From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sun Feb  1 06:30:57 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:30:57 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] i managed to aquire a hp 6300c scanner with
	adf
Message-ID: <gm415h+j7sm@eGroups.com>

it is interstate at the moment.

got it for the price of shipping only!! yippie

when it gets here i can start cutting the spines of my magazine
collection and turning out more pdf files

im in the process of d/l rainbow collection from a premium user at
rapid share.i dont know who did it, but if they read this, thank you
so much for sharing,please keep them up there longer, i have much more
to go.

great collection i assure you. i have spent my entire weekend
downloading the entire 1986 rainbow collection, all 3.4 gigabytes of
it. and being a free user having to wait 15 minutes between each d/l
kind-a-got-boring, but patience and persistence payed off


i have finished scanning in all my coco-link magazines a week or two
ago as well

1989 coco-link is incomplete, but from 1990 till 1995 is complete and
i scanned them very painfully with my usb canon lide20 usb snail pace
scanner

i have sent a copy of these books plus a *TON* of my manuals i
converted to pdf to user "briza" at coco3.com for upload to ftp web site


i will also forward a copy of these files on dvd to Roger, the man who
runs coco3.com web site as well



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 13:28:06 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:28:06 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive in one file
References: <19557.70024.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby>


Here is the T&D software (no manuals) all in one file.

TandD.zip

http://rapidshare.com/files/192376990/TandD.zip 


Size: 19850 KB

This is from a different set of disks (mine). All disks are in disk image format - you can access them from an emulator as is.

I'll post the manuals separately when I can.

Neil


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 13:38:04 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:38:04 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Complete T&D Software Archive in one
	file
In-Reply-To: <A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <gm4q6c+rg9k@eGroups.com>

BTW, you can download the listings of all of the files on these disk 
images here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/database/T&DPart1 

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/database/T&DPart2

Click on each and select "Printable Report" or "Export Table".

Neil

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at ...> 
wrote:

> Here is the T&D software (no manuals) all in one file.
...



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 16:12:43 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:12:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] 1990 Rainbow Magazine Archive now up
Message-ID: <401351.29544.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The 1990 Rainbow Archive is now up. There are a couple of issues I do not have so  If you have any of the missing months scanned please send me a e-mail and I can get then added to the archive.

The links as always are off list at the coco3.com forums here

http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=3994#3994

Enjoy!

 


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From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  2 16:22:24 2009
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:22:24 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Complete T&D Software Archive in
 one	file
In-Reply-To: <gm4q6c+rg9k@eGroups.com>
References: <gm4q6c+rg9k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <49876410.6030403@sbcglobal.net>

Neil,
   Yahoo says Link in nolonger Valid.

John Donaldson


Neil Morrison wrote:

>BTW, you can download the listings of all of the files on these disk 
>images here:
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/database/T&DPart1 
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/database/T&DPart2
>
>Click on each and select "Printable Report" or "Export Table".
>
>Neil
>
>--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at ...> 
>wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Here is the T&D software (no manuals) all in one file.
>>    
>>
>...
>
>
>--
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>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>  
>


-- 


From farna at att.net  Sun Feb  1 16:37:52 2009
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Coco] i managed to acquire a hp 6300c scanner with adf
Message-ID: <49861630.1020208@att.net>

That's a good scanner! I have it's dinosaur predecessor but it works great. SCSI so it's pretty fast, and the ADF works good. If it was duplex capable it would be perfect! Scanning double sided material is a pain, but I've figured out how to do it reasonably well. 

I use a scan-to-PDF package called Terascan (http://www.icoya.com/produkt/eforms/terascan). The evaluation version is fully functional, but puts a "water mark" across the page. It doesn't interfere with reading the page, but can be annoying. I forget how much it cost to register, but it was reasonable (under $50... I'm thinking in the $25-$35 range...) and it's very easy to use. No conversions or anything -- just start the program and tell it to start scanning! 

You will also need some PDF editing tools. I found PDFill PDF Tools (http://www.pdfill.com/pdf_tools_free.html). These are free for personal use with no watermarks. You can't alter the file itself, but can manipulate the files, including merging several files into one and re-ordering the pages. 

I scan all of one side of about 10 pages into a file, flip them over, and continue scanning the back side into the same file (20 pages total). I then re-order the pages so they are in numerical order rather than odd then even pages. I continue this until finished. It's a bit tedious for a large publication or a large number of smaller publications, but works rather well. 

I once had access to a duplex scanner at work. Boss said I could come in after hours and scan some material in as long as I deleted my files immediately and used my own CDs to burn the files. Took me over 24 hours to scan in a large old car parts book -- thin pages too! Thin about scanning in a large city two volume phone book... 3000 pages or so? It was about 4" thick! It would have taken three times as long to do on a single sided scanner even with an ADF. I'm considering getting a duplex scanner now that there are a few on the used market under $100. 

---------------
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:30:57 -0000
From: "stinger30au" <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>

got it for the price of shipping only!! yippie

when it gets here i can start cutting the spines of my magazine
collection and turning out more pdf files



-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb  1 18:06:17 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:06:17 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
Message-ID: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>

Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general 
purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?

1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM 
Pak + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak, 
approx. ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port

1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which 
will give your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system + 
HTTP request capabilities using your PC as the resource base and 
enhanced BASIC commands for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet 
is "transparent" and ready on power-up.
-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Sun Feb  1 18:21:43 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:21:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <DA7444B241224F9180ED6AA69883D821@speedy>

The cost totals will make a difference.  I KNOW that I would love #2, now 
that I have gotten a NetBook and Palms with wireless and bluetooth.  But the 
up front price will be a factor.

Bruce W.



> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general purpose 
> RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>
> 1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM Pak 
> + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
> 2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak, approx. 
> ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port
>
> 1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which will 
> give your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system + HTTP request 
> capabilities using your PC as the resource base and enhanced BASIC 
> commands for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet is "transparent" and 
> ready on power-up.
> -- 
> Roger Taylor 



From johnguin at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 18:36:32 2009
From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:36:32 -0800
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <DA7444B241224F9180ED6AA69883D821@speedy>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<DA7444B241224F9180ED6AA69883D821@speedy>
Message-ID: <BAY138-DS158DF7D2FC40250B1795DD9C40@phx.gbl>

I would prefer the wireless solution as well.  I simply don't want to
re-cable anything at this point...

John

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:22 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey

The cost totals will make a difference.  I KNOW that I would love #2, now 
that I have gotten a NetBook and Palms with wireless and bluetooth.  But the

up front price will be a factor.

Bruce W.



> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general purpose 
> RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>
> 1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM Pak 
> + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
> 2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak, approx. 
> ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port
>
> 1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which will 
> give your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system + HTTP request

> capabilities using your PC as the resource base and enhanced BASIC 
> commands for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet is "transparent" and 
> ready on power-up.
> -- 
> Roger Taylor 


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From diegoba at adinet.com.uy  Sun Feb  1 18:42:42 2009
From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (Diego Barizo)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:42:42 -0200
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <49863372.10102@adinet.com.uy>

Roger Taylor wrote:
> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general 
> purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>
> 1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM 
> Pak + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
> 2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak, 
> approx. ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port
>
> 1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which will 
> give your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system + HTTP 
> request capabilities using your PC as the resource base and enhanced 
> BASIC commands for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet is 
> "transparent" and ready on power-up.
I would pick the least expensive one, but that might be because the 
average income in this country is under 1/5 of the average in the US :-S

Diego



From ed.orbea at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 18:52:41 2009
From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:52:41 -0800
Subject: [Coco]  CoCoNet/serial pak survey
Message-ID: <498635C9.10200@gmail.com>

I would rather go for higher quality than lower cost, but I might be an 
exception in today's economy. So option #2 or option #3 are my choices.

Ed Orbea


From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 19:04:06 2009
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:04:06 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <D1B8125F-EF7F-41D9-85A0-FD2B72C39619@gmail.com>

On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:
> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general  
> purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>
> 1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet  
> (ROM Pak + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
> 2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak,  
> approx. ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port

Since I already have DriveWire, I don't know if option #1 would be a  
sufficiently compelling upgrade.  I think option #2 would be much more  
interesting, despite it being far more pricey an alternative.

Of course, since I am Mac rather than Windows-based, I guess I  
wouldn't be buying anything at all.  So my opinion may justifiably be  
ignored!  ;-)

-- JP



From alsplace at pobox.com  Sun Feb  1 19:06:58 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:06:58 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <C478CC14-4CCE-41E3-8BC1-9C08A7ABA057@pobox.com>

On Feb 1, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:
> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general  
> purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?


If we could get Mac support, I'd go for the wireless in a heartbeat,  
else cable. (I'll have to check to see if wireless via virtual machine  
works well -- not sure if Bluetooth goes through the VM.)

		-- Allen



From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 19:54:34 2009
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:54:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <938136.10495.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:

> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or
> general purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
> 

THIS ONE --> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9
> port
> 

The Radio Shack 232 pak is too long and often wiggles in the Multi-Pak, locking up the computer.  I've given up on it and move files from the Linux PC on a 5.25" floppy, and from the Windows PC on a CD-ROM.



      


From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb  1 20:04:11 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:04:11 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <D1B8125F-EF7F-41D9-85A0-FD2B72C39619@gmail.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<D1B8125F-EF7F-41D9-85A0-FD2B72C39619@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090202010416.19CFC20A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 06:04 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote:
>On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:
>>Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general
>>purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>>
>>1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet
>>(ROM Pak + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
>>2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak,
>>approx. ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
>>3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port
>
>Since I already have DriveWire, I don't know if option #1 would be a
>sufficiently compelling upgrade.  I think option #2 would be much more
>interesting, despite it being far more pricey an alternative.
>
>Of course, since I am Mac rather than Windows-based, I guess I
>wouldn't be buying anything at all.  So my opinion may justifiably be
>ignored!  ;-)


Hopefully a server app can be written for the Mac in due time.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb  1 20:11:25 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:11:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <938136.10495.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<938136.10495.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090202011134.1B2E320A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 06:54 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote:



>--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:
>
> > Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or
> > general purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
> >
>
>THIS ONE --> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9
> > port
> >
>
>The Radio Shack 232 pak is too long and often wiggles in the 
>Multi-Pak, locking up the computer.  I've given up on it and move 
>files from the Linux PC on a 5.25" floppy, and from the Windows PC on a CD-ROM.


These paks do not wiggle and they'll look similar to game cartridges, 
only better.  :)

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 20:45:55 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:45:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <827293.34261.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there any plans for coco to USB interface options?



Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote: Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general 
purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?

1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM 
Pak + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak, 
approx. ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port

1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which 
will give your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system + 
HTTP request capabilities using your PC as the resource base and 
enhanced BASIC commands for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet 
is "transparent" and ready on power-up.
-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



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From mdelyea at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 21:17:36 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:17:36 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <827293.34261.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<827293.34261.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80902011817s20943f46mbd1abdec09181c94@mail.gmail.com>

3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port

Of course I'll need to get a multipak first.

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Derek <dml_68 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is there any plans for coco to USB interface options?
>
>
>
> Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote: Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general
> purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>
> 1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM
> Pak + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
> 2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak,
> approx. ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port
>
> 1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which
> will give your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system +
> HTTP request capabilities using your PC as the resource base and
> enhanced BASIC commands for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet
> is "transparent" and ready on power-up.
> --
> Roger Taylor
>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>
> ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb  1 21:30:58 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:30:58 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <827293.34261.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<827293.34261.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090202023105.9159D20A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 07:45 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote:
>Is there any plans for coco to USB interface options?

No plans here but anything that translates serial data for the CoCo 
either through the bitbanger port or the 6551 ACIA sounds neat to me.



-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb  1 22:04:39 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:04:39 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80902011817s20943f46mbd1abdec09181c94@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<827293.34261.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1b52e6c80902011817s20943f46mbd1abdec09181c94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090202030445.5460720A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 08:17 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote:
>3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port
>
>Of course I'll need to get a multipak first.

That just depends on whether you really need one or not.  The CoCoNet 
ROM will be in the paks meaning you get a virtual drive system + 
serial port in one pak (except for the bitbanger version which is 
only an EPROM pak).  You can decide to ditch your floppy controller 
and drives if you want, but we've heard the disclaimers about going 
100% virtual so it's your own choice to do so or not.  I'd just 
forget about the handful of software that won't run on anything but a 
real controller and keep having fun.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 22:46:36 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:46:36 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Complete T&D Software Archive in
	one	file
References: <gm4q6c+rg9k@eGroups.com> <49876410.6030403@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <93945AC58AD3430E83EE5DFB6C90D463@NewBaby>


Just go to http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/database/

and click on each link. Works fine for me!.

     Name:  T&DPart1 
      Table Description:  A master index for T&D Software Issue 1 to 60  
      ISSUE   PROGRAM NAME  LANGUAGE  SUBJECT  MEMORY  COCO3?  DISK?  PRINTER?  JOYSTICKS?  
      001 FIRST COVER BASIC GRAPHIC 16K N N N N 
      001 CALENDAR BASIC HOME 16K N N N N 
      001 ROBOT WAR BASIC GAME 16K N N N Y 
      001 RACETRACK BASIC GAME 16K N N N N 
      001 HANGMAN BASIC GAME 16K N N N N 
      001 MUSIC ALBUM BASIC MUSIC 16K N N N N 
      001 LIFE EXPECTANCY BASIC HEALTH 16K N N N N 
      001 WORD TESTS BASIC EDUCATION 16K N N N N 
      001 KILLER MANSION BASIC ADVENTURE 16K N N N N 
      001 BARTENDER BASIC HOME 16K N N N N 


Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Donaldson" <johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net>

> Neil,
>   Yahoo says Link in nolonger Valid.
> 
> John Donaldson
> 
> 
> Neil Morrison wrote:
> 
>>BTW, you can download the listings of all of the files on these disk 
>>images here:
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 23:12:14 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 22:12:14 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <006901c984ec$6e754fe0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Taylor"

> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general purpose 
> RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>
> 1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM Pak 
> + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
> 2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak, approx. 
> ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port
>
> 1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which will 
> give your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system + HTTP request 
> capabilities using your PC as the resource base and enhanced BASIC 
> commands for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet is "transparent" and 
> ready on power-up.
> -- 


 I'm sure my system is different than most others on this list. I only use 
OS9 and I do have serial ports(6551).
 Make your ideas work with this and I'll bite.

George 



From SFischer1 at Mindspring.com  Sun Feb  1 23:22:21 2009
From: SFischer1 at Mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:22:21 -0800
Subject: [Coco] 6809 BASIC
Message-ID: <0039531D235347228CC5846831BF6C43@Shasta>

Hi,

I used TSC's Flex Basic (And it's Basic preprocessor) when I developed
Urbane Using some FLEX emulator on my PC.

I also have TSC's development system (Without Disk, console and so on
drivers). Samples supplied!

If you do not get what you need, E-Mail me: a_nani_mouse at mindspring.com

I got my home built 6809 system running FLEX using the instructions they 
supplied, after replacing 2 (TWO!!!) bad floppy disk drives.

SHF




> as a SWTPC. I haven't added the disk drive circuit yet, so I can't use
> flex and I'm looking for a BASIC that will work with my system. Is
> there a BASIC for the 6809 systems with serial I/O?
>
> Vince



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 23:31:14 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:31:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] 1990 Rainbow Magazine Archive now up
Message-ID: <429521.29645.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The 1990 Rainbow Archive is now up. There are a couple of issues I do not have so  If you have any of the missing months scanned please send me a e-mail and I can get then added to the archive.

The links as always are off list at the coco3.com forums here

http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=3994#3994

Enjoy!

 




 

           



** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **


 


       


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 23:39:48 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:39:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090202023105.9159D20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <814222.33076.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have this device for my Atari 800 to PC that does the same kind of things your coconet package will do I hope.  http://www.atarimax.com/sio2pc/documentation/

Except the coconet looks like it will have much better coco to internet functionality than this atari does. It just allows you to telnet but no http support. I am looking forward to your release (the ability to interact with my real coco drive and the disk images stored on my PC at the same time is very important to me. I cant wait for your coconet item to be up for sale!

Thank you

Derek






Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote: At 07:45 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote:
>Is there any plans for coco to USB interface options?

No plans here but anything that translates serial data for the CoCo 
either through the bitbanger port or the 6551 ACIA sounds neat to me.



-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


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From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  2 00:46:52 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:46:52 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CocoFest Seminars
Message-ID: <498688CC.6000800@sbcglobal.net>

Well, I have my room reserved for the Fest.
And I would like topics for the seminars. Eddie Kuns and I will talk 
about Linux installation and setup.
The topics suggested should be something you would like to talk about. I 
am not looking for a topic and then need to find someone to do it, you 
need to be there.
Bye for now
Brian

-- 
Brian Goers
Glenside Vice-President of Special Events
IDE Boards are available.

The 18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST!
Will be held March 28 & 29 2009
Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin.

The website had to be moved due to the abrupt shut-down of AOL's Hometown.
Here's the new URL:
http://ncmedals.com/glenside/index.html




From petrander at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 01:25:44 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:25:44 +0100
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] i managed to aquire a hp 6300c scanner
	with adf
In-Reply-To: <gm415h+j7sm@eGroups.com>
References: <gm415h+j7sm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902012225wcc8b250u4c77a382809691a6@mail.gmail.com>

Hey cool & congrats!

I acquired the same for about a year ago and my goal is also to scan in a
whole bunch of (copies of) Coco-manuals which is a blast with the document
feeder!

FYI I am uploading my docs at http://www.steeman.dk/CoCoManuals

I am busy scanning in a (huge) third batch that I will announce pretty soon.


Good luck with the scanning!

Cheers,

Fedor

2009/2/1 stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>

> it is interstate at the moment.
>
> got it for the price of shipping only!! yippie
>
> when it gets here i can start cutting the spines of my magazine
> collection and turning out more pdf files
>
> im in the process of d/l rainbow collection from a premium user at
> rapid share.i dont know who did it, but if they read this, thank you
> so much for sharing,please keep them up there longer, i have much more
> to go.
>
> great collection i assure you. i have spent my entire weekend
> downloading the entire 1986 rainbow collection, all 3.4 gigabytes of
> it. and being a free user having to wait 15 minutes between each d/l
> kind-a-got-boring, but patience and persistence payed off
>
>
> i have finished scanning in all my coco-link magazines a week or two
> ago as well
>
> 1989 coco-link is incomplete, but from 1990 till 1995 is complete and
> i scanned them very painfully with my usb canon lide20 usb snail pace
> scanner
>
> i have sent a copy of these books plus a *TON* of my manuals i
> converted to pdf to user "briza" at coco3.com for upload to ftp web site
>
>
> i will also forward a copy of these files on dvd to Roger, the man who
> runs coco3.com web site as well
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From petrander at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 01:29:05 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:29:05 +0100
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive in one
	file
In-Reply-To: <A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby>
References: <19557.70024.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902012229x2e80796fo5aa5e8c99ba8d0f9@mail.gmail.com>

Great!

I have (copies of) the manuals. Would you like me to scan them in?

Cheers,
Fedor

2009/2/1 Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>

>
> Here is the T&D software (no manuals) all in one file.
>
> TandD.zip
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/192376990/TandD.zip
>
>
> Size: 19850 KB
>
> This is from a different set of disks (mine). All disks are in disk image
> format - you can access them from an emulator as is.
>
> I'll post the manuals separately when I can.
>
> Neil
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 02:56:36 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:56:36 +1000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive in onefile
References: <19557.70024.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby>
	<dcc956220902012229x2e80796fo5aa5e8c99ba8d0f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f101c9850b$c83cebe0$0701a8c0@master>

Fedor,
please do scan those T&D manuals. That would nicely round out my collection.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fedor Steeman" <petrander at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive in 
onefile


> Great!
>
> I have (copies of) the manuals. Would you like me to scan them in?
>
> Cheers,
> Fedor
>
> 2009/2/1 Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
>
>>
>> Here is the T&D software (no manuals) all in one file.
>>
>> TandD.zip
>>
>> http://rapidshare.com/files/192376990/TandD.zip
>>
>>
>> Size: 19850 KB
>>
>> This is from a different set of disks (mine). All disks are in disk image
>> format - you can access them from an emulator as is.
>>
>> I'll post the manuals separately when I can.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From petrander at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 03:04:45 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:04:45 +0100
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive in onefile
In-Reply-To: <00f101c9850b$c83cebe0$0701a8c0@master>
References: <19557.70024.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby>
	<dcc956220902012229x2e80796fo5aa5e8c99ba8d0f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f101c9850b$c83cebe0$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902020004w7572a1daw9a1c5010df99b0ee@mail.gmail.com>

Will do! :-)

2009/2/2 Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com>

> Fedor,
> please do scan those T&D manuals. That would nicely round out my
> collection.
>
> --
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl<http://www.home.gil.com.au/%7Ebdevasl>
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fedor Steeman" <petrander at gmail.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive in
> onefile
>
>
>
>  Great!
>>
>> I have (copies of) the manuals. Would you like me to scan them in?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Fedor
>>
>> 2009/2/1 Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>> Here is the T&D software (no manuals) all in one file.
>>>
>>> TandD.zip
>>>
>>> http://rapidshare.com/files/192376990/TandD.zip
>>>
>>>
>>> Size: 19850 KB
>>>
>>> This is from a different set of disks (mine). All disks are in disk image
>>> format - you can access them from an emulator as is.
>>>
>>> I'll post the manuals separately when I can.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From petrander at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 03:09:49 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:09:49 +0100
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] 5 1/4" Floppy Drive
In-Reply-To: <glvkfl+ff34@eGroups.com>
References: <glvkfl+ff34@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902020009l4aab3d8crde34ed3443557252@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean,

I have so far had most success with hooking up a DD 3,5" drive to my CoCo.
That way, there is no need to install a special drive in your PC.

You would however need a different floppy cable to mate the disk controller
end with the 3.5" floppy end. Also, you would need a bunch of Double Density
3.5" diskettes (modern HD floppies cannot be used AFAIK).

Alternatively, you could use products like DriveWire and the coming CoCoNet
to transfer files. I have many times been tempted to acquire the fantastic
DriveWire product myself.

Cheers,
Fedor

2009/1/30 seanrussoct08 <seanruss at netzero.net>

> Hi to all Coco users!
>
> I am dusting off my old coco's and have a question.  I apologize if
> this is the millionth floppy question on here.  I called the local
> used computer store and the man said they have a large bucket of 5
> 1/4" floppy drives they sell for $5.00 ea.  But he doesn't know if
> they are 360K or what.
>
> My question is, will any 5 1/4" floppy drive work for transferring
> files from a PC to a Coco?  I should mention that i have a FD502 stock
> single sided low density floppy in the coco.  Should I get 2 and put
> one in the PC & one in the coco?  By the way I have a coco2 64K and a
> coco 3 128K.  I don't have OS-9 yet, i would like to download
> NitrOS-9, and other programs.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 03:07:40 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:07:40 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive in onefile
References: <19557.70024.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby>
	<dcc956220902012229x2e80796fo5aa5e8c99ba8d0f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EEE48BB7A9042F2A66B107627B6CAAB@NewBaby>


No thanks. I've OCR'd them all and have them ready to post which I will do 
in a day or two. This way they are searchable, and quite a bit smaller.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fedor Steeman" <petrander at gmail.com>

> I have (copies of) the manuals. Would you like me to scan them in?
>
> Cheers,
> Fedor



From petrander at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 03:20:31 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:20:31 +0100
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902020020k3f51508dn43e3f62d451a9006@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rog',

With a hundred feet (30 meter) range wireless connection would just about
connect the CoCo in one end of my house to the PC in the other, so I would
prefer option 2.

If option 2 is too expensive I would prefer option 1. I do have a multipak
that I would be able to put into good use.

Cheers,
Fedor

2009/2/2 Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>

> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general purpose
> RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>
> 1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM Pak +
> 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
> 2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak, approx.
> ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
> 3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port
>
> 1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which will give
> your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system + HTTP request
> capabilities using your PC as the resource base and enhanced BASIC commands
> for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet is "transparent" and ready on
> power-up.
> --
> Roger Taylor
>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Mon Feb  2 06:58:52 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:58:52 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
Message-ID: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>

this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory

i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been hunting
to find a pdf version.

does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if so
where i can get it from??

Thanks



From petrander at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 07:40:40 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:40:40 +0100
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I will take a look in my collection of copies for ya'...

Cheers,
Fedor

2009/2/2 stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>

> this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory
>
> i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been hunting
> to find a pdf version.
>
> does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if so
> where i can get it from??
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From mdelyea at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 09:42:41 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>
	<dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>

I have a pdf version if you can tell me where you want it sent.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Fedor Steeman <petrander at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I will take a look in my collection of copies for ya'...
>
> Cheers,
> Fedor
>
> 2009/2/2 stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>
>
>> this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory
>>
>> i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been hunting
>> to find a pdf version.
>>
>> does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if so
>> where i can get it from??
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 10:20:33 2009
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:20:33 -0800
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0902020720n5c49ec3bg9cd7be6f35468888@mail.gmail.com>

Has any thought been given to using flash instead of eeprom- for udpates?


Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote: Which one of these would you likely
pick for CoCoNet or general
purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?

1) least expensive, game pak sized, bitbanger version of CoCoNet (ROM
Pak + 5 foot serial cable), 57600/115200 bps
2) more expensive, game pak sized, Wireless/bluetooth RS-232 pak,
approx. ~100ft range, up to 115200 bps
3) average cost, game pak sized, new RS-232 Pak with DB-9 port

1 and 2 will be produced soon and contain the CoCoNet EPROM which
will give your CoCo a Disk BASIC 1.1 virtual floppy drive system +
HTTP request capabilities using your PC as the resource base and
enhanced BASIC commands for all functions.  In other words, CoCoNet
is "transparent" and ready on power-up.
--
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 12:28:17 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:28:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <257205.87445.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

May want to get a look for it here: http://excalibur1.net/coco/Books%20&%20Manuals/

If someone has it they can upload it to the FTP (instructions are here) and he will get it on the web site when he gets a chance: http://excalibur1.net/coco/Coco_repository_information.htm 

stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au> wrote: this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory

i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been hunting
to find a pdf version.

does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if so
where i can get it from??

Thanks


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From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 13:38:43 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:38:43 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive: Documentation
References: <19557.70024.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby><dcc956220902012229x2e80796fo5aa5e8c99ba8d0f9@mail.gmail.com><00f101c9850b$c83cebe0$0701a8c0@master>
	<dcc956220902020004w7572a1daw9a1c5010df99b0ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4BDD2D69A86465695AAEFEC8476B982@NewBaby>


Here is the documentation. If you spot any errors, let me know off list.

http://rapidshare.com/files/193021047/T_And_D_Documentation.zip

Size: 9606 KB

Neil



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 14:53:41 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:53:41 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com><dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby>

Throw it up on Rapidshare and post a link!

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>

> I have a pdf version if you can tell me where you want it sent.



From Torsten at Dittel.info  Mon Feb  2 15:15:10 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:15:10 +0100
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <gm7k8b$299$1@ger.gmane.org>

Roger Taylor schrieb:

> approx. ~100ft range

Is this planned to be a Class I device? Would expect up to 300 feet then 
(~100m). Should be >= Bluetooth V1.2 to allow Adaptive Frequency Hopping 
spread spectrum transmission, which makes it less interference-prone if 
static HF sources (e.g. WLAN) in the 2.4GHz band are present.

Have you thought about providing both 9-pin RS-232 serial connector AND 
Bluetooth? Maybe selectable by a switch at tha pack?

Regards,
Torsten




From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 16:20:54 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:20:54 -0600
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
Message-ID: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>

Here's a company we need to keep an eye on.  The Western Design Center, Inc.
If they can do for the 6809 what they did for the 6502, (creating a 
100+mhz and 200+mhz version), what an amazing thing this would be.

Here's their 6821 PIA replacement that can work with 14 mhz buses.
http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c21s-chip.cfm

Here's their 6551 ACIA replacement.  I have one that I'll be testing 
in a socketed RS-232 Pak and the new bluetooth CoCoNet pak to see 
what differences I can find.
http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c51s-chip.cfm

Here's the other chips they offer.....
http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/chips.cfm
-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From mdelyea at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 16:26:38 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby>
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>
	<dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>
	<B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80902021326q65d82e4qd9279c5b58296516@mail.gmail.com>

http://rapidshare.com/files/193088751/Inside_OS-9_Level_II__1987__Kevin_Darling_.pdf.html

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Throw it up on Rapidshare and post a link!
>
> Neil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>
>
>> I have a pdf version if you can tell me where you want it sent.
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From sklammer at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 16:48:46 2009
From: sklammer at gmail.com (Shain Klammer)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:48:46 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <gm7k8b$299$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<gm7k8b$299$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3925f0b0902021348x7c02a0b8lab8cab90829719f3@mail.gmail.com>

If there's room in the shell, I'd like to see both (or all three) options on
the board as well.  It could be populated with only the parts for the
requested feature; yet could allow the end-user to "upgrade".

Would you also be considering a kit version?

As an aside, what kind of cost would be involved if this was implemented
within a small FPGA(?) with a flash card reader?  It could be similar to a
multi-cart which would bring up a menu allowing selection of the "ROM"
version to load; and, couldn't the card reader also double as a means of
re-programming the FPGA?

sk

2009/2/2 Torsten Dittel <Torsten at dittel.info>

> Roger Taylor schrieb:
>
> approx. ~100ft range
>>
>
> Is this planned to be a Class I device? Would expect up to 300 feet then
> (~100m). Should be >= Bluetooth V1.2 to allow Adaptive Frequency Hopping
> spread spectrum transmission, which makes it less interference-prone if
> static HF sources (e.g. WLAN) in the 2.4GHz band are present.
>
> Have you thought about providing both 9-pin RS-232 serial connector AND
> Bluetooth? Maybe selectable by a switch at tha pack?
>
> Regards,
> Torsten
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From fortinp at cgocable.ca  Mon Feb  2 17:21:18 2009
From: fortinp at cgocable.ca (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:21:18 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive:
	Documentation
In-Reply-To: <C4BDD2D69A86465695AAEFEC8476B982@NewBaby>
References: <19557.70024.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby><dcc956220902012229x2e80796fo5aa5e8c99ba8d0f9@mail.gmail.com><00f101c9850b$c83cebe0$0701a8c0@master>
	<dcc956220902020004w7572a1daw9a1c5010df99b0ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<C4BDD2D69A86465695AAEFEC8476B982@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <498771DE.6050400@cgocable.ca>

Sorry, i speak french and i use a translator.


I created him(it) in the only one pdf whom I put you here:

http://dl.free.fr/jJJX2JYyu

Click to "T?l?charger ce fichier".
*

*
Neil Morrison a ?crit :
> Here is the documentation. If you spot any errors, let me know off list.
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/193021047/T_And_D_Documentation.zip
>
> Size: 9606 KB
>
> Neil
>   



From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 18:21:18 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:21:18 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <3925f0b0902021348x7c02a0b8lab8cab90829719f3@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<gm7k8b$299$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<3925f0b0902021348x7c02a0b8lab8cab90829719f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090202232134.E3F5120A15@qs281.pair.com>

At 03:48 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>If there's room in the shell, I'd like to see both (or all three) options on
>the board as well.  It could be populated with only the parts for the
>requested feature; yet could allow the end-user to "upgrade".

All paks will be bitbanger capable as an option in CoCoNet.


>Would you also be considering a kit version?

Doing so would mean I'd have to offer the assembled version at a 
higher cost (something I don't want to do).




>As an aside, what kind of cost would be involved if this was implemented
>within a small FPGA(?) with a flash card reader?  It could be similar to a
>multi-cart which would bring up a menu allowing selection of the "ROM"
>version to load; and, couldn't the card reader also double as a means of
>re-programming the FPGA?

The pak you describe would be a different beast altogether.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 18:47:31 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:47:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>

I'm looking for a definitive answer on whether accesses between ff60-ff7e 
are supposed to be decoded by the Multi-Pak and/or slot cartridges.

All the docs seem to indicate that the SCS region is ff40-ff5f and the 
control register for the MP is at ff7f.  So, who owns the in-between 
addresses?

I have a set of PAL equations for the older (large) MP that suggest it 
listens to the entire ff40-ff7f range, but it would be good to get a 
second opinion :-).

Steve




-- 


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 18:55:54 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:55:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090202232134.E3F5120A15@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <402178.1205.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Will the pack allow you to interact with both real coco disk drives and disk images at the same time? I have literally hundreds of real coco disks I would like to get made into disk images and archived on the PC end



Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote: At 03:48 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>If there's room in the shell, I'd like to see both (or all three) options on
>the board as well.  It could be populated with only the parts for the
>requested feature; yet could allow the end-user to "upgrade".

All paks will be bitbanger capable as an option in CoCoNet.


>Would you also be considering a kit version?

Doing so would mean I'd have to offer the assembled version at a 
higher cost (something I don't want to do).




>As an aside, what kind of cost would be involved if this was implemented
>within a small FPGA(?) with a flash card reader?  It could be similar to a
>multi-cart which would bring up a menu allowing selection of the "ROM"
>version to load; and, couldn't the card reader also double as a means of
>re-programming the FPGA?

The pak you describe would be a different beast altogether.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


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From snhirsch at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 19:01:05 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:01:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <402178.1205.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <402178.1205.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021858590.27957@duo>

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Derek wrote:

> Will the pack allow you to interact with both real coco disk drives and 
> disk images at the same time? I have literally hundreds of real coco 
> disks I would like to get made into disk images and archived on the PC 
> end

You shouldn't need a real CoCo drive for that.  I'm able to read CoCo 
diskettes on a track-by-track image basis from a Linux box.  Should be 
able to do that under Winders as well.

Writing to CoCo diskettes on a PC can be a bit difficult under some 
circumstances, but reading is (or should be) very straightforward.



-- 


From adit at nationsdial.com  Mon Feb  2 19:21:10 2009
From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:21:10 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0281A22C-4D8A-4024-A3D4-02044180CF42@nationsdial.com>

"Inside OS-9 Level 2'  has already been turned into a pdf by me and  
is included in the CoCo/OS-9 archive. I THINK there may be a copy up  
on maltedmedia. It would be under 'Tutorials' or 'Info' I believe.   
Perhaps someone could do a better scan than mine, but outside of that  
there is no reason to rescan it (go for the stuff we don't have yet)


Dean


On Feb 2, 2009, at 3:58 AM, stinger30au wrote:

> this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory
>
> i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been hunting
> to find a pdf version.
>
> does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if so
> where i can get it from??
>
> Thanks
>
>
> 



From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com  Mon Feb  2 19:36:25 2009
From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:36:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <a34fo4db2eplf1orehia8p85cd311napcj@4ax.com>

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:47:31 -0500 (EST), Steven Hirsch
<snhirsch at gmail.com> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out:

>I'm looking for a definitive answer on whether accesses between ff60-ff7e 
>are supposed to be decoded by the Multi-Pak and/or slot cartridges.
>
>All the docs seem to indicate that the SCS region is ff40-ff5f and the 
>control register for the MP is at ff7f.  So, who owns the in-between 
>addresses?
>
>I have a set of PAL equations for the older (large) MP that suggest it 
>listens to the entire ff40-ff7f range, but it would be good to get a 
>second opinion :-).
>
>Steve

From a 2001 email.  The list doesn't have everything that was made for
the Coco.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FF00:     Keyboard row scan

FF01:     0,1  Hsync IRQ control
          2    changes FF00 to DDR
          7    Hsync flag

FF02:     Keyboard column scan

FF03:     0,1  Vsync IRQ control
          2    changes FF02 to DDR
          7    Vsync flag

  $FF1x is a mirror of $FF0x.   BUT writing to $FF0x gets the GIME
excited about SAM registers.  Writing/reading $FF1x gets you direct
access to the hardware PIA pins, without having the GIME do funny
stuff to your SAM registers. (Alan DeKok)



FF20:     0    Cassette in
          1    Bit Bang out
          2,7  D/A converter

FF21:     0,1  Carrier FIRQ control
          2    changes FF20 to DDR
          3    cassette motor
          7    carrier detect flag

FF22:     0    Bit Bang in
          1    single bit sound out
          2    mirror FF02.6
          3    RGB monitor flag
          4,7  VDG control

FF23:     0,1  Cartridge FIRQ control
          2    changes FF22 to DDR
          3    sound enable
          7    cartridge interrupt flag

  The same thing holds true here.  $FF3x is a mirror of $FF2x, without
getting the GIME involved. (Alan DeKok)


FF40 \
:     >   Drive Controller
FF4F /

FF50 \
:     >  Tandy, Disto mini controller, mirror of drive controller
FF5F /

FF50 \
:     >   Disto Mini Expansion Bus
FF57 /

FF50 \
:     > IDE controller default
FF58 /

   The IDE board memory map is as follows:
$FFx0 - 1st 8 bits of DATA register
$FFx1 - Error (read) / Features (Write) register
$FFx2 - Sector count register
$FFx3 - Sector # register
$FFx4 - Cylinder low byte
$FFx5 - Cylinder high byte
$FFx6 - Device/head register
$FFx7 - Status (read) / Command (Write) register
$FFx8 - 2nd 8 bits of DATA register (latch)

    Please note, that if you are using ATAPI, most of these change
(which is
why the current driver will not handle ATAPI, except for detecting
it's
presence). (L. Curtis Boyle)

FF60 \                  FF60 X position of pen
:     >   X-pad         FF61 Y position of pen
FF63 /                  FF62 Z pos/pressure of pen
                        FF63 ???

FF68 \
      >   RS-232 pak 6551
FF6B /

FF6C \
:     >   Modem Pak 6551 ACIA
FF6F /

FF70 > alternate address of LR-Tech SASI controller
FF74 > default address of LR-Tech SASI controller

FF70 \
:     > IDE controller alternate address
FF78 /

FF7D \
:     >   Speech/Sound pak  FF7E speech chip register
FF7E /

FF7F  >   Multi-Pak interface slot control switch (0=0,17=1,34=2,51=3)

FF74 \
:     >   Disto SCII haltless controller additional addresses
FF77 /

FF7A \                          FF7A left channel d/a
:     >   Orchestra 90-CC Pak   FF7B right channel d/a
FF7B /

TC^3 SCSI interface uses two addresses anywhere from FF60-FF7F

FF90:     7    CoCo 1/2 compatable map
          6    MMU enable
          5    IRQ enable
          4    FIRQ enable
          3    DRAM @ xFExx is constant
          2    standard SCS
          1,0  ROM control (00=16k int/ext, 10=32k int, 11=32k ext)

FF91:     5    timer select (0=63 microseconds, 1=70 nanoseconds)
          0    MMU task select (TR)

According to John "Sockmaster" Kowalski, that 70ns timer input is
really 279ns (=3.579MHz).  The 70ns value is either an ordinary typo
or an obsoleted holdover from an earlier never-manufactured design.
The 63.5us source is the 15.75KHz horizontal sweep.

FF92:     5    timer               \
          4    Horizontal border    \
          3    Verticle border       > IRQ enable
          2    Bit Bang in          /
          1    key press           /
          0    cartridge          /

FF93:     5    timer               \
          4    Horizontal boarder   \
          3    Verticle border       > FIRQ enable
          2    Bit Bang in          /
          1    key press           /
          0    cartridge          /

FF94:     Timer MSN
FF95:     Timer LSB

FF98:     7    bit plane
          5    burst phase invert
          4    monochrome                : 000=1 (graphics)  011=8
          3    50hz verticle sync       /  001=2 (CoCo 1/2)  100=9
          2,0  lines per character row <   010=3             110=12

FF99:     6,5  Lines per field (00=192, 01=200, 11=225) \
          4,2  Horizontal resolution                     > video
resolution
          1,0  Color resolution                         /

Due to a design error in the GIME, the "200-line" mode only displays
199 lines of active video on the screen.  If you do the BASIC pokes
for 25 lines on the WIDTH 40 and WIDTH 80 screens, you will see the
blinking underscore cursor disappear at the bottom line.  If the
graphic screens are poked for 200 lines, the bottom-most line will
be #198, not #199.  Try it and see. (Rodney V Hamilton)



FF9A:     5,0  Border color register

FF9C:     3,0  Vertical scroll     LSN
FF9D:          Vertical offset     MSB
FF9E:          Vertical offset     LSB

FF9F:     7    Virtual horizontal enable
          6,0  virtual horizontal offset

FFA0 \
:     > MMU @ TR=0
FFA8 /
FFA9 \
:     > MMU @ TR=1
FFAF /

FFB0 \
:     > Palette registers
FFBF /

FFDF      ROM disable         \
FFD9      CPU rate             \
FFD3 \                          \
:     >   Display offset         > SAM emulation echo
FFC7 /                          /
FFC5 \                         /
:     >   Display mode        /
FFC1 /                       /

FFFE:     RESET vector
FFFC:     NMI   vector
FFFA:     SWI1  vector
FFF8:     IRQ   vector
FFF6:     FIRQ  vector
FFF4:     SWI2  vector
FFF2:     SWI3  vector
FFF0:     6309 execption vector (Illegal instruction/division by 0)


-- 
Stephen
'I had to hit him -- he was starting to make sense.'


From mark at cloud9tech.com  Mon Feb  2 19:40:51 2009
From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:40:51 -0600
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>

Roger,

I tried to find a quick cost on this device. The US Distributor 
couldn't be resolved when I attempted.

What is the piece cost? ALWAYS leery of a web site that doesn't 
advertise their pricing......

Mark
Cloud-9



At 2/2/2009 03:20 PM, you wrote:
>Here's a company we need to keep an eye on.  The Western Design Center, Inc.
>If they can do for the 6809 what they did for the 6502, (creating a 
>100+mhz and 200+mhz version), what an amazing thing this would be.
>
>Here's their 6821 PIA replacement that can work with 14 mhz buses.
>http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c21s-chip.cfm
>
>Here's their 6551 ACIA replacement.  I have one that I'll be testing 
>in a socketed RS-232 Pak and the new bluetooth CoCoNet pak to see 
>what differences I can find.
>http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c51s-chip.cfm
>
>Here's the other chips they offer.....
>http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/chips.cfm
>--
>Roger Taylor
>
>http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1930 - Release Date: 
>2/2/2009 7:51 AM


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 19:46:26 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:46:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <a34fo4db2eplf1orehia8p85cd311napcj@4ax.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
	<a34fo4db2eplf1orehia8p85cd311napcj@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Stephen Castello wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:47:31 -0500 (EST), Steven Hirsch
> <snhirsch at gmail.com> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out:
>
>> I'm looking for a definitive answer on whether accesses between ff60-ff7e
>> are supposed to be decoded by the Multi-Pak and/or slot cartridges.
>>
>> All the docs seem to indicate that the SCS region is ff40-ff5f and the
>> control register for the MP is at ff7f.  So, who owns the in-between
>> addresses?
>>
>> I have a set of PAL equations for the older (large) MP that suggest it
>> listens to the entire ff40-ff7f range, but it would be good to get a
>> second opinion :-).
>>
>> From a 2001 email.  The list doesn't have everything that was made for
> the Coco.

> FF60 \                  FF60 X position of pen
> :     >   X-pad         FF61 Y position of pen
> FF63 /                  FF62 Z pos/pressure of pen
>                        FF63 ???
>
> FF68 \
>      >   RS-232 pak 6551
> FF6B /
>
> FF6C \
> :     >   Modem Pak 6551 ACIA
> FF6F /
>
> FF70 > alternate address of LR-Tech SASI controller
> FF74 > default address of LR-Tech SASI controller
>
> FF70 \
> :     > IDE controller alternate address
> FF78 /
>
> FF7D \
> :     >   Speech/Sound pak  FF7E speech chip register
> FF7E /
>
> FF7F  >   Multi-Pak interface slot control switch (0=0,17=1,34=2,51=3)
>
> FF74 \
> :     >   Disto SCII haltless controller additional addresses
> FF77 /
>
> FF7A \                          FF7A left channel d/a
> :     >   Orchestra 90-CC Pak   FF7B right channel d/a
> FF7B /


I guess that settles it.  There's a considerable quantity of erroneous 
information out there, as I read about four different resources that claim 
the SCS range is ff40-ff5f.

Thanks!

Steve


-- 


From sklammer at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 19:57:43 2009
From: sklammer at gmail.com (Shain Klammer)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:57:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>
Message-ID: <3925f0b0902021657we5f07f2s79567b4c3b73c44@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with you; however, the links Roger provided do list both the
W65C21S6TPG?14 and the W65C21S6PLG?14 at $7.50 - been around since '78 and
are in Arizona, USA - or did I miss something?

sk

2009/2/2 Mark Marlette <mark at cloud9tech.com>

> Roger,
>
> I tried to find a quick cost on this device. The US Distributor couldn't be
> resolved when I attempted.
>
> What is the piece cost? ALWAYS leery of a web site that doesn't advertise
> their pricing......
>
> Mark
> Cloud-9
>
>
>
>
> At 2/2/2009 03:20 PM, you wrote:
>
>>  Here's a company we need to keep an eye on.  The Western Design Center,
>> Inc.
>> If they can do for the 6809 what they did for the 6502, (creating a
>> 100+mhz and 200+mhz version), what an amazing thing this would be.
>>
>> Here's their 6821 PIA replacement that can work with 14 mhz buses.
>> http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c21s-chip.cfm
>>
>> Here's their 6551 ACIA replacement.  I have one that I'll be testing in a
>> socketed RS-232 Pak and the new bluetooth CoCoNet pak to see what
>> differences I can find.
>> http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c51s-chip.cfm
>>
>> Here's the other chips they offer.....
>> http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/chips.cfm
>> --
>> Roger Taylor
>>
>> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>>
>>
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From mechacoco at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 20:07:08 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:07:08 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
	<a34fo4db2eplf1orehia8p85cd311napcj@4ax.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902021707y76da49e0l78e0bf05477442a0@mail.gmail.com>

> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Stephen Castello wrote:
>
> I guess that settles it.  There's a considerable quantity of erroneous
> information out there, as I read about four different resources that claim
> the SCS range is ff40-ff5f.

---

Settles what?

The SCS range is FF40 - FF5F.

Darren


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Mon Feb  2 20:04:04 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:04:04 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <200902022004.04828.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 02 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>I'm looking for a definitive answer on whether accesses between ff60-ff7e
>are supposed to be decoded by the Multi-Pak and/or slot cartridges.
>
>All the docs seem to indicate that the SCS region is ff40-ff5f and the
>control register for the MP is at ff7f.  So, who owns the in-between
>addresses?
>
Whatever card wants to do the address decoding to put itself there.  I have 
moved several cards around here to prevent such conflicts.

>I have a set of PAL equations for the older (large) MP that suggest it
>listens to the entire ff40-ff7f range, but it would be good to get a
>second opinion :-).
>
>Steve



-- 
Cheers, Gene
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Life is a POPULARITY CONTEST!  I'm REFRESHINGLY CANDID!!


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 20:16:14 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:16:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0902021707y76da49e0l78e0bf05477442a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
	<a34fo4db2eplf1orehia8p85cd311napcj@4ax.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>
	<5d802cd0902021707y76da49e0l78e0bf05477442a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022011230.27957@duo>

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Darren A wrote:

>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Stephen Castello wrote:
>>
>> I guess that settles it.  There's a considerable quantity of erroneous
>> information out there, as I read about four different resources that claim
>> the SCS range is ff40-ff5f.
>
> ---
>
> Settles what?
>
> The SCS range is FF40 - FF5F.

I was confusing myself.  I understand now that the SCS range is FF40-FF5F, 
but all accesses between FF40-FF7F will enable the bus transceiver on the 
MPI and allow data flow back and forth. (As will assertion of CTS* and/or 
SLENB*).

Wrong terminology on my part.  The fact that other types of hardware sit 
above FF5F is orthogonal to the fact of where the SCS are lies.

I'm still learning the CC3.  If this were an Apple 2, I'd have this level 
of detail engraved on the inside of my eyelids :-).

Steve


-- 


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 20:21:38 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:21:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <3925f0b0902021657we5f07f2s79567b4c3b73c44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>
	<3925f0b0902021657we5f07f2s79567b4c3b73c44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022017080.27957@duo>

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Shain Klammer wrote:

> I agree with you; however, the links Roger provided do list both the
> W65C21S6TPG?14 and the W65C21S6PLG?14 at $7.50 - been around since '78 and
> are in Arizona, USA - or did I miss something?

>>
>>>  Here's a company we need to keep an eye on.  The Western Design Center,
>>> Inc.
>>> If they can do for the 6809 what they did for the 6502, (creating a
>>> 100+mhz and 200+mhz version), what an amazing thing this would be.

If there is such a thing as a 100 or 200Mhz. 6502, it's in the form of 
synthesizable IP for fabrication into an ASIC or somesuch.  There's never 
been standalone silicon anywhere near that speed rating.

A CoCo in an FPGA should be capable of 25-50Mhz. operation without too 
much trouble and you don't need to pay the license fees for it.



-- 

From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Feb  2 20:23:24 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:23:24 -0500
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4987563C.20759.378C08@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 2 Feb 2009 at 15:20, Roger Taylor wrote:

> Here's a company we need to keep an eye on.  The Western Design
> Center, Inc. If they can do for the 6809 what they did for the 6502,
> (creating a 100+mhz and 200+mhz version), what an amazing thing this
> would be.

Be aware of when looking at cores that are intended for FPGAs. WHile they 
may very well claim to have 100+ MHz clock speeds, that may not very will 
be the same as machine cycle time. For example most CPU cores I have 
seen for FPGA uses two to four clocks per machine cycle. So if the FPGA 
clock is at 100MHz the actual machine cycle time is only 25 MHz with four 
clocks per machine cycle. 

I also noted that they quoted doing ASIC with 0.8 micron CMOS process to 
get their 14 MHz processor. I would rather believe that getting much faster 
than that will be hard for that old CMOS technology.  That was state of the 
art back in the 80's. Today the technology is at 0.045 micron. About 20 
times smaller. 

There used to be three different commercial cores for the 6809 that was 
availble. Lat time I checked I can only find reference to one IP core left on 
the web. It claims 40 MHz speed but does not state whether that is in an 
ASIC or FPGA. Alas I have yet to see a 6309 core. 

james


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Mon Feb  2 20:27:25 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>	<a34fo4db2eplf1orehia8p85cd311napcj@4ax.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <49879D7D.2020208@worldnet.att.net>

Steven Hirsch wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Stephen Castello wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:47:31 -0500 (EST), Steven Hirsch
>> <snhirsch at gmail.com> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out:
>>
>>> I'm looking for a definitive answer on whether accesses between 
>>> ff60-ff7e
>>> are supposed to be decoded by the Multi-Pak and/or slot cartridges.
>>>
>>> All the docs seem to indicate that the SCS region is ff40-ff5f and the
>>> control register for the MP is at ff7f.  So, who owns the in-between
>>> addresses?
>>>
>>> I have a set of PAL equations for the older (large) MP that suggest it
>>> listens to the entire ff40-ff7f range, but it would be good to get a
>>> second opinion :-).
>>>
>>> From a 2001 email.  The list doesn't have everything that was made for
>> the Coco.
> 
>> FF60 \                  FF60 X position of pen
>> :     >   X-pad         FF61 Y position of pen
>> FF63 /                  FF62 Z pos/pressure of pen
>>                        FF63 ???
>>
>> FF68 \
>>      >   RS-232 pak 6551
>> FF6B /
>>
>> FF6C \
>> :     >   Modem Pak 6551 ACIA
>> FF6F /
>>
>> FF70 > alternate address of LR-Tech SASI controller
>> FF74 > default address of LR-Tech SASI controller
>>
>> FF70 \
>> :     > IDE controller alternate address
>> FF78 /
>>
>> FF7D \
>> :     >   Speech/Sound pak  FF7E speech chip register
>> FF7E /
>>
>> FF7F  >   Multi-Pak interface slot control switch (0=0,17=1,34=2,51=3)
>>
>> FF74 \
>> :     >   Disto SCII haltless controller additional addresses
>> FF77 /
>>
>> FF7A \                          FF7A left channel d/a
>> :     >   Orchestra 90-CC Pak   FF7B right channel d/a
>> FF7B /
> 
> 
> I guess that settles it.  There's a considerable quantity of erroneous 
> information out there, as I read about four different resources that 
> claim the SCS range is ff40-ff5f.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 

Steve H.,
Don't confuse the fact that many hardware devices use the region from 
$FF40-$FF7F with what SCS is supposed to do. If you credit the Tandy 
service manual for the Coco3 as being reasonably accurate, it says
"SCS* - This is a second chip select signal from IC9. (IC-9 is the 
74LS138.) It is active for both reads from and writes to addresses, 
$FF40 through $FF5F, regardless of map type."
Now since the Coco3 at $FF90 bit-2 controls the SCS (1=standard SCS), it 
makes one wonder what happens if that bit is turned off. I can't find 
any info on this in the service manual.

In any event, most of the devices mentioned in Stephen's message predate 
the Coco3. The SCS could not be turned off, made "non-standard".


From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Feb  2 20:40:11 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0902021707y76da49e0l78e0bf05477442a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>,
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>,
	<5d802cd0902021707y76da49e0l78e0bf05477442a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49875A2B.10734.46E858@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 2 Feb 2009 at 18:07, Darren A wrote:

> > On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Stephen Castello wrote:
> >
> > I guess that settles it.  There's a considerable quantity of
> > erroneous information out there, as I read about four different
> > resources that claim the SCS range is ff40-ff5f.
> 
> ---
> 
> Settles what?
> 
> The SCS range is FF40 - FF5F.
> 
> Darren
> 

The SCS is from $FF40 to $FF4F when the MC2 bit is "1".  When the MC2 
bit is "0" then the SCS is from $FF50 to $FF5F. 

The SCS line is only asserted for 16 bytes within the memory map. The 
MC2 bit selects which of two 16 byte ranges. This smacks of a potential of 
having two floopy controllers or a floopy and hard disk controller on one 
card. Access then can be done by just setting or clearing a bit in the INIT0 
register. of the GIME. Or even an internal and external floppy drive system. 

james
james



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 20:50:03 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:50:03 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <49875A2B.10734.46E858@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>
	<5d802cd0902021707y76da49e0l78e0bf05477442a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<49875A2B.10734.46E858@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902021750p1307cb6cxeaba7cd04ff0566@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/2/09, jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
>
> The SCS is from $FF40 to $FF4F when the MC2 bit is "1".  When the MC2
> bit is "0" then the SCS is from $FF50 to $FF5F.
>
> The SCS line is only asserted for 16 bytes within the memory map. The
> MC2 bit selects which of two 16 byte ranges. This smacks of a potential of
> having two floopy controllers or a floopy and hard disk controller on one
> card. Access then can be done by just setting or clearing a bit in the INIT0
> register. of the GIME. Or even an internal and external floppy drive system.
>

---


No.  The standard SCS is the 32-byte range of FF40 - FF5F.  The CoCo
3's non-standard SCS removes the bottom 16 bytes from that range,
restricting it to FF50 - FF5F.

Darren


From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Feb  2 20:50:15 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:50:15 -0500
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022017080.27957@duo>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>,
	<3925f0b0902021657we5f07f2s79567b4c3b73c44@mail.gmail.com>,
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022017080.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <49875C87.13008.501FE6@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 2 Feb 2009 at 20:21, Steven Hirsch wrote:

> A CoCo in an FPGA should be capable of 25-50Mhz. operation without too
> much trouble and you don't need to pay the license fees for it.

Today Xilinx announced their Virtex6/Spartan6 line of FPGA. All are based on 0.045micron 
technology. I just wonder how fast that can run the Coco3FPGA code? 

i can't wait to see what kind of starter kits will be available. I would not mind getting a 
Spartan6 LX9 or LX16 based board. 

james 


From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 21:20:25 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:20:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <402178.1205.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20090202232134.E3F5120A15@qs281.pair.com>
	<402178.1205.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090203022042.73EB420A15@qs281.pair.com>

At 05:55 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>Will the pack allow you to interact with both real coco disk drives 
>and disk images at the same time? I have literally hundreds of real 
>coco disks I would like to get made into disk images and archived on the PC end


Yes, if:
1) If you use any controller with a 28-pin EPROM socket, like the 
Disto SC or Mini Controller.
2) If your MPI can be set to the CoCoNet slot (to boot the ROM) and 
your floppy controller can still be accessed
   I have no idea if the controller hardware will function if the MPI 
is not set to it's slot.

CoCoNet can set each drive to Virtual or Physical, intermixed if you 
like.  You mount drive #'s or remote pathnames to the .dsk images.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 21:34:44 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:34:44 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <20090203022042.73EB420A15@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090202232134.E3F5120A15@qs281.pair.com>
	<402178.1205.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20090203022042.73EB420A15@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902021834x45b519c7o69a563883e56b1f7@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/2/09, Roger Taylor wrote:

>>Will the pack allow you to interact with both real coco disk drives
>>and disk images at the same time? I have literally hundreds of real
>>coco disks I would like to get made into disk images and archived on the PC
>> end
>
>
> Yes, if:
> 1) If you use any controller with a 28-pin EPROM socket, like the
> Disto SC or Mini Controller.
> 2) If your MPI can be set to the CoCoNet slot (to boot the ROM) and
> your floppy controller can still be accessed
>    I have no idea if the controller hardware will function if the MPI
> is not set to it's slot.


The following scenario should work:

1. A floppy controller is in slot 4.
2. The CoCoNet EPROM pak is in slot 3 (for example).
3. Start up the CoCo with the MPI switch set to 3 (CoCoNet).
4. Enter: POKE &HFF7F,&H23

This keeps the MPI looking at slot 3 for the ROM, but routes access to
the FDC through slot 4.

Darren


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 21:46:41 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021858590.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <159961.71557.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well how I do it now is tedious. I have a FD-502 5.25" and 3.5" drive on my coco. Right now I copy the 5.25" disk to a 3.5" disk using my coco and then put the 3.5" disk in my Windows System and make an image from that which is a time consuming process. I dont have a 5.25" drive on my PC and when I have tried in the past with a 1.2 MB drive it would not read the coco disks..



Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Derek wrote:

> Will the pack allow you to interact with both real coco disk drives and 
> disk images at the same time? I have literally hundreds of real coco 
> disks I would like to get made into disk images and archived on the PC 
> end

You shouldn't need a real CoCo drive for that.  I'm able to read CoCo 
diskettes on a track-by-track image basis from a Linux box.  Should be 
able to do that under Winders as well.

Writing to CoCo diskettes on a PC can be a bit difficult under some 
circumstances, but reading is (or should be) very straightforward.



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From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 21:53:14 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:53:14 -0600
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>
Message-ID: <20090203025328.2E23020A16@qs281.pair.com>

At 06:40 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>I tried to find a quick cost on this device. The US Distributor 
>couldn't be resolved when I attempted.
>
>What is the piece cost? ALWAYS leery of a web site that doesn't 
>advertise their pricing......
>
>Mark
>Cloud-9



I haven't seen a cost either.  Their site has what appears to be a 
Pricing and Packaging link, but it doesn't link anywhere.  Nice.
Btw, you can fill out a request for sample form and they leave you 
guessing whether you qualified or not, then one day ya might get a 
sample like I did which was 2 of the 6551 replacement chips.  I'll 
play around with one on a rainy day.  I still haven't read all the 
specs to see if they added any extra functions but I was under the 
impression that it's a "better" version of the 6551.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 21:56:19 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:56:19 -0600
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <3925f0b0902021657we5f07f2s79567b4c3b73c44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>
	<3925f0b0902021657we5f07f2s79567b4c3b73c44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090203025644.77CED20A14@qs281.pair.com>

At 06:57 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>I agree with you; however, the links Roger provided do list both the
>W65C21S6TPG?14 and the W65C21S6PLG?14 at $7.50 - been around since '78 and
>are in Arizona, USA - or did I miss something?

