From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Mon Jun  1 00:52:25 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:52:25 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>
	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>

Hi,

Robert Gault says the problem is with VCC, whatever that is.

Actually, anyone can create all that is important in the "dsk" file by

transferring "ubn_in.txt" and "ubn_out.txt" using their emulators import 
file function. (Files in Urbane.zip)

Transfer the text files using your favorite emulator to a "dsk".

Load "ubn_out.txt" into DECB and then save the program in compressed format 
with the name "urbane.bas".

I don't have an CoCo emulator handy to test but as "urbane.bas" is also in 
the zip, it might just be all you need to transfer.

"urbane.bas" is all that is needed to use Urbane for your own programs.

"ubn_in.txt" is only needed if you want to make changes in the preprocessor.

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?


> At 04:03 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote:
>>Stephen, I downloaded the zip file on COCO3.com, and I think the 
>>Urbane.dsk
>>file is currupted? Its certianly smaller than my other .DSK files.  It 
>>shows
>>only 126k when all the others are 158K.  VCC won't let me load it into the
>>"disk drive".
>
> I just checked and my local copy of the .dsk file is also 126k.  Maybe the 
> author will e-mail me another copy so I can replace it.
>
> -- 
> Roger Taylor



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 01:30:18 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:30:18 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000)
References: <mailman.21.1243778416.21085.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<4A234120.8080508@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <1067175B195442DE898697174286FDED@master>

Sculptor is available at: 
http://www.clubltdstudios.com/coco/downunder/OS9/Sculptor.zip
Docs and DSK images are included in that 3.3MB file

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred D. Provoncha" <fredprov5 at usfamily.net>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000)


>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:35:25 -0700
>> From: Jim Cox <nutz4coco at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000)
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> While going through my stuff I came across a software package called
>> Sculptor.  The main components of the manual and all the software are 
>> still
>> sealed.
>>
>> Sculptor was made in 1987 by Microprocessor Developments Limited in the 
>> UK.
>>
>> I don't know much else about the software, but it can be installed on the
>> following OSs: MS DOS / PC DOS, OS9 Level II (6809), OS9 Level I (68000),
>> Uniflex (6809), Uniflex (68000), Unix / Xenix, and Vax VMS.
>>
>> If anyone knows anything about this software and / or is interested in it
>> the please contac me.
>>
>> Jim Cox
>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/
>> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/
>
> Sculptor was distributed by Frank Hogg Laboratories. It's often considered 
> the best database program available for the Coco3. Back in the day it was 
> quite an expensive package, beyond my budget at the time. It's quite a 
> rare item. I'd love to have a copy of it, but I've never been able to find 
> one. Any chances that images of those disks and docs could be made and 
> uploaded somewhere?
>
> Fred Provoncha
> Stansbury Park, UT
>
>
>
>
>
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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jun  1 07:23:18 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:23:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com>
	<9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>
Message-ID: <4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>

Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Robert Gault says the problem is with VCC, whatever that is.

VCC is a Coco3 emulator. It has problems with disk images that are not 
full sizes - 35 or 40 tracks - when there is data in T0S1. In those 
cases, the size of the image is calculated from LSN0 as if the disk were 
an OS-9 disk. That is why the Urbane.dsk image does not work with VCC.

What ever was used to create the disk image placed ubn_in.txt in gran 0 
and then did not populate unused sectors at the end of the image so it 
is less than a full 35 tracks.


From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Mon Jun  1 15:41:30 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:41:30 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com><9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>
	<4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <BC2E339BC10248DA97370665B47B42C6@Shasta>

Hi,

Jeff's CoCo2 Emulator, the first (of now how many emulators?) was used.

So a later emulator has imposed an requirement that the original first 
emulator does not meet.

Does this mean that all ".dsk" files created by his emulators are now non 
compliant?

Are all ".dsk" images copied from actual CoCo Floppies now non compliant?

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gault" <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane


> Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Robert Gault says the problem is with VCC, whatever that is.
>
> VCC is a Coco3 emulator. It has problems with disk images that are not 
> full sizes - 35 or 40 tracks - when there is data in T0S1. In those cases, 
> the size of the image is calculated from LSN0 as if the disk were an OS-9 
> disk. That is why the Urbane.dsk image does not work with VCC.
>
> What ever was used to create the disk image placed ubn_in.txt in gran 0 
> and then did not populate unused sectors at the end of the image so it is 
> less than a full 35 tracks.
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
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From yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  1 16:19:38 2009
From: yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com (Richard Adams)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:19:38 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Spectral Associates
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1243778416.21085.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.21.1243778416.21085.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-W8BDB78015B7F5579F7CDCB64C0@phx.gbl>


Jim,

 

The Wikipedia entry was in error, Spectral Associates sold some of their software via Tandy initially, some via direct order. The Wikipedia entry said they sold exclusively through Radio Shack. They may have reached that point at some juncture, but not initially, as I bought a number of programs from them directly. I corrected the Wikipedia entry accordingly.
> 
> I found the Wiki article for them:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_Associates
> 
> I take it Don Connolly was the owner/founder of the company. It would be a
> blast to contact him and see what he is up too.
> 
> Drop me a line if you have any leads or info.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/
> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/
> 


SNIP

 

Art,

 

I don't recall if Spectral Associates showed up for the Chicago Rainbowfest that I attended, but they were definitely at the single Ft. Worth Rainbowfest, as I spent considerable time hanging around their booth in hopes of seeing some of the games they were planning to initially release there. I seem to remember the guys manning their booth as being Todd and Brett Keeton.

 

Regards,

 

Richard

 

> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 03:27:36 -0400
> From: Arthur Flexser <flexser at fiu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Spectral Associates
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID:
> <dbdeb2610905310027o76ce45a9x1451e77a926d9b5a at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I'm curious, too. To the best of my recollection, Spectral Associates
> never participated in CoCo online forums, nor appeared at
> Rainbowfests.
> 
> Art




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From davidlinsley at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 16:21:31 2009
From: davidlinsley at gmail.com (David Linsley)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:21:31 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Spectral Associates
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-W8BDB78015B7F5579F7CDCB64C0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.21.1243778416.21085.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<BAY113-W8BDB78015B7F5579F7CDCB64C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9bbc335b0906011321k3dcc0adue74c637cbbfb1005@mail.gmail.com>

Of note, many of those titles were also redistributed by Dragon Data in the
UK and were thought of as classics - especially Lunar Rover Patrol.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Richard Adams <yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Jim,
>
>
>
> The Wikipedia entry was in error, Spectral Associates sold some of their
> software via Tandy initially, some via direct order. The Wikipedia entry
> said they sold exclusively through Radio Shack. They may have reached that
> point at some juncture, but not initially, as I bought a number of programs
> from them directly. I corrected the Wikipedia entry accordingly.
> >
> > I found the Wiki article for them:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_Associates
> >
> > I take it Don Connolly was the owner/founder of the company. It would be
> a
> > blast to contact him and see what he is up too.
> >
> > Drop me a line if you have any leads or info.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jim Cox
> > http://miba51.blogspot.com/
> > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/
> > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/
> >
>
>
> SNIP
>
>
>
> Art,
>
>
>
> I don't recall if Spectral Associates showed up for the Chicago Rainbowfest
> that I attended, but they were definitely at the single Ft. Worth
> Rainbowfest, as I spent considerable time hanging around their booth in
> hopes of seeing some of the games they were planning to initially release
> there. I seem to remember the guys manning their booth as being Todd and
> Brett Keeton.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 03:27:36 -0400
> > From: Arthur Flexser <flexser at fiu.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Spectral Associates
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Message-ID:
> > <dbdeb2610905310027o76ce45a9x1451e77a926d9b5a at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > I'm curious, too. To the best of my recollection, Spectral Associates
> > never participated in CoCo online forums, nor appeared at
> > Rainbowfests.
> >
> > Art
>
>
>
>
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From bookworm at cavenet.com  Mon Jun  1 16:26:20 2009
From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:26:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Is there a Pocket Computer forum?
Message-ID: <loom.20090601T202243-565@post.gmane.org>

Is there a forum for the TRS-80 Pocket Computer series?

I tried asking on the Gmane Model 100 group but when I clicked on "post" all I
got was a weird message saying the group was "unidirectional" and after that,
clicking on "post" didn't respond. How do I get into that group?



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 16:58:11 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy>
	<000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie>
	<592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>
	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com>
	<9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>
	<4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
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On 6/1/09, Robert Gault wrote:
> Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Robert Gault says the problem is with VCC, whatever that is.
>
> VCC is a Coco3 emulator. It has problems with disk images that are not
> full sizes - 35 or 40 tracks - when there is data in T0S1. In those
> cases, the size of the image is calculated from LSN0 as if the disk were
> an OS-9 disk. That is why the Urbane.dsk image does not work with VCC.
>
> What ever was used to create the disk image placed ubn_in.txt in gran 0
> and then did not populate unused sectors at the end of the image so it
> is less than a full 35 tracks.
>
> --

VCC appears to be interpreting the first several bytes of that disk
image as some sort of header.  If you use a hex editor program to
change the first 32 bytes of the file to $FF then VCC will open the
image and recognize it as a 35 track RSDOS disk.  This has the
unfortunate side effect of clobbering the first 32 bytes of the
UBN_IN.TXT file, but I believe that is only a sample program.

Darren


From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  1 17:04:28 2009
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:04:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Is there a Pocket Computer forum?
Message-ID: <471962.70499.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


There is a Yahoo group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PocketComp/


--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Bookworm <bookworm at cavenet.com> wrote:
> Is there a forum for the TRS-80
> Pocket Computer series?
> 



      


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jun  1 17:41:35 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:41:35 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <BC2E339BC10248DA97370665B47B42C6@Shasta>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com><9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>	<4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
	<BC2E339BC10248DA97370665B47B42C6@Shasta>
Message-ID: <4A244B0F.1040708@worldnet.att.net>

Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Jeff's CoCo2 Emulator, the first (of now how many emulators?) was used.
> 
> So a later emulator has imposed an requirement that the original first 
> emulator does not meet.
> 
> Does this mean that all ".dsk" files created by his emulators are now 
> non compliant?
> 
> Are all ".dsk" images copied from actual CoCo Floppies now non compliant?
> 
> SHF

No, it is just VCC that is a problem as Darren A and I have indicated. 
MESS is quite happy with your .dsk image as is the Keil emulator.


From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun  1 18:18:22 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:18:22 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Emulator Disk sizes - was  Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
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	<4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <625F45A0050A4508A7F2FCE632D03371@Dell3Gig>

I've tried other emulators and I like VCC the best.  That does not mean that
I consider it to be "finished".  I will say that I've been a bit of a file
hound in the last 18 months or so, and this is the FIRST disk I've ever
tried to use that was rejected.  I noticed right away that it was smaller
than the hundreds of other .DSK and .OS9 disk images I have in my
possession.
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:23 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane
> 
> Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Robert Gault says the problem is with VCC, whatever that is.
> 
> VCC is a Coco3 emulator. It has problems with disk images 
> that are not full sizes - 35 or 40 tracks - when there is 
> data in T0S1. In those cases, the size of the image is 
> calculated from LSN0 as if the disk were an OS-9 disk. That 
> is why the Urbane.dsk image does not work with VCC.
> 
> What ever was used to create the disk image placed ubn_in.txt 
> in gran 0 and then did not populate unused sectors at the end 
> of the image so it is less than a full 35 tracks.
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun  1 19:05:48 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:05:48 -0400
Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
In-Reply-To: <4A244B0F.1040708@worldnet.att.net>
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	<4A244B0F.1040708@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <D424620E2DBD4FBBA69656AC94172720@Dell3Gig>

 
I use, as stated in another thread, VCC (currently 1.40).  If I had to say
how good it is, I would say it does about 90% to 95% of the job with perfect
results.  There are some short comings which I would like to see addressed,
but even if they weren't, I would still use it.  Its that good.

Things I like:

A. V1.4 of VCC has a cassette emulator with a counter on it! My god, I
remember the days when I only used ECB and saved everything to cassette.
The counter was a great idea. 

B. The ease of setup and use.  Its intuitive and flexable. 

C. The options are diverse.  You can select sound card type, monitor type,
CPU type, over clock speed (up to 89 MHz) and memory up to 8-meg.

Things I would like to see added:

1) I would love to see it include hooks to integrate with Rainbow IDE.  I
dislike MESS a whole lot.  1st and formoemost because the people working on
MESS, IMO, don't really care about the CoCo. They emulate everything, so you
relly can't expect them to lavish a lot of love on just one of HUNDREDS of
emulations they cover.
 
2) I would love a way to grab a file off of the PC file system (for example
a text file or an AR archive) and drop it onto/into a coco .dsk image.
There are a lot of stand alone tools that sort of work, most of the time,
but I've noticed issues.  And mostly it's a pain to stop everything, find
the utility, refigure out how to use it, ect...  IMO, the emulator should be
one-stop shopping.

3) It needs serial port (rs-232 pak) and Bit-banger / printer support.  

On the printer side, I would be happy if it output'd to a PDF file that I
could then send to my laser printer.    Even if the output looked like an
old style DMP dot matrix printer or my old "Gorilla Bananna".  <--That was a
robust printer shipped in a big box with HOLES cut in it, and it said
Gorilla Bananna on the side with this huge picture of a Bananna on it<g>. 

For the bitbanger you could do the same thing. 

On the serial port (rs-232 pak) side, I'd like it to connect to the PCs com
port.  In the simplest case, you would then hook a modem to that com port,
and the emulated CoCo would be out surfin the BBs's again. 

4) I wish there was a way to emulate artifacting on a PCs LCD screen.  Now
we are talking physics and human visual perception, not software.  I'll name
my 1st born after the man that can figure that out<g>.  (Roger, you want to
be a Godfather?)

Nuf said.  If I had 10% of Rogers or Boisys skills I add those to VCC in a
heartbeat.  But even without all that, the developer of VCC has done an
outstanding job.  




From mechacoco at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 19:39:59 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:39:59 -0600
Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
In-Reply-To: <D424620E2DBD4FBBA69656AC94172720@Dell3Gig>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy>
	<000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie>
	<592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>
	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com>
	<9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>
	<4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
	<BC2E339BC10248DA97370665B47B42C6@Shasta>
	<4A244B0F.1040708@worldnet.att.net>
	<D424620E2DBD4FBBA69656AC94172720@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906011639h75700128hb2ec57ce7c817fbc@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/1/09, Paul Fitch wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> 4) I wish there was a way to emulate artifacting on a PCs LCD screen.  Now
> we are talking physics and human visual perception, not software.  I'll name
> my 1st born after the man that can figure that out<g>.  (Roger, you want to
> be a Godfather?)
>


There is a way to emulate artifacting.  MESS does a pretty darn good job of it.

I wrote a program which displays artifacted images using the same
method.  It isn't too dificult.  For each pixel that needs to be
drawn, you combine the bit values from the two pixels to the left, the
target pixel and the two pixels to the right. That value is then used
to obtain the target pixel's color from a look-up table.  I use two
color tables; one for odd columns and one for even columns.  Swapping
the color tables provides for circumstances where the image needs to
be displayed in the alternate SAM initialization state.

Darren


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jun  1 20:56:56 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Emulator Disk sizes - was  Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <625F45A0050A4508A7F2FCE632D03371@Dell3Gig>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com><9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>	<4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
	<625F45A0050A4508A7F2FCE632D03371@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <4A2478D8.3090705@worldnet.att.net>

Paul Fitch wrote:
> I've tried other emulators and I like VCC the best.  That does not mean that
> I consider it to be "finished".  I will say that I've been a bit of a file
> hound in the last 18 months or so, and this is the FIRST disk I've ever
> tried to use that was rejected.  I noticed right away that it was smaller
> than the hundreds of other .DSK and .OS9 disk images I have in my
> possession.
>  

The problem is not unique to VCC, although this particular aspect is. 
Even with disks of the full 35 track size, VCC will look at LSN0 and 
frequently fail if that sector has data.

There was/is a problem with the way NitrOS-9 disks are distributed. All 
these disks are labeled .dsk but don't completely adhere to the JVC 
format. They frequently were shorter than they should be and never had 
the extra optional header that indicates the number of sides and size. 
As a result, they only work with MESS when the extension is changed from 
.dsk to .os9 . Once done, MESS knows that it must read LSN0 to determine 
the size and structure of the disk image.

There are also problems with support programs that create disk images, 
as many do not create valid Disk Basic directories. The second 16 bytes 
of each directory entry should be all $00 if unused. If that is not 
true, Tandy's Disk EDTASM+ will fail as it uses those 16 bytes to 
determine file sizes.


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jun  1 21:01:49 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
In-Reply-To: <D424620E2DBD4FBBA69656AC94172720@Dell3Gig>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com><9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta>	<4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net><BC2E339BC10248DA97370665B47B42C6@Shasta>	<4A244B0F.1040708@worldnet.att.net>
	<D424620E2DBD4FBBA69656AC94172720@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <4A2479FD.7090901@worldnet.att.net>

Paul Fitch wrote:
>  
><snip>
> 4) I wish there was a way to emulate artifacting on a PCs LCD screen.  Now
> we are talking physics and human visual perception, not software.  I'll name
> my 1st born after the man that can figure that out<g>.  (Roger, you want to
> be a Godfather?)
> <snip>

I presume you want this in VCC. It already is present but not as good as 
the effect in MESS. With VCC, regardless of your monitor, select from 
the Menu/Configuration/Display   Composite monitor.


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  1 21:21:16 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
Message-ID: <270890.15066.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The one thing that I would add to the wish list is the ability to save and load state. Thats the only thing that keeps me using MESS when I need to.

I agree the author of VCC has done a GREAT job



** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **


 

--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net> wrote:

From: Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 4:05 PM

 
I use, as stated in another thread, VCC (currently 1.40).? If I had to say
how good it is, I would say it does about 90% to 95% of the job with perfect
results.? There are some short comings which I would like to see addressed,
but even if they weren't, I would still use it.? Its that good.

Things I like:

A. V1.4 of VCC has a cassette emulator with a counter on it! My god, I
remember the days when I only used ECB and saved everything to cassette.
The counter was a great idea. 

B. The ease of setup and use.? Its intuitive and flexable. 

C. The options are diverse.? You can select sound card type, monitor type,
CPU type, over clock speed (up to 89 MHz) and memory up to 8-meg.

Things I would like to see added:

1) I would love to see it include hooks to integrate with Rainbow IDE.? I
dislike MESS a whole lot.? 1st and formoemost because the people working on
MESS, IMO, don't really care about the CoCo. They emulate everything, so you
relly can't expect them to lavish a lot of love on just one of HUNDREDS of
emulations they cover.
 
2) I would love a way to grab a file off of the PC file system (for example
a text file or an AR archive) and drop it onto/into a coco .dsk image.
There are a lot of stand alone tools that sort of work, most of the time,
but I've noticed issues.? And mostly it's a pain to stop everything, find
the utility, refigure out how to use it, ect...? IMO, the emulator should be
one-stop shopping.

3) It needs serial port (rs-232 pak) and Bit-banger / printer support.? 

On the printer side, I would be happy if it output'd to a PDF file that I
could then send to my laser printer.? ? Even if the output looked like an
old style DMP dot matrix printer or my old "Gorilla Bananna".? <--That was a
robust printer shipped in a big box with HOLES cut in it, and it said
Gorilla Bananna on the side with this huge picture of a Bananna on it<g>. 

For the bitbanger you could do the same thing. 

On the serial port (rs-232 pak) side, I'd like it to connect to the PCs com
port.? In the simplest case, you would then hook a modem to that com port,
and the emulated CoCo would be out surfin the BBs's again. 

4) I wish there was a way to emulate artifacting on a PCs LCD screen.? Now
we are talking physics and human visual perception, not software.? I'll name
my 1st born after the man that can figure that out<g>.? (Roger, you want to
be a Godfather?)

Nuf said.? If I had 10% of Rogers or Boisys skills I add those to VCC in a
heartbeat.? But even without all that, the developer of VCC has done an
outstanding job.? 



--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



      


From shadow at shadowgard.com  Mon Jun  1 21:31:14 2009
From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:31:14 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Tano Dragon software
Message-ID: <4A241E72.18983.3C39425C@shadow.shadowgard.com>

While digging thru my storage for CoCo related magazines to try 
selling off, I found a box I'd forgotten. A nunch of software 
(cartridgs and csassetes, mostly in the boxes) for the Dragon 32.

I'll be listing them on ebay in the near future. (ebay ID: kengrx)

The magazines may show up there eventually. Bunch of Rainbows, Hot 
CoCo, and Color Computing.
--
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com




From bookworm at cavenet.com  Mon Jun  1 21:46:15 2009
From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 01:46:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Tano Dragon software
References: <4A241E72.18983.3C39425C@shadow.shadowgard.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090602T014531-898@post.gmane.org>

Will these work on the CoCo 3?



From bookworm at cavenet.com  Mon Jun  1 21:48:20 2009
From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 01:48:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Is there a Pocket Computer forum?
References: <471962.70499.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090602T014650-877@post.gmane.org>

Thank you! But there's no new posts since January! Am I the only PC-2 fan left?



From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Mon Jun  1 22:03:57 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:03:57 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sculptor for OS9 Level II (6809) / Level 1 (68000)
In-Reply-To: <889830d00905311125i3be9d451rea03c0f81768d272@mail.gmail.com>
References: <889830d00905302135q2c949d78h404b9016416a2c66@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A22962F.10603@embarqmail.com>
	<889830d00905311125i3be9d451rea03c0f81768d272@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090602020357.GA19253@virgo.sdc.org>

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:25:04AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote:
> If you are serious about working with this, then drop me a note.  Maybe GCCC
> might be interested in checking it out then auctioning it off at the next
> Fest.

Well, I don't know about actually working with it, but I have an
{abandonware,pirate} copy, and if no one else wants it, I wouldn't
mind turning that into a legal copy.

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Mon Jun  1 22:13:39 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:13:39 -0600
Subject: [Coco] dir entryRe:  Emulator Disk sizes - was  Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <4A2478D8.3090705@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
	<625F45A0050A4508A7F2FCE632D03371@Dell3Gig>
	<4A2478D8.3090705@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <20090602021339.GB19253@virgo.sdc.org>

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:56:56PM -0400, Robert Gault wrote:
> There are also problems with support programs that create disk images, 
> as many do not create valid Disk Basic directories. The second 16 bytes 
> of each directory entry should be all $00 if unused. If that is not 
> true, Tandy's Disk EDTASM+ will fail as it uses those 16 bytes to 
> determine file sizes.

There are also native DECB programs that do that.  I forget which one
it was, but I had a lot of trouble with one of the big word processor
/ text editor programs with that, when I was trying to use it with
EDTASM.  

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  1 22:17:00 2009
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:17:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Is there a Pocket Computer forum?
Message-ID: <121087.86026.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Bookworm <bookworm at cavenet.com> wrote:

> Thank you! But there's no new posts
> since January! Am I the only PC-2 fan left?

I still have mine but was never smart enough to find a use for it.

It did allow me to learn BASIC, and there were some attempts to
write an adventure game (!) on it.  But beyond playing "Hunt the Wumpus"...

Maybe if I was smarter and did some kind of research.  Never could think
of a use for the programmable calculator either. 



      


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Mon Jun  1 22:19:56 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:19:56 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <BC2E339BC10248DA97370665B47B42C6@Shasta>
References: <4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
	<BC2E339BC10248DA97370665B47B42C6@Shasta>
Message-ID: <20090602021956.GC19253@virgo.sdc.org>

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 12:41:30PM -0700, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> Does this mean that all ".dsk" files created by his emulators are now non 
> compliant?
> 
> Are all ".dsk" images copied from actual CoCo Floppies now non compliant?

Sounds more like this VCC emulator thing is non compliant.

It's easy enough to pad out a file with $00's to a larger size.  

Seems wasteful of real disk space to have to do so, however.

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From bookworm at cavenet.com  Mon Jun  1 22:59:29 2009
From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 02:59:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Is there a Pocket Computer forum?
References: <121087.86026.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090602T025523-635@post.gmane.org>

> I still have mine but was never smart enough to find a use for it.

Did you ever try the "Organizer" program from RS? It's the only one I can't find
on the archive site, and the one I'm most interested in.

> Maybe if I was smarter and did some kind of research.  Never could think
> of a use for the programmable calculator either. 

Are you referring to the TRS-80 PC-2, or did RS have a programmable calculator
too?



From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  1 23:25:12 2009
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:25:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Is there a Pocket Computer forum?
Message-ID: <834712.32675.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Bookworm <bookworm at cavenet.com> wrote:


> 
> Are you referring to the TRS-80 PC-2, or did RS have a
> programmable calculator
> too?
> 

I have an RS programmable calculator around here somewhere;
I think it may have been made by Sharp, but I never liked
it even as a calculator. So, I bought a newer TI-30.  It
just doesn't have the magic of the 1970's TI-30.  The new
calcs are too flat and don't have LED's.  Mine had a plastic
fake denim case that hung on my belt.  I still carried a 
sliderule in case the TI-30's battery died.



      


From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Tue Jun  2 00:03:34 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:03:34 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0906011358g58b7c374g55b29bdc55542e52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig><6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com><9F0788820A464807AA51F324307B058D@Shasta><4A23BA26.4030101@worldnet.att.net>
	<5d802cd0906011358g58b7c374g55b29bdc55542e52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAA382E12343498EA06F8F84B86AE60B@Shasta>

Hi,

"UBN_IN.TXT" is the source for the "Urbane" preprocessor and is the 
definition of the language.

So unless you want / need to modify the preprocessor it can just be 
considered a sample program.

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren A" <mechacoco at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch? Urbane


> On 6/1/09, Robert Gault wrote:
>> Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Robert Gault says the problem is with VCC, whatever that is.
>>
>> VCC is a Coco3 emulator. It has problems with disk images that are not
>> full sizes - 35 or 40 tracks - when there is data in T0S1. In those
>> cases, the size of the image is calculated from LSN0 as if the disk were
>> an OS-9 disk. That is why the Urbane.dsk image does not work with VCC.
>>
>> What ever was used to create the disk image placed ubn_in.txt in gran 0
>> and then did not populate unused sectors at the end of the image so it
>> is less than a full 35 tracks.
>>
>> --
>
> VCC appears to be interpreting the first several bytes of that disk
> image as some sort of header.  If you use a hex editor program to
> change the first 32 bytes of the file to $FF then VCC will open the
> image and recognize it as a 35 track RSDOS disk.  This has the
> unfortunate side effect of clobbering the first 32 bytes of the
> UBN_IN.TXT file, but I believe that is only a sample program.
>
> Darren
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From operator at coco3.com  Tue Jun  2 01:29:49 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:29:49 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>

Your fellow webmaster and CoCo friend almost bit the dust today.  Not 
like the high speed rollover I had a few years back or the time I 
slammed into the back of a highly flammable gas canister truck, but 
something different.

A family backyard picnic today turned into chaos today.  The kids 
woofed down their hot dogs and jumped back in the pool and started 
feuding again as usual.  I finally got to sit down with a huge steak 
and some sliced sausage.

On about my second big bite of steak I didn't chew it nearly long 
enough.  I bet you can figure the rest out.  When it got hung and 
wouldn't cough up, I decided to try to swallow it harder, then it 
*really* got stuck.  No air flow at all, guys.  I jumped up and tried 
to cough it out for 30 seconds with no luck.  A quick gulp of soda 
only made it worse.  My little kids started panicking and crying. I 
made it obvious I was choking.  My girl yelled that she didn't know 
what to do.  I knew I had to find another adult and quick.  Out of 
about 6 lazy and odd neighbors I chose the house where a (not fully 
citizen-status) Mexican family lives and ran up on their porch and 
yanked the door open.  The mother was sitting on the couch and I went 
through all the motions and whatnot that you'd expect a dying fella 
to do to get help.  She didn't understand.  I could barely get a gasp 
to say "I'm choking" but it didn't come out right.  She just looked 
at me. The kids were crying.  She followed me out on the porch.

I was getting weak and my face probably went through 10 shades of 
purple before I grabbed the woman's arms and put them around me and 
showed her what to do.  She didn't do anything.  She didn't know what 
I was talking about.  Still, no air.  I was in trouble, but at the 
second, I realized I was *really* in trouble if she didn't understand 
what was going on.  Finally she attempted the motions but she wasn't 
doing it hard enough.  So I *barely* got enough gasp to say, Harder!, 
but again, it didn't come out in Spanish, nor nearly loud enough to 
be vocal.  The kids were hysterical.  I told my little boy it was 
going to be ok, which took my last bit of breath-effort and was 
almost inaudible.  Finally the lady started to improve... but it 
wasn't working! I tried with all my might to puke the damn chunk of 
steak up but it wasn't budging.  I could feel my passageway under 
serious pressure.

Then at last, a miracle thrust to my gut from the woman resulted 
in.... (giggle now, because I'm alive) a huge chunk of steak about 1 
inch in diameter hurling through the air, across her porch... it 
rolled to a stop.  Actually, I saw it in slow motion so it took 
forever to come to a complete stop.   Slobber was all over the place 
and the kids were still crying, but a life was saved.  During her 
last thrusts I was also trying like hell to barf, so with all things 
combined, the obstacle was pursuaded to move.  I'm still in a little 
shock I guess.  In 41 years, nothing like that until now.  Get to 
know your neighbors, folks.  Learn some Spanish?  I refused the idea 
until now but tonight I'll *probably* Google up "I'm choking" and 
keep that on standby.

Lessons learned: chew your food well, know thy neighbors, stay in 
shape so you can run fast.

That is all.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From nutz4coco at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 01:56:25 2009
From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <889830d00906012256l700941b7pb1bfcd3c83b9d3c@mail.gmail.com>

That story beats the time I had to self-Heimlich myself at the mall while
choking on an Orange Julius hot dog.  The lady standing next to me just gave
me a condescending look like "Why the Hell are you doing disrupting my
lunch" and walked off, but then again that's Bellevue WA. for you.

Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/
http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/
http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/


On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:

> Your fellow webmaster and CoCo friend almost bit the dust today.  Not like
> the high speed rollover I had a few years back or the time I slammed into
> the back of a highly flammable gas canister truck, but something different.
>
> A family backyard picnic today turned into chaos today.  The kids woofed
> down their hot dogs and jumped back in the pool and started feuding again as
> usual.  I finally got to sit down with a huge steak and some sliced sausage.
>
> On about my second big bite of steak I didn't chew it nearly long enough.
>  I bet you can figure the rest out.  When it got hung and wouldn't cough up,
> I decided to try to swallow it harder, then it *really* got stuck.  No air
> flow at all, guys.  I jumped up and tried to cough it out for 30 seconds
> with no luck.  A quick gulp of soda only made it worse.  My little kids
> started panicking and crying. I made it obvious I was choking.  My girl
> yelled that she didn't know what to do.  I knew I had to find another adult
> and quick.  Out of about 6 lazy and odd neighbors I chose the house where a
> (not fully citizen-status) Mexican family lives and ran up on their porch
> and yanked the door open.  The mother was sitting on the couch and I went
> through all the motions and whatnot that you'd expect a dying fella to do to
> get help.  She didn't understand.  I could barely get a gasp to say "I'm
> choking" but it didn't come out right.  She just looked at me. The kids were
> crying.  She followed me out on the porch.
>
> I was getting weak and my face probably went through 10 shades of purple
> before I grabbed the woman's arms and put them around me and showed her what
> to do.  She didn't do anything.  She didn't know what I was talking about.
>  Still, no air.  I was in trouble, but at the second, I realized I was
> *really* in trouble if she didn't understand what was going on.  Finally she
> attempted the motions but she wasn't doing it hard enough.  So I *barely*
> got enough gasp to say, Harder!, but again, it didn't come out in Spanish,
> nor nearly loud enough to be vocal.  The kids were hysterical.  I told my
> little boy it was going to be ok, which took my last bit of breath-effort
> and was almost inaudible.  Finally the lady started to improve... but it
> wasn't working! I tried with all my might to puke the damn chunk of steak up
> but it wasn't budging.  I could feel my passageway under serious pressure.
>
> Then at last, a miracle thrust to my gut from the woman resulted in....
> (giggle now, because I'm alive) a huge chunk of steak about 1 inch in
> diameter hurling through the air, across her porch... it rolled to a stop.
>  Actually, I saw it in slow motion so it took forever to come to a complete
> stop.   Slobber was all over the place and the kids were still crying, but a
> life was saved.  During her last thrusts I was also trying like hell to
> barf, so with all things combined, the obstacle was pursuaded to move.  I'm
> still in a little shock I guess.  In 41 years, nothing like that until now.
>  Get to know your neighbors, folks.  Learn some Spanish?  I refused the idea
> until now but tonight I'll *probably* Google up "I'm choking" and keep that
> on standby.
>
> Lessons learned: chew your food well, know thy neighbors, stay in shape so
> you can run fast.
>
> That is all.
>
> --
> Roger Taylor
>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Tue Jun  2 07:50:51 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:50:51 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <4A25121B.7090901@worldnet.att.net>

Really scary! I'm very glad you are still with us.


From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Tue Jun  2 08:13:13 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:13:13 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
	<4A25121B.7090901@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <94401D4FDDB64FF0A9624CF2D0CE7B18@speedy>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gault" 


> Really scary! I'm very glad you are still with us.
> 
I'll second that.
My CPR card is current untill May 2011. ;)

Bruce W.


From keeper63 at cox.net  Tue Jun  2 11:03:25 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:03:25 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks (Roger Taylor)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1243951213.28406.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.15.1243951213.28406.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A253F3D.7000307@cox.net>

 > Your fellow webmaster and CoCo friend almost bit the dust today.  Not
 > like the high speed rollover I had a few years back or the time I
 > slammed into the back of a highly flammable gas canister truck, but
 > something different.

[snip]

Wow! I am glad you are OK Roger - I know we've all "choked" on a bit of 
food, but many of us will hopefully never know what you've been through; 
I can't imagine how frightening that had to be!

I haven't did CPR or anything since high school (many years back), but I 
still remember how to give a heimlich. Not only that, but I also 
remember how they taught us to give a self-heimlich (last ditch effort - 
you are supposed to use the back of a chair).

Hearing your story (and others on here), I tend to wonder if I am the 
only person who paid attention in health class (actually, I tend to 
wonder that about all of the subjects I took, given the seeming 
ineptitude I encounter on a daily basis, especially in my peer group).

Anyhow, glad you are still with us.

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From bookworm at cavenet.com  Tue Jun  2 11:06:31 2009
From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:06:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Is there a Pocket Computer forum?
References: <834712.32675.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090602T145711-996@post.gmane.org>

> I have an RS programmable calculator around here somewhere;
> I think it may have been made by Sharp, but I never liked
> it even as a calculator.

What model? What was wrong with it?

> So, I bought a newer TI-30.  It just doesn't have the magic of the 1970's
> TI-30.  The new calcs are too flat and don't have LED's.  Mine had a plastic
> fake denim case that hung on my belt.

I know what you mean. Why bother with an LCD if it's not going to do graphics?
That's what I like about the PC-2: it has graphics, a cartridge slot, up to 16k
RAM, Basic, etc. Kind of like a CoCo you can put in your pocket.

I have a TI-74 Basicalc, with a TI Hex Bus, cartridge slot, and Basic, (like a
TI-99/4a) but no graphics. LED's and a dark brown case would make it better.



From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  2 11:11:29 2009
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:11:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <4A254121.1010208@sbcglobal.net>

Hey dude,
    That was a close one. I would make real small pieces. That way they 
don't get stuck.

John Donaldson
Dallas, TX



Roger Taylor wrote:
> Your fellow webmaster and CoCo friend almost bit the dust today.  Not 
> like the high speed rollover I had a few years back or the time I 
> slammed into the back of a highly flammable gas canister truck, but 
> something different.
>
> A family backyard picnic today turned into chaos today.  The kids 
> woofed down their hot dogs and jumped back in the pool and started 
> feuding again as usual.  I finally got to sit down with a huge steak 
> and some sliced sausage.
>
> On about my second big bite of steak I didn't chew it nearly long 
> enough.  I bet you can figure the rest out.  When it got hung and 
> wouldn't cough up, I decided to try to swallow it harder, then it 
> *really* got stuck.  No air flow at all, guys.  I jumped up and tried 
> to cough it out for 30 seconds with no luck.  A quick gulp of soda 
> only made it worse.  My little kids started panicking and crying. I 
> made it obvious I was choking.  My girl yelled that she didn't know 
> what to do.  I knew I had to find another adult and quick.  Out of 
> about 6 lazy and odd neighbors I chose the house where a (not fully 
> citizen-status) Mexican family lives and ran up on their porch and 
> yanked the door open.  The mother was sitting on the couch and I went 
> through all the motions and whatnot that you'd expect a dying fella to 
> do to get help.  She didn't understand.  I could barely get a gasp to 
> say "I'm choking" but it didn't come out right.  She just looked at 
> me. The kids were crying.  She followed me out on the porch.
>
> I was getting weak and my face probably went through 10 shades of 
> purple before I grabbed the woman's arms and put them around me and 
> showed her what to do.  She didn't do anything.  She didn't know what 
> I was talking about.  Still, no air.  I was in trouble, but at the 
> second, I realized I was *really* in trouble if she didn't understand 
> what was going on.  Finally she attempted the motions but she wasn't 
> doing it hard enough.  So I *barely* got enough gasp to say, Harder!, 
> but again, it didn't come out in Spanish, nor nearly loud enough to be 
> vocal.  The kids were hysterical.  I told my little boy it was going 
> to be ok, which took my last bit of breath-effort and was almost 
> inaudible.  Finally the lady started to improve... but it wasn't 
> working! I tried with all my might to puke the damn chunk of steak up 
> but it wasn't budging.  I could feel my passageway under serious 
> pressure.
>
> Then at last, a miracle thrust to my gut from the woman resulted 
> in.... (giggle now, because I'm alive) a huge chunk of steak about 1 
> inch in diameter hurling through the air, across her porch... it 
> rolled to a stop.  Actually, I saw it in slow motion so it took 
> forever to come to a complete stop.   Slobber was all over the place 
> and the kids were still crying, but a life was saved.  During her last 
> thrusts I was also trying like hell to barf, so with all things 
> combined, the obstacle was pursuaded to move.  I'm still in a little 
> shock I guess.  In 41 years, nothing like that until now.  Get to know 
> your neighbors, folks.  Learn some Spanish?  I refused the idea until 
> now but tonight I'll *probably* Google up "I'm choking" and keep that 
> on standby.
>
> Lessons learned: chew your food well, know thy neighbors, stay in 
> shape so you can run fast.
>
> That is all.
>


-- 


From bookworm at cavenet.com  Tue Jun  2 11:16:33 2009
From: bookworm at cavenet.com (Bookworm)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks (Roger Taylor)
References: <mailman.15.1243951213.28406.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<4A253F3D.7000307@cox.net>
Message-ID: <loom.20090602T150839-600@post.gmane.org>

Glad to hear you're OK, Roger. Please don't do that again. The CoCo community is
small enough. Let's not start killing ourselves off! ;)

> Hearing your story (and others on here), I tend to wonder if I am the 
> only person who paid attention in health class (actually, I tend to 
> wonder that about all of the subjects I took, given the seeming 
> ineptitude I encounter on a daily basis, especially in my peer group).

I noticed that when I was still in high school.(Low school?) It's not that I'm
surrounded by idiots (actually I am but then I go and do something that makes me
look like one of them...) It's the lack of education. Nobody seems to know
anything.



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Jun  2 12:54:13 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:54:13 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <4A25121B.7090901@worldnet.att.net>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
	<4A25121B.7090901@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <200906021254.13181.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Robert Gault wrote:
>Really scary! I'm very glad you are still with us.
>
I'll second that!

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them.
<https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp>

A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God.



From cyberpunk at prtc.net  Tue Jun  2 13:33:46 2009
From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:33:46 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for Developers/Programmers
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
	<4A254121.1010208@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <72E2DE596BA04FDF897BA0D7E4008BF5@FANTASYWARE>

This idea is from CoCo3 Forums here 
http://coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=973

I think is an excellent ideam being a Visual Studio user myself I'd love to 
use such a pluggin from within Visual Basic for example...



From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Tue Jun  2 14:10:09 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:10:09 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>
	<6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta>

Hi,

Another CoCoer who is glad you are still with us.!!


I must decline to honor your request for personal reasons.

And,

after much thought I have come to the conclusion that it is best to not
address this problem.

