From manney at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 16:13:09 2009 From: manney at gmail.com (Manny =?utf-8?b?KE1hbm5lcXVpbik=?=) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] coco3.com References: <010a01c9f42d$df040ca0$9d0c25e0$@com> <5CBF858D8F9249789F4DB3F6D8208277@NewBaby> <360089.98139.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <575971.58556.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brian Blake writes: > > Anybody else having issues with Roger's site? I try to log into coco3.com and it tells me "Sorry, no > corresponding user info was found" > > Brian You aren't alone. All of my posts there have been deleted as well as my username. There has been more changes to the site as well... Grammar has been really screwed up as well. (Not that I have good grammar at all, just noticing little things that make it look quite bad.) Just tried to register under a different username and password. Still waiting for the acceptance email... heh. Anyway, just letting you guys know that yet another person was wiped off of coco3.com. :) Hope this post finds everyone well. -M. From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 1 23:34:30 2009 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:34:30 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] coco3.com Message-ID: My account seems to work. Perhaps they hacked the most active accounts. This has happened many times. Perhaps there is some forum software that is more secure. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 2 20:34:08 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Picture Viewer Message-ID: <535818.34315.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a bunch of disks that have various pictures in many different coco and older formats and have been having a hard time finding an all in one picture viewer for the coco 3. What would be even better is a viewer with a slide show function. There are cm3,pic,pc1,hr0,hr1 and other formats on these disks. Anyone make a recommendation or send me a disk image with a viewer on it? Thanks very much ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From gregory.cooper at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 02:23:42 2009 From: gregory.cooper at gmail.com (Gregory Cooper) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:23:42 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 Message-ID: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I recently picked up a Trs-80 Color computer model 2 used and I'm not sure exactly what I have. At a cursory glance I know it's a model 2 and the seller indicated that it was a 16k model. BASIC doesn't seem to work. Turning on the machine just yields an "OK", an nothing more but the keyboard functions fine and video seems to work without issue. I don't currently have any peripherals so I'm not expecting to see the Disk Extended basic. However, I would have expected to be able to enter a simple basic program (you know, 10 print "hello", something like that) and see it do something. Instead, it just echos the characters back. So, I know at some level some of the components are functional. *So, is there a "normal" state when all you should see is "OK" upon turning the computer on, or is there something not right here?* I don't have the time to really dig into the hardware right now, but I should in a few months, so I'm just collecting info right now really and wishing I did have the time to play. Any info appreciated, Greg From coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com Fri Jul 3 02:27:47 2009 From: coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:27:47 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jul 3, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Gregory Cooper wrote: > However, I would have expected to be able to enter a simple basic > program > (you know, 10 print "hello", something like that) and see it do > something. > Instead, it just echos the characters back. So, I know at some > level some > of the components are functional. > > *So, is there a "normal" state when all you should see is "OK" upon > turning the computer on, or is there something not right here?* It sounds to me like your computer is in good working order. Type the following command after the "OK" prompt: PRINT "HELLO" and then hit the [ENTER] key. It should echo back the word "HELLO". If instead you type: 10 PRINT "HELLO" You've actually entered a program, not just a command. You then need to run the program by typing: RUN and hitting [ENTER]. -- JP From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Fri Jul 3 06:32:25 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:32:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4DDE39.2060207@worldnet.att.net> Gregory Cooper wrote: > BASIC doesn't seem to work. Turning on the machine just yields an "OK", > an nothing more but the keyboard functions fine and video seems to work > without issue. I don't currently have any peripherals so I'm not expecting > to see the Disk Extended basic. > That seems unlikely. At turn on, you should see a copyright message and then see the OK prompt. I expect you have not accurately described what you see. Type the following: PRINT MEM [ENTER] Where [ENTER] means the key. What do you see? The number will indicate the amount of RAM memory under startup conditions. While memory is normally defined as 4096-4K, 8192-8K, 16384-16K, 32768-32K, there is always a certain amount of low RAM reserved by Basic so the values you see with a tape system will be approximately 8488-16K and 24872-32K. As another message indicated, there is a difference between a command and a program line. Don't preface commands with numbers. From jcewy at swbell.net Fri Jul 3 09:24:30 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:24:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Picture Viewer In-Reply-To: <535818.34315.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <535818.34315.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A4E068E.6070204@swbell.net> Derek wrote: > I have a bunch of disks that have various pictures in many different coco and older formats and have been having a hard time finding an all in one picture viewer for the coco 3. What would be even better is a viewer with a slide show function. There are cm3,pic,pc1,hr0,hr1 and other formats on these disks. > > Anyone make a recommendation or send me a disk image with a viewer on it? > > I haven't checked into the pc1 and hrx formats, but Roger Taylor's Projector 3 comes to mind. JCE > Thanks very much > > ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 3 11:17:58 2009 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> Gregory, after you typed in the simple Basic program. Did you do a LIST command to see if it printed the lines of code and also did you try "Run ". If you got a "OK" back and it echo's your type then the OS is running which happens to be Basic. John Donaldson Gregory Cooper wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently picked up a Trs-80 Color computer model 2 used and I'm not > sure exactly what I have. At a cursory glance I know it's a model 2 and the > seller indicated that it was a 16k model. > > BASIC doesn't seem to work. Turning on the machine just yields an "OK", > an nothing more but the keyboard functions fine and video seems to work > without issue. I don't currently have any peripherals so I'm not expecting > to see the Disk Extended basic. > > However, I would have expected to be able to enter a simple basic program > (you know, 10 print "hello", something like that) and see it do something. > Instead, it just echos the characters back. So, I know at some level some > of the components are functional. > > *So, is there a "normal" state when all you should see is "OK" upon > turning the computer on, or is there something not right here?* > > I don't have the time to really dig into the hardware right now, but I > should in a few months, so I'm just collecting info right now really and > wishing I did have the time to play. > > > Any info appreciated, > Greg > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 4 07:21:37 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:21:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Cocofest 2009/2010 In-Reply-To: <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: When is the next Cocofest? From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 4 07:33:32 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:33:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night of various magazines in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the Bellingham User Group Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my possession, 80 US Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started on the Aus Coco issues. I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. No feedback yet. While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del Poel had a magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone remember that? Was it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and see if he might want to allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd like to see it converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any thoughts on how much of a pain that's going to be? I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when completed. Its at 1.3 meg now. From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 4 07:38:11 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:38:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Memory In-Reply-To: <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <3C91C52D6C0844FF97E7F164557025A3@Dell3Gig> I've got a question that s been bothering me off and on for decades. The Coco under basic can easilly see 32k, and 64/128 K with ML routines. When the Coco3 came out, MS-dos intel machines using 8086/80186 processors could access and use 640k. What was intel doing differently from Tandy to allow that odd non-base 2 memory amount? Ie, 1k, 2k, 4k, 16k, 32k, 64k, 128k, 512k, 1-meg, 2-meg. 640k falls in the middle there. What were they doing that was so strange that the coco couldn't do it to? From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 4 07:46:41 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:46:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Wireless Coco Keyboard In-Reply-To: <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: Has anyone combined the AT keyboard interface (from Cloud9 or homebuild) with a ps/2 to USB plug (the kind thatcomes with USB only keyboards) and a wireless AT keyboard dongle to make a wireless keyboard? I imagine when installed the keyboard interface and dongle would stay within the Cocos case. From aawolfe at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 08:16:26 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:16:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Memory In-Reply-To: <3C91C52D6C0844FF97E7F164557025A3@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com> <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <3C91C52D6C0844FF97E7F164557025A3@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: the 8086 can address a full (normal) 1024k. 640k is what was left for the user after the upper 384k was reserved by IBM for other purposes (video memory, i/o, bios, etc). the coco does essentially the same thing, for example in a "32k" machine, i think about 28k is actually available. i'm sure someone here can given a more exact number :) as for why the coco "couldn't do it", the addressable range of a CPU and the amount of ram installed are often not the same. the amount of ram you can install is basically determined by how the motherboard or memory card are designed, with the upper limit the address space of the cpu (without bank switching and other tricks). if you created some functional memory device with a strange amount of ram on it, the 6809 on the coco could address whatever was there just fine. On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Paul Fitch wrote: > I've got a question that s been bothering me off and on for decades. > > The Coco under basic can easilly see 32k, and 64/128 K with ML routines. > When the Coco3 came out, MS-dos intel machines using 8086/80186 processors > could access and use 640k. ?What was intel doing differently from Tandy to > allow that odd non-base 2 memory amount? Ie, 1k, 2k, 4k, 16k, 32k, 64k, > 128k, 512k, 1-meg, 2-meg. ?640k falls in the middle there. ?What were they > doing that was so strange that the coco couldn't do it to? > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Sat Jul 4 08:13:58 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:13:58 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Coco Memory In-Reply-To: <3C91C52D6C0844FF97E7F164557025A3@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <3C91C52D6C0844FF97E7F164557025A3@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <4A4F4786.9030506@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Paul Fitch wrote: > I've got a question that s been bothering me off and on for decades. > > The Coco under basic can easilly see 32k, and 64/128 K with ML routines. > When the Coco3 came out, MS-dos intel machines using 8086/80186 processors > could access and use 640k. What was intel doing differently from Tandy to > allow that odd non-base 2 memory amount? Ie, 1k, 2k, 4k, 16k, 32k, 64k, > 128k, 512k, 1-meg, 2-meg. 640k falls in the middle there. What were they > doing that was so strange that the coco couldn't do it to? Well firstly you have to remember that the 8086/8088 processors are 16bit whereas the 6809/6309 are 8 bit. The 8086/8088 have a 20 bit address bus which allows them to access a total of 1M of memory, however when IBM designed the PC, it designed the memory map in such a way that the top 384K of the memory map was reserved for adapter ROMS and I/O space. This is where the 640K comes from. There is of course nothing to stop you putting RAM in the ROM & I/O space, it's just that DOS would not use it without special drivers. Indeed EMS memory was just a bank of unused space int the top 384K, that could have additional RAM paged into it, in much the same way as the CoCo3 can page RAM. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Sat Jul 4 08:18:23 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:18:23 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Wireless Coco Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <4A4F488F.9050509@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Paul Fitch wrote: > Has anyone combined the AT keyboard interface (from Cloud9 or homebuild) > with a ps/2 to USB plug (the kind thatcomes with USB only keyboards) and a > wireless AT keyboard dongle to make a wireless keyboard? I imagine when > installed the keyboard interface and dongle would stay within the Cocos > case. I don't think that would work, as I believe the PS/2 to USB plug is just that a 1:1 converter, it has no electronics inside it. The keyboard is intelegent enough to know if it is plugged into a USB or a PS/2 port and adjusts what it outputs acordingly. So you couldn't use such a converter to plug in a USB wireless dongle to a PS/2 to CoCo interface, as the dongle would still be trying to talk USB which of course the CoCo interface would not understand. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From chawks at dls.net Sat Jul 4 09:26:42 2009 From: chawks at dls.net (Christopher Hawks) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:26:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Cocofest 2009/2010 In-Reply-To: References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A4F5892.40000@dls.net> Paul Fitch said the following on 07/04/2009 06:21 AM: > When is the next Cocofest? The 19th Annual "Last" Chicago CoCoFEST! will be held May 15 & 16, 2010 See http://glensideccc.com/index.htm -- Christopher R. Hawks HAWKSoft --------------------------------------------------------- "It's a scientific fact that if you stay in California you lose one point of your IQ every year." -- Truman Capote From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Jul 4 11:33:39 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:33:39 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set up several databases in sculptor, but have never studied/tried transferring data from some source into a sculptor database. If you send me a portion of what you have, I will attempt to import it into a Sculptor database. If the field types/sizes/names etc, are not obvious, let me know that information also. Don't feel any obligation, but I am willing to spend some time and effort into doing the conversion. Another good candidate would be OpenOffice the free and open source office suite. Tim Fadden t.fadden at cox.net Paul Fitch wrote: > Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night of various magazines > in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the Bellingham User Group > Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my possession, 80 US > Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started on the Aus Coco issues. > > I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. No feedback yet. > > While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del Poel had a > magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone remember that? Was > it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and see if he might want to > allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. > > When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd like to see it > converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any thoughts on > how much of a pain that's going to be? > > I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when completed. Its at 1.3 > meg now. > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 4 11:42:13 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:42:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> Message-ID: This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and such for others. RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. http://www.mediafire.com I've been using this for the last month or so with large files and no problems so far, it's great! The service is essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web site while you are there, that's it! From gregory.cooper at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 11:27:55 2009 From: gregory.cooper at gmail.com (Gregory Cooper) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:27:55 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for the responses. I think the machine is in 'fair' shape, but there is something odd about it. After reading a few responses I thought I might have been crazy so I dug it up and played around with it a bit. The first time I fired it up the "Color Basic" text was not there and it would behave in odd ways. However, after messing around with it for a bit it did manage to start up with the "Color Basic" text and "OK" and then everything was ok. -- Basic programs would work as expected. It seems like the components are ok but there may be some loose things or some pieces that I might need to swap out. Anyway, it looks like I've got something good to tinker around with! Thanks again, Greg On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:17 AM, John Donaldson wrote: > Gregory, > > after you typed in the simple Basic program. Did you do a LIST command to > see if it printed the lines of code and also did you try "Run ". > > If you got a "OK" back and it echo's your type then the OS is running which > happens to be Basic. > > John Donaldson > > > > Gregory Cooper wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I recently picked up a Trs-80 Color computer model 2 used and I'm not >> sure exactly what I have. At a cursory glance I know it's a model 2 and >> the >> seller indicated that it was a 16k model. >> >> BASIC doesn't seem to work. Turning on the machine just yields an "OK", >> an nothing more but the keyboard functions fine and video seems to work >> without issue. I don't currently have any peripherals so I'm not >> expecting >> to see the Disk Extended basic. >> >> However, I would have expected to be able to enter a simple basic >> program >> (you know, 10 print "hello", something like that) and see it do something. >> Instead, it just echos the characters back. So, I know at some level some >> of the components are functional. >> >> *So, is there a "normal" state when all you should see is "OK" upon >> turning the computer on, or is there something not right here?* >> >> I don't have the time to really dig into the hardware right now, but I >> should in a few months, so I'm just collecting info right now really and >> wishing I did have the time to play. >> >> >> Any info appreciated, >> Greg >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > > > -- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 4 12:27:01 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:27:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> Message-ID: I just sent you a copy. Although, where I'm heading with this is a back port to DECB and OS9 Level 2, since the vast majority of the info in the database is Coco related, and not 68k. There is 68k stuff in there, but only 1-2%. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:34 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes > > Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set up > several databases in sculptor, but have never studied/tried > transferring data from some source into a sculptor database. > If you send me a portion of what you have, I will attempt to > import it into a Sculptor database. > > If the field types/sizes/names etc, are not obvious, let me > know that information also. > > Don't feel any obligation, but I am willing to spend some > time and effort into doing the conversion. > > Another good candidate would be OpenOffice the free and open > source office suite. > > Tim Fadden > t.fadden at cox.net > > > Paul Fitch wrote: > > Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night of various > > magazines in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the > Bellingham > > User Group Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my > possession, > > 80 US Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started > on the Aus Coco issues. > > > > I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. > No feedback yet. > > > > While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del > Poel had a > > magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone > remember that? > > Was it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and see if he > > might want to allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. > > > > When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd > like to see > > it converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any > > thoughts on how much of a pain that's going to be? > > > > I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when > completed. Its > > at 1.3 meg now. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 4 12:28:34 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com><4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7BF49044438B40E9B9B5B3433C5FAE7F@Dell3Gig> If it's a Coco2, it should come up as Extended Color Basic. Seems like you have ROM issues. Crak the case and see if someone in the past didn't do a ROM upgrade in there. You may have loose chips. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Cooper > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:28 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco model 2 > > Thank you for the responses. I think the machine is in > 'fair' shape, but > there is something odd about it. After reading a few > responses I thought I might have been crazy so I dug it up > and played around with it a bit. > > The first time I fired it up the "Color Basic" text was not > there and it would behave in odd ways. > > However, after messing around with it for a bit it did manage > to start up with the "Color Basic" text and "OK" and then > everything was ok. -- Basic programs would work as expected. > > It seems like the components are ok but there may be some > loose things or some pieces that I might need to swap out. > > Anyway, it looks like I've got something good to tinker around with! > > Thanks again, > > Greg > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:17 AM, John Donaldson > > wrote: > > > Gregory, > > > > after you typed in the simple Basic program. Did you do a > LIST command > > to see if it printed the lines of code and also did you try > "Run ". > > > > If you got a "OK" back and it echo's your type then the OS > is running > > which happens to be Basic. > > > > John Donaldson > > > > > > > > Gregory Cooper wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I recently picked up a Trs-80 Color computer model 2 > used and I'm > >> not sure exactly what I have. At a cursory glance I know it's a > >> model 2 and the seller indicated that it was a 16k model. > >> > >> BASIC doesn't seem to work. Turning on the machine just > yields an > >> "OK", an nothing more but the keyboard functions fine and > video seems to work > >> without issue. I don't currently have any peripherals so I'm not > >> expecting > >> to see the Disk Extended basic. > >> > >> However, I would have expected to be able to enter a > simple basic > >> program (you know, 10 print "hello", something like that) > and see it > >> do something. > >> Instead, it just echos the characters back. So, I know at > some level > >> some of the components are functional. > >> > >> *So, is there a "normal" state when all you should see > is "OK" upon > >> turning the computer on, or is there something not right here?* > >> > >> I don't have the time to really dig into the hardware right now, > >> but I should in a few months, so I'm just collecting info > right now > >> really and wishing I did have the time to play. > >> > >> > >> Any info appreciated, > >> Greg > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From mdelyea at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 12:38:32 2009 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:38:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com> <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80907040938r6ac26e83h4022c51e529dcafe@mail.gmail.com> Yes I've used mediafire in the past as well, to make an OS-9 manual available. On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Chad H wrote: > This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and such > for others. ?RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE > users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, > which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. > > http://www.mediafire.com ? ?I've been using this for the last month or so > with large files and no problems so far, it's great! ?The service is > essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web site > while you are there, that's it! > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Jul 4 12:57:05 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:57:05 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> Not sure where you came up with 68k. Nothing I mentioned has anything to do with that. Sculptor runs on a os9 level 2 on a 6809 coco, and Open Office runs on windows, Linux, Solaris, and Macs, none of which is 68k! :-) Thanks for the data base I will work with it, and see if I can do some conversions! I do have one laptop with Works on it, although I don't use it. Hopefully it will have some export functionality. Will let you know how I get along. Tim Paul Fitch wrote: > I just sent you a copy. Although, where I'm heading with this is a back > port to DECB and OS9 Level 2, since the vast majority of the info in the > database is Coco related, and not 68k. There is 68k stuff in there, but > only 1-2%. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com >> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:34 AM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes >> >> Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set up >> several databases in sculptor, but have never studied/tried >> transferring data from some source into a sculptor database. >> If you send me a portion of what you have, I will attempt to >> import it into a Sculptor database. >> >> If the field types/sizes/names etc, are not obvious, let me >> know that information also. >> >> Don't feel any obligation, but I am willing to spend some >> time and effort into doing the conversion. >> >> Another good candidate would be OpenOffice the free and open >> source office suite. >> >> Tim Fadden >> t.fadden at cox.net >> >> >> Paul Fitch wrote: >> >>> Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night of various >>> magazines in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the >>> >> Bellingham >> >>> User Group Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my >>> >> possession, >> >>> 80 US Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started >>> >> on the Aus Coco issues. >> >>> I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. >>> >> No feedback yet. >> >>> While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del >>> >> Poel had a >> >>> magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone >>> >> remember that? >> >>> Was it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and see if he >>> might want to allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. >>> >>> When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd >>> >> like to see >> >>> it converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any >>> thoughts on how much of a pain that's going to be? >>> >>> I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when >>> >> completed. Its >> >>> at 1.3 meg now. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From jcewy at swbell.net Sat Jul 4 13:16:58 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A4F8E8A.3010305@swbell.net> Tim Fadden wrote: > Not sure where you came up with 68k. Nothing I mentioned has anything > to do with that. Sculptor runs on a os9 level 2 on a 6809 coco, and > Open Office runs on > windows, Linux, Solaris, and Macs, none of which is 68k! :-) > Well, there is Linux for M68K. I've installed Debian on old 68030 and 68040 Macs. (None of my Amigas have appropriate CPUs, and I've never managed to get ahold of an Atari ST.) However I don't think OOo was ever compiled on the 68K platform. There was Abiword though... And of course you don't mean that no Macs were 68k! Just that OOo doesn't run on classic MacOS. Actually, there was a version of OS-9/68K that ran as a MacOS application. I really wish I could stumble across a copy of that. I'm sure it's vanished from the face of the earth. But it would really be neat to see that running on an old Mac Plus... JCE > Thanks for the data base I will work with it, and see if I can do some > conversions! > I do have one laptop with Works on it, although I don't use it. > Hopefully it will have some export functionality. Will let you know > how I get along. > > Tim > > > > > Paul Fitch wrote: >> I just sent you a copy. Although, where I'm heading with this is a back >> port to DECB and OS9 Level 2, since the vast majority of the info in the >> database is Coco related, and not 68k. There is 68k stuff in there, but >> only 1-2%. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com >>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:34 AM >>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes >>> >>> Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set up several >>> databases in sculptor, but have never studied/tried transferring >>> data from some source into a sculptor database. If you send me a >>> portion of what you have, I will attempt to import it into a >>> Sculptor database. >>> >>> If the field types/sizes/names etc, are not obvious, let me know >>> that information also. >>> >>> Don't feel any obligation, but I am willing to spend some time and >>> effort into doing the conversion. >>> >>> Another good candidate would be OpenOffice the free and open source >>> office suite. >>> Tim Fadden >>> t.fadden at cox.net >>> >>> >>> Paul Fitch wrote: >>> >>>> Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night of various >>>> magazines in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the >>> Bellingham >>>> User Group Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my >>> possession, >>>> 80 US Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started >>> on the Aus Coco issues. >>> >>>> I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. >>> No feedback yet. >>> >>>> While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del >>> Poel had a >>>> magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone >>> remember that? >>>> Was it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and see if he >>>> might want to allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. >>>> >>>> When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd >>> like to see >>>> it converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any >>>> thoughts on how much of a pain that's going to be? >>>> >>>> I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when >>> completed. Its >>>> at 1.3 meg now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 4 13:10:30 2009 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4F8D06.8070400@sbcglobal.net> You may have to open up the COCO2 and reset the memory chips and etc. After a while they will get loose. John Donaldson Gregory Cooper wrote: > Thank you for the responses. I think the machine is in 'fair' shape, but > there is something odd about it. After reading a few responses I thought I > might have been crazy so I dug it up and played around with it a bit. > > The first time I fired it up the "Color Basic" text was not there and it > would behave in odd ways. > > However, after messing around with it for a bit it did manage to start up > with the "Color Basic" text and "OK" and then everything was ok. -- Basic > programs would work as expected. > > It seems like the components are ok but there may be some loose things or > some pieces that I might need to swap out. > > Anyway, it looks like I've got something good to tinker around with! > > Thanks again, > > Greg > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:17 AM, John Donaldson >> wrote: >> > > >> Gregory, >> >> after you typed in the simple Basic program. Did you do a LIST command to >> see if it printed the lines of code and also did you try "Run ". >> >> If you got a "OK" back and it echo's your type then the OS is running which >> happens to be Basic. >> >> John Donaldson >> >> >> >> Gregory Cooper wrote: >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I recently picked up a Trs-80 Color computer model 2 used and I'm not >>> sure exactly what I have. At a cursory glance I know it's a model 2 and >>> the >>> seller indicated that it was a 16k model. >>> >>> BASIC doesn't seem to work. Turning on the machine just yields an "OK", >>> an nothing more but the keyboard functions fine and video seems to work >>> without issue. I don't currently have any peripherals so I'm not >>> expecting >>> to see the Disk Extended basic. >>> >>> However, I would have expected to be able to enter a simple basic >>> program >>> (you know, 10 print "hello", something like that) and see it do something. >>> Instead, it just echos the characters back. So, I know at some level some >>> of the components are functional. >>> >>> *So, is there a "normal" state when all you should see is "OK" upon >>> turning the computer on, or is there something not right here?* >>> >>> I don't have the time to really dig into the hardware right now, but I >>> should in a few months, so I'm just collecting info right now really and >>> wishing I did have the time to play. >>> >>> >>> Any info appreciated, >>> Greg >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 4 13:48:16 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:48:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> Message-ID: Way back when when I had my MM/1, it came with Sculptor. That's why I thouhgt 68k( =OS-9/68000). I never heard of a Level II version, so my bad. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:57 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes > > Not sure where you came up with 68k. Nothing I mentioned has > anything to do with that. Sculptor runs on a os9 level 2 on a > 6809 coco, and Open Office runs on windows, Linux, Solaris, > and Macs, none of which is 68k! :-) > > Thanks for the data base I will work with it, and see if I > can do some conversions! > > I do have one laptop with Works on it, although I don't use > it. Hopefully it will have some export functionality. Will > let you know how I get along. > > Tim > > > > > Paul Fitch wrote: > > I just sent you a copy. Although, where I'm heading with this is a > > back port to DECB and OS9 Level 2, since the vast majority > of the info > > in the database is Coco related, and not 68k. There is 68k > stuff in > > there, but only 1-2%. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > >> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:34 AM > >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes > >> > >> Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set > up several > >> databases in sculptor, but have never studied/tried > transferring data > >> from some source into a sculptor database. > >> If you send me a portion of what you have, I will attempt > to import > >> it into a Sculptor database. > >> > >> If the field types/sizes/names etc, are not obvious, let > me know that > >> information also. > >> > >> Don't feel any obligation, but I am willing to spend some > time and > >> effort into doing the conversion. > >> > >> Another good candidate would be OpenOffice the free and > open source > >> office suite. > >> > >> Tim Fadden > >> t.fadden at cox.net > >> > >> > >> Paul Fitch wrote: > >> > >>> Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night > of various > >>> magazines in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the > >>> > >> Bellingham > >> > >>> User Group Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my > >>> > >> possession, > >> > >>> 80 US Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started > >>> > >> on the Aus Coco issues. > >> > >>> I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. > >>> > >> No feedback yet. > >> > >>> While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del > >>> > >> Poel had a > >> > >>> magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone > >>> > >> remember that? > >> > >>> Was it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and > see if he > >>> might want to allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. > >>> > >>> When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd > >>> > >> like to see > >> > >>> it converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any > >>> thoughts on how much of a pain that's going to be? > >>> > >>> I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when > >>> > >> completed. Its > >> > >>> at 1.3 meg now. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Coco mailing list > >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 4 15:18:49 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! Message-ID: <253265.47501.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The only problem is long term retention. I believe mediafire will remove the files if they go a certain amount of days without a download. With Rapidshare I know the files will be there as long as I am a premium member and since I pay 6 months or a year in advance it means the data will will there long term. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Chad H wrote: From: Chad H Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 8:42 AM This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and such for others.? RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. http://www.mediafire.com? ? I've been using this for the last month or so with large files and no problems so far, it's great!? The service is essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web site while you are there, that's it! -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 4 18:17:32 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:17:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> Message-ID: >From what I read on their support site, all one has to do to maintain "current" status and full file retention is either have atleast one file downloaded every 30 days OR login to their account, which that alone should be sufficient to many people I would think. http://support.mediafire.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbart icleid=56&nav=0,4 - Chad -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chad H Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:42 AM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and such for others. RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. http://www.mediafire.com I've been using this for the last month or so with large files and no problems so far, it's great! The service is essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web site while you are there, that's it! -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Jul 4 20:33:45 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:33:45 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> I opened a free account on mediafire, and put some files up there to test it out in early March. I just now logged in (first time since march), and the files are still there and down-loadable. I can't believe that each one of them has been downloaded once a month over that time period. They must not purge the files too often. :-) I am going to up up the first three years of rainbow for you guys to try out, and see if it is more/less preferable than what we are using now. Will email the link when they are up and ready. Probably tomorrow. Tim Fadden Chad H wrote: > >From what I read on their support site, all one has to do to maintain > "current" status and full file retention is either have atleast one file > downloaded every 30 days OR login to their account, which that alone should > be sufficient to many people I would think. > > http://support.mediafire.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbart > icleid=56&nav=0,4 > > - Chad > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On > Behalf Of Chad H > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:42 AM > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' > Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! > > This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and such > for others. RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE > users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, > which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. > > http://www.mediafire.com I've been using this for the last month or so > with large files and no problems so far, it's great! The service is > essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web site > while you are there, that's it! > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From aawolfe at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 01:28:27 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:28:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > I opened a free account on mediafire, and put some files up there to test it > out in early March. ?I just now logged > in (first time since march), and the files are still there and > down-loadable. ?I can't believe that each one of them > has been downloaded once a month over that time period. They must not purge > the files too often. :-) > > I am going to up up the first three years of rainbow for you guys to try > out, and see if it is more/less preferable > than what we are using now. ?Will email the link when they are up and ready. > ?Probably tomorrow. > That would be awesome. I have a nearly complete library of Rainbows in storage, 1500 miles away. I've been playing with the coco again lately and really wish I had access to a couple articles I remember. > > Tim Fadden > > Chad H wrote: >> >> >From what I read on their support site, all one has to do to maintain >> "current" status and full file retention is either have atleast one file >> downloaded every 30 days OR login to their account, which that alone >> should >> be sufficient to many people I would think. >> >> >> http://support.mediafire.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbart >> icleid=56&nav=0,4 >> >> - Chad >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Chad H >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:42 AM >> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' >> Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! >> >> This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and >> such >> for others. ?RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE >> users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, >> which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. >> >> http://www.mediafire.com ? ?I've been using this for the last month or so >> with large files and no problems so far, it's great! ?The service is >> essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web >> site >> while you are there, that's it! >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 5 06:43:23 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:43:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net><4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> Message-ID: <19209EFAE8524D30940FDFAA18C773EC@Dell3Gig> There are three Rainbow issues uploaded to Maleted Media that are currupt. They are the december 88 and the Nov & Dec 89 issues. Could those go up first? Also, of all the scans I've seen to date, I haven't seen any Color Computer News issues. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Wolfe > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:28 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > > I opened a free account on mediafire, and put some files up > there to > > test it out in early March. ?I just now logged in (first time since > > march), and the files are still there and down-loadable. ?I can't > > believe that each one of them has been downloaded once a month over > > that time period. They must not purge the files too often. :-) > > > > I am going to up up the first three years of rainbow for > you guys to > > try out, and see if it is more/less preferable than what we > are using > > now. ?Will email the link when they are up and ready. > > ?Probably tomorrow. > > > > That would be awesome. I have a nearly complete library of > Rainbows in storage, 1500 miles away. I've been playing with > the coco again lately and really wish I had access to a > couple articles I remember. > > > > > > Tim Fadden > > > > Chad H wrote: > >> > >> >From what I read on their support site, all one has to do to > >> >maintain > >> "current" status and full file retention is either have > atleast one > >> file downloaded every 30 days OR login to their account, > which that > >> alone should be sufficient to many people I would think. > >> > >> > >> > http://support.mediafire.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticl > >> e&kbart > >> icleid=56&nav=0,4 > >> > >> - Chad > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > >> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > >> On > >> Behalf Of Chad H > >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:42 AM > >> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' > >> Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! > >> > >> This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows > >> and such for others. ?RapidShare forces delays and > "slower" transfer > >> rates to FREE users...this service imposes NO such limits, > except for > >> 100MB file sizes, which can be dealt with by splitting > large RAR/ZIP > >> files. > >> > >> http://www.mediafire.com ? ?I've been using this for the > last month > >> or so with large files and no problems so far, it's great! ?The > >> service is essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight > >> adds on the web site while you are there, that's it! > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 08:15:41 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:15:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <4A50996D.9040100@gmail.com> Hi Paul, In case I forgot, which is probably the case, I did check out your database and you did a good job. There is a lot of hard work in there and I appreciate the results. It is nice to be able to look up an article by searching on any field! I will probably import the database into Microsoft Access and start designing my own reports. Thanks for sending me the database and let me know when you have any revisions. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional Paul Fitch wrote: > Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night of various magazines > in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the Bellingham User Group > Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my possession, 80 US > Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started on the Aus Coco issues. > > I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. No feedback yet. > > While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del Poel had a > magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone remember that? Was > it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and see if he might want to > allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. > > When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd like to see it > converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any thoughts on > how much of a pain that's going to be? > > I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when completed. Its at 1.3 > meg now. > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Jul 5 09:53:39 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:53:39 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: to get an idea how the CoCo2 *should* behave, you might try Mocha (http://java.trs-80.cc). Goto Setup->Config, select the ROM (Color, Extended, Disk BASIC) under Environment and accept the changes... From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Jul 5 10:26:30 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:26:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> Paul Fitch wrote: > Way back when when I had my MM/1, it came with Sculptor. That's why I > thouhgt 68k( =OS-9/68000). I never heard of a Level II version, so my bad. > > Your MM/1 came with Sculptor? Dang, mine didn't. JCE >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com >> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:57 PM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes >> >> Not sure where you came up with 68k. Nothing I mentioned has >> anything to do with that. Sculptor runs on a os9 level 2 on a >> 6809 coco, and Open Office runs on windows, Linux, Solaris, >> and Macs, none of which is 68k! :-) >> >> Thanks for the data base I will work with it, and see if I >> can do some conversions! >> >> I do have one laptop with Works on it, although I don't use >> it. Hopefully it will have some export functionality. Will >> let you know how I get along. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> Paul Fitch wrote: >> >>> I just sent you a copy. Although, where I'm heading with this is a >>> back port to DECB and OS9 Level 2, since the vast majority >>> >> of the info >> >>> in the database is Coco related, and not 68k. There is 68k >>> >> stuff in >> >>> there, but only 1-2%. >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com >>>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:34 AM >>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes >>>> >>>> Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set >>>> >> up several >> >>>> databases in sculptor, but have never studied/tried >>>> >> transferring data >> >>>> from some source into a sculptor database. >>>> If you send me a portion of what you have, I will attempt >>>> >> to import >> >>>> it into a Sculptor database. >>>> >>>> If the field types/sizes/names etc, are not obvious, let >>>> >> me know that >> >>>> information also. >>>> >>>> Don't feel any obligation, but I am willing to spend some >>>> >> time and >> >>>> effort into doing the conversion. >>>> >>>> Another good candidate would be OpenOffice the free and >>>> >> open source >> >>>> office suite. >>>> >>>> Tim Fadden >>>> t.fadden at cox.net >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul Fitch wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night >>>>> >> of various >> >>>>> magazines in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Bellingham >>>> >>>> >>>>> User Group Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my >>>>> >>>>> >>>> possession, >>>> >>>> >>>>> 80 US Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started >>>>> >>>>> >>>> on the Aus Coco issues. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> No feedback yet. >>>> >>>> >>>>> While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Poel had a >>>> >>>> >>>>> magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone >>>>> >>>>> >>>> remember that? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Was it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and >>>>> >> see if he >> >>>>> might want to allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. >>>>> >>>>> When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd >>>>> >>>>> >>>> like to see >>>> >>>> >>>>> it converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any >>>>> thoughts on how much of a pain that's going to be? >>>>> >>>>> I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when >>>>> >>>>> >>>> completed. Its >>>> >>>> >>>>> at 1.3 meg now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From gregory.cooper at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 11:05:46 2009 From: gregory.cooper at gmail.com (Gregory Cooper) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:05:46 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89b70c700907050805y52bf4f2am5f9ee50cad7bc967@mail.gmail.com> Will do... I haven't had as much time to play as I would like, but as soon as I do I will dig into the emulators a bit. It's my understanding that 'Disk BASIC' was an extension that would only show up if you had a floppy controller cartridge for the coco. Is this correct? Thanks again to all for the good info. Greg (All my past encounters with Tandy machines in the past were the Trs-80 model 1 and a Tandy 1000. The coco world was always another world.) On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Torsten Dittel wrote: > to get an idea how the CoCo2 *should* behave, you might try Mocha ( > http://java.trs-80.cc). Goto Setup->Config, select the ROM (Color, > Extended, Disk BASIC) under Environment and accept the changes... > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 5 12:34:35 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:34:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <4A50996D.9040100@gmail.com> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A50996D.9040100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11A99EDFD7AE4F5987928959DB91F339@Dell3Gig> I'm glad you like it. Remember the following tho: 1) the 10 years of Rainbow and ROD in your copy of the database do not have any of the extra fields filled out yet. So most of your searchs are going to shoot right past those entries. That's about 6700 articles and reviews. 2) All of the magazines referenced in the database are availabe right now on Malted Medias FTP site The finished product will be posted to the Malted FTP site > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:16 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes > > Hi Paul, > In case I forgot, which is probably the case, I did check out > your database and you did a good job. There is a lot of hard > work in there and I appreciate the results. It is nice to be > able to look up an article by searching on any field! I will > probably import the database into Microsoft Access and start > designing my own reports. Thanks for sending me the database > and let me know when you have any revisions. > > O. Alan Jones > > -- > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > CompTIA: A+ Certified Professional > > > > Paul Fitch wrote: > > Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night of > various magazines > > in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the > Bellingham User Group > > Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my possession, 80 US > > Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started on the > Aus Coco issues. > > > > I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. > No feedback yet. > > > > While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del Poel had a > > magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone > remember that? Was > > it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and see if > he might want to > > allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. > > > > When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd > like to see it > > converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have > any thoughts on > > how much of a pain that's going to be? > > > > I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when > completed. Its at 1.3 > > meg now. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 5 12:49:08 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:49:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> Message-ID: Its not like I had any thing to use it on back then. It also came with OddJob, which is another package I never used. I'd have much prefered G-windows, but even then there was no software to use under it, so no matter. Water under the bridge. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Joel Ewy > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:26 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes > > Paul Fitch wrote: > > Way back when when I had my MM/1, it came with Sculptor. > That's why I > > thouhgt 68k( =OS-9/68000). I never heard of a Level II > version, so my bad. > > > > > Your MM/1 came with Sculptor? Dang, mine didn't. > > JCE > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > >> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:57 PM > >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes > >> > >> Not sure where you came up with 68k. Nothing I mentioned > has anything > >> to do with that. Sculptor runs on a os9 level 2 on a > >> 6809 coco, and Open Office runs on windows, Linux, > Solaris, and Macs, > >> none of which is 68k! :-) > >> > >> Thanks for the data base I will work with it, and see if I can do > >> some conversions! > >> > >> I do have one laptop with Works on it, although I don't use it. > >> Hopefully it will have some export functionality. Will > let you know > >> how I get along. > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Paul Fitch wrote: > >> > >>> I just sent you a copy. Although, where I'm heading with > this is a > >>> back port to DECB and OS9 Level 2, since the vast majority > >>> > >> of the info > >> > >>> in the database is Coco related, and not 68k. There is 68k > >>> > >> stuff in > >> > >>> there, but only 1-2%. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > >>>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:34 AM > >>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > >>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes > >>>> > >>>> Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set > >>>> > >> up several > >> > >>>> databases in sculptor, but have never studied/tried > >>>> > >> transferring data > >> > >>>> from some source into a sculptor database. > >>>> If you send me a portion of what you have, I will attempt > >>>> > >> to import > >> > >>>> it into a Sculptor database. > >>>> > >>>> If the field types/sizes/names etc, are not obvious, let > >>>> > >> me know that > >> > >>>> information also. > >>>> > >>>> Don't feel any obligation, but I am willing to spend some > >>>> > >> time and > >> > >>>> effort into doing the conversion. > >>>> > >>>> Another good candidate would be OpenOffice the free and > >>>> > >> open source > >> > >>>> office suite. > >>>> > >>>> Tim Fadden > >>>> t.fadden at cox.net > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Paul Fitch wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night > >>>>> > >> of various > >> > >>>>> magazines in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Bellingham > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> User Group Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> possession, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> 80 US Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> on the Aus Coco issues. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> No feedback yet. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Poel had a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> remember that? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Was it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and > >>>>> > >> see if he > >> > >>>>> might want to allow me to include his work in with what > I'm doing. > >>>>> > >>>>> When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> like to see > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> it converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. > Anyone have any > >>>>> thoughts on how much of a pain that's going to be? > >>>>> > >>>>> I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> completed. Its > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> at 1.3 meg now. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Coco mailing list > >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Coco mailing list > >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Coco mailing list > >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Jul 5 15:17:31 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:17:31 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Coco model 2 In-Reply-To: <89b70c700907050805y52bf4f2am5f9ee50cad7bc967@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b70c700907022323o310e75f7oe071be2a5ecff183@mail.gmail.com> <4A4E2126.5090008@sbcglobal.net> <89b70c700907040827m6c9ff4eh657399817c46c8cb@mail.gmail.com> <89b70c700907050805y52bf4f2am5f9ee50cad7bc967@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Gregory Cooper schrieb: > I will dig into the emulators a bit. Start with Mocha: no installs, no need to find ROMs, software etc.. Just browse to its site on any browser/PC and start immediately. > It's my understanding that 'Disk BASIC' was an extension that would only > show up if you had a floppy controller cartridge for the coco. Is this > correct? That is absolutely correct. From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Sun Jul 5 15:48:12 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:48:12 -0600 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Picture Viewer In-Reply-To: <4A4E068E.6070204@swbell.net> References: <535818.34315.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A4E068E.6070204@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20090705194812.GA32110@virgo.sdc.org> On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 08:24:30AM -0500, Joel Ewy wrote: > I haven't checked into the pc1 and hrx formats, but Roger Taylor's > Projector 3 comes to mind. Gotta agree. Projector 3. (OK, I've now read entirely too many Xanth books.) Anyway, yeah. Projector 3 will handle just about any native CoCo image format. About the only one it doesn't (that I can think of) is NIB, but the only place I ever saw those was the CoCo Friends disk magazine, which has its own viewers. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 5 17:39:04 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Picture Viewer Message-ID: <525703.18409.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone have a link and is this PD software or is it for sale? Thank you! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Willard Goosey wrote: From: Willard Goosey Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Picture Viewer To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:48 PM On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 08:24:30AM -0500, Joel Ewy wrote: > I haven't checked into the pc1 and hrx formats, but Roger Taylor's > Projector 3 comes to mind. Gotta agree.? Projector 3. (OK, I've now read entirely too many Xanth books.) Anyway, yeah.? Projector 3 will handle just about any native CoCo image format.? About the only one it doesn't (that I can think of) is NIB, but the only place I ever saw those was the CoCo Friends disk magazine, which has its own viewers. Willard -- Willard Goosey? goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. ? -- R.E. Howard -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 5 17:39:59 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:39:59 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> Message-ID: >From what I read on the support page, only ONE file had to be accesses for your entire collection to be preserved. Just as simply logging into your account resets the timer. - Chad -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Wolfe Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:28 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > I opened a free account on mediafire, and put some files up there to test it > out in early March. ?I just now logged > in (first time since march), and the files are still there and > down-loadable. ?I can't believe that each one of them > has been downloaded once a month over that time period. They must not purge > the files too often. :-) > > I am going to up up the first three years of rainbow for you guys to try > out, and see if it is more/less preferable > than what we are using now. ?Will email the link when they are up and ready. > ?Probably tomorrow. > That would be awesome. I have a nearly complete library of Rainbows in storage, 1500 miles away. I've been playing with the coco again lately and really wish I had access to a couple articles I remember. > > Tim Fadden > > Chad H wrote: >> >> >From what I read on their support site, all one has to do to maintain >> "current" status and full file retention is either have atleast one file >> downloaded every 30 days OR login to their account, which that alone >> should >> be sufficient to many people I would think. >> >> >> http://support.mediafire.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbart >> icleid=56&nav=0,4 >> >> - Chad >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Chad H >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:42 AM >> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' >> Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! >> >> This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and >> such >> for others. ?RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE >> users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, >> which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. >> >> http://www.mediafire.com ? ?I've been using this for the last month or so >> with large files and no problems so far, it's great! ?The service is >> essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web >> site >> while you are there, that's it! >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 5 17:41:55 2009 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> Message-ID: Also, the thing that seems like a great thing about MediaFire, is the ability to create folder collections and categories. Sharing a single folder of say...Rainbows.. With RapidShare, it seems people are having to provide links to each file. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Wolfe Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:28 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > I opened a free account on mediafire, and put some files up there to test it > out in early March. ?I just now logged > in (first time since march), and the files are still there and > down-loadable. ?I can't believe that each one of them > has been downloaded once a month over that time period. They must not purge > the files too often. :-) > > I am going to up up the first three years of rainbow for you guys to try > out, and see if it is more/less preferable > than what we are using now. ?Will email the link when they are up and ready. > ?Probably tomorrow. > That would be awesome. I have a nearly complete library of Rainbows in storage, 1500 miles away. I've been playing with the coco again lately and really wish I had access to a couple articles I remember. > > Tim Fadden > > Chad H wrote: >> >> >From what I read on their support site, all one has to do to maintain >> "current" status and full file retention is either have atleast one file >> downloaded every 30 days OR login to their account, which that alone >> should >> be sufficient to many people I would think. >> >> >> http://support.mediafire.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbart >> icleid=56&nav=0,4 >> >> - Chad >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Chad H >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:42 AM >> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' >> Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! >> >> This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and >> such >> for others. ?RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE >> users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, >> which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. >> >> http://www.mediafire.com ? ?I've been using this for the last month or so >> with large files and no problems so far, it's great! ?The service is >> essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web >> site >> while you are there, that's it! >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 5 18:13:53 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Picture Viewer Message-ID: <753047.14603.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes I am replying to my own post..I found it but it requires a 6309 CPU upgrade. I also found The Projector-2 in my vast collection which works great but I do not see an automatic slide show function. Anyone know if it exists in Projector-2? Thank you ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Derek wrote: From: Derek Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Picture Viewer To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 2:39 PM Anyone have a link and is this PD software or is it for sale? Thank you! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Willard Goosey wrote: From: Willard Goosey Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Picture Viewer To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:48 PM On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 08:24:30AM -0500, Joel Ewy wrote: > I haven't checked into the pc1 and hrx formats, but Roger Taylor's > Projector 3 comes to mind. Gotta agree.? Projector 3. (OK, I've now read entirely too many Xanth books.) Anyway, yeah.? Projector 3 will handle just about any native CoCo image format.? About the only one it doesn't (that I can think of) is NIB, but the only place I ever saw those was the CoCo Friends disk magazine, which has its own viewers. Willard -- Willard Goosey? goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. ? -- R.E. Howard -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco ? ? ? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From t.fadden at cox.net Sun Jul 5 18:53:01 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:53:01 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> Here are the first three years of Rainbow Magazine. For your testing. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=06dc17e308c99b37312dbd5f2bdc5062b95907176de17b9f5621d66e282a0ee8 Aaron Wolfe wrote: > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > >> I opened a free account on mediafire, and put some files up there to test it >> out in early March. I just now logged >> in (first time since march), and the files are still there and >> down-loadable. I can't believe that each one of them >> has been downloaded once a month over that time period. They must not purge >> the files too often. :-) >> >> I am going to up up the first three years of rainbow for you guys to try >> out, and see if it is more/less preferable >> than what we are using now. Will email the link when they are up and ready. >> Probably tomorrow. >> >> > > That would be awesome. I have a nearly complete library of Rainbows > in storage, 1500 miles away. I've been playing with the coco again > lately and really wish I had access to a couple articles I remember. > > > >> Tim Fadden >> >> Chad H wrote: >> >>> >From what I read on their support site, all one has to do to maintain >>> "current" status and full file retention is either have atleast one file >>> downloaded every 30 days OR login to their account, which that alone >>> should >>> be sufficient to many people I would think. >>> >>> >>> http://support.mediafire.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbart >>> icleid=56&nav=0,4 >>> >>> - Chad >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Chad H >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:42 AM >>> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' >>> Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! >>> >>> This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide Rainbows and >>> such >>> for others. RapidShare forces delays and "slower" transfer rates to FREE >>> users...this service imposes NO such limits, except for 100MB file sizes, >>> which can be dealt with by splitting large RAR/ZIP files. >>> >>> http://www.mediafire.com I've been using this for the last month or so >>> with large files and no problems so far, it's great! The service is >>> essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight adds on the web >>> site >>> while you are there, that's it! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 5 19:23:20 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo Message-ID: <961854.68628.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ran into an interesting situation. I have one of the Wico adapters to let me use Atari (9 PIN type) joysticks on my coco and with a standard joystick it works great. I also have an Atari 800 and I am able to take a standard 9 Pin type game pad from a Sega Genesis and use it on the Atari without any problems. When I plug the game pad into the Wico adapter on the coco it makes all the games act like I am holding the direction control to the right. I have tried multiple pads with various games and it always does the same thing. I can move the d-pad direction control? all directions and it works but when I let go it acts like I am pushing to the right Anyone know of a quick fix for this? I would not mind rewiring one of the game pads to make it work. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com Sun Jul 5 19:33:25 2009 From: coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:33:25 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo In-Reply-To: <961854.68628.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <961854.68628.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38336F6F-C7B4-4ED0-AFEE-5E6BD670D832@jeanpaulsamson.com> On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Derek wrote: > Ran into an interesting situation. I have one of the Wico adapters > to let me use Atari (9 PIN type) joysticks on my coco and with a > standard joystick it works great. I also have an Atari 800 and I am > able to take a standard 9 Pin type game pad from a Sega Genesis and > use it on the Atari without any problems. When I plug the game pad > into the Wico adapter on the coco it makes all the games act like I > am holding the direction control to the right. I have tried multiple > pads with various games and it always does the same thing. I can > move the d-pad direction control all directions and it works but > when I let go it acts like I am pushing to the right > > > Anyone know of a quick fix for this? I would not mind rewiring one > of the game pads to make it work. I'm interested in any insight on this problem, too. I thought that Sega Genesis controllers would be backwards compatible with the Atari joysticks. I built my own adapter using the Atari-to-CoCo schematics out there. But the Genesis control pad won't work with it, just as it didn't work with Derek's Wico adapter. (I get different directional outputs than Darek did, however.) The game pads don't look that easy to rewire since the buttons/d-pad lines feed into a small IC via a circuit board rather than directly out of the controller via the cable. -- JP From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 20:15:59 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:15:59 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo References: <961854.68628.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B551BF0A2694A839B6FA00B2450525D@master> There's a description, including schematic of the Sega pad here: http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=controls:megadrive_genesis_controller_3 -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" To: "CoCo List" Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo Ran into an interesting situation. I have one of the Wico adapters to let me use Atari (9 PIN type) joysticks on my coco and with a standard joystick it works great. I also have an Atari 800 and I am able to take a standard 9 Pin type game pad from a Sega Genesis and use it on the Atari without any problems. When I plug the game pad into the Wico adapter on the coco it makes all the games act like I am holding the direction control to the right. I have tried multiple pads with various games and it always does the same thing. I can move the d-pad direction control all directions and it works but when I let go it acts like I am pushing to the right Anyone know of a quick fix for this? I would not mind rewiring one of the game pads to make it work. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Sun Jul 5 21:38:55 2009 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:38:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> References: <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> Message-ID: <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:53:01 -0700, Tim Fadden had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >Here are the first three years of Rainbow Magazine. For your testing. > >http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=06dc17e308c99b37312dbd5f2bdc5062b95907176de17b9f5621d66e282a0ee8 > I get the following errors: Rainbow-1983-01.part5.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-01.pdf. The file is corrupt --- Rainbow-1983-02.part2.rar: Packed data CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The volume is corrupt Rainbow-1983-02.part4.rar: Packed data CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The volume is corrupt Rainbow-1983-02.part5.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The file is corrupt --- Rainbow-1983-04.part1.rar: Packed data CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-04.pdf. The volume is corrupt Rainbow-1983-04.part6.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-04.pdf. The file is corrupt ---- Rainbow-1983-11.part6.rar: Packed data CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-11.pdf. The volume is corrupt Rainbow-1983-11.part7.