I think I saw the $7.50 somewhere as well but 
it's been a few weeks since I requested a free 
sample and I didn't revisit the site after being 
left in the dark whether I qualified or not.  The 
chips did come today, though.  So I went back to 
the site and looked around more and came across 
their enhanced 6502 and 6821 chips.



-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 21:58:47 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:58:47 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022011230.27957@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
	<a34fo4db2eplf1orehia8p85cd311napcj@4ax.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021944340.27957@duo>
	<5d802cd0902021707y76da49e0l78e0bf05477442a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022011230.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <20090203025859.53D9620A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 07:16 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Darren A wrote:
>
>>>On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Stephen Castello wrote:
>>>
>>>I guess that settles it.  There's a considerable quantity of erroneous
>>>information out there, as I read about four different resources that claim
>>>the SCS range is ff40-ff5f.
>>
>>---
>>
>>Settles what?
>>
>>The SCS range is FF40 - FF5F.
>
>I was confusing myself.  I understand now that the SCS range is 
>FF40-FF5F, but all accesses between FF40-FF7F will enable the bus 
>transceiver on the MPI and allow data flow back and forth. (As will 
>assertion of CTS* and/or SLENB*).
>
>Wrong terminology on my part.  The fact that other types of hardware 
>sit above FF5F is orthogonal to the fact of where the SCS are lies.
>
>I'm still learning the CC3.  If this were an Apple 2, I'd have this 
>level of detail engraved on the inside of my eyelids :-).
>
>Steve



Can't a pak also just decode directly from the address lines?  Aren't 
the SCS and CTS signals just shortcut decoders and also annoying in 
that they ghost the addresses?



-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 22:00:48 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:00:48 -0600
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022017080.27957@duo>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>
	<3925f0b0902021657we5f07f2s79567b4c3b73c44@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022017080.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <20090203030114.42E9720A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 07:21 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Shain Klammer wrote:
>
>>I agree with you; however, the links Roger provided do list both the
>>W65C21S6TPG?14 and the W65C21S6PLG?14 at $7.50 - been around since '78 and
>>are in Arizona, USA - or did I miss something?
>
>>>
>>>>  Here's a company we need to keep an eye on.  The Western Design Center,
>>>>Inc.
>>>>If they can do for the 6809 what they did for the 6502, (creating a
>>>>100+mhz and 200+mhz version), what an amazing thing this would be.
>
>If there is such a thing as a 100 or 200Mhz. 
>6502, it's in the form of synthesizable IP for 
>fabrication into an ASIC or somesuch.  There's 
>never been standalone silicon anywhere near that speed rating.

I read something about 14mhz bus support for 
several of their chips I mentioned.  It's right 
there on the site.  I don't know any more details that that, though.


>A CoCo in an FPGA should be capable of 25-50Mhz. 
>operation without too much trouble and you don't 
>need to pay the license fees for it.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 22:07:14 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:07:14 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0902021834x45b519c7o69a563883e56b1f7@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <20090202232134.E3F5120A15@qs281.pair.com>
	<402178.1205.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20090203022042.73EB420A15@qs281.pair.com>
	<5d802cd0902021834x45b519c7o69a563883e56b1f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090203030727.469A320A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 08:34 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>On 2/2/09, Roger Taylor wrote:
>
> >>Will the pack allow you to interact with both real coco disk drives
> >>and disk images at the same time? I have literally hundreds of real
> >>coco disks I would like to get made into disk images and archived on the PC
> >> end
> >
> >
> > Yes, if:
> > 1) If you use any controller with a 28-pin EPROM socket, like the
> > Disto SC or Mini Controller.
> > 2) If your MPI can be set to the CoCoNet slot (to boot the ROM) and
> > your floppy controller can still be accessed
> >    I have no idea if the controller hardware will function if the MPI
> > is not set to it's slot.
>
>
>The following scenario should work:
>
>1. A floppy controller is in slot 4.
>2. The CoCoNet EPROM pak is in slot 3 (for example).
>3. Start up the CoCo with the MPI switch set to 3 (CoCoNet).
>4. Enter: POKE &HFF7F,&H23
>
>This keeps the MPI looking at slot 3 for the ROM, but routes access to
>the FDC through slot 4.


Then I guess I need to enhance one of the BASIC commands to do a more 
formal selection of the floppy controller slot instead of requiring a 
POKE somebody would have to look up if they aren't aware of the 
bitcoding.  It's not rocket science but I'm into making things user-friendly.

I used to know all this MPI stuff but somewhere over the years we get 
foggy on stuff we don't mess with anymore.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Feb  2 22:08:34 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:08:34 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <20090203025859.53D9620A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>,
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022011230.27957@duo>,
	<20090203025859.53D9620A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <49876EE2.17862.4333AC@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 2 Feb 2009 at 20:58, Roger Taylor wrote:

> Can't a pak also just decode directly from the address lines?  Aren't
> the SCS and CTS signals just shortcut decoders and also annoying in
> that they ghost the addresses?

Yes

james


From ed.orbea at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 22:09:57 2009
From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:09:57 -0800
Subject: [Coco]  [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
References: B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby
Message-ID: <4987B585.30209@gmail.com>

Trying to access this from the RapidShare site gives the following error:

"This file is neither allocated to a Premium Account, or a Collector's 
Account, and can therefore only be downloaded 10 times.

This limit is reached.

To download this file, the uploader either needs to transfer this file 
into his/her Collector's Account, or upload the file again. The file can 
later be moved to a Collector's Account. The uploader just needs to 
click the delete link of the file to get further information."

Perhaps it can be uploaded to the Excalibur site.

Ed Orbea




From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  2 22:11:49 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:11:49 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <159961.71557.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021858590.27957@duo>
	<159961.71557.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090203031204.3BF1120A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 08:46 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>Well how I do it now is tedious. I have a FD-502 5.25" and 3.5" 
>drive on my coco. Right now I copy the 5.25" disk to a 3.5" disk 
>using my coco and then put the 3.5" disk in my Windows System and 
>make an image from that which is a time consuming process. I dont 
>have a 5.25" drive on my PC and when I have tried in the past with a 
>1.2 MB drive it would not read the coco disks..


CoCoNet can do this:
1) put a real disk in DRIVE 0
2) type DRIVE 1,"c:\somedisk.dsk"
3) BACKUP 0 to 1  or  BACKUP 1 to 0

Done

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From gmajor at videotron.ca  Mon Feb  2 21:45:53 2009
From: gmajor at videotron.ca (gmajor76)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:45:53 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm8b51+rkl7@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" <stinger30au at ...> 
wrote:
>
> this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory
> 
> i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been hunting
> to find a pdf version.
> 
> does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if so
> where i can get it from??
> 
> Thanks
>

You can download a copy from my web site at: 
http://goyim.dyndns.org:8080/coco/doc/books

Enjoy!

Guillaume





From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Feb  2 22:22:00 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:22:00 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0902021750p1307cb6cxeaba7cd04ff0566@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>,
	<49875A2B.10734.46E858@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<5d802cd0902021750p1307cb6cxeaba7cd04ff0566@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49877208.20527.4F808A@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 2 Feb 2009 at 18:50, Darren A wrote:

> No.  The standard SCS is the 32-byte range of FF40 - FF5F.  The CoCo
> 3's non-standard SCS removes the bottom 16 bytes from that range,
> restricting it to FF50 - FF5F.
> 
> Darren

Okay 

I went back and reread the 1986 Kevin darling text file and yes the SCS is from $FF40 to 
$FF5F when the MC2 bit is "1". When the MC2 bit is "0" then $FF40 to $FF4F is internal. 

Thus a "0" on MC2 restricts the SCS to $FF50 to $FF5F to the external cartridge. 

The MC2 bit controls what is outputed to the SBUS. With MC2 cleared the output from the 
SBus is "100" during addresses $FF40 to $FF4F and that asserts pin 4 of the LS138. When 
MC2 is set then the output of the SBUSS is "110" and pin 6 of the LS138 is asserted. 

james 


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Mon Feb  2 22:08:10 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:08:10 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question re: Cart slot decode
In-Reply-To: <20090203025859.53D9620A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902021842090.27957@duo>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902022011230.27957@duo>
	<20090203025859.53D9620A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <200902022208.10526.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 02 February 2009, Roger Taylor wrote:
>At 07:16 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>>On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Darren A wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Stephen Castello wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I guess that settles it.  There's a considerable quantity of erroneous
>>>>information out there, as I read about four different resources that
>>>> claim the SCS range is ff40-ff5f.
>>>
>>>---
>>>
>>>Settles what?
>>>
>>>The SCS range is FF40 - FF5F.
>>
>>I was confusing myself.  I understand now that the SCS range is
>>FF40-FF5F, but all accesses between FF40-FF7F will enable the bus
>>transceiver on the MPI and allow data flow back and forth. (As will
>>assertion of CTS* and/or SLENB*).
>>
>>Wrong terminology on my part.  The fact that other types of hardware
>>sit above FF5F is orthogonal to the fact of where the SCS are lies.
>>
>>I'm still learning the CC3.  If this were an Apple 2, I'd have this
>>level of detail engraved on the inside of my eyelids :-).
>>
>>Steve
>
>Can't a pak also just decode directly from the address lines?  Aren't
>the SCS and CTS signals just shortcut decoders and also annoying in
>that they ghost the addresses?

Yes it can Roger.  AFAIK, all packs out of the SCS range do a full decode 
internally.


-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
But Officer, I stopped for the last one, and it was green!


From davehazelton at comcast.net  Mon Feb  2 22:59:54 2009
From: davehazelton at comcast.net (David Hazelton)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:59:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet/serial pak survey
In-Reply-To: <C478CC14-4CCE-41E3-8BC1-9C08A7ABA057@pobox.com>
References: <20090201230631.6B7B520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<C478CC14-4CCE-41E3-8BC1-9C08A7ABA057@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4987C13A.3010909@comcast.net>

Allen~

not sure what VM on your mac you are using, but I was testing Sun's VM.  
Sun xVM VirtualBox on a PC and I could connect to a usb to serial 
cable.  by adding the appropriate serial port.  Since Bluetooth serial 
works essentially the same way.  if you VM doesn't work you might try  
Sun's.
 

Allen Huffman wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:
>> Which one of these would you likely pick for CoCoNet or general 
>> purpose RS-232 CoCo-to-PC communications?
>
>
> If we could get Mac support, I'd go for the wireless in a heartbeat, 
> else cable. (I'll have to check to see if wireless via virtual machine 
> works well -- not sure if Bluetooth goes through the VM.)
>
>         -- Allen
>
>
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From jet.pack at ymail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:48:55 2009
From: jet.pack at ymail.com (John Eric)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:48:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-Pak Question
References: <glvkrh+4ci0@eGroups.com> <4983854E.5040301@worldnet.att.net>
	<005901c98333$2a6b0fc0$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <178094.67258.qm@web111202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

which is why i made my mod switchable - Jeric




________________________________
From: Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:33:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-Pak Question

Robert Gault said:
> Upgrading the multi-pak for Coco3 use will in no way cause a problem with Coco1 or Coco2 use. These upgrades are completely safe regards backwards compatibility.

Actually, that is not quite true. Yes, the modicication will not adversly affect the coco 1 or 2, but there is at least one PAK which will not work with that mod in place. I refer to the original CocoMax joystick controller cartridge. It's address range is right in the address range that is excluded by the modification for the Multi-Pak.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault" <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-Pak Question


> seanrussoct08 wrote:
>> Hi all coco-ers!
>> 
>> I have a quick question.  I have a multi-pak 26-3124 that i bought off
>> of Ebay a few years ago and haven't used it much.  I had a friend several years ago tell me that he thought you could use
>> one of these multi-paks to access more than one device at a time, but
>> i didn't think you could.  Could someone settle this for me? and if
>> yes, how do you?
>> 
>> 2nd, if i buy the hardware from cloud9 to convert this to a coco3
>> capable multi-pak, will it never work on my coco2 again?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
> 
> Upgrading the multi-pak for Coco3 use will in no way cause a problem with Coco1 or Coco2 use. These upgrades are completely safe regards backwards compatibility.
> 
> My guess is that when you bought the unit you did not receive the user's manual. Because if you had read the manual, you would see that not only can you select the active slot by using the switch on the unit but also by POKEing a value to 65407 aka &HFF7F.
> The manual states to use the following values:
>  Selected slot      Value
>   1                $00
>   2                $11
>   3                $22
>   4                $33
> A more detailed explanation that supplied by the manual follows. The slots are actually numbered with base-0 notation; 0-3. The nominal value used is the slot value for both the msn and lsn nibbled of the byte, thus $00, $11, $22, $33.
> Actually there are two functions being controlled by the value. The msn selects ROM available to the Coco at $C000-$DFFF, while the lsn selects the I/O device responding to $FF40-$FF5F.
> It is not necessary to use the same value for both msn and lsn. So if you had a device (ex. RealTimeClock) in slot 1 and your disk controller in slot 4, you could POKE &HFF7F,&H30 and retain the Disk ROM in slot 4 while doing I/O through slot 1.
> This also means you could read a ROM in an auto-starting pak without starting the pak. Select the slot of the ROM pak using the msn while keeping the lsn at the default 3.
> 
> Doing the above is a bit more complex. You would want to use a short ml program and be sure to clear the CART interrupt before returning to Basic.
> 
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From mechacoco at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:50:11 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <20090203025328.2E23020A16@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090202183853.02ad8608@cloud9tech.com>
	<20090203025328.2E23020A16@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902022150n1c164759u7828e2cf65179488@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:

> Btw, you can fill out a request for sample form and they leave you guessing
> whether you qualified or not, then one day ya might get a sample like I did
> which was 2 of the 6551 replacement chips.  I'll play around with one on a
> rainy day.  I still haven't read all the specs to see if they added any
> extra functions but I was under the impression that it's a "better" version
> of the 6551.
>

At least their version doesn't stop transmitting in the middle of a byte
when CTS goes HI.  I always thought that was a stupid mistake in the
original design.

Darren


From jet.pack at ymail.com  Tue Feb  3 01:01:26 2009
From: jet.pack at ymail.com (John Eric)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:01:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-Pak Question
References: <glvkrh+4ci0@eGroups.com>
	<200901310015.18881.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <571985.72111.qm@web111203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

actually, i think the "ghosted" response existed only in the grey 26-3024. the slot select would be addressed at $FF7F and/or $FF9F (FF9F=bad for the CoCo 3). In the large white 26-3024, $FF7F was fully decoded, as it was also in the small white MPI 26-3124. The modded PAL chip for the large MPI's and the sattelite board for the 3124 made sure that the data bus buffer did not activate on addresses larger than $FF7F. Technically, I think it could be modded to extend the range to $FF8F, since, in the CoCo 3 these (FF80-FF8F) were reserved for future expansion, which never happened (the CoCo 3 was the end o' the line). I have made an eagle schematic and board layout for the satellite board which functions just like Tandy's sat board, except instead of cutting the trace from the custom chip to the 74ls245, you socket the 74ls245 and IC4 (74ls367). My board then plugs into these sockets and the '245 and '367 plug into my board. A jumper allows selection of
 CoCo 2 or CoCo 3 mode. I will post this on my webpage soon. -jeric




________________________________
From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:15:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Multi-Pak Question

On Friday 30 January 2009, seanrussoct08 wrote:
>Hi all coco-ers!
>
>I have a quick question.  I have a multi-pak 26-3124 that i bought off
>of Ebay a few years ago and haven't used it much.
>
>I had a friend several years ago tell me that he thought you could use
>one of these multi-paks to access more than one device at a time, but
>i didn't think you could.  Could someone settle this for me? and if
>yes, how do you?
>
>2nd, if i buy the hardware from cloud9 to convert this to a coco3
>capable multi-pak, will it never work on my coco2 again?
>
>Thanks,

Sure, no problem.  The fix, fixes an erronious ghosted response from the poor 
address decoding the original did, and which clashed with the gime chip 
register addresses.


-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Any program which runs right is obsolete.

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From twixt at cstone.net  Tue Feb  3 01:10:46 2009
From: twixt at cstone.net (David Bush)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:10:46 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive:
	Documentation
In-Reply-To: <C4BDD2D69A86465695AAEFEC8476B982@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <gm8n56+gbi0@eGroups.com>

Thanks very much! There are some choice Tom Mix games in there:

76 Sailorman, a sort of Popeye meets Lode Runner.

77 Buzzard Bait, like Joust, prepare for carpal tunnel syndrome as you
flap and flap.

79 The King, Donkey Kong

81 Draconian, like Kobo Deluxe (Linux game)

83 Brewmaster, cheesy but addictive, very relaxing- NOT

87 King Tut, I think this is also called Tut's Tomb, another sort of
Lode Runner.

90 Color Car Action, cheesy and slow paced, but addictive

93 Grabber, the only one here I haven't played, but the description
seems cool.

94 Fourcube, 3-D tictactoe on a 4x4x4 grid, like Qubic. I wrote this.
Fun once you figure out the GUI. Strength levels range from idiot to
almost perfect. "Faircube" option to reduce the advantage of the first
move.

99 Fangman, another cool cheesy game.

106 Katerpillar II, like the Caterpillar arcade game.

I'm sure there are other gems I passed over because I never played them.

But (sigh) I don't find the best Tom Mix software of all, EDT and MAS,
the best non-OS9 ML editor/assembler package ever written for the
CoCo. EDT had so many truly useful features, it left all the other
editors in the dust. For example, You could keep the line you edit in
the middle of the screen instead of at the bottom, to give your eyes
and your posture a break. Automatic local label generation so you
don't have to make up a label for a conditional branch. Etc. etc.



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 01:58:01 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:58:01 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive:
	Documentation
References: <gm8n56+gbi0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <C004A31F3C204CB5A7F3989996F332EA@NewBaby>

See http://www.nickm.launch.net.au/ProjectArchive/latham.html 

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Bush 

But (sigh) I don't find the best Tom Mix software of all, EDT and MAS,
the best non-OS9 ML editor/assembler package ever written for the
CoCo. EDT had so many truly useful features, it left all the other
editors in the dust. For example, You could keep the line you edit in
the middle of the screen instead of at the bottom, to give your eyes
and your posture a break. Automatic local label generation so you
don't have to make up a label for a conditional branch. Etc. etc.



From petrander at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 03:19:01 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:19:01 +0100
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Complete T&D Software Archive:
	Documentation
In-Reply-To: <498771DE.6050400@cgocable.ca>
References: <19557.70024.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A0C7978BF7474E5792BC86884BCD1B21@NewBaby>
	<dcc956220902012229x2e80796fo5aa5e8c99ba8d0f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f101c9850b$c83cebe0$0701a8c0@master>
	<dcc956220902020004w7572a1daw9a1c5010df99b0ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<C4BDD2D69A86465695AAEFEC8476B982@NewBaby>
	<498771DE.6050400@cgocable.ca>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902030019l170b0b29w70bfd08caa9b3373@mail.gmail.com>

Cher Pierre,

Je ne comprends pas. Je n'ai pas trouv? aucun fichier sous ce link qui tu as
?crit dans ton mail?

De quel pdf-fichier est-ce que tu parle? Est-ce que c'est T&D software?

Cordialement,
Fedor Steeman


2009/2/2 Pierre Fortin <fortinp at cgocable.ca>

> Sorry, i speak french and i use a translator.
>
>
> I created him(it) in the only one pdf whom I put you here:
>
> http://dl.free.fr/jJJX2JYyu
>
> Click to "T?l?charger ce fichier".
> *
>
> *
> Neil Morrison a ?crit :
> > Here is the documentation. If you spot any errors, let me know off list.
> >
> > http://rapidshare.com/files/193021047/T_And_D_Documentation.zip
> >
> > Size: 9606 KB
> >
> > Neil
> >
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Tue Feb  3 06:06:10 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:06:10 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] coco-link 1989 upload to ftp site
Message-ID: <gm98f2+oalf@eGroups.com>

i have finished uploading coco-link 1989 to the ftp site at excalibur1.net


i only have a slow upload speed of about 25k/sec so its going to take
a while to upload 1990 -> 1995

only 3 gigabytes more to upload


also thanks to the person who pointed me to the inside os9 level 2
book by Kevin darlin in pdf format. saves me cutting the spine off
mine and converting it



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 07:52:29 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 07:52:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <4987563C.20759.378C08@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<4987563C.20759.378C08@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902030742180.27957@duo>

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, jdaggett at gate.net wrote:

> I also noted that they quoted doing ASIC with 0.8 micron CMOS process to
> get their 14 MHz processor. I would rather believe that getting much faster
> than that will be hard for that old CMOS technology.  That was state of the
> art back in the 80's.

I'm amazed that they can find a fab anywhere in the world still producing 
0.8um chips.

> Today the technology is at 0.045 micron. About 20
> times smaller.

And that's for mass-market products.  32 and 22 nanometer processes are 
already under development for cutting edge applications.

> There used to be three different commercial cores for the 6809 that was
> availble. Lat time I checked I can only find reference to one IP core left on
> the web. It claims 40 MHz speed but does not state whether that is in an
> ASIC or FPGA. Alas I have yet to see a 6309 core.

Have you looked at System09 at opencores.org?  It claims to be a 6809 
system-on-a-chip.  The CPU is broken out in its own file and should be 
easy to reapply.

Steve


-- 


From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 11:51:34 2009
From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:51:34 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer]  Western Design Center Was: New 6821,
	6551 replacements
Message-ID: <gm9smm+bhst@eGroups.com>

(I'm replying to a thread on the mailing list)

Just an FYI, Western Design Center has a reputation of not responding
to emails.  If you want to order something it's best to pick up the
phone and call.

Also, WDC does not manufacture a 100+MHz 65816.  Any parts running at
that speed are custom ASICs using a licensed 65816 core.
WDC makes most of their money that way.

A 6809 with a larger memory buss like the 65816 sounds attractive but
I would not want to implement it in the same manner.



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Tue Feb  3 16:00:32 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:00:32 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] some help to scan books
Message-ID: <gmab9g+gl2h@eGroups.com>

this may interest a few of you and may give you the incentive to start
scanning some of your own collection of books / magazines for
preservation of the coco


i am running Linux Mint, based on Ubuntu
http://www.linuxmint.com/

it has a program that is easily installed calld

gscan2pdf

http://gscan2pdf.sourceforge.net/


this software was written for projects like this and its all open
source and all free

when you get the dvd with coco-link magazines on it  that was a
learning experience for me

i did 1989 first and the files were about 200 meg in size each.
thats cos i did them in grey scale.
silly me. 
gscan2pdf (i didnt know at the time as i admit i didnt read the
instructions, i just hooked in) will let me change scan options per page.
so i eventually figured out i could do the front and rear pages of the
book in colour like the original and then scan the rest as "lineart"

lineart simpley scans in pure black and white. and takes up bugger all
room to save

some settings i used that may interest you
when i scanned the colour pages i did them at 300 dpi
when i did the remaining in lineart i did them at 400 dpi
when i did this i got the file sizes frm 200 meg all the way down to
about 70 meg per book

if you want to scan the books non-destructively then you will need a
single sheet scanner and its going to take some time.
wen i did the coco-link mags they were about 50 pages long. it would
take about an hour per book.
it would be quikcer if you had a fast scanner though.
my current scanner is a canon lide20 usb snail pace scanner, but it
did the trick. very very slowly, but it worked.

the problem you will run in to with single sheet scanners is with
large magazines/books etc that wil not sit correctly on the glass

if you open up a large book and put both covers flat on the table
there is a huge bow in the middle from where the pages come up from
the spine.

that big bow in the middle when it gets scanned will create a black
area on the scans on the edge and it will look horrible.


theres a few ways around this.

fist is to get a scanner with an ADF - autmatic document feeder

this lets you put say 20 pages in and it feeds them thru automatically
just like a fax machine

for this to happenen you need to cut the spin off the book with a
guilotine first.

im happy to do this with my collection to save them for ever in pdf.
unfortuanelty theres many around who dont want to do this, but fail to
remember that paper wont last forever and they need to be pdf converted


there is however an alternative i have stumbled across in my travels
in the past few days

i have found a program for windows called snapster

http://www.snapter.atiz.com/


you can buy the s/w or get it for free if you send an email to 20
friends and they read the emails fron snapster


what this software does is pretty ingenious. you can take a photo of a
book open and it will  make a proper pdf from both pages

i tried this with a elcheapo samgsung 7 megapixel camera


it wasnt to bad, but i think the camera is what let it down. you need
good lighting and a great camera.

after i found this i went hunting to find ideas to build a proper
setup to scan books via camera and found this


http://www.instructables.com/id/Quickly-Scan-a-Textbook-With-a-Camera/


infact this setup also tells you to use the snapster software!


so there is an alternative if you willing to play round a bit

hope this gives you all some encouragement to scan away



From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Tue Feb  3 16:36:22 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:36:22 +1100
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902030742180.27957@duo>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>	<4987563C.20759.378C08@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902030742180.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <4988B8D6.3030909@iinet.net.au>

Steven Hirsch wrote:

> Have you looked at System09 at opencores.org?  It claims to be a 6809 
> system-on-a-chip.  The CPU is broken out in its own file and should be 
> easy to reapply.

That's the core Gary is using in his FPGA Coco 3 implementation.

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Tue Feb  3 16:52:40 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:52:40 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] coco-link 1990 and 1991 uploaded
Message-ID: <gmaeb8+a6ls@eGroups.com>

they are uploaded to the ftp site at excalibur1.net



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Tue Feb  3 21:28:03 2009
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 02:28:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <602999858.1990211233714483609.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I dunno where he wants it sent, but I can use a copy and my return address should be in the headers.

-- 
Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd at comcast.net

<home.comcast.net/~wdg3rd>
(page has stale links and resume is not up to date as I'm employed at a dead end job with a health plan and if I quit for a short-lived high-pay consulting gig, La Esposa will make me homeless before the first check arrives)

----- "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 9:42:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
>
> I have a pdf version if you can tell me where you want it sent.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Fedor Steeman <petrander at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I will take a look in my collection of copies for ya'...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Fedor
> >
> > 2009/2/2 stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>
> >
> >> this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory
> >>
> >> i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been
> hunting
> >> to find a pdf version.
> >>
> >> does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if
> so
> >> where i can get it from??
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>


From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb  3 22:00:53 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:00:53 -0600
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <4988B8D6.3030909@iinet.net.au>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<4987563C.20759.378C08@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902030742180.27957@duo>
	<4988B8D6.3030909@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <20090204030116.99A8920A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 03:36 PM 2/3/2009, you wrote:
>Steven Hirsch wrote:
>
>>Have you looked at System09 at opencores.org?  It claims to be a 
>>6809 system-on-a-chip.  The CPU is broken out in its own file and 
>>should be easy to reapply.
>
>That's the core Gary is using in his FPGA Coco 3 implementation.


Mark,

That's an excellent cartridge board on your site.  Maybe you can 
unload some of the final runs and people would have the choice to 
write out the CoCoNet ROM to one of the 8K or 16K banks.  That would 
add the bitbanger version of CoCoNet (57600 bps, 115200 bps) to your 
pak.  If you want to put a Buy Now button on CoCo3.com later just let 
me know, but get ready for hits.



-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Wed Feb  4 00:03:18 2009
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 05:03:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] some help to scan books
In-Reply-To: <1165931775.2033301233723187161.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1826409600.2034381233723798863.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

A slow scanner (or even a fast scanner, but maybe you're scanning slides at the highest resolution and color range available, such as when I was archiving my collection of slides of Morris Scott Dollens' artwork) leaves you time to read email or a dead-tree book while you wait for the "done" window to pop up.  (Or surf the web for porn, hell, I'm just a kid barely into my second half century).  I gotta add that art to my web page (though not in full multi-megabyte resolution per slide, Comcast would soil themselves), Morris was one of the best artists of alien landscapes and skyscapes ever, and a good friend who never owned a computer.  Not this weekend, that's the New York Comic-Con (I'll be helping a friend sell stuff so I don't have to pay to get in to have a couple of books signed [the books are also on-line at www.bigheadpress.com, but it's more comfortable during a power failure if a tree died]).  Weekend after.  My page has been too long between updates anyway, too many dead links, like that blog I almost started.  (Gotta put in pictures of my Color Computers, and my other stuff from Tandy and/or built on Motorola CPUs).  And of course some of the political stuff needs updating.  Political stuff always needs updating.  Even though a change of regime between the left and right halves of the Boot-on-Your-Neck Party isn't a major reason.

Oh, crap.  Kids, don't drink and post.  Especially if you've had over a third of a century to build tolerance to ethanol and so not notice when you're descending into utter reason^w^w absolute nonsense.
-- 
Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd at comcast.net

----- "stinger30au" <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> From: "stinger30au" <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 4:00:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] some help to scan books
>
> this may interest a few of you and may give you the incentive to
> start
> scanning some of your own collection of books / magazines for
> preservation of the coco
> 
> 
> i am running Linux Mint, based on Ubuntu
> http://www.linuxmint.com/
> 
> it has a program that is easily installed calld
> 
> gscan2pdf
> 
> http://gscan2pdf.sourceforge.net/
> 
> 
> this software was written for projects like this and its all open
> source and all free
> 
> when you get the dvd with coco-link magazines on it  that was a
> learning experience for me
> 
> i did 1989 first and the files were about 200 meg in size each.
> thats cos i did them in grey scale.
> silly me. 
> gscan2pdf (i didnt know at the time as i admit i didnt read the
> instructions, i just hooked in) will let me change scan options per
> page.
> so i eventually figured out i could do the front and rear pages of
> the
> book in colour like the original and then scan the rest as "lineart"
> 
> lineart simpley scans in pure black and white. and takes up bugger
> all
> room to save
> 
> some settings i used that may interest you
> when i scanned the colour pages i did them at 300 dpi
> when i did the remaining in lineart i did them at 400 dpi
> when i did this i got the file sizes frm 200 meg all the way down to
> about 70 meg per book
> 
> if you want to scan the books non-destructively then you will need a
> single sheet scanner and its going to take some time.
> wen i did the coco-link mags they were about 50 pages long. it would
> take about an hour per book.
> it would be quikcer if you had a fast scanner though.
> my current scanner is a canon lide20 usb snail pace scanner, but it
> did the trick. very very slowly, but it worked.
> 
> the problem you will run in to with single sheet scanners is with
> large magazines/books etc that wil not sit correctly on the glass
> 
> if you open up a large book and put both covers flat on the table
> there is a huge bow in the middle from where the pages come up from
> the spine.
> 
> that big bow in the middle when it gets scanned will create a black
> area on the scans on the edge and it will look horrible.
> 
> 
> theres a few ways around this.
> 
> fist is to get a scanner with an ADF - autmatic document feeder
> 
> this lets you put say 20 pages in and it feeds them thru
> automatically
> just like a fax machine
> 
> for this to happenen you need to cut the spin off the book with a
> guilotine first.
> 
> im happy to do this with my collection to save them for ever in pdf.
> unfortuanelty theres many around who dont want to do this, but fail
> to
> remember that paper wont last forever and they need to be pdf
> converted
> 
> 
> there is however an alternative i have stumbled across in my travels
> in the past few days
> 
> i have found a program for windows called snapster
> 
> http://www.snapter.atiz.com/
> 
> 
> you can buy the s/w or get it for free if you send an email to 20
> friends and they read the emails fron snapster
> 
> 
> what this software does is pretty ingenious. you can take a photo of
> a
> book open and it will  make a proper pdf from both pages
> 
> i tried this with a elcheapo samgsung 7 megapixel camera
> 
> 
> it wasnt to bad, but i think the camera is what let it down. you need
> good lighting and a great camera.
> 
> after i found this i went hunting to find ideas to build a proper
> setup to scan books via camera and found this
> 
> 
> http://www.instructables.com/id/Quickly-Scan-a-Textbook-With-a-Camera/
> 
> 
> infact this setup also tells you to use the snapster software!
> 
> 
> so there is an alternative if you willing to play round a bit
> 
> hope this gives you all some encouragement to scan away


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 01:25:51 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:25:51 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] T & D Software
References: <gmaeb8+a6ls@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <FB2FB38739D741038780851FECBBA31C@NewBaby>

Another T & D collection was their clip art. Here is the complete 
collection, including a viewer editor for it.

http://rapidshare.com/files/192378022/Clip_Art.zip

Size:11459 KB

Neil



From mdelyea at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 03:31:06 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <602999858.1990211233714483609.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>
	<602999858.1990211233714483609.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80902040031v1aa763c6nf67888eee9913bc3@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to send it but its 20mb and was rejected by your server.

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:28 PM,  <wdg3rd at comcast.net> wrote:
> I dunno where he wants it sent, but I can use a copy and my return address should be in the headers.
>
> --
> Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd at comcast.net
>
> <home.comcast.net/~wdg3rd>
> (page has stale links and resume is not up to date as I'm employed at a dead end job with a health plan and if I quit for a short-lived high-pay consulting gig, La Esposa will make me homeless before the first check arrives)
>
> ----- "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 9:42:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
>>
>> I have a pdf version if you can tell me where you want it sent.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Fedor Steeman <petrander at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I will take a look in my collection of copies for ya'...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Fedor
>> >
>> > 2009/2/2 stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>
>> >
>> >> this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory
>> >>
>> >> i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been
>> hunting
>> >> to find a pdf version.
>> >>
>> >> does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if
>> so
>> >> where i can get it from??
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Wed Feb  4 04:41:37 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:41:37 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] coco-link 1992 and 1993 uploaded
Message-ID: <gmbnsh+ji9g@eGroups.com>

they are uploaded to the ftp site at excalibur1.net



From diegoba at adinet.com.uy  Wed Feb  4 08:25:16 2009
From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (Diego Barizo)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:25:16 -0200
Subject: [Coco] OT: OS-9 contribution to 80's music
Message-ID: <4989973C.4020501@adinet.com.uy>

Who would have known?
Without the 6809 and OS-9 L.II the music scene of the 80's would have 
been very different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_CMI
According to the list, bands from A-ha to ZZ Top used it.

Diego



From boisy at tee-boy.com  Wed Feb  4 09:02:32 2009
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:02:32 -0600
Subject: [Coco] OT: OS-9 contribution to 80's music
In-Reply-To: <4989973C.4020501@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4989973C.4020501@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <61A72A03-A6AA-4AA6-9D9D-B31F74D73A06@tee-boy.com>

That is some very cool trivia, Diego.  Back when I was at Microware in  
the 90's, I can remember someone mentioning OS-9 having been used in a  
synthesizer; now I know which one!

On Feb 4, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Diego Barizo wrote:

> Who would have known?
> Without the 6809 and OS-9 L.II the music scene of the 80's would  
> have been very different.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_CMI
> According to the list, bands from A-ha to ZZ Top used it.
>
> Diego
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
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From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 09:51:14 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 06:51:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] T & D Software
In-Reply-To: <FB2FB38739D741038780851FECBBA31C@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <104116.8615.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Neil!



Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote: Another T & D collection was their clip art. Here is the complete 
collection, including a viewer editor for it.

http://rapidshare.com/files/192378022/Clip_Art.zip

Size:11459 KB

Neil


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From jdaggett at gate.net  Tue Feb  3 13:36:35 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:36:35 -0500
Subject: [Coco] New 6821, 6551 replacements
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902030742180.27957@duo>
References: <20090202212105.3FC5020A13@qs281.pair.com>,
	<4987563C.20759.378C08@jdaggett.gate.net>,
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902030742180.27957@duo>
Message-ID: <49884863.21371.52C38@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 3 Feb 2009 at 7:52, Steven Hirsch wrote:

 
> Have you looked at System09 at opencores.org?  It claims to be a 6809
> system-on-a-chip.  The CPU is broken out in its own file and should be
> easy to reapply.
> 
> Steve

Yes I have a copy of the core. It can easily be cut out and used stand alone 
or in any other SoC. One thing I started also and need to find time to finish 
is a 6309 core. I have pieces coded but not enough to really say it is near 
completion. 

james


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 10:02:45 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:02:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] coco-link 1992 and 1993 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <gmbnsh+ji9g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <938258.19650.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am keeping my eye out for them to show up. Thank you for all your work on scanning stuff and sharing it



stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au> wrote: they are uploaded to the ftp site at excalibur1.net


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From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 10:12:45 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:12:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow Scanns Master List
Message-ID: <416281.31908.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here is a list of the Rainbows I have scanned so far. This will help narrow down what is needed to still be scanned for the community to have a complete set of the Magazines and other Rainbow Books (Rainbow on Disk and Tape are next after the magazine archive is complete). Please contact me off list if you have any missing issues scanned so we can arrange to get them added to the archive. Thanks to everyone who has spent so much time and effort getting these archived.


1981: Jul
 1982: Jan, Feb
 1983: Jun,Jul,Dec 
 1984: Jan,Feb,Mar,Jun,Aug,Sep
 1985: Feb, Apr,Aug, Nov, Dec
 1986: Complete
 1987: Complete
 1988: Complete
 1989: Jan,Feb,Mar,Apr, Jun,Jul,Aug, Sept
 1990: Jan,Feb,Mar,May,Jun,Jul,Aug
 1992: Feb
 1993: May
 Other: Rainbow Book of Adventures, Complete Rainbow Guide to OS-9

       


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 10:13:31 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:13:31 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow Master List
Message-ID: <gmcbar+q3s4@eGroups.com>

Here is a list of the Rainbows I have scanned so far. This will help
narrow down what is needed to still be scanned for the community to
have a complete set of the Magazines and other Rainbow Books (Rainbow
on Disk and Tape are next after the magazine archive is complete).
Please contact me off list if you have any missing issues scanned so
we can arrange to get them added to the archive. Thanks to everyone
who has spent so much time and effort getting these archived.


1981: Jul
1982: Jan, Feb
1983: Jun,Jul,Dec
1984: Jan,Feb,Mar,Jun,Aug,Sep
1985: Feb, Apr,Aug, Nov, Dec
1986: Complete
1987: Complete
1988: Complete
1989: Jan,Feb,Mar,Apr, Jun,Jul,Aug, Sept
1990: Jan,Feb,Mar,May,Jun,Jul,Aug
1992: Feb
1993: May
Other: Rainbow Book of Adventures, Complete Rainbow Guide to OS-9



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 10:23:20 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:23:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow Master List
In-Reply-To: <gmcbar+q3s4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <500722.28521.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have to make clear I did not do the scanning on these. A few other folks who asked to remain un-named did so they need to get credit for the hard work. All I have done is organize, upload and announce them to the community.

Derek <dml_68 at yahoo.com> wrote: Here is a list of the Rainbows I have scanned so far. This will help
narrow down what is needed to still be scanned for the community to
have a complete set of the Magazines and other Rainbow Books (Rainbow
on Disk and Tape are next after the magazine archive is complete).
Please contact me off list if you have any missing issues scanned so
we can arrange to get them added to the archive. Thanks to everyone
who has spent so much time and effort getting these archived.


1981: Jul
1982: Jan, Feb
1983: Jun,Jul,Dec
1984: Jan,Feb,Mar,Jun,Aug,Sep
1985: Feb, Apr,Aug, Nov, Dec
1986: Complete
1987: Complete
1988: Complete
1989: Jan,Feb,Mar,Apr, Jun,Jul,Aug, Sept
1990: Jan,Feb,Mar,May,Jun,Jul,Aug
1992: Feb
1993: May
Other: Rainbow Book of Adventures, Complete Rainbow Guide to OS-9


------------------------------------

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From flexser at fiu.edu  Wed Feb  4 11:36:55 2009
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Art Flexser)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:36:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] OT: OS-9 contribution to 80's music
In-Reply-To: <61A72A03-A6AA-4AA6-9D9D-B31F74D73A06@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0902041136040.8344-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

I had an Ensoniq SQ-1 synthesizer that had a 6809 in it.  Don't think it used
OS-9, though.

Art

On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Boisy Pitre wrote:

> That is some very cool trivia, Diego.  Back when I was at Microware in  
> the 90's, I can remember someone mentioning OS-9 having been used in a  
> synthesizer; now I know which one!
> 
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Diego Barizo wrote:
> 
> > Who would have known?
> > Without the 6809 and OS-9 L.II the music scene of the 80's would  
> > have been very different.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_CMI
> > According to the list, bands from A-ha to ZZ Top used it.
> >
> > Diego
> >
> >
> > --
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> 
> Regards,
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 15:03:15 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:03:15 -0600
Subject: [Coco] OT: OS-9 contribution to 80's music
References: <4989973C.4020501@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <002201c98703$9e0fb150$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diego Barizo"

> Who would have known?
> Without the 6809 and OS-9 L.II the music scene of the 80's would have been 
> very different.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_CMI
> According to the list, bands from A-ha to ZZ Top used it.
>
> Diego

 Wow!

 I did a little Goggleing on this subject and found a lot of interesting 
tidbits of trivia and news.

 In '06, a charity sale on eBay had a Fairlight CMI keyboard signed by 44 
legendary artists and offered it up for a mere $100,000.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2006/12/05/fairlight-signed-by-44-pop-stars-on-ebay/
On this page, there are links to other interesting nostalgia on the 
Fairlight CMI.

  The history is interesting, starting with a dual 6800 processor system, 
then upgrading to 6809 and adding in the 68xxx chips.
  It seems these were some pretty smart dudes.
  I never even heard of this until now and it seems these Fairlight systems 
were INSTRUMENTAL in the music industry in the 80s.
  This also was part of the "New Age" music development.

 Who'd a thunk the Motorola chip would have been so impressive on the music 
industry.

George 



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Wed Feb  4 15:37:10 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:37:10 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] coco-link 1993, 1994, 1995 uploaded
Message-ID: <gmcu9m+6p5a@eGroups.com>

well thats the last of it 

they are uploaded to the ftp site at excalibur1.net

just over 3 gigabytes of data

we are missing parts of 1989 and i have none of 1987 and im not sure
if it started in 1986, if so, im missing them as well

(coco)



From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  4 15:37:44 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:37:44 -0600
Subject: [Coco] New GLENSIDE WEB PAGE URL
Message-ID: <4989FC98.30002@sbcglobal.net>

I have been asked to post this to the list. I do not have the last name 
but Steve is Hosting and did the work.
Glenside URL is GlensideCCC.com

See you at the Fest
Brian

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From Torsten at Dittel.info  Wed Feb  4 17:03:31 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:03:31 +0100
Subject: [Coco] OT: OS-9 contribution to 80's music
In-Reply-To: <4989973C.4020501@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4989973C.4020501@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <gmd3bf$okh$1@ger.gmane.org>

I remember there were a lot of synthesizers in the 80s which had at 
least one 6809 used for the internal MIDI controller/sequencer section.

However, I loved the Fairlight CMI III most, because it was a "common 
grave" for up to 18(!)6809s, 16 for the voices, one for the sequencer 
and one for display control.



From mdelyea at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 17:16:28 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:16:28 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80902040031v1aa763c6nf67888eee9913bc3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>
	<602999858.1990211233714483609.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<1b52e6c80902040031v1aa763c6nf67888eee9913bc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80902041416v6115c3fl73ecda6cac9263ce@mail.gmail.com>

To those of you still looking for Inside OS-9 Level II by Kevin
Darling, click the following link (I whipped up a quick web page)

http://www3.sympatico.ca/michaeldelyea/index.html

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:31 AM, mike delyea <mdelyea at gmail.com> wrote:
> I tried to send it but its 20mb and was rejected by your server.
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:28 PM,  <wdg3rd at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I dunno where he wants it sent, but I can use a copy and my return address should be in the headers.
>>
>> --
>> Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd at comcast.net
>>
>> <home.comcast.net/~wdg3rd>
>> (page has stale links and resume is not up to date as I'm employed at a dead end job with a health plan and if I quit for a short-lived high-pay consulting gig, La Esposa will make me homeless before the first check arrives)
>>
>> ----- "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>
>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 9:42:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
>>>
>>> I have a pdf version if you can tell me where you want it sent.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Fedor Steeman <petrander at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I will take a look in my collection of copies for ya'...
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Fedor
>>> >
>>> > 2009/2/2 stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>
>>> >
>>> >> this book was released i believe by Frank Hogg laboratory
>>> >>
>>> >> i happen to own a copy of this in mint condition and have been
>>> hunting
>>> >> to find a pdf version.
>>> >>
>>> >> does anyone know if has been converted to pdf format at all and if
>>> so
>>> >> where i can get it from??
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>
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>>
>


From johnguin at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 23:55:37 2009
From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:55:37 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Happy Holidays all! (Coco Holiday Demo Disks enclosed)
In-Reply-To: <77650.7770.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <77650.7770.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY138-DS27B78734F5992C3405E4BD9C00@phx.gbl>

Hello all,

I finally got a chance to download the demo disk below.

A few thoughts:

1.  I had forgotten how cool 8 bit graphics were!
2.  This is well done.  And knowing a little about color palettes and such
just made appreciate some of the tricks taken to get it to work.
3.  I wish there was sound...


But at the very end, the demo said the the Coco3 was available starting at
$100.  For 1986, this seems far too cheap for a coco 3.  Does anyone have
the Christmas catalog from then to see what the price was?  I could imagine
either the demo disk is wrong or that was a reference to a Coco 2 price.
Any ideas?

Thanks all,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Derek
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:09 AM
To: CoCo List
Subject: [Coco] Happy Holidays all! (Coco Holiday Demo Disks enclosed)

Here is a small collection of coco Holiday Graphic Demos, Christmas Card
disk images.

Happy Holidays to all !

http://rapidshare.com/files/167977978/coco_holidays_demos.zip



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From alsplace at pobox.com  Thu Feb  5 00:04:25 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:04:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Happy Holidays all! (Coco Holiday Demo Disks enclosed)
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-DS27B78734F5992C3405E4BD9C00@phx.gbl>
References: <77650.7770.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY138-DS27B78734F5992C3405E4BD9C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9517F60B-97DA-4F06-BFE9-FB7B5E21CFA1@pobox.com>

On Feb 4, 2009, at 10:55 PM, John wrote:
> But at the very end, the demo said the the Coco3 was available  
> starting at
> $100.

The demo could be customized -- I forget how, but holding down a key  
or something let you enter the price for it to display.

The CoCo 3 started at $299.95 (or .99) if I recall.

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From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Thu Feb  5 16:51:41 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:51:41 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] program manuals and rainbow on disc pdfs
	uploaded
Message-ID: <gmfn1d+qa3q@eGroups.com>

well its taken a few days, but finally my pc has finished uploading
5.5 gigabytes of pdf files to the ftp site at excalibur1.net

theres all sorts of manuals for games, tools, utilitys etc

plus  every rainbow on disc information card i have. a number of years
are complete

these cards came with the rainbow on disc and told you what programs
were on each. some were in colour and others in b&w and al scanned in
accordingly



From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 22:01:14 2009
From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:01:14 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
Message-ID: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>

Apparently, someone has figured out how to reverse case yellowing.
The original thread was from an Amiga forum but this is where I saw it.

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=138244&st=0

Read carefully as damage might result if you aren't careful.



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 22:24:56 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:24:56 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
References: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <D62A73A124D7419782D3436EF3783784@NewBaby>

See http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=37808

And

http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?t=11877

for much more.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: James Diffendaffer 

Apparently, someone has figured out how to reverse case yellowing.
The original thread was from an Amiga forum but this is where I saw it.

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=138244&st=0

Read carefully as damage might result if you aren't careful.



From operator at coco3.com  Thu Feb  5 22:53:23 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:53:23 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>
References: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20090206041636.81D2120A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 09:01 PM 2/5/2009, you wrote:
>Apparently, someone has figured out how to reverse case yellowing.
>The original thread was from an Amiga forum but this is where I saw it.
>
>http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=138244&st=0
>
>Read carefully as damage might result if you aren't careful.


No more damage than the lungs of the guy who smoked over the computer 
for years.  :)


-- 
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http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Thu Feb  5 23:31:36 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:31:36 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <D62A73A124D7419782D3436EF3783784@NewBaby>
References: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>
	<D62A73A124D7419782D3436EF3783784@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <20090206043206.0725620A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 09:24 PM 2/5/2009, you wrote:
>See http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=37808
>
>And
>
>http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?t=11877
>
>for much more.
>
>Neil



But then you know, nothing says Memories like a severely yellowed 16K 
CoCo 2.    :)



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From badfrog at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 01:25:40 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 00:25:40 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <20090206041636.81D2120A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>
	<20090206041636.81D2120A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0902052225n25f52db7xc8970a05b595196c@mail.gmail.com>

As a heavy smoker, and one that has been at several companies, I've
realized that the yellowing on old plastics is definitely due to UV
exposure, and not how much nicotine they were exposed to.

My stuff at home never yellowed, my computer rooms never had the
blinds open.  I hate sunlight in them!

I'm only 34, so I haven't been at a workplace that allowed smoking.
My current workplace has lots of windows, and lots of old equipment.
The beige monitors more than 10 years old are yellow as hell - they're
not in service, but in the spare parts room, but you can definitely
see the yellow.
The copy machine is even yellowed, except the sectons where the lid
closed shut.  It's ancient.

So, I'm pretty sure the 80's and early 90's plastics yellow are due to
how much sunlight they got.  Sometime in the 90's,  someone figured
out a new formula, because there is a lot of equipment that has
managed to stay the same color.





On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:
> At 09:01 PM 2/5/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> Apparently, someone has figured out how to reverse case yellowing.
>> The original thread was from an Amiga forum but this is where I saw it.
>>
>> http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=138244&st=0
>>
>> Read carefully as damage might result if you aren't careful.
>
>
> No more damage than the lungs of the guy who smoked over the computer for
> years.  :)
>
>
> --
> Roger Taylor
>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
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From snhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 07:08:03 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:08:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>
References: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902060702230.27957@duo>

On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, James Diffendaffer wrote:

> Apparently, someone has figured out how to reverse case yellowing.
> The original thread was from an Amiga forum but this is where I saw it.

There's something else to consider.  My experience with vintage musical 
equipment has shown that cleanup attempts, even successful ones, can 
destroy the collector's value of a classic or antique item.

In the 70s I acquired a 1953 Fender Telecaster guitar.  The previous owner 
had worn all the finish off the neck and several portions of the body. 
Being young and foolish, I had a local shop strip, bleach and refinish the 
instrument.  It did look good, but lost the cache' in the process.  When I 
sold it in 1990 it brought $1800.  The broker told me that if I'd left it 
alone, dirty or not, the going price would have been in the low five 
figures.  An expensive lesson!

This may be of less consequence for those who never plan to sell their 
collection, but something to keep in the back of your head.

Steve


-- 


From jdaggett at gate.net  Fri Feb  6 10:02:02 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:02:02 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0902052225n25f52db7xc8970a05b595196c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gmg95q+lijn@eGroups.com>,
	<20090206041636.81D2120A13@qs281.pair.com>,
	<9efa17da0902052225n25f52db7xc8970a05b595196c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498C0A9A.6696.30CF8B@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 6 Feb 2009 at 0:25, Sean wrote:

> So, I'm pretty sure the 80's and early 90's plastics yellow are due to
> how much sunlight they got.  Sometime in the 90's,  someone figured
> out a new formula, because there is a lot of equipment that has
> managed to stay the same color.

There are two basic types of plastics, thermoplastics and thermoset. 
Thermoset plastics are became less desirable as the Green Movement 
gained momentum. The major hinderence to thermoset plastics is the lack 
of reuse and recycling. Thermosplastics can be melted and reused more 
easily. 

All plastics breakdown under UV light. They need stabilizers to keep 
them from doing so. Nylon is propbaly the worst in UV exposure. Also all 
plastics outgas or leach chemicals into the atmosphere. That outgassing 
can react with other chemicals in the atmosphere and in the pigments that 
are used to color the plastics to discolor the surface. 

With the increase usage, and the demand for, of recyclable of plastics 
some types have fallen off in usage while others have gained in usage. 
Polycarbonates, Polyethalines are now very common in modern uses. 

james


From keeper63 at cox.net  Fri Feb  6 10:15:41 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:15:41 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1233932412.15043.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.19.1233932412.15043.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <498C541D.5000006@cox.net>

Message: 7
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:08:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902060702230.27957 at duo>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, James Diffendaffer wrote:

 > > Apparently, someone has figured out how to reverse case yellowing.
 > > The original thread was from an Amiga forum but this is where I saw it.

There's something else to consider.  My experience with vintage musical
equipment has shown that cleanup attempts, even successful ones, can
destroy the collector's value of a classic or antique item.

In the 70s I acquired a 1953 Fender Telecaster guitar.  The previous owner
had worn all the finish off the neck and several portions of the body.
Being young and foolish, I had a local shop strip, bleach and refinish the
instrument.  It did look good, but lost the cache' in the process.  When I
sold it in 1990 it brought $1800.  The broker told me that if I'd left it
alone, dirty or not, the going price would have been in the low five
figures.  An expensive lesson!

This may be of less consequence for those who never plan to sell their
collection, but something to keep in the back of your head.

Steve

---

Hmm - makes me wonder if/how/what I should do when I get around to 
cleaning up and restoring my Altair (it can't be turned on in the 
condition it is in, that's for certain - has what seems to be like 1/2" 
of dust and dirt in it). I already know I need to purchase a variac to 
bring the caps up to snuff again so they don't explode...

To get this back on topic, though - my old CGP-220 is badly yellowed, so 
I might look into this process...thanks for the post!

-- Andrew


From operator at coco3.com  Fri Feb  6 11:07:32 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:07:32 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <498C541D.5000006@cox.net>
References: <mailman.19.1233932412.15043.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<498C541D.5000006@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20090206160817.9E8AC20A13@qs281.pair.com>

Andrew,
When you quoted Steven's message it didn't separate his original text 
from your text.  What e-mailer are you using that doesn't use the 
typical  > ,  | ,  or ]  character?


At 09:15 AM 2/6/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:08:03 -0500 (EST)
>From: Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
>To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902060702230.27957 at duo>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, James Diffendaffer wrote:
>
> > > Apparently, someone has figured out how to reverse case yellowing.
> > > The original thread was from an Amiga forum but this is where I saw it.
>
>There's something else to consider.  My experience with vintage musical
>equipment has shown that cleanup attempts, even successful ones, can
>destroy the collector's value of a classic or antique item.
>
>In the 70s I acquired a 1953 Fender Telecaster guitar.  The previous owner
>had worn all the finish off the neck and several portions of the body.
>Being young and foolish, I had a local shop strip, bleach and refinish the
>instrument.  It did look good, but lost the cache' in the process.  When I
>sold it in 1990 it brought $1800.  The broker told me that if I'd left it
>alone, dirty or not, the going price would have been in the low five
>figures.  An expensive lesson!
>
>This may be of less consequence for those who never plan to sell their
>collection, but something to keep in the back of your head.
>
>Steve
>
>---
>
>Hmm - makes me wonder if/how/what I should do when I get around to 
>cleaning up and restoring my Altair (it can't be turned on in the 
>condition it is in, that's for certain - has what seems to be like 
>1/2" of dust and dirt in it). I already know I need to purchase a 
>variac to bring the caps up to snuff again so they don't explode...
>
>To get this back on topic, though - my old CGP-220 is badly 
>yellowed, so I might look into this process...thanks for the post!
>
>-- Andrew
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Feb  6 12:08:20 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:08:20 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <20090206160817.9E8AC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <mailman.19.1233932412.15043.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<498C541D.5000006@cox.net> <20090206160817.9E8AC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <200902061208.20545.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 06 February 2009, Roger Taylor wrote:
>Andrew,
>When you quoted Steven's message it didn't separate his original text
>from your text.  What e-mailer are you using that doesn't use the
>typical  > ,  | ,  or ]  character?
>
Its in the headers Roger, linux thunderbird-2.0.0.19, and obviously 
miss-configured.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If in doubt, mumble.


From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 12:23:15 2009
From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:23:15 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
In-Reply-To: <D62A73A124D7419782D3436EF3783784@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <gmhrm3+iobm@eGroups.com>

As near as I can tell, here are the important things in the process:
Do not use chlorine!
Use 10-15% concentration of hydrogen peroxide (hair dresser supply
placed normally sell around a 12% concentration)
Oxy type laundry additive containing TAED
Around 6 or more hours exposure to UV light is required.


--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at ...>
wrote:
>
> See http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=37808
> 
> And
> 
> http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?t=11877
> 
> for much more.
> 
> Neil
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: James Diffendaffer 
> 
> Apparently, someone has figured out how to reverse case yellowing.
> The original thread was from an Amiga forum but this is where I saw it.
> 
> http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=138244&st=0
> 
> Read carefully as damage might result if you aren't careful.
>




From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Feb  6 13:19:32 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:19:32 -0600
Subject: [Coco] OT: GIMIX Update
In-Reply-To: <716F5E58-4725-40F7-BF84-DE4B4495B6AB@pritchard.ca>
References: <716F5E58-4725-40F7-BF84-DE4B4495B6AB@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <1806abd60902061019r33e9aeffv291d68aae39e754a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

So my Mobile Me account expired and the photo gallery I had for the GIMIX
has been down for about 1 month.  I have republished the photos on my
personal web site, and some day I will be making some postings on my retro
computing website http://www.retrocomputing.ca.  In the mean time below is
the URL for the current site with the GIMIX photos.

http://www.pritchard.ca/Ryans_web_page/Photos/Pages/Gimix_OS-9_Lvl_3.html

Yeah, yeah, I know shameless web site plugs.  =:vP

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> So both GIMIX systems power up.
>
> One for sure boots from FDD.  Though it seems there may be a problem with
> the HDD boot, or boot diskettes that switch to the HDD.
>
> Anyway, you can see the new pictures of the screen shots.  Not the greatest
> but Y2K did affect the GIMIX systems as one picture will show.
>
> http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021
>
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>
>
>
>


-- 
Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 14:34:02 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:34:02 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Final T & D part
Message-ID: <5AEB8DAC60B84381B22DC44988892EFF@NewBaby>


Here are the Public Domain disks from T & D. 

http://rapidshare.com/files/192379020/PublicDomain.zip

Size:8391 KB

The indexes for the PD and the Graphics disks can be found here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/database

See

PublicDomain : T&D Public Domain Disks 

And
 
Grafix : T&D Grafix Disks.

All T&D published by Tom Dykema

Neil


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From mdelyea at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 18:00:40 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: GIMIX Update
In-Reply-To: <1806abd60902061019r33e9aeffv291d68aae39e754a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <716F5E58-4725-40F7-BF84-DE4B4495B6AB@pritchard.ca>
	<1806abd60902061019r33e9aeffv291d68aae39e754a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80902061500h4addfd5en66b9d99404b443d4@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have any clearer pics of the screen?  I like to see these old
machines in operation.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> So my Mobile Me account expired and the photo gallery I had for the GIMIX
> has been down for about 1 month.  I have republished the photos on my
> personal web site, and some day I will be making some postings on my retro
> computing website http://www.retrocomputing.ca.  In the mean time below is
> the URL for the current site with the GIMIX photos.
>
> http://www.pritchard.ca/Ryans_web_page/Photos/Pages/Gimix_OS-9_Lvl_3.html
>
> Yeah, yeah, I know shameless web site plugs.  =:vP
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> So both GIMIX systems power up.
>>
>> One for sure boots from FDD.  Though it seems there may be a problem with
>> the HDD boot, or boot diskettes that switch to the HDD.
>>
>> Anyway, you can see the new pictures of the screen shots.  Not the greatest
>> but Y2K did affect the GIMIX systems as one picture will show.
>>
>> http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ryan Pritchard
>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Feb  6 20:22:32 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:22:32 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] program manuals and rainbow on disc
 pdfs uploaded
In-Reply-To: <gmfn1d+qa3q@eGroups.com>
References: <gmfn1d+qa3q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <498CE258.1060804@swbell.net>

Sounds cool.  I haven't found them yet, but I suppose we're waiting for
the admin to move them from incoming...