It is far better that if someone uses VCC that they see this problem right
away when all that is on the "dsk" are files elsewhere in the zip or
recreated by a simple test run of the preprocessor.

I believe that this problem can occur anytime when files are imported,
created, deleted and so on.

Losing the users files would be far worse, with the existing triggering
"dsk" file they must either fix the problem themselves or ask for help.

In either case they would be forewarned.

As the target user base for Urbane are experienced advanced DECB persons,
this should not be a problem.

Persons who like me who have written several long DECB programs and have
become frustrated, angry, bitter towards anyone involved in the creation of
any line numbered required Basic.

Urbane was the result when I attempted to merge four similar short DECB
programs into one medium length one so the four displays could be on the
screen at the same time.

I gave up and several days later the FLEX Basic Preprocessor popped up in my
head as the solution.

http://www.flexusergroup.com/flexusergroup/pdfs/basprec.pdf

I did very little with my first 6809 system but I purchased FLEX, Basic and
the Basic Preprocessor. (SYM-1 Based)

The date on the PDF is 1979.

I understand why I did not create Urbane for DECB before but I do not
understand why someone else did not. In my mind publishing Urbane in Rainbow
and on Rainbow on Disk would have had a huge effect then.


Having a fully functional first version of Urbane really made the project
doable.

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?


> At 04:03 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote:
>>Stephen, I downloaded the zip file on COCO3.com, and I think the
>>Urbane.dsk
>>file is currupted? Its certianly smaller than my other .DSK files. It
>>shows
>>only 126k when all the others are 158K. VCC won't let me load it into the
>>"disk drive".
>
> I just checked and my local copy of the .dsk file is also 126k. Maybe the
> author will e-mail me another copy so I can replace it.
>
> -- 
> Roger Taylor




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 14:16:03 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:16:03 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Is there a Pocket Computer forum?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20090602T025523-635@post.gmane.org>
References: <121087.86026.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<loom.20090602T025523-635@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <93f331ac0906021116h1f3a8bd0o83cf3bdf77570ea8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure that one is around somewhere. We have most except a very few - I
got 'Golf' but only a photocopy of the manual and there are a few others
I've never seen.

Neil


On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Bookworm <bookworm at cavenet.com> wrote:

>
> Did you ever try the "Organizer" program from RS? It's the only one I can't
> find
> on the archive site, and the one I'm most interested in.
>


From farna at att.net  Tue Jun  2 18:16:13 2009
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:16:13 -0400
Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
Message-ID: <4A25A4AD.70102@att.net>

There should be a way to use the PC RS-232 port -- on those that still have them. Maybe support for a PCI card w/RS-232? Supporting a USB to RS-232 adapter might be tough. 

It would be difficult to output to a PDF file. It shouldn't be difficult, however, to output to a simple ASCII text file. I think CoCo printers (or files?) automatically send a "line feed" signal after every "carriage return", and a PC doesn't (or do I have that backwards?), but that would be easy to overcome. If output to a text file something simple like the DOS "Edit" command could be used to display and print it. 

The best thing about VCC is it runs under DOS in my opinion. Don't have to have all that Windows overhead! To simplify disk/file conversions and such why not write a simple batch file (remember those?) menu. Boot the computer into that, then have the first selection to run VCC, others for disk/file conversion and other CoCo related tasks. I tried setting up an older laptop I had with DOS and VCC to be a portable CoCo3, but that particular laptop (an old HP Omnibook 6000) had some peculiar display chips/drivers that VCC wouldn't work with. Had problems with the disk chip too. 

Now I have an old IBM Thinkpad 600E that's now "surplus" to my needs. Have it up for sale at $100 (complete outfit with case, internal CD burner/DVD player combo drive, external floppy, two batteries, and a few extras), but no takers. The only problem with it is the track-point pointer is bad, so you have to use a PS/2 mouse with it. To fix the track-point the whole keyboard must be replaced. Easy and cheap enough, but I prefer a mouse anyway. It would display an error that you had to manually go around, but I fixed that by editing a bit or two in the BIOS to ignore the track-point error. Boots right up. I don't really play with emulators of the CoCo much any more, anyone interested in the laptop drop me a line! It's old but robust, why I kept it so long! PII 366 with maxed out memory (over 500MB, forget exact amount). 

----------
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:05:48 -0400
From: "Paul Fitch" <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list

3) It needs serial port (rs-232 pak) and Bit-banger / printer support.  

On the printer side, I would be happy if it output'd to a PDF file that I
could then send to my laser printer.    Even if the output looked like an
old style DMP dot matrix printer or my old "Gorilla Bananna". 

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From Torsten at Dittel.info  Tue Jun  2 19:06:58 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:06:58 +0200
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <889830d00906012256l700941b7pb1bfcd3c83b9d3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
	<889830d00906012256l700941b7pb1bfcd3c83b9d3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h04bai$fl3$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jim Cox schrieb:

> That story beats the time I had to self-Heimlich myself at the mall

Didn't the American Heart Association warn against the use of the 
so-called "Heimlich Maneuver" as unproven and dangerous, due to its risk 
of vomiting leading to aspiration?!?

Remember, you recently almost lost a president by an FBAO (Foreign Body 
Airway Ostruction): a Pretzel from the "axis of flour" country Germany 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_pretzel_incident )).

Roger, thanks God, you survived. "Harder" is "mas fuerte" in Spanish, AFAIK.



From hyperfrog at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 19:07:18 2009
From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:07:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <4A25B0A6.8030407@gmail.com>

Roger Taylor wrote:
> Get to know your neighbors, folks.  Learn some Spanish?  I refused the 
> idea until now but tonight I'll *probably* Google up "I'm choking" and 
> keep that on standby.

Well, you could learn to say "thank you so much" (muchas gracias). She 
saved your life, man. Besides, the English language is far from being 
endangered on this earth.

Christian




From flexser at fiu.edu  Tue Jun  2 19:33:50 2009
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <h04bai$fl3$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
	<889830d00906012256l700941b7pb1bfcd3c83b9d3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<h04bai$fl3$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <dbdeb2610906021633h5e12dab4gbf3aa64f9d0e6edb@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/2/09, Torsten Dittel <Torsten at dittel.info> wrote:

>
>  Didn't the American Heart Association warn against the use of the so-called
> "Heimlich Maneuver" as unproven and dangerous, due to its risk of vomiting
> leading to aspiration?!?
>
According to the wikipedia entry on Heimlich, that warning only
applies to using the Heimlich in drowning rescue attempts.  For
conscious people who are choking, the American Red Cross now
recommends 5 back blows and, if that fails, 5 abdominal thrusts, the
latter being the now-preferred term for Heimlich maneuvers.

Art


From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun  2 19:44:53 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:44:53 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <50BDA44A34D54475B75DBC275DD0B695@Dell3Gig>

 Roger, I'm really glad you came out of this ordeal ok.  Needless to say,
you'll never look at a steak quite the same way again<g>. Glad you are still
with us.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Roger Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:30 AM
> To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
<snip>
> 
> On about my second big bite of steak I didn't chew it nearly 
> long enough.  I bet you can figure the rest out.  When it got 
> hung and wouldn't cough up, I decided to try to swallow it 
> harder, then it
> *really* got stuck.  No air flow at all, guys.  I jumped up 
> and tried to cough it out for 30 seconds with no luck.  A 
><snip>
> Then at last, a miracle thrust to my gut from the woman 
> resulted in.... (giggle now, because I'm alive) a huge chunk 
> of steak about 1 inch in diameter hurling through the air, 
> across her porch... it rolled to a stop.  Actually, I saw it 
> in slow motion so it took 
> forever to come to a complete stop.   Slobber was all over the place 
> and the kids were still crying, but a life was saved.  During 
> her last thrusts I was also trying like hell to barf, so with 
> all things combined, the obstacle was pursuaded to move.  I'm 
> still in a little shock I guess.  In 41 years, nothing like 
> that until now.  Get to know your neighbors, folks.  Learn 
> some Spanish?  I refused the idea until now but tonight I'll 
> *probably* Google up "I'm choking" and keep that on standby.
> 
> Lessons learned: chew your food well, know thy neighbors, 
> stay in shape so you can run fast.
> 
> That is all.
> 
> --
> Roger Taylor
> 
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun  2 19:52:35 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:52:35 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta>
References: <4816A6DD.4000009@adinet.com.uy><000f01c8aa8e$8d68c230$6501a8c0@bosie><592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig><6.2.5.6.0.20090531184204.05c04038@coco3.com>
	<D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta>
Message-ID: <B021FB3B20F34E30A9636A65D9F21A29@Dell3Gig>

I don't think you have anything to fix either, since its not broken.  Of
course, I always assumed that a .DSK or .OS9 image was an actual virtual
COPY of a real disk in all respects.  

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen H. Fischer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:10 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Another CoCoer who is glad you are still with us.!!
> 
> 
> I must decline to honor your request for personal reasons.
> 
> And,
> 
> after much thought I have come to the conclusion that it is 
> best to not address this problem.
> 
> It is far better that if someone uses VCC that they see this 
> problem right away when all that is on the "dsk" are files 
> elsewhere in the zip or recreated by a simple test run of the 
> preprocessor.
> 
> I believe that this problem can occur anytime when files are 
> imported, created, deleted and so on.
> 
> Losing the users files would be far worse, with the existing 
> triggering "dsk" file they must either fix the problem 
> themselves or ask for help.
> 
> In either case they would be forewarned.
> 
> As the target user base for Urbane are experienced advanced 
> DECB persons, this should not be a problem.
> 
> Persons who like me who have written several long DECB 
> programs and have become frustrated, angry, bitter towards 
> anyone involved in the creation of any line numbered required Basic.
> 
> Urbane was the result when I attempted to merge four similar 
> short DECB programs into one medium length one so the four 
> displays could be on the screen at the same time.
> 
> I gave up and several days later the FLEX Basic Preprocessor 
> popped up in my head as the solution.
> 
> http://www.flexusergroup.com/flexusergroup/pdfs/basprec.pdf
> 
> I did very little with my first 6809 system but I purchased 
> FLEX, Basic and the Basic Preprocessor. (SYM-1 Based)
> 
> The date on the PDF is 1979.
> 
> I understand why I did not create Urbane for DECB before but 
> I do not understand why someone else did not. In my mind 
> publishing Urbane in Rainbow and on Rainbow on Disk would 
> have had a huge effect then.
> 
> 
> Having a fully functional first version of Urbane really made 
> the project doable.
> 
> SHF
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?
> 
> 
> > At 04:03 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote:
> >>Stephen, I downloaded the zip file on COCO3.com, and I think the
> >>Urbane.dsk
> >>file is currupted? Its certianly smaller than my other .DSK 
> files. It
> >>shows
> >>only 126k when all the others are 158K. VCC won't let me 
> load it into the
> >>"disk drive".
> >
> > I just checked and my local copy of the .dsk file is also 
> 126k. Maybe the
> > author will e-mail me another copy so I can replace it.
> >
> > -- 
> > Roger Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun  2 20:07:35 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:07:35 -0400
Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
In-Reply-To: <4A25A4AD.70102@att.net>
References: <4A25A4AD.70102@att.net>
Message-ID: <6D3D2ABC5F694DEDB0A6EB29574D988A@Dell3Gig>

A look on the VCC home page shows the following:

Next Versions
Add framework for External Debugger/Machine Monitor.(Chris Lomont had kindly
offered to write the DLL for this).
An RS-232 Cart.
Move RAW floppy code to is own thread to reduce emulation slowdown during
disk access.
Sound input support.

The future is looking bright.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 6:16 PM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
> 
> There should be a way to use the PC RS-232 port -- on those 
> that still have them. Maybe support for a PCI card w/RS-232? 
> Supporting a USB to RS-232 adapter might be tough. 
> 
> It would be difficult to output to a PDF file. It shouldn't 
> be difficult, however, to output to a simple ASCII text file. 
> I think CoCo printers (or files?) automatically send a "line 
> feed" signal after every "carriage return", and a PC doesn't 
> (or do I have that backwards?), but that would be easy to 
> overcome. If output to a text file something simple like the 
> DOS "Edit" command could be used to display and print it. 
> 
> The best thing about VCC is it runs under DOS in my opinion. 
> Don't have to have all that Windows overhead! To simplify 
> disk/file conversions and such why not write a simple batch 
> file (remember those?) menu. Boot the computer into that, 
> then have the first selection to run VCC, others for 
> disk/file conversion and other CoCo related tasks. I tried 
> setting up an older laptop I had with DOS and VCC to be a 
> portable CoCo3, but that particular laptop (an old HP 
> Omnibook 6000) had some peculiar display chips/drivers that 
> VCC wouldn't work with. Had problems with the disk chip too. 
> 
> Now I have an old IBM Thinkpad 600E that's now "surplus" to 
> my needs. Have it up for sale at $100 (complete outfit with 
> case, internal CD burner/DVD player combo drive, external 
> floppy, two batteries, and a few extras), but no takers. The 
> only problem with it is the track-point pointer is bad, so 
> you have to use a PS/2 mouse with it. To fix the track-point 
> the whole keyboard must be replaced. Easy and cheap enough, 
> but I prefer a mouse anyway. It would display an error that 
> you had to manually go around, but I fixed that by editing a 
> bit or two in the BIOS to ignore the track-point error. Boots 
> right up. I don't really play with emulators of the CoCo much 
> any more, anyone interested in the laptop drop me a line! 
> It's old but robust, why I kept it so long! PII 366 with 
> maxed out memory (over 500MB, forget exact amount). 
> 
> ----------
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:05:48 -0400
> From: "Paul Fitch" <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [Coco] I love VCC + wish list
> 
> 3) It needs serial port (rs-232 pak) and Bit-banger / printer 
> support.  
> 
> On the printer side, I would be happy if it output'd to a PDF 
> file that I
> could then send to my laser printer.    Even if the output 
> looked like an
> old style DMP dot matrix printer or my old "Gorilla Bananna". 
> 
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
> (free download available!)
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From operator at coco3.com  Tue Jun  2 20:47:59 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:47:59 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <50BDA44A34D54475B75DBC275DD0B695@Dell3Gig>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
	<50BDA44A34D54475B75DBC275DD0B695@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090602192713.063bad88@coco3.com>

At 06:44 PM 6/2/2009, you wrote:
>  Roger, I'm really glad you came out of this ordeal ok.  Needless to say,
>you'll never look at a steak quite the same way again<g>. Glad you are still
>with us.


You're right.  From now on, I'll look at a steak.... the steak will 
look at me.

So many replies, so I'll reply to everybody as one big Thank You for 
the nice words!

When my daughter was about 2 she got a piece of apple stuck in her 
throat.  I tried for over a minute to get it dislodged.  I then ran 
outside of my apartment with her yelled for help.  Hardly a car in 
sight.  She was getting limp.  I ran back inside and kept trying 
until I got the idea to try pushing the apple down with my index 
finger.  The decision was a very hard one.  Luckily, it 
worked.  That's the very short version of another long and upsetting 
2 minutes during a failed Heimlich maneuver.



-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From zmerch-coco at 30below.com  Tue Jun  2 21:48:04 2009
From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090602213007.014b5688@mail.30below.com>

Rumor has it that Roger Taylor may have mentioned these words:
>[[snippage]]
>
>On about my second big bite of steak I didn't chew it nearly long enough...

[[snippage]]

Holymoly! Quite a story and glad to hear you're still with us!

>...Actually, I saw it in slow motion...

I sure know that feeling... Different situation, but created the same "time 
slowing" effect. I'd say more but I don't wanna "steal your thunder." ;-)

>Get to know your neighbors, folks.  Learn some Spanish?

I live in a border town, but in my case that would be French or to a lesser 
extent Italian. What sucks for me is I'm (somewhat) bilingual in German... 
unless I'm in rural Pennsylvania, it doesn't do me one heckuvalotta good 
here in the US... ;-)

Sounds like during your next cookout, you should forgo the steak knife and 
get one of these:

http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/01/02/lequip-rpm-blender-includes-working-tachometer/

Very powerful, very geeky, very awesome. Yes, I have one. ;-)

Just funnin' with ya! Glad to hear you're OK!

Laterz,
"Merch"

--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger   | Anarchy doesn't scale well. -- Me
zmerch at 30below.com.         |
SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers



From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 04:19:46 2009
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:19:46 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCo on the Tonight Show
Message-ID: <7DCF811E-71F7-4EA8-B360-A4082ECAAB4E@gmail.com>

Dunno if anyone tuned in to the Tonight Show on Tuesday night...

... but Conan O'Brien appears to have inherited the nickname "CoCo",  
spelled with that exact capitalization, during a Twitter comedy  
segment.  He and guest Tom Hanks geeked out on Star Trek (and boy,  
Hanks sure does know his Trek).  Hanks and the audience chant out  
"CoCo! CoCo! CoCo!" on a few occasions.

-- JP



From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Wed Jun  3 08:53:19 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:53:19 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CoCo on the Tonight Show
In-Reply-To: <7DCF811E-71F7-4EA8-B360-A4082ECAAB4E@gmail.com>
References: <7DCF811E-71F7-4EA8-B360-A4082ECAAB4E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6198AE254C3F4E6E8A8DB763B1C4D69E@Shasta>

Hi,

"Tuned in", what is that?

I very seldom watch any live TV any more.

I viewed the captured "Tonight Show on Tuesday night..." about 5 AM and saw 
the CoCo bits.

I wonder what would happen if someone quickly sent him a real CoCo 3.

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:19 AM
Subject: [Coco] CoCo on the Tonight Show


> Dunno if anyone tuned in to the Tonight Show on Tuesday night...
>
> ... but Conan O'Brien appears to have inherited the nickname "CoCo", 
> spelled with that exact capitalization, during a Twitter comedy  segment. 
> He and guest Tom Hanks geeked out on Star Trek (and boy,  Hanks sure does 
> know his Trek).  Hanks and the audience chant out  "CoCo! CoCo! CoCo!" on 
> a few occasions.
>
> -- JP



From linville at tuxdriver.com  Wed Jun  3 09:06:01 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:06:01 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <dbdeb2610906021633h5e12dab4gbf3aa64f9d0e6edb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
	<889830d00906012256l700941b7pb1bfcd3c83b9d3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<h04bai$fl3$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<dbdeb2610906021633h5e12dab4gbf3aa64f9d0e6edb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090603130601.GC25253@tuxdriver.com>

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:33:50PM -0400, Arthur Flexser wrote:
> On 6/2/09, Torsten Dittel <Torsten at dittel.info> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Didn't the American Heart Association warn against the use of the so-called
> > "Heimlich Maneuver" as unproven and dangerous, due to its risk of vomiting
> > leading to aspiration?!?
> >
> According to the wikipedia entry on Heimlich, that warning only
> applies to using the Heimlich in drowning rescue attempts.  For
> conscious people who are choking, the American Red Cross now
> recommends 5 back blows and, if that fails, 5 abdominal thrusts, the
> latter being the now-preferred term for Heimlich maneuvers.

And when I was in high school, we were told to _never_EVER_ strike
someone who is choking on the back...  Sometimes I think being a
medicine is like weather forecasting...

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jun  3 09:31:58 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:31:58 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <20090603130601.GC25253@tuxdriver.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>	<889830d00906012256l700941b7pb1bfcd3c83b9d3c@mail.gmail.com>	<h04bai$fl3$1@ger.gmane.org>	<dbdeb2610906021633h5e12dab4gbf3aa64f9d0e6edb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603130601.GC25253@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <4A267B4E.1090005@worldnet.att.net>

John W. Linville wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:33:50PM -0400, Arthur Flexser wrote:
>> On 6/2/09, Torsten Dittel <Torsten at dittel.info> wrote:
>>
>>>  Didn't the American Heart Association warn against the use of the so-called
>>> "Heimlich Maneuver" as unproven and dangerous, due to its risk of vomiting
>>> leading to aspiration?!?
>>>
>> According to the wikipedia entry on Heimlich, that warning only
>> applies to using the Heimlich in drowning rescue attempts.  For
>> conscious people who are choking, the American Red Cross now
>> recommends 5 back blows and, if that fails, 5 abdominal thrusts, the
>> latter being the now-preferred term for Heimlich maneuvers.
> 
> And when I was in high school, we were told to _never_EVER_ strike
> someone who is choking on the back...  Sometimes I think being a
> medicine is like weather forecasting...
> 
> John

That is simple to explain. If a person is sitting or standing and you 
slap them on the back, whatever might be lodged in the trachea could 
just drop down further under the influence of gravity and get stuck even 
worse.
Conversely if you could get them standing on their head, then a slap on 
the back could dislodge the blockage into the mouth.

What needs to be done is compress the lungs so that increased internal 
air pressure blows out the blockage. That can be accomplished by any 
method that compresses the lung cavity. The compression will be more 
effective when it is rapid rather than slow.


From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net  Wed Jun  3 10:51:17 2009
From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:51:17 -0700
Subject: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re:  VCC + wish list
In-Reply-To: <4A25A4AD.70102@att.net>
References: <4A25A4AD.70102@att.net>
Message-ID: <4A268DE5.9090505@bjork-huffman.net>

Frank,

VCC IS a windows program and uses DirectX 8.0 or later.  That's in the 
first line of text about the VCC on the home page.  I don't know how you 
missed it.
It will work with your laptop if you load the right drivers, called 
windows. Some have gotten VCC working under WINE for Linux.  But I never 
tried since I use windows already.

Steve (6809er) Bjork

Frank Swygert wrote:
> The best thing about VCC is it runs under DOS in my opinion. Don't 
> have to have all that Windows overhead! To simplify disk/file 
> conversions and such why not write a simple batch file (remember 
> those?) menu. Boot the computer into that, then have the first 
> selection to run VCC, others for disk/file conversion and other CoCo 
> related tasks. I tried setting up an older laptop I had with DOS and 
> VCC to be a portable CoCo3, but that particular laptop (an old HP 
> Omnibook 6000) had some peculiar display chips/drivers that VCC 
> wouldn't work with. Had problems with the disk chip too. 



From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Wed Jun  3 17:03:30 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:03:30 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <B021FB3B20F34E30A9636A65D9F21A29@Dell3Gig>
References: <D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta>
	<B021FB3B20F34E30A9636A65D9F21A29@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <20090603210330.GA22859@virgo.sdc.org>

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:52:35PM -0400, Paul Fitch wrote:
> I don't think you have anything to fix either, since its not broken.  Of
> course, I always assumed that a .DSK or .OS9 image was an actual virtual
> COPY of a real disk in all respects.  

Some of the tools that take will take files and build a .dsk with them
only make the file as large as it has to be to store the files and the
directory.  

So a DECB .dsk will have at least the first 17 tracks, but an OS-9
.dsk might only be N*256 bytes long, possibly not even to an even
number of tracks.

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From badfrog at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 17:21:38 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:21:38 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
Message-ID: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>

I just made it up, since it's 6/3/09.


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 18:35:28 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:35:28 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <20090603210330.GA22859@virgo.sdc.org>
References: <D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta>
	<B021FB3B20F34E30A9636A65D9F21A29@Dell3Gig>
	<20090603210330.GA22859@virgo.sdc.org>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906031535g60bcd162j2952b8a3812e483a@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/3/09, Willard Goosey wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:52:35PM -0400, Paul Fitch wrote:
>> I don't think you have anything to fix either, since its not broken.  Of
>> course, I always assumed that a .DSK or .OS9 image was an actual virtual
>> COPY of a real disk in all respects.
>
> Some of the tools that take will take files and build a .dsk with them
> only make the file as large as it has to be to store the files and the
> directory.
>
> So a DECB .dsk will have at least the first 17 tracks, but an OS-9
> .dsk might only be N*256 bytes long, possibly not even to an even
> number of tracks.
>


The problem is definitely with VCC.  If you pad out the Urbane.dsk
file to exactly 161,280 bytes (630 sectors) VCC will still not be able
to access it properly.  I think it is seeing the data in track 0
sector 1 and deciding that it must be an OS-9 disk (even though it
isn't). It then uses that information to setup an incorrect disk
geometry.

Darren


From tonym at compusource.net  Wed Jun  3 18:59:26 2009
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:59:26 GMT
Subject: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re: VCC + wish list
Message-ID: <200906031859336.SM02908@[208.76.35.239]>

It actually works great under Wine! 
I use Ubuntu 9.04 and Ultimate Edition 2.0, and it works fine under Wine 1.0.1 and 1.1.4


Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bjork 6809er at bjork-huffman.net
Sent 6/3/2009 10:51:17 AM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re: VCC + wish list

Frank,

VCC IS a windows program and uses DirectX 8.0 or later. That's in the 
first line of text about the VCC on the home page. I don't know how you 
missed it.
It will work with your laptop if you load the right drivers, called 
windows. Some have gotten VCC working under WINE for Linux. But I never 
tried since I use windows already.

Steve (6809er) Bjork

Frank Swygert wrote:
 The best thing about VCC is it runs under DOS in my opinion. Don't 
 have to have all that Windows overhead! To simplify disk/file 
 conversions and such why not write a simple batch file (remember 
 those?) menu. Boot the computer into that, then have the first 
 selection to run VCC, others for disk/file conversion and other CoCo 
 related tasks. I tried setting up an older laptop I had with DOS and 
 VCC to be a portable CoCo3, but that particular laptop (an old HP 
 Omnibook 6000) had some peculiar display chips/drivers that VCC 
 wouldn't work with. Had problems with the disk chip too. 


--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


       


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Wed Jun  3 19:48:16 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:48:16 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0906031535g60bcd162j2952b8a3812e483a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta>
	<B021FB3B20F34E30A9636A65D9F21A29@Dell3Gig>
	<20090603210330.GA22859@virgo.sdc.org>
	<5d802cd0906031535g60bcd162j2952b8a3812e483a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090603234815.GA31728@virgo.sdc.org>

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:35:28PM -0600, Darren A wrote:
>I think it is seeing the data in track 0
> sector 1 and deciding that it must be an OS-9 disk (even though it
> isn't). It then uses that information to setup an incorrect disk
> geometry.

Can't handle virtual disks with data in the first sector of the disk?  

That's bad.  I mean, I've seen lots of broken software, but DAMN!

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 20:04:02 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:04:02 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
References: <D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta><B021FB3B20F34E30A9636A65D9F21A29@Dell3Gig><20090603210330.GA22859@virgo.sdc.org><5d802cd0906031535g60bcd162j2952b8a3812e483a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603234815.GA31728@virgo.sdc.org>
Message-ID: <D613D6721C32430DA56224BBC25AB18A@master>

Maybe someone (we as a group?) can come up with a sure-fire way to 
differentiate between an RSDOS disk and an OS-9 disk?

Lets start by listing the obvious similarities and differences.

I'll head off by suggesting that Track 17 sector 1 of an RSDOS disk is all 
$FF, since it should not be used. (of course, someone could shoot me down in 
flames here.... )

Also, the directory entries on sectors 3 and following of track 17 do fit a 
certain pattern, especially those bytes which denote the file type, and 
ascii flag.

Anyone else care to add to this?

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Willard Goosey" <goosey at virgo.sdc.org>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?


> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:35:28PM -0600, Darren A wrote:
>>I think it is seeing the data in track 0
>> sector 1 and deciding that it must be an OS-9 disk (even though it
>> isn't). It then uses that information to setup an incorrect disk
>> geometry.
>
> Can't handle virtual disks with data in the first sector of the disk?
>
> That's bad.  I mean, I've seen lots of broken software, but DAMN!
>
> Willard
> -- 
> Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
> Socorro, New Mexico, USA
> I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
>  -- R.E. Howard
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jun  3 21:12:42 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:12:42 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
Message-ID: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>

Anyone who has looked at the middle chart on page 18 of the Coco3 
service manual will have noticed that there are missing entries. I and 
other Coco enthusiasts have expanded this table to fill in the missing 
entries.

It seems to me that there are two alternating series of screen widths in 
bytes. Expanding on what is given by Tandy, the chart logically would be:

HRES2 HRES1 HRES0  Width in bytes
  1     1     1         160
  1     1     0         128
  1     0     1          80
  1     0     0          64
  0     1     1          40
  0     1     0          32
  0     0     1          20
  0     0     0          16

I've tested the new entries and not all work for all color resolutions. 
For example 160 bytes of 2 colors requires a screen 1280 pixels wide 
which could be beyond the capabilities of the Coco3.

Here is a program in Basic that demonstrates something weird with the 
"new" 20byte width screen. I'd love to hear comments about what might be 
happening with the hardware that could cause what I, and hopefully you, see.

10 HSCREEN2: POKE&HFF99,5 : You can also use ,4 and ,6
20 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7
30 FOR M=0TO15:LPOKE &H60000+M,128: NEXT T,M
40 FOR M=0TO 3:LPOKE &H60010+M, 64: NEXT T,M
50 GOTO50

The critical command is setting the new screen width by sending a value 
to $FF99. Single pixels are turned on with one color in line 30 and a 
second color in line 40. Changing colors make the weird effect easier to 
see but it is not necessary.


From wrcousert at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  3 22:54:46 2009
From: wrcousert at yahoo.com (Bill Cousert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't forget January 1, 6809! That's the big one!




________________________________
From: Sean <badfrog at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 2:21:38 PM
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!

I just made it up, since it's 6/3/09.

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From badfrog at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 23:39:40 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>

Well, 6/8/09 is next Monday...  Hope I didn't ruin anyone's joke...


On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Bill Cousert<wrcousert at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't forget January 1, 6809! That's the big one!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sean <badfrog at gmail.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 2:21:38 PM
> Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
>
> I just made it up, since it's 6/3/09.
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net  Thu Jun  4 00:51:03 2009
From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:51:03 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2752B7.1090100@bjork-huffman.net>

Well, it's not joke for me since my handle (for almost 30 years) has 
been 6-8-09er.

Oh, how I remember the old compuserve days at 300 baud!  (30 bytes per 
second and compare that to my 2.4 megabytes per second today on FIOS.)

Steve (6809er) Bjork

Sean wrote:
> Well, 6/8/09 is next Monday...  Hope I didn't ruin anyone's joke...
>   



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jun  4 01:09:42 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:09:42 -0400
Subject: [Coco] 300 baud days
Message-ID: <007001c9e4d2$ac9faae0$05df00a0$@rr.com>

Speaking of 300 baud, I remember running a BBS with a 300 baud auto-answer
modem. 

Now I'd like to find out whether anyone happens to have any of the popular
BBS software we used to run. I'm looking for the Colorama BBS software or
the OS9 BBS software that was available then (but I cannot remember the name
of it.)

Thanks

______________________________________
*Square One Christian BBS
Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com




From badfrog at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 01:12:26 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:12:26 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <4A2752B7.1090100@bjork-huffman.net>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2752B7.1090100@bjork-huffman.net>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0906032212s184f38d7l11c4f0f124eeb58e@mail.gmail.com>

I think a few months ago I already did a "Holy crap Steve Bjork
replied to my mesasge!" post.

Still not used to seeing that name here. :)

Zaxxon was my favorite.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Steve Bjork<6809er at bjork-huffman.net> wrote:
> Well, it's not joke for me since my handle (for almost 30 years) has been
> 6-8-09er.
>
> Oh, how I remember the old compuserve days at 300 baud! ?(30 bytes per
> second and compare that to my 2.4 megabytes per second today on FIOS.)
>
> Steve (6809er) Bjork
>
> Sean wrote:
>>
>> Well, 6/8/09 is next Monday... ?Hope I didn't ruin anyone's joke...
>>
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From badfrog at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 01:16:04 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:16:04 -0500
Subject: [Coco] 300 baud days
In-Reply-To: <007001c9e4d2$ac9faae0$05df00a0$@rr.com>
References: <007001c9e4d2$ac9faae0$05df00a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0906032216h536ce6dbt5ad494f7babf4e39@mail.gmail.com>

I think our local OS9 BBS ran something called RiBBS, but I can't say for sure.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Bill<cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> Speaking of 300 baud, I remember running a BBS with a 300 baud auto-answer
> modem.
>
> Now I'd like to find out whether anyone happens to have any of the popular
> BBS software we used to run. I'm looking for the Colorama BBS software or
> the OS9 BBS software that was available then (but I cannot remember the name
> of it.)
>
> Thanks
>
> ______________________________________
> *Square One Christian BBS
> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun  4 01:17:49 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:17:49 -0400
Subject: [Coco] 300 baud days
In-Reply-To: <007001c9e4d2$ac9faae0$05df00a0$@rr.com>
References: <007001c9e4d2$ac9faae0$05df00a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <EAD16C9A05A641039C8F7C8A674813A2@Dell3Gig>

What I remember from my 300 baud days were the horrific telephone bills.  I
could only actually afford to be online one month out of four<g>. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:10 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: [Coco] 300 baud days
> 
> Speaking of 300 baud, I remember running a BBS with a 300 
> baud auto-answer modem. 
> 
> Now I'd like to find out whether anyone happens to have any 
> of the popular BBS software we used to run. I'm looking for 
> the Colorama BBS software or the OS9 BBS software that was 
> available then (but I cannot remember the name of it.)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> ______________________________________
> *Square One Christian BBS
> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: 
> telnet://sq1bbs.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From petrander at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 01:44:53 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 07:44:53 +0200
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dcc956220906032244r6b9be25bt8386570fb92dd990@mail.gmail.com>

On continental Europe we get to celebrate again on the sixth of august this
year! I.e. 6-8-09 !!!

:-D

Oh, and third too, of course!

Fedor

2009/6/4 Bill Cousert <wrcousert at yahoo.com>

> Don't forget January 1, 6809! That's the big one!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sean <badfrog at gmail.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 2:21:38 PM
> Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
>
> I just made it up, since it's 6/3/09.
>
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From wrcousert at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 03:14:22 2009
From: wrcousert at yahoo.com (Bill Cousert)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <4A2752B7.1090100@bjork-huffman.net>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2752B7.1090100@bjork-huffman.net>
Message-ID: <256643.36411.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

FiOS is awesome! Verizon recently upped my speed to 20/5 for free. Now if I could only get a decent price on wireless Internet. Verizon charges $.25 per megabyte....




________________________________
From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:51:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!

Well, it's not joke for me since my handle (for almost 30 years) has been 6-8-09er.

Oh, how I remember the old compuserve days at 300 baud!? (30 bytes per second and compare that to my 2.4 megabytes per second today on FIOS.)

Steve (6809er) Bjork

Sean wrote:
> Well, 6/8/09 is next Monday...? Hope I didn't ruin anyone's joke...
>? 


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From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 03:24:54 2009
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:24:54 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <256643.36411.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2752B7.1090100@bjork-huffman.net>
	<256643.36411.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0655195B-C687-4C7E-BED2-C35F2C0253E9@gmail.com>

On Jun 4, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Bill Cousert wrote:
> FiOS is awesome! Verizon recently upped my speed to 20/5 for free.  
> Now if I could only get a decent price on wireless Internet. Verizon  
> charges $.25 per megabyte....

People on dial-up must be crying in their beers right now.  My  
wireless provider is currently charging me $15 per megabyte for data.   
Not surprisingly, I only use it when I desperately need to check or  
send an e-mail on the road.

-- JP



From petrander at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 03:32:56 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:32:56 +0200
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <256643.36411.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2752B7.1090100@bjork-huffman.net>
	<256643.36411.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dcc956220906040032m42c296cfib8391afa5cdf1269@mail.gmail.com>

Verizon math fail: http://failblog.org/2009/02/04/verizon-math-fail/

Cheers,
Fedor

2009/6/4 Bill Cousert <wrcousert at yahoo.com>

> FiOS is awesome! Verizon recently upped my speed to 20/5 for free. Now if I
> could only get a decent price on wireless Internet. Verizon charges $.25 per
> megabyte....
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:51:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
>
> Well, it's not joke for me since my handle (for almost 30 years) has been
> 6-8-09er.
>
> Oh, how I remember the old compuserve days at 300 baud!  (30 bytes per
> second and compare that to my 2.4 megabytes per second today on FIOS.)
>
> Steve (6809er) Bjork
>
> Sean wrote:
> > Well, 6/8/09 is next Monday...  Hope I didn't ruin anyone's joke...
> >
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From nutz4coco at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 04:04:17 2009
From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:04:17 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
Message-ID: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com>

I decided to scan the one copy of the Tandy Service Manual for the Color
Computer 3 that I was giving away, and I now have a nice looking .pdf file
of about 56M.

The scan rate was 300 dpi, and I am thinking of scanning again at 600 dpi.
I haven't done much with this scanner, so I am wondering if those scanning
gurus out there may have an opinion in the matter.

I did notice that some of the pictures in the manual that were taken of
traces on an oscilliscope didn't have as much detail.  I may run some test
scans to see if there is a difference.

Is there a place I can upload this file, so that others can get a copy of
the manual?

Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/
http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/
http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/


From wrcousert at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 04:15:42 2009
From: wrcousert at yahoo.com (Bill Cousert)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
In-Reply-To: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <639605.97276.qm@web38402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.rapidshare.com/

They have free and paid services.




________________________________
Is there a place I can upload this file, so that others can get a copy of
the manual?


From mdelyea at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 04:35:33 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com>

There's an extra T in lines 30 and 40:  Should they be there or is
there a for/next missing?

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Robert Gault
<robert.gault at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Anyone who has looked at the middle chart on page 18 of the Coco3 service
> manual will have noticed that there are missing entries. I and other Coco
> enthusiasts have expanded this table to fill in the missing entries.
>
> It seems to me that there are two alternating series of screen widths in
> bytes. Expanding on what is given by Tandy, the chart logically would be:
>
> HRES2 HRES1 HRES0 ?Width in bytes
> ?1 ? ? 1 ? ? 1 ? ? ? ? 160
> ?1 ? ? 1 ? ? 0 ? ? ? ? 128
> ?1 ? ? 0 ? ? 1 ? ? ? ? ?80
> ?1 ? ? 0 ? ? 0 ? ? ? ? ?64
> ?0 ? ? 1 ? ? 1 ? ? ? ? ?40
> ?0 ? ? 1 ? ? 0 ? ? ? ? ?32
> ?0 ? ? 0 ? ? 1 ? ? ? ? ?20
> ?0 ? ? 0 ? ? 0 ? ? ? ? ?16
>
> I've tested the new entries and not all work for all color resolutions. For
> example 160 bytes of 2 colors requires a screen 1280 pixels wide which could
> be beyond the capabilities of the Coco3.
>
> Here is a program in Basic that demonstrates something weird with the "new"
> 20byte width screen. I'd love to hear comments about what might be happening
> with the hardware that could cause what I, and hopefully you, see.
>
> 10 HSCREEN2: POKE&HFF99,5 : You can also use ,4 and ,6
> 20 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7
> 30 FOR M=0TO15:LPOKE &H60000+M,128: NEXT T,M
> 40 FOR M=0TO 3:LPOKE &H60010+M, 64: NEXT T,M
> 50 GOTO50
>
> The critical command is setting the new screen width by sending a value to
> $FF99. Single pixels are turned on with one color in line 30 and a second
> color in line 40. Changing colors make the weird effect easier to see but it
> is not necessary.
>
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Jun  4 05:50:38 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:50:38 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9efa17da0906032039h482259e4pad1f68ec9737d9d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906040550.38890.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 03 June 2009, Sean wrote:
>Well, 6/8/09 is next Monday...  Hope I didn't ruin anyone's joke...

And we missed 6/3/09 for the hitachi cpu some of us use.

>On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Bill Cousert<wrcousert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Don't forget January 1, 6809! That's the big one!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Sean <badfrog at gmail.com>
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 2:21:38 PM
>> Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
>>
>> I just made it up, since it's 6/3/09.
>>
>> --
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>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
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>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
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>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


-- 
Cheers, Gene
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them.
<https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp>

Have at you!



From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Thu Jun  4 06:28:13 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:28:13 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A27A1BD.6070105@iinet.net.au>

Sean wrote:

> I just made it up, since it's 6/3/09.

Actually, in _sane_ parts of the world, it's 3/6/09... ;P

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From paulh96636 at aol.com  Thu Jun  4 07:04:32 2009
From: paulh96636 at aol.com (paulh96636 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:04:32 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <4A27A1BD.6070105@iinet.net.au>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A27A1BD.6070105@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <8CBB31B5FBBAFAF-688-246D@webmail-mh12.sysops.aol.com>

Driving upside down and the wrong side of the road is? *sane*?? ????? hehe
??? -p


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McDougall <msmcdoug at iinet.net.au>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 6:28 am
Subject: Re: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!


Sean wrote:?
?
> I just made it up, since it's 6/3/09.?
?
Actually, in _sane_ parts of the world, it's 3/6/09... ;P?
?
Regards,?
?
-- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it?
| <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug> | with less resistance!"?
?
--?
Coco mailing list?
Coco at maltedmedia.com?
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco?