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-11.pdf. The file is corrupt ---- Since the rar files were made with NO recovery records, WinRAR 3.80 can't fix them. I've downloaded the affected files twice, no change. Since I didn't need all of 1983, the only other one I downloaded was 1983-03 and 1982-07 to 12, they extracted with no problems. -- Stephen 'I never met a piece of chocolate I didn't like.' From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 5 21:45:43 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:45:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> Message-ID: I downloaded the 5 Feb 83 RARs, but when I went to extract the PDF, the file was reported as broken. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:53 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! > > Here are the first three years of Rainbow Magazine. For your testing. > > http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=06dc17e308c99b37312dbd5f2bd > c5062b95907176de17b9f5621d66e282a0ee8 > > > > Aaron Wolfe wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > > > >> I opened a free account on mediafire, and put some files > up there to > >> test it out in early March. I just now logged in (first > time since > >> march), and the files are still there and down-loadable. I can't > >> believe that each one of them has been downloaded once a > month over > >> that time period. They must not purge the files too often. :-) > >> > >> I am going to up up the first three years of rainbow for > you guys to > >> try out, and see if it is more/less preferable than what > we are using > >> now. Will email the link when they are up and ready. > >> Probably tomorrow. > >> > >> > > > > That would be awesome. I have a nearly complete library of > Rainbows > > in storage, 1500 miles away. I've been playing with the coco again > > lately and really wish I had access to a couple articles I remember. > > > > > > > >> Tim Fadden > >> > >> Chad H wrote: > >> > >>> >From what I read on their support site, all one has to do to > >>> >maintain > >>> "current" status and full file retention is either have > atleast one > >>> file downloaded every 30 days OR login to their account, > which that > >>> alone should be sufficient to many people I would think. > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://support.mediafire.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewartic > >>> le&kbart > >>> icleid=56&nav=0,4 > >>> > >>> - Chad > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > >>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > >>> On > >>> Behalf Of Chad H > >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:42 AM > >>> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' > >>> Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! > >>> > >>> This is for all those who are using RapidShare to provide > Rainbows > >>> and such for others. RapidShare forces delays and > "slower" transfer > >>> rates to FREE users...this service imposes NO such limits, except > >>> for 100MB file sizes, which can be dealt with by splitting large > >>> RAR/ZIP files. > >>> > >>> http://www.mediafire.com I've been using this for the > last month or so > >>> with large files and no problems so far, it's great! The > service is > >>> essentially add supported, meaning you see some slight > adds on the > >>> web site while you are there, that's it! > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Coco mailing list > >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Coco mailing list > >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From t.fadden at cox.net Sun Jul 5 22:16:50 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:16:50 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com> References: <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4A515E92.8080409@cox.net> That sucks! :-) I tested my original files which worked just fine. I downloaded the 5 Feb. 83 issues, and sure enough I had crc corruption in the same three files. So, I would take that to mean the corruption happened in the upload process. Seems strange that no error correction would be taking place. ???? I guess this will not be such a good alternative after all. :-( I have been transferring files on the web since 1982, and have not really ever came across this much file corruption. I really don't want to download and test every single file I put up there to see if it got corrupted or not. What if I had purchased the premium package, and uploaded a 2gig file, and it go corrupted! No Thanks, I will delete, and re-upload the files in question, and let you know when it is done. Probably an hour or two. Guess I will find out about the rest later. :-) Tim Stephen Castello wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:53:01 -0700, Tim Fadden had > a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: > > >> Here are the first three years of Rainbow Magazine. For your testing. >> >> http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=06dc17e308c99b37312dbd5f2bdc5062b95907176de17b9f5621d66e282a0ee8 >> >> > > I get the following errors: > > Rainbow-1983-01.part5.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-01.pdf. The file > is corrupt > --- > Rainbow-1983-02.part2.rar: Packed data CRC failed in > Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The volume is corrupt > > Rainbow-1983-02.part4.rar: Packed data CRC failed in > Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The volume is corrupt > > Rainbow-1983-02.part5.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The file > is corrupt > --- > Rainbow-1983-04.part1.rar: Packed data CRC failed in > Rainbow-1983-04.pdf. The volume is corrupt > > Rainbow-1983-04.part6.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-04.pdf. The file > is corrupt > ---- > Rainbow-1983-11.part6.rar: Packed data CRC failed in > Rainbow-1983-11.pdf. The volume is corrupt > > Rainbow-1983-11.part7.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-11.pdf. The file > is corrupt > ---- > > Since the rar files were made with NO recovery records, WinRAR 3.80 > can't fix them. I've downloaded the affected files twice, no change. > Since I didn't need all of 1983, the only other one I downloaded was > 1983-03 and 1982-07 to 12, they extracted with no problems. > > From t.fadden at cox.net Sun Jul 5 23:02:13 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:02:13 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: <4A515E92.8080409@cox.net> References: <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com> <4A515E92.8080409@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A516935.4070507@cox.net> All of the files in question have been replaced. Tim Tim Fadden wrote: > That sucks! :-) > I tested my original files which worked just fine. I downloaded the 5 > Feb. 83 issues, and sure enough I had crc corruption in the same three > files. So, I would take that to mean the corruption happened in the > upload process. Seems strange that no error correction would be taking > place. ???? I guess this will not be such a good alternative after > all. :-( I have been transferring files on the web since 1982, and > have not really ever came across this much file corruption. I really > don't want to download and test every single file I put up there to > see if it got corrupted or not. What if I had purchased the premium > package, and uploaded a 2gig file, and it go corrupted! No Thanks, > > I will delete, and re-upload the files in question, and let you know > when it is done. Probably an hour or two. Guess I will find out about > the rest later. :-) > > > Tim > > > Stephen Castello wrote: >> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:53:01 -0700, Tim Fadden had >> a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >> >> >>> Here are the first three years of Rainbow Magazine. For your testing. >>> >>> http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=06dc17e308c99b37312dbd5f2bdc5062b95907176de17b9f5621d66e282a0ee8 >>> >>> >>> >> >> I get the following errors: >> >> Rainbow-1983-01.part5.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-01.pdf. The file >> is corrupt >> --- >> Rainbow-1983-02.part2.rar: Packed data CRC failed in >> Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The volume is corrupt >> >> Rainbow-1983-02.part4.rar: Packed data CRC failed in >> Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The volume is corrupt >> >> Rainbow-1983-02.part5.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The file >> is corrupt >> --- >> Rainbow-1983-04.part1.rar: Packed data CRC failed in >> Rainbow-1983-04.pdf. The volume is corrupt >> >> Rainbow-1983-04.part6.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-04.pdf. The file >> is corrupt >> ---- >> Rainbow-1983-11.part6.rar: Packed data CRC failed in >> Rainbow-1983-11.pdf. The volume is corrupt >> >> Rainbow-1983-11.part7.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-11.pdf. The file >> is corrupt >> ---- >> >> Since the rar files were made with NO recovery records, WinRAR 3.80 >> can't fix them. I've downloaded the affected files twice, no change. >> Since I didn't need all of 1983, the only other one I downloaded was >> 1983-03 and 1982-07 to 12, they extracted with no problems. >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From brucewcalkins at charter.net Mon Jul 6 06:00:47 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 06:00:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! References: <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net><4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1BB1695B121749D3BB3AB0F2E742AD87@speedy> > I get the following errors: > I downloaded several. Only one gave an error on unzipping. I unzipped it again and it was fine. Bruce W. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 11:02:33 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! Message-ID: <809547.4087.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will keep my rapidshare archives up long term and will be adding to them over time but the overall best free alternative is torrents. That way everyone can take part in sharing and if enough people keep the torrents running it can take care of the long term retention. You would want to split torrents up into different categories rather than one gigantic torrent for various reasons. From keeper63 at cox.net Mon Jul 6 11:21:32 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:21:32 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A52167C.909@cox.net> > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:15:59 +1000 > From: "Bob Devries" > Subject: Re: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Message-ID: <7B551BF0A2694A839B6FA00B2450525D at master> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > There's a description, including schematic of the Sega pad here: > > http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=controls:megadrive_genesis_controller_3 Hmm - from that schematic and description, that's about how I remember it from the days of trying to get one to work on an Amiga. IIRC, someone figured it out and got it working on an Amiga with software (I can't remember the specifics, but the Amiga's joystick port if I remember had an output line that could be toggled). This would explain why it is behaving somewhat oddly - probably the chip in some manner is floating high or low (?) on the output, toggling it? Or something like that. It would probably be best just to rip that chip out of an old controller (I see them all the time at Goodwill) and re-wire it. What would also be neat, though, would be to build an interface (similar to the hires dongle?) that plugged into the joystick port and/or the serial/cassette port, and gave you as many inputs as you needed. Of course, it wouldn't work with existing software without patching, so it may be a mostly useless thing at this point... -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 6 11:40:10 2009 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> I think the early MM/1's owners got a better deal than the later owners. Mine was one of the earlier models and not only did I get a copy os Sculptor but a complete set of OSK Manuals too. I also got a lot other programs too. Can not at present remember the others. You might contact Dave Kelly. He has my old MM/1. John Donaldson Joel Ewy wrote: > Paul Fitch wrote: >> Way back when when I had my MM/1, it came with Sculptor. That's why I >> thouhgt 68k( =OS-9/68000). I never heard of a Level II version, so >> my bad. >> > Your MM/1 came with Sculptor? Dang, mine didn't. > > JCE >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com >>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:57 PM >>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes >>> >>> Not sure where you came up with 68k. Nothing I mentioned has >>> anything to do with that. Sculptor runs on a os9 level 2 on a 6809 >>> coco, and Open Office runs on windows, Linux, Solaris, and Macs, >>> none of which is 68k! :-) >>> >>> Thanks for the data base I will work with it, and see if I can do >>> some conversions! >>> I do have one laptop with Works on it, although I don't use it. >>> Hopefully it will have some export functionality. Will let you know >>> how I get along. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Fitch wrote: >>> >>>> I just sent you a copy. Although, where I'm heading with this is a >>>> back port to DECB and OS9 Level 2, since the vast majority >>> of the info >>>> in the database is Coco related, and not 68k. There is 68k >>> stuff in >>>> there, but only 1-2%. >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com >>>>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:34 AM >>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes >>>>> >>>>> Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set >>> up several >>>>> databases in sculptor, but have never studied/tried >>> transferring data >>>>> from some source into a sculptor database. >>>>> If you send me a portion of what you have, I will attempt >>> to import >>>>> it into a Sculptor database. >>>>> >>>>> If the field types/sizes/names etc, are not obvious, let >>> me know that >>>>> information also. >>>>> >>>>> Don't feel any obligation, but I am willing to spend some >>> time and >>>>> effort into doing the conversion. >>>>> >>>>> Another good candidate would be OpenOffice the free and >>> open source >>>>> office suite. >>>>> >>>>> Tim Fadden >>>>> t.fadden at cox.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul Fitch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Status Update: I'm doing between 2 and 6 months a night >>> of various >>>>>> magazines in my possession. I'm about 1/2 the way thru the >>>>>> >>>>> Bellingham >>>>> >>>>>> User Group Newsletter, I've completed the 80 Micro in my >>>>>> >>>>> possession, >>>>> >>>>>> 80 US Journal/Basic Computing and CocoNutz. I've started >>>>>> >>>>> on the Aus Coco issues. >>>>> >>>>>> I've sent one person the draft of the database last week. >>>>>> >>>>> No feedback yet. >>>>> >>>>>> While going thru old issues I discovered that Bob van del >>>>>> >>>>> Poel had a >>>>> >>>>>> magazine index he was selling around 2000. Does anyone >>>>>> >>>>> remember that? >>>>>> Was it any good? If it was I may want to contact him and >>> see if he >>>>>> might want to allow me to include his work in with what I'm doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I'm done with the Works version of the database I'd >>>>>> >>>>> like to see >>>>> >>>>>> it converted over to OS-9 for use on HD systems. Anyone have any >>>>>> thoughts on how much of a pain that's going to be? >>>>>> >>>>>> I expect the database to top out around 2-3 meg when >>>>>> >>>>> completed. Its >>>>> >>>>>> at 1.3 meg now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- From wschaub at steubentech.com Mon Jul 6 12:00:33 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:00:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] looking for joystick repair tips. Message-ID: <4A521FA1.80100@steubentech.com> I have two deluxe joysticks that seem to need my attention. they don't register the full range of motion particularly on the down and up positions. I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips for restoring coco joysticks. (the ones in the white case that can be switched from spring loaded to totally free and have calibration levers) I know I will have to take it apart but I have no idea what I am looking for. is it just a simple matter of cleaning or are there some components I will have to replace? From aawolfe at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 12:12:01 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:12:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip Message-ID: Hello, I have been experimenting with a simple way to allow multiple tcpip connections to a coco over a single serial connection on the bit banger port. This allows multi user applications running on the coco to be accessible via the internet. I've written a very simple chat room type application in Basic as proof of concept. it mostly works fine :) I would like to extend this idea to OS-9, to allow multiple terminals to be internet accessible. I believe this would be possible, and by having multiple 'virtual' serial devices corresponding to the different IP connections perhaps one could run multiline BBS software originally intended to use modems. Having a coco bbs connected to the internet is fairly easy, but having a multi line/user BBS would be really interesting. This could also be used to provide multiple regular os9 shell logins over an IP network. I'm a bit stuck on making progress with an os9 driver right now as I do not have any working disk drive hardware or RS232 pack. Currently I load the software using the Drivewire cable via the bit banger, then remove that cable and connect the terminal server which does the IP->serial conversion. So while the software is running, I have no drives.. or I can have drives to boot os9 but cannot use the serial port for my software.. catch 22 kind of thing. Also, I'm using the remote2 serial driver from Rainbow mag, this is limiting me to 600 baud which is not very quick when you multiplex several connections over it :) I'd like to eventually do this via an rs232 pak if I can find one, and a multipak interface too i suppose. Is anyone else interested in this? If it would be useful to people then I might go ahead and purchase the superide from cloud9 or something similar. I am no expert in os9 either, so although the coco side of the multiplexed serial connection is very simple I could certainly use a hand implementing it. basically just need to extend the serial driver to provide multiple os9 devices and decode/encode the serial data to associate with the correct device. the concept is simple, not sure about the implementation. -Aaron From wschaub at steubentech.com Mon Jul 6 13:50:43 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:50:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> Aaron Wolfe wrote: > Hello, > > I have been experimenting with a simple way to allow multiple tcpip > connections to a coco over a single serial connection on the bit > banger port. > This allows multi user applications running on the coco to be > accessible via the internet. I've written a very simple chat room > type > application in Basic as proof of concept. it mostly works fine :) > > I would like to extend this idea to OS-9, to allow multiple terminals > to be internet accessible. I believe this would be possible, and by > having multiple 'virtual' serial devices corresponding to the > different IP connections perhaps one could run multiline BBS software > originally intended to use modems. > Having a coco bbs connected to the internet is fairly easy, but having > a multi line/user BBS would be really interesting. This could also be > used to provide multiple regular os9 shell logins over an IP network. > > I'm a bit stuck on making progress with an os9 driver right now as I > do not have any working disk drive hardware or RS232 pack. Currently > I load the software using the Drivewire cable via the bit banger, then > remove that cable and connect the terminal server which does the > IP->serial conversion. So while the software is running, I have no > drives.. or I can have drives to boot os9 but cannot use the serial > port for my software.. catch 22 kind of thing. Also, I'm using the > remote2 serial driver from Rainbow mag, this is limiting me to 600 > baud which is not very quick when you multiplex several connections > over it :) I'd like to eventually do this via an rs232 pak if I can > find one, and a multipak interface too i suppose. > > Is anyone else interested in this? If it would be useful to people > then I might go ahead and purchase the superide from cloud9 or > something similar. I am no expert in os9 either, so although the coco > side of the multiplexed serial connection is very simple I could > certainly use a hand implementing it. basically just need to extend > the serial driver to provide multiple os9 devices and decode/encode > the serial data to associate with the correct device. the concept is > simple, not sure about the implementation. > > -Aaron > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > I once had a similar Idea. this may be possible if an API to the drivewire routines could be exposed to developers on OS/9 you would have to extend the drivewire server software to handle some new custom opcodes and pass traffic back and forth. and you would have to do lots of polling but I think it could be done. but as far as I know I don't know if boisy ever added any way for a programmer to access the drivewire bit banger routines to extend the system. (I'm still using drivewire V2.0) From coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com Mon Jul 6 14:04:37 2009 From: coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:04:37 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo In-Reply-To: <4A52167C.909@cox.net> References: <4A52167C.909@cox.net> Message-ID: <93777CDC-92F8-4563-8498-F0AD207BA027@jeanpaulsamson.com> On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Andrew wrote: > It would probably be best just to rip that chip out of an old > controller (I see them all the time at Goodwill) and re-wire it. The chip is just a 4x 2-to-1 line multiplexer. I figured if I just held the select high (pin one) by connecting it to the CoCo's 5V line, I'd be able to read the up-down-left-right-B-C buttons and map those to the CoCo using an Atari-to-CoCo adapter. One day, I'll just have to slap together a breadboard and play around with the thing to figure out what is wrong with my thinking. The later Genesis joypads were more complicated and had six buttons plus two left-and-right shoulders. These were read by placing the joypad's IC in a special state by sending a carefully timed signal to it on the select line. It was done in this way to ensure backwards compatibility with the old mapping scheme. -- JP From coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com Mon Jul 6 14:14:20 2009 From: coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:14:20 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo In-Reply-To: <93777CDC-92F8-4563-8498-F0AD207BA027@jeanpaulsamson.com> References: <4A52167C.909@cox.net> <93777CDC-92F8-4563-8498-F0AD207BA027@jeanpaulsamson.com> Message-ID: Here's some more reading I found regarding Genesis control pads: ============================================ = Sega Six Button Controller Hardware Info = ============================================ Source: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~chuck/infopg/segasix.txt Author: Charles Rosenberg, chuck at cs.cmu.edu Version: 1.0 Last Update: 9/9/96 ========== Background ========== A couple of months ago I was looking for a cheap, robust, hand held controller for a project I was working on. The controller for the Sega Genesis was the perfect choice because it was ready available and had a standard DB-9 connector for interfacing instead of the proprietary connectors used on the controllers for a lot of the newer game systems. I was able to find interface info for the 3 button controller, but I could not find any information about accessing the X, Y, and Z buttons on the newer 6 button controllers. A little reverse engineering uncovered the necessary info. This document describes how to interface to a 6 button Sega Genesis Controller. ============ Introduction ============ The controller for the Sega Genesis is a hand held controller useful for many applications. It has a joypad, a start button, and action buttons. Another big advantage is that it has a standard DB-9 connector for interfacing instead of a proprietary connector. The original version of the controller has three action buttons, labeled: A, B, and C. The original version was easy to interface to. Newer versions of controller have six buttons, the original three and three new ones, labeled: X, Y, and Z. The newer version is a little more tricky. ====================== Three Button Interface ====================== The interface for the original three button controller is relatively simple. (I know that it has been described elsewhere, but I think that this description is more straightforward.) You can open up the controller and see that a standard quad 2:1 multiplexer chip is inside, a 74HC157. A 2:1 multiplexer directs data from one of two sources to a single input line based on the state of a select signal. So, theoretically, this chip would allow 8 signals to be sent over 4 data lines. The way the Genesis uses this chip, the data from the 8 switches in the controller is sent over 6 data lines, not quite the most economical solution, but one which makes the controller backwards compatible with Atari 2600 joysticks. Inside the controller is a small PC board which contains the 74HC157, some 10K pull-up resistors and some bypass capacitors. The switches are connected so when a switch is pressed (closed) it shorts its output to ground, otherwise it's output is 5 volts (via the pull-up resistors). One additional connection is a pull-up resistor on the select line. If it is left unconnected it will be "pulled" high. The following tables summarize how the signals are mapped to DB-9. The output signal to a particular pin depends on the state of the select line from the Genesis. During a standard game, the processor will set the select line high or low, depending on the which game controller buttons it wants to read. This table lists connections which are outputs from the Genesis to the controller, the first column is the pin number of the DB-9: Pin Connection --- --------------- 5 Power: +5 Volts 7 Select signal 8 Power: Ground This table lists connections which are outputs from the controller to the Genesis and are dependent on the logic level to the select signal, again the first column is the pin of number the DB-9: Pin Connection with select low Connection with select high --- -------------------------- --------------------------- 1 joypad up signal joypad up signal 2 joypad down signal joypad down signal 3 logic low (ground) joypad left signal 4 logic low (ground) joypad right signal 6 Button A signal Button B signal 9 Start button signal Button C signal Notice that the signals on pins 1 and 2 are not affected by the select signal, there is a direct connection from those switches to the corresponding pins. Also notice that signals on pins 3 and 4 are not used to send switch info when select is low. If you monitor the select signal to the controller on an oscilloscope while playing a game on the Genesis, it will look something like this: 5V ---+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +--- | | | | | | 0V |_| |_| |_| The low time of the signals is not drawn to scale with the period of the signals. However, notice that the signal is mostly in one state (high), and then is low (inverted) for a short period. A typical game may sample the controller at 60 Hz, resulting in a period of 16.7 milliseconds. The low time for a select signal pulse might be around 20 microseconds. The timing can vary significantly from game to game. The basic reason for this pulse pattern, is that every so often, the game will call a routine which reads the state of the controller. This routine will bring the select signal low and then record those values and the bring it back to its default state. That sums up the three button controller, now on to the new stuff. ==================== Six Button Interface ==================== The three button controller description was just a preamble for the six button controller. When you open up the six button controller, you notice a bunch of differences in the circuit besides the three new buttons. The simple one is the addition of a fourth button which acts as a mode select and tells the controller to be compatible with three button controller games. The ugly one is that the nice standard HC157 has been replaced with a custom chip (a microcontroller, a GAL?) and most of the pull-up resistors are gone. So instead of being able to trace out the circuit, you have to resort to the oscilloscope (or logic analyzer) and see what the signals are doing while playing a game that uses the additional three buttons. My test subject was MK3. So why did Sega go to all of this trouble of replacing a nice simple logic chip with a custom IC? Did they have too much time and money on their hands? (Of course that is a possibility.) No, the reason seems to be backwards compatibility. As the descriptions following I hope will show, the new controller is designed to be compatible with almost all three button games, without the use of the mode select switch. Some quick probing on the circuit board reveals that the pull-up resistors for the switches have moved inside the chip and all of the switches still output a logic low when pressed. The pull-up for the select signal still exists as a discrete resistor. There are also some additional capacitors for power supply filtering and generating the clock signal for the custom chip. If you monitor the select signal generated during a game, you will see something like the following: 5V ---+-+-+-+-------------+-+-+-+-------------+-+-+-+--- | | | | | | | | | | | | 0V | | | | | | | | | | | | The amount of time between the start one of these pulse groups and the next is about 16.6 milliseconds or 60 Hz. In my interfacing experiments I have successfully used 33.3 milliseconds or 30 Hz. A closer examination of the pulse groups on the select line: 5V ---+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +----------------------------------- | | | | | | | | 0V |_| |_| |_| |_| The period of these signals for MK3 was about 27.6 microseconds. That is the high or low time for the pulses was 13.8 microseconds. In my interfacing experiments I successfully used a signal with a 200 microsecond period, 100 microsecond high or low time. I suspect that there is some maximum period length associated with a time-out in the custom chip, but I have not investigated what that is. Interesting things reveal themselves if you monitor pin 3 of the DB-9 with the X button pressed: 5V ---+ +-+ +-+ +------------------------------------- | | | | | | 0V |_| |_| |___| And if you monitor pin 3 of the DB-9 with the X button NOT pressed: 5V ---+ +-+ +-+ +--------------------------------------- | | | | | | 0V |_| |_| |_| Now what Sega has done can be deciphered. To obtain the new button data, a series of pulses needs to be sent to the controller on the select line. For the first two pulses, the controller responds in the same way as a three button controller. However, immediately after the third pulse goes from low to high, the controller will output new data on existing data lines. You can think of this as a new value for the select line: Low, High, and what I will call Pulse-3. The fourth pulse resets the controller to compatible mode. The updated table with the third select state is as follows, the first two columns are the same as the three button case: Pin Select: low Select: high Select: pulse-3 --- ------------ ------------ --------------- 1 joypad up joypad up button Z 2 joypad down joypad down button Y 3 logic low joypad left button X 4 logic low joypad right 6 button A button B 9 start button button C This table does not change from the three button controller case: Pin Connection --- --------------- 5 Power: +5 Volts 7 Select signal 8 Power: Ground So what about compatibility? Under normal circumstances this system maintains compatibility. So what's the use of the "compatibility" mode switch? Obviously the controller could be fooled if some games do strange things with the select line. Some game code might not poll and store the state of the controller, if game code accesses the controller throughout its code, then unpredictable pulse trains could be sent to the controller which put it in "pulse-3" mode. And how about games that aren't compatible no matter what? My guess is that that has to do with the speed of the custom chip. Because the three button version uses a discrete logic chip, the outputs of the multiplexer can react to the state of select line in a matter of nanoseconds. However a little microprocessor or a slowly clocked state machine made from custom logic would not be able to respond as quickly, causing incompatibility problems if code was written to assume instantaneous response on the select line. ========== Conclusion ========== So interfacing is not that difficult after all if you are interfacing the controller to a microprocessor of some sort. In my case it was a 68332 running Lisp. I highly recommend the controller it packs a lot of punch in a small price and the DB-9 interface makes it easily replaceable if it goes bad. Have fun interfacing. From aawolfe at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 14:15:27 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:15:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> References: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM, William Schaub wrote: > Aaron Wolfe wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I have been experimenting with a simple way to allow multiple tcpip >> connections to a coco over a single serial connection on the bit >> banger port. >> This allows multi user applications running on the coco to be >> accessible via the internet. ?I've written a very simple chat room >> type >> application in Basic as proof of concept. ?it mostly works fine :) >> >> I would like to extend this idea to OS-9, to allow multiple terminals >> to be internet accessible. ?I believe this would be possible, and by >> having multiple 'virtual' serial devices corresponding to the >> different IP connections perhaps one could run multiline BBS software >> originally intended to use modems. >> Having a coco bbs connected to the internet is fairly easy, but having >> a multi line/user BBS would be really interesting. ?This could also be >> used to provide multiple regular os9 shell logins over an IP network. >> >> I'm a bit stuck on making progress with an os9 driver right now as I >> do not have any working disk drive hardware or RS232 pack. ?Currently >> I load the software using the Drivewire cable via the bit banger, then >> remove that cable and connect the terminal server which does the >> IP->serial conversion. ?So while the software is running, I have no >> drives.. or I can have drives to boot os9 but cannot use the serial >> port for my software.. catch 22 kind of thing. ? ?Also, I'm using the >> remote2 serial driver from Rainbow mag, this is limiting me to 600 >> baud which is not very quick when you multiplex several connections >> over it :) ?I'd like to eventually do this via an rs232 pak if I can >> find one, and a multipak interface too i suppose. >> >> Is anyone else interested in this? ?If it would be useful to people >> then I might go ahead and purchase the superide from cloud9 or >> something similar. ?I am no expert in os9 either, so although the coco >> side of the multiplexed serial connection is very simple I could >> certainly use a hand implementing it. ?basically just need to extend >> the serial driver to provide multiple os9 devices and decode/encode >> the serial data to associate with the correct device. ? the concept is >> simple, not sure about the implementation. >> >> -Aaron >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > I once had a similar Idea. this may be possible if an API to the drivewire > routines could be exposed to developers on OS/9 you would have to extend the > drivewire server software to handle some new custom opcodes and pass traffic > back and forth. and you would have to do lots of polling but I think it > could be done. but as far as I know I don't know if boisy ever added any way > for a programmer to access the drivewire bit banger routines to extend the > system. (I'm still using drivewire V2.0) > > that's interesting, I had not considered using the drivewire interface to do this. my current setup is completly incompatible with it, which is why I was planning on getting a 'real' drive interface of some kind to move forward. the drivewire does provide both a disk system and a realtime clock to os9... providing a usable serial port would be a natural and very useful extension. currently, I terminate tcpip connections on a linux box running server code that handles all the sockets and communicates with the coco by way of a single ip connection to a terminal server. the serial data is given a header that indicates which session it belongs to on the way in by my server code, and on the way out by the coco. this allows multiple simultaneous sessions to the coco. my poc code is running in basic (due to the limitations of my current setup) so the coco side is not multitasking, it is handling the events sequentially, limiting its usefulness to small things that can be done quickly, like chat rooms or very simple bbs type systems. however if the sessions could terminate in devices under os9, this would become very nice for true multiuser scenarios running any kind of software. crude ascii: (internet) === lots of ip connections ===> (linux server) --- one ip connection ---> (term server) --- one serial connection ---> (coco) (and it all actually works :) -Aaron > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From boisy at tee-boy.com Mon Jul 6 16:11:37 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:11:37 -0500 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: References: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> Message-ID: <55407554-68C5-4947-97E1-18D0FC8E03B5@tee-boy.com> Gentlemen, DriveWire 3 opens up the bit banger routines under NitrOS-9 for just what you want to do. The DW3 subroutine module has 6 entry points much like a driver, and can be called from any other module. In fact, the rbdw3 RBF driver calls into the DW3 subroutine module this way, and so does the clock module. The DriveWire 3 has been totally modularized to facilitate extensions like the one you're contemplating. The difficulty, as you noted, is polling over the bitbanger. Here's what I've done as an experiment: I have a protocol extension to DriveWire 3 and rudimentary driver written that uses F$VIRQ to install a virtual interrupt service routine that hooks to the clock. For some number of times per second, the clock driver will call the interrupt routine in my driver, which sends out a packet to the server to see if there is data available. The server responds back with one of two possible indications: (a) no data or (b) data available, and the data itself. The driver then gets the data and processes this. Note that this is not nearly as ideal as an interrupt drive mechanism (which is not possible at the speed the bitbanger is being pushed), but it does work, and a similar model can be used to do what you want done. All you need to do is design your own driver and protocol, and extend the DriveWire server to honor that protocol. Boisy On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM, William > Schaub wrote: >> Aaron Wolfe wrote: >> >> I once had a similar Idea. this may be possible if an API to the >> drivewire >> routines could be exposed to developers on OS/9 you would have to >> extend the >> drivewire server software to handle some new custom opcodes and >> pass traffic >> back and forth. and you would have to do lots of polling but I >> think it >> could be done. but as far as I know I don't know if boisy ever >> added any way >> for a programmer to access the drivewire bit banger routines to >> extend the >> system. (I'm still using drivewire V2.0) >> >> > > that's interesting, I had not considered using the drivewire interface > to do this. my current setup is completly incompatible with it, which > is why I was planning on getting a 'real' drive interface of some kind > to move forward. the drivewire does provide both a disk system and a > realtime clock to os9... providing a usable serial port would be a > natural and very useful extension. > > currently, I terminate tcpip connections on a linux box running server > code that handles all the sockets and communicates with the coco by > way of a single ip connection to a terminal server. the serial data > is given a header that indicates which session it belongs to on the > way in by my server code, and on the way out by the coco. this allows > multiple simultaneous sessions to the coco. my poc code is running in > basic (due to the limitations of my current setup) so the coco side is > not multitasking, it is handling the events sequentially, limiting its > usefulness to small things that can be done quickly, like chat rooms > or very simple bbs type systems. however if the sessions could > terminate in devices under os9, this would become very nice for true > multiuser scenarios running any kind of software. > > crude ascii: > > (internet) === lots of ip connections ===> (linux server) --- one ip > connection ---> (term server) --- one serial connection ---> (coco) > > (and it all actually works :) > > -Aaron > > > >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 17:53:41 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:53:41 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo References: <4A52167C.909@cox.net> <93777CDC-92F8-4563-8498-F0AD207BA027@jeanpaulsamson.com> Message-ID: As well as holding the select line high, you need to hold the enable line (pin 15) low. Without opening the game pad, you could tie the plug pin 8 to ground, and connect pin 7 to pin 5. However, The way this pad works, the buttons always connect to +5V via a resistor when the buttons are not pressed. Pressing them, makes them connect to 0V. This may be the reason why the pad 'floats' to one state or another? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.P. Samson" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo > On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Andrew wrote: >> It would probably be best just to rip that chip out of an old controller >> (I see them all the time at Goodwill) and re-wire it. > > The chip is just a 4x 2-to-1 line multiplexer. I figured if I just held > the select high (pin one) by connecting it to the CoCo's 5V line, I'd be > able to read the up-down-left-right-B-C buttons and map those to the CoCo > using an Atari-to-CoCo adapter. > > One day, I'll just have to slap together a breadboard and play around > with the thing to figure out what is wrong with my thinking. > > The later Genesis joypads were more complicated and had six buttons plus > two left-and-right shoulders. These were read by placing the joypad's IC > in a special state by sending a carefully timed signal to it on the > select line. It was done in this way to ensure backwards compatibility > with the old mapping scheme. > > -- JP > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com Mon Jul 6 18:04:40 2009 From: coco+list at jeanpaulsamson.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:04:40 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo In-Reply-To: References: <4A52167C.909@cox.net> <93777CDC-92F8-4563-8498-F0AD207BA027@jeanpaulsamson.com> Message-ID: <3F2C5811-E2E2-4D50-BBFE-C18E44935D7B@jeanpaulsamson.com> On Jul 6, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > As well as holding the select line high, you need to hold the enable > line (pin 15) low. > > Without opening the game pad, you could tie the plug pin 8 to > ground, and connect pin 7 to pin 5. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what I did, making sure all the lows were tied together on a common ground. One day, I'll dig the project out of the storage boxes and try to figure it out. It does seem pretty simple, so I didn't bother to do any prototyping when I soldered together my adapter. In fact, I built two adapters, and both didn't work in exactly the same way. At least I'm consistent! -- JP From theother_bob at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 19:06:31 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] looking for joystick repair tips. In-Reply-To: <4A521FA1.80100@steubentech.com> References: <4A521FA1.80100@steubentech.com> Message-ID: <593083.96573.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: William Schaub To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 11:00:33 AM Subject: [Coco] looking for joystick repair tips. I have two deluxe joysticks that seem to need my attention. they don't register the full range of motion particularly on the down and up positions. I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips for restoring coco joysticks. (the ones in the white case that can be switched from spring loaded to totally free and have calibration levers) I know I will have to take it apart but I have no idea what I am looking for. is it just a simple matter of cleaning or are there some components I will have to replace? ----- It's possible, but not likely (I think) that cleaning the pots will restore the full range to the pots. Worth doing regardless. The only components in a CoCo joystick are 2 pots, 2 buttons. The deluxe joysticks are mechanically a little more complex but nothing extreme. Nothing should jump out or fall apart when you open it up. If cleaning fails to work, there may be an issue with the joystick 5v supply. It is a current-limited setup that is sensitive to any drop in voltage. For example, I once tried putting a power LED in a CoCo joystick, the power consumption was enough to cause a loss of range in the joystick. Check for clean connections by measuring voltage in the computer and in the joystick. Measure the 5V line and the X and Y lines to see if they are consistent inside the computer vs inside the stick. HTH, Bob From aawolfe at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 19:16:28 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: <55407554-68C5-4947-97E1-18D0FC8E03B5@tee-boy.com> References: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> <55407554-68C5-4947-97E1-18D0FC8E03B5@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: Wow, this really has me interested. Using drivewire to provide one or more serial ports -> ip sockets would open the door to: running a coco bbs available on the net using coco term programs over the net to connect to those boards in all their native coco splendor :) even running a web server,etc on the coco a simple simulated AT modem implementation could "dial" ip addresses using the hosts ip connection, and respond to incoming tcp connections with a ring, etc. standard coco term programs could probably become internet enabled without modification. just enter an IP address instead of a phone number into your favorite term program, and away you go. I am very willing to put time into this, and I have quite a bit of programming experience but I'm new to os9 and very rusty with assembler. I could definitely implement the windows/mac/host ip side of things, not so sure about the os9 side. is the source to the drivewire server available, or the protocol documented anywhere? i didn't find much on the web site or in the docs included with mine. anyone want to tackle some or all of the os9 side of things? is there anything similar to this already existing? dont want to reinvent the wheel. any pointers are much appreciated. -Aaron On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Boisy Pitre wrote: > Gentlemen, > > DriveWire 3 opens up the bit banger routines under NitrOS-9 for just what > you want to do. ?The DW3 subroutine module has 6 entry points much like a > driver, and can be called from any other module. ?In fact, the rbdw3 RBF > driver calls into the DW3 subroutine module this way, and so does the clock > module. ?The DriveWire 3 has been totally modularized to facilitate > extensions like the one you're contemplating. > > The difficulty, as you noted, is polling over the bitbanger. ?Here's what > I've done as an experiment: I have a protocol extension to DriveWire 3 and > rudimentary driver written that uses F$VIRQ to install a virtual interrupt > service routine that hooks to the clock. ?For some number of times per > second, the clock driver will call the interrupt routine in my driver, which > sends out a packet to the server to see if there is data available. The > server responds back with one of two possible indications: (a) no data or > (b) data available, and the data itself. ?The driver then gets the data and > processes this. > > Note that this is not nearly as ideal as an interrupt drive mechanism (which > is not possible at the speed the bitbanger is being pushed), but it does > work, and a similar model can be used to do what you want done. ?All you > need to do is design your own driver and protocol, and extend the DriveWire > server to honor that protocol. > > Boisy > > On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM, William Schaub >> wrote: >>> >>> Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>> >>> I once had a similar Idea. this may be possible if an API to the >>> drivewire >>> routines could be exposed to developers on OS/9 you would have to extend >>> the >>> drivewire server software to handle some new custom opcodes and pass >>> traffic >>> back and forth. and you would have to do lots of polling but I think it >>> could be done. but as far as I know I don't know if boisy ever added any >>> way >>> for a programmer to access the drivewire bit banger routines to extend >>> the >>> system. (I'm still using drivewire V2.0) >>> >>> >> >> that's interesting, I had not considered using the drivewire interface >> to do this. ?my current setup is completly incompatible with it, which >> is why I was planning on getting a 'real' drive interface of some kind >> to move forward. ?the drivewire does provide both a disk system and a >> realtime clock to os9... providing a usable serial port would be a >> natural and very useful extension. >> >> currently, I terminate tcpip connections on a linux box running server >> code that handles all the sockets and communicates with the coco by >> way of a single ip connection to a terminal server. ? the serial data >> is given a header that indicates which session it belongs to on the >> way in by my server code, and on the way out by the coco. ?this allows >> multiple simultaneous sessions to the coco. ?my poc code is running in >> basic (due to the limitations of my current setup) so the coco side is >> not multitasking, it is handling the events sequentially, limiting its >> usefulness to small things that can be done quickly, like chat rooms >> or very simple bbs type systems. ?however if the sessions could >> terminate in devices under os9, this would become very nice for true >> multiuser scenarios running any kind of software. >> >> crude ascii: >> >> (internet) ?=== lots of ip connections ===> (linux server) --- one ip >> connection ---> (term server) --- one serial connection ---> (coco) >> >> (and it all actually works :) >> >> -Aaron >> >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From theother_bob at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 19:29:34 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 In-Reply-To: <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <202453.1471.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Was someone on the list looking for an A500? I was recently given one but not really interested in learning a new antique rig at this point. Bob From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 20:10:13 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:10:13 +1000 Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net><016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig><4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com><000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com><4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net><4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net><4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> <202453.1471.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <787382172FFD48A9B479C09750336595@master> Nah, I have all the Amiga computers I am likely to need, and then I use WinUAE as well. Hmm, let's see now.... A2000HD/68030 x 2, A1000, A500 x4 or 5. Enough for the forseeable future. I'd love an Amiga A4000 or A1200, but they're like hen's teeth, and expensive. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "theother_bob" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 > > Was someone on the list looking for an A500? I was recently given one but > not really interested in learning a new antique rig at this point. > > Bob > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From wrcousert at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 20:23:09 2009 From: wrcousert at yahoo.com (Bill Cousert) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 In-Reply-To: <787382172FFD48A9B479C09750336595@master> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net><016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig><4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com><000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com><4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net><4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net><4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> <202453.1471.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <787382172FFD48A9B479C09750336595@master> Message-ID: <655324.60522.qm@web38401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's a shame Commodore didn't do more to market the Amiga. They were so far ahead of everyone else at the time. They could have cornered the PC market. ? ________________________________ From: Bob Devries To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 5:10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 Nah, I have all the Amiga computers I am likely to need, and then I use WinUAE as well. Hmm, let's see now.... A2000HD/68030 x 2, A1000, A500 x4 or 5. Enough for the forseeable future. I'd love an Amiga A4000 or A1200, but they're like hen's teeth, and expensive. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "theother_bob" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 > > Was someone on the list looking for an A500? I was recently given one but not really interested in learning a new antique rig at this point. > > Bob > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Mon Jul 6 20:26:02 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:26:02 -0600 Subject: [Coco] UFO? wasRe: Sega Genesis Gamepad on CoCo In-Reply-To: <961854.68628.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <961854.68628.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090707002602.GA18419@virgo.sdc.org> On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 04:23:20PM -0700, Derek wrote: > Ran into an interesting situation. I have one of the Wico adapters > to let me use Atari (9 PIN type) joysticks on my coco and with a > standard joystick it works great. I also have an Atari 800 and I am > able to take a standard 9 Pin type game pad from a Sega Genesis and > use it on the Atari without any problems. Speaking of Sega controllers... I have a "Super UFO" controller that connects to a DB-9. Dude who sold it to me said it was an Amiga joystick. I've tried it on my Amiga, a C64, and an Atari Flashback, but they all ignore it. Does anybody know if this is a Sega controller? Or what it's supposed to connect to? Or if it's just DOA? It has: direction thumbpad, buttons A B C L P R, L & R on the front, "X []" button, "P > ||" button, and 3 pos. sliders for slow, turbo o, and turbo O. Thanks in Advance Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From t.fadden at cox.net Mon Jul 6 20:27:29 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:27:29 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 In-Reply-To: <202453.1471.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> <202453.1471.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A529671.9080106@cox.net> I am interested, what are the details, besides the console itself, what else do you have with it? ie. software/monitor etc. Tim Fadden theother_bob wrote: > Was someone on the list looking for an A500? I was recently given one but not really interested in learning a new antique rig at this point. > > Bob > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Mon Jul 6 20:36:38 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:36:38 -0600 Subject: [Coco] old terminal Message-ID: <20090707003638.GB18419@virgo.sdc.org> So this is kinda off topic... I recently got a Perken Elmer pe550 "bantam" terminal. I found termcap and terminfo entries for it. It's a cool little terminal, with a really neat keyboard! But, does anybody have any docs on the dip-switch settings? Particularly settings for the RS-232. It seems stuck in 7n1, and the only control line it drives is DTR. If I can't get it to drive CD and CTS I'll have to build a custom cable for it. I've googled for this, but the only thing I could find was the termcap entry. Thanks in Advance, Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From mechacoco at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 20:53:50 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:53:50 -0600 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: References: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> <55407554-68C5-4947-97E1-18D0FC8E03B5@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0907061753j5dd87b39l6fadee7db42afc04@mail.gmail.com> On 7/6/09, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > Wow, this really has me interested. > > > > is the source to the drivewire server available, or the protocol > documented anywhere? i didn't find much on the web site or in the > docs included with mine. > You can find the DriveWire 3 protocol spec here: The NitrOS-9 source code (including the DriveWire 3 client side) can be viewed at: I don't know if the server source code has been made public. Darren From boisy at tee-boy.com Mon Jul 6 21:10:31 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0907061753j5dd87b39l6fadee7db42afc04@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> <55407554-68C5-4947-97E1-18D0FC8E03B5@tee-boy.com> <5d802cd0907061753j5dd87b39l6fadee7db42afc04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5D937565-00F8-46EF-BA9C-1F996F65147F@tee-boy.com> Darren, The server software for all platforms can be found at: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/drivewireserver On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Darren A wrote: > On 7/6/09, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >> Wow, this really has me interested. >> >> >> >> is the source to the drivewire server available, or the protocol >> documented anywhere? i didn't find much on the web site or in the >> docs included with mine. >> > > You can find the DriveWire 3 protocol spec here: > > > > The NitrOS-9 source code (including the DriveWire 3 client side) can > be viewed at: > > > I don't know if the server source code has been made public. > > Darren > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From boisy at tee-boy.com Mon Jul 6 21:15:06 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: References: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> <55407554-68C5-4947-97E1-18D0FC8E03B5@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: Aaron, All of the source for the server, drivers, etc. are online, it just takes a little understanding of the NitrOS-9 driver structure and system calls, and a design that can encompass different setups. Feel free to ask any specific questions here, and I'm sure we will be able to field them. Boisy On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > Wow, this really has me interested. > > Using drivewire to provide one or more serial ports -> ip sockets > would open the door to: > > running a coco bbs available on the net > using coco term programs over the net to connect to those boards in > all their native coco splendor :) > even running a web server,etc on the coco > > a simple simulated AT modem implementation could "dial" ip addresses > using the hosts ip connection, and respond to incoming tcp connections > with a ring, etc. standard coco term programs could probably become > internet enabled without modification. just enter an IP address > instead of a phone number into your favorite term program, and away > you go. > > I am very willing to put time into this, and I have quite a bit of > programming experience but I'm new to os9 and very rusty with > assembler. I could definitely implement the windows/mac/host ip side > of things, not so sure about the os9 side. > > is the source to the drivewire server available, or the protocol > documented anywhere? i didn't find much on the web site or in the > docs included with mine. > > anyone want to tackle some or all of the os9 side of things? is there > anything similar to this already existing? dont want to reinvent the > wheel. any pointers are much appreciated. > > -Aaron > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Boisy Pitre wrote: >> Gentlemen, >> >> DriveWire 3 opens up the bit banger routines under NitrOS-9 for >> just what >> you want to do. The DW3 subroutine module has 6 entry points much >> like a >> driver, and can be called from any other module. In fact, the >> rbdw3 RBF >> driver calls into the DW3 subroutine module this way, and so does >> the clock >> module. The DriveWire 3 has been totally modularized to facilitate >> extensions like the one you're contemplating. >> >> The difficulty, as you noted, is polling over the bitbanger. >> Here's what >> I've done as an experiment: I have a protocol extension to >> DriveWire 3 and >> rudimentary driver written that uses F$VIRQ to install a virtual >> interrupt >> service routine that hooks to the clock. For some number of times >> per >> second, the clock driver will call the interrupt routine in my >> driver, which >> sends out a packet to the server to see if there is data available. >> The >> server responds back with one of two possible indications: (a) no >> data or >> (b) data available, and the data itself. The driver then gets the >> data and >> processes this. >> >> Note that this is not nearly as ideal as an interrupt drive >> mechanism (which >> is not possible at the speed the bitbanger is being pushed), but it >> does >> work, and a similar model can be used to do what you want done. >> All you >> need to do is design your own driver and protocol, and extend the >> DriveWire >> server to honor that protocol. >> >> Boisy >> >> On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM, William Schaub>> > >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>>> >>>> I once had a similar Idea. this may be possible if an API to the >>>> drivewire >>>> routines could be exposed to developers on OS/9 you would have to >>>> extend >>>> the >>>> drivewire server software to handle some new custom opcodes and >>>> pass >>>> traffic >>>> back and forth. and you would have to do lots of polling but I >>>> think it >>>> could be done. but as far as I know I don't know if boisy ever >>>> added any >>>> way >>>> for a programmer to access the drivewire bit banger routines to >>>> extend >>>> the >>>> system. (I'm still using drivewire V2.0) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> that's interesting, I had not considered using the drivewire >>> interface >>> to do this. my current setup is completly incompatible with it, >>> which >>> is why I was planning on getting a 'real' drive interface of some >>> kind >>> to move forward. the drivewire does provide both a disk system >>> and a >>> realtime clock to os9... providing a usable serial port would be a >>> natural and very useful extension. >>> >>> currently, I terminate tcpip connections on a linux box running >>> server >>> code that handles all the sockets and communicates with the coco by >>> way of a single ip connection to a terminal server. the serial >>> data >>> is given a header that indicates which session it belongs to on the >>> way in by my server code, and on the way out by the coco. this >>> allows >>> multiple simultaneous sessions to the coco. my poc code is >>> running in >>> basic (due to the limitations of my current setup) so the coco >>> side is >>> not multitasking, it is handling the events sequentially, limiting >>> its >>> usefulness to small things that can be done quickly, like chat rooms >>> or very simple bbs type systems. however if the sessions could >>> terminate in devices under os9, this would become very nice for true >>> multiuser scenarios running any kind of software. >>> >>> crude ascii: >>> >>> (internet) === lots of ip connections ===> (linux server) --- one >>> ip >>> connection ---> (term server) --- one serial connection ---> (coco) >>> >>> (and it all actually works :) >>> >>> -Aaron >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Mon Jul 6 21:38:06 2009 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: <4A516935.4070507@cox.net> References: <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com> <4A515E92.8080409@cox.net> <4A516935.4070507@cox.net> Message-ID: <0j9555p96c0pdv7raeeju1tej9i5f8q9et@4ax.com> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:02:13 -0700, Tim Fadden had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >All of the files in question have been replaced. > >Tim They work now. Tonight when I first went to mediafire, it said no files found, but on the second try they all appeared. -- Stephen Hi! I am a .signature virus. Copy me into your .signature to join in! From snhirsch at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 21:17:47 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 In-Reply-To: <787382172FFD48A9B479C09750336595@master> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net><016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig><4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com><000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com><4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net><4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net><4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> <202453.1471.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <787382172FFD48A9B479C09750336595@master> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Bob Devries wrote: > I'd love an Amiga A4000 or A1200, but they're like hen's teeth, and > expensive. Not to mention that perhaps 80% of the A4000s have been damaged by battery leakage. I have one in that state and the on-board RTC does not operate. The repair may well be simple, but I'm too paranoid to try it in case I wind up with a doorstop. The only Amiga models I'm missing are the A600 and A3000. Steve -- From aawolfe at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 22:54:53 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:54:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: References: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> <55407554-68C5-4947-97E1-18D0FC8E03B5@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the links. This looks pretty doable, I guess I have a new project to waste time on :) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Boisy Pitre wrote: > Aaron, > > All of the source for the server, drivers, etc. are online, it just takes a > little understanding of the NitrOS-9 driver structure and system calls, and > a design that can encompass different setups. > > Feel free to ask any specific questions here, and I'm sure we will be able > to field them. > > Boisy > > On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > >> Wow, this really has me interested. >> >> Using drivewire to provide one or more serial ports -> ip sockets >> would open the door to: >> >> running a coco bbs available on the net >> using coco term programs over the net to connect to those boards in >> all their native coco splendor :) >> even running a web server,etc on the coco >> >> a simple simulated AT modem implementation could "dial" ip addresses >> using the hosts ip connection, and respond to incoming tcp connections >> with a ring, etc. ?standard coco term programs could probably become >> internet enabled without modification. ?just enter an IP address >> instead of a phone number into your favorite term program, and away >> you go. >> >> I am very willing to put time into this, and I have quite a bit of >> programming experience but I'm new to os9 and very rusty with >> assembler. ?I could definitely implement the windows/mac/host ip side >> of things, not so sure about the os9 side. >> >> is the source to the drivewire server available, or the protocol >> documented anywhere? ?i didn't find much on the web site or in the >> docs included with mine. >> >> anyone want to tackle some or all of the os9 side of things? ?is there >> anything similar to this already existing? dont want to reinvent the >> wheel. ?any pointers are much appreciated. >> >> -Aaron >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Boisy Pitre wrote: >>> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> DriveWire 3 opens up the bit banger routines under NitrOS-9 for just what >>> you want to do. ?The DW3 subroutine module has 6 entry points much like a >>> driver, and can be called from any other module. ?In fact, the rbdw3 RBF >>> driver calls into the DW3 subroutine module this way, and so does the >>> clock >>> module. ?The DriveWire 3 has been totally modularized to facilitate >>> extensions like the one you're contemplating. >>> >>> The difficulty, as you noted, is polling over the bitbanger. ?Here's what >>> I've done as an experiment: I have a protocol extension to DriveWire 3 >>> and >>> rudimentary driver written that uses F$VIRQ to install a virtual >>> interrupt >>> service routine that hooks to the clock. ?For some number of times per >>> second, the clock driver will call the interrupt routine in my driver, >>> which >>> sends out a packet to the server to see if there is data available. The >>> server responds back with one of two possible indications: (a) no data or >>> (b) data available, and the data itself. ?The driver then gets the data >>> and >>> processes this. >>> >>> Note that this is not nearly as ideal as an interrupt drive mechanism >>> (which >>> is not possible at the speed the bitbanger is being pushed), but it does >>> work, and a similar model can be used to do what you want done. ?All you >>> need to do is design your own driver and protocol, and extend the >>> DriveWire >>> server to honor that protocol. >>> >>> Boisy >>> >>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM, William Schaub >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I once had a similar Idea. this may be possible if an API to the >>>>> drivewire >>>>> routines could be exposed to developers on OS/9 you would have to >>>>> extend >>>>> the >>>>> drivewire server software to handle some new custom opcodes and pass >>>>> traffic >>>>> back and forth. and you would have to do lots of polling but I think it >>>>> could be done. but as far as I know I don't know if boisy ever added >>>>> any >>>>> way >>>>> for a programmer to access the drivewire bit banger routines to extend >>>>> the >>>>> system. (I'm still using drivewire V2.0) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> that's interesting, I had not considered using the drivewire interface >>>> to do this. ?my current setup is completly incompatible with it, which >>>> is why I was planning on getting a 'real' drive interface of some kind >>>> to move forward. ?the drivewire does provide both a disk system and a >>>> realtime clock to os9... providing a usable serial port would be a >>>> natural and very useful extension. >>>> >>>> currently, I terminate tcpip connections on a linux box running server >>>> code that handles all the sockets and communicates with the coco by >>>> way of a single ip connection to a terminal server. ? the serial data >>>> is given a header that indicates which session it belongs to on the >>>> way in by my server code, and on the way out by the coco. ?this allows >>>> multiple simultaneous sessions to the coco. ?my poc code is running in >>>> basic (due to the limitations of my current setup) so the coco side is >>>> not multitasking, it is handling the events sequentially, limiting its >>>> usefulness to small things that can be done quickly, like chat rooms >>>> or very simple bbs type systems. ?however if the sessions could >>>> terminate in devices under os9, this would become very nice for true >>>> multiuser scenarios running any kind of software. >>>> >>>> crude ascii: >>>> >>>> (internet) ?=== lots of ip connections ===> (linux server) --- one ip >>>> connection ---> (term server) --- one serial connection ---> (coco) >>>> >>>> (and it all actually works :) >>>> >>>> -Aaron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From wschaub at steubentech.com Mon Jul 6 23:13:40 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] multiplexed serial into ip In-Reply-To: References: <4A523973.1030709@steubentech.com> <55407554-68C5-4947-97E1-18D0FC8E03B5@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <4A52BD64.9080208@steubentech.com> Let me know how it turns out I wanted to work on a project a lot like this with the same/similar functionality and done in pretty much the same way. would be nice to see it made into reality. (I doubt I will ever have much time to work on coco projects) Aaron Wolfe wrote: > Thanks for the links. This looks pretty doable, I guess I have a new > project to waste time on :) > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Boisy Pitre wrote: > >> Aaron, >> >> All of the source for the server, drivers, etc. are online, it just takes a >> little understanding of the NitrOS-9 driver structure and system calls, and >> a design that can encompass different setups. >> >> Feel free to ask any specific questions here, and I'm sure we will be able >> to field them. >> >> Boisy >> >> On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >> >> >>> Wow, this really has me interested. >>> >>> Using drivewire to provide one or more serial ports -> ip sockets >>> would open the door to: >>> >>> running a coco bbs available on the net >>> using coco term programs over the net to connect to those boards in >>> all their native coco splendor :) >>> even running a web server,etc on the coco >>> >>> a simple simulated AT modem implementation could "dial" ip addresses >>> using the hosts ip connection, and respond to incoming tcp connections >>> with a ring, etc. standard coco term programs could probably become >>> internet enabled without modification. just enter an IP address >>> instead of a phone number into your favorite term program, and away >>> you go. >>> >>> I am very willing to put time into this, and I have quite a bit of >>> programming experience but I'm new to os9 and very rusty with >>> assembler. I could definitely implement the windows/mac/host ip side >>> of things, not so sure about the os9 side. >>> >>> is the source to the drivewire server available, or the protocol >>> documented anywhere? i didn't find much on the web site or in the >>> docs included with mine. >>> >>> anyone want to tackle some or all of the os9 side of things? is there >>> anything similar to this already existing? dont want to reinvent the >>> wheel. any pointers are much appreciated. >>> >>> -Aaron >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Boisy Pitre wrote: >>> >>>> Gentlemen, >>>> >>>> DriveWire 3 opens up the bit banger routines under NitrOS-9 for just what >>>> you want to do. The DW3 subroutine module has 6 entry points much like a >>>> driver, and can be called from any other module. In fact, the rbdw3 RBF >>>> driver calls into the DW3 subroutine module this way, and so does the >>>> clock >>>> module. The DriveWire 3 has been totally modularized to facilitate >>>> extensions like the one you're contemplating. >>>> >>>> The difficulty, as you noted, is polling over the bitbanger. Here's what >>>> I've done as an experiment: I have a protocol extension to DriveWire 3 >>>> and >>>> rudimentary driver written that uses F$VIRQ to install a virtual >>>> interrupt >>>> service routine that hooks to the clock. For some number of times per >>>> second, the clock driver will call the interrupt routine in my driver, >>>> which >>>> sends out a packet to the server to see if there is data available. The >>>> server responds back with one of two possible indications: (a) no data or >>>> (b) data available, and the data itself. The driver then gets the data >>>> and >>>> processes this. >>>> >>>> Note that this is not nearly as ideal as an interrupt drive mechanism >>>> (which >>>> is not possible at the speed the bitbanger is being pushed), but it does >>>> work, and a similar model can be used to do what you want done. All you >>>> need to do is design your own driver and protocol, and extend the >>>> DriveWire >>>> server to honor that protocol. >>>> >>>> Boisy >>>> >>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM, William Schaub >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I once had a similar Idea. this may be possible if an API to the >>>>>> drivewire >>>>>> routines could be exposed to developers on OS/9 you would have to >>>>>> extend >>>>>> the >>>>>> drivewire server software to handle some new custom opcodes and pass >>>>>> traffic >>>>>> back and forth. and you would have to do lots of polling but I think it >>>>>> could be done. but as far as I know I don't know if boisy ever added >>>>>> any >>>>>> way >>>>>> for a programmer to access the drivewire bit banger routines to extend >>>>>> the >>>>>> system. (I'm still using drivewire V2.0) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> that's interesting, I had not considered using the drivewire interface >>>>> to do this. my current setup is completly incompatible with it, which >>>>> is why I was planning on getting a 'real' drive interface of some kind >>>>> to move forward. the drivewire does provide both a disk system and a >>>>> realtime clock to os9... providing a usable serial port would be a >>>>> natural and very useful extension. >>>>> >>>>> currently, I terminate tcpip connections on a linux box running server >>>>> code that handles all the sockets and communicates with the coco by >>>>> way of a single ip connection to a terminal server. the serial data >>>>> is given a header that indicates which session it belongs to on the >>>>> way in by my server code, and on the way out by the coco. this allows >>>>> multiple simultaneous sessions to the coco. my poc code is running in >>>>> basic (due to the limitations of my current setup) so the coco side is >>>>> not multitasking, it is handling the events sequentially, limiting its >>>>> usefulness to small things that can be done quickly, like chat rooms >>>>> or very simple bbs type systems. however if the sessions could >>>>> terminate in devices under os9, this would become very nice for true >>>>> multiuser scenarios running any kind of software. >>>>> >>>>> crude ascii: >>>>> >>>>> (internet) === lots of ip connections ===> (linux server) --- one ip >>>>> connection ---> (term server) --- one serial connection ---> (coco) >>>>> >>>>> (and it all actually works :) >>>>> >>>>> -Aaron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From theother_bob at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 23:19:25 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 In-Reply-To: <4A529671.9080106@cox.