Thanks for your work.

JCE

stinger30au wrote:
> well its taken a few days, but finally my pc has finished uploading
> 5.5 gigabytes of pdf files to the ftp site at excalibur1.net
>
> theres all sorts of manuals for games, tools, utilitys etc
>
> plus  every rainbow on disc information card i have. a number of years
> are complete
>
> these cards came with the rainbow on disc and told you what programs
> were on each. some were in colour and others in b&w and al scanned in
> accordingly
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From coconutcowboy2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 20:14:38 2009
From: coconutcowboy2002 at yahoo.com (coconutcowboy2002)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:14:38 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] cpu and memory upgrade
Message-ID: <gmin9u+sr2q@eGroups.com>

I heard there is a cpu upgrade and memory upgrade for my coco3.

also can a anolog computer monitor vga or svga connected to this 
computer?

I bought a cm8 but that deal fell through I guess.

dos anyone have a cm8 or extra set of deluxe joysticks or an xpad?

thanks
Sean



From coconutcowboy2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 20:23:10 2009
From: coconutcowboy2002 at yahoo.com (coconutcowboy2002)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:23:10 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] looking for speech sound module
Message-ID: <gminpu+i5pi@eGroups.com>

I am looking for a speech sound module, I am willing to pay the price 
of a good clean one with manual.
thanks



From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Feb  6 22:59:45 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:59:45 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] cpu and memory upgrade
In-Reply-To: <gmin9u+sr2q@eGroups.com>
References: <gmin9u+sr2q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <498D0731.9050203@swbell.net>

coconutcowboy2002 wrote:
> I heard there is a cpu upgrade and memory upgrade for my coco3.
>
>   
The Hitachi 6309 is a 6809 compatible CPU with extra registers, extra
instructions (including hardware division and block transfer
instructions), and can run in a mode where it executes many instructions
in fewer clock cycles than the 6809.  You need special software in order
to take advantage of most of these features.  The 6309 version of
NitrOS-9 is an example.

There have been many memory upgrades for the CoCo 3, from 256k to 512K
(by far the most common), to 1 or 2M and beyond.  Anything beyond 512K
will come with an extra board that enhances the MMU's DAT.

Cloud 9 sells 6309 upgrades and 512K upgrades.  (http://www.cloud9tech.com/)
> also can a anolog computer monitor vga or svga connected to this 
> computer?
>
>   
Not without an adapter.  There's a guy who subscribes to this list by
the name of Roy Justus (did I spell that correctly?) who designed and
sells a box that lets you use the CoCo 3 with a VGA monitor.

JCE
> I bought a cm8 but that deal fell through I guess.
>
> dos anyone have a cm8 or extra set of deluxe joysticks or an xpad?
>
> thanks
> Sean
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From RJRTTY at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 00:00:18 2009
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 00:00:18 EST
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] cpu and memory upgrade
Message-ID: <cdf.45383883.36be6f62@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:55:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jcewy at swbell.net writes:



>Not without an adapter.  There's a guy who subscribes to this list  by
>the name of Roy Justus (did I spell that correctly?) who designed  and
>sells a box that lets you use the CoCo 3 with a VGA monitor.
 
 
 
You got it right!  Yes I am the guy who makes the
SVGA adapter.   You can see it in operation on the
_www.coco3.com_ (http://www.coco3.com)  website.
 
Roy
 
**************Who's never won?  Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on 
AOL Music. 
(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003)


From jamesjones01 at mchsi.com  Sat Feb  7 14:51:08 2009
From: jamesjones01 at mchsi.com (James Jones)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:51:08 -0600
Subject: [Coco] OT: change of address
Message-ID: <498DE62C.2050802@mchsi.com>

Billie and I are switching ISPs, and to save myself from having to go 
through such a big switch again, I will be moving things to gmail: 
jejones3141 at gmail.com.

James


From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  8 15:20:51 2009
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:20:51 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80902021326q65d82e4qd9279c5b58296516@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>	<dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>	<1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>	<B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby>
	<1b52e6c80902021326q65d82e4qd9279c5b58296516@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498F3EA3.7@sbcglobal.net>

Can not download file. Limit of 10 exceeded.

John Donaldson


mike delyea wrote:

>http://rapidshare.com/files/193088751/Inside_OS-9_Level_II__1987__Kevin_Darling_.pdf.html
>
>On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Throw it up on Rapidshare and post a link!
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have a pdf version if you can tell me where you want it sent.
>>>      
>>>
>>--
>>Coco mailing list
>>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>    
>>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>  
>


-- 


From tlindner at macmess.org  Sat Feb  7 16:01:28 2009
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:01:28 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Cocomag finished issues now on CoCo Wiki
Message-ID: <1iurpuc.nypc9car72kiM%tlindner@macmess.org>

I've started moving the finished UnderColor issues to the Coco Wiki.

The original project is here:

http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml

The final home for the data is here:

http://www.coco25.com/wiki/index.php/Undercolor

The software I wrote to do the initial digitization didn't support
sophisticated typesetting. Now that the articles are on the Wiki, there
are many more options to improve their look. Search google for
"Wikimedia Markup" to learn more about how to format Wiki articles.

Also the CoCo Wiki will have better google juice than the dynmaic DNS
site I run. That should make the article's content more prominent when
searching.

So far only the first two issues have been moved over. I'm looking for
feed-back on improving the script generated Wiki pages. It's an
automated process to move the data to the Wiki. If there are any
problems it's best to catch it early. If I have to regenate any wiki
pages from the script we will loose any formatting and content changes
people make to the wiki pages.

***

And finally, any suggestion for the next publication to digitize?

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Sat Feb  7 16:23:36 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:23:36 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Sardis Technologies DMC "No-Halt" Floppy Controller
In-Reply-To: <179327.60222.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.31.1224300322.6166.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<179327.60222.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c9896a$56b9b6c0$042d2440$@com>

I have scanned the user manual and the schematics.  Can upload them
somewhere if it is OK with David.  I do not have the driver disks but do
have the driver manual (custom ver of SDISK) that can be scanned as well.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Barnes
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:50 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: [Coco] Sardis Technologies DMC "No-Halt" Floppy Controller

Hey everyone,

I e-Mailed David Wiens of Sardis Technologies (email below) and there is a
chance he may release the DMC Controller info to the community. I dunno what
we as a community can do to encourage this, but this could be some good news
if he does so.

Sardis Technologies still has a website, as he is still in business working
with Microcontroller Software and Hardware Design.


-Later!
?-WB-???    -- BABIC Computer Consulting.



> From: David C. Wiens <e-mail address removed>
> Subject: Re: "no halt" DMC floppy disk controller
> To: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 8:59 PM
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Thanks for your interest in the DMC floppy disk controller.
> 
> Yes, it was compatible with the CoCo 3 (and CoCo 2).  As a
> matter of 
> fact, I was inspired to design it when the CoCo 3 and OS-9
> Level II were 
> released.
> 
> No, unfortunately it is no longer available for sale, and
> hasn't been 
> for over 15 years.
> 
> Would I be willing to release the design to the CoCo
> community?  
> Probably.  But it might be several months before I have
> time to look for it.
> 
> Building one would require finding a 1773 floppy disk
> controller chip.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave Wiens
> Sardis Technologies
> 


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From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 16:40:03 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:40:03 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>	<dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>	<1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>	<B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby><1b52e6c80902021326q65d82e4qd9279c5b58296516@mail.gmail.com>
	<498F3EA3.7@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <0F2DFD03A3F64F82A69349473C165426@NewBaby>

That's a new one.


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I post mine under a free account here 

Rapidshare.com : Free Zone : Collector's Zone Login

That way you get points for the files and unlimited downloads.

I've uploaded it to my account here

http://rapidshare.com/files/195284059/Inside_OS-9_Level_II__1987__Kevin_Darling.pdf 

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Should be unlimited now - some files have been downloaded 40+ times.

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Can not download file. Limit of 10 exceeded.
> 
> John Donaldson

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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 21:09:12 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:09:12 -0600
Subject: [Coco]  Speech/Sound cartridge
Message-ID: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

 Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to add 
this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.

 George 



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sat Feb  7 21:18:49 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:18:49 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
In-Reply-To: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <200902072118.49230.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 07 February 2009, George Ramsower wrote:
> Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to add
>this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
>
> George

Yeah.  There is a filter of some sort that needs something changed, but its 
been close to 20 years.  There *may* be something on rtsi about it, and it 
was covered in the Rainbow once.  Mine is fixed, but I have NDI what I did to 
fix it now.  Or even if it still works, it hasn't been in the mpi in probably 
15 years, maybe more.

>
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 21:27:23 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:27:23 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <005f01c98994$c8fe1670$0701a8c0@master>

George,

The stock SSC did have an issue with running at 2MHz. There were a couple of 
suggested fixes, including replacing a transistor with another type. This is 
the road I took, and it was successful.

There's only one transistor in the SSC, a 2SA984K (Q1), a PNP. From memory 
(and someone correct me if I'm wrong), I replaced it with a 2N3906. Be 
careful to match the pins correctly. I seem to remember that the 2N3906 had 
it's pins different from the existing transistor.

Other fixes were also suggested, which may or may not be easier or more 
effective.

The problem (as I understood it) was that no (or low) -5 volt was generated 
to drive the op-amps.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge


> Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to add 
> this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
>
> George
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Feb  7 22:48:56 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:48:56 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
In-Reply-To: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <498E5628.1000601@worldnet.att.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
> Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to add 
> this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
> 
> George
> 

There are two sections of the device that need to be altered to run at 
2MHz. The internal power supply needs a change and the clock signal at 
IC3 pins 8&9 must be adjusted so the IC always sees a 1MHz clock signal.

The simplest way to correct the power supply is not to change the 
transistor but just add a small ceramic cap to supply a "feed forward" 
signal. Switches can be used to alter the clock signal although some 
have made this automatic.
You can see one approach at my web site,
http://home.att.net/~robert.gault/Coco/FAQ/SSC_hack.htm . Another is 
posted at Coco3.com.


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 23:03:41 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:03:41 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<498E5628.1000601@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <007801c989a2$3c663bd0$0701a8c0@master>

Hmm, I've never done any modification around IC3 on my 2 SSC's, and they 
both work perfectly.

Caveat: YMMV

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gault" <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge


> George Ramsower wrote:
>> Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to add 
>> this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
>>
>> George
>>
>
> There are two sections of the device that need to be altered to run at 
> 2MHz. The internal power supply needs a change and the clock signal at IC3 
> pins 8&9 must be adjusted so the IC always sees a 1MHz clock signal.
>
> The simplest way to correct the power supply is not to change the 
> transistor but just add a small ceramic cap to supply a "feed forward" 
> signal. Switches can be used to alter the clock signal although some have 
> made this automatic.
> You can see one approach at my web site,
> http://home.att.net/~robert.gault/Coco/FAQ/SSC_hack.htm . Another is 
> posted at Coco3.com.
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From jdaggett at gate.net  Sat Feb  7 23:16:26 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:16:26 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
In-Reply-To: <005f01c98994$c8fe1670$0701a8c0@master>
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>,
	<005f01c98994$c8fe1670$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <498E164A.21831.FCC01A@jdaggett.gate.net>


There is two issues with 1.78 MHz bus clock.

1) Q1 and its associated circuitry acts as voltage inverter to generate a 
negative voltage to the opamps. The problem can be corrected with a 
change in Q1. This will work if the right Q1 is used. The real issue is the RC 
network of R16 and C26. The intention of this filter is to round off the edge 
of E clock square wave so to minimize rigning in the coil. The problem is 
that the RC network rounds off the negative transistion of the E clock  
sufficiently when increased to 1.78 MHz. This does not allow Q1 to stay on 
long enough to build up charge in L1. Thus not enough negative voltage for 
the opamps. Changing Q1 to a 2N3906 will help. Changing the time 
constant of R16 and C26 will also improve teh invertor performance. .

2) Second issue is that IC3 XORs the E and Q clock. Due to the quadrature 
nature of the E and Q clock this will result in a frequency that is twice that 
of either the E or Q alone. When generatign sound the sound will now be 
one octave higher because of the increase in frequency. This can be 
corrected simply by not XOR ing the two clocks when in high speed mode. 
There is a file on RSTI that describes how this can be done. One method 
locks you into high speed mode another method uses a switch to allow the 
pack to be used in fast or slow mode. 

james

On 8 Feb 2009 at 12:27, Bob Devries wrote:

> George,
> 
> The stock SSC did have an issue with running at 2MHz. There were a
> couple of suggested fixes, including replacing a transistor with
> another type. This is the road I took, and it was successful.
> 
> There's only one transistor in the SSC, a 2SA984K (Q1), a PNP. From
> memory (and someone correct me if I'm wrong), I replaced it with a
> 2N3906. Be careful to match the pins correctly. I seem to remember
> that the 2N3906 had it's pins different from the existing transistor.
> 
> Other fixes were also suggested, which may or may not be easier or
> more effective.
> 
> The problem (as I understood it) was that no (or low) -5 volt was
> generated to drive the op-amps.
> 
> --
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
> 
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
> 
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:09 PM
> Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
> 
> 
> > Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to
> > add this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
> >
> > George
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
> 
> 
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco




From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb  7 23:23:59 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:23:59 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
In-Reply-To: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <20090208042443.77AF720A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 08:09 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
>Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to 
>add this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
>
>George


Here's a mod you can review.

http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=25&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From jcewy at swbell.net  Sat Feb  7 23:44:01 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:44:01 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Cocomag finished issues now on CoCo Wiki
In-Reply-To: <1iurpuc.nypc9car72kiM%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <1iurpuc.nypc9car72kiM%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <498E6311.9080107@swbell.net>

This is great.  It was fun helping with the digitizing, and made me
really look forward to seeing the finished product.

JCE

tim lindner wrote:
> I've started moving the finished UnderColor issues to the Coco Wiki.
>
> The original project is here:
>
> http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml
>
> The final home for the data is here:
>
> http://www.coco25.com/wiki/index.php/Undercolor
>
> The software I wrote to do the initial digitization didn't support
> sophisticated typesetting. Now that the articles are on the Wiki, there
> are many more options to improve their look. Search google for
> "Wikimedia Markup" to learn more about how to format Wiki articles.
>
> Also the CoCo Wiki will have better google juice than the dynmaic DNS
> site I run. That should make the article's content more prominent when
> searching.
>
> So far only the first two issues have been moved over. I'm looking for
> feed-back on improving the script generated Wiki pages. It's an
> automated process to move the data to the Wiki. If there are any
> problems it's best to catch it early. If I have to regenate any wiki
> pages from the script we will loose any formatting and content changes
> people make to the wiki pages.
>
> ***
>
> And finally, any suggestion for the next publication to digitize?
>
>   



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Feb  8 00:02:22 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
In-Reply-To: <498E164A.21831.FCC01A@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<005f01c98994$c8fe1670$0701a8c0@master>
	<498E164A.21831.FCC01A@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <200902080002.22434.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 07 February 2009, jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
>There is two issues with 1.78 MHz bus clock.
>
>1) Q1 and its associated circuitry acts as voltage inverter to generate a
>negative voltage to the opamps. The problem can be corrected with a
>change in Q1. This will work if the right Q1 is used. The real issue is the
> RC network of R16 and C26. The intention of this filter is to round off the
> edge of E clock square wave so to minimize rigning in the coil. The problem
> is that the RC network rounds off the negative transistion of the E clock
> sufficiently when increased to 1.78 MHz. This does not allow Q1 to stay on
> long enough to build up charge in L1. Thus not enough negative voltage for
> the opamps. Changing Q1 to a 2N3906 will help. Changing the time
>constant of R16 and C26 will also improve teh invertor performance. .
>
>2) Second issue is that IC3 XORs the E and Q clock. Due to the quadrature
>nature of the E and Q clock this will result in a frequency that is twice
> that of either the E or Q alone. When generatign sound the sound will now
> be one octave higher because of the increase in frequency. This can be
> corrected simply by not XOR ing the two clocks when in high speed mode.
> There is a file on RSTI that describes how this can be done. One method
> locks you into high speed mode another method uses a switch to allow the
> pack to be used in fast or slow mode.
>
>james
>
Thanks for bailing me out there, James.

>On 8 Feb 2009 at 12:27, Bob Devries wrote:
>> George,
>>
>> The stock SSC did have an issue with running at 2MHz. There were a
>> couple of suggested fixes, including replacing a transistor with
>> another type. This is the road I took, and it was successful.
>>
>> There's only one transistor in the SSC, a 2SA984K (Q1), a PNP. From
>> memory (and someone correct me if I'm wrong), I replaced it with a
>> 2N3906. Be careful to match the pins correctly. I seem to remember
>> that the 2N3906 had it's pins different from the existing transistor.
>>
>> Other fixes were also suggested, which may or may not be easier or
>> more effective.
>>
>> The problem (as I understood it) was that no (or low) -5 volt was
>> generated to drive the op-amps.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>
>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
>> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:09 PM
>> Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
>>
>> > Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to
>> > add this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
>> >
>> > George
>> >
>> > --
>> > Coco mailing list
>> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
echo "ICK, NOTHING WORKED!!!  You may have to diddle the includes.";;
             -- Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 02:01:17 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:01:17 +1000
Subject: [Coco] compilation of modifications
Message-ID: <009801c989bb$212b5f30$0701a8c0@master>

Having read with interest the comments about the mods to the SSC, I wonder 
whether it would be a good idea to compile a file of all the modifications 
done to the Colour Computer and its peripherals, and perhaps create a PDF 
file of those and upload it to the Maltedmedia website and other sites for 
future reference and historical interest?

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 08:19:36 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 07:19:36 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<20090208042443.77AF720A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c989ef$e46122d0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Taylor"

> At 08:09 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
>>Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to add 
>>this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
>>
>>George
>
>
> Here's a mod you can review.
>
> http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=25&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
>
> -- 
> Roger Taylor

 This exact scenario was bouncing around in the empty spaces left from 
alcohol abuse in my brain to automatically switch from 1 to 2 mhz, but those 
holes in the brain matter were very dark and the battery in my flashlight 
was dead.
 Anyway, that article filled in a hole that was left empty. Now that the 
light is on, I don't need the flashlight.

 Somewhere, I have several of the 2N3906 transistors and I do know where the 
caps are. The chips are plentiful in my little chip chest of 74XX/X stuff.
 So now it ON!!

Thanks,

George 



From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 09:21:12 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (Orville A. Jones)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <498F3EA3.7@sbcglobal.net>
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>	<dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>	<1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>	<B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby>	<1b52e6c80902021326q65d82e4qd9279c5b58296516@mail.gmail.com>
	<498F3EA3.7@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <498EEA58.7020203@insight.rr.com>

Hi John,
I can send you the file if you want.

Alan Jones

-- 
N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home



John Donaldson wrote:
> Can not download file. Limit of 10 exceeded.
>
> John Donaldson
>
>
> mike delyea wrote:
>
>> http://rapidshare.com/files/193088751/Inside_OS-9_Level_II__1987__Kevin_Darling_.pdf.html 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> Throw it up on Rapidshare and post a link!
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> I have a pdf version if you can tell me where you want it sent.
>>>>     
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>  
>>
>
>


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Feb  8 11:20:27 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:20:27 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
In-Reply-To: <001b01c989ef$e46122d0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<20090208042443.77AF720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<001b01c989ef$e46122d0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <498F064B.7010203@worldnet.att.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Taylor"
> 
>> At 08:09 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
>>> Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to 
>>> add this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
>>>
>>> George
>>
>>
>> Here's a mod you can review.
>>
>> http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=25&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Roger Taylor
> 
> This exact scenario was bouncing around in the empty spaces left from 
> alcohol abuse in my brain to automatically switch from 1 to 2 mhz, but 
> those holes in the brain matter were very dark and the battery in my 
> flashlight was dead.
> Anyway, that article filled in a hole that was left empty. Now that the 
> light is on, I don't need the flashlight.
> 
> Somewhere, I have several of the 2N3906 transistors and I do know where 
> the caps are. The chips are plentiful in my little chip chest of 74XX/X 
> stuff.
> So now it ON!!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George
> 
> -- 

George, read the article more carefully. You don't need to change the 
transistor!


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 11:24:09 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:24:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] cocofuse not functional
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081116540.7810@duo>

For the second time, I have made attempts to use 'cocofuse' from the 
toolshed distribution to mount an OS-9 disk image.

This time it mounts without complaint, but attempts at reading the image 
result in a "file name too long" error.

Just curious if it's my environment (Ubuntu Hardy 8.04.1) or if there's 
general breakage here.  Is it working for anyone?

Worse yet, 'lsmod' indicates that the fuse module is still in use when I'm 
done with my futile attempt and have unmounted the image.  Something is 
Not Right.

Steve


-- 


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 11:42:38 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:42:38 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<20090208042443.77AF720A13@qs281.pair.com><001b01c989ef$e46122d0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<498F064B.7010203@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <001201c98a0c$41753210$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


----- Original Message ----- 
> George Ramsower wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Taylor"
>>
>>> At 08:09 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
>>>> Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to add 
>>>> this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's a mod you can review.
>>>
>>> http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=25&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Roger Taylor
>>
>> This exact scenario was bouncing around in the empty spaces left from 
>> alcohol abuse in my brain to automatically switch from 1 to 2 mhz, but 
>> those holes in the brain matter were very dark and the battery in my 
>> flashlight was dead.
>> Anyway, that article filled in a hole that was left empty. Now that the 
>> light is on, I don't need the flashlight.
>>
>> Somewhere, I have several of the 2N3906 transistors and I do know where 
>> the caps are. The chips are plentiful in my little chip chest of 74XX/X 
>> stuff.
>> So now it ON!!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> George
>>
>> -- 
>
> George, read the article more carefully. You don't need to change the 
> transistor!

 I suppose a previous post leaked into that brain hole and left that one in 
there. I did read read it and I remember it wasn't there. DOH!
 From the old days, I KNOW that most any small signal transistor can handle 
frequencies that a coco can produce.

 I bookmarked that page for later reference and I would have found that 
"DOH" when I get ready to do the mod on that pak.

 The past few days, I've been rebuilding my commercial website and it has 
over 10,000 pages. This takes a LOT of brain cells and time. So I am prone 
to make mistakes.
 I can live with it. It only happens four time a year when I have to do 
this. It's a pain in the dorsal posterior, butt it has to be done.

 The spelling was not an accident.

 Thanks,

George




From jcewy at swbell.net  Sun Feb  8 11:54:10 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:54:10 -0600
Subject: [Coco] compilation of modifications
In-Reply-To: <009801c989bb$212b5f30$0701a8c0@master>
References: <009801c989bb$212b5f30$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <498F0E32.7080501@swbell.net>

Hey Bob,

Sounds like a good topic for Allen Huffman's CoCo Wiki! 
http://www.coco25.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

JCE

Bob Devries wrote:
> Having read with interest the comments about the mods to the SSC, I
> wonder whether it would be a good idea to compile a file of all the
> modifications done to the Colour Computer and its peripherals, and
> perhaps create a PDF file of those and upload it to the Maltedmedia
> website and other sites for future reference and historical interest?
>
> -- 
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  9 12:16:41 2009
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:16:41 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
In-Reply-To: <498EEA58.7020203@insight.rr.com>
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>	<dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>	<1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>	<B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby>	<1b52e6c80902021326q65d82e4qd9279c5b58296516@mail.gmail.com>	<498F3EA3.7@sbcglobal.net>
	<498EEA58.7020203@insight.rr.com>
Message-ID: <499064F9.6080204@sbcglobal.net>

Orville A. Jones wrote:

> Hi John,
> I can send you the file if you want.
>
> Alan Jones
>
OK...thanks

John Donaldson

-- 


From boisy at tee-boy.com  Sun Feb  8 12:25:52 2009
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:25:52 -0600
Subject: [Coco] cocofuse not functional
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081116540.7810@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081116540.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <5D576639-6AAF-46BD-8126-C77B463E6E10@tee-boy.com>

Steve,

cocofuse was written for a version of the FUSE file system that is  
probably several revisions behind by now... at least.

I would expect that a revisiting of the current version of FUSE is  
necessary to insure that the old driver is in compliance with any  
changes, not using deprecated functions, etc.

Boisy

On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:

> For the second time, I have made attempts to use 'cocofuse' from the  
> toolshed distribution to mount an OS-9 disk image.
>
> This time it mounts without complaint, but attempts at reading the  
> image result in a "file name too long" error.
>
> Just curious if it's my environment (Ubuntu Hardy 8.04.1) or if  
> there's general breakage here.  Is it working for anyone?
>
> Worse yet, 'lsmod' indicates that the fuse module is still in use  
> when I'm done with my futile attempt and have unmounted the image.   
> Something is Not Right.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -- 
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

Regards,
Boisy G. Pitre
--
Tee-Boy
Mobile: 337.781.3570
Email: boisy at tee-boy.com
Web: http://www.tee-boy.com



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 12:27:22 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:27:22 -0600
Subject: [Coco] compilation of modifications
References: <009801c989bb$212b5f30$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <002901c98a12$812faec0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Devries"

> Having read with interest the comments about the mods to the SSC, I wonder 
> whether it would be a good idea to compile a file of all the modifications 
> done to the Colour Computer and its peripherals, and perhaps create a PDF 
> file of those and upload it to the Maltedmedia website and other sites for 
> future reference and historical interest?
>

 I think this is a good idea. For example: I have three or four CC3 machines 
with a mod I put in many years ago that I THINK was supposed to fix the 
B.L.O.B. problem.
 If this is the case, I would like to restore them to original.
 This one involves some mods to IC9, pins 3 and 5. and adding a gate in 
there.. maybe a 7402? I seem to recall someone saying this is not the 
correct chip.. The board I'm looking at might have the wrong chip in the 
mod. However, this board isn't being used right now.

 With an archive of modifications, I could easily find out what the heck it 
was that I did this for or even if it is necessary today.

 On the original 4K CC, a friend and I made a mod to enable it to use 64k 
RAM. We used the original Motorola suggestions on that one. Worked great!. 
We worked at Motorola at the time and the books were free to us. RatShack 
made it not work with 64K. They didn't follow the suggestions from Motorola.

 I remember that at the time, Motorola was pushing the machine as a gaming 
machine. So it isn't surprising that RatShack did the same thing. What a 
screw-up!


George
 



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 15:28:31 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:28:31 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] inside os9 level 2 by kevin k darling
References: <gm6n5s+ovse@eGroups.com>	<dcc956220902020440q2ae3d0abm83114a54766fdf1e@mail.gmail.com>	<1b52e6c80902020642p3e1a2b80g99a50591d085b215@mail.gmail.com>	<B98DD4AA97A149749127DE556F163EEC@NewBaby>	<1b52e6c80902021326q65d82e4qd9279c5b58296516@mail.gmail.com><498F3EA3.7@sbcglobal.net>
	<498EEA58.7020203@insight.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5081B958738847DE86E297D24453F128@NewBaby>


There's another copy here

http://rapidshare.com/files/195286284/Inside_OS-9_Level_II__1987__Kevin_Darling.pdf

Size:18551 KB

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orville A. Jones" exwn8jef at gmail.com

> Hi John,
> I can send you the file if you want.
>
> Alan Jones



From seanruss at netzero.net  Sun Feb  8 15:36:38 2009
From: seanruss at netzero.net (seanrussoct08)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:36:38 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: cpu and memory upgrade
In-Reply-To: <gmin9u+sr2q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmnfom+fukc@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "coconutcowboy2002"
<coconutcowboy2002 at ...> wrote:
>
> I heard there is a cpu upgrade and memory upgrade for my coco3.
> 
> also can a anolog computer monitor vga or svga connected to this 
> computer?
> 
> I bought a cm8 but that deal fell through I guess.
> 
> dos anyone have a cm8 or extra set of deluxe joysticks or an xpad?
> 
> thanks
> Sean
>

Hi Sean,

  There is a RGB to VGA converter that is sold by Roy Justus.  Go to
this website:

http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/articles/revjustusvga.html

  With this device you can attach a modern VGA monitor to a coco.  I
am currently on his  waiting list to buy one.  I am quite anxious to
get it and use my 19" CRT VGA monitor!  There is also a link to the
website from coco3.com. 

  I see deluxe joysticks and xpads on eBay quite frequently; there
area some people, however, that ask WAY to much for them!  I would
really like a deluxe color mouse myself, but I don't think that I am
willing to spend the 80 bucks or so that I see some people asking for
them.  Oh, and go visit www.cloud9tech.com for the cpu and mem upgrade.
Good luck,

Sean





From seanruss at netzero.net  Sun Feb  8 15:40:20 2009
From: seanruss at netzero.net (seanrussoct08)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:40:20 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
Message-ID: <gmnfvk+bs2a@eGroups.com>

I am looking for the following items, if anyone has any they wish to sell.

RS232 Program-Pak
Coco 3 manuals
deluxe color mouse


Thanks,

Sean R.



From ed_s_429 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 16:05:00 2009
From: ed_s_429 at yahoo.com (Ed Siler)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:05:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
In-Reply-To: <gmnfvk+bs2a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <86131.76798.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have at least the RS232, maybe all. See my pics in the gallery.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/photos/album/600773952/pic/list
?
I planned to have a bunch of stuff ready by now, just haven't had time. My apologies to all.
Ed

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, seanrussoct08 <seanruss at netzero.net> wrote:

From: seanrussoct08 <seanruss at netzero.net>
Subject: [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 2:40 PM






I am looking for the following items, if anyone has any they wish to sell.

RS232 Program-Pak
Coco 3 manuals
deluxe color mouse

Thanks,

Sean R.

















      


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 16:14:23 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:14:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
In-Reply-To: <86131.76798.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <86131.76798.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081613450.7810@duo>

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Ed Siler wrote:

> I have at least the RS232, maybe all. See my pics in the gallery.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/photos/album/600773952/pic/list

> I planned to have a bunch of stuff ready by now, just haven't had time. My apologies to all.

I sent you several messages with offers for various things.  I was 
wondering if you ever saw them.


-- 


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Feb  8 16:20:06 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Food for thought on the mystical Coco 256 color mode
Message-ID: <498F4C86.1000408@worldnet.att.net>

This is for anyone who feels capable of decoding the GIME chip circuit 
diagram regards gates/lines that don't seem to have a purpose. Check out 
the specs for the VGA 13h Mode http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_13h and 
see if that type of addressing could be hidden within the GIME.


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Sun Feb  8 18:55:03 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:55:03 -0700
Subject: [Coco] i'm back
Message-ID: <20090208235503.GE28860@virgo.sdc.org>

After being more-or-less off-line all summer, I'm back on the CoCo
list.

Anybody notice I was gone? ;-)

My CoCo seems to have survived going seven months without being turned
on, poor thing.  Now, if I can find my notes, I can get back to the
projects I was working on with it.

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From alsplace at pobox.com  Sun Feb  8 19:01:55 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:01:55 -0600
Subject: [Coco] i'm back
In-Reply-To: <20090208235503.GE28860@virgo.sdc.org>
References: <20090208235503.GE28860@virgo.sdc.org>
Message-ID: <E5DDD5A8-2A3E-4E98-B37B-3DFA1F1619AD@pobox.com>

Welcome back, Willard!

Sent from my iPhone
Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman


From charles.shrader at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 19:50:11 2009
From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:50:11 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
In-Reply-To: <gmnfvk+bs2a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4C23993296D04F74BFBB2AFFBA9C3415@CHUCK03>

I'm looking for a Stellar Lifeline cartridge; if anyone has one for sale, please let me know...
 
Chuck S.


From cyberpunk at prtc.net  Sun Feb  8 20:39:18 2009
From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:39:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
References: <4C23993296D04F74BFBB2AFFBA9C3415@CHUCK03>
Message-ID: <F87431FACAF54FF3B6924E782C99A76B@FANTASYWARE>

Here it is: :D


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Shrader" <charles.shrader at gmail.com>
To: <ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff


> I'm looking for a Stellar Lifeline cartridge; if anyone has one for sale, 
> please let me know...
>
> Chuck S.
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 
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From cyberpunk at prtc.net  Sun Feb  8 20:49:33 2009
From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:49:33 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
References: <4C23993296D04F74BFBB2AFFBA9C3415@CHUCK03>
Message-ID: <1AC3480E53394090927341B13F70FA4F@FANTASYWARE>

Oops my bad I thought you were looking for the file, still it could work...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Shrader" <charles.shrader at gmail.com>
To: <ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff


> I'm looking for a Stellar Lifeline cartridge; if anyone has one for sale, 
> please let me know...
>
> Chuck S.
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 20:53:52 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:53:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
In-Reply-To: <F87431FACAF54FF3B6924E782C99A76B@FANTASYWARE>
References: <4C23993296D04F74BFBB2AFFBA9C3415@CHUCK03>
	<F87431FACAF54FF3B6924E782C99A76B@FANTASYWARE>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902082052390.7810@duo>

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, RJLCyberPunk wrote:

> Here it is: :D

At the risk of appearing naive, what does one do with the image of 
cartridge?  Can they be executed from disk?  Is there anything like a 
flash-programmable cartridge around?



> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Shrader" 
> <charles.shrader at gmail.com>
> To: <ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
>
>
>> I'm looking for a Stellar Lifeline cartridge; if anyone has one for sale, 
>> please let me know...
>> 
>> Chuck S.
>> 
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>> 
>

-- 


From cyberpunk at prtc.net  Sun Feb  8 20:56:37 2009
From: cyberpunk at prtc.net (RJLCyberPunk)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:56:37 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff
References: <4C23993296D04F74BFBB2AFFBA9C3415@CHUCK03><F87431FACAF54FF3B6924E782C99A76B@FANTASYWARE>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902082052390.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <2FFDC48D304E41BC8F5355FFECED6563@FANTASYWARE>

You should be able to run it from Disk provided you change the extension to 
BIN.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Hirsch" <snhirsch at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Look for coco stuff


> On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, RJLCyberPunk wrote:
>
>> Here it is: :D
>
> At the risk of appearing naive, what does one do with the image of 
> cartridge?  Can they be executed from disk?  Is there anything like a 
> flash-programmable cartridge around?
> 



From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 20:58:37 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:58:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco] i'm back
In-Reply-To: <20090208235503.GE28860@virgo.sdc.org>
References: <20090208235503.GE28860@virgo.sdc.org>
Message-ID: <498F8DCD.1070002@gmail.com>

Hi Willard,
Welcome back is in order!
How sad about your CoCo. sniff.....
LOL

Alan Jones

-- 
N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home



Willard Goosey wrote:
> My CoCo seems to have survived going seven months without being turned
> on, poor thing.  
>   


From keeper63 at cox.net  Sun Feb  8 22:17:09 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:17:09 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 69, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1234018817.8817.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.21.1234018817.8817.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <498FA035.6080200@cox.net>

> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:07:32 -0600
> From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Remove case yellowing
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <20090206160817.9E8AC20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> Andrew,
> When you quoted Steven's message it didn't separate his original text 
> from your text.  What e-mailer are you using that doesn't use the 
> typical  > ,  | ,  or ]  character?

The reason why my response was messed up is many-fold. I receive the 
list in digest format, and I read it with Thunderbird (in the recent 
past, before mid-December 2008, I used Mozilla Mail).

I am not sure where the problem lies, but when I reply to the digest 
email of the list, Thunderbird "chops" the email off arbitrarily 
(generally just before the email I want to reply to - at least, that's 
how it seems to me!). So, for those messages, I have to do a cut-n-paste 
job. Usually, I will stick in the appropriate ">" symbol, but I must've 
forgot this time.

Some things I have noticed about this issue:

a. It happened when I used Mozilla Mail, and I had hoped that when I 
upgraded to Thunderbird, that it would go away, but it didn't.

b. When I read the email digest in Thunderbird, at certain points in the 
digest (it seems random - it isn't based on the length or number of 
bytes or anything), the email will go from regular color (black) to a 
different color (grey on my system). Sometimes, it will return back from 
grey to black, then back again. I am not saying it changes position or 
anything in the message as I read it, just that the long message has 
these blocks of different coloring. I don't know why it is like this.

c. I have noticed that when I reply, the message is "cut off" right at 
the point of the color change.

d. Viewing the source of the message (even in a hex editor) at the point 
of "transition", did not reveal anything special that I could see, 
compared to other digests (I save them), or to other areas in the text.

So - I don't know if this is a problem with Thunderbird/Mozilla, the 
digest, or what. I suspect my email reader, but I don't have any hard 
evidence to back that up. I read in HTML format, but the text of the 
digest comes through as ASCII text. I haven't been able to figure out 
whether this plays any part, either.

I've done a little bit of searching about the problem, but I haven't 
found much of anything about it. It doesn't seem to affect other emails 
I get, but then again the CoCo list is the only one I receive with such 
a high volume of messages creating a large digest email.

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 00:22:46 2009
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:22:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] i'm back
In-Reply-To: <20090208235503.GE28860@virgo.sdc.org>
Message-ID: <828887.25687.qm@web31108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Welcome back Willard.(btw, me esposa was from Santa Fe (though lived a few years in Albequerque, where I met her.)

-Later!  ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting.

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Willard Goosey <goosey at virgo.sdc.org> wrote:
From: Willard Goosey <goosey at virgo.sdc.org>
Subject: [Coco] i'm back
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:55 PM

After being more-or-less off-line all summer, I'm back on the CoCo
list.

Anybody notice I was gone? ;-)

My CoCo seems to have survived going seven months without being turned
on, poor thing.  Now, if I can find my notes, I can get back to the
projects I was working on with it.

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



      


From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 14:34:19 2009
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:34:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge
References: <002401c98992$3c922110$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<498E5628.1000601@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <441960.90846.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The CoCo3.com version of the article loses a lot in the formatting and lacks the clear photo of where to mod the pack.
http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page/ssc_mod.htm

Cheers,
Bob



----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Gault <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 9:48:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Speech/Sound cartridge

George Ramsower wrote:
> Was there an issue with the SSC running a CC3 at 2mhz? I'm about to add this cart to one of my OS9 systems on a CC3.
> 
> George
> 

There are two sections of the device that need to be altered to run at 2MHz. The internal power supply needs a change and the clock signal at IC3 pins 8&9 must be adjusted so the IC always sees a 1MHz clock signal.

The simplest way to correct the power supply is not to change the transistor but just add a small ceramic cap to supply a "feed forward" signal. Switches can be used to alter the clock signal although some have made this automatic.
You can see one approach at my web site,
http://home.att.net/~robert.gault/Coco/FAQ/SSC_hack.htm . Another is posted at Coco3.com.

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



      


From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb  9 18:45:21 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:45:21 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
Message-ID: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>

Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has 
the side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....

Read on...

The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace itself 
with an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not CoCoNet, 
it starts up like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live ROM 
Pak.  From your PC you tell the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - 
CoCoNet, a game pak, utility pak, embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, the 
cartridge's EPROM already contains a version of CoCoNet that continues to boot.

This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I can't 
wait to see all this go wireless.

Wireless virtual disks
Wireless ROM Paks
Wireless HTTP requests

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From jpw1 at ptd.net  Mon Feb  9 19:15:08 2009
From: jpw1 at ptd.net (Jason)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:15:08 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: coco-link 1993, 1994, 1995 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <gmcu9m+6p5a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmqguc+8pq4@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" <stinger30au at ...> 
wrote:
>
> well thats the last of it 
> 
> they are uploaded to the ftp site at excalibur1.net
> 
> just over 3 gigabytes of data
> 
> we are missing parts of 1989 and i have none of 1987 and im not sure
> if it started in 1986, if so, im missing them as well
> 
> (coco)
>
Not to sound silly here, could you possibly give us some details 
about how to get an account or login information to excalibur1.net?

Thanks,
Jason




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 19:55:05 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:55:05 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: coco-link 1993, 1994, 1995 uploaded
In-Reply-To: <gmqguc+8pq4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmqj99+krsf@eGroups.com>

http://excalibur1.net/coco/Coco_repository_information.htm

Neil

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <jpw1 at ...> wrote:

> Not to sound silly here, could you possibly give us some details 
> about how to get an account or login information to excalibur1.net?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jason




From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 00:43:25 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:43:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 05:45 PM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
>Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has 
>the side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....
>
>Read on...
>
>The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace 
>itself with an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not 
>CoCoNet, it starts up like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live 
>ROM Pak.  From your PC you tell the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - 
>CoCoNet, a game pak, utility pak, embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, the 
>cartridge's EPROM already contains a version of CoCoNet that continues to boot.
>
>This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I can't 
>wait to see all this go wireless.
>
>Wireless virtual disks
>Wireless ROM Paks
>Wireless HTTP requests



Today I did more work and testing with the Live ROM Pak.  This is 
pure magic.  The CoCoNet Pak (both bitbanger and bluetooth) both will 
serve many purposes even as simple as the system is.  Technically the 
self-replacing ROM doesn't have to have anything other than the 
replacement routine, but that would require the PC to serve up either 
CoCoNet or a game, etc.  Instead, CoCoNet + the updater are on the 
EPROM in case nothing is served from the PC as an update or replacement ROM.

All you see when you turn the CoCo on is a few seconds of delay while 
CoCoNet figures out if it can update itself with a game or another 
copy of CoCoNet, and then you get either the Disk BASIC 1.1 boot 
screen, or a game firing up.  It's practically transparent.  No need 
to mail out updated EPROMs.  The users can just download the latest 
client ROM and nothing has to be done from the CoCo at all.

Now you can develop game paks or even DOSes from the Rainbow IDE 
(click Build, the .rom appears in your Files folder), turn on your 
CoCo and it automatically runs the ROM as if a ROM Pak is 
inserted.  This is live code testing at its best, or just a way to 
run hundreds of game paks without owning the real thing.  It's almost 
the same as an ROM/EPROM emulator.  The only thing I haven't tested 
yet is a wireless connection and that's because those boards aren't here yet.

What I'm doing now is through a simple EPROM Pak and a bitbanger 
cable.  This is by far the most "amazifying" piece of software I've 
probably created yet, yet it's the simplest compared to my other systems.

There's no hardware gadgets or tricks to any of this other than the 
ROM Pak containing a custom patched Disk BASIC 1.1 that can replace 
itself on powerup.  So far this only works on a CoCo 3.  In order to 
work on a CoCo 1 or 2 it has to be 64K and I need to put the all-RAM 
routine in somewhere.  However, this will kill the 115200 bps mode 
since a CoCo 2 can't run at double speed while in all-RAM 
mode.  You'll still get 57600 bps which is actually pretty fast.

What I propose now is that CoCoNet have Virtual Memory access by 
using the PC's resources yet again to give the CoCo more power.  If 
all of this can be possible from a cheap ROM Pak, why try to invent 
some huge expensive cartridge that nobody can afford?  Is software 
the solution?  It can be.  So far, I've ditched the floppy drives and 
ROM Paks, and when the bluetooth pak is done, there goes the idea of 
a needing an MPI for a Deluxe RS-232 Pak slot.

I should really call this thing the Mystery Box and put no label on 
the cartridge.  Or perhaps, the All-in-One Pak.  :)

A few copies of this little ROM Pak should be available by this 
weekend to the testers chosen to play around for a while before I 
release the final gizmo.  The programs I work on as demos will be, 
again... Live, to the testers who will just mount my updated floppy 
disk by pointing to a URL on the web.  The virtual disk is then 
accessible from their CoCo.

Anything else I mention is probably giving too much secret and 
mystery away, so I'll get back to the drawing board and get this 
thing finished already.

Roger Taylor

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Tue Feb 10 02:11:56 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:11:56 -0700
Subject: [Coco] i'm back
In-Reply-To: <828887.25687.qm@web31108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20090208235503.GE28860@virgo.sdc.org>
	<828887.25687.qm@web31108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090210071156.GB16915@virgo.sdc.org>

On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 06:01:55PM -0600, Allen Huffman wrote:
> Welcome back, Willard!

Good to be back.  Truly, I was lost in the void, with NO ONE to talk
computers with!

On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 08:58:37PM -0500, N8WQ wrote:
> Hi Willard,
> Welcome back is in order!

It's good to be back in Socorro (as frightening a concept as that
is).  Not just because it's back to a local call to my ISP.

> How sad about your CoCo. sniff.....
> LOL

Yeah, the poor CoCo was seriously neglected.  But, after a good
dusting and disk cleanings, it seems happy again.  

Now, if I can just find my notes on what I was doing on it...  

On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 09:22:46PM -0800, Bill Barnes wrote: 

> Welcome back Willard.(btw, me esposa was from Santa Fe (though lived
>a few years in Albequerque, where I met her.)

Sounds like you made the right turn at Albuquerque. :-)

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From petrander at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 03:03:09 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:03:09 +0100
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902100003r60424834i5f20584442752284@mail.gmail.com>

Great work, Roger! I am looking forward to trying it out!

2009/2/10 Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>

> At 05:45 PM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has the
>> side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....
>>
>> Read on...
>>
>> The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace itself with
>> an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not CoCoNet, it starts up
>> like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live ROM Pak.  From your PC you tell
>> the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - CoCoNet, a game pak, utility pak,
>> embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, the cartridge's EPROM already contains a
>> version of CoCoNet that continues to boot.
>>
>> This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I can't wait
>> to see all this go wireless.
>>
>> Wireless virtual disks
>> Wireless ROM Paks
>> Wireless HTTP requests
>>
>
>
>
> Today I did more work and testing with the Live ROM Pak.  This is pure
> magic.  The CoCoNet Pak (both bitbanger and bluetooth) both will serve many
> purposes even as simple as the system is.  Technically the self-replacing
> ROM doesn't have to have anything other than the replacement routine, but
> that would require the PC to serve up either CoCoNet or a game, etc.
>  Instead, CoCoNet + the updater are on the EPROM in case nothing is served
> from the PC as an update or replacement ROM.
>
> All you see when you turn the CoCo on is a few seconds of delay while
> CoCoNet figures out if it can update itself with a game or another copy of
> CoCoNet, and then you get either the Disk BASIC 1.1 boot screen, or a game
> firing up.  It's practically transparent.  No need to mail out updated
> EPROMs.  The users can just download the latest client ROM and nothing has
> to be done from the CoCo at all.
>
> Now you can develop game paks or even DOSes from the Rainbow IDE (click
> Build, the .rom appears in your Files folder), turn on your CoCo and it
> automatically runs the ROM as if a ROM Pak is inserted.  This is live code
> testing at its best, or just a way to run hundreds of game paks without
> owning the real thing.  It's almost the same as an ROM/EPROM emulator.  The
> only thing I haven't tested yet is a wireless connection and that's because
> those boards aren't here yet.
>
> What I'm doing now is through a simple EPROM Pak and a bitbanger cable.
>  This is by far the most "amazifying" piece of software I've probably
> created yet, yet it's the simplest compared to my other systems.
>
> There's no hardware gadgets or tricks to any of this other than the ROM Pak
> containing a custom patched Disk BASIC 1.1 that can replace itself on
> powerup.  So far this only works on a CoCo 3.  In order to work on a CoCo 1
> or 2 it has to be 64K and I need to put the all-RAM routine in somewhere.
>  However, this will kill the 115200 bps mode since a CoCo 2 can't run at
> double speed while in all-RAM mode.  You'll still get 57600 bps which is
> actually pretty fast.
>
> What I propose now is that CoCoNet have Virtual Memory access by using the
> PC's resources yet again to give the CoCo more power.  If all of this can be
> possible from a cheap ROM Pak, why try to invent some huge expensive
> cartridge that nobody can afford?  Is software the solution?  It can be.  So
> far, I've ditched the floppy drives and ROM Paks, and when the bluetooth pak
> is done, there goes the idea of a needing an MPI for a Deluxe RS-232 Pak
> slot.
>
> I should really call this thing the Mystery Box and put no label on the
> cartridge.  Or perhaps, the All-in-One Pak.  :)
>
> A few copies of this little ROM Pak should be available by this weekend to
> the testers chosen to play around for a while before I release the final
> gizmo.  The programs I work on as demos will be, again... Live, to the
> testers who will just mount my updated floppy disk by pointing to a URL on
> the web.  The virtual disk is then accessible from their CoCo.
>
> Anything else I mention is probably giving too much secret and mystery
> away, so I'll get back to the drawing board and get this thing finished
> already.
>
> Roger Taylor
>
>
> --
> Roger Taylor
>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Tue Feb 10 06:03:16 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:03:16 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] janurary 1991 rainbow pdf uploaded
Message-ID: <gmrmtk+3pf2@eGroups.com>

my pc is in the process of uploading 180 meg of janurary 1991 rainbow
magazine to excalibur1 web site.

pc says will take another 2 hours



From mark at cloud9tech.com  Tue Feb 10 07:07:05 2009
From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:07:05 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090210060436.02a88090@cloud9tech.com>

Roger,

We need to get you out more....."amazifying" ?????

:)

Mark
Cloud-9


At 2/9/2009 11:43 PM, you wrote:
>At 05:45 PM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
>>Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has 
>>the side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....
>>
>>Read on...
>>
>>The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace 
>>itself with an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not 
>>CoCoNet, it starts up like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live 
>>ROM Pak.  From your PC you tell the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - 
>>CoCoNet, a game pak, utility pak, embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, 
>>the cartridge's EPROM already contains a version of CoCoNet that 
>>continues to boot.
>>
>>This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I 
>>can't wait to see all this go wireless.
>>
>>Wireless virtual disks
>>Wireless ROM Paks
>>Wireless HTTP requests
>
>
>
>Today I did more work and testing with the Live ROM Pak.  This is 
>pure magic.  The CoCoNet Pak (both bitbanger and bluetooth) both 
>will serve many purposes even as simple as the system 
>is.  Technically the self-replacing ROM doesn't have to have 
>anything other than the replacement routine, but that would require 
>the PC to serve up either CoCoNet or a game, etc.  Instead, CoCoNet 
>+ the updater are on the EPROM in case nothing is served from the PC 
>as an update or replacement ROM.
>
>All you see when you turn the CoCo on is a few seconds of delay 
>while CoCoNet figures out if it can update itself with a game or 
>another copy of CoCoNet, and then you get either the Disk BASIC 1.1 
>boot screen, or a game firing up.  It's practically transparent.  No 
>need to mail out updated EPROMs.  The users can just download the 
>latest client ROM and nothing has to be done from the CoCo at all.
>
>Now you can develop game paks or even DOSes from the Rainbow IDE 
>(click Build, the .rom appears in your Files folder), turn on your 
>CoCo and it automatically runs the ROM as if a ROM Pak is 
>inserted.  This is live code testing at its best, or just a way to 
>run hundreds of game paks without owning the real thing.  It's 
>almost the same as an ROM/EPROM emulator.  The only thing I haven't 
>tested yet is a wireless connection and that's because those boards 
>aren't here yet.
>
>What I'm doing now is through a simple EPROM Pak and a bitbanger 
>cable.  This is by far the most "amazifying" piece of software I've 
>probably created yet, yet it's the simplest compared to my other systems.
>
>There's no hardware gadgets or tricks to any of this other than the 
>ROM Pak containing a custom patched Disk BASIC 1.1 that can replace 
>itself on powerup.  So far this only works on a CoCo 3.  In order to 
>work on a CoCo 1 or 2 it has to be 64K and I need to put the all-RAM 
>routine in somewhere.  However, this will kill the 115200 bps mode 
>since a CoCo 2 can't run at double speed while in all-RAM 
>mode.  You'll still get 57600 bps which is actually pretty fast.
>
>What I propose now is that CoCoNet have Virtual Memory access by 
>using the PC's resources yet again to give the CoCo more power.  If 
>all of this can be possible from a cheap ROM Pak, why try to invent 
>some huge expensive cartridge that nobody can afford?  Is software 
>the solution?  It can be.  So far, I've ditched the floppy drives 
>and ROM Paks, and when the bluetooth pak is done, there goes the 
>idea of a needing an MPI for a Deluxe RS-232 Pak slot.
>
>I should really call this thing the Mystery Box and put no label on 
>the cartridge.  Or perhaps, the All-in-One Pak.  :)
>
>A few copies of this little ROM Pak should be available by this 
>weekend to the testers chosen to play around for a while before I 
>release the final gizmo.  The programs I work on as demos will be, 
>again... Live, to the testers who will just mount my updated floppy 
>disk by pointing to a URL on the web.  The virtual disk is then 
>accessible from their CoCo.
>
>Anything else I mention is probably giving too much secret and 
>mystery away, so I'll get back to the drawing board and get this 
>thing finished already.
>
>Roger Taylor
>
>--
>Roger Taylor
>
>http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1941 - Release Date: 
>02/07/09 13:39:00


From RJRTTY at aol.com  Tue Feb 10 07:50:47 2009
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:50:47 EST
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
Message-ID: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/10/2009 7:07:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mark at cloud9tech.com writes:

Roger,

We need to get you out more....."amazifying"  ?????

:)

Mark
Cloud-9



He has already sowed all his wild oats in his younger
days so he doesn't need a social life anymore.   :)
 
This is great work!
 
Roy
 
**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy 
Awards.  AOL Music takes you there. 
(http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002)


From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Feb 10 09:25:24 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:25:24 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004401c98b8b$69d8a310$3d89e930$@com>

But, isn't this normal behavior for us techies of old??????  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of RJRTTY at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:51 AM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoNet status

 
In a message dated 2/10/2009 7:07:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mark at cloud9tech.com writes:

Roger,

We need to get you out more....."amazifying"  ?????

:)

Mark
Cloud-9



He has already sowed all his wild oats in his younger
days so he doesn't need a social life anymore.   :)
 
This is great work!
 
Roy
 
**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy 
Awards.  AOL Music takes you there. 
(http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002)

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1941 - Release Date: 02/09/09
06:50:00



From sklammer at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 10:02:13 2009
From: sklammer at gmail.com (Shain Klammer)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:02:13 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <004401c98b8b$69d8a310$3d89e930$@com>
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
	<004401c98b8b$69d8a310$3d89e930$@com>
Message-ID: <3925f0b0902100702k32408e20t47f2f4fb5170c914@mail.gmail.com>

I would tend to agree - I even appreciate the older definition of "hacker"
:)

I applaud the implementation of 'self-updating' - just curious, are you
doing this by running the 'update' code from the PC "server", loading into
Coco RAM space (and then running it) or onto some battery backed RAM on your
cart?

Ewww, 'virtual memory' - how about 'virtual devices'?  A prime example would
be the redirection of the bit-banger for printer routines?  This could be
problematic for apps outside of Disk BASIC's LPRINT, LLIST (unless Roger's
cart traps/re-directs all Coco bit-banger I/O and have its' own on the
cart?!?!); but, the PC "server" could translate DMP-105 and/or Epson
EX/LX/MX escape sequences.  This might be useful even if it only handled
straight text.

Looking forward to owning one of these...

sk

2009/2/10 Tom Seagrove <tjseagrove at writeme.com>

> But, isn't this normal behavior for us techies of old??????  :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com]
> On
> Behalf Of RJRTTY at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:51 AM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoNet status
>
>
> In a message dated 2/10/2009 7:07:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mark at cloud9tech.com writes:
>
> Roger,
>
> We need to get you out more....."amazifying"  ?????
>
> :)
>
> Mark
> Cloud-9
>
>
>
> He has already sowed all his wild oats in his younger
> days so he doesn't need a social life anymore.   :)
>
> This is great work!
>
> Roy
>
> **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy
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From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Tue Feb 10 10:06:19 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:06:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <004401c98b8b$69d8a310$3d89e930$@com>
Message-ID: <1561931538.6533331234278379816.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>


I suppose some call it that.

In my circles, we call it Engineering, no magic, just a concept, designed and put into play.

Then again, I do this for my real job, then my hobby, you really have to love this stuff!!!

Nothing serious, Engineer's never joke.... :)

Regards,

Mark
Cloud-9



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Seagrove" <tjseagrove at writeme.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:25:24 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoNet status

But, isn't this normal behavior for us techies of old??????  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of RJRTTY at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:51 AM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoNet status

 
In a message dated 2/10/2009 7:07:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mark at cloud9tech.com writes:

Roger,

We need to get you out more....."amazifying"  ?????

:)

Mark
Cloud-9



He has already sowed all his wild oats in his younger
days so he doesn't need a social life anymore.   :)
 
This is great work!
 
Roy
 
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From boisy at tee-boy.com  Tue Feb 10 10:19:44 2009
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:19:44 -0600
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
Message-ID: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>

Hello everyone,

I have posted a document entitled "DriveWire Protocol Version 3.0  
Candidate Specification" on our website at http://www.cloud9tech.com/   
Click on the "Support" tab, then scroll all the way down to the bottom  
of the Support page, and you will find the link to this document at  
the lower right hand side. I am looking for feedback on this document,  
and especially interested in comments about the WireBug protocol,  
which defines a standard for remote debugging.

My tentative plan is to release DriveWire 3 at next month's CoCoFest,  
along with some other great products at our Cloud-9 booth.  I hope to  
see many of you there.

Regards,
Boisy G. Pitre
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From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 10:33:32 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:33:32 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20090210060436.02a88090@cloud9tech.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090210060436.02a88090@cloud9tech.com>
Message-ID: <20090210153347.3508120A14@qs281.pair.com>

At 06:07 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>We need to get you out more....."amazifying" ?????

Yea.  :)  That's one of those Louisiana slang words we throw around 
when we're trying to be cute I guess.
And I work for UPS, so I'm Out too much.  Trust me.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From linville at tuxdriver.com  Tue Feb 10 10:34:24 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
In-Reply-To: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
References: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <20090210153424.GC3534@tuxdriver.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 09:19:44AM -0600, Boisy Pitre wrote:

> I have posted a document entitled "DriveWire Protocol Version 3.0  
> Candidate Specification" on our website at http://www.cloud9tech.com/   
> Click on the "Support" tab, then scroll all the way down to the bottom  
> of the Support page, and you will find the link to this document at the 
> lower right hand side. I am looking for feedback on this document, and 
> especially interested in comments about the WireBug protocol, which 
> defines a standard for remote debugging.

Looks cool.  How do you do breakpoints?

John
-- 
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linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 10:52:45 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:52:45 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090210155301.2C5D920A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 06:50 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 2/10/2009 7:07:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>mark at cloud9tech.com writes:
>
>Roger,
>
>We need to get you out more....."amazifying"  ?????
>
>:)
>
>Mark
>Cloud-9
>
>
>
>He has already sowed all his wild oats in his younger
>days so he doesn't need a social life anymore.   :)
>
>This is great work!
>
>Roy

Mark had it backwards.  I need to GET IN !!n  And I did this 
week.  I'm actually on one of my 3 weeks of vacations this year but 
it's a stay-home week because my two young kids are in school, so I 
can't go far on this one.  As for the social life thing, I've 
actually got one that any lonely person would probably kill for, but 
part of that is from my job.  The other part is just being a people-person.

Hey Mark, this weekend I plan to take my kids on an "amazifying" trip 
to Dallas.  My boy says, "daddy!! that's not even a word".  haha.


-- 
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http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From boisy at tee-boy.com  Tue Feb 10 11:00:53 2009
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:00:53 -0600
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
In-Reply-To: <20090210153424.GC3534@tuxdriver.com>
References: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
	<20090210153424.GC3534@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <A8F5F96E-E358-4EB5-B510-37F393C17CCD@tee-boy.com>

Hey John,

For NitrOS-9, breakpoints are done by inserting the SWI 1-byte opcode  
into the execution path.  The SWI vector then routes executino into  
the wirebug debugging memory module loaded as part of bootup.  That  
module is responsible for talking to the DriveWire server.