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jun  4 07:17:32 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:17:32 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>
	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>

mike delyea wrote:
> There's an extra T in lines 30 and 40:  Should they be there or is
> there a for/next missing?
> 

Thanks, I did not proof read that very well. The lines should end with

FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M


Actually that isn't necessary but makes it easier to see when changes 
are made to the screen.


> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Robert Gault
> <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Anyone who has looked at the middle chart on page 18 of the Coco3 service
>> manual will have noticed that there are missing entries. I and other Coco
>> enthusiasts have expanded this table to fill in the missing entries.
>>
>> It seems to me that there are two alternating series of screen widths in
>> bytes. Expanding on what is given by Tandy, the chart logically would be:
>>
>> HRES2 HRES1 HRES0  Width in bytes
>>  1     1     1         160
>>  1     1     0         128
>>  1     0     1          80
>>  1     0     0          64
>>  0     1     1          40
>>  0     1     0          32
>>  0     0     1          20
>>  0     0     0          16
>>
>> I've tested the new entries and not all work for all color resolutions. For
>> example 160 bytes of 2 colors requires a screen 1280 pixels wide which could
>> be beyond the capabilities of the Coco3.
>>
>> Here is a program in Basic that demonstrates something weird with the "new"
>> 20byte width screen. I'd love to hear comments about what might be happening
>> with the hardware that could cause what I, and hopefully you, see.
>>
>> 10 HSCREEN2: POKE&HFF99,5 : You can also use ,4 and ,6
>> 20 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7
>> 30 FOR M=0TO15:LPOKE &H60000+M,128: NEXT T,M
>> 40 FOR M=0TO 3:LPOKE &H60010+M, 64: NEXT T,M
>> 50 GOTO50
>>
>> The critical command is setting the new screen width by sending a value to
>> $FF99. Single pixels are turned on with one color in line 30 and a second
>> color in line 40. Changing colors make the weird effect easier to see but it
>> is not necessary.
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jun  4 09:02:57 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:02:57 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
In-Reply-To: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008101c9e514$c8543c00$58fcb400$@rr.com>

You are also welcome to upload it to my server or maltedmedia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cox
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:04 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
> 
> I decided to scan the one copy of the Tandy Service Manual for the
> Color
> Computer 3 that I was giving away, and I now have a nice looking .pdf
> file
> of about 56M.
> 



From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Thu Jun  4 11:08:15 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:08:15 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0906031535g60bcd162j2952b8a3812e483a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta><B021FB3B20F34E30A9636A65D9F21A29@Dell3Gig><20090603210330.GA22859@virgo.sdc.org>
	<5d802cd0906031535g60bcd162j2952b8a3812e483a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F65500D2F1E42A98703ACEA6DAE6418@Shasta>

Hi,

>  I think it is seeing the data in track 0
> sector 1 and deciding that it must be an OS-9 disk

I think this is what is happening.

I sure wish I had some way on this Vista computer to look at the first
sector in HEX and ASCII at the same time.

And I could find my OS-9 manual quickly.

Here are the first few lines, lines are folded:

#               LIST_ON                                 : REM CHANGE TO
COMMENT LINE IF NOT WANTED
#               XREF_ON                                 : REM CHANGE TO
COMMENT LINE IF NOT WANTED
#               CONSTANT UBN~VERSION$      = "1.060202 RC0"
#               CONSTANT UBN_TITLE$        = "Urbane XUBN~VERSION$  - Tandy
Color Computer 3 Disk Extended Color Basic Preprocessor."
'               Original Left Hello A. Nani Mouse Inx.

#               CONSTANT IN_FILE$          = "UBN_IN.TXT"

Comparing the display in Wordpad I immediately realized that a tab character
might be in the first line as the column with ":REM" does not match the
second line. In Wordpad, they do.

There is a line of code for tabs":


                IF IN_LINE_CH   = ASC_TAB GOTO SUBSTUTE_SPACE_FOR_TAB

So Urbane is not bothered by the tab.

SHF




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren A" <mechacoco at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?


> On 6/3/09, Willard Goosey wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:52:35PM -0400, Paul Fitch wrote:
>>> I don't think you have anything to fix either, since its not broken.  Of
>>> course, I always assumed that a .DSK or .OS9 image was an actual virtual
>>> COPY of a real disk in all respects.
>>
>> Some of the tools that take will take files and build a .dsk with them
>> only make the file as large as it has to be to store the files and the
>> directory.
>>
>> So a DECB .dsk will have at least the first 17 tracks, but an OS-9
>> .dsk might only be N*256 bytes long, possibly not even to an even
>> number of tracks.
>>
>
>
> The problem is definitely with VCC.  If you pad out the Urbane.dsk
> file to exactly 161,280 bytes (630 sectors) VCC will still not be able
> to access it properly.  I think it is seeing the data in track 0
> sector 1 and deciding that it must be an OS-9 disk (even though it
> isn't). It then uses that information to setup an incorrect disk
> geometry.
>
> Darren



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 11:11:11 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:11:11 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
In-Reply-To: <639605.97276.qm@web38402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<639605.97276.qm@web38402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906040811n5ef4ee62h724c30f853c4c2b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/4/09, Bill Cousert  wrote:
> http://www.rapidshare.com/
>
> They have free and paid services.
>
> ________________________________
> Is there a place I can upload this file, so that others can get a copy of
> the manual?
>


Forget RapidShare.  Upload it to the Incoming directory at:
 ftp://maltedmedia.com

Be sure to notify the moderator after uploading.

Darren


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jun  4 11:46:50 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:46:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] WebRing problems
Message-ID: <4A27EC6A.20907@worldnet.att.net>

Would the manager of the Coco WebRing please contact me by e-mail. 
WebRing will not respond to me even via Contact Us, so I can't make the 
requested changes to the navigation code.


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 12:05:25 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:05:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <8F65500D2F1E42A98703ACEA6DAE6418@Shasta>
References: <D6EEFBA90DD84546946CFDDBCCAEA5EC@Shasta>
	<B021FB3B20F34E30A9636A65D9F21A29@Dell3Gig>
	<20090603210330.GA22859@virgo.sdc.org>
	<5d802cd0906031535g60bcd162j2952b8a3812e483a@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F65500D2F1E42A98703ACEA6DAE6418@Shasta>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906040905o7c822ddma752be0e837ad45@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/4/09, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>  I think it is seeing the data in track 0
>> sector 1 and deciding that it must be an OS-9 disk
>
> I think this is what is happening.
>
> I sure wish I had some way on this Vista computer to look at the first
> sector in HEX and ASCII at the same time.
>


You could try this utility from a poster on coco3.com:
<http://pilot352.home.comcast.net/~pilot352/CoCoDSK_1.5.9.09.rar>

Darren


From badfrog at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 12:08:46 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:08:46 -0500
Subject: [Coco] WebRing problems
In-Reply-To: <4A27EC6A.20907@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A27EC6A.20907@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0906040908h2703df6eu811055d1efb0f511@mail.gmail.com>

Do people even use webrings anymore?  Their main site is hideous. I
say kill it with fire.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Robert
Gault<robert.gault at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Would the manager of the Coco WebRing please contact me by e-mail. WebRing
> will not respond to me even via Contact Us, so I can't make the requested
> changes to the navigation code.
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Thu Jun  4 12:50:06 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:50:06 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <D613D6721C32430DA56224BBC25AB18A@master>
Message-ID: <2B96F6ACABDD460CA55738E09C7F44FF@Shasta>

Hi,

No can do!!

1. There cannot be any DECB Data file restrictions.

2. There cannot be any restriction on where a file is placed on a DECB disk.

Think of the case where a binary DECB data file is an OS-9 floppy contents.

The file is placed into Sector 0.

That would be a DECB disk even though it looks like an OS-9 disk. (with DECB
FNT added)

It might work initially as both a DECB and OS-9 disk.

1. There cannot be any restriction on an OS-9 file contents.

2. There cannot be any restriction on where a file is placed on a OS-9 disk.

A OS-9 file might be a valid DECB FNT contents.

This OS-9 file might end up in the correct place for an DECB FNT.

This is harder to make one that would work for both initially.

The only foolproof way to fix this is to build a time machine and go back
and tell Jeff about this problem and have him require a header on all files,
something that I remember one emulator tried to do.

And then insure that all programs follow this requirement.

Jeff knew nothing about OS-9 existence initially so he cannot be blamed.

I think he was made aware of OS-9 only after the CoCo 3 emulator was first
released.

SHF



"Bob Devries" <devries.bob-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote in
message news:D613D6721C32430DA56224BBC25AB18A at master...
> Maybe someone (we as a group?) can come up with a sure-fire way to
> differentiate between an RSDOS disk and an OS-9 disk?
>
> Lets start by listing the obvious similarities and differences.
>
> I'll head off by suggesting that Track 17 sector 1 of an RSDOS disk is all
> $FF, since it should not be used. (of course, someone could shoot me down
> in flames here.... )
>
> Also, the directory entries on sectors 3 and following of track 17 do fit
> a certain pattern, especially those bytes which denote the file type, and
> ascii flag.
>
> Anyone else care to add to this?
>
> --
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Willard Goosey" <goosey-jbiyUuBjK3C+51mZqJFLXQ at public.gmane.org>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts"
> <coco-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:35:28PM -0600, Darren A wrote:
>>>I think it is seeing the data in track 0
>>> sector 1 and deciding that it must be an OS-9 disk (even though it
>>> isn't). It then uses that information to setup an incorrect disk
>>> geometry.
>>
>> Can't handle virtual disks with data in the first sector of the disk?
>>
>> That's bad.  I mean, I've seen lots of broken software, but DAMN!
>>
>> Willard
>> -- 
>> Willard Goosey  goosey-GCsgzf5TmRs at public.gmane.org
>> Socorro, New Mexico, USA
>> I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
>>  -- R.E. Howard



From tvefoo at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 13:13:52 2009
From: tvefoo at yahoo.com (Tveo Loatouse)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:13:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Which Clock2 do I need?
Message-ID: <339966.44644.qm@web58106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


> Tveo Loatouse wrote:
> What Clock2 module do I need for Vcc? It says that I have a Cloud9 RTC
> in MPI slot 3. I like to fix it. when I boot nitros-9 v.3.2.8 default
> disk from nitros-9 project the clock and date seems to be wrong. Also,
> is there a way to get a 12 hour clock display, with AM|PM, instead of
> the 24 hour display?
> I am running Vcc inside of wine inside of slackware 12.2 Thanks.

> Robert Gault wrote:
> If you look carefully at the NitrOS-9 distribution disks, you will find
> a Clock directory. In that directory are many clock2 modules. One,
> clock2_cloud9, should work with VCC.
> Just build a new boot disk using the scripts on the distribution disks
> after selecting the desired clock2 module.
>

Thanks for the tip. I should have dug deeper, and maybe I would have seen the clock modules directory, anyway clock works great, thanks.

Tvefoo


      


From farna at att.net  Thu Jun  4 13:49:34 2009
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:49:34 -0400
Subject: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re:  VCC + wish list
Message-ID: <4A28092E.5050901@att.net>

Heck, I got it mixed up with Jeff Vavasour's emulator... at least I think that's the DOS based one... 

But, with VCC I guess Windows could be stripped down to minimal functionality. It's not easy, but there used to be a website on how to do just that. A nice little VB menu program would then do the trick. What you'd end up with is an emulator that would be similar to your "CC4" project -- minus the hardware side. 

---------
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:51:17 -0700
From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>

Frank,

VCC IS a windows program and uses DirectX 8.0 or later.  That's in the 
first line of text about the VCC on the home page.  I don't know how you 
missed it.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 13:56:47 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:56:47 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <2B96F6ACABDD460CA55738E09C7F44FF@Shasta>
References: <D613D6721C32430DA56224BBC25AB18A@master>
	<2B96F6ACABDD460CA55738E09C7F44FF@Shasta>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906041056t155b0e17w5a2bb7a3b79465e2@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/4/09, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
>
> The only foolproof way to fix this is to build a time machine and go back
> and tell Jeff about this problem and have him require a header on all files,
> something that I remember one emulator tried to do.
>
> And then insure that all programs follow this requirement.
>
> Jeff knew nothing about OS-9 existence initially so he cannot be blamed.
>
> I think he was made aware of OS-9 only after the CoCo 3 emulator was first
> released.
>
> SHF
>


VCC should adopt the MESS convention of giving an OS-9 disk image an
".os9" file name extension. Never assume that an image file with a
".dsk" extension has the disk geometry in LSN 0.

Darren


From tlindner at macmess.org  Thu Jun  4 13:57:23 2009
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Coco] WebRing problems
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0906040908h2703df6eu811055d1efb0f511@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A27EC6A.20907@worldnet.att.net>
	<9efa17da0906040908h2703df6eu811055d1efb0f511@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b0704c10906041057w2415086cj5c0d173f5edbfa0b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Sean <badfrog at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do people even use webrings anymore? ?Their main site is hideous. I
> say kill it with fire.
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Robert
> Gault<robert.gault at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Would the manager of the Coco WebRing please contact me by e-mail. WebRing
>> will not respond to me even via Contact Us, so I can't make the requested
>> changes to the navigation code.
>>

I used to be the manager of the CoCo Webring. But due to inactivity on
my part (and no email notification on their part) I lost it. Now to
regain my status I would have to pay for the privilege.

That's not going to happen.

-- 
tim lindner


From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Tue Jun  2 12:05:44 2009
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:05:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Get to know your neighbors, folks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
Message-ID: <200906021205.44819.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>

Damn! I got scared just reading your tale. I don't know where you stand with 
the Lord, but it seems to me he wants you around a little longer, and maybe is 
trying to get your attention. BUT like the others, I am so glad you are still 
here. Also sounds like you owe her a Christmas card 8-)


From spam_proof at verizon.net  Thu Jun  4 13:48:00 2009
From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:48:00 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <dcc956220906032244r6b9be25bt8386570fb92dd990@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<dcc956220906032244r6b9be25bt8386570fb92dd990@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96DFC0AF-3BF6-4841-969A-6A51E63889BD@verizon.net>

All,
     Why not have a 6809 day?  It's a great time for us to celebrate.
                        - Aaron

On Jun 4, 2009, at 1:44 AM, Fedor Steeman wrote:

> On continental Europe we get to celebrate again on the sixth of  
> august this
> year! I.e. 6-8-09 !!!
>
> :-D
>
> Oh, and third too, of course!
>
> Fedor
>
> 2009/6/4 Bill Cousert <wrcousert at yahoo.com>



From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 14:32:55 2009
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:32:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
Message-ID: <667226.97912.qm@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


What about the far and few between? disks that tracks 0-16 are OS-9 and 17-34 are DECB?

-Later!  ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting.


--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Darren A <mechacoco at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Darren A <mechacoco at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 12:56 PM
> On 6/4/09, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> >
> > The only foolproof way to fix this is to build a time
> machine and go back
> > and tell Jeff about this problem and have him require
> a header on all files,
> > something that I remember one emulator tried to do.
> >
> > And then insure that all programs follow this
> requirement.
> >
> > Jeff knew nothing about OS-9 existence initially so he
> cannot be blamed.
> >
> > I think he was made aware of OS-9 only after the CoCo
> 3 emulator was first
> > released.
> >
> > SHF
> >
> 
> 
> VCC should adopt the MESS convention of giving an OS-9 disk
> image an
> ".os9" file name extension. Never assume that an image file
> with a
> ".dsk" extension has the disk geometry in LSN 0.
> 
> Darren
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 


      


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 14:48:41 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:48:41 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <667226.97912.qm@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <667226.97912.qm@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906041148qb3c8584u8c10865cf57ed4e2@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/4/09, Bill Barnes  wrote:
>
> What about the far and few between? disks that tracks 0-16 are OS-9 and
> 17-34 are DECB?
>
> -Later!   -WB-    -- BABIC Computer Consulting.
>


That would still be a standard SS 35 track image. The default JVC disk
geometry should work fine in an emulator.

Darren


From mdelyea at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 16:05:30 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:05:30 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Happy CoCo 3 upgrade day!
In-Reply-To: <96DFC0AF-3BF6-4841-969A-6A51E63889BD@verizon.net>
References: <9efa17da0906031421t5a5f941bu81982aedb7d7d05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<111267.83492.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<dcc956220906032244r6b9be25bt8386570fb92dd990@mail.gmail.com>
	<96DFC0AF-3BF6-4841-969A-6A51E63889BD@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80906041305s5992b170t84170ba73859085f@mail.gmail.com>

Why don't we have 2, June 8th and August 6th!  That way we can cover
all the bases.


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Aaron Banerjee <spam_proof at verizon.net> wrote:
> All,
> ? ?Why not have a 6809 day? ?It's a great time for us to celebrate.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Aaron
>
> On Jun 4, 2009, at 1:44 AM, Fedor Steeman wrote:
>
>> On continental Europe we get to celebrate again on the sixth of august
>> this
>> year! I.e. 6-8-09 !!!
>>
>> :-D
>>
>> Oh, and third too, of course!
>>
>> Fedor
>>
>> 2009/6/4 Bill Cousert <wrcousert at yahoo.com>
>
>
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>


From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun  4 16:16:05 2009
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re:  VCC + wish list
In-Reply-To: <4A28092E.5050901@att.net>
References: <4A28092E.5050901@att.net>
Message-ID: <4A282B85.7020109@sbcglobal.net>

 There is a form of WinXP called "Embedded XP". It allows you to create 
a WinXP with application program that only has those elements need to 
run. Used in a lot of Point-of-Sale Terminals. Could be used to make a 
COCO3 emulator that will boot direct into the emulator.

John Donaldson


Frank Swygert wrote:
> Heck, I got it mixed up with Jeff Vavasour's emulator... at least I 
> think that's the DOS based one...
> But, with VCC I guess Windows could be stripped down to minimal 
> functionality. It's not easy, but there used to be a website on how to 
> do just that. A nice little VB menu program would then do the trick. 
> What you'd end up with is an emulator that would be similar to your 
> "CC4" project -- minus the hardware side.
> ---------
> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:51:17 -0700
> From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
>
> Frank,
>
> VCC IS a windows program and uses DirectX 8.0 or later.  That's in the 
> first line of text about the VCC on the home page.  I don't know how 
> you missed it.
>


-- 


From mdelyea at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 16:37:08 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re: VCC + wish list
In-Reply-To: <4A282B85.7020109@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4A28092E.5050901@att.net> <4A282B85.7020109@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80906041337o48fb4a20lcfdd1813daefdc1a@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm, I might try that with Puppy Linux and Wine on a USB stick.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, John Donaldson
<johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> There is a form of WinXP called "Embedded XP". It allows you to create a
> WinXP with application program that only has those elements need to run.
> Used in a lot of Point-of-Sale Terminals. Could be used to make a COCO3
> emulator that will boot direct into the emulator.
>
> John Donaldson
>
>
> Frank Swygert wrote:
>>
>> Heck, I got it mixed up with Jeff Vavasour's emulator... at least I think
>> that's the DOS based one...
>> But, with VCC I guess Windows could be stripped down to minimal
>> functionality. It's not easy, but there used to be a website on how to do
>> just that. A nice little VB menu program would then do the trick. What you'd
>> end up with is an emulator that would be similar to your "CC4" project --
>> minus the hardware side.
>> ---------
>> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:51:17 -0700
>> From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
>>
>> Frank,
>>
>> VCC IS a windows program and uses DirectX 8.0 or later. ?That's in the
>> first line of text about the VCC on the home page. ?I don't know how you
>> missed it.
>>
>
>
> --
>
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From lordsanatorium at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 16:37:33 2009
From: lordsanatorium at gmail.com (Anderson Benicasa)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:37:33 -0300
Subject: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
In-Reply-To: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8949c6710906041337x39102f01y62409737864402a2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim
I am working in projects about new disk drives interfaces, and this Service
Manual will be very useful..

Can you send this pdf to me? or, Can you tell me where and when you will
upload this document?

Thanks

Anderson



2009/6/4 Jim Cox <nutz4coco at gmail.com>

> I decided to scan the one copy of the Tandy Service Manual for the Color
> Computer 3 that I was giving away, and I now have a nice looking .pdf file
> of about 56M.
>
> The scan rate was 300 dpi, and I am thinking of scanning again at 600 dpi.
> I haven't done much with this scanner, so I am wondering if those scanning
> gurus out there may have an opinion in the matter.
>
> I did notice that some of the pictures in the manual that were taken of
> traces on an oscilliscope didn't have as much detail.  I may run some test
> scans to see if there is a difference.
>
> Is there a place I can upload this file, so that others can get a copy of
> the manual?
>
> Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/
> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/
>
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>


From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 16:39:15 2009
From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (vacuumboy1)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:39:15 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Trade
Message-ID: <h09bdj+b65g@eGroups.com>

Hi all! I was wondering if anyone would like to trade an exellent condition COCO III for an MC-10 computer? Does it even hook up to a TV? Please reply back if you would like to trade me for one.



From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Thu Jun  4 16:54:44 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:54:44 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <667226.97912.qm@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <667226.97912.qm@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D92255790AEA4FA98A364564463A951B@Shasta>

Hi,

The disk creation utility (or emulator) would have to put the header on that
is marked one or the other, never both.

The decision must not be the programs but set by the user, command line
parameter or user response to an on screen question.

For a "far and few between disk", it would need to be retrieved twice, once
for a DECB version and once for a OS-9 version.

That's just some of the costs to build a foolproof system.

The biggest cost is the time machine.

It clearly would be possible to chain together several conditions that has a
better chance to be right most of the time.

As more conditions are added more computing has to be done and soon will
have a failure rate that is smaller and smaller but will take longer and
longer.

The changes to VCC, at this point in the Coco's life, perhaps need only to 
be as good as the other emulators.

There still will be the old versions of VCC out there, even if the VCC's
author improves it.

The VCC author needs to be encouraged to join this thread.

That's the only way the real scope of this problem can be understood and the
correct steps discovered. I no longer have any trust in suggested ways to
remedy this problem including my own.

SHF



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Barnes" <da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?



What about the far and few between? disks that tracks 0-16 are OS-9 and
17-34 are DECB?

-Later!  -WB- -- BABIC Computer Consulting.


--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Darren A <mechacoco at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Darren A <mechacoco at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 12:56 PM
> On 6/4/09, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> >
> > The only foolproof way to fix this is to build a time
> machine and go back
> > and tell Jeff about this problem and have him require
> a header on all files,
> > something that I remember one emulator tried to do.
> >
> > And then insure that all programs follow this
> requirement.
> >
> > Jeff knew nothing about OS-9 existence initially so he
> cannot be blamed.
> >
> > I think he was made aware of OS-9 only after the CoCo
> 3 emulator was first
> > released.
> >
> > SHF
> >
>
>
> VCC should adopt the MESS convention of giving an OS-9 disk
> image an
> ".os9" file name extension. Never assume that an image file
> with a
> ".dsk" extension has the disk geometry in LSN 0.
>
> Darren
>
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From cdiman7 at flash.net  Thu Jun  4 17:04:43 2009
From: cdiman7 at flash.net (Karl Sefcik)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Trade
In-Reply-To: <h09bdj+b65g@eGroups.com>
References: <h09bdj+b65g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4A2836EB.7080504@flash.net>

Vacuumboy,

   You guessed correctly that the MC-10 does hook up to a tv, and it has 
color (artifac) too, I think. I had one years ago, don't anymore. I even 
found a way to make a word processor (it doesn't come with one, or one 
available. But if you get one, you can print letters, etc, if you use 
ASCII line commands and the text to be printed in " ". I printed up a 
resume, using a DMP 105 (back then) this way, just took a little 
experimenting, and I think one of the MC10 books gave the ASCII 
positioning scheme. It was a lot of fun too,lol.
   Good luck.
Karl


vacuumboy1 wrote:
> Hi all! I was wondering if anyone would like to trade an exellent condition COCO III for an MC-10 computer? Does it even hook up to a TV? Please reply back if you would like to trade me for one.
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 18:50:10 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:50:10 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
References: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com><639605.97276.qm@web38402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5d802cd0906040811n5ef4ee62h724c30f853c4c2b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA0EC7EF11784E3998B5C550B318816F@master>

As far as I know, the Tandy Colour Computer 3 service manual is already on 
the maltedmedia site.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren A" <mechacoco at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3


> On 6/4/09, Bill Cousert  wrote:
>> http://www.rapidshare.com/
>>
>> They have free and paid services.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Is there a place I can upload this file, so that others can get a copy of
>> the manual?
>>
>
>
> Forget RapidShare.  Upload it to the Incoming directory at:
> ftp://maltedmedia.com
>
> Be sure to notify the moderator after uploading.
>
> Darren
>
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jun  4 19:09:34 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:09:34 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
In-Reply-To: <FA0EC7EF11784E3998B5C550B318816F@master>
References: <889830d00906040104o21e8b4f9j9abc7806766c4b4b@mail.gmail.com><639605.97276.qm@web38402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<5d802cd0906040811n5ef4ee62h724c30f853c4c2b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<FA0EC7EF11784E3998B5C550B318816F@master>
Message-ID: <000001c9e569$875dfba0$9619f2e0$@rr.com>

26-3334 Color Computer 3 Service Manual is on Malted Media as well as my
server (sq1bbs.com/coco_files/manuals/4.pdf).


> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bob Devries
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:50 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Tandy Service Manual - Color Computer 3
> 
> As far as I know, the Tandy Colour Computer 3 service manual is already
> on the maltedmedia site.



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun  4 19:27:18 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:27:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] 300 baud days
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0906032216h536ce6dbt5ad494f7babf4e39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007001c9e4d2$ac9faae0$05df00a0$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0906032216h536ce6dbt5ad494f7babf4e39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E63A589E3144212BFC565A8DEF4F934@Dell3Gig>

I ran the Applied OS9 BBS for like 7 years using RiBBS.  Very stable.  The
only time I took the system down was for thunder storms.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Sean
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:16 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] 300 baud days
> 
> I think our local OS9 BBS ran something called RiBBS, but I 
> can't say for sure.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Bill<cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> > Speaking of 300 baud, I remember running a BBS with a 300 baud 
> > auto-answer modem.
> >
> > Now I'd like to find out whether anyone happens to have any of the 
> > popular BBS software we used to run. I'm looking for the 
> Colorama BBS 
> > software or the OS9 BBS software that was available then 
> (but I cannot 
> > remember the name of it.)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > ______________________________________
> > *Square One Christian BBS
> > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: 
> > telnet://sq1bbs.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> 
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 19:43:14 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:43:14 +1000
Subject: [Coco] 300 baud days
References: <007001c9e4d2$ac9faae0$05df00a0$@rr.com><9efa17da0906032216h536ce6dbt5ad494f7babf4e39@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E63A589E3144212BFC565A8DEF4F934@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <9C09836355C94F208B0757D89BD789AD@master>

I ran a BBS here in Australia for a short time. Originally I used CoBBS 
(from The Rainbow), and later RiBBS. I wrote some extensions to CoBBS, 
including XModem file transfers.

I modified an existing 300 baud modem to make it auto-answer.

Ha! Those were the days. :)

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Fitch" <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] 300 baud days


>I ran the Applied OS9 BBS for like 7 years using RiBBS.  Very stable.  The
> only time I took the system down was for thunder storms.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Sean
>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:16 AM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] 300 baud days
>>
>> I think our local OS9 BBS ran something called RiBBS, but I
>> can't say for sure.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Bill<cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>> > Speaking of 300 baud, I remember running a BBS with a 300 baud
>> > auto-answer modem.
>> >
>> > Now I'd like to find out whether anyone happens to have any of the
>> > popular BBS software we used to run. I'm looking for the
>> Colorama BBS
>> > software or the OS9 BBS software that was available then
>> (but I cannot
>> > remember the name of it.)
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > ______________________________________
>> > *Square One Christian BBS
>> > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access:
>> > telnet://sq1bbs.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Coco mailing list
>> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>> >
>>
>> --
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>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
>
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Thu Jun  4 20:14:01 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:14:01 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <9A10246F2C334ABFA6FEF807F508C0D8@Shasta>


"Paul Fitch" <pfitchjr-Bdlq13kUjeyLZ21kGMrzwg at public.gmane.org> wrote in 
message news:592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0 at Dell3Gig...
> VCC won't let me load it into the
> "disk drive".

Exactly what is the error message wording?

SHF



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun  4 20:54:09 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:54:09 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <9A10246F2C334ABFA6FEF807F508C0D8@Shasta>
References: <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>
	<9A10246F2C334ABFA6FEF807F508C0D8@Shasta>
Message-ID: <C9A30841F4E0405CA0903A1A24537410@Dell3Gig>

Actually there is no error, just nothing happens when I try to do a dir.
When, under DECB, I dir an OS9 disk, I get garbage, followed by ?FS ERROR.

When I dir and empty drive, I get ?IO ERROR.

When I dir the Urbane disk, I get nothing.  Just one blank line, then the OK
prompt.

Under OS9, using "RSDOS -dir /d2" it returns 
Free granules:68 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen H. Fischer
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:14 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Crunch?
> 
> 
> "Paul Fitch" 
> <pfitchjr-Bdlq13kUjeyLZ21kGMrzwg at public.gmane.org> wrote in 
> message news:592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0 at Dell3Gig...
> > VCC won't let me load it into the
> > "disk drive".
> 
> Exactly what is the error message wording?
> 
> SHF
> 
> 
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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jun  4 21:13:22 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:13:22 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Crunch?
In-Reply-To: <C9A30841F4E0405CA0903A1A24537410@Dell3Gig>
References: <592290C5C6D9492EB23489C28231FEF0@Dell3Gig>	<9A10246F2C334ABFA6FEF807F508C0D8@Shasta>
	<C9A30841F4E0405CA0903A1A24537410@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <4A287132.30607@worldnet.att.net>

Paul Fitch wrote:
> Actually there is no error, just nothing happens when I try to do a dir.
> When, under DECB, I dir an OS9 disk, I get garbage, followed by ?FS ERROR.
> 
> When I dir and empty drive, I get ?IO ERROR.
> 
> When I dir the Urbane disk, I get nothing.  Just one blank line, then the OK
> prompt.
> 
> Under OS9, using "RSDOS -dir /d2" it returns 
> Free granules:68 
> 

That's exactly what should happen if VCC takes the disk geometry from 
T0S1. VCC can't find the directory because it is looking at the wrong 
track and sector. Coincidentally, the sector is blank so there is 
nothing shown in the directory.


From swancity at internode.on.net  Thu Jun  4 18:43:14 2009
From: swancity at internode.on.net (Gerry van den Berk)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:43:14 +0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Trade
References: <h09bdj+b65g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02d001c9e565$d9065be0$6401a8c0@nonee919662542>

vacuumboy1 wrote:
> Hi all! I was wondering if anyone would like to trade an exellent
> condition COCO III for an MC-10 computer? Does it even hook up to a
> TV? Please reply back if you would like to trade me for one.  
> 

Where are you located? 


From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Thu Jun  4 21:59:36 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:59:36 -0400
Subject: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re:  VCC + wish list
In-Reply-To: <4A282B85.7020109@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4A28092E.5050901@att.net> <4A282B85.7020109@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00ae01c9e581$493ac520$dbb04f60$@com>

BartPE would be a good thing to use to create a stripped down Windows to use
just for emulation.

We use it for embedded systems at work and I have a copy that boots from a
USB Thumb Drive for imaging the touchscreens that use the embedded version
of Windows.

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

It is great for making boot cd's to scan for viruses etc...

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of John Donaldson
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:16 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re: VCC + wish list

 There is a form of WinXP called "Embedded XP". It allows you to create 
a WinXP with application program that only has those elements need to 
run. Used in a lot of Point-of-Sale Terminals. Could be used to make a 
COCO3 emulator that will boot direct into the emulator.

John Donaldson


Frank Swygert wrote:
> Heck, I got it mixed up with Jeff Vavasour's emulator... at least I 
> think that's the DOS based one...
> But, with VCC I guess Windows could be stripped down to minimal 
> functionality. It's not easy, but there used to be a website on how to 
> do just that. A nice little VB menu program would then do the trick. 
> What you'd end up with is an emulator that would be similar to your 
> "CC4" project -- minus the hardware side.
> ---------
> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:51:17 -0700
> From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
>
> Frank,
>
> VCC IS a windows program and uses DirectX 8.0 or later.  That's in the 
> first line of text about the VCC on the home page.  I don't know how 
> you missed it.
>


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From tonym at compusource.net  Thu Jun  4 22:25:48 2009
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:25:48 GMT
Subject: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re: VCC + wish list
Message-ID: <200906042225836.SM05016@[208.76.35.239]>

Frank,

You're probably thinking of nLite - http://www.nliteos.com/ - free, and been around for quite a while - at least 5-6 years.
There's also http://www.litepc.com , but it's $39.


Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Swygert farna at att.net
Sent 6/4/2009 1:49:34 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] VCC is a Windows program Re: VCC + wish list

Heck, I got it mixed up with Jeff Vavasour's emulator... at least I think that's the DOS based one... 

But, with VCC I guess Windows could be stripped down to minimal functionality. It's not easy, but there used to be a website on how to do just that. A nice little VB menu program would then do the trick. What you'd end up with is an emulator that would be similar to your "CC4" project -- minus the hardware side. 

---------
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:51:17 -0700
From: Steve Bjork 6809er at bjork-huffman.net

Frank,

VCC IS a windows program and uses DirectX 8.0 or later. That's in the 
first line of text about the VCC on the home page. I don't know how you 
missed it.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)


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From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun  4 23:45:41 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OS9 del question
In-Reply-To: <200906042225836.SM05016@[208.76.35.239]>
References: <200906042225836.SM05016@[208.76.35.239]>
Message-ID: <DB6C51F5F162445C9FA0988D3933A5FA@Dell3Gig>

I was doing some disk copying, using "diskcopy" and got the wrong
destination directory.

So I used "ls -sacen" to generate a single column list of the files in my
dir.  I then edited the list to leave only the GREAT BUNCH of files I want
to delete.

Now I want to feed that list to "del" to make them all go away.  I figure I
could edit the list again, making it a script file with "del" at the top,
but I'm not sure how to get it to accept the remaining lines as input.

I'm using the 2006 vewrsion of Nitros9 with the standard "del" command and
"shell+ v2.2".

Any help would be appreciated.



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 00:42:22 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:42:22 +1000
Subject: [Coco] OS9 del question
References: <200906042225836.SM05016@[208.76.35.239]>
	<DB6C51F5F162445C9FA0988D3933A5FA@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <043D6194B0644BF099E5994E0751C191@master>

Sadly, I don't think the OS9/6809 version of the del utility supports 
reading the filenames from stdin or a file as does the version in OS9/68000.

The syntax *should* be:

del -z
or
del -z=files_to_be_deleted.txt

You would need to edit your file list to add the command "del " to the start 
of each line (don't forget the space after del).

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Fitch" <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:45 PM
Subject: [Coco] OS9 del question


>I was doing some disk copying, using "diskcopy" and got the wrong
> destination directory.
>
> So I used "ls -sacen" to generate a single column list of the files in my
> dir.  I then edited the list to leave only the GREAT BUNCH of files I want
> to delete.
>
> Now I want to feed that list to "del" to make them all go away.  I figure 
> I
> could edit the list again, making it a script file with "del" at the top,
> but I'm not sure how to get it to accept the remaining lines as input.
>
> I'm using the 2006 vewrsion of Nitros9 with the standard "del" command and
> "shell+ v2.2".
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun  5 11:57:47 2009
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:57:47 -0500
Subject: [Coco] 300 baud days
In-Reply-To: <9C09836355C94F208B0757D89BD789AD@master>
References: <007001c9e4d2$ac9faae0$05df00a0$@rr.com><9efa17da0906032216h536ce6dbt5ad494f7babf4e39@mail.gmail.com>	<9E63A589E3144212BFC565A8DEF4F934@Dell3Gig>
	<9C09836355C94F208B0757D89BD789AD@master>
Message-ID: <4A29407B.5090205@sbcglobal.net>

I took it one step further. I ported RIBBS over to my MM/1 and ran the 
ONLY 68K RIBBS BBS in Houston, TX and mabey in the world. LOL. When I 
sold my MM/1 to Dave Kelly he inherited the 68K  RIBBS BBS.

John Donaldson
 

Bob Devries wrote:
> I ran a BBS here in Australia for a short time. Originally I used 
> CoBBS (from The Rainbow), and later RiBBS. I wrote some extensions to 
> CoBBS, including XModem file transfers.
>
> I modified an existing 300 baud modem to make it auto-answer.
>
> Ha! Those were the days. :)
>
> -- 
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Fitch" <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] 300 baud days
>
>
>> I ran the Applied OS9 BBS for like 7 years using RiBBS.  Very 
>> stable.  The
>> only time I took the system down was for thunder storms.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
>>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Sean
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:16 AM
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] 300 baud days
>>>
>>> I think our local OS9 BBS ran something called RiBBS, but I
>>> can't say for sure.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Bill<cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>> > Speaking of 300 baud, I remember running a BBS with a 300 baud
>>> > auto-answer modem.
>>> >
>>> > Now I'd like to find out whether anyone happens to have any of the
>>> > popular BBS software we used to run. I'm looking for the
>>> Colorama BBS
>>> > software or the OS9 BBS software that was available then
>>> (but I cannot
>>> > remember the name of it.)
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > ______________________________________
>>> > *Square One Christian BBS
>>> > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access:
>>> > telnet://sq1bbs.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
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>>> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>> >
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
>>
>>
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>
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From lordsanatorium at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 23:55:26 2009
From: lordsanatorium at gmail.com (Anderson Benicasa)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:55:26 -0300
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK
Message-ID: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys!

I need a information.. how can i extract the BIN files from a DSK?

Is there some kind of program or PC utility?

that's because I want to convert BIN files in to ROM files to build a
Multicard for COCO Computers.. and i don't find programs in BIN format.

Regards

Anderson


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 00:12:33 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 14:12:33 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F00C655CFFCA4363ABECCCFB0C0B6595@master>

In the MESS suite of files, there is one called WImgTool.exe. This allows 
you to view the contents of a DSK file and read and write files.

Various versions of MESS may be found here: http://www.mess.org/download

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anderson Benicasa" <lordsanatorium at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 1:55 PM
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK


> Hi Guys!
>
> I need a information.. how can i extract the BIN files from a DSK?
>
> Is there some kind of program or PC utility?
>
> that's because I want to convert BIN files in to ROM files to build a
> Multicard for COCO Computers.. and i don't find programs in BIN format.
>
> Regards
>
> Anderson
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 00:15:41 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 14:15:41 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master>

Don't forget that colour computer .BIN files have 10 extra bytes added to 
the actual code; 5 at the start and 5 at the end, to give information such 
as length, start address and execute address. As well, not all .BIN files 
are relocatable, and may not run as a ROM file in a location other than the 
one for which they were written.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anderson Benicasa" <lordsanatorium at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 1:55 PM
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK


> Hi Guys!
>
> I need a information.. how can i extract the BIN files from a DSK?
>
> Is there some kind of program or PC utility?
>
> that's because I want to convert BIN files in to ROM files to build a
> Multicard for COCO Computers.. and i don't find programs in BIN format.
>
> Regards
>
> Anderson
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  5 23:45:59 2009
From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (vacuumboy1)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:45:59 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] UPDATE ON TRADING! PLS READ!
Message-ID: <h0copn+f1p3@eGroups.com>

I have always been craving a portable computer running BASIC, and I found the tandy 100. So, (I dont think this is possible) I would like to trade a coco III for a Tandy 100 portale computer. I do not care if it comes with a case or not, I just need a working model. I am sorry if this screwed some things up, but I don't think an MC 10 suited my needs. So, If you are interested in trading, please reply to this message! Thanks!



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun  6 06:20:59 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 06:20:59 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] UPDATE ON TRADING! PLS READ!
In-Reply-To: <h0copn+f1p3@eGroups.com>
References: <h0copn+f1p3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <D63E9759BC08402CB756AE8BA5A1CA37@Dell3Gig>

Dude, Brand new PC netbooks are going for around $200.00 these days.  Get
one of those and run an emulaor on like VCC or MESS on it.  You get around
300 times the computing power + a warranty!
http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtualt  is a link to a page that has a
Model 100 emulator.  I've never run it.