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> <202453.1471.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A529671.9080106@cox.net> Message-ID: <539357.80042.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pretty much just the untested console, no power supply, no software or monitor. There is one cartridge looking device that I believe to be a video adapter of some sort (there's a model number on it.but it's at work.) -Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Fadden To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 7:27:29 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 I am interested, what are the details, besides the console itself, what else do you have with it? ie. software/monitor etc. Tim Fadden theother_bob wrote: > Was someone on the list looking for an A500? I was recently given one but not really interested in learning a new antique rig at this point. > > Bob > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 03:51:46 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:51:46 +1000 Subject: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net><016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig><4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com><000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com><4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net><4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net><4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net><4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net><202453.1471.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com><787382172FFD48A9B479C09750336595@master> Message-ID: <55143B16FEEE462F99F37727B7002F1F@master> Ah, yes. Actually the A2000 also suffered from battery leakage. I have repaired a couple of those, as well as the A501 memory upgrade for the A500 which had a clock chip with a similar battery. I usually modify them and fit a CR2032 button cell. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Hirsch" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Amiga 500 > On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Bob Devries wrote: > >> I'd love an Amiga A4000 or A1200, but they're like hen's teeth, and >> expensive. > > Not to mention that perhaps 80% of the A4000s have been damaged by battery > leakage. I have one in that state and the on-board RTC does not operate. > The repair may well be simple, but I'm too paranoid to try it in case I > wind up with a doorstop. > > The only Amiga models I'm missing are the A600 and A3000. > > Steve > > > -- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From aawolfe at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 16:02:49 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:02:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone know of a Coco emulator that can provide a serial port usable in some way by Drivewire? I am on the waiting list for a rgb->vga convertor, but until one is available, developing on my real Coco is somewhat tedious (40 glorious blurry columns :) -Aaron From wschaub at steubentech.com Tue Jul 7 17:02:08 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:02:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A53B7D0.8040207@steubentech.com> Aaron Wolfe wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know of a Coco emulator that can provide a serial port > usable in some way by Drivewire? > > I am on the waiting list for a rgb->vga convertor, but until one is > available, developing on my real Coco is somewhat tedious (40 glorious > blurry columns :) > > -Aaron > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > I would imagine any coco emulator that can bind the bit banger to a real serial port would work you would have to have the emulator running on one computer and drivewire server on the other though. and I have never even attempted such a setup before so YMMV also one issue I can see from the get go is that the emulator may hard code the Serial baud rate to some ridiculously low number which might defeat the high speed bit banger routines of drivewire. It might be possible to mount nitros9 on an emulator instead and do most of your development on that image and then mount the image on drivewire server and boot it on your coco3 for testing after you compile your code that might be a much easier way to do your development. From operator at coco3.com Tue Jul 7 19:37:02 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:37:02 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> The CoCo forums have been restored to a date a few weeks prior to the recent damage. To anybody affected, please let me know if you can log in under your original account, etc. Any messages posted in the past week went into the bit bucket. I'm also going to delete at least 100 bogus forum accounts (some are obvious) and do some database optimizing. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 7 21:24:02 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:24:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: <4A516935.4070507@cox.net> References: <000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com> <4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com><4A515E92.8080409@cox.net> <4A516935.4070507@cox.net> Message-ID: Tim, the May 83 issue shows (1) RAR of 33kb. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:02 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! > > All of the files in question have been replaced. > > Tim > > Tim Fadden wrote: > > That sucks! :-) > > I tested my original files which worked just fine. I > downloaded the 5 > > Feb. 83 issues, and sure enough I had crc corruption in the > same three > > files. So, I would take that to mean the corruption > happened in the > > upload process. Seems strange that no error correction > would be taking > > place. ???? I guess this will not be such a good alternative after > > all. :-( I have been transferring files on the web since 1982, and > > have not really ever came across this much file corruption. > I really > > don't want to download and test every single file I put up there to > > see if it got corrupted or not. What if I had purchased the premium > > package, and uploaded a 2gig file, and it go corrupted! No Thanks, > > > > I will delete, and re-upload the files in question, and let > you know > > when it is done. Probably an hour or two. Guess I will > find out about > > the rest later. :-) > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > Stephen Castello wrote: > >> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:53:01 -0700, Tim Fadden > had > >> a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: > >> > >> > >>> Here are the first three years of Rainbow Magazine. For > your testing. > >>> > >>> > http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=06dc17e308c99b37312dbd5f2bdc5062b > >>> 95907176de17b9f5621d66e282a0ee8 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> I get the following errors: > >> > >> Rainbow-1983-01.part5.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-01.pdf. The > >> file is corrupt > >> --- > >> Rainbow-1983-02.part2.rar: Packed data CRC failed in > >> Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The volume is corrupt > >> > >> Rainbow-1983-02.part4.rar: Packed data CRC failed in > >> Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The volume is corrupt > >> > >> Rainbow-1983-02.part5.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-02.pdf. The > >> file is corrupt > >> --- > >> Rainbow-1983-04.part1.rar: Packed data CRC failed in > >> Rainbow-1983-04.pdf. The volume is corrupt > >> > >> Rainbow-1983-04.part6.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-04.pdf. The > >> file is corrupt > >> ---- > >> Rainbow-1983-11.part6.rar: Packed data CRC failed in > >> Rainbow-1983-11.pdf. The volume is corrupt > >> > >> Rainbow-1983-11.part7.rar: CRC failed in Rainbow-1983-11.pdf. The > >> file is corrupt > >> ---- > >> > >> Since the rar files were made with NO recovery records, > WinRAR 3.80 > >> can't fix them. I've downloaded the affected files twice, > no change. > >> Since I didn't need all of 1983, the only other one I > downloaded was > >> 1983-03 and 1982-07 to 12, they extracted with no problems. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 7 21:37:47 2009 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com><4A515E92.8080409@cox.net> <4A516935.4070507@cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:24:02 -0400, "Paul Fitch" had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >Tim, the May 83 issue shows (1) RAR of 33kb. > There never was a May 83 issue and that's what the pdf inside reminds you of. -- Stephen Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone. From tjseagrove at writeme.com Tue Jul 7 21:58:18 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com><4A515E92.8080409@cox.net> <4A516935.4070507@cox.net> Message-ID: <00ec01c9ff6f$90bb5a60$b2320f20$@com> Read the June 83 issue to find out why... :) -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Castello Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:38 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:24:02 -0400, "Paul Fitch" had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >Tim, the May 83 issue shows (1) RAR of 33kb. > There never was a May 83 issue and that's what the pdf inside reminds you of. -- Stephen Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2220 - Release Date: 07/07/09 17:54:00 From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 7 22:01:11 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:01:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! In-Reply-To: References: <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4FF4E9.7050806@cox.net> <4A512ECD.8090408@cox.net> <8vk2551kn349u0t1tl71kdl5k71mcjj3kg@4ax.com><4A515E92.8080409@cox.net><4A516935.4070507@cox.net> Message-ID: <481ECEB4B625472D8BF8C4672035EA27@Dell3Gig> Geez, Its only been 25 years! How could I have forgotten that? Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Castello > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:38 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] RapidShare alternative!! > > On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:24:02 -0400, "Paul Fitch" > had a flock of green cheek conures squawk > out: > > >Tim, the May 83 issue shows (1) RAR of 33kb. > > > > There never was a May 83 issue and that's what the pdf inside > reminds you of. > > > -- > > Stephen > > Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Tue Jul 7 22:59:29 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:59:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> At 06:37 PM 7/7/2009, you wrote: >The CoCo forums have been restored to a date a few weeks prior to >the recent damage. To anybody affected, please let me know if you >can log in under your original account, etc. Any messages posted in >the past week went into the bit bucket. I'm also going to delete at >least 100 bogus forum accounts (some are obvious) and do some >database optimizing. Folks, give me time to restore the database yet again back to the July 5 2009 copy. The one I just uploaded was from 2008. I'm still looking for a May or June 2009 copy and have asked my host to look for one as well. They came through for me in the past after a bot attack. This is what I get for running a site. This is what I get for using the software that the rest of the world uses. We have security holes in MySQL, PHP, Apache, Windows, Linux,.. It's either run a site, or not. They always seem to get us when we're slacking on our backups. I don't blame anybody for not posting right now while I work out some kinks. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From alsplace at pobox.com Tue Jul 7 23:00:30 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:00:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] coco25.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> Message-ID: <13B9597E-BA49-4E0C-9531-924C58BC59FC@pobox.com> Did anyone have a need for CoCo25.com? It has expired now. -- A From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 7 23:17:55 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:17:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A540FE3.5060000@worldnet.att.net> Aaron Wolfe wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know of a Coco emulator that can provide a serial port > usable in some way by Drivewire? > > I am on the waiting list for a rgb->vga convertor, but until one is > available, developing on my real Coco is somewhat tedious (40 glorious > blurry columns :) > > -Aaron Why would you want to do that? There would be no benefit of any kind in using Drivewire with an emulator. Emulators already can use emulated hard drives and the MESS emulator can send data to a PCs printer. If you want to use more than one hard drive with a Coco emulator, the John Collyer version of the Vavassour Coco3 emulator can mount two hard drives at the same time. All the others can easily change the mounted hard drive at will. You certainly don't need Drivewire to get 40 or 80 columns of text on a Coco3 emulated or real. Take a look at the MESS or VCC emulators. From aawolfe at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 23:29:04 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 23:29:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? In-Reply-To: <4A540FE3.5060000@worldnet.att.net> References: <4A540FE3.5060000@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Robert Gault wrote: > Aaron Wolfe wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Does anyone know of a Coco emulator that can provide a serial port >> usable in some way by Drivewire? >> >> I am on the waiting list for a rgb->vga convertor, but until one is >> available, developing on my real Coco is somewhat tedious (40 glorious >> blurry columns :) >> >> -Aaron > > Why would you want to do that? There would be no benefit of any kind in > using Drivewire with an emulator. Emulators already can use emulated hard > drives and the MESS emulator can send data to a PCs printer. > > If you want to use more than one hard drive with a Coco emulator, the John > Collyer version of the Vavassour Coco3 emulator can mount two hard drives at > the same time. All the others can easily change the mounted hard drive at > will. > > You certainly don't need Drivewire to get 40 or 80 columns of text on a > Coco3 emulated or real. Take a look at the MESS or VCC emulators. > I am developing software for the Drivewire interface, so it's a requirement in this particular case. > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 7 23:56:53 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 23:56:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? In-Reply-To: <4A540FE3.5060000@worldnet.att.net> References: <4A540FE3.5060000@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: The current methods for moving files from the PC file system to the emulated file system are clunky and non-intuitive. And MESS is no saint there either. I've had it mung up floppy images on me too many times. So giving emulators access to drivewire just makes things easier. If the emulators did everything the hardware coco does, I'd probably never plug the hardware one in again. I like using the Vcc emulator. Its faster, (like 40 times faster),I get to use my big LCD screen and my nice laser wireless mouse and my wireless keyboard, and I don't have to move out of my favorite chair. But the emulator can't run a BBS or talk to the outside world, yet. Once it can, I'll be in hog heaven. No dirty edgecard contacts, no blown CPUs, no misaligned floppies and twenty year old HDs refusing to spin up. And the joysticks? God forbid I should ever have to use a Coco joystick on purpose again. I think the emulators are the best thing to happen since computers were invented in the first place. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:18 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? > > Aaron Wolfe wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone know of a Coco emulator that can provide a serial port > > usable in some way by Drivewire? > > > > I am on the waiting list for a rgb->vga convertor, but until one is > > available, developing on my real Coco is somewhat tedious > (40 glorious > > blurry columns :) > > > > -Aaron > > Why would you want to do that? There would be no benefit of > any kind in using Drivewire with an emulator. Emulators > already can use emulated hard drives and the MESS emulator > can send data to a PCs printer. > > If you want to use more than one hard drive with a Coco > emulator, the John Collyer version of the Vavassour Coco3 > emulator can mount two hard drives at the same time. All the > others can easily change the mounted hard drive at will. > > You certainly don't need Drivewire to get 40 or 80 columns of > text on a > Coco3 emulated or real. Take a look at the MESS or VCC emulators. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 8 00:10:32 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:10:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? In-Reply-To: References: <4A540FE3.5060000@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <4A541C38.607@worldnet.att.net> Aaron Wolfe wrote: > > > I am developing software for the Drivewire interface, so it's a > requirement in this particular case. > > OK, now it all makes sense. :) Aaron, the Vavasour/Collyer emulator for the Coco3 emulates a serial port (I assume bit banger). There could be a problem depending on the number of serial ports on your PC as one must be assigned to the emulator and another to Drivewire. Then you would need to connect the two ports together with a null-modem connector. From wschaub at steubentech.com Wed Jul 8 00:41:29 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:41:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? In-Reply-To: <4A541C38.607@worldnet.att.net> References: <4A540FE3.5060000@worldnet.att.net> <4A541C38.607@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <4A542379.3070102@steubentech.com> Robert Gault wrote: > Aaron Wolfe wrote: >> >> >> I am developing software for the Drivewire interface, so it's a >> requirement in this particular case. >> >> > > OK, now it all makes sense. :) > > Aaron, the Vavasour/Collyer emulator for the Coco3 emulates a serial > port (I assume bit banger). There could be a problem depending on the > number of serial ports on your PC as one must be assigned to the > emulator and another to Drivewire. Then you would need to connect the > two ports together with a null-modem connector. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco I still say for the project the OP is developing mounting a hard drive image between the emulator and a real coco runing drivewire would be perfect (I'm assuming he's using OS/9) he should be able to load nitros9 with drivewire drivers in VCC or any other suitable emulator, edit his sources and compile in the emulator, shut down the emulator and then mount the emulators drive image in the drivewire server and then boot the real coco to test his new drivewire extensions. From aawolfe at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 01:31:04 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] drivewire in emulator? In-Reply-To: <4A542379.3070102@steubentech.com> References: <4A540FE3.5060000@worldnet.att.net> <4A541C38.607@worldnet.att.net> <4A542379.3070102@steubentech.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, William Schaub wrote: > Robert Gault wrote: >> >> Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I am developing software for the Drivewire interface, so it's a >>> requirement in this particular case. >>> >>> >> >> OK, now it all makes sense. :) >> >> Aaron, the Vavasour/Collyer emulator for the Coco3 emulates a serial port >> (I assume bit banger). There could be a problem depending on the number of >> serial ports on your PC as one must be assigned to the emulator and another >> to Drivewire. Then you would need to connect the two ports together with a >> null-modem connector. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > I still say for the project the OP is developing mounting a hard drive image > between the emulator and a real coco runing drivewire would be perfect (I'm > assuming he's using OS/9) he should be able to load nitros9 with drivewire > drivers in VCC or any other suitable emulator, edit his sources and compile > in the emulator, shut down the emulator and then mount the emulators drive > image in the drivewire server and then boot the real coco to test his new > drivewire extensions. > > This is exactly how I am doing it now, but the switching back and forth is very time consuming because frankly I don't know what I'm doing yet :) Lots of trial and error, and the trials take lots of time. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From badfrog at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 12:49:13 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:49:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> Wow. Looks like a spammer got in again today. I do not envy your admin job right now... On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 06:37 PM 7/7/2009, you wrote: >> >> The CoCo forums have been restored to a date a few weeks prior to the >> recent damage. ?To anybody affected, please let me know if you can log in >> under your original account, etc. ?Any messages posted in the past week went >> into the bit bucket. ?I'm also going to delete at least 100 bogus forum >> accounts (some are obvious) and do some database optimizing. > > > > Folks, give me time to restore the database yet again back to the July 5 > 2009 copy. ?The one I just uploaded was from 2008. ?I'm still looking for a > May or June 2009 copy and have asked my host to look for one as well. ?They > came through for me in the past after a bot attack. ?This is what I get for > running a site. This is what I get for using the software that the rest of > the world uses. ?We have security holes in MySQL, PHP, Apache, Windows, > Linux,.. ?It's either run a site, or not. ?They always seem to get us when > we're slacking on our backups. > > I don't blame anybody for not posting right now while I work out some kinks. > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 13:37:08 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:37:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 July 2009, Sean wrote: >Wow. Looks like a spammer got in again today. I do not envy your >admin job right now... > I don't see anything unusual, but my login is dead. >On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> At 06:37 PM 7/7/2009, you wrote: >>> The CoCo forums have been restored to a date a few weeks prior to the >>> recent damage. To anybody affected, please let me know if you can log in >>> under your original account, etc. Any messages posted in the past week >>> went into the bit bucket. I'm also going to delete at least 100 bogus >>> forum accounts (some are obvious) and do some database optimizing. >> >> Folks, give me time to restore the database yet again back to the July 5 >> 2009 copy. The one I just uploaded was from 2008. I'm still looking for >> a May or June 2009 copy and have asked my host to look for one as well. >> They came through for me in the past after a bot attack. This is what I >> get for running a site. This is what I get for using the software that the >> rest of the world uses. We have security holes in MySQL, PHP, Apache, >> Windows, Linux,.. It's either run a site, or not. They always seem to >> get us when we're slacking on our backups. >> >> I don't blame anybody for not posting right now while I work out some >> kinks. >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor >> >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. A witty saying proves nothing. -- Voltaire From mechacoco at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 14:45:58 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:45:58 -0600 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> On 7/8/09, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 08 July 2009, Sean wrote: >>Wow. Looks like a spammer got in again today. I do not envy your >>admin job right now... >> > I don't see anything unusual, but my login is dead. > Someone or something using the name "Barbadosusa" has been posting spam messages every few minutes for the past several hours. Darren From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Wed Jul 8 16:10:32 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> Message-ID: <20090708201032.GA10058@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 09:59:29PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: > They always seem to get us when we're slacking on our backups. Backups are a pain, but the Great Hard Drive Crash of 2000 finally taught me to do them anyway. Like last week, I went to fire up my Amiga and nothin'! That was annoying, but it was OK, even the worst-case. Why? Last time before that that I'd done anything with the Amiga, I did a full backup. (The Amiga seems fine now, I don't know what its issue was.) Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From badfrog at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 16:15:24 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> Yup, that's the one I saw. I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Darren A wrote: > On 7/8/09, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 08 July 2009, Sean wrote: >>>Wow. ?Looks like a spammer got in again today. ?I do not envy your >>>admin job right now... >>> >> I don't see anything unusual, but my login is dead. >> > > > Someone or something using the name "Barbadosusa" has been posting > spam messages every few minutes for the past several hours. > > Darren > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Wed Jul 8 17:55:13 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:55:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >Yup, that's the one I saw. >I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and their information. 3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers that were browsing the forums wildly and attempting to post were just banned. This cleared up the activity log and took a load off the site. One spammer's IP was changing (the last 2 numbers) so I just blocked their IP as such #.#.*.* and they're gone right now. The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have to do this again, as I'm working with a site image originally from 2008 with a handful of new posts added yesterday and today. I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. Soon to follow (sorry, guys) will probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. I don't use anybody's e-mail address for anything so there's no need for anybody to hide them. They don't appear in any posts, either. I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a Lot. However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the gang. We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect things to be back to normal within a week or two, but I'll have to spend more time blocking known spammer IPs. The huge list I added that kept the site fairly clean for a long time is no longer there, so I'll do that again and keep a better eye on things. Thankfully, Robert Gault has notified me when somebody posted spam and it was usually a real person who signed up and posed as a CoCo user. Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with occasionally, but it's painful for the admin to waste days of time at the keyboard trying to repair what a trasher did. I still don't know how the PHP and MySQL folks just can't get it right after all these years. With each new upgrade, we have new vunerabilities, and since they're posted on the web for all to see, the spammers go right for it. Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet and causing more grief than any company has ever even come close to. Now they're pushing Windows 7 at the worst economical times since the Great Depression, and offering 50% off if you preorder. No thank ya. Face lifts just don't qualify for an upgrade these days. That's why I gave up on Money years ago when I saw no difference between upgrades, just more HTTP ads and links in the software's "home page" which they seem to push into every new program now. I did try out their newest Money title (trial) but it deleted my paid copy of Money 2006 and now I can't recover it, so they stole my software and I have no way to access my money files now. Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being screwed at any given time. You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard drive will just quit working or your web site will be on the blitz by a bunch of commies. Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale item, with nobody at fault and nobody to "pay you back". It's getting worse. And Google pretty much owns the web now. There's nothing on the planet that can stop them now, I'm afraid. Get used to it. If you deal with Google, nothing is private about your life, and they know what you're doing and what you like. Because of this, they know where you're going and what you'll be doing. Since they own MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising their life and every thought and more, we're all screwed and our friends as well. Just some thoughts. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From jimhrubik at earthlink.net Wed Jul 8 18:50:14 2009 From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:50:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: And we can't send smoke signals any more, because our Gummint says that (or at least the CO2 in it) causes Global Warming. [That is barely on topic, because occasionally CoCos have been known to send up smoke signals]. On Jul 8, 2009, at Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 5:55 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being > screwed at any given time. You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard > drive will just quit working or your web site will be on the blitz > by a bunch of commies. Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage > sale item, with nobody at fault and nobody to "pay you back". It's > getting worse. And Google pretty much owns the web now. There's > nothing on the planet that can stop them now, I'm afraid. Get used > to it. If you deal with Google, nothing is private about your > life, and they know what you're doing and what you like. Because > of this, they know where you're going and what you'll be doing. > Since they own MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising their > life and every thought and more, we're all screwed and our friends > as well. > > Just some thoughts. > > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > --------------------------------------------------- -----Items below rated "R"; parental discretion advised---- --------------------------------------------------- "I have an excuse : all of my ancestors were teenagers..." From the sayings of Grampa Jim, Copyright 2003. Unauthorized use of my stuff may cause senility. From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 8 19:12:23 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com><6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com><9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com><200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net><5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com><9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <3A25D8FC1CE749F8BB34C8CF694CD1E0@Dell3Gig> Roger, it an arms race, and it has always been so. One month you are up, the next you are down. Even AI won't fix it, cause 2/3s of the Ais will be 'bad" guys. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Roger Taylor > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:55 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] forums restore > > At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: > >Yup, that's the one I saw. > >I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! > > > I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and > their information. 3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers > that were browsing the forums wildly and attempting to post > were just banned. This cleared up the activity log and took > a load off the site. One spammer's IP was changing (the last > 2 numbers) so I just blocked their IP as such #.#.*.* and > they're gone right now. > > The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have to > do this again, as I'm working with a site image originally > from 2008 with a handful of new posts added yesterday and today. > > I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. Soon to follow (sorry, > guys) will probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. I don't use > anybody's e-mail address for anything so there's no need for > anybody to hide them. They don't appear in any posts, either. > > I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will > help a Lot. However, this can discourage some new visitors > from joining the gang. > > We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect > things to be back to normal within a week or two, but I'll > have to spend more time blocking known spammer IPs. The huge > list I added that kept the site fairly clean for a long time > is no longer there, so I'll do that again and keep a better > eye on things. Thankfully, Robert Gault has notified me when > somebody posted spam and it was usually a real person who > signed up and posed as a CoCo user. > > Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with > occasionally, but it's painful for the admin to waste days of > time at the keyboard trying to repair what a trasher did. I > still don't know how the PHP and MySQL folks just can't get > it right after all these years. With each new upgrade, we > have new vunerabilities, and since they're posted on the web > for all to see, the spammers go right for it. > > Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet > and causing more grief than any company has ever even come > close to. Now they're pushing Windows 7 at the worst > economical times since the Great Depression, and offering 50% > off if you preorder. No thank ya. Face lifts just don't > qualify for an upgrade these days. That's why I gave up on > Money years ago when I saw no difference between upgrades, > just more HTTP ads and links in the software's "home page" > which they seem to push into every new program now. I did > try out their newest Money title (trial) but it deleted my > paid copy of Money > 2006 and now I can't recover it, so they stole my software > and I have no way to access my money files now. > > Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to > being screwed at any given time. You'll wake up tomorrow and > your hard drive will just quit working or your web site will > be on the blitz by a bunch of commies. Your $1,000 laptop > will become a $5 rummage sale item, with nobody at fault and > nobody to "pay you back". It's getting worse. And Google > pretty much owns the web now. There's nothing on the planet > that can stop them now, I'm afraid. Get used to it. If you > deal with Google, nothing is private about your life, and > they know what you're doing and what you like. Because of > this, they know where you're going and what you'll be doing. > Since they own MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising > their life and every thought and more, we're all screwed and > our friends as well. > > Just some thoughts. > > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 19:19:41 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:19:41 +1000 Subject: [Coco] forums restore References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com><6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com><9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com><200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net><5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com><9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com><6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <2C0F64DC8A6140CAB8748FC7242DB5DF@master> Ya gotta be careful about letting the smoke out of a Coco.... it's so dang hard to put it back. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hrubik" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] forums restore > And we can't send smoke signals any more, because our Gummint says that > (or at least the CO2 in it) causes Global Warming. [That is barely on > topic, because occasionally CoCos have been known to send up smoke > signals]. > > > On Jul 8, 2009, at Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 5:55 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >> Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being >> screwed at any given time. You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard drive >> will just quit working or your web site will be on the blitz by a bunch >> of commies. Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale item, with >> nobody at fault and nobody to "pay you back". It's getting worse. And >> Google pretty much owns the web now. There's nothing on the planet that >> can stop them now, I'm afraid. Get used to it. If you deal with >> Google, nothing is private about your life, and they know what you're >> doing and what you like. Because of this, they know where you're going >> and what you'll be doing. Since they own MySpace, and the entire planet >> is advertising their life and every thought and more, we're all screwed >> and our friends as well. >> >> Just some thoughts. >> >> >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor >> >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> > > > --------------------------------------------------- > -----Items below rated "R"; parental discretion advised---- > --------------------------------------------------- > "I have an excuse : all of my ancestors were teenagers..." > From the sayings of Grampa Jim, Copyright 2003. > Unauthorized use of my stuff may cause senility. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From aawolfe at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 19:41:58 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:41:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: I work in network security and see things like this quite often (and much worse sometimes). It really sucks that a relatively tiny portion of the population can cause trouble so effectively for so many others, but that's the double edged sword of the internet. What used to effect tens or hundreds can now be amplified instantly to effect millions, for good or bad. The internet is not the (mostly) friendly place it was 10 or even 5 years ago. I don't think there exists a "set it and forget it" solution for running a web site or other internet facing service. It's literally a daily chore to monitor security alerts, patch your software, update IDS definitions, review firewall logs, etc, etc ,etc. I'm by no means an expert, but sometimes I get to work with people who are :) I've seen enough to know that securing a website, even one with little commercial or tactical value, is a huge chore that requires considerable time on an ongoing basis. It's a pity, but running a hobbyist or personal website is becoming more and more of a burden on the good people who give of their time to provide them, and I'd expect things to get worse before they get better (if they ever do). Companies like Google have the resources to fight and th, but a few guys who just want to share information and have a pleasant community really don't. The old saying "when you can't beat em, join em" comes to mind. Yahoo groups is one service that offers much of the functionality found on the coco3 site. Certainly lacking in charm and atmosphere, but less of a headache. Just a thought. -Aaron On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >> >> Yup, that's the one I saw. >> I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! > > > I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and their information. > ?3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers that were browsing the forums > wildly and attempting to post were just banned. ?This cleared up the > activity log and took a load off the site. ?One spammer's IP was changing > (the last 2 numbers) so I just blocked their IP as such #.#.*.* and they're > gone right now. > > The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have to do this again, > as I'm working with a site image originally from 2008 with a handful of new > posts added yesterday and today. > > I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. ?Soon to follow (sorry, guys) will > probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. ?I don't use anybody's e-mail address > for anything so there's no need for anybody to hide them. ?They don't appear > in any posts, either. > > I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a Lot. > ?However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the gang. > > We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect things to be back to > normal within a week or two, but I'll have to spend more time blocking known > spammer IPs. ?The huge list I added that kept the site fairly clean for a > long time is no longer there, so I'll do that again and keep a better eye on > things. ?Thankfully, Robert Gault has notified me when somebody posted spam > and it was usually a real person who signed up and posed as a CoCo user. > > Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with occasionally, but > it's painful for the admin to waste days of time at the keyboard trying to > repair what a trasher did. ?I still don't know how the PHP and MySQL folks > just can't get it right after all these years. ?With each new upgrade, we > have new vunerabilities, and since they're posted on the web for all to see, > the spammers go right for it. > > Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet and causing > more grief than any company has ever even come close to. ?Now they're > pushing Windows 7 at the worst economical times since the Great Depression, > and offering 50% off if you preorder. ?No thank ya. ?Face lifts just don't > qualify for an upgrade these days. ?That's why I gave up on Money years ago > when I saw no difference between upgrades, just more HTTP ads and links in > the software's "home page" which they seem to push into every new program > now. ?I did try out their newest Money title (trial) but it deleted my paid > copy of Money 2006 and now I can't recover it, so they stole my software and > I have no way to access my money files now. > > Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being screwed > at any given time. ?You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard drive will just > quit working or your web site will be on the blitz by a bunch of commies. > ?Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale item, with nobody at fault > and nobody to "pay you back". ?It's getting worse. ?And Google pretty much > owns the web now. ?There's nothing on the planet that can stop them now, I'm > afraid. ?Get used to it. ?If you deal with Google, nothing is private about > your life, and they know what you're doing and what you like. ?Because of > this, they know where you're going and what you'll be doing. ?Since they own > MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising their life and every thought > and more, we're all screwed and our friends as well. > > Just some thoughts. > > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 8 20:24:03 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com><6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com><9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com><200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net><5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com><9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com><6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <25F081952797478F88B82BEE27943B00@Dell3Gig> I remember back in 93-94 when I was running my RiBBS system. Virus's and hackers were a very minor problem for the MAC types, a moderate to serious problem for the MS-DOS types, and absolutely NO issue at all for Coco/OS-9 systems. Our systems were secure in a way that no MS-dos system ever could be. It was the WWW that killed Coco/OS-9 BBS's. We just didn't have the horsepower to keep up. That?s changed today. The Coco4 project could point the way. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Wolfe > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:42 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] forums restore > > I work in network security and see things like this quite > often (and much worse sometimes). It really sucks that a > relatively tiny portion of the population can cause trouble > so effectively for so many others, but that's the double > edged sword of the internet. What used to effect tens or > hundreds can now be amplified instantly to effect millions, > for good or bad. > > The internet is not the (mostly) friendly place it was 10 or > even 5 years ago. I don't think there exists a "set it and forget it" > solution for running a web site or other internet facing service. > It's literally a daily chore to monitor security alerts, > patch your software, update IDS definitions, review firewall > logs, etc, etc ,etc. > > I'm by no means an expert, but sometimes I get to work with > people who are :) I've seen enough to know that securing a > website, even one with little commercial or tactical value, > is a huge chore that requires considerable time on an ongoing > basis. It's a pity, but running a hobbyist or personal > website is becoming more and more of a burden on the good > people who give of their time to provide them, and I'd expect > things to get worse before they get better (if they ever do). > Companies like Google have the resources to fight and th, > but a few guys who just want to share information and have a > pleasant community really don't. > > The old saying "when you can't beat em, join em" comes to > mind. Yahoo groups is one service that offers much of the > functionality found on the coco3 site. Certainly lacking in > charm and atmosphere, but less > of a headache. Just a thought. > > -Aaron > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Roger > Taylor wrote: > > At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: > >> > >> Yup, that's the one I saw. > >> I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! > > > > > > I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and > their information. > > ?3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers that were browsing > the forums > > wildly and attempting to post were just banned. ?This > cleared up the > > activity log and took a load off the site. ?One spammer's IP was > > changing (the last 2 numbers) so I just blocked their IP as such > > #.#.*.* and they're gone right now. > > > > The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have > to do this > > again, as I'm working with a site image originally from 2008 with a > > handful of new posts added yesterday and today. > > > > I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. ?Soon to follow (sorry, > > guys) will probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. ?I don't use > anybody's > > e-mail address for anything so there's no need for anybody to hide > > them. ?They don't appear in any posts, either. > > > > I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will > help a Lot. > > ?However, this can discourage some new visitors from > joining the gang. > > > > We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect > things to be > > back to normal within a week or two, but I'll have to spend > more time > > blocking known spammer IPs. ?The huge list I added that > kept the site > > fairly clean for a long time is no longer there, so I'll do > that again > > and keep a better eye on things. ?Thankfully, Robert Gault has > > notified me when somebody posted spam and it was usually a > real person who signed up and posed as a CoCo user. > > > > Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with > occasionally, > > but it's painful for the admin to waste days of time at the > keyboard > > trying to repair what a trasher did. ?I still don't know > how the PHP > > and MySQL folks just can't get it right after all these > years. ?With > > each new upgrade, we have new vunerabilities, and since > they're posted > > on the web for all to see, the spammers go right for it. > > > > Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet and > > causing more grief than any company has ever even come > close to. ?Now > > they're pushing Windows 7 at the worst economical times since the > > Great Depression, and offering 50% off if you preorder. ?No > thank ya. ? > > Face lifts just don't qualify for an upgrade these days. ? > That's why I > > gave up on Money years ago when I saw no difference between > upgrades, > > just more HTTP ads and links in the software's "home page" > which they > > seem to push into every new program now. ?I did try out > their newest > > Money title (trial) but it deleted my paid copy of Money > 2006 and now > > I can't recover it, so they stole my software and I have no > way to access my money files now. > > > > Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being > > screwed at any given time. ?You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard > > drive will just quit working or your web site will be on > the blitz by a bunch of commies. > > ?Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale item, > with nobody at > > fault and nobody to "pay you back". ?It's getting worse. ? > And Google > > pretty much owns the web now. ?There's nothing on the > planet that can > > stop them now, I'm afraid. ?Get used to it. ?If you deal > with Google, > > nothing is private about your life, and they know what you're doing > > and what you like. ?Because of this, they know where you're > going and > > what you'll be doing. ?Since they own MySpace, and the > entire planet > > is advertising their life and every thought and more, we're > all screwed and our friends as well. > > > > Just some thoughts. > > > > > > > > -- > > Roger Taylor > > > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From t.fadden at cox.net Wed Jul 8 20:33:02 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4A553ABE.7080408@cox.net> Roger, If my login is broken, do you suggest to just wait till your done hackin and wackin, and then re-subscribe? Thanks, Tim Fadden From badfrog at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 20:35:24 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:35:24 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0907081735r5325eec6p8bd3247c039ad72@mail.gmail.com> What about forcing a moderator to approve new registrations? Maybe have a 'reason for applying' field to screen out the bots. There can't be that many legit new registrations in the CoCo community... On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >> >> Yup, that's the one I saw. >> I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! > > > I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and their information. > ?3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers that were browsing the forums > wildly and attempting to post were just banned. ?This cleared up the > activity log and took a load off the site. ?One spammer's IP was changing > (the last 2 numbers) so I just blocked their IP as such #.#.*.* and they're > gone right now. > > The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have to do this again, > as I'm working with a site image originally from 2008 with a handful of new > posts added yesterday and today. > > I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. ?Soon to follow (sorry, guys) will > probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. ?I don't use anybody's e-mail address > for anything so there's no need for anybody to hide them. ?They don't appear > in any posts, either. > > I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a Lot. > ?However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the gang. > > We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect things to be back to > normal within a week or two, but I'll have to spend more time blocking known > spammer IPs. ?The huge list I added that kept the site fairly clean for a > long time is no longer there, so I'll do that again and keep a better eye on > things. ?Thankfully, Robert Gault has notified me when somebody posted spam > and it was usually a real person who signed up and posed as a CoCo user. > > Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with occasionally, but > it's painful for the admin to waste days of time at the keyboard trying to > repair what a trasher did. ?I still don't know how the PHP and MySQL folks > just can't get it right after all these years. ?With each new upgrade, we > have new vunerabilities, and since they're posted on the web for all to see, > the spammers go right for it. > > Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet and causing > more grief than any company has ever even come close to. ?Now they're > pushing Windows 7 at the worst economical times since the Great Depression, > and offering 50% off if you preorder. ?No thank ya. ?Face lifts just don't > qualify for an upgrade these days. ?That's why I gave up on Money years ago > when I saw no difference between upgrades, just more HTTP ads and links in > the software's "home page" which they seem to push into every new program > now. ?I did try out their newest Money title (trial) but it deleted my paid > copy of Money 2006 and now I can't recover it, so they stole my software and > I have no way to access my money files now. > > Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being screwed > at any given time. ?You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard drive will just > quit working or your web site will be on the blitz by a bunch of commies. > ?Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale item, with nobody at fault > and nobody to "pay you back". ?It's getting worse. ?And Google pretty much > owns the web now. ?There's nothing on the planet that can stop them now, I'm > afraid. ?Get used to it. ?If you deal with Google, nothing is private about > your life, and they know what you're doing and what you like. ?Because of > this, they know where you're going and what you'll be doing. ?Since they own > MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising their life and every thought > and more, we're all screwed and our friends as well. > > Just some thoughts. > > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tjseagrove at writeme.com Wed Jul 8 20:57:05 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:57:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0907081735r5325eec6p8bd3247c039ad72@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907081735r5325eec6p8bd3247c039ad72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008301ca0030$2df7b880$89e72980$@com> How about a captcha... http://www.captcha.net/ (free) http://www.captchas.net/ (free) And a coco related question then have a moderator approve. Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Sean Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:35 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] forums restore What about forcing a moderator to approve new registrations? Maybe have a 'reason for applying' field to screen out the bots. There can't be that many legit new registrations in the CoCo community... On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >> >> Yup, that's the one I saw. >> I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! > > > I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and their information. > ?3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers that were browsing the forums > wildly and attempting to post were just banned. ?This cleared up the > activity log and took a load off the site. ?One spammer's IP was changing > (the last 2 numbers) so I just blocked their IP as such #.#.*.* and they're > gone right now. > > The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have to do this again, > as I'm working with a site image originally from 2008 with a handful of new > posts added yesterday and today. > > I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. ?Soon to follow (sorry, guys) will > probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. ?I don't use anybody's e-mail address > for anything so there's no need for anybody to hide them. ?They don't appear > in any posts, either. > > I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a Lot. > ?However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the gang. > > We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect things to be back to > normal within a week or two, but I'll have to spend more time blocking known > spammer IPs. ?The huge list I added that kept the site fairly clean for a > long time is no longer there, so I'll do that again and keep a better eye on > things. ?Thankfully, Robert Gault has notified me when somebody posted spam > and it was usually a real person who signed up and posed as a CoCo user. > > Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with occasionally, but > it's painful for the admin to waste days of time at the keyboard trying to > repair what a trasher did. ?I still don't know how the PHP and MySQL folks > just can't get it right after all these years. ?With each new upgrade, we > have new vunerabilities, and since they're posted on the web for all to see, > the spammers go right for it. > > Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet and causing > more grief than any company has ever even come close to. ?Now they're > pushing Windows 7 at the worst economical times since the Great Depression, > and offering 50% off if you preorder. ?No thank ya. ?Face lifts just don't > qualify for an upgrade these days. ?That's why I gave up on Money years ago > when I saw no difference between upgrades, just more HTTP ads and links in > the software's "home page" which they seem to push into every new program > now. ?I did try out their newest Money title (trial) but it deleted my paid > copy of Money 2006 and now I can't recover it, so they stole my software and > I have no way to access my money files now. > > Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being screwed > at any given time. ?You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard drive will just > quit working or your web site will be on the blitz by a bunch of commies. > ?Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale item, with nobody at fault > and nobody to "pay you back". ?It's getting worse. ?And Google pretty much > owns the web now. ?There's nothing on the planet that can stop them now, I'm > afraid. ?Get used to it. ?If you deal with Google, nothing is private about > your life, and they know what you're doing and what you like. ?Because of > this, they know where you're going and what you'll be doing. ?Since they own > MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising their life and every thought > and more, we're all screwed and our friends as well. > > Just some thoughts. > > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.8/2223 - Release Date: 07/08/09 05:53:00 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 21:06:55 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:06:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <200907082106.55916.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 July 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >>Yup, that's the one I saw. >>I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! > >I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and their >information. 3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers that were >browsing the forums wildly and attempting to post were just >banned. This cleared up the activity log and took a load off the >site. One spammer's IP was changing (the last 2 numbers) so I just >blocked their IP as such #.#.*.* and they're gone right now. > >The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have to do this >again, as I'm working with a site image originally from 2008 with a >handful of new posts added yesterday and today. > >I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. Soon to follow (sorry, >guys) will probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. I don't use anybody's >e-mail address for anything so there's no need for anybody to hide >them. They don't appear in any posts, either. > >I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a >Lot. However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the gang. > >We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect things to be >back to normal within a week or two, but I'll have to spend more time >blocking known spammer IPs. The huge list I added that kept the site >fairly clean for a long time is no longer there, so I'll do that >again and keep a better eye on things. Thankfully, Robert Gault has >notified me when somebody posted spam and it was usually a real >person who signed up and posed as a CoCo user. > >Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with occasionally, >but it's painful for the admin to waste days of time at the keyboard >trying to repair what a trasher did. I still don't know how the PHP >and MySQL folks just can't get it right after all these years. With >each new upgrade, we have new vunerabilities, and since they're >posted on the web for all to see, the spammers go right for it. > >Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet and >causing more grief than any company has ever even come close to. Now >they're pushing Windows 7 at the worst economical times since the >Great Depression, and offering 50% off if you preorder. No thank >ya. Face lifts just don't qualify for an upgrade these days. That's >why I gave up on Money years ago when I saw no difference between >upgrades, just more HTTP ads and links in the software's "home page" >which they seem to push into every new program now. I did try out >their newest Money title (trial) but it deleted my paid copy of Money >2006 and now I can't recover it, so they stole my software and I have >no way to access my money files now. > >Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being >screwed at any given time. You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard >drive will just quit working or your web site will be on the blitz by >a bunch of commies. Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale >item, with nobody at fault and nobody to "pay you back". It's >getting worse. And Google pretty much owns the web now. There's >nothing on the planet that can stop them now, I'm afraid. Get used >to it. If you deal with Google, nothing is private about your life, >and they know what you're doing and what you like. Because of this, >they know where you're going and what you'll be doing. Since they >own MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising their life and >every thought and more, we're all screwed and our friends as well. > >Just some thoughts. Roger, your site doesn't have to run on a winderz box you know. And with amanda making nightly backups without any attention from you other than reading the mail report it sends you once its all setup, there isn't a really good excuse to not being able to restore it to yesterdays, or even this mornings image. I could lose my main drive 10 minutes from now, and be back to a fully functional machine about 4 hours after getting back from town with a fresh drive. This Fedora 10 box has 95 Gbytes of stuff on its / drive. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The last time I saw him he was walking down Lover's Lane holding his own hand. -- Fred Allen From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 21:12:24 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <200907082112.24663.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 08 July 2009, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >I work in network security and see things like this quite often (and >much worse sometimes). It really sucks that a relatively tiny portion >of the population can cause trouble so effectively for so many others, >but that's the double edged sword of the internet. What used to >effect tens or hundreds can now be amplified instantly to effect >millions, for good or bad. > >The internet is not the (mostly) friendly place it was 10 or even 5 >years ago. I don't think there exists a "set it and forget it" >solution for running a web site or other internet facing service. >It's literally a daily chore to monitor security alerts, patch your >software, update IDS definitions, review firewall logs, etc, etc ,etc. > >I'm by no means an expert, but sometimes I get to work with people who >are :) I've seen enough to know that securing a website, even one >with little commercial or tactical value, is a huge chore that >requires considerable time on an ongoing basis. It's a pity, but >running a hobbyist or personal website is becoming more and more of a >burden on the good people who give of their time to provide them, and >I'd expect things to get worse before they get better (if they ever >do). Companies like Google have the resources to fight and th, but a >few guys who just want to share information and have a pleasant >community really don't. > >The old saying "when you can't beat em, join em" comes to mind. Yahoo >groups is one service that offers much of the functionality found on >the coco3 site. Certainly lacking in charm and atmosphere, but less >of a headache. Just a thought. That I believe depends on ones definition of a headache, and anything yahoo matches my personal description of something much worse than a headache. Their T.O.S. is a full blown migraine all by itself. Nothing short of quasi- legal copyright thievery. >-Aaron > >On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >>> Yup, that's the one I saw. >>> I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! >> >> I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and their >> information. 3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers that were browsing >> the forums wildly and attempting to post were just banned. This cleared >> up the activity log and took a load off the site. One spammer's IP was >> changing (the last 2 numbers) so I just blocked their IP as such #.#.*.* >> and they're gone right now. >> >> The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have to do this >> again, as I'm working with a site image originally from 2008 with a >> handful of new posts added yesterday and today. >> >> I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. Soon to follow (sorry, guys) >> will probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. I don't use anybody's e-mail >> address for anything so there's no need for anybody to hide them. They >> don't appear in any posts, either. >> >> I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a Lot. >> However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the gang. >> >> We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect things to be back >> to normal within a week or two, but I'll have to spend more time blocking >> known spammer IPs. The huge list I added that kept the site fairly clean >> for a long time is no longer there, so I'll do that again and keep a >> better eye on things. Thankfully, Robert Gault has notified me when >> somebody posted spam and it was usually a real person who signed up and >> posed as a CoCo user. >> >> Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with occasionally, but >> it's painful for the admin to waste days of time at the keyboard trying to >> repair what a trasher did. I still don't know how the PHP and MySQL folks >> just can't get it right after all these years. With each new upgrade, we >> have new vunerabilities, and since they're posted on the web for all to >> see, the spammers go right for it. >> >> Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet and causing >> more grief than any company has ever even come close to. Now they're >> pushing Windows 7 at the worst economical times since the Great >> Depression, and offering 50% off if you preorder. No thank ya. Face >> lifts just don't qualify for an upgrade these days. That's why I gave up >> on Money years ago when I saw no difference between upgrades, just more >> HTTP ads and links in the software's "home page" which they seem to push >> into every new program now. I did try out their newest Money title >> (trial) but it deleted my paid copy of Money 2006 and now I can't recover >> it, so they stole my software and I have no way to access my money files >> now. >> >> Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being screwed >> at any given time. You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard drive will just >> quit working or your web site will be on the blitz by a bunch of commies. >> Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale item, with nobody at >> fault and nobody to "pay you back". It's getting worse. And Google >> pretty much owns the web now. There's nothing on the planet that can stop >> them now, I'm afraid. Get used to it. If you deal with Google, nothing >> is private about your life, and they know what you're doing and what you >> like. Because of this, they know where you're going and what you'll be >> doing. Since they own MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising their >> life and every thought and more, we're all screwed and our friends as >> well. >> >> Just some thoughts. >> >> >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor >> >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Magnocartic, adj.: Any automobile that, when left unattended, attracts shopping carts. -- Sniglets, "Rich Hall & Friends" From aawolfe at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 21:41:49 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:41:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <200907082112.24663.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> <200907082112.24663.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 08 July 2009, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>I work in network security and see things like this quite often (and >>much worse sometimes). ?It really sucks that a relatively tiny portion >>of the population can cause trouble so effectively for so many others, >>but that's the double edged sword of the internet. ?What used to >>effect tens or hundreds can now be amplified instantly to effect >>millions, for good or bad. >> >>The internet is not the (mostly) friendly place it was 10 or even 5 >>years ago. ?I don't think there exists a "set it and forget it" >>solution for running a web site or other internet facing service. >>It's literally a daily chore to monitor security alerts, patch your >>software, update IDS definitions, review firewall logs, etc, etc ,etc. >> >>I'm by no means an expert, but sometimes I get to work with people who >>are :) ?I've seen enough to know that securing a website, even one >>with little commercial or tactical value, is a huge chore that >>requires considerable time on an ongoing basis. ?It's a pity, but >>running a hobbyist or personal website is becoming more and more of a >>burden on the good people who give of their time to provide them, and >>I'd expect things to get worse before they get better (if they ever >>do). ?Companies like Google have the resources to fight and th, but a >>few guys who just want to share information and have a pleasant >>community really don't. >> >>The old saying "when you can't beat em, join em" comes to mind. ?Yahoo >>groups is one service that offers much of the functionality found on >>the coco3 site. ?Certainly lacking in charm and atmosphere, but less >>of a headache. ? Just a thought. > > That I believe depends on ones definition of a headache, and anything yahoo > matches my personal description of something much worse than a headache. > Their T.O.S. is a full blown migraine all by itself. ?Nothing short of quasi- > legal copyright thievery. > Ok, replace "less of a headache" with "doesn't require hours of work just to keep online". Potential TOS problems are outside of my area of expertise, but of course yahoo is simply one example of the general idea. >>-Aaron >> >>On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>> At 03:15 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >>>> Yup, that's the one I saw. >>>> I wish slow deaths upon such spammers! >>> >>> I can see who's in the forums and what they're doing and their >>> information. 3 spammers were just deleted. 3 servers that were browsing >>> the forums wildly and attempting to post were just banned. ?This cleared >>> up the activity log and took a load off the site. ?One spammer's IP was >>> changing (the last 2 numbers) so I just blocked their IP as such #.#.*.* >>> and they're gone right now. >>> >>> The bad part.. when the 7/5 backup is restored, I'll have to do this >>> again, as I'm working with a site image originally from 2008 with a >>> handful of new posts added yesterday and today. >>> >>> I also blocked all *.ru e-mail addresses. ?Soon to follow (sorry, guys) >>> will probably be gmail, and maybe yahoo. ?I don't use anybody's e-mail >>> address for anything so there's no need for anybody to hide them. ?They >>> don't appear in any posts, either. >>> >>> I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a Lot. >>> ?However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the gang. >>> >>> We always snap back after mishaps like this so I expect things to be back >>> to normal within a week or two, but I'll have to spend more time blocking >>> known spammer IPs. ?The huge list I added that kept the site fairly clean >>> for a long time is no longer there, so I'll do that again and keep a >>> better eye on things. ?Thankfully, Robert Gault has notified me when >>> somebody posted spam and it was usually a real person who signed up and >>> posed as a CoCo user. >>> >>> Again, this is just typical stuff we have to deal with occasionally, but >>> it's painful for the admin to waste days of time at the keyboard trying to >>> repair what a trasher did. ?I still don't know how the PHP and MySQL folks >>> just can't get it right after all these years. ?With each new upgrade, we >>> have new vunerabilities, and since they're posted on the web for all to >>> see, the spammers go right for it. >>> >>> Microsoft should also be ashamed at robbing the entire planet and causing >>> more grief than any company has ever even come close to. ?Now they're >>> pushing Windows 7 at the worst economical times since the Great >>> Depression, and offering 50% off if you preorder. ?No thank ya. ?Face >>> lifts just don't qualify for an upgrade these days. ?That's why I gave up >>> on Money years ago when I saw no difference between upgrades, just more >>> HTTP ads and links in the software's "home page" which they seem to push >>> into every new program now. ?I did try out their newest Money title >>> (trial) but it deleted my paid copy of Money 2006 and now I can't recover >>> it, so they stole my software and I have no way to access my money files >>> now. >>> >>> Folks, it's just a huge mess we have and nobody is immune to being screwed >>> at any given time. ?You'll wake up tomorrow and your hard drive will just >>> quit working or your web site will be on the blitz by a bunch of commies. >>> ?Your $1,000 laptop will become a $5 rummage sale item, with nobody at >>> fault and nobody to "pay you back". ?It's getting worse. ?And Google >>> pretty much owns the web now. ?There's nothing on the planet that can stop >>> them now, I'm afraid. ?Get used to it. ?If you deal with Google, nothing >>> is private about your life, and they know what you're doing and what you >>> like. ?Because of this, they know where you're going and what you'll be >>> doing. ?Since they own MySpace, and the entire planet is advertising their >>> life and every thought and more, we're all screwed and our friends as >>> well. >>> >>> Just some thoughts. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roger Taylor >>> >>> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >>-- >>Coco mailing list >>Coco at maltedmedia.com >>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > ?soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. > > > Magnocartic, adj.: > ? ? ? ?Any automobile that, when left unattended, attracts shopping carts. > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Sniglets, "Rich Hall & Friends" > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Thu Jul 9 10:23:38 2009 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:23:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Forums Restore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818414@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> >I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a >Lot. However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the gang. IF there's an explanation for the 'more defensive action,' then I am sure bona fide new visitors won't mind. --Rich From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 9 12:28:13 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:28:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Forums Restore In-Reply-To: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818414@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818414@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <4A561A9D.7070804@embarqmail.com> Ries, Rich (NY80) wrote: >> I think a more defensive action in the sign-up process will help a >> Lot. However, this can discourage some new visitors from joining the > gang. > > IF there's an explanation for the 'more defensive action,' then I am > sure bona fide new visitors won't mind. I had to do that with the website I manage. You can view all you want. Both the HTML pages and forums. To post in the forums I made it be required that you register and get approved. I put an announcement in the first category of the forum. Those that I have allow/approved because I took the time to check some IPs with a 'whois' and a 'traceroute' average about 1 a month. Of those only 1 had followed directions. Which proves to me that the male animal does not understand 'FOLLOW DIRECTIONS' or at least read them. Most of the spam request I get are from Ukraine, Israel, British Virgin Islands, and China. Or at least that is where a 'whois' takes me. A 'traceroute' usually goes bonkers at hop #12. Cheers Dave -- I'm a vulgar old cuss, I fought for every bit of filthy dirt on me, don't expect me to sparkle. From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Thu Jul 9 13:22:00 2009 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:22:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818415@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> I just registered with a site that had some "Anti-Spam" questions. Not too difficult nor too bothersome. The defaults are in the [ ]. Note that they explain why they are asking these dopey questions. They also had the "eye test" enter-the-characters-you-see section as well. --Rich Antispam: Are you a spammer or a BOT? [Yes] Answer Yes/No What is the fourth number (4): [5] 1 2 3 4 5 6 From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Jul 9 15:23:44 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:23:44 -0600 Subject: [Coco] sculptor was Re: Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> Message-ID: <20090709192344.GA17754@virgo.sdc.org> On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 08:33:39AM -0700, Tim Fadden wrote: > Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set up several > databases in sculptor, I have a love/hate relationship with database systems, so, while I scrounged up a copy of Sculptor a while back, I haven't really done anything with it. Last night, however, I get successfully create a small database in Sculptor, enter some data, and got a reasonable report back from it. Pretty cool, pretty cool. My only complaint is that the 'menu' program is awfully touchy. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From petrander at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 16:23:50 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:23:50 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Help! Pengon wanted... Message-ID: Hi everyone, I do not seem to have a functional copy of Pengon, the very first CoCo game I owned, anymore. :-( (?_`) Can anyone help me out? Thnx in advance... BTW it should preferable be the version that is compatible with Disk Basic. Otherwise, cas-files are welcome too... Cheers, Fedor From gmajor at videotron.ca Thu Jul 9 20:54:28 2009 From: gmajor at videotron.ca (Guillaume Major) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:54:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Help! Pengon wanted... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ferdor, you can download Pengon from my coco disk archive at http://goyim.dyndns.org:8080/coco/. It is also available in cas format at the same location. Enjoy! Guillaume ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.hardware.tandy.coco To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Help! Pengon wanted... Hi everyone, I do not seem to have a functional copy of Pengon, the very first CoCo game I owned, anymore. :-( (?_`) Can anyone help me out? Thnx in advance... BTW it should preferable be the version that is compatible with Disk Basic. Otherwise, cas-files are welcome too... Cheers, Fedor -- Coco mailing list Coco-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Thu Jul 9 22:00:36 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:00:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <200907082106.55916.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> <200907082106.55916.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090709205415.04c52450@coco3.com> At 08:06 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >Roger, your site doesn't have to run on a winderz box you know. And with It doesn't. It's on a commercial shared Linux server. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jul 9 22:04:32 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:04:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090709205415.04c52450@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <200907082106.55916.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20090709205415.04c52450@coco3.com> Message-ID: <200907092204.32543.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 09 July 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >At 08:06 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >>Roger, your site doesn't have to run on a winderz box you know. And with > >It doesn't. It's on a commercial shared Linux server. Needs a stronger weed killer then. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. "And I don't like doing silly things (except on purpose)." -- Larry Wall in <1992Jul3.191825.14435 at netlabs.com> From operator at coco3.com Thu Jul 9 22:17:22 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:17:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <4A553ABE.7080408@cox.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> <4A553ABE.7080408@cox.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090709210144.04c52ab8@coco3.com> At 07:33 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >Roger, > >If my login is broken, do you suggest to just wait till your done >hackin and wackin, and then re-subscribe? > >Thanks, >Tim Fadden Yes, just hold off. The powers that be are going to perform the 7/5/2009 restore tonight or tomorrow. Still, the members and messages that were deleted will still be gone until I can merge their content back in somehow when I locate my May or June backup later. I'm going to do a huge cleanup besides studying the logs to see who did what to delete certain members AND their messages. It's a mess trying to read the logs by eye because all of the HTTP requests are listed as they are made and not per IP address. The last hack showed that a user manually performed some operations and then had the nerve to post a message bragging about it. They guessed my password because it was too simple. Not all CoCo users are good guys. There are some bad ones out there who might even be reading our posts and possibly even participating, watching, waiting, planning. With all the angry spells I've seen here (far beyond any typical debate I've been involved in, myself), it's no surprise that there might be a few people who want to bring it all down if they can. If I had to take a good guess, it would be h*xst*r. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Jul 9 23:29:00 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:29:00 -0600 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090709210144.04c52ab8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> <4A553ABE.7080408@cox.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20090709210144.04c52ab8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <20090710032900.GA12936@virgo.sdc.org> On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:17:22PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: > If I had to take a good guess, it would be h*xst*r. You've got a shorter memory than some. My guess would be that Disney fool. I suspect he's the one that killed the Princeton list, so he's used spam, forge-mail, and password cracking before. Octalhole was just a blatant pirate. But, I guess you did piss him off pretty bad.... Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com Thu Jul 9 23:10:32 2009 From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:10:32 -0700 Subject: [Coco] sculptor was Re: Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <20090709192344.GA17754@virgo.sdc.org> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net><016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig><4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com><000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <20090709192344.GA17754@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <2F003F73E44A4468885AE28FC607BFC3@Shasta> Hi, At least it does not trash your data as"DataMaster", 2nd version did. You did learn how to get huge datasets into it, did you not. Typing it all in by hand would make anyone back away quickly. (Note to self, where are my Sculptor files?) SHF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willard Goosey" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: [Coco] sculptor was Re: Magazines and Indexes > On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 08:33:39AM -0700, Tim Fadden wrote: >> Sculptor and OS9 would work great for this. I have set up several >> databases in sculptor, > > I have a love/hate relationship with database systems, so, while I > scrounged up a copy of Sculptor a while back, I haven't really done > anything with it. > > Last night, however, I get successfully create a small database in > Sculptor, enter some data, and got a reasonable report back from it. > > Pretty cool, pretty cool. My only complaint is that the 'menu' > program is awfully touchy. > > Willard > -- > Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. > -- R.E. Howard > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From aawolfe at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 00:05:47 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:05:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090709210144.04c52ab8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> <4A553ABE.7080408@cox.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20090709210144.04c52ab8@coco3.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 07:33 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote: >> >> Roger, >> >> If my login is broken, do you suggest to just wait till your done hackin >> and wackin, and then re-subscribe? >> >> Thanks, >> Tim Fadden > > > > Yes, just hold off. ?The powers that be are going to perform the 7/5/2009 > restore tonight or tomorrow. ?Still, the members and messages that were > deleted will still be gone until I can merge their content back in somehow > when I locate my May or June backup later. > > I'm going to do a huge cleanup besides studying the logs to see who did what > to delete certain members AND their messages. ?It's a mess trying to read > the logs by eye because all of the HTTP requests are listed as they are made > and not per IP address. ?The last hack showed that a user manually performed > some operations and then had the nerve to post a message bragging about it. > ?They guessed my password because it was too simple. > Assuming your logs are in common log format, the sort command will give you back the log broken down by IP, i.e. # sort /var/log/apache/access.log There are also some very powerful programs that can help you analyze the logs. Scalp is a tool that scans logs for malicious behavior including php and sql exploits and spamming attempts. http://code.google.com/p/apache-scalp/ WUM is a statistics based analysis tool that can (for instance) find URL patterns that occur very seldom or from only one source, which often will point you straight to the bad guy(s). http://hypknowsys.sourceforge.net/wiki/The_Web_Utilization_Miner_WUM Getting real friendly with grep can also save you lots of time. > Not all CoCo users are good guys. ?There are some bad ones out there who > might even be reading our posts and possibly even participating, watching, > waiting, planning. ?With all the angry spells I've seen here (far beyond any > typical debate I've been involved in, myself), it's no surprise that there > might be a few people who want to bring it all down if they can. > > If I had to take a good guess, it would be h*xst*r. > Sounds like I've missed some interesting times. Good luck and I hope you find the bastards. -Aaron > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From petrander at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 02:50:49 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:50:49 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Help! Pengon wanted... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! Thanks, that is quite an impressive collection. It took me 40 minutes just to download the diskettes. Thanks for allowing me to relive the past! :-) Cheers, Fedor 2009/7/10 Guillaume Major > > > Hi Ferdor, > > you can download Pengon from my coco disk archive at > http://goyim.dyndns.org:8080/coco/. It is also available in cas format at > the same location. > > Enjoy! > > Guillaume > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" < > petrander-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> > Newsgroups: gmane.comp.hardware.tandy.coco > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Wk3EA at public.gmane.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:23 PM > Subject: Help! Pengon wanted... > > > > Hi everyone, > I do not seem to have a functional copy of Pengon, the very first CoCo game > I owned, anymore. :-( (?_`) Can anyone help me out? Thnx in advance... > > BTW it should preferable be the version that is compatible with Disk Basic. > Otherwise, cas-files are welcome too... > > Cheers, > Fedor > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cocomalt at 6809.org.uk Fri Jul 10 03:55:37 2009 From: cocomalt at 6809.org.uk (Ciaran Anscomb) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:55:37 +0100 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090709210144.04c52ab8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090707183201.04a2e4b8@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090707211728.04885c40@coco3.com> <9efa17da0907080949r212b95cds4899027faf65a3e5@mail.gmail.com> <200907081337.08737.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0907081145t503b99fcic2140dd1787cb967@mail.gmail.com> <9efa17da0907081315t2e7ed1fbo52ed7f9d26a3a946@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090708163017.045be3a8@coco3.com> <4A553ABE.7080408@cox.net> <6.2.5.6.1.20090709210144.04c52ab8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <7995.1247212537@torch.6809.org.uk> Roger Taylor wrote: > Not all CoCo users are good guys. There are some bad ones out there > who might even be reading our posts and possibly even participating, > watching, waiting, planning. Too many ?SN ERRORs as a child? ..ciaran -- Ciaran Anscomb, Perl/C Hacker From wschaub at steubentech.com Fri Jul 10 06:41:37 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Help! Pengon wanted... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A571AE1.5010405@steubentech.com> I will second that thanks as well. can't wait to play some of those games on a real coco. (If the os9 disk images for the AGI games don't have drivewire drivers on them I will see if I can use toolshed or something to add them and make them available to you somehow) Fedor Steeman wrote: > Wow! Thanks, that is quite an impressive collection. It took me 40 minutes > just to download the diskettes. > Thanks for allowing me to relive the past! :-) > Cheers, > Fedor > > 2009/7/10 Guillaume Major > > >> Hi Ferdor, >> >> you can download Pengon from my coco disk archive at >> http://goyim.dyndns.org:8080/coco/. It is also available in cas format at >> the same location. >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Guillaume >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" < >> petrander-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> >> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.hardware.tandy.coco >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Wk3EA at public.gmane.org> >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:23 PM >> Subject: Help! Pengon wanted... >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> I do not seem to have a functional copy of Pengon, the very first CoCo game >> I owned, anymore. :-( (?_`) Can anyone help me out? Thnx in advance... >> >> BTW it should preferable be the version that is compatible with Disk Basic. >> Otherwise, cas-files are welcome too... >> >> Cheers, >> Fedor >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA at public.gmane.org >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From farna at att.net Fri Jul 10 11:39:40 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:39:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Cheap ADF Scanner -- SCSI Message-ID: <4A5760BC.4050803@att.net> I have a HP Scanjet 3C with ADF that I no longer need. It looks like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-C2525B-ScanJet-ADF-Document-Feeder-w-C2520B-Scanner_W0QQitemZ200255835301QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea02d8ca5&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1240|293%3A2|294%3A50 Mine is a model 2520B. Complete with SCSI cable. Thought one of you guys doing the magazine scans would like it! I'm asking $65, and will pay shipping in the US. I figure that will cover packing and shipping with $20-25 left over. Send me an e-mail if interested! The one above is the cheapest I found on e-bay, and that doesn't include shipping. Giving someone here on the list a deal! Works in Windows with HP 6200 drivers. Tested and still working, just used it a couple days ago! Finally hooked my new one up -- been in the box for six months!! Should work with Linux, not sure if there are drivers for it, should work with TWAIN drivers. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From operator at coco3.com Fri Jul 10 11:45:16 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:45:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forums restore Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090710103301.04bf86d8@coco3.com> Hello all, coco3.com has been restored to the state it was in on 7/5/2009. Any messages posted between then and earlier today are gone (as expected). I'm going to try to bring back as many messages as possible for the members who were affected by the recent database problem, by taking an older backup and extracting just those posts from the SQL commands, and either merge them in myself or get help from someone so the entries or indexes don't clash. The resulting database will be backed up daily or every few days. In fact, the entire site will also be backed up into one file by the host's cPanel every few days or so. This way, while I continue to block out known bad IPs, servers and domains, and keep a better watch on new signups, any mishap in the future can be undone within a few minutes of me being notified or me noticing it. I don't plan on things like this happening more frequently than they have in the past, which has been infrequent compared to many other sites under bot-attack, but I'll be watching, as will others who mod the forums, for anything unusual, and if it's a person doing it, I'll trace them to the chair they're sitting in, and that's a promise. For everybody else, enjoy your site and keep up the good chats, here and there, and everywhere. Thanks -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Fri Jul 10 11:54:15 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Coco] forum restore Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090710104655.04bf9118@coco3.com> I forgot to mention (and to any hackers, spammers, or bots :) , this message is mainly for you)... The entire site will be backed up, every file, every database entry, on an automatic schedule by the host. Spend 5 minutes, 5 days, 5 months poking around with the scripts, delete whoever you want, post your brag messages and pat yourself on the back, and within 5 minutes, I'll wind it back to normal and block your entire ISP. Today a large set of known bot and spammer IP addresses will be added back to the ban list. Unfortunately, yahoo and gmail e-mail addresses for sign-up are refused at this time while I get a better confirmation scheme integrated in. Be patient. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Fri Jul 10 13:59:05 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:59:05 -0700 Subject: [Coco] forums restore In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090710103301.04bf86d8@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090710103301.04bf86d8@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4A578169.5070102@bjork-huffman.net> Well, you have a bit more work to do because all post by 6809er are still missing. (As of time this message was sent at 10:58 AM PDT.) Steve Roger Taylor wrote: > Hello all, > coco3.com has been restored to the state it was in on 7/5/2009. Any > messages posted between then and earlier today are gone (as expected). > I'm going to try to bring back as many messages as possible for the > members who were affected by the recent database problem, by taking an > older backup and extracting just those posts from the SQL commands, > and either merge them in myself or get help from someone so the > entries or indexes don't clash. From gmajor at videotron.ca Fri Jul 10 14:02:29 2009 From: gmajor at videotron.ca (Guillaume Major) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:02:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Help! Pengon wanted... In-Reply-To: <4A571AE1.5010405@steubentech.com> References: <4A571AE1.5010405@steubentech.com> Message-ID: <83170A76B1534D688AD32AD20674D689@GOYiM> You're welcome! The AGI games don't have the drivewire drivers but I would be interested by an AGI boot disk that includes those drivers. If you ever create one, please send it to gmajor(at)videotron(dot)ca. Thanks! Guillaume ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Schaub" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.hardware.tandy.coco To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Help! Pengon wanted... I will second that thanks as well. can't wait to play some of those games on a real coco. (If the os9 disk images for the AGI games don't have drivewire drivers on them I will see if I can use toolshed or something to add them and make them available to you somehow) From aawolfe at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 15:17:54 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:17:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Decent OCR for Rainbow code listings Message-ID: Hi, Just wanted to mention that I've been having pretty good luck doing OCR on basic listings from scanned Rainbows. I'm using ABBYY fine reader, which is the only OCR product I've found (we have several at my office) which seems to handle the task well. I was suprised to find that one the built in recognition languages is called "Basic". It seems to have an idea of what tokens should be present which reduces errors a fair bit. Depending on the scan quality and font used it takes a bit of training, especially on punctuation, but overall I am impressed with how easily you can convert scanned images into usable basic code with this product. I'm not sure you could use this for assembly since the columns won't convert to the arrow key presses for edtasm very easily. Some programs have a second, equivalent listing that uses basic data statements with a poking loop, and I've had great luck OCRing these. Combine with the Paste feature in MESS, and "typing in" all those great old programs is quite fast. Hope I saved someone some time, have a great weekend all. -Aaron From wschaub at steubentech.com Fri Jul 10 15:20:47 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Help! Pengon wanted... In-Reply-To: <83170A76B1534D688AD32AD20674D689@GOYiM> References: <4A571AE1.5010405@steubentech.com> <83170A76B1534D688AD32AD20674D689@GOYiM> Message-ID: <4A57948F.1060706@steubentech.com> Guillaume Major wrote: > > > > You're welcome! > > The AGI games don't have the drivewire drivers but I would be > interested by an AGI boot disk that includes those drivers. If you > ever create one, please send it to gmajor(at)videotron(dot)ca. > > Thanks! > > Guillaume > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Schaub" > > Newsgroups: gmane.comp.hardware.tandy.coco > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:41 AM > Subject: Re: Help! Pengon wanted... > > > I will second that thanks as well. can't wait to play some of those > games on a real coco. (If the os9 disk images for the AGI games don't > have drivewire drivers on them I will see if I can use toolshed or > something to add them and make them available to you somehow) > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Does anyone currently have ANY Nitros9 disk images that successfully run AGI games period? I've been experimenting with vcc and nitros9 level 2 it claims to have drivers for agi games like leisure suit larry and kings quest III but I can't seem to get those to work at all. It's probably something I'm doing wrong since I'm just trying to start out learning nitros9. if I had a disk that already had nitros9 on it and an AGI game that was working I might be able to see what I'm doing wrong. From boisy at tee-boy.com Fri Jul 10 15:37:46 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:37:46 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Help! Pengon wanted... In-Reply-To: <4A57948F.1060706@steubentech.com> References: <4A571AE1.5010405@steubentech.com> <83170A76B1534D688AD32AD20674D689@GOYiM> <4A57948F.1060706@steubentech.com> Message-ID: Guys, The NitrOS-9 Project nightly builds have these disk images for the Sierra games in both DriveWire and regular disk boots. www.nitros9.org I see that not all games have DriveWire versions, I'll have to get to that when I have time. Boisy On Jul 10, 2009, at 2:20 PM, William Schaub wrote: > Guillaume Major wrote: >> >> >> >> You're welcome! >> >> The AGI games don't have the drivewire drivers but I would be >> interested by an AGI boot disk that includes those drivers. If you >> ever create one, please send it to gmajor(at)videotron(dot)ca. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Guillaume >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Schaub" > > >> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.hardware.tandy.coco >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > > >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:41 AM >> Subject: Re: Help! Pengon wanted... >> >> >> I will second that thanks as well. can't wait to play some of those >> games on a real coco. (If the os9 disk images for the AGI games don't >> have drivewire drivers on them I will see if I can use toolshed or >> something to add them and make them available to you somehow) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > Does anyone currently have ANY Nitros9 disk images that successfully > run AGI games period? > I've been experimenting with vcc and nitros9 level 2 it claims to > have drivers for agi games like leisure suit larry and kings quest > III but I can't seem to get those to work at all. It's probably > something I'm doing wrong since I'm just trying to start out > learning nitros9. if I had a disk that already had nitros9 on it > and an AGI game that was working I might be able to see what I'm > doing wrong. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Fri Jul 10 17:56:50 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:56:50 -0600 Subject: [Coco] sculptor was Re: Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <2F003F73E44A4468885AE28FC607BFC3@Shasta> References: <20090709192344.GA17754@virgo.sdc.org> <2F003F73E44A4468885AE28FC607BFC3@Shasta> Message-ID: <20090710215650.GA774@virgo.sdc.org> On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 08:10:32PM -0700, Stephen H. Fischer wrote: > Hi, Hey, wuzup? > > At least it does not trash your data as"DataMaster", 2nd version did. > Data Master is one of the programs I'm still looking for. But if it has problems, then I'm not so intereted. OS-9 hard drives seem fragile enough as it is, without running buggy software. > You did learn how to get huge datasets into it, did you not. No, I haven't gotten that far. Just a little inventory of something I only have 4 of, just to see if it actually worked. To import data, I'd guess you'd need to write a proper input form. I just used the automatic form and report generators, so I don't know how flexible the form language actually is. > Typing it all in by hand would make anyone back away quickly. Being taught SQL make me back away from ALL database work for about a decade. I'm sort of easing my way back into it, splitting my database time between MySQL (yuck, SQL!), Paradox 3.5 (always my favorite), and now Sculptor. Of course, if I really want *PAIN*, I have dBase II for CP/M and TRSDOS... ;-) > (Note to self, where are my Sculptor files?) /nil? /dev/null? NUL:? NULL:? Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com Fri Jul 10 19:23:37 2009 From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:23:37 -0700 Subject: [Coco] sculptor was Re: Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <20090710215650.GA774@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090709192344.GA17754@virgo.sdc.org><2F003F73E44A4468885AE28FC607BFC3@Shasta> <20090710215650.GA774@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willard Goosey" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] sculptor was Re: Magazines and Indexes > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 08:10:32PM -0700, Stephen H. Fischer wrote: >> Hi, > > Hey, wuzup? >> >> At least it does not trash your data as "DataMaster", 2nd version did. >> > Data Master is one of the programs I'm still looking for. But if it > has problems, then I'm not so intereted. OS-9 hard drives seem fragile > enough as it is, without running buggy software. The first DataMaster version was OK, as far as not trashing your data. The second Version (3?) looked pretty but certain combinations would place data from one field on top of another field. If the source were available they could be fixed very quickly. Sorting for both versions was very primitive and took a *very* long time. --------------------------- Sculptor was the only CoCo / OS-9 database program I would trust any data with. There could be some "hacking" to improve the user interface, this would have been worthwhile as the underlying data engine was reliable. I am unsure if a later version was released for the OS-9 version, it had many OS's that it would run on. I picked up the MS Dos version when it was offered for a very low price from Frank Hogg. >> You did learn how to get huge datasets into it, did you not. > > No, I haven't gotten that far. Just a little inventory of something I > only have 4 of, just to see if it actually worked. > > To import data, I'd guess you'd need to write a proper input form. I > just used the automatic form and report generators, so I don't know > how flexible the form language actually is. It has been many decades so the details are not fresh. I remember that you read standard input lines, parsed them yourself and looked for a line like: <<<>>> Or whatever you decided to check for. >> Typing it all in by hand would make anyone back away quickly. > > Being taught SQL make me back away from ALL database work for about a > decade. I'm sort of easing my way back into it, splitting my database > time between MySQL (yuck, SQL!), Paradox 3.5 (always my favorite), and > now Sculptor. Get a copy of Paradox 8 which I have, or perhaps Paradox 5 which I also have. Your time on Earth, mine for sure, is not worth wasting any time at all on any other database program. Once I got Paradox 5 (For Windows), it was so easy to use that it was a "Paradox", that I stopped looking any further. I had gone through several database programs including one from MS that the new version was so horrible than the version I was attempting to upgrade from. The Boland programmers were some of the greatest on the planet. They did a brilliant job and produced better software than their competitors. It was a crime that the bean counters could not keep the company afloat. I think I also have a Paradox MS DOS Version , perhaps 3.5 also. It was some what similar to Sculptor. The Windows versions of Paradox are quite different from the MS Dos version and very well worth stepping up to. Paradox has a devoted group of professional (Using Paradox to make money) users on line and I noted that Corel just offered a patch for something even though development stopped years ago. A crime in my mind and many other persons. If you are interested in pleasure not *PAIN*, pm me and I will suggest where to look for a copy of PARADOX, there might be a few still copies around. > Of course, if I really want *PAIN*, I have dBase II for CP/M and > TRSDOS... ;-) > >> (Note to self, where are my Sculptor files?) > > /nil? /dev/null? NUL:? NULL:? Nope, on CD with all my other CoCo / OS-9 disks. It's the Flex disks that I forgot to copy and probably are lost. > Willard > -- > Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. > -- R.E. Howard From operator at coco3.com Sat Jul 11 02:42:02 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:42:02 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> Some better news about the CoCo forums: I still see Bjork's and Briza's posts in the database. I'm not sure why they're not showing up in the forums but I'll figure it out soon and get them back. I think there are separate tables for the posts and the actual content linked to those post entries. Btw, on 6/29/09, a member of the forums first reported that they could not access their account. 4 minutes later, Steve Bjork reported that the site was working fine, and 1 hour later reported that he was able to log out and back in. Ofcourse, later I find out that Bjork was deleted as well. I think that the attacker might have been reading the list while they were able to perform these operations and then went for Bjork after he posted his message. Still no review of the logs yet. Would those who had their accounts affected please let me know here (with their nickname) so I can get a bigger picture of what happened? I think with a few flow charts, diagrams, and log studying, I can solve this mystery. And then -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From random_rodder at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 08:50:27 2009 From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering Message-ID: <617297.68132.qm@web43138.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Roger, My account was one of the first tone deleted. Username: random_rodder Sent from Brian's iPhone On Jul 11, 2009, at 2:42 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Some better news about the CoCo forums: > > I still see Bjork's and Briza's posts in the database. I'm not sure > why they're not showing up in the forums but I'll figure it out soon > and get them back. > > I think there are separate tables for the posts and the actual > content linked to those post entries. > > Btw, on 6/29/09, a member of the forums first reported that they > could not access their account. > 4 minutes later, Steve Bjork reported that the site was working > fine, and 1 hour later reported that he was able to log out and back > in. > Ofcourse, later I find out that Bjork was deleted as well. I think > that the attacker might have been reading the list while they were > able to perform these operations and then went for Bjork after he > posted his message. > > Still no review of the logs yet. > > Would those who had their accounts affected please let me know here > (with their nickname) so I can get a bigger picture of what > happened? I think with a few flow charts, diagrams, and log > studying, I can solve this mystery. > And then > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sat Jul 11 11:21:50 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:21:50 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> Roger, Could it be that when I created a new 6809er account (after the hacking) it may of caused a problem for your merge process of old databased into the current data. (The new 6809er account is not the same as the old 6809er account?) Feel free to edit/delete my current 6809er account if it will help. Thanks for all your hard work on the site and your other CoCo projects. We all know they are a labor of love and don't much money, if any. Steve Bjork Roger Taylor wrote: > Some better news about the CoCo forums: > > I still see Bjork's and Briza's posts in the database. I'm not sure > why they're not showing up in the forums but I'll figure it out soon > and get them back. From wschaub at steubentech.com Sat Jul 11 11:41:18 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:41:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <4A58B29E.9000402@steubentech.com> I just don't understand why anyone would want to attack a small group devoted to an obsolete 8 bit(well isn't it sort of 16 bit?) platform. Is there any background to all of this? In either case I hope everything is recovered and we come back stronger than ever The coco may not have been the most popular home computer system out there but in my opinion it was the most unique and had a winning combination of hardware and software. I don't think I would be where I am today without the coco. It did what modern computers really can't do. It provided an introduction to computers as a simple programmable device that could be easily understood and whats more it was all documented right down to the bare metal. It was a good learning tool and I'm grateful to have been influenced by it. I just don't understand why anyone would have a problem with the coco community continuing to exist. From skwirl42 at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 11:48:23 2009 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:48:23 -0300 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: <4A58B29E.9000402@steubentech.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> <4A58B29E.9000402@steubentech.com> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30907110848h3ddf6db6ye8a01b046ff8956b@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM, William Schaub wrote: > I just don't understand why anyone would want to attack a small group > devoted to an obsolete 8 bit(well isn't it sort of 16 bit?) platform. Is > there any background to all of this? Some people just like to cause grief, and because there's a certain anonymity on the internet, and lots of tools for being a jerk, they do it. -- James Dessart From cyberpunk at prtc.net Sat Jul 11 11:40:45 2009 From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:40:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: But I also made a new account under the my same username as well and it worked seamlessly when the backups were restored! Why not with yours? Something else is going on... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bjork" <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering > Roger, > > Could it be that when I created a new 6809er account (after the hacking) > it may of caused a problem for your merge process of old databased into > the current data. > (The new 6809er account is not the same as the old 6809er account?) > > Feel free to edit/delete my current 6809er account if it will help. > > Thanks for all your hard work on the site and your other CoCo projects. > We all know they are a labor of love and don't much money, if any. > > Steve Bjork > > Roger Taylor wrote: >> Some better news about the CoCo forums: From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sat Jul 11 12:36:15 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:36:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <4A58BF7F.2030403@bjork-huffman.net> Not to think BIG of myself (try not to any more) but it could be a hacker that did not like some of my post. There was one poster that spend his time putting down Intel CPUs. On one post he used Apple as an example of a high quality company that uses Motorola CPUs (68000 and Power PC) because they are better. He did not like my post when because I called him a CPU bigot and pointed out that Apple has been using Intel CPUs in their computer line for some time now. I don't think I saw another post from him after that. I love a good (heated) discussion. But please get your facts straight so I or anyone else can't easily poke holes in it. Steve RJLCyberPunk wrote: > But I also made a new account under the my same username as well and > it worked seamlessly when the backups were restored! Why not with > yours? Something else is going on... From gmajor at videotron.ca Sat Jul 11 13:05:31 2009 From: gmajor at videotron.ca (Guillaume Major) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:05:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Help! Pengon wanted... In-Reply-To: References: <4A571AE1.5010405@steubentech.com><83170A76B1534D688AD32AD20674D689@GOYiM><4A57948F.1060706@steubentech.com> Message-ID: Excellent! Thank you for making these available. Guillaume "Boisy Pitre" a ?crit dans le message de news:D7415FD1-B8D5-4C9B-BC03-1604505EDAC6 at tee-boy.com... > Guys, > > The NitrOS-9 Project nightly builds have these disk images for the Sierra > games in both DriveWire and regular disk boots. > > www.nitros9.org > > I see that not all games have DriveWire versions, I'll have to get to > that when I have time. > > Boisy > From random_rodder at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 21:47:21 2009 From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (Brian Blake) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <742176.46451.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Not sure what's going on right now. I created a new account the other day. When I logged on yesterday (I think) my old account and posts had been restored. Now I cannot log in again. Guess Roger is still working on it.... Brian ________________________________ From: RJLCyberPunk To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:40:45 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering But I also made a new account under the my same username as well and it worked seamlessly when the backups were restored! Why not with yours? Something else is going on... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bjork" <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering > Roger, > > Could it be that when I created a new 6809er account (after the hacking) it may of caused a problem for your merge process of old databased into the current data. > (The new 6809er account is not the same as the old 6809er account?) > > Feel free to edit/delete my current 6809er account if it will help. > > Thanks for all your hard work on the site and your other CoCo projects. > We all know they are a labor of love and don't much money, if any. > > Steve Bjork > > Roger Taylor wrote: >> Some better news about the CoCo forums: -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 23:06:22 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (vacuumboy1) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:06:22 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? Message-ID: Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written in BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 11 23:24:46 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:24:46 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A59577E.4030506@embarqmail.com> vacuumboy1 wrote: > Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written in BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! > I saw that done 25 or more years ago. I think it was before the COCO III. Someone named Scott ? was a student at Rice he did this at a usersgroup club meeting. Alan do you remember any thing about that or was it before your time? I remember it was several years before you went to Atlanta with Nancy. Dave -- I'm a vulgar old cuss, I fought for every bit of filthy dirt on me, don't expect me to sparkle. From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 00:25:33 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> No chance. You can use it as a dumb terminal although it's a bit slow, but telnet is an internet protocol using TCP - I never saw a version of that for the Coco. Neil On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: > > Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a > Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written in > BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. From operator at coco3.com Sun Jul 12 00:39:30 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:39:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: <742176.46451.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> <742176.46451.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711233644.04ca2998@coco3.com> At 08:47 PM 7/11/2009, you wrote: >Not sure what's going on right now. I created a new account the >other day. When I logged on yesterday (I think) my old account and >posts had been restored. Now I cannot log in again. Guess Roger is >still working on it.... > > >Brian Your 2008 posts were there because I temporarily restored to a 2008 backup I found (I thought it was June 2009). When the host restored back to 7/5 (a backup made after the attack), we go back to what we saw just after the attack, but I see the posts in the database... they're just not showing up right now. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 00:48:40 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:48:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907120048.40423.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Neil Morrison wrote: >No chance. You can use it as a dumb terminal although it's a bit slow, >but telnet is an internet protocol using TCP - I never saw a version >of that for the Coco. > >Neil While that is true, if running (Nitr)os9, we do have at least one decent terminal program that can probably do that job. I took someones VT-100 program and added enough stuff that it could pass as a VT-220 to the other end of the circuit, and while I was at it, added the zmodem triggers for bilateral file transfers. I believe it is on rtsi someplace, look for a name with VT220 or VT-220 in it. The vt might be lowercase. And I have enough CRS that I can't recall what I packed it with now, sorry. Another os9 candidate might be supercomm. >On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: >> Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a >> Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written >> in BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. As someone else said, telnet is a network protocol, I think you need a serial terminal program like vt-220 or supercomm. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 00:55:30 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? Message-ID: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> How can I use it as a terminal? (I refuse to call my baby "dumb", even though i know its the correct term) --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Gene Heskett wrote: From operator at coco3.com Sun Jul 12 00:59:17 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:59:17 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com> <4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711233941.04ca2c28@coco3.com> At 10:21 AM 7/11/2009, you wrote: >Roger, > >Could it be that when I created a new 6809er account (after the >hacking) it may of caused a problem for your merge process of old >databased into the current data. >(The new 6809er account is not the same as the old 6809er account?) > >Feel free to edit/delete my current 6809er account if it will help. > >Thanks for all your hard work on the site and your other CoCo projects. >We all know they are a labor of love and don't much money, if any. > >Steve Bjork As I said, some of the most active users here and in the forums apparently were targeted. In time, the back logs should prove who did it and how. Back when I enabled the User Upload feature of the site, somebody managed to upload a picture that was actually a script and somehow it ran and messed up the database. It was a real person who did this. They uploaded into their User folder multiple files until they got it right. I have a local copy of all the User folders at the time but haven't researched further to pinpoint the person who did it. A lot of that info is misplaced somewhere on my system. One of the scripts that probed the site was a HUGE PHP file chock full of commands. No uploads are allowed at this time because the system in use doesn't filter correctly. The rat who hacked the forums one time then posted a bragging message just walked in using my password they guessed. Sadly, it was a CoCo user/lurker. I just deleted 50+ inactive forum members with posts of 0, so if I deleted a long-time lurker, just rejoin and fill out the required fields so I'll know you're a person with CoCo interests. It's cleanup time. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From yahoogroups at aquaporin4.com Sun Jul 12 01:09:13 2009 From: yahoogroups at aquaporin4.com (Charles Richmond) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <904B9440-E360-44E3-A3FF-1D97E6F312B6@aquaporin4.com> On Jul 11, 2009, at 11:55 PM, KB wrote: > How can I use it as a terminal? (I refuse to call my baby "dumb", > even though i know its the correct term) > > Radio Shack used to sell a terminal cartridge for the Coco. Maybe someone here has one that they are willing to sell you. You could use a PC to telnet in, and then use the Coco as a terminal connected to the PC. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From cdiman7 at flash.net Sun Jul 12 01:11:28 2009 From: cdiman7 at flash.net (KARL SEFCIK) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? Message-ID: <746220.77323.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Vacuumboy,Hope a reply from here works. Anyway, I think Ultimaterm had a telnet menu, besides the basic text that ?it did for the Coco BBSs back then. --- On Sat, 7/11/09, vacuumboy1 wrote: From: vacuumboy1 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:06 PM Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written in BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 01:19:13 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:19:13 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93f331ac0907112219y624edf5ckcec17540eb0bd02e@mail.gmail.com> You need a terminal emulator. There were several for the Coco - COMPAC was Radio Shack's rather poor version. Neil On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:55 PM, KB wrote: > > How can I use it as a terminal? (I refuse to call my baby "dumb", even > though i know its the correct term) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 01:32:00 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:32:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200907120132.01113.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, KB wrote: >How can I use it as a terminal? (I refuse to call my baby "dumb", even > though i know its the correct term) AIR, when I had to run the vt-220 against an IBM system that was controlling our 7 meter network dish, you made sure the /t2 baud rate was correct, hooked up a null modem wired rs-232 cable between them, fired up the coco3 into os9, ran vt-220, and hit the enter key a couple of times, at which point the IBM system asked you for your username and password. Once logged in, I could do that which I had perms to do, which in this case was to maintain the satellite location tables and any moves/switches scheduled, the latter on a daily basis. Eventually there were enough errors that it was prudent to get it a phone line & let CBS do all that with their automatic dial-in to update it. Now of course its all buried in the digital data stream from them. I tried to use the vt-100 program, but it did not use the correct escape sequences & couldn't do the job, so when the vt-220 we had died and DEC wanted about $1000 for a fresh one, the vt-100 to vt-220 conversion was done on a crash basis & I had it working 100% in just a couple of days thanks to truly excellent docs in the form of the manual for the vt-220 we had. Fortunately, those escape codes were easy to put into a pair of arrays, and auto-switch between them based on the codes the IBM system sent. Some systems AIR needed a couple of taps on the escape key to wake them up, but the IBM I used it against wasn't one of them. OTOH, its been close to 20 years since I did that, so CRS has set in. :( >--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Gene Heskett wrote: -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt. -- Henry J. Kaiser ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:ColorComputer-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:ColorComputer-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ColorComputer-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From chester6809 at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 01:59:27 2009 From: chester6809 at gmail.com (Chester Patterson) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:59:27 -0600 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30907110848h3ddf6db6ye8a01b046ff8956b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090711005013.04b1a858@coco3.com><4A58AE0E.3000808@bjork-huffman.net><4A58B29E.9000402@steubentech.com> <4c56cbd30907110848h3ddf6db6ye8a01b046ff8956b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92AF2387454C4BE781563CDA9C4755C7@LTChester> I was chewing the fat with some fellow hams last night and reading the posts here. We've been having an awful time with fools causing interference around here (Costa Rica) but are in the process of triangulating them. The local authorities are no where near the capabilities of the USA FCC so we police the ether ourselves. I commented about Roger's problems with my buddies. There's all kinds of screwed up individuals out there using their perfectly good hardware, be it ham radios or computers, to make folks lives miserable. /Chester Costa Rica -----Original Message----- From: James Dessart [mailto:skwirl42 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:48 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM, William Schaub wrote: > I just don't understand why anyone would want to attack a small group > devoted to an obsolete 8 bit(well isn't it sort of 16 bit?) platform. > Is there any background to all of this? Some people just like to cause grief, and because there's a certain anonymity on the internet, and lots of tools for being a jerk, they do it. -- James Dessart From aawolfe at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 02:21:58 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:21:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am working on an enhancement to the Drivewire system that will allow the Coco to use the server's IP connection as a telnet/serial bridge. The server provides a serial port and virtual modem to the Coco that "dials" a remote system over the internet. This could be a regular telnet server or another Coco with a Drivewire running a BBS. Since the Drivewire interface is very fast, this should make using the Coco as a telnet client fairly pleasant. It will probably be several weeks before I have anything working. -Aaron On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Neil Morrison wrote: > No chance. You can use it as a dumb terminal although it's a bit slow, > but telnet is an internet protocol using TCP - I never saw a version > of that for the Coco. > > Neil > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: >> >> Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a >> Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written in >> BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From flexser at fiu.edu Sun Jul 12 03:39:45 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:39:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907120132.01113.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907120132.01113.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: If he doesn't want to get involved with OS-9, V-term (from Gimmesoft, for the CoCo 3) might do the trick with its VT-100 emulation. I recall the author (Tim Kientzle or something like that?) telling me that the published VT-100 specs were incomplete and/or wrong, and that he had to do a lot of work to get it to be properly VT-100 compatible. He tested it on demos where the screen control codes create an animated picture as a file is listed, like a glass of beer with bubbles rising, until everything worked right. So, I suspect that the problem Gene had with his VT-100 program was due to the implementation. I used V-term for years, and it worked great with my university's mainframe, including using the mainframe's Unix version of Lynx to access the Web on a CoCo (in text mode only, of course). Art On 7/12/09, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 July 2009, KB wrote: > >How can I use it as a terminal? (I refuse to call my baby "dumb", even > > though i know its the correct term) > > AIR, when I had to run the vt-220 against an IBM system that was controlling > our 7 meter network dish, you made sure the /t2 baud rate was correct, hooked > up a null modem wired rs-232 cable between them, fired up the coco3 into os9, > ran vt-220, and hit the enter key a couple of times, at which point the IBM > system asked you for your username and password. Once logged in, I could do > that which I had perms to do, which in this case was to maintain the satellite > location tables and any moves/switches scheduled, the latter on a daily basis. > > Eventually there were enough errors that it was prudent to get it a phone line > & let CBS do all that with their automatic dial-in to update it. Now of > course its all buried in the digital data stream from them. > > I tried to use the vt-100 program, but it did not use the correct escape > sequences & couldn't do the job, so when the vt-220 we had died and DEC wanted > about $1000 for a fresh one, the vt-100 to vt-220 conversion was done on a > crash basis & I had it working 100% in just a couple of days thanks to truly > excellent docs in the form of the manual for the vt-220 we had. Fortunately, > those escape codes were easy to put into a pair of arrays, and auto-switch > between them based on the codes the IBM system sent. > > Some systems AIR needed a couple of taps on the escape key to wake them up, > but the IBM I used it against wasn't one of them. OTOH, its been close to 20 > years since I did that, so CRS has set in. :( > > >--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. > > > When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt. > -- Henry J. Kaiser > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > mailto:ColorComputer-digest at yahoogroups.com > mailto:ColorComputer-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ColorComputer-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au Sun Jul 12 09:57:45 2009 From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering Message-ID: <368605.16137.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not to think BIG of myself (try not to any more) but it could be a hacker that did not like some of my post. There was one poster that spend his time putting down Intel CPUs.? On one post he used Apple as an example of a high quality company that uses Motorola CPUs (68000 and Power PC) because they are better.? He did not like my post when because I called him a CPU bigot and pointed out that Apple has been using Intel CPUs in their computer line for some time now. I don't think I saw another post from him after that. I love a good (heated) discussion. But please get your facts straight so I or anyone else can't easily poke holes in it. Steve Hi Fellow coconuts. I have to agree with Steve on this. I would love to know who I could have really P###Off for all my stuff to be wiped out. Only coconut I have had any heated discussions with would be Steve. But Steve and I have always got over it and moved on to something else to have our little tiffs overs, This is what makes having Steve in the community so much fun. Steve won't back down. You have to have facts to back up your story. ?Hopefully Steve and my posts will be fully restored in the forums. I suspect it was just random attacks on any user who had made certain amount of posts. RG I think was lucky to be still intact. Since looking at the history of posts. Robert has the highest amount. Which I am glad his posts are intact. would be a shame to lose all that knowledge stored in the forums. Lucky I save all Assembly related topics RG and the others write in. But not so much the other topics. Thanks to Roger for doing such a good job restoring most posts. Keep up the work. Viva La Coco. laters Briza ____________________________________________________________________________________ Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 11:06:45 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:06:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907120132.01113.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907121106.45444.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Arthur Flexser wrote: >If he doesn't want to get involved with OS-9, V-term (from Gimmesoft, >for the CoCo 3) might do the trick with its VT-100 emulation. I >recall the author (Tim Kientzle or something like that?) telling me >that the published VT-100 specs were incomplete and/or wrong, and that >he had to do a lot of work to get it to be properly VT-100 compatible. > He tested it on demos where the screen control codes create an >animated picture as a file is listed, like a glass of beer with >bubbles rising, until everything worked right. So, I suspect that the >problem Gene had with his VT-100 program was due to the >implementation. Memory says the vt-100 I started with was correctly coded, but as they added new esc sequences, they ran out of 2 key combo's, so a 3 key sequence was then done in the vt-220's. The service manual I was working from had both sets of tables in it because you could, in the DEC vt-220, actually turn the 220 stuff off. Whoever wrote the vt-100, and it seems like I recall the name Marquette on its sign-on screen, did I believe do it right, at least according to DEC. It would not be the first time that a published spec was wrong, just so they could point at broken competition & say 'you shoulda bought a DEC, ours works' >I used V-term for years, and it worked great with my >university's mainframe, including using the mainframe's Unix version >of Lynx to access the Web on a CoCo (in text mode only, of course). I never had a copy of it, Art. What is its status today? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. You have a massage (from the Swedish prime minister). From flexser at fiu.edu Sun Jul 12 11:52:53 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907121106.45444.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907120132.01113.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907121106.45444.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: I have no idea what the current status of V-term is. Tim Kientzle (formerly Tim Koonce) does show up in a web search with some pretty current information, so perhaps he could be contacted to answer this question. Art On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 July 2009, Arthur Flexser wrote: >>If he doesn't want to get involved with OS-9, V-term (from Gimmesoft, >>for the CoCo 3) might do the trick with its VT-100 emulation. ?I >>recall the author (Tim Kientzle or something like that?) telling me >>that the published VT-100 specs were incomplete and/or wrong, and that >>he had to do a lot of work to get it to be properly VT-100 compatible. >> He tested it on demos where the screen control codes create an >>animated picture as a file is listed, like a glass of beer with >>bubbles rising, until everything worked right. ?So, I suspect that the >>problem Gene had with his VT-100 program was due to the >>implementation. > > Memory says the vt-100 I started with was correctly coded, but as they added > new esc sequences, they ran out of 2 key combo's, so a 3 key sequence was then > done in the vt-220's. ?The service manual I was working from had both sets of > tables in it because you could, in the DEC vt-220, actually turn the 220 stuff > off. ?Whoever wrote the vt-100, and it seems like I recall the name Marquette > on its sign-on screen, did I believe do it right, at least according to DEC. > > It would not be the first time that a published spec was wrong, just so they > could point at broken competition & say 'you shoulda bought a DEC, ours works' > >>I used V-term for years, and it worked great with my >>university's mainframe, including using the mainframe's Unix version >>of Lynx to access the Web on a CoCo (in text mode only, of course). > > I never had a copy of it, Art. ?What is its status today? > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > ?soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. > > > You have a massage (from the Swedish prime minister). > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 12:35:32 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907121106.45444.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907121235.32934.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Arthur Flexser wrote: >I have no idea what the current status of V-term is. Tim Kientzle >(formerly Tim Koonce) does show up in a web search with some pretty >current information, so perhaps he could be contacted to answer this >question. > >Art He did do some stuff, and show up occasionally on the coco lists of 10+ years ago. Tim, are you lurking yet? Listens patiently for a reply... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. What is research but a blind date with knowledge? -- Will Harvey From chargeron at cox.net Sun Jul 12 12:38:59 2009 From: chargeron at cox.net (chargeron) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? References: Message-ID: I use sterm 2.0 on a pc connected to a coco3 using ultimaterm via the rs232 pack and a null modem thingy... Works perfect! Ron Delvaux ----- Original Message ----- From: vacuumboy1 To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: [Color Computer] Telnet program? Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written in BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 12 13:13:42 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:13:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907121235.32934.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907121106.45444.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907121235.32934.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A5A19C6.8060606@embarqmail.com> Gene Heskett wrote: Tim Kientzle >> (formerly Tim Koonce) does show up in a web search with some pretty Has anyone looked on Glensides membership rosster? -- I'm a vulgar old cuss, I fought for every bit of filthy dirt on me, don't expect me to sparkle. From operator at coco3.com Sun Jul 12 14:18:36 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:18:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: <368605.16137.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <368605.16137.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712131653.04a98238@coco3.com> When you quote messages, can you please separate the quoted portion from your own content? It looks as if Steve Bjork posted his message twice until I kept reading further down the message. At 08:57 AM 7/12/2009, you wrote: >Not to think BIG of myself (try not to any more) but it could be a >hacker that did not like some of my post. > >There was one poster that spend his time putting down Intel CPUs. On >one post he used Apple as an example of a high quality company that uses >Motorola CPUs (68000 and Power PC) because they are better. He did not >like my post when because I called him a CPU bigot and pointed out that >Apple has been using Intel CPUs in their computer line for some time >now. I don't think I saw another post from him after that. > >I love a good (heated) discussion. But please get your facts straight so >I or anyone else can't easily poke holes in it. > >Steve > >Hi Fellow coconuts. > >I have to agree with Steve on this. I would love to know who I could >have really P###Off for all my stuff to be wiped out. Only coconut I >have had any heated discussions with would be Steve. But Steve and I >have always got over it and moved on to something else to have our >little tiffs overs, This is what makes having Steve in the community >so much fun. Steve won't back down. You have to have facts to back >up your story. > Hopefully Steve and my posts will be fully restored in the forums. >I suspect it was just random attacks on any user who had made >certain amount of posts. RG I think was lucky to be still intact. >Since looking at the history of posts. Robert has the highest >amount. Which I am glad his posts are intact. would be a shame to >lose all that knowledge stored in the forums. Lucky I save all >Assembly related topics RG and the others write in. But not so much >the other topics. > >Thanks to Roger for doing such a good job restoring most posts. Keep >up the work. > >Viva La Coco. > >laters > >Briza > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. >Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From yahoogroups at aquaporin4.com Sun Jul 12 14:43:24 2009 From: yahoogroups at aquaporin4.com (Charles Richmond) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:43:24 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <266AE0B0-5AD7-41B2-98D2-6181041A23B9@aquaporin4.com> A few years ago on the web, some guy had his TRS-80 (*not* the Coco) running a BBS on the web. It was connected to the internet via his PC, and you could telnet into it. But the BBS itself was running on the *actual* TRS-80 hardware and disks. On Jul 12, 2009, at 11:38 AM, chargeron wrote: > I use sterm 2.0 on a pc connected to a coco3 using ultimaterm via > the rs232 pack and a null modem thingy... > > Works perfect! > > Ron Delvaux > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vacuumboy1 > To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:06 PM > Subject: [Color Computer] Telnet program? > > Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to > use a Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code > (preferebly written in BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help > will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! > > -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 12 14:54:38 2009 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:54:38 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5A316E.1010204@sbcglobal.net> Neil, There is a version of the KA9Q Telnet TCP program that runs on a COCO. John Donaldson Neil Morrison wrote: > No chance. You can use it as a dumb terminal although it's a bit slow, > but telnet is an internet protocol using TCP - I never saw a version > of that for the Coco. > > Neil > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: > >> Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a >> Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written in >> BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- From operator at coco3.com Sun Jul 12 15:21:44 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:21:44 -0500 Subject: [Coco] source of recent spammer Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712141915.04a4a3e0@coco3.com> 66.249.67.243 IP address location & more: IP address [?]: 66.249.67.243 Copy [Whois] [Reverse IP] IP country code: US IP address country: ip address flag United States IP address state: California IP address city: Mountain View IP postcode: 94043 IP address latitude: 37.4192 IP address longitude: -122.0574 ISP of this IP [?]: Google Organization: Google Host of this IP: [?]: crawl-66-249-67-243.googlebot.com[Whois] [Trace] Local time in United States: 2009-07-12 12:18 One aggressive spammer has been coming in with IP ranges 66.249.*.* All traces have pulled up the above information. Why and how would a googlebot be posting porn to my forums? Could the IP addresses be fake or spoofed? -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 105b7a05.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1110 bytes Desc: not available Url : -------------- next part -------------- -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From charles.shrader at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 15:20:18 2009 From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:20:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <266AE0B0-5AD7-41B2-98D2-6181041A23B9@aquaporin4.com> Message-ID: I know of a utility called TCPSER: "TCPSER turns a PC serial port into an emulated Hayes compatible modem that uses TCP/IP for incoming and outgoing connections. It can be used to allow older applications and systems designed for modem use to operate on the Internet. TCPSER supports all standard Hayes commands, and understands extended and vendor proprietary commands (though it does not implement many of them). TCPSER can be used for both inbound and outbound connections." I've used it with my Commodore 64 (works great!) but don't see why it wouldn't work with a Color Computer as well... Chuck From operator at coco3.com Sun Jul 12 15:30:10 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Coco] source of recent spammer In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712141915.04a4a3e0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712141915.04a4a3e0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712142533.04a4a900@coco3.com> Since the IP range resolves to a google crawler, I wonder if somebody is doing this so sites will block the IP range unknowingly blocking Google, so their own sites will float higher in the rankings. Makes sense, but who's doing it. Very evil, indeed. I'm really starting to get PO'ed now. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Sun Jul 12 16:00:03 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:00:03 -0600 Subject: [Coco] vterm! Re: [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907120132.01113.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090712200003.GA1066@virgo.sdc.org> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 03:39:45AM -0400, Arthur Flexser wrote: > If he doesn't want to get involved with OS-9, V-term (from Gimmesoft, > for the CoCo 3) might do the trick with its VT-100 emulation. I Oh yeah. V-term is the best vt100 emulator I've ever seen. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From aawolfe at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 16:28:25 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:28:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] source of recent spammer In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712142533.04a4a900@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712141915.04a4a3e0@coco3.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090712142533.04a4a900@coco3.com> Message-ID: Spammers often use various google services as a proxy to hide their own IP (google translate is a common way). One way to prevent abuse from this type of thing is to use a reverse proxy such as Squid ( http://www.squid-cache.org/ ) in front of your web server(s). You can then restrict requests from google crawler IP ranges to the user agent used by googlebot. This blocks any proxied requests but still allows the crawler to index your site. Similar things can be set up for yahoo, etc. A reverse proxy in front of your site can be very useful for all kinds of other security functions as well. You can detect intrusion attempts and block them in realtime, use complex ACLs, implement resouce limits, all kinds of handy things. Good luck -Aaron On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Since the IP range resolves to a google crawler, I wonder if somebody is > doing this so sites will block the IP range unknowingly blocking Google, so > their own sites will float higher in the rankings. ?Makes sense, but who's > doing it. > > Very evil, indeed. ?I'm really starting to get PO'ed now. > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 17:15:31 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <4A5A19C6.8060606@embarqmail.com> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907121235.32934.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5A19C6.8060606@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <200907121715.31262.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: > Tim Kientzle > >>> (formerly Tim Koonce) does show up in a web search with some pretty > >Has anyone looked on Glensides membership rosster? I don't think I have access, I haven't rx'd the newsletter in a couple of years or maybe 3. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. millihelen, n.: The amount of beauty required to launch one ship. From operator at coco3.com Sun Jul 12 17:23:43 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:23:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] security code added to forum signups Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712153026.04b03708@coco3.com> Folks, I just added a random security # to the CoCo Forum signup process, and I'll try to add it to both the Login block and to the forums before a message is posted. I hope this keeps bots from signing up and posting. What they were doing was spending many months signing up and then attacking at once so that it's hard to fight them off quick enough before people see the content. In the past, the random security code feature wasn't working, so anybody could sign up unapproved. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 17:26:45 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <266AE0B0-5AD7-41B2-98D2-6181041A23B9@aquaporin4.com> References: <266AE0B0-5AD7-41B2-98D2-6181041A23B9@aquaporin4.com> Message-ID: <200907121726.45521.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Charles Richmond wrote: >A few years ago on the web, some guy had his TRS-80 (*not* the Coco) >running a BBS on the web. It was connected to the internet via his >PC, and you could telnet into it. But the BBS itself was running on >the *actual* TRS-80 hardware and disks. I've thought about doing something similar & then I remember that the whole machine is available, so that and the increase in the light bill tended to make it just a thought. A 2 meg coco3, with a gigabyte hard drive would make a good playground though. I'd have to set up another port forward in the router too, and that's just another attack vector. Yesterdays log shows nearly 5000 packets dropped from 3 addresses that whois back to a couple of Akemi accounts. So I may at some point be forced to shut down my web server, currently running on a non-port 80 address, and then I'd be completely invisible on the net. dd-wrt is the best kept secret in the router world. I should not admit this but I don't run any other firewalls on the stuff behind it. So far, it Just Works(TM). -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. On a normal ascii line, the only safe condition to detect is a 'BREAK' - everything else having been assigned functions by Gnu EMACS. -- Tarl Neustaedter ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:ColorComputer-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:ColorComputer-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ColorComputer-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 17:28:52 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:28:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <4A5A316E.1010204@sbcglobal.net> References: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> <4A5A316E.1010204@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200907121728.52436.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, John Donaldson wrote: >Neil, > There is a version of the KA9Q Telnet TCP program that runs on a COCO. > >John Donaldson > Where is that available, John? The copy of ka9q I have has never done more than lock itself up & I've studied the docs, what little there is, at length. >Neil Morrison wrote: >> No chance. You can use it as a dumb terminal although it's a bit slow, >> but telnet is an internet protocol using TCP - I never saw a version >> of that for the Coco. >> >> Neil >> >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: >>> Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a >>> Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written >>> in BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination -- but the combination is locked up in the safe. -- Peter DeVries From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 17:47:03 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:47:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] source of recent spammer In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712141915.04a4a3e0@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712141915.04a4a3e0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <200907121747.03495.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >66.249.67.243 IP >address location & more: >IP address [?]: 66.249.67.243 >Copy >[Whois] >[Reverse IP] >IP country code: US >IP address country: >ip address flag >United States >IP address state: California >IP address city: Mountain View >IP postcode: 94043 >IP address latitude: 37.4192 >IP address longitude: -122.0574 >ISP of this IP [?]: Google >Organization: Google >Host of this IP: [?]: >crawl-66-249-67-243.googlebot.com9-67-243.googlebot.com>[Whois] > [Trac >e] Local time in United States: 2009-07-12 12:18 > > >One aggressive spammer has been coming in with IP ranges 66.249.