For DECB, there's nothing running at the moment.

Boisy

On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 AM, John W. Linville wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 09:19:44AM -0600, Boisy Pitre wrote:
>
>> I have posted a document entitled "DriveWire Protocol Version 3.0
>> Candidate Specification" on our website at http://www.cloud9tech.com/
>> Click on the "Support" tab, then scroll all the way down to the  
>> bottom
>> of the Support page, and you will find the link to this document at  
>> the
>> lower right hand side. I am looking for feedback on this document,  
>> and
>> especially interested in comments about the WireBug protocol, which
>> defines a standard for remote debugging.
>
> Looks cool.  How do you do breakpoints?
>
> John
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From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 11:01:13 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:01:13 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <3925f0b0902100702k32408e20t47f2f4fb5170c914@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
	<004401c98b8b$69d8a310$3d89e930$@com>
	<3925f0b0902100702k32408e20t47f2f4fb5170c914@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090210160210.3147820A15@qs281.pair.com>

At 09:02 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>I would tend to agree - I even appreciate the older definition of "hacker"
>:)
>
>I applaud the implementation of 'self-updating' - just curious, are you
>doing this by running the 'update' code from the PC "server", loading into
>Coco RAM space (and then running it) or onto some battery backed RAM on your
>cart?
>
>Ewww, 'virtual memory' - how about 'virtual devices'?  A prime example would
>be the redirection of the bit-banger for printer routines?  This could be
>problematic for apps outside of Disk BASIC's LPRINT, LLIST (unless Roger's
>cart traps/re-directs all Coco bit-banger I/O and have its' own on the
>cart?!?!); but, the PC "server" could translate DMP-105 and/or Epson
>EX/LX/MX escape sequences.  This might be useful even if it only handled
>straight text.

I'm adding the " PRINT #-2 " support now.  In other words, the -2 
device.  This initially will work with just text.  Translators would 
have to be written in the server for anything fancy to be done.

As for virtual memory, it's all in how you view the term.  A virtual 
disk file is virtual memory because it's stored on the PC while the 
CoCo thinks it's magnetic media.  Actually, the CoCo doesn't even 
think that.  ;)

The auto-update feature or "live ROM" as I called it is all software.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Tue Feb 10 11:08:22 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:08:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090210153347.3508120A14@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1067697125.6558221234282101690.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Roger,

You must be linked up on your phone or linked in to UPS's system in the truck to be online. Heck maybe you have good WiFi in your area.

How ya do dat?

Mark


----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:33:32 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoNet status

At 06:07 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>We need to get you out more....."amazifying" ?????

Yea.  :)  That's one of those Louisiana slang words we throw around 
when we're trying to be cute I guess.
And I work for UPS, so I'm Out too much.  Trust me.

-- 
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http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


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From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Tue Feb 10 11:11:21 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:11:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090210155301.2C5D920A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <361204784.6559611234282281934.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>


Holy Cow! I wasn't aware, my kids at 20 and 24 and I am Grandpa already.

Don't tell Go-Daddy.........


----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:52:45 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoNet status

At 06:50 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 2/10/2009 7:07:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>mark at cloud9tech.com writes:
>
>Roger,
>
>We need to get you out more....."amazifying"  ?????
>
>:)
>
>Mark
>Cloud-9
>
>
>
>He has already sowed all his wild oats in his younger
>days so he doesn't need a social life anymore.   :)
>
>This is great work!
>
>Roy

Mark had it backwards.  I need to GET IN !!n  And I did this 
week.  I'm actually on one of my 3 weeks of vacations this year but 
it's a stay-home week because my two young kids are in school, so I 
can't go far on this one.  As for the social life thing, I've 
actually got one that any lonely person would probably kill for, but 
part of that is from my job.  The other part is just being a people-person.

Hey Mark, this weekend I plan to take my kids on an "amazifying" trip 
to Dallas.  My boy says, "daddy!! that's not even a word".  haha.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


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From snhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 11:22:04 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:22:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] cocofuse not functional
In-Reply-To: <5D576639-6AAF-46BD-8126-C77B463E6E10@tee-boy.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081116540.7810@duo>
	<5D576639-6AAF-46BD-8126-C77B463E6E10@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101120420.7810@duo>

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Boisy Pitre wrote:

> Steve,
>
> cocofuse was written for a version of the FUSE file system that is probably 
> several revisions behind by now... at least.
>
> I would expect that a revisiting of the current version of FUSE is necessary 
> to insure that the old driver is in compliance with any changes, not using 
> deprecated functions, etc.

While I could certainly battle my way through this, I'm curious if the 
author, Tim Lindner, is still active?  It would probably be a snap of the 
fingers for him vs. several hours of poring through documentation for me.



-- 


From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 11:28:05 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:28:05 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <1067697125.6558221234282101690.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.r
	och.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <20090210153347.3508120A14@qs281.pair.com>
	<1067697125.6558221234282101690.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <20090210163002.97B7920A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 10:08 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>You must be linked up on your phone or linked in to UPS's system in 
>the truck to be online. Heck maybe you have good WiFi in your area.
>
>How ya do dat?

Because I'm on vacation.  Any other day I go in at 4am and I get home 
when I'm done which could be noon, 1pm, 3pm, who knows.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 11:45:02 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:45:02 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>

Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
cassette recorder)


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From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Tue Feb 10 11:48:27 2009
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:48:27 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <20090210.114827.868.0.JohnChasteen.2@Juno.com>

Since I am 80 yrs old that makes the average 70.

John 


On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:45:02 -0500 "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
writes:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, 
> and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby 
> basic" and a
> cassette recorder)
> 
> 
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 11:52:09 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:52:09 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <20090210.114827.868.0.JohnChasteen.2@Juno.com>
References: <20090210.114827.868.0.JohnChasteen.2@Juno.com>
Message-ID: <00d801c98b9f$e9ce92a0$bd6bb7e0$@rr.com>

My compliments, sir

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John T Chasteen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:48 AM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
> 
> Since I am 80 yrs 



From jorge_machin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 10 11:55:06 2009
From: jorge_machin at hotmail.com (Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:55:06 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <20090210.114827.868.0.JohnChasteen.2@Juno.com>
References: <20090210.114827.868.0.JohnChasteen.2@Juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-W28E492976A8B5720CEFC2FE5BD0@phx.gbl>


I'm 38 yrs old, that makes the average 59.3 :)

> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:48:27 -0500
> From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
> 
> Since I am 80 yrs old that makes the average 70.
> 
> John 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:45:02 -0500 "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
> writes:
> > Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, 
> > and
> > had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby 
> > basic" and a
> > cassette recorder)
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________
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> > 
> > 
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From carlos.bragatto at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 12:05:25 2009
From: carlos.bragatto at gmail.com (Carlos Bragatto)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:05:25 -0200
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-W28E492976A8B5720CEFC2FE5BD0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090210.114827.868.0.JohnChasteen.2@Juno.com>
	<BAY124-W28E492976A8B5720CEFC2FE5BD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <16bae8870902100905w78ad303are38c2d486d252e9c@mail.gmail.com>

32 years old here, never had a CoCo, have been thinking about getting one
for ages.
Carlos/Brazil

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra <
jorge_machin at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'm 38 yrs old, that makes the average 59.3 :)
>
> > To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:48:27 -0500
> > From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
> >
> > Since I am 80 yrs old that makes the average 70.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:45:02 -0500 "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
> > writes:
> > > Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60,
> > > and
> > > had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby
> > > basic" and a
> > > cassette recorder)
> > >
> > >
> > > ______________________________________
> > > *Square One Christian BBS
> > > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
> > > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
> > >
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> > > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
> > >
> > >
> >
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From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Feb 10 12:06:10 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:06:10 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60902100906ofb128fdt58e3c49240b1ea11@mail.gmail.com>

I have been following the CoCoNet discussions and reviewing coco3.com, at
this point I am still a little confused as to whether or not CoCoNet will
work on a CoCo 1, and if the serial ROM paks you are considering will also
work on a CoCo 1.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:

> At 05:45 PM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has the
>> side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....
>>
>> Read on...
>>
>> The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace itself with
>> an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not CoCoNet, it starts up
>> like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live ROM Pak.  From your PC you tell
>> the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - CoCoNet, a game pak, utility pak,
>> embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, the cartridge's EPROM already contains a
>> version of CoCoNet that continues to boot.
>>
>> This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I can't wait
>> to see all this go wireless.
>>
>> Wireless virtual disks
>> Wireless ROM Paks
>> Wireless HTTP requests
>>
>
>
>
> Today I did more work and testing with the Live ROM Pak.  This is pure
> magic.  The CoCoNet Pak (both bitbanger and bluetooth) both will serve many
> purposes even as simple as the system is.  Technically the self-replacing
> ROM doesn't have to have anything other than the replacement routine, but
> that would require the PC to serve up either CoCoNet or a game, etc.
>  Instead, CoCoNet + the updater are on the EPROM in case nothing is served
> from the PC as an update or replacement ROM.
>
> All you see when you turn the CoCo on is a few seconds of delay while
> CoCoNet figures out if it can update itself with a game or another copy of
> CoCoNet, and then you get either the Disk BASIC 1.1 boot screen, or a game
> firing up.  It's practically transparent.  No need to mail out updated
> EPROMs.  The users can just download the latest client ROM and nothing has
> to be done from the CoCo at all.
>
> Now you can develop game paks or even DOSes from the Rainbow IDE (click
> Build, the .rom appears in your Files folder), turn on your CoCo and it
> automatically runs the ROM as if a ROM Pak is inserted.  This is live code
> testing at its best, or just a way to run hundreds of game paks without
> owning the real thing.  It's almost the same as an ROM/EPROM emulator.  The
> only thing I haven't tested yet is a wireless connection and that's because
> those boards aren't here yet.
>
> What I'm doing now is through a simple EPROM Pak and a bitbanger cable.
>  This is by far the most "amazifying" piece of software I've probably
> created yet, yet it's the simplest compared to my other systems.
>
> There's no hardware gadgets or tricks to any of this other than the ROM Pak
> containing a custom patched Disk BASIC 1.1 that can replace itself on
> powerup.  So far this only works on a CoCo 3.  In order to work on a CoCo 1
> or 2 it has to be 64K and I need to put the all-RAM routine in somewhere.
>  However, this will kill the 115200 bps mode since a CoCo 2 can't run at
> double speed while in all-RAM mode.  You'll still get 57600 bps which is
> actually pretty fast.
>
> What I propose now is that CoCoNet have Virtual Memory access by using the
> PC's resources yet again to give the CoCo more power.  If all of this can be
> possible from a cheap ROM Pak, why try to invent some huge expensive
> cartridge that nobody can afford?  Is software the solution?  It can be.  So
> far, I've ditched the floppy drives and ROM Paks, and when the bluetooth pak
> is done, there goes the idea of a needing an MPI for a Deluxe RS-232 Pak
> slot.
>
> I should really call this thing the Mystery Box and put no label on the
> cartridge.  Or perhaps, the All-in-One Pak.  :)
>
> A few copies of this little ROM Pak should be available by this weekend to
> the testers chosen to play around for a while before I release the final
> gizmo.  The programs I work on as demos will be, again... Live, to the
> testers who will just mount my updated floppy disk by pointing to a URL on
> the web.  The virtual disk is then accessible from their CoCo.
>
> Anything else I mention is probably giving too much secret and mystery
> away, so I'll get back to the drawing board and get this thing finished
> already.
>
> Roger Taylor
>
>
> --
> Roger Taylor
>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
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>



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From t.fadden at cox.net  Tue Feb 10 12:09:50 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:09:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <4694698.58840.1234285790858.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1>

Hi,

I'm 57, got a coco2 in about 1984? 3 coco3's left.

Tim


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM , Bill wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, 
> and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" 
> and a
> cassette recorder)
>
>
> ______________________________________
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> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
>
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>
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From sklammer at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 12:12:39 2009
From: sklammer at gmail.com (Shain Klammer)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:12:39 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <4694698.58840.1234285790858.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1>
References: <4694698.58840.1234285790858.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <3925f0b0902100912l2476aeaas137205ceaeb6a927@mail.gmail.com>

I'm 47 and also started with that first grey 4K Coco (when it was "brand
new")... average is now 62.8 :)

2009/2/10 <t.fadden at cox.net>

> Hi,
>
> I'm 57, got a coco2 in about 1984? 3 coco3's left.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM , Bill wrote:
>
>  Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
>> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and
>> a
>> cassette recorder)
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________
>> *Square One Christian BBS
>> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
>> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
>>
>> A Taste of CoCo Forum
>> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
>>
>> Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
>> Host name or IP: www.sq1bbs.com
>> Port: 3784
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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>


From mdelyea at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 12:22:36 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:22:36 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <3925f0b0902100912l2476aeaas137205ceaeb6a927@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4694698.58840.1234285790858.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1>
	<3925f0b0902100912l2476aeaas137205ceaeb6a927@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80902100922w117d3f4dnadfe17e85a0890fe@mail.gmail.com>

51 years old - started with a coco2 and cassette

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Shain Klammer <sklammer at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm 47 and also started with that first grey 4K Coco (when it was "brand
> new")... average is now 62.8 :)
>
> 2009/2/10 <t.fadden at cox.net>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm 57, got a coco2 in about 1984? 3 coco3's left.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM , Bill wrote:
>>
>>  Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
>>> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and
>>> a
>>> cassette recorder)
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________
>>> *Square One Christian BBS
>>> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
>>> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
>>>
>>> A Taste of CoCo Forum
>>> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
>>>
>>> Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
>>> Host name or IP: www.sq1bbs.com
>>> Port: 3784
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>
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>


From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 12:32:35 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:32:35 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <1806abd60902100906ofb128fdt58e3c49240b1ea11@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<1806abd60902100906ofb128fdt58e3c49240b1ea11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090210173255.50AB520A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 11:06 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>I have been following the CoCoNet discussions and reviewing coco3.com, at
>this point I am still a little confused as to whether or not CoCoNet will
>work on a CoCo 1, and if the serial ROM paks you are considering will also
>work on a CoCo 1.


The bitbanger version of CoCoNet currently runs at one speed, a base 
speed of 57600 bps (115200 bps in ~2mhz mode), and won't work on a 
CoCo 1 due to (I think) a signal switching speed issue.  I'll have to 
put in a 38400 bps mode or leave the option to just get the wireless pak.

The wireless pak will work on a CoCo 1.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From rbihler at msn.com  Tue Feb 10 12:34:37 2009
From: rbihler at msn.com (RON BIHLER)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:34:37 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY118-W462EBD26CD05B404A6C6A6AFBD0@phx.gbl>


47, Started with a Grey 4K Coco when they first came out.  That equipment is long gone, but do currently run a 3 with IDE HD, MPI  and Floppies.  
 
Ron> From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> To: Coco at maltedmedia.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:45:02 -0500> Subject: [Coco] Old techies> > Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a> cassette recorder)> > > ______________________________________> *Square One Christian BBS> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com> > A Taste of CoCo Forum> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php> > Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required> Host name or IP: www.sq1bbs.com> Port: 3784> > > > --> Coco mailing list> Coco at maltedmedia.com> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Feb 10 12:35:44 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:35:44 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090210173255.50AB520A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<1806abd60902100906ofb128fdt58e3c49240b1ea11@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090210173255.50AB520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60902100935n5b216982x5af8575256b4586e@mail.gmail.com>

Good to know, thanks.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:

> At 11:06 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>
>> I have been following the CoCoNet discussions and reviewing coco3.com, at
>> this point I am still a little confused as to whether or not CoCoNet will
>> work on a CoCo 1, and if the serial ROM paks you are considering will also
>> work on a CoCo 1.
>>
>
>
> The bitbanger version of CoCoNet currently runs at one speed, a base speed
> of 57600 bps (115200 bps in ~2mhz mode), and won't work on a CoCo 1 due to
> (I think) a signal switching speed issue.  I'll have to put in a 38400 bps
> mode or leave the option to just get the wireless pak.
>
> The wireless pak will work on a CoCo 1.
>
>
>
> --
> Roger Taylor
>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



-- 
Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies


From jcewy at swbell.net  Tue Feb 10 12:41:28 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:41:28 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4991BC48.8020806@swbell.net>

Bill wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)
>
>   
I'll pull the average down a smidge at 40 years old. 

Got the old grey CoCo w/ 4K, a cassette recorder, a pair of joysticks,
and a Quasar Commander cartridge in 1980, the summer after my 6th grade
year.  Still have it, though the original cassette recorder doesn't
work, the CoCo is no longer in original condition (lots of mods and has
had the chicklet keyboard replaced by a spare CoCo 3 keyboard), and the
handle snapped off one of the original joysticks.  I did recently find a
4K grey CoCo in very good condition at a computer surplus place, and
snatched it up for $5, so I could still put together a system like that
original one, 28 1/2 years ago.

JCE
> ______________________________________
> *Square One Christian BBS
> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
>
> A Taste of CoCo Forum
> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
>
> Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
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>
>
>
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 12:38:48 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:38:48 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo stuff needed
Message-ID: <00d901c98ba6$6ebf1ba0$4c3d52e0$@rr.com>

I was hoping to find some CoCo stuff myself to put together a small system
like I used to have. I cannot afford to pay for the parts, but I might be
able to help with shipping/handling.
Please reply privately (cwgordon at carolina.rr.com)
Thanks.
______________________________________
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Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com

A Taste of CoCo Forum
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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 12:23:57 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:23:57 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200902101223.57889.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 2/10/2009 7:07:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>mark at cloud9tech.com writes:
>
>Roger,
>
>We need to get you out more....."amazifying"  ?????
>
>:)
>
>Mark
>Cloud-9
>
>
>
>He has already sowed all his wild oats in his younger
>days so he doesn't need a social life anymore.   :)

He can't have run out, I haven't.  Only the delivery mechanism fails, mine cuz 
of the sugar.

>This is great work!

I agree.  When will we be able to place an order?

>Roy

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up.


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 12:43:36 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:43:36 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090210173255.50AB520A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<20090210054337.2B9A120A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<1806abd60902100906ofb128fdt58e3c49240b1ea11@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090210173255.50AB520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902100943r7a6f769eua3a9c308aa3c98cd@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/10/09, Roger Taylor  wrote:
> At 11:06 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>>I have been following the CoCoNet discussions and reviewing coco3.com, at
>>this point I am still a little confused as to whether or not CoCoNet will
>>work on a CoCo 1, and if the serial ROM paks you are considering will also
>>work on a CoCo 1.
>
>
> The bitbanger version of CoCoNet currently runs at one speed, a base
> speed of 57600 bps (115200 bps in ~2mhz mode), and won't work on a
> CoCo 1 due to (I think) a signal switching speed issue.  I'll have to
> put in a 38400 bps mode or leave the option to just get the wireless pak.
>
> The wireless pak will work on a CoCo 1.
>

--

The CoCo 1 uses a 741C opamp in the Data Out circuit of the bit banger
(for RS-232 level translation).  That opamp has a slew rate which is
too slow to handle transitions at 57600 bps. If  a compatible part
exists which operates at a higher speed then you could probably
retrofit a CoCo 1 to solve this problem.

Darren


From surtoutnombliepas at yahoo.ca  Tue Feb 10 12:44:57 2009
From: surtoutnombliepas at yahoo.ca (Sylvain Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:44:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Re :  Old techies
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <612572.54658.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I'm 35 years old and I got a Coco3 in 1987.

Sylvain




________________________________
De?: Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
? : CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <Coco at maltedmedia.com>
Envoy? le?: mardi 10 f?vrier 2009, 11 h 45 min 02 s
Objet : [Coco] Old techies

Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
cassette recorder)


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From cocomalt at 6809.org.uk  Tue Feb 10 12:56:14 2009
From: cocomalt at 6809.org.uk (Ciaran Anscomb)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:56:14 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Re : Old techies
In-Reply-To: <612572.54658.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<612572.54658.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8264.1234288574@torch.6809.org.uk>

Early 30s, 1983 - Dragon 64.

Just to pull the mean down even further :)

..ciaran
-- 
Ciaran Anscomb, Perl/C Hacker


From tlindner at macmess.org  Tue Feb 10 13:01:53 2009
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:01:53 -0800
Subject: [Coco] cocofuse not functional
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101120420.7810@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081116540.7810@duo>
	<5D576639-6AAF-46BD-8126-C77B463E6E10@tee-boy.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101120420.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <5b0704c10902101001t441b9c6amccb989e525719c16@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Boisy Pitre wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> cocofuse was written for a version of the FUSE file system that is
>> probably several revisions behind by now... at least.
>>
>> I would expect that a revisiting of the current version of FUSE is
>> necessary to insure that the old driver is in compliance with any changes,
>> not using deprecated functions, etc.
>
> While I could certainly battle my way through this, I'm curious if the
> author, Tim Lindner, is still active?  It would probably be a snap of the
> fingers for him vs. several hours of poring through documentation for me.

Actually Boisy was the author.

I added it to the CoCoTools Linux binary distribution because it
compiled and linked without error.

(That's me admitting I didn't test it)

The last time I saw it working was under Mac OS X using MacFUSE.
MacFUSE is a separate implementation of the FUSE API.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 12:37:43 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:37:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <3925f0b0902100702k32408e20t47f2f4fb5170c914@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
	<004401c98b8b$69d8a310$3d89e930$@com>
	<3925f0b0902100702k32408e20t47f2f4fb5170c914@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902101237.43187.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Shain Klammer wrote:
>I would tend to agree - I even appreciate the older definition of "hacker"
>
>:)
>
>I applaud the implementation of 'self-updating' - just curious, are you
>doing this by running the 'update' code from the PC "server", loading into
>Coco RAM space (and then running it) or onto some battery backed RAM on your
>cart?
>
>Ewww, 'virtual memory' - how about 'virtual devices'?  A prime example would
>be the redirection of the bit-banger for printer routines?  This could be
>problematic for apps outside of Disk BASIC's LPRINT, LLIST (unless Roger's
>cart traps/re-directs all Coco bit-banger I/O and have its' own on the
>cart?!?!); but, the PC "server" could translate DMP-105 and/or Epson
>EX/LX/MX escape sequences.  This might be useful even if it only handled
>straight text.

I am doing exactly that with this linux box Tom. 
From the bitbanger -> serial->usb adapter, usb repeater cable plugged into a 
hub here, a script watching /dev/ttyUSBwhatever it is, when the data quits 
coming in, wait a couple seconds, and feed it back out through the printer 
profile of choice using lpd.  This allows me to scale the coco's output down 
slightly in size to make the coco's idea of a page fit nicely on the printer 
with enforced borders as most ink squirters are.

I even posted some bash scripts here that could probably do that for anyone 
with bash & the usual ghostscript and friends (cups) installed.  So in my 
case, getting one of Rogers kits would probably destroy my ability to print 
from the coco.  But I'm still curious.

>Looking forward to owning one of these...
>
Me too.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
The attacker must vanquish; the defender need only survive.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 12:57:17 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57:17 -0500
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
In-Reply-To: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
References: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <200902101257.17309.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Boisy Pitre wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I have posted a document entitled "DriveWire Protocol Version 3.0
>Candidate Specification" on our website at http://www.cloud9tech.com/
>Click on the "Support" tab, then scroll all the way down to the bottom
>of the Support page, and you will find the link to this document at
>the lower right hand side. I am looking for feedback on this document,
>and especially interested in comments about the WireBug protocol,
>which defines a standard for remote debugging.
>
>My tentative plan is to release DriveWire 3 at next month's CoCoFest,
>along with some other great products at our Cloud-9 booth.  I hope to
>see many of you there.
>
The download mechanism is starting 2 sessions per file, Boisy.  The one with 
spaces in its name as displayed by the FireFox-3.0.6 download manager 
proceeds normally, the ones with the escaped %20 for spaces is hung and must 
be canceled, then removed.  I've NDI if that is a FF download manager problem 
or an html link problem, so if a quick look doesn't show any code errors, 
ignore it.  I hadn't noticed it before, but FF was updated to 3.0.6 just a 
couple days ago.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
BE ALOOF!  (There has been a recent population explosion of lerts.)


From jorge_machin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 10 13:21:57 2009
From: jorge_machin at hotmail.com (Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:21:57 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Re : Old techies
In-Reply-To: <8264.1234288574@torch.6809.org.uk>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<612572.54658.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 
	<8264.1234288574@torch.6809.org.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY124-W4120F68B36545DCA8D2729E5BD0@phx.gbl>


At this moment: 11 Old techies, mean: 47 years old

> From: cocomalt at 6809.org.uk
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:56:14 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re : Old techies
> 
> Early 30s, 1983 - Dragon 64.
> 
> Just to pull the mean down even further :)
> 
> ..ciaran
> -- 
> Ciaran Anscomb, Perl/C Hacker
> 
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

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From curtisboyle at sasktel.net  Tue Feb 10 13:28:40 2009
From: curtisboyle at sasktel.net (L. Curtis Boyle)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:28:40 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <op.uo5ex2bamuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:45:02 -0600, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic"  
> and a
> cassette recorder)
>
41.. got my first Coco (also a 4k grey, D board) in 1981.

-- 
L. Curtis Boyle


From tlindner at macmess.org  Tue Feb 10 13:29:10 2009
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:29:10 -0800
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
In-Reply-To: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
References: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <5b0704c10902101029w3eafc40cu6f2a4e5aa0b77c6e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Boisy Pitre <boisy at tee-boy.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have posted a document entitled "DriveWire Protocol Version 3.0 Candidate
> Specification" on our website at http://www.cloud9tech.com/  Click on the
> "Support" tab, then scroll all the way down to the bottom of the Support
> page, and you will find the link to this document at the lower right hand
> side. I am looking for feedback on this document, and especially interested
> in comments about the WireBug protocol, which defines a standard for remote
> debugging.

At the very end of the PDF:

> Note that WireBug uses an 8-byte checksum instead of a 16 bit one.

You mean 8 bit checksum, not 8-byte checksum, correct?

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org


From fwp at deepthought.com  Tue Feb 10 14:19:59 2009
From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:19:59 -0600
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
In-Reply-To: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
References: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <20090210191959.GE4165@warlock.deepthought.com>

I was hoping that I would be able to use drivewire v3 to allow my coco
to "print" to a file on my computer.

Frank


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 09:19:44AM -0600, Boisy Pitre wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have posted a document entitled "DriveWire Protocol Version 3.0  
> Candidate Specification" on our website at http://www.cloud9tech.com/   
> Click on the "Support" tab, then scroll all the way down to the bottom  
> of the Support page, and you will find the link to this document at the 
> lower right hand side. I am looking for feedback on this document, and 
> especially interested in comments about the WireBug protocol, which 
> defines a standard for remote debugging.
>
> My tentative plan is to release DriveWire 3 at next month's CoCoFest,  
> along with some other great products at our Cloud-9 booth.  I hope to  
> see many of you there.
>
> Regards,
> Boisy G. Pitre
> --
> Tee-Boy
> Mobile: 337.781.3570
> Email: boisy at tee-boy.com
> Web: http://www.tee-boy.com
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 12:42:01 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <361204784.6559611234282281934.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <361204784.6559611234282281934.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <200902101242.01859.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Mark Marlette wrote:
>Holy Cow! I wasn't aware, my kids at 20 and 24 and I am Grandpa already.
>
>Don't tell Go-Daddy.........

Gotcha beat Mark, I have one of my great grandchildren taking their drivers 
license tests this month.  Scary.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists?  In that case, I
definitely overpaid for my carpet.
		-- Woody Allen, "Without Feathers"


From os9dude at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 13:49:01 2009
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:49:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <AcmLnukkMJE69KMPTG2kIBrOcvL1Qg==>
	<00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580902101049n699f63c4y2c547f8ad39a4e36@mail.gmail.com>

41 years old here.

First CoCo? (a loaner F board) in 1982

First wholly owned?, an MC-10 with all the trimmings in 1985

First wholly owned CoCo?, a CoCo 3 in 1987

First wholly owned pre CoCo 3 CoCo?, the loaner of 1982, in mint condition
made its way back to me in 1992.


-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and
> a
> cassette recorder)


From chester6809 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:00:57 2009
From: chester6809 at gmail.com (Chester Patterson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:00:57 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Re : Old techies
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-W4120F68B36545DCA8D2729E5BD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A5AC632E799A44A3B797E6A389210BF6@chester>


49
1985 Coco2 64k/cassette

/Chester
Costa Rica
KJ4HLT



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 13:04:01 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:04:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Bill wrote:
>Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
>had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
>cassette recorder)
>
If you'd like to do the averaging, I'm 74.

Now if we can get the rest of us to admit we're either senior citizens are 
pretty close, this could be an interesting survey, speak up folks!  Even the 
youngsters, we drool in our oatmeal over new blood here you know.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
The only real advantage to punk music is that nobody can whistle it.


From fwp at deepthought.com  Tue Feb 10 14:49:37 2009
From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:49:37 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20090210194937.GF4165@warlock.deepthought.com>


While I'm a long way away from 74 I'm hardly "new blood"!! I'm currently 45
and the Coco 2 was the first computer I owned that was assembled and working out
of the box!!

Frank


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:04:01PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Bill wrote:
> >Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> >had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> >cassette recorder)
> >
> If you'd like to do the averaging, I'm 74.
> 
> Now if we can get the rest of us to admit we're either senior citizens are 
> pretty close, this could be an interesting survey, speak up folks!  Even the 
> youngsters, we drool in our oatmeal over new blood here you know.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers, Gene
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> The only real advantage to punk music is that nobody can whistle it.
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Tue Feb 10 14:17:32 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:17:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <84142712.6621161234293388792.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <1404137418.6621391234293452112.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Gene,

I'll give you that honor! :) Hard to believe my kids are as old as they are.

:)

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Heskett" <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42:01 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoNet status

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Mark Marlette wrote:
>Holy Cow! I wasn't aware, my kids at 20 and 24 and I am Grandpa already.
>
>Don't tell Go-Daddy.........

Gotcha beat Mark, I have one of my great grandchildren taking their drivers 
license tests this month.  Scary.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists?  In that case, I
definitely overpaid for my carpet.
		-- Woody Allen, "Without Feathers"

--
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Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:20:24 2009
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:20:24 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4991D378.3060605@embarqmail.com>

I'll admit to being 72.




From alsplace at pobox.com  Tue Feb 10 13:56:04 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:56:04 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <op.uo5ex2bamuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<op.uo5ex2bamuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>
Message-ID: <CBFBFCF6-A307-4D50-965D-5E817FF56CF5@pobox.com>

39. CoCo F board (I think? Maybe E? I still have it) with jumper wire  
64K in 1982z

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On Feb 10, 2009, at 12:28 PM, "L. Curtis Boyle"  
<curtisboyle at sasktel.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:45:02 -0600, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm  
>> 60, and
>> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby  
>> basic" and a
>> cassette recorder)
>>
> 41.. got my first Coco (also a 4k grey, D board) in 1981.
>
> -- 
> L. Curtis Boyle
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 14:29:49 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:29:49 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4991D5AD.5030600@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Bill wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)

Gonna be 40 in March, didn't get my first CoCo until about 5 years ago, 
but had a Dragon 32 since 1984, and a Sinclair ZX81 before that.

Cheers.

Phill.

-- 
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Feb 10 14:45:19 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:45:19 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60902101145x52393ecfxa972c27b56f8a556@mail.gmail.com>

Lets call me 36 since my birthday is next month.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and
> a
> cassette recorder)
>
>
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From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 14:55:09 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:55:09 +0000
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
In-Reply-To: <200902101257.17309.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
	<200902101257.17309.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4991DB9D.2000900@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> The download mechanism is starting 2 sessions per file, Boisy.  The
> one with spaces in its name as displayed by the FireFox-3.0.6
> download manager proceeds normally, the ones with the escaped %20 for
> spaces is hung and must be canceled, then removed.  I've NDI if that
> is a FF download manager problem or an html link problem, so if a
> quick look doesn't show any code errors, ignore it.  I hadn't noticed
> it before, but FF was updated to 3.0.6 just a couple days ago.

Worked fine for me on FF 3.0.6/Win32, opened it up in a window.

Cheers.

Phill.

-- 
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 10 15:00:43 2009
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:00:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <A8C8C536-BBA5-46B1-B8BD-01DB8401BC9B@earthlink.net>

OK, Gene.  A mere 61 here.  First CoCo 1985 (64K CC2).

On Feb 10, 2009, at Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 1:04 PM, Gene  
Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Bill wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm  
>> 60, and
>> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby  
>> basic" and a
>> cassette recorder)
>>
> If you'd like to do the averaging, I'm 74.
>
> Now if we can get the rest of us to admit we're either senior  
> citizens are
> pretty close, this could be an interesting survey, speak up folks!   
> Even the
> youngsters, we drool in our oatmeal over new blood here you know.
>
> -- 
> Cheers, Gene
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> The only real advantage to punk music is that nobody can whistle it.
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

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From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 15:00:45 2009
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:00:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <5631e580902101049n699f63c4y2c547f8ad39a4e36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <860675.97384.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Bill
<cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
 
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this
> group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine-
> 4k "baby basic" and
> a cassette recorder)
> 

49
1984 Coco 2, 64k, Korean made with built-in lowercase
Magnavox cassette recorder
12 inch Sharp black & white TV, tube filaments kept warm for "instant on"



      


From coconutcowboy2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 14:29:57 2009
From: coconutcowboy2002 at yahoo.com (coconutcowboy2002)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:29:57 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: cpu and memory upgrade
In-Reply-To: <gmnfom+fukc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmskjl+pbjf@eGroups.com>

I paid $25 usd for my coco3 new in box at an old radioshack in an old 
drug store last year.

I got a deluxe color computer mouse for $5 usd new in box along with 
a $10 computer casette recorder for the coco and the connecting cable 
for free in the deal at an old drug store that still had radio shack 
stuff.

also got standard joysticks and 10 games cartridges for $20 same 
place.

I am looking for Atari games licensed and prdouced for the coco as 
well as clone versions produced by radio shack under their name as 
well as original cassette software.

I also want a speech and music cartridge.

Does anyone make an adapter and case unit to run 3.5" floppies on the 
coco?

maybe we could get one made in the case with the vga converter.

then we could run OS9 on the coco easier

thanks
Sean Ross



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Tue Feb 10 15:26:40 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:26:40 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
Message-ID: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>

how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?

is there anyone left on the face of the planet you can buy new 360k
floppy discs or floppy drives from or it is all second hand stuff??





From devries.bob at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 15:35:24 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:35:24 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c98bbf$1c7c1c80$0701a8c0@master>

I'm 55, and I got my first *real* coco in 1982, although I did build one 
from scratch using the Motorola design in their Microprocessor Handbook.

My first Coco was a Coco2 with the Coco1 style case, but in white 
paint/plastic. It is still operational, and spends its days connected to my 
EPROM programmer.

--
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <Coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: [Coco] Old techies


> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and 
> a
> cassette recorder)
>
>
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From alsplace at pobox.com  Tue Feb 10 15:35:00 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:35:00 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0E4EDA09-C565-4EF1-9E96-5482E14EF209@pobox.com>

My plan is to eventually sit down and make disk images of every disk I  
have, probably by backing them up to HDB-DOS on the Compact Flash IDE  
adapter. Then I plan to image that on my Mac for safekeeping.

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On Feb 10, 2009, at 2:26 PM, stinger30au <stinger30au at yahoo.com.au>  
wrote:

> how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
> readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?
>
> is there anyone left on the face of the planet you can buy new 360k
> floppy discs or floppy drives from or it is all second hand stuff??
>
>
>
>
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
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From jorge_machin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 10 15:48:19 2009
From: jorge_machin at hotmail.com (Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:48:19 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-W34CF3031D400688403C07CE5BD0@phx.gbl>


At this moment, I counted 21 Old techies with an averarage age of 47.38

> From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com
> To: Coco at maltedmedia.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:45:02 -0500
> Subject: [Coco] Old techies
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)
> 
> 
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From snhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 15:49:28 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:49:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] cocofuse not functional
In-Reply-To: <5b0704c10902101001t441b9c6amccb989e525719c16@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081116540.7810@duo>
	<5D576639-6AAF-46BD-8126-C77B463E6E10@tee-boy.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101120420.7810@duo>
	<5b0704c10902101001t441b9c6amccb989e525719c16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101548250.7810@duo>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, tim lindner wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Boisy Pitre wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> cocofuse was written for a version of the FUSE file system that is
>>> probably several revisions behind by now... at least.
>>>
>>> I would expect that a revisiting of the current version of FUSE is
>>> necessary to insure that the old driver is in compliance with any changes,
>>> not using deprecated functions, etc.
>>
>> While I could certainly battle my way through this, I'm curious if the
>> author, Tim Lindner, is still active?  It would probably be a snap of the
>> fingers for him vs. several hours of poring through documentation for me.
>
> Actually Boisy was the author.
>
> I added it to the CoCoTools Linux binary distribution because it
> compiled and linked without error.
>
> (That's me admitting I didn't test it)
>
> The last time I saw it working was under Mac OS X using MacFUSE.
> MacFUSE is a separate implementation of the FUSE API.

Hmmm.

Boisy, did you ever have it working under Linux?

-- 


From boisy at tee-boy.com  Tue Feb 10 15:53:16 2009
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:53:16 -0600
Subject: [Coco] cocofuse not functional
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101548250.7810@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081116540.7810@duo>
	<5D576639-6AAF-46BD-8126-C77B463E6E10@tee-boy.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101120420.7810@duo>
	<5b0704c10902101001t441b9c6amccb989e525719c16@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101548250.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <33C0543E-D6AF-4E79-B9A0-D60FFEAB8240@tee-boy.com>

Steve,

> Hmmm.
>
> Boisy, did you ever have it working under Linux?

Yes, but it was some years back.  I haven't touched it in so long that  
I'm afraid I wouldn't remember where to begin.

As Tim said, I did work on a more recent version for MacFUSE but never  
released it because of some outstanding issues.

I can only give you encouragement at this point... if you get it  
working, you'll be a hero :)

Regards,
Boisy G. Pitre
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From snhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 15:54:14 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:54:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101550000.7810@duo>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Bill wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)

I'm 57.  Started hacking on Apple 2s in 1983, which eventually led to a 
career change into CompSci.  Started collecting class computer hardware 
with a vengeance several years ago and got my first CoCo last September.

Of all the 8-bit classic lists and groups I've belonged to or followed, 
this community comes the closest to the Apple II folks in terms of 
activity and the variety of software and hardware hacking still being 
done.  So far, it's been a lot of fun!

Steve


-- 


From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 15:54:32 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:54:32 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <200902101237.43187.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
	<004401c98b8b$69d8a310$3d89e930$@com>
	<3925f0b0902100702k32408e20t47f2f4fb5170c914@mail.gmail.com>
	<200902101237.43187.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20090210205448.AA8F320A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 11:37 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Shain Klammer wrote:
> >I would tend to agree - I even appreciate the older definition of "hacker"
> >
> >:)
> >
> >I applaud the implementation of 'self-updating' - just curious, are you
> >doing this by running the 'update' code from the PC "server", loading into
> >Coco RAM space (and then running it) or onto some battery backed RAM on your
> >cart?
> >
> >Ewww, 'virtual memory' - how about 'virtual devices'?  A prime example would
> >be the redirection of the bit-banger for printer routines?  This could be
> >problematic for apps outside of Disk BASIC's LPRINT, LLIST (unless Roger's
> >cart traps/re-directs all Coco bit-banger I/O and have its' own on the
> >cart?!?!); but, the PC "server" could translate DMP-105 and/or Epson
> >EX/LX/MX escape sequences.  This might be useful even if it only handled
> >straight text.
>
>I am doing exactly that with this linux box Tom.
> >From the bitbanger -> serial->usb adapter, usb repeater cable 
> plugged into a
>hub here, a script watching /dev/ttyUSBwhatever it is, when the data quits
>coming in, wait a couple seconds, and feed it back out through the printer
>profile of choice using lpd.  This allows me to scale the coco's output down
>slightly in size to make the coco's idea of a page fit nicely on the printer
>with enforced borders as most ink squirters are.
>
>I even posted some bash scripts here that could probably do that for anyone
>with bash & the usual ghostscript and friends (cups) installed.  So in my
>case, getting one of Rogers kits would probably destroy my ability to print
>from the coco.  But I'm still curious.
>
> >Looking forward to owning one of these...
> >
>Me too.
>
>--
>Cheers, Gene


Gene, I'll work on printing support this week.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 16:02:03 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:02:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
 cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101556170.7810@duo>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, stinger30au wrote:

> how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
> readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?

Seriously?  I have Apple II 5.25" and CP/M 8" diskettes that date from the 
late 70s.  Most still read.  The ones that don't experienced a chemical 
breakdown in the binding material.

> is there anyone left on the face of the planet you can buy new 360k
> floppy discs or floppy drives from or it is all second hand stuff??

I don't think you'd want to pay the prices for new 360k floppy drives. 
Anyone who has NOS on these is holding out for commercial buyers that need 
replacements for critical tools (older CNC machinery seems to be the 
favorite).  However, unlike their later 3.5" bretheren, they were largely 
built to last so I would not be too concerned about using a second-hand 
unit.

Here, these are available at Ham Fests and Flea Markets for $1-2 ea (if 
that much).  The 1/2 height units are what you want.

Diskette media is definitely available. Poke around on Google or eBay.

The quality of recent 3.5" drives is so exquisitely p*ss-poor that you 
might as well just take them out of the box and throw 'em into the scrap 
tub.  Just horrible.

Steve


-- 


From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com  Tue Feb 10 15:59:00 2009
From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:59:00 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <200902102102.n1AL2lLX024537@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>

60 next month. Can't recall my first Coco, but it was well after my 
early-1978 TRS-80, following which I got a KIM-1 and some Sinclair 
thing. Then the Coco, an grey one with the chicklet keyboard.

Dennis



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From brjeremy at juno.com  Tue Feb 10 16:10:08 2009
From: brjeremy at juno.com (brjeremy at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:10:08 GMT
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

55. Although as Allan noted at the Fest last year my serving as chaplain to 55 British Choir Boys in the UK made me seem 10 years younger, or it may have taken ten years off of my life :-) Even my littlest lads (the eight year olds) are very computer literate. Even the family that I roomed with, the Wilkes' littlest one Michael learned how to use Skype. I still remember, that they had to coax little nearly four old lad to the computer. I wish you could have heard him "No, I'm nah-a lowed. But when we coaxed him a bit further that historic moment occured when Michael looked in to the camera, saw his image on the screen and proclaimed in his first transatlantic, international, halfway around the world telephone call, and I quote "I've got Batman on me underpants." His eleven year old brother Cedric was mortified by that and proclaime, Michael, no one cares what you got on your blinking undies. To which Michael announced, "And Cedric's got Superman on his. Cedric looked directly into the camera and told me, "This is my life Brother Jeremy, this is what I have to put up with all the time. A quick "Thats enough of you Ceddie" from his dad put a stop to that. Then Michael announced that Cedric hated him. Even though quickly reminded that it was no in fact the case, Michael stated, "Oh yes he does, but over the years I've learne to live with it." I loved thwt. You've learned to live with it, youre four years old Michael
I can't help but wonder how different some of our lifes would have been if we had been able to have usage of computers at that age, which for me was 47 yers ago. That always gets a Gaw Brother Jeremy, you're as old as my granny you are. Now don't take this wrong and get any false notions among you, but as ones perspective changes the once old lady who was your grandmother and seemed so ancient at age 55 now is a pretty attractive youngish 50 something. Now after all, I am celibate, not blind, and I do note tht the Almighty does fine work.

I'm not at the monastery today so exact models are sketchie, but it first a CoCo 2. Next a COCO 3 upraded first to 512 k and then to 2 megs at just $80.00 per meg. I 20 meg and one 40 meg scsi hard drives running on a SCC2 by Disto. The dot matrix printer used an addon interface to give better speed. Does anyone remember spraying the ribbon with WD-40 to get more life out of it. My lads were used to ink-jets and lasers and when I demo'd that trick on an old dotmatrix printer they all ask, "brother, how'd ya knew you coulda do that." I would usually replie, "I'm a monk, we know these things."

Text based adventure games : "Pick up the book...." "Enter the room"...when way do you turn? England has gotten very interested in RETRO styles and other things. Some on my older really got interested in games such a Rescue on Fractalus. At first they thought that 8-bit graphics were so primitive but Miss Simmonton had then do an art project that helped them understand the concepts. We actually had them learn some simple game programming. I knew that we had achieved success for the lads had gravitated away from the X boxes, etc and were playing on a UK CoCo model.  

If you have never seen them before I will bring a collection of pre-production CoCo3 prototypes with unusual GIME chips which have been entruste to a strange monk who in the moonlight is seen wandering the british country side with a strange artidfacts looking for a special machine in which to plug them in, and are only removed from the confines of the Cloister for two eveneings for the few who can truly appreciate the legend presented before them. 

I'm looking forward to being at the Fest. I have a few more stories to relate about my Lads. One or two may even make it into the sermon once again on Sunday morning.

With all wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW

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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 16:02:05 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:02:05 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <1404137418.6621391234293452112.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <1404137418.6621391234293452112.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <200902101602.05839.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Mark Marlette wrote:
>Gene,
>
>I'll give you that honor! :) Hard to believe my kids are as old as they are.
>
Dunno if its an honor or not Mark.  I referenced the scary part cuz I can 
recall very well how I drove when I was that age.  My 1940 ford never went 
anyplace at less than 90 mph even over Iowas rolling hills and gravel county 
roads. Amazingly, I survived to tell my kids and grandkids that they should 
do as I say, not as I do. ;) I've had the lead weighted shoe syndrome all my 
life.  But the cost of gas is slowing me down these days, which is good, cuz 
so are my reflexes.

The trouble with kids is that they grow up, and then call home for bailout 
money when things get tight.  I guess that got included in the 'daddy' 
description so you have that to look forward to if it hasn't already 
happened. :-)

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If money can't buy happiness, I guess you'll just have to rent it.


From shadow at shadowgard.com  Tue Feb 10 16:17:01 2009
From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:17:01 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <49917E4D.30899.891D7004@shadow.shadowgard.com>

On 10 Feb 2009 at 20:26, stinger30au wrote:

> how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
> readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?

U think so, but I haven't checked recently. A lot depends on storage 
and on how often you've udsed the disk or drive.
 
> is there anyone left on the face of the planet you can buy new 360k
> floppy discs or floppy drives from or it is all second hand stuff??

You can still buy 8" floppies (or could last time I looked, which was 
a few years back) they just cost $50 for a box of 10. So I'm sure 
5.25" floppies are available. Too much legacy equipment.

Drives are apt to be a different story.




--
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 16:17:50 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:17:50 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmsqtu+lcqb@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" <stinger30au at ...>
wrote:
>
> how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
> readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?
> 
> is there anyone left on the face of the planet you can buy new 360k
> floppy discs or floppy drives from or it is all second hand stuff??

All old stock now AFAIK. There's a guy in Sydney, NSW who collects and
sells a lot of this stuff. I've seen him offer it on eBay.

Neil



From flexser at fiu.edu  Tue Feb 10 16:17:54 2009
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Art Flexser)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:17:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0902101615440.4803-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

Okay, if you insist, I'm 64.

"Will you still be sending me a valentine, birthday greeting, bottle of wine?"

Art

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Bill wrote:
> >Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> >had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> >cassette recorder)
> >
> If you'd like to do the averaging, I'm 74.
> 
> Now if we can get the rest of us to admit we're either senior citizens are 
> pretty close, this could be an interesting survey, speak up folks!  Even the 
> youngsters, we drool in our oatmeal over new blood here you know.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers, Gene
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> The only real advantage to punk music is that nobody can whistle it.
> 
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From benbleau at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 16:22:44 2009
From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:22:44 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4991F024.30505@gmail.com>

I'm 46. Got my first coco in 1982-83,  an E board 32k.

-Benoit

Bill wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)
>
>
>
>   



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 16:04:55 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:04:55 -0500
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
In-Reply-To: <4991DB9D.2000900@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>
	<200902101257.17309.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<4991DB9D.2000900@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200902101604.55763.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> The download mechanism is starting 2 sessions per file, Boisy.  The
>> one with spaces in its name as displayed by the FireFox-3.0.6
>> download manager proceeds normally, the ones with the escaped %20 for
>> spaces is hung and must be canceled, then removed.  I've NDI if that
>> is a FF download manager problem or an html link problem, so if a
>> quick look doesn't show any code errors, ignore it.  I hadn't noticed
>> it before, but FF was updated to 3.0.6 just a couple days ago.
>
>Worked fine for me on FF 3.0.6/Win32, opened it up in a window.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Phill.

I was saving to disk Phill, I started a tree called /opt/cocodocs a while back 
to save this stuff in and hopefully not cut so darned many trees.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Refreshed by a brief blackout, I got to my feet and went next door.
-- Martin Amis, _Money_


From Torsten at Dittel.info  Tue Feb 10 16:24:29 2009
From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:24:29 +0100
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
References: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <gmsra9$8sa$1@ger.gmane.org>

hmmm... I should really update this one, which seems to be >4 years old now:

http://dittel.biz/CoCo/cocoage.gif

Regards,
Torsten



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 16:13:11 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:13:11 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <20090210194937.GF4165@warlock.deepthought.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<20090210194937.GF4165@warlock.deepthought.com>
Message-ID: <200902101613.11039.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Frank Pittel wrote:
>While I'm a long way away from 74 I'm hardly "new blood"!! I'm currently 45
>and the Coco 2 was the first computer I owned that was assembled and working
> out of the box!!
>
>Frank
>
Chuckle.  The coco was the 3rd assembled computer I owned, but I built and 
programmed 3 machines, one even before the first timex 1000.

So my history is somewhat eclectic, doing the programming for the 1st three by 
looking up the nemonic for the command, and entering the hex code for it 
using the machines hex monitor.  When I finally got a coco, and os9, having 
an actual assembler was the equ of a heated mud hog heaven for me.

As for what machine has taught me more?  Its the coco, hands down.  Without 
that, I would not be the semi literate that I claim to be when in my cups.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
scribline, n.:
	The blank area on the back of credit cards where one's signature goes.
		-- "Sniglets", Rich Hall & Friends


From basilf at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 10 16:37:49 2009
From: basilf at shaw.ca (Basil Fitze)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:37:49 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <49917E4D.30899.891D7004@shadow.shadowgard.com>
Message-ID: <gmss3d+npae@eGroups.com>

Personally I installed a 3 1/2 drive and it works fine.  I hope to see
a SD reader to be installed inside. Right now you could almost put ALL
Coco software on a 4GB SD card if I knew how I would do it.  





From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 16:03:20 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:03:20 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090210205448.AA8F320A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
	<200902101237.43187.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<20090210205448.AA8F320A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <200902101603.20079.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Roger Taylor wrote:
>At 11:37 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>>On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Shain Klammer wrote:
>> >I would tend to agree - I even appreciate the older definition of
>> > "hacker"
>> >
>> >:)
>> >
>> >I applaud the implementation of 'self-updating' - just curious, are you
>> >doing this by running the 'update' code from the PC "server", loading
>> > into Coco RAM space (and then running it) or onto some battery backed
>> > RAM on your cart?
>> >
>> >Ewww, 'virtual memory' - how about 'virtual devices'?  A prime example
>> > would be the redirection of the bit-banger for printer routines?  This
>> > could be problematic for apps outside of Disk BASIC's LPRINT, LLIST
>> > (unless Roger's cart traps/re-directs all Coco bit-banger I/O and have
>> > its' own on the cart?!?!); but, the PC "server" could translate DMP-105
>> > and/or Epson EX/LX/MX escape sequences.  This might be useful even if it
>> > only handled straight text.
>>
>>I am doing exactly that with this linux box Tom.
>>
>> >From the bitbanger -> serial->usb adapter, usb repeater cable
>>
>> plugged into a
>>hub here, a script watching /dev/ttyUSBwhatever it is, when the data quits
>>coming in, wait a couple seconds, and feed it back out through the printer
>>profile of choice using lpd.  This allows me to scale the coco's output
>> down slightly in size to make the coco's idea of a page fit nicely on the
>> printer with enforced borders as most ink squirters are.
>>
>>I even posted some bash scripts here that could probably do that for anyone
>>with bash & the usual ghostscript and friends (cups) installed.  So in my
>>case, getting one of Rogers kits would probably destroy my ability to print
>>from the coco.  But I'm still curious.
>>
>> >Looking forward to owning one of these...
>>
>>Me too.
>>
>>--
>>Cheers, Gene
>
>Gene, I'll work on printing support this week.

Great!  All we need is a port to spit it out of, and my scripts on this box 
can handle the rest.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Refreshed by a brief blackout, I got to my feet and went next door.
-- Martin Amis, _Money_


From benbleau at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 16:49:30 2009
From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:49:30 -0500
Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3.0 Candidate Specification is now online
In-Reply-To: <4991DB9D.2000900@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <214652CF-C19D-40B9-9566-905A5519AB54@tee-boy.com>	<200902101257.17309.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<4991DB9D.2000900@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4991F66A.5030100@gmail.com>

Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> The download mechanism is starting 2 sessions per file, Boisy.  The
>> one with spaces in its name as displayed by the FireFox-3.0.6
>> download manager proceeds normally, the ones with the escaped %20 for
>> spaces is hung and must be canceled, then removed.  I've NDI if that
>> is a FF download manager problem or an html link problem, so if a
>> quick look doesn't show any code errors, ignore it.  I hadn't noticed
>> it before, but FF was updated to 3.0.6 just a couple days ago.
>
> Worked fine for me on FF 3.0.6/Win32, opened it up in a window.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Phill.
>
On my PC, Firefox 3.0.6 simply refused to start acrobat. I had to 
install a plugin ( PDF Download) to get it to do start the reader.

The Drivewire document on the other end is perfectly fine.

-Benoit


From benbleau at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 16:51:36 2009
From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:51:36 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
 cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmss3d+npae@eGroups.com>
References: <gmss3d+npae@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4991F6E8.7000204@gmail.com>

Basil Fitze wrote:
> Personally I installed a 3 1/2 drive and it works fine.  I hope to see
> a SD reader to be installed inside. Right now you could almost put ALL
> Coco software on a 4GB SD card if I knew how I would do it.  
>
>   

I'm doing that with Cloud9 's superIDE. I bought a SD to compact flash 
adapter from Mark, and use an SD card in it.
Works like a charm

-Benoit


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Feb 10 16:49:56 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:49:56 -0600
Subject: [Coco] OT: GIMIX Update
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80902061500h4addfd5en66b9d99404b443d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <716F5E58-4725-40F7-BF84-DE4B4495B6AB@pritchard.ca>
	<1806abd60902061019r33e9aeffv291d68aae39e754a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1b52e6c80902061500h4addfd5en66b9d99404b443d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60902101349r4815b3dev6ff6130cfde7dd74@mail.gmail.com>

No nothing clearer currently.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, mike delyea <mdelyea at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you have any clearer pics of the screen?  I like to see these old
> machines in operation.
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>
> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > So my Mobile Me account expired and the photo gallery I had for the GIMIX
> > has been down for about 1 month.  I have republished the photos on my
> > personal web site, and some day I will be making some postings on my
> retro
> > computing website http://www.retrocomputing.ca.  In the mean time below
> is
> > the URL for the current site with the GIMIX photos.
> >
> >
> http://www.pritchard.ca/Ryans_web_page/Photos/Pages/Gimix_OS-9_Lvl_3.html
> >
> > Yeah, yeah, I know shameless web site plugs.  =:vP
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> So both GIMIX systems power up.
> >>
> >> One for sure boots from FDD.  Though it seems there may be a problem
> with
> >> the HDD boot, or boot diskettes that switch to the HDD.
> >>
> >> Anyway, you can see the new pictures of the screen shots.  Not the
> greatest
> >> but Y2K did affect the GIMIX systems as one picture will show.
> >>
> >> http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Ryan Pritchard
> >> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ryan Pritchard
> > Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



-- 
Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies


From benbleau at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 16:52:46 2009
From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:52:46 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
 cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <4991F6E8.7000204@gmail.com>
References: <gmss3d+npae@eGroups.com> <4991F6E8.7000204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4991F72E.3010604@gmail.com>

Benoit Bleau wrote:
> Basil Fitze wrote:
>> Personally I installed a 3 1/2 drive and it works fine.  I hope to see
>> a SD reader to be installed inside. Right now you could almost put ALL
>> Coco software on a 4GB SD card if I knew how I would do it. 
>>   
>
> I'm doing that with Cloud9 's superIDE. I bought a SD to compact flash 
> adapter from Mark, and use an SD card in it.
> Works like a charm
>
I hit send a little bit too soon. I'm using a 2gb SD card. Aren't the 
4gb cards SDHC?  Different format I think, not supported by all devices.

-Benoit


From jcewy at swbell.net  Tue Feb 10 16:58:11 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <gmsra9$8sa$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
	<gmsra9$8sa$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4991F873.8060609@swbell.net>

Hey, if you do update it, use Phantomgraph!  :)

JCE

Torsten Dittel wrote:
> hmmm... I should really update this one, which seems to be >4 years
> old now:
>
> http://dittel.biz/CoCo/cocoage.gif
>
> Regards,
> Torsten
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From jcewy at swbell.net  Tue Feb 10 17:03:54 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:03:54 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
 cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4991F9CA.8090402@swbell.net>

stinger30au wrote:
> how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
> readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?
>
>   
I have CoCo and Apple][ floppies from the early to mid '80s that are
still apparently fine.  Some that look terrible still work like a
charm.  I have gobs of second-hand CP/M disks.  Most of them work, but
there is a fair degree of failure there.  Don't know why those seem to
be in worse shape.  Could be brand issues or just that these particular
disks were used a lot.

Now 1.44M floppies from the early to mid '90s seem to fail me far more
frequently. 

JCE
> is there anyone left on the face of the planet you can buy new 360k
> floppy discs or floppy drives from or it is all second hand stuff??
>
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 17:13:23 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:13:23 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <00c101c98bcc$cb0e6fc0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

59
 My first coco was a 4K grey case just when they came out with the 16k 
model. I fought the cassette battle with other recorders until finally I 
have up an bought a CCR81 and it worked.
 Later, I studied the Motorola info and modified the CC to 64K. I worked for 
Motorola then in the Communications and Engineering section in Two Way Radio 
in Houston.
 It was fun stuff but, I didn't get serious with it until OS9 L2 and a 512K 
coco. Now I'm in HIGH COTTON!

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill"
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and 
> a
> cassette recorder)
>




From chester6809 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 17:13:34 2009
From: chester6809 at gmail.com (Chester Patterson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:13:34 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with
	workingcocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101556170.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <BA3BCC720D324F8CAAFB186157B64407@chester>


My 2 bits: Buy OLD laptops (tandy 1400 for example) and use those drives.
Gotta figure out the wiring though...

/Chester
Costa Rica


----------------
The quality of recent 3.5" drives is so exquisitely p*ss-poor that you
might as well just take them out of the box and throw 'em into the scrap
tub.  Just horrible.



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 17:26:17 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:26:17 -0600
Subject: [Coco]  360K 3.5 inch floppies... hmmm
Message-ID: <00d301c98bce$97ee9910$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

 I'm wondering if anyone knows a way to preserve the integrity of the media 
on these difficult to find discs.
 I keep my unused and unformatted stuff in the dark, humiditiy and 
temperature controlled environment(My Darkroom).

 Is there a known way to preserve these things any better? Maybe drop them 
in liquid Nitrogen and keep them there until ready to use? hehe

 Really, what is the best method of making sure the magnetic media doesn't 
fall off the darned thing or, whatever goes wrong over the years.