My point is, try the software route first, so you know whether it will do
what you want. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of vacuumboy1
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:46 PM
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] UPDATE ON TRADING! PLS READ!
> 
> I have always been craving a portable computer running BASIC, 
> and I found the tandy 100. So, (I dont think this is 
> possible) I would like to trade a coco III for a Tandy 100 
> portale computer. I do not care if it comes with a case or 
> not, I just need a working model. I am sorry if this screwed 
> some things up, but I don't think an MC 10 suited my needs. 
> So, If you are interested in trading, please reply to this 
> message! Thanks!
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun  6 06:22:04 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 06:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>

Come on guys?! Is there so little interest in how a Coco3 - not emulator 
- works that nobody wants to run this program and report what they see?

10 HSCREEN2: POKE&HFF99,5 : You can also use ,4 and ,6
20 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7
30 FOR M=0TO15:LPOKE &H60000+M,128: FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M
40 FOR M=0TO 3:LPOKE &H60010+M, 64: FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M
50 GOTO50


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun  6 06:27:43 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 06:27:43 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK
In-Reply-To: <EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master>
Message-ID: <4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>

Bob Devries wrote:
> Don't forget that colour computer .BIN files have 10 extra bytes added 
> to the actual code; 5 at the start and 5 at the end, to give information 
> such as length, start address and execute address. As well, not all .BIN 
> files are relocatable, and may not run as a ROM file in a location other 
> than the one for which they were written.
> 

In fact, if the program has multiple origins or was compiled by EDTASM+, 
there will be several of these extra bytes, pre- and postambles. They 
will be present for each origin statement and each block of a 
multi-segment binary program.


From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun  6 06:28:47 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 06:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <0F52F3B7549544078A556CD1DB6EC2A3@Dell3Gig>

Sorry Robert, I don't have my system back together yet.  Tho I just bought
Rogers bluetooth pac (haven't received it yet), and I picked up an MPI on
ebay just yesterday.  Only thing I still need is a COCO3 to PC monitor
adapter. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:22 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved 
> HSCREEN mode?
> 
> Come on guys?! Is there so little interest in how a Coco3 - 
> not emulator
> - works that nobody wants to run this program and report what 
> they see?
> 
> 10 HSCREEN2: POKE&HFF99,5 : You can also use ,4 and ,6 20 
> PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7 30 FOR M=0TO15:LPOKE &H60000+M,128: 
> FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M 40 FOR M=0TO 3:LPOKE &H60010+M, 64: 
> FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M 50 GOTO50
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun  6 06:30:15 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 06:30:15 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 to PC monitor adapters
In-Reply-To: <4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4CC7EC1D947F46AAA1B56D32B4A0F9CA@Dell3Gig>

Where can I get one of these?  I've seen them now and again, but I think
they are made in Batch runs, and I don't remember who to contact about
ordering one. 



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun  6 07:23:06 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 07:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 to PC monitor adapters
In-Reply-To: <4CC7EC1D947F46AAA1B56D32B4A0F9CA@Dell3Gig>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
	<4CC7EC1D947F46AAA1B56D32B4A0F9CA@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <4A2A519A.1040605@worldnet.att.net>

Paul Fitch wrote:
> Where can I get one of these?  I've seen them now and again, but I think
> they are made in Batch runs, and I don't remember who to contact about
> ordering one. 
> 
> 

There are some links on the main Coco3.com page. Try this one.
http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/articles/revjustusvga.html


From benbleau at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 09:03:05 2009
From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:03:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com>	<4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A2A6909.5090509@gmail.com>

Robert Gault wrote:
> Come on guys?! Is there so little interest in how a Coco3 - not 
> emulator - works that nobody wants to run this program and report what 
> they see?
On my CM8 monitor, I see a dark gray background. On top of the screen I 
seen some small blue bands, about one every half-inch, going across the 
screen. The last 3 or 4 bands are of a lighter blue than the rest

-Benoit


From zmerch-coco at 30below.com  Sat Jun  6 09:04:45 2009
From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:04:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] UPDATE ON TRADING! PLS READ!
In-Reply-To: <D63E9759BC08402CB756AE8BA5A1CA37@Dell3Gig>
References: <h0copn+f1p3@eGroups.com>
 <h0copn+f1p3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090606083342.014b54d0@mail.30below.com>

Rumor has it that Paul Fitch may have mentioned these words:
>Dude, Brand new PC netbooks are going for around $200.00 these days.

Sorry, but after the "Dude" all I heard in my head was that druggie saying 
"Get a Dell!" (Not that I think pot's all that bad, but it made for a more 
dramatic headline... ;-)

>   Get
>one of those and run an emulaor on like VCC or MESS on it.  You get around
>300 times the computing power + a warranty!

And (by Model 100 standards) pitiful battery life, an absolutely *dreadful* 
keyboard and I don't think you can hook a NADSBox to it (not even via 
emulation if the Netbook has an SD-card slot).

Whazza NADSBox? Check out the links at www.club100.org.

>http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtualt  is a link to a page that has a
>Model 100 emulator.  I've never run it.
>
>My point is, try the software route first, so you know whether it will do
>what you want.

The OP may not have a couple'o'hundred clams to spare, and wants to trade 
one of the best desktop computers of the period for the best laptop 
computer of the period. Sounds like a reasonable trade to me and ground 
shipping would be fairly inexpensive if one is willing to wait.

> > I have always been craving a portable computer running BASIC,
> > and I found the tandy 100. So, (I dont think this is
> > possible) I would like to trade a coco III for a Tandy 100
> > portale computer. I do not care if it comes with a case or
> > not, I just need a working model. I am sorry if this screwed
> > some things up, but I don't think an MC 10 suited my needs.
> > So, If you are interested in trading, please reply to this
> > message! Thanks!

Unforch, I've neglected my CoCos (my first computers before my T200) more 
than my Model 'T' computers due to lack of time... That said, depending on 
what the CoCo comes with it sounds like a fair trade to me...

If you're looking for a more "captive" Model 100 audience, I have a 
listserver dedicated to just that.

To subscribe, email m100-subscribe at list.30below.com and reply to the 
confirmation message. To post, email m100 at list.30below.com. There's a 
bazillion (OK, closer to 100+) people on the list dedicated to bringing the 
most out of these ol' Model 'T' systems!

Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger

--
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zmerch at 30below.com.         |
SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers



From random_rodder at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  6 09:21:26 2009
From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 06:21:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 to PC monitor adapters
In-Reply-To: <4A2A519A.1040605@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>
	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
	<4CC7EC1D947F46AAA1B56D32B4A0F9CA@Dell3Gig>
	<4A2A519A.1040605@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <588111.54744.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Contact Roy Justice for this adapter. He's got quite a backlog as of the last time I talked to him. However, if you are going to run a REAL CoCo3, then this is a must have item.

His email is: RJRTTY at aol.com




________________________________
From: Robert Gault <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 7:23:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 to PC monitor adapters

Paul Fitch wrote:
> Where can I get one of these?  I've seen them now and again, but I think
> they are made in Batch runs, and I don't remember who to contact about
> ordering one. 
> 

There are some links on the main Coco3.com page. Try this one.
http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/articles/revjustusvga.html

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From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Sat Jun  6 09:53:18 2009
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:53:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2A6909.5090509@gmail.com>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com>	<4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net> <4A2A6909.5090509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37273897-DDE0-41A5-BEA2-52E6D5D8262E@earthlink.net>

Sorry about the picture not being here.  I think it was too big  
(60kB).  I got a notification :

Your request to the Coco mailing list

     Posting of your message titled "Re: [Coco] What do you make of
this non-approved HSCREEN mode?"

has been rejected by the list moderator.  The moderator gave the
following reason for rejecting your request:

"No reason given"

----------------------original message---------

Magnavox monitor.  Blood red background.  Using &HFF99,4, the pixel  
"beads" are purplish,each about 3 pixels long (like a dash).  Using  
&HFF99,5 they are dark blue, and using &HFF99,6 they are black.  As  
Benoit reports, they grade off in color toward the right side of the  
screen.  The first row has 20 "dashes", the second row is incomplete,  
with only 4 of them.

Picture of &HFF99,6 attached.  Sorry, monitor needs to be degaussed.   
Camera has a problem with the depth and focus, but for sure, with the  
naked eye, each pixel is sharply defined.

----------------------end original message---------


On Jun 6, 2009, at Saturday, June 6, 2009 - 9:03 AM, Benoit Bleau wrote:

> Robert Gault wrote:
>> Come on guys?! Is there so little interest in how a Coco3 - not  
>> emulator - works that nobody wants to run this program and report  
>> what they see?
> On my CM8 monitor, I see a dark gray background. On top of the  
> screen I seen some small blue bands, about one every half-inch,  
> going across the screen. The last 3 or 4 bands are of a lighter  
> blue than the rest
>
> -Benoit
>
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From lordsanatorium at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 10:58:41 2009
From: lordsanatorium at gmail.com (Anderson Benicasa)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:58:41 -0300
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK
In-Reply-To: <4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master>
	<4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bob

Thanks for answer and tips..

Do you know if it is possible convert the Tom Mix Adventures (calixto, Black
sanctum, etc) to ROM format?

Maybe just subtracting the 5 bytes?

Regards

Anderson




2009/6/6 Robert Gault <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>

> Bob Devries wrote:
>
>> Don't forget that colour computer .BIN files have 10 extra bytes added to
>> the actual code; 5 at the start and 5 at the end, to give information such
>> as length, start address and execute address. As well, not all .BIN files
>> are relocatable, and may not run as a ROM file in a location other than the
>> one for which they were written.
>>
>>
> In fact, if the program has multiple origins or was compiled by EDTASM+,
> there will be several of these extra bytes, pre- and postambles. They will
> be present for each origin statement and each block of a multi-segment
> binary program.
>
>
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From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun  6 11:42:04 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:42:04 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
In-Reply-To: <8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com><EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master><4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>
	<8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FF7E958413F4998A96A088F140D7566@Dell3Gig>

 What software do I use to open the archive files located at:

http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/

The files are in a "YEAR-MONTH.txt.gz" form when downloaded, and gzip,
7-zip, winzip, winace are stumped when I try to open one.



From wrcousert at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  6 11:54:12 2009
From: wrcousert at yahoo.com (Bill Cousert)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
In-Reply-To: <4FF7E958413F4998A96A088F140D7566@Dell3Gig>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com><EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master><4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>
	<8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FF7E958413F4998A96A088F140D7566@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <31594.1688.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm pretty certain winrar can handle .gz files.

?



________________________________
From: Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:42:04 AM
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives

What software do I use to open the archive files located at:

http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/

The files are in a "YEAR-MONTH.txt.gz" form when downloaded, and gzip,
7-zip, winzip, winace are stumped when I try to open one.


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From t.fadden at cox.net  Sat Jun  6 12:00:00 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:00:00 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
In-Reply-To: <31594.1688.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com><EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master><4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>	<8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>	<4FF7E958413F4998A96A088F140D7566@Dell3Gig>
	<31594.1688.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A2A9280.1020505@cox.net>

All,

Nope winrar does not work.  I believe these are just straight text 
files, not gzip'd They have a gz extension on them, but no unzipper I 
have tried recognizes them.  They do open just fine in a TEXT reader! or 
with more, cat, etc on a unix box.  If you manually just remove the .gz 
and leave them a .txt you will be set to go.

P.S. I did not try every single one, but I did try more than 10 
throughout the selection.

Tim


Bill Cousert wrote:
> I'm pretty certain winrar can handle .gz files.
>
>  
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:42:04 AM
> Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
>
> What software do I use to open the archive files located at:
>
> http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/
>
> The files are in a "YEAR-MONTH.txt.gz" form when downloaded, and gzip,
> 7-zip, winzip, winace are stumped when I try to open one.
>
>
> --
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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun  6 13:59:56 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:59:56 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <37273897-DDE0-41A5-BEA2-52E6D5D8262E@earthlink.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com>	<4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2A6909.5090509@gmail.com>
	<37273897-DDE0-41A5-BEA2-52E6D5D8262E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4A2AAE9C.2090300@worldnet.att.net>

James and Benoit,

You will need to look very carefully at the screen. The FOR/NEXT loops 
should set 16 pixels in the first loop and 4 pixels in the second. Now 
look at both the right and left sides of the screen.

Why is there a second row of 4 pixels set at the left side of the screen?!

==============
The colors seen will depend on whether a composite or RGB monitor is 
being used. The actual colors don't matter and may need to be changed 
for easier viewing.


From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun  6 14:10:52 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 14:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
In-Reply-To: <4A2A9280.1020505@cox.net>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com><EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master><4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>	<8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>	<4FF7E958413F4998A96A088F140D7566@Dell3Gig><31594.1688.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4A2A9280.1020505@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E4C710F619484992A75980AF41750518@Dell3Gig>

Well I guess I'm to trusting<g>. I never even considered just trying to use
notepad/wordpad to open them.. Thanks. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:00 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
> 
> All,
> 
> Nope winrar does not work.  I believe these are just straight 
> text files, not gzip'd They have a gz extension on them, but 
> no unzipper I have tried recognizes them.  They do open just 
> fine in a TEXT reader! or with more, cat, etc on a unix box.  
> If you manually just remove the .gz and leave them a .txt you 
> will be set to go.
> 
> P.S. I did not try every single one, but I did try more than 
> 10 throughout the selection.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> Bill Cousert wrote:
> > I'm pretty certain winrar can handle .gz files.
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:42:04 AM
> > Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
> >
> > What software do I use to open the archive files located at:
> >
> > http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/
> >
> > The files are in a "YEAR-MONTH.txt.gz" form when 
> downloaded, and gzip, 
> > 7-zip, winzip, winace are stumped when I try to open one.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 14:28:21 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:28:21 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK
In-Reply-To: <8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master>
	<4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>
	<8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906061128k1aa8a0e2s97c547d268db3f88@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/6/09, Anderson Benicasa  wrote:

> Do you know if it is possible convert the Tom Mix Adventures (calixto, Black
> sanctum, etc) to ROM format?
>
> Maybe just subtracting the 5 bytes?
>
> Regards
>
> Anderson
>
-----

Those two games are provided as multi-segment BIN files.  The first
segment loads a jump table into low RAM.  That is followed by a large
number of 255 byte segments with the code and data starting at $1C00.

A quick look through the code reveals some absolute JMPs to the $2xxx
range, so my guess is they probably won't run from the Cartridge ROM
address space.

One possibility would be to create a small loader routine in the ROM
followed by the BIN file data so that the game is loaded from ROM into
RAM at startup.

Darren


From t.fadden at cox.net  Sat Jun  6 14:54:27 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:54:27 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
In-Reply-To: <E4C710F619484992A75980AF41750518@Dell3Gig>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com><EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master><4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>	<8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>	<4FF7E958413F4998A96A088F140D7566@Dell3Gig><31594.1688.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<4A2A9280.1020505@cox.net>
	<E4C710F619484992A75980AF41750518@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <4A2ABB63.7060101@cox.net>

Paul Fitch wrote:
> Well I guess I'm to trusting<g>. I never even considered just trying to use
> notepad/wordpad to open them.. Thanks. 
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:00 PM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Nope winrar does not work.  I believe these are just straight 
>> text files, not gzip'd They have a gz extension on them, but 
>> no unzipper I have tried recognizes them.  They do open just 
>> fine in a TEXT reader! or with more, cat, etc on a unix box.  
>> If you manually just remove the .gz and leave them a .txt you 
>> will be set to go.
>>
>> P.S. I did not try every single one, but I did try more than 
>> 10 throughout the selection.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Bill Cousert wrote:
>>     
>>> I'm pretty certain winrar can handle .gz files.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:42:04 AM
>>> Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
>>>
>>> What software do I use to open the archive files located at:
>>>
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/
>>>
>>> The files are in a "YEAR-MONTH.txt.gz" form when 
>>>       
>> downloaded, and gzip, 
>>     
>>> 7-zip, winzip, winace are stumped when I try to open one.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>     
>
>
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>   
Look for textpad, or notepad++  These files are in unix format, and do 
not look correct with notepad/dos apps.  The two I mentioned displays 
them properly. There are many others out there also.  You can probably 
find utilities to change from/to unix/dos end-of-line chars.

Tim


From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  6 15:20:47 2009
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
Message-ID: <182366.88639.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Crimson Editor (FREEware) handles practically any "Format" it loads whether it's just CR(UNIX), CRLF(DOS), or LF(MAC). and you can change it and save it with the corrected format. It's a good editor for programming too. (options on tabs or spaces for tabs as well.) Windows only, but works from Win95/NT thru Vista.

Note: Crimson Editor has been supreceded by the (GPL) Emerald Editor, which runs under Windows, Linux, BSD, and Mac OS-X. and "Right now it's not ready for download - you can download what we have in the Subversion repository if you want, but unless you're an experienced coder, you're likely to find it won't do what you think - it's not a usable download unless you can compile the software yourself. Full downloads will be made available soon"

-Later!  ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting.


--- On Sat, 6/6/09, Tim Fadden <t.fadden at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Tim Fadden <t.fadden at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 1:54 PM
> Paul Fitch wrote:
> > Well I guess I'm to trusting<g>. I never even
> considered just trying to use
> > notepad/wordpad to open them.. Thanks. 
> >???
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com]
> On Behalf Of Tim Fadden
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:00 PM
> >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
> >> 
> >> All,
> >> 
> >> Nope winrar does not work.? I believe these
> are just straight text files, not gzip'd They have a gz
> extension on them, but no unzipper I have tried recognizes
> them.? They do open just fine in a TEXT reader! or with
> more, cat, etc on a unix box.? If you manually just
> remove the .gz and leave them a .txt you will be set to go.
> >> 
> >> P.S. I did not try every single one, but I did try
> more than 10 throughout the selection.
> >> 
> >> Tim
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Bill Cousert wrote:
> >>? ???
> >>> I'm pretty certain winrar can handle .gz
> files.
> >>> 
> >>>? 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
> >>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:42:04 AM
> >>> Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
> >>> 
> >>> What software do I use to open the archive
> files located at:
> >>> 
> >>> http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/
> >>> 
> >>> The files are in a "YEAR-MONTH.txt.gz" form
> when? ? ???
> >> downloaded, and gzip,? ???
> >>> 7-zip, winzip, winace are stumped when I try
> to open one.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Coco mailing list
> >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Coco mailing list
> >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>? ? ? ???
> >> --
> >> Coco mailing list
> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >> 
> >>? ???
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> > 
> > 
> >???
> Look for textpad, or notepad++? These files are in
> unix format, and do not look correct with notepad/dos
> apps.? The two I mentioned displays them properly.
> There are many others out there also.? You can probably
> find utilities to change from/to unix/dos end-of-line
> chars.
> 
> Tim
> 
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> 


      


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Sat Jun  6 17:56:05 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 17:56:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
In-Reply-To: <4FF7E958413F4998A96A088F140D7566@Dell3Gig>
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com><EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master><4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>	<8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FF7E958413F4998A96A088F140D7566@Dell3Gig>
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I just tried and opened them right up with my favorite word processor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Paul Fitch
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:42 AM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
> 
>  What software do I use to open the archive files located at:
> 
> http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/
> 
> The files are in a "YEAR-MONTH.txt.gz" form when downloaded, and gzip,
> 7-zip, winzip, winace are stumped when I try to open one.
> 




From tlindner at macmess.org  Sat Jun  6 20:31:59 2009
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 17:31:59 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Opening the Coco Archives
In-Reply-To: <182366.88639.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1j0wgod.1enzhbv1idlqtiM%tlindner@macmess.org>

Bill Barnes <da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com> wrote:

> CR(UNIX), CRLF(DOS), or LF(MAC)

You got Mac and UNIX swapped.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 22:14:13 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:14:13 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK
References: <8949c6710906052055q283ced92v5151aa6635596a25@mail.gmail.com><EB0A4BB0F420490BA27A29DE2EB43826@master><4A2A449F.2060709@worldnet.att.net>
	<8949c6710906060758s67bd074ay267e31a9e4195fe7@mail.gmail.com>
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To see if a programme will properly execute at another address, it is only 
necessary to offset load it. If it crashes when you do that, it's a nogo.

LOADM"CALIXTO",&H100 : REM just a 256 byte offset here.
EXEC

That's all you really need, I think.
If it survives that, it should also work in a ROM location at, say, &HC000.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anderson Benicasa" <lordsanatorium at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Extract BIN from DSK


> Hi Bob
>
> Thanks for answer and tips..
>
> Do you know if it is possible convert the Tom Mix Adventures (calixto, 
> Black
> sanctum, etc) to ROM format?
>
> Maybe just subtracting the 5 bytes?
>
> Regards
>
> Anderson
>
>
>
>
> 2009/6/6 Robert Gault <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
>
>> Bob Devries wrote:
>>
>>> Don't forget that colour computer .BIN files have 10 extra bytes added 
>>> to
>>> the actual code; 5 at the start and 5 at the end, to give information 
>>> such
>>> as length, start address and execute address. As well, not all .BIN 
>>> files
>>> are relocatable, and may not run as a ROM file in a location other than 
>>> the
>>> one for which they were written.
>>>
>>>
>> In fact, if the program has multiple origins or was compiled by EDTASM+,
>> there will be several of these extra bytes, pre- and postambles. They 
>> will
>> be present for each origin statement and each block of a multi-segment
>> binary program.
>>
>>
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From ed.orbea at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 23:17:27 2009
From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:17:27 -0700
Subject: [Coco]  Opening the Coco Archives
Message-ID: <4A2B3147.7070208@gmail.com>



From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Sat Jun  6 23:36:54 2009
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 23:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
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Hmmm.  HSCREEN2 is only 320 pixels wide.  Line 30 says you are poking  
128 into the first 16 pixels of the hires screen.  Is T a counter?  I  
though perhaps the program was grabbing 400 as the decimal number of  
pixels in the row, so I changed it to 319, but it did not change the  
display.  Line 40 says you are poking 64 into pixels 17-20, then  
executing the T loop again.

What has me puzzled now is that line 40 seems to be executing before  
line 30, in that pixels 0-3 turn black, then there are 16 red ones,  
then another 4 black, etc.  After 16 black "dashes" are laid down in  
the top row, 4 light blue "dashes" get laid down in the second row  
SIMULTANEOUSLY with the last 4 dashes in the top row; the last 4  
dashes in the top row are also the same light blue instead of black.   
That is where the second row at the left side comes in being generated.

So I am seeing the program itself specify laying down 16 pixels of  
one color, followed by 4 pixels of a second color.  On screen,  
however, I see it lay down 4 pixels of one color followed by 16 of  
the second color, and possibly suffering some sort of line overflow  
before it gets to the end of the HSCREEN2 row.

Maybe more commenting of the listing would help solve this??  What  
did you want it to do??


On Jun 6, 2009, at Saturday, June 6, 2009 - 1:59 PM, Robert Gault wrote:

> James and Benoit,
>
> You will need to look very carefully at the screen. The FOR/NEXT  
> loops should set 16 pixels in the first loop and 4 pixels in the  
> second. Now look at both the right and left sides of the screen.
>
> Why is there a second row of 4 pixels set at the left side of the  
> screen?!
>
> ==============
> The colors seen will depend on whether a composite or RGB monitor  
> is being used. The actual colors don't matter and may need to be  
> changed for easier viewing.
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  7 00:06:17 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:06:17 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <F1020795-F2A3-4C7F-BF22-A995CF45C04A@earthlink.net>
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James Hrubik wrote:
> Hmmm.  HSCREEN2 is only 320 pixels wide. 
Either you did not see the original message in this thread or you have 
not considered that the value in $FF99 was changed. The screen is no 
longer in the HSCREEN2 mode.

> Line 30 says you are poking 
> 128 into the first 16 pixels of the hires screen.

Not so. The value POKEd into $FF99 (5) indicates that this is a four 
color mode. The first 16 bytes were set but not the first 16 pixels.

> Is T a counter?

FOR T= is a time waster that delays the setting of the pixels so you can 
watch what is happening.

>  I 
> though perhaps the program was grabbing 400 as the decimal number of 
> pixels in the row, so I changed it to 319, but it did not change the 
> display.  Line 40 says you are poking 64 into pixels 17-20, then 
> executing the T loop again.

Again not so. Line 40 sets data in the 17th - 20th bytes not pixels.

> 
> What has me puzzled now is that line 40 seems to be executing before 
> line 30, in that pixels 0-3 turn black, then there are 16 red ones, then 
> another 4 black, etc.  After 16 black "dashes" are laid down in the top 
> row,
Line 40 can't run before line 30. I can't explain what you think you are 
seeing.

Here is the main point.

> 4 light blue "dashes" get laid down in the second row 
> SIMULTANEOUSLY with the last 4 dashes in the top row; the last 4 dashes 
> in the top row are also the same light blue instead of black.  That is 
> where the second row at the left side comes in being generated.

How can a loop which runs four times and sets one byte per pass change 
eight bytes.

> 
> So I am seeing the program itself specify laying down 16 pixels of one 
> color, followed by 4 pixels of a second color.

Exactly.

>  On screen, however, I 
> see it lay down 4 pixels of one color followed by 16 of the second 
> color, and possibly suffering some sort of line overflow before it gets 
> to the end of the HSCREEN2 row.

You are not looking at the program correctly. Each pass through the 
loops put one byte of data on the screen. The number of pixels set 
depends on the color mode. If the screen is 2-color then one pixel has 
color A and 7 pixels have color B. 4-color is 1 vrs. 3. 16-color is 1 
vrs. 1.

> 
> Maybe more commenting of the listing would help solve this??  What did 
> you want it to do??
> 
> 

I want the program to do exactly what it looks like, set one screen byte 
per loop pass. The question is why is the second loop setting two bytes 
per pass, one on each side of the screen.

Note that this is not one of the approved Tandy HSCREEN modes for the 
Coco3. These modes are twenty bytes wide and have either 2, 4, or 16 
colors depending on the value used for $FF99.


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 00:16:13 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:16:13 +1000
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>
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I get a dark grey screen with 16 short dark blue lines set at intervals 
(horizontally) after which there are 8 light blue lines set at the same 
intervals, the last 4 of which are under the first 4 dark blue lines. The 
spacing appears to be approximately twice the length of one of the short 
lines.

This is of course on my PAL coco3 (1MB).

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gault" <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?


> Come on guys?! Is there so little interest in how a Coco3 - not emulator - 
> works that nobody wants to run this program and report what they see?
>
> 10 HSCREEN2: POKE&HFF99,5 : You can also use ,4 and ,6
> 20 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7
> 30 FOR M=0TO15:LPOKE &H60000+M,128: FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M
> 40 FOR M=0TO 3:LPOKE &H60010+M, 64: FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M
> 50 GOTO50
>
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  7 00:35:08 2009
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 00:35:08 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
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On Jun 7, 2009, at Sunday, June 7, 2009 - 12:06 AM, Robert Gault wrote:

> James Hrubik wrote:
>> Hmmm.  HSCREEN2 is only 320 pixels wide.
> Either you did not see the original message in this thread or you  
> have not considered that the value in $FF99 was changed. The screen  
> is no longer in the HSCREEN2 mode.

I simply typed in the listing you supplied:

10 HSCREEN2: POKE&HFF99,5 : You can also use ,4 and ,6
20 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7
30 FOR M=0TO15:LPOKE &H60000+M,128: FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M
40 FOR M=0TO 3:LPOKE &H60010+M, 64: FOR T=0TO400: NEXT T,M
50 GOTO50

>
>> Line 30 says you are poking 128 into the first 16 pixels of the  
>> hires screen.
>
> Not so. The value POKEd into $FF99 (5) indicates that this is a  
> four color mode. The first 16 bytes were set but not the first 16  
> pixels.
>
>> Is T a counter?
>
> FOR T= is a time waster that delays the setting of the pixels so  
> you can watch what is happening.
>
>>  I though perhaps the program was grabbing 400 as the decimal  
>> number of pixels in the row, so I changed it to 319, but it did  
>> not change the display.  Line 40 says you are poking 64 into  
>> pixels 17-20, then executing the T loop again.
>
> Again not so. Line 40 sets data in the 17th - 20th bytes not pixels.
>
>> What has me puzzled now is that line 40 seems to be executing  
>> before line 30, in that pixels 0-3 turn black, then there are 16  
>> red ones, then another 4 black, etc.  After 16 black "dashes" are  
>> laid down in the top row,
> Line 40 can't run before line 30. I can't explain what you think  
> you are seeing.
>
> Here is the main point.
>
>> 4 light blue "dashes" get laid down in the second row  
>> SIMULTANEOUSLY with the last 4 dashes in the top row; the last 4  
>> dashes in the top row are also the same light blue instead of  
>> black.  That is where the second row at the left side comes in  
>> being generated.
>
> How can a loop which runs four times and sets one byte per pass  
> change eight bytes.
>
>> So I am seeing the program itself specify laying down 16 pixels of  
>> one color, followed by 4 pixels of a second color.
>
> Exactly.
>
>>  On screen, however, I see it lay down 4 pixels of one color  
>> followed by 16 of the second color, and possibly suffering some  
>> sort of line overflow before it gets to the end of the HSCREEN2 row.
>
> You are not looking at the program correctly. Each pass through the  
> loops put one byte of data on the screen. The number of pixels set  
> depends on the color mode. If the screen is 2-color then one pixel  
> has color A and 7 pixels have color B. 4-color is 1 vrs. 3. 16- 
> color is 1 vrs. 1.

I must not be looking at what is actually happening on a real CoCo3  
screen correctly, either.  I knew I was in over my head when I turned  
on the CoCo and actually typed in a BASIC program for the first time  
in over a decade. <G>

>
>> Maybe more commenting of the listing would help solve this??  What  
>> did you want it to do??
>
> I want the program to do exactly what it looks like, set one screen  
> byte per loop pass. The question is why is the second loop setting  
> two bytes per pass, one on each side of the screen.
>
> Note that this is not one of the approved Tandy HSCREEN modes for  
> the Coco3. These modes are twenty bytes wide and have either 2, 4,  
> or 16 colors depending on the value used for $FF99.
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  7 07:37:13 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:37:13 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <86FAA76B6EA949DCBADFB2712C38A4BB@master>
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Bob Devries wrote:
> I get a dark grey screen with 16 short dark blue lines set at intervals 
> (horizontally) after which there are 8 light blue lines set at the same 
> intervals, the last 4 of which are under the first 4 dark blue lines. 
> The spacing appears to be approximately twice the length of one of the 
> short lines.
> 
> This is of course on my PAL coco3 (1MB).
> 

That is what I see but why are we seeing that?! The light blue pixels 
are set by the second loop which runs just 4 times. Why are 8 bytes 
changed by this loop?!


For anyone who has not thought about how the GIME functions, this 
clearly is a hardware issue and not a program bug. The bug in the GIME 
on what should be a 20 byte wide screen indicate some really strange 
action within this chip. Any of the bytes after the first sixteen that 
are changed also change bytes on the left side of the screen.
The service manual table for I/O at %FF99 would seem to indicate that 
the function of the bits are

Bit 7    6    5    4     3     2     1     0
     -  LPF1 LPF2 HRES2 HRES1 HRES0 CRES1 CRES2

With a value of %00000101 you have HRES0 and CRES0 which should give 20 
bytes per horizontal row, 4 colors, and thus 4 bits per byte for an 80 
pixel wide screen.
Well that's just how the left 16 bytes of the screen behave. It is not 
how the right 4 bytes of the screen behave. If you adjust the number of 
times the loop in line 40 runs, you should convince yourself that the 
right side bytes are still 4-color. But each right side byte controls a 
byte on the left side of the screen that is 4 bytes away on a linearly 
mapped screen!

If something that should be impossible seems to happen, it probably is 
not happening. You just don't understand what you are seeing. The best 
guesses on how HRES# works is as follows

HRES#     Width in bytes
111         160
110         128
101          80
100          64
011          40
010          32
001          20
000          16

This works correctly for most of the values. But if it does not work for 
some, does that mean the entire table is wrong and these bits do not 
directly control the screen width? Is the table correct but the GIME 
crippled because Tandy did not want to pay for full functionality? Are 
some other functions hidden in the workings of HRES# that the 
programming team hid from Tandy management?


From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sun Jun  7 10:09:29 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:09:29 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2BA669.6070307@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net><86FAA76B6EA949DCBADFB2712C38A4BB@master>
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Seems to me that in order to fully understand what is going on, you have to
treat the mode as a "Black Box".  Ie, you give the "black Box" every
possible input, and record every possible output.  Then once you know what
is happening in the real world versus what the GIME documentation says
should happen you could start to construct a model of the "real" hardware
and compare that to the "ideal" hardware your GIME docs say you have.

I know you are asking people what they "see" when the program runs, but are
you mapping the actual screen memory values for those bytes/pixels as well?
There may be more going here than your eye can tell you.  If the GIME is
writing to unanticipated areas on the screen, it could be doing it elsewhere
as well, and not on the screen memory that you can see with your eyes.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:37 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved 
> HSCREEN mode?
> 
> Bob Devries wrote:
> > I get a dark grey screen with 16 short dark blue lines set at 
> > intervals
> > (horizontally) after which there are 8 light blue lines set at the 
> > same intervals, the last 4 of which are under the first 4 
> dark blue lines.
> > The spacing appears to be approximately twice the length of 
> one of the 
> > short lines.
> > 
> > This is of course on my PAL coco3 (1MB).
> > 
> 
> That is what I see but why are we seeing that?! The light 
> blue pixels are set by the second loop which runs just 4 
> times. Why are 8 bytes changed by this loop?!
> 
> 
> For anyone who has not thought about how the GIME functions, 
> this clearly is a hardware issue and not a program bug. The 
> bug in the GIME on what should be a 20 byte wide screen 
> indicate some really strange action within this chip. Any of 
> the bytes after the first sixteen that are changed also 
> change bytes on the left side of the screen.
> The service manual table for I/O at %FF99 would seem to 
> indicate that the function of the bits are
> 
> Bit 7    6    5    4     3     2     1     0
>      -  LPF1 LPF2 HRES2 HRES1 HRES0 CRES1 CRES2
> 
> With a value of %00000101 you have HRES0 and CRES0 which 
> should give 20 bytes per horizontal row, 4 colors, and thus 4 
> bits per byte for an 80 pixel wide screen.
> Well that's just how the left 16 bytes of the screen behave. 
> It is not how the right 4 bytes of the screen behave. If you 
> adjust the number of times the loop in line 40 runs, you 
> should convince yourself that the right side bytes are still 
> 4-color. But each right side byte controls a byte on the left 
> side of the screen that is 4 bytes away on a linearly mapped screen!
> 
> If something that should be impossible seems to happen, it 
> probably is not happening. You just don't understand what you 
> are seeing. The best guesses on how HRES# works is as follows
> 
> HRES#     Width in bytes
> 111         160
> 110         128
> 101          80
> 100          64
> 011          40
> 010          32
> 001          20
> 000          16
> 
> This works correctly for most of the values. But if it does 
> not work for some, does that mean the entire table is wrong 
> and these bits do not directly control the screen width? Is 
> the table correct but the GIME crippled because Tandy did not 
> want to pay for full functionality? Are some other functions 
> hidden in the workings of HRES# that the programming team hid 
> from Tandy management?
> 
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  7 10:58:19 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:58:19 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <158DD69D66924CEBAD1B8B676CC3E01F@Dell3Gig>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net><86FAA76B6EA949DCBADFB2712C38A4BB@master>	<4A2BA669.6070307@worldnet.att.net>
	<158DD69D66924CEBAD1B8B676CC3E01F@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <4A2BD58B.1030203@worldnet.att.net>

Paul Fitch wrote:
> Seems to me that in order to fully understand what is going on, you have to
> treat the mode as a "Black Box".  Ie, you give the "black Box" every
> possible input, and record every possible output.  Then once you know what
> is happening in the real world versus what the GIME documentation says
> should happen you could start to construct a model of the "real" hardware
> and compare that to the "ideal" hardware your GIME docs say you have.
> 
> I know you are asking people what they "see" when the program runs, but are
> you mapping the actual screen memory values for those bytes/pixels as well?
> There may be more going here than your eye can tell you.  If the GIME is
> writing to unanticipated areas on the screen, it could be doing it elsewhere
> as well, and not on the screen memory that you can see with your eyes.
> 

The control byte at $FF99 changes what the video circuitry shows in 
Coco3 mode. The MMU bytes control what part of memory you have actual 
access to for reading or making changes.
In light of this, care to modify what you said in your last paragraph? :)


From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sun Jun  7 11:21:30 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:21:30 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2BD58B.1030203@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net><86FAA76B6EA949DCBADFB2712C38A4BB@master>	<4A2BA669.6070307@worldnet.att.net><158DD69D66924CEBAD1B8B676CC3E01F@Dell3Gig>
	<4A2BD58B.1030203@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <E5FA2E27F5734E4E9AC30B37C6A43B67@Dell3Gig>

<snip>

> 
> The control byte at $FF99 changes what the video circuitry shows in
> Coco3 mode. The MMU bytes control what part of memory you 
> have actual access to for reading or making changes.
> In light of this, care to modify what you said in your last 
> paragraph? :)
> 

Not particularly<g>.  I'm not an expert, but I'll assume that the paragraph
above comes from the "official" documentation.  Yet you have evidence that
"undocumented" things are happening.  How do you reconcile the differences?
You can't until you fully understand whats happening.

You obviously have more experience with the coco's hardware and software
than I do.  But part of my day job is trouble shooting problems.  And I've
learned that you can't fix a problem, you can't even accurately explain it,
until you know everything that's going on.  

That program you wrote shouldn't do what it is doing.  Ie, we don't have the
full picture.    

> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 13:34:45 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:34:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: setting up default gateway ip address
Message-ID: <4A2BFA35.4000206@gmail.com>

Gang,
I am attempting to set up a stand alone server on my computer desk for 
learning purposes.
My goal at the moment is to have a backup server for my laptop. I also 
want to learn how to create user accounts using Active Directory and 
learn server maintenance in general.

The only computer hooked up to my server (at the moment) will be my 
laptop. Later, as I learn what I am doing (LOL) I will add more connections.

Please forgive my newbie questions but I a beginner at learning 
networking. I have used Google and done some searching, but I find the 
information out there to be very confusing.

1. Do I have to have a router or can I use a Ethernet Switch between my 
server and my laptop?

2. What IP addresses should I use for my server? I need to input a 
static IP address, subnet mask, default gateway, and preferred DNS 
server. I am using the Microsoft Training kit for Windows 2003 Server, 
so I want my stand alone server to be a domain controller and DNS server 
if possible.

3. I am using a wireless router for my internet connection for all of my 
computers in my home, but it is not necessary for my server to be 
connected to the internet.

My server equipment is the following:
Desktop Computer: Sempron CPU, 1 Gig RAM, 160 Gig hard drive, integrated 
LAN controller
Ethernet Switch:  5 ports

Thanks for the bandwidth!

O. Alan Jones

-- 
N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional



From badfrog at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 14:10:33 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 13:10:33 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: setting up default gateway ip address
In-Reply-To: <4A2BFA35.4000206@gmail.com>
References: <4A2BFA35.4000206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0906071110s4bd03703lf199e5d15994d967@mail.gmail.com>

Since in #3 you stated you already have a wireless router for your PCs
to get to the internet, all your questions can be answered at once.

Just put the server on the same subnet as the rest of your computers,
and use that same gateway and DNS information.  (This is assuming your
wireless router also has wired ports.)

When you install the DNS service on your server, you will want to use
your ISPs DNS
as a forwarder.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:34 PM, N8WQ<exwn8jef at gmail.com> wrote:
> Gang,
> I am attempting to set up a stand alone server on my computer desk for
> learning purposes.
> My goal at the moment is to have a backup server for my laptop. I also want
> to learn how to create user accounts using Active Directory and learn server
> maintenance in general.
>
> The only computer hooked up to my server (at the moment) will be my laptop.
> Later, as I learn what I am doing (LOL) I will add more connections.
>
> Please forgive my newbie questions but I a beginner at learning networking.
> I have used Google and done some searching, but I find the information out
> there to be very confusing.
>
> 1. Do I have to have a router or can I use a Ethernet Switch between my
> server and my laptop?
>
> 2. What IP addresses should I use for my server? I need to input a static IP
> address, subnet mask, default gateway, and preferred DNS server. I am using
> the Microsoft Training kit for Windows 2003 Server, so I want my stand alone
> server to be a domain controller and DNS server if possible.
>
> 3. I am using a wireless router for my internet connection for all of my
> computers in my home, but it is not necessary for my server to be connected
> to the internet.
>
> My server equipment is the following:
> Desktop Computer: Sempron CPU, 1 Gig RAM, 160 Gig hard drive, integrated LAN
> controller
> Ethernet Switch: ?5 ports
>
> Thanks for the bandwidth!
>
> O. Alan Jones
>
> --
> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
> CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  7 14:27:24 2009
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] OT: setting up default gateway ip address
Message-ID: <43192.41405.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- On Sun, 6/7/09, N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Coco] OT: setting up default gateway ip address
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 12:34 PM

> 1. Do I have to have a router or can I use a Ethernet
> Switch between my server and my laptop?