*.* >All traces have pulled up the above information. Why and how would a >googlebot be posting porn to my forums? Could the IP addresses be >fake or spoofed? I don't know the answer to the last question, but I sure would be advising Google of it. Perhaps they need to weed the employee garden? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours! (Adapted from Pat Paulsen by Joe Sloan) From operator at coco3.com Sun Jul 12 17:47:15 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:47:15 -0500 Subject: [Coco] older forum archives Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712162840.04b04000@coco3.com> As most know, the forums I had in place up until the 2007 crash is still archived. I want to take the thousands of messages and merge them into the current forum system somehow... not the users, but the posts. The posts will probably require to be linked to an existing user in the current forums. I'm not sure how to go about this project yet. I want to relieve any pain from those who have posts hundreds of messages over the years and had to see some or all of them vanish during a database crash or mishap. They're not gone, so hang in there. The content is still here from the old forums (IPB system). I need to merge the old posts into a phpbb2 database somehow. I think a script would need to be run that creates an SQL command script for inserting the old posts into the new database. When I import the script into phpMyAdmin, the content hopefully would merge in without clashing with any current index values for existing posts. I want to keep the old dates (the time doesn't matter) and add posts as if they are newly posted but hoping they don't float to the top. I think a project like this will require a PHP/MySQL dabbler as well as someone semi-smart with the inner workings of Invision Power Board and phpBB2. The closest person with those credentials that I know of is myself. Gasp. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 17:47:52 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200907121747.52774.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Charles Shrader wrote: >I know of a utility called TCPSER: > >"TCPSER turns a PC serial port into an emulated Hayes compatible modem that >uses TCP/IP for incoming and outgoing connections. It can be used to allow >older applications and systems designed for modem use to operate on the >Internet. TCPSER supports all standard Hayes commands, and understands >extended and vendor proprietary commands (though it does not implement many >of them). TCPSER can be used for both inbound and outbound connections." > >I've used it with my Commodore 64 (works great!) but don't see why it >wouldn't work with a Color Computer as well... > >Chuck I assume that is a winderz program? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours! (Adapted from Pat Paulsen by Joe Sloan) ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From badfrog at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 19:22:11 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:22:11 -0500 Subject: [Coco] source of recent spammer In-Reply-To: <200907121747.03495.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712141915.04a4a3e0@coco3.com> <200907121747.03495.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9efa17da0907121622q631a29c6xf79d3b5ad3ea51d8@mail.gmail.com> I highly doubt it's actually a Google IP address or employee. (Or that they would even respond to someone owning a single forum being spammed) Most likely the IPs are just spoofed. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 July 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >>66.249.67.243 IP >>address location & more: >>IP address [?]: 66.249.67.243 >>Copy >>[Whois] >>[Reverse IP] >>IP country code: US >>IP address country: >>ip address flag >>United States >>IP address state: California >>IP address city: Mountain View >>IP postcode: 94043 >>IP address latitude: 37.4192 >>IP address longitude: -122.0574 >>ISP of this IP [?]: Google >>Organization: Google >>Host of this IP: [?]: >>crawl-66-249-67-243.googlebot.com>9-67-243.googlebot.com>[Whois] >> [Trac >>e] Local time in United States: 2009-07-12 12:18 >> >> >>One aggressive spammer has been coming in with IP ranges 66.249.*.* >>All traces have pulled up the above information. ?Why and how would a >>googlebot be posting porn to my forums? ?Could the IP addresses be >>fake or spoofed? > > I don't know the answer to the last question, but I sure would be advising > Google of it. ?Perhaps they need to weed the employee garden? > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > ?soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. > > > We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours! > (Adapted from Pat Paulsen by Joe Sloan) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 12 20:17:17 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:17:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I've been putting in the World of 68 Micros (Great Magazine Frank, you did good work), but I am missing the PDFs of issues 4 & 5 of Vol 2. Anyone have those scanned? Also, the December 88, November 89, and December 89 zipped issues of Rainbow on Malted appear to be broken. From operator at coco3.com Sun Jul 12 20:26:09 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:26:09 -0500 Subject: [Coco] country blocked Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712192246.0493a580@coco3.com> If someone among us lives in Russia, could they please try to access coco3.com to see if it blocks you? I've been blasted by Russian attacks all day long and while I work on a better human-signup process, I've had to block the entire country of Russia. No offense to any one person or the country itself, but I see no other way right now to drastically reduce the chances of porn or spam being flooded into the forums while I'm asleep or at work. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From aawolfe at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 23:03:19 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:03:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] source of recent spammer In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0907121622q631a29c6xf79d3b5ad3ea51d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712141915.04a4a3e0@coco3.com> <200907121747.03495.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <9efa17da0907121622q631a29c6xf79d3b5ad3ea51d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: TCP is extremely difficult to spoof over routed networks. Unlike UDP, ICMP and some other protocols, TCP uses a bidirectional handshake when establishing a connection and sequence numbers to identify packet order. While it's trivial to send a packet with a forged source, its near impossible to receive the response. The one exception to this is when you are able to use ARP to spoof the physical address of a victim's gateway, but this only works when you are on the same broadcast network (essentially the same LAN) as the victim. Not something you can do on the internet. It is very likely that these HTTP connections do indeed come from the IP addresses recorded in the logs. Not that it really helps :) -Aaron On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Sean wrote: > I highly doubt it's actually a Google IP address or employee. ?(Or > that they would even respond to someone owning a single forum being > spammed) > Most likely the IPs are just spoofed. > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >>>66.249.67.243 IP >>>address location & more: >>>IP address [?]: 66.249.67.243 >>>Copy >>>[Whois] >>>[Reverse IP] >>>IP country code: US >>>IP address country: >>>ip address flag >>>United States >>>IP address state: California >>>IP address city: Mountain View >>>IP postcode: 94043 >>>IP address latitude: 37.4192 >>>IP address longitude: -122.0574 >>>ISP of this IP [?]: Google >>>Organization: Google >>>Host of this IP: [?]: >>>crawl-66-249-67-243.googlebot.com>>9-67-243.googlebot.com>[Whois] >>> [Trac >>>e] Local time in United States: 2009-07-12 12:18 >>> >>> >>>One aggressive spammer has been coming in with IP ranges 66.249.*.* >>>All traces have pulled up the above information. ?Why and how would a >>>googlebot be posting porn to my forums? ?Could the IP addresses be >>>fake or spoofed? >> >> I don't know the answer to the last question, but I sure would be advising >> Google of it. ?Perhaps they need to weed the employee garden? >> >> -- >> Cheers, Gene >> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >> ?soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. >> >> >> We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours! >> (Adapted from Pat Paulsen by Joe Sloan) >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au Sun Jul 12 23:44:22 2009 From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering Message-ID: <855843.53505.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok Roger. next time I will make it more easier to read. Give me time mate. I'm still learning how this email stuff works. Most times I only copy the Topic subject line. and write a new post. But Steve's post is 100% correct and related to what I was going to be saying. So I did the easy way and just Cut & Pasted it into my email post. laters Briza ____________________________________________________________________________________ Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Mon Jul 13 00:48:24 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:48:24 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums information gathering In-Reply-To: <368605.16137.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <368605.16137.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A5ABC98.5040103@iinet.net.au> tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au wrote: > Which I am glad > his posts are intact. would be a shame to lose all that knowledge stored > in the forums. Which is why I much prefer mailing lists and usenet news groups over web-based forums. That way _I_ control which posts I keep, and which I delete. There are some mailing lists that I have archived back to 2002 - safely stored on my HDD and periodically burned to DVD - that no-one else can touch. I even go as far as storing an off-site backup occasionally. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From adit at nationsdial.com Mon Jul 13 02:46:15 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net> <4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4F4513FE-B828-426C-B3A7-7D46FCD2A394@nationsdial.com> On Jul 12, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Paul Fitch wrote: > I've been putting in the World of 68 Micros (Great Magazine Frank, > you did > good work), but I am missing the PDFs of issues 4 & 5 of Vol 2. > Anyone have > those scanned? > I believe that they should be up on maltedmedia somewhere. I have them scanned here for the archive project and I *think* they made it on to maltedmedia a while ago. Dean From snhirsch at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 07:34:58 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907121726.45521.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <266AE0B0-5AD7-41B2-98D2-6181041A23B9@aquaporin4.com> <200907121726.45521.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: > So I may at some point be forced to shut down my web server, > currently running on a non-port 80 address, and then I'd be completely > invisible on the net. dd-wrt is the best kept secret in the router world. I > should not admit this but I don't run any other firewalls on the stuff behind > it. So far, it Just Works(TM). Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at keeping out intruders. I've never heard of one of these units being compromised in the wild. Steve -- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jul 13 11:20:52 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:20:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: <200907121726.45521.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907131120.52784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 13 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> So I may at some point be forced to shut down my web server, >> currently running on a non-port 80 address, and then I'd be completely >> invisible on the net. dd-wrt is the best kept secret in the router world. >> I should not admit this but I don't run any other firewalls on the stuff >> behind it. So far, it Just Works(TM). > >Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at keeping >out intruders. I've never heard of one of these units being compromised >in the wild. > >Steve I don't think I have either. But if its the WRT54L version, there is a dd-wrt built for it. The non-L versions don't have enough ram to do some of the stuff the full version can do. Needs 4 megs to cache it all & the non-L only has 2 megs. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. There's a whole WORLD in a mud puddle! -- Doug Clifford From aawolfe at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 12:27:55 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907131120.52784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907121726.45521.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907131120.52784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >>On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> So I may at some point be forced to shut down my web server, >>> currently running on a non-port 80 address, and then I'd be completely >>> invisible on the net. ?dd-wrt is the best kept secret in the router world. >>> ?I should not admit this but I don't run any other firewalls on the stuff >>> behind it. ?So far, it Just Works(TM). >> >>Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at keeping >>out intruders. ?I've never heard of one of these units being compromised >>in the wild. >> >>Steve > > I don't think I have either. ?But if its the WRT54L version, there is a dd-wrt > built for it. ?The non-L versions don't have enough ram to do some of the > stuff the full version can do. Needs 4 megs to cache it all & the non-L only > has 2 megs. > Rain ----> parade: http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5NP0D15GUE.html But they are very nice little routers. A variety of alternative firmwares are available, including many that do not require the L variant. If you like dd-wrt, you might love "Tomato". > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > ?soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. > > > There's a whole WORLD in a mud puddle! > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Doug Clifford > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 13 12:31:34 2009 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:31:34 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907121728.52436.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <93f331ac0907112125w712c7ae5hebe4fcef844e0eb4@mail.gmail.com> <4A5A316E.1010204@sbcglobal.net> <200907121728.52436.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A5B6166.7010809@sbcglobal.net> Gene, Not sure where the COCO version is. By the time I started playing around with TCP I was doing it on the MM/1 and using the OSK version of KA9Q. One way is to see if he is still around is by doing a search for him at www.QRZ.com. Go there and type in KA9Q. John Donaldson Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 July 2009, John Donaldson wrote: > >> Neil, >> There is a version of the KA9Q Telnet TCP program that runs on a COCO. >> >> John Donaldson >> >> > Where is that available, John? The copy of ka9q I have has never done more > than lock itself up & I've studied the docs, what little there is, at length. > > >> Neil Morrison wrote: >> >>> No chance. You can use it as a dumb terminal although it's a bit slow, >>> but telnet is an internet protocol using TCP - I never saw a version >>> of that for the Coco. >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! I needed to find a telnet program so I can use the COCO III to use a >>>> Cray supercomputer and use startty. Any programs, code(preferebly written >>>> in BASIC on a txt file) suggestions, or help will be GREATLY appreciated. >>>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> > > > -- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jul 13 13:32:17 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:32:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <4A5B6166.7010809@sbcglobal.net> References: <200907121728.52436.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5B6166.7010809@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200907131332.17650.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 13 July 2009, John Donaldson wrote: >Gene, > Not sure where the COCO version is. By the time I started playing >around with TCP I was doing it on the MM/1 and using the OSK version of >KA9Q. One way is to see if he is still around is by doing a search for >him at www.QRZ.com. Go there and type in KA9Q. > >John Donaldson > >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 12 July 2009, John Donaldson wrote: >>> Neil, >>> There is a version of the KA9Q Telnet TCP program that runs on a COCO. >>> >>> John Donaldson And that comes up with Phillip Karn, whose ham call is KA9Q now for a few years. But no email. However a search for KA9Q on google found his web page, and his web page had links to COCOKA9Q.ar, dated 1995 on ucsd's ftp site. So I grabbed it. This copy is hopefully newer than the one I played with a decade and change back. He now, and quite rightfully, recommends linux for ones networking needs on more conventional x86 hdwe. I put it at in case anyone else wants to play. No idea what the license terms are as yet, I haven't unpacked it. [...] -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Shame is an improper emotion invented by pietists to oppress the human race. -- Robert Preston, Toddy, "Victor/Victoria" From snhirsch at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 18:11:01 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907131120.52784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907121726.45521.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907131120.52784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> So I may at some point be forced to shut down my web server, >>> currently running on a non-port 80 address, and then I'd be completely >>> invisible on the net. dd-wrt is the best kept secret in the router world. >>> I should not admit this but I don't run any other firewalls on the stuff >>> behind it. So far, it Just Works(TM). >> >> Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at keeping >> out intruders. I've never heard of one of these units being compromised >> in the wild. >> >> Steve > > I don't think I have either. But if its the WRT54L version, there is a dd-wrt > built for it. The non-L versions don't have enough ram to do some of the > stuff the full version can do. Needs 4 megs to cache it all & the non-L only > has 2 megs. Actually, the Rev2 and 3 WRT54G also meet the specs for reflashing. I scored a Rev2 at a flea market for $5 :-). Steve -- From snhirsch at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 18:13:06 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: <200907121726.45521.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907131120.52784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>> Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at keeping >>> out intruders. ?I've never heard of one of these units being compromised >>> in the wild. > Rain ----> parade: http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5NP0D15GUE.html Thanks, that's very interesting! However, IMHO anyone that opens the admin web server to the WAN has rocks in their head to begin with. The first thing I did was ensure that remote admin was disabled. Steve -- From benbleau at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 18:17:58 2009 From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Looking for Rainbow March 1985 Message-ID: <4A5BB296.2070700@gmail.com> I'm looking for the pdf for Rainbow March 1985. The one on ftp.maltedmedia.com gives me an error when I open it. Anyone has a working copy I can download? Thanks! Benoit. From aawolfe at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 18:29:11 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:29:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: <200907121726.45521.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907131120.52784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Aaron Wolfe wrote: > >>>> Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at >>>> keeping >>>> out intruders. ?I've never heard of one of these units being compromised >>>> in the wild. > >> Rain ----> parade: ?http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5NP0D15GUE.html > > Thanks, that's very interesting! ?However, IMHO anyone that opens the admin > web server to the WAN has rocks in their head to begin with. > > The first thing I did was ensure that remote admin was disabled. > Very true. Admin interface open to the public is just begging to be exploited. Of course the internal side can be troublesome too. There are two wtr54g's that broadcast into my house well enough to use their connection. I am tempted to try the exploits mentioned in that announcement, but in truth it would be unnecessary since both are using the default SSID, no encryption, and the default login/password. I suspect thats by far the most common configuration :) > Steve > > > -- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 13 18:54:30 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:54:30 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: <4F4513FE-B828-426C-B3A7-7D46FCD2A394@nationsdial.com> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net><4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> <4F4513FE-B828-426C-B3A7-7D46FCD2A394@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: You are right, they are on Malted, BUT they have an extension of .PM4. Others have .PM5 and still others are PDFs. I downloaded all of the PDFs, but ignored the PM4 and PM5 files. Anyone know what saoftware reads these? > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dean Leiber > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:46 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > > On Jul 12, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Paul Fitch wrote: > > > I've been putting in the World of 68 Micros (Great Magazine > Frank, you > > did > > good work), but I am missing the PDFs of issues 4 & 5 of Vol 2. > > Anyone have > > those scanned? > > > > I believe that they should be up on maltedmedia somewhere. I have > them scanned here for the archive project and I *think* they made it > on to maltedmedia a while ago. > > > Dean > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From adit at nationsdial.com Mon Jul 13 19:06:08 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:06:08 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net><4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> <4F4513FE-B828-426C-B3A7-7D46FCD2A394@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: <7664B7A9-3253-418F-9055-F70BCF94CEE1@nationsdial.com> On Jul 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Paul Fitch wrote: > You are right, they are on Malted, BUT they have an extension of .PM4. > Others have .PM5 and still others are PDFs. I downloaded all of > the PDFs, > but ignored the PM4 and PM5 files. Anyone know what saoftware > reads these? > Those are pagemaker files. There *should be* two different sets of 68 micro on maltedmedia. One set is rendered from the Pagemaker files, and should be much smaller. I scanned in the set I have and made PDFs, which will be larger. Perhaps the scanned ones aren't on there, but I did them so long ago I was sure that they made it on to maltedmedia. Dean From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 13 19:18:32 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:18:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: <7664B7A9-3253-418F-9055-F70BCF94CEE1@nationsdial.com> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net><4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net><4F4513FE-B828-426C-B3A7-7D46FCD2A394@nationsdial.com> <7664B7A9-3253-418F-9055-F70BCF94CEE1@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: Nope, those two didn't make it. There are 18 pagemaker files inthere and only 16 pdf files. I'll have to bring them to the office and get my admin to convert them for me. Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dean Leiber > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:06 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Paul Fitch wrote: > > > You are right, they are on Malted, BUT they have an > extension of .PM4. > > Others have .PM5 and still others are PDFs. I downloaded > all of the > > PDFs, but ignored the PM4 and PM5 files. Anyone know what > saoftware > > reads these? > > > > Those are pagemaker files. There *should be* two different > sets of 68 micro on maltedmedia. One set is rendered from the > Pagemaker files, and should be much smaller. I scanned in the > set I have and made PDFs, which will be larger. Perhaps the > scanned ones aren't on there, but I did them so long ago I > was sure that they made it on to maltedmedia. > > > Dean > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jul 13 21:49:20 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:49:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: <200907131120.52784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907132149.20701.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 13 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Monday 13 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >>>> So I may at some point be forced to shut down my web server, >>>> currently running on a non-port 80 address, and then I'd be completely >>>> invisible on the net. dd-wrt is the best kept secret in the router >>>> world. I should not admit this but I don't run any other firewalls on >>>> the stuff behind it. So far, it Just Works(TM). >>> >>> Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at >>> keeping out intruders. I've never heard of one of these units being >>> compromised in the wild. >>> >>> Steve >> >> I don't think I have either. But if its the WRT54L version, there is a >> dd-wrt built for it. The non-L versions don't have enough ram to do some >> of the stuff the full version can do. Needs 4 megs to cache it all & the >> non-L only has 2 megs. > >Actually, the Rev2 and 3 WRT54G also meet the specs for reflashing. I >scored a Rev2 at a flea market for $5 :-). > >Steve Darn, I smell roses. But then the flea markets around here are decidedly low tech. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. * TwingyAFK is shopping for 17" flat panel * aav sells TwingyAFK a piece of plywood From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jul 13 21:52:02 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:52:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200907132152.02912.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 13 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>>> Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at >>>> keeping out intruders. I've never heard of one of these units being >>>> compromised in the wild. >> >> Rain ----> parade: http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5NP0D15GUE.html > >Thanks, that's very interesting! However, IMHO anyone that opens the >admin web server to the WAN has rocks in their head to begin with. > >The first thing I did was ensure that remote admin was disabled. > >Steve They will first have to get through dd-wrt here, and its set so that only a local connection can even get a login out of it, nothing from the web is allowed. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. * TwingyAFK is shopping for 17" flat panel * aav sells TwingyAFK a piece of plywood From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jul 13 22:07:42 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:07:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200907132207.42668.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 13 July 2009, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote: >> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Aaron Wolfe wrote: >>>>> Actually, even the OEM firmware on a Linksys WRT54 is effective at >>>>> keeping >>>>> out intruders. I've never heard of one of these units being >>>>> compromised in the wild. >>> >>> Rain ----> parade: >>> http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5NP0D15GUE.html >> >> Thanks, that's very interesting! However, IMHO anyone that opens the >> admin web server to the WAN has rocks in their head to begin with. >> >> The first thing I did was ensure that remote admin was disabled. > >Very true. Admin interface open to the public is just begging to be >exploited. Of course the internal side can be troublesome too. There >are two wtr54g's that broadcast into my house well enough to use their >connection. I am tempted to try the exploits mentioned in that >announcement, but in truth it would be unnecessary since both are >using the default SSID, no encryption, and the default login/password. > I suspect thats by far the most common configuration :) > All too true I fear. Those that is shipping to dsl people are a bit tighter than that now. I had a hell of a time getting into the one next door so I could setup a NAT & forward, and vz didn't want to tell me that, said I wasn't the user and I could go pound sand. So I started a guessing game and hit it on about the 30th try. Needless to say I changed it all to much longer usernames and passwords & had the neighbors write it down for the next time I needed to do that. Because of those difficulties, I suspect that less than 1% of them are ever customized by the service subscriber. The last time I had to call vz over my connection, the help desk jockey was very insistent he could, using something like pcanywhere, log in to see if I was doing it right, despite my statement that this box wasn't running windows in any version. He said "Its a pc isn't it" so I told him to go right ahead, I'd go get a cuppa while he tried. When I got back with the cuppa, he said I wasn't there at that address & I was like "what was it I was telling you?, now speak to me as a tech, and if you can't do that, escalate the ticket". We went through that 2 more times before I got somebody who knew what a ping or traceroute was. Then they had to send a tech out and reset the router in Clarksburg. It had forgotten me and my email password, only for email. Ya buy these kids books, and send them to college for 4 years, and they think they know it all when they get a min wage job in a helpdesk monkey cage. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. I want EARS! I want two ROUND BLACK EARS to make me feel warm 'n secure!! From operator at coco3.com Mon Jul 13 23:13:49 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090713221015.057ce920@coco3.com> Hello all, Due to "the bot battle", I've disabled new member signups from coco3.com. New members have to contact me and ask to join the site for now until I integrate in the bot-proof security. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From cyberpunk at prtc.net Mon Jul 13 23:25:06 2009 From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:25:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090713221015.057ce920@coco3.com> Message-ID: Wow it really sux that it has come to that, hope you get that Bot proof security up soon... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Taylor" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums > Hello all, > > Due to "the bot battle", I've disabled new member signups from coco3.com. > New members have to contact me and ask to join the site for now until I > integrate in the bot-proof security. > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From badfrog at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 02:03:31 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:03:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Forums In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090713221015.057ce920@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090713221015.057ce920@coco3.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0907132303j267acb60h26fa3abceb690fca@mail.gmail.com> My latest random theory is that it's the short domain name... I bet if it was "supercolorcomputerforums.com" there would be much less bot activity. :) Kinda makes sense, in the sense of if a spammer really knew the volume of the forum traffic, they wouldn't be wasting their time. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Hello all, > > Due to "the bot battle", I've disabled new member signups from coco3.com. > ?New members have to contact me and ask to join the site for now until I > integrate in the bot-proof security. > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Tue Jul 14 08:20:08 2009 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:20:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Disk Cable Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818417@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> Could someone with a working physical CoCo set up with drives please measure the length of the ribbon cable that runs from the controller to the end drive? I do not have the original cable, or I would do it myself. Thanks a lot, --Rich From brucewcalkins at charter.net Tue Jul 14 08:29:34 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:29:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Disk Cable Length References: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818417@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <0D9DACA69AEB4F9B80C64E8D46208D21@speedy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ries, Rich (NY80)" > Could someone with a working physical CoCo set up with drives please > measure the length of the ribbon cable that runs from the controller to > the end drive? I do not have the original cable, or I would do it > myself. > > Thanks a lot, > --Rich =============================================== I don't have a cable handy ATM to measure, but as I recall they were around 2 to 2 and a half feet long. I have run an almost 6 foot cable with out any problems. Bruce W. From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 14 08:28:21 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Disk Cable Length In-Reply-To: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818417@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <671304209.761881247574501294.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Rich, >From our web site under hardware, cables and adapters. Floppy Cable * 48" length, grey in color * 34-conductor flat ribbon cable with 34 pin card edge connectors on both ends, 4"Center to Center. * Additional 34 pin card edge connector for second drive Note that this cable is longer than the stock version. If you want an exact replacement, I am not in front of one ATM. If you add a second drive, make sure the drives are terminated properly. Regards, Mark http://www.cloud9tech.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Ries (NY80)" To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:20:08 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Coco] Disk Cable Length Could someone with a working physical CoCo set up with drives please measure the length of the ribbon cable that runs from the controller to the end drive? I do not have the original cable, or I would do it myself. Thanks a lot, --Rich -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Tue Jul 14 10:11:23 2009 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:11:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Disk Cable Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F0381841A@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> Bruce & Mark -- Thanks a lot! Now if only the boss would let me go home to apply this knowledge! ;) --Rich -----Original Message----- From: "Bruce W. Calkins" Subject: Re: [Coco] Disk Cable Length I don't have a cable handy ATM to measure, but as I recall they were around 2 to 2 and a half feet long. I have run an almost 6 foot cable with out any problems. Bruce W. From: Mark Marlette Subject: Re: [Coco] Disk Cable Length Rich, >From our web site under hardware, cables and adapters. Floppy Cable * 48" length, grey in color * 34-conductor flat ribbon cable with 34 pin card edge connectors on both ends, 4"Center to Center. * Additional 34 pin card edge connector for second drive Note that this cable is longer than the stock version. If you want an exact replacement, I am not in front of one ATM. If you add a second drive, make sure the drives are terminated properly. Regards, Mark http://www.cloud9tech.com From brucewcalkins at charter.net Tue Jul 14 10:37:46 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Disk Cable Length References: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F0381841A@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <789939E3CC0E4EBE979A6E88F00482BC@speedy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ries, Rich (NY80)" > Bruce & Mark -- Thanks a lot! Now if only the boss would let me go home > to apply this knowledge! ;) > > --Rich ==================================== Work is a four letter word. ;) OTOH; I'm looking. I need to find a job before the dust starts to collect on my new associate's degree in electrical engineering. Bruce W. From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Tue Jul 14 10:42:57 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:42:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907131332.17650.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4A5B6166.7010809@sbcglobal.net> <200907131332.17650.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907141042.57887.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Hi Gene, What is the ".ar" extension? I tired to use Ark to extract COCOKA9Q and it didn't know what to do with it. TIA Also I loaded rar into the system and it did not jump on it either. Richard From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Tue Jul 14 10:49:33 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:49:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907132207.42668.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907132207.42668.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907141049.33564.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> > Ya buy these kids books, and send them to college for 4 years, and they > think they know it all when they get a min wage job in a helpdesk monkey > cage. Shhhhhh.... That's what I do... don't let my students know what they do not know 8-) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jul 14 10:52:05 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:52:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Disk Cable Length In-Reply-To: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818417@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818417@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <200907141052.05152.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 14 July 2009, Ries, Rich (NY80) wrote: >Could someone with a working physical CoCo set up with drives please >measure the length of the ribbon cable that runs from the controller to >the end drive? I do not have the original cable, or I would do it >myself. > >Thanks a lot, >--Rich If the drives are properly terminated, its almost immaterial. I bought a 10 foot spool of 34 wire flat cable in 1987 when I was setting up my coco3 system, and I put the controller connector on one end of it, and 3 drive connectors at 6" intervals on the other end of it, making sure drive 0 was terminated AND it was on the last, end connector. Haven't had a burp in 22 years. The last connector gets moved from a 5.25" to a 3.5" and back occasionally, it seems that all 3.5" drives must be terminated well enough to work most of the time too. ISTR reading someplace that the cable could be up to 39 meters long but can't name the src of that info. But all cables need terminated to control the unwanted ringing on signal edges. Floppies, using ttl level interfacing, with term pullups are considerably more immune to that as the noise margins are twice as high as they are for a scsi setup. The diff is that pullups on a floppy are to the 5 volt line, whereas for scsi its 3 volts. But scsi has a protection diode to prevent cross-coupling the 5 volt lines in case the drive enclosure has its own 5 volt supply, and that diodes drop means the logic one voltage on a scsi cable is around 2.65 volts. That is only 2 or 3 hundred millivolts of noise margin above the ttl specs of 2.4 volts, whereas the floppy has over 2.5 volts of noise margin. That makes it very forgiving of impedance miss-matches since the impedance of this type cable is nominally 120 ohms, and scsi systems MUST be terminated very accurately. That explains why we often wind up sacrificing virgins to make scsi work... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Hi! I'm Larry. This is my brother Bob, and this is my other brother Jimbo. We thought you might like to know the names of your assailants. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jul 14 10:56:18 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:56:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907141042.57887.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200907131332.17650.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907141042.57887.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <200907141056.18574.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 14 July 2009, richec wrote: >Hi Gene, > >What is the ".ar" extension? I tired to use Ark to extract COCOKA9Q and it >didn't know what to do with it. TIA > That is the name of the compressor that was used for smunching files back in those days. There are, or were, versions for ar-1.2 and ar-1.3 & maybe ar-1.5 on rtsi. If not, I think I can probably find a copy and put it in the nitros9 tree of my web page. >Also I loaded rar into the system and it did not jump on it either. All of those are geared for more efficient, but more cpu intensive methods. > >Richard > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Try to remove the color-problem by restarting your computer several times. -- Microsoft-Internet Explorer README.TXT From brucewcalkins at charter.net Tue Jul 14 10:58:47 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:58:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? References: <200907132207.42668.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907141049.33564.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "richec" > > >> Ya buy these kids books, and send them to college for 4 years, and they >> think they know it all when they get a min wage job in a helpdesk monkey >> cage. > > Shhhhhh.... That's what I do... don't let my students know what they do > not > know 8-) > ==================================================== What I found in my three years getting my two year degree was that everything I learned simply opened up more fields of study. That probably relates to the PHD definition as being where you know more and more about less and less until finally you know everything about nothing. Bruce W. From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Tue Jul 14 11:01:14 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:01:14 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo3.com Forums spam problems In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090713221015.057ce920@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090713221015.057ce920@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4A5C9DBA.4060807@bjork-huffman.net> Roger, They still use humans to sign up for the forums and then use both humans and bots to do spam. So, any auto-approve system just does not work these days. My code for my client sites use an approval system that a real person must look over the new user's info before an account is made active. This stop most spamers because the information they sign in with always full of holes. Roger Taylor wrote: > Hello all, > > Due to "the bot battle", I've disabled new member signups from > coco3.com. New members have to contact me and ask to join the site > for now until I integrate in the bot-proof security. > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jul 14 15:03:14 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:03:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907141049.33564.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200907132207.42668.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907141049.33564.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <200907141503.14267.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 14 July 2009, richec wrote: > > >> Ya buy these kids books, and send them to college for 4 years, and they >> think they know it all when they get a min wage job in a helpdesk monkey >> cage. > >Shhhhhh.... That's what I do... don't let my students know what they do not >know 8-) > Chuckle, but how many of them are subscribed to a mailing list for a 28 year old computer? I think I'm pretty safe. And you, I've seen on this list clear back in the Princeton days I believe. Someone could make a similar remark about what I've done over the last 60 years, and you would be right. But some of those ex employers _still_ think I can walk on water. Who am I to correct them? It sure makes me feel good though. :) It still brings a grin to my face 32 years later when the arthritis is yelling at me from every joint, to recall a paramed who was giving me a physical in '77 to see if I was worth a $50k life policy I'd asked for to go with the office door that (for the first time) said "Chief Engineer", and when I thought he was about done, asked me to take off my shoes. I said "What's my flat feet got to do with this?" He replied "Nothing, but I've been told you could walk on water and I wanted to see if your feet were webbed." I got a good belly laugh out of that, said "Some folks are easily impressed." & then showed him that they aren't of course. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. It's amazing how much better you feel once you've given up hope. From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 14 18:30:37 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:30:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net><4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net><4F4513FE-B828-426C-B3A7-7D46FCD2A394@nationsdial.com><7664B7A9-3253-418F-9055-F70BCF94CEE1@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: <870600729EF7408BBBA26A18D6117C3B@Dell3Gig> I downloaded Pagemaker 7 from Adobes website. It said it didn't recognize the PM4 files. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Paul Fitch > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:19 PM > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > Nope, those two didn't make it. There are 18 pagemaker files > inthere and only 16 pdf files. I'll have to bring them to > the office and get my admin to convert them for me. Thanks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dean Leiber > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:06 PM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > > > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Paul Fitch wrote: > > > > > You are right, they are on Malted, BUT they have an > > extension of .PM4. > > > Others have .PM5 and still others are PDFs. I downloaded > > all of the > > > PDFs, but ignored the PM4 and PM5 files. Anyone know what > > saoftware > > > reads these? > > > > > > > Those are pagemaker files. There *should be* two different > sets of 68 > > micro on maltedmedia. One set is rendered from the Pagemaker files, > > and should be much smaller. I scanned in the set I have and > made PDFs, > > which will be larger. Perhaps the scanned ones aren't on > there, but I > > did them so long ago I was sure that they made it on to maltedmedia. > > > > > > Dean > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 14 18:33:44 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Disk Cable Length - OT In-Reply-To: <789939E3CC0E4EBE979A6E88F00482BC@speedy> References: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F0381841A@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> <789939E3CC0E4EBE979A6E88F00482BC@speedy> Message-ID: I was recently told that NAVFAC was always looking to hire engineers. Also, just because you have an EE degree, doesn't mean you have to work in the electrical field. I fell into the Environmental field 15 years ago with my EE degree and have never looked back. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:38 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Disk Cable Length > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ries, Rich (NY80)" > > > > Bruce & Mark -- Thanks a lot! Now if only the boss would > let me go home > > to apply this knowledge! ;) > > > > --Rich > > ==================================== > > > > Work is a four letter word. ;) > > > > OTOH; I'm looking. I need to find a job before the dust > starts to collect > on my new associate's degree in electrical engineering. > > > > Bruce W. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From t.fadden at cox.net Sun Jul 12 17:54:00 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907121747.52774.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907121747.52774.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A5A5B78.3020503@cox.net> TCPSER is linux. I did a google looking for it, and many linux flavored hits for it. There is s similar program called BBSserver.exe. There are some commodore bbs's running this on the net. Tim Fadden Gene Heskett wrote: ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:ColorComputer-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:ColorComputer-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ColorComputer-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From swancity at internode.on.net Sun Jul 12 19:45:47 2009 From: swancity at internode.on.net (Gerry van den Berk) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:45:47 +0800 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? References: Message-ID: <01db01ca034a$e1764c10$6401a8c0@nonee919662542> Charles Shrader wrote: > I know of a utility called TCPSER: I've used BBSserver (by Leif Bloomquist, a Commodore 8 bit identity) with my MC-10 and Compac and it works. I found it easier to configure then TCPSER because it has a nice GUI. From charles.shrader at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 18:16:15 2009 From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:16:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907121747.52774.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sunday 12 July 2009, Charles Shrader wrote: >>I know of a utility called TCPSER: > I assume that is a winderz program? There is a version for Windows and it appears that there's a version for Ubuntu as well; there may be more platforms supported. There's also a Java version - tcpserj. That may open up even more platforms for potential use of this utility... Chuck From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 20:32:37 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? Message-ID: <218515.92483.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Can You lend me a copy of TCPSER From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 20:34:57 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? Message-ID: <839011.35029.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thankyou all! What device number is the serial port? 1 or 2? From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 14 22:13:56 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:13:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: <4F4513FE-B828-426C-B3A7-7D46FCD2A394@nationsdial.com> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com> <12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <4A4F7653.7010106@cox.net> <4A4F89E1.5010806@cox.net> <4A50B816.4040100@swbell.net><4A521ADA.7010409@sbcglobal.net> <4F4513FE-B828-426C-B3A7-7D46FCD2A394@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: <36DE33C20EF94D03B30403C3713CE76E@Dell3Gig> Dean, could I get the following Vols from you: Vol 2, Nos 4 & 5 Vol 3, Nos 2 & 3 Vol 3, Nos 2 & 3 appear to have been converted to PDF without the text to many of the articles. Lots of blank pages. The 68mMar96.pdf file is actually the January 1996 issue. It may be that your copies are currupt too, if you are the person who originally put them on Malted. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dean Leiber > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:46 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > > On Jul 12, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Paul Fitch wrote: > > > I've been putting in the World of 68 Micros (Great Magazine > Frank, you > > did > > good work), but I am missing the PDFs of issues 4 & 5 of Vol 2. > > Anyone have > > those scanned? > > > > I believe that they should be up on maltedmedia somewhere. I have > them scanned here for the archive project and I *think* they made it > on to maltedmedia a while ago. > > > Dean > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jul 14 22:34:56 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:34:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <4A5A5B78.3020503@cox.net> References: <200907121747.52774.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5A5B78.3020503@cox.net> Message-ID: <200907142234.57032.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: >TCPSER is linux. I did a google looking for it, and many linux flavored >hits for it. There is s similar program called BBSserver.exe. There are >some commodore bbs's running this on the net. > >Tim Fadden Apparently not in the fedora 10 repos. Darn, I'll have to build the tarball. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. over in west Philadelphia a puppy is vomiting ... ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:ColorComputer-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:ColorComputer-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ColorComputer-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From chargeron at cox.net Wed Jul 15 00:24:34 2009 From: chargeron at cox.net (chargeron) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? References: <218515.92483.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <155BE63391074DBA9AA92ED262F9ED19@HP> Does anyone want Sterm 2,0? it is 512k (size) unzipped zipped its 292kb its a windows app Ron Delvaux ----- Original Message ----- From: KB To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [Color Computer] Telnet program? Can You lend me a copy of TCPSER From ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Wed Jul 15 00:32:05 2009 From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com (ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com) Date: 15 Jul 2009 04:32:05 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] New file uploaded to ColorComputer Message-ID: <1247632325.1247.17847.w9@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ColorComputer group. File : /STerm20.zip Uploaded by : roadrunner_ron Description : Sterm 2.0 serial port on a pc for the coco - telnet You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/files/STerm20.zip To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles Regards, roadrunner_ron From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 15 01:08:13 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907121715.31262.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907121235.32934.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5A19C6.8060606@embarqmail.com> <200907121715.31262.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A5D643D.2060904@sbcglobal.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 July 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> Tim Kientzle >> >>>> (formerly Tim Koonce) does show up in a web search with some pretty >> Has anyone looked on Glensides membership rosster? > > I don't think I have access, I haven't rx'd the newsletter in a couple of > years or maybe 3. > The Glenside web page at http://glensideccc.com/ is open to everyone. Look under the coco3 for the membership list. No I didn't see Tim's name. Brian Goers Vice President of Special events. From petrander at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 06:46:59 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:46:59 +0200 Subject: [Coco] country blocked In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712192246.0493a580@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712192246.0493a580@coco3.com> Message-ID: I doubt there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. There are only a few of us in Western Europe even, so I think you can block Russia without much worries. Cheers, Fedor 2009/7/13 Roger Taylor > If someone among us lives in Russia, could they please try to access > coco3.com to see if it blocks you? I've been blasted by Russian attacks > all day long and while I work on a better human-signup process, I've had to > block the entire country of Russia. No offense to any one person or the > country itself, but I see no other way right now to drastically reduce the > chances of porn or spam being flooded into the forums while I'm asleep or at > work. > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cyberpunk at prtc.net Wed Jul 15 07:07:59 2009 From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:07:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] country blocked References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712192246.0493a580@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4E4418A905474898BC20F24BD2B48B16@FANTASYWARE> Why would the Russians be interested in trying to shut down a website about an obsolete 8 bit system like the CoCo? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] country blocked >I doubt there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. There are only a few of us in > Western Europe even, so I think you can block Russia without much worries. > > Cheers, > Fedor > > 2009/7/13 Roger Taylor > >> If someone among us lives in Russia, could they please try to access >> coco3.com to see if it blocks you? I've been blasted by Russian attacks >> all day long and while I work on a better human-signup process, I've had >> to >> block the entire country of Russia. No offense to any one person or the >> country itself, but I see no other way right now to drastically reduce >> the >> chances of porn or spam being flooded into the forums while I'm asleep or >> at >> work. >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor >> >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From snhirsch at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 07:37:17 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SCSI tape driver for OS-9? Message-ID: Just curious if anyone has seen a tape driver for OS-9 or any tar-like applications for backup? I have a Cloud-9 SCSI cartridge and would love to use one of my older streaming tape drives for backup. -- From boisy at tee-boy.com Wed Jul 15 07:53:48 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:53:48 -0500 Subject: [Coco] SCSI tape driver for OS-9? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C3FFE23-E5BE-4142-AC5D-76F17DA97FCE@tee-boy.com> Steven, With the specification for the SCSI command set in hand for your particular tape drive, it would be relatively easy to write a driver, but a file manager would be necessary to logically process the data and provide a common interface for tape-style drivers. While years back such an endeavor would have been worthwhile, the proliferation of data storage options for the CoCo today obfuscates the need for supporting tape backup solutions, as I'm sure you're well aware. You just want to see that old tape drive take orders from your CoCo :) Years ago when I worked for Microware, I ran across a version of tar, as well as SBF (Sequential Block File manager) for OS-9/6809, a component that would be necessary for processing sequential tape data under OS-9, but that's the closest I have seen a 6809 system come to actually having the software components for a tape backup system, let alone the hardware. Boisy On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote: > Just curious if anyone has seen a tape driver for OS-9 or any tar- > like applications for backup? I have a Cloud-9 SCSI cartridge and > would love to use one of my older streaming tape drives for backup. > > > -- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 15 09:24:25 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:24:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <4A5D643D.2060904@sbcglobal.net> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907121715.31262.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5D643D.2060904@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200907150924.25290.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Brian Goers wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: >>> Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Tim Kientzle >>> >>>>> (formerly Tim Koonce) does show up in a web search with some pretty >>> >>> Has anyone looked on Glensides membership rosster? >> >> I don't think I have access, I haven't rx'd the newsletter in a couple of >> years or maybe 3. > >The Glenside web page at http://glensideccc.com/ is open to everyone. >Look under the coco3 for the membership list. >No I didn't see Tim's name. Thanks Brian. Neither do I, so I think its safe to say he isn't. :) What does the number or character string after the name & before the city indicate? >Brian Goers >Vice President of Special events. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Culus: Building a five-meter-high replica of the Empire State Building with paperclips is impressive. Doing it blindfolded is eleet. From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 15 09:33:24 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:33:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Glenside CCC In-Reply-To: <200907150924.25290.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><200907121715.31262.gene.heskett@verizon.net><4A5D643D.2060904@sbcglobal.net> <200907150924.25290.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4ACDDF34E3B24084BFA56CB253251DAC@Dell3Gig> How do I join the club? Its not real clear on the webpage. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:24 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? > > On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Brian Goers wrote: > >Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: > >>> Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> Tim Kientzle > >>> > >>>>> (formerly Tim Koonce) does show up in a web search with some > >>>>> pretty > >>> > >>> Has anyone looked on Glensides membership rosster? > >> > >> I don't think I have access, I haven't rx'd the newsletter in a > >> couple of years or maybe 3. > > > >The Glenside web page at http://glensideccc.com/ is open to everyone. > >Look under the coco3 for the membership list. > >No I didn't see Tim's name. > > Thanks Brian. > > Neither do I, so I think its safe to say he isn't. :) What > does the number or character string after the name & before > the city indicate? > > >Brian Goers > >Vice President of Special events. > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who > wants them. > > > Culus: Building a five-meter-high replica of the Empire State > Building with paperclips is impressive. Doing it > blindfolded is > eleet. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 15 09:37:12 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:37:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SCSI tape driver for OS-9? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200907150937.13076.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >Just curious if anyone has seen a tape driver for OS-9 or any tar-like >applications for backup? I have a Cloud-9 SCSI cartridge and would love >to use one of my older streaming tape drives for backup. It would have to be a really old slow drive, else the coco's streaming speed would likely 'shoe-shine' the drive to death in short order. Even at the optimum interleave on the floppy for bru, it still took around 9 minutes to write a 765k floppy with bru. But the killer was the 33 minutes it took to restore from that same floppy. Multiply that by the approximately 90 such disks it took to backup what was on the old Maxtor 120 megger, and you can see why I only did that once. At one point years ago, I had a pair of 10 meg hd's on my office machine at the tv station, and I used a cron driven copy of 'cp' to make one drive a mirror of the other for backup purposes since there was the src's for a couple of proggies I wrote that were used many times a day at WDTV, the loss of which would have put a serious crimp in things until I had re-invented those wheels again. I had it set to fire off at night, but one of the drives got to squealing and janitorial was concerned. A bit of lube on the spindle grounding spring would stop it for a week maybe so I eventually stopped it, just making sure I had backups of that stuff on a few floppies. I still have the whole setup in the basement now. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Worst Month of 1981 for Downhill Skiing: August. The lift lines are the shortest, though. -- Steve Rubenstein From farna at att.net Wed Jul 15 10:47:05 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:47:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues Message-ID: <4A5DEBE9.5020502@att.net> I uploaded an entire CD where I had saved some of the issues. V3 nos. 2&3 were probably incomplete working copies that were on the CD, not sure now. Obviously I mis-named that one file! Glenside has the original discs and master copies, or had them. I donated to them when I quit printing, with permission to reprint as much as they wanted. I don't think they ever did anything, and they didn't mind that I put them up on the web. If Glenside does still have them they would be on 3.5" floppies in PM4 format. The last few were PM5, but I believe those are on Malted Media... may not be though. I retain the copyright on the magazines, but anyone has my permission to archive as many copies as they can find, and make them freely available, as long as they are not modified. The only charges can be a reasonable copy and shipping/handling fee if put on CDs instead of downloaded. Must be free to download. --------- Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:13:56 -0400 From: "Paul Fitch" Vol 3, Nos 2 & 3 appear to have been converted to PDF without the text to many of the articles. Lots of blank pages. The 68mMar96.pdf file is actually the January 1996 issue. It may be that your copies are currupt too, if you are the person who originally put them on Malted. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From linville at tuxdriver.com Wed Jul 15 10:41:26 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907142234.57032.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907121747.52774.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5A5B78.3020503@cox.net> <200907142234.57032.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090715144125.GA3590@tuxdriver.com> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:34:56PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 July 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: > >TCPSER is linux. I did a google looking for it, and many linux flavored > >hits for it. There is s similar program called BBSserver.exe. There are > >some commodore bbs's running this on the net. > > > >Tim Fadden > > Apparently not in the fedora 10 repos. Darn, I'll have to build the tarball. > :) Probably not that much call for it...perhaps you should package it? :-) John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. ?Viva Honduras Libre! From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 15 11:54:53 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:54:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <20090715144125.GA3590@tuxdriver.com> References: <200907142234.57032.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090715144125.GA3590@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <200907151154.53505.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, John W. Linville wrote: >On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:34:56PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: >> >TCPSER is linux. I did a google looking for it, and many linux flavored >> >hits for it. There is s similar program called BBSserver.exe. There are >> >some commodore bbs's running this on the net. >> > >> >Tim Fadden >> >> Apparently not in the fedora 10 repos. Darn, I'll have to build the >> tarball. >> >> :) > >Probably not that much call for it...perhaps you should package it? :-) > >John Got it, made it, not installed by the make that I could see. Needs docs/man pages badly, the README is very sparse. And this machines only real serial port is busy, with a cable to the real coco3, so that part s/b already to go. But with mother nature getting upset, I bought one of Rogers bluetooth carts and have that setup so I can login to the coco from here without the long cable to pickup surges. Now the question is, can I shut down the minicom session I usually access the coco with, run this, and using the BT circuit, use supercomm or vt-220 to actually get the coco online? That would be neat. Humm, how about an os9 version of linx, the text web browser? Darn, there I go letting my mind wander & its too little to be let out alone. Hey, better yet, since that would only be useful to me, could one link a web page to it so folks could run their own session of minicom into it from a link on my web page? That might be more useful for others. ;) OTOH, whats new on my coco also exists in the nitros9 link now. Hummmm... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. I will never lie to you. From linville at tuxdriver.com Wed Jul 15 10:41:26 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907142234.57032.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907121747.52774.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5A5B78.3020503@cox.net> <200907142234.57032.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090715144125.GA3590@tuxdriver.com> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:34:56PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 July 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: > >TCPSER is linux. I did a google looking for it, and many linux flavored > >hits for it. There is s similar program called BBSserver.exe. There are > >some commodore bbs's running this on the net. > > > >Tim Fadden > > Apparently not in the fedora 10 repos. Darn, I'll have to build the tarball. > :) Probably not that much call for it...perhaps you should package it? :-) John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. ?Viva Honduras Libre! From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 15 12:08:03 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:08:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: <4A5DEBE9.5020502@att.net> References: <4A5DEBE9.5020502@att.net> Message-ID: <3DEDF333143B44AE9FA3F944A3CAB620@Dell3Gig> Thanks Frank. What I'm doing is populating the database with all the Coco related articles from all the magazines/newsletters/publications I can get my hands on. I'm hoping some other people have the munged up copies. If for no other reason than to make them available on Malted Media. When the data base is done, it will go on Malted Media as well. At that point, finding that one article or tutorial series you remember from 20-30 years ago will get a bit easier. I'm not planning any reprinting or article modifications at all. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:47 AM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > I uploaded an entire CD where I had saved some of the issues. > V3 nos. 2&3 were probably incomplete working copies that were > on the CD, not sure now. Obviously I mis-named that one file! > Glenside has the original discs and master copies, or had > them. I donated to them when I quit printing, with permission > to reprint as much as they wanted. I don't think they ever > did anything, and they didn't mind that I put them up on the > web. If Glenside does still have them they would be on 3.5" > floppies in PM4 format. The last few were PM5, but I believe > those are on Malted Media... may not be though. > > I retain the copyright on the magazines, but anyone has my > permission to archive as many copies as they can find, and > make them freely available, as long as they are not modified. > The only charges can be a reasonable copy and > shipping/handling fee if put on CDs instead of downloaded. > Must be free to download. > > --------- > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:13:56 -0400 > From: "Paul Fitch" > > Vol 3, Nos 2 & 3 appear to have been converted to PDF without > the text to many of the articles. Lots of blank pages. > > The 68mMar96.pdf file is actually the January 1996 issue. > > It may be that your copies are currupt too, if you are the > person who originally put them on Malted. > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tjseagrove at writeme.com Wed Jul 15 14:19:42 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:19:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: <3DEDF333143B44AE9FA3F944A3CAB620@Dell3Gig> References: <4A5DEBE9.5020502@att.net> <3DEDF333143B44AE9FA3F944A3CAB620@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <004001ca0578$d3613ce0$7a23b6a0$@com> I put all 4 copies of The Gamers Connection up on Maltedmedia. Make sure you get those as well. :) Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Paul Fitch Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:08 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues Thanks Frank. What I'm doing is populating the database with all the Coco related articles from all the magazines/newsletters/publications I can get my hands on. I'm hoping some other people have the munged up copies. If for no other reason than to make them available on Malted Media. When the data base is done, it will go on Malted Media as well. At that point, finding that one article or tutorial series you remember from 20-30 years ago will get a bit easier. I'm not planning any reprinting or article modifications at all. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:47 AM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > I uploaded an entire CD where I had saved some of the issues. > V3 nos. 2&3 were probably incomplete working copies that were > on the CD, not sure now. Obviously I mis-named that one file! > Glenside has the original discs and master copies, or had > them. I donated to them when I quit printing, with permission > to reprint as much as they wanted. I don't think they ever > did anything, and they didn't mind that I put them up on the > web. If Glenside does still have them they would be on 3.5" > floppies in PM4 format. The last few were PM5, but I believe > those are on Malted Media... may not be though. > > I retain the copyright on the magazines, but anyone has my > permission to archive as many copies as they can find, and > make them freely available, as long as they are not modified. > The only charges can be a reasonable copy and > shipping/handling fee if put on CDs instead of downloaded. > Must be free to download. > > --------- > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:13:56 -0400 > From: "Paul Fitch" > > Vol 3, Nos 2 & 3 appear to have been converted to PDF without > the text to many of the articles. Lots of blank pages. > > The 68mMar96.pdf file is actually the January 1996 issue. > > It may be that your copies are currupt too, if you are the > person who originally put them on Malted. > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.14/2238 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 15 14:23:30 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues In-Reply-To: <004001ca0578$d3613ce0$7a23b6a0$@com> References: <4A5DEBE9.5020502@att.net><3DEDF333143B44AE9FA3F944A3CAB620@Dell3Gig> <004001ca0578$d3613ce0$7a23b6a0$@com> Message-ID: <4266996932144EA4A22D50760D91674B@Dell3Gig> I have the issues from Malted, but haven't gotten to them yet. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tom Seagrove > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:20 PM > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > I put all 4 copies of The Gamers Connection up on > Maltedmedia. Make sure you get those as well. :) > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Paul Fitch > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:08 PM > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > Thanks Frank. What I'm doing is populating the database with > all the Coco related articles from all the > magazines/newsletters/publications I can get my hands on. > I'm hoping some other people have the munged up copies. If > for no other reason than to make them available on Malted > Media. When the data base is done, it will go on Malted > Media as well. At that point, finding that one article or > tutorial series you remember from 20-30 years ago will get a > bit easier. > > I'm not planning any reprinting or article modifications at all. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:47 AM > > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes - missing issues > > > > I uploaded an entire CD where I had saved some of the issues. > > V3 nos. 2&3 were probably incomplete working copies that > were on the > > CD, not sure now. Obviously I mis-named that one file! > > Glenside has the original discs and master copies, or had them. I > > donated to them when I quit printing, with permission to reprint as > > much as they wanted. I don't think they ever did anything, and they > > didn't mind that I put them up on the web. If Glenside does > still have > > them they would be on 3.5" > > floppies in PM4 format. The last few were PM5, but I > believe those are > > on Malted Media... may not be though. > > > > I retain the copyright on the magazines, but anyone has my > permission > > to archive as many copies as they can find, and make them freely > > available, as long as they are not modified. > > The only charges can be a reasonable copy and > shipping/handling fee if > > put on CDs instead of downloaded. > > Must be free to download. > > > > --------- > > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:13:56 -0400 > > From: "Paul Fitch" > > > > Vol 3, Nos 2 & 3 appear to have been converted to PDF > without the text > > to many of the articles. Lots of blank pages. > > > > The 68mMar96.pdf file is actually the January 1996 issue. > > > > It may be that your copies are currupt too, if you are the > person who > > originally put them on Malted. > > > > -- > > Frank Swygert > > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > > Magazine (AMC) > > For all AMC enthusiasts > > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > > (free download available!) > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.14/2238 - Release > Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 15 15:47:59 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:47:59 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907150924.25290.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <562423.64392.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200907121715.31262.