George





From skwirl42 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 17:41:15 2009
From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:41:15 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0902101615440.4803-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
References: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<Pine.SOL.4.21.0902101615440.4803-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
Message-ID: <4c56cbd30902101441i5ae8ac39k87c734b815f209a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm turning 31 next month. My first CoCo was either a 1 or a 2, but
since my parents don't remember, and I was too young, I'm not sure
which. My exploits on it involved Canyon Climber and before that
jabbing meaninglessly at the keyboard.

Then it was a CoCo 3, probably from '87, since that's the GIME version
it has, and I definitely had it in '88, since I was starting to
program it. Still got it, although it now has 512K, a Disto SCII
controller, MPI, SS pak, AT keyboard adaptor (thanks Mark!) and it's
currently at my parents' place.

I'd love it here, but there's no room in this small house, which is a
shame, cause I'd like to try out some of this new stuff.

-- 
James Dessart
<http://skwirl.com/cody/>


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 18:02:24 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:02:24 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
References: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net><Pine.SOL.4.21.0902101615440.4803-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<4c56cbd30902101441i5ae8ac39k87c734b815f209a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c98bd3$a40410e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Dessart"

> I'm turning 31 next month. My first CoCo was either a 1 or a 2, but
> since my parents don't remember, and I was too young, I'm not sure
> which. My exploits on it involved Canyon Climber and before that
> jabbing meaninglessly at the keyboard.
>
> Then it was a CoCo 3, probably from '87, since that's the GIME version
> it has, and I definitely had it in '88, since I was starting to
> program it. Still got it, although it now has 512K, a Disto SCII
> controller, MPI, SS pak, AT keyboard adaptor (thanks Mark!) and it's
> currently at my parents' place.
>
> I'd love it here, but there's no room in this small house, which is a
> shame, cause I'd like to try out some of this new stuff.
>
James,

 Where there's a will, there's a way.

 I betcha my house is smaller than yours..... a 12X45 redneck trailer house.
 I have two cocos and two PCs active in this place.
 I have a darkroom in which I can make prints from a 4X5 negative up to 4.5 
feet wide and 3.5 feet high.
 My living room has a sofa, an arm chair a 27" TV,  and a decent sound 
system..
 HEHE! My kitchen is small, but how much room do you need to cook a meal? 
Bedroom is small too. How much room to sleep?

 Of course, I remodeled the whole danged interior for this scenario..

  Where there's a will....


   There are no problems, only challenges.

  Make that coco happen!!!


  I gotta tell all, this thread has bee FUN! I love it!


George
 



From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Tue Feb 10 18:12:00 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:12:00 +1100
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <499209C0.8080906@iinet.net.au>

Bill wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)

Just turned 43.

The grey Coco (1) with the chiclet keyboard was the first computer I "owned" 
- my father bought it for me, no doubt so he could actually use his Model I. 
Somewhere between its heyday and the time I got into retro computing, my 
father gave it away to a more "needy" home. By then it had a half decent 
keyboard, 64KB RAM and a floppy disk controller. I did find a CocoMax 
cartridge a few years back in the roof of my parents' home.

Adopted a Coco 3 more recently with Tandy floppy controller and invested in 
the Cloud 9 512KB upgrade - mostly so I could see Donkey Kong running on 
real hardware! ;)

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 18:31:09 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:31:09 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <200902101603.20079.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <bc4.408f7fb8.36c2d227@aol.com>
	<200902101237.43187.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<20090210205448.AA8F320A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<200902101603.20079.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20090210233125.E966D20A14@qs281.pair.com>

At 03:03 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote:

> >Gene, I'll work on printing support this week.
>
>Great!  All we need is a port to spit it out of, and my scripts on this box
>can handle the rest.
>
>--
>Cheers, Gene

CoCoNet will have to use a printer channel over the bitbanger cable 
and bluetooth signal (when that's done) in order for the server 
running on the PC to know what's what.  In fact, these virtual ports 
will be part of the networking scheme I'll build upon over time.

CoCoNet also fixes the Printer Junk problem when a particular game is 
playing that has unfiltered/unmasked 6-bit music or sounds.  The 
CoCoNet server on the PC won't see any junk.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 18:34:39 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:34:39 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <49920F0F.4090702@gmail.com>

53 years old

Alan Jones

-- 
N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home



Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Bill wrote:
>   
>> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
>> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
>> cassette recorder)
>>
>>     
> If you'd like to do the averaging, I'm 74.
>
> Now if we can get the rest of us to admit we're either senior citizens are 
> pretty close, this could be an interesting survey, speak up folks!  Even the 
> youngsters, we drool in our oatmeal over new blood here you know.
>
>   


From spam_proof at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 18:11:15 2009
From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:11:15 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <A587885C-7C23-42E1-BD81-87BD5BC3C6A4@verizon.net>


Say, didn't someone make a graph of the ages of coco users?  I  
distinctly remember the coco map, but thought I'd seen an age chart as  
well.

If not, I'm 40.

First computer:  a still operational "F" board.  1982



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Tue Feb 10 18:40:47 2009
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:40:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <475049743.5127131234309007620.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <306426794.5129091234309247262.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

----- "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <Coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:45:02 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [Coco] Old techies
>
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60,
> and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic"
> and a
> cassette recorder)

I'll be 54 in May.  Started with the TRS-80 Mod One when I was fresh out of the USAF in '78 (23 years old, all my best learning curve already gone).  Joined the Shack as an RSCC instructor in 11/80 and met the Color Computer.  Love at first sight, though it was well over a year before I actually bought one.  (Other financial priorities, including the end of one marriage and the beginning of another).  And I'll admit that since the late '80s the Color Computer hasn't been my top priority (especially this time of year -- it's cold down in the basement), since while working for the Shack, I got into Unix (they started shipping Xenix for the 68000-based Model 16 in 1/83) and that has since moved me into Linux (Geez, is it 15 years already?  Nope, next month it'll be 16 years since I first installed SLS Linux from a cube of 5.25" floppies).  With a stop in between involved with the 68010-based AT&T Unix PC (also in the basement).  Along a bunch of other Radio Shack computers and the Compaq Portable I eventually hope to use for my CoCo3 repack (unless I geek out and use the Kaypro-16).
-- 
Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd at comcast.net

<home.comcast.net/~wdg3rd>
The Bible says (in Palms 90:10) that "The days of our years are threescore years and ten", yet Xtians frequently defy G-d's will and continue to preach rather than commit suicide on their 70th birthday.  Yeah, the Psalm says you're allowed to live to eighty, but you're going to suffer if you do that, so you might as well just kill yourself.  Suicide is not a sin in the Old Testament, and I can't find the spot in the New Testament that changes the status.  (This blasphemy is an original from me [wdg3rd], the sort of thing I strive for).




From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 18:45:12 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:45:12 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<499209C0.8080906@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <AD94929820194670BB78E55D9588E983@speedy>

Well, I'll chime in.



I'll be 55 next month.  I got my first 16 k E board CoCo One in February of 
1983; I've got the sales slip somewhere too.  It was not until 1998 that I 
got a Win-Tel box, internet access and E-mail.



From n6il at ocs.net  Tue Feb 10 18:54:59 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:54:59 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <DD912CBA-25DF-4DB7-9589-098A60FACD98@ocs.net>


On Feb 10, 2009, at 12:26 PM, stinger30au wrote:

> how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
> readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?


Around 2 years ago I went to all the surplus electronics stores here  
in the Silicon Valley area hunting 5.25" 360K drives.  I found a few,  
took them home, cleaned the heads and lubed the drive mechanisms.   
After doing this I ran a few test floppies from my later original coco  
using days (around 1990) until I found a HP drive that worked well.   
As soon as I did that I went and read every coco floppy I could find.   
This goes back through the 80's back to around 1983 or so.  I was able  
to create images of some of the very first floppy disks created on the  
then brand new Coco.  These disks have been in original plastic disk  
storage boxes from day one, and not always in cool dark places  
either.  I can now read and laugh at my 2nd grade report on Birds, and  
my 4th grade report on California Missions, all input using Color  
Scripsit:


All About Mission Santa Clara de Asis

     by Michael Furman
        Grade 4
        April 30, 1987
        Mrs. Lim

        C 1987 Furman Press Inc.,
        Sunnyvale, California
        No part of this report
        may be copyed in any
        way.
^@^@    Table  of  Contents

    contents              page
1. Report.................1

2. Illustrations..........5

3. Bibliograghy...........7
^@^@    My report is about Mission
Santa Clara de Asis. I will tell
you who founded it, when it was
founded, where it is, why, its
history, and why it is famous.

     It was founded on January 12, 1777
by Father Tomas de la Pena.
     Mission Santa Clara was near the
Guadalupe River. Now it is at Santa Clara
University. It is about fourty miles from
Mission Dolores in San Fransisco.

     Two missions needed to be built in the
'San Fransisco' area. Mission Dolores, the
first, founded in 1776, was ready to build
Santa Clara but couldn't because of problems
with the indians at San Luis Obispo which
caused a two month delay.

     When the delay was over on January 5,1777
some priests and soldiers left San Fransisco
to the site chosen by Juan Bautista de Anza.
the site chosen was on the bank of the
Guadalupe River. On January 12, they put up
a cross and an arbor to be a temporary church.
                                                                        
pg 1
^@^@    Six indians from Baja California
cut logs and poles for building. Father
Jose Antonio Marguia came from Monterey
with church goods and supplies.

     The missionaries had a church and
dwellings, two corrals, a bridge, a dam,
and irrigation ditches by the end of the year.
     On November 7,1777, Lt. Jose
Joaquin Morga brought nine soldiers and
five colonists and their families from
San Fransisco to start the pueblo of San Jose
just like when he brought the missionaries to
the mission. San Jose was the first town in
California.
                                                                        
pg 2
^@^@    The Santa Clara mission was rebult
four times.

     The first mission was distroyed by
a flood on January 23, 1779. Then
rebuilt on higher ground.

     The second mission had some things
in the cornerstone, put there by Father Serra
on November 19,1781, which were dug up
130 years later. The second mission
was destroyed in 'The great California quake'
of 1812 which shattered it.

     When the quake of 1818 came,
the fathers were still repairing the
second mission. They rebult the mission
for the fourth time on the present site.

     The fourth mission crumbled and two
wooden churches built in its
place. These burned to ashes.

     The fifth and present mission is a
replica of the one before it.
It still stands, in Santa Clara University.
The present mission was built in 1926.
                                                                        
pg 3^@^@
I know two reasons why Mission Santa Clara
is famous.

     One  is because Santa Clara University
formed around the mission because in 1851 the
mission was changed from Francisan to Jesuit
(a teaching order).

     The other is that San Jose and
Santa Clara grew up around the mission.
                                                                        
pg 4
^@^@          Bibliography

1. Baxter, Don J., Missions of California
          San Fransisco, Pacific Gas and Electric, 1970

2. Kerell, Dorothy, The California Missions
          Menlo Park;Ca, Lane Publishing Co., 1979
                                                                        
pg 7



From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 18:56:18 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
References: <gmss3d+npae@eGroups.com> <4991F6E8.7000204@gmail.com>
	<4991F72E.3010604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5641BD2E205A4271AB92835D5822E188@speedy>


> I hit send a little bit too soon. I'm using a 2gb SD card. Aren't the
> 4gb cards SDHC?  Different format I think, not supported by all devices.
>
> -Benoit



If I understand correctly, the SD format was capable of 4 Gigabytes. 
However; most 4 gig SD cards seem to be SDHC which is not readable on a SD 
reader.  The new SDXC format will be capable of 2 terabytes, and of course 
will need new equipment to read and write to it.



Bruce W.



From chargeron at cox.net  Tue Feb 10 18:59:20 2009
From: chargeron at cox.net (chargeron at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:59:20 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
	<49917E4D.30899.891D7004@shadow.shadowgard.com>
Message-ID: <38B678B932094433A197FB6918AE2B84@celeron27>

try www.floppydisk,com
20 floppies for $20.00
Ron Delvaux
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: shadow at shadowgard.com 
  To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working cocos with floppy discs


  On 10 Feb 2009 at 20:26, stinger30au wrote:

  > how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
  > readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?

  U think so, but I haven't checked recently. A lot depends on storage 
  and on how often you've udsed the disk or drive.

  > is there anyone left on the face of the planet you can buy new 360k
  > floppy discs or floppy drives from or it is all second hand stuff??

  You can still buy 8" floppies (or could last time I looked, which was 
  a few years back) they just cost $50 for a box of 10. So I'm sure 
  5.25" floppies are available. Too much legacy equipment.

  Drives are apt to be a different story.

  --
  Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
  shadow at shadowgard dot com


  


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 19:13:28 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:13:28 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <AD94929820194670BB78E55D9588E983@speedy>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>	<499209C0.8080906@iinet.net.au>
	<AD94929820194670BB78E55D9588E983@speedy>
Message-ID: <010201c98bdd$911deaa0$b359bfe0$@rr.com>

Well, my count is 35 members who answered, and the average is 49.6 years.

That's great. I'm glad I'm neither the oldest nor the youngest. (Just the
dumbest!!-I've forgotten nearly everything I ever new, since I haven't had a
CoCo since 2002)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:45 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
> 
> Well, I'll chime in.
> 
> I'll be 55 next month.  I got my first 16 k E board CoCo One in February
of 1983



From n6il at ocs.net  Tue Feb 10 18:54:59 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:54:59 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <DD912CBA-25DF-4DB7-9589-098A60FACD98@ocs.net>


On Feb 10, 2009, at 12:26 PM, stinger30au wrote:

> how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
> readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?


Around 2 years ago I went to all the surplus electronics stores here  
in the Silicon Valley area hunting 5.25" 360K drives.  I found a few,  
took them home, cleaned the heads and lubed the drive mechanisms.   
After doing this I ran a few test floppies from my later original coco  
using days (around 1990) until I found a HP drive that worked well.   
As soon as I did that I went and read every coco floppy I could find.   
This goes back through the 80's back to around 1983 or so.  I was able  
to create images of some of the very first floppy disks created on the  
then brand new Coco.  These disks have been in original plastic disk  
storage boxes from day one, and not always in cool dark places  
either.  I can now read and laugh at my 2nd grade report on Birds, and  
my 4th grade report on California Missions, all input using Color  
Scripsit:


All About Mission Santa Clara de Asis

     by Michael Furman
        Grade 4
        April 30, 1987
        Mrs. Lim

        C 1987 Furman Press Inc.,
        Sunnyvale, California
        No part of this report
        may be copyed in any
        way.
^@^@    Table  of  Contents

    contents              page
1. Report.................1

2. Illustrations..........5

3. Bibliograghy...........7
^@^@    My report is about Mission
Santa Clara de Asis. I will tell
you who founded it, when it was
founded, where it is, why, its
history, and why it is famous.

     It was founded on January 12, 1777
by Father Tomas de la Pena.
     Mission Santa Clara was near the
Guadalupe River. Now it is at Santa Clara
University. It is about fourty miles from
Mission Dolores in San Fransisco.

     Two missions needed to be built in the
'San Fransisco' area. Mission Dolores, the
first, founded in 1776, was ready to build
Santa Clara but couldn't because of problems
with the indians at San Luis Obispo which
caused a two month delay.

     When the delay was over on January 5,1777
some priests and soldiers left San Fransisco
to the site chosen by Juan Bautista de Anza.
the site chosen was on the bank of the
Guadalupe River. On January 12, they put up
a cross and an arbor to be a temporary church.
                                                                        
pg 1
^@^@    Six indians from Baja California
cut logs and poles for building. Father
Jose Antonio Marguia came from Monterey
with church goods and supplies.

     The missionaries had a church and
dwellings, two corrals, a bridge, a dam,
and irrigation ditches by the end of the year.
     On November 7,1777, Lt. Jose
Joaquin Morga brought nine soldiers and
five colonists and their families from
San Fransisco to start the pueblo of San Jose
just like when he brought the missionaries to
the mission. San Jose was the first town in
California.
                                                                        
pg 2
^@^@    The Santa Clara mission was rebult
four times.

     The first mission was distroyed by
a flood on January 23, 1779. Then
rebuilt on higher ground.

     The second mission had some things
in the cornerstone, put there by Father Serra
on November 19,1781, which were dug up
130 years later. The second mission
was destroyed in 'The great California quake'
of 1812 which shattered it.

     When the quake of 1818 came,
the fathers were still repairing the
second mission. They rebult the mission
for the fourth time on the present site.

     The fourth mission crumbled and two
wooden churches built in its
place. These burned to ashes.

     The fifth and present mission is a
replica of the one before it.
It still stands, in Santa Clara University.
The present mission was built in 1926.
                                                                        
pg 3^@^@
I know two reasons why Mission Santa Clara
is famous.

     One  is because Santa Clara University
formed around the mission because in 1851 the
mission was changed from Francisan to Jesuit
(a teaching order).

     The other is that San Jose and
Santa Clara grew up around the mission.
                                                                        
pg 4
^@^@          Bibliography

1. Baxter, Don J., Missions of California
          San Fransisco, Pacific Gas and Electric, 1970

2. Kerell, Dorothy, The California Missions
          Menlo Park;Ca, Lane Publishing Co., 1979
                                                                        
pg 7



From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Feb 10 19:40:31 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <010201c98bdd$911deaa0$b359bfe0$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>	<499209C0.8080906@iinet.net.au>	<AD94929820194670BB78E55D9588E983@speedy>
	<010201c98bdd$911deaa0$b359bfe0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c98be1$58a2b350$09e819f0$@com>

Plus one more who is 45...

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:13 PM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies

Well, my count is 35 members who answered, and the average is 49.6 years.

That's great. I'm glad I'm neither the oldest nor the youngest. (Just the
dumbest!!-I've forgotten nearly everything I ever new, since I haven't had a
CoCo since 2002)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:45 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
> 
> Well, I'll chime in.
> 
> I'll be 55 next month.  I got my first 16 k E board CoCo One in February
of 1983


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From devries.bob at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 19:49:50 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:49:50 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>	<499209C0.8080906@iinet.net.au><AD94929820194670BB78E55D9588E983@speedy>
	<010201c98bdd$911deaa0$b359bfe0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <00fa01c98be2$a8beb4f0$0701a8c0@master>

Hmm, I dunno whether it's good or bad to be over the average age of this 
group.
Time'll tell.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies


> Well, my count is 35 members who answered, and the average is 49.6 years.
>
> That's great. I'm glad I'm neither the oldest nor the youngest. (Just the
> dumbest!!-I've forgotten nearly everything I ever new, since I haven't had 
> a
> CoCo since 2002)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:45 PM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
>>
>> Well, I'll chime in.
>>
>> I'll be 55 next month.  I got my first 16 k E board CoCo One in February
> of 1983
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
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From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Feb 10 19:53:09 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:53:09 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Sardis Technologies DMC "No-Halt" Floppy Controller
In-Reply-To: <000301c9896a$56b9b6c0$042d2440$@com>
References: <mailman.31.1224300322.6166.coco@maltedmedia.com>	<179327.60222.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000301c9896a$56b9b6c0$042d2440$@com>
Message-ID: <000001c98be3$1c66b560$55342020$@com>

"Sardis Technologies - DMC Floppy Disk Controller.zip" placed on
http://Excalibur1.net/coco  Hopefully it will get moved to the download
section soon or get it from the ftp site ftp://excalibur1.net .

Special thanks to Dean for touching up to documents.  He did a really great
job.

If anyone needs them emailed, just drop me a line and I will forward them to
you.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Seagrove
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:24 PM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sardis Technologies DMC "No-Halt" Floppy Controller

I have scanned the user manual and the schematics.  Can upload them
somewhere if it is OK with David.  I do not have the driver disks but do
have the driver manual (custom ver of SDISK) that can be scanned as well.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Barnes
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:50 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: [Coco] Sardis Technologies DMC "No-Halt" Floppy Controller

Hey everyone,

I e-Mailed David Wiens of Sardis Technologies (email below) and there is a
chance he may release the DMC Controller info to the community. I dunno what
we as a community can do to encourage this, but this could be some good news
if he does so.

Sardis Technologies still has a website, as he is still in business working
with Microcontroller Software and Hardware Design.


-Later!
?-WB-???    -- BABIC Computer Consulting.



> From: David C. Wiens <e-mail address removed>
> Subject: Re: "no halt" DMC floppy disk controller
> To: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 8:59 PM
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Thanks for your interest in the DMC floppy disk controller.
> 
> Yes, it was compatible with the CoCo 3 (and CoCo 2).  As a
> matter of 
> fact, I was inspired to design it when the CoCo 3 and OS-9
> Level II were 
> released.
> 
> No, unfortunately it is no longer available for sale, and
> hasn't been 
> for over 15 years.
> 
> Would I be willing to release the design to the CoCo
> community?  
> Probably.  But it might be several months before I have
> time to look for it.
> 
> Building one would require finding a 1773 floppy disk
> controller chip.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave Wiens
> Sardis Technologies
> 


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From alsplace at pobox.com  Tue Feb 10 19:55:33 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:55:33 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
References: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <92B514FD-C849-4C33-A854-4333491F5717@pobox.com>

On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:10 PM, brjeremy at juno.com wrote:
> "I've got Batman on me underpants."

A quote that's hard to forget! I wonder if he realizes it will lives  
on in stories well beyond the original encounter?

> I can't help but wonder how different some of our lifes would have  
> been if we had been able to have usage of computers at that age,  
> which for

Indeed... But I wonder -- what would you have done with them? If we  
had computers like today, would any of us have learned to program  
them? Or would we have all just been users, treating them like an  
appliance (no doubt, how much kids today would -- or video game  
machines).

We have younguns today that know their way around Windows quite well,  
but may never know how to do anything more than just customize a  
MySpace page when it comes to doing something other than just running  
a program.

> Text based adventure games : "Pick up the book...." "Enter the  
> room"...when way do you turn? England has gotten very interested in  
> RETRO styles and other things. Some on my older really got  
> interested in games such a Rescue on Fractalus. At first they  
> thought that 8-bit graphics

I noticed they had -- a few years ago -- the text Infocom  
"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" game (one of a handful that were  
ported to the CoCo) as an online version with pictures for each room,  
in the style of the 1980s BBC TV series.

		-- Allen



From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 19:58:29 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:58:29 -0600
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
Message-ID: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13@qs281.pair.com>

This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing 
these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut.  Everything 
seems ok but the name.

http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From carlos.bragatto at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 20:00:54 2009
From: carlos.bragatto at gmail.com (Carlos Bragatto)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:00:54 -0200
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <92B514FD-C849-4C33-A854-4333491F5717@pobox.com>
References: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
	<92B514FD-C849-4C33-A854-4333491F5717@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <16bae8870902101700w9cbed9ewb02586fbb06d61e8@mail.gmail.com>

You guys are being so inspirational to me, at the height of my nimble 32
years, I surely want to be an old nerd geek hacker at the age of 70, 80 like
some of you guys.
KUDOS for that, you guys rock ! You guys inspire me !

Thank you, thank you very much for that !

Carlos

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Allen Huffman <alsplace at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:10 PM, brjeremy at juno.com wrote:
>
>> "I've got Batman on me underpants."
>>
>
> A quote that's hard to forget! I wonder if he realizes it will lives on in
> stories well beyond the original encounter?
>
>  I can't help but wonder how different some of our lifes would have been if
>> we had been able to have usage of computers at that age, which for
>>
>
> Indeed... But I wonder -- what would you have done with them? If we had
> computers like today, would any of us have learned to program them? Or would
> we have all just been users, treating them like an appliance (no doubt, how
> much kids today would -- or video game machines).
>
> We have younguns today that know their way around Windows quite well, but
> may never know how to do anything more than just customize a MySpace page
> when it comes to doing something other than just running a program.
>
>  Text based adventure games : "Pick up the book...." "Enter the
>> room"...when way do you turn? England has gotten very interested in RETRO
>> styles and other things. Some on my older really got interested in games
>> such a Rescue on Fractalus. At first they thought that 8-bit graphics
>>
>
> I noticed they had -- a few years ago -- the text Infocom "Hitchhiker's
> Guide to the Galaxy" game (one of a handful that were ported to the CoCo) as
> an online version with pictures for each room, in the style of the 1980s BBC
> TV series.
>
>                -- Allen
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From alsplace at pobox.com  Tue Feb 10 20:01:01 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:01:01 -0600
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <585B8CCC-8820-4CD6-9EA7-77F712DDE521@pobox.com>

On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:
> This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing  
> these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut.  Everything  
> seems ok but the name.

Wow. So, uh, to avoid many of us writing him -- who wants to contact  
him and tell him it's never been called a Coconut?

--
18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! - March 28 & 29, 2009 - Elgin, IL http://www.GlensideCCC.com

Over 98,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests!
Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com

Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get  
credit!
http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en



From alsplace at pobox.com  Tue Feb 10 20:05:02 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:05:02 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <16bae8870902101700w9cbed9ewb02586fbb06d61e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
	<92B514FD-C849-4C33-A854-4333491F5717@pobox.com>
	<16bae8870902101700w9cbed9ewb02586fbb06d61e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2B23422-1930-43A5-98A2-3FFE3DA0051D@pobox.com>

On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Carlos Bragatto wrote:
> You guys are being so inspirational to me, at the height of my  
> nimble 32

So you would have been about three or four when the CoCo was first  
introduced? Wild. I dated a younger woman for awhile, and would pick  
on her saying I had a computer in my closet older than she was. ;-)  
Talk about making me feel old!

After the last CoCoFest, I got a bit depressed thinking back. In 1990,  
me and Terry Todd bummed a ride in the back of a pickup truck which  
drove 2 hours North from Houston to pick us up in Lufkin, Texas. We  
then rode to Atlanta, Georgia for the first Dave Myers/Atlanta  
Computer Society CoCoFest. I seem to recall at that first Fest, I  
wasn't 21 yet, and couldn't meet the "old folks" in the bar after hours.

I look back, and suddenly that's 18 years later. From my first CoCo to  
that CoCoFest was a mere eight years. Then five more before I moved to  
Iowa in 1995 -- so now at 13 years with the CoCo. Then I remember the  
whole "CoCo 2000" idea -- let's take the CoCo to its 20th  
Anniversary... Now it's almost a decade past that. Wow.

So to the rest of you guys out there... Seeing how I feel, you guys  
must REALLY feel old ;-)

I can't think of a nicer group of folks to grow up around!!!
--
18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! - March 28 & 29, 2009 - Elgin, IL http://www.GlensideCCC.com

Over 98,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests!
Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com

Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get  
credit!
http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en



From t.fadden at cox.net  Tue Feb 10 20:08:41 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:08:41 -0700
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <585B8CCC-8820-4CD6-9EA7-77F712DDE521@pobox.com>
References: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<585B8CCC-8820-4CD6-9EA7-77F712DDE521@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <49922519.3070304@cox.net>

Not me!  I only use OS9 not DECB! ha ha ha


Allen Huffman wrote:
> On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:
>> This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing 
>> these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut.  Everything 
>> seems ok but the name.
>
> Wow. So, uh, to avoid many of us writing him -- who wants to contact 
> him and tell him it's never been called a Coconut?
>
> -- 
> 18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! - March 28 & 29, 2009 - Elgin, IL 
> http://www.GlensideCCC.com
>
> Over 98,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests!
> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com
>
> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get 
> credit!
> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 
>
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>



From carlos.bragatto at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 20:15:33 2009
From: carlos.bragatto at gmail.com (Carlos Bragatto)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:15:33 -0200
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <E2B23422-1930-43A5-98A2-3FFE3DA0051D@pobox.com>
References: <20090210.151008.4408.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
	<92B514FD-C849-4C33-A854-4333491F5717@pobox.com>
	<16bae8870902101700w9cbed9ewb02586fbb06d61e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2B23422-1930-43A5-98A2-3FFE3DA0051D@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <16bae8870902101715r5dfa9749h2bed12c1380f2722@mail.gmail.com>

Allen, I was born in 76, got my first computer, a Microdigital TK85, a 16K
Sinclair ZX81 clone, in 85, then an Apple II plus clone (CCE Exato), then
the list goes on and on...
:-D

Remember that the first home computers appeared in Brazil only in 1981/82,
because of the "Market Reservation", a stupid law imposed by the military
dictatorship en vogue by that time here, to make the Brazilian home computer
industry florish and grow.

Yeah right. It only gave governmental support for pirating foreign computers
:-D At the time, it was said that we were 7 years behind americans regarding
home computers. You know, the Prologica CP400, clone of the Tandy CoCo 2 was
released in late 85...

Carlos

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Allen Huffman <alsplace at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Carlos Bragatto wrote:
>
>> You guys are being so inspirational to me, at the height of my nimble 32
>>
>
> So you would have been about three or four when the CoCo was first
> introduced? Wild. I dated a younger woman for awhile, and would pick on her
> saying I had a computer in my closet older than she was. ;-) Talk about
> making me feel old!
>
> After the last CoCoFest, I got a bit depressed thinking back. In 1990, me
> and Terry Todd bummed a ride in the back of a pickup truck which drove 2
> hours North from Houston to pick us up in Lufkin, Texas. We then rode to
> Atlanta, Georgia for the first Dave Myers/Atlanta Computer Society CoCoFest.
> I seem to recall at that first Fest, I wasn't 21 yet, and couldn't meet the
> "old folks" in the bar after hours.
>
> I look back, and suddenly that's 18 years later. From my first CoCo to that
> CoCoFest was a mere eight years. Then five more before I moved to Iowa in
> 1995 -- so now at 13 years with the CoCo. Then I remember the whole "CoCo
> 2000" idea -- let's take the CoCo to its 20th Anniversary... Now it's almost
> a decade past that. Wow.
>
> So to the rest of you guys out there... Seeing how I feel, you guys must
> REALLY feel old ;-)
>
> I can't think of a nicer group of folks to grow up around!!!
> --
> 18th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! - March 28 & 29, 2009 - Elgin, IL
> http://www.GlensideCCC.com
>
> Over 98,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests!
> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com
>
> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit!
>
> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From skwirl42 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 20:19:10 2009
From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:19:10 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00e201c98bd3$a40410e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<Pine.SOL.4.21.0902101615440.4803-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<4c56cbd30902101441i5ae8ac39k87c734b815f209a@mail.gmail.com>
	<00e201c98bd3$a40410e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <4c56cbd30902101719i658f9a2ek84ebbed4f70332d6@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/10/09, George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Where there's a will, there's a way.
>
>  I betcha my house is smaller than yours..... a 12X45 redneck trailer house.
>  I have two cocos and two PCs active in this place.
>  I have a darkroom in which I can make prints from a 4X5 negative up to 4.5
> feet wide and 3.5 feet high.
>  My living room has a sofa, an arm chair a 27" TV,  and a decent sound
> system..
>  HEHE! My kitchen is small, but how much room do you need to cook a meal?
> Bedroom is small too. How much room to sleep?

Hehehe... I have the issue of having a wife who likes having room for
things other than my computers. :) Our place is bigger (but not by too
much), but we need some of it available for guests.

-- 
James Dessart
<http://skwirl.com/cody/>


From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Tue Feb 10 20:32:13 2009
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:32:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22.1234310181.1676.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.22.1234310181.1676.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49922A9C.8020802@usfamily.net>

Hello,

I'm 37.

My first Coco was a 16k Coco2 I got for Christmas back in 1982 when I 
was 13. I have no desire to re-create my original system. I hated that 
darn tape recorded <grumble>.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT



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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 20:33:47 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:33:47 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30902101719i658f9a2ek84ebbed4f70332d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<Pine.SOL.4.21.0902101615440.4803-100000@solix.fiu.edu>	<4c56cbd30902101441i5ae8ac39k87c734b815f209a@mail.gmail.com>	<00e201c98bd3$a40410e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<4c56cbd30902101719i658f9a2ek84ebbed4f70332d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010c01c98be8$c8ffca50$5aff5ef0$@rr.com>

Well, I understand what you are saying. I've been trying to convince my wife
to turn the only spare bedroom into an office, get rid of the bed and
wardrobe, and we'd have more room for our (my) computers. Also, we wouldn't
have room for overnight guests (like kids, in-laws, etc):)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of James Dessart
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:19 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
> 
> Hehehe... I have the issue of having a wife who likes having room for
> things other than my computers. :) Our place is bigger (but not by too
> much), but we need some of it available for guests.
> 



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Tue Feb 10 20:33:50 2009
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:33:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <2017380410.5182291234315747832.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1507016001.5184131234316030272.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

At first look, I'd call it early middle-school quality, but it's also obvious that English is not the author's first language.  No information on the writer is there, as far as I can tell, unless the lousy rendition by IE is covering things (Firefox, no change except the ads).  From word usage, I'm guessing West African, but Babelfish and cousins can distort anything.  (But research micht have been a bit longer than a minute -- the article mentions Cloud9, which is not exactly a Forbes 500 operation, no matter how much we'd prefer it so).
-- 
Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd at comcast.net

<home.comcast.net/~wdg3rd>
(page has stale links and resume is not up to date as I'm employed at a dead end job with a health plan and if I quit for a short-lived high-pay consulting gig, La Esposa will make me homeless before the first check arrives)
----- "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com> wrote:

> From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
> To: "cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:58:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
>
> This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing 
> these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut.  Everything 
> seems ok but the name.
> 
> http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
> -- 
> Roger Taylor
> 
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


From ed.orbea at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 20:35:56 2009
From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:35:56 -0800
Subject: [Coco]  Old techies
References: 00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com
Message-ID: <49922B7C.5080809@gmail.com>

55. Started with a 16k Gray CoCo. Now with a CoCo3, 512k, Disto SCII, 
MPI, SSC, Drivewire 2.0, NitrOS9, 5.12 & 3.5 DSDD floppies, Roy's VGA 
converter, and looking forward to CoCoNet

Ed Orbea


From chawks at dls.net  Tue Feb 10 20:53:22 2009
From: chawks at dls.net (Christopher Hawks)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:53:22 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49922F92.5030803@dls.net>

Bill said the following on 02/10/2009 10:45 AM:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)

I'll raise the average a little...

56 first Coco in Nov. 1980 (still got it, still runs Dino-Wars ... )

-- 
Christopher R. Hawks
HAWKSoft
---------------------------------------------------------
Hey! It compiles! Ship It!


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 20:54:37 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:54:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
 cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <4991F9CA.8090402@swbell.net>
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com> <4991F9CA.8090402@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902102052230.7810@duo>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Joel Ewy wrote:

> I have CoCo and Apple][ floppies from the early to mid '80s that are
> still apparently fine.  Some that look terrible still work like a
> charm.  I have gobs of second-hand CP/M disks.  Most of them work, but
> there is a fair degree of failure there.  Don't know why those seem to
> be in worse shape.  Could be brand issues or just that these particular
> disks were used a lot.

It also could be that they were written on a drive with alignment and/or 
speed on the other end of the envelope from the one you tried years later. 
The Apple 2 GCR encoding seems to be less sensitive to this than dedicated 
FDC chips, probably because it's self-clocking to a large degree.


> Now 1.44M floppies from the early to mid '90s seem to fail me far more
> frequently.

Tell me about it.  The media is terrible and the hardware is terrible. 
I'm working hard to get anything important I own off of 3.5" disks.


-- 


From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Tue Feb 10 20:54:29 2009
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:54:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Coco]  names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net>

 > Message: 8
 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:58:29 -0600
 > From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
 > Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
 > To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
 > Message-ID: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
 >
 > This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing
 > these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut. Everything
 > seems ok but the name. http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
 > -- Roger Taylor
 >
 > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com

I have a suspicion that this page was translated into English from 
another language, most likely by one of those online automated 
translation tools. I know Google has such a tool. There's a pattern of 
grammatical errors that gives it away. Perhaps the translation tool 
found the term "Coco" in the original foreign text and erroneously 
translated it as "Coconut".

Just a theory :-)

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT



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From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Tue Feb 10 21:07:22 2009
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:07:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>

Fred D. Provoncha wrote:
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:58:29 -0600
> > From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> > Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> > To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Message-ID: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing
> > these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut. Everything
> > seems ok but the name. http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
> > -- Roger Taylor
> >
> > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
> I have a suspicion that this page was translated into English from 
> another language, most likely by one of those online automated 
> translation tools. I know Google has such a tool. There's a pattern of 
> grammatical errors that gives it away. Perhaps the translation tool 
> found the term "Coco" in the original foreign text and erroneously 
> translated it as "Coconut".
>
> Just a theory :-)
>
> Fred Provoncha
> Stansbury Park, UT
>
>
In fact, the more I look at this, the more I think the original text was 
probably in French.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT



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From badfrog at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 21:12:37 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:12:37 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <49922F92.5030803@dls.net>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com> <49922F92.5030803@dls.net>
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34.

Dad got a Timex-Sinclair 1000 back when I was 5, and I wasn't allowed
to touch it.  I had some computer magazine in 2nd grade or so, he said
he came home and found this awesome animated flag going on the screen
of his computer I wasn't allowed to touch, so he changed his mind. :)

Started with a CoCo 2 around 3rd grade, slowly got upgraded to disk
drives, then a coco 3, then a MPI, and and finally a full set up of
OS9LII with a hard disk about 1991.

Sold most of the hardware back in September.  Still have the CoCos
though.  The CoCoNet project might encourage me to keep those.

I have a few high-scores in the old Rainbow Scoreboard as well, for
Pitstop II and Pitfall II.


From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Feb 10 21:37:50 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:37:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net>
	<499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>

I believe you are correct.  My guess was a spell check (translation) which
changed CoCo to Coconut...

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:07 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo

Fred D. Provoncha wrote:
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:58:29 -0600
> > From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> > Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> > To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Message-ID: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing
> > these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut. Everything
> > seems ok but the name. http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
> > -- Roger Taylor
> >
> > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
> I have a suspicion that this page was translated into English from 
> another language, most likely by one of those online automated 
> translation tools. I know Google has such a tool. There's a pattern of 
> grammatical errors that gives it away. Perhaps the translation tool 
> found the term "Coco" in the original foreign text and erroneously 
> translated it as "Coconut".
>
> Just a theory :-)
>
> Fred Provoncha
> Stansbury Park, UT
>
>
In fact, the more I look at this, the more I think the original text was 
probably in French.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT



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From RJRTTY at aol.com  Tue Feb 10 21:53:02 2009
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:53:02 EST
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <c8e.339f08fc.36c3978e@aol.com>

I am 50.    Just another dirty old man now.
but I first encountered computers on an IBM 370
using fortran 77 and punch cards.
 
Then in 79 a friend of mine showed me his apple II+
with 48k !   We played a space shootem up game
while I drank beer and he smoked pot and listening
to pink floyds "dark side of the moon" album in the dark.
 
As soon as I could save up the money I bought a
coco1 "F" board  in 1982.  64K and drives came
later....
 
What a great ride its been.....
 
 
Roy
 
**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy 
Awards.  AOL Music takes you there. 
(http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002)


From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Feb 10 22:02:40 2009
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:02:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net>	<499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
	<000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
Message-ID: <000d01c98bf5$341660e0$9c4322a0$@com>

Worse, it doesn't even make any sense for the most part...  here is a good
line:

"Consequently, several plays and applications (including an operating system
of diskettes) were marketed in the shape of cartridges."

Forget the technical content, it is a comedy routine or something.  Gotta
love translation software.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Seagrove
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:38 PM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo

I believe you are correct.  My guess was a spell check (translation) which
changed CoCo to Coconut...

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:07 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo

Fred D. Provoncha wrote:
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:58:29 -0600
> > From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> > Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> > To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Message-ID: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing
> > these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut. Everything
> > seems ok but the name. http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
> > -- Roger Taylor
> >
> > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
> I have a suspicion that this page was translated into English from 
> another language, most likely by one of those online automated 
> translation tools. I know Google has such a tool. There's a pattern of 
> grammatical errors that gives it away. Perhaps the translation tool 
> found the term "Coco" in the original foreign text and erroneously 
> translated it as "Coconut".
>
> Just a theory :-)
>
> Fred Provoncha
> Stansbury Park, UT
>
>
In fact, the more I look at this, the more I think the original text was 
probably in French.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT



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From johnguin at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 10 22:05:23 2009
From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:05:23 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <c8e.339f08fc.36c3978e@aol.com>
References: <c8e.339f08fc.36c3978e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY138-DS14560465616D16186F508D9BA0@phx.gbl>

42 years old here.  Still have my original Coco 2 (and several others
accumulated over the years)...

John

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of RJRTTY at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:53 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies

I am 50.    Just another dirty old man now.
but I first encountered computers on an IBM 370
using fortran 77 and punch cards.
 
Then in 79 a friend of mine showed me his apple II+
with 48k !   We played a space shootem up game
while I drank beer and he smoked pot and listening
to pink floyds "dark side of the moon" album in the dark.
 
As soon as I could save up the money I bought a
coco1 "F" board  in 1982.  64K and drives came
later....
 
What a great ride its been.....
 
 
Roy
 
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Awards.  AOL Music takes you there. 
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From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Feb 10 22:13:25 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:13:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00fa01c98be2$a8beb4f0$0701a8c0@master>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>	<499209C0.8080906@iinet.net.au><AD94929820194670BB78E55D9588E983@speedy>
	<010201c98bdd$911deaa0$b359bfe0$@rr.com>
	<00fa01c98be2$a8beb4f0$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <A1EA7F11-CB01-4022-8349-3AAC01200F1C@pritchard.ca>

I say it's good to be on either side of this groups average age.  I am  
going to step out on a limb and say that most if not all the folks on  
the above average age side have a wealth of knowledge to bestow on the  
rest of us.  And the folks on the lower side of the average have the  
duty to to learn such knowledge and ensure that knowledge is passed on  
to the coming generations.

Lets keep this party going strong.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 10-Feb-09, at 6:49 PM, Bob Devries wrote:

> Hmm, I dunno whether it's good or bad to be over the average age of  
> this group.
> Time'll tell.
>
> --
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
>
>
>> Well, my count is 35 members who answered, and the average is 49.6  
>> years.
>>
>> That's great. I'm glad I'm neither the oldest nor the youngest.  
>> (Just the
>> dumbest!!-I've forgotten nearly everything I ever new, since I  
>> haven't had a
>> CoCo since 2002)
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:45 PM
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
>>>
>>> Well, I'll chime in.
>>>
>>> I'll be 55 next month.  I got my first 16 k E board CoCo One in  
>>> February
>> of 1983
>>
>>
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From davehazelton at comcast.net  Tue Feb 10 22:22:35 2009
From: davehazelton at comcast.net (David Hazelton)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:22:35 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4992447B.30104@comcast.net>

Bill wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)
>
>
>   
43,  got mine in '82  CoCo 1 "F" board IIRC. 16K Extended.  Cassette 
deck.  by '84 2 double sided floppies, composite screen, OS-9, VT100, 
Daisy Wheel Printer.

My mom nicknamed it "My Wife"...something my wife today still doesn't 
think of it humorously.

 




From keeper63 at cox.net  Tue Feb 10 22:58:15 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:58:15 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49924CD7.4090204@cox.net>

I'm a little late to this, but I am 35. I got my first machine back when 
I was 10 or 11 (I forget which - 1984 or 85), which was a CoCo 2 w/16k, 
a tape drive, and a couple of cartridges (Canyon Climber and Reactoid). 
I also got my first computer desk.

My parents bought it for me to have a "leg up" at school, IIRC. My 
elementary school had just got its Apple IIe "lab" (actually, it was 
pretty nice - Oregon Trail rocks!) - prior to that we had a single IIe 
rolled around on the cart, each teacher would get it for a couple of 
weeks. I played on it often, and I guess somehow my parents got wind 
(probably me beggin' and a parent-teacher meeting).

My dad set it up on his TV where he watched ball games (and we played 
Atari - still have that beast, too) - I remember us fumbling putting in 
the first programs from the BASIC manual, and messing up (we forgot to 
hit ENTER at the end of the lines, spacing over instead - doh!). When we 
got "our" first program to run, it hooked me. My dad and I would then 
take turns typing code in, but it quickly became apparent that I was 
racing ahead. They got me a TV for my room, and the rest is history.

I still have all of my CoCo gear from that time (except for a few 
cartridges - not sure what/where they are), and most of it works. I 
certainly wouldn't be doing what I do today if it hadn't been for my CoCo.

Even today, I was thinking whether something like this:

http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/QCT/QuadCore+Tower+Kit

Couldn't be hacked into some kind of "new" 8-bit wonder, with each 
Arduino acting as a "co-processor" and memory, for budding hackers (ah, 
who am I kidding, I want one of them myself!).

I've been playing with the Arduino lately for a robotics project I have 
been working on, and it is amazing what it can do. I know for certain 
that if I hadn't gotten that first machine, I would probably not be 
doing any of this.

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 10 23:16:08 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:16:08 -0600
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <000d01c98bf5$341660e0$9c4322a0$@com>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net> <499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
	<000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
	<000d01c98bf5$341660e0$9c4322a0$@com>
Message-ID: <20090211041632.3805F20A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 09:02 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote:
>Worse, it doesn't even make any sense for the most part...  here is a good
>line:
>
>"Consequently, several plays and applications (including an operating system
>of diskettes) were marketed in the shape of cartridges."

"plays" meaning "programs"
I think the assumption that a translator was used is correct.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From lamune at doki-doki.net  Tue Feb 10 23:31:52 2009
From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:31:52 -0800
Subject: [Coco] 360K 3.5 inch floppies... hmmm
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98bce$97ee9910$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <00d301c98bce$97ee9910$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D9A7@fenestra.lamunet.local>

I'd say the best thing to do would be to read the disks and save them as
images onto a more modern storage medium.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of George Ramsower
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:26 PM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: [Coco] 360K 3.5 inch floppies... hmmm
> 
>  I'm wondering if anyone knows a way to preserve the integrity of the
> media
> on these difficult to find discs.
>  I keep my unused and unformatted stuff in the dark, humiditiy and
> temperature controlled environment(My Darkroom).
> 
>  Is there a known way to preserve these things any better? Maybe drop
> them
> in liquid Nitrogen and keep them there until ready to use? hehe
> 
>  Really, what is the best method of making sure the magnetic media
> doesn't
> fall off the darned thing or, whatever goes wrong over the years.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 23:36:09 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:36:09 -0600
Subject: [Coco] 360K 3.5 inch floppies... hmmm
References: <00d301c98bce$97ee9910$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D9A7@fenestra.lamunet.local>
Message-ID: <014d01c98c02$4349c0e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

 Mike,

  I think you missed something here. These are unformatted diskettes. All my 
software and data are already backed up in numerous ways, including onto 
this PC and CDs.
  I was looking for a way to keep these floppies in good shape for future 
use.
George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Pepe"

> I'd say the best thing to do would be to read the disks and save them as
> images onto a more modern storage medium.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  George Ramsower
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:26 PM
>>  I'm wondering if anyone knows a way to preserve the integrity of the
>> media
>> on these difficult to find discs.
>>  I keep my unused and unformatted stuff in the dark, humiditiy and
>> temperature controlled environment(My Darkroom).
>>
>>  Is there a known way to preserve these things any better? Maybe drop
>> them
>> in liquid Nitrogen and keep them there until ready to use? hehe
>>
>>  Really, what is the best method of making sure the magnetic media
>> doesn't
>> fall off the darned thing or, whatever goes wrong over the years.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From lamune at doki-doki.net  Wed Feb 11 00:01:49 2009
From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:01:49 -0800
Subject: [Coco] 360K 3.5 inch floppies... hmmm
In-Reply-To: <014d01c98c02$4349c0e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <00d301c98bce$97ee9910$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE><4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D9A7@fenestra.lamunet.local>
	<014d01c98c02$4349c0e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CCE@fenestra.lamunet.local>

Ah, oops.

I think keeping them dry probably would be the most important thing.
Maybe seal them in a plastic bag with some silica gel.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of George Ramsower
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:36 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] 360K 3.5 inch floppies... hmmm
> 
>  Mike,
> 
>   I think you missed something here. These are unformatted diskettes.
> All my
> software and data are already backed up in numerous ways, including
> onto
> this PC and CDs.
>   I was looking for a way to keep these floppies in good shape for
> future
> use.
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Pepe"
> 
> > I'd say the best thing to do would be to read the disks and save
them
> as
> > images onto a more modern storage medium.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:  George Ramsower
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:26 PM
> >>  I'm wondering if anyone knows a way to preserve the integrity of
> the
> >> media
> >> on these difficult to find discs.
> >>  I keep my unused and unformatted stuff in the dark, humiditiy and
> >> temperature controlled environment(My Darkroom).
> >>
> >>  Is there a known way to preserve these things any better? Maybe
> drop
> >> them
> >> in liquid Nitrogen and keep them there until ready to use? hehe
> >>
> >>  Really, what is the best method of making sure the magnetic media
> >> doesn't
> >> fall off the darned thing or, whatever goes wrong over the years.
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >
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From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 01:31:29 2009
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:31:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <239043.21251.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Well, Technically 41 now as I type this. Got my first Coco in '84 (16K ECB CoCo2, 8 RAM chip model, later upgraded to 64K, then a Gorilla Banana printer, then Disk Drives, later an MPI, RS-232 Pak, and then a SSC.... Lost all my CoCo Stuff in '98, and now have replacements that I need to sort through and test. (as soon as I can travel the distance up to my mom's to get it... big bummer there.)-Later!  ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting.

--- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
From: Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <Coco at maltedmedia.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:45 AM

Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby
basic" and a
cassette recorder)


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From paulej at arid.us  Wed Feb 11 02:16:58 2009
From: paulej at arid.us (Paul E. Jones)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:16:58 -0500
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net>	<499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
	<000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
Message-ID: <015c01c98c18$b9da1230$2d8e3690$@us>

The site appears to have private domain registration, but a quick search
revealed that speedylook.com runs on the same Canadian server with these
domains and appears to be the same owner(s):
http://www.encyclopediefrancaise.com/
http://www.talkpedia.com/
http://www.premiumlinkdir.com/
http://www.nanocashadvance.com/
http://www.usadebt.org/
http://www.myetymology.com/
http://www.dapyx.com/
http://www.dapyx-soft.com/
http://www.citizendia.org/
http://www.themesforblogs.com/
http://www.allmythemes.com/

Perhaps the most useful site is dapyx.com.  I guess Bogdan Giusca (or,
Bogdan Giu?c?) (bogdang at hotpop.com or bogdan2005 at yahoo.co.uk) owns these
sites.

These sites clearly exist primarily to collect ad revenue, so I guess
accuracy is not the prime objective.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tom Seagrove
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:38 PM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> 
> I believe you are correct.  My guess was a spell check (translation)
> which
> changed CoCo to Coconut...
> 
> Tom
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:07 PM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> 
> Fred D. Provoncha wrote:
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:58:29 -0600
> > > From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> > > Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> > > To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > > Message-ID: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> > >
> > > This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing
> > > these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut. Everything
> > > seems ok but the name.
> http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
> > > -- Roger Taylor
> > >
> > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
> >
> > I have a suspicion that this page was translated into English from
> > another language, most likely by one of those online automated
> > translation tools. I know Google has such a tool. There's a pattern
> of
> > grammatical errors that gives it away. Perhaps the translation tool
> > found the term "Coco" in the original foreign text and erroneously
> > translated it as "Coconut".
> >
> > Just a theory :-)
> >
> > Fred Provoncha
> > Stansbury Park, UT
> >
> >
> In fact, the more I look at this, the more I think the original text
> was
> probably in French.
> 
> Fred Provoncha
> Stansbury Park, UT
> 
> 
> 
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From petrander at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 02:53:02 2009
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:53:02 +0100
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <015c01c98c18$b9da1230$2d8e3690$@us>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net> <499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
	<000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
	<015c01c98c18$b9da1230$2d8e3690$@us>
Message-ID: <dcc956220902102353k106e9631vd22f87937b89c38c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I know what this is, and I think Fred is right that it is a
computer-translation. It is in fact the translation of the French
wikipedia article on the Coco, that has the exact same wording, as far
as I can see, just in French:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinateur_Couleur

There are many site that serve wikipedia pages, but it is the first
time I see one that translates other language articles. I wonder why?
Maybe it is to elude the GNU license?

Cheers,
Fedor


2009/2/11 Paul E. Jones <paulej at arid.us>:
> The site appears to have private domain registration, but a quick search
> revealed that speedylook.com runs on the same Canadian server with these
> domains and appears to be the same owner(s):
> http://www.encyclopediefrancaise.com/
> http://www.talkpedia.com/
> http://www.premiumlinkdir.com/
> http://www.nanocashadvance.com/
> http://www.usadebt.org/
> http://www.myetymology.com/
> http://www.dapyx.com/
> http://www.dapyx-soft.com/
> http://www.citizendia.org/
> http://www.themesforblogs.com/
> http://www.allmythemes.com/
>
> Perhaps the most useful site is dapyx.com.  I guess Bogdan Giusca (or,
> Bogdan Giu?c?) (bogdang at hotpop.com or bogdan2005 at yahoo.co.uk) owns these
> sites.
>
> These sites clearly exist primarily to collect ad revenue, so I guess
> accuracy is not the prime objective.
>
> Paul
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tom Seagrove
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:38 PM
>> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo
>>
>> I believe you are correct.  My guess was a spell check (translation)
>> which
>> changed CoCo to Coconut...
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
>> Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:07 PM
>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo
>>
>> Fred D. Provoncha wrote:
>> > > Message: 8
>> > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:58:29 -0600
>> > > From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
>> > > Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
>> > > To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> > > Message-ID: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>> > >
>> > > This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing
>> > > these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut. Everything
>> > > seems ok but the name.
>> http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
>> > > -- Roger Taylor
>> > >
>> > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>> >
>> > I have a suspicion that this page was translated into English from
>> > another language, most likely by one of those online automated
>> > translation tools. I know Google has such a tool. There's a pattern
>> of
>> > grammatical errors that gives it away. Perhaps the translation tool
>> > found the term "Coco" in the original foreign text and erroneously
>> > translated it as "Coconut".
>> >
>> > Just a theory :-)
>> >
>> > Fred Provoncha
>> > Stansbury Park, UT
>> >
>> >
>> In fact, the more I look at this, the more I think the original text
>> was
>> probably in French.
>>
>> Fred Provoncha
>> Stansbury Park, UT
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --
>> http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1943 - Release Date:
>> 02/10/09
>> 07:20:00
>>
>>
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>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Wed Feb 11 03:14:34 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:14:34 +1100
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30902101719i658f9a2ek84ebbed4f70332d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200902101304.01680.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<Pine.SOL.4.21.0902101615440.4803-100000@solix.fiu.edu>	<4c56cbd30902101441i5ae8ac39k87c734b815f209a@mail.gmail.com>	<00e201c98bd3$a40410e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<4c56cbd30902101719i658f9a2ek84ebbed4f70332d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499288EA.20106@iinet.net.au>

James Dessart wrote:

> Hehehe... I have the issue of having a wife who likes having room for
> things other than my computers. :) 

LOL! Same here. My wife has her own study (as do I) and her piano and 
"shrine to the horse" take pride of place in the living room. Aside from the 
consoles under the TV from time-to-time, my study and the garage are the 
only places I have for my computers / consoles / arcade games... as a result 
a decent portion of my collection actually resides at work - strewn across 
various desks and shelves and overflowing boxes. ;)

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Wed Feb 11 05:37:00 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:37:00 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow feburary 1991 scanned
Message-ID: <gmu9oc+k4js@eGroups.com>

my pc is uploading it now to server at excalibur1

give it  afew hours, its 170 megabyte long

pc says will have 2 and 1/2 hours to upload



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 05:55:43 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:55:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow feburary 1991 scanned
In-Reply-To: <gmu9oc+k4js@eGroups.com>
References: <gmu9oc+k4js@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c98c37$4962a020$dc27e060$@rr.com>

Please excuse the ignorance, but is this downloadable?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of stinger30au
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:37 AM
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow feburary 1991 scanned
> 
> my pc is uploading it now to server at excalibur1
> 
> give it  afew hours, its 170 megabyte long
> 
> pc says will have 2 and 1/2 hours to upload
> 



From coconut at pritchard.ca  Wed Feb 11 08:42:59 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:42:59 -0600
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <015c01c98c18$b9da1230$2d8e3690$@us>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net> <499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
	<000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
	<015c01c98c18$b9da1230$2d8e3690$@us>
Message-ID: <1806abd60902110542s64113bedhcc9d0a3febfda845@mail.gmail.com>

Though I did not research as far as you with regards to other sites that
appear to be the same owner, I have to agree with the assessment of the
sites existing to primarily collect revenue.
First of all there are no real links (example: About, Contact Us, etc.) that
tell you anything useful, some of the categories even link externally which
seems odd by my standard for a site that seems to imply it is an
encyclopedia or sorts.

It is just an incredible waste of a web users time if they stumble on this
site and likely any of the others that Paul listed here.

2009/2/11 Paul E. Jones <paulej at arid.us>

> The site appears to have private domain registration, but a quick search
> revealed that speedylook.com runs on the same Canadian server with these
> domains and appears to be the same owner(s):
> http://www.encyclopediefrancaise.com/
> http://www.talkpedia.com/
> http://www.premiumlinkdir.com/
> http://www.nanocashadvance.com/
> http://www.usadebt.org/
> http://www.myetymology.com/
> http://www.dapyx.com/
> http://www.dapyx-soft.com/
> http://www.citizendia.org/
> http://www.themesforblogs.com/
> http://www.allmythemes.com/
>
> Perhaps the most useful site is dapyx.com.  I guess Bogdan Giusca (or,
> Bogdan Giu?c?) (bogdang at hotpop.com or bogdan2005 at yahoo.co.uk) owns these
> sites.
>
> These sites clearly exist primarily to collect ad revenue, so I guess
> accuracy is not the prime objective.
>
> Paul
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tom Seagrove
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:38 PM
> > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> >
> > I believe you are correct.  My guess was a spell check (translation)
> > which
> > changed CoCo to Coconut...
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
> > Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:07 PM
> > To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> >
> > Fred D. Provoncha wrote:
> > > > Message: 8
> > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:58:29 -0600
> > > > From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> > > > Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
> > > > To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > > > Message-ID: <20090211005857.B62FE20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> > > >
> > > > This guy must have researched every bit of 1 minute before writing
> > > > these articles, repeatedly calling the CoCo a CoCoNut. Everything
> > > > seems ok but the name.
> > http://www.speedylook.com/Computer_Color.html
> > > > -- Roger Taylor
> > > >
> > > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
> > >
> > > I have a suspicion that this page was translated into English from
> > > another language, most likely by one of those online automated
> > > translation tools. I know Google has such a tool. There's a pattern
> > of
> > > grammatical errors that gives it away. Perhaps the translation tool
> > > found the term "Coco" in the original foreign text and erroneously
> > > translated it as "Coconut".
> > >
> > > Just a theory :-)
> > >
> > > Fred Provoncha
> > > Stansbury Park, UT
> > >
> > >
> > In fact, the more I look at this, the more I think the original text
> > was
> > probably in French.
> >
> > Fred Provoncha
> > Stansbury Park, UT
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --
> > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1943 - Release Date:
> > 02/10/09
> > 07:20:00
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



-- 
Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies


From alsplace at pobox.com  Wed Feb 11 08:44:26 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:44:26 -0600
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <1806abd60902110542s64113bedhcc9d0a3febfda845@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net> <499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
	<000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
	<015c01c98c18$b9da1230$2d8e3690$@us>
	<1806abd60902110542s64113bedhcc9d0a3febfda845@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD2E3671-0308-4298-83DA-1B38558FF1A5@pobox.com>

On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:42 AM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> It is just an incredible waste of a web users time if they stumble  
> on this
> site and likely any of the others that Paul listed here.