Not required... a hub would work, or even a crossover cable for your two PC network... If adding access to the internet, you'd need a router, or a second NIC and use your PC as a gateway.


> 2. What IP addresses should I use for my server? I need to
> input a static IP address, subnet mask, default gateway, and
> preferred DNS server. I am using the Microsoft Training kit
> for Windows 2003 Server, so I want my stand alone server to
> be a domain controller and DNS server if possible.

I'd keep it a private Network address, in your case, you can choose an address not included in you Router's IP address pool, I.E. 192.168.1.5 Just force the WinServer's address static, and turn off the DynamicIP functions of the router. Let your WinBox become the Dynamic IP Address controller. (Keep the router IP static too.)


> 3. I am using a wireless router for my internet connection
> for all of my computers in my home, but it is not necessary
> for my server to be connected to the internet.

Not a problem, see above... You may want to implement Wireless Security protocols, if not done already, and keep them active. With the Wireless Router, IIRC, you don't need to worry too much about setting up your PC as a gateway, just use the router like you have been doing.


> My server equipment is the following:
> Desktop Computer: Sempron CPU, 1 Gig RAM, 160 Gig hard
> drive, integrated LAN controller
> Ethernet Switch:? 5 ports

Should work OK, You've exceeded the minimums.

-Later!  ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting.



      


From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net  Sun Jun  7 16:16:20 2009
From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:16:20 -0700
Subject: [Coco] OT: setting up default gateway ip address
In-Reply-To: <4A2BFA35.4000206@gmail.com>
References: <4A2BFA35.4000206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2C2014.8020209@bjork-huffman.net>

Hi Alen,

Very quick reply.

Since you are using a Router as your switch (smart hub), let it handle 
the automatic configuration of the IP addresses (DHCP) for everything 
but the server.
It's the server that should have a fix (not dynamic) IP address.  Most 
Routers use 192.168.1.1 for them selfs and start assigning dynamic IP 
addresses at 50 or above.
You should be safe with 192.168.1.2 for your server's IP address.  
(Double check your router's user manual for IP address details.)

This setup is by far the easiest solution and will let you get up and 
without buying (or making) a special crossover cable.

It should be noted that your every day home router is one of the best 
firewalls you can have.  (99.99% of home routers have never been hacked!)

Steve

N8WQ wrote:
> Gang,
> I am attempting to set up a stand alone server on my computer desk for 
> learning purposes.
> My goal at the moment is to have a backup server for my laptop. I also 
> want to learn how to create user accounts using Active Directory and 
> learn server maintenance in general.
>
> The only computer hooked up to my server (at the moment) will be my 
> laptop. Later, as I learn what I am doing (LOL) I will add more 
> connections.
>
> Please forgive my newbie questions but I a beginner at learning 
> networking. I have used Google and done some searching, but I find the 
> information out there to be very confusing.
>
> 1. Do I have to have a router or can I use a Ethernet Switch between 
> my server and my laptop?
>
> 2. What IP addresses should I use for my server? I need to input a 
> static IP address, subnet mask, default gateway, and preferred DNS 
> server. I am using the Microsoft Training kit for Windows 2003 Server, 
> so I want my stand alone server to be a domain controller and DNS 
> server if possible.
>
> 3. I am using a wireless router for my internet connection for all of 
> my computers in my home, but it is not necessary for my server to be 
> connected to the internet.
>
> My server equipment is the following:
> Desktop Computer: Sempron CPU, 1 Gig RAM, 160 Gig hard drive, 
> integrated LAN controller
> Ethernet Switch:  5 ports
>
> Thanks for the bandwidth!
>
> O. Alan Jones
>



From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Sun Jun  7 18:14:17 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:14:17 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: setting up default gateway ip address
In-Reply-To: <4A2C2014.8020209@bjork-huffman.net>
References: <4A2BFA35.4000206@gmail.com> <4A2C2014.8020209@bjork-huffman.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c9e7bd$4d097370$e71c5a50$@com>

My Netgear router starts dynamic ip's at 192.168.1.2 and up.  I always
started static at x.x.x.100.  Also, you can tell your router the static ip
range and it won't assign them out.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Bjork
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:16 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: setting up default gateway ip address

Hi Alen,

Very quick reply.

Since you are using a Router as your switch (smart hub), let it handle 
the automatic configuration of the IP addresses (DHCP) for everything 
but the server.
It's the server that should have a fix (not dynamic) IP address.  Most 
Routers use 192.168.1.1 for them selfs and start assigning dynamic IP 
addresses at 50 or above.
You should be safe with 192.168.1.2 for your server's IP address.  
(Double check your router's user manual for IP address details.)

This setup is by far the easiest solution and will let you get up and 
without buying (or making) a special crossover cable.

It should be noted that your every day home router is one of the best 
firewalls you can have.  (99.99% of home routers have never been hacked!)

Steve

N8WQ wrote:
> Gang,
> I am attempting to set up a stand alone server on my computer desk for 
> learning purposes.
> My goal at the moment is to have a backup server for my laptop. I also 
> want to learn how to create user accounts using Active Directory and 
> learn server maintenance in general.
>
> The only computer hooked up to my server (at the moment) will be my 
> laptop. Later, as I learn what I am doing (LOL) I will add more 
> connections.
>
> Please forgive my newbie questions but I a beginner at learning 
> networking. I have used Google and done some searching, but I find the 
> information out there to be very confusing.
>
> 1. Do I have to have a router or can I use a Ethernet Switch between 
> my server and my laptop?
>
> 2. What IP addresses should I use for my server? I need to input a 
> static IP address, subnet mask, default gateway, and preferred DNS 
> server. I am using the Microsoft Training kit for Windows 2003 Server, 
> so I want my stand alone server to be a domain controller and DNS 
> server if possible.
>
> 3. I am using a wireless router for my internet connection for all of 
> my computers in my home, but it is not necessary for my server to be 
> connected to the internet.
>
> My server equipment is the following:
> Desktop Computer: Sempron CPU, 1 Gig RAM, 160 Gig hard drive, 
> integrated LAN controller
> Ethernet Switch:  5 ports
>
> Thanks for the bandwidth!
>
> O. Alan Jones
>


--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From jdaggett at gate.net  Sun Jun  7 19:28:40 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:28:40 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A2C14E8.24159.11D0AC3@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 3 Jun 2009 at 21:12, Robert Gault wrote:

> Anyone who has looked at the middle chart on page 18 of the Coco3
> service manual will have noticed that there are missing entries. I and
> other Coco enthusiasts have expanded this table to fill in the missing
> entries.
> 
> It seems to me that there are two alternating series of screen widths
> in bytes. Expanding on what is given by Tandy, the chart logically
> would be:
> 
> HRES2 HRES1 HRES0  Width in bytes
>   1     1     1         160
>   1     1     0         128
>   1     0     1          80
>   1     0     0          64
>   0     1     1          40
>   0     1     0          32
>   0     0     1          20
>   0     0     0          16
> 

This is true for BP = '1', HVEN = '0' , and COCO ='0' bits. That is the Coco3 
is in graphics mode and that the Horizontal Virtual screen is not set and we 
are not in the COCO compatible mode. 


> I've tested the new entries and not all work for all color
> resolutions. For example 160 bytes of 2 colors requires a screen 1280
> pixels wide which could be beyond the capabilities of the Coco3.
> 

Correct there are two modes that exceed the pixel per line maximum of 
640 pixels. In addition to what you mentioned there is 128 bytes per row 
and 2 colors will yield 1024 pixels. In either of the two cases 

It is hard to say with 100% certainty as to what will be displyed in there two 
modes.


> Here is a program in Basic that demonstrates something weird with the
> "new" 20byte width screen. I'd love to hear comments about what might
> be happening with the hardware that could cause what I, and hopefully
> you, see.
> 

Simple. The Coco3 video section reads video memory in so many bytes 
per row based on the settings of the HRES bits. Graphics mode differs from 
character mode with the setting of the HRES bits. In text mode HRES1 is 
ignored and essentially CRES0 bit along with HRES2 and HRES0 
determine the number of bytes per row that a screen will show. This again 
is also dependant on the setting of the COCO bit and the HVEN bit. In both 
graphics and text mode the HVEN will override any HRES settings to 256 
bytes per row. 

Setting the HVEN in text mode is useless and also causes funny things to 
happen as RSBASIC may be writing video data at a different bytes per row 
setting. The GIME chip has a lot of little things that needed clean up with a 
third pass that never was done. Some video resolution modes should have 
not been allowed in either graphics or text mode. 

james




From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  7 22:13:19 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:13:19 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <E5FA2E27F5734E4E9AC30B37C6A43B67@Dell3Gig>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<1b52e6c80906040135w47aa7845wf1f8945ec82ccb5a@mail.gmail.com><4A27AD4C.9090509@worldnet.att.net>	<4A2A434C.2050209@worldnet.att.net><86FAA76B6EA949DCBADFB2712C38A4BB@master>	<4A2BA669.6070307@worldnet.att.net><158DD69D66924CEBAD1B8B676CC3E01F@Dell3Gig>	<4A2BD58B.1030203@worldnet.att.net>
	<E5FA2E27F5734E4E9AC30B37C6A43B67@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <4A2C73BF.5060200@worldnet.att.net>

Paul Fitch wrote:
> <snip>
> 
>> The control byte at $FF99 changes what the video circuitry shows in
>> Coco3 mode. The MMU bytes control what part of memory you 
>> have actual access to for reading or making changes.
>> In light of this, care to modify what you said in your last 
>> paragraph? :)
>>
> 
> Not particularly<g>.  I'm not an expert, but I'll assume that the paragraph
> above comes from the "official" documentation.  Yet you have evidence that
> "undocumented" things are happening.  How do you reconcile the differences?
> You can't until you fully understand whats happening.
> 
> You obviously have more experience with the coco's hardware and software
> than I do.  But part of my day job is trouble shooting problems.  And I've
> learned that you can't fix a problem, you can't even accurately explain it,
> until you know everything that's going on.  
> 
> That program you wrote shouldn't do what it is doing.  Ie, we don't have the
> full picture.    
> 

I completely agree with that last comment. :) The program elicits some 
very strange and seemingly impossible behavior from the Coco3.

Personally, I've no idea what could cause this short of a poorly 
designed GIME.


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  7 22:19:27 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:19:27 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2C14E8.24159.11D0AC3@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2C14E8.24159.11D0AC3@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A2C752F.6020205@worldnet.att.net>

jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> On 3 Jun 2009 at 21:12, Robert Gault wrote:
> 
>> Anyone who has looked at the middle chart on page 18 of the Coco3
>> service manual will have noticed that there are missing entries. I and
>> other Coco enthusiasts have expanded this table to fill in the missing
>> entries.
>>
>> It seems to me that there are two alternating series of screen widths
>> in bytes. Expanding on what is given by Tandy, the chart logically
>> would be:
>>
>> HRES2 HRES1 HRES0  Width in bytes
>>   1     1     1         160
>>   1     1     0         128
>>   1     0     1          80
>>   1     0     0          64
>>   0     1     1          40
>>   0     1     0          32
>>   0     0     1          20
>>   0     0     0          16
>>
> 
> This is true for BP = '1', HVEN = '0' , and COCO ='0' bits. That is the Coco3 
> is in graphics mode and that the Horizontal Virtual screen is not set and we 
> are not in the COCO compatible mode. 
> 
> 
>> I've tested the new entries and not all work for all color
>> resolutions. For example 160 bytes of 2 colors requires a screen 1280
>> pixels wide which could be beyond the capabilities of the Coco3.
>>
> 
> Correct there are two modes that exceed the pixel per line maximum of 
> 640 pixels. In addition to what you mentioned there is 128 bytes per row 
> and 2 colors will yield 1024 pixels. In either of the two cases 
> 
> It is hard to say with 100% certainty as to what will be displyed in there two 
> modes.
> 
> 
>> Here is a program in Basic that demonstrates something weird with the
>> "new" 20byte width screen. I'd love to hear comments about what might
>> be happening with the hardware that could cause what I, and hopefully
>> you, see.
>>
> 
> Simple. The Coco3 video section reads video memory in so many bytes 
> per row based on the settings of the HRES bits. Graphics mode differs from 
> character mode with the setting of the HRES bits. In text mode HRES1 is 
> ignored and essentially CRES0 bit along with HRES2 and HRES0 
> determine the number of bytes per row that a screen will show. This again 
> is also dependant on the setting of the COCO bit and the HVEN bit. In both 
> graphics and text mode the HVEN will override any HRES settings to 256 
> bytes per row. 
> 
> Setting the HVEN in text mode is useless and also causes funny things to 
> happen as RSBASIC may be writing video data at a different bytes per row 
> setting. The GIME chip has a lot of little things that needed clean up with a 
> third pass that never was done. Some video resolution modes should have 
> not been allowed in either graphics or text mode. 
> 
> james
> 

So, ignoring the comments that don't apply to the program in question, 
you are saying there are bugs in the GIME design?

Do you think that in Coco3 graphics mode an HRES=000 is 20 bytes wide or 
just too buggy to be anything?


From jdaggett at gate.net  Sun Jun  7 23:12:05 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:12:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2C752F.6020205@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2C14E8.24159.11D0AC3@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A2C752F.6020205@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A2C4945.299.1E995EC@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 7 Jun 2009 at 22:19, Robert Gault wrote:

> jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> > On 3 Jun 2009 at 21:12, Robert Gault wrote:
> > 
> >> Anyone who has looked at the middle chart on page 18 of the Coco3
> >> service manual will have noticed that there are missing entries. I
> >> and other Coco enthusiasts have expanded this table to fill in the
> >> missing entries.
> >>
> >> It seems to me that there are two alternating series of screen
> >> widths in bytes. Expanding on what is given by Tandy, the chart
> >> logically would be:
> >>
> >> HRES2 HRES1 HRES0  Width in bytes
> >>   1     1     1         160
> >>   1     1     0         128
> >>   1     0     1          80
> >>   1     0     0          64
> >>   0     1     1          40
> >>   0     1     0          32
> >>   0     0     1          20
> >>   0     0     0          16
> >>
> > 
> > This is true for BP = '1', HVEN = '0' , and COCO ='0' bits. That is
> > the Coco3 is in graphics mode and that the Horizontal Virtual screen
> > is not set and we are not in the COCO compatible mode. 
> > 
> > 
> >> I've tested the new entries and not all work for all color
> >> resolutions. For example 160 bytes of 2 colors requires a screen
> >> 1280 pixels wide which could be beyond the capabilities of the
> >> Coco3.
> >>
> > 
> > Correct there are two modes that exceed the pixel per line maximum
> > of 640 pixels. In addition to what you mentioned there is 128 bytes
> > per row and 2 colors will yield 1024 pixels. In either of the two
> > cases 
> > 
> > It is hard to say with 100% certainty as to what will be displyed in
> > there two modes.
> > 
> > 
> >> Here is a program in Basic that demonstrates something weird with
> >> the "new" 20byte width screen. I'd love to hear comments about what
> >> might be happening with the hardware that could cause what I, and
> >> hopefully you, see.
> >>
> > 
> > Simple. The Coco3 video section reads video memory in so many bytes
> > per row based on the settings of the HRES bits. Graphics mode
> > differs from character mode with the setting of the HRES bits. In
> > text mode HRES1 is ignored and essentially CRES0 bit along with
> > HRES2 and HRES0 determine the number of bytes per row that a screen
> > will show. This again is also dependant on the setting of the COCO
> > bit and the HVEN bit. In both graphics and text mode the HVEN will
> > override any HRES settings to 256 bytes per row. 
> > 
> > Setting the HVEN in text mode is useless and also causes funny
> > things to happen as RSBASIC may be writing video data at a different
> > bytes per row setting. The GIME chip has a lot of little things that
> > needed clean up with a third pass that never was done. Some video
> > resolution modes should have not been allowed in either graphics or
> > text mode. 
> > 
> > james
> > 
> 
> So, ignoring the comments that don't apply to the program in question,
> you are saying there are bugs in the GIME design?
> 

Yes and No. For the most part the GIME chip does what it is supposed to 
do. What seems to be an issue is the designers allowed the chip to be put 
into modes that have not real use or definition. Not exactly a good thing to 
do. 

> Do you think that in Coco3 graphics mode an HRES=000 is 20 bytes wide
> or just too buggy to be anything?
> 

I can see where a 20byte wide window could be used. From all that I have 
read, the HRES bits determine the bytes per row and thus the displayable 
window. 

SOme of the issues you bring up are some things I have encountered in my 
GIME chip FPGA design. That is why I jumped into this. A 20 byte per row 
window in the current context of the COCO3 is meaningless. Yet in a 
windowing system much like a modern PC, a 20 byte per row window 
makes a nice popup widow for some data. It seems to be that this chip has 
some hooks built in that a future chip would have built on for more 
functions. I am only guessing but it seems logical. 

I also believe the RSBASIC may not fully take advantage of the capabilities 
of the chip. So in that aspect they are not bugs. It is just that DECB can not 
take full advantages of the chip.  

By the way my work so far has progressed better than I had thought. One 
of the more difficult items I have ran across is decoding and making sense 
of the HRES bits. I am now convinced that I can do a base desktop of 
800x600 with a single color background. On that desktop will be a window 
that its size is controlled by the HRES bits. Yes I plan to actually have a 
window the size of 20 bytes wide. That would be 20 characters with no 
attributes in text mode and 10 characters wide with attributes. That part is 
nearly coded. 

I better understand how the GIME chip aceesses memory now. I have 
come to the realization that it is bytes per row and not pixels per row that 
drives the video address generator to do the video reads. This changes 
how I will code the SRAM interface and when I read. The only problem may 
come when the window is put into 640 pixel wide 256 color mode. That 
ends up being 640 bytes per row. In that mode one will almost surely need 
a 2Meg system. 

james


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun  7 23:20:25 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2C752F.6020205@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>	<4A2C14E8.24159.11D0AC3@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<4A2C752F.6020205@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A2C8379.8090606@worldnet.att.net>

Robert Gault wrote:

> So, ignoring the comments that don't apply to the program in question, 
> you are saying there are bugs in the GIME design?
> 
> Do you think that in Coco3 graphics mode an HRES=000 is 20 bytes wide or 
> just too buggy to be anything?
> 

Sorry that should have been HRES=001 is 20 bytes per row.


From petrander at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 08:10:27 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:10:27 +0200
Subject: [Coco] CoCo day?
Message-ID: <dcc956220906080510x3fd68f13x3186c293ba333193@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

So today it is 6-8-09. Maybe we should have a CoCo day each year on this
date? (or two; the next one being august the 6th)

Cheers,
Fedor


From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Jun  8 11:02:41 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2C8379.8090606@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2C752F.6020205@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2C8379.8090606@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A2CEFD1.19602.40F47A@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 7 Jun 2009 at 23:20, Robert Gault wrote:

> Robert Gault wrote:
> 
> > So, ignoring the comments that don't apply to the program in
> > question, you are saying there are bugs in the GIME design?
> > 
> > Do you think that in Coco3 graphics mode an HRES=000 is 20 bytes
> > wide or just too buggy to be anything?
> > 
> 
> Sorry that should have been HRES=001 is 20 bytes per row.
> 


And HRES 000 yields 16 bytes per row. 

WHile the register will hold the encoded bits, the actual decoder for the 
horizontal resolution bits may not fully be implemented. Having the register 
bits is small real estate on the die. The actual decode and implementation 
takes more area and thus cost. 

The simplest usage of the HRES bits is to feed them into a 3 of 8 decoder 
and then use those as an address lines to ROM that is 8 by 10 bits wide in 
size.  The output of the ROM then feeds a comparator that takes the row 
bytes per row counter output as the other input. When the two are equal 
then the vertical line counter is incremented and the row counter reset. So 
what ever gets programmed into the small ROM is what is displayed. 

james


From hyperfrog at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:52:06 2009
From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo day?
In-Reply-To: <dcc956220906080510x3fd68f13x3186c293ba333193@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dcc956220906080510x3fd68f13x3186c293ba333193@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2D41B6.2020606@gmail.com>

Fedor Steeman wrote:
> So today it is 6-8-09. Maybe we should have a CoCo day each year on this
> date? (or two; the next one being august the 6th)
>   
Sure, but next time will be in 100 years, and we'll all dwell six feet 
under...






From mdelyea at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 13:00:59 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:00:59 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo day?
In-Reply-To: <4A2D41B6.2020606@gmail.com>
References: <dcc956220906080510x3fd68f13x3186c293ba333193@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2D41B6.2020606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80906081000i4331dbb4pc875f73c65ad1df9@mail.gmail.com>

To celebrate CoCo Day I pulled my CoCo out of storage and am going to
play donkey Kong

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Christian Lesage<hyperfrog at gmail.com> wrote:
> Fedor Steeman wrote:
>>
>> So today it is 6-8-09. Maybe we should have a CoCo day each year on this
>> date? (or two; the next one being august the 6th)
>>
>
> Sure, but next time will be in 100 years, and we'll all dwell six feet
> under...
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Jun  8 15:20:26 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:20:26 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo day?
In-Reply-To: <4A2D41B6.2020606@gmail.com>
References: <dcc956220906080510x3fd68f13x3186c293ba333193@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A2D41B6.2020606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2D2C3A.8950.2D111@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 8 Jun 2009 at 12:52, Christian Lesage wrote:

> Fedor Steeman wrote:
> > So today it is 6-8-09. Maybe we should have a CoCo day each year on
> > this date? (or two; the next one being august the 6th)
> >   
> Sure, but next time will be in 100 years, and we'll all dwell six feet
> under...
> 
> 
 I work for a funeral home and at best now these days it is 4 feet under 5 at 
best. With concrete vaults they do not have to dig as deep. :)

james


From hyperfrog at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 15:30:55 2009
From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:30:55 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo day?
In-Reply-To: <4A2D2C3A.8950.2D111@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <dcc956220906080510x3fd68f13x3186c293ba333193@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A2D41B6.2020606@gmail.com>
	<4A2D2C3A.8950.2D111@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A2D66EF.6020103@gmail.com>

jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> On 8 Jun 2009 at 12:52, Christian Lesage wrote:
>
>   
>> Fedor Steeman wrote:
>>     
>>> So today it is 6-8-09. Maybe we should have a CoCo day each year on
>>> this date? (or two; the next one being august the 6th)
>>>   
>>>       
>> Sure, but next time will be in 100 years, and we'll all dwell six feet
>> under...
>>
>>
>>     
>  I work for a funeral home and at best now these days it is 4 feet under 5 at 
> best. With concrete vaults they do not have to dig as deep. :)
>
>   

I wish they could bury me with my CoCo system so I could play Gobbler or 
Donkey King for all eternity.


From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 16:05:23 2009
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:05:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo day?
Message-ID: <426450.10668.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




--- On Mon, 6/8/09, jdaggett at gate.net <jdaggett at gate.net> wrote:

> From: jdaggett at gate.net <jdaggett at gate.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo day?
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:20 PM
> On 8 Jun 2009 at 12:52, Christian
> Lesage wrote:
> 
> > Fedor Steeman wrote:
> > > So today it is 6-8-09. Maybe we should have a
> CoCo day each year on
> > > this date? (or two; the next one being august the
> 6th)
> > >   
> > Sure, but next time will be in 100 years, and we'll
> all dwell six feet
> > under...
> > 
> > 
>  I work for a funeral home and at best now these days it is
> 4 feet under 5 at 
> best. With concrete vaults they do not have to dig as deep.
> :)
> 

I recommend at least 8 inches, not counting leaves and twigs.



      


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jun  8 16:15:20 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:15:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2CEFD1.19602.40F47A@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2C752F.6020205@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2C8379.8090606@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2CEFD1.19602.40F47A@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A2D7158.2070409@worldnet.att.net>

jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> On 7 Jun 2009 at 23:20, Robert Gault wrote:
> 
>> Robert Gault wrote:
>>
>>> So, ignoring the comments that don't apply to the program in
>>> question, you are saying there are bugs in the GIME design?
>>>
>>> Do you think that in Coco3 graphics mode an HRES=000 is 20 bytes
>>> wide or just too buggy to be anything?
>>>
>> Sorry that should have been HRES=001 is 20 bytes per row.
>>
> 
> 
> And HRES 000 yields 16 bytes per row. 
> 
> WHile the register will hold the encoded bits, the actual decoder for the 
> horizontal resolution bits may not fully be implemented. Having the register 
> bits is small real estate on the die. The actual decode and implementation 
> takes more area and thus cost. 
> 
> The simplest usage of the HRES bits is to feed them into a 3 of 8 decoder 
> and then use those as an address lines to ROM that is 8 by 10 bits wide in 
> size.  The output of the ROM then feeds a comparator that takes the row 
> bytes per row counter output as the other input. When the two are equal 
> then the vertical line counter is incremented and the row counter reset. So 
> what ever gets programmed into the small ROM is what is displayed. 
> 
> james
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 

What I've been able to see with an actual Coco3 in Coco3 mode ($FF90), 
graphics mode ($FF98), and $FF99=5 (20-byte width, 4-color) follows.

The screen is a true graphics screen only for the middle 5-15 bytes of 
each horizontal line. Bytes 0-4 are unique in that they only have an 
effect on themselves. Bytes N*(16-19) - where N>0 - effect themselves 
and the next group of bytes at N*(20-24).
The screen is not usable in any practical sense as pixels are not round 
but look like short lines. If there is any interest to be found here, it 
is a hint into the workings, or lack of, inside the GIME.


From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Jun  8 16:32:42 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:32:42 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo day?
In-Reply-To: <4A2D66EF.6020103@gmail.com>
References: <dcc956220906080510x3fd68f13x3186c293ba333193@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A2D2C3A.8950.2D111@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A2D66EF.6020103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2D3D2A.2801.44FBAB@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 8 Jun 2009 at 15:30, Christian Lesage wrote:

> jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> > On 8 Jun 2009 at 12:52, Christian Lesage wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Fedor Steeman wrote:
> >>     
> >>> So today it is 6-8-09. Maybe we should have a CoCo day each year
> >>> on this date? (or two; the next one being august the 6th)
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> Sure, but next time will be in 100 years, and we'll all dwell six
> >> feet under...
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >  I work for a funeral home and at best now these days it is 4 feet
> >  under 5 at 
> > best. With concrete vaults they do not have to dig as deep. :)
> >
> >   
> 
> I wish they could bury me with my CoCo system so I could play Gobbler
> or Donkey King for all eternity.
> 

Here in the US if it will fit into the casket it will get buried. I have seen all 
kinds of stuff placed in a casket. 

james




From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Jun  8 16:35:42 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:35:42 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2D7158.2070409@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2CEFD1.19602.40F47A@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A2D7158.2070409@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A2D3DDE.28891.47BD4B@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 8 Jun 2009 at 16:15, Robert Gault wrote:

> jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> > On 7 Jun 2009 at 23:20, Robert Gault wrote:
> > 
> >> Robert Gault wrote:
> >>
> >>> So, ignoring the comments that don't apply to the program in
> >>> question, you are saying there are bugs in the GIME design?
> >>>
> >>> Do you think that in Coco3 graphics mode an HRES=000 is 20 bytes
> >>> wide or just too buggy to be anything?
> >>>
> >> Sorry that should have been HRES=001 is 20 bytes per row.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > And HRES 000 yields 16 bytes per row. 
> > 
> > WHile the register will hold the encoded bits, the actual decoder
> > for the horizontal resolution bits may not fully be implemented.
> > Having the register bits is small real estate on the die. The actual
> > decode and implementation takes more area and thus cost. 
> > 
> > The simplest usage of the HRES bits is to feed them into a 3 of 8
> > decoder and then use those as an address lines to ROM that is 8 by
> > 10 bits wide in size.  The output of the ROM then feeds a comparator
> > that takes the row bytes per row counter output as the other input.
> > When the two are equal then the vertical line counter is incremented
> > and the row counter reset. So what ever gets programmed into the
> > small ROM is what is displayed. 
> > 
> > james
> > 
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> > 
> 
> What I've been able to see with an actual Coco3 in Coco3 mode ($FF90),
> graphics mode ($FF98), and $FF99=5 (20-byte width, 4-color) follows.
> 
> The screen is a true graphics screen only for the middle 5-15 bytes of
> each horizontal line. Bytes 0-4 are unique in that they only have an
> effect on themselves. Bytes N*(16-19) - where N>0 - effect themselves
> and the next group of bytes at N*(20-24). The screen is not usable in
> any practical sense as pixels are not round but look like short lines.
> If there is any interest to be found here, it is a hint into the
> workings, or lack of, inside the GIME.
> 

Robert

That is interesting find. Yes there are settings that become meaningless. I 
do agree that they should have not been implemented if it is not going to be 
supported or of use. 

james



From hyperfrog at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 18:23:14 2009
From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:23:14 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo day?
In-Reply-To: <4A2D3D2A.2801.44FBAB@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <dcc956220906080510x3fd68f13x3186c293ba333193@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A2D2C3A.8950.2D111@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A2D66EF.6020103@gmail.com> <4A2D3D2A.2801.44FBAB@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A2D8F52.3080403@gmail.com>


>>>  I work for a funeral home and at best now these days it is 4 feet
>>>  under 5 at 
>>> best. With concrete vaults they do not have to dig as deep. :)
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> I wish they could bury me with my CoCo system so I could play Gobbler
>> or Donkey King for all eternity.
>>
>>     
>
> Here in the US if it will fit into the casket it will get buried. I have seen all 
> kinds of stuff placed in a casket. 
>   

Anything worth mentioning? In don't believe in an afterlife, but object 
burial could serve other purposes, like providing future archaeologists 
with well-preserved artifacts. Imagine the surprise of an archaeologist 
excavating a Color Computer 3 in one thousand years.



From os9dude at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 10:12:36 2009
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:12:36 -0400
Subject: [Coco] And now from CBS Software...
Message-ID: <5631e580906090712q5149a4a5s36532e4e2e35a916@mail.gmail.com>

Found it amusing to see that the Atari had a game published by CBS
Software named "Coco Notes". Some screen shots ->
http://gury.atari8.info/details_games/957.htm

>From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dovetail_Group):
-\
In Coco-Notes (also published by CBS Software), the player is stranded
on Coco-Note Isle where he must fish for musical notes in the form of
coconuts and tunes in the form of fish. The player may then use these
notes and tunes to create melodies in a free form manner. The game
also features a quiz minigame where The Jazz Scats (a group of
castaway hipsters) perform the first half of a jazz song and the
player must then complete the song before Mr. Cool Clam (a square
note-eating clam) eats the song.




-=[ Rogelio ]=-


From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  9 11:37:25 2009
From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 08:37:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Trade
In-Reply-To: <h09bdj+b65g@eGroups.com>
References: <h09bdj+b65g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <853492.39970.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have an old mac G3 laptop that needs a little work, but it boots up and you can use it. We can trade if you like.

_______________________________
From: vacuumboy1 <vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com>

Hi all! I was wondering if anyone would like to trade an exellent condition COCO III for an MC-10 computer? Does it even hook up to a TV? Please reply back if you would like to trade me for one.


From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  9 15:44:32 2009
From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:44:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Trade
Message-ID: <108116.34723.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

No can do. I need a TANDY 100...


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Tue Jun  9 21:44:22 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:44:22 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2D3DDE.28891.47BD4B@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2CEFD1.19602.40F47A@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A2D7158.2070409@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2D3DDE.28891.47BD4B@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A2F0FF6.4060706@worldnet.att.net>

jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
><snip>
> 
> Robert
> 
> That is interesting find. Yes there are settings that become meaningless. I 
> do agree that they should have not been implemented if it is not going to be 
> supported or of use. 
> 
> james
> 
> 

Here are two other modes that don't behave as expected. They are the 
160-byte and 128-byte 2 color modes. The hardware can't be expected to 
scan fast enough to yield 1280 or 1024 pixels and it is not clear 
exactly what it is doing.

The following program will demonstrate that these modes are one "pixel" 
per byte. Unfortunately that does not mean 256 colors. :) There is only 
one active bit determining the palette register, bit-7. If bit-7 is not 
set, the color is palette #0. If it is set the color is palette #1.

It might be more accurate to say that the pixel is not round but 8 by 1. 
Or put another way, all 8 pixels in a bytes are either color #0 or color #1.

1  W=160:WW=28:              REM Or use W=128:WW=24
10 M=&H60000:PX=2^7          REM Use any other power of 2 as a test.
20 HSCREEN2:POKE&HFF99,WW
30 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7
40 FOR I=0TO W-1:LPOKE M+I,PX:M=M+W:NEXTI
50 GOTO 50

This may or may not add to our knowledge of the GIME circuitry. Who 
knows, if we completely characterize the unauthorized modes, we might 
find something exciting. :)


From jdaggett at gate.net  Tue Jun  9 22:43:45 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:43:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2F0FF6.4060706@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2D3DDE.28891.47BD4B@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A2F0FF6.4060706@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A2EE5A1.20226.509507@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 9 Jun 2009 at 21:44, Robert Gault wrote:

> jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> ><snip>
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > That is interesting find. Yes there are settings that become
> > meaningless. I do agree that they should have not been implemented
> > if it is not going to be supported or of use. 
> > 
> > james
> > 
> > 
> 
> Here are two other modes that don't behave as expected. They are the
> 160-byte and 128-byte 2 color modes. The hardware can't be expected to
> scan fast enough to yield 1280 or 1024 pixels and it is not clear
> exactly what it is doing.
> 
> The following program will demonstrate that these modes are one
> "pixel" per byte. Unfortunately that does not mean 256 colors. :)
> There is only one active bit determining the palette register, bit-7.
> If bit-7 is not set, the color is palette #0. If it is set the color
> is palette #1.
> 
> It might be more accurate to say that the pixel is not round but 8 by
> 1. Or put another way, all 8 pixels in a bytes are either color #0 or
> color #1.
> 
> 1  W=160:WW=28:              REM Or use W=128:WW=24
> 10 M=&H60000:PX=2^7          REM Use any other power of 2 as a test.
> 20 HSCREEN2:POKE&HFF99,WW 30 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7 40 FOR I=0TO
> W-1:LPOKE M+I,PX:M=M+W:NEXTI 50 GOTO 50
> 
> This may or may not add to our knowledge of the GIME circuitry. Who
> knows, if we completely characterize the unauthorized modes, we might
> find something exciting. :)
> 

Robert 

keep going. The best way to understand how the internals of a black box 
works is by tickling its inputs and looking at what the outputs do. I starting 
to digest what you have here. This is a first beginning to try and decipher 
the internal workings a bit more. 

james



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jun 10 09:04:20 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:04:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] System will be down for next several hours
Message-ID: <003b01c9e9cb$f88d9130$e9a8b390$@rr.com>

I've noticed that I still have some who are downloading the Coco archives I
have posted on my server. If there is anyone who has plans to continue
downloading, please note that my server will be up and down (mostly down)
for most of today. I'm moving everything over to another server.

Thanks.

______________________________________
*Square One Christian BBS
Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com





From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jun 10 09:35:51 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:35:51 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
Message-ID: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>

I want to (eventually) migrate my server over to a Linux box. I've been
looking at DriveWire for Linux, but honestly, I'm not at the point that I
can do compiling yet. I know I've been told to work harder at it and learn
more, and that's ahead. Right now, I'd like to know if someone can give me a
hand with getting DriveWire/Linux compiled and working. I've read several
vague tutorials about compiling, but they just don't seem clear to me.

Thanks.

______________________________________
*Square One Christian BBS
Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com





From linville at tuxdriver.com  Wed Jun 10 11:05:48 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:05:48 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:35:51AM -0400, Bill wrote:
> I want to (eventually) migrate my server over to a Linux box. I've been
> looking at DriveWire for Linux, but honestly, I'm not at the point that I
> can do compiling yet. I know I've been told to work harder at it and learn
> more, and that's ahead. Right now, I'd like to know if someone can give me a
> hand with getting DriveWire/Linux compiled and working. I've read several
> vague tutorials about compiling, but they just don't seem clear to me.

There doesn't seem to be a lot to it...

	cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver login

	cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver co -P drivewireserver

	cd drivewireserver/linux/build

	make

	./drivewireserver

Hth!

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 10 11:35:22 2009
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:35:22 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <3A08FD9D-CB50-46B7-BAE4-FAB4A7777AB0@earthlink.net>

Nice sig, John.  If that is an original, (_I'VE_ not seen it before),  
I would put some sort of notice there, e.g., "(C) John W. Linville,  
2009" so that in the event Microsoft tries to copyright it, you at  
least will have a fighting chance to continue using it %^D.

To me, that is the only practical use for copyright - self defense.   
Otherwise, I would recommend attributing, also for self defense.

On Jun 10, 2009, at Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 11:05 AM, John W.  
Linville wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:35:51AM -0400, Bill wrote:
>> I want to (eventually) migrate my server over to a Linux box. I've  
>> been

>>
> -- 
> John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
> linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.
>

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From linville at tuxdriver.com  Wed Jun 10 12:45:03 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:45:03 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <3A08FD9D-CB50-46B7-BAE4-FAB4A7777AB0@earthlink.net>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
	<3A08FD9D-CB50-46B7-BAE4-FAB4A7777AB0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20090610164502.GB3892@tuxdriver.com>

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:35:22AM -0400, James Hrubik wrote:
> Nice sig, John.  If that is an original, (_I'VE_ not seen it before), I 
> would put some sort of notice there, e.g., "(C) John W. Linville, 2009" 
> so that in the event Microsoft tries to copyright it, you at least will 
> have a fighting chance to continue using it %^D.
>
> To me, that is the only practical use for copyright - self defense.   
> Otherwise, I would recommend attributing, also for self defense.

Ah, thanks!  AFAIK, it's mine...

I have enough public posts with it that I'll take my chances against
Microsoft!

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From t.fadden at cox.net  Wed Jun 10 18:17:02 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:17:02 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <4A3030DE.9030501@cox.net>

John W. Linville wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:35:51AM -0400, Bill wrote:
>   
>> I want to (eventually) migrate my server over to a Linux box. I've been
>> looking at DriveWire for Linux, but honestly, I'm not at the point that I
>> can do compiling yet. I know I've been told to work harder at it and learn
>> more, and that's ahead. Right now, I'd like to know if someone can give me a
>> hand with getting DriveWire/Linux compiled and working. I've read several
>> vague tutorials about compiling, but they just don't seem clear to me.
>>     
>
> There doesn't seem to be a lot to it...
>
> 	cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver login
>
> 	cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver co -P drivewireserver
>
> 	cd drivewireserver/linux/build
>
> 	make
>
> 	./drivewireserver
>
> Hth!
>
> John
>   

Sure, Easy till he gets something like this:

[tfadden at localhost ~]$ su -
Password:
[root at localhost ~]# cvs 
-d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver 
login
Logging in to 
:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/drivewireserver 

CVS password:
[root at localhost ~]# cvs -z3 
-d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver 
co -P drivewireserver
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/linux
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/linux/build
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/linux/source
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/DriveWire MacServer.xcodeproj
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj/DriveWire 
MacServer Help
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj/DriveWire 
MacServer Help/gfx
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj/DriveWire 
MacServer Help/pgs
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj/DriveWire 
MacServer Help/sty
cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/windows_delphi
[root at localhost ~]# cd drivewireserver/linux/build
[root at localhost build]# make
cc -g -DLINUX -c -o drivewire.o ../source/drivewire.c
../source/drivewire.c:18:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory
../source/drivewire.c:98: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
../source/drivewire.c:99: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
../source/drivewire.c:132: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or 
?__attribute__? before ?*? token
../source/drivewire.c: In function ?main?:
../source/drivewire.c:270: error: ?window0? undeclared (first use in 
this function)
../source/drivewire.c:270: error: (Each undeclared identifier is 
reported only once
../source/drivewire.c:270: error: for each function it appears in.)
../source/drivewire.c: In function ?CoCoProcessor?:
../source/drivewire.c:424: error: ?window0? undeclared (first use in 
this function)
../source/drivewire.c: In function ?WinInit?:
../source/drivewire.c:1036: error: ?window0? undeclared (first use in 
this function)
../source/drivewire.c:1044: error: ?A_STANDOUT? undeclared (first use in 
this function)
../source/drivewire.c: At top level:
../source/drivewire.c:1053: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
../source/drivewire.c:1110: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
make: *** [drivewire.o] Error 1
[root at localhost build]#



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 18:43:37 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:43:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <4A3030DE.9030501@cox.net>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com> <4A3030DE.9030501@cox.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906101841550.6338@duo>

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Tim Fadden wrote:

> Sure, Easy till he gets something like this:
>
> [tfadden at localhost ~]$ su -
> Password:
> [root at localhost ~]# cvs 
> -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver 
> login
> Logging in to 
> :pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/drivewireserver 
> CVS password:
> [root at localhost ~]# cvs -z3 
> -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver 
> co -P drivewireserver
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/linux
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/linux/build
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/linux/source
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/DriveWire MacServer.xcodeproj
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj/DriveWire 
> MacServer Help
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj/DriveWire 
> MacServer Help/gfx
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj/DriveWire 
> MacServer Help/pgs
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/macosx/English.lproj/DriveWire 
> MacServer Help/sty
> cvs checkout: Updating drivewireserver/windows_delphi
> [root at localhost ~]# cd drivewireserver/linux/build
> [root at localhost build]# make
> cc -g -DLINUX -c -o drivewire.o ../source/drivewire.c
> ../source/drivewire.c:18:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory


Fair enough.  Raw builds from tarballs and/or CVS checkout rarely assert 
that you have the correct packages to support the build.  On Ubuntu:

$ sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev

should do the trick.