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5D643D.2060904@sbcglobal.net> <200907150924.25290.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A5E326F.2050902@sbcglobal.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Brian Goers wrote: >> Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: >>>> Gene Heskett wrote: >>>> Tim Kientzle >>>> >>>>>> (formerly Tim Koonce) does show up in a web search with some pretty >>>> Has anyone looked on Glensides membership rosster? >>> I don't think I have access, I haven't rx'd the newsletter in a couple of >>> years or maybe 3. >> The Glenside web page at http://glensideccc.com/ is open to everyone. >> Look under the coco3 for the membership list. >> No I didn't see Tim's name. > > Thanks Brian. > > Neither do I, so I think its safe to say he isn't. :) What does the number or > character string after the name & before the city indicate? > >> Brian Goers >> Vice President of Special events. > > That would be the date your membership is good up to. The secretary keeps names of everyone that has joined but marked as active or not.The mailing / e-mailing selects the active date to send to. Brian Goers From swancity at internode.on.net Wed Jul 15 03:27:19 2009 From: swancity at internode.on.net (Gerry van den Berk) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:27:19 +0800 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? References: Message-ID: <004d01ca051d$b04b8450$6401a8c0@nonee919662542> Charles Shrader wrote: >> On Sunday 12 July 2009, Charles Shrader wrote: >>>> I know of a utility called TCPSER: >>> I assume that is a winderz program? >> >> There is a version for Windows and it appears that there's a version >> for Ubuntu as well; there may be more platforms supported. There's >> also a Java version - tcpserj. That may open up even more platforms >> for potential use of this utility... >> http://www.jbrain.com/pub/linux/serial/ http://www.jbrain.com/pub/xplatform/serial/ Hope that helps. From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Wed Jul 15 17:43:46 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:43:46 -0600 Subject: [Coco] wierd kernel modules was Re: SCSI tape driver for OS-9? In-Reply-To: <9C3FFE23-E5BE-4142-AC5D-76F17DA97FCE@tee-boy.com> References: <9C3FFE23-E5BE-4142-AC5D-76F17DA97FCE@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <20090715214345.GA20681@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:53:48AM -0500, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > Years ago when I worked for Microware, I ran across a version of tar, > as well as SBF (Sequential Block File manager) for OS-9/6809, a I'd heard of SBF, but wasn't ever sure it actually existed. Did Microware have any other interesting kernel modules that never made it to the CoCo? One thing I've always been especially curious about, is if there was ever drivers for an IEEE-488 bus (probably based off the 68488 chip). I'd think that would almost be a requirement for OS-9's industrial/embedded customers. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Wed Jul 15 17:49:28 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:49:28 -0600 Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? Message-ID: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> OK, I know the X-Pad doesn't work at 2MHz. But does anybody know if running the CoCo at 2MHz is bad for the X-Pad while it's hooked up, but not actually being accessed? I was playing around with the X-Pad and some BASIC software that can use it. The program normally runs at double speed, but slows down when it uses the X-Pad. But after a while, the X-Pad started freaking out, sending bogus data. Resetting would help for a few minutes, but then it would crash again. It may have just been overheating (Socorro's LOWS have been in the 80's!) but now I'm worried I might have damaged my X-Pad. :-( Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 15 17:58:48 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:58:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? In-Reply-To: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <1F5CE174707544BEA17D07AD77C432C0@Dell3Gig> I've got a couple I'll prolly never use if you have. However, its my experience that peripherals like the X-pad don't accept data from the computer, they just send it. So whatever your problem is, I think it stops at the x-pad connector on the motherboard. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Willard Goosey > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:49 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? > > OK, I know the X-Pad doesn't work at 2MHz. > > But does anybody know if running the CoCo at 2MHz is bad for > the X-Pad while it's hooked up, but not actually being accessed? > > I was playing around with the X-Pad and some BASIC software > that can use it. The program normally runs at double speed, > but slows down when it uses the X-Pad. > > But after a while, the X-Pad started freaking out, sending > bogus data. Resetting would help for a few minutes, but then > it would crash again. > > It may have just been overheating (Socorro's LOWS have been in the > 80's!) but now I'm worried I might have damaged my X-Pad. :-( > > Willard > -- > Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. > -- R.E. Howard > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From snhirsch at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 18:22:55 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] SCSI tape driver for OS-9? In-Reply-To: <200907150937.13076.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907150937.13076.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >> Just curious if anyone has seen a tape driver for OS-9 or any tar-like >> applications for backup? I have a Cloud-9 SCSI cartridge and would love >> to use one of my older streaming tape drives for backup. > > It would have to be a really old slow drive, else the coco's streaming speed > would likely 'shoe-shine' the drive to death in short order. Even at the > optimum interleave on the floppy for bru, it still took around 9 minutes to > write a 765k floppy with bru. But the killer was the 33 minutes it took to > restore from that same floppy. Multiply that by the approximately 90 such > disks it took to backup what was on the old Maxtor 120 megger, and you can see > why I only did that once. Yes, I believe you have nailed that one. I keep forgetting how slow the throughput is on these old mu-chines :-). I probably should link in the DriveWire driver and just copy the hard disk over the wire. -- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 15 20:56:29 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:56:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? In-Reply-To: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <200907152056.29413.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Willard Goosey wrote: >OK, I know the X-Pad doesn't work at 2MHz. > >But does anybody know if running the CoCo at 2MHz is bad for the X-Pad >while it's hooked up, but not actually being accessed? > >I was playing around with the X-Pad and some BASIC software that can >use it. The program normally runs at double speed, but slows down >when it uses the X-Pad. > >But after a while, the X-Pad started freaking out, sending bogus >data. Resetting would help for a few minutes, but then it would crash >again. > >It may have just been overheating (Socorro's LOWS have been in the >80's!) but now I'm worried I might have damaged my X-Pad. :-( > >Willard This thing is gettin on toward applying for SS in electronics years & could have some ailments after 20 years. Open it up Willard, and see if any of the small electrolytic caps have either leaked, or the tops are slightly bulged up. Failing that, have somebody with a capacitance meter check and replace any that are down to half the label in capacitance. The ideal however isn't the capacitance, its the ESR, but the cap meter will catch 60% of them. For ESR, the gizmo is called a Capacitor Wizard, it gets them all. Or just replace them all, they aren't that expensive, buck or so apiece. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Remember the good old days, when CPU was singular? From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 15 20:57:52 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:57:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SCSI tape driver for OS-9? In-Reply-To: References: <200907150937.13076.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907152057.52174.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >>> Just curious if anyone has seen a tape driver for OS-9 or any tar-like >>> applications for backup? I have a Cloud-9 SCSI cartridge and would love >>> to use one of my older streaming tape drives for backup. >> >> It would have to be a really old slow drive, else the coco's streaming >> speed would likely 'shoe-shine' the drive to death in short order. Even >> at the optimum interleave on the floppy for bru, it still took around 9 >> minutes to write a 765k floppy with bru. But the killer was the 33 >> minutes it took to restore from that same floppy. Multiply that by the >> approximately 90 such disks it took to backup what was on the old Maxtor >> 120 megger, and you can see why I only did that once. > >Yes, I believe you have nailed that one. I keep forgetting how slow the >throughput is on these old mu-chines :-). > >I probably should link in the DriveWire driver and just copy the hard disk >over the wire. And I expect that would be faster if drivewire is setup to smoke. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Delta: We never make the same mistake three times. -- David Letterman From t.fadden at cox.net Wed Jul 15 21:06:48 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:06:48 -0700 Subject: [Coco] SCSI tape driver for OS-9? In-Reply-To: <200907152057.52174.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907150937.13076.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907152057.52174.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A5E7D28.8020504@cox.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: > >> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >>> >>>> Just curious if anyone has seen a tape driver for OS-9 or any tar-like >>>> applications for backup? I have a Cloud-9 SCSI cartridge and would love >>>> to use one of my older streaming tape drives for backup. >>>> >>> It would have to be a really old slow drive, else the coco's streaming >>> speed would likely 'shoe-shine' the drive to death in short order. Even >>> at the optimum interleave on the floppy for bru, it still took around 9 >>> minutes to write a 765k floppy with bru. But the killer was the 33 >>> minutes it took to restore from that same floppy. Multiply that by the >>> approximately 90 such disks it took to backup what was on the old Maxtor >>> 120 megger, and you can see why I only did that once. >>> >> Yes, I believe you have nailed that one. I keep forgetting how slow the >> throughput is on these old mu-chines :-). >> >> I probably should link in the DriveWire driver and just copy the hard disk >> over the wire. >> > > And I expect that would be faster if drivewire is setup to smoke. > > Took me about 6 hours for 70meg worth of data on a 105meg drive using dsave. Tim From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Jul 15 21:51:18 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:51:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SCSI tape driver for OS-9? In-Reply-To: <4A5E7D28.8020504@cox.net> References: <200907152057.52174.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A5E7D28.8020504@cox.net> Message-ID: <200907152151.18447.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >>>> On Wednesday 15 July 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >>>>> Just curious if anyone has seen a tape driver for OS-9 or any tar-like >>>>> applications for backup? I have a Cloud-9 SCSI cartridge and would >>>>> love to use one of my older streaming tape drives for backup. >>>> >>>> It would have to be a really old slow drive, else the coco's streaming >>>> speed would likely 'shoe-shine' the drive to death in short order. Even >>>> at the optimum interleave on the floppy for bru, it still took around 9 >>>> minutes to write a 765k floppy with bru. But the killer was the 33 >>>> minutes it took to restore from that same floppy. Multiply that by the >>>> approximately 90 such disks it took to backup what was on the old Maxtor >>>> 120 megger, and you can see why I only did that once. >>> >>> Yes, I believe you have nailed that one. I keep forgetting how slow the >>> throughput is on these old mu-chines :-). >>> >>> I probably should link in the DriveWire driver and just copy the hard >>> disk over the wire. >> >> And I expect that would be faster if drivewire is setup to smoke. > >Took me about 6 hours for 70meg worth of data on a 105meg drive using dsave. That is 11,666,666.6667bytes/hour or 194,444.444444 bytes/minute and 3,240.74074074 bytes/sec. It seems to me that drivewire ought to be faster when I can do a megaread in 13.5 secs on a stock coco, and in 11 secs on my 63C09 equipt home machine. Not counting housekeeping, which on a coco is considerable when its writing as opposed to reading, that means it should move around 5megs/minute. I don't think rbf.mn's housekeeping can account for the missing 4.8 megs/minute. OTOH, dsave isn't exactly a speed daemon either. I dunno, so I'll shaddup. :) One thing that will help, set the descriptors SAS (default 8) up to FF for the run, you'll get no fragmentation & won't waste rbf's time going back to the fat for 8 new sectors for every 2048 bytes written. That change alone can double the speed when writing cuz most files will be written in one chunk (one fd.seg entry in the fd sector) and rbf gives back the unused disk when the file is closed. Just my $0.02, adjust for inflation. :-) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. ... I want FORTY-TWO TRYNEL FLOATATION SYSTEMS installed within SIX AND A HALF HOURS!!! From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 05:51:26 2009 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:51:26 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked Message-ID: I don't think there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. Clones of the Sinclair Spectrum were popular there. I know that had clones of the 8080 and Z80 but don't think they had 6809. What there are in Russia is a lot of hackers, many of which do it for money. They probably didn't guess anyone's password, they probably used a dictionary attack on admin accounts. Everyone should make sure they use a password that combines at least letters (upper and lower case) and numbers. Avoid passwords that have ever been compromised on other sites as well since those get traded around once they get stolen. ----- Original Message ----- Why would the Russians be interested in trying to shut down a website about an obsolete 8 bit system like the CoCo? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] country blocked >I doubt there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. There are only a few of us in > Western Europe even, so I think you can block Russia without much worries. > > Cheers, > Fedor > > 2009/7/13 Roger Taylor > >> If someone among us lives in Russia, could they please try to access >> coco3.com to see if it blocks you? I've been blasted by Russian attacks >> all day long and while I work on a better human-signup process, I've had >> to >> block the entire country of Russia. No offense to any one person or the >> country itself, but I see no other way right now to drastically reduce >> the >> chances of porn or spam being flooded into the forums while I'm asleep or >> at >> work. >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor >> >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cyberpunk at prtc.net Thu Jul 16 10:24:25 2009 From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:24:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked References: Message-ID: <07A1D93883134A6096BBA574536249A5@FANTASYWARE> OK then who would be paying a Russian Hacker to try to shut a website like CoCo3.com? What on Earth for? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Diffendaffer" To: Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:51 AM Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked >I don't think there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. Clones of the Sinclair >Spectrum were popular there. I know that had clones of the 8080 and Z80 >but don't think they had 6809. > > What there are in Russia is a lot of hackers, many of which do it for > money. They probably didn't guess anyone's password, they probably used a > dictionary attack on admin accounts. Everyone should make sure they use a > password that combines at least letters (upper and lower case) and > numbers. Avoid passwords that have ever been compromised on other sites > as well since those get traded around once they get stolen. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Why would the Russians be interested in trying to shut down a website > about > an obsolete 8 bit system like the CoCo? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fedor Steeman" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] country blocked > > > >>I doubt there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. There are only a few of us in > >> Western Europe even, so I think you can block Russia without much >> worries. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Fedor > >> > >> 2009/7/13 Roger Taylor > >> > >>> If someone among us lives in Russia, could they please try to access > >>> coco3.com to see if it blocks you? I've been blasted by Russian attacks > >>> all day long and while I work on a better human-signup process, I've had > >>> to > >>> block the entire country of Russia. No offense to any one person or the > >>> country itself, but I see no other way right now to drastically reduce > >>> the > >>> chances of porn or spam being flooded into the forums while I'm asleep >>> or > >>> at > >>> work. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Roger Taylor > >>> > >>> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Coco mailing list > >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 12:23:36 2009 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:23:36 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: country blocked In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are you being serious? They get paid to spam. Some spam has recently been posted to CoCo3 and when the accounts were deleted the spammer decided to show who was boss. Now he's shut out and trying another method. For all we know he's just using compromised computers in Russia and isn't from Russia at all. Differences in laws may make it more difficult to track down who he is by using systems there. > ----- Original Message ----- >OK then who would be paying a Russian Hacker to try to shut a website like >CoCo3.com? What on Earth for? --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" wrote: > > I don't think there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. Clones of the Sinclair Spectrum were popular there. I know that had clones of the 8080 and Z80 but don't think they had 6809. > > What there are in Russia is a lot of hackers, many of which do it for money. They probably didn't guess anyone's password, they probably used a dictionary attack on admin accounts. Everyone should make sure they use a password that combines at least letters (upper and lower case) and numbers. Avoid passwords that have ever been compromised on other sites as well since those get traded around once they get stolen. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Why would the Russians be interested in trying to shut down a website about > an obsolete 8 bit system like the CoCo? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fedor Steeman" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] country blocked > > > > >I doubt there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. There are only a few of us in > > > Western Europe even, so I think you can block Russia without much worries. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Fedor > > > > > > 2009/7/13 Roger Taylor > > > > > >> If someone among us lives in Russia, could they please try to access > > >> coco3.com to see if it blocks you? I've been blasted by Russian attacks > > >> all day long and while I work on a better human-signup process, I've had > > >> to > > >> block the entire country of Russia. No offense to any one person or the > > >> country itself, but I see no other way right now to drastically reduce > > >> the > > >> chances of porn or spam being flooded into the forums while I'm asleep or > > >> at > > >> work. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Roger Taylor > > >> > > >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Coco mailing list > > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Jul 16 15:19:57 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:19:57 -0600 Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? In-Reply-To: <1F5CE174707544BEA17D07AD77C432C0@Dell3Gig> References: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> <1F5CE174707544BEA17D07AD77C432C0@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <20090716191957.GA30950@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 05:58:48PM -0400, Paul Fitch wrote: > I've got a couple I'll prolly never use if you have. There's something to keep in mind. Thank you. >However, its my experience that peripherals like the X-pad don't >accept data from the computer, they just send it. It has to accept certain control signals, so it knows when to send data, and what data to send. Actually, I was more worried about the analog side of things. Unfortunately I never learned much about the analog side of things. :-( >So whatever your problem is, I think it stops at the x-pad connector >on the motherboard. Probably. Thanks, Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Jul 16 15:23:43 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:23:43 -0600 Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? In-Reply-To: <200907152056.29413.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> <200907152056.29413.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090716192343.GB30950@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 08:56:29PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > This thing is gettin on toward applying for SS in electronics years & could > have some ailments after 20 years. That's also true, unfortunately. > > Open it up Willard, and see if any of the small electrolytic caps > have either leaked, or the tops are slightly bulged up. That's in the pak side, right? I don't know if I'd dare open the pad. I just *know* I'd never get it back together right. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Jul 16 21:51:19 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:51:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCopedia fixed and upgraded. Message-ID: Thanks to Mitchell C. for letting me know that now that coco25.com is dead, my Wiki was messed up (links redirecting to coco25.com). I have it fixed now, and upgraded to the latest version. Please check it out and let me know if there are issues. http://www.cocopedia.com -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com http://facebook.com/allenhuffman - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman http://twitter.com/disneyfanscom - http://twitter.com/atthefaire 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jul 16 22:04:05 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:04:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? In-Reply-To: <20090716192343.GB30950@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> <200907152056.29413.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090716192343.GB30950@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <200907162204.05898.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 16 July 2009, Willard Goosey wrote: >On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 08:56:29PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> This thing is gettin on toward applying for SS in electronics years & >> could have some ailments after 20 years. > >That's also true, unfortunately. > >> Open it up Willard, and see if any of the small electrolytic caps >> have either leaked, or the tops are slightly bulged up. > >That's in the pak side, right? I don't know if I'd dare open the >pad. I just *know* I'd never get it back together right. > >Willard I believe there are some caps in the pad too, but won't lay my hand on the book as its been nearly 20 years since I last had mine open. A decent set of small screwdrivers is a huge help with that. Something that has been rattling around in the toolbox for 20 years isn't too likely to fit the screws anymore. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Bridge ahead. Pay troll. From asa.rand at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 22:22:39 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Post to the list Message-ID: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi everyone. I am new to this list, and haven't been directly involved with the Color Computer or OS-9 crowd in a long time. Over 15 years. I have come back because I want to preserve a program that I wrote a long time ago. I'd like to tell you about the program, and more recent events. >From 1991-93 I developed a program, in Basic09 on a 512K CoCo3 running OS-9 Level 2, designed to de-code Basic09 I-Code files. The object was to retrieve the source code if the user (me) lost a source code file and needed it back. I named it DCom. The full title is "DCom - Basic09 I-Code De-Compiler". I marketed it through Animajik Productions, owned by Alan Sheltra. At the 92 or 93 (not sure which) CoCoFest in Atlanta, Georgia, Alan sold nine copies. Since the cost of packaging and marketing was not covered by the sales, I conceded to allow Alan to keep it all. I never saw a penny. I managed to hold onto the original source (in printed form), along with related materials, until about two years ago. Recently, I realized how long it's been since I wrote the program, and decided to see if someone ever put a copy online to preserve it. I found that the CoCo group is very worthy of praise, as not one single copy was to be found. My copyright had been upheld by the group. I was happy, and sad. I want to release it to the public domain in order for it to be preserved. Through contact with Alan, who I haven't seen in over 16 years, I found that he didn't have any of the materials left, but he put me in touch with Dean Lieber, to whom he had given everything he had years ago. I am esctatic! Dean had a copy! I got the .os9 image file, installed Mess and NitrOS-9 and tried to read the disk. Bummer. Disk isn't being acknowledged. Upon investigation, I find that, somehow, a byte in the disk header in LSN0 was set to $07, when it was supposed to be $03. Finally reading the disk, and everything is there! Everything but the source code, because that wasn't included in the distribution disk. I have tried to see if the old 3-ring binder I lost still exists, in the hope of preserving what may well prove be the most important OS-9 Level 1 and Level 2 code that still exists. Back when I was developing it, Boisy Pitre send me a copy of the header to the original Basic09 source code! As far as he knew, it was the last 6809 version of Basic09. He couldn't send me the entire source. That header info was invaluable. From what I understand, Microware had already destroyed everything related to Level 1 and Level 2 by then, because they were already developing OS-9000, which didn't even include a Basic language. In addition, there were many pages of my notes. And I even had a printout of the hexadecimal representations of the I-Code modules. That was in case I ever had to manually create the I-Code files. Alot of good all that work did. Without the binder I only have what I can remember, which hasn't proven to be much. It's like I'm learning OS-9 for the first time. I'm looking at version numbers and differences now. Which brings me to the point of this post. I finally got everything done, meaning I had to set the executable attrs on the cmds directory and on every file in it. I also had to make copies of the I-Code modules to work on, because I had to get past the internal security that blocked self-decompile. It wasn't a difficult thing, but I had to change every single procedure that makes up the program. That was my attempt to discourage it. I also knew I'd probably forget it altogether if I made it too complex. Anyway, I started the de-compile. It got all the way to printing out the instruction statements when it stopped. Examination of the source file being constructed showed it got hung before it was done writing the DIM, TYPE and PARAM statements to the file. Checking the disk space available proved there was plenty of room on the disk. I knew that the Basic09 in Level 2 had been upgraded from the version for Level 1. I decided to see if I could tell what version was in NitrOS-9. The versions of Basic09 and RunB in NitrOS-9 are listed below. NitrOS9 version: Basic09 BASIC09 6809 VERSION 01.01.00 COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE TO TANDY CORP. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. RunB BASIC09 RS VERSION 01.00.00 COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE TO TANDY CORP. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I found a copy of an archive that contains both OS-9 Level 1 and Level 2. The Level 1 version didn't contain Basic09 or RunB, but the Level 2 version did. The versions are listed below. cocoos9 version: Basic09 BASIC09 RS VERSION 01.00.01 COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE TO TANDY CORP. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. RunB BASIC09 RS VERSION 01.00.01 COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE TO TANDY CORP. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I could swear I remember Level 2 Basic09 displaying the version number 1.2. How many versions are there? From what I can deduce, the versions may be as follows: Dragon L1: 1.00.00 CoCo L1: 1.00.01 or 1.01.00 CoCo L2: 1.01.00 or 1.02.00 Does anyone on this list have the original OS-9 Level 1 version of Basic09 and RunB, and/or the original Level 2? I feel it may be that I am running an older version of Basic09 than I used when I wrote the program. I need to figure this out, or I'm stuck trying to decode the I-Code manually. I already started doing that. Using the smallest procedure in the program, named DCIA, I was able to remember something of the structure of I-Code, but attempts with the primary procedure, DCom, prove I don't remember enough to make that difference. It will take a long time manually. But, I did get DCIA decompiled. The only thing I'm not sure of about it is if I'm using TRUE and FALSE in the correct order. In case you haven't guessed it, DCIA is the procedure that seeks to prevent self-decompile. Here's the listing, for those interested. The variable names are new. I can't remember what names I used originally. The condition tests in comments are versions I think I used, but without compiling it I can't tell. PROCEDURE DCIA DIM verify(6):BOOLEAN DIM copyRight:STRING[1] DIM id:BYTE DIM index:INTEGER PARAM idents(6):BYTE, verified:BOOLEAN copyRight := "@8y at aa" copyRight := " DCom - Basic09 I-Code De-Compiler: Copyright (c) 1991,1992,1993 by Wayne Campbell All Rights Reserved " FOR index := 1 TO 6 READ id IF id = idents(index) THEN verify(index) := TRUE ELSE verify(index) := FALSE ENDIF NEXT index FOR index := 1 TO 6 IF verify(index) = FALSE THEN (* IF NOT(verify(index)) THEN *) verified := FALSE ENDIF NEXT index IF verified = FALSE THEN (* IF NOT(verified) THEN *) PRINT PRINT " ==> WARNING!! <==" PRINT " Attempt to De-Compile DCom Related or DCom Protected Module!" PRINT " De-Compile ABORTED!!" ENDIF END DATA $40, $38, $79, $40, $61, $61 From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Thu Jul 16 22:38:04 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:38:04 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCopedia fixed and upgraded. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5FE40C.1040201@embarqmail.com> Allen Huffman wrote: > Thanks to Mitchell C. for letting me know that now that coco25.com is > dead, my Wiki was messed up (links redirecting to coco25.com). > > I have it fixed now, and upgraded to the latest version. Please check it > out and let me know if there are issues. > > http://www.cocopedia.com Thurs. July 16, 9:34 PM. Authorization is required. Where do I register? I get this message: A username and password are being requested by http://www.cocopedia.com. The site says: "CHECK_BACK_LATER" Cheers Dave -- I'm a vulgar old cuss, I fought for every bit of filthy dirt on me, don't expect me to sparkle. From asa.rand at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 22:37:48 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] An error Message-ID: <326246.62863.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In my first post, I spelled Dean's last name incorrectly. It is Dean Leiber. From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Jul 16 22:46:33 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:46:33 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Post to the list In-Reply-To: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9040EEA9-BD9B-4617-B5D8-92ECBFF16A9D@pobox.com> On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Wayne Campbell wrote: > Hi everyone. I am new to this list, and haven't been directly > involved with the Color Computer or OS-9 crowd in a long time. Over > 15 years. I have come back because I want to preserve a program that > I wrote a long time ago. I'd like to tell you about the program, and > more recent events. Wow, Wayne -- I haven't heard your name in ages. Animajik, either, for that matter. Great tale you spin! I can't help but wanted to say hi! -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com http://facebook.com/allenhuffman - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman http://twitter.com/disneyfanscom - http://twitter.com/atthefaire 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Jul 16 22:47:43 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:47:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCopedia fixed and upgraded. In-Reply-To: <4A5FE40C.1040201@embarqmail.com> References: <4A5FE40C.1040201@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3C47E12E-E8DF-4D29-9CE5-4E7B74C9CEE1@pobox.com> On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Dave Kelly wrote: > Authorization is required. Where do I register? I get this message: > A username and password are being requested by http://www.cocopedia.com > . The site says: "CHECK_BACK_LATER" Ooops! I did that during the upgrade process to lock the system down while I did that. Should be back now. -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com http://facebook.com/allenhuffman - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman http://twitter.com/disneyfanscom - http://twitter.com/atthefaire 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From operator at coco3.com Thu Jul 16 23:08:42 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:08:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] country blocked In-Reply-To: <4E4418A905474898BC20F24BD2B48B16@FANTASYWARE> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712192246.0493a580@coco3.com> <4E4418A905474898BC20F24BD2B48B16@FANTASYWARE> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090716215903.05195390@coco3.com> At 06:07 AM 7/15/2009, you wrote: >Why would the Russians be interested in trying to shut down a >website about an obsolete 8 bit system like the CoCo? I think the point is that countries and "bots" are doing this to each other, in the thousands daily, not just to a CoCo site. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" >To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:46 AM >Subject: Re: [Coco] country blocked > > >>I doubt there are any CoCo-nuts in Russia. There are only a few of us in >>Western Europe even, so I think you can block Russia without much worries. >> >>Cheers, >>Fedor >> >>2009/7/13 Roger Taylor >> >>>If someone among us lives in Russia, could they please try to access >>>coco3.com to see if it blocks you? I've been blasted by Russian attacks >>>all day long and while I work on a better human-signup process, I've had to >>>block the entire country of Russia. No offense to any one person or the >>>country itself, but I see no other way right now to drastically reduce the >>>chances of porn or spam being flooded into the forums while I'm asleep or at >>>work. >>> >>>-- >>>Roger Taylor >>> >>>http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Coco mailing list >>>Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >>-- >>Coco mailing list >>Coco at maltedmedia.com >>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 00:08:51 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? In-Reply-To: <20090716192343.GB30950@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <31133.98971.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd almost say take it over to the boys and girls over there at NMT, but they're probably all too busy with that TV show they got to be a part of... what was it called now.... "Man vs. Cartoon" or something like that. ;) -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Willard Goosey wrote: > From: Willard Goosey > Subject: Re: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:23 PM > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 08:56:29PM > -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > This thing is gettin on toward applying for SS in > electronics years & could > > have some ailments after 20 years. > > That's also true, unfortunately. > > > > Open it up Willard, and see if any of the small > electrolytic caps > > have either leaked, or the tops are slightly bulged > up. > > That's in the pak side, right?? I don't know if I'd > dare open the > pad.? I just *know* I'd never get it back together > right. > > Willard > -- > Willard Goosey? goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and > the Night. > ? -- R.E. Howard > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 17 00:39:37 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:39:37 -0500 Subject: [Coco] country blocked In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090716215903.05195390@coco3.com> References: <6.2.5.6.1.20090712192246.0493a580@coco3.com> <4E4418A905474898BC20F24BD2B48B16@FANTASYWARE> <6.2.5.6.1.20090716215903.05195390@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4A600089.1070209@embarqmail.com> Roger Taylor wrote: > At 06:07 AM 7/15/2009, you wrote: >> Why would the Russians be interested in trying to shut down a website >> about an obsolete 8 bit system like the CoCo? > > I think the point is that countries and "bots" are doing this to each > other, in the thousands daily, not just to a CoCo site. When these first started, the web site I maintain was getting hit 50 to 70 times a day. My website is about fly fishing. Not medicine, sex, money investment, Las Vegas, etal. I made everyone be approved to become a user.I scan the apps and if one looks promising, I run a 'whois' and if that looks promising I then run a 'traceroute'. Today, I had a 'whois' IP host that took me to Billings Montana. Great, middle of fly fishing country. A 'traceroute' failed at hop 13, where most do when they try to hop the east pond. Those get put in the ban list. That seems to be working somewhat. When they shut the chief American source of spam down it was predicted that Russia was going to become the main country to fill the gap. Dave -- I'm a vulgar old cuss, I fought for every bit of filthy dirt on me, don't expect me to sparkle. From asa.rand at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 01:15:17 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Post to the list In-Reply-To: <9040EEA9-BD9B-4617-B5D8-92ECBFF16A9D@pobox.com> References: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9040EEA9-BD9B-4617-B5D8-92ECBFF16A9D@pobox.com> Message-ID: <521476.8184.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Allen :) It's been so long for me that I have trouble remembering everyone I knew back then. I'm enjoying being part of this list. It's bringing back memories. ________________________________ From: Allen Huffman To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:46:33 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Post to the list On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Wayne Campbell wrote: > Hi everyone. I am new to this list, and haven't been directly involved with the Color Computer or OS-9 crowd in a long time. Over 15 years. I have come back because I want to preserve a program that I wrote a long time ago. I'd like to tell you about the program, and more recent events. Wow, Wayne -- I haven't heard your name in ages. Animajik, either, for that matter. Great tale you spin! I can't help but wanted to say hi! -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com http://facebook.com/allenhuffman - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman http://twitter.com/disneyfanscom - http://twitter.com/atthefaire 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Fri Jul 17 16:06:06 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:06:06 -0600 Subject: [Coco] xpad and hi-speed? In-Reply-To: <200907162204.05898.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090715214928.GB20681@virgo.sdc.org> <200907152056.29413.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090716192343.GB30950@virgo.sdc.org> <200907162204.05898.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090717200606.GA17602@virgo.sdc.org> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:04:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I believe there are some caps in the pad too, Scary. Well, I was playing with the X-Pad again last night, and it seemed fine. I dunno. Maybe it was just getting too hot. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 17 19:21:52 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:21:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Post to the list In-Reply-To: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Wayne, Long time no see. I worked with you after you initially released DCOM, trying to get better decompiles. I was living in Winter Springs, Fla at the time. Like you, I misplaced everything during the years getting my degree and a real job. I still remember what a bear the Reverse Polish Notation of the i-code files was. Hope you get Dcom all back together. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:23 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Post to the list > > Hi everyone. I am new to this list, and haven't been directly > involved with the Color Computer or OS-9 crowd in a long > time. Over 15 years. I have come back because I want to > preserve a program that I wrote a long time ago. I'd like to > tell you about the program, and more recent events. > > >From 1991-93 I developed a program, in Basic09 on a 512K > CoCo3 running OS-9 Level 2, designed to de-code Basic09 > I-Code files. The object was to retrieve the source code if > the user (me) lost a source code file and needed it back. I > named it DCom. The full title is "DCom - Basic09 I-Code > De-Compiler". I marketed it through Animajik Productions, > owned by Alan Sheltra. At the 92 or 93 (not sure which) > CoCoFest in Atlanta, Georgia, Alan sold nine copies. Since > the cost of packaging and marketing was not covered by the > sales, I conceded to allow Alan to keep it all. I never saw a penny. > > I managed to hold onto the original source (in printed form), > along with related materials, until about two years ago. > Recently, I realized how long it's been since I wrote the > program, and decided to see if someone ever put a copy online > to preserve it. I found that the CoCo group is very worthy of > praise, as not one single copy was to be found. My copyright > had been upheld by the group. I was happy, and sad. I want to > release it to the public domain in order for it to be preserved. > > Through contact with Alan, who I haven't seen in over 16 > years, I found that he didn't have any of the materials left, > but he put me in touch with Dean Lieber, to whom he had given > everything he had years ago. I am esctatic! Dean had a copy! > I got the .os9 image file, installed Mess and NitrOS-9 and > tried to read the disk. Bummer. Disk isn't being > acknowledged. Upon investigation, I find that, somehow, a > byte in the disk header in LSN0 was set to $07, when it was > supposed to be $03. Finally reading the disk, and everything > is there! Everything but the source code, because that wasn't > included in the distribution disk. > > I have tried to see if the old 3-ring binder I lost still > exists, in the hope of preserving what may well prove be the > most important OS-9 Level 1 and Level 2 code that still > exists. Back when I was developing it, Boisy Pitre send me a > copy of the header to the original Basic09 source code! As > far as he knew, it was the last 6809 version of Basic09. He > couldn't send me the entire source. That header info was > invaluable. From what I understand, Microware had already > destroyed everything related to Level 1 and Level 2 by then, > because they were already developing OS-9000, which didn't > even include a Basic language. In addition, there were many > pages of my notes. And I even had a printout of the > hexadecimal representations of the I-Code modules. That was > in case I ever had to manually create the I-Code files. > > Alot of good all that work did. Without the binder I only > have what I can remember, which hasn't proven to be much. > It's like I'm learning OS-9 for the first time. I'm looking > at version numbers and differences now. Which brings me to > the point of this post. > > I finally got everything done, meaning I had to set the > executable attrs on the cmds directory and on every file in > it. I also had to make copies of the I-Code modules to work > on, because I had to get past the internal security that > blocked self-decompile. It wasn't a difficult thing, but I > had to change every single procedure that makes up the > program. That was my attempt to discourage it. I also knew > I'd probably forget it altogether if I made it too complex. > Anyway, I started the de-compile. It got all the way to > printing out the instruction statements when it stopped. > Examination of the source file being constructed showed it > got hung before it was done writing the DIM, TYPE and PARAM > statements to the file. Checking the disk space available > proved there was plenty of room on the disk. > > I knew that the Basic09 in Level 2 had been upgraded from the > version for Level 1. I decided to see if I could tell what > version was in NitrOS-9. The versions of Basic09 and RunB in > NitrOS-9 are listed below. > > NitrOS9 version: > > Basic09 > > BASIC09 > 6809 VERSION 01.01.00 > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > TO TANDY CORP. > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > RunB > > BASIC09 > RS VERSION 01.00.00 > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > TO TANDY CORP. > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > I found a copy of an archive that contains both OS-9 Level 1 > and Level 2. The Level 1 version didn't contain Basic09 or > RunB, but the Level 2 version did. The versions are listed below. > > cocoos9 version: > > Basic09 > > BASIC09 > RS VERSION 01.00.01 > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > TO TANDY CORP. > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > RunB > > BASIC09 > RS VERSION 01.00.01 > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > TO TANDY CORP. > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > I could swear I remember Level 2 Basic09 displaying the > version number 1.2. How many versions are there? From what I > can deduce, the versions may be as follows: > > Dragon L1: > > 1.00.00 > > CoCo L1: > > 1.00.01 or 1.01.00 > > CoCo L2: > > 1.01.00 or 1.02.00 > > Does anyone on this list have the original OS-9 Level 1 > version of Basic09 and RunB, and/or the original Level 2? I > feel it may be that I am running an older version of Basic09 > than I used when I wrote the program. I need to figure this > out, or I'm stuck trying to decode the I-Code manually. I > already started doing that. Using the smallest procedure in > the program, named DCIA, I was able to remember something of > the structure of I-Code, but attempts with the primary > procedure, DCom, prove I don't remember enough to make that > difference. It will take a long time manually. But, I did get > DCIA decompiled. The only thing I'm not sure of about it is > if I'm using TRUE and FALSE in the correct order. In case you > haven't guessed it, DCIA is the procedure that seeks to > prevent self-decompile. > > Here's the listing, for those interested. The variable names > are new. I can't remember what names I used originally. The > condition tests in comments are versions I think I used, but > without compiling it I can't tell. > > PROCEDURE DCIA > > DIM verify(6):BOOLEAN > DIM copyRight:STRING[1] > DIM id:BYTE > DIM index:INTEGER > > PARAM idents(6):BYTE, verified:BOOLEAN > > copyRight := "@8y at aa" > copyRight := " DCom - Basic09 I-Code De-Compiler: Copyright > (c) 1991,1992,1993 by Wayne Campbell All Rights Reserved " > > FOR index := 1 TO 6 > READ id > IF id = idents(index) THEN > verify(index) := TRUE > ELSE > verify(index) := FALSE > ENDIF > NEXT index > > FOR index := 1 TO 6 > IF verify(index) = FALSE THEN (* IF NOT(verify(index)) THEN *) > verified := FALSE > ENDIF > NEXT index > > IF verified = FALSE THEN (* IF NOT(verified) THEN *) > PRINT > PRINT " ==> WARNING!! <==" > PRINT " Attempt to De-Compile DCom Related or DCom > Protected Module!" > PRINT " De-Compile ABORTED!!" > ENDIF > > END > > DATA $40, $38, $79, $40, $61, $61 > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From adit at nationsdial.com Fri Jul 17 13:01:39 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Coco] An error In-Reply-To: <326246.62863.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <326246.62863.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jul 16, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Wayne Campbell wrote: > In my first post, I spelled Dean's last name incorrectly. It is > Dean Leiber. > > That's OK Wayne :D. I'm glad you got the materials and are getting things squared away. I'm sure everyone is looking forward to your release! Dean From operator at coco3.com Fri Jul 17 23:24:31 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:24:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: <07A1D93883134A6096BBA574536249A5@FANTASYWARE> References: <07A1D93883134A6096BBA574536249A5@FANTASYWARE> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.1.20090717221854.04fb27a0@coco3.com> At 09:24 AM 7/16/2009, you wrote: >OK then who would be paying a Russian Hacker to try to shut a >website like CoCo3.com? What on Earth for? I'm not even sure who made the initial ridiculous suggestion that this was the case. Bots are attacking the site just like they attack millions of other sites. What my logs show is a constant bombardment of spam attempts from IP addresses that (when looked up) resolve to Russia. Most e-mail addresses submitted for spam accounts end with .ru. However, As I Said, those could also be spoofed. Who knows. It doesn't matter because it's beyond my control. Somebody's gotta keep me on my toes, know don't they? :) -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From flexser at fiu.edu Fri Jul 17 23:35:44 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:35:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.1.20090717221854.04fb27a0@coco3.com> References: <07A1D93883134A6096BBA574536249A5@FANTASYWARE> <6.2.5.6.1.20090717221854.04fb27a0@coco3.com> Message-ID: Which still leaves, "what on earth for?" What do the masters of those bots hope to accomplish with all these attacks? Art On 7/17/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 09:24 AM 7/16/2009, you wrote: > > > OK then who would be paying a Russian Hacker to try to shut a website like > CoCo3.com? What on Earth for? > > > > I'm not even sure who made the initial ridiculous suggestion that this was > the case. Bots are attacking the site just like they attack millions of > other sites. What my logs show is a constant bombardment of spam attempts > from IP addresses that (when looked up) resolve to Russia. Most e-mail > addresses submitted for spam accounts end with .ru. However, As I Said, > those could also be spoofed. Who knows. It doesn't matter because it's > beyond my control. Somebody's gotta keep me on my toes, know don't they? :) > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sat Jul 18 06:20:29 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 06:20:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked References: <07A1D93883134A6096BBA574536249A5@FANTASYWARE><6.2.5.6.1.20090717221854.04fb27a0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <3DB501F31B214FC2A6F6FC2754FF7431@speedy> I could put forward some sort of conspiracy theory, but I'd probably get the wrong one. Bruce W. ======================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Flexser" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked > Which still leaves, "what on earth for?" What do the masters of > those bots hope to accomplish with all these attacks? > > Art > > On 7/17/09, Roger Taylor wrote: >> At 09:24 AM 7/16/2009, you wrote: >> >> > OK then who would be paying a Russian Hacker to try to shut a website >> > like >> CoCo3.com? What on Earth for? >> > >> >> I'm not even sure who made the initial ridiculous suggestion that this >> was >> the case. Bots are attacking the site just like they attack millions of >> other sites. What my logs show is a constant bombardment of spam >> attempts >> from IP addresses that (when looked up) resolve to Russia. Most e-mail >> addresses submitted for spam accounts end with .ru. However, As I Said, >> those could also be spoofed. Who knows. It doesn't matter because it's >> beyond my control. Somebody's gotta keep me on my toes, know don't they? >> :) >> >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor >> >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From wschaub at steubentech.com Sat Jul 18 12:17:10 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:17:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: References: <07A1D93883134A6096BBA574536249A5@FANTASYWARE> <6.2.5.6.1.20090717221854.04fb27a0@coco3.com> Message-ID: <4A61F586.7000601@steubentech.com> Arthur Flexser wrote: > Which still leaves, "what on earth for?" What do the masters of > those bots hope to accomplish with all these attacks? > > Art > > My guess would be to "MAKE MONEY FAST!" by selling various "ehancement" products and such. It is a truly depraved world we live in and somehow the net has stopped being about people communicating together and more about machines screaming as loudly as possible to each other selling things nobody wants and making the network unusable for real human beings. and as the spammer's scripts get more sophisticated we have to keep up with the arms race. which really is a shame since so much time and resources are spent fighting spam that little time is left for anything else. From flexser at fiu.edu Sat Jul 18 12:39:15 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:39:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: <4A61F586.7000601@steubentech.com> References: <07A1D93883134A6096BBA574536249A5@FANTASYWARE> <6.2.5.6.1.20090717221854.04fb27a0@coco3.com> <4A61F586.7000601@steubentech.com> Message-ID: I assume that to be the motivation of spammers, but we're talking about attacks on websites. How does that make money for anyone? Art On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM, William Schaub wrote: > Arthur Flexser wrote: >> >> Which still leaves, "what on earth for?" ? What do the masters of >> those bots hope to accomplish with all these attacks? >> >> Art >> >> > > My guess would be to "MAKE MONEY FAST!" by selling various "ehancement" > products and such. ?It is a truly depraved > world we live in and somehow the net has stopped being about people > communicating together and more about machines screaming as loudly as > possible to each other selling things nobody wants and making the network > unusable for real human beings. ?and as the spammer's scripts get more > sophisticated ?we have to keep up with the arms race. which really is a > shame since so much time and resources are spent fighting spam that little > time is left for anything else. > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 13:22:19 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] An error In-Reply-To: References: <326246.62863.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <676572.6074.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks, Dean. :) I am working on it. It looks like I'll be decoding the I-Code files manually, at least until I can find out what is going wrong with it. I am going to be putting everything on CoCopedia. I hope to include some technical detail, such as the structure of I-Code and how to decode it, as well. And from what I've seen so far, I may be including differences between versions of 6809 Basic09 too. Wayne ________________________________ From: Dean Leiber To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:01:39 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] An error On Jul 16, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Wayne Campbell wrote: > In my first post, I spelled Dean's last name incorrectly. It is Dean Leiber. > > That's OK Wayne :D. I'm glad you got the materials and are getting things squared away. I'm sure everyone is looking forward to your release! Dean -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 13:27:12 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Post to the list In-Reply-To: References: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17834.95552.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Paul!! Hello! I wasn't sure if I'd see you on this list or not. I remember the fun we had working out the details of Drpn. I never really liked the term "reverse polish notation", but it seemed to fit well at the time. If I remember correctly, the accurate term is PostFix Notation. In the politically correct 21st century, I'd probably have been required to name it DPFix or something like that. LOL I know that Rodney Hamilton also helped on Drpn. Has anyone heard from him? If so, perhaps my greetings may be conveyed to him. Wayne ________________________________ From: Paul Fitch To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:21:52 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Post to the list Hello Wayne, Long time no see. I worked with you after you initially released DCOM, trying to get better decompiles. I was living in Winter Springs, Fla at the time. Like you, I misplaced everything during the years getting my degree and a real job. I still remember what a bear the Reverse Polish Notation of the i-code files was. Hope you get Dcom all back together. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:23 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Post to the list > > Hi everyone. I am new to this list, and haven't been directly > involved with the Color Computer or OS-9 crowd in a long > time. Over 15 years. I have come back because I want to > preserve a program that I wrote a long time ago. I'd like to > tell you about the program, and more recent events. > > >From 1991-93 I developed a program, in Basic09 on a 512K > CoCo3 running OS-9 Level 2, designed to de-code Basic09 > I-Code files. The object was to retrieve the source code if > the user (me) lost a source code file and needed it back. I > named it DCom. The full title is "DCom - Basic09 I-Code > De-Compiler". I marketed it through Animajik Productions, > owned by Alan Sheltra. At the 92 or 93 (not sure which) > CoCoFest in Atlanta, Georgia, Alan sold nine copies. Since > the cost of packaging and marketing was not covered by the > sales, I conceded to allow Alan to keep it all. I never saw a penny. > > I managed to hold onto the original source (in printed form), > along with related materials, until about two years ago. > Recently, I realized how long it's been since I wrote the > program, and decided to see if someone ever put a copy online > to preserve it. I found that the CoCo group is very worthy of > praise, as not one single copy was to be found. My copyright > had been upheld by the group. I was happy, and sad. I want to > release it to the public domain in order for it to be preserved. > > Through contact with Alan, who I haven't seen in over 16 > years, I found that he didn't have any of the materials left, > but he put me in touch with Dean Lieber, to whom he had given > everything he had years ago. I am esctatic! Dean had a copy! > I got the .os9 image file, installed Mess and NitrOS-9 and > tried to read the disk. Bummer. Disk isn't being > acknowledged. Upon investigation, I find that, somehow, a > byte in the disk header in LSN0 was set to $07, when it was > supposed to be $03. Finally reading the disk, and everything > is there! Everything but the source code, because that wasn't > included in the distribution disk. > > I have tried to see if the old 3-ring binder I lost still > exists, in the hope of preserving what may well prove be the > most important OS-9 Level 1 and Level 2 code that still > exists. Back when I was developing it, Boisy Pitre send me a > copy of the header to the original Basic09 source code! As > far as he knew, it was the last 6809 version of Basic09. He > couldn't send me the entire source. That header info was > invaluable. From what I understand, Microware had already > destroyed everything related to Level 1 and Level 2 by then, > because they were already developing OS-9000, which didn't > even include a Basic language. In addition, there were many > pages of my notes. And I even had a printout of the > hexadecimal representations of the I-Code modules. That was > in case I ever had to manually create the I-Code files. > > Alot of good all that work did. Without the binder I only > have what I can remember, which hasn't proven to be much. > It's like I'm learning OS-9 for the first time. I'm looking > at version numbers and differences now. Which brings me to > the point of this post. > > I finally got everything done, meaning I had to set the > executable attrs on the cmds directory and on every file in > it. I also had to make copies of the I-Code modules to work > on, because I had to get past the internal security that > blocked self-decompile. It wasn't a difficult thing, but I > had to change every single procedure that makes up the > program. That was my attempt to discourage it. I also knew > I'd probably forget it altogether if I made it too complex. > Anyway, I started the de-compile. It got all the way to > printing out the instruction statements when it stopped. > Examination of the source file being constructed showed it > got hung before it was done writing the DIM, TYPE and PARAM > statements to the file. Checking the disk space available > proved there was plenty of room on the disk. > > I knew that the Basic09 in Level 2 had been upgraded from the > version for Level 1. I decided to see if I could tell what > version was in NitrOS-9. The versions of Basic09 and RunB in > NitrOS-9 are listed below. > > NitrOS9 version: > > Basic09 > > BASIC09 > 6809 VERSION 01.01.00 > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > TO TANDY CORP. > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > RunB > > BASIC09 > RS VERSION 01.00.00 > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > TO TANDY CORP. > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > I found a copy of an archive that contains both OS-9 Level 1 > and Level 2. The Level 1 version didn't contain Basic09 or > RunB, but the Level 2 version did. The versions are listed below. > > cocoos9 version: > > Basic09 > > BASIC09 > RS VERSION 01.00.01 > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > TO TANDY CORP. > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > RunB > > BASIC09 > RS VERSION 01.00.01 > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > TO TANDY CORP. > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > I could swear I remember Level 2 Basic09 displaying the > version number 1.2. How many versions are there? From what I > can deduce, the versions may be as follows: > > Dragon L1: > > 1.00.00 > > CoCo L1: > > 1.00.01 or 1.01.00 > > CoCo L2: > > 1.01.00 or 1.02.00 > > Does anyone on this list have the original OS-9 Level 1 > version of Basic09 and RunB, and/or the original Level 2? I > feel it may be that I am running an older version of Basic09 > than I used when I wrote the program. I need to figure this > out, or I'm stuck trying to decode the I-Code manually. I > already started doing that. Using the smallest procedure in > the program, named DCIA, I was able to remember something of > the structure of I-Code, but attempts with the primary > procedure, DCom, prove I don't remember enough to make that > difference. It will take a long time manually. But, I did get > DCIA decompiled. The only thing I'm not sure of about it is > if I'm using TRUE and FALSE in the correct order. In case you > haven't guessed it, DCIA is the procedure that seeks to > prevent self-decompile. > > Here's the listing, for those interested. The variable names > are new. I can't remember what names I used originally. The > condition tests in comments are versions I think I used, but > without compiling it I can't tell. > > PROCEDURE DCIA > > DIM verify(6):BOOLEAN > DIM copyRight:STRING[1] > DIM id:BYTE > DIM index:INTEGER > > PARAM idents(6):BYTE, verified:BOOLEAN > > copyRight := "@8y at aa" > copyRight := " DCom - Basic09 I-Code De-Compiler: Copyright > (c) 1991,1992,1993 by Wayne Campbell All Rights Reserved " > > FOR index := 1 TO 6 > READ id > IF id = idents(index) THEN > verify(index) := TRUE > ELSE > verify(index) := FALSE > ENDIF > NEXT index > > FOR index := 1 TO 6 > IF verify(index) = FALSE THEN (* IF NOT(verify(index)) THEN *) > verified := FALSE > ENDIF > NEXT index > > IF verified = FALSE THEN (* IF NOT(verified) THEN *) > PRINT > PRINT " ==> WARNING!! <==" > PRINT " Attempt to De-Compile DCom Related or DCom > Protected Module!" > PRINT " De-Compile ABORTED!!" > ENDIF > > END > > DATA $40, $38, $79, $40, $61, $61 > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 18 13:58:54 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:58:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Post to the list In-Reply-To: <17834.95552.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <17834.95552.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've seen his name in the Glenside CCC membership list, and he was active on the Coco Supersite a year or more ago, but I haven't seen any posts from him on this list. Truth is, when I and Rodney worked toether, he was the brains of the outfit. He was OLD SCHOOL, did his early programming by flipping switches and graduated to punch cards. I hope to hear from him one of these days. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:27 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Post to the list > > Paul!! Hello! I wasn't sure if I'd see you on this list or > not. I remember the fun we had working out the details of > Drpn. I never really liked the term "reverse polish > notation", but it seemed to fit well at the time. If I > remember correctly, the accurate term is PostFix Notation. In > the politically correct 21st century, I'd probably have been > required to name it DPFix or something like that. LOL > > I know that Rodney Hamilton also helped on Drpn. Has anyone > heard from him? If so, perhaps my greetings may be conveyed to him. > > > Wayne > > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Fitch > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:21:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] Post to the list > > Hello Wayne, Long time no see. I worked with you after you > initially released DCOM, trying to get better decompiles. I > was living in Winter Springs, Fla at the time. Like you, I > misplaced everything during the years getting my degree and a > real job. I still remember what a bear the Reverse Polish > Notation of the i-code files was. Hope you get Dcom all back > together. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell > > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:23 PM > > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > > Subject: [Coco] Post to the list > > > > Hi everyone. I am new to this list, and haven't been > directly involved > > with the Color Computer or OS-9 crowd in a long time. Over > 15 years. I > > have come back because I want to preserve a program that I wrote a > > long time ago. I'd like to tell you about the program, and > more recent > > events. > > > > >From 1991-93 I developed a program, in Basic09 on a 512K > > CoCo3 running OS-9 Level 2, designed to de-code Basic09 > I-Code files. > > The object was to retrieve the source code if the user (me) lost a > > source code file and needed it back. I named it DCom. The > full title > > is "DCom - Basic09 I-Code De-Compiler". I marketed it > through Animajik > > Productions, owned by Alan Sheltra. At the 92 or 93 (not > sure which) > > CoCoFest in Atlanta, Georgia, Alan sold nine copies. Since > the cost of > > packaging and marketing was not covered by the sales, I conceded to > > allow Alan to keep it all. I never saw a penny. > > > > I managed to hold onto the original source (in printed form), along > > with related materials, until about two years ago. > > Recently, I realized how long it's been since I wrote the > program, and > > decided to see if someone ever put a copy online to preserve it. I > > found that the CoCo group is very worthy of praise, as not > one single > > copy was to be found. My copyright had been upheld by the > group. I was > > happy, and sad. I want to release it to the public domain > in order for > > it to be preserved. > > > > Through contact with Alan, who I haven't seen in over 16 years, I > > found that he didn't have any of the materials left, but he > put me in > > touch with Dean Lieber, to whom he had given everything he > had years > > ago. I am esctatic! Dean had a copy! > > I got the .os9 image file, installed Mess and NitrOS-9 and tried to > > read the disk. Bummer. Disk isn't being acknowledged. Upon > > investigation, I find that, somehow, a byte in the disk > header in LSN0 > > was set to $07, when it was supposed to be $03. Finally reading the > > disk, and everything is there! Everything but the source > code, because > > that wasn't included in the distribution disk. > > > > I have tried to see if the old 3-ring binder I lost still > exists, in > > the hope of preserving what may well prove be the most > important OS-9 > > Level 1 and Level 2 code that still exists. Back when I was > developing > > it, Boisy Pitre send me a copy of the header to the > original Basic09 > > source code! As far as he knew, it was the last 6809 version of > > Basic09. He couldn't send me the entire source. That header > info was > > invaluable. From what I understand, Microware had already destroyed > > everything related to Level 1 and Level 2 by then, because > they were > > already developing OS-9000, which didn't even include a Basic > > language. In addition, there were many pages of my notes. > And I even > > had a printout of the hexadecimal representations of the I-Code > > modules. That was in case I ever had to manually create the I-Code > > files. > > > > Alot of good all that work did. Without the binder I only > have what I > > can remember, which hasn't proven to be much. > > It's like I'm learning OS-9 for the first time. I'm looking > at version > > numbers and differences now. Which brings me to the point of this > > post. > > > > I finally got everything done, meaning I had to set the executable > > attrs on the cmds directory and on every file in it. I also had to > > make copies of the I-Code modules to work on, because I had to get > > past the internal security that blocked self-decompile. It wasn't a > > difficult thing, but I had to change every single procedure > that makes > > up the program. That was my attempt to discourage it. I > also knew I'd > > probably forget it altogether if I made it too complex. > > Anyway, I started the de-compile. It got all the way to > printing out > > the instruction statements when it stopped. > > Examination of the source file being constructed showed it got hung > > before it was done writing the DIM, TYPE and PARAM > statements to the > > file. Checking the disk space available proved there was plenty of > > room on the disk. > > > > I knew that the Basic09 in Level 2 had been upgraded from > the version > > for Level 1. I decided to see if I could tell what version was in > > NitrOS-9. The versions of Basic09 and RunB in > > NitrOS-9 are listed below. > > > > NitrOS9 version: > > > > Basic09 > > > > BASIC09 > > 6809 VERSION 01.01.00 > > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > > TO TANDY CORP. > > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > > > RunB > > > > BASIC09 > > RS VERSION 01.00.00 > > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > > TO TANDY CORP. > > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > > > I found a copy of an archive that contains both OS-9 Level > 1 and Level > > 2. The Level 1 version didn't contain Basic09 or RunB, but > the Level 2 > > version did. The versions are listed below. > > > > cocoos9 version: > > > > Basic09 > > > > BASIC09 > > RS VERSION 01.00.01 > > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > > TO TANDY CORP. > > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > > > RunB > > > > BASIC09 > > RS VERSION 01.00.01 > > COPYRIGHT 1980 BY MOTOROLA INC. > > AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. > > REPRODUCED UNDER LICENSE > > TO TANDY CORP. > > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > > > I could swear I remember Level 2 Basic09 displaying the > version number > > 1.2. How many versions are there? From what I can deduce, > the versions > > may be as follows: > > > > Dragon L1: > > > > 1.00.00 > > > > CoCo L1: > > > > 1.00.01 or 1.01.00 > > > > CoCo L2: > > > > 1.01.00 or 1.02.00 > > > > Does anyone on this list have the original OS-9 Level 1 version of > > Basic09 and RunB, and/or the original Level 2? I feel it > may be that I > > am running an older version of Basic09 than I used when I wrote the > > program. I need to figure this out, or I'm stuck trying to > decode the > > I-Code manually. I already started doing that. Using the smallest > > procedure in the program, named DCIA, I was able to > remember something > > of the structure of I-Code, but attempts with the primary > procedure, > > DCom, prove I don't remember enough to make that > difference. It will > > take a long time manually. But, I did get DCIA decompiled. The only > > thing I'm not sure of about it is if I'm using TRUE and > FALSE in the > > correct order. In case you haven't guessed it, DCIA is the > procedure > > that seeks to prevent self-decompile. > > > > Here's the listing, for those interested. The variable > names are new. > > I can't remember what names I used originally. The > condition tests in > > comments are versions I think I used, but without compiling > it I can't > > tell. > > > > PROCEDURE DCIA > > > > DIM verify(6):BOOLEAN > > DIM copyRight:STRING[1] > > DIM id:BYTE > > DIM index:INTEGER > > > > PARAM idents(6):BYTE, verified:BOOLEAN > > > > copyRight := "@8y at aa" > > copyRight := " DCom - Basic09 I-Code De-Compiler: Copyright > > (c) 1991,1992,1993 by Wayne Campbell All Rights Reserved " > > > > FOR index := 1 TO 6 > > READ id > > IF id = idents(index) THEN > > verify(index) := TRUE > > ELSE > > verify(index) := FALSE > > ENDIF > > NEXT index > > > > FOR index := 1 TO 6 > > IF verify(index) = FALSE THEN (* IF NOT(verify(index)) THEN *) > > verified := FALSE > > ENDIF > > NEXT index > > > > IF verified = FALSE THEN (* IF NOT(verified) THEN *) > > PRINT > > PRINT " ==> WARNING!! <==" > > PRINT " Attempt to De-Compile DCom Related or DCom Protected > > Module!" > > PRINT " De-Compile ABORTED!!" > > ENDIF > > > > END > > > > DATA $40, $38, $79, $40, $61, $61 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cyberpunk at prtc.net Sat Jul 18 14:29:29 2009 From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:29:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked References: <07A1D93883134A6096BBA574536249A5@FANTASYWARE><6.2.5.6.1.20090717221854.04fb27a0@coco3.com><4A61F586.7000601@steubentech.com> Message-ID: Yes my point exactly one thing is to post Spam and quite aniother to attack a website to attempt it to crash it which is what is being done here... There is more to this. much, much more... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Flexser" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked I assume that to be the motivation of spammers, but we're talking about attacks on websites. How does that make money for anyone? Art On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM, William Schaub wrote: > Arthur Flexser wrote: >> >> Which still leaves, "what on earth for?" What do the masters of >> those bots hope to accomplish with all these attacks? >> >> Art >> >> > > My guess would be to "MAKE MONEY FAST!" by selling various "ehancement" > products and such. It is a truly depraved > world we live in and somehow the net has stopped being about people > communicating together and more about machines screaming as loudly as > possible to each other selling things nobody wants and making the network > unusable for real human beings. and as the spammer's scripts get more > sophisticated we have to keep up with the arms race. which really is a > shame since so much time and resources are spent fighting spam that little > time is left for anything else. > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Sat Jul 18 16:16:47 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:16:47 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Post to the list In-Reply-To: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090718201647.GA30831@virgo.sdc.org> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 07:22:39PM -0700, Wayne Campbell wrote: > Hi everyone. I am new to this list, and haven't been directly > involved with the Color Computer or OS-9 crowd in a long time. Over > 15 years. I have come back because I want to preserve a program that > I wrote a long time ago. I'd like to tell you about the program, and > more recent events. > Welcome back! > >From 1991-93 I developed a program, in Basic09 on a 512K CoCo3 > >running OS-9 Level 2, designed to de-code Basic09 I-Code files. Cool! > Alot of good all that work did. Without the binder I only have what > I can remember, which hasn't proven to be much. Well, good luck on reconstructing your source. I know how it feels to loose stuff like that. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Jul 18 16:29:45 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:29:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: <4A61F586.7000601@steubentech.com> References: <4A61F586.7000601@steubentech.com> Message-ID: <200907181629.45655.