It sure kept us busy for a bit. :-)

		-- Allen




From coconut at pritchard.ca  Wed Feb 11 08:45:50 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:45:50 -0600
Subject: [Coco] names for the CoCo
In-Reply-To: <AD2E3671-0308-4298-83DA-1B38558FF1A5@pobox.com>
References: <mailman.3.1234315943.16913.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<49922FD4.7030509@usfamily.net> <499232D9.5010101@usfamily.net>
	<000601c98bf1$bba965b0$32fc3110$@com>
	<015c01c98c18$b9da1230$2d8e3690$@us>
	<1806abd60902110542s64113bedhcc9d0a3febfda845@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD2E3671-0308-4298-83DA-1B38558FF1A5@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <9070A8B6-EB7F-4D80-9487-CD7DB651FFA9@pritchard.ca>

Too True!  LMAO

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 11-Feb-09, at 7:44 AM, Allen Huffman wrote:

> On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:42 AM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>> It is just an incredible waste of a web users time if they stumble  
>> on this
>> site and likely any of the others that Paul listed here.
>
> It sure kept us busy for a bit. :-)
>
> 		-- Allen
>
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 08:48:43 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:48:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] 360K 3.5 inch floppies... hmmm
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98bce$97ee9910$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <957289.34211.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What I have done is image the disks on my WIndows System and burn to DVD as the only fail proof way to preserve that data.

If you have a XP system and install the floppy disk driver found here: http://simonowen.com/fdrawcmd/  you can then find programs out there that will read the disks from most of the vintage systems.



George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:  I'm wondering if anyone knows a way to preserve the integrity of the media 
on these difficult to find discs.
 I keep my unused and unformatted stuff in the dark, humiditiy and 
temperature controlled environment(My Darkroom).

 Is there a known way to preserve these things any better? Maybe drop them 
in liquid Nitrogen and keep them there until ready to use? hehe

 Really, what is the best method of making sure the magnetic media doesn't 
fall off the darned thing or, whatever goes wrong over the years.

George




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From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 11:32:47 2009
From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:32:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Coco games copyright
Message-ID: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I was thinking of converting some Coco games over to a new platform, but was wondering what the copyright was on them now? 


From jcewy at swbell.net  Wed Feb 11 13:51:06 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:51:06 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49931E1A.6070102@swbell.net>

Ben Jimenez wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was thinking of converting some Coco games over to a new platform, but was wondering what the copyright was on them now? 
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   
Copyright is forever.  Well, not quite forever.  It's the life of the
author plus 70 years plus the amount of time since Walt Disney died, or
something like that.

Seriously, it isn't like patents, which expire in 17 years.

There are a number of authors of CoCo games who have given permission
for their programs to be distributed for free, often with certain
restrictions, such as "you may not charge for a copy", etc.  This does
not mean that they have renounced their copyright and put the programs
in the public domain, only that they are using their copyright to
specify the terms under which their works can be copied.

L. Curtis Boyle has received permission to make some of these games
available for download from his web site, and has documented the
permissions he has.  Since these authors have given some enhanced
permissions for their works, they might be amenable to discussing a
port.  You'd just have to get in touch with them and see.

Of course, if you're just talking about writing your own clone of their
original game, you don't need to get any permission or worry about
copyright, unless you directly copy stuff from the game, or use
trademarked names and so on.

Now since these things are pretty old, and many of the old authors
aren't involved with the CoCo anymore, you might get away with just
appropriating it, but of course you'd be doing so at the risk that they
would take notice and threaten a lawsuit.  How likely that would be
would probably depend on how you use it.  If you are trying to sell
copies of a game that blatantly steals their copyrighted materials, they
would probably be more likely to take offense, or take action.  If you
do it for fun and give it away for free, and position it as a fan paying
tribute to a great game of the past, they may not care, and might even
feel honored that their old work has been remembered.  On the other
hand, they might still be perfectly within their rights to sue you.  Do
so at your own risk.

One other factor is that for most of these programs there's no economic
benefit to be gained from suing you.  It's not as if you're depriving
them of any significant potential income from these 20+ years old
programs.  But for some people it may be a matter of principle.

Now, there may be some CoCo games out there that are really Open Source,
or something approximating that.  Those you should be able to port more
freely.  But for those that aren't you are either going to have to
disassemble them or contact the original author and see if the source
code is still around.

JCE



From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Wed Feb 11 13:56:54 2009
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:56:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <49931E1A.6070102@swbell.net>
References: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<49931E1A.6070102@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <CB77A26C-7D97-4F2C-B003-5A7DFE48FC7F@earthlink.net>

Why am I waiting with bated breath, holding my finger over the DELETE  
key...

Maybe each newbie should get an email from Dennis with something to  
the effect that discussions of religion, politics, and copyrights  
should be avoided because they are equally likely to start flame wars.

(Sorry, Joel.  I know you just wanted to help the guy, but I can't  
help thinking you were just trolled.)

On Feb 11, 2009, at Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 1:51 PM, Joel Ewy  
wrote:

> Ben Jimenez wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was thinking of converting some Coco games over to a new  
>> platform, but was wondering what the copyright was on them now?
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
> Copyright is forever.  Well, not quite forever.  It's the life of the
> author plus 70 years plus the amount of time since Walt Disney  
> died, or
> something like that.
>
> Seriously, it isn't like patents, which expire in 17 years.
>
> There are a number of authors of CoCo games who have given permission
> for their programs to be distributed for free, often with certain
> restrictions, such as "you may not charge for a copy", etc.  This does
> not mean that they have renounced their copyright and put the programs
> in the public domain, only that they are using their copyright to
> specify the terms under which their works can be copied.
>
> L. Curtis Boyle has received permission to make some of these games
> available for download from his web site, and has documented the
> permissions he has.  Since these authors have given some enhanced
> permissions for their works, they might be amenable to discussing a
> port.  You'd just have to get in touch with them and see.
>
> Of course, if you're just talking about writing your own clone of  
> their
> original game, you don't need to get any permission or worry about
> copyright, unless you directly copy stuff from the game, or use
> trademarked names and so on.
>
> Now since these things are pretty old, and many of the old authors
> aren't involved with the CoCo anymore, you might get away with just
> appropriating it, but of course you'd be doing so at the risk that  
> they
> would take notice and threaten a lawsuit.  How likely that would be
> would probably depend on how you use it.  If you are trying to sell
> copies of a game that blatantly steals their copyrighted materials,  
> they
> would probably be more likely to take offense, or take action.  If you
> do it for fun and give it away for free, and position it as a fan  
> paying
> tribute to a great game of the past, they may not care, and might even
> feel honored that their old work has been remembered.  On the other
> hand, they might still be perfectly within their rights to sue  
> you.  Do
> so at your own risk.
>
> One other factor is that for most of these programs there's no  
> economic
> benefit to be gained from suing you.  It's not as if you're depriving
> them of any significant potential income from these 20+ years old
> programs.  But for some people it may be a matter of principle.
>
> Now, there may be some CoCo games out there that are really Open  
> Source,
> or something approximating that.  Those you should be able to port  
> more
> freely.  But for those that aren't you are either going to have to
> disassemble them or contact the original author and see if the source
> code is still around.
>
> JCE
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From twixt at cstone.net  Wed Feb 11 13:52:41 2009
From: twixt at cstone.net (David Bush)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:52:41 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hitachi 6309 questions
Message-ID: <gmv6pp+s2f4@eGroups.com>

Where can I get a 6309 upgrade pack for my 512K CoCo 3? I would like
to be able to run it at 3.5 MHz at least, preferably 5 MHz. Can the
CoCo memory and the rest of the motherboard handle such speeds?

NitrOS-9 looks great, but there is also a lot of great CoCo software
out there designed for RS-DOS. Specifically, Max-10 word processor,
CoCoMax 3 graphics editor, and lots of games. I understand the 6309
has an emulation mode versus a native mode, but how does the user
switch between these modes? Could 6809 software inadvertently switch
modes, resulting in possibly buggy behavior?

Thanks!

David



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 14:23:32 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:23:32 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <gmv6pp+s2f4@eGroups.com>
References: <gmv6pp+s2f4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902111123s3e7a406aw7eb6027ff8bbb540@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/11/09, David Bush wrote:
> Where can I get a 6309 upgrade pack for my 512K CoCo 3? I would like
> to be able to run it at 3.5 MHz at least, preferably 5 MHz. Can the
> CoCo memory and the rest of the motherboard handle such speeds?

There is no simple way to get a CoCo 3 to run faster than 2 MHz.  You
can take a look at this site to see one method that was used:

<http://www.axess.com/twilight/sock/4mhzproj.html>


> NitrOS-9 looks great, but there is also a lot of great CoCo software
> out there designed for RS-DOS. Specifically, Max-10 word processor,
> CoCoMax 3 graphics editor, and lots of games. I understand the 6309
> has an emulation mode versus a native mode, but how does the user
> switch between these modes? Could 6809 software inadvertently switch
> modes, resulting in possibly buggy behavior?

Mode switching is accomplished using one of the new 6309 instructions
(LDMD).  All of the new instructions and registers are available
regardless of which mode is active.  The only difference between
emulation mode and native mode is that native mode executes many
instructions in fewer clock cycles and causes the new E and F
accumulators (W) to be pushed onto the stack upon an interrupt.  There
is a second mode switch that can cause an FIRQ interrupt to push the
same set of registers as an IRQ.

Any 6809 software that executes only legal 6809 instructions should
work fine on a 6309.  Code that relies on the behavior of illegal
op-codes or invalid operands (such as in the TFR and EXG instructions)
probably won't work on a 6309.

Darren


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Wed Feb 11 16:02:15 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:02:15 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20090211210215.GB11178@virgo.sdc.org>

I just turned 35 in December.

I still have my first computer, a CoCo 3, which was my christmas
present in 1987 (I think).  

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From jcewy at swbell.net  Wed Feb 11 16:01:58 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:01:58 -0600
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <CB77A26C-7D97-4F2C-B003-5A7DFE48FC7F@earthlink.net>
References: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<49931E1A.6070102@swbell.net>
	<CB77A26C-7D97-4F2C-B003-5A7DFE48FC7F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <49933CC6.5060807@swbell.net>

James Hrubik wrote:
> Why am I waiting with bated breath, holding my finger over the DELETE
> key...
>
> Maybe each newbie should get an email from Dennis with something to
> the effect that discussions of religion, politics, and copyrights
> should be avoided because they are equally likely to start flame wars.
>
> (Sorry, Joel.  I know you just wanted to help the guy, but I can't
> help thinking you were just trolled.)
>
Maybe so.  But I've now said all I have to say on the matter, and I
won't respond to insults or taunts.  Nothing anybody can say to me on
this list can be worse than things I've been told in person.

JCE
> On Feb 11, 2009, at Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 1:51 PM, Joel Ewy
> wrote:
>
>> Ben Jimenez wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I was thinking of converting some Coco games over to a new platform,
>>> but was wondering what the copyright was on them now?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>
>> Copyright is forever.  Well, not quite forever.  It's the life of the
>> author plus 70 years plus the amount of time since Walt Disney died, or
>> something like that.
>>
>> Seriously, it isn't like patents, which expire in 17 years.
>>
>> There are a number of authors of CoCo games who have given permission
>> for their programs to be distributed for free, often with certain
>> restrictions, such as "you may not charge for a copy", etc.  This does
>> not mean that they have renounced their copyright and put the programs
>> in the public domain, only that they are using their copyright to
>> specify the terms under which their works can be copied.
>>
>> L. Curtis Boyle has received permission to make some of these games
>> available for download from his web site, and has documented the
>> permissions he has.  Since these authors have given some enhanced
>> permissions for their works, they might be amenable to discussing a
>> port.  You'd just have to get in touch with them and see.
>>
>> Of course, if you're just talking about writing your own clone of their
>> original game, you don't need to get any permission or worry about
>> copyright, unless you directly copy stuff from the game, or use
>> trademarked names and so on.
>>
>> Now since these things are pretty old, and many of the old authors
>> aren't involved with the CoCo anymore, you might get away with just
>> appropriating it, but of course you'd be doing so at the risk that they
>> would take notice and threaten a lawsuit.  How likely that would be
>> would probably depend on how you use it.  If you are trying to sell
>> copies of a game that blatantly steals their copyrighted materials, they
>> would probably be more likely to take offense, or take action.  If you
>> do it for fun and give it away for free, and position it as a fan paying
>> tribute to a great game of the past, they may not care, and might even
>> feel honored that their old work has been remembered.  On the other
>> hand, they might still be perfectly within their rights to sue you.  Do
>> so at your own risk.
>>
>> One other factor is that for most of these programs there's no economic
>> benefit to be gained from suing you.  It's not as if you're depriving
>> them of any significant potential income from these 20+ years old
>> programs.  But for some people it may be a matter of principle.
>>
>> Now, there may be some CoCo games out there that are really Open Source,
>> or something approximating that.  Those you should be able to port more
>> freely.  But for those that aren't you are either going to have to
>> disassemble them or contact the original author and see if the source
>> code is still around.
>>
>> JCE
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Wed Feb 11 16:12:02 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:12:02 +1100
Subject: [Coco] Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49933F22.30306@iinet.net.au>

Ben Jimenez wrote:

> I was thinking of converting some Coco games over to a new platform, but
> was wondering what the copyright was on them now?

Interesting twist, though perhaps not quite as interesting to people on this 
list - we're not getting new games after all! ;)

Everything that Joel points out is correct of course, but it's also 
interesting to note that Sockmaster tempted the wrath of Nintendo - 
historically one of the most aggressive defendants of their IP - when 
porting Donkey Kong _to_ the CoCo! Not that I'm advocating you ignore the 
rights of any Coco authors of course.

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Wed Feb 11 16:19:12 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:19:12 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] a question to those of you with working
	cocos with floppy discs
In-Reply-To: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
References: <gmsnu0+dao5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20090211211912.GD11178@virgo.sdc.org>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 08:26:40PM -0000, stinger30au wrote:
> how many of you have floppy discs with information that is still
> readable say of original programs from say 1991 or there abouts?

I've got CoCo disks dating back to 88 or so, and few if any have gone
bad.

About the only 5.25" disks I've had fail on me were ones that I
abused. :-(

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 16:33:36 2009
From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:33:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <49933CC6.5060807@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <912121.35591.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

well that more then answers my question. I am think about cloning some games. I guess I should try to contact the authors once I determine which one(s) I want to port over to a mobile platform.




--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:

> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:01 PM
> James Hrubik wrote:
> > Why am I waiting with bated breath, holding my finger
> over the DELETE
> > key...
> >
> > Maybe each newbie should get an email from Dennis with
> something to
> > the effect that discussions of religion, politics, and
> copyrights
> > should be avoided because they are equally likely to
> start flame wars.
> >
> > (Sorry, Joel.  I know you just wanted to help the guy,
> but I can't
> > help thinking you were just trolled.)
> >
> Maybe so.  But I've now said all I have to say on the
> matter, and I
> won't respond to insults or taunts.  Nothing anybody
> can say to me on
> this list can be worse than things I've been told in
> person.
> 
> JCE
> > On Feb 11, 2009, at Wednesday, February 11, 2009 -
> 1:51 PM, Joel Ewy
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ben Jimenez wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I was thinking of converting some Coco games
> over to a new platform,
> >>> but was wondering what the copyright was on
> them now?
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Coco mailing list
> >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Copyright is forever.  Well, not quite forever. 
> It's the life of the
> >> author plus 70 years plus the amount of time since
> Walt Disney died, or
> >> something like that.
> >>
> >> Seriously, it isn't like patents, which expire
> in 17 years.
> >>
> >> There are a number of authors of CoCo games who
> have given permission
> >> for their programs to be distributed for free,
> often with certain
> >> restrictions, such as "you may not charge for
> a copy", etc.  This does
> >> not mean that they have renounced their copyright
> and put the programs
> >> in the public domain, only that they are using
> their copyright to
> >> specify the terms under which their works can be
> copied.
> >>
> >> L. Curtis Boyle has received permission to make
> some of these games
> >> available for download from his web site, and has
> documented the
> >> permissions he has.  Since these authors have
> given some enhanced
> >> permissions for their works, they might be
> amenable to discussing a
> >> port.  You'd just have to get in touch with
> them and see.
> >>
> >> Of course, if you're just talking about
> writing your own clone of their
> >> original game, you don't need to get any
> permission or worry about
> >> copyright, unless you directly copy stuff from the
> game, or use
> >> trademarked names and so on.
> >>
> >> Now since these things are pretty old, and many of
> the old authors
> >> aren't involved with the CoCo anymore, you
> might get away with just
> >> appropriating it, but of course you'd be doing
> so at the risk that they
> >> would take notice and threaten a lawsuit.  How
> likely that would be
> >> would probably depend on how you use it.  If you
> are trying to sell
> >> copies of a game that blatantly steals their
> copyrighted materials, they
> >> would probably be more likely to take offense, or
> take action.  If you
> >> do it for fun and give it away for free, and
> position it as a fan paying
> >> tribute to a great game of the past, they may not
> care, and might even
> >> feel honored that their old work has been
> remembered.  On the other
> >> hand, they might still be perfectly within their
> rights to sue you.  Do
> >> so at your own risk.
> >>
> >> One other factor is that for most of these
> programs there's no economic
> >> benefit to be gained from suing you.  It's not
> as if you're depriving
> >> them of any significant potential income from
> these 20+ years old
> >> programs.  But for some people it may be a matter
> of principle.
> >>
> >> Now, there may be some CoCo games out there that
> are really Open Source,
> >> or something approximating that.  Those you should
> be able to port more
> >> freely.  But for those that aren't you are
> either going to have to
> >> disassemble them or contact the original author
> and see if the source
> >> code is still around.
> >>
> >> JCE
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Coco mailing list
> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From badfrog at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 16:36:43 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:36:43 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <49933F22.30306@iinet.net.au>
References: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<49933F22.30306@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0902111336r1e690bbai6a77e4705e94f7a0@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget that Zelda clone (quest for Thelda I believe), that one
kind of surprised me that it stayed under the radar.
Most arcade ports made for the CoCo were not licensed, the market was
small enough to be ignored.


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Mark McDougall <msmcdoug at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Ben Jimenez wrote:
>
>> I was thinking of converting some Coco games over to a new platform, but
>> was wondering what the copyright was on them now?
>
> Interesting twist, though perhaps not quite as interesting to people on this
> list - we're not getting new games after all! ;)
>
> Everything that Joel points out is correct of course, but it's also
> interesting to note that Sockmaster tempted the wrath of Nintendo -
> historically one of the most aggressive defendants of their IP - when
> porting Donkey Kong _to_ the CoCo! Not that I'm advocating you ignore the
> rights of any Coco authors of course.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> |              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
> |  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From alsplace at pobox.com  Wed Feb 11 16:37:31 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:37:31 -0600
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <912121.35591.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <912121.35591.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <037B0486-B98B-43EA-AECA-A9E12B71502A@pobox.com>

Ben, which platform?

Sent from my iPhone
Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman

On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Ben Jimenez <ben_jimenez at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> well that more then answers my question. I am think about cloning  
> some games. I guess I should try to contact the authors once I  
> determine which one(s) I want to port over to a mobile platform.
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:01 PM
>> James Hrubik wrote:
>>> Why am I waiting with bated breath, holding my finger
>> over the DELETE
>>> key...
>>>
>>> Maybe each newbie should get an email from Dennis with
>> something to
>>> the effect that discussions of religion, politics, and
>> copyrights
>>> should be avoided because they are equally likely to
>> start flame wars.
>>>
>>> (Sorry, Joel.  I know you just wanted to help the guy,
>> but I can't
>>> help thinking you were just trolled.)
>>>
>> Maybe so.  But I've now said all I have to say on the
>> matter, and I
>> won't respond to insults or taunts.  Nothing anybody
>> can say to me on
>> this list can be worse than things I've been told in
>> person.
>>
>> JCE
>>> On Feb 11, 2009, at Wednesday, February 11, 2009 -
>> 1:51 PM, Joel Ewy
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben Jimenez wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking of converting some Coco games
>> over to a new platform,
>>>>> but was wondering what the copyright was on
>> them now?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Copyright is forever.  Well, not quite forever.
>> It's the life of the
>>>> author plus 70 years plus the amount of time since
>> Walt Disney died, or
>>>> something like that.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, it isn't like patents, which expire
>> in 17 years.
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of authors of CoCo games who
>> have given permission
>>>> for their programs to be distributed for free,
>> often with certain
>>>> restrictions, such as "you may not charge for
>> a copy", etc.  This does
>>>> not mean that they have renounced their copyright
>> and put the programs
>>>> in the public domain, only that they are using
>> their copyright to
>>>> specify the terms under which their works can be
>> copied.
>>>>
>>>> L. Curtis Boyle has received permission to make
>> some of these games
>>>> available for download from his web site, and has
>> documented the
>>>> permissions he has.  Since these authors have
>> given some enhanced
>>>> permissions for their works, they might be
>> amenable to discussing a
>>>> port.  You'd just have to get in touch with
>> them and see.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if you're just talking about
>> writing your own clone of their
>>>> original game, you don't need to get any
>> permission or worry about
>>>> copyright, unless you directly copy stuff from the
>> game, or use
>>>> trademarked names and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Now since these things are pretty old, and many of
>> the old authors
>>>> aren't involved with the CoCo anymore, you
>> might get away with just
>>>> appropriating it, but of course you'd be doing
>> so at the risk that they
>>>> would take notice and threaten a lawsuit.  How
>> likely that would be
>>>> would probably depend on how you use it.  If you
>> are trying to sell
>>>> copies of a game that blatantly steals their
>> copyrighted materials, they
>>>> would probably be more likely to take offense, or
>> take action.  If you
>>>> do it for fun and give it away for free, and
>> position it as a fan paying
>>>> tribute to a great game of the past, they may not
>> care, and might even
>>>> feel honored that their old work has been
>> remembered.  On the other
>>>> hand, they might still be perfectly within their
>> rights to sue you.  Do
>>>> so at your own risk.
>>>>
>>>> One other factor is that for most of these
>> programs there's no economic
>>>> benefit to be gained from suing you.  It's not
>> as if you're depriving
>>>> them of any significant potential income from
>> these 20+ years old
>>>> programs.  But for some people it may be a matter
>> of principle.
>>>>
>>>> Now, there may be some CoCo games out there that
>> are really Open Source,
>>>> or something approximating that.  Those you should
>> be able to port more
>>>> freely.  But for those that aren't you are
>> either going to have to
>>>> disassemble them or contact the original author
>> and see if the source
>>>> code is still around.
>>>>
>>>> JCE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 17:57:28 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:57:28 +0000
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
Message-ID: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Ok, so I've pulled my CoCo3 out of storage because I need to test 
something on it, and am really quite disapointed with the quality of the 
  composite video display on my LCD TV. Though the TV is fine with other 
machine's composite (Dragon included, but then that like the CoCo 1/2 
uses a 6847 instead of the Gime).

So I know the CoCo3 has an RGB port on the underside of the board, that 
I can hopefully use to drive the TV/monitor, which as well as composite 
and ariel input also has SCART and PCVGA inputs, both of which I know 
work fine and display a nice crisp picture with a variety of retro systems.

So how can I go about utilizing this port, if it's going to be a problem 
the CoCo3 is of a US NTSC model, and though the TV is a UK PAL model, it 
is also capable of displaying an NTSC picture fine (tested with a Tano 
Dragon, and an MC-10).

Cheers.

Phill.

-- 
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 18:13:08 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:13:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:

> Ok, so I've pulled my CoCo3 out of storage because I need to test something 
> on it, and am really quite disapointed with the quality of the  composite 
> video display on my LCD TV. Though the TV is fine with other machine's 
> composite (Dragon included, but then that like the CoCo 1/2 uses a 6847 
> instead of the Gime).
>
> So I know the CoCo3 has an RGB port on the underside of the board, that I can 
> hopefully use to drive the TV/monitor, which as well as composite and ariel 
> input also has SCART and PCVGA inputs, both of which I know work fine and 
> display a nice crisp picture with a variety of retro systems.
>
> So how can I go about utilizing this port, if it's going to be a problem the 
> CoCo3 is of a US NTSC model, and though the TV is a UK PAL model, it is also 
> capable of displaying an NTSC picture fine (tested with a Tano Dragon, and an 
> MC-10).

The main problem you're facing is that RGB SCART requires composite sync, 
while NTSC CoCo 3 systems (and maybe PAL, but I've never seen one) have 
separate H & V sync.  I ran into this trying to interface my CoCo to a 
scan converter that uses SCART.  If you're handy, there's a simple circuit 
to recombine H & V to composite.  I plan to knock this together Real Soon 
Now and play with it further.

Steve


-- 


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 18:15:06 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:15:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Reading DOS Rom
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111813120.7810@duo>

Before I damage something, can anyone confirm that the ROM from a Tandy 
floppy controller can be safely read on an EPROM programmer?  If so, what 
do I setup for?  Is there an actual EPROM part number that uses the same 
pinout as the masked ROM?  Can I simply setup for a 2764 and offset it in 
the socket?

Steve


-- 


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 18:21:09 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:21:09 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Reading DOS Rom
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111813120.7810@duo>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111813120.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902111521i8a66c54o5a0dd526471a29f7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote:

> Before I damage something, can anyone confirm that the ROM from a Tandy
> floppy controller can be safely read on an EPROM programmer?  If so, what do
> I setup for?  Is there an actual EPROM part number that uses the same pinout
> as the masked ROM?  Can I simply setup for a 2764 and offset it in the
> socket?
>

If it is an FD-502 with a 28 pin ROM then it can be read just as if it were
a 2764 EPROM.  If it is a 24 pin ROM then the EPROM programmer would need to
be configured for a 68764 or 68766 EPROM.

Darren


From diegoba at adinet.com.uy  Wed Feb 11 18:42:38 2009
From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (Diego Barizo)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:42:38 -0200
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4993626E.4060704@adinet.com.uy>

I count 36.
My first CoCo was a 2 with 16K(1986?), that was swiftly traded for a 64K 
in order to be able to play Zaxxon
That was in turn traded for a CoCo3 in 88 which is still with me.
I had to wait 'till 2003 to get my first working disk system.

Diego


Bill wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)
>
>
> __________________________



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 18:44:54 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:44:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Reading DOS Rom
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0902111521i8a66c54o5a0dd526471a29f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111813120.7810@duo>
	<5d802cd0902111521i8a66c54o5a0dd526471a29f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111844180.7810@duo>

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Darren A wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>
>> Before I damage something, can anyone confirm that the ROM from a Tandy
>> floppy controller can be safely read on an EPROM programmer?  If so, what do
>> I setup for?  Is there an actual EPROM part number that uses the same pinout
>> as the masked ROM?  Can I simply setup for a 2764 and offset it in the
>> socket?
>>
>
> If it is an FD-502 with a 28 pin ROM then it can be read just as if it were
> a 2764 EPROM.  If it is a 24 pin ROM then the EPROM programmer would need to
> be configured for a 68764 or 68766 EPROM.

Thanks!  That's what I needed.  I have an FD-501 with the 24-pin ROM.



-- 


From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Wed Feb 11 18:53:59 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:53:59 +0000
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>
References: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <49936517.5010805@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Steven Hirsch wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
> The main problem you're facing is that RGB SCART requires composite 
> sync, while NTSC CoCo 3 systems (and maybe PAL, but I've never seen one) 
> have separate H & V sync.  I ran into this trying to interface my CoCo 
> to a scan converter that uses SCART.  If you're handy, there's a simple 
> circuit to recombine H & V to composite.  I plan to knock this together 
> Real Soon Now and play with it further.

You don't happen to have a link to that do you, if it's small enough I 
could knock it up on a piece of stripboard and mount it inside the CoCo 
case.

Cheers.

Phill.

-- 
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From badfrog at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 19:31:14 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:31:14 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>

Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand though! :)

It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and a
> cassette recorder)
>
>
> ______________________________________
> *Square One Christian BBS
> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
>
> A Taste of CoCo Forum
> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
>
> Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
> Host name or IP: www.sq1bbs.com
> Port: 3784
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From carlos.bragatto at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 19:34:12 2009
From: carlos.bragatto at gmail.com (Carlos Bragatto)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:34:12 -0200
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16bae8870902111634j1a28425of41623b8e99ca878@mail.gmail.com>

Sean be aware that those latest 750GB, 1TB, 1.5TB drives from Samsung are
corrupting data, be sure to search for the free firmware update before
starting to store data on it !
Carlos
PS: Actually it HIDES the data from the user, there's a second tool that
unhides the data (all from Samsung)


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Sean <badfrog at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand
> though! :)
>
> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> > had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic"
> and a
> > cassette recorder)
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________
> > *Square One Christian BBS
> > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
> > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
> >
> > A Taste of CoCo Forum
> > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
> >
> > Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
> > Host name or IP: www.sq1bbs.com
> > Port: 3784
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From johnguin at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 11 19:55:59 2009
From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:55:59 -0800
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <037B0486-B98B-43EA-AECA-A9E12B71502A@pobox.com>
References: <912121.35591.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<037B0486-B98B-43EA-AECA-A9E12B71502A@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <BAY138-DS7A3C030FB7D8D4ED12F7CD9BB0@phx.gbl>

Would it be easier to port MESS or some other emulator and get the entire
COCO library in one fell swoop?

To be clear, I have NO idea how easy/hard that would be.  I just wanted to
ask what was an obvious (to me) question.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Allen Huffman
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:38 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was) Coco games copyright

Ben, which platform?

Sent from my iPhone
Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman

On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Ben Jimenez <ben_jimenez at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> well that more then answers my question. I am think about cloning  
> some games. I guess I should try to contact the authors once I  
> determine which one(s) I want to port over to a mobile platform.
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:01 PM
>> James Hrubik wrote:
>>> Why am I waiting with bated breath, holding my finger
>> over the DELETE
>>> key...
>>>
>>> Maybe each newbie should get an email from Dennis with
>> something to
>>> the effect that discussions of religion, politics, and
>> copyrights
>>> should be avoided because they are equally likely to
>> start flame wars.
>>>
>>> (Sorry, Joel.  I know you just wanted to help the guy,
>> but I can't
>>> help thinking you were just trolled.)
>>>
>> Maybe so.  But I've now said all I have to say on the
>> matter, and I
>> won't respond to insults or taunts.  Nothing anybody
>> can say to me on
>> this list can be worse than things I've been told in
>> person.
>>
>> JCE
>>> On Feb 11, 2009, at Wednesday, February 11, 2009 -
>> 1:51 PM, Joel Ewy
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben Jimenez wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking of converting some Coco games
>> over to a new platform,
>>>>> but was wondering what the copyright was on
>> them now?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Copyright is forever.  Well, not quite forever.
>> It's the life of the
>>>> author plus 70 years plus the amount of time since
>> Walt Disney died, or
>>>> something like that.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, it isn't like patents, which expire
>> in 17 years.
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of authors of CoCo games who
>> have given permission
>>>> for their programs to be distributed for free,
>> often with certain
>>>> restrictions, such as "you may not charge for
>> a copy", etc.  This does
>>>> not mean that they have renounced their copyright
>> and put the programs
>>>> in the public domain, only that they are using
>> their copyright to
>>>> specify the terms under which their works can be
>> copied.
>>>>
>>>> L. Curtis Boyle has received permission to make
>> some of these games
>>>> available for download from his web site, and has
>> documented the
>>>> permissions he has.  Since these authors have
>> given some enhanced
>>>> permissions for their works, they might be
>> amenable to discussing a
>>>> port.  You'd just have to get in touch with
>> them and see.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if you're just talking about
>> writing your own clone of their
>>>> original game, you don't need to get any
>> permission or worry about
>>>> copyright, unless you directly copy stuff from the
>> game, or use
>>>> trademarked names and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Now since these things are pretty old, and many of
>> the old authors
>>>> aren't involved with the CoCo anymore, you
>> might get away with just
>>>> appropriating it, but of course you'd be doing
>> so at the risk that they
>>>> would take notice and threaten a lawsuit.  How
>> likely that would be
>>>> would probably depend on how you use it.  If you
>> are trying to sell
>>>> copies of a game that blatantly steals their
>> copyrighted materials, they
>>>> would probably be more likely to take offense, or
>> take action.  If you
>>>> do it for fun and give it away for free, and
>> position it as a fan paying
>>>> tribute to a great game of the past, they may not
>> care, and might even
>>>> feel honored that their old work has been
>> remembered.  On the other
>>>> hand, they might still be perfectly within their
>> rights to sue you.  Do
>>>> so at your own risk.
>>>>
>>>> One other factor is that for most of these
>> programs there's no economic
>>>> benefit to be gained from suing you.  It's not
>> as if you're depriving
>>>> them of any significant potential income from
>> these 20+ years old
>>>> programs.  But for some people it may be a matter
>> of principle.
>>>>
>>>> Now, there may be some CoCo games out there that
>> are really Open Source,
>>>> or something approximating that.  Those you should
>> be able to port more
>>>> freely.  But for those that aren't you are
>> either going to have to
>>>> disassemble them or contact the original author
>> and see if the source
>>>> code is still around.
>>>>
>>>> JCE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
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From badfrog at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 20:03:39 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:03:39 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <16bae8870902111634j1a28425of41623b8e99ca878@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<16bae8870902111634j1a28425of41623b8e99ca878@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0902111703u24826aa0yb5df376e734c8c55@mail.gmail.com>

Good thing it's a Seagate!  :)

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Carlos Bragatto
<carlos.bragatto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sean be aware that those latest 750GB, 1TB, 1.5TB drives from Samsung are
> corrupting data, be sure to search for the free firmware update before
> starting to store data on it !
> Carlos
> PS: Actually it HIDES the data from the user, there's a second tool that
> unhides the data (all from Samsung)
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Sean <badfrog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
>> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
>> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand
>> though! :)
>>
>> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>> > Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
>> > had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic"
>> and a
>> > cassette recorder)
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________________
>> > *Square One Christian BBS
>> > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
>> > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
>> >
>> > A Taste of CoCo Forum
>> > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
>> >
>> > Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
>> > Host name or IP: www.sq1bbs.com
>> > Port: 3784
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Coco mailing list
>> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 20:37:44 2009
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:37:44 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0902111703u24826aa0yb5df376e734c8c55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<16bae8870902111634j1a28425of41623b8e99ca878@mail.gmail.com>
	<9efa17da0902111703u24826aa0yb5df376e734c8c55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51A18839-D6F5-4C8A-B21C-BDFF5C7EC1F3@gmail.com>

I think Carlos means Seagate.  (Samsung... Seagate... today's hard  
drive is brought to you by the letter 'S'.)

Here's an article discussing the problem:

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/01/seagate-offers-firmware-fix-for-faulty-hard-drives.ars

-- JP


On Feb 11, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Sean wrote:
> Good thing it's a Seagate!  :)
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Carlos Bragatto
> <carlos.bragatto at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sean be aware that those latest 750GB, 1TB, 1.5TB drives from  
>> Samsung are
>> corrupting data, be sure to search for the free firmware update  
>> before
>> starting to store data on it !



From carlos.bragatto at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 20:39:13 2009
From: carlos.bragatto at gmail.com (Carlos Bragatto)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:39:13 -0200
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <51A18839-D6F5-4C8A-B21C-BDFF5C7EC1F3@gmail.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<16bae8870902111634j1a28425of41623b8e99ca878@mail.gmail.com>
	<9efa17da0902111703u24826aa0yb5df376e734c8c55@mail.gmail.com>
	<51A18839-D6F5-4C8A-B21C-BDFF5C7EC1F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16bae8870902111739o7ac36681m309024f34c13a0c8@mail.gmail.com>

Exact, Mr. SAMSON !!!!
Samsung, Seagate, Samson !

Carlos


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:37 PM, J.P. Samson
<jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think Carlos means Seagate.  (Samsung... Seagate... today's hard drive is
> brought to you by the letter 'S'.)
>
> Here's an article discussing the problem:
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/01/seagate-offers-firmware-fix-for-faulty-hard-drives.ars
>
> -- JP
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Sean wrote:
>
>> Good thing it's a Seagate!  :)
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Carlos Bragatto
>> <carlos.bragatto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sean be aware that those latest 750GB, 1TB, 1.5TB drives from Samsung are
>>> corrupting data, be sure to search for the free firmware update before
>>> starting to store data on it !
>>>
>>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 21:06:20 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:06:20 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Coco games copyright
References: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <85E8DFE3DDC3425683EB4B93F2230EB7@NewBaby>


At the risk of having Frank Durda IV hunt me down, here's an old post of 
his, archived on Google:

From: Frank Durda IV (........ at nemesis.lonestar.org)
Subject: Re: Why Did Tandy stop making computers
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Date: 1999/02/13

All Tandy intellectual property related to its computer products, which
includes designs, software, and related patents, was sold on July 1st, 1993
to AST Research, later renamed AST Computers.  AST immediately got in
financial trouble and obtained loans in exchange for company ownership
from Samsung Electronics of South Korea.  By 1995, Samsung became the 
majority
shareholder due to the increasing loans and in early 1997 finally obtained
all of AST.  At this point, these rights transferred to Samsung, as AST 
simply
became a division (or more accurately, a marketing name) for Samsung.

In December of 1998, Samsung gave up on AST and sold their AST divisions
name and "intellectual property rights" to a group of investors, headed by 
the
former head of Packard Bell, who plan to sell computer products under the 
AST
name.  In theory, that means the old Tandy rights passed to "AST Mark II" at
this point, but someone will actually have to ask Samsung whether that stuff
was in the deal.

In late 1996, I had a general agreement from the President of AST to release
the old Tandy material to the public domain, including all software that
didn't use Microsoft Windows.  However, AST lawyers got involved and citing 
a
baseless fear of releasing something to the public domain that might cause
them a legal liability, they buried the project when it was only a few days
from being a press release.  Shortly after, AST became Samsung, and all 
future
mails on the subject always ended-up in the Samsung/AST legal department. 
If
I got any reply at all, it was a "we still have reservations about this but
will investigate the matter" form letter.

Considering that AST did not ever use any of the patents or technology 
obtained
from Tandy that was older than 1991 (apart from a few patents used in a TI 
vs
AST lawsuit defense that had been used the same way in the TI vs Tandy 
lawsuit
a few years earlier), nor did AST attempt any serious search for this sort
of material at the time (I was there and they were more interested in other
trivial things), this stuff is essentially abandoned and the ownership 
rights
are not being enforced at all.

Therefore, AST Mark II or Samsung technically do own these Tandy items but
could probably never prove such ownership or even knowledge of ownership in
any court.   At last check, you have to know it exists and it is yours to be
able to claim something is yours.   You can't draw a big circle and claim
everything inside the circle is yours.  USL vs BSDI and UC proved that
argument was very flawed.

AST Mark II (or Samsung) would have to spend way too much money determining
who actually owned a given ball to sue anybody over it.


As to the older ROMs, I can't speak for the CoCo side of the shop (some
contained Microsoft and some contained Microware code), but two of the 
"real"
Model III ROMs and the Level II Model I ROM contained code acknowledged to
originally be a licensed Microsoft product but there is Tandy-originated
code in there too.  The Model III ROMs that came with the Model 4, 4D and
the disk image for the 4P were NOT (I repeat again NOT) a Microsoft product,
and these had a Tandy Copyright.  Tandy deliberately reverse-engineered,
modified and released their own version of the ROM and Disk BASIC, due to a
royalty dispute that had been brewing between Tandy and Microsoft for
about two years.  This happened prior to me getting into the system software
group, but I was told at the time that the last year or so of Model III
production III systems had this "Microsoft-free" code in them as well.
The key people who worked on that "Microsoft-free" project are now both
deceased (Ron Light - whose name you will find in early Model IV ROMs, see
the string "RON" - and George Robertson).  Dave Cozad also worked on the
no-Microsoft code at various times prior to 1983 and I took over work on it
around the fall of 1983, long after Ron and George had moved on to other
projects.

For Model IIIs, the "C" ROM was always a pure-Tandy creation.  Only the
"B" ROM and part of the "A" ROM were ever something licensed from Microsoft.
All three ROMs (and later two) on the Model 4s were all code that Tandy
claimed full ownership of.


Tandy, in selling the store to AST back in 1993, got the right to continue 
to
support their customers, and that was taken to mean (by Tandy) that Tandy
could make and sell replacement disks for operating systems and things owned
by Tandy.  However, Tandy got greedy and started making copies of anything
they had ever sold, regardless of who wrote it and who held the copyright,
including products that Tandy never actually duplicated/manufactured, like
SCO for PCs.  Microsoft, Lotus, Borland and lots of other people could have
sued Tandy big-time over the replacement disk program, particularly after
Tandy stopped looking for proof of purchase before selling anybody a $7 copy
of anything, but the rightful owners didn't sue Tandy, at least not yet.


Frank Durda IV



From alsplace at pobox.com  Wed Feb 11 21:35:15 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:35:15 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <85E8DFE3DDC3425683EB4B93F2230EB7@NewBaby>
References: <26281.2989.qm@web52305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<85E8DFE3DDC3425683EB4B93F2230EB7@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <7912FE39-3587-4FB5-9D62-14C717A9F779@pobox.com>

On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Neil Morrison wrote:
> At the risk of having Frank Durda IV hunt me down, here's an old  
> post of his, archived on Google:
>
> From: Frank Durda IV (........ at nemesis.lonestar.org)
> Subject: Re: Why Did Tandy stop making computers
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
> Date: 1999/02/13

Wow, that's the first time I've ever seen that -- if it's been posted  
here before, I'm sorry I missed it. What an interesting story! And  
from so long ago. Wow.

		-- Allen



From operator at coco3.com  Wed Feb 11 21:49:42 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:49:42 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090212025014.AA9FC20A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 06:31 PM 2/11/2009, you wrote:
>Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
>I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
>That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand 
>though! :)


>It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.

It's scary, too.  The bigger these storage devices get, the more we 
lose in a crash.  Things are getting more and more vunerable to zaps, 
theft, and just plain losing things because they're too small.

I'm 40 years old and none of the new ideas and gadgets seem to raise 
my eyebrows anymore.  We've just got too much for our own good.

Eventually we'll have newspapers with videos on the paper, 
insanely-super-high-def 3-D TVs without the glasses, and cheap home 
telescopes that can see a pebble sitting on the surface of some 
planet in another galaxy or see the light coming from the beginning 
of the universe.  At the rate we're going none of the above would 
surprise me if we had it.  But the scariest thought yet is when they 
come up with a way to wirelessly store data in our own brain.  I'm 
sure somebody out there is working on that one.  :)


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Thu Feb 12 00:53:30 2009
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:53:30 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <20090212025014.AA9FC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090212025014.AA9FC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4993B95A.1020304@embarqmail.com>

Roger Taylor wrote:

> It's scary, too.  The bigger these storage devices get, the more we lose 
> in a crash.  Things are getting more and more vunerable to zaps, theft, 
> and just plain losing things because they're too small.
from the pulp scifi mags in the 50s and early 60s.
Mankind learned how to notch molecules to store memory. Then how to 
notch  atoms, then how to notch electrons. They put all the worlds 
knowledge on to a 2 inch cube and promptly lost all the knowledge 
overboard in a storm.

> 
> Eventually we'll have newspapers with videos on the paper, 
Saw that back in the 50s also

> insanely-super-high-def 3-D TVs without the glasses,
holograms

see the light coming from the beginning of the
> universe. 
Recently discovery was a roar in the universe. Don't know what is it or 
where it comes from but it is in all directions. Speculations is that it 
is an echo from the big bang.

At the rate we're going none of the above would surprise me
> if we had it.  But the scariest thought yet is when they come up with a 
> way to wirelessly store data in our own brain.  I'm sure somebody out 
> there is working on that one.  :)

Movie: Johnny Mnemonic





From smostrom7 at comcast.net  Thu Feb 12 00:55:51 2009
From: smostrom7 at comcast.net (Steve Ostrom)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:55:51 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <BC22368B0354428D843DD2B45D7A9ECD@OstromPC>

Same here.  I'm 60.  We actually paid huge bucks for the 16K unit as soon as 
they were available in the Twin Cities.

-- Steve --

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <Coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: [Coco] Old techies


> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and 
> a
> cassette recorder)
>
>
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 01:13:38 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:13:38 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009a01c98cd9$0bd4d820$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean"
> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand 
> though! :)
>
> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
>


 From this post onto the next, we have removed the original intent.

 What you are refering to is called "The Quickening"
  It is real and it is dangerous.
 Let's change the subject line to "The Quickening" and then we won't be 
corrupting the original topic of "Old Techies"

Please

George



From coconutcowboy2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 22:53:27 2009
From: coconutcowboy2002 at yahoo.com (coconutcowboy2002)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:53:27 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: CoCo Items Available
In-Reply-To: <486D2102.10502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gn06fn+hpqj@eGroups.com>

is it still available?

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, Rich <rms24g at ...> wrote:
>
> My Coco stuff has been in storage for about 10 years and I've 
decided
> it's time to get rid of it all because I'm never going to use it 
again.


From badfrog at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 01:51:22 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:51:22 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <009a01c98cd9$0bd4d820$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<009a01c98cd9$0bd4d820$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0902112251l91c32ebq4af0689124e5168a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm guessing you're referring to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/bell-quickening.html
Sorry, not using this list for propaganda.  That has no place here.

I just wanted to remember being amazed at how I could NEVER fill up 20 megs!


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM, George Ramsower
<georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean"
>>
>> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
>> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
>> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand
>> though! :)
>>
>> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
>>
>
>
> From this post onto the next, we have removed the original intent.
>
> What you are refering to is called "The Quickening"
>  It is real and it is dangerous.
> Let's change the subject line to "The Quickening" and then we won't be
> corrupting the original topic of "Old Techies"
>
> Please
>
> George
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 01:58:43 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:58:43 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Off Topic> Old techies
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com><9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com><009a01c98cd9$0bd4d820$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<9efa17da0902112251l91c32ebq4af0689124e5168a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a501c98cdf$588ad920$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

Oh, heck! I have to craeate an account there. Ain't gonna happen!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean" <badfrog at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies


> I'm guessing you're referring to this:
> http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/bell-quickening.html
> Sorry, not using this list for propaganda.  That has no place here.
>
> I just wanted to remember being amazed at how I could NEVER fill up 20 
> megs!
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM, George Ramsower
> <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean"
>>>
>>> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
>>> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
>>> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand
>>> though! :)
>>>
>>> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
>>>
>>
>>
>> From this post onto the next, we have removed the original intent.
>>
>> What you are refering to is called "The Quickening"
>>  It is real and it is dangerous.
>> Let's change the subject line to "The Quickening" and then we won't be
>> corrupting the original topic of "Old Techies"
>>
>> Please
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
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From badfrog at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 02:02:23 2009
From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:02:23 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Off Topic> Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00a501c98cdf$588ad920$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<009a01c98cd9$0bd4d820$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<9efa17da0902112251l91c32ebq4af0689124e5168a@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a501c98cdf$588ad920$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <9efa17da0902112302m760f8e0fi887d255e2dc93d6b@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, my google search gave a link that resulted in a cached page..
Didn't know the link would require a login...

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:LcUiphDjMDAJ:www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/bell-quickening.html+the+quickening&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=firefox-a

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 AM, George Ramsower
<georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, heck! I have to craeate an account there. Ain't gonna happen!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean" <badfrog at gmail.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
>
>
>> I'm guessing you're referring to this:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/bell-quickening.html
>> Sorry, not using this list for propaganda.  That has no place here.
>>
>> I just wanted to remember being amazed at how I could NEVER fill up 20
>> megs!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM, George Ramsower
>> <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean"
>>>>
>>>> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
>>>> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
>>>> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand
>>>> though! :)
>>>>
>>>> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From this post onto the next, we have removed the original intent.
>>>
>>> What you are refering to is called "The Quickening"
>>>  It is real and it is dangerous.
>>> Let's change the subject line to "The Quickening" and then we won't be
>>> corrupting the original topic of "Old Techies"
>>>
>>> Please
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>
>> --
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>
>
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From paulej at arid.us  Thu Feb 12 02:05:49 2009
From: paulej at arid.us (Paul E. Jones)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:05:49 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Off Topic> Old techies
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0902112302m760f8e0fi887d255e2dc93d6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>	<009a01c98cd9$0bd4d820$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<9efa17da0902112251l91c32ebq4af0689124e5168a@mail.gmail.com>	<00a501c98cdf$588ad920$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<9efa17da0902112302m760f8e0fi887d255e2dc93d6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c98ce0$55d7aa90$0186ffb0$@us>

Wow... and what Google did is not considered piracy?  I can see everything
perfectly, including the "(C) 1997 Art Bell All rights reserved".

I need the copyright laws explained to me again, I guess.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Sean
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:02 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Off Topic> Old techies
> 
> Sorry, my google search gave a link that resulted in a cached page..
> Didn't know the link would require a login...
> 
> http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:LcUiphDjMDAJ:www.nytimes.com/books/
> first/b/bell-
> quickening.html+the+quickening&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=firefox-
> a
> 
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 AM, George Ramsower
> <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh, heck! I have to craeate an account there. Ain't gonna happen!
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean" <badfrog at gmail.com>
> > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
> >
> >
> >> I'm guessing you're referring to this:
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/bell-quickening.html
> >> Sorry, not using this list for propaganda.  That has no place here.
> >>
> >> I just wanted to remember being amazed at how I could NEVER fill up
> 20
> >> megs!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM, George Ramsower
> >> <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean"
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo
> days.
> >>>> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
> >>>> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same
> brand
> >>>> though! :)
> >>>>
> >>>> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From this post onto the next, we have removed the original intent.
> >>>
> >>> What you are refering to is called "The Quickening"
> >>>  It is real and it is dangerous.
> >>> Let's change the subject line to "The Quickening" and then we won't
> be
> >>> corrupting the original topic of "Old Techies"
> >>>
> >>> Please
> >>>
> >>> George
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Coco mailing list
> >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>>
> >>
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From lamune at doki-doki.net  Thu Feb 12 02:31:49 2009
From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:31:49 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <gmv6pp+s2f4@eGroups.com>
References: <gmv6pp+s2f4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CD3@fenestra.lamunet.local>

Cloud9 should have the 6309's

 

The clock rate of a CoCo 3 is fixed and cannot be bumped up to anything
appreciably faster. The best you can do is insert additional clocks
during internal processing time (AVMA cycles) - see Sockmaster's site
for his circuit that accomplishes this.

 

The "emulation" mode and the native mode are switched via a bit. I'd
check the Wikipedia article on the 6309 for some links that may explain
this in more detail.

 

IMHO the 6309 upgrade's biggest benefit is the lower power consumption. 

 

From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Bush
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:53 AM
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Color Computer] Hitachi 6309 questions

 

Where can I get a 6309 upgrade pack for my 512K CoCo 3? I would like
to be able to run it at 3.5 MHz at least, preferably 5 MHz. Can the
CoCo memory and the rest of the motherboard handle such speeds?



NitrOS-9 looks great, but there is also a lot of great CoCo software
out there designed for RS-DOS. Specifically, Max-10 word processor,
CoCoMax 3 graphics editor, and lots of games. I understand the 6309
has an emulation mode versus a native mode, but how does the user
switch between these modes? Could 6809 software inadvertently switch
modes, resulting in possibly buggy behavior?

Thanks!

David



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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Feb 12 03:47:54 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:47:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <16bae8870902111634j1a28425of41623b8e99ca878@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<16bae8870902111634j1a28425of41623b8e99ca878@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902120347.54703.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Carlos Bragatto wrote:
>Sean be aware that those latest 750GB, 1TB, 1.5TB drives from Samsung are
>corrupting data, be sure to search for the free firmware update before
>starting to store data on it !
>Carlos
>PS: Actually it HIDES the data from the user, there's a second tool that
>unhides the data (all from Samsung)

Put those same sizes of Seagate drives in the needs fixed category.  Mine 
hadn't done anything odd that I know of, but doing the firmware update 
doubled its speed, which was nice.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Clear the laundromat!!  This whirl-o-matic just had a nuclear meltdown!!


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Feb 12 03:53:09 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:53:09 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0902111703u24826aa0yb5df376e734c8c55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
	<16bae8870902111634j1a28425of41623b8e99ca878@mail.gmail.com>
	<9efa17da0902111703u24826aa0yb5df376e734c8c55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902120353.11613.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Sean wrote:
>Good thing it's a Seagate!  :)

No it isn't.  It could brick itself on the next power up if the firmware 
hasn't been updated.  Go to the Seagate web site where there are instructions 
as to how to determine if your drive is good or bad, if bad, follow the 
instructions on how to download the fix and apply it.  You will need a cd 
burner as its an .iso file that you put in the drive and set the bios to boot 
from it.  Everything is automatic on the reboot.  And the update doubled the 
speed of my 500GB Seagate sata drive.

>On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Carlos Bragatto
>
><carlos.bragatto at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sean be aware that those latest 750GB, 1TB, 1.5TB drives from Samsung are
>> corrupting data, be sure to search for the free firmware update before
>> starting to store data on it !
>> Carlos
>> PS: Actually it HIDES the data from the user, there's a second tool that
>> unhides the data (all from Samsung)
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Sean <badfrog at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
>>> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
>>> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand
>>> though! :)
>>>
>>> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>> > Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60,
>>> > and had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby
>>> > basic"
>>>
>>> and a
>>>
>>> > cassette recorder)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ______________________________________
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>>> >
>>> > Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
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>>> >
>>> >
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>>>
>>> --
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Clear the laundromat!!  This whirl-o-matic just had a nuclear meltdown!!


From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Thu Feb 12 05:27:54 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:27:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Off Topic> Old techies
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com><9efa17da0902111631k5a5deb98u2179c272831bb53c@mail.gmail.com><009a01c98cd9$0bd4d820$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE><9efa17da0902112251l91c32ebq4af0689124e5168a@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a501c98cdf$588ad920$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <7872E99BF8124393BA55B90C40CF722E@speedy>

You mean I'm not the only paranoid "old fart" here?
Bruce W.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" 



> Oh, heck! I have to craeate an account there. Ain't gonna happen!
> ----- Original Message ----- 


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Thu Feb 12 07:28:25 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:28:25 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] march rainbow 1991 scanned
Message-ID: <gn14l9+tns9@eGroups.com>

just finished this one, size is about 167 megabytes

pc says its gout about 3 hours to go to upload



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 07:50:02 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:50:02 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Tandy CM-5 Color RGB Computer Monitor
Message-ID: <004101c98d10$6c493520$44db9f60$@rr.com>

I know the CM-8 was the CoCo3 monitor, but refresh my memory-will the CM5
work for the CoCo as well?

Thanks

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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Feb 12 10:34:50 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Tandy CM-5 Color RGB Computer Monitor
In-Reply-To: <004101c98d10$6c493520$44db9f60$@rr.com>
References: <004101c98d10$6c493520$44db9f60$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <200902121034.50076.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 12 February 2009, Bill wrote:
>I know the CM-8 was the CoCo3 monitor, but refresh my memory-will the CM5
>work for the CoCo as well?
>
Not that I know of, AIR, its an RGB TTL level monitor, 2 pins in the connector 
for each color.  The gime was never bonded out to drive anything like that.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
You just wait, I'll sin till I blow up!
		-- Dylan Thomas


From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 11:36:49 2009
From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:36:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-DS7A3C030FB7D8D4ED12F7CD9BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <918687.39380.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi, i'm not sure why I can't see my responses to these post but here goes. The reason I was asking is because I'm starting to develop some games for the Ipod platform and I thought it would be cool to convert some of the Coco games.

I'm developing in Object-C so i'm not sure how easy it would be to do the whole emulator, but making some clones of some good game would help me to get a good start on the platform and keep the coco games going. 



--- On Wed, 2/11/09, John <johnguin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: John <johnguin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 4:55 PM
> Would it be easier to port MESS or some other emulator and
> get the entire
> COCO library in one fell swoop?
> 
> To be clear, I have NO idea how easy/hard that would be.  I
> just wanted to
> ask what was an obvious (to me) question.
> 
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of Allen Huffman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:38 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was) Coco games copyright
> 
> Ben, which platform?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
> 
> On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Ben Jimenez
> <ben_jimenez at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > well that more then answers my question. I am think
> about cloning  
> > some games. I guess I should try to contact the
> authors once I  
> > determine which one(s) I want to port over to a mobile
> platform.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games
> copyright
> >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer
> Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:01 PM
> >> James Hrubik wrote:
> >>> Why am I waiting with bated breath, holding my
> finger
> >> over the DELETE
> >>> key...
> >>>
> >>> Maybe each newbie should get an email from
> Dennis with
> >> something to
> >>> the effect that discussions of religion,
> politics, and
> >> copyrights
> >>> should be avoided because they are equally
> likely to
> >> start flame wars.
> >>>
> >>> (Sorry, Joel.  I know you just wanted to help
> the guy,
> >> but I can't
> >>> help thinking you were just trolled.)
> >>>
> >> Maybe so.  But I've now said all I have to say
> on the
> >> matter, and I
> >> won't respond to insults or taunts.  Nothing
> anybody
> >> can say to me on
> >> this list can be worse than things I've been
> told in
> >> person.
> >>
> >> JCE
> >>> On Feb 11, 2009, at Wednesday, February 11,
> 2009 -
> >> 1:51 PM, Joel Ewy
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ben Jimenez wrote:
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was thinking of converting some Coco
> games
> >> over to a new platform,
> >>>>> but was wondering what the copyright
> was on
> >> them now?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- 
> >>>>> Coco mailing list
> >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>>>>
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Copyright is forever.  Well, not quite
> forever.
> >> It's the life of the
> >>>> author plus 70 years plus the amount of
> time since
> >> Walt Disney died, or
> >>>> something like that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Seriously, it isn't like patents,
> which expire
> >> in 17 years.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are a number of authors of CoCo
> games who
> >> have given permission
> >>>> for their programs to be distributed for
> free,
> >> often with certain
> >>>> restrictions, such as "you may not
> charge for
> >> a copy", etc.  This does
> >>>> not mean that they have renounced their
> copyright
> >> and put the programs
> >>>> in the public domain, only that they are
> using
> >> their copyright to
> >>>> specify the terms under which their works
> can be
> >> copied.
> >>>>
> >>>> L. Curtis Boyle has received permission to
> make
> >> some of these games
> >>>> available for download from his web site,
> and has
> >> documented the
> >>>> permissions he has.  Since these authors
> have
> >> given some enhanced
> >>>> permissions for their works, they might be
> >> amenable to discussing a
> >>>> port.  You'd just have to get in touch
> with
> >> them and see.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, if you're just talking
> about
> >> writing your own clone of their
> >>>> original game, you don't need to get
> any
> >> permission or worry about
> >>>> copyright, unless you directly copy stuff
> from the
> >> game, or use
> >>>> trademarked names and so on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now since these things are pretty old, and
> many of
> >> the old authors
> >>>> aren't involved with the CoCo anymore,
> you
> >> might get away with just
> >>>> appropriating it, but of course you'd
> be doing
> >> so at the risk that they
> >>>> would take notice and threaten a lawsuit. 
> How
> >> likely that would be
> >>>> would probably depend on how you use it. 
> If you
> >> are trying to sell
> >>>> copies of a game that blatantly steals
> their
> >> copyrighted materials, they
> >>>> would probably be more likely to take
> offense, or
> >> take action.  If you
> >>>> do it for fun and give it away for free,
> and
> >> position it as a fan paying
> >>>> tribute to a great game of the past, they
> may not
> >> care, and might even
> >>>> feel honored that their old work has been
> >> remembered.  On the other
> >>>> hand, they might still be perfectly within
> their
> >> rights to sue you.  Do
> >>>> so at your own risk.
> >>>>
> >>>> One other factor is that for most of these
> >> programs there's no economic
> >>>> benefit to be gained from suing you. 
> It's not
> >> as if you're depriving
> >>>> them of any significant potential income
> from
> >> these 20+ years old
> >>>> programs.  But for some people it may be a
> matter
> >> of principle.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, there may be some CoCo games out
> there that
> >> are really Open Source,
> >>>> or something approximating that.  Those
> you should
> >> be able to port more
> >>>> freely.  But for those that aren't you
> are
> >> either going to have to
> >>>> disassemble them or contact the original
> author
> >> and see if the source
> >>>> code is still around.
> >>>>
> >>>> JCE
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Coco mailing list
> >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>>>
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Coco mailing list
> >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> > --
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> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
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> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 
> 
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 11:57:03 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:57:03 -0500
Subject: [Coco] New CoCo board
Message-ID: <005301c98d32$f0a583b0$d1f08b10$@rr.com>

I don't know if it is permitted to post here or not, but I've started a new
Color Computer lovers forum.