Steve


-- 


From linville at tuxdriver.com  Wed Jun 10 19:12:36 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:12:36 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906101841550.6338@duo>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com> <4A3030DE.9030501@cox.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0906101841550.6338@duo>
Message-ID: <20090610231236.GA7798@tuxdriver.com>

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 06:43:37PM -0400, Steven Hirsch wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Tim Fadden wrote:
>
>> Sure, Easy till he gets something like this:

>> cc -g -DLINUX -c -o drivewire.o ../source/drivewire.c
>> ../source/drivewire.c:18:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory
>
>
> Fair enough.  Raw builds from tarballs and/or CVS checkout rarely assert  
> that you have the correct packages to support the build.  On Ubuntu:
>
> $ sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
>
> should do the trick.

Similarly, for a Fedora installation:

	sudo yum install ncurses-devel

Hth!

John

P.S.  If there is interest, I could produce a Fedora package for this...?
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From t.fadden at cox.net  Wed Jun 10 19:36:17 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:36:17 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <20090610231236.GA7798@tuxdriver.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
	<4A3030DE.9030501@cox.net>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0906101841550.6338@duo>
	<20090610231236.GA7798@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <4A304371.9080902@cox.net>

John W. Linville wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 06:43:37PM -0400, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Tim Fadden wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Sure, Easy till he gets something like this:
>>>       
>
>   
>>> cc -g -DLINUX -c -o drivewire.o ../source/drivewire.c
>>> ../source/drivewire.c:18:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory
>>>       
>> Fair enough.  Raw builds from tarballs and/or CVS checkout rarely assert  
>> that you have the correct packages to support the build.  On Ubuntu:
>>
>> $ sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
>>
>> should do the trick.
>>     
>
> Similarly, for a Fedora installation:
>
> 	sudo yum install ncurses-devel
>
> Hth!
>
> John
>
> P.S.  If there is interest, I could produce a Fedora package for this...?
>   
Being a Multivue lover, I used the "add/remove packages" gui in 
Mandriva, and did a search for curses, checked off the one I wanted, and 
then installed it from there.

:-)

Tim




From snhirsch at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 20:12:50 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:12:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906101841550.6338@duo>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com> <4A3030DE.9030501@cox.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0906101841550.6338@duo>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906102011170.6338@duo>

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:

>> ../source/drivewire.c:18:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory
>
>
> Fair enough.  Raw builds from tarballs and/or CVS checkout rarely assert that 
> you have the correct packages to support the build.  On Ubuntu:
>
> $ sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
>
> should do the trick.

And, having said that, this package could certainly be using GNU autoconf 
to look for dependencies.  Maybe when I get a Round Tuit..

Steve


-- 


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jun 11 10:33:01 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:33:01 -0400
Subject: [Coco] System up (was: System will be down for next several hours)
In-Reply-To: <003b01c9e9cb$f88d9130$e9a8b390$@rr.com>
References: <003b01c9e9cb$f88d9130$e9a8b390$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c9eaa1$86661100$93323300$@rr.com>

The move seems successful, and the system is up and running. If anyone wants
to try it out, please feel free. Let me know of any problems.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:04 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Cc: Rainbow Archive
> Subject: [Coco] System will be down for next several hours
> 
> I've noticed that I still have some who are downloading the Coco archives
I
> have posted on my server. If there is anyone who has plans to continue
> downloading, please note that my server will be up and down (mostly down)
> for most of today. I'm moving everything over to another server.



From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 11 21:01:53 2009
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:01:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A2EE5A1.20226.509507@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2D3DDE.28891.47BD4B@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A2F0FF6.4060706@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A2EE5A1.20226.509507@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>






----- Original Message ----
From: "jdaggett at gate.net" <jdaggett at gate.net>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:43:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?

On 9 Jun 2009 at 21:44, Robert Gault wrote:

> jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> ><snip>
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > That is interesting find. Yes there are settings that become
> > meaningless. I do agree that they should have not been implemented
> > if it is not going to be supported or of use. 
> > 
> > james
> > 
> > 
> 
> Here are two other modes that don't behave as expected. They are the
> 160-byte and 128-byte 2 color modes. The hardware can't be expected to
> scan fast enough to yield 1280 or 1024 pixels and it is not clear
> exactly what it is doing.
> 
> The following program will demonstrate that these modes are one
> "pixel" per byte. Unfortunately that does not mean 256 colors. :)
> There is only one active bit determining the palette register, bit-7.
> If bit-7 is not set, the color is palette #0. If it is set the color
> is palette #1.
> 
> It might be more accurate to say that the pixel is not round but 8 by
> 1. Or put another way, all 8 pixels in a bytes are either color #0 or
> color #1.
> 
> 1  W=160:WW=28:              REM Or use W=128:WW=24
> 10 M=&H60000:PX=2^7          REM Use any other power of 2 as a test.
> 20 HSCREEN2:POKE&HFF99,WW 30 PALETTE1,25:POKE&HFFB0,7 40 FOR I=0TO
> W-1:LPOKE M+I,PX:M=M+W:NEXTI 50 GOTO 50
> 
> This may or may not add to our knowledge of the GIME circuitry. Who
> knows, if we completely characterize the unauthorized modes, we might
> find something exciting. :)
> 

>Robert 

>keep going. The best way to understand how the internals of a black box 
works is by tickling its inputs and looking at what the outputs do. I starting 
to digest what you have here. This is a first beginning to try and decipher 
the internal workings a bit more. 

>james



I've just stumbled onto the list for the first time in a while... best thread in quite a while.
Just wondering if this behavior is consistent with both '86 and '87 GIMEs.

My instinctive theory would be that it is just incomplete implementation. Maybe management put the rush on the design team to "finish up," so they had to ship it, no time to even close the doors or squash a bug. Time is money!

This may be totally irrelevant, but is the design loosely based on the 6847 architecture?
If you issue PMODE4,x and SCREEN1,x, then issue PMODE0,n without a SCREEN command, then draw, for example, concentric circles, the circles show up in two columns simultaneously. You issue one circle command and get two circles on screen, side by side. I'm just saying, it seems like sort of similar behavior.

Cheers,
Bob

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From jdaggett at gate.net  Thu Jun 11 21:49:06 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:49:06 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2EE5A1.20226.509507@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A317BD2.2239.119CE9@jdaggett.gate.net>

 
> I've just stumbled onto the list for the first time in a while... best
> thread in quite a while. Just wondering if this behavior is consistent
> with both '86 and '87 GIMEs.
> 

My thoughts also.

> My instinctive theory would be that it is just incomplete
> implementation. Maybe management put the rush on the design team to
> "finish up," so they had to ship it, no time to even close the doors
> or squash a bug. Time is money!
> 

Yes and no. Incomplete maynot be the correct term. The HRES and CRES bits are encoded 
bits to yield different modes. What may have happened is that there is incomplete decoding 
or decoded ports that are not implement and yield really garbage when encountered. 

Hard to say without some idea of what the designers thought. It is possible the the prototype 
board may yield some insight. I may have to review what I have. It would be nice to have 
detailed pictures withour the dots and labels on the covered ICs also. Better to ID them and 
thus function. 

> This may be totally irrelevant, but is the design loosely based on the
> 6847 architecture? If you issue PMODE4,x and SCREEN1,x, then issue
> PMODE0,n without a SCREEN command, then draw, for example, concentric
> circles, the circles show up in two columns simultaneously. You issue
> one circle command and get two circles on screen, side by side. I'm
> just saying, it seems like sort of similar behavior.
> 

Yes some of the  modes of the MC6847are duplicated. You could say that it was at least an 
inspiration for design. Also all modes of the 6847/6883 are not implemented. Most likely 
would not fit and/or to difficult to implement on the GIME chip. 

This is indeed some of the best ideas in a while. It is exactly what needs to be done to truly 
start to understand the behavior of the GIME chip. That along with the prototype a more 
complete understanding of the internal workings can be better ascertained. 

james 


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jun 11 23:21:15 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A317BD2.2239.119CE9@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2EE5A1.20226.509507@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4A317BD2.2239.119CE9@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A31C9AB.9010105@worldnet.att.net>

To round out this thread, we should look at the screen produced by 
HRES=000 or 16-bytes per screen. It behaves normally with CRES set for 2 
or 4 colors. The fun begins with CRES set for 16 colors.
There should be two pixels per byte but you don't see a screen which 
looks like that.

10 HSCREEN2:POKE&HFF99,2
20 PALETTE1,24:POKE&HFFB0,7
30 M=&H60000
40 FOR I=0 TO 3056 STEP 16
50 LPOKE M+I,36:LPOKE M+I+1,36:NEXT
60 FOR I=0TO15:LPOKE M+I,129:NEXT
70 GOTO 70

You should see two vertical bi-colored columns separated by the screen 
background and on the top horizontal line 16 two color dashes.

It seems the screen is 32 bytes wide with 16 bytes accessible for 
drawing. The inaccessible area is filled with the palette #0 color and 
alternates with the accessible areas.

==========================================================

It would be nice if these weird modes were a window on the GIME 
circuitry. I'm not a hardware guy so I can't give an educated guess. To 
me, it looks like some incomplete look-up table is being used. Garbage 
in gives garbage out.





From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 12 01:33:06 2009
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:33:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A317BD2.2239.119CE9@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2EE5A1.20226.509507@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4A317BD2.2239.119CE9@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <137898.85716.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>






----- Original Message ----
From: "jdaggett at gate.net" <jdaggett at gate.net>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:49:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?

...snip...
>Hard to say without some idea of what the designers thought. It is possible the the prototype 
board may yield some insight. I may have to review what I have. It would be nice to have 
detailed pictures withour the dots and labels on the covered ICs also. Better to ID them and 
thus function. 




It would be amazing to actually fire up the prototype and run the same tests (among other things.)
This is, of course, impossible...
so let's all meet next week at Milly Way's and give it a shot!
Now... which bank to deposit my penny in...

Bob


      


From Torsten at Dittel.info  Fri Jun 12 06:13:23 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:13:23 +0200
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2D3DDE.28891.47BD4B@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A2F0FF6.4060706@worldnet.att.net>	<4A2EE5A1.20226.509507@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <h0t9o0$mld$1@ger.gmane.org>

theother_bob schrieb:

> I've just stumbled onto the list for the first time in a while... best thread in quite a while.

At least until this will convert in a flame war... ;-)

What I wonder: there has always been heavy investigation on the GIME 
going on, e.g. by Nick M., and I think Sockmaster has tried out a lot of 
stuff too. Why did no one ever try to understand the logic behind that? 
Would be my 1st thought, to play around with the "unused" GIME register 
bits...



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jun 12 08:29:19 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:29:19 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>

And the first thing it asks for is a password

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John W. Linville
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:06 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a lot to it...
> 
> cvs -
d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewirese
rver login
> 
> cvs -z3 -
d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewirese
rver co -P drivewireserver
> 
> cd drivewireserver/linux/build
> 
> make
> 
> ./drivewireserver
> 




From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 12 09:12:40 2009
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:12:40 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [REAL OT] was Re: What do you make of this non-approved
	HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A31C9AB.9010105@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A2EE5A1.20226.509507@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4A317BD2.2239.119CE9@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<4A31C9AB.9010105@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <6D7528FC-8007-4E98-8211-18B1D5182691@earthlink.net>


On Jun 11, 2009, at Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 11:21 PM, Robert Gault  
wrote:

> To round out this thread, we should look at the screen produced by  
> HRES=000 or 16-bytes per screen. It behaves ...
>
> ==========================================================
>
> ... To me, it looks like some incomplete look-up table is being  
> used. Garbage in gives garbage out.


Hey!  I thought we were supposed to stay away from comments about our  
government on this list!  Sorry, I was just reading CNN and couldn't  
resist. %^D


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From linville at tuxdriver.com  Fri Jun 12 09:24:41 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:24:41 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
	<000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20090612132441.GA3524@tuxdriver.com>

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 08:29:19AM -0400, Bill wrote:
> And the first thing it asks for is a password

Just hit enter...

-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jun 12 10:04:08 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:04:08 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <20090612132441.GA3524@tuxdriver.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>	<000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>
	<20090612132441.GA3524@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c9eb66$a800b520$f8021f60$@rr.com>

I did. 

Here is the response: 

root at Ubuntu: cvs login: CVS password file /root/.cvspass does not exist -
creating a new file
cvs
-d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewires
erver login
Logging in to
:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/drivewir
eserver
CVS password: <ENTER>
cvs login: authorization failed: server drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net
rejected access to /cvsroot/drivewireserver for user anonymous
root at Ubuntu:/home/bill/sources# cvs
-d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewires
erver login
Logging in to
:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/drivewir
eserver
CVS password: <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
cvs login: authorization failed: server drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net
rejected access to /cvsroot/drivewireserver for user anonymous
root at Ubuntu:/home/bill/sources# cvs
-d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewires
erver login
Logging in to
:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/drivewir
eserver
CVS password: <anonymous>
cvs login: authorization failed: server drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net
rejected access to /cvsroot/drivewireserver for user anonymous 

Nothing I put in as password will let me do what I need to do.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John W. Linville
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:25 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
> 
> Just hit enter...



From linville at tuxdriver.com  Fri Jun 12 10:05:53 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:05:53 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <000e01c9eb66$a800b520$f8021f60$@rr.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
	<000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>
	<20090612132441.GA3524@tuxdriver.com>
	<000e01c9eb66$a800b520$f8021f60$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20090612140552.GC3524@tuxdriver.com>

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:04:08AM -0400, Bill wrote:
> I did. 
> 
> Here is the response: 

There is no magic -- just sourceforge suckiness.  Keep trying (and
only press enter, no random passwords).

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From t.fadden at cox.net  Fri Jun 12 10:17:34 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:17:34 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <000e01c9eb66$a800b520$f8021f60$@rr.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>	<000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>	<20090612132441.GA3524@tuxdriver.com>
	<000e01c9eb66$a800b520$f8021f60$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4A32637E.2070501@cox.net>

Bill wrote:
> I did. 
>
> Here is the response: 
>
> root at Ubuntu: cvs login: CVS password file /root/.cvspass does not exist -
> creating a new file
> cvs
> -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewires
> erver login
> Logging in to
> :pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/drivewir
> eserver
> CVS password: <ENTER>
> cvs login: authorization failed: server drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net
> rejected access to /cvsroot/drivewireserver for user anonymous
> root at Ubuntu:/home/bill/sources# cvs
> -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewires
> erver login
> Logging in to
> :pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/drivewir
> eserver
> CVS password: <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
> cvs login: authorization failed: server drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net
> rejected access to /cvsroot/drivewireserver for user anonymous
> root at Ubuntu:/home/bill/sources# cvs
> -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewires
> erver login
> Logging in to
> :pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/drivewir
> eserver
> CVS password: <anonymous>
> cvs login: authorization failed: server drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net
> rejected access to /cvsroot/drivewireserver for user anonymous 
>
> Nothing I put in as password will let me do what I need to do.
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John W. Linville
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:25 AM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
>>
>> Just hit enter...
>>     
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>   
I wonder if the servier is down.  I cut and pasted the lines in with my 
linux, and it logged in fine.  I just tried again, and it logs in fine.

where did this part come from?

root at Ubuntu: cvs login: CVS password file /root/.cvspass does not exist -creating a new file


the first thing to type in is:

root at Ubuntu:cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at drivewireserver.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/drivewireserver login







From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jun 12 10:51:44 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:51:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <20090612140552.GC3524@tuxdriver.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>	<000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>	<20090612132441.GA3524@tuxdriver.com>	<000e01c9eb66$a800b520$f8021f60$@rr.com>
	<20090612140552.GC3524@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <001001c9eb6d$4e595610$eb0c0230$@rr.com>

Success!! But it has to be run as root, right? How would I call it up
whenever the system reboots?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John W. Linville
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:06 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
> 
> 




From linville at tuxdriver.com  Fri Jun 12 11:49:05 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:49:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <001001c9eb6d$4e595610$eb0c0230$@rr.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
	<000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>
	<20090612132441.GA3524@tuxdriver.com>
	<000e01c9eb66$a800b520$f8021f60$@rr.com>
	<20090612140552.GC3524@tuxdriver.com>
	<001001c9eb6d$4e595610$eb0c0230$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20090612154905.GE3524@tuxdriver.com>

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:51:44AM -0400, Bill wrote:
> Success!! But it has to be run as root, right? How would I call it up
> whenever the system reboots?

It looked like you were using an Ubuntu installation -- I'll have to
defer to someone who uses that distribution to advise you on how to
start stuff automatically.

FWIW, I'm not sure you actually want an ncurses-based application to
start as a daemon.  On its face it would require human interaction
to be useful.

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From jdaggett at gate.net  Fri Jun 12 13:34:23 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:34:23 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <h0t9o0$mld$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<92846.8310.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<h0t9o0$mld$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A32595F.21647.725B6@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 12 Jun 2009 at 12:13, Torsten Dittel wrote:

> theother_bob schrieb:
> 
> > I've just stumbled onto the list for the first time in a while...
> > best thread in quite a while.
> 
> At least until this will convert in a flame war... ;-)
> 
> What I wonder: there has always been heavy investigation on the GIME
> going on, e.g. by Nick M., and I think Sockmaster has tried out a lot
> of stuff too. Why did no one ever try to understand the logic behind
> that? Would be my 1st thought, to play around with the "unused" GIME
> register bits...
> 
Torsten

Correct in that Nick and John have investigated the GIME in many ways 
but their goal ws to find the elusive 256 color mode. That is well 
documented. I am not aware of other documented results. I need to back 
up and check that. 

james 


From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Fri Jun 12 13:55:25 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:55:25 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CoCo on the Tonight Show
In-Reply-To: <7DCF811E-71F7-4EA8-B360-A4082ECAAB4E@gmail.com>
References: <7DCF811E-71F7-4EA8-B360-A4082ECAAB4E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FEA03A607664DC78C3031E970714346@Shasta>

Hi,

The "CoCo" continues on the Tonight Show.

Thursday there were 4 persons in the crowd with "C" "o" "C" "o" on their tee 
shirts.

And Monday there also was a "CoCo" reference.

SHF

Is this off topic?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:19 AM
Subject: [Coco] CoCo on the Tonight Show


> Dunno if anyone tuned in to the Tonight Show on Tuesday night...
>
> ... but Conan O'Brien appears to have inherited the nickname "CoCo", 
> spelled with that exact capitalization, during a Twitter comedy  segment. 
> He and guest Tom Hanks geeked out on Star Trek (and boy,  Hanks sure does 
> know his Trek).  Hanks and the audience chant out  "CoCo! CoCo! CoCo!" on 
> a few occasions.
>
> -- JP



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Jun 12 22:04:22 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:04:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire for Linux
In-Reply-To: <001001c9eb6d$4e595610$eb0c0230$@rr.com>
References: <004001c9e9d0$5f871f10$1e955d30$@rr.com>
	<20090610150547.GA3892@tuxdriver.com>
	<000d01c9eb59$69516b10$3bf44130$@rr.com>
	<20090612132441.GA3524@tuxdriver.com>
	<000e01c9eb66$a800b520$f8021f60$@rr.com>
	<20090612140552.GC3524@tuxdriver.com>
	<001001c9eb6d$4e595610$eb0c0230$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906122202570.6338@duo>

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Bill wrote:

> Success!! But it has to be run as root, right? How would I call it up
> whenever the system reboots?

Nothing having to do with Drivewire or CVS needs to be run as root.  You 
may have to get your user id in the correct group for serial port access, 
though.

-- 


From jdaggett at gate.net  Sat Jun 13 19:44:10 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:44:10 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A31C9AB.9010105@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A317BD2.2239.119CE9@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A31C9AB.9010105@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A34018A.9617.26FFC1C@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 11 Jun 2009 at 23:21, Robert Gault wrote:

> To round out this thread, we should look at the screen produced by
> HRES=000 or 16-bytes per screen. It behaves normally with CRES set for
> 2 or 4 colors. The fun begins with CRES set for 16 colors. There
> should be two pixels per byte but you don't see a screen which looks
> like that.
> 
> 10 HSCREEN2:POKE&HFF99,2
> 20 PALETTE1,24:POKE&HFFB0,7
> 30 M=&H60000
> 40 FOR I=0 TO 3056 STEP 16
> 50 LPOKE M+I,36:LPOKE M+I+1,36:NEXT
> 60 FOR I=0TO15:LPOKE M+I,129:NEXT
> 70 GOTO 70
> 
> You should see two vertical bi-colored columns separated by the screen
> background and on the top horizontal line 16 two color dashes.
> 
> It seems the screen is 32 bytes wide with 16 bytes accessible for
> drawing. The inaccessible area is filled with the palette #0 color and
> alternates with the accessible areas.
> 
> ==========================================================
> 
> It would be nice if these weird modes were a window on the GIME 
> circuitry. I'm not a hardware guy so I can't give an educated guess.
> To me, it looks like some incomplete look-up table is being used.
> Garbage in gives garbage out.
> 

Robert

After looking back at the MC6847 spec and digesting what your program is doing, it appears 
you are trying to implement the CG1 mode of the COCO1. IF so then you have stumbled on 
a GIME defect and would explain why some of the modes of the COCO1/2 were never 
implemented. SOmetimes that happens. When it does you tell the world nothing and hope 
that they don't stumble across it. Then it is an usupported function of the chip. 

Looking back at CG1 mode it is 64 pixels by 64 pixels. Instead with the GIME chip it 
appears to be 64 pixels by 192 pixels. Or maybe 128 by 192 pixels. 

james




From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun 13 20:18:18 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:18:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A34018A.9617.26FFC1C@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A317BD2.2239.119CE9@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A31C9AB.9010105@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A34018A.9617.26FFC1C@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A3441CA.6010002@worldnet.att.net>

jdaggett at gate.net wrote:

> 
> Robert
> 
> After looking back at the MC6847 spec and digesting what your program is doing, it appears 
> you are trying to implement the CG1 mode of the COCO1. IF so then you have stumbled on 
> a GIME defect and would explain why some of the modes of the COCO1/2 were never 
> implemented. SOmetimes that happens. When it does you tell the world nothing and hope 
> that they don't stumble across it. Then it is an usupported function of the chip. 
> 
> Looking back at CG1 mode it is 64 pixels by 64 pixels. Instead with the GIME chip it 
> appears to be 64 pixels by 192 pixels. Or maybe 128 by 192 pixels. 
> 
> james
> 
> 

I'm not trying to implement any SAM modes. These mode sizes may be the 
same as some of those produced by the paired MC6847 plus MC6883, but 
that is just co-incidence.

What I tried to do was complete the missing entries in the Tandy table 
for $FF99. Based only on what Tandy gave in the service manual, there 
appears to be two sequences alternating in the HRES bits of $FF99. One 
series is 640, 320, and 160 (width in pixels). The other series is 512 
and 256 (width in pixels). Translated into width in bytes, that gives 
the two series of 160, 80, 40, 20  and  128, 64, 32, 16.

It might be that the GIME can't decide whether it should be working in a 
COCO1 or COCO3 mode. It might be that certain combinations should have 
been locked out but weren't. It might be that there are bugs in the mode 
implementation that were never corrected. If we are very lucky and I 
doubt it, there may be some back doors via these non-approved modes that 
will lead to something spectacular.

Which of these possibilities is likely, I'll leave to the hardware 
specialists to argue over. To my knowledge, a systematic exploration of 
these settings on Coco3 has not been done before. An accurate 
description of the results could provide a valuable assist to the study 
of the prototype boards.


From jdaggett at gate.net  Sat Jun 13 22:16:11 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:16:11 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A3441CA.6010002@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A34018A.9617.26FFC1C@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A3441CA.6010002@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A34252B.4514.2FB274F@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 13 Jun 2009 at 20:18, Robert Gault wrote:

> What I tried to do was complete the missing entries in the Tandy table
> for $FF99. Based only on what Tandy gave in the service manual, there
> appears to be two sequences alternating in the HRES bits of $FF99. One
> series is 640, 320, and 160 (width in pixels). The other series is 512
> and 256 (width in pixels). Translated into width in bytes, that gives
> the two series of 160, 80, 40, 20  and  128, 64, 32, 16.

Robert

16 bytes per row is the basis for the CG1 mode of the COCO1/2. If you 
have 8 colors that will be one color per pixel and 8 pixel sper byte. Thus the 
screen is 128 pixels. 16*8. Four colors is four pixels per byte and 64 pixels 
and 64 pixels across. I beleive that 16 colors at 16 bytes per row is not a 
Coco1/2 mode. That introduces an interesting situation. The GIME has 
more video modes than advertised but not all may work as expected. 

This could be from incomplete decoding or a look up table not fully 
implemented to logic that does not work. Still it is interesting to poke and 
prod the GIME chip to see what it does or does not perform as expected. 

james


From Torsten at Dittel.info  Sun Jun 14 07:51:23 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:51:23 +0200
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A34252B.4514.2FB274F@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A34018A.9617.26FFC1C@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A3441CA.6010002@worldnet.att.net>
	<4A34252B.4514.2FB274F@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <h12o7n$vep$1@ger.gmane.org>

I guess analysing the discrete CoCo3 prototype would reveal which modes 
are fully implemented and which not and explain the one or the other 
"strange" behavior.

However, I'm still astonished, that this is the first time after more 
than 20 years someone is more or less systematically trying out all bit 
combinations of the GIME registers and describing the way bit patterns 
in memory are displayed on the screen. Makes me once more sigh at not 
having access to a CoCo3 here in Germany in these times. Now I have some 
PAL machines from Down Under boxed, but absolutely no time to dive into 
that maiden-like water... ;-)



From spam_proof at verizon.net  Sun Jun 14 09:17:18 2009
From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:17:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Young programmers....
Message-ID: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>

All,
    My 8 year old son has taken to BASIC programming on the COCO.   
He's got the Coco 2 set up in his room, and we've got the Coco 3  
downstairs.  While going through the Coco 3 manual, he noticed a grid  
worksheet for the 64x32 text mode.  I thought we just had 32, 40, and  
80 columns on the Coco 3.  He was wondering why "WIDTH 64" did not  
work.  I'm assuming the 64x32 is just the set/reset (that uses text  
characters and is therefore a text mode), but it never really says  
that.  There isn't some weird or "Easter Egg" text mode on the Coco 3  
(analogous to some of the Coco 1/2 semigraphics modes) is there?
    This actually gave me an idea for the next Cocofest.  Job  
permitting, I'd like to set up a booth and have a "kids corner" where  
our younger members could play coco games or write programs.  I'd like  
to reward any kid who writes a program with a US Savings Bond  
(provided that the US Treasury does not go bankrupt or experience the  
"Zimbabwe Effect").  Anyone who is a kid at heart, but not a younger  
programmer would of course be able to write programs too, but please  
understand that I haven't got enough money to finance a bond for  
everyone....just the kids...).
    Does anyone think we could muster up enough kids to make this  
happen?  So far, I can think of only one.
                      - Aaron
  
   


From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sun Jun 14 09:32:14 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:32:14 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>

 
What year Rainbow had the master Index of articles in it?

I'm considering working on a Master Index for all of the magazines currently
available in scanned format.  I seem to remember there was as Magazine
database program in one of the Rainbows as well.  Is this ringing any bells
for anyone?




From mechacoco at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 09:45:15 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:45:15 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Young programmers....
In-Reply-To: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906140645i57e0beb1m8fc803ae6dc7268@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/14/09, Aaron Banerjee wrote:
>
> While going through the Coco 3 manual, he noticed a grid
> worksheet for the 64x32 text mode.  I thought we just had 32, 40, and
> 80 columns on the Coco 3.  He was wondering why "WIDTH 64" did not
> work.  I'm assuming the 64x32 is just the set/reset (that uses text
> characters and is therefore a text mode), but it never really says
> that.  There isn't some weird or "Easter Egg" text mode on the Coco 3
> (analogous to some of the Coco 1/2 semigraphics modes) is there?


You're correct. The 64 x 32 worksheet is for the SET / RESET graphics
used in the CoCo 1/2 text screen (Semigraphics 4).

Darren


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 14 09:47:23 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Young programmers....
In-Reply-To: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4A34FF6B.1090401@worldnet.att.net>

Aaron Banerjee wrote:
> All,
>    My 8 year old son has taken to BASIC programming on the COCO.  He's 
> got the Coco 2 set up in his room, and we've got the Coco 3 downstairs.  
> While going through the Coco 3 manual, he noticed a grid worksheet for 
> the 64x32 text mode.  I thought we just had 32, 40, and 80 columns on 
> the Coco 3.

That's correct where 32 columns is Coco1 mode text and 40 or 80 is Coco3 
hi-res text.

>  He was wondering why "WIDTH 64" did not work.  I'm assuming 
> the 64x32 is just the set/reset (that uses text characters and is 
> therefore a text mode), but it never really says that.  There isn't some 
> weird or "Easter Egg" text mode on the Coco 3 (analogous to some of the 
> Coco 1/2 semigraphics modes) is there?

The manual is not very clear on this point. Most likely the worksheet 
would be used in conjunction with p. 292 where the characters obtained 
with CHR$(N) 128<=N<=255 are shown. These are what's left of the 
semigraphics capability on the Coco3.
If you look at these patterns, you will see that they are 2x2 squares. 
Put 32 of these across the 32 column screen and you have effectively 64 
columns of semigraphics information.



From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Sun Jun 14 10:13:44 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:13:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>
	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <09AB3E7B1D594439A276050CD3363ED6@speedy>

> What year Rainbow had the master Index of articles in it?

About July of the third year there was an index of the first three years, 
there after there was an annual index


> I'm considering working on a Master Index for all of
> the magazines currently available in scanned format.

Yes, I copied all of those indexes and put them in a binder for quick 
reference over a decade ago.



> I seem to remember there was as Magazine
> database program in one of the Rainbows as well.
> Is this ringing any bells for anyone?

I remember seeing the program, but I'd have to dig out and through the 
indexes.  Today/this week the deer and rabbit fence around the garden in the 
hot priority.



From tlindner at macmess.org  Sun Jun 14 13:11:52 2009
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:11:52 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <1j1apke.nkyr8kv7sw64M%tlindner@macmess.org>

Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I'm considering working on a Master Index for all of the magazines currently
> available in scanned format.

One of the by products of the CoCoMag project is a complete article
index. Also an advertising index and a filler index.

<http://cocomag.dyndns.org/TheRainbow.shtml>

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sun Jun 14 13:36:30 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:36:30 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <1j1apke.nkyr8kv7sw64M%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>
	<1j1apke.nkyr8kv7sw64M%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <6A113C046B1843D8BD32E7035E42DF87@Dell3Gig>

Well, with the Rainbow, many of the indexs you just mentioned exist already.
But they do not exist for CCM, CCN, Hot COCO, ext...  I'm looking into
running the July Rainbow Indexs thru OCR, then taking a stab at the other
mags.  I was originally thinking to use a DECB Magazine Index program I
vaguely remember seeing in Rainbow, but I'm not sure it could handle the
everything.  The 1st three years of rainbow index is 15 pages of tripple
columns each, then each year after there is more.  None of that counting the
other magazines.

BTW, I completed two tasks while I was checkingout your page.  Very detail
oriented.  I commend you.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of tim lindner
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:12 PM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> 
> Paul Fitch <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'm considering working on a Master Index for all of the magazines 
> > currently available in scanned format.
> 
> One of the by products of the CoCoMag project is a complete 
> article index. Also an advertising index and a filler index.
> 
> <http://cocomag.dyndns.org/TheRainbow.shtml>
> 
> --
> tim lindner
> tlindner at macmess.org                                          
>     Bright
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From jdaggett at gate.net  Sun Jun 14 15:30:59 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:30:59 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <h12o7n$vep$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A34252B.4514.2FB274F@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<h12o7n$vep$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A3517B3.18091.15043F@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 14 Jun 2009 at 13:51, Torsten Dittel wrote:

> I guess analysing the discrete CoCo3 prototype would reveal which
> modes are fully implemented and which not and explain the one or the
> other "strange" behavior.
> 
> However, I'm still astonished, that this is the first time after more
> than 20 years someone is more or less systematically trying out all
> bit combinations of the GIME registers and describing the way bit
> patterns in memory are displayed on the screen. Makes me once more
> sigh at not having access to a CoCo3 here in Germany in these times.
> Now I have some PAL machines from Down Under boxed, but absolutely no
> time to dive into that maiden-like water... ;-)

Two things come to mind immedeately as to why. 

One is that no one has documented the settings or has not tried them.

Second is the statement in the Unreveled Series is that not all modes are 
guaranteed to be supported in the future and therefore no one has used 
them.

Also Basic for the Coco3 does not support 32 and 16 pixels per row 
mode(16 colors and 256 colors). There are other modes also that basic 
does not support. So from a programmers point of view if the mode is not 
supported or guaranteed to be there in future releases of the software and 
hardware, why use them or experiment with them. 

james 


From Torsten at Dittel.info  Sun Jun 14 16:25:33 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:25:33 +0200
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A3517B3.18091.15043F@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A34252B.4514.2FB274F@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<h12o7n$vep$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A3517B3.18091.15043F@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <h13mbq$c5t$1@ger.gmane.org>

jdaggett at gate.net schrieb:

> Second is the statement in the Unreveled Series is that not all modes are 
> guaranteed to be supported in the future and therefore no one has used 
> them.

Could you (or someone else) help my weak memory (and prevent me from 
Googling the whole night): what was exactly the difference between the 
'86 and the '87 GIME? I know the '86 had one or more bugs which have 
been fixed in the '87 run. Wasn't that related to hardware scrolling 
somehow? Is there software, which will only run on '87 GIMEs for that 
reason? What happens if you use that software on a '86er? Could you 
imagine a way to detect the GIME version by software or user interaction 
(e.g. "If you can read this, you seem to have a new GIME version, press 
'Enter' to continue").

I only noticed once, that one of both GIMEs worked fine with one of my 
RGB monitors, the other one produced "glitches" where the monitor 
obviously got out of SYNC somehow. I guess that was a timing issue, but 
I don't remember which of the GIMEs did better (nor wether it was on the 
C=1084S or the NEC MultiSync 2D).

Bad enough I can't contribute anything, but if I would work on 
documenting GIME features, I would try everything on both versions of 
the GIME. Who knows which of the neat "bugs" (e.g. the "256 color mode") 
disappeared from the '86 version, just because it has never been documented.

Maybe one should even try everything for both Composite and RGB out. 
However, if there's a feature only available with Composite Video, the 
PAL verison as sold in Australia would never reveal it (the NTSC 
composite out pin of the GIME is not connected on PAL boards).

To make it complete, one should finally compare it with the prototype, 
assuming that one will be running again one day.

Best regards,
Torsten



From badfrog at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 17:03:50 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:03:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on the
	C64.
Message-ID: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.vandenbrande.com/wp/2009/06/breadbox64-a-twitter-client-for-the-c64/

These C64 people keep on getting all the cool stuff. :)

(Ok, I actually think Twitter is pretty stupid... But it's neat seeing
it run on an 8-bit machine.)


From jdaggett at gate.net  Sun Jun 14 17:13:08 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:13:08 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
	the C64.
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A352FA4.27225.72887E@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 14 Jun 2009 at 16:03, Sean wrote:

> http://www.vandenbrande.com/wp/2009/06/breadbox64-a-twitter-client-for
> -the-c64/
> 
> These C64 people keep on getting all the cool stuff. :)
> 
> (Ok, I actually think Twitter is pretty stupid... But it's neat seeing
> it run on an 8-bit machine.)

|========================

There are probably more C64 users and what works for that also is 
adaptable to many other computers that run a 6502 line of CPUs. 

Also there are more working on hradware than for the Coco. 

james


From jdaggett at gate.net  Sun Jun 14 17:20:36 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:20:36 -0400
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <h13mbq$c5t$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A3517B3.18091.15043F@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<h13mbq$c5t$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A353164.23973.795EDC@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 14 Jun 2009 at 22:25, Torsten Dittel wrote:

> Could you (or someone else) help my weak memory (and prevent me from
> Googling the whole night): what was exactly the difference between the
> '86 and the '87 GIME? I know the '86 had one or more bugs which have
> been fixed in the '87 run. Wasn't that related to hardware scrolling
> somehow? Is there software, which will only run on '87 GIMEs for that
> reason? What happens if you use that software on a '86er? Could you
> imagine a way to detect the GIME version by software or user
> interaction (e.g. "If you can read this, you seem to have a new GIME
> version, press 'Enter' to continue").

Outside the obvisous that Tandy changed vendors for the GIME between the 1986 and 1987 
production run, there is no real way to tell what was changed. It may very well have been 
that the 1986 vendor did not have fab capacity and/or issues in manufacturing like yield 
issues. 

Never the less the 1987 parts seemed to fix sparkleis and some other minor issues. The 
occasional sparkles on the display could be attributed to the address mux that switches the 
lines between video and CPU access to the memory. The timing is very critical in that area 
of operation. 

james


From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Sun Jun 14 17:30:51 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:30:51 +0100
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
 the C64.
In-Reply-To: <4A352FA4.27225.72887E@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A352FA4.27225.72887E@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A356C0B.6050208@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> On 14 Jun 2009 at 16:03, Sean wrote:
 >
> There are probably more C64 users and what works for that also is 
> adaptable to many other computers that run a 6502 line of CPUs. 
> 
> Also there are more working on hradware than for the Coco. 

Though from a hardware interfacing standpoint, stuff designed to work on 
a 6502 should pretty easily adapt to work on a 6809, as the hardware 
architecture is very similar. Remembering that the 6500 (or was it 
6501), was designed as a drop in replacement for the 6800, by ex 
Motorola staff.

Cheers.

Phill.

-- 
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From Torsten at Dittel.info  Sun Jun 14 17:54:46 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:54:46 +0200
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <4A353164.23973.795EDC@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A3517B3.18091.15043F@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<h13mbq$c5t$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A353164.23973.795EDC@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <h13rj2$p2k$1@ger.gmane.org>

Thanks. Meanwhile I had a look at Sock's page 
(http://www.axess.com/twilight/sock/gime.html) and found that one:

FF94 (65428) Timer register MSB

Bits 7-4		Unused
Bits 3-0	TMRH	Timer bits 8-11
FF95 (65429) Timer register LSB

Bits 7-0	TMRL	Timer bits 0-7

The 12 bit timer can be loaded with any number from 0-4095. The timer 
resets and restarts counting down as soon as a number is written to 
FF94. Writing to FF95 does not restart the timer, but the value does 
save. Reading from either register does not restart the timer. When the 
timer reaches zero, it automatically restarts and triggers an interrupt 
(if enabled). The timer also controls the rate of blinking text.
Storing a zero to both registers stops the timer from operating. Lastly, 
the timer works slightly differently on both 1986 and 1987 versions of 
the GIME. Neither can actually run a clock count of 1. That is, if you 
store a 1 into the timer register, the 1986 GIME actually processes this 
as a '3' and the 1987 GIME processes it as a '2'. All other values 
stored are affected the same way : nnn+2 for 1986 GIME and nnn+1 for 
1987 GIME.

and that one:

FF9D (65437) Vertical offset register MSB

Bits 7-0	Y15-Y8	MSB Start of video in RAM
(video location * 2048)

FF9E (65438) Vertical offset register LSB

Bits 7-0	Y7-Y0	LSB Start of video in RAM
(video location * 8)

Y15-Y0 is used to set the video mode to start in any memory location in 
512K by steps of 8 bytes. On a 128K machine, the memory range is 
$60000-$7FFFF. There is a bug in some versions of the GIME that causes 
the computer to crash when you set odd numbered values in FF9E in some 
resolutions, so it's safest to limit positioning to steps of 16 bytes. 
Fortunately, you can use FF9F to make up for it and get steps as small 
as 2 bytes.