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 18 July 2009, William Schaub wrote: >Arthur Flexser wrote: >> Which still leaves, "what on earth for?" What do the masters of >> those bots hope to accomplish with all these attacks? >> >> Art > >My guess would be to "MAKE MONEY FAST!" by selling various "ehancement" >products and such. It is a truly depraved >world we live in and somehow the net has stopped being about people >communicating together and more about machines screaming as loudly as >possible to each other selling things nobody wants and making the >network unusable for real human beings. and as the spammer's scripts >get more sophisticated we have to keep up with the arms race. which >really is a shame since so much time and resources are spent fighting >spam that little time is left for anything else. 200% correct Art. I'm on the spamassassin list, and it takes the spammers less than 2 hours to respond to a method to catch & /dev/null their messages. Of course they are subscribed, what better place to find the info they need to defeat our efforts to stop them. Personally, I'm in favor of a few public be-headings, displayed right on the front fence of the SCOTUS building. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Don't smoke the next cigarette. Repeat. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Jul 18 16:36:31 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:36:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: References: <4A61F586.7000601@steubentech.com> Message-ID: <200907181636.31703.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 18 July 2009, Arthur Flexser wrote: >I assume that to be the motivation of spammers, but we're talking >about attacks on websites. How does that make money for anyone? > >Art By gaining control of the machinery the site is on, they can then use it either as a spam relay, or as an slaved attack vector to go attack other machines. Some of the 'botnets' controlled by these folks have totaled in excess of 100k machines. 100k machines all going after the same site with their variations of John the Ripper will either crash the site, or crack it and own it, even some versions of linux. My router alone is dropping over 800 such attacks a day on average. And I'm pretty much invisible except for my web server, whose address I post very sparingly. >On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM, William Schaub wrote: >> Arthur Flexser wrote: >>> Which still leaves, "what on earth for?" What do the masters of >>> those bots hope to accomplish with all these attacks? >>> >>> Art >> >> My guess would be to "MAKE MONEY FAST!" by selling various "ehancement" >> products and such. It is a truly depraved >> world we live in and somehow the net has stopped being about people >> communicating together and more about machines screaming as loudly as >> possible to each other selling things nobody wants and making the network >> unusable for real human beings. and as the spammer's scripts get more >> sophisticated we have to keep up with the arms race. which really is a >> shame since so much time and resources are spent fighting spam that little >> time is left for anything else. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Don't smoke the next cigarette. Repeat. From Torsten at Dittel.info Sat Jul 18 18:54:37 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:54:37 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Post to the list In-Reply-To: References: <776952.31551.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <17834.95552.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: His last post to this list was 4 years ago... From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 18 20:32:31 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:32:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: <200907181636.31703.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4A61F586.7000601@steubentech.com> <200907181636.31703.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A62699F.6050603@embarqmail.com> Gene Heskett wrote: My router alone is dropping over 800 > such attacks a day on average. And I'm pretty much invisible except for my > web server, whose address I post very sparingly. Gene.... Where to you obtain this count, I would like to check my site. D -- I'm a vulgar old cuss, I fought for every bit of filthy dirt on me, don't expect me to sparkle. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Jul 18 23:29:59 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:29:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: <4A62699F.6050603@embarqmail.com> References: <200907181636.31703.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4A62699F.6050603@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <200907182329.59571.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 18 July 2009, Dave Kelly wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: > My router alone is dropping over 800 > >> such attacks a day on average. And I'm pretty much invisible except for >> my web server, whose address I post very sparingly. > >Gene.... >Where to you obtain this count, I would like to check my site. > >D From 'logwatch'. But I have a link from the routers logging to my logging so all the rejects and drops show up in my log, making it very large indeed by the time logrotate runs on sunday mornings. As for the link, I'm not sure how its setup. I was attempting to get it to write to its own log via a samba share, and it wound up going to my messages log instead. This is while running dd-wrt on an old slow x86 box, no drives, just a cf adapter on the end of an ide cable, with the dd-wrt image written to the flash card, a 512megger, but could be as small as a 32 meg cf card as the image and its nonvolatile data only uses maybe 15 megs. The logwatch format looks like this in the daily email it sends me: --------------------- iptables firewall Begin ------------------------ Listed by source hosts: Dropped 772 packets on interface ppp0 From 24.32.108.249 - 2 packets to tcp(445) From 24.32.226.82 - 2 packets to icmp(8) From 24.43.218.90 - 2 packets to tcp(445) From 24.101.193.115 - 2 packets to icmp(8) From 24.109.249.54 - 2 packets to tcp(445) From 24.232.102.112 - 2 packets to tcp(445) From 38.99.13.116 - 4 packets to tcp(80) From 41.103.25.77 - 2 packets to tcp(445) From 41.104.21.216 - 2 packets to tcp(445) From 41.105.45.191 - 2 packets to tcp(445) From 41.202.90.6 - 2 packets to tcp(445) etc till its listed all of them in the last 24 hours. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd. From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 19 00:25:01 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:25:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig> <238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <07BB860985DC4EEF91B5D4C5A6A5541A@Dell3Gig> Status Update - I'm at over 8,000 records now, and am about 4 issues from having all of the BUG newsletters input. Since Rainbow on Disk is included, I decided I would include the BUG PD library too. BUG printed a fairly usable PD library listing which I can transpose into the database. And their library was/is comprehensive. Whats in the database right now? The following: 80 Microcomputing 9/80 through 4/86 80 US Journal 3/81 thru 6/83 Austrailian Coco 12/84 thru 5/85 Basic Computing 7/83 thru 3/84 BUG Newsletter 1/90 thru 7/94 CocoNutz 1/05 thru 3/08 Rainbow 7/81 thru 7/91 <---most do not have sortable flags set ROD 4/82 thru 6/90 <---none of these have the sortable flags set The World of 68 Micros 8/93 thru 1/96 It obvious that there is a lot missing. I'm doing 2-6 issues a night, and mixing which issues I do a bit to keep interested. From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 19 12:31:07 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:31:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <07BB860985DC4EEF91B5D4C5A6A5541A@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <07BB860985DC4EEF91B5D4C5A6A5541A@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <014E2268C8C94EE39766F0E51CCC62B1@Dell3Gig> I just realized I'm missing the August 1994 issue of the BUG newsletter. Its not on Malted. Anyone have that scanned so I can put it in the database? Plus, I'd like my collection to be complete. I've found the BUG newsletter to be highly informative. Rodger Alexander did an outstanding job keeping the quality and content to a very high standard over the four years it was published. From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 19 13:18:59 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:18:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <014E2268C8C94EE39766F0E51CCC62B1@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><07BB860985DC4EEF91B5D4C5A6A5541A@Dell3Gig> <014E2268C8C94EE39766F0E51CCC62B1@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: Whoops, that was FIVE years it was published. My bad. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Paul Fitch > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:31 PM > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' > Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes > > I just realized I'm missing the August 1994 issue of the BUG > newsletter. > Its not on Malted. Anyone have that scanned so I can put it > in the database? Plus, I'd like my collection to be > complete. I've found the BUG newsletter to be highly > informative. Rodger Alexander did an outstanding job keeping > the quality and content to a very high standard over the four > years it was published. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From shadow at shadowgard.com Mon Jul 20 19:01:17 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:01:17 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <2B344E46280848D2BC66696E01EC4C4A@massey.ac.nz> References: , <2B344E46280848D2BC66696E01EC4C4A@massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <4A6494CD.23333.5835CE6@shadow.shadowgard.com> It's been sitting in storage for 20+ years. You can have it for shipping from Portland Oregon. I'd rather it go to someone who can use it than wind up in a dumpster. -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From asa.rand at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 20:57:20 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <4A6494CD.23333.5835CE6@shadow.shadowgard.com> References: , <2B344E46280848D2BC66696E01EC4C4A@massey.ac.nz> <4A6494CD.23333.5835CE6@shadow.shadowgard.com> Message-ID: <725375.41527.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If I could afford the shipping, I'd take it. Unfortunately, money is too tight right now. :( Wayne ________________________________ From: "shadow at shadowgard.com" To: TRS-80 at yahoogroups.com Cc: trs80club at yahoogroups.com; ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com; tandy1000 at yahoogroups.com; trs80 at cs.ubc.ca Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:01:17 PM Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available It's been sitting in storage for 20+ years. You can have it for shipping from Portland Oregon. I'd rather it go to someone who can use it than wind up in a dumpster. -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 20 21:07:14 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <725375.41527.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: , <2B344E46280848D2BC66696E01EC4C4A@massey.ac.nz><4A6494CD.23333.5835CE6@shadow.shadowgard.com> <725375.41527.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30CB67C1C982436396EF04F75775A3EF@Dell3Gig> Without the little pens it uses, I'm not sure its any good. I had one of those way back when. It was a cool little printer. But I remember the only place to get the pens was RS, and 1/2 the time, the dang things were dry when I open the package. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:57 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available > > If I could afford the shipping, I'd take it. Unfortunately, > money is too tight right now. :( > > Wayne > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "shadow at shadowgard.com" > To: TRS-80 at yahoogroups.com > Cc: trs80club at yahoogroups.com; ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com; > tandy1000 at yahoogroups.com; trs80 at cs.ubc.ca > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:01:17 PM > Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available > > It's been sitting in storage for 20+ years. You can have it > for shipping from Portland Oregon. > > I'd rather it go to someone who can use it than wind up in a dumpster. > > -- > Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) > shadow at shadowgard dot com > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 21:13:41 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:13:41 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available References: , <2B344E46280848D2BC66696E01EC4C4A@massey.ac.nz><4A6494CD.23333.5835CE6@shadow.shadowgard.com><725375.41527.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <30CB67C1C982436396EF04F75775A3EF@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <0AADA8346104425B8216D3684B69E4C6@master> Paul, You're thinking of the CGP-115. The 220 is an inkjet. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Fitch" To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available > Without the little pens it uses, I'm not sure its any good. > > I had one of those way back when. It was a cool little printer. But I > remember the only place to get the pens was RS, and 1/2 the time, the dang > things were dry when I open the package. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com >> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell >> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:57 PM >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available >> >> If I could afford the shipping, I'd take it. Unfortunately, >> money is too tight right now. :( >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "shadow at shadowgard.com" >> To: TRS-80 at yahoogroups.com >> Cc: trs80club at yahoogroups.com; ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com; >> tandy1000 at yahoogroups.com; trs80 at cs.ubc.ca >> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:01:17 PM >> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available >> >> It's been sitting in storage for 20+ years. You can have it >> for shipping from Portland Oregon. >> >> I'd rather it go to someone who can use it than wind up in a dumpster. >> >> -- >> Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) >> shadow at shadowgard dot com >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From brucewcalkins at charter.net Mon Jul 20 21:55:46 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:55:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available References: , <2B344E46280848D2BC66696E01EC4C4A@massey.ac.nz><4A6494CD.23333.5835CE6@shadow.shadowgard.com><725375.41527.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com><30CB67C1C982436396EF04F75775A3EF@Dell3Gig> <0AADA8346104425B8216D3684B69E4C6@master> Message-ID: <6A00AFD10EB94D8AB616AD1B8C8FDDD3@speedy> > It's been sitting in storage for 20+ years. You can have it > for shipping from Portland Oregon. > > Leonard Erickson ======================================== I sitting on two and a Canon 1030A. The only thing I need for them are the ink cartridges. Without them they are little more than boat anchors. Bruce W. From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 20:50:02 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available Message-ID: <734453.63796.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> What is it? (plese pardon my ignorence) From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 02:57:45 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:57:45 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available References: <734453.63796.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8486C85757634A998F95D526097CC309@master> The CGP-220 is a Canon 1030A Inkjet printer which was re-badged for Radio Shack/Tandy. I'd imagine that ink tanks are made of unobtanium now. Are they refillable? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available > What is it? (plese pardon my ignorence) > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From shadow at shadowgard.com Tue Jul 21 04:34:02 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:34:02 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <734453.63796.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <734453.63796.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A651B0A.5079.791C7B7@shadow.shadowgard.com> On 20 Jul 2009 at 17:50, KB wrote: > What is it? (plese pardon my ignorence) Ancient color inkjet printer. There was a screen print program for it for the Coco (I likely egven have a copy buried in storage somewhere). -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From brucewcalkins at charter.net Tue Jul 21 06:10:29 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:10:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available References: <734453.63796.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <8486C85757634A998F95D526097CC309@master> Message-ID: <26093BCADF78410E9535399105702707@speedy> > The CGP-220 is a Canon 1030A Inkjet printer which was re-badged for Radio > Shack/Tandy. The Tandy version also had a serial input port which the Canon lacked. They also use roll paper. I do recall running sheet paper through, one page at a time. > I'd imagine that ink tanks are made of unobtanium now. I've been looking for better than a decade now without any luck. I get a link now and then that leads to something else entirely. > Are they refillable? I suspect that they might be, but I have not tried that yet. I am not sure the ink is a standard formulation either. > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Bruce W. From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 21 09:48:36 2009 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:48:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <8486C85757634A998F95D526097CC309@master> References: <734453.63796.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <8486C85757634A998F95D526097CC309@master> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:57:45 +1000, "Bob Devries" had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >The CGP-220 is a Canon 1030A Inkjet printer which was re-badged for Radio >Shack/Tandy. > >I'd imagine that ink tanks are made of unobtanium now. Are they refillable? > They should be refillable, you just have to be carefull not to puncture the bag. The cartridge is also where the waste ink goes, the pad in there might fill up one day. -- Stephen I can read your mind, and you should be ashamed of yourself. From keeper63 at cox.net Tue Jul 21 11:17:54 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:17:54 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A65DC22.3030600@cox.net> I have one of those, too - it was my first printer; my parents bought it for me for schoolwork (my uncle gave me a copy of Color Scripsit). I still have, the case is yellow with "age" (yeah I know about the restoration procedure using oxyclean, peroxide and UV), the ink packs are long dried out. I keep it mostly out of nostalgia, I think. I keep imagining I will one day pull it out and get it working again (even fill the tanks with new ink). -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From asa.rand at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 12:21:44 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] progress Message-ID: <76229.34407.qm@web53701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have made good progress on decoding the I-Code to DCom. I have many modules to decode, but I already have most of the tokens identified, and the rest of the structure is becoming more clear all the time. I have started work on the Programming section of the CoCo Wiki, but it will be a long slow process there. Until I have more to put there, there isn't much I can add. However, if anyone has anything pertaining to programming the CoCo, RSDOS based or OS-9 based, there is a section now to add your input in. I'll post as I have more to report. Wayne Campbell From tjseagrove at writeme.com Tue Jul 21 12:34:46 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:34:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] progress In-Reply-To: <76229.34407.qm@web53701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <76229.34407.qm@web53701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f401ca0a21$28d09fc0$7a71df40$@com> Thanks for preserving a bit of computer history for future generations... That goes for everyone who is doing bits here and there to preserve this corner of computer history. Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:22 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] progress I have made good progress on decoding the I-Code to DCom. I have many modules to decode, but I already have most of the tokens identified, and the rest of the structure is becoming more clear all the time. I have started work on the Programming section of the CoCo Wiki, but it will be a long slow process there. Until I have more to put there, there isn't much I can add. However, if anyone has anything pertaining to programming the CoCo, RSDOS based or OS-9 based, there is a section now to add your input in. I'll post as I have more to report. Wayne Campbell -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2249 - Release Date: 07/21/09 05:58:00 From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 12:03:35 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available Message-ID: <643204.83565.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> ill take it if i had a floppy drive. Can't i just use the print-#2? If so, Ill take it! From wschaub at steubentech.com Tue Jul 21 15:58:02 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Symphony Message-ID: <4A661DCA.20800@steubentech.com> Has someone archived Color Symphony yet? I have a copy that I have recently made a .dsk image of. I do not have the manual or all of the 25 or so songs that supposedly came with it. but it does run and play the few songs I do have. I would be glad to put it up someplace for download if anyone is interested. also if anyone has a manual for the software I would like to get a copy so I can edit songs as well as just play them. From shadow at shadowgard.com Tue Jul 21 15:57:30 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:57:30 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <643204.83565.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <643204.83565.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A65BB3A.26319.A05FC84@shadow.shadowgard.com> On 21 Jul 2009 at 9:03, KB wrote: > ill take it if i had a floppy drive. Can't i just use the print-#2? If so, Ill take it! For text, sure. You'd need to write a program to dump graphics to it. Or find a copy of the old Radio Shack program that did just that. Warning, we are talking about close to 15 lbs of printer and packing. -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 20:13:33 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available Message-ID: <855086.18680.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Sure!!! I need some ink please! And a quote! --- On Tue, 7/21/09, shadow at shadowgard.com wrote: From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 00:55:07 2009 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:55:07 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <855086.18680.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, KB wrote: > > Sure!!! I need some ink please! And a quote! > > --- On Tue, 7/21/09, shadow at ... wrote: I think someone missed the comment on the ink being unobtainium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium From shadow at shadowgard.com Wed Jul 22 01:22:46 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:22:46 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <855086.18680.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <855086.18680.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A663FB6.16137.C0D8407@shadow.shadowgard.com> On 21 Jul 2009 at 17:13, KB wrote: > Sure!!! I need some ink please! And a quote! No idea where you'd get ink. To quote shipping, I'd need to know at least your zip code. Also, there's someone else who responded first. -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Wed Jul 22 12:11:13 2009 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Coco] EEPROMs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818429@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> When the company I work for moved, I got to raid the dumpster. I have a number of EPROMs from various manufacturers. Most of them are UV-erasable, and most of them have been programmed. The price is roughly 1/2 of what Jameco charges as of this morning, and does NOT include shipping nor handling (packaging). I am open to reasonable offers. --Rich Here is what I am trying to get rid of: Qty....Type............Price ---------------------------- 031....2716............$3.00 360....2732............$3.00 052....27C64...........$2.00 014....27C64*..........$2.00 039....27C128..........$3.00 394....27C256..........$1.50 312....27C512..........$2.00 128....27C010**........$3.00 044....27C020**........$3.00 024....27C020-OTP**....$3.00 009....27C040**........$3.00 041....29C040**........$5.00 *Nat'l Semi -- had a different programming voltage. ** Mfr's numbers can be 27C0#0 or 27C#001 From jan80 at scarlet.be Wed Jul 22 13:30:29 2009 From: jan80 at scarlet.be (Jan Vanden Bossche) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:30:29 +0200 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009001ca0af2$1bfcdbc0$0c01a8c0@picard> I thought that the CGP-220 had a Canon engine, and that some Canon cartridges were compatible with it. Can you confirm/deny? I have a CGP-220 in storage also, hence the question. I could try to fill them again, of course. Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus Jan-80 -----Original Message----- From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Diffendaffer Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:55 AM To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Color Computer] CGP-220 available --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, KB wrote: > > Sure!!! I need some ink please! And a quote! > > --- On Tue, 7/21/09, shadow at ... wrote: I think someone missed the comment on the ink being unobtainium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium From blackwolfe at charter.net Wed Jul 22 13:53:59 2009 From: blackwolfe at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available References: <009001ca0af2$1bfcdbc0$0c01a8c0@picard> Message-ID: > I thought that the CGP-220 had a Canon engine, and that some > Canon cartridges were compatible with it. Can you confirm/deny? > I have a CGP-220 in storage also, hence the question. > > Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus > Jan-80 =========================================== I have been seaking cartridges for the Tandy CGP-220 or it's near twin the Canon 1040A for over a decade without success. If anybody finds a source I would like to know. Bruce W. From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 15:11:54 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available Message-ID: <749367.85604.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ok, 31909. Paper? From blackwolfe at charter.net Wed Jul 22 16:34:07 2009 From: blackwolfe at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:34:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available References: <749367.85604.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6FC208B1283446A9A2ED68F4594246FF@speedy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB" > Ok, 31909. Paper? > > ------------------------------------ Sort of special 8.5 inch wide roll paper. I have feed it standard sheet paper. Bruce W. From smostrom7 at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 18:06:20 2009 From: smostrom7 at comcast.net (Steve Ostrom) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:06:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Color Symphony In-Reply-To: <4A661DCA.20800@steubentech.com> References: <4A661DCA.20800@steubentech.com> Message-ID: <399A62BFAC0748D0875B892D2E463DA5@OstromPC> Color Symphony is a program I have never heard of before. Do you know who produced it? Sounds interesting. -- Steve -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Schaub" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: [Coco] Color Symphony > Has someone archived Color Symphony yet? I have a copy that I have > recently made a .dsk image of. I do not have the manual or all of the 25 > or so songs that supposedly came with it. but it does run and play the few > songs I do have. > > I would be glad to put it up someplace for download if anyone is > interested. also if anyone has a manual for the software I would like to > get a copy so I can edit songs as well as just play them. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From johnstrong at hotmail.com Wed Jul 22 19:38:29 2009 From: johnstrong at hotmail.com (John Strong) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo3 graphic file formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Working on some ideas for the next fest, can ayone point me to docs on .mge, .cm3 , etc. graphic file formats for the coco3 John Strong StrongWare EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 20:40:14 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available Message-ID: <337863.33550.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Alrighty then! Let's get this printer on the road! From neilsmorr at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 21:29:51 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:29:51 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <749367.85604.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I suggest you folks take this private. Neil --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, KB wrote: > > Ok, 31909. Paper? From shadow at shadowgard.com Wed Jul 22 23:04:41 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:04:41 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available In-Reply-To: <749367.85604.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <749367.85604.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6770D9.25700.10BA1968@shadow.shadowgard.com> On 22 Jul 2009 at 12:11, KB wrote: > Ok, 31909. Paper? Too late, the other guy has sent payment.. -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 22 23:06:42 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Question CGP-220 ink packs Message-ID: <4A67D3C2.2010806@sbcglobal.net> I did a quick search using CGP-220 ink and some ink manufacture or refill companies came up. One of them ABCCO.NET had the BC-02 pack for sale. Since I don't have mine from long ago. Would someone check those out and tell us if that company is legit or not? -- Brian Goers Glenside Computer Club Vice President of Special Events From adit at nationsdial.com Thu Jul 23 00:23:47 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:23:47 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <014E2268C8C94EE39766F0E51CCC62B1@Dell3Gig> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig> <07BB860985DC4EEF91B5D4C5A6A5541A@Dell3Gig> <014E2268C8C94EE39766F0E51CCC62B1@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <0EFA1FD1-AC86-4C8E-81DE-F18240079B46@nationsdial.com> On Jul 19, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Paul Fitch wrote: > I just realized I'm missing the August 1994 issue of the BUG > newsletter. > Its not on Malted. Anyone have that scanned so I can put it in the > database? Plus, I'd like my collection to be complete. I've found > the BUG > newsletter to be highly informative. Rodger Alexander did an > outstanding > job keeping the quality and content to a very high standard over > the four > years it was published. > > Paul, I'm afraid that the Aug '94 issue is missing. I did the scanning and apparently I'm the only person in the CoCo community who actually has any of the physical magazines (at least no one has ever admitted to having any.) BTW, the last issue should have an index for all the issues. BUG also published an OS-9 tutorial as well. Dean From brucewcalkins at charter.net Thu Jul 23 06:42:42 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:42:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Question CGP-220 ink packs References: <4A67D3C2.2010806@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > I did a quick search using CGP-220 ink and some ink manufacture or > refill companies came up. One of them ABCCO.NET had the BC-02 pack for > sale. Since I don't have mine from long ago. Would someone check those > out and tell us if that company is legit or not? > > -- > Brian Goers ================================================== The BC-02 fits my Canon BJ-200EX printers. There is little similarity in the cartridges to the Tandy CGP-220. Bruce W. From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 12:45:18 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CGP-220 available Message-ID: <445620.69696.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yarg! Well, Ill? wait for one to turn up in a thrift store. That's how I got my computer, anyway. From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Jul 23 15:53:51 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:53:51 -0600 Subject: [Coco] vef spec was Re: CoCo3 graphic file formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090723195351.GA28340@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 07:38:29PM -0400, John Strong wrote: > > Working on some ideas for the next fest, can ayone point me to docs > on .mge, .cm3 , etc. Here's the official word on .vef, from the MVCanvas docs, by Mike Haaland of Hyper-Tech Software, 1989, updated 03/22/90. He says: FILE FORMAT ---------------- NOTE: "char" below refers to a Byte. VEF picture format: A two byte VEF Header. Header Values are in Hexadecimal Standard Squashed Screen Type Screen size Colors ------------------------------------------------------- 0000 8000 08 320x200 16 0001 8001 07 640x200 4 0003 8003 06 320x200 4 0004 8004 05 640x200 2 16 bytes palette information Picture Data: ---------------- If picture is a Standard (UnCompressed) VEF Raw Data -- just put it on the screen If picture is compressed (Squashed) char len; Number of bytes to read and decode to restore 1/2 scan line of screen data. 1/2 scan line is 80 bytes on a type 7 or 8 screen, 40 bytes on types 5 or 6 screen. (40 and 80 are Decimal values) char count; compressed/uncompressed byte count if data is compressed: char data; if data is uncompressed: char data[count]; The header data will only be found once at the beginning of the file. Now to decode the Compressed Data. Read the first byte and call it len. It's the length of the compressed 1/2 scan line. Now read 'len' bytes into an array. All we have to do now is to decode the data we just read into the buffer. Get the first byte in the buffer and see if the high bit is set. It's our 'count' byte. If the high bit is set it's compressed. Now subtract 128 from our 'count' (clear the high bit) and put the next byte in the buffer 'count' times. If the high bit is not set, get the next 'count' bytes from the buffer and put them on the screen. This continues until you've used 'len' bytes that are in the buffer. When the buffer has been decoded, read the next 'len' byte from the file and do it again. This will be repeated 400 times in the file. For compressed data: -------------------------- (In Decimal) char count, 1 to 127 - High bit set - means its compressed data; this will be the screen data, put it on the screen 'count' times. For uncompressed data: -------------------------- (In Decimal) char count, 1 to 127 - Uncompressed number of bytes to follow. data[count]; Willard says: That's it! I've only dealt with uncompressed VEFs myself. -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Jul 23 16:04:13 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:04:13 -0600 Subject: [Coco] CoCo3 graphic file formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090723200413.GB28340@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 07:38:29PM -0400, John Strong wrote: > > Working on some ideas for the next fest, can ayone point me to docs > on .mge, .cm3 , etc. I got a rare one for you! .hr0 .hr1 .hr2 .hr3 I only know of one other person who ever used this... :-) HR files are bitmap graphic files of the CoCo 3 type 8 screen (320x200x16) produced by a simple routine, shown in the included hisave.bas & hiload.bas files. Since the CoCo 3 hi-res graphics screens aren't in BASIC's memory, these routines work by using the GIME's MMU functions to map the consecutive 8K blocks of the screen into BASIC memory, then savem's the individual block. The result is 4 8K files, each in the usual CoCo .bin file format. The loader works the same way, mapping in one of the 8K blocks of graphics RAM and loadm-ing the appropriate file into that block. The result is 4 files, each 10 bytes longer than 8K (the size of the .bin header & footer). If the file is named TANK, the results are TANK.HR0, TANK.HR1, TANK.HR2, & TANK.HR3. 5 'HILOAD copyright 1989 Falsoft & Bill Burnico 10 INPUT"NAME:";N$ 20 INPUT"HSCREEN#";H 30 HSCREENH 40 FORI=&H70TO&H73 50 POKE&HFFA2,I 60 F$=N$+"/HR"+CHR$(I-64) 70 LOADMF$ 80 NEXTI 90 POKE&HFFA2,&H7A 5 'HISAVE copyright 1989 Falsoft & Bill Burnico 10 INPUT"NAME:";N$ 20 FORI=&H70TO&H73 30 POKE&HFFA2,I 40 F$=N$+"/HR"+CHR$(I-64) 50 SAVEMF$,&H4000,&H5FFF,44539 60 NEXTI 70 POKE6HFFA2,&H7A -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From my8bitters at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 17:19:20 2009 From: my8bitters at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:19:20 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] country blocked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6de09fa40907231419p3b9a9a74j776dd288c1a1d1bd@mail.gmail.com> I recommend KeePass - generates very difficult passwords. Neil On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:51 AM, James Diffendaffer wrote: > Everyone should make sure they use a password that combines at least > letters (upper and lower case) and numbers. Avoid passwords that have ever > been compromised on other sites as well since those get traded around once > they get stolen. > From farna at att.net Thu Jul 23 19:45:41 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:45:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: Graphics tablet instead of mouse? Message-ID: <4A68F625.6090304@att.net> I don't belong to any other "computer geek" groups, so hope no one minds this question too much. I was looking for a touch pad to use with a computer (let's pretend I'm going to run a CoCo emulator on it...) instead of a mouse due mainly to space restrictions. Couldn't find one (didn't look real hard...), but did run across some rather cheap ($20) 4x3" graphics pads (http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WP4030&cat=MOU). The working are is 4x3, the pad is actually about 6x5", just a little smaller than a mouse pad, but then the cords not dragging around and such. Anyone used something similar in place of a mouse? The description says "all mouse functions". I've found an article or two alluding to using one in place of a mouse, but nothing direct. Most are in reference to photo editing, which isn't what I want to do. One did mention that it was good for carpal tunnel sufferers as there was less wrist movement (but more arm movement). If you don't want to continue this thread on the CoCo List by all means send me an e-mail instead! -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 23 21:09:11 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:09:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: Graphics tablet instead of mouse? In-Reply-To: <4A68F625.6090304@att.net> References: <4A68F625.6090304@att.net> Message-ID: <201F5A518BCF4A2381A79468E1169B88@Dell3Gig> Frank, check this webpage out. I've used these in the past, when they were new and exciting, and they work well enough. I just found I had move control using a wireless mouse. http://www.cirque.com/desktoptouchpad/touchpad-mouse-overview.aspx > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:46 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] OT: Graphics tablet instead of mouse? > > I don't belong to any other "computer geek" groups, so hope > no one minds this question too much. > > I was looking for a touch pad to use with a computer (let's > pretend I'm going to run a CoCo emulator on it...) instead of > a mouse due mainly to space restrictions. Couldn't find one > (didn't look real hard...), but did run across some rather > cheap ($20) 4x3" graphics pads > (http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WP4030&cat=MOU). The > working are is 4x3, the pad is actually about 6x5", just a > little smaller than a mouse pad, but then the cords not > dragging around and such. > > Anyone used something similar in place of a mouse? The > description says "all mouse functions". I've found an article > or two alluding to using one in place of a mouse, but nothing > direct. Most are in reference to photo editing, which isn't > what I want to do. One did mention that it was good for > carpal tunnel sufferers as there was less wrist movement (but > more arm movement). > > If you don't want to continue this thread on the CoCo List by > all means send me an e-mail instead! > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" > Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From aawolfe at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 22:21:03 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:21:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: Graphics tablet instead of mouse? In-Reply-To: <4A68F625.6090304@att.net> References: <4A68F625.6090304@att.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Frank Swygert wrote: > I don't belong to any other "computer geek" groups, so hope no one minds > this question too much. > > I was looking for a touch pad to use with a computer (let's pretend I'm > going to run a CoCo emulator on it...) instead of a mouse due mainly to > space restrictions. Couldn't find one (didn't look real hard...), but did > run across some rather cheap ($20) 4x3" graphics pads ( > http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WP4030&cat=MOU). The working are > is 4x3, the pad is actually about 6x5", just a little smaller than a mouse > pad, but then the cords not dragging around and such. > > Anyone used something similar in place of a mouse? The description says > "all mouse functions". I've found an article or two alluding to using one in > place of a mouse, but nothing direct. Most are in reference to photo > editing, which isn't what I want to do. One did mention that it was good for > carpal tunnel sufferers as there was less wrist movement (but more arm > movement). > I use a trackball for similar reasons (uses little space on the desk, helps with carpal tunnel/wrist fatigue). Most trackballs are god-awful, but the Kensington Expert Mouse is absolutely wonderful. Its the kind of thing you either love or hate I think. > > If you don't want to continue this thread on the CoCo List by all means > send me an e-mail instead! > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Fri Jul 24 09:13:19 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:13:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907141056.18574.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907141042.57887.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <200907141056.18574.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907240913.20175.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Tuesday 14 July 2009 10:56:18 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 14 July 2009, richec wrote: > >Hi Gene, > > > >What is the ".ar" extension? I tired to use Ark to extract COCOKA9Q and it > >didn't know what to do with it. TIA > > That is the name of the compressor that was used for smunching files back > in those days. There are, or were, versions for ar-1.2 and ar-1.3 & maybe > ar-1.5 on rtsi. If not, I think I can probably find a copy and put it in > the nitros9 tree of my web page. > > >Also I loaded rar into the system and it did not jump on it either. > > All of those are geared for more efficient, but more cpu intensive methods. > > >Richard > > > >-- > >Coco mailing list > >Coco at maltedmedia.com > >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Ok... "I see the light now" said the blind carpenter who got his hammer and saw, we were talking about an OS-9 proggy... right? Thank you From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Fri Jul 24 09:25:46 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:25:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907141503.14267.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907141049.33564.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <200907141503.14267.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> > >,snip> > >Shhhhhh.... That's what I do... don't let my students know what they do > > not know 8-) > > Chuckle, but how many of them are subscribed to a mailing list for a 28 > year old computer? I think I'm pretty safe. And you, I've seen on this > list clear back in the Princeton days I believe. > > Someone could make a similar remark about what I've done over the last 60 > years, and you would be right. But some of those ex employers _still_ > think I can walk on water. Who am I to correct them? > > It sure makes me feel good though. :) > > It still brings a grin to my face 32 years later when the arthritis is > yelling at me from every joint, to recall a paramed who was giving me a > physical in '77 to see if I was worth a $50k life policy I'd asked for to > go with the office door that (for the first time) said "Chief Engineer", > and when I thought he was about done, asked me to take off my shoes. I > said "What's my flat feet got to do with this?" He replied "Nothing, but > I've been told you could walk on water and I wanted to see if your feet > were webbed." I got a good belly laugh out of that, said "Some folks are > easily impressed." & then showed him that they aren't of course. :) Will, I have been a CoCo user since 1984, and I have immensely enjoyed this mailing list and the old Princeton m/l over the years. While we both know there was only one who really walked on water, I have greatly appreciated reading your techincal and non-technical responses on this list. As for the 28 year old computer, I actually bring it to the college and hook it up to an over head, thanks to Roy Justis, to show the students what a really good 1980s OS could do with 512k when IBM PCs could only dream of multitasking. Cheers From wschaub at steubentech.com Fri Jul 24 10:11:51 2009 From: wschaub at steubentech.com (William Schaub) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Symphony In-Reply-To: <399A62BFAC0748D0875B892D2E463DA5@OstromPC> References: <4A661DCA.20800@steubentech.com> <399A62BFAC0748D0875B892D2E463DA5@OstromPC> Message-ID: <4A69C127.6030901@steubentech.com> Just grab the disk image here. It lists the authors name on the startup screen. and there is a basic program that scrolls some info about the program included as well. it states that it is free software. you can download the .dsk image here. http://steubentech.com/~talon/coco Steve Ostrom wrote: > Color Symphony is a program I have never heard of before. Do you know > who produced it? Sounds interesting. > > -- Steve -- > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Schaub" > > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:58 PM > Subject: [Coco] Color Symphony > > >> Has someone archived Color Symphony yet? I have a copy that I have >> recently made a .dsk image of. I do not have the manual or all of the >> 25 or so songs that supposedly came with it. but it does run and play >> the few songs I do have. >> >> I would be glad to put it up someplace for download if anyone is >> interested. also if anyone has a manual for the software I would like >> to get a copy so I can edit songs as well as just play them. >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Fri Jul 24 11:10:22 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:10:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: Graphics tablet instead of mouse? In-Reply-To: <4A68F625.6090304@att.net> References: <4A68F625.6090304@att.net> Message-ID: <200907241110.22254.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Thursday 23 July 2009 19:45:41 Frank Swygert wrote: > I don't belong to any other "computer geek" groups, so hope no one minds > this question too much. > > I was looking for a touch pad to use with a computer (let's pretend I'm > going to run a CoCo emulator on it...) instead of a mouse due mainly to > space restrictions. Couldn't find one (didn't look real hard...), but > did run across some rather cheap ($20) 4x3" graphics pads > (http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WP4030&cat=MOU). The working > are is 4x3, the pad is actually about 6x5", just a little smaller than a > mouse pad, but then the cords not dragging around and such. > > Anyone used something similar in place of a mouse? The description says > "all mouse functions". I've found an article or two alluding to using > one in place of a mouse, but nothing direct. Most are in reference to > photo editing, which isn't what I want to do. One did mention that it > was good for carpal tunnel sufferers as there was less wrist movement > (but more arm movement). > > If you don't want to continue this thread on the CoCo List by all means > send me an e-mail instead! Have you considered a trackball? From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jul 24 11:28:34 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907240913.20175.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200907141056.18574.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907240913.20175.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <200907241128.35122.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 24 July 2009, richec wrote: >On Tuesday 14 July 2009 10:56:18 Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Tuesday 14 July 2009, richec wrote: >> >Hi Gene, >> > >> >What is the ".ar" extension? I tired to use Ark to extract COCOKA9Q and >> > it didn't know what to do with it. TIA >> >> That is the name of the compressor that was used for smunching files back >> in those days. There are, or were, versions for ar-1.2 and ar-1.3 & maybe >> ar-1.5 on rtsi. If not, I think I can probably find a copy and put it in >> the nitros9 tree of my web page. >> >> >Also I loaded rar into the system and it did not jump on it either. >> >> All of those are geared for more efficient, but more cpu intensive >> methods. >> >> >Richard >> > >> >-- >> >Coco mailing list >> >Coco at maltedmedia.com >> >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > Ok... "I see the light now" said the blind carpenter who got his hammer and >saw, we were talking about an OS-9 proggy... right? > Yes Richard. I guess that detail escaped me, mainly because to me it was a given. I used to turn it on, and type dos long before the tube monitor was warmed up, so I rarely saw the color cycling rsbasic cursor. Now, with a tc^3 scsi controller and hdb-dos, it's automatic from the hd, or I can override it to boot from a floppy which has newer bootfiles on it. >Thank you > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. FORTRAN is the language of Powerful Computers. -- Steven Feiner From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jul 24 11:43:53 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:43:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200907141503.14267.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 24 July 2009, richec wrote: >> >,snip> >> >Shhhhhh.... That's what I do... don't let my students know what they do >> > not know 8-) >> >> Chuckle, but how many of them are subscribed to a mailing list for a 28 >> year old computer? I think I'm pretty safe. And you, I've seen on this >> list clear back in the Princeton days I believe. >> >> Someone could make a similar remark about what I've done over the last 60 >> years, and you would be right. But some of those ex employers _still_ >> think I can walk on water. Who am I to correct them? >> >> It sure makes me feel good though. :) >> >> It still brings a grin to my face 32 years later when the arthritis is >> yelling at me from every joint, to recall a paramed who was giving me a >> physical in '77 to see if I was worth a $50k life policy I'd asked for to >> go with the office door that (for the first time) said "Chief Engineer", >> and when I thought he was about done, asked me to take off my shoes. I >> said "What's my flat feet got to do with this?" He replied "Nothing, but >> I've been told you could walk on water and I wanted to see if your feet >> were webbed." I got a good belly laugh out of that, said "Some folks are >> easily impressed." & then showed him that they aren't of course. :) > >Will, I have been a CoCo user since 1984, and I have immensely enjoyed this >mailing list and the old Princeton m/l over the years. While we both know >there was only one who really walked on water, I have greatly appreciated >reading your techincal and non-technical responses on this list. > Actually, weren't there two? I believe Peter did one time also. >As for the 28 year old computer, I actually bring it to the college and hook >it up to an over head, thanks to Roy Justis, to show the students what a >really good 1980s OS could do with 512k when IBM PCs could only dream of >multitasking. And os9 could do it better than the Redmond versions can do yet I believe. And one of the things that even amigados 3.9 still couldn't do, was sector by sector file locking. I could start the assembler building a longer program, and my vfy would be a good example, switch windows and do a list of the listing file the assembler was generating, and it would dutifully follow the assemblers output, waiting for the lock on the next sector to be released, so it could be read and displayed. There was a very narrow time window where the write lock was released before the next sector was locked, but in all my years on the coco, I can only say that list actually passed the assembler and read garbage 2 times. Out of thousands of times I actually did that, watching for errors and getting them grokked much quicker that way. Now of course, the linux machines are so much quicker that this argument is moot. But it sure helped, a lot, when I was coding on the coco3. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Creditor, n.: A man who has a better memory than a debtor. From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Fri Jul 24 12:59:21 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:59:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> > > Actually, weren't there two? I believe Peter did one time also. > Touche.. ya go tme on that one 8-) I was just beginning to learn CoCo assembler when I became side tracked with the Amiga. Never tried it on the Amiga. Amiga BASIC seemed brain damaged compared to the CoCo so I stopped that too. Then when AOS2 came out, AmigeBASIC was broken so that as they say ended that. I do want to begin on learning CoCo assembler again, but time is not on my side at the moment. The job is getting in the way 8-) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jul 24 13:57:38 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:57:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <200907241357.38918.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 24 July 2009, richec wrote: >> >> Actually, weren't there two? I believe Peter did one time also. >> > >Touche.. ya go tme on that one 8-) > >I was just beginning to learn CoCo assembler when I became side tracked with >the Amiga. Never tried it on the Amiga. Amiga BASIC seemed brain damaged >compared to the CoCo so I stopped that too. Then when AOS2 came out, >AmigeBASIC was broken so that as they say ended that. > AOS2 started using full 32 bit addressing, and that broke the microsoft written basic in to little bitty pieces. Microsoft had been told that they should not use the upper 8 bits as data storage, but they did anyway cuz the machines were so darned cramped for memory as shipped. So the instant you tried to run that basic on a cpu with a full 32 bit bondout, blowup city. That was any cpu in the 68k family greater than the 68000. AOS2 & bigger faster cpus from the aftermarket folks wrapped around then in State College PA were that basics death sentence. And most of us figured that was just one more brick in the wall of evidence confirming that M$ was a 2 bit company that couldn't stand 1 bit of competition. Still can't. Everything that someone subcontracted to them that I know about was poisoned by similar tactics and probably explains, if truth be known, why the Microsoft written original rsdos/rsbasic, was subsequently patched for the coco3 by the 3 musketeers, who I believe were then employed by MicroWare at the time. >I do want to begin on learning CoCo assembler again, but time is not on my >side at the moment. The job is getting in the way 8-) It is still an excellent teacher, showing students the basics of how an assembler works. ======================== Microsoft has made 2 code releases under the gpl2 license recently, both driven by their being caught with their collective fingers in the gpl cookie jar. Court decisions upholding that license over the last few years seems to have taught M$ that if they were sued, and it was coming to that, that they would lose. So they did the only thing they could do and released what they stole and modified under the gpl2. Then bragged about being the New Microsoft. But looking in the leapord cage, I still see the same old spots. Nice, but the gpl2 does not warrant against patents whereas gpl3 does, so sure as God made little green apples, there are now patent fishhooks buried in the code they release, playing up the good guy part to the hilt. The only linux folks looking at that code right now are the legal types, looking for the fishhooks. I wouldn't touch it with a 20 foot fiberglass pole till the legal's say its clean. That patent warranty in the gpl3 is the main reason the linux kernel is still, and will be till Linus gets hit by a bus, gpl2, without the 'or any later version' clause. Its still a good license. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. A good scapegoat is hard to find. A guilty conscience is the mother of invention. -- Carolyn Wells From asa.rand at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 14:20:41 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Are you referring to 6809 assembler, or OS-9 assembler? I would like to start learning more OS-9 assembler. If you are talking about OS-9, would you be interested in a collaborative effort? I need to learn more about the way Basic09 is written, and my lack of knowledge about assembly programming stands in my way. Wayne ________________________________ richec wrote I do want to begin on learning CoCo assembler again, but time is not on my side at the moment. The job is getting in the way 8-) From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 24 17:28:40 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:28:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net><200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> With basic09 packed into Icode, I'm not sure assembly will help.. Maybe Forth would be batter, as it is a stack based language. I've never played with Forth, but there are OS-9 and Coco versions. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:21 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? > > Are you referring to 6809 assembler, or OS-9 assembler? I > would like to start learning more OS-9 assembler. If you are > talking about OS-9, would you be interested in a > collaborative effort? I need to learn more about the way > Basic09 is written, and my lack of knowledge about assembly > programming stands in my way. > > Wayne > > > > ________________________________ > richec wrote > > I do want to begin on learning CoCo assembler again, but time > is not on my side at the moment. The job is getting in the way 8-) > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Fri Jul 24 18:18:51 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:18:51 -0600 Subject: [Coco] coco magic Message-ID: <20090724221851.GA7188@virgo.sdc.org> I refer, of course, to /etc/magic, the UN*X file that controls the file(1) program. No, my CoCo hasn't started throwing fireballs at me, though it's probably been tempted... ;-) For non-unix nerds, file is sort of like os-9's "ident"'s big brother. Since UNIX doesn't have as strong a tradition of using filename extensions, you'll often end up with a file called foo that you have no idea what kind of file it is. Is it a gif? A program? An archive? File looks inside files for "magic numbers" that are stored in /etc/magic, and can identify the file. For instance, the first bytes of a gif are "GIF8". Further, subtypes can be determined, such as GIF87 or GIF89. Anyway, I've been recording all the CoCo's native file types that I can into a magic file. It already had OS-9 & OSK modules. Admittedly, this is somewhat silly. Most OS-9 data files get file extention stuck on them, so the user can say, yeah, that's a gif, just by looking at the filename! So far, I have: DECB .bin (regular and CTRSDOS) TC3 CUTS ROF ar YM DB9-90 Dynacalc data Color Computer Artist GPLoad VEF BASIC-09 source Level II hlp OS-9 shell script And I'd like to find info on: NitrOS 6309 modules type/language settings 6309 ROF OS-9 Profile Sculptor dshrink mge cm3 Home Publisher clipart Dynacalc spreadsheets Deskmate 3 file formats any other CoCo native disk file formats Things I've learned: One-byte magic number, especialy 0x00, is a lousy magic number! Many Coco file formats consist of a header, data, header, data.... Dispite this, most don't have proper magic numbers that specifically say, "I'm a Color Foobar file". Extra props to Steve Bjork: Color Computer Artist files have VERY good magic! Micro Illustrator files can be turned into regular PMODE 3 images simply by merging a .bin header and footer around the original file. Next time I design a data file format, it will have proper magic numbers! Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From johnstrong at hotmail.com Fri Jul 24 22:34:15 2009 From: johnstrong at hotmail.com (John Strong) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:34:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] vef spec was Re: CoCo3 graphic file formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Willard, Thanks. VEF was one of the "etc" I was interested in. ISTR that MGE also use a RLE format. Know were to get a few VEF files for testing? > Here's the official word on .vef, from the MVCanvas docs, by Mike > Haaland of Hyper-Tech Software, 1989, updated 03/22/90. > > He says: > > FILE FORMAT > ---------------- > > NOTE: "char" below refers to a Byte. > > VEF picture format: > > A two byte VEF Header. Header Values are in Hexadecimal > > Standard Squashed Screen Type Screen size Colors > ------------------------------------------------------- > 0000 8000 08 320x200 16 > 0001 8001 07 640x200 4 > 0003 8003 06 320x200 4 > 0004 8004 05 640x200 2 > > 16 bytes palette information > > Picture Data: > ---------------- > > If picture is a Standard (UnCompressed) VEF > > Raw Data -- just put it on the screen > > If picture is compressed (Squashed) > > char len; Number of bytes to read and decode to restore 1/2 scan > line of screen data. 1/2 scan line is 80 bytes on a > type 7 or 8 screen, 40 bytes on types 5 or 6 screen. > (40 and 80 are Decimal values) > char count; compressed/uncompressed byte count > > if data is compressed: > > char data; > > if data is uncompressed: > > char data[count]; > > The header data will only be found once at the beginning of the file. > > Now to decode the Compressed Data. Read the first byte and call it > len. It's the length of the compressed 1/2 scan line. Now read 'len' > bytes into an array. All we have to do now is to decode the data we > just read into the buffer. Get the first byte in the buffer and see > if the high bit is set. It's our 'count' byte. If the high bit is > set it's compressed. Now subtract 128 from our 'count' (clear the > high bit) and put the next byte in the buffer 'count' times. > > If the high bit is not set, get the next 'count' bytes from the buffer > and put them on the screen. > > This continues until you've used 'len' bytes that are in the buffer. > When the buffer has been decoded, read the next 'len' byte from the > file and do it again. This will be repeated 400 times in the file. > > For compressed data: > -------------------------- > (In Decimal) > char count, 1 to 127 - High bit set - means its compressed > data; this will be the screen data, put it on the screen > 'count' times. > > For uncompressed data: > -------------------------- > (In Decimal) > char count, 1 to 127 - Uncompressed number of bytes to follow. > data[count]; > > > Willard says: That's it! I've only dealt with uncompressed VEFs > myself. > > -- > Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. > -- R.E. Howard > I got a rare one for you! .hr0 .hr1 .hr2 .hr3 Surprisingly I remember seeing this one in Rainbow:) > > I only know of one other person who ever used this... :-) > > HR files are bitmap graphic files of the CoCo 3 type 8 screen > (320x200x16) produced by a simple routine, shown in the included > hisave.bas & hiload.bas files. > > Since the CoCo 3 hi-res graphics screens aren't in BASIC's > memory, these routines work by using the GIME's MMU functions to > map the consecutive 8K blocks of the screen into BASIC memory, > then savem's the individual block. The result is 4 8K files, > each in the usual CoCo .bin file format. The loader works the > same way, mapping in one of the 8K blocks of graphics RAM and > loadm-ing the appropriate file into that block. > > The result is 4 files, each 10 bytes longer than 8K (the size of > the .bin header & footer). If the file is named TANK, the > results are TANK.HR0, TANK.HR1, TANK.HR2, & TANK.HR3. John Strong StrongWare From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 12:38:24 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net><200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> What I meant is that I want to better understand how Basic09 produces the I-Code. There are some things in the I-Code that I am unable to determine the meaning of without knowing how Basic09 is dealing with the data structures as it packs the I-Code. Since Basic09 is written in ASM, I can learn all this by learning to understand the assembler code. I already have a DISASM copy of the assembler code for Basic09 01.01.00. Because all the labels are generic it's already difficult to follow. I used that code to help me create the token list used to build I-Code from. What I don't know is which routine(s) pack the I-Code, which one(s) generate and store the tables that hold the variable reference list, line number reference list, and the procedure parameter reference list (before packing), and any other internal lists that Basic09 creates while in the editor. Wayne ________________________________ From: Paul Fitch To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:28:40 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? With basic09 packed into Icode, I'm not sure assembly will help.. Maybe Forth would be batter, as it is a stack based language. I've never played with Forth, but there are OS-9 and Coco versions. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Campbell > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:21 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? > > Are you referring to 6809 assembler, or OS-9 assembler? I > would like to start learning more OS-9 assembler. If you are > talking about OS-9, would you be interested in a > collaborative effort? I need to learn more about the way > Basic09 is written, and my lack of knowledge about assembly > programming stands in my way. > > Wayne > > > > ________________________________ > richec wrote > > I do want to begin on learning CoCo assembler again, but time > is not on my side at the moment. The job is getting in the way 8-) > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sat Jul 25 16:05:35 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:05:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net><200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> <393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net> Wayne Campbell wrote: > What I meant is that I want to better understand how Basic09 produces the I-Code. There are some things in the I-Code that I am unable to determine the meaning of without knowing how Basic09 is dealing with the data structures as it packs the I-Code. Since Basic09 is written in ASM, I can learn all this by learning to understand the assembler code. > > I already have a DISASM copy of the assembler code for Basic09 01.01.00. Because all the labels are generic it's already difficult to follow. I used that code to help me create the token list used to build I-Code from. What I don't know is which routine(s) pack the I-Code, which one(s) generate and store the tables that hold the variable reference list, line number reference list, and the procedure parameter reference list (before packing), and any other internal lists that Basic09 creates while in the editor. > > Wayne > Your best bet would be to obtain the NitrOS-9 source code for Basic09 and RunB. That is readily obtained from http://nitros9.cvs.sourceforge.net/nitros9/ From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Sat Jul 25 17:15:09 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:15:09 -0600 Subject: [Coco] vef spec was Re: CoCo3 graphic file formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090725211508.GA13437@virgo.sdc.org> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:34:15PM -0400, John Strong wrote: > Thanks. No problem. I'd typed all that up a couple of years ago, when Boisy asked about the VEF format. > > VEF was one of the "etc" I was interested in. Well, it's one of the popular CoCo 3 formats. It's probably THE OS-9 image format. > > Know were to get a few VEF files for testing? Oh, that's a tough one.... Probably the biggest collection is on ftp.maltedmedia.com, in the old princeton/os9 archive. Those will be CUTS encoded, you'll need to poke around a little in the princeton files for your favorite flavor of CUTS decoder (DECB, OS-9, generic C source). I believe there are some VEFs lurking in the NitrOS-9 CVS tree. Give me a day or so to move files across various machines, and I'll put the vefs I have on my homepage at http://www.sdc.org/~goosey/ > > > I got a rare one for you! .hr0 .hr1 .hr2 .hr3 > Surprisingly I remember seeing this one in Rainbow:) AFAIK it's the only way to save a hi-res screen without resorting to assembly. Not a popular format, but I have seen it used in a commercial video game. I hacked it into the BASIC Sample Program "Color Doodle", and used that enough that I eventually wrote a little OS-9 program to convert hr* files into VEFs. And I found another obscure graphics format for you: Micro Illustrator (an OS-9 LI graphics program) files are straight PMODE 3,1 screen dumps. To turn them into BASIC .bin files, just wrap the header and footer onto them: display 00 18 00 0e 00 > binheader display ff 00 00 ad fb > binfooter merge binheader illustratorfile binfooter > file.p31 (view likes it when you stick the .p31 extention onto it, then it knows the file is PMODE3,1) Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 25 17:30:54 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:30:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] vef spec was Re: CoCo3 graphic file formats In-Reply-To: <20090725211508.GA13437@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090725211508.GA13437@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: The Bellingham Users Group Graphics PD disks 1, 2 and 3 have VEF files on them. The .dsk images are located here: ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/USERGROUPS1/INDIVIDUAL/BUG/FILES/BUG1.ZIP > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Willard Goosey > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:15 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] vef spec was Re: CoCo3 graphic file formats > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:34:15PM -0400, John Strong wrote: > > Thanks. > > No problem. I'd typed all that up a couple of years ago, > when Boisy asked about the VEF format. > > > > VEF was one of the "etc" I was interested in. > > Well, it's one of the popular CoCo 3 formats. It's probably > THE OS-9 image format. > > > > Know were to get a few VEF files for testing? > > Oh, that's a tough one.... Probably the biggest collection > is on ftp.maltedmedia.com, in the old princeton/os9 archive. > Those will be CUTS encoded, you'll need to poke around a > little in the princeton files for your favorite flavor of > CUTS decoder (DECB, OS-9, generic C source). > > I believe there are some VEFs lurking in the NitrOS-9 CVS tree. > > Give me a day or so to move files across various machines, > and I'll put the vefs I have on my homepage at > http://www.sdc.org/~goosey/ > > > > > I got a rare one for you! .hr0 .hr1 .hr2 .hr3 > > Surprisingly I remember seeing this one in Rainbow:) > > AFAIK it's the only way to save a hi-res screen without > resorting to assembly. Not a popular format, but I have seen > it used in a commercial video game. I hacked it into the > BASIC Sample Program "Color Doodle", and used that enough > that I eventually wrote a little > OS-9 program to convert hr* files into VEFs. > > And I found another obscure graphics format for you: Micro > Illustrator (an OS-9 LI graphics program) files are straight > PMODE 3,1 screen dumps. To turn them into BASIC .bin files, > just wrap the header and footer onto them: > > display 00 18 00 0e 00 > binheader > display ff 00 00 ad fb > binfooter > merge binheader illustratorfile binfooter > file.p31 > > (view likes it when you stick the .p31 extention onto it, > then it knows the file is PMODE3,1) > > Willard > -- > Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. > -- R.E. Howard > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 20:13:00 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net><200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> <393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for pointing me there. I had looked there before, but couldn't find it. Now I have the source to Basic09 and RunB. ________________________________ From: Robert Gault To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:05:35 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? Wayne Campbell wrote: > What I meant is that I want to better understand how Basic09 produces the I-Code. There are some things in the I-Code that I am unable to determine the meaning of without knowing how Basic09 is dealing with the data structures as it packs the I-Code. Since Basic09 is written in ASM, I can learn all this by learning to understand the assembler code. > > I already have a DISASM copy of the assembler code for Basic09 01.01.00. Because all the labels are generic it's already difficult to follow. I used that code to help me create the token list used to build I-Code from. What I don't know is which routine(s) pack the I-Code, which one(s) generate and store the tables that hold the variable reference list, line number reference list, and the procedure parameter reference list (before packing), and any other internal lists that Basic09 creates while in the editor. > > Wayne > Your best bet would be to obtain the NitrOS-9 source code for Basic09 and RunB. That is readily obtained from http://nitros9.cvs.sourceforge.net/nitros9/ -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 26 06:38:42 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:38:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net><200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig><393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net> <264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5CB56EE407AA4B24B7A9070B2DB44A08@Dell3Gig> I'm inputting the Color Computer Magazine issues into the database, and came across the 128k Bubble Memory hardware project by Dennis Kitsz. Did anyone on this list ever build one? From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Sun Jul 26 07:25:15 2009 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <5CB56EE407AA4B24B7A9070B2DB44A08@Dell3Gig> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> <393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net> <264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5CB56EE407AA4B24B7A9070B2DB44A08@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <200907261125.n6QBPZo7026523@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> At 06:38 AM 7/26/2009, you wrote: >I'm inputting the Color Computer Magazine issues into the database, and came >across the 128k Bubble Memory hardware project by Dennis Kitsz. Did anyone >on this list ever build one? As the author, I may have been the only one. What a story. The bubble memory module was discontinued by the company (Intel was it?) after the article went to print. Here's how it went: We had samples from the company, designed and built the unit, had the boards made, and had a finished and tested unit. I think it went to Jake Commander, who had been writing a Bubble OS for it that would have appeared in a later magazine. We were negotiating a price on these bubble memories (they were really expensive and required weird powering, too) and one Monday morning we called to place our order. The number was disconnected. The entire company division had been shut down over the weekend, and bubble memory manufacturing was ended. So as far as I know, my unit was the only one built -- unless other people had access to the discontinued bubble memory modules. We sold one circuit board, as I recall, and eventually refunded the purchase. We sold our small sample kits of bubbles and controller chips to an interested person some months later. And here's a coincidence -- yesterday at 3:00pm all that material went to the dump! Dennis Country Stores book! Bathory Opera libretto! "We Are All Mozart" From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 26 08:00:48 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:00:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <200907261125.n6QBPZo7026523@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net><200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig><393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net><264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com><5CB56EE407AA4B24B7A9070B2DB44A08@Dell3Gig> <200907261125.n6QBPZo7026523@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <49FE95A5AC48417287D676A04DDFE2F0@Dell3Gig> That was a tough break Dennis. I remember when it first came out (I was poor and couldn't afford it). Doing some GOOGLEing yesterday, there is some interesting work being done with bubble logics. The thing I thought most funny was the units had to be "heated" up to 30-40 degrees C just to operate properly. Where would we be today if all our computers doubled as a hot plate, and liked it. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dennis > Bathory-Kitsz > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:25 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory > > At 06:38 AM 7/26/2009, you wrote: > >I'm inputting the Color Computer Magazine issues into the > database, and > >came across the 128k Bubble Memory hardware project by > Dennis Kitsz. > >Did anyone on this list ever build one? > > As the author, I may have been the only one. > > What a story. The bubble memory module was discontinued by > the company (Intel was it?) after the article went to print. > > Here's how it went: We had samples from the company, designed > and built the unit, had the boards made, and had a finished > and tested unit. I think it went to Jake Commander, who had > been writing a Bubble OS for it that would have appeared in a > later magazine. We were negotiating a price on these bubble > memories (they were really expensive and required weird > powering, too) and one Monday morning we called to place our > order. The number was disconnected. The entire company > division had been shut down over the weekend, and bubble > memory manufacturing was ended. > > So as far as I know, my unit was the only one built -- unless > other people had access to the discontinued bubble memory > modules. We sold one circuit board, as I recall, and > eventually refunded the purchase. > We sold our small sample kits of bubbles and controller chips > to an interested person some months later. > > And here's a coincidence -- yesterday at 3:00pm all that > material went to the dump! > > Dennis > > > > > > Country Stores book! > itsz/dp/1596294752/> > Bathory Opera libretto! > > "We Are All Mozart" > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Sun Jul 26 08:16:25 2009 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:16:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <49FE95A5AC48417287D676A04DDFE2F0@Dell3Gig> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> <393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net> <264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5CB56EE407AA4B24B7A9070B2DB44A08@Dell3Gig> <200907261125.n6QBPZo7026523@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> <49FE95A5AC48417287D676A04DDFE2F0@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <200907261218.n6QCIbo7007708@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> At 08:00 AM 7/26/2009, you wrote: >Doing some GOOGLEing yesterday, there is some interesting work being done >with bubble logics. The thing I thought most funny was the units had to be >"heated" up to 30-40 degrees C just to operate properly. Where would we be >today if all our computers doubled as a hot plate, and liked it. If I recall correctly, the crazy power supply requirements were because the unit included its own heater. Can't recall, but do remember the project being a bear start to finish. Even the magazine screwed up, accidentally publishing the placeholder copy of the circuit board instead of the final one! The placeholder copy hadn't finished the power routing correctly. I'm really glad that era is over. I made lots of friends, but truly lost my shirt at Green Mountain Micro ... it took me 20 years to pay off the debt. I only started the company because so many people assured me they wanted to buy the products instead of making their own boards or typing in programs. And then most of those same folks melted away once the products were released. Even the best-selling items only ever sold a few hundred -- I think "Learning the 6809" topped the list at about 500 copies. (Taking stuff to the dump yesterday brought a big sense of years lost to technology that would quickly become obsolete.) Dennis Country Stores book! "Three Performance Pieces"! Bathory Opera libretto! "We Are All Mozart" From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 26 15:36:41 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:36:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <200907261218.n6QCIbo7007708@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net><200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com><412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig><393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net><264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com><5CB56EE407AA4B24B7A9070B2DB44A08@Dell3Gig><200907261125.n6QBPZo7026523@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net><49FE95A5AC48417287D676A04DDFE2F0@Dell3Gig> <200907261218.n6QCIbo7007708@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: Well, if you were the only guy to loose his shirt during that timeframe, you could consider yourself a failure. The thing is, nobody got it all right then, even a multi-million dollar a year company like Tandy managed to screw the pooch. I always thought you hardware/software entrepreneurs (You, Marty, Mr. Barden, Keven Darling + dozens of others not on the tip of my tongue) were the next best thing to GODS back then. You knew so much, and were willing to pass it on. If you had kept it all to yourselves, the rest of us would have been poorer for it. I'm glad you tried. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dennis > Bathory-Kitsz > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:16 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory > > At 08:00 AM 7/26/2009, you wrote: > >Doing some GOOGLEing yesterday, there is some interesting work being > >done with bubble logics. The thing I thought most funny was > the units > >had to be "heated" up to 30-40 degrees C just to operate properly. > >Where would we be today if all our computers doubled as a > hot plate, and liked it. > > If I recall correctly, the crazy power supply requirements > were because the unit included its own heater. Can't recall, > but do remember the project being a bear start to finish. > Even the magazine screwed up, accidentally publishing the > placeholder copy of the circuit board instead of the final > one! The placeholder copy hadn't finished the power routing correctly. > > I'm really glad that era is over. I made lots of friends, but > truly lost my shirt at Green Mountain Micro ... it took me 20 > years to pay off the debt. I only started the company because > so many people assured me they wanted to buy the products > instead of making their own boards or typing in programs. And > then most of those same folks melted away once the products > were released. Even the best-selling items only ever sold a > few hundred -- I think "Learning the 6809" > topped the list at about 500 copies. (Taking stuff to the > dump yesterday brought a big sense of years lost to > technology that would quickly become obsolete.) > > Dennis > > > > > > Country Stores book! > itsz/dp/1596294752/> > "Three Performance Pieces"! > > Bathory Opera libretto! > > "We Are All Mozart" > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 16:08:01 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] success with DCom Message-ID: <95489.89239.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have (re-?)learned a few things in the last few weeks. First, the byte I had to change to make the DCom disk image recognized by NitrOS-9 is the # of tracks. $07 is a 720K 80-Track, and $03 is a 360K 40-Track. Fortunately, making that change didn't affect the readability of the disk image. The second thing I learned is that Basic09 01.01.00 is a re-write of the Dragon Basic09 (not sure if it's just L1 or both L1 & L2) that Boisy Pitre and others worked on. There were changes made to DATE$ to accomodate the Y2K requirements. RunB, of the same version number, seems to have a bug. I can't decompile anything running DCom from the OS-9 command line, but I can by running Basic09 and running DCom from within it. I have successfully decompiled DCom. Now I have the task of trying to invent new variable names to replace the DCom generic names. Once that's done, I'm ready to place DCom in the public domain. Wayne From rbihler at msn.com Sun Jul 26 17:32:31 2009 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:32:31 -0600 Subject: [Coco] success with DCom In-Reply-To: <95489.89239.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <95489.89239.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wayne Campbell wrote: > I have (re-?)learned a few things in the last few weeks. First, the byte I had to change to make the DCom disk image recognized by NitrOS-9 is the # of tracks. $07 is a 720K 80-Track, and $03 is a 360K 40-Track. Fortunately, making that change didn't affect the readability of the disk image. > > The second thing I learned is that Basic09 01.01.00 is a re-write of the Dragon Basic09 (not sure if it's just L1 or both L1 & L2) that Boisy Pitre and others worked on. There were changes made to DATE$ to accomodate the Y2K requirements. > > RunB, of the same version number, seems to have a bug. I can't decompile anything running DCom from the OS-9 command line, but I can by running Basic09 and running DCom from within it. > > I have successfully decompiled DCom. Now I have the task of trying to invent new variable names to replace the DCom generic names. Once that's done, I'm ready to place DCom in the public domain. > > Wayne > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > Wayne If you using the version of runb that was on the dcom disk it will work. There is something different between the runb versions, I ran into the same problem trying to dcom RiBBS, if I ran Dcom within Nitros or LV2 it would crash. But when I moved the Runb supplied with Dcom to the Cmds Dir ran just fine. Ron From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 18:53:04 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] success with DCom In-Reply-To: References: <95489.89239.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <846687.62606.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I never thought of that. I'll see what happens. Thanks! ________________________________ From: Ron Bihler To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] success with DCom Wayne Campbell wrote: > I have (re-?)learned a few things in the last few weeks. First, the byte I had to change to make the DCom disk image recognized by NitrOS-9 is the # of tracks. $07 is a 720K 80-Track, and $03 is a 360K 40-Track. Fortunately, making that change didn't affect the readability of the disk image. > > The second thing I learned is that Basic09 01.01.00 is a re-write of the Dragon Basic09 (not sure if it's just L1 or both L1 & L2) that Boisy Pitre and others worked on. There were changes made to DATE$ to accomodate the Y2K requirements. > > RunB, of the same version number, seems to have a bug. I can't decompile anything running DCom from the OS-9 command line, but I can by running Basic09 and running DCom from within it. > > I have successfully decompiled DCom. Now I have the task of trying to invent new variable names to replace the DCom generic names. Once that's done, I'm ready to place DCom in the public domain. > > Wayne > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > Wayne If you using the version of runb that was on the dcom disk it will work. There is something different between the runb versions, I ran into the same problem trying to dcom RiBBS, if I ran Dcom within Nitros or LV2 it would crash. But when I moved the Runb supplied with Dcom to the Cmds Dir ran just fine. Ron -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 26 19:06:37 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:06:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] success with DCom In-Reply-To: References: <95489.89239.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CD34DB116894502BF6AF2DB56141B96@Dell3Gig> Is it possible the Runb from Nitros you have is the 6309 version? > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Ron Bihler > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:33 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] success with DCom > > Wayne Campbell wrote: > > I have (re-?)learned a few things in the last few weeks. > First, the byte I had to change to make the DCom disk image > recognized by NitrOS-9 is the # of tracks. $07 is a 720K > 80-Track, and $03 is a 360K 40-Track. Fortunately, making > that change didn't affect the readability of the disk image. > > > > The second thing I learned is that Basic09 01.01.00 is a > re-write of the Dragon Basic09 (not sure if it's just L1 or > both L1 & L2) that Boisy Pitre and others worked on. There > were changes made to DATE$ to accomodate the Y2K requirements. > > > > RunB, of the same version number, seems to have a bug. I > can't decompile anything running DCom from the OS-9 command > line, but I can by running Basic09 and running DCom from within it. > > > > I have successfully decompiled DCom. Now I have the task of > trying to invent new variable names to replace the DCom > generic names. Once that's done, I'm ready to place DCom in > the public domain. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > Wayne > > If you using the version of runb that was on the dcom disk it > will work. There is something different between the runb > versions, I ran into the same problem trying to dcom RiBBS, > if I ran Dcom within Nitros or LV2 it would crash. But when > I moved the Runb supplied with Dcom to the Cmds Dir ran just fine. > > Ron > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 19:12:02 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] success with DCom In-Reply-To: <4CD34DB116894502BF6AF2DB56141B96@Dell3Gig> References: <95489.89239.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4CD34DB116894502BF6AF2DB56141B96@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <602585.7600.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I downloaded the 6809 version, so I don't know for sure. At any rate, running DCom in Basic09 worked, so I have the code now. Also, I looked on the disk image file I got from Dean, and it didn't include RunB, SysCall, Inkey, GFX or GFX2. Oh well. Ron, when you read this, is it possible you still have your copy of DCom? Or that you could make a .os9 image file of it for me? Wayne ________________________________ From: Paul Fitch To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:06:37 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] success with DCom Is it possible the Runb from Nitros you have is the 6309 version? From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 19:35:53 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:35:53 +1000 Subject: [Coco] success with DCom References: <95489.89239.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4CD34DB116894502BF6AF2DB56141B96@Dell3Gig> <602585.7600.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wayne, I have a copy of DCOM also here in Australia :) I'll dig it out and make an image, just in case you need it. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] success with DCom >I downloaded the 6809 version, so I don't know for sure. At any rate, >running DCom in Basic09 worked, so I have the code now. Also, I looked on >the disk image file I got from Dean, and it didn't include RunB, SysCall, >Inkey, GFX or GFX2. Oh well. > > Ron, when you read this, is it possible you still have your copy of DCom? > Or that you could make a .os9 image file of it for me? > > Wayne > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Fitch > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:06:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] success with DCom > > Is it possible the Runb from Nitros you have is the 6309 version? > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From twospruces at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 21:38:12 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:38:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <200907261125.n6QBPZo7026523@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> <393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net> <264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5CB56EE407AA4B24B7A9070B2DB44A08@Dell3Gig> <200907261125.n6QBPZo7026523@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: I can feel for you on this one. People see the various tech bubbles and the wealth created, but rarely see the carnage side of the tech industry. It really sucks when your customers turn to mush under your feet... On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > At 06:38 AM 7/26/2009, you wrote: >> >> I'm inputting the Color Computer Magazine issues into the database, and >> came >> across the 128k Bubble Memory hardware project by Dennis Kitsz. ?Did >> anyone >> on this list ever build one? > > As the author, I may have been the only one. > > What a story. The bubble memory module was discontinued by the company > (Intel was it?) after the article went to print. > > Here's how it went: We had samples from the company, designed and built the > unit, had the boards made, and had a finished and tested unit. I think it > went to Jake Commander, who had been writing a Bubble OS for it that would > have appeared in a later magazine. We were negotiating a price on these > bubble memories (they were really expensive and required weird powering, > too) and one Monday morning we called to place our order. The number was > disconnected. The entire company division had been shut down over the > weekend, and bubble memory manufacturing was ended. > > So as far as I know, my unit was the only one built -- unless other people > had access to the discontinued bubble memory modules. We sold one circuit > board, as I recall, and eventually refunded the purchase. We sold our small > sample kits of bubbles and controller chips to an interested person some > months later. > > And here's a coincidence -- yesterday at 3:00pm all that material went to > the dump! > > Dennis > > > > > > Country Stores book! > > Bathory Opera libretto! > > "We Are All Mozart" > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From asa.rand at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 22:28:48 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] success with DCom In-Reply-To: References: <95489.89239.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4CD34DB116894502BF6AF2DB56141B96@Dell3Gig> <602585.7600.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201473.76167.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks, Bob. Ron sent me a copy of the one he was referring to. The version of RunB on it is 1.00.01. The one in NitrOS-9 is 1.00.00, so there's a difference. And the 1.00.01 version works as expected. Thanks, Ron! ________________________________ From: Bob Devries To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:35:53 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] success with DCom Wayne, I have a copy of DCOM also here in Australia :) I'll dig it out and make an image, just in case you need it. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Campbell" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] success with DCom >I downloaded the 6809 version, so I don't know for sure. At any rate, >running DCom in Basic09 worked, so I have the code now. Also, I looked on >the disk image file I got from Dean, and it didn't include RunB, SysCall, >Inkey, GFX or GFX2. Oh well. > > Ron, when you read this, is it possible you still have your copy of DCom? > Or that you could make a .os9 image file of it for me? > > Wayne > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Fitch > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:06:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] success with DCom > > Is it possible the Runb from Nitros you have is the 6309 version? > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Mon Jul 27 10:28:08 2009 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:28:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F03818433@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> Sir Dennis, I just finished going through my copies of The Rainbow last weekend. What a blast from the past! While I had drooled over a lot of the Green Mountain Micro stuff, my dreams were greater than my wallet. That is to say, "I woulda if I coulda, but I couldn't so I didn't." And by the time I could afford the stuff, the CoCo was off chasing dinosaurs. Anyway, I'd like to say that the 8-bit days were a lot more FUN than anything today. (Can you imagine patching Windoze to improve it, or add more commands like Colin Stearman did with RS-DOS??) --Rich From steve at batsonphotography.com Mon Jul 27 11:05:11 2009 From: steve at batsonphotography.com (steve) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:05:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory Message-ID: <2d9f11bf$802cbaa$1099df03$@com> Funny this came up. I've worked at Intel for many years and used to work in the Bubble Memory group until they sold it off. Was a strange, but cool type of product. I was learning Forth to write routines to test them. I've long since forgot most of what I learn about them. Steve ---------------------------------------- From: "Ries, Rich (NY80)" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:28 AM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory Sir Dennis, I just finished going through my copies of The Rainbow last weekend. What a blast from the past! While I had drooled over a lot of the Green Mountain Micro stuff, my dreams were greater than my wallet. That is to say, "I woulda if I coulda, but I couldn't so I didn't." And by the time I could afford the stuff, the CoCo was off chasing dinosaurs. Anyway, I'd like to say that the 8-bit days were a lot more FUN than anything today. (Can you imagine patching Windoze to improve it, or add more commands like Colin Stearman did with RS-DOS??) --Rich -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From asa.rand at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 16:57:04 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] discovering errors Message-ID: <30003.14842.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I found that one of the procedures, DTypes, contained an error in the decompiled source. Investigation showed that DInstr, the procedure that actually rebuilds the instruction statements, didn't contain the reference to the MOD() token used for BYTE/INTEGER operations. There are multiple functions in Basic09 that have one version for BYTE/INTEGER variables and one version for REAL variables. So far, this is the only error in my original code that I have found. I am creating a token list that contains all of the tokens, and what they mean. When it is complete, I'll be placing it on SourceForge. I have created a project there to put everything related to DCom and Basic09 I-Code. Wayne From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Mon Jul 27 20:10:11 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:10:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200907272010.11580.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Friday 24 July 2009 14:20:41 Wayne Campbell wrote: > Are you referring to 6809 assembler, or OS-9 assembler? I would like to > start learning more OS-9 assembler. If you are talking about OS-9, would > you be interested in a collaborative effort? I need to learn more about the > way Basic09 is written, and my lack of knowledge about assembly programming > stands in my way. Thanks for the invite, but your assembly knowedge leaves me in the dust. The big problem holding me back though is time. I know you would do all that you could to bring me up to speed, but I have am so busy here at the college that I do not have time to change my mind. Not complaining mind you, it sooo much better than going around graveling for a job. From tjseagrove at writeme.com Mon Jul 27 21:26:02 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:26:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <200907272010.11580.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200907272010.11580.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <000c01ca0f22$5f3df0c0$1db9d240$@com> The graveling will come when you finish college... hehe -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of richec Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:10 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? On Friday 24 July 2009 14:20:41 Wayne Campbell wrote: > Are you referring to 6809 assembler, or OS-9 assembler? I would like to > start learning more OS-9 assembler. If you are talking about OS-9, would > you be interested in a collaborative effort? I need to learn more about the > way Basic09 is written, and my lack of knowledge about assembly programming > stands in my way. Thanks for the invite, but your assembly knowedge leaves me in the dust. The big problem holding me back though is time. I know you would do all that you could to bring me up to speed, but I have am so busy here at the college that I do not have time to change my mind. Not complaining mind you, it sooo much better than going around graveling for a job. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date: 07/27/09 17:59:00 From tlindner at macmess.org Mon Jul 27 22:42:05 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:42:05 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done Message-ID: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> I'd like to announce the compleation of the first year of digitizing The Rainbow. I'm am very proud of the many volunteers that helped reach this milestone. For thoes who don't know: The CoCoMag project's goal is to create a full text searchable version of the Rainbow and other CoCo magazines. Come visit the web site and help out. Magazine digitization is broken down to small tasks designed to take less than one minute to complete. One task-a-day is all I ask. :) -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Jul 27 23:28:29 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:28:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] discovering errors In-Reply-To: <30003.14842.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <30003.14842.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6E705D.2000201@swbell.net> Wayne Campbell wrote: > I found that one of the procedures, DTypes, contained an error in the decompiled source. Investigation showed that DInstr, the procedure that actually rebuilds the instruction statements, didn't contain the reference to the MOD() token used for BYTE/INTEGER operations. There are multiple functions in Basic09 that have one version for BYTE/INTEGER variables and one version for REAL variables. So far, this is the only error in my original code that I have found. > > I am creating a token list that contains all of the tokens, and what they mean. When it is complete, I'll be placing it on SourceForge. I have created a project there to put everything related to DCom and Basic09 I-Code. > > Wayne > > > This is really cool stuff, which could prove useful for future preservation efforts, not to mention very interesting. Thanks for keeping us apprised of your progress. JCE > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From zmerch-coco at 30below.com Mon Jul 27 23:55:30 2009 From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:55:30 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <200907261218.n6QCIbo7007708@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net > References: <49FE95A5AC48417287D676A04DDFE2F0@Dell3Gig> <200907240925.46588.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <200907241143.53378.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200907241259.21227.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <412285.8619.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4882070480944095AFA187472F146A5E@Dell3Gig> <393799.32505.qm@web53708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A6B658F.5030605@worldnet.att.net> <264754.40528.qm@web53702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5CB56EE407AA4B24B7A9070B2DB44A08@Dell3Gig> <200907261125.n6QBPZo7026523@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> <49FE95A5AC48417287D676A04DDFE2F0@Dell3Gig> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090727211231.044c0ec8@mail.30below.com> Rumor has it that Dennis Bathory-Kitsz may have mentioned these words: >At 08:00 AM 7/26/2009, you wrote: >>Doing some GOOGLEing yesterday, there is some interesting work being done >>with bubble logics. Don't forget, there was a commercial product for the Tandy Model 100 system... I believe a few people on the M100 listserv have them. Rick Hanson over at www.club100.org would know of the units... >> The thing I thought most funny was the units had to be >>"heated" up to 30-40 degrees C just to operate properly. Where would we be >>today if all our computers doubled as a hot plate, and liked it. With needing heat sinks, special greases in between thereof, & whatnot... they're not??? ;-) (BTW, there was a project to feed 12V to a bunch of Cyrix 6x86 CPUs to actually turn it *into a hotplate* to cook eggs!) http://www.rabidhardware.net/?id=44 > -- I think "Learning the 6809" topped the list at about 500 copies. I wish I could have afforded to be #501... :-( > (Taking stuff to the dump yesterday brought a big sense of years lost to > technology that would quickly become obsolete.) Well, after retyping this line 4 times... nothing seemed appropriate... all I can say is "I feel your pain." Take care, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers _??_ zmerch at 30below.com (?||?) If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead _)(_ disarmament should *not* be your first career choice. From zmerch-coco at 30below.com Mon Jul 27 23:56:12 2009 From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090727235608.04d52c48@wheresmymailserver.com> Rumor has it that Ries, Rich (NY80) may have mentioned these words: >Sir Dennis, > I just finished going through my copies of The Rainbow last weekend. >What a blast from the past! While I had drooled over a lot of the Green >Mountain Micro stuff, my dreams were greater than my wallet. That is to >say, "I woulda if I coulda, but I couldn't so I didn't." Ugh... that was me, too! I could _barely_ afford the magazines & enough hardware to "not suck" in the computing world. ;-) $400 floppy drives, $100 worth of 512K RAM (well, until the resin factory gesplodes 2 weeks later driving RAM back to $400/512K ;-) $139 for an operating system that doesn't suck... oh, wait, now you pay that for Vista... Maybe the "good ol' days" didn't suck so bad after all!!! ;-) 'course, now that I can afford a little more, things like "computers that last 20 years" and "operating systems that don't suck" aren't available any more. :-/ >(Can you imagine patching Windoze to improve it... Yea, it's called "Patch Tuesday." :-)) Too bad they don't have a patch that turns it into OS-9. ;-) Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger P.S. Some [foolish, IMHO] people look up to Bill Gates... DB-K & Dr. Marty were always *my* heros when it came to computing. I couldn't afford what y'all (or anyone else) were selling at the time, but your contributions weren't lost on me - they drove me to continue in the computing realm instead of becoming a truck driver like my dad. (A noble field, and yes - I could drive a Freightliner @17 [over 2 lifetimes ago, it seems...] but unlike my dad, my life [or family] didn't depend on it.) Everything I've accomplished (employment by GM, a decade of self-employment, and beyond...) was driven by your unknowing encouragement. For that, you have my deepest thanks... -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein zmerch at 30below.com | From badfrog at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 00:15:36 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> References: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> Message-ID: <9efa17da0907272115v4b96b475v88f1f5415491a794@mail.gmail.com> Wow, quite the amazing customized system you have there! What an awesome project. (I think I submitted a page as filler before I read the instructions... Oops) On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:42 PM, tim lindner wrote: > I'd like to announce the compleation of the first year of digitizing The > Rainbow. > > > > I'm am very proud of the many volunteers that helped reach this > milestone. > > For thoes who don't know: The CoCoMag project's goal is to create a full > text searchable version of the Rainbow and other CoCo magazines. > > Come visit the web site and help out. Magazine digitization is broken > down to small tasks designed to take less than one minute to complete. > > One task-a-day is all I ask. :) > > -- > tim lindner > tlindner at macmess.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bright > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jul 28 00:19:46 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:19:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20090727235608.04d52c48@wheresmymailserver.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090727235608.04d52c48@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: <200907280019.46188.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 27 July 2009, Roger Merchberger wrote: >Rumor has it that Ries, Rich (NY80) may have mentioned these words: >>Sir Dennis, >> I just finished going through my copies of The Rainbow last weekend. >>What a blast from the past! While I had drooled over a lot of the Green >>Mountain Micro stuff, my dreams were greater than my wallet. That is to >>say, "I woulda if I coulda, but I couldn't so I didn't." > >Ugh... that was me, too! I could _barely_ afford the magazines & enough >hardware to "not suck" in the computing world. ;-) > >$400 floppy drives, $100 worth of 512K RAM (well, until the resin factory >gesplodes 2 weeks later driving RAM back to $400/512K ;-) $139 for an >operating system that doesn't suck... oh, wait, now you pay that for > Vista... There ARE other choices Roger, chief among them being linux. Todays os-9. and its free to boot. >Maybe the "good ol' days" didn't suck so bad after all!!! ;-) > >'course, now that I can afford a little more, things like "computers that >last 20 years" and "operating systems that don't suck" aren't available any >more. :-/ > >>(Can you imagine patching Windoze to improve it... > >Yea, it's called "Patch Tuesday." :-)) > >Too bad they don't have a patch that turns it into OS-9. Or better yet, dl a copy of mandriva-2009.1 and install that. I'll eventually be using it instead of fedora 10 here. >;-) > >Laterz, >Roger "Merch" Merchberger > >P.S. Some [foolish, IMHO] people look up to Bill Gates... DB-K & Dr. Marty >were always *my* heros when it came to computing. I couldn't afford what >y'all (or anyone else) were selling at the time, but your contributions >weren't lost on me - they drove me to continue in the computing realm >instead of becoming a truck driver like my dad. (A noble field, and yes - I >could drive a Freightliner @17 [over 2 lifetimes ago, it seems...] but >unlike my dad, my life [or family] didn't depend on it.) Everything I've >accomplished (employment by GM, a decade of self-employment, and beyond...) >was driven by your unknowing encouragement. > >For that, you have my deepest thanks... > >-- >Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." >SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein >zmerch at 30below.com | > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Mankind is poised midway between the gods and the beasts. -- Plotinus From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 23:16:37 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (vacuumboy1) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:16:37 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? Message-ID: Hi all! I was wondering, is there any possible way BASIC can become polymorphic? I mean, can't it keep making changes on a casette? Any help is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! Kyle From aawolfe at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 00:48:04 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:48:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:16 PM, vacuumboy1 wrote: > Hi all! I was wondering, is there any possible way BASIC can become polymorphic? I mean, can't it keep making changes on a casette? Any help is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Kyle > "polymorphic" can mean more than one thing in a computer language, but assuming you mean that you want to write a basic program that for some reason changes itself in memory while executing, then i suppose you could poke values into memory at just the right places and end up with a different BASIC program in the buffer than when you started. with a lot of very precise work you might get something that didn't destroy itself too often, but personally i'm lost as to why you would want to. perhaps if you explained more about what you're trying to do, the list could give better advice. and in general, writing self modifying code is much easier to do in machine language where its all just bytes instead of trying to second guess the tokenizer and whatnot in BASIC. > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From aawolfe at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 00:53:46 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:53:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> References: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> Message-ID: Very nice, looks like you've done a lot of work. This is very handy if, like me, you sometimes have a random thought about an article read years ago but are usually too lazy to search through storage for the actual thing :) What is the legal status of a project like this? I notice in the first text on the page it is stated that permission was never given to distribute the magazine contents... and then below are the magazine contents.. ? On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM, tim lindner wrote: > I'd like to announce the compleation of the first year of digitizing The > Rainbow. > > > > I'm am very proud of the many volunteers that helped reach this > milestone. > > For thoes who don't know: The CoCoMag project's goal is to create a full > text searchable version of the Rainbow and other CoCo magazines. > > Come visit the web site and help out. Magazine digitization is broken > down to small tasks designed to take less than one minute to complete. > > One task-a-day is all I ask. :) > > -- > tim lindner > tlindner at macmess.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bright > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From zmerch-coco at 30below.com Tue Jul 28 00:59:15 2009 From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:59:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <200907280019.46188.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090727235608.04d52c48@wheresmymailserver.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20090727235608.04d52c48@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090728002844.04ceecb8@mail.30below.com> Rumor has it that Gene Heskett may have mentioned these words: >There ARE other choices Roger, chief among them being linux. Oh, I know linux.... I *really* know linux. Since kernel version 1.2.13! My "Linux From Scratch" registration number is 9350. ;-) > Todays os-9. and its free to boot. Try as I might, I can't get Linux to fit in 64K... ;-) >Or better yet, dl a copy of mandriva-2009.1 and install that. I'll >eventually >be using it instead of fedora 10 here. Oh, I dropped RedHat when they went to the whole "Fedora" fiasco. 9.0 was my last version of that. Last time I tried Mandrake (yea, it was Mandrake) it was considered the most unsecure Linux distro *ever*. (Times may have changed, but I'm a stubborn old coot!) Caldera was awesome back at version 2.3, but that was a decade ago now they're just another SCO embarrassment. Debian was just *too darned huge*, Slackware and Puppy are just *too darned small* other than specialty usage. I had a little fun with DSL... and Sabayon never seemed "quite finished" to me. Novell has now officially boned SuSE (which the wife & her uncle still run 9.2pro on their desktops... it refuses to break --- complete with OpenOffice 1.1, to give you an idea of their vintage. Wifey's Uncle upgraded from Windows 3.1 to that instead of XP; he figured if he had to relearn something anyway, it might as well be stable & free), and too many bouts of "Why'd they call it *that*" to consider the *BSD's and not enough free time to change that perception. For the last couple years, my "install it and forget it" (like many others across this marble) is Ubuntu -- Yea, I'm rarely a "me too" kinda guy (obviously) but hey -- it "just works" for me when I don't have time for LFS. I have a Mythbuntu installation on my rebuilt TiVo-like box, and the wifey's got it on her new laptop, which booted Vista exactly once... because I didn't hit F8 in time to boot from CD. ;-) I have 3 servers running Ubuntu Server LTS, and still have one old server running LFS. I may purchase Win7 because I can get the 1/2 price upgrade from my old Fujitsu lappity-toppity-box before the test OpenFiler install, and the fact I know close to nothing about Vista means I'm "really behind the times" in the Winders world. Holy crap, I ramble too much sometimes. 8-> Anyway, y'all have a good nite, and ping m100 at list.30below.com to see if anyone there has one of the bubble memory units for the Model 100. [[ Had to bring it back ontopic somehow... ;-) ]] Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein zmerch at 30below.com | From dml_68 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 01:03:41 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> Message-ID: <709212.46162.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great work!!! Very exciting to have this online ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Mon, 7/27/09, tim lindner wrote: From: tim lindner Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" , RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 7:42 PM I'd like to announce the compleation of the first year of digitizing The Rainbow. I'm am very proud of the many volunteers that helped reach this milestone. For thoes who don't know: The CoCoMag project's goal is to create a full text searchable version of the Rainbow and other CoCo magazines. Come visit the web site and help out. Magazine digitization is broken down to small tasks designed to take less than one minute to complete. One task-a-day is all I ask. :) -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Bright -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Jul 28 01:09:17 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:09:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 128k Bubble Memory In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20090728002844.04ceecb8@mail.30below.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090727235608.04d52c48@wheresmymailserver.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20090728002844.04ceecb8@mail.30below.com> Message-ID: <200907280109.17921.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 28 July 2009, Roger Merchberger wrote: >Rumor has it that Gene Heskett may have mentioned these words: >>There ARE other choices Roger, chief among them being linux. > >Oh, I know linux.... I *really* know linux. Since kernel version 1.2.13! My >"Linux From Scratch" registration number is 9350. ;-) > >> Todays os-9. and its free to boot. > >Try as I might, I can't get Linux to fit in 64K... ;-) > >>Or better yet, dl a copy of mandriva-2009.1 and install that. I'll >>eventually >>be using it instead of fedora 10 here. > >Oh, I dropped RedHat when they went to the whole "Fedora" fiasco. 9.0 was >my last version of that. Last time I tried Mandrake (yea, it was Mandrake) >it was considered the most unsecure Linux distro *ever*. (Times may have >changed, but I'm a stubborn old coot!) Caldera was awesome back at version >2.3, but that was a decade ago now they're just another SCO embarrassment. >Debian was just *too darned huge*, Slackware and Puppy are just *too darned >small* other than specialty usage. I had a little fun with DSL... and >Sabayon never seemed "quite finished" to me. Novell has now officially >boned SuSE (which the wife & her uncle still run 9.2pro on their >desktops... it refuses to break --- complete with OpenOffice 1.1, to give >you an idea of their vintage. Wifey's Uncle upgraded from Windows 3.1 to >that instead of XP; he figured if he had to relearn something anyway, it >might as well be stable & free), and too many bouts of "Why'd they call it >*that*" to consider the *BSD's and not enough free time to change that >perception. > >For the last couple years, my "install it and forget it" (like many others >across this marble) is Ubuntu -- Yea, I'm rarely a "me too" kinda guy >(obviously) but hey -- it "just works" for me when I don't have time for >LFS. I have a Mythbuntu installation on my rebuilt TiVo-like box, and the >wifey's got it on her new laptop, which booted Vista exactly once... >because I didn't hit F8 in time to boot from CD. ;-) I have 3 servers >running Ubuntu Server LTS, and still have one old server running LFS. > >I may purchase Win7 because I can get the 1/2 price upgrade from my old >Fujitsu lappity-toppity-box before the test OpenFiler install, and the fact >I know close to nothing about Vista means I'm "really behind the times" in >the Winders world. > >Holy crap, I ramble too much sometimes. 8-> > >Anyway, y'all have a good nite, and ping m100 at list.30below.com to see if >anyone there has one of the bubble memory units for the Model 100. > >[[ Had to bring it back ontopic somehow... ;-) ]] Chuckle, I can grok all that Roger. I did have an xp install here for about 3 years, bought it with the lappy. But when I put mandriva-2009.1 on it, I let it use the xp partition too since I'd only used it 4 or 5 times. With an hour to play with the new install, I packed it & headed for Iron Mountain MI, unpacked it and booted it, and even the radio in it just worked, I didn't even have to borrow one from the motel & plug a cat5 into it. Mandriva has come a long ways since it was Mandrake. I was very pleasantly surprised. >Laterz, >Roger "Merch" Merchberger > >-- >Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." >SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein >zmerch at 30below.com | > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you place the blame. From aawolfe at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 01:20:52 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:20:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> References: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM, tim lindner wrote: > I'd like to announce the compleation of the first year of digitizing The > Rainbow. > > > > I'm am very proud of the many volunteers that helped reach this > milestone. > > For thoes who don't know: The CoCoMag project's goal is to create a full > text searchable version of the Rainbow and other CoCo magazines. > > Come visit the web site and help out. Magazine digitization is broken > down to small tasks designed to take less than one minute to complete. > > One task-a-day is all I ask. :) > If we are checking/entering text and there is a typo in the original material, are we to preserve the error? > -- > tim lindner > tlindner at macmess.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bright > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From asa.rand at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 01:50:44 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] project on SourceForge Message-ID: <59844.29429.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have created a project on SourceForge for DCom and my work with I-Code. You can see what I have done so far at this link: http://dcomb09.sourceforge.net Wayne From tlindner at macmess.org Tue Jul 28 01:44:56 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1j3jb34.12h3r2wz4utdwM%tlindner@macmess.org> Aaron Wolfe wrote: > If we are checking/entering text and there is a typo in the original > material, are we to preserve the error? My mindset on these types of things: Only if it improved searchability. So if a person's name (or product) is mispelled I would correct that. Otherwise I'm not as concerened. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From tlindner at macmess.org Tue Jul 28 02:24:38 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0907272115v4b96b475v88f1f5415491a794@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1j3jcz1.w2udi9nm7aurM%tlindner@macmess.org> Sean wrote: > Wow, quite the amazing customized system you have there! What an > awesome project. Thanks! > (I think I submitted a page as filler before I read the instructions... Oops) Not a problem, it'll most likely be caught on the second check. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From petrander at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 04:48:16 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:48:16 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: <1j3jcz1.w2udi9nm7aurM%tlindner@macmess.org> References: <9efa17da0907272115v4b96b475v88f1f5415491a794@mail.gmail.com> <1j3jcz1.w2udi9nm7aurM%tlindner@macmess.org> Message-ID: Impressively advanced system!! You made it yourself? It is actually really fun to execute those tasks, so expect me to frequent these pages! Fedor 2009/7/28 tim lindner > Sean wrote: > > > Wow, quite the amazing customized system you have there! What an > > awesome project. > > Thanks! > > > (I think I submitted a page as filler before I read the instructions... > Oops) > > Not a problem, it'll most likely be caught on the second check. > > -- > tim lindner > tlindner at macmess.org Bright > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From shadow at shadowgard.com Tue Jul 28 06:29:57 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:29:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6E70B5.25063.E0432F@shadow.shadowgard.com> On 28 Jul 2009 at 3:16, vacuumboy1 wrote: > Hi all! I was wondering, is there any possible way BASIC can become > polymorphic? I mean, can't it keep making changes on a casette? Any > help is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks! The CoCo (itself* is limited by the hardware. It can read from the tape, and it can write to the tape. It has no idea where on the tape it is. So you can't *alter* data on the tape except by re-writing the entire file. The old Model I had *two* cassette ports, so it could read from one recorder and write to the other. The CoCo isn't set up that way. -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 28 07:22:33 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:22:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: References: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> Message-ID: <4A6EDF79.70409@worldnet.att.net> Aaron Wolfe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM, tim lindner wrote: >> I'd like to announce the compleation of the first year of digitizing The >> Rainbow. >> >> >> >> I'm am very proud of the many volunteers that helped reach this >> milestone. >> >> For thoes who don't know: The CoCoMag project's goal is to create a full >> text searchable version of the Rainbow and other CoCo magazines. >> >> Come visit the web site and help out. Magazine digitization is broken >> down to small tasks designed to take less than one minute to complete. >> >> One task-a-day is all I ask. :) >> > > If we are checking/entering text and there is a typo in the original > material, are we to preserve the error? > > I don't know what Tim wants but I have been correcting both spelling and, in some cases, grammar. From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Tue Jul 28 09:17:08 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:17:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Telnet program? In-Reply-To: <000c01ca0f22$5f3df0c0$1db9d240$@com> References: <200907272010.11580.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> <000c01ca0f22$5f3df0c0$1db9d240$@com> Message-ID: <200907280917.08433.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Monday 27 July 2009 21:26:02 Tom Seagrove wrote: > The graveling will come when you finish college... hehe > Oh nononono... you miss understand, I am Director of IT Programs here, in addition to wearing that hat, I am also teaching five classes. Hence the time constraints. 8-) From farna at att.net Tue Jul 28 14:05:01 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:05:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done Message-ID: <4A6F3DCD.9020406@att.net> I would suggest that errors be corrected but placed in square brackets beside or below the original. Something like this: 10 GOTO 23 [10 GOTO 20] or Dr. Marty Godman [Goodman] wrote this program... I suggest square brackets because they are rarely used for anything else. This would preserve the original text yet allow someone to still find an error, especially in a typed in listing. Wouldn't have to look in 2-3 later issues to find a correction in a listing either. --------- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:44:56 -0700 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Aaron Wolfe wrote: > > If we are checking/entering text and there is a typo in the original > > material, are we to preserve the error? > My mindset on these types of things: Only if it improved searchability. So if a person's name (or product) is mispelled I would correct that. Otherwise I'm not as concerened. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From tjseagrove at writeme.com Tue Jul 28 16:13:33 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:13:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: <4A6F3DCD.9020406@att.net> References: <4A6F3DCD.9020406@att.net> Message-ID: <007e01ca0fbf$e28779e0$a7966da0$@com> Might be good to incorporate error corrections in the final phase once the whole issue is done. Would be a good control point for the correction. Also, it should remain true to the original as seen in the mags (except corrections incorporated) so wouldn't correct any grammar. Besides, those doing the 2nd check may just change it back the way it is written. Since Tim is heading it up and doing final collation, would be good to follow his thoughts on this. Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Swygert Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:05 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done I would suggest that errors be corrected but placed in square brackets beside or below the original. Something like this: 10 GOTO 23 [10 GOTO 20] or Dr. Marty Godman [Goodman] wrote this program... I suggest square brackets because they are rarely used for anything else. This would preserve the original text yet allow someone to still find an error, especially in a typed in listing. Wouldn't have to look in 2-3 later issues to find a correction in a listing either. --------- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:44:56 -0700 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Aaron Wolfe wrote: > > If we are checking/entering text and there is a typo in the original > > material, are we to preserve the error? > My mindset on these types of things: Only if it improved searchability. So if a person's name (or product) is mispelled I would correct that. Otherwise I'm not as concerened. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00 From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 19:31:04 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? Message-ID: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I was thinking of doing a code that has fixed lines, and then a couple of lines are left blank for the computer to write and modify. And when it is done it writes the?updated program to the cassette. --- On Tue, 7/28/09, shadow at shadowgard.com wrote: From aawolfe at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 20:27:12 2009 From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:27:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM, KB wrote: > I was thinking of doing a code that has fixed lines, and then a couple of lines are left blank for the computer to write and modify. And when it is done it writes the?updated program to the cassette. I'm sure it's possible, but probably an awful lot of work. maybe there is an example of this in a Rainbow or something. you just need to poke values into memory at the right place, finding the right place is the trick. > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, shadow at shadowgard.com wrote: > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From mechacoco at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 21:01:02 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:01:02 -0600 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0907281801s4e79fbafhb98e439a3ef73a17@mail.gmail.com> On 7/28/09, KB wrote: > I was thinking of doing a code that has fixed lines, and then a couple of > lines are left blank for the computer to write and modify. And when it is > done it writes the updated program to the cassette. --- If it were disk-based, you could write out the computer generated code to a data file and then use MERGE (with its limitations) to integrate the code into the program. If it must be tape-based then you could use some assembly language glue to simulate what MERGE does. One possibility would be to install a hook routine for Console In to feed the new program data. This is similar to how CLOAD processes an ASCII Basic file. In either case, keeping the program running after integration of the new line(s) is another headache you would have to deal with. Darren From asa.rand at yahoo.com Wed Jul 29 01:43:43 2009 From: asa.rand at yahoo.com (Wayne Campbell) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] diving in deeper Message-ID: <276649.45925.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've been working on renaming all of the variables in DCom. It can be very confusing when you are dealing with multiple files and multiple user-defined types. I have found that I need to relearn the data structures of the working files generated by DCom during de-compile. To do that, I have to re-compile the source with the file deletion routines commented out so I can preserve their contents. I guess I'm going to find out just how good my de-compiler actually works. With the problems I've had with RunB, and the errors that happen just trying to use NitrOS-9 in the Mess emulator, I expect there to be problems in the de-compiled source. The one line in DTypes that didn't account for the INTEGER version of MOD() proves I missed at least a few things. heh Wayne From shadow at shadowgard.com Wed Jul 29 03:19:49 2009 From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:19:49 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6F95A5.13848.F8CDBC@shadow.shadowgard.com> On 28 Jul 2009 at 16:31, KB wrote: > I was thinking of doing a code that has fixed lines, and then a couple of > lines are left blank for the computer to write and modify. And when it is > done it writes the?updated program to the cassette. Which means that there can't be another program on the tape after the current program. And eventually you run out of tape. Or else you have to *manually* rewind the tape... -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com From wlhaynes1248 at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 09:48:26 2009 From: wlhaynes1248 at gmail.com (Wes) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:48:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <4A6F95A5.13848.F8CDBC@shadow.shadowgard.com> References: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A6F95A5.13848.F8CDBC@shadow.shadowgard.com> Message-ID: <7a6c38670907290648h13bbea61la2528e1a5daac8b8@mail.gmail.com> In the September '86 issue of the Rainbow there is a 3D graphing program by Jeff Harper which is polymorphic. The user enters a mathematical function which is then parsed, tokenized, and POKE'd back into a reserved line number. The program then calls this line as it draws its graph. Its tokenizer only handles math functions, but it's still pretty neat. Definitely worth checking out if you're interested in that sort of thing. Wes From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Wed Jul 29 11:32:45 2009 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:32:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 74, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F0381843C@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM, KB wrote: > I was thinking of doing a code that has fixed lines, and then a couple of lines are left blank for the computer to write and modify. And when it is done it writes the updated program to the cassette. Just for curiosity's sake, _why_? Other than "Just to show it can be done" or "Just for the heck of it" -- which are valid reasons in my book -- wouldn't if-then-else or ONAGOTO or ONAGOSUB work just as well? It may be better to put the modifiable lines at the end of the program, and GOSUB to them. The final line would be the RETURN command. --Rich From tlindner at macmess.org Wed Jul 29 14:05:10 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:05:10 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <7a6c38670907290648h13bbea61la2528e1a5daac8b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A6F95A5.13848.F8CDBC@shadow.shadowgard.com> <7a6c38670907290648h13bbea61la2528e1a5daac8b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b0704c10907291105i70d14f1fvc458c0d4a8d5495e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Wes wrote: > In the September '86 issue of the Rainbow there is a 3D graphing program by > Jeff Harper which is polymorphic. The user enters a mathematical function > which is then parsed, tokenized, and POKE'd back into a reserved line > number. The program then calls this line as it draws its graph. Its > tokenizer only handles math functions, but it's still pretty neat. > Definitely worth checking out if you're interested in that sort of thing. > Thanks for the pointer. That is a real interesting bit of self-modifying BASIC code. -- tim lindner From flexser at fiu.edu Wed Jul 29 14:50:37 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:50:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <5b0704c10907291105i70d14f1fvc458c0d4a8d5495e@mail.gmail.com> References: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A6F95A5.13848.F8CDBC@shadow.shadowgard.com> <7a6c38670907290648h13bbea61la2528e1a5daac8b8@mail.gmail.com> <5b0704c10907291105i70d14f1fvc458c0d4a8d5495e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Plus, that's a situation where a self-modifying Basic program is probably the EASIEST way to do the job using Basic. Earlier, I couldn't think of any situation where the desired result couldn't be accomplished in a more straightforward way. One could also use a modifiable DEF FN statement, though unfortunately CoCo Basic limits DEF FN to functions of a single variable only. A variation on self-modifying Basic is the technique of having a Basic program generate a second Basic program. The only example I know of this (though there are probably others) is PIXCMP, which I wrote with Mikeyterm author Mike Ward and Marty Goodman, to turn PMODE images into runnable ASCII Basic programs that displayed the images. The idea was to compress the images and get them into a format that could be uploaded or downloaded, back in the days before CoCo programs that could do binary file transfers were commonly available, so that everything had to be in ASCII. Art On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:05 PM, tim lindner wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Wes wrote: >> In the September '86 issue of the Rainbow there is a 3D graphing program by >> Jeff Harper which is polymorphic. The user enters a mathematical function >> which is then parsed, tokenized, and POKE'd back into a reserved line >> number. The program then calls this line as it draws its graph. Its >> tokenizer only handles math functions, but it's still pretty neat. >> Definitely worth checking out if you're interested in that sort of thing. >> > > Thanks for the pointer. That is a real interesting bit of > self-modifying BASIC code. > > > -- > tim lindner > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 29 15:00:21 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <4A6F95A5.13848.F8CDBC@shadow.shadowgard.com> Message-ID: <958482.44806.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ok! Thatll work! Thanks!! --- On Wed, 7/29/09, shadow at shadowgard.com wrote: From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 29 15:01:51 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <7a6c38670907290648h13bbea61la2528e1a5daac8b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <404897.32179.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Sure!!! Where do i get the code? Ill try google... --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Wes wrote: From neilsmorr at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 15:32:17 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:32:17 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <404897.32179.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It may have been archived - try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive/ Many of the downloads are BIG files! Neil --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, KB wrote: > > Sure!!! Where do i get the code? Ill try google... From vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 29 20:37:41 2009 From: vacuumboy1 at yahoo.com (KB) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <122052.26780.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks! From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 29 22:53:30 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:53:30 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazines and Indexes In-Reply-To: <0EFA1FD1-AC86-4C8E-81DE-F18240079B46@nationsdial.com> References: <266BB460-4EA1-42DE-98E7-FB606281A34D@verizon.net> <016EA52641A04E4FBD9F4915FAE5877C@Dell3Gig> <4A364493.5090107@mindspring.com> <000901c9edbc$bc3f7640$34be62c0$@rr.com> <4A366833.4060100@mindspring.com><000001c9eddb$1c9afd70$55d0f850$@rr.com><4A369495.7040601@mindspring.com><12CDA2D9F590448191CE291639EBC4F1@Dell3Gig><238D7A1C552D4EA1BFCC7CC2074C2F4B@Dell3Gig><07BB860985DC4EEF91B5D4C5A6A5541A@Dell3Gig><014E2268C8C94EE39766F0E51CCC62B1@Dell3Gig> <0EFA1FD1-AC86-4C8E-81DE-F18240079B46@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: <0915D890CD964BEB9E5E533A687D847F@Dell3Gig> Status: This is so confusing sometimes. I find myself wanting to Order something or write a letter to the editor. I have about 8800 individual articles and reviews (plus the occasional disk directory) on there. I recently discovered that the 10-year Rainbow index is missing a bunch of stuff that's in the Rainbow, but not in the index. Oh well, I had no real plans for the next couple of years. I've completed inputting the Color Computer Magazine issues available on Malted. We're a little light on this one boys and girls. If you have scanned copies not on Malted right now, please put there. I'm starting with the Color Micro Journal right now. Was there only 4 issues of that magazine? That's all that are on Malted, Vol 1, issues 1-4. I find that hard to believe. The 1st issue was slam full of good stuff. From theother_bob at yahoo.com Thu Jul 30 23:11:25 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? In-Reply-To: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <951011.51763.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <767983.91044.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Self-modifying code is relatively easy. The real problem here is the CoCo has very limited control of the deck with regards to recording or positioning the tape. Real cassettes don't handle frequent re-recordings well and you will lose data if that is your plan. If using a PC soundcard as a deck, then you might have something useful, but still daunting. With Disk Basic it's much easier to do what you're describing. Manipulating the files on tape is all but impossible. Manipulating files on disk is not trivial, but there are options depending on what you need to accomplish. Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: KB To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:31:04 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Polymorphisim in BASIC? I was thinking of doing a code that has fixed lines, and then a couple of lines are left blank for the computer to write and modify. And when it is done it writes the updated program to the cassette. --- On Tue, 7/28/09, shadow at shadowgard.com wrote: -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From theother_bob at yahoo.com Thu Jul 30 23:16:25 2009 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done In-Reply-To: <4A6EDF79.70409@worldnet.att.net> References: <1j3j23g.h08qr29erkk8M%tlindner@macmess.org> <4A6EDF79.70409@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <410725.92676.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Gault To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:22:33 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Year one done Aaron Wolfe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM, tim lindner wrote: >> I'd like to announce the compleation of the first year of digitizing The >> Rainbow. >> >> >> >> I'm am very proud of the many volunteers that helped reach this >> milestone. >> >> For thoes who don't know: The CoCoMag project's goal is to create a full >> text searchable version of the Rainbow and other CoCo magazines. >> >> Come visit the web site and help out. Magazine digitization is broken >> down to small tasks designed to take less than one minute to complete. >> >> One task-a-day is all I ask. :) >> > > If we are checking/entering text and there is a typo in the original > material, are we to preserve the error? > > >I don't know what Tim wants but I have been correcting both spelling and, in some cases, grammar. -- It seems like it might be slightly revisionist, but God bless you for trying! Keep up the great work! Bob From petrander at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 03:42:01 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:42:01 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Competition? Message-ID: Hi, Regarding Tom Lindner's excellent Rainbow digitization system: I thought a little competition would not harm. In any case it is a great idea with the top contributor list! I have now crept up into the top 3 and gaining in on 68.151.107.163 followed by Robert. It won't be long until I am number two! :-) :-) See if y'all can beat that score, suckers! MUHAHAHA!! Hasta la vista! Fedor From badfrog at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 10:54:11 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:54:11 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Digitization: Competition? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9efa17da0907310754m35fe23e0ta67392641b867b86@mail.gmail.com> I was having fun until I got a code-checking one, almost every 'M' was turned into an 'H', no '=' was correct, along with many, many, many other OCR errors. I'd be amazed if I actually got them all. That one hurt! On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Fedor Steeman wrote: > Hi, > > Regarding Tom Lindner's excellent Rainbow digitization system: I thought a > little competition would not harm. In any case it is a great idea with the > top contributor list! > > I have now crept up into the top 3 and gaining in on 68.151.107.163 followed > by Robert. It won't be long until I am number two! :-) :-) > > See if y'all can beat that score, suckers! MUHAHAHA!! Hasta la vista! > > Fedor > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From petrander at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 15:14:12 2009 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:14:12 +0200 Subject: [Coco] CoCo/OS-9 Archive project ??? Message-ID: What happened to the CoCo/OS-9 Archive project pages at os9projects.com ? I wanted to check whether I needed to scan in a couple of manuals, or whether they were already scanned by someone else. This manual site seems to be down however... what gives? Fedor From pfitchjr at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 31 19:57:43 2009 From: pfitchjr at bellsouth.net (Paul Fitch) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo/OS-9 Archive project ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1899F1A00A5E4D70A2900E3093C1AE91@Dell3Gig> I thought the scanned material would be available to us, the users too. I seem to remember not being able to get anything off of the site in the past when it was up. I just thought it was another 'non-starter' project that has a pretty webpage, and no substance under it. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Fedor Steeman > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:14 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] CoCo/OS-9 Archive project ??? > > What happened to the CoCo/OS-9 Archive project pages at > os9projects.com ? I wanted to check whether I needed to scan > in a couple of manuals, or whether they were already scanned > by someone else. This manual site seems to be down however... > what gives? > Fedor > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From n6il at ocs.net Fri Jul 31 21:28:57 2009 From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:28:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Creating a real floppy from a dsk image over drivewire Message-ID: <2B61289D-A757-41E2-AB0E-C12A1ED599B3@ocs.net> I have found myself without a linux pc with a real floppy drive and need to create a real floppy disk from a dsk image that I have on my Mac. Is there any way to do this? I have tried various things like playing with the drive on/drive off command in hdb dos, and also trying in nitros9 doing backups from /xN to /d0, and also backup f blah.dsk /d0 with no luck. Any hints? From n6il at ocs.net Fri Jul 31 22:11:28 2009 From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:11:28 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Creating a real floppy from a dsk image over drivewire In-Reply-To: <2B61289D-A757-41E2-AB0E-C12A1ED599B3@ocs.net> References: <2B61289D-A757-41E2-AB0E-C12A1ED599B3@ocs.net> Message-ID: <6499C8A6-A0DD-4EF7-8478-D7D999AEF8E9@ocs.net> On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Michael Furman wrote: > I have found myself without a linux pc with a real floppy drive and > need to create a real floppy disk from a dsk image that I have on my > Mac. Is there any way to do this? I have tried various things like > playing with the drive on/drive off command in hdb dos, and also > trying in nitros9 doing backups from /xN to /d0, and also backup f > blah.dsk /d0 with no luck. > > Any hints? Let me clarify a slight ambiguity in my previous message - I have a Coco 3 with a pair of 3.5" drives attached and also have Drivewire 3 running on my Mac laptop but lack my Linux PC that I would normally use to create live floppies from the various .dsk and .os9 images I have around. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jul 31 23:06:35 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:06:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Creating a real floppy from a dsk image over drivewire In-Reply-To: <2B61289D-A757-41E2-AB0E-C12A1ED599B3@ocs.net> References: <2B61289D-A757-41E2-AB0E-C12A1ED599B3@ocs.net> Message-ID: <200907312306.35681.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 31 July 2009, Michael Furman wrote: >I have found myself without a linux pc with a real floppy drive and >need to create a real floppy disk from a dsk image that I have on my >Mac. Is there any way to do this? I have tried various things like >playing with the drive on/drive off command in hdb dos, and also >trying in nitros9 doing backups from /xN to /d0, and also backup f >blah.dsk /d0 with no luck. > >Any hints? > Take the floppy drive from the coco to the linux box, tell the bios its there, and it should work. You'll have to master the cli commands to make it write a coco formatted disk on linux, and may have to install the mdutils to get it all. ISTR that is the right name anyway. Its been a while, somebody correct me if that is the wrong package. I was having interchange problems for a while and did that for a few months. >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. I'm having an emotional outburst!! From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jul 31 23:07:57 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Creating a real floppy from a dsk image over drivewire In-Reply-To: <6499C8A6-A0DD-4EF7-8478-D7D999AEF8E9@ocs.net> References: <2B61289D-A757-41E2-AB0E-C12A1ED599B3@ocs.net> <6499C8A6-A0DD-4EF7-8478-D7D999AEF8E9@ocs.net> Message-ID: <200907312307.57780.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 31 July 2009, Michael Furman wrote: >On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Michael Furman wrote: >> I have found myself without a linux pc with a real floppy drive and >> need to create a real floppy disk from a dsk image that I have on my >> Mac. Is there any way to do this? I have tried various things like >> playing with the drive on/drive off command in hdb dos, and also >> trying in nitros9 doing backups from /xN to /d0, and also backup f >> blah.dsk /d0 with no luck. >> >> Any hints? > >Let me clarify a slight ambiguity in my previous message - I have a >Coco 3 with a pair of 3.5" drives attached and also have Drivewire 3 >running on my Mac laptop but lack my Linux PC that I would normally >use to create live floppies from the various .dsk and .os9 images I >have around. > Ahh, no linux boxen at all. So my advice is just noise, sorry. >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Gosh that takes me back... or is it forward? That's the trouble with time travel, you never can tell." -- Doctor Who, "Androids of Tara" From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Fri Jul 31 23:57:49 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:57:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Creating a real floppy from a dsk image over drivewire In-Reply-To: <6499C8A6-A0DD-4EF7-8478-D7D999AEF8E9@ocs.net> References: <2B61289D-A757-41E2-AB0E-C12A1ED599B3@ocs.net> <6499C8A6-A0DD-4EF7-8478-D7D999AEF8E9@ocs.net> Message-ID: <4A73BD3D.7090307@worldnet.att.net> Michael Furman wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Michael Furman wrote: > >> I have found myself without a linux pc with a real floppy drive and >> need to create a real floppy disk from a dsk image that I have on my >> Mac. Is there any way to do this? I have tried various things like >> playing with the drive on/drive off command in hdb dos, and also >> trying in nitros9 doing backups from /xN to /d0, and also backup f >> blah.dsk /d0 with no luck. >> >> Any hints? > > Let me clarify a slight ambiguity in my previous message - I have a Coco > 3 with a pair of 3.5" drives attached and also have Drivewire 3 running > on my Mac laptop but lack my Linux PC that I would normally use to > create live floppies from the various .dsk and .os9 images I have around. > It can be done but is not easy. Much depends on the size of the images. If you are running OS-9 on the Coco, copying .os9 images is fairly simple with a hard drive system. You just copy all the files from Drivewire to your Coco hard drive. Then with Drivewire off, create a real floppy and transfer all the files. Disk Basic .dsk images are the big problem. You more or less must use a RAM disk on the Coco, transfer files via Drivewire to the RAM disk, restart the Coco without turning it off (leaves the files in the RAM disk), restart the Coco without Drivewire but with the RAM disk and backup the RAM disk to a real floppy. This all requires the Drivewire is not in ROM but is loaded from a Coco floppy or hard drive. If you don't have a hard drive on the Coco, you probably won't be able to transfer images via Drivewire.