A Taste of CoCo is online.
http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php

We're new and still need to add forums and topics. Suggestions are welcome
for forum topics.

I'd love to see everyone there, and have them share their knowledge and
experiences with our beloved little machine.

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From alsplace at pobox.com  Thu Feb 12 12:16:06 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:16:06 -0600
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <918687.39380.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <918687.39380.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CF1A3D0D-EA08-434C-ACA0-A0C260C50382@pobox.com>

A few CoCo games have lived on after the CoCo. Color Outhouse was  
supposed to be ported to the PC via someone posting to this list years  
ago, and a few other authors eventually did PC games.

I, too, will be starting iPhone/iPod Touch development soon and plan  
to port some coco projects. Should be fun!

Sent from my iPhone
Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman

On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Ben Jimenez <ben_jimenez at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi, i'm not sure why I can't see my responses to these post but here  
> goes. The reason I was asking is because I'm starting to develop  
> some games for the Ipod platform and I thought it would be cool to  
> convert some of the Coco games.
>
> I'm developing in Object-C so i'm not sure how easy it would be to  
> do the whole emulator, but making some clones of some good game  
> would help me to get a good start on the platform and keep the coco  
> games going.
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, John <johnguin at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: John <johnguin at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
>> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'"  
>> <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 4:55 PM
>> Would it be easier to port MESS or some other emulator and
>> get the entire
>> COCO library in one fell swoop?
>>
>> To be clear, I have NO idea how easy/hard that would be.  I
>> just wanted to
>> ask what was an obvious (to me) question.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
>> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
>> Behalf Of Allen Huffman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:38 PM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was) Coco games copyright
>>
>> Ben, which platform?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Ben Jimenez
>> <ben_jimenez at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> well that more then answers my question. I am think
>> about cloning
>>> some games. I guess I should try to contact the
>> authors once I
>>> determine which one(s) I want to port over to a mobile
>> platform.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games
>> copyright
>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer
>> Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:01 PM
>>>> James Hrubik wrote:
>>>>> Why am I waiting with bated breath, holding my
>> finger
>>>> over the DELETE
>>>>> key...
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe each newbie should get an email from
>> Dennis with
>>>> something to
>>>>> the effect that discussions of religion,
>> politics, and
>>>> copyrights
>>>>> should be avoided because they are equally
>> likely to
>>>> start flame wars.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Sorry, Joel.  I know you just wanted to help
>> the guy,
>>>> but I can't
>>>>> help thinking you were just trolled.)
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe so.  But I've now said all I have to say
>> on the
>>>> matter, and I
>>>> won't respond to insults or taunts.  Nothing
>> anybody
>>>> can say to me on
>>>> this list can be worse than things I've been
>> told in
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> JCE
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2009, at Wednesday, February 11,
>> 2009 -
>>>> 1:51 PM, Joel Ewy
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben Jimenez wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was thinking of converting some Coco
>> games
>>>> over to a new platform,
>>>>>>> but was wondering what the copyright
>> was on
>>>> them now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>>>>
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Copyright is forever.  Well, not quite
>> forever.
>>>> It's the life of the
>>>>>> author plus 70 years plus the amount of
>> time since
>>>> Walt Disney died, or
>>>>>> something like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously, it isn't like patents,
>> which expire
>>>> in 17 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a number of authors of CoCo
>> games who
>>>> have given permission
>>>>>> for their programs to be distributed for
>> free,
>>>> often with certain
>>>>>> restrictions, such as "you may not
>> charge for
>>>> a copy", etc.  This does
>>>>>> not mean that they have renounced their
>> copyright
>>>> and put the programs
>>>>>> in the public domain, only that they are
>> using
>>>> their copyright to
>>>>>> specify the terms under which their works
>> can be
>>>> copied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> L. Curtis Boyle has received permission to
>> make
>>>> some of these games
>>>>>> available for download from his web site,
>> and has
>>>> documented the
>>>>>> permissions he has.  Since these authors
>> have
>>>> given some enhanced
>>>>>> permissions for their works, they might be
>>>> amenable to discussing a
>>>>>> port.  You'd just have to get in touch
>> with
>>>> them and see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, if you're just talking
>> about
>>>> writing your own clone of their
>>>>>> original game, you don't need to get
>> any
>>>> permission or worry about
>>>>>> copyright, unless you directly copy stuff
>> from the
>>>> game, or use
>>>>>> trademarked names and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now since these things are pretty old, and
>> many of
>>>> the old authors
>>>>>> aren't involved with the CoCo anymore,
>> you
>>>> might get away with just
>>>>>> appropriating it, but of course you'd
>> be doing
>>>> so at the risk that they
>>>>>> would take notice and threaten a lawsuit.
>> How
>>>> likely that would be
>>>>>> would probably depend on how you use it.
>> If you
>>>> are trying to sell
>>>>>> copies of a game that blatantly steals
>> their
>>>> copyrighted materials, they
>>>>>> would probably be more likely to take
>> offense, or
>>>> take action.  If you
>>>>>> do it for fun and give it away for free,
>> and
>>>> position it as a fan paying
>>>>>> tribute to a great game of the past, they
>> may not
>>>> care, and might even
>>>>>> feel honored that their old work has been
>>>> remembered.  On the other
>>>>>> hand, they might still be perfectly within
>> their
>>>> rights to sue you.  Do
>>>>>> so at your own risk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One other factor is that for most of these
>>>> programs there's no economic
>>>>>> benefit to be gained from suing you.
>> It's not
>>>> as if you're depriving
>>>>>> them of any significant potential income
>> from
>>>> these 20+ years old
>>>>>> programs.  But for some people it may be a
>> matter
>>>> of principle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, there may be some CoCo games out
>> there that
>>>> are really Open Source,
>>>>>> or something approximating that.  Those
>> you should
>>>> be able to port more
>>>>>> freely.  But for those that aren't you
>> are
>>>> either going to have to
>>>>>> disassemble them or contact the original
>> author
>>>> and see if the source
>>>>>> code is still around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JCE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>>>
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Thu Feb 12 13:38:56 2009
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:38:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6.1234419212.28945.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.6.1234419212.28945.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49946CC0.5090903@usfamily.net>

> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:49:42 -0600
> From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <20090212025014.AA9FC20A13 at qs281.pair.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 06:31 PM 2/11/2009, you wrote:

> >> Here's something kind of funny, sort of relating to the old CoCo days.
> >> I'm currently formatting my newest PC hard drive, 1.5 TB.
> >> That's only 75,000 times bigger than my good old ST-225.  Same brand 
> >> though!  :) 
>   
>
>
>

> >> It boggles the mind sometimes how fast tech is advancing.
>   
>
> It's scary, too.  The bigger these storage devices get, the more we 
> lose in a crash.  Things are getting more and more vunerable to zaps, 
> theft, and just plain losing things because they're too small.
>
> I'm 40 years old and none of the new ideas and gadgets seem to raise 
> my eyebrows anymore.  We've just got too much for our own good.
>
> Eventually we'll have newspapers with videos on the paper, 
> insanely-super-high-def 3-D TVs without the glasses, and cheap home 
> telescopes that can see a pebble sitting on the surface of some 
> planet in another galaxy or see the light coming from the beginning 
> of the universe.  At the rate we're going none of the above would 
> surprise me if we had it.  But the scariest thought yet is when they 
> come up with a way to wirelessly store data in our own brain.  I'm 
> sure somebody out there is working on that one.   :) 

 > -- > Roger Taylor I'm an avid science fiction fan, as I'm sure some 
of you are as well. I've read a lot of older sci-fi from the '40's, 
'50's, '60's and '70's, and two things that I find that sci-fi authors 
back then usually got wrong when attempting to predict advancements in 
technology, was human spaceflight and computers. They tended to 
overestimate our rate of advancement in human spaceflight (they were 
predicting colonies on Mars by now, and here we are still stuck in lower 
Earth orbit). They tended to UNDERESTIMATE advancement in computers. We 
have cell phones now that appear more powerful than Kirk's communicators 
in Star Trek's 23rd Century. Advancement in computer technology has far 
outpaced what old sci-fi writers predicted. Fred Provoncha Stansbury 
Park, UT



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From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Thu Feb 12 14:07:06 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:07:06 -0700
Subject: [Coco] guy who wants coco parts
Message-ID: <20090212190705.GA27556@virgo.sdc.org>

To the guy who was looking for CoCo parts:

I lost your email, please reply again.

Sorry,
Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From twixt at cstone.net  Thu Feb 12 11:14:52 2009
From: twixt at cstone.net (David Bush)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:14:52 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CD3@fenestra.lamunet.local>
Message-ID: <gn1hts+ku69@eGroups.com>

-> Cloud9 should have the 6309's

Sorry, I missed that line, thanks. The Cloud9 website answered my
questions about installating the 6309 CPU.

I'm still looking for the assembler instruction to set the MD
register, though...



From twixt at cstone.net  Thu Feb 12 09:52:42 2009
From: twixt at cstone.net (David Bush)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:52:42 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CD3@fenestra.lamunet.local>
Message-ID: <gn1d3q+ga96@eGroups.com>

Okay, thanks, but I would still like to know how to add a 6309 CPU to
my CoCo. Do I just remove the 6809 and drop in the 6309? Is this
something someone with minimal hardware experience should attempt? Are
there instructions anywhere on the Net? Where can I get a 6309
appropriate for the CoCo?

I realize that bit 0 of the MD register should be set to 0 for
emulation mode and 1 for native mode. But how do I set it? The TFR
command does not seem to work; its postbyte uses 4 bits to specify the
source register and 4 bits for the destination register. All 16
possibilities are used for other registers. Similarly, the BAND BOR
BIAND BIOR bit-transfer commands do not seem to work. EXG I'm not sure
about.

Thanks for your patience!

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Mike Pepe" <lamune at ...> wrote:
>
> Cloud9 should have the 6309's


From curtisboyle at sasktel.net  Thu Feb 12 14:27:26 2009
From: curtisboyle at sasktel.net (L. Curtis Boyle)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:27:26 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <gn1hts+ku69@eGroups.com>
References: <gn1hts+ku69@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <op.uo86z0xtmuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:14:52 -0600, David Bush <twixt at cstone.net> wrote:

There is a separate opcode for LDMD that allows you to set the  
native/emulation mode bit, and the FIRQ normal/push all registers bit.  
There is a 6309 reference on the net that should give you the opcode for  
it. There is also one for trapping illegal instructions and division by 0.

> -> Cloud9 should have the 6309's
>
> Sorry, I missed that line, thanks. The Cloud9 website answered my
> questions about installating the 6309 CPU.
>
> I'm still looking for the assembler instruction to set the MD
> register, though...
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
L. Curtis Boyle


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 14:28:23 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:28:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <gn1d3q+ga96@eGroups.com>
References: <gn1d3q+ga96@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902121426060.7810@duo>

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, David Bush wrote:

> Okay, thanks, but I would still like to know how to add a 6309 CPU to
> my CoCo. Do I just remove the 6809 and drop in the 6309? Is this
> something someone with minimal hardware experience should attempt?

Unless you have extremely good technical skills, my advice would be not to 
attempt it yourself.  I have almost 40 years of electronic bench 
experience and still managed to tear a trace while getting the old CPU 
out.  It's not a lot of fun, trust me.



-- 


From lamune at doki-doki.net  Thu Feb 12 14:47:59 2009
From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:47:59 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902121426060.7810@duo>
References: <gn1d3q+ga96@eGroups.com> <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902121426060.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B194@fenestra.lamunet.local>

I'd second that. I've done the same thing (mainly when trying to save
the 6809) - best way to do it is cut all the leads off and desolder them
one by one. 

Someone out there has an alternate method when you solder the 6309 on
top of the 6809 except for the TSC pin, which you can attach to a
switch. You can then boot up with either the 6809 or 6309 active. I
haven't done this myself but I think it would be simpler than the
desolder method.

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com]
On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:28 AM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Hitachi 6309 questions

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, David Bush wrote:

> Okay, thanks, but I would still like to know how to add a 6309 CPU to
> my CoCo. Do I just remove the 6809 and drop in the 6309? Is this
> something someone with minimal hardware experience should attempt?

Unless you have extremely good technical skills, my advice would be not
to 
attempt it yourself.  I have almost 40 years of electronic bench 
experience and still managed to tear a trace while getting the old CPU 
out.  It's not a lot of fun, trust me.



-- 

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 15:18:18 2009
From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:18:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
In-Reply-To: <CF1A3D0D-EA08-434C-ACA0-A0C260C50382@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <477242.31412.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Allen,

Yeah, I agree, it can become quite a thrill distributing an app onto a platform that can be played (and bought) by millions of IPod users. 

Ben





--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Allen Huffman <alsplace at pobox.com> wrote:

> From: Allen Huffman <alsplace at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 9:16 AM
> A few CoCo games have lived on after the CoCo. Color
> Outhouse was supposed to be ported to the PC via someone
> posting to this list years ago, and a few other authors
> eventually did PC games.
> 
> I, too, will be starting iPhone/iPod Touch development soon
> and plan to port some coco projects. Should be fun!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
> 
> On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Ben Jimenez
> <ben_jimenez at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi, i'm not sure why I can't see my responses
> to these post but here goes. The reason I was asking is
> because I'm starting to develop some games for the Ipod
> platform and I thought it would be cool to convert some of
> the Coco games.
> > 
> > I'm developing in Object-C so i'm not sure how
> easy it would be to do the whole emulator, but making some
> clones of some good game would help me to get a good start
> on the platform and keep the coco games going.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, John <johnguin at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: John <johnguin at hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games
> copyright
> >> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer
> Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 4:55 PM
> >> Would it be easier to port MESS or some other
> emulator and
> >> get the entire
> >> COCO library in one fell swoop?
> >> 
> >> To be clear, I have NO idea how easy/hard that
> would be.  I
> >> just wanted to
> >> ask what was an obvious (to me) question.
> >> 
> >> John
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
> >> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Allen Huffman
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:38 PM
> >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was) Coco games
> copyright
> >> 
> >> Ben, which platform?
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> Follow me on Twitter -
> http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
> >> 
> >> On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Ben Jimenez
> >> <ben_jimenez at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> well that more then answers my question. I am
> think
> >> about cloning
> >>> some games. I guess I should try to contact
> the
> >> authors once I
> >>> determine which one(s) I want to port over to
> a mobile
> >> platform.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Joel Ewy
> <jcewy at swbell.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games
> >> copyright
> >>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer
> >> Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:01
> PM
> >>>> James Hrubik wrote:
> >>>>> Why am I waiting with bated breath,
> holding my
> >> finger
> >>>> over the DELETE
> >>>>> key...
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Maybe each newbie should get an email
> from
> >> Dennis with
> >>>> something to
> >>>>> the effect that discussions of
> religion,
> >> politics, and
> >>>> copyrights
> >>>>> should be avoided because they are
> equally
> >> likely to
> >>>> start flame wars.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> (Sorry, Joel.  I know you just wanted
> to help
> >> the guy,
> >>>> but I can't
> >>>>> help thinking you were just trolled.)
> >>>>> 
> >>>> Maybe so.  But I've now said all I
> have to say
> >> on the
> >>>> matter, and I
> >>>> won't respond to insults or taunts. 
> Nothing
> >> anybody
> >>>> can say to me on
> >>>> this list can be worse than things
> I've been
> >> told in
> >>>> person.
> >>>> 
> >>>> JCE
> >>>>> On Feb 11, 2009, at Wednesday,
> February 11,
> >> 2009 -
> >>>> 1:51 PM, Joel Ewy
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Ben Jimenez wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I was thinking of converting
> some Coco
> >> games
> >>>> over to a new platform,
> >>>>>>> but was wondering what the
> copyright
> >> was on
> >>>> them now?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> --Coco mailing list
> >>>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>>>>>> 
> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Copyright is forever.  Well, not
> quite
> >> forever.
> >>>> It's the life of the
> >>>>>> author plus 70 years plus the
> amount of
> >> time since
> >>>> Walt Disney died, or
> >>>>>> something like that.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Seriously, it isn't like
> patents,
> >> which expire
> >>>> in 17 years.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> There are a number of authors of
> CoCo
> >> games who
> >>>> have given permission
> >>>>>> for their programs to be
> distributed for
> >> free,
> >>>> often with certain
> >>>>>> restrictions, such as "you
> may not
> >> charge for
> >>>> a copy", etc.  This does
> >>>>>> not mean that they have renounced
> their
> >> copyright
> >>>> and put the programs
> >>>>>> in the public domain, only that
> they are
> >> using
> >>>> their copyright to
> >>>>>> specify the terms under which
> their works
> >> can be
> >>>> copied.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> L. Curtis Boyle has received
> permission to
> >> make
> >>>> some of these games
> >>>>>> available for download from his
> web site,
> >> and has
> >>>> documented the
> >>>>>> permissions he has.  Since these
> authors
> >> have
> >>>> given some enhanced
> >>>>>> permissions for their works, they
> might be
> >>>> amenable to discussing a
> >>>>>> port.  You'd just have to get
> in touch
> >> with
> >>>> them and see.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Of course, if you're just
> talking
> >> about
> >>>> writing your own clone of their
> >>>>>> original game, you don't need
> to get
> >> any
> >>>> permission or worry about
> >>>>>> copyright, unless you directly
> copy stuff
> >> from the
> >>>> game, or use
> >>>>>> trademarked names and so on.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Now since these things are pretty
> old, and
> >> many of
> >>>> the old authors
> >>>>>> aren't involved with the CoCo
> anymore,
> >> you
> >>>> might get away with just
> >>>>>> appropriating it, but of course
> you'd
> >> be doing
> >>>> so at the risk that they
> >>>>>> would take notice and threaten a
> lawsuit.
> >> How
> >>>> likely that would be
> >>>>>> would probably depend on how you
> use it.
> >> If you
> >>>> are trying to sell
> >>>>>> copies of a game that blatantly
> steals
> >> their
> >>>> copyrighted materials, they
> >>>>>> would probably be more likely to
> take
> >> offense, or
> >>>> take action.  If you
> >>>>>> do it for fun and give it away for
> free,
> >> and
> >>>> position it as a fan paying
> >>>>>> tribute to a great game of the
> past, they
> >> may not
> >>>> care, and might even
> >>>>>> feel honored that their old work
> has been
> >>>> remembered.  On the other
> >>>>>> hand, they might still be
> perfectly within
> >> their
> >>>> rights to sue you.  Do
> >>>>>> so at your own risk.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> One other factor is that for most
> of these
> >>>> programs there's no economic
> >>>>>> benefit to be gained from suing
> you.
> >> It's not
> >>>> as if you're depriving
> >>>>>> them of any significant potential
> income
> >> from
> >>>> these 20+ years old
> >>>>>> programs.  But for some people it
> may be a
> >> matter
> >>>> of principle.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Now, there may be some CoCo games
> out
> >> there that
> >>>> are really Open Source,
> >>>>>> or something approximating that. 
> Those
> >> you should
> >>>> be able to port more
> >>>>>> freely.  But for those that
> aren't you
> >> are
> >>>> either going to have to
> >>>>>> disassemble them or contact the
> original
> >> author
> >>>> and see if the source
> >>>>>> code is still around.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> JCE
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> --Coco mailing list
> >>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>>>>> 
> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --Coco mailing list
> >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>>>>
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> --
> >>>> Coco mailing list
> >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>>>
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Coco mailing list
> >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Coco mailing list
> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Coco mailing list
> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> > 
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From jdaggett at gate.net  Thu Feb 12 15:35:43 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <gn1hts+ku69@eGroups.com>
References: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CD3@fenestra.lamunet.local>,
	<gn1hts+ku69@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <499441CF.4405.3D844A@jdaggett.gate.net>


A trick you can do if your assemler will allow it is to insert FCB in the assembly code for the 
opcodes that are not supported. If you have a macro assembler you maybe able to set the 
FCB bytes up as a macro. 

FCB $11
FCB $3D
FCB $01

This should assemble out as the opcode and the data for LDMD $01 instruction. 


james

On 12 Feb 2009 at 16:14, David Bush wrote:

> -> Cloud9 should have the 6309's
> 
> Sorry, I missed that line, thanks. The Cloud9 website answered my
> questions about installating the 6309 CPU.
> 
> I'm still looking for the assembler instruction to set the MD
> register, though...
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco




From mechacoco at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 16:28:23 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <499441CF.4405.3D844A@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CD3@fenestra.lamunet.local>
	<gn1hts+ku69@eGroups.com> <499441CF.4405.3D844A@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902121328m1181bc8dw6acfba6db259ca48@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like the OP is on the Yahoo list.  He's not seeing replies
posted to the maltedmedia list.

It seems kinda silly to have the yahoo messages forwarded here when
our replies won't reach the person to whom they are intended.

Darren


From n6il at ocs.net  Thu Feb 12 16:37:39 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:37:39 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Wanted: Coco 3 compatible floppy controller
Message-ID: <459529CF-2FC2-45F5-A442-9649960AE7DD@ocs.net>

Does anyone have an extra Coco3 compatible floppy controller around  
that they would be willing to part with?  That would be a 26-3029,  
FD-500 or later.
I know there are a few on Ebay right now but thought I would check  
here as well.

Thanks.


From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Thu Feb 12 17:42:11 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:42:11 +1100
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <49946CC0.5090903@usfamily.net>
References: <mailman.6.1234419212.28945.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<49946CC0.5090903@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <4994A5C3.4010106@iinet.net.au>

Fred D. Provoncha wrote:

>They tended to UNDERESTIMATE advancement in computers. We 
> have cell phones now that appear more powerful than Kirk's communicators 
> in Star Trek's 23rd Century. 

Heh, good point, that's something that never occurred to me! I never did see 
Kirk run a Coco emulator on his communicator while waiting for Scotty to 
beam him up!!! ;)

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From steve at batsonphotography.com  Thu Feb 12 17:49:13 2009
From: steve at batsonphotography.com (steve)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:49:13 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <23473b7c$2f561541$300e489a$@com>

>From a computing standpoint, yes. But Cell phones need constantly recharged 
and they need a tower ever so many miles with a whole infrastructure in 
place. Communicators seem to run a long time with no charge or battery 
change and they could talk to the ship in space and people half way across 
the planet. Tricorders are where the computing power was. :p

Steve

----------------------------------------

From: "Mark McDougall" <msmcdoug at iinet.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:42 PM
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Old techies 

Fred D. Provoncha wrote:

>They tended to UNDERESTIMATE advancement in computers. We 
> have cell phones now that appear more powerful than Kirk's communicators 

> in Star Trek's 23rd Century. 

Heh, good point, that's something that never occurred to me! I never did 
see 
Kirk run a Coco emulator on his communicator while waiting for Scotty to 
beam him up!!! ;)

Regards,

-- 
| Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it
| | with less resistance!"

--
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From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Thu Feb 12 18:06:09 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:06:09 +1100
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <23473b7c$2f561541$300e489a$@com>
References: <23473b7c$2f561541$300e489a$@com>
Message-ID: <4994AB61.6060806@iinet.net.au>

steve wrote:

>>From a computing standpoint, yes. But Cell phones need constantly recharged 
> and they need a tower ever so many miles with a whole infrastructure in 
> place. Communicators seem to run a long time with no charge or battery 
> change and they could talk to the ship in space and people half way across 
> the planet. Tricorders are where the computing power was. :p

IIRC the communicators were mainly used in communication between "away 
teams" and the ship in orbit, so in that sense they were more akin to 
satellite phones (albeit a _lot_ smaller) than cell phones which require 
terrestrial towers. And communication with other parties "half way across 
the planet" would of course be relayed via the orbiting ship, in "sight" 
with both parties. You make a point with the power requirements though!

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From operator at coco3.com  Thu Feb 12 18:21:25 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:21:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Telepak RS232 Pak
In-Reply-To: <200901171249.41781.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <1803226163.4511551231950204380.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<200901170453.33395.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<20090117172255.6D31F20A1C@qs281.pair.com>
	<200901171249.41781.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20090212232155.5B7F820A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 11:49 AM 1/17/2009, you wrote:
>So does mine, I made one of them out of a modem pack too, but it 
>only works in
>an MPI because those level translator chips need its plus and minus 12 volts,
>which the coco 3 does not supply, and which the older coco's only supplied
>very marginally, around +-9 volts IIRC.  That is enough to make it work 99.9%
>of the time, but leaves precious little over drive for noise margins and poor
>or long cabling.
>
>For all new designs, investigate the MAX-232 line of chips for that function,
>which contain their own charge pump level translators that are probably 500%
>more efficient than the Aztec mini-switcher in the RS-232 Deluxe pack ever
>thought of being.  That puppy ran HOT!  Or did in the 2 I have.  Neither have
>survived the ravages of age and 24/7 uptimes at the Heskett ranchette.


Gene, I was reading back on our discussion about the 6551 paks 
running or not running on a CoCo 3.

Reading up on the MAX232 I see it generates (from a single 5v supply) 
+-7.5v, not +-12v signals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAX232

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Feb 12 18:25:09 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:25:09 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Telepak RS232 Pak
In-Reply-To: <20090212232155.5B7F820A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <1803226163.4511551231950204380.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<200901171249.41781.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<20090212232155.5B7F820A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <200902121825.09542.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 12 February 2009, Roger Taylor wrote:
>At 11:49 AM 1/17/2009, you wrote:
>>So does mine, I made one of them out of a modem pack too, but it
>>only works in
>>an MPI because those level translator chips need its plus and minus 12
>> volts, which the coco 3 does not supply, and which the older coco's only
>> supplied very marginally, around +-9 volts IIRC.  That is enough to make
>> it work 99.9% of the time, but leaves precious little over drive for noise
>> margins and poor or long cabling.
>>
>>For all new designs, investigate the MAX-232 line of chips for that
>> function, which contain their own charge pump level translators that are
>> probably 500% more efficient than the Aztec mini-switcher in the RS-232
>> Deluxe pack ever thought of being.  That puppy ran HOT!  Or did in the 2 I
>> have.  Neither have survived the ravages of age and 24/7 uptimes at the
>> Heskett ranchette.
>
>Gene, I was reading back on our discussion about the 6551 paks
>running or not running on a CoCo 3.
>
>Reading up on the MAX232 I see it generates (from a single 5v supply)
>+-7.5v, not +-12v signals.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAX232

Given that the rx logic threshold specs are at about +- 3 volts, +- 7.5 s/b 
more than enough.


-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
You'd best be snoozin', 'cause you don't be gettin' no work done at 5 a.m.
anyway.
		-- From the wall of the Wurster Hall stairwell


From farna at att.net  Thu Feb 12 18:30:29 2009
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:30:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] HWGA (was)  Coco games copyright
Message-ID: <4994B115.2050200@att.net>

You're going to have to re-write so much of the code that I wouldn't worry about copyrights at all. basically you'll be using the old game as a "road map", but little else. I re-wrote a couple GW-BASIC programs for the CoCo3 years ago. Even then I ended up with a 85%+ re-write of all the code. I gave the original authors credit, but that was it. I just had a line similar to this in the docs and code: "based on xxx by xxx, originally written in GW-BASIC for the PC". There were just too many differences in the capabilities of the two machines to call it a "port", though that's what I originally intended to do. 

------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:36:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Jimenez <ben_jimenez at yahoo.com>

Hi, i'm not sure why I can't see my responses to these post but here goes. The reason I was asking is because I'm starting to develop some games for the Ipod platform and I thought it would be cool to convert some of the Coco games.

I'm developing in Object-C so i'm not sure how easy it would be to do the whole emulator, but making some clones of some good game would help me to get a good start on the platform and keep the coco games going.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Feb 12 18:32:12 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <gn1d3q+ga96@eGroups.com>
References: <gn1d3q+ga96@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <200902121832.12754.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 12 February 2009, David Bush wrote:
>Okay, thanks, but I would still like to know how to add a 6309 CPU to
>my CoCo. Do I just remove the 6809 and drop in the 6309?

Essentially yes, but put a socket under it.
>Is this 
>something someone with minimal hardware experience should attempt?

No.  Hot soldering irons take the 'nak' to run well. I would practice on a lot 
of throwaway stuff first.  And expect to pay around $130 for a decent temp 
controlled iron.

>Are 
>there instructions anywhere on the Net? Where can I get a 6309
>appropriate for the CoCo?

Mark Marlette, Cloud 9, has some I believe.  And he can put it in for you for 
a nominal fee considering the work involved.

>I realize that bit 0 of the MD register should be set to 0 for
>emulation mode and 1 for native mode. But how do I set it? The TFR
>command does not seem to work; its postbyte uses 4 bits to specify the
>source register and 4 bits for the destination register. All 16
>possibilities are used for other registers. Similarly, the BAND BOR
>BIAND BIOR bit-transfer commands do not seem to work. EXG I'm not sure
>about.

There are references available, but I'm not sure of the site address.  Someone 
will probably advise on that though.

>Thanks for your patience!
>
>--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Mike Pepe" <lamune at ...> wrote:
>> Cloud9 should have the 6309's



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
At the end of your life there'll be a good rest, and no further activities
are scheduled.


From charles.shrader at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 18:42:43 2009
From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:42:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Mark Marlette of Cloud 9
Message-ID: <195A4960BB7442008043EB3EEF022DAF@CHUCK03>

I have worked with Mark and can say that he's definitely one that you can
trust; I bought some hardware from him and ran into some issues with a drive
controller; he worked 'overtime' to get the situation resolved.
 
Cloud 9 is a great outfit for us Coco fans!!
 
Chuck Shrader
Knoxville, TN
 


From marcus.chiado at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 19:31:28 2009
From: marcus.chiado at gmail.com (Marcus Vinicius Garrett Chiado)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:31:28 -0300
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Mark Marlette of Cloud 9
In-Reply-To: <195A4960BB7442008043EB3EEF022DAF@CHUCK03>
References: <195A4960BB7442008043EB3EEF022DAF@CHUCK03>
Message-ID: <94583fe40902121631k41872a5bjd7b600c598c462cf@mail.gmail.com>

I second that.

My CoCo 3 was damaged in the mail. Despite I?m in Brazil (and thus far away
from him), Mark did everything he could.


2009/2/12 Charles Shrader <charles.shrader at gmail.com>

>
> Cloud 9 is a great outfit for us Coco fans!!
>
> Chuck Shrader
> Knoxville, TN
>


From flexser at fiu.edu  Thu Feb 12 19:47:06 2009
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Art Flexser)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:47:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <200902121832.12754.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0902121936100.19442-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

I think what Gene is suggesting is a bit too discouraging.  If you don't try to
salvage the 6809, but instead clip all the pins and remove them (heat while
GENTLY pulling) one by one, it doesn't take a soldering expert or a $130
soldering iron, just a reasonable degree of care.  But the piggybacking solution
someone suggested sounds easier and safer.  I see no reason to install a switch,
though, since the 6309 is pretty much entirely backwards compatible with the
6809.  So I'm guessing you'd just need to clip the one pin (whatever pin number
that is) of the 6809 and solder the corresponding pin of the 6309 to the remains
of the pin after doing the rest of the piggybacking.  

Art

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Thursday 12 February 2009, David Bush wrote:
> >Okay, thanks, but I would still like to know how to add a 6309 CPU to
> >my CoCo. Do I just remove the 6809 and drop in the 6309?
> 
> Essentially yes, but put a socket under it.
> >Is this 
> >something someone with minimal hardware experience should attempt?
> 
> No.  Hot soldering irons take the 'nak' to run well. I would practice on a lot 
> of throwaway stuff first.  And expect to pay around $130 for a decent temp 
> controlled iron.



From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Thu Feb 12 20:06:37 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:06:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Hitachi 6309 questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0902121936100.19442-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
Message-ID: <1764371889.533361234487197590.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>


As piggybacking **might** be safer, if it works for you GREAT but the address bus of the CoCo is NOT buffered.

The Pro-Tector+ buffers the address lines.

YMMV.

Regards,

Mark


----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Flexser" <flexser at fiu.edu>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:47:06 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Hitachi 6309 questions

I think what Gene is suggesting is a bit too discouraging.  If you don't try to
salvage the 6809, but instead clip all the pins and remove them (heat while
GENTLY pulling) one by one, it doesn't take a soldering expert or a $130
soldering iron, just a reasonable degree of care.  But the piggybacking solution
someone suggested sounds easier and safer.  I see no reason to install a switch,
though, since the 6309 is pretty much entirely backwards compatible with the
6809.  So I'm guessing you'd just need to clip the one pin (whatever pin number
that is) of the 6809 and solder the corresponding pin of the 6309 to the remains
of the pin after doing the rest of the piggybacking.  

Art

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Thursday 12 February 2009, David Bush wrote:
> >Okay, thanks, but I would still like to know how to add a 6309 CPU to
> >my CoCo. Do I just remove the 6809 and drop in the 6309?
> 
> Essentially yes, but put a socket under it.
> >Is this 
> >something someone with minimal hardware experience should attempt?
> 
> No.  Hot soldering irons take the 'nak' to run well. I would practice on a lot 
> of throwaway stuff first.  And expect to pay around $130 for a decent temp 
> controlled iron.


--
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http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 20:31:32 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:31:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] cocofuse not functional
In-Reply-To: <33C0543E-D6AF-4E79-B9A0-D60FFEAB8240@tee-boy.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902081116540.7810@duo>
	<5D576639-6AAF-46BD-8126-C77B463E6E10@tee-boy.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101120420.7810@duo>
	<5b0704c10902101001t441b9c6amccb989e525719c16@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902101548250.7810@duo>
	<33C0543E-D6AF-4E79-B9A0-D60FFEAB8240@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902122028470.7810@duo>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Boisy Pitre wrote:

> Yes, but it was some years back.  I haven't touched it in so long that I'm 
> afraid I wouldn't remember where to begin.
>
> As Tim said, I did work on a more recent version for MacFUSE but never 
> released it because of some outstanding issues.
>
> I can only give you encouragement at this point... if you get it working, 
> you'll be a hero :)


I modified the debugging so it's not mac-specific and took a look at 
what's happening.

When I mount a DSK file and try to do an 'ls' of its contents, the only 
cocofuse routine that's being called is getattr() where I find that

-CoCoToUnixError(_coco_gs_fd(p, &fdbuf))

is returning -36.  This is interpreted by FUSE as "filename too long".

>From toolshed's point of view, what does -36 mean?

Steve


-- 


From n6il at ocs.net  Thu Feb 12 23:13:16 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:13:16 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
Message-ID: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>

I am trying to create a new nitros9 boot disk that has rs232 pak  
drivers in  it.  When I ran the mb script it got a bunch of errors.  I  
ran each command manually .  The first fatal error that seems to be  
encountered is a 207 (memory full) error when running os9gen.  Both of  
my coco3's are 128k.  Is there any way to work around this?  I tried  
random #nnK parameters without success.

If  there's no easy workaround then I suppose I can see if I can get  
the nitros9 cvs that I pulled down earlier today to work on my linux  
box, i think i have actually run the make file to create boot disks  
before...


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Thu Feb 12 23:51:41 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:51:41 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
In-Reply-To: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>
References: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>
Message-ID: <4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>

Michael Furman wrote:
> I am trying to create a new nitros9 boot disk that has rs232 pak drivers 
> in  it.  When I ran the mb script it got a bunch of errors.  I ran each 
> command manually .  The first fatal error that seems to be encountered 
> is a 207 (memory full) error when running os9gen.  Both of my coco3's 
> are 128k.  Is there any way to work around this?  I tried random #nnK 
> parameters without success.
> 
> If  there's no easy workaround then I suppose I can see if I can get the 
> nitros9 cvs that I pulled down earlier today to work on my linux box, i 
> think i have actually run the make file to create boot disks before...
> 
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 

NitrOS-9 Level2 will run on a 128k Coco3 although 512K would be much 
better. If you are getting 207 errors, then you probably have or are 
trying to put too many modules in the os9boot file.

It would help to know exactly what you are doing. Are you using a disk 
downloaded from Sourceforge to run a script? If so, then you know that 
NitrOS-9 runs on a 128K Coco3. Are you using some other version of OS-9 
and if so which?


From n6il at ocs.net  Fri Feb 13 00:13:09 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:13:09 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
In-Reply-To: <4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>
References: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>
	<4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <E89E8F55-3D03-4EF6-ACCD-92B72EE3317C@ocs.net>


On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Robert Gault wrote:

> Michael Furman wrote:
>> I am trying to create a new nitros9 boot disk that has rs232 pak  
>> drivers in  it.  When I ran the mb script it got a bunch of  
>> errors.  I ran each command manually .  The first fatal error that  
>> seems to be encountered is a 207 (memory full) error when running  
>> os9gen.  Both of my coco3's are 128k.  Is there any way to work  
>> around this?  I tried random #nnK parameters without success.
>> If  there's no easy workaround then I suppose I can see if I can  
>> get the nitros9 cvs that I pulled down earlier today to work on my  
>> linux box, i think i have actually run the make file to create boot  
>> disks before...
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
> NitrOS-9 Level2 will run on a 128k Coco3 although 512K would be much  
> better. If you are getting 207 errors, then you probably have or are  
> trying to put too many modules in the os9boot file.
>
> It would help to know exactly what you are doing. Are you using a  
> disk downloaded from Sourceforge to run a script? If so, then you  
> know that NitrOS-9 runs on a 128K Coco3. Are you using some other  
> version of OS-9 and if so which?


I have a Nitros9 6809 L2 version 3.02.06 disk that I download from  
sourceforge and made some time ago.  I started with the standard.bl  
module list that came on the disk, uncommented sc6551 and t2_sc6551  
and tried feeding this to os9gen.  No other changes were made.   Upon  
further inspection there are probably some modules I can remove for  
this experiment so I can go try that and see if it gets any farther.


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Fri Feb 13 06:05:03 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:05:03 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow april 1991 uploading
Message-ID: <gn3k4v+ilmi@eGroups.com>

finished scanning, now uploading to excalibur1

157 megabyte in size
will take about 3.5 hours to upload i have many file transfers running
at the moment

scanning of May 1991 starting.....


NOW!



From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Fri Feb 13 06:05:06 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
References: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>
	<4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <303232AC89B94D64AE1F8D1143473106@speedy>

> Michael Furman wrote:
>> I am trying to create a new nitros9 boot disk that has rs232 pak drivers 
>> in  it.  When I ran the mb script it got a bunch of errors.  I ran each 
>> command manually .  The first fatal error that seems to be encountered is 
>> a 207 (memory full) error when running os9gen.  Both of my coco3's are 
>> 128k.  Is there any way to work around this?  I tried random #nnK 
>> parameters without success.
>>
>> If  there's no easy workaround then I suppose I can see if I can get the 
>> nitros9 cvs that I pulled down earlier today to work on my linux box, i 
>> think i have actually run the make file to create boot disks before...
>>
>
> NitrOS-9 Level2 will run on a 128k Coco3 although 512K would be much 
> better. If you are getting 207 errors, then you probably have or are 
> trying to put too many modules in the os9boot file.


If you are loading modules manually they are each assigned a block of 
memory.  IIRCC; you will need to merge your modules into a block.  The 
normal boot disk creation program does this automatically.  It has been far 
to long since I have created a OS-9/NitrOS-9 boot disk, so the details are 
foggy ATM.



Bruce W.



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 08:13:46 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:13:46 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow april 1991 uploading
In-Reply-To: <gn3k4v+ilmi@eGroups.com>
References: <gn3k4v+ilmi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001501c98ddc$e7dc3620$b794a260$@rr.com>

Are these available for download, and if so, where and how.

Thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of stinger30au
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:05 AM
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow april 1991 uploading
> 
> finished scanning, now uploading to excalibur1



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Fri Feb 13 08:18:29 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:18:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
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	<E89E8F55-3D03-4EF6-ACCD-92B72EE3317C@ocs.net>
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Michael Furman wrote:
> 
> On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Robert Gault wrote:
> 
>> Michael Furman wrote:
>>> I am trying to create a new nitros9 boot disk that has rs232 pak 
>>> drivers in  it.  When I ran the mb script it got a bunch of errors.  
>>> I ran each command manually .  The first fatal error that seems to be 
>>> encountered is a 207 (memory full) error when running os9gen.  Both 
>>> of my coco3's are 128k.  Is there any way to work around this?  I 
>>> tried random #nnK parameters without success.
>>> If  there's no easy workaround then I suppose I can see if I can get 
>>> the nitros9 cvs that I pulled down earlier today to work on my linux 
>>> box, i think i have actually run the make file to create boot disks 
>>> before...
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>> NitrOS-9 Level2 will run on a 128k Coco3 although 512K would be much 
>> better. If you are getting 207 errors, then you probably have or are 
>> trying to put too many modules in the os9boot file.
>>
>> It would help to know exactly what you are doing. Are you using a disk 
>> downloaded from Sourceforge to run a script? If so, then you know that 
>> NitrOS-9 runs on a 128K Coco3. Are you using some other version of 
>> OS-9 and if so which?
> 
> 
> I have a Nitros9 6809 L2 version 3.02.06 disk that I download from 
> sourceforge and made some time ago.  I started with the standard.bl 
> module list that came on the disk, uncommented sc6551 and t2_sc6551 and 
> tried feeding this to os9gen.  No other changes were made.   Upon 
> further inspection there are probably some modules I can remove for this 
> experiment so I can go try that and see if it gets any farther.
> 

I've been running some tests with Nitros9 6809 L2 version 3.02.06 and it 
will not create new boot disks with 128K memory. In fact you seem to be 
in a Catch-22 situation.
This version will create new boot disks with 512K memory but seems to 
even have problems formatting disks with 128K. That means the os9boot 
file as distributed is too large but you can't create a new os9boot file 
or a new boot disk because there is not enough memory.

Michael, I'll take some time today to try and create an image with a 
smaller os9boot file and memory profile so that you will be able to 
create new boot disks with 128K.
Can I assume that n6il at ocs.net is a valid e-mail address?


From mark at cloud9tech.com  Fri Feb 13 08:37:10 2009
From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:37:10 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
In-Reply-To: <49957325.6020000@worldnet.att.net>
References: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>
	<4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>
	<E89E8F55-3D03-4EF6-ACCD-92B72EE3317C@ocs.net>
	<49957325.6020000@worldnet.att.net>
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Robert,

Vaguely recall this issue but I **believe** it had to do with 
something with the fragmentation. I 'm pretty sure this has been 
fixed and should be documented in the current source....

Regards,

Mark
Cloud-9



At 2/13/2009 07:18 AM, you wrote:
>Michael Furman wrote:
>>On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Robert Gault wrote:
>>
>>>Michael Furman wrote:
>>>>I am trying to create a new nitros9 boot disk that has rs232 pak 
>>>>drivers in  it.  When I ran the mb script it got a bunch of errors.
>>>>I ran each command manually .  The first fatal error that seems 
>>>>to be encountered is a 207 (memory full) error when running 
>>>>os9gen.  Both of my coco3's are 128k.  Is there any way to work 
>>>>around this?  I tried random #nnK parameters without success.
>>>>If  there's no easy workaround then I suppose I can see if I can 
>>>>get the nitros9 cvs that I pulled down earlier today to work on 
>>>>my linux box, i think i have actually run the make file to create 
>>>>boot disks before...
>>>>--
>>>>Coco mailing list
>>>>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>NitrOS-9 Level2 will run on a 128k Coco3 although 512K would be 
>>>much better. If you are getting 207 errors, then you probably have 
>>>or are trying to put too many modules in the os9boot file.
>>>
>>>It would help to know exactly what you are doing. Are you using a 
>>>disk downloaded from Sourceforge to run a script? If so, then you 
>>>know that NitrOS-9 runs on a 128K Coco3. Are you using some other 
>>>version of OS-9 and if so which?
>>
>>I have a Nitros9 6809 L2 version 3.02.06 disk that I download from 
>>sourceforge and made some time ago.  I started with the standard.bl 
>>module list that came on the disk, uncommented sc6551 and t2_sc6551 
>>and tried feeding this to os9gen.  No other changes were 
>>made.   Upon further inspection there are probably some modules I 
>>can remove for this experiment so I can go try that and see if it 
>>gets any farther.
>
>I've been running some tests with Nitros9 6809 L2 version 3.02.06 
>and it will not create new boot disks with 128K memory. In fact you 
>seem to be in a Catch-22 situation.
>This version will create new boot disks with 512K memory but seems 
>to even have problems formatting disks with 128K. That means the 
>os9boot file as distributed is too large but you can't create a new 
>os9boot file or a new boot disk because there is not enough memory.
>
>Michael, I'll take some time today to try and create an image with a 
>smaller os9boot file and memory profile so that you will be able to 
>create new boot disks with 128K.
>Can I assume that n6il at ocs.net is a valid e-mail address?
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
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From linville at tuxdriver.com  Fri Feb 13 08:38:08 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:38:08 -0500
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
Message-ID: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>

So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
have an alternative this year.

I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
(i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.

Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?

Feedback welcome!

John

P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).

P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From RJRTTY at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 09:44:06 2009
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:44:06 EST
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
Message-ID: <c76.3fabf542.36c6e136@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/13/2009 9:31:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
linville at tuxdriver.com writes:

Does  this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
some  simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
demo and  Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?

Feedback  welcome!

John



Yes!   I would be most interested.
 
Roy
 
**************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you 
now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002)


From alsplace at pobox.com  Fri Feb 13 09:47:20 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:47:20 -0600
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
References: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <0CD3BD40-B723-4E78-8675-6164E38B0990@pobox.com>

Ever since Boisy started building OS-9  cross hosted, I've been  
interested in this but I have never seen how it works. I'd be  
interested in such a talk!

Sent from my iPhone
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On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:38 AM, "John W. Linville"  
<linville at tuxdriver.com> wrote:

> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
> have an alternative this year.
>
> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>
> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>
> Feedback welcome!
>
> John
>
> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>
> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
> -- 
> John W. Linville        Someday the world will need a hero, and you
> linville at tuxdriver.com            might be all we have.  Be ready.
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 09:49:07 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:49:07 -0500
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
References: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <49958863.3020604@gmail.com>

I won't be able to come to the FEST, but are there any plans to video 
tape presentations?

Alan Jones

-- 
N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home



John W. Linville wrote:
> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
> have an alternative this year.
>
> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>
> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>
> Feedback welcome!
>
> John
>
> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>
> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
>   


From alsplace at pobox.com  Fri Feb 13 09:55:01 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:55:01 -0600
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <49958863.3020604@gmail.com>
References: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com> <49958863.3020604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2D173A-3A55-4D79-9FA2-4B8F7D5B52CC@pobox.com>

Hmmm, this could be arranged. Would anyone be willing to pay $5 or so  
for a DVD of presentations, profits going to Glenside? Sure we could  
just post for free on YouTube too.

Sent from my iPhone
Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman

On Feb 13, 2009, at 8:49 AM, N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com> wrote:

> I won't be able to come to the FEST, but are there any plans to  
> video tape presentations?
>
> Alan Jones
>
> -- 
> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
>
>
>
> John W. Linville wrote:
>> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
>> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
>> have an alternative this year.
>>
>> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
>> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
>> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
>> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo  
>> programmer
>> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
>> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
>> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
>> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>>
>> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
>> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
>> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>>
>> Feedback welcome!
>>
>> John
>>
>> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
>> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>>
>> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
>> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
>>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From t.fadden at cox.net  Fri Feb 13 10:03:28 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:03:28 -0700
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <4A2D173A-3A55-4D79-9FA2-4B8F7D5B52CC@pobox.com>
References: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com> <49958863.3020604@gmail.com>
	<4A2D173A-3A55-4D79-9FA2-4B8F7D5B52CC@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <49958BC0.8050806@cox.net>

I would rather pay, and get a better quality of video than Free on 
YouTube. But anything would be better than nothing!

thanks,

Tim Fadden

Allen Huffman wrote:
> Hmmm, this could be arranged. Would anyone be willing to pay $5 or so 
> for a DVD of presentations, profits going to Glenside? Sure we could 
> just post for free on YouTube too.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
>
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 8:49 AM, N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I won't be able to come to the FEST, but are there any plans to video 
>> tape presentations?
>>
>> Alan Jones
>>
>> -- 
>> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
>> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
>>
>>
>>
>> John W. Linville wrote:
>>> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
>>> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
>>> have an alternative this year.
>>>
>>> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
>>> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
>>> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
>>> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
>>> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
>>> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
>>> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
>>> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>>>
>>> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
>>> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
>>> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>>>
>>> Feedback welcome!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
>>> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>>>
>>> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
>>> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Fri Feb 13 10:05:11 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:05:11 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20090213073443.02abd970@cloud9tech.com>
References: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>	<4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>	<E89E8F55-3D03-4EF6-ACCD-92B72EE3317C@ocs.net>	<49957325.6020000@worldnet.att.net>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090213073443.02abd970@cloud9tech.com>
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Mark Marlette wrote:
> Robert,
> 
> Vaguely recall this issue but I **believe** it had to do with something 
> with the fragmentation. I 'm pretty sure this has been fixed and should 
> be documented in the current source....
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark
> Cloud-9
> 
> 
> 

Mark and Michael,
Here is the problem with insufficient memory. First, Michael I strongly 
suggest that you download the latest version of 6809 LevelII NitrOS-9 
which is now 3.2.8 . What follows is based on using that current version.

As distributed, term is an 80 column window. That puts too much strain 
on the memory of a 128K system. There is enough memory to boot but not 
enough to even correctly run the Startup file. If you boot v3.2.6 or 
v3.2.8 6809 LevelII, you will find you don't get asked to set the time. 
That is an indication of insufficient memory. Many other commands fail 
under these conditions.
So what's to be done? Michael, you have two choices neither of which 
will be pleasant. You can buy more memory or you can change term to a 
vdg 32 column screen. I have tested the stock mb script and it will run 
from a 32 column term in this version. I have not tried but it is 
possible that a slimmed down os9boot file would give a fully working 
system from an 80 column term window.

Michael, I can send you a modified boot disk or you can try changing 
term yourself using dEd. Here are the directions for changing term using 
dEd.

dEd is not usable from a 32 column window so the change must be done 
from the stock distribution disk (80 column term).
1. Boot NitrOS-9
2. ded os9boot
3. L term                this links to module term in os9boot
4. e                     this gets into the edit mode
5. use arrows to move to the following bytes and change them by entering 
new values.
byte   old value    new value
$1A    $18          $10
$26    $80          $01
6. [ENTER]               leaves edit mode
7. v                     verifies the changes and updates the CRC
8. q                     exits dEd

That will change term to a vdg type. Now reboot NitrOS-9 and a cold boot 
of the Coco or emulator will probably be needed.
Boot NitrOS-9 and you should be on a 32 column screen and you should be 
asked to enter the date/time. If you got this far, then the script mb 
should work and you also should be able to later standard.bl to fit your 
needs.


From mark at cloud9tech.com  Fri Feb 13 10:14:49 2009
From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:14:49 -0600
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
References: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090213091227.02b08150@cloud9tech.com>

John,

You are so modest, I have seen some of your projects and work.... :)

YES!!!!!

Mark
Cloud-9

At 2/13/2009 07:38 AM, you wrote:
>So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
>project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
>have an alternative this year.
>
>I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
>some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
>(i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
>available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
>of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
>the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
>overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
>I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>
>Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
>some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
>demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>
>Feedback welcome!
>
>John
>
>P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
>what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>
>P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
>tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
>--
>John W. Linville                Someday the world will need a hero, and you
>linville at tuxdriver.com                  might be all we have.  Be ready.
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
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>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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From brjeremy at juno.com  Fri Feb 13 10:19:34 2009
From: brjeremy at juno.com (brjeremy at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:19:34 GMT
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
Message-ID: <20090213.091934.23629.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

Sound good to me.

With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW



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From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Feb 13 10:34:53 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:34:53 -0600
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <4A2D173A-3A55-4D79-9FA2-4B8F7D5B52CC@pobox.com>
References: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com> <49958863.3020604@gmail.com>
	<4A2D173A-3A55-4D79-9FA2-4B8F7D5B52CC@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4995931D.1060005@swbell.net>

Allen Huffman wrote:
> Hmmm, this could be arranged. Would anyone be willing to pay $5 or so
> for a DVD of presentations, profits going to Glenside? Sure we could
> just post for free on YouTube too.
>
I would be interested in both of those options.

JCE
> Sent from my iPhone
> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
>
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 8:49 AM, N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I won't be able to come to the FEST, but are there any plans to video
>> tape presentations?
>>
>> Alan Jones
>>
>> --N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
>> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
>>
>>
>>
>> John W. Linville wrote:
>>> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
>>> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
>>> have an alternative this year.
>>>
>>> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
>>> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
>>> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
>>> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
>>> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
>>> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
>>> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
>>> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>>>
>>> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
>>> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
>>> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>>>
>>> Feedback welcome!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
>>> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>>>
>>> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
>>> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
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>



From boisy at tee-boy.com  Fri Feb 13 10:44:43 2009
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:44:43 -0600
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
References: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <9FC79D60-D3D3-424B-8E1B-174FBE569412@tee-boy.com>

John,

Absolutely a great topic, since  we need *CoCo related* topics at the  
CoCo Fest.  Thanks for stepping up to the plate.

On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:38 AM, John W. Linville wrote:

> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
> have an alternative this year.
>
> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>
> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>
> Feedback welcome!
>
> John
>
> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>
> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
> -- 
> John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
> linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

Regards,
Boisy G. Pitre
--
Tee-Boy
Mobile: 337.781.3570
Email: boisy at tee-boy.com
Web: http://www.tee-boy.com



From fwp at deepthought.com  Fri Feb 13 13:16:24 2009
From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:16:24 -0600
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
References: <20090213133808.GB3792@tuxdriver.com>
Message-ID: <20090213181624.GG4165@warlock.deepthought.com>


Sounds interesting to me.


On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 08:38:08AM -0500, John W. Linville wrote:
> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
> have an alternative this year.
> 
> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
> 
> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
> 
> Feedback welcome!
> 
> John
> 
> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
> 
> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
> -- 
> John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
> linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From operator at coco3.com  Fri Feb 13 13:20:42 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:20:42 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Ultimaterm 4.x
Message-ID: <20090213182117.86C3220A13@qs281.pair.com>

Can someone e-mail me a .dsk image of Ultimaterm 4.1 and include any 
other comm programs on the disk even if the use the bitbanger port?
I've seemed to have misplaced my .dsk images with all that stuff on them.
Thanks

operator at coco3.com
-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Fri Feb 13 13:57:20 2009
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:57:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1234537213.65146.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.23.1234537213.65146.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <4995C291.4000700@usfamily.net>

I would be very interested. I'd be happy to pay $5 or whatever for such a DVD. 

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT


> Hmmm, this could be arranged. Would anyone be willing to pay $5 or so  
> for a DVD of presentations, profits going to Glenside? Sure we could  
> just post for free on YouTube too.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
>
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 8:49 AM, N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>

> >> I won't be able to come to the FEST, but are there any plans to  
> >> video tape presentations?
> >>
> >> Alan Jones
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
> >> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John W. Linville wrote:
>   
>> >>> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
>> >>> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
>> >>> have an alternative this year.
>> >>>
>> >>> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
>> >>> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
>> >>> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
>> >>> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo  
>> >>> programmer
>> >>> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
>> >>> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
>> >>> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
>> >>> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>> >>>
>> >>> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
>> >>> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
>> >>> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>> >>>
>> >>> Feedback welcome!
>> >>>
>> >>> John
>> >>>
>> >>> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
>> >>> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>> >>>
>> >>> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
>> >>> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
>>     


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From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 14:32:51 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <4995C291.4000700@usfamily.net>
References: <mailman.23.1234537213.65146.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<4995C291.4000700@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <4995CAE3.1090706@gmail.com>

I also would rather have quality. So I don't mind paying $5 or whatever 
for a DVD. I look forward to seeing it! :)

Alan Jones

-- 
N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home



Fred D. Provoncha wrote:
> I would be very interested. I'd be happy to pay $5 or whatever for 
> such a DVD.
> Fred Provoncha
> Stansbury Park, UT
>
>
>> Hmmm, this could be arranged. Would anyone be willing to pay $5 or 
>> so  for a DVD of presentations, profits going to Glenside? Sure we 
>> could  just post for free on YouTube too.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 8:49 AM, N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>> >> I won't be able to come to the FEST, but are there any plans to  
>> >> video tape presentations?
>> >>
>> >> Alan Jones
>> >>
>> >> -- >> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
>> >> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John W. Linville wrote:
>>  
>>> >>> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
>>> >>> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I 
>>> might
>>> >>> have an alternative this year.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
>>> >>> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
>>> >>> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
>>> >>> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo  >>> 
>>> programmer
>>> >>> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to 
>>> write
>>> >>> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
>>> >>> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
>>> >>> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
>>> >>> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
>>> >>> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Feedback welcome!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> John
>>> >>>
>>> >>> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted 
>>> towards
>>> >>> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, 
>>> etc).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any 
>>> particular
>>> >>> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
>>>     
>
>
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>


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 15:30:57 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:30:57 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Ultimaterm 4.x
In-Reply-To: <20090213182117.86C3220A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090213182117.86C3220A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <002801c98e19$fa3936f0$eeaba4d0$@rr.com>

You are welcome to download the ultimaterm.cups version off my board.
http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/princeton/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Roger Taylor
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: [Coco] Ultimaterm 4.x
> 
> Can someone e-mail me a .dsk image of Ultimaterm 4.1 and include any
> other comm programs on the disk even if the use the bitbanger port?
> I've seemed to have misplaced my .dsk images with all that stuff on
> them.
> Thanks
> 
> operator at coco3.com
> --
> Roger Taylor
> 
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 15:35:59 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:35:59 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Ultimaterm 4.x
In-Reply-To: <002801c98e19$fa3936f0$eeaba4d0$@rr.com>
References: <20090213182117.86C3220A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<002801c98e19$fa3936f0$eeaba4d0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <002901c98e1a$ae90aa20$0bb1fe60$@rr.com>

DUH!!! I should have known if you don't have Ultimaterm, you CAN'T download.
Sorry about that (senility, you know)

> 
> You are welcome to download the ultimaterm.cups version off my board.
> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/princeton/
> 



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Fri Feb 13 16:16:44 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:16:44 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1991 uploading now
Message-ID: <gn4nvs+3vko@eGroups.com>

file size 162 megabytes, pc says it will take 2 hours 20 mins to
upload to excalibur1

my hp6300c scanner turned up, its much faster then the canon lide20 i
have been using till now

pitty im working this weekend, i reckon with the new scann i could get
thru many magazines each day

anyhow, june 1991 scanning now



From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 16:21:45 2009
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:21:45 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
In-Reply-To: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
References: <00d301c98b9e$eb931b70$c2b95250$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <200902131621.45192.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 11:45:02 Bill wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what is the average age of this group. I'm 60, and
> had my first CoCo in 1980 (that precious grey machine- 4k "baby basic" and
> a cassette recorder)
>

I am 62, started with a 64k CoCo2 with a tape drive. Soon upgraded to $399.00 
flexible disk drive... can ya believe those prices back then???