From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 19:20:17 2009
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:20:17 -0600
Subject: [Coco] What do you make of this non-approved HSCREEN mode?
In-Reply-To: <h13rj2$p2k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A3517B3.18091.15043F@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<h13mbq$c5t$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A353164.23973.795EDC@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<h13rj2$p2k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <88E8DAAA-7720-4EC8-A143-A734F039212F@gmail.com>

On Jun 14, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Torsten Dittel wrote:
> Thanks. Meanwhile I had a look at Sock's page (http://www.axess.com/twilight/sock/gime.html 
> ) and found that one:


I wouldn't be surprised if Sock has already done a lot of the work  
testing the GIME and finding undocumented modes, etc.  Here's an  
interview Nick conducted about a decade ago:

http://www.nickm.launch.net.au/ProjectArchive/kowalski.html

Of particular interest is this paragraph:

Most of my experiments were deliberate. I had an idea that something  
should be possible and I tried it. There was some random hunting for  
effects - keep poking all sorts of numbers into all sorts of registers  
(especially video registers) in all sorts of 'times' and see if  
anything neat happened. By times, I mean things like during the  
horizontal or vertical video border, or at the end of a scan line or  
the last line of the screen, etc. A few neat but fairly useless  
discoveries were that the 1987 GIME could be tricked into displaying  
overscan graphics (graphics WITHIN the border) and that the 1986 GIME  
could be tricked into displaying interlaced video (640x450). I also  
found out that the interrupt timing between both versions of the GIME  
is very different, and that's a regular annoyance that interferes with  
special effects. Luckily, I also found out how to detect which GIME  
your CoCo has so I could make it so that a program works on both of  
them.

-- JP



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 14 20:28:49 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:28:49 -0400
Subject: [Coco] The GIME test pin - what does it do?
In-Reply-To: <4A353164.23973.795EDC@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A3517B3.18091.15043F@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<h13mbq$c5t$1@ger.gmane.org> <4A353164.23973.795EDC@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A3595C1.3060709@worldnet.att.net>

James or anyone else,

Have you ever tried to make use of the test line, pin 39, on the GIME? 
It is tied to 5v through a resistor. What is likely to happen and/or 
what does happen if pin 39 is grounded.

Since we are trying to document everything the GIME can do, this seems 
like something worth trying. I'm to timid to try it as I don't want to 
fry the GIME or my Coco3.


From jdaggett at gate.net  Sun Jun 14 22:20:53 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:20:53 -0400
Subject: [Coco] The GIME test pin - what does it do?
In-Reply-To: <4A3595C1.3060709@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A271F8A.50404@worldnet.att.net>,
	<4A353164.23973.795EDC@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A3595C1.3060709@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <4A3577C5.6269.18C4A60@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 14 Jun 2009 at 20:28, Robert Gault wrote:

> James or anyone else,
> 
> Have you ever tried to make use of the test line, pin 39, on the GIME?
> It is tied to 5v through a resistor. What is likely to happen and/or
> what does happen if pin 39 is grounded.
> 
> Since we are trying to document everything the GIME can do, this seems
> like something worth trying. I'm to timid to try it as I don't want to
> fry the GIME or my Coco3.
> 


I wouls suspect that it goes into a internal test state so that the logic can be 
tested at various stages like die probe and final test after packaging. 

I may very well be tempted to build a test setup so that I can use and 
HC11EVB to try and do some static tests of the two vintage chips I have. . 

james



From jdaggett at gate.net  Sun Jun 14 22:25:06 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
	the C64.
In-Reply-To: <4A356C0B.6050208@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A352FA4.27225.72887E@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<4A356C0B.6050208@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A3578C2.30629.1902466@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 14 Jun 2009 at 22:30, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:

> Though from a hardware interfacing standpoint, stuff designed to work
> on a 6502 should pretty easily adapt to work on a 6809, as the
> hardware architecture is very similar. Remembering that the 6500 (or
> was it 6501), was designed as a drop in replacement for the 6800, by
> ex Motorola staff.
> 
> Cheers.
> 


The 6502 is very similar to the 6800 in working. i would at first think that 
any hardware for a 65020 could be interfaced with a 6809. At least on the 
top of my head I don't really see any issues but i could be wrong. Hardware 
wise there would be some inconveniences due to different connector 
schemes between the two. 

james




From basilf at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 15 00:56:27 2009
From: basilf at shaw.ca (Basil Fitze)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:56:27 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Want a Coco 1
Message-ID: <h14k9r+bncs@eGroups.com>

I want to trade a Coco III for a Coco 1 preferably the white one. If anyone has one and wants to trade contact me. basilf at shaw.ca 



From wrcousert at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 15 01:57:23 2009
From: wrcousert at yahoo.com (Bill Cousert)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:57:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
	the C64.
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23235.88473.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jeri Ellsworth designed a 16-bit C64 clone. 

http://www.c64upgra.de/c-one/

I wonder if there are enough coco users left to make a project like this worthwhile?

?



________________________________
From: Sean <badfrog at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:03:50 PM
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on the C64.

http://www.vandenbrande.com/wp/2009/06/breadbox64-a-twitter-client-for-the-c64/

These C64 people keep on getting all the cool stuff. :)

(Ok, I actually think Twitter is pretty stupid... But it's neat seeing
it run on an 8-bit machine.)

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From wlhaynes at mindspring.com  Mon Jun 15 08:54:43 2009
From: wlhaynes at mindspring.com (Wesley Haynes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:54:43 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>
	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>

Paul Fitch wrote:
>  
> What year Rainbow had the master Index of articles in it?
> 
> I'm considering working on a Master Index for all of the magazines currently
> available in scanned format.  I seem to remember there was as Magazine
> database program in one of the Rainbows as well.  Is this ringing any bells
> for anyone?
> 

I extracted the contents of the database and converted to Excel if that 
helps you. It covers the first ten years of Rainbow from July '81 to 
June '91. There are three files: 1) Articles, 2) Reviews, and 3) Rainbow 
on Tape/Disk. Look for rainbow index.zip at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive/files/

If you don't have / want access to the Yahoo group, let me know and I 
can post the zip file somewhere else or email it to you or whatever.

Wes


From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Jun 15 09:06:25 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:06:25 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
	the C64.
In-Reply-To: <23235.88473.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<23235.88473.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A360F11.5202.215D81@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 14 Jun 2009 at 22:57, Bill Cousert wrote:

> Jeri Ellsworth designed a 16-bit C64 clone. 
> 
> http://www.c64upgra.de/c-one/
> 
> I wonder if there are enough coco users left to make a project like
> this worthwhile?
> 

This has been discussed before and has led no where. 

Also consider this at $333 Euros (~ $462) for a basic system that will need 
between another $50 to $100 more to make running that becomes a bit 
pricy. 

I have investigated another approach and could lead to a lower initial cost 
and have a 6809 based FPGA system. I lean towards the Audrino style of 
using several mating boards to make up a system. That way the system 
can be as small or as large are one would like. Each card being about 1/2 a 
Euro card in size. This would allow anyone using the free version of Eagle 
to make his own boards or his own cards. 

james


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 15 09:25:21 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:25:21 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>
	<4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>

You are very welcome to post it on my server

sq1bbs.com
port 21
username: cocoshare
password: share
data connection type: Use PORT

Please post in the upload directory.

Thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Haynes
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:55 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> 
> Paul Fitch wrote:
> 
> If you don't have / want access to the Yahoo group, let me know and I
> can post the zip file somewhere else or email it to you or whatever.
> 




From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Mon Jun 15 09:33:44 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:33:44 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
 the C64.
In-Reply-To: <23235.88473.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>
	<23235.88473.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A364DB8.5030505@iinet.net.au>

Bill Cousert wrote:

> Jeri Ellsworth designed a 16-bit C64 clone.
> http://www.c64upgra.de/c-one/
> I wonder if there are enough coco users left to make a project like this
> worthwhile?

Gary Becker has implemented a Coco 3 on an FPGA (the project homepage 
appears to have been taken down from Yahoo groups). It runs on a few popular 
FPGA evaluation boards, but no-one has designed a coco3-specific hardware 
platform for it (yet). And there's no reason it couldn't be ported to the 
C-one, although as James pointed out, it would be quite expensive!

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From farna at att.net  Mon Jun 15 10:50:37 2009
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:50:37 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
	the C64.
Message-ID: <4A365FBD.4040107@att.net>

And don't forget that Steve Bjork is working on a combination emulation/hardware package that uses a standard PC along with an interface card that plugs into a PCI slot that has CoCo style connectors... or at least that was/is the plan. Price should be considerably less than the C-one, especially since older model P-4 computers can be used and are pretty cheap... if you aren't like me and have a spare P-3 or P-4 lying around anyway! 

---------
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:06:25 -0400
From: jdaggett at gate.net

On 14 Jun 2009 at 22:57, Bill Cousert wrote:
> Jeri Ellsworth designed a 16-bit C64 clone. 
> 
> http://www.c64upgra.de/c-one/
> 
> I wonder if there are enough coco users left to make a project like
> this worthwhile?
> 


This has been discussed before and has led no where. 

Also consider this at $333 Euros (~ $462) for a basic system that will need 
between another $50 to $100 more to make running that becomes a bit 
pricy. 

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From wlhaynes at mindspring.com  Mon Jun 15 11:26:43 2009
From: wlhaynes at mindspring.com (Wesley Haynes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>	<4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>
	<000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com>

Bill wrote:
> You are very welcome to post it on my server
> 
> sq1bbs.com
> port 21
> username: cocoshare
> password: share
> data connection type: Use PORT

Good idea, Bill. Will do.

Oops! I can't seem to connect to your server. Both FTP and web are 
non-responsive. Can you check, please? I'll try again later.

Wes


From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Jun 15 12:41:20 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
	the C64.
In-Reply-To: <4A364DB8.5030505@iinet.net.au>
References: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<23235.88473.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<4A364DB8.5030505@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <4A364170.30378.F5700@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 15 Jun 2009 at 23:33, Mark McDougall wrote:

> Gary Becker has implemented a Coco 3 on an FPGA (the project homepage
> appears to have been taken down from Yahoo groups). It runs on a few
> popular FPGA evaluation boards, but no-one has designed a
> coco3-specific hardware platform for it (yet). And there's no reason
> it couldn't be ported to the C-one, although as James pointed out, it
> would be quite expensive!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> |              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers
> do it |  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less
> resistance!"

Mark 

I have a copy of Gary's work before his webpage went down. Yes it can be 
fairly easily ported to any Xilinx FPGA if you want the basic ROMs internal 
to the FPGA. External ROMS would require some modification if you 
wanted to go into a smaller FPGA. 

Currently his work needs to be in an FPGA with at least 21 block rams in a 
Spartan 3 series. Far less if the Coco ROMs are removed to external 
ROM/Flash.

james. 


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 15 13:02:48 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:02:48 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>	<4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>	<000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>
	<4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com>

Sorry, I had it down for maintenance. Please try again.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Haynes
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:27 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> 
> Oops! I can't seem to connect to your server. Both FTP and web are
> non-responsive. Can you check, please? I'll try again later.
> 




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 01:54:49 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Gotek USB/SD Floppy Drive Replacement for 8
	bit computers etc.
Message-ID: <CCC1756230214FDFA7E895D44A33229B@NewBaby>

An interesting thread on comp.sys.tandy

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.tandy/browse_thread/thread/dfe70937cc57a3e7?hl=en 

The makers' site is in Chinese but Google Translate can give you the gist of it.

Neil


From wlhaynes at mindspring.com  Mon Jun 15 14:36:05 2009
From: wlhaynes at mindspring.com (Wesley Haynes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:36:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>	<4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>	<000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>	<4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com>
	<000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com>

Bill wrote:
> Sorry, I had it down for maintenance. Please try again.
> 

No problem. Look for rainbow index.zip under your upload directory.

Thanks!
Wes



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 15 19:18:09 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:18:09 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig><4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>
	<000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <64791E51F1D34C6DBA11B092F5887550@Dell3Gig>

Bill, I've tried to logon to your FTP site, and it keeps kicking me back to
the password prompt. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:25 AM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> 
> You are very welcome to post it on my server
> 
> sq1bbs.com
> port 21
> username: cocoshare
> password: share
> data connection type: Use PORT
> 
> Please post in the upload directory.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- 
> > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Haynes
> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:55 AM
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> > 
> > Paul Fitch wrote:
> > 
> > If you don't have / want access to the Yahoo group, let me 
> know and I 
> > can post the zip file somewhere else or email it to you or whatever.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Mon Jun 15 19:46:38 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:46:38 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
 the C64.
In-Reply-To: <4A364170.30378.F5700@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <9efa17da0906141403k981b99dl84d4d287f7e4bda5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<23235.88473.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<4A364DB8.5030505@iinet.net.au>
	<4A364170.30378.F5700@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A36DD5E.1090301@iinet.net.au>

jdaggett at gate.net wrote:

> I have a copy of Gary's work before his webpage went down. Yes it can be 
> fairly easily ported to any Xilinx FPGA if you want the basic ROMs internal 
> to the FPGA. External ROMS would require some modification if you 
> wanted to go into a smaller FPGA. 

Thanks James, but I too have a copy and have ported it to an Altera EP2C35 
(Cyclone II) board. I had to mangle the use of SRAM to target hardware with 
a single 16-bit wide SRAM. I also hooked it up to a Gamecube controller to 
emulate the Coco analogue joystick.

Unfortunately, there are one or 2 serious compatibility issues that prevent 
a lot of games from running. I believe that nested GIME interrupts is one of 
them.

I was working on a project based on Gary's design but rather unfortunate 
circumstances has sadly put that on hold atm.

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 15 19:50:09 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <64791E51F1D34C6DBA11B092F5887550@Dell3Gig>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig><4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>	<000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>
	<64791E51F1D34C6DBA11B092F5887550@Dell3Gig>
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I'm sorry. Please try again

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Paul Fitch
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 7:18 PM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> 
> Bill, I've tried to logon to your FTP site, and it keeps kicking me
> back to the password prompt.
> 




From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 15 19:51:56 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:51:56 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>	<4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>	<000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>	<4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com>
	<4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <BCD8B15756204D2A8ECE997D3357BEEA@Dell3Gig>

Wes, thank you.  I couldn't get on Bills FTP site, but I did get it off of
Yahoo's list.
This is a good Start for me.  I'm putting the data into a Microsoft Works
database, which will contain the magazine name, year, vol no, title of
article(al)<sp?>, and the author.  Then a bunch of Yes/No flags for things
like Hardware, software, Coco1/2, Coco3, basic, DECB, Basic09, OS9, OSK, C,
ASM, and Forth. Then a short summary of the contents of the article.  Just
one or two lines.  Once done (if ever<g>) the user will be able query the
data base for things like C programs for Coco1/2 only, or DECB programs, or
OSK C programs ect...

And of course, what makes it a bear, I want to do ALL the scanned magazines
currently available on the Malted FTP site.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Haynes
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:36 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> 
> Bill wrote:
> > Sorry, I had it down for maintenance. Please try again.
> > 
> 
> No problem. Look for rainbow index.zip under your upload directory.
> 
> Thanks!
> Wes
> 
> 
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 15 20:06:48 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:06:48 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>
	<4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <000801c9ee16$588ebb10$09ac3130$@rr.com>

They are also posted on *Square One BBS. You can reach them via the BBS in
Rainbow->Indexes. Available also through the FTP.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Haynes
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:55 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> 
> I extracted the contents of the database and converted to Excel if that
> helps you. It covers the first ten years of Rainbow from July '81 to
> June '91. There are three files: 1) Articles, 2) Reviews, and 3)
> Rainbow on Tape/Disk. Look for rainbow index.zip at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive/files/
> 
> If you don't have / want access to the Yahoo group, let me know and I
> can post the zip file somewhere else or email it to you or whatever.



From tonypodraza at juno.com  Mon Jun 15 23:49:54 2009
From: tonypodraza at juno.com (Tony Podraza)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:49:54 GMT
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
Message-ID: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Off topic or not,  It is only natural to share one another's burdens in a family.  We are family.  I have come to believe that and have stated such, many times in the past, and I stand behind that conviction.
If I have the time correct, at 21:00 EDST, Robert Gibons, father of former Glenside Color Computer Club president, Rob Gibons, passed from this life into the next.  They were very close.  Please remember Rob and his sisters and their families at this time of emotional and spiritual need.  He is a List member, and will see your posts, eventually.  
May He grant you, and yours, comfort and strength, Rob, during this period of separation.  God is in control and will not place on you a burden that you cannot, with His help, carry.
In His grip,
Tony

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From smostrom7 at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 00:03:19 2009
From: smostrom7 at comcast.net (Steve Ostrom)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
In-Reply-To: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1EEC14B9B2B740788944983E231B6320@OstromPC>

Sorry, Rob.  I lost my father in September, so I know what you are going 
through.  This next year will be the hardest when it seems like everything 
you see reminds you of your Dad.  I still get pangs in my gut each time I 
see his handwriting or something he made for me.

Take care.

-- Steve --


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Podraza" <tonypodraza at juno.com>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium


> Off topic or not,  It is only natural to share one another's burdens in a 
> family.  We are family.  I have come to believe that and have stated such, 
> many times in the past, and I stand behind that conviction.
> If I have the time correct, at 21:00 EDST, Robert Gibons, father of former 
> Glenside Color Computer Club president, Rob Gibons, passed from this life 
> into the next.  They were very close.  Please remember Rob and his sisters 
> and their families at this time of emotional and spiritual need.  He is a 
> List member, and will see your posts, eventually.
> May He grant you, and yours, comfort and strength, Rob, during this period 
> of separation.  God is in control and will not place on you a burden that 
> you cannot, with His help, carry.
> In His grip,
> Tony
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Now accepting future chefs! Click to take your cooking skills to the next 
> level.
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>
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From Nuxie at aol.com  Tue Jun 16 00:13:44 2009
From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:13:44 EDT
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
Message-ID: <c09.6147f8b8.376875f8@aol.com>

Wow It doesn't matter how old you are when you lose a parent, it still  
hurts just as much. My prayers are with you. 
(((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))
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From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Jun 16 00:36:54 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
In-Reply-To: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c9ee3c$13a88730$3af99590$@com>

Rob, our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family...

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Tony Podraza
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:50 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium

Off topic or not,  It is only natural to share one another's burdens in a
family.  We are family.  I have come to believe that and have stated such,
many times in the past, and I stand behind that conviction.
If I have the time correct, at 21:00 EDST, Robert Gibons, father of former
Glenside Color Computer Club president, Rob Gibons, passed from this life
into the next.  They were very close.  Please remember Rob and his sisters
and their families at this time of emotional and spiritual need.  He is a
List member, and will see your posts, eventually.  
May He grant you, and yours, comfort and strength, Rob, during this period
of separation.  God is in control and will not place on you a burden that
you cannot, with His help, carry.
In His grip,
Tony

____________________________________________________________
Now accepting future chefs! Click to take your cooking skills to the next
level.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIvk8k5URZ5AM24BdaqsfUCI69
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From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Tue Jun 16 06:19:14 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:19:14 -0400
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
References: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <A18106E95F53401F893A60B3BD278AD6@speedy>

> If I have the time correct, at 21:00 EDST, Robert Gibons, father of former 
> Glenside Color Computer Club president, Rob Gibons, passed from this life 
> into the next.  They were very close.  Please remember Rob and his sisters 
> and their families at this time of emotional and spiritual need.  He is a 
> List member, and will see your posts, eventually.


Rob,
I lost my father last December and my mother 39.75 years ago.  I miss them 
both, but we do learn to live with our losses.  Hold fast to God, he will 
see you through.
Bruce W. 



From brjeremy at juno.com  Tue Jun 16 10:50:00 2009
From: brjeremy at juno.com (brjeremy at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:50:00 GMT
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
Message-ID: <20090616.095000.16318.1@webmail21.dca.untd.com>

We will remember him at Mass.
Your brother in Christ,
Jeremy, CSJW
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From keeper63 at cox.net  Tue Jun 16 11:05:33 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access on
 the C64.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1245160814.78830.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.25.1245160814.78830.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A37B4BD.2010001@cox.net>

> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:50:37 -0400
> From: Frank Swygert <farna at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access
> 	on	the C64.
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Message-ID: <4A365FBD.4040107 at att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> And don't forget that Steve Bjork is working on a combination emulation/hardware package that uses a standard PC along with an interface card that plugs into a PCI slot that has CoCo style connectors... or at least that was/is the plan. Price should be considerably less than the C-one, especially since older model P-4 computers can be used and are pretty cheap... if you aren't like me and have a spare P-3 or P-4 lying around anyway! 

I'm actually not that far away from such a thing with my "emulator box"; 
  well, at least I have the box - with emulators on it, and a 5 1/4" 
drive that works well with it. I have the "main" emulators on it, along 
with a copy of an older version of MESS that runs, but too slowly on it 
to matter (IIRC, the box is a P166 or something like that).

It boots into DOS right now, then I have to manually start an emulator - 
but I could easily see booting straight into the emulator and bypassing 
DOS (if the boot sector was messed with - I know it is possible to do). 
You would still need to set up the custom hardware, and ultimately you 
would still want access to all the tools available (I would think?) - 
seems like a big project to take it to the next level, but doable.

Just my 2 (very lousy) sense...

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jun 16 11:14:24 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:14:24 -0400
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
In-Reply-To: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c9ee95$22576360$67062a20$@rr.com>

We grieve with you, but not for his loss. We grieve for the loss of his
presence, for his contributions, and for his company. 

We rejoice, knowing that he has joined the Father in Heaven. We celebrate
his life and all the things he has touched.

We are indeed a family, and the loss of one affects us all. Our prayers are
with the family, and we hope that his passing will bring someone will come
closer to the Lord, so that they can meet again in Heaven. God bless all.

Your brother in Christ, 
Bill Gordon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tony Podraza
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:50 PM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
> 
> Off topic or not,  It is only natural to share one another's burdens in
> a family.  We are family.  I have come to believe that and have stated
> such, many times in the past, and I stand behind that conviction.
> If I have the time correct, at 21:00 EDST, Robert Gibons, father of
> former Glenside Color Computer Club president, Rob Gibons, passed from
> this life into the next.  They were very close.  Please remember Rob
> and his sisters and their families at this time of emotional and
> spiritual need.  He is a List member, and will see your posts,
> eventually.
> May He grant you, and yours, comfort and strength, Rob, during this
> period of separation.  God is in control and will not place on you a
> burden that you cannot, with His help, carry.
> In His grip,
> Tony
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Now accepting future chefs! Click to take your cooking skills to the
> next level.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIvk8k5URZ5AM24Bdaqsf
> UCI69nAHmJTfZUXBvHfawarzVtfHJnWI/
> 
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From keeper63 at cox.net  Tue Jun 16 11:18:09 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1245160814.78830.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.25.1245160814.78830.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A37B7B1.1040402@cox.net>

 >> If I have the time correct, at 21:00 EDST, Robert Gibons, father of
 >> former Glenside Color Computer Club president, Rob Gibons, passed
 >> from this life into the next.  They were very close.  Please remember
 >> Rob and his sisters and their families at this time of emotional and
 >> spiritual need.  He is a List member, and will see your posts,
 >> eventually.

Rob,

I am sorry to hear about your loss. I lost my father back in 2005, and 
it won't be long before I lose my mother, too, unfortunately.

I try to remember all the good times my father and I had together as I 
grew up; I'll never forget us taking turns at my first CoCo 2 typing in 
that first BASIC program from the book, and finding it wouldn't run 
because we forgot to hit Enter at the end of each line (instead, we 
spaced over!)...

I don't know your age; you may be older than me and know all of this, 
you may be younger and just experiencing it new; it will get better, and 
you'll have the memories, and even if they are a bit painful to 
remember, they are ultimately something to hold on to, and cherish.

If there is anything that we here can do, let us know.

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Tue Jun 16 15:13:39 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:13:39 -0600
Subject: [Coco] In Memorium
In-Reply-To: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20090615.224954.3804.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20090616191339.GA1649@virgo.sdc.org>

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 03:49:54AM +0000, Tony Podraza wrote:
> If I have the time correct, at 21:00 EDST, Robert Gibons, father of
> former Glenside Color Computer Club president, Rob Gibons, passed
> from this life into the next.  

I'm very sorry to hear that.  I know what Rob's going through.

Rob, I feel for you.  After all the nonsense is over, try to get away
from things for a while, put your head back together.  

The world does go on.  Honest.

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From nickma at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun 17 07:28:39 2009
From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:28:39 +1000
Subject: [Coco] GIME chip data collection
Message-ID: <4A38D367.9040706@optusnet.com.au>

I am trying to create a log of chip identification information of the 
CoCo3's GIME chip.

On the top of all GIME chips will be labelling similar to the following...

629 V  C030
2645A0001
TCC1014
(c) TANDY 1986
KOREA      A

This is taken from my GIME chip as an example.

Also include the manufacturer logo. Mine is  "VTI".

So as not to clog this list with these e-mails, please send the data to 
my home e-mail of:

nickma at optusnet.com.au


The purpose of this to try and see if I can create some sort of GIME 
version map, ascertain how many versions of the GIME are out there and 
if there are any unique versions floating around.

Nick Marentes


From petrander at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 14:55:39 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:55:39 +0200
Subject: [Coco] Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for Developers/Programmers
In-Reply-To: <72E2DE596BA04FDF897BA0D7E4008BF5@FANTASYWARE>
References: <6.2.5.6.0.20090601165553.05b74788@coco3.com>
	<4A254121.1010208@sbcglobal.net>
	<72E2DE596BA04FDF897BA0D7E4008BF5@FANTASYWARE>
Message-ID: <dcc956220906171155o4485089eq9974b6657510efcf@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! Yeah, count me in too! Funny I was thinking about something exactly
like that the other day. Telepathy? Morphogenetic resonance?

2009/6/2 RJLCyberPunk <cyberpunk at prtc.net>

> This idea is from CoCo3 Forums here
> http://coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=973
>
> I think is an excellent ideam being a Visual Studio user myself I'd love to
> use such a pluggin from within Visual Basic for example...
>
>
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From farna at att.net  Thu Jun 18 08:48:31 2009
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Emulator Set-ups
Message-ID: <4A3A379F.2040100@att.net>

Heck, in your case I'd can Windows altogether (since MESS won't run) and just use the DOS emulator. Actually, looking back at your message, looks like that might be what you're doing. Do a little research and write a simple batch file menu, including things such as formatting and copying a DECB disk from DOS, and auto boot into the menu. Shouldn't be too hard to have it run the menu upon exiting a called DOS program, but I can't remember if that's easy to do from a batch file or not. 

Most of the lines on the CoCo I/O connector are on a parallel port, or the port can be programmed to mimic them. A few probably can't, but I wonder if there's enough that a program pak would run if an adapter were made. I don't know how programmable the parallel port is anymore! I would think it could be done easy enough, even if a little circuitry was needed in the adapter... something like one of the print wait lines could be used as a CART line, for example. Yeah. I'[m a bit fuzzy on the Cnetronics parallel port right now, but it should have enough lines and be programmable enough to emulate a CoCo cartridge port. The real problem is an emulator would have to be modified to support such an adaptation. I definitely don't have the programming skills to do that! Heck, I don't have the hardware skills to actually make the adaptation, just enough knowledge to look and say "hey, this should be doable..."

--------
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:50:37 -0400
> From: Frank Swygert <farna at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Time for that CoCo 3 ethernet card! Twitter access
> 	on	the C64.

I'm actually not that far away from such a thing with my "emulator box"; 
  well, at least I have the box - with emulators on it, and a 5 1/4" 
drive that works well with it. I have the "main" emulators on it, along 
with a copy of an older version of MESS that runs, but too slowly on it 
to matter (IIRC, the box is a P166 or something like that).

It boots into DOS right now, then I have to manually start an emulator - 
but I could easily see booting straight into the emulator and bypassing 
DOS (if the boot sector was messed with - I know it is possible to do). 
You would still need to set up the custom hardware, and ultimately you 
would still want access to all the tools available (I would think?) - 
seems like a big project to take it to the next level, but doable.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)




From farna at att.net  Thu Jun 18 08:53:01 2009
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:53:01 -0400
Subject: [Coco] GIME chip data collection
Message-ID: <4A3A38AD.50404@att.net>

An interesting project! As far as I recall there were only two versions, 86 and 87, I believe (copyright date). The copyright date should be one of those, and I think the TCC number should be the same for each date, possibly the number above that. I think the first line is a batch/date code, but that might include the second number. Anyway, it will be interesting to see where this goes, will either learn something new, or just verify what has long been held as truth (only two versions). Either way it will be interesting to know for sure!

-----------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:28:39 +1000
From: Nick Marentes <nickma at optusnet.com.au>
S
I am trying to create a log of chip identification information of the 
CoCo3's GIME chip.

On the top of all GIME chips will be labelling similar to the following...

629 V  C030
2645A0001
TCC1014
(c) TANDY 1986
KOREA      A

This is taken from my GIME chip as an example.

Also include the manufacturer logo. Mine is  "VTI".

So as not to clog this list with these e-mails, please send the data to 
my home e-mail of:

nickma at optusnet.com.au


The purpose of this to try and see if I can create some sort of GIME 
version map, ascertain how many versions of the GIME are out there and 
if there are any unique versions floating around.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From keeper63 at cox.net  Thu Jun 18 17:42:43 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:42:43 -0700
Subject: [Coco]  Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for Developers/Programmers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1245333613.32251.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.25.1245333613.32251.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A3AB4D3.90505@cox.net>

> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:55:39 +0200
> From: Fedor Steeman <petrander at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for
> 	Developers/Programmers
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<dcc956220906171155o4485089eq9974b6657510efcf at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Wow! Yeah, count me in too! Funny I was thinking about something exactly
> like that the other day. Telepathy? Morphogenetic resonance?
> 
> 2009/6/2 RJLCyberPunk <cyberpunk at prtc.net>
> 
>> This idea is from CoCo3 Forums here
>> http://coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&f3ile=viewtopic&t=97
>>
>> I think is an excellent ideam being a Visual Studio user myself I'd love to
>> use such a pluggin from within Visual Basic for example...

Personally, I would rather it be an Eclipse plugin - at least then it 
would be available on -all- platforms that also support MESS...

-- Andrew


From keeper63 at cox.net  Thu Jun 18 18:08:49 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:08:49 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Emulator Set-ups
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1245333613.32251.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.25.1245333613.32251.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A3ABAF1.7040304@cox.net>

> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:48:31 -0400
> From: Frank Swygert <farna at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Emulator Set-ups
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Message-ID: <4A3A379F.2040100 at att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Heck, in your case I'd can Windows altogether (since MESS won't run) and just use the DOS emulator. Actually, looking back at your message, looks like that might be what you're doing. Do a little research and write a simple batch file menu, including things such as formatting and copying a DECB disk from DOS, and auto boot into the menu. Shouldn't be too hard to have it run the menu upon exiting a called DOS program, but I can't remember if that's easy to do from a batch file or not. 
> 
> Most of the lines on the CoCo I/O connector are on a parallel port, or the port can be programmed to mimic them. A few probably can't, but I wonder if there's enough that a program pak would run if an adapter were made. I don't know how programmable the parallel port is anymore! I would think it could be done easy enough, even if a little circuitry was needed in the adapter... something like one of the print wait lines could be used as a CART line, for example. Yeah. I'[m a bit fuzzy on the Cnetronics parallel port right now, but it should have enough lines and be programmable enough to emulate a CoCo cartridge port. The real problem is an emulator would have to be modified to support such an adaptation. I definitely don't have the programming skills to do that! Heck, I don't have the hardware skills to actually make the adaptation, just enough knowledge to look and say "hey, this should be doable..."

My emulator box runs DOS only, and I mainly use the DOS emulators (JV's 
CoCo 3 emulator being my favorite) when I have the box in use. It was 
mainly built as a way for me to easily transfer real CoCo disks to DSK 
format, and then migrate them to my Linux box for archiving. I found a 
copy of the last DOS MESS just to see how it compared on the hardware to 
the other DOS emulators, and I found that it would run, but it was very 
slow, due to my hardware (I need to upgrade it at some point, I guess).

What I was meaning about "booting into the emulator" wasn't the idea of 
running a batch file, but instead changing the DOS boot sector to point 
the bootstrap process at the emulator EXE (instead of DOS). This should 
kick off the emulator instantly instead of dropping to DOS - but it 
likely wouldn't fully work, because the emulator is expecting DOS to be 
underneath it for file access (I was hoping my Pink Shirt book would 
answer this, but it seems like it only gives hints).

It would be easily possible to do what you're saying with a batch 
program; setting up a little utility menu wouldn't be too hard, for me 
it would probably be easiest to write it in QuickBasic, PowerBasic, or 
maybe even C (DJGPP) - at one time I could've wrote it in 80x86 
assembler, but I've forgotten most of that!

I don't run Windows here at home - I am currently running Ubuntu (just 
upgraded to 9.04), but before that I had a Mandrake 10.1 box with a more 
recent version of MESS and the CoCo 3 ROMs that worked perfectly. I 
haven't yet set up MESS on my Ubuntu box, I suppose one day I will. I 
could also likely run the DOS emulators just fine in DOSemu as well (I 
have it set up, but I don't have anything really installed under it - I 
was attempting some Basic Stamp development).

As far as "CoCo Interface Hardware" is concerned, it would probably be 
best to simply skip using a parallel port (since they are becoming waay 
more difficult to find) and just go with USB. For me, since I use Linux, 
I would be looking at it as modifications to MESS (if they don't already 
exist) to somehow route the emulated cartridge lines to a USB device, 
and then a custom FTDI chipset-based device (likely using their parallel 
port interface chipset) to connect to a box with the lines that you 
could plug cartridges into. You could probably ignore certain lines that 
maybe game cartridges didn't use, unless you want absolute full 
emulation (it would kinda a hoot to see an RS-232 pak or Disk Controller 
pak running on a modern machine). The device, designed right, could fit 
into a 5.25 bay easily.

I probably have enough hardware and software skills to attempt such a 
project, but other projects have my attention currently...

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From keeper63 at cox.net  Thu Jun 18 18:21:27 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:21:27 -0700
Subject: [Coco] An exciting night!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1245333613.32251.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.25.1245333613.32251.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A3ABDE7.10601@cox.net>

Hey all, thought I'd mention this...

Last night my neighbor's house caught on fire.

My wife was up taking care of my mother (she has dementia) at around 
2:30 am, and she smelled "burning" - she told me later that it smelled 
exactly like when a relay in our A/C unit burned out. She looked around, 
but couldn't find anything burning, but woke me up anyhow. We looked 
around some more, and looking outside we could see a lot of smoke, so we 
called 911, then bundled my mother up, got the dog on a leash, and 
wheeled her out of the house.

Our other neighbors ran by saying "the house next door is on fire - is 
anybody in there?" - and sure enough, it was. Fortunately, nobody was 
living in the house (we know the owners, they were called by other 
neighbors). The fire departments (yep, multiple - we had like 10 engines 
and two departments show up - we live on the border between Phoenix and 
Glendale, so both cities always show up, whether it is fire or police) 
quickly arrived and put the fire out. It was close to 4am by the time it 
was 100 percent confirmed out and they coiled up their hoses.

I have a few pictures on my website:

	http://www.phoenixgarage.org/show_article/86

I guess I had an adrenaline rush or something; I didn't get back to 
sleep for a while, and ended up calling out from work because I was too 
tired to drive or think. A crew came this morning (didn't help with my 
getting more rest) and fenced/boarded up the house.

I hope they had insurance - while they were only using the house for 
storage, it still is an ugly thing to have happen...

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 23:00:23 2009
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:00:23 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for Developers/Programmers
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0906182000i7c104366u295057b6e5889008@mail.gmail.com>

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:55:39 +0200
From: Fedor Steeman <petrander at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for
       Developers/Programmers
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID:
       <dcc956220906171155o4485089eq9974b6657510efcf at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Better yet, instead of developing for Microsoft's buggy bloat-ware,
why not make a plugin for an  Open Source IDE such as Eclipse (and
others) so EVERYONE can enjoy it?


From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au  Fri Jun 19 01:31:14 2009
From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:31:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco]  GIME chip data collection
Message-ID: <52050.99594.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Fellow Coconuts.

Well I have found that you have 2 versions of the 87 Gime Chip. But could be wrong. Maybe the same company just forgot to stamp their company logo on it. VSLI is the most common of the 87 Gime chips. The other 1 I have has no company logo stamped, but does say it was made in Mexico. while the VSLI has no country of manufacture. 
?So the company who made the 87 Gime also made a batch run of 86 Gime's. Hopefully this helps catalogue all known production run Gimes.

laters

Briza





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From nickma at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun 19 05:41:00 2009
From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:41:00 +1000
Subject: [Coco] GIME chip data collection
Message-ID: <4A3B5D2C.3080508@optusnet.com.au>

Thanks to those who have submitted their GIME chip data so far.

I've been adding the info into a spreadsheet and I can see one trend so far.

The first number, possibly a batch number has come in three variants.

A 6xx number which appears to be batches of Korean '86 chips.

A 7xx number which appears to be batches of Mexican '86 chips.

A 8xx number which appears to be batches of Korean '87 chips.

Does this first digit signify a batch? Maybe a version number?

Someone once told me that there were at least 7 revisions of the GIME 
and that the '86 and '87 were the last and final 2 releases. We all know 
that the '86 GIME has more bugs than the '87 so could there be various 
versions of the '86 with different fixes?

Also the chip "model number" is TCC1014 on the Korean '86 chips whereas 
it is TCC1014A on the Mexican '86 and Korean '87 chips. Maybe the Korean 
'86 chips are the buggy ones while the other '86 and the '87 are fixed?

Interestingly, Brother Jeremy's prototype production CoCo3 so far has 
the lowest 6xx number (614) and the "model number" seems to have a name 
.... TCC1014-TEQUILA.

Frank thinks that first number is a batch/date code. Can anyone shed 
more light on these GIME chip markings?

A typical chip has these numbers...

629 V C030
2645A0001
TCC1014
(c) TANDY 1986
KOREA A

There also seems to be two manufacturer logos... VTi and VLSI. Can 
anyone explain what they stand for or even who and where these companies 
are?

I will post the completed list after a few weeks after more data is 
gathered so keep it coming and I'll keep the spreadsheet up to date.

Nick Marentes


From jdaggett at gate.net  Fri Jun 19 09:28:40 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:28:40 -0400
Subject: [Coco] GIME chip data collection
In-Reply-To: <4A3B5D2C.3080508@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4A3B5D2C.3080508@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4A3B5A48.29648.45E35B@jdaggett.gate.net>

Nick

I need a bit more info to help you:

On all the chips the coding following the 6xx/7xx/8xx remain the same?

"V CO30"


Also the second line do they remain the same across all variants? If they are different 
how many variants are there?


This is my best guess as to what info is placed on the chip. 

the 6xx/7xx/8xx more likely is not a date code. I doubt that it is a fab code either. Three 
digit date code followed the convention of first digit of the date code is the last digit of the 
year and thenext two digits would be the week. An example would be 745. That would 
corresspond to xxx7 week 45. The weakness of this is the decade and century 
information is lost unless that is stamped elsewhere. Then that would be duplicate info 
and space is limited on the top surface.

The next five digits "V CO30", could be fabrication facility and/or mask set. each time 
you create a mask set for a particular IC you have to identify the many mask layers. An 
IC can have upwards to 25 or more mask layers to fabricate a single wafer. Any change  
to one layer would generate a new mask set ID. These two were often three to five digits 
with a combination of numbers and letters. 

The actual part number: TCC1014 any improvements to it or revisions for problems or 
even a die shrink would change this part number by addign a revision letter after it. Thus 
you get

TCC1014
TCC1014A
TCC1014x

Then you have the coustomer's name and copyright symbol and year made followed by 
country of origin and the last letter is anyone's guess. 

