A22962F.10603@embarqmail.com> Jim Cox wrote: > While going through my stuff I came across a software package called > Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are still > sealed. > > Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in the UK. > > I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on the > following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I (68000), > Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. > > If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested in it > the please contac me. > One year at the Chicago Fest someone gave a demonstration on it. They were using it is some way with NASA. That may have been close to 15 years ago. From curtisboyle at sasktel.net Sun May 31 11:14:10 2009 From: curtisboyle at sasktel.net (L. Curtis Boyle) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:14:10 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) In-Reply-To: <4A22962F.10603@embarqmail.com> References: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> <4A22962F.10603@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <740AEA3A-F57A-4F71-9809-3771F39AADC3@sasktel.net> Frank Hogg was the reseller for it in the USA. Sent from my iPhone L. Curtis Boyle On May 31, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Dave Kelly wrote: > Jim Cox wrote: >> While going through my stuff I came across a software package called >> Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software >> are still >> sealed. >> Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in >> the UK. >> I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed >> on the >> following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I >> (68000), >> Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. >> If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested >> in it >> the please contac me. >> > One year at the Chicago Fest someone gave a demonstration on it. > They were using it is some way with NASA. That may have been close > to 15 years ago. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From snhirsch at gmail.com Sun May 31 11:37:51 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Microware C Compiler port In-Reply-To: References: <168184.75477.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 May 2009, Paul Fitch wrote: > Steve, I haven't seen much on this lately. How is the testing/porting > going? Beats me. I received essentially zero feedback from users and have been too busy myself to spend much time on it. -- From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun May 31 14:25:04 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:25:04 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) In-Reply-To: <4A22962F.10603@embarqmail.com> References: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> <4A22962F.10603@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <889830d00905311125i3be9d451rea03c0f81768d272@mail.gmail.com> Once I get going again with the CoCo my focus will be on something other than databases, so I would like to know if there is anyone out there in CoColand interested in playing around with it? This software is from one of the boxes of stuff that was given to me about 8 years ago, so it didn't cost me anything, and I would like to give it to someone as a contribution to the community. If you are serious about working with this, then drop me a note. Maybe GCCC might be interested in checking it out then auctioning it off at the next Fest. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Dave Kelly wrote: > Jim Cox wrote: > >> While going through my stuff I came across a software package called >> Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are >> still >> sealed. >> >> Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in the >> UK. >> >> I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on the >> following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I (68000), >> Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. >> >> If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested in it >> the please contac me. >> >> One year at the Chicago Fest someone gave a demonstration on it. They > were using it is some way with NASA. That may have been close to 15 years > ago. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun May 31 14:27:01 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:27:01 -0700 Subject: [Coco] What version of VCC do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <889830d00905042326sbf259bfp4ab0b5466628f722@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <889830d00905311127o6962b7cfp93e5c3d62f1609c1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Paul. I am still ramping up (I have to focus on finding a job before playing with the CoCo), but I want to eventually start archiving all the software that was given to me by others, or that I rescued, and I people have been suggesting that I use VCC as part of the archiving process. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Paul Fitch wrote: > Jim, I've just spent the last week catching up on the list. I didn't see > any responses to your question, but here is my 2 cents. > > I'm using Vcc 1.40. No issues. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cox > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:26 AM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: [Coco] What version of VCC do you use? > > > > I am planning to start using VCC and I would like to know > > what version most people use. I am asking this because there > > is a note on the site about version 1.40 may cause problems. > > Do you prefer to use 1.16 or 1.17 over 1.40? > > > > This is the site I am referencing: > > http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/downloads.html > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim Cox > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun May 31 15:40:17 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:40:17 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Color Computer Manuals And Books AvailableColor Computer Manuals And Books Available Message-ID: <889830d00905311240q30b5619cj4bf293410cd34d4f@mail.gmail.com> I have gone through all my CoCo manuals and manuals, and sorted out all the duplicates. I would prefer to give these manuals and books, to the CoCo community, so preference will be given to members of this list. Check out the link at: http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/2009/05/color-computer-manuals-and-books.html If GCCC is interested in any of this stuff, they are welcome to take it all. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun May 31 17:03:31 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Crunch? In-Reply-To: <000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie> References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy> <000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie> Message-ID: <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig> Stephen, I downloaded the zip file on COCO3.com, and I think the Urbane.dsk file is currupted? Its certianly smaller than my other .DSK files. It shows only 126k when all the others are 158K. VCC won't let me load it into the "disk drive". > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen H. Fischer > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:47 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch? > > Hi, > > Tooting my own horn, as I am the author. > > "URBANE" is a alternate solution resulting in I suspect the > smallest DECB programs. > > http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=4 > > "Urbane is designed to allow any DECB program to be written > without line numbers and with unique variables of any length. > All DECB commands and functions are supported and version > 1.060202 is considered complete and ready for use in writing > any DECB program. " > > Stephen H. Fischer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diego Barizo" > To: "CoCo List" > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:41 PM > Subject: [Coco] Crunch? > > > >A while ago, someone who's name now evades me, was nice > enough to send me a > >great program called "Crunch". > > It did a wonderful job getting rid of spaces and other > unnecessary stuff > > from my BASIC programs. > > But the disk where I had it AND the backup :-( both died on me. > > Any chance someone around there still has it and could send > it to me? > > Thanks, > > Diego > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun May 31 18:09:11 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Crunch? In-Reply-To: <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig> References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy> <000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie> <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <4A230007.7080005@worldnet.att.net> Paul Fitch wrote: > Stephen, I downloaded the zip file on COCO3.com, and I think the Urbane.dsk > file is currupted? Its certianly smaller than my other .DSK files. It shows > only 126k when all the others are 158K. VCC won't let me load it into the > "disk drive". > I just tried that .dsk image. I loads in VCC but does not work correctly. You can mount it in MESS and the disk behaves correctly. It looks like the problem is in VCC 1.40 not the disk image. From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com Sun May 31 19:10:21 2009 From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:10:21 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane In-Reply-To: <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <042CB927DE87415497B8731D3031F31B@Shasta> Hi, Let me know if you have any further problems. I developed Urbane using the CoCo 2 Emulator after starting with the FLEX emulator. The current download counts are: urbane [544] download_urbane [385] I think Roger has reset the counters at least three times so the real download counts are higher. I have not had any feedback so far (I think it was 2002) so either I did a perfect job or more likely, as the source is part of the project, they were just fixed. SHF "Paul Fitch" wrote in message news:592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0 at Dell3Gig... > Stephen, I downloaded the zip file on COCO3.com, and I think the > Urbane.dsk > file is currupted? Its certianly smaller than my other .DSK files. It > shows > only 126k when all the others are 158K. VCC won't let me load it into the > "disk drive". > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org >> [mailto:coco-bounces-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org] On Behalf >> Of Stephen H. Fischer >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:47 AM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch? >> >> Hi, >> >> Tooting my own horn, as I am the author. >> >> "URBANE" is a alternate solution resulting in I suspect the >> smallest DECB programs. >> >> http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=4 >> >> "Urbane is designed to allow any DECB program to be written >> without line numbers and with unique variables of any length. >> All DECB commands and functions are supported and version >> 1.060202 is considered complete and ready for use in writing >> any DECB program. " >> >> Stephen H. Fischer >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diego Barizo" >> To: "CoCo List" >> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:41 PM >> Subject: [Coco] Crunch? >> >> >> >A while ago, someone who's name now evades me, was nice >> enough to send me a >> >great program called "Crunch". >> > It did a wonderful job getting rid of spaces and other >> unnecessary stuff >> > from my BASIC programs. >> > But the disk where I had it AND the backup :-( both died on me. >> > Any chance someone around there still has it and could send >> it to me? >> > Thanks, >> > Diego >> From operator at coco3.com Sun May 31 19:42:58 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Crunch? In-Reply-To: <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig> References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy> <000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie> <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com> At 04:03 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: >Stephen, I downloaded the zip file on COCO3.com, and I think the Urbane.dsk >file is currupted? Its certianly smaller than my other .DSK files. It shows >only 126k when all the others are 158K. VCC won't let me load it into the >"disk drive". I just checked and my local copy of the .dsk file is also 126k. Maybe the author will e-mail me another copy so I can replace it. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From cdiman7 at flash.net Sun May 31 21:19:14 2009 From: cdiman7 at flash.net (Karl Sefcik) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) In-Reply-To: <740AEA3A-F57A-4F71-9809-3771F39AADC3@sasktel.net> References: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> <4A22962F.10603@embarqmail.com> <740AEA3A-F57A-4F71-9809-3771F39AADC3@sasktel.net> Message-ID: <4A232C92.5050309@flash.net> Hi all, Seems there were 2 demos on Sculptor, maybe the same year. I remember the NASA demo used it to compile the readings from launch sensors on the Shuttle (this may have been with the old control room). Then there was a demo (I think it was the next day) from the Cleveland Power Utility, how they can automatically read and compile the power usage for their customers. Karl Sefcik L. Curtis Boyle wrote: > Frank Hogg was the reseller for it in the USA. > > Sent from my iPhone > L. Curtis Boyle > > > On May 31, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Dave Kelly wrote: > >> Jim Cox wrote: >>> While going through my stuff I came across a software package called >>> Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are >>> still >>> sealed. >>> Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in >>> the UK. >>> I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on >>> the >>> following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I >>> (68000), >>> Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. >>> If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested >>> in it >>> the please contac me. >>> >> One year at the Chicago Fest someone gave a demonstration on it. They >> were using it is some way with NASA. That may have been close to 15 >> years ago. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From grumpyx at gmail.com Sun May 31 21:20:12 2009 From: grumpyx at gmail.com (Grumpyx) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:20:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) In-Reply-To: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A coco'er here in Chattanooga named Albert Yates was an active developer in Sculptor, I lost track of him after I moved to West Texas. I wonder where he is these days... I looked for a copy of Sculptor to purchase, but never found one when I was old enough to afford it :) Albert was older then me, so maybe he's in his late 50' - early 60's I think he was an engineer at Signal Mtn Cement Co at the time. Let me know if you happen to know where he is Malcom. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Jim Cox wrote: > While going through my stuff I came across a software package called > Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are still > sealed. > > Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in the UK. > > I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on the > following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I (68000), > Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. > > If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested in it > the please contac me. > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun May 31 21:53:39 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:53:39 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Color Computer Manuals And Books AvailableColor Computer Manuals And Books Available In-Reply-To: <889830d00905311240q30b5619cj4bf293410cd34d4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00905311240q30b5619cj4bf293410cd34d4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <889830d00905311853r650ceffdvbe4c6ccc769c8903@mail.gmail.com> I need to call time out for a day or two to sort out all the requests. Please do not send any more requests until I post again. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > I have gone through all my CoCo manuals and manuals, and sorted out all the > duplicates. I would prefer to give these manuals and books, to the CoCo > community, so preference will be given to members of this list. > > Check out the link at: > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/2009/05/color-computer-manuals-and-books.html > > If GCCC is interested in any of this stuff, they are welcome to take it > all. > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > From fredprov5 at usfamily.net Sun May 31 22:46:52 2009 From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:46:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A234120.8080508@usfamily.net> > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:35:25 -0700 > From: Jim Cox > Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Message-ID: > <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > While going through my stuff I came across a software package called > Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are still > sealed. > > Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in the UK. > > I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on the > following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I (68000), > Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. > > If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested in it > the please contac me. > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ Sculptor was distributed by Frank Hogg Laboratories. It's often considered the best database program available for the Coco3. Back in the day it was quite an expensive package, beyond my budget at the time. It's quite a rare item. I'd love to have a copy of it, but I've never been able to find one. Any chances that images of those disks and docs could be made and uploaded somewhere? Fred Provoncha Stansbury Park, UT --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- From t.fadden at cox.net Sun May 31 23:07:24 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:07:24 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) In-Reply-To: <4A234120.8080508@usfamily.net> References: <4A234120.8080508@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <4A2345EC.7010405@cox.net> Fred D. Provoncha wrote: >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:35:25 -0700 >> From: Jim Cox >> Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000) >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Message-ID: >> <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66 at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> While going through my stuff I came across a software package called >> Sculptor. The main components of the manual and all the software are >> still >> sealed. >> >> Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in >> the UK. >> >> I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on >> the >> following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I >> (68000), >> Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS. >> >> If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested >> in it >> the please contac me. >> >> Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > Sculptor was distributed by Frank Hogg Laboratories. It's often > considered the best database program available for the Coco3. Back in > the day it was quite an expensive package, beyond my budget at the > time. It's quite a rare item. I'd love to have a copy of it, but I've > never been able to find one. Any chances that images of those disks > and docs could be made and uploaded somewhere? > > Fred Provoncha > Stansbury Park, UT > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > I did service work for Kodak, and used Sculptor to keep track of my parts inventory. I had a vt100 set up in my garage with a serial cable through the attic to my coco. Part of the data base compiling was setting up the terminal to be used. So when I logged on from the vt100 all the menu's worked properly on the screen etc. Worked pretty slick. I only had around 500 parts, but I kept track of what was in my trunk, and what was orderd,a nd in the mail. etc. I could also pull many types of reports to print etc. Had a customer database with sculptor also. It worked for mailing labels etc. Its all still working to. Except now I can log on to it from any where via telnet! Tim