From PaulH96636 at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 16:44:41 2009
From: PaulH96636 at aol.com (PaulH96636 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:44:41 EST
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <c6f.337b3a1b.36c743c9@aol.com>

68   here; started with gray coco-1 in 1983;   tape drive for 3 years.   knew 

touch-typing already.   Must start up the system again to see if the tapes 
still load without errors.       -ph


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From cdiman7 at flash.net  Fri Feb 13 17:28:54 2009
From: cdiman7 at flash.net (KARL SEFCIK)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:28:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <4A2D173A-3A55-4D79-9FA2-4B8F7D5B52CC@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <778417.92359.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Allen,? ?Why not do both? A dvd for those of us that want that, and Youtube for those that want to see it for free? Just a reminder, the group STRAIGHT NO CHASE got a 5 album recording deal just by their video on Youtube, lots of people have landed lucrative acting roles in movies and tv shows because of their video on Youtube. 
? ? So, why not the Coco? It'd make a great skit on SNL,lol.
Karl
--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Allen Huffman <alsplace at pobox.com> wrote:
From: Allen Huffman <alsplace at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:55 AM

Hmmm, this could be arranged. Would anyone be willing to pay $5 or so for a DVD
of presentations, profits going to Glenside? Sure we could just post for free on
YouTube too.

Sent from my iPhone
Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman

On Feb 13, 2009, at 8:49 AM, N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com> wrote:

> I won't be able to come to the FEST, but are there any plans to video
tape presentations?
> 
> Alan Jones
> 
> --N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
> 
> 
> 
> John W. Linville wrote:
>> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
>> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
>> have an alternative this year.
>> 
>> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
>> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
>> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some
of the
>> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
>> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to
write
>> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
>> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
>> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
>> 
>> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
>> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
>> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
>> 
>> Feedback welcome!
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted
towards
>> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
>> 
>> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
>> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
>> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From keeper63 at cox.net  Fri Feb 13 22:49:46 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:49:46 -0700
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1234537213.65146.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.23.1234537213.65146.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49963F5A.1040502@cox.net>

> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:38:08 -0500
> From: "John W. Linville" <linville at tuxdriver.com>
> Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <20090213133808.GB3792 at tuxdriver.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
> project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
> have an alternative this year.
> 
> I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
> some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
> (i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
> available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
> of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
> the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
> overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
> I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.
> 
> Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
> some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
> demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?
> 
> Feedback welcome!
> 
> John
> 
> P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
> what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).
> 
> P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
> tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.

I would be interested in this, though I won't be going - too far away 
for me, no time, and not a lot of travel money :(

Even so, as a Linux guy myself (currently running Ubuntu 8.10) whose 
first computer experience was a CoCo 2 w/ 16k (ok, as long as you don't 
count the Atari 2600 or the Radio Shack Pong game consoles prior to 
then!), it would be great to hear such an overview:

Allen, I would be willing to pitch $5.00 or $10.00 for a DVD of the 
presentations (could you "say hi" to each participant, too?) - such a 
DVD would be both fun and informative to have, as well as a nice 
addition to my collection of CoCo stuff.

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From t.fadden at cox.net  Fri Feb 13 23:56:20 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:56:20 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow 1993-04.pdf
Message-ID: <49964EF4.4000504@cox.net>

Another issue uploaded to Malted-Media, and excalibur for your reading 
pleasure.

Tim


From n6il at ocs.net  Sat Feb 14 01:03:35 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:03:35 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
In-Reply-To: <49958C27.6030105@worldnet.att.net>
References: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>
	<4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>
	<E89E8F55-3D03-4EF6-ACCD-92B72EE3317C@ocs.net>
	<49957325.6020000@worldnet.att.net>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090213073443.02abd970@cloud9tech.com>
	<49958C27.6030105@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <20090214060335.GA20307@ocs.net>

Robert Gault (robert.gault at worldnet.att.net) recently said:

> 
> Mark and Michael,
> Here is the problem with insufficient memory. First, Michael I strongly 
> suggest that you download the latest version of 6809 LevelII NitrOS-9 
> which is now 3.2.8 . What follows is based on using that current version.
> 
> As distributed, term is an 80 column window. That puts too much strain 
> on the memory of a 128K system. There is enough memory to boot but not 
> enough to even correctly run the Startup file. If you boot v3.2.6 or 
> v3.2.8 6809 LevelII, you will find you don't get asked to set the time. 
> That is an indication of insufficient memory. Many other commands fail 
> under these conditions.
> So what's to be done? Michael, you have two choices neither of which 
> will be pleasant. You can buy more memory or you can change term to a 
> vdg 32 column screen. I have tested the stock mb script and it will run 
> from a 32 column term in this version. I have not tried but it is 
> possible that a slimmed down os9boot file would give a fully working 
> system from an 80 column term window.
> 
> Michael, I can send you a modified boot disk or you can try changing 
> term yourself using dEd. Here are the directions for changing term using 
> dEd.
> 
> dEd is not usable from a 32 column window so the change must be done 
> from the stock distribution disk (80 column term).
> 1. Boot NitrOS-9
> 2. ded os9boot
> 3. L term                this links to module term in os9boot
> 4. e                     this gets into the edit mode
> 5. use arrows to move to the following bytes and change them by entering 
> new values.
> byte   old value    new value
> $1A    $18          $10
> $26    $80          $01
> 6. [ENTER]               leaves edit mode
> 7. v                     verifies the changes and updates the CRC
> 8. q                     exits dEd
> 
> That will change term to a vdg type. Now reboot NitrOS-9 and a cold boot 
> of the Coco or emulator will probably be needed.
> Boot NitrOS-9 and you should be on a 32 column screen and you should be 
> asked to enter the date/time. If you got this far, then the script mb 
> should work and you also should be able to later standard.bl to fit your 
> needs.
> 

I did this procedure to run in the 32 col mode.  That results in 40k of
free space and the mb script now works to completion.

The next problem is that it boots gets through all the modules then
shows i2xoC and then basically hangs there forever.  Any idea what might
be missing or wrong?

-- 
--
Michael R. Furman, N6IL
n6il at ocs.net
+1 408 480 5865


From t.fadden at cox.net  Sat Feb 14 01:57:59 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow-1993-03.pdf
Message-ID: <49966B77.1060004@cox.net>

Another one for your viewing pleasure uploaded to maltedmedia, and 
excalibur.

Tim


From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 02:43:20 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:43:20 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
Message-ID: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>

Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)

Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 02:51:13 2009
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:51:13 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <DD65FAF0-70E2-4F11-B5EC-55B10280B493@gmail.com>

On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Roger Taylor wrote:

> Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)
> Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.

That looks sweet!  Is the system actually working over Bluetooth now?

-- JP



From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 03:55:25 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:55:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <DD65FAF0-70E2-4F11-B5EC-55B10280B493@gmail.com>
References: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<DD65FAF0-70E2-4F11-B5EC-55B10280B493@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090214085619.0D2CE20A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 01:51 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Roger Taylor wrote:
>
>>Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)
>>Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.
>
>That looks sweet!  Is the system actually working over Bluetooth now?


Yes!

For starters, I'm opening up Hyperterminal on my PC and choosing 
COM13 and it makes a connection right then.  The CoCo and PC are 
talking over the air at 19200 bps.  Why 19200 bps?  Because I'm using 
the stock RS-232 Pak ROM for the pak and it doesn't know how to use 
the hidden 115200 bps mode of the 6551.

I'm working to figure out the way to get the CoCo to initiate the 
connection or get my own server app on the PC to do it 
(CoCoNet).  All in due time...  :)



-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sat Feb 14 06:31:35 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:31:35 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow june 1991 uploading
Message-ID: <gn6a2n+6esj@eGroups.com>

now uploading to excalibur1

177 megabyte in total

will take about 2.5 hours



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 06:52:56 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:52:56 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
References: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <002601c98e9a$c74ab6c0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


> Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)
> 
> Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.
> 
> -- 
> Roger Taylor

 Can this work with more than one Coco? Say, two cocos and one PC? 
 Can this card talk to another card such as between those two Cocos?

George


From mark at cloud9tech.com  Sat Feb 14 07:35:51 2009
From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:35:51 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090214085619.0D2CE20A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<DD65FAF0-70E2-4F11-B5EC-55B10280B493@gmail.com>
	<20090214085619.0D2CE20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090214061458.02af45b8@cloud9tech.com>

Roger,

You know I love hardware, so I took a real close up look.

I am a bit confused.

Your web site shows the CoCoNet pak but yet you are using a RS232 pak. ??

It appears from the pak in the picture, the Blue tooth device module 
is in the upper left portion of the pak?

I admit I haven't followed the 6551 Hidden mode thread(s) that have 
occurred in the past. Unless you are making a crystal change, how 
would the RS232 pak not know how to use the hidden 115200 bps mode? 
Then it really would be that it didn't know, it just that it couldn't 
adjust the baud rate generator circuit to the numbers you placed in 
the register. ????

Can you further explain in detail?

Who did the hardware design for you? Is this james's work?

As each designer can select what ever chip set they would like. 
Curious on why you selected a 6551 vs a newer chip set that would 
have a larger built in FIFO?

Mark
Cloud-9




At 2/14/2009 02:55 AM, you wrote:
>At 01:51 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>>On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Roger Taylor wrote:
>>
>>>Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)
>>>Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.
>>
>>That looks sweet!  Is the system actually working over Bluetooth now?
>
>
>Yes!
>
>For starters, I'm opening up Hyperterminal on my PC and choosing 
>COM13 and it makes a connection right then.  The CoCo and PC are 
>talking over the air at 19200 bps.  Why 19200 bps?  Because I'm 
>using the stock RS-232 Pak ROM for the pak and it doesn't know how 
>to use the hidden 115200 bps mode of the 6551.
>
>I'm working to figure out the way to get the CoCo to initiate the 
>connection or get my own server app on the PC to do it 
>(CoCoNet).  All in due time...  :)
>
>
>
>--
>Roger Taylor
>
>http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 
>02/13/09 06:51:00


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 09:21:41 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:21:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
In-Reply-To: <20090214060335.GA20307@ocs.net>
References: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>
	<4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>
	<E89E8F55-3D03-4EF6-ACCD-92B72EE3317C@ocs.net>
	<49957325.6020000@worldnet.att.net>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090213073443.02abd970@cloud9tech.com>
	<49958C27.6030105@worldnet.att.net>
	<20090214060335.GA20307@ocs.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902140921200.7810@duo>

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:

> The next problem is that it boots gets through all the modules then
> shows i2xoC and then basically hangs there forever.  Any idea what might
> be missing or wrong?

Is 'sysgo' present in the root directory?

-- 


From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 09:52:18 2009
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:52:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <846547.37854.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





> Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)

I thought "Bluetooth" was just those things that look
like cicadas that people with fancy cell phones hang on their ears.



      


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Feb 14 10:13:26 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:13:26 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Running os9gen on nitros9 6809L2 on a 128k coco3
In-Reply-To: <20090214060335.GA20307@ocs.net>
References: <C0FD0EAC-E206-4F0A-89D7-62121FA77C01@ocs.net>	<4994FC5D.4020502@worldnet.att.net>	<E89E8F55-3D03-4EF6-ACCD-92B72EE3317C@ocs.net>	<49957325.6020000@worldnet.att.net>	<6.2.5.6.2.20090213073443.02abd970@cloud9tech.com>	<49958C27.6030105@worldnet.att.net>
	<20090214060335.GA20307@ocs.net>
Message-ID: <4996DF96.706@worldnet.att.net>

Michael Furman wrote:
> Robert Gault (robert.gault at worldnet.att.net) recently said:
> 
>> Mark and Michael,
>> Here is the problem with insufficient memory. First, Michael I strongly 
>> suggest that you download the latest version of 6809 LevelII NitrOS-9 
>> which is now 3.2.8 . What follows is based on using that current version.
>>
>> As distributed, term is an 80 column window. That puts too much strain 
>> on the memory of a 128K system. There is enough memory to boot but not 
>> enough to even correctly run the Startup file. If you boot v3.2.6 or 
>> v3.2.8 6809 LevelII, you will find you don't get asked to set the time. 
>> That is an indication of insufficient memory. Many other commands fail 
>> under these conditions.
>> So what's to be done? Michael, you have two choices neither of which 
>> will be pleasant. You can buy more memory or you can change term to a 
>> vdg 32 column screen. I have tested the stock mb script and it will run 
>> from a 32 column term in this version. I have not tried but it is 
>> possible that a slimmed down os9boot file would give a fully working 
>> system from an 80 column term window.
>>
>> Michael, I can send you a modified boot disk or you can try changing 
>> term yourself using dEd. Here are the directions for changing term using 
>> dEd.
>>
>> dEd is not usable from a 32 column window so the change must be done 
>> from the stock distribution disk (80 column term).
>> 1. Boot NitrOS-9
>> 2. ded os9boot
>> 3. L term                this links to module term in os9boot
>> 4. e                     this gets into the edit mode
>> 5. use arrows to move to the following bytes and change them by entering 
>> new values.
>> byte   old value    new value
>> $1A    $18          $10
>> $26    $80          $01
>> 6. [ENTER]               leaves edit mode
>> 7. v                     verifies the changes and updates the CRC
>> 8. q                     exits dEd
>>
>> That will change term to a vdg type. Now reboot NitrOS-9 and a cold boot 
>> of the Coco or emulator will probably be needed.
>> Boot NitrOS-9 and you should be on a 32 column screen and you should be 
>> asked to enter the date/time. If you got this far, then the script mb 
>> should work and you also should be able to later standard.bl to fit your 
>> needs.
>>
> 
> I did this procedure to run in the 32 col mode.  That results in 40k of
> free space and the mb script now works to completion.
> 
> The next problem is that it boots gets through all the modules then
> shows i2xoC and then basically hangs there forever.  Any idea what might
> be missing or wrong?
> 

I have no idea what might be wrong at your end. The unaltered 
standard.bl script works for me after converting term to a vdg screen 
and the resulting new disk boots with no problems.
All I can think of is that you may have changed the standard.bl or mb 
scripts so that some essential file was not placed on the new disk or in 
the new os9boot file.

The error trace of i2xoC means that the boot process found module Init, 
entered OS9p2 (now krnp2), Term was opened, boot tried to fork CC3Go 
(now sysgo), and hung in the process. There actually should be an error 
number following this but that either did not print or was not reported.
As Steven suggested sysgo could not be found. However, the stock scripts 
will put sysgo in the root directory on the new disk and did so for me 
when I tested the mb script.


From jcewy at swbell.net  Sat Feb 14 10:21:49 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:21:49 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <846547.37854.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <846547.37854.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4996E18D.7060406@swbell.net>

Jim Hickle wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)
>>     
>
> I thought "Bluetooth" was just those things that look
> like cicadas that people with fancy cell phones hang on their ears.
>
>   
    Bluetooth is a short-distance wireless networking protocol that can
be used to hook up devices such as serial ports or cellular phone
earpieces.  Or lots of other things.  Calling the ear cicadas
'Bluetooth' is a little like calling Microsoft Internet Explorer 'The
Interenet'.  :-)

JCE
>
>       
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Sat Feb 14 11:34:20 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:34:20 +0000
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>
References: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <4996F28C.40506@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Steven Hirsch wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
> 
[snip]
> 
> The main problem you're facing is that RGB SCART requires composite 
> sync, while NTSC CoCo 3 systems (and maybe PAL, but I've never seen one) 
> have separate H & V sync.  I ran into this trying to interface my CoCo 
> to a scan converter that uses SCART.  If you're handy, there's a simple 
> circuit to recombine H & V to composite.  I plan to knock this together 
> Real Soon Now and play with it further.

Ok some progress, I made up some leads to go from CoCo to veroboard and 
veroboard to SCART so I can do some patching. So far I have :-

RGB on CoCo direct connected to RGB on SCART (plus grounds connected as 
needed).

H & V Sync on the CoCo XOR'd together with an LS86, and the the output 
inverted with an LS04 and passed to CSYNC on the SCART.

This produces a stable picture that is pretty crisp *BUT* in shades of 
almost white, Ii.e. the colour is all wrong :( I tried putting some 
resistors in line incase the voltage out of the CoCo was the wrong 
level, seemed higher than 0.7V when measured with my scope, looked more 
in the 2V range.

Any thoughts anyone ?

Cheers.

Phill.

-- 
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Sat Feb 14 11:43:21 2009
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:43:21 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20081207030833.5788920A15@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20081207030833.5788920A15@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <200902141143.21440.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>

Hi Roger,

Just thouight I'd let you know that with this last set of messages I decided 
it was time to move you CoCoNet threads from the "Projects" folder to 
the "CoCoHardware" folder in my message archive. 8-)


From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 11:43:05 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:43:05 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <002601c98e9a$c74ab6c0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<002601c98e9a$c74ab6c0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <20090214164347.7827E20A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 05:52 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:

>>Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)
>>Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.
>>-- Roger Taylor
>
>Can this work with more than one Coco? Say, two cocos and one PC? 
>Can this card talk to another card such as between those two Cocos?

I'll answer these questions as soon as I assemble a 2nd pak.  If the 
PC can create a separate COM port for each connected CoCo, it should 
work.  CoCo-to-CoCo should be possible as well.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 12:19:13 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:19:13 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20090214061458.02af45b8@cloud9tech.com>
References: <20090214074359.A51CC20A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<DD65FAF0-70E2-4F11-B5EC-55B10280B493@gmail.com>
	<20090214085619.0D2CE20A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090214061458.02af45b8@cloud9tech.com>
Message-ID: <20090214171954.F3CF720A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 06:35 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>You know I love hardware, so I took a real close up look.
>I am a bit confused.



>Your web site shows the CoCoNet pak but yet you are using a RS232 pak. ??

Nope.  The picture on the site shows EXACTLY the pak that I'm talking 
about which is not a Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak or any other Tandy pak, 
but it works like a Tandy pak because of the 6551 and where it's 
mapped in.  It's a simple design as you can see even from the scaled 
down image.

My pak has an EPROM socket and I can put a copy of the RS-232 Pak's 
software on that EPROM and run my pak "as an RS-232 pak clone".



>It appears from the pak in the picture, the Blue tooth device module 
>is in the upper left portion of the pak?

 From the angle the pak was shot, yes, the module is right where you 
said it is.  :)




>I admit I haven't followed the 6551 Hidden mode thread(s) that have 
>occurred in the past. Unless you are making a crystal change, how 
>would the RS232 pak not know how to use the hidden 115200 bps mode? 
>Then it really would be that it didn't know, it just that it 
>couldn't adjust the baud rate generator circuit to the numbers you 
>placed in the register. ????

No crystal change.  Because my pak CAN USE the original Tandy Pak's 
ROM software,  that software CANNOT switch to the 115200 bps mode, 
unless I'm low on coffee again or suffering from a lack of 
sleep.  So, let me restate that For Testing Purposes, the RS-232 
Pak's ROM was the first thing ran in my pak, and all was well.  The 
"CoCo never knew the difference".


>Can you further explain in detail?

It's a drop-in replacement for the Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak, only 
wireless.  No 12V is needed.  Any CoCo out there can use this pak.


>Who did the hardware design for you? Is this james's work?

Are you absolutely sure I didn't do it?  James, who?


>As each designer can select what ever chip set they would like. 
>Curious on why you selected a 6551 vs a newer chip set that would 
>have a larger built in FIFO?

For "transparency" with existing CoCo software.  Plus, if you combine 
all of the ideas I had into one little ACIA pak, it all comes down to 
software, Mark.  This leaves whatever ACIA or UART the CoCo loves 
best, and that would be the 6551.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Sat Feb 14 14:58:03 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:58:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Roger,

Ah  see your point of view now. Thanks for the explanation of what ROM you are using. 

I am pretty sure you didn't do the hardware design or lay the board out. Not picking on you but I can tell in some of your posts you are not a hardware guy.

Not James but james. Anyone that follows this list knows EXACTLY whom I am referring to.

I would tend to disagree with you on the statement of: ACIA or UART the CoCo loves best, and that would be the 6551. Believe me, the CoCo would LOVE a bigger buffer, so would the host!!

The Atmel design work I am doing can cause a 3.2GHZ Dual core, blah, blah laptop to loose data if I don't invoke hardware handshaking at 230.4Kbaud. If the PC doesn't do anything else all is fine but if I start to run some REALLY big hardware compilers and push the performance of the machine, the PC can't keep up with a $8 chip.

All is fun though.

Regards,

Mark
Cloud-9

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:19:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sneak peek

At 06:35 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>You know I love hardware, so I took a real close up look.
>I am a bit confused.



>Your web site shows the CoCoNet pak but yet you are using a RS232 pak. ??

Nope.  The picture on the site shows EXACTLY the pak that I'm talking 
about which is not a Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak or any other Tandy pak, 
but it works like a Tandy pak because of the 6551 and where it's 
mapped in.  It's a simple design as you can see even from the scaled 
down image.

My pak has an EPROM socket and I can put a copy of the RS-232 Pak's 
software on that EPROM and run my pak "as an RS-232 pak clone".



>It appears from the pak in the picture, the Blue tooth device module 
>is in the upper left portion of the pak?

 From the angle the pak was shot, yes, the module is right where you 
said it is.  :)




>I admit I haven't followed the 6551 Hidden mode thread(s) that have 
>occurred in the past. Unless you are making a crystal change, how 
>would the RS232 pak not know how to use the hidden 115200 bps mode? 
>Then it really would be that it didn't know, it just that it 
>couldn't adjust the baud rate generator circuit to the numbers you 
>placed in the register. ????

No crystal change.  Because my pak CAN USE the original Tandy Pak's 
ROM software,  that software CANNOT switch to the 115200 bps mode, 
unless I'm low on coffee again or suffering from a lack of 
sleep.  So, let me restate that For Testing Purposes, the RS-232 
Pak's ROM was the first thing ran in my pak, and all was well.  The 
"CoCo never knew the difference".


>Can you further explain in detail?

It's a drop-in replacement for the Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak, only 
wireless.  No 12V is needed.  Any CoCo out there can use this pak.


>Who did the hardware design for you? Is this james's work?

Are you absolutely sure I didn't do it?  James, who?


>As each designer can select what ever chip set they would like. 
>Curious on why you selected a 6551 vs a newer chip set that would 
>have a larger built in FIFO?

For "transparency" with existing CoCo software.  Plus, if you combine 
all of the ideas I had into one little ACIA pak, it all comes down to 
software, Mark.  This leaves whatever ACIA or UART the CoCo loves 
best, and that would be the 6551.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From mdelyea at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 15:56:44 2009
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:56:44 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>

Roger, would this work with a "Y" cable?

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mark Marlette
<mmarlette at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> Ah  see your point of view now. Thanks for the explanation of what ROM you are using.
>
> I am pretty sure you didn't do the hardware design or lay the board out. Not picking on you but I can tell in some of your posts you are not a hardware guy.
>
> Not James but james. Anyone that follows this list knows EXACTLY whom I am referring to.
>
> I would tend to disagree with you on the statement of: ACIA or UART the CoCo loves best, and that would be the 6551. Believe me, the CoCo would LOVE a bigger buffer, so would the host!!
>
> The Atmel design work I am doing can cause a 3.2GHZ Dual core, blah, blah laptop to loose data if I don't invoke hardware handshaking at 230.4Kbaud. If the PC doesn't do anything else all is fine but if I start to run some REALLY big hardware compilers and push the performance of the machine, the PC can't keep up with a $8 chip.
>
> All is fun though.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
> Cloud-9
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:19:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Sneak peek
>
> At 06:35 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>>Roger,
>>
>>You know I love hardware, so I took a real close up look.
>>I am a bit confused.
>
>
>
>>Your web site shows the CoCoNet pak but yet you are using a RS232 pak. ??
>
> Nope.  The picture on the site shows EXACTLY the pak that I'm talking
> about which is not a Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak or any other Tandy pak,
> but it works like a Tandy pak because of the 6551 and where it's
> mapped in.  It's a simple design as you can see even from the scaled
> down image.
>
> My pak has an EPROM socket and I can put a copy of the RS-232 Pak's
> software on that EPROM and run my pak "as an RS-232 pak clone".
>
>
>
>>It appears from the pak in the picture, the Blue tooth device module
>>is in the upper left portion of the pak?
>
>  From the angle the pak was shot, yes, the module is right where you
> said it is.  :)
>
>
>
>
>>I admit I haven't followed the 6551 Hidden mode thread(s) that have
>>occurred in the past. Unless you are making a crystal change, how
>>would the RS232 pak not know how to use the hidden 115200 bps mode?
>>Then it really would be that it didn't know, it just that it
>>couldn't adjust the baud rate generator circuit to the numbers you
>>placed in the register. ????
>
> No crystal change.  Because my pak CAN USE the original Tandy Pak's
> ROM software,  that software CANNOT switch to the 115200 bps mode,
> unless I'm low on coffee again or suffering from a lack of
> sleep.  So, let me restate that For Testing Purposes, the RS-232
> Pak's ROM was the first thing ran in my pak, and all was well.  The
> "CoCo never knew the difference".
>
>
>>Can you further explain in detail?
>
> It's a drop-in replacement for the Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak, only
> wireless.  No 12V is needed.  Any CoCo out there can use this pak.
>
>
>>Who did the hardware design for you? Is this james's work?
>
> Are you absolutely sure I didn't do it?  James, who?
>
>
>>As each designer can select what ever chip set they would like.
>>Curious on why you selected a 6551 vs a newer chip set that would
>>have a larger built in FIFO?
>
> For "transparency" with existing CoCo software.  Plus, if you combine
> all of the ideas I had into one little ACIA pak, it all comes down to
> software, Mark.  This leaves whatever ACIA or UART the CoCo loves
> best, and that would be the 6551.
>
>
> --
> Roger Taylor
>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
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From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 17:11:22 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:11:22 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.ro
	ch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <20090214221205.1E66A20A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 01:58 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>Ah  see your point of view now. Thanks for the explanation of what 
>ROM you are using.
>
>I am pretty sure you didn't do the hardware design or lay the board 
>out. Not picking on you but I can tell in some of your posts you are 
>not a hardware guy.

I got seriously into digital electronics back when I was probably 16 
or so.  I'm 40 now.  You'd be amazed at what I really know.  I 
remember finally burning my ancient yellow-paged notebooks filled 
with hand-drawn schematics that started as a teen.  As for asking 
CoCo questions, when we've got a large group of smarties among us 
(including us), I see no reason why anyone should assume that since a 
person is asking a general question that the person must be wet 
behind the ears.  In the almost 20 years of being on these CoCo lists 
and lucky enough to hang out with such a smart group, I've seen some 
of the smartest people ask some of the "dumbest" questions about some 
of the "simplest" things.  Notice I quoted those words because nobody 
is actually asking DUMB questions, but some of the readers ASSUME 
that Person A or B in their question or response, is the DUMB one in 
the conversation.  It's just basic E-Mail 101 that goes back to the 
BBS days when everything we said (if not followed by a SMILEY, or not 
overly explained with apologies) was considered down-right rude.

:)




>Not James but james. Anyone that follows this list knows EXACTLY 
>whom I am referring to.

I guess I've been too busy to know to which James or james you're 
referring to, but the answer is still No.



>I would tend to disagree with you on the statement of: ACIA or UART 
>the CoCo loves best, and that would be the 6551. Believe me, the 
>CoCo would LOVE a bigger buffer, so would the host!!

OS-9 and the 6551 might not have been a wise combo back in the day, 
but I've never had a problem under Disk BASIC or my own ML 
programs.  I guess it's all in the code and the choice of operating system.


>The Atmel design work I am doing can cause a 3.2GHZ Dual core, blah, 
>blah laptop to loose data if I don't invoke hardware handshaking at 
>230.4Kbaud. If the PC doesn't do anything else all is fine but if I 
>start to run some REALLY big hardware compilers and push the 
>performance of the machine, the PC can't keep up with a $8 chip.

I've almost always got 8+ apps running at once on the PC and I agree 
that when the CPU gets bogged down, even the simplest serial I/O can 
lose it's cool.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From alsplace at pobox.com  Sat Feb 14 17:15:02 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:15:02 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090214221205.1E66A20A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<20090214221205.1E66A20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <142676AF-232C-4FAF-9B30-8F3F12D2846C@pobox.com>

On Feb 14, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:
> conversation.  It's just basic E-Mail 101 that goes back to the BBS  
> days when everything we said (if not followed by a SMILEY, or not  
> overly explained with apologies) was considered down-right rude.

We didn't have smileys back then, but I do recall a convention of  
using "<grin>" or "<g>".

<g>

> OS-9 and the 6551 might not have been a wise combo back in the day,  
> but I've never had a problem under Disk BASIC or my own ML  
> programs.  I guess it's all in the code and the choice of operating  
> system.

I like the idea that it gives compatibility with the RS-DOS world. The  
downside for the alternative hard drive ROMs and things like your  
virtual drive pak will always be not working with anything other than  
DISK BASIC or things that only did DSKCON (was that the one?) calls to  
the ROM for I/O.

However, it's still way cool and looks way useful.

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From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 17:26:36 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:26:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <4996F28C.40506@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>
	<4996F28C.40506@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902141722380.11842@duo>

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:

> Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
>> 
> [snip]
>> 
>> The main problem you're facing is that RGB SCART requires composite sync, 
>> while NTSC CoCo 3 systems (and maybe PAL, but I've never seen one) have 
>> separate H & V sync.  I ran into this trying to interface my CoCo to a scan 
>> converter that uses SCART.  If you're handy, there's a simple circuit to 
>> recombine H & V to composite.  I plan to knock this together Real Soon Now 
>> and play with it further.
>
> Ok some progress, I made up some leads to go from CoCo to veroboard and 
> veroboard to SCART so I can do some patching. So far I have :-
>
> RGB on CoCo direct connected to RGB on SCART (plus grounds connected as 
> needed).
>
> H & V Sync on the CoCo XOR'd together with an LS86, and the the output 
> inverted with an LS04 and passed to CSYNC on the SCART.

That's probabably close enough for a contemporary monitor.  The circuits 
I've seen go a bit further to condition pulse widths.

> This produces a stable picture that is pretty crisp *BUT* in shades of almost 
> white, Ii.e. the colour is all wrong :( I tried putting some resistors in 
> line incase the voltage out of the CoCo was the wrong level, seemed higher 
> than 0.7V when measured with my scope, looked more in the 2V range.

A simple series resistor is not the way to go, since it plays havoc with 
impedance matching.  The source Z looking into the monitor should be as 
close to 75-ohms as practical.  A proper pad preserves both the load and 
source impedance, but a a simple divider will probably give reasonable 
results and tell you if you're on the right track.


-- 


From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 17:27:14 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:27:14 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090214222758.A7B1620A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 02:56 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>Roger, would this work with a "Y" cable?


Yes, but what do you plan to use on the other Y-cable connector?








>On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mark Marlette
><mmarlette at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> > Roger,
> >
> > Ah  see your point of view now. Thanks for the explanation of 
> what ROM you are using.
> >
> > I am pretty sure you didn't do the hardware design or lay the 
> board out. Not picking on you but I can tell in some of your posts 
> you are not a hardware guy.
> >
> > Not James but james. Anyone that follows this list knows EXACTLY 
> whom I am referring to.
> >
> > I would tend to disagree with you on the statement of: ACIA or 
> UART the CoCo loves best, and that would be the 6551. Believe me, 
> the CoCo would LOVE a bigger buffer, so would the host!!
> >
> > The Atmel design work I am doing can cause a 3.2GHZ Dual core, 
> blah, blah laptop to loose data if I don't invoke hardware 
> handshaking at 230.4Kbaud. If the PC doesn't do anything else all 
> is fine but if I start to run some REALLY big hardware compilers 
> and push the performance of the machine, the PC can't keep up with a $8 chip.
> >
> > All is fun though.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> > Cloud-9
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
> > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:19:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Sneak peek
> >
> > At 06:35 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
> >>Roger,
> >>
> >>You know I love hardware, so I took a real close up look.
> >>I am a bit confused.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Your web site shows the CoCoNet pak but yet you are using a RS232 pak. ??
> >
> > Nope.  The picture on the site shows EXACTLY the pak that I'm talking
> > about which is not a Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak or any other Tandy pak,
> > but it works like a Tandy pak because of the 6551 and where it's
> > mapped in.  It's a simple design as you can see even from the scaled
> > down image.
> >
> > My pak has an EPROM socket and I can put a copy of the RS-232 Pak's
> > software on that EPROM and run my pak "as an RS-232 pak clone".
> >
> >
> >
> >>It appears from the pak in the picture, the Blue tooth device module
> >>is in the upper left portion of the pak?
> >
> >  From the angle the pak was shot, yes, the module is right where you
> > said it is.  :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I admit I haven't followed the 6551 Hidden mode thread(s) that have
> >>occurred in the past. Unless you are making a crystal change, how
> >>would the RS232 pak not know how to use the hidden 115200 bps mode?
> >>Then it really would be that it didn't know, it just that it
> >>couldn't adjust the baud rate generator circuit to the numbers you
> >>placed in the register. ????
> >
> > No crystal change.  Because my pak CAN USE the original Tandy Pak's
> > ROM software,  that software CANNOT switch to the 115200 bps mode,
> > unless I'm low on coffee again or suffering from a lack of
> > sleep.  So, let me restate that For Testing Purposes, the RS-232
> > Pak's ROM was the first thing ran in my pak, and all was well.  The
> > "CoCo never knew the difference".
> >
> >
> >>Can you further explain in detail?
> >
> > It's a drop-in replacement for the Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak, only
> > wireless.  No 12V is needed.  Any CoCo out there can use this pak.
> >
> >
> >>Who did the hardware design for you? Is this james's work?
> >
> > Are you absolutely sure I didn't do it?  James, who?
> >
> >
> >>As each designer can select what ever chip set they would like.
> >>Curious on why you selected a 6551 vs a newer chip set that would
> >>have a larger built in FIFO?
> >
> > For "transparency" with existing CoCo software.  Plus, if you combine
> > all of the ideas I had into one little ACIA pak, it all comes down to
> > software, Mark.  This leaves whatever ACIA or UART the CoCo loves
> > best, and that would be the 6551.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Roger Taylor
> >
> > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> > --
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> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
>
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-- 
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From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 17:39:35 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:39:35 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <142676AF-232C-4FAF-9B30-8F3F12D2846C@pobox.com>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<20090214221205.1E66A20A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<142676AF-232C-4FAF-9B30-8F3F12D2846C@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20090214224028.E44C220A15@qs281.pair.com>

At 04:15 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>On Feb 14, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:
>>conversation.  It's just basic E-Mail 101 that goes back to the BBS
>>days when everything we said (if not followed by a SMILEY, or not
>>overly explained with apologies) was considered down-right rude.
>
>We didn't have smileys back then, but I do recall a convention of
>using "<grin>" or "<g>".
>
><g>

Haha.  And then it just went bizerk and we started seeing insanely 
funny stuff like this:

<please don't kill me mode ON>
Can someone please tell me how to unsubscribe from this list
</please don't kill me mode OFF>


...and just plain out begging to be forgiven by the masses for even 
having the notion to POST a message knowing the attacks were coming.

"I apologize for being a newbie and all, and my mother has been 
really sick the past few weeks and I haven't been up to date on 
things, plus my dog got hit by a car, but could you guys be so kind 
as to forgive my ignorance here and shed some light on the topic to 
which I'm having trouble following using my out of date e-mail program...."

followed by replies such as "DO YOU EVEN READ OUR MESSAGES?"  "WHAT 
PART DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, BILLY BOB ??"  They always quote your name 
when they're trying to make you look like an ass.  :)  "So, MIKEY, 
have you even turned to page 23 yet to see that your answer is RIGHT 
THERE in paragraph 3, sentence #4 ???  No, you didn't, because you're 
an ass!"    :)  It would be so much quicker to just type the short 
sentence to the poor guy, but hell no... somebody didn't drink their 
coffee this morning, and now everybody's actually on the cranky guy's 
side for some strange reason.  That's what we got in 1990.  That's 
what we get in 2009.  You gotta love it.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Sat Feb 14 17:51:15 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:51:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090214221205.1E66A20A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1116717570.947731234651875284.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Roger,

Didn't mean to hit a nerve. You did ask the public to design and build a while back and had some offers.

That is all.

No need to over explain.......

:) Back at ya!

Regards,

Mark


----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:11:22 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sneak peek

At 01:58 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>Ah  see your point of view now. Thanks for the explanation of what 
>ROM you are using.
>
>I am pretty sure you didn't do the hardware design or lay the board 
>out. Not picking on you but I can tell in some of your posts you are 
>not a hardware guy.

I got seriously into digital electronics back when I was probably 16 
or so.  I'm 40 now.  You'd be amazed at what I really know.  I 
remember finally burning my ancient yellow-paged notebooks filled 
with hand-drawn schematics that started as a teen.  As for asking 
CoCo questions, when we've got a large group of smarties among us 
(including us), I see no reason why anyone should assume that since a 
person is asking a general question that the person must be wet 
behind the ears.  In the almost 20 years of being on these CoCo lists 
and lucky enough to hang out with such a smart group, I've seen some 
of the smartest people ask some of the "dumbest" questions about some 
of the "simplest" things.  Notice I quoted those words because nobody 
is actually asking DUMB questions, but some of the readers ASSUME 
that Person A or B in their question or response, is the DUMB one in 
the conversation.  It's just basic E-Mail 101 that goes back to the 
BBS days when everything we said (if not followed by a SMILEY, or not 
overly explained with apologies) was considered down-right rude.

:)




>Not James but james. Anyone that follows this list knows EXACTLY 
>whom I am referring to.

I guess I've been too busy to know to which James or james you're 
referring to, but the answer is still No.



>I would tend to disagree with you on the statement of: ACIA or UART 
>the CoCo loves best, and that would be the 6551. Believe me, the 
>CoCo would LOVE a bigger buffer, so would the host!!

OS-9 and the 6551 might not have been a wise combo back in the day, 
but I've never had a problem under Disk BASIC or my own ML 
programs.  I guess it's all in the code and the choice of operating system.


>The Atmel design work I am doing can cause a 3.2GHZ Dual core, blah, 
>blah laptop to loose data if I don't invoke hardware handshaking at 
>230.4Kbaud. If the PC doesn't do anything else all is fine but if I 
>start to run some REALLY big hardware compilers and push the 
>performance of the machine, the PC can't keep up with a $8 chip.

I've almost always got 8+ apps running at once on the PC and I agree 
that when the CPU gets bogged down, even the simplest serial I/O can 
lose it's cool.


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


--
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From jdaggett at gate.net  Sat Feb 14 20:18:54 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:18:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <4996F28C.40506@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>,
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>,
	<4996F28C.40506@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4997272E.24133.125DDBC@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 14 Feb 2009 at 16:34, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:

> Steven Hirsch wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
> > 
> [snip]
> > 
> > The main problem you're facing is that RGB SCART requires composite
> > sync, while NTSC CoCo 3 systems (and maybe PAL, but I've never seen
> > one) have separate H & V sync.  I ran into this trying to interface
> > my CoCo to a scan converter that uses SCART.  If you're handy,
> > there's a simple circuit to recombine H & V to composite.  I plan to
> > knock this together Real Soon Now and play with it further.
> 
> Ok some progress, I made up some leads to go from CoCo to veroboard
> and veroboard to SCART so I can do some patching. So far I have :-
> 
> RGB on CoCo direct connected to RGB on SCART (plus grounds connected
> as needed).
> 
> H & V Sync on the CoCo XOR'd together with an LS86, and the the output
> inverted with an LS04 and passed to CSYNC on the SCART.
> 
> This produces a stable picture that is pretty crisp *BUT* in shades of
> almost white, Ii.e. the colour is all wrong :( I tried putting some
> resistors in line incase the voltage out of the CoCo was the wrong
> level, seemed higher than 0.7V when measured with my scope, looked
> more in the 2V range.
> 
> Any thoughts anyone ?
> 


The voltage from the Coco VGA is in the range of 0.8 VDC to 2.0 VDC. SO 
if you are seeing voltage maximums around 2.0 VDC then that would be 
correct. Remember the Coco3 was designed to drive the CM8 monitor or 
vice versa.

To drive a different monitor that needs lower levels then I suggest using a 
resister divider network and then buffer that with an op amp to drive the 75 
Ohm impedance of the monitor input.  do not try and use a resistor divder 
then feed that to the monitor. That will screw up the impedance match. 

james



From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 20:35:01 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:35:01 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <1116717570.947731234651875284.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.ro
	ch.ny.frontiernet.net>
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At 04:51 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>Didn't mean to hit a nerve. You did ask the public to design and 
>build a while back and had some offers.
>That is all.
>No need to over explain.......
>:) Back at ya!
>Regards,
>Mark


It didn't quite work that way, though.  :)



Btw, getting back to quality chit-chat here... :)  while it's on my 
mind, I'm looking at that 6551 replacement chip I mentioned a few 
weeks ago here and was wondering if it has improvements over the 
Rockwell 6551 that you are aware of.  I've got 2 of these now that 
I'm about to try in my pak but just typing back and forth won't prove 
much.  If by chance it has a bigger FIFO it would be nice but the 
price of these chips I think is over twice the cost of the Rockwell 
chips I've obtained.  I'm trying to keep the pak cost as low as 
possible but then everything is socketed, so anyone would have the 
option of customizing the boogers to their liking, even preset 
jumpers for 6551 tastes.

here's the 6551 replacment chip page
http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c51s-chip.cfm

Features of the W65C51S
    * Full duplex operation with buffered receiver and transmitter
    * Data set/modem control functions
    * Internal baud rate generator with 15 programmable baud rates 
(50 to 19,200)
    * Program selectable internally or externally controlled receiver rate
    * Programmable word lengths, number of stop bits and parity bit 
generation and detection
    * Programmable interrupt control
    * Program reset
    * Program selectable serial echo mode
    * 2 Chip Selects
    * 14 MHz Operating Bus Speed
    * 5V Power Supply
    * Full TTL compatibility
    * Bus compatible with 14 MHz W65C02S and W65C816S
    * Bus Compatible with 65xx and 68xx microprocessors
    * Replacement for CMD / GTE Harris / MOS Technology / GE / RCA / 
Synertek / Motorola / Freescale / Rockwell R6551, 65SC51, 65C51, 
6551, CPD65C51, 6551, 6850

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com


From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Sat Feb 14 21:24:52 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:24:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090215013545.33DB520A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1180147372.970651234664692888.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>


That I do not know. You will also enjoy interfacing into all of the different USB com ports etc....


----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:35:01 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sneak peek


At 04:51 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>Roger,
>
>Didn't mean to hit a nerve. You did ask the public to design and 
>build a while back and had some offers.
>That is all.
>No need to over explain.......
>:) Back at ya!
>Regards,
>Mark


It didn't quite work that way, though.  :)



Btw, getting back to quality chit-chat here... :)  while it's on my 
mind, I'm looking at that 6551 replacement chip I mentioned a few 
weeks ago here and was wondering if it has improvements over the 
Rockwell 6551 that you are aware of.  I've got 2 of these now that 
I'm about to try in my pak but just typing back and forth won't prove 
much.  If by chance it has a bigger FIFO it would be nice but the 
price of these chips I think is over twice the cost of the Rockwell 
chips I've obtained.  I'm trying to keep the pak cost as low as 
possible but then everything is socketed, so anyone would have the 
option of customizing the boogers to their liking, even preset 
jumpers for 6551 tastes.

here's the 6551 replacment chip page
http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c51s-chip.cfm

Features of the W65C51S
    * Full duplex operation with buffered receiver and transmitter
    * Data set/modem control functions
    * Internal baud rate generator with 15 programmable baud rates 
(50 to 19,200)
    * Program selectable internally or externally controlled receiver rate
    * Programmable word lengths, number of stop bits and parity bit 
generation and detection
    * Programmable interrupt control
    * Program reset
    * Program selectable serial echo mode
    * 2 Chip Selects
    * 14 MHz Operating Bus Speed
    * 5V Power Supply
    * Full TTL compatibility
    * Bus compatible with 14 MHz W65C02S and W65C816S
    * Bus Compatible with 65xx and 68xx microprocessors
    * Replacement for CMD / GTE Harris / MOS Technology / GE / RCA / 
Synertek / Motorola / Freescale / Rockwell R6551, 65SC51, 65C51, 
6551, CPD65C51, 6551, 6850

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com

--
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Coco at maltedmedia.com
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From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sat Feb 14 23:28:32 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:28:32 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow july 1991 uploading
Message-ID: <gn85lg+mdgp@eGroups.com>

now uploading to excalibur1

152 megabytes
will take about 2 hours 15 mins



From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 14 23:55:25 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:55:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <1180147372.970651234664692888.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.ro
	ch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <20090215013545.33DB520A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<1180147372.970651234664692888.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <20090215045614.D702B20A13@qs281.pair.com>

Mark,
I just dropped the Data Center's 6551 replacement in my pak and it's 
not working correctly from my initial tests using the stock RS-232 
Pak's ROM software.  I was just using the same setup with the 
Rockwell 6551 in the socket, no problems.  I restarted HyperTerminal 
and opened the connection again as usual.  I'm getting periodic 
freezes on the CoCo, and junk received on the PC.  The CoCo doesn't 
receive anything typed from the CoCo.  I'll look into this matter 
more but I'm also going to contact those guys and ask more about the 
chip if nothing improves.




At 08:24 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:

>That I do not know. You will also enjoy interfacing into all of the 
>different USB com ports etc....
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
>To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:35:01 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>Subject: Re: [Coco] Sneak peek
>
>
>At 04:51 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
> >Roger,
> >
> >Didn't mean to hit a nerve. You did ask the public to design and
> >build a while back and had some offers.
> >That is all.
> >No need to over explain.......
> >:) Back at ya!
> >Regards,
> >Mark
>
>
>It didn't quite work that way, though.  :)
>
>
>
>Btw, getting back to quality chit-chat here... :)  while it's on my
>mind, I'm looking at that 6551 replacement chip I mentioned a few
>weeks ago here and was wondering if it has improvements over the
>Rockwell 6551 that you are aware of.  I've got 2 of these now that
>I'm about to try in my pak but just typing back and forth won't prove
>much.  If by chance it has a bigger FIFO it would be nice but the
>price of these chips I think is over twice the cost of the Rockwell
>chips I've obtained.  I'm trying to keep the pak cost as low as
>possible but then everything is socketed, so anyone would have the
>option of customizing the boogers to their liking, even preset
>jumpers for 6551 tastes.
>
>here's the 6551 replacment chip page
>http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c51s-chip.cfm
>
>Features of the W65C51S
>     * Full duplex operation with buffered receiver and transmitter
>     * Data set/modem control functions
>     * Internal baud rate generator with 15 programmable baud rates
>(50 to 19,200)
>     * Program selectable internally or externally controlled receiver rate
>     * Programmable word lengths, number of stop bits and parity bit
>generation and detection
>     * Programmable interrupt control
>     * Program reset
>     * Program selectable serial echo mode
>     * 2 Chip Selects
>     * 14 MHz Operating Bus Speed
>     * 5V Power Supply
>     * Full TTL compatibility
>     * Bus compatible with 14 MHz W65C02S and W65C816S
>     * Bus Compatible with 65xx and 68xx microprocessors
>     * Replacement for CMD / GTE Harris / MOS Technology / GE / RCA /
>Synertek / Motorola / Freescale / Rockwell R6551, 65SC51, 65C51,
>6551, CPD65C51, 6551, 6850
>
>--
>Roger Taylor
>
>http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>--
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-- 
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http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From awe53721 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Feb 14 23:31:46 2009
From: awe53721 at bigpond.net.au (Mr Weston)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:31:46 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: rainbow july 1991 uploading
In-Reply-To: <gn85lg+mdgp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gn85ri+gj66@eGroups.com>

Haha --- I downloading it will take four days 20 hours and 32 minutes.

> now uploading to excalibur1
> 
> 152 megabytes
> will take about 2 hours 15 mins
>




From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb 15 01:40:36 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:40:36 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <1180147372.970651234664692888.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.ro
	ch.ny.frontiernet.net>
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	<1180147372.970651234664692888.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <20090215064132.7503920A13@qs281.pair.com>


Well, here's the problem(s) with WDC's "lab rat" issued free 6551 
samples.  Look at pages 25 and up.  I see no reason to even try to 
use these chips right now, but I did report the problem I was having 
which seems to be related to the known chip bugs.  I can get brand 
new Rockwell 6551's at a decent price, so that is that.

http://www.datasheetarchive.com/W65C51S-datasheet.html



At 08:24 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:

>That I do not know. You will also enjoy interfacing into all of the 
>different USB com ports etc....
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
>To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:35:01 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>Subject: Re: [Coco] Sneak peek
>
>
>At 04:51 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
> >Roger,
> >
> >Didn't mean to hit a nerve. You did ask the public to design and
> >build a while back and had some offers.
> >That is all.
> >No need to over explain.......
> >:) Back at ya!
> >Regards,
> >Mark
>
>
>It didn't quite work that way, though.  :)
>
>
>
>Btw, getting back to quality chit-chat here... :)  while it's on my
>mind, I'm looking at that 6551 replacement chip I mentioned a few
>weeks ago here and was wondering if it has improvements over the
>Rockwell 6551 that you are aware of.  I've got 2 of these now that
>I'm about to try in my pak but just typing back and forth won't prove
>much.  If by chance it has a bigger FIFO it would be nice but the
>price of these chips I think is over twice the cost of the Rockwell
>chips I've obtained.  I'm trying to keep the pak cost as low as
>possible but then everything is socketed, so anyone would have the
>option of customizing the boogers to their liking, even preset
>jumpers for 6551 tastes.
>
>here's the 6551 replacment chip page
>http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c51s-chip.cfm
>
>Features of the W65C51S
>     * Full duplex operation with buffered receiver and transmitter
>     * Data set/modem control functions
>     * Internal baud rate generator with 15 programmable baud rates
>(50 to 19,200)
>     * Program selectable internally or externally controlled receiver rate
>     * Programmable word lengths, number of stop bits and parity bit
>generation and detection
>     * Programmable interrupt control
>     * Program reset
>     * Program selectable serial echo mode
>     * 2 Chip Selects
>     * 14 MHz Operating Bus Speed
>     * 5V Power Supply
>     * Full TTL compatibility
>     * Bus compatible with 14 MHz W65C02S and W65C816S
>     * Bus Compatible with 65xx and 68xx microprocessors
>     * Replacement for CMD / GTE Harris / MOS Technology / GE / RCA /
>Synertek / Motorola / Freescale / Rockwell R6551, 65SC51, 65C51,
>6551, CPD65C51, 6551, 6850
>
>--
>Roger Taylor
>
>http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>--
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>
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From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sun Feb 15 06:32:18 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:32:18 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow august & september 1991 uploading
Message-ID: <gn8ug2+67bn@eGroups.com>

now uploading both to excalibur1
both files are about 130 megabyte each


will take about 1 hour 45 min per pdf





From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb 15 06:56:52 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 05:56:52 -0600
Subject: [Coco] new CCASM feature!
Message-ID: <20090215115740.0193A20A15@qs281.pair.com>

For any CCASM users reading, I've added yet another excellent feature 
to the cross assembler.

Suppose you've assembled a LOADM'able file that's intended live-patch 
the Disk BASIC ROM in a CoCo 3...  for example, RAM disk patches, 
DSKCON replacers, etc.

Once your patcher .bin has been assembled, then what?  You have to 
actually boot into BASIC, type LOADM "DOSPATCH" or whatever you 
called the file, then hope it doesn't crash the system since DOS is 
actually in use while the patch is being loaded.  There's a lot of 
DOS patches out there that really and truly would be better off just 
being in the actual ROM on power-up.

SOLVED  - Well, sort of.  For those with EPROM burners, this is pure magic.

CCASM can now use the -dospatch switch to import an existing 8K ROM 
file (such as DECB11.ROM), then reload your just-assembled 
DOSPATCH.BIN file, and merge the two files together just as if you 
had LOADM'ed the patch into a real CoCo.  The new patched ROM will be 
written out as a new .ROM file.

And there you go.  Burn it to an EPROM, stick it in a disk 
controller, and you're ready.  Sure, you can do this from a CoCo, but 
to have the Rainbow IDE do all this work for you is pretty 
nice.  Plus, this feature HAD to be done to help speed up the 
development of the CoCoNet system.

Btw, it also works with GAME PAK IMAGES.  If you know what areas need 
to be patched, just build your .asm file with all the ORG 
#####  statements followed by the instructions or raw opcodes to 
patch starting at those addresses.  The ORG order doesn't matter.

I haven't posted the latest updates of CCASM because I've had no time 
to update the PDF documentation, but if you want a copy of the 
latest, just e-mail me and I'll send it back to you.  This version 
also has the LOADMMU trick in it for loading huge programs directly 
into the MMU blocks of your choice, plus the regular "CPU space".

Cheers


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Sun Feb 15 08:35:25 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:35:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow uploads
Message-ID: <007801c98f72$42ab8330$c8028990$@rr.com>

I'm sure some of you are getting tired of my repeated asking where the
Rainbow uploads are available for viewing or for download, but after two
other previous messages, I'm beginning to believe that no-one wants to share
that information.

All you gotta do is tell me it's none of my business, and I'll quit asking.

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From coconut at pritchard.ca  Sun Feb 15 09:12:47 2009
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:12:47 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090214222758.A7B1620A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090214222758.A7B1620A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>

For myself, I would need to use a Y-cable for a FDC (26-3029) with  
your Bluetooth version of the pak to allow use of real floppy drive.   
Since I don't have an MPI or equivalent.

Hasn't the patent expired on the MPI design so someone can replicate  
that thing and put it into production again?

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 14-Feb-09, at 4:27 PM, Roger Taylor wrote:

> At 02:56 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>> Roger, would this work with a "Y" cable?
>
>
> Yes, but what do you plan to use on the other Y-cable connector?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mark Marlette
>> <mmarlette at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> > Roger,
>> >
>> > Ah  see your point of view now. Thanks for the explanation of  
>> what ROM you are using.
>> >
>> > I am pretty sure you didn't do the hardware design or lay the  
>> board out. Not picking on you but I can tell in some of your posts  
>> you are not a hardware guy.
>> >
>> > Not James but james. Anyone that follows this list knows EXACTLY  
>> whom I am referring to.
>> >
>> > I would tend to disagree with you on the statement of: ACIA or  
>> UART the CoCo loves best, and that would be the 6551. Believe me,  
>> the CoCo would LOVE a bigger buffer, so would the host!!
>> >
>> > The Atmel design work I am doing can cause a 3.2GHZ Dual core,  
>> blah, blah laptop to loose data if I don't invoke hardware  
>> handshaking at 230.4Kbaud. If the PC doesn't do anything else all  
>> is fine but if I start to run some REALLY big hardware compilers  
>> and push the performance of the machine, the PC can't keep up with  
>> a $8 chip.
>> >
>> > All is fun though.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Mark
>> > Cloud-9
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>
>> > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts"  
>> <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:19:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/ 
>> Canada Central
>> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Sneak peek
>> >
>> > At 06:35 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:
>> >>Roger,
>> >>
>> >>You know I love hardware, so I took a real close up look.
>> >>I am a bit confused.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>Your web site shows the CoCoNet pak but yet you are using a RS232  
>> pak. ??
>> >
>> > Nope.  The picture on the site shows EXACTLY the pak that I'm  
>> talking
>> > about which is not a Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak or any other Tandy  
>> pak,
>> > but it works like a Tandy pak because of the 6551 and where it's
>> > mapped in.  It's a simple design as you can see even from the  
>> scaled
>> > down image.
>> >
>> > My pak has an EPROM socket and I can put a copy of the RS-232 Pak's
>> > software on that EPROM and run my pak "as an RS-232 pak clone".
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>It appears from the pak in the picture, the Blue tooth device  
>> module
>> >>is in the upper left portion of the pak?
>> >
>> >  From the angle the pak was shot, yes, the module is right where  
>> you
>> > said it is.  :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>I admit I haven't followed the 6551 Hidden mode thread(s) that have
>> >>occurred in the past. Unless you are making a crystal change, how
>> >>would the RS232 pak not know how to use the hidden 115200 bps mode?
>> >>Then it really would be that it didn't know, it just that it
>> >>couldn't adjust the baud rate generator circuit to the numbers you
>> >>placed in the register. ????
>> >
>> > No crystal change.  Because my pak CAN USE the original Tandy Pak's
>> > ROM software,  that software CANNOT switch to the 115200 bps mode,
>> > unless I'm low on coffee again or suffering from a lack of
>> > sleep.  So, let me restate that For Testing Purposes, the RS-232
>> > Pak's ROM was the first thing ran in my pak, and all was well.  The
>> > "CoCo never knew the difference".
>> >
>> >
>> >>Can you further explain in detail?
>> >
>> > It's a drop-in replacement for the Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak, only
>> > wireless.  No 12V is needed.  Any CoCo out there can use this pak.
>> >
>> >
>> >>Who did the hardware design for you? Is this james's work?
>> >
>> > Are you absolutely sure I didn't do it?  James, who?
>> >
>> >
>> >>As each designer can select what ever chip set they would like.
>> >>Curious on why you selected a 6551 vs a newer chip set that would
>> >>have a larger built in FIFO?
>> >
>> > For "transparency" with existing CoCo software.  Plus, if you  
>> combine
>> > all of the ideas I had into one little ACIA pak, it all comes  
>> down to
>> > software, Mark.  This leaves whatever ACIA or UART the CoCo loves
>> > best, and that would be the 6551.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Roger Taylor
>> >
>> > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>> >
>>
>> --
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>
> -- 
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>
> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com
>
>
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From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 09:21:03 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:21:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090214222758.A7B1620A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902150918370.11842@duo>

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Ryan Pritchard wrote:

> Hasn't the patent expired on the MPI design so someone can replicate that 
> thing and put it into production again?

I seriously doubt that Tandy held patents on the MPI.  If you squint, the 
PAL equations used in the small beige unit might be subject to copyright 
protection, but that's even a stretch.

The major challenge in cloning the MPI is the mechanical aspect.


-- 


From os9dude at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 09:22:55 2009
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:22:55 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow uploads
In-Reply-To: <007801c98f72$42ab8330$c8028990$@rr.com>
References: <007801c98f72$42ab8330$c8028990$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580902150622s46f88903o936632a834cffae3@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried searching for that information in the list archives? there is
a link appended to each message on where to go for those.

I don't have the information as I really have not followed those posts, saw
something fly about where the effort on putting the electronic copies not
too long ago so limit your search perhaps to February posts.


-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> I'm sure some of you are getting tired of my repeated asking where the
> Rainbow uploads are available for viewing or for download, but after two
> other previous messages, I'm beginning to believe that no-one wants to
> share
> that information.
>
> All you gotta do is tell me it's none of my business, and I'll quit asking.


From cocomongrel at googlemail.com  Sun Feb 15 09:40:40 2009
From: cocomongrel at googlemail.com (CoCo Mongrel)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:40:40 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow uploads
Message-ID: <bf35da7d0902150640h74aeb41bo4b444fdf929a40ef@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm sure some of you are getting tired of my repeated asking where the
> Rainbow uploads are available for viewing or for download, but after two
> other previous messages, I'm beginning to believe that no-one wants to share
> that information.
>
> All you gotta do is tell me it's none of my business, and I'll quit asking.

Hi Bill,

I don't think you