Interesting that you mention Brother Jeremy's Prototype Coco3 and the markings of that 
GIME chip. Robert Gault and I have had a conversation about the GIME chip off line and 
one point I made to him about the prototype board is that by the date codes I see on the 
chips, the earliest that particular board could have been made was late June/ July time 
frame of 1985!! The ltest date code I see, with a quick glance, on any chip on the 
prototype board was 8523. Twenty-third week of 1985. This would lead me to believe that 
a first engineering run of the GIME chip could have been late 1985 or very very early 
1986, say January/February time frame. The fact that you mentioned the part number as 
TCC1014-Tequila makes me believe that Br Jeremy's GIME is a preproduction chip. 
Very well that chip I mentioned about to Robert. 

Saying this is not in passing. The prototype board has two 74LS189 chips. These are 16 
bit by 4 bot static RAMs. Two chips would make a 16 byte SRAM.exactly the size of the 
color palette RAM. Now here is the interesting part. There is also a TBP28S42 chip on 
the protoype board. This is a 512 byte SRAM. Yes a 512 byte SRAM. Looking back at the 
Tandy R&D memo at items #5, this could be that realization. Furthermore Br. Jeremy's 
Coco3 may be the only one out here in the world that can do the "256 color" mode. If so 
then it would be displayed in the 160x200 resolution mode max. 



hope this helps some

james


On 19 Jun 2009 at 19:41, Nick Marentes wrote:

> Thanks to those who have submitted their GIME chip data so far.
> 
> I've been adding the info into a spreadsheet and I can see one trend
> so far.
> 
> The first number, possibly a batch number has come in three variants.
> 
> A 6xx number which appears to be batches of Korean '86 chips.
> 
> A 7xx number which appears to be batches of Mexican '86 chips.
> 
> A 8xx number which appears to be batches of Korean '87 chips.
> 
> Does this first digit signify a batch? Maybe a version number?
> 
> Someone once told me that there were at least 7 revisions of the GIME
> and that the '86 and '87 were the last and final 2 releases. We all
> know that the '86 GIME has more bugs than the '87 so could there be
> various versions of the '86 with different fixes?
> 
> Also the chip "model number" is TCC1014 on the Korean '86 chips
> whereas it is TCC1014A on the Mexican '86 and Korean '87 chips. Maybe
> the Korean '86 chips are the buggy ones while the other '86 and the
> '87 are fixed?
> 
> Interestingly, Brother Jeremy's prototype production CoCo3 so far has
> the lowest 6xx number (614) and the "model number" seems to have a
> name .... TCC1014-TEQUILA.
> 
> Frank thinks that first number is a batch/date code. Can anyone shed
> more light on these GIME chip markings?
> 
> A typical chip has these numbers...
> 
> 629 V C030
> 2645A0001
> TCC1014
> (c) TANDY 1986
> KOREA A
> 
> There also seems to be two manufacturer logos... VTi and VLSI. Can
> anyone explain what they stand for or even who and where these
> companies are?
> 
> I will post the completed list after a few weeks after more data is
> gathered so keep it coming and I'll keep the spreadsheet up to date.
> 
> Nick Marentes
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco




From jdaggett at gate.net  Fri Jun 19 09:39:45 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:39:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] GIME chip data collection
In-Reply-To: <4A38D367.9040706@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4A38D367.9040706@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4A3B5CE1.31426.500942@jdaggett.gate.net>

Nick one last thing I forgot:

VTi is no longer a company that I can find info about. It may have been 
absorbed by another or just out of business. So chasing that end maybe a 
futile effort. VLSI is still an active Fabrication company. They may not have 
their own line of chips but are a house that designs and manufactures other 
companies designs. That would make sense as Tandy would not have 
invested the millions to build their own fab house. Instead they would 
contract out the design and manufacturing. SO my guess is that VTi was 
the first and either could not meet cost, quality and/or schedule, they 
switched to VLSI. 

james


ps 

Yes I do believe now more so that at one time there was at least a few 
Coco3's out there that could have had the "256 color" mode. How many still 
exist today is more likey a handfull. 



On 17 Jun 2009 at 21:28, Nick Marentes wrote:

> I am trying to create a log of chip identification information of the
> CoCo3's GIME chip.
> 
> On the top of all GIME chips will be labelling similar to the
> following...
> 
> 629 V  C030
> 2645A0001
> TCC1014
> (c) TANDY 1986
> KOREA      A
> 
> This is taken from my GIME chip as an example.
> 
> Also include the manufacturer logo. Mine is  "VTI".
> 
> So as not to clog this list with these e-mails, please send the data
> to my home e-mail of:
> 
> nickma at optusnet.com.au
> 
> 
> The purpose of this to try and see if I can create some sort of GIME
> version map, ascertain how many versions of the GIME are out there and
> if there are any unique versions floating around.
> 
> Nick Marentes
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco




From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 11:26:23 2009
From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:26:23 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for
	Developers/Programmers
Message-ID: <h1gamv+s6td@eGroups.com>


>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:55:39 +0200
>From: Fedor Steeman
>Subject: Re: [Coco] Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for
>Developers/Programmers
>To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>Message-ID:
...
>
>Better yet, instead of developing for Microsoft's buggy bloat-ware,
>why not make a plugin for an Open Source IDE such as Eclipse (and
>others) so EVERYONE can enjoy it? 

I have to agree.  The Atari 8 bit fans are developing a plug in for Eclipse and it looks pretty good, no reason we can't do the same.

http://www.wudsn.com/




From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jun 19 11:48:18 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:48:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] GIME chip data collection
In-Reply-To: <4A3B5A48.29648.45E35B@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4A3B5D2C.3080508@optusnet.com.au>
	<4A3B5A48.29648.45E35B@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <4A3BB342.4050905@worldnet.att.net>

jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> Nick
> 
> I need a bit more info to help you:
> 
> On all the chips the coding following the 6xx/7xx/8xx remain the same?
> 
> "V CO30"
> 

James,

My '86 Korean GIME is labeled
  623 V B823
  2645A0001


From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 16:22:57 2009
From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:22:57 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Visual Studio CoCo Pluggin for
	Developers/Programmers
In-Reply-To: <h1gamv+s6td@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <h1gs31+o8nu@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" <jdiffendaffer at ...> wrote:

> I have to agree.  The Atari 8 bit fans are developing a plug in for Eclipse and it looks pretty good, no reason we can't do the same.
> 
> http://www.wudsn.com/

If someone uses Notepad++ it's pretty easy to add the syntax highlighting.  It took me about 15 minutes to add a 6809 syntax. 

It would require standardizing extension names though since some of us program for different CPUs.  I've seen extensions of ".s", ".asm", "a09", etc.  The generic ones are used on all processors and there would be a conflict.  I think that goes for any development tool we use with syntax highlighting.



From Torsten at Dittel.info  Sat Jun 20 08:05:06 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:05:06 +0200
Subject: [Coco] GIME chip data collection
In-Reply-To: <4A3BB342.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
References: <4A3B5D2C.3080508@optusnet.com.au>	<4A3B5A48.29648.45E35B@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<4A3BB342.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <h1ij9f$gop$1@ger.gmane.org>

All,

maybe we should not only collect the GIME numbers but also the 
information about the CoCo3 it was found in (in the case it is still the 
original GIME the CoCo was bought with, I know many upgraded the GIME)

So other interesting information would be:

1) Original or replacement GIME?
If the answer is "replacement", people might be able to answer the 
questions below, if they have the original one still flying around.
If the answer is "original":
2) NTSC or Australian PAL CoCo?
3) USA or Korea made CoCo3?
4) Mainboard Revision?
5) Serial Number of the CoCo3?
6) Date when bought (only if bought first-hand. I know this might be a 
difficult question, but some might remember at least the year)?
7) Place where bought (if bought first-hand)?

Torsten




From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun 20 13:27:46 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:27:46 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
In-Reply-To: <BCD8B15756204D2A8ECE997D3357BEEA@Dell3Gig>
References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net>	<016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig>	<4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com>	<000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com>	<4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com>
	<BCD8B15756204D2A8ECE997D3357BEEA@Dell3Gig>
Message-ID: <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig>

Status Update - The database Grows!  Thanks to Tims help, I now have over
7,000 entries into the database. That's roughly 7,000 articles, reviews,
tutorials and editorials.  Cool, right.  Not hardly.  My rough estimate is
I'm at best at about 50%.  I still need to add the last few years of
Rainbow(US), then Rainbow(AUS), Hot Coco, CCM, ect...  Plus I need to go
thru the ten years Tim sent me and add info concerning content.

If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to email this early version for your
comments.  I don't want to post it to any archive sites just yet tho,
because its too unfinished. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Paul Fitch
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 7:52 PM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> 
> Wes, thank you.  I couldn't get on Bills FTP site, but I did 
> get it off of Yahoo's list.
> This is a good Start for me.  I'm putting the data into a 
> Microsoft Works database, which will contain the magazine 
> name, year, vol no, title of article(al)<sp?>, and the 
> author.  Then a bunch of Yes/No flags for things like 
> Hardware, software, Coco1/2, Coco3, basic, DECB, Basic09, 
> OS9, OSK, C, ASM, and Forth. Then a short summary of the 
> contents of the article.  Just one or two lines.  Once done 
> (if ever<g>) the user will be able query the data base for 
> things like C programs for Coco1/2 only, or DECB programs, or 
> OSK C programs ect...
> 
> And of course, what makes it a bear, I want to do ALL the 
> scanned magazines currently available on the Malted FTP site.  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
> > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Haynes
> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:36 PM
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes
> > 
> > Bill wrote:
> > > Sorry, I had it down for maintenance. Please try again.
> > > 
> > 
> > No problem. Look for rainbow index.zip under your upload directory.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Wes
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> > 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com  Sun Jun 21 07:12:37 2009
From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
Message-ID: <200906211112.n5LBCmLX028902@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>

Hi all,

We've had an uptick in fake subcription requests in multiple lists 
and sites than I manage. Usually these could be filtered out because 
the robots wouldn't put in a real name. But now they are coming with 
the full form filled in -- the past three requests to the CoCo list 
have been bogus.

So assistant admins please do not subscribe anyone immediately 
anymore. Check if their name and email plus "color computer" or 
"coco" or "trs-80" or "tandy" come up in a search. That will give you 
some reassurance that the subscriber is real.

If you have any doubt, reject the request with a brief note about new 
smart bots and that they should contact the admin with a line or two 
about their CoCo interests. I'll get the followup email if they're real.

Thanks,
Dennis








Country Stores book!
<http://www.amazon.com/Country-Stores-Vermont-Dennis-Bathory-kitsz/dp/1596294752/>
Bathory Opera libretto!
<http://www.lulu.com/content/5649281>
"We Are All Mozart"
<http://maltedmedia.com/waam/>



From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 21 09:03:57 2009
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:03:57 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
In-Reply-To: <200906211112.n5LBCmLX028902@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
References: <200906211112.n5LBCmLX028902@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
Message-ID: <48858C96-7BBE-4794-ACA5-FF33FD0E0166@earthlink.net>

Wow.  I wonder if this is related to the "canned meat email" I've  
been seeing, where the sender's address is my own?  Fortunately,  
Earthlink puts any mail from me that is to me in the Junk folder, or  
I would be getting numerous messages every day from myself --  
messages that I in no way sent.

Are these "real names" actual people who have made posts to the list  
in the past but are now under a new email address?

On Jun 21, 2009, at Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 7:12 AM, Dennis Bathory- 
Kitsz wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We've had an uptick in fake subcription requests in multiple lists  
> and sites than I manage. Usually these could be filtered out  
> because the robots wouldn't put in a real name. But now they are  
> coming with the full form filled in -- the past three requests to  
> the CoCo list have been bogus.
>
> So assistant admins please do not subscribe anyone immediately  
> anymore. Check if their name and email plus "color computer" or  
> "coco" or "trs-80" or "tandy" come up in a search. That will give  
> you some reassurance that the subscriber is real.
>
> If you have any doubt, reject the request with a brief note about  
> new smart bots and that they should contact the admin with a line  
> or two about their CoCo interests. I'll get the followup email if  
> they're real.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Country Stores book!
> <http://www.amazon.com/Country-Stores-Vermont-Dennis-Bathory-kitsz/ 
> dp/1596294752/>
> Bathory Opera libretto!
> <http://www.lulu.com/content/5649281>
> "We Are All Mozart"
> <http://maltedmedia.com/waam/>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

~~~|=|~~~
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HRUBIK APPRAISAL SERVICES
Appraisal & Appraisal Review
Consulting & Litigation Support
V/F-(330)745-8435 : C-(330)472-3023
email : jimhrubik at earthlink.net
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blog : http://hrubikappraisal.blogspot.com/



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 21 09:42:44 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:42:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Another GIME quirk - looks important!
Message-ID: <4A3E38D4.7090409@worldnet.att.net>

Here is some quite strange behavior in an '87 GIME. Could be a bug but 
it also indicates there are still some hidden "features" existing in all 
retail Coco3s.

The recent thread on oddball Coco3 graphics modes was an attempt to 
obtain information on the internal workings of the GIME. Further 
exploration in this vein discovered a VSYNC circuit interaction with 
oddball video settings.

$FF98 bits 2 1 0
            1 1 1   reserved - seems to repeat the first horizontal row
                               for all other rows

$FF99 bits 6 5
            1 0     reserved - some speculation on 210 lines per field,
                               actually something else

$FF93 bit  5       FIRQ Timer
            3       FIRQ VSYNC

If you set $FF98 Lines Per Row = 111 and $FF99 Line Per Field = 10, FIRQ 
VSYNC no longer functions! This is the first hard evidence for why you 
lose the upper and lower borders with LPF=10 and/or get screen scrolling.

This is not likely to be of any use in programming but it does reflect 
the inner workings of the GIME.


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 21 09:46:50 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:46:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
In-Reply-To: <48858C96-7BBE-4794-ACA5-FF33FD0E0166@earthlink.net>
References: <200906211112.n5LBCmLX028902@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
	<48858C96-7BBE-4794-ACA5-FF33FD0E0166@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4A3E39CA.8030504@worldnet.att.net>

I just started using Zone Alarm as a firewall. The program keeps a log 
of all attempts to access ports on your PC. It is amazing how many 
attempts there are to route data through your machine from suspect sources.


From coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com  Sun Jun 21 16:48:45 2009
From: coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:48:45 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
In-Reply-To: <48858C96-7BBE-4794-ACA5-FF33FD0E0166@earthlink.net>
References: <200906211112.n5LBCmLX028902@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
	<48858C96-7BBE-4794-ACA5-FF33FD0E0166@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <16DAEEB4-D179-447E-9E5B-25D14A604EC5@jeanpaulsamson.com>

On Jun 21, 2009, at 7:03 AM, James Hrubik wrote:
> Wow.  I wonder if this is related to the "canned meat email" I've  
> been seeing, where the sender's address is my own?  Fortunately,  
> Earthlink puts any mail from me that is to me in the Junk folder, or  
> I would be getting numerous messages every day from myself --  
> messages that I in no way sent.

There's an even nastier one.  I've had spammers who get a hold of my e- 
mail address/domain name (not too difficult to do) and start using it  
as the "sender" in their bulk e-mails.  Then you start getting tons of  
rejected mail back that you never sent.  Eventually, I had to cancel  
my address/domain because it became such a big problem.

-- JP



From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net  Sun Jun 21 17:08:34 2009
From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:08:34 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
In-Reply-To: <200906211112.n5LBCmLX028902@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
References: <200906211112.n5LBCmLX028902@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
Message-ID: <72B934F04EA64DAF89AA926C8770B5AE@Dell3Gig>

Are humans involved in any portion of the fake subscription process?  Ie,
would the bots be able to pass the "please enter the numbers you see in the
box above" test?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Bathory-Kitsz
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:13 AM
> To: cocoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We've had an uptick in fake subcription requests in multiple 
> lists and sites than I manage. Usually these could be 
> filtered out because the robots wouldn't put in a real name. 
> But now they are coming with the full form filled in -- the 
> past three requests to the CoCo list have been bogus.
> 
> So assistant admins please do not subscribe anyone 
> immediately anymore. Check if their name and email plus 
> "color computer" or "coco" or "trs-80" or "tandy" come up in 
> a search. That will give you some reassurance that the 
> subscriber is real.
> 
> If you have any doubt, reject the request with a brief note 
> about new smart bots and that they should contact the admin 
> with a line or two about their CoCo interests. I'll get the 
> followup email if they're real.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Country Stores book!
> <http://www.amazon.com/Country-Stores-Vermont-Dennis-Bathory-k
> itsz/dp/1596294752/>
> Bathory Opera libretto!
> <http://www.lulu.com/content/5649281>
> "We Are All Mozart"
> <http://maltedmedia.com/waam/>
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From rob.coco at zaphod.tzo.com  Sun Jun 21 22:47:45 2009
From: rob.coco at zaphod.tzo.com (Rob Rosenbrock)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:47:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
Message-ID: <4dp67d3tx310nkr.210620092245@zaphod.tzo.com>

Or, perhaps, a coco related question?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Paul Fitch" <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: 6/21/09 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Smart subscription bots

Are humans involved in any portion of the fake subscription process?  Ie,
would the bots be able to pass the "please enter the numbers you see in the
box above" test?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Bathory-Kitsz
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:13 AM
> To: cocoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We've had an uptick in fake subcription requests in multiple 
> lists and sites than I manage. Usually these could be 
> filtered out because the robots wouldn't put in a real name. 
> But now they are coming with the full form filled in -- the 
> past three requests to the CoCo list have been bogus.
> 
> So assistant admins please do not subscribe anyone 
> immediately anymore. Check if their name and email plus 
> "color computer" or "coco" or "trs-80" or "tandy" come up in 
> a search. That will give you some reassurance that the 
> subscriber is real.
> 
> If you have any doubt, reject the request with a brief note 
> about new smart bots and that they should contact the admin 
> with a line or two about their CoCo interests. I'll get the 
> followup email if they're real.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Country Stores book!
> <http://www.amazon.com/Country-Stores-Vermont-Dennis-Bathory-k
> itsz/dp/1596294752/>
> Bathory Opera libretto!
> <http://www.lulu.com/content/5649281>
> "We Are All Mozart"
> <http://maltedmedia.com/waam/>
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 


--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco




From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 22 00:54:29 2009
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:54:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
In-Reply-To: <4dp67d3tx310nkr.210620092245@zaphod.tzo.com>
References: <4dp67d3tx310nkr.210620092245@zaphod.tzo.com>
Message-ID: <4A3F0E85.8090608@embarqmail.com>

Rob Rosenbrock wrote:
> Or, perhaps, a coco related question?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Paul Fitch" <pfitchjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: 6/21/09 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
> 
> Are humans involved in any portion of the fake subscription process?  Ie,
> would the bots be able to pass the "please enter the numbers you see in the
> box above" test?
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dennis 
>> Bathory-Kitsz
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:13 AM
>> To: cocoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We've had an uptick in fake subcription requests in multiple 
>> lists and sites than I manage. Usually these could be 
>> filtered out because the robots wouldn't put in a real name. 
>> But now they are coming with the full form filled in -- the 
>> past three requests to the CoCo list have been bogus.
>>
>> So assistant admins please do not subscribe anyone 
>> immediately anymore. Check if their name and email plus 
>> "color computer" or "coco" or "trs-80" or "tandy" come up in 
>> a search. That will give you some reassurance that the 
>> subscriber is real.
>>
>> If you have any doubt, reject the request with a brief note 
>> about new smart bots and that they should contact the admin 
>> with a line or two about their CoCo interests. I'll get the 
>> followup email if they're real.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Country Stores book!
>> <http://www.amazon.com/Country-Stores-Vermont-Dennis-Bathory-k
>> itsz/dp/1596294752/>
>> Bathory Opera libretto!
>> <http://www.lulu.com/content/5649281>
>> "We Are All Mozart"
>> <http://maltedmedia.com/waam/>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 
Yes they would if they know what to look for. That information has to 
stay in memory until it is compared.

Best bet would be to approve everyone. Put a message somewhere telling 
applicants to email you with user name. Then to a whois and a traceroute.

I get about 40 to 60 request per day. Only 1 or 2 even look like they 
are ligitiment and most of those turn out to be from Canada or the 
British Virgin Islands.

Question I  have...
I use SMF for my forum software. If you find my website on the web   you 
will get an address to several pages of HTML. In that group is a 
navigation menu.

The link to the forum software on the server is only accessible via a 
link to a directory on the server.

Are the spam message inserted at the server level or on the internet wire?

Dave

-- 
I was with my children at the moment of their breath.
I stood by my father at the moment of his death.
I stand by you at this moment, forever.


From keeper63 at cox.net  Mon Jun 22 11:16:32 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:16:32 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1245679211.99866.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.11.1245679211.99866.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A3FA050.8080307@cox.net>

> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:54:29 -0500
> From: Dave Kelly <daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Smart subscription bots
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <4A3F0E85.8090608 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Yes they would if they know what to look for. That information has to 
> stay in memory until it is compared.

I'm not sure what you mean by that; if the server is set up properly, a 
client should have no access to the server's memory. The server should 
generate the captcha as an image, store the real value of the captcha 
into a session variable (maybe one that expires in 5 minutes), and show 
the image to the user (client). When the server gets the POST response 
with the form variable containing the user-submitted captcha 
information, compare it with the session variable and if it matches, good.

The trick is in coming up with a captcha message (image) that will fool 
a bot but not be impossible to decipher by a human. There are numerous 
site plugins and such available for this purpose that allow the 
regeneration of the captcha by the user if they can read it. Some make 
you enter two words instead of one (separated by a space). I haven't 
seen a system like this, but perhaps you could have them answer a 
question (coco related), but generate the questions and answers (simple 
one or two word answers) as "captcha-style" images (ie, warped 
letters/colors/fonts/spacing/etc), and have the user type their answer? 
Or make them answer a question about another page on the site (on this 
page at this link, what is the fourth word from the right ten lines down 
that is the color purple?).

Eventually you get to a point where you might tick off actual people 
trying to join, unfortunately.

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Jun 23 14:10:20 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:10:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator
Message-ID: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>

Seems Apple banned a licensed C64 emulator from the iphone app store. Not
that the iphone would be the best place to do emulation but, the future
awaits.

 

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42948/140/



From cocomalt at 6809.org.uk  Tue Jun 23 14:20:03 2009
From: cocomalt at 6809.org.uk (Ciaran Anscomb)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:20:03 +0100
Subject: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator
In-Reply-To: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com> 
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
Message-ID: <10558.1245781203@torch.6809.org.uk>

"Tom Seagrove" wrote:
> Seems Apple banned a licensed C64 emulator from the iphone app store. Not
> that the iphone would be the best place to do emulation but, the future
> awaits.
> 
> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42948/140/

Ah well, at least that kills off the temptation to get another Apple
product just to port XRoar to it.  Money: saved!

Now, if only they'd hurry up with that Pandora...

..ciaran
-- 
Ciaran Anscomb, Perl/C Hacker


From boisy at tee-boy.com  Tue Jun 23 22:38:52 2009
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:38:52 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator
In-Reply-To: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
Message-ID: <DEE29F66-1AAC-4C00-B7A0-DDC41DEDE639@tee-boy.com>

As someone who makes his living consulting and developing on Apple's  
products, I have to say that this is truly a stupid limitation.  Apple  
really needs to get over their pettiness about control and modify  
their SDK agreement to accommodate emulators such as these.  My guess  
is they will, after the pressure is on them for a while.

I would love to see a CoCo emulator on my iPhone.



On Jun 23, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Tom Seagrove wrote:

> Seems Apple banned a licensed C64 emulator from the iphone app  
> store. Not
> that the iphone would be the best place to do emulation but, the  
> future
> awaits.
>
>
>
> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42948/140/
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Jun 23 22:50:48 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:50:48 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator
In-Reply-To: <DEE29F66-1AAC-4C00-B7A0-DDC41DEDE639@tee-boy.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
	<DEE29F66-1AAC-4C00-B7A0-DDC41DEDE639@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <015301c9f476$944ecbc0$bcec6340$@com>

Their point was that it executed code outside of their API.  Seems like
these should be exempt as they are executing inside a "shell" and to
communicate outside, the emulator would go through the API.

Oh Well, maybe someday.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Boisy Pitre
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:39 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator

As someone who makes his living consulting and developing on Apple's  
products, I have to say that this is truly a stupid limitation.  Apple  
really needs to get over their pettiness about control and modify  
their SDK agreement to accommodate emulators such as these.  My guess  
is they will, after the pressure is on them for a while.

I would love to see a CoCo emulator on my iPhone.



On Jun 23, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Tom Seagrove wrote:

> Seems Apple banned a licensed C64 emulator from the iphone app  
> store. Not
> that the iphone would be the best place to do emulation but, the  
> future
> awaits.
>
>
>
> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42948/140/
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


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From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Fri Jun 26 01:49:38 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:49:38 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator
In-Reply-To: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
Message-ID: <5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>

"The first ever iPhone application with nudity ("Hottest Girls" $US1.99) was 
accepted into the App store yesterday, only to be made unavailable 24 hours 
later - apparently by the developers and due to high demand, rather than 
Apple pulling it."

What? There's pron on the internet?

Neil

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tom Seagrove" <tjseagrove at writeme.com>

> Seems Apple banned a licensed C64 emulator from the iphone app store. Not
> that the iphone would be the best place to do emulation but, the future
> awaits.
 



From nickma at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun 26 05:09:43 2009
From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:09:43 +1000
Subject: [Coco] GIME chip information data
Message-ID: <4A449057.2070200@optusnet.com.au>

It doesn't seem like I'm getting anymore submissions for GIME chip data 
so here is what I've collected. Thank you to all those who submitted data.

Analysis of the following data would indicate that there were possibly 3 
series of production GIME's, 6xx, 7xx and 8xx.

There were 2 manufacturers, VTI and VLSI. The VLSI manufactured chips 
had an A at the end of the chip number (TCC1014A).


623 V B769   2645A0001  TCC1014   Tandy 1986 KOREA A  VTI
623 V B823   2645A0001  TCC1014   Tandy 1986 KOREA A  VTI
623 V B825   2645A0001  TCC1014   Tandy 1986 KOREA A  VTI
625 V C027   2645A0001  TCC1014   Tandy 1986 KOREA A  VTI
625 V C135   2645A0001  TCC1014   Tandy 1986 KOREA A  VTI
627 V C192   2645A0001  TCC1014   Tandy 1986 MEXICO R VTI
627 V 8917   2645A0001  TCC1014   Tandy 1986 MEXICO R VTI
629 V C030   2645A0001  TCC1014   Tandy 1986 KOREA A   
733 Z X323   2838-0001  TCC1014A  Tandy 1987 MEXICO R VLSI
737 Z X482R  2838-0001  TCC1014A  Tandy 1987 MEXICO R VLSI
746 Z X546   2838-0001  TCC1014A  Tandy 1987 KOREA A  VLSI
807 Z X555Q  2838-0001  TCC1014A  Tandy 1987 KOREA A  VLSI
824AV M9823  2838-0001  TCC1014A  Tandy 1987          VLSI

As a comparison, the numbers below are from Brother Jeremy's prototype 
CoCo3. It seems to have a code name of "Tequila".

615 V VB140
05ES VC 2645A
TCC1014-TEQUILA
VTI

Can anyone else add to this analysis?



From random_rodder at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 26 07:21:23 2009
From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:21:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator
In-Reply-To: <5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I'm not 100% sure that pictures of partially naked women equal the definition of 'porn,' but, who am I to say? I saw the same articles yesterday, including one for the 'My Vibe' app that may make some of those same women semi-happy. I find it ironic that Apple banned an 8-bit emulator yet is allowing these apps...


Brian




________________________________
From: Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:49:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator

"The first ever iPhone application with nudity ("Hottest Girls" $US1.99) was accepted into the App store yesterday, only to be made unavailable 24 hours later - apparently by the developers and due to high demand, rather than Apple pulling it."

What? There's pron on the internet?

Neil

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tom Seagrove" <tjseagrove at writeme.com>

> Seems Apple banned a licensed C64 emulator from the iphone app store. Not
> that the iphone would be the best place to do emulation but, the future
> awaits.



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From keeper63 at cox.net  Fri Jun 26 11:15:09 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:15:09 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 73, Issue 31
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1246024812.93839.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.21.1246024812.93839.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A44E5FD.7090307@cox.net>

> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:21:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brian Blake <random_rodder at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Banned C64 Emulator
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <360089.98139.qm at web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I'm not 100% sure that pictures of partially naked women equal the definition of 'porn,' but, who am I to say? I saw the same articles yesterday, including one for the 'My Vibe' app that may make some of those same women semi-happy. I find it ironic that Apple banned an 8-bit emulator yet is allowing these apps...
> 
> 
> Brian

First off, Brian - anything can equal the "definition of porn" in 
somebody's eyes. If you can think of it, there is a high likelyhood of 
it being on the internet: rule 34. The problem with the "I know it when 
I see it" mindset of the supreme court and porn is a fallacy - I am 
certain I could show those justices many images and/or videos that they 
wouldn't recognize as porn; if they did, then I would definitely be able 
to know who has interesting kinks.

That aside, I also know why Apple pulled the emulator, but not this 
"porn" app: money. An emulator might eat into their profits (not sure 
how, but that is how they probably see it), but that porn app is sure to 
bring in a ton of money for them (and the developers). I wouldn't be 
surprised if they offered the developers high-traffic hosting space for 
the application (not sure how i-phone app downloads are set up - if they 
were seeing high traffic and then pulled it, I assume it is because the 
developers have to host the file for download and they didn't have the 
bandwidth - I can think of other reasons, but this seems the most likely 
from my limited perspective).

I tend to wonder what they would do if the emulator happened to be an 
Apple IIe emulator (running Montezuma's Revenge, or even better, Bolo - 
btw, why hasn't anyone created a Bolo clone for the CoCo?)...?

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From random_rodder at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 15:27:39 2009
From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:27:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>
	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Anybody else having issues with Roger's site? I try to log into coco3.com and it tells me "Sorry, no corresponding user info was found"


Brian


      


From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net  Mon Jun 29 15:31:50 2009
From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:31:50 -0700
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>

It's working fine.

It's not uncommon for a site to be "down" on the net and be back working 
a few minutes later.
As in this case.

Steve

Brian Blake wrote:
> Anybody else having issues with Roger's site? I try to log into coco3.com and it tells me "Sorry, no corresponding user info was found"
>
>
> Brian
>   


From random_rodder at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 16:13:26 2009
From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:13:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>
	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
Message-ID: <848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I know this. However, it's being very selective since I have been unable to log ing from home or work since Saturday... It simply does not know who I am...




________________________________
From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:31:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] coco3.com

It's working fine.

It's not uncommon for a site to be "down" on the net and be back working 
a few minutes later.
As in this case.

Steve

Brian Blake wrote:
> Anybody else having issues with Roger's site? I try to log into coco3.com and it tells me "Sorry, no corresponding user info was found"
>
>
> Brian
>? 

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From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net  Mon Jun 29 16:36:57 2009
From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:36:57 -0700
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
	<848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A4925E9.6090709@bjork-huffman.net>

I've log-off and logged back in and it works just fine.
I would double check your user name and password.

Steve

Brian Blake wrote:
> I know this. However, it's being very selective since I have been unable to log ing from home or work since Saturday... It simply does not know who I am...
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:31:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] coco3.com
>
> It's working fine.
>
> It's not uncommon for a site to be "down" on the net and be back working 
> a few minutes later.
> As in this case.
>
> Steve
>   



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 17:12:32 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:12:32 -0600
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>
	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
	<848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0906291412k47fdbf51x895b8bc0fea45c79@mail.gmail.com>

Something has definitely happened to the forum membership.  I noticed
that Roger's screen name no longer apperars as moderator on any of the
forum catagories and has been removed from the membership list.  All
of his posts under that name are gone too.

One long-time member's screen name was just recently shown as "newest
member". It looks like some names may have gotten purged.

Darren

-----------

On 6/29/09, Brian Blake <random_rodder at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know this. However, it's being very selective since I have been unable to
> log ing from home or work since Saturday... It simply does not know who I
> am...
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Bjork
>
> It's working fine.
>
> It's not uncommon for a site to be "down" on the net and be back working
> a few minutes later.
> As in this case.
>
> Steve
>
> Brian Blake wrote:
>> Anybody else having issues with Roger's site? I try to log into coco3.com
>> and it tells me "Sorry, no corresponding user info was found"
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 29 15:53:58 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:53:58 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009201c9f8f3$57a767a0$06f636e0$@rr.com>

I just logged in without a hitch.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Brian Blake
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:28 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
> 
> Anybody else having issues with Roger's site? I try to log into
> coco3.com and it tells me "Sorry, no corresponding user info was found"
> 




From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 29 15:57:13 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:57:13 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
Message-ID: <009601c9f8f3$cbbe5680$633b0380$@rr.com>

Yeah, mine does that constantly ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Steve Bjork
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:32 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] coco3.com
> 
> It's working fine.
> 
> It's not uncommon for a site to be "down" on the net and be back
> working a few minutes later. As in this case.
> 




From aawolfe at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 17:37:47 2009
From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>
	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
	<848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e44ad6640906291437j80af346q38159f00fcdb040f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Brian Blake<random_rodder at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know this. However, it's being very selective since I have been unable to log ing from home or work since Saturday... It simply does not know who I am...

Chances are your browser has cached credentials or a cookie that
refers to an account that isn't working for whatever reason.
Clearing cookies and stored passwords will probably allow you to at
least see the page properly as a guest.


>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:31:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] coco3.com
>
> It's working fine.
>
> It's not uncommon for a site to be "down" on the net and be back working
> a few minutes later.
> As in this case.
>
> Steve
>
> Brian Blake wrote:
>> Anybody else having issues with Roger's site? I try to log into coco3.com and it tells me "Sorry, no corresponding user info was found"
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>
>
>
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From alsplace at pobox.com  Mon Jun 29 18:56:28 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:56:28 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco25.com renewal
Message-ID: <7803B41D-FDA3-49AB-8F96-B0777150C67A@pobox.com>

I registered coco25.com a few years ago for promoting the 25th  
anniversary of the CoCoFest. I am letting the domain expire now, in  
case anyone wants it for anything. It was also the home for the coco  
wiki before I registered cocopedia.com.

Times are tough and money is tight, so dropping domains I don't need  
to keep.

		-- A



From operator at coco3.com  Mon Jun 29 21:02:50 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:02:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>
	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
	<848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090629194952.04ba8238@coco3.com>

At 03:13 PM 6/29/2009, you wrote:
>I know this. However, it's being very selective since I have been 
>unable to log ing from home or work since Saturday... It simply does 
>not know who I am...



Notice to all coco3.com users:

I don't know who it is, how they do it, or why they do it, but in the 
past there have been a handful of attacks aimed mainly at repeat and 
heavy users.  With the removal of Briza's account AND the removal of 
my moderator status in all forums (I can't recall if I even needed 
that option as an admin), someone has either injected some MySQL hack 
code somehow to do this job or they manually broke in and did it.

I realize that most forums are under attack daily by whoever does 
this crap but when a specific VIP user and the admin himself are the 
only two apparent targets, this screams of an inside job.

The cute part about this is that it's happened before, in various 
fashions, and the site is not going away.  Hack, break, inject, poke, 
prod, attack, curse, swear, or whatever seems fit at the time of 
madness, but it goes down in history as yet again nothing but wasted 
time and efforts from the attacker.  It's a day, a week, a month, 
you'll never get back.

I do have backups and also monitor logs, so when I get the time I'll 
do what was done a year or two ago and spend 3 days straight studying 
the logs until I find the Internet Service Provider and User of the 
culprit.  If this turns up nothing then I'll assume the typical 
attack but then they sure are one lucky jerk to hit my account and 
Briza's.  Wow.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From random_rodder at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 21:44:04 2009
From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:44:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <e44ad6640906291437j80af346q38159f00fcdb040f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com>
	<5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby>
	<360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4A4916A6.3000808@bjork-huffman.net>
	<848710.38500.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<e44ad6640906291437j80af346q38159f00fcdb040f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <851026.63750.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I don't think so. Again, I have tried on multiple PC's with the same effect. And since Roger has chimed in on the issue, it looks like was correct after all; my account was deleted...


Brian




________________________________
From: Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:37:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] coco3.com

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Brian Blake<random_rodder at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know this. However, it's being very selective since I have been unable to log ing from home or work since Saturday... It simply does not know who I am...

Chances are your browser has cached credentials or a cookie that
refers to an account that isn't working for whatever reason.
Clearing cookies and stored passwords will probably allow you to at
least see the page properly as a guest.


>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:31:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] coco3.com
>
> It's working fine.
>
> It's not uncommon for a site to be "down" on the net and be back working
> a few minutes later.
> As in this case.
>
> Steve
>
> Brian Blake wrote:
>> Anybody else having issues with Roger's site? I try to log into coco3.com and it tells me "Sorry, no corresponding user info was found"
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>
>
>
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From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jun 30 10:05:50 2009
From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:05:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
Message-ID: <926112.64105.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Fellow Coconuts.

Hey Rodder. your not the only one to get that message in Rogers' website. All my History in there has been wiped out. over 300 odd posts I made are gone. Even trying to log in gave me a message No History of username found.
?Roger told me his looking into it.
?All you can do is wait for Roger to find your history or sign up again like I did.


laters

Briza





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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Tue Jun 30 11:11:14 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:11:14 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <926112.64105.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <926112.64105.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A4A2B12.3080801@worldnet.att.net>

brian palmer wrote:
> Hi Fellow Coconuts.
> 
> Hey Rodder. your not the only one to get that message in Rogers' website. All my History in there has been wiped out. over 300 odd posts I made are gone. Even trying to log in gave me a message No History of username found.
>  Roger told me his looking into it.
>  All you can do is wait for Roger to find your history or sign up again like I did.
> 
> 
> laters
> 
> Briza
> 

It is strange that only some users were affected. If this was a directed 
attack, it was not all heavy users that were hit as my account was not 
altered.
It may have been a random attack or just random accidental damage.


From wrcousert at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 30 13:36:00 2009
From: wrcousert at yahoo.com (Bill Cousert)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:36:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <926112.64105.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <926112.64105.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <317177.50049.qm@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Are there any backups of the database from just prior to the attack?

?



________________________________
From: brian palmer <tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au>
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:05:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] coco3.com

Hi Fellow Coconuts.

Hey Rodder. your not the only one to get that message in Rogers' website. All my History in there has been wiped out. over 300 odd posts I made are gone. Even trying to log in gave me a message No History of username found.
?Roger told me his looking into it.
?All you can do is wait for Roger to find your history or sign up again like I did.


laters

Briza





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From operator at coco3.com  Tue Jun 30 18:45:53 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:45:53 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <4A4A2B12.3080801@worldnet.att.net>
References: <926112.64105.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4A4A2B12.3080801@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090630173702.04b74b80@coco3.com>

At 10:11 AM 6/30/2009, you wrote:
>brian palmer wrote:
>>Hi Fellow Coconuts.
>>Hey Rodder. your not the only one to get that message in Rogers' 
>>website. All my History in there has been wiped out. over 300 odd 
>>posts I made are gone. Even trying to log in gave me a message No 
>>History of username found.
>>  Roger told me his looking into it.
>>  All you can do is wait for Roger to find your history or sign up 
>> again like I did.
>>
>>laters
>>Briza
>
>It is strange that only some users were affected. If this was a 
>directed attack, it was not all heavy users that were hit as my 
>account was not altered.
>It may have been a random attack or just random accidental damage.



Session hijacking could possibly be the case.



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From operator at coco3.com  Tue Jun 30 18:51:04 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <317177.50049.qm@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <926112.64105.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<317177.50049.qm@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090630174614.04b748f0@coco3.com>

At 12:36 PM 6/30/2009, you wrote:
>Are there any backups of the database from just prior to the attack?


June 1 was my last backup prior to the mishaps.  However, I'm going 
to look tonight to see if my host made any automatic backups that are newer.

Either way, as I said, nothing but lost time for the attacker.

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From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Tue Jun 30 19:37:52 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:37:52 -0600
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <4A4A2B12.3080801@worldnet.att.net>
References: <926112.64105.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4A4A2B12.3080801@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <20090630233752.GA31625@virgo.sdc.org>

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:11:14AM -0400, Robert Gault wrote:

> It may have been a random attack or just random accidental damage.

scr1pt-k1dd13z take incompetence to a whole new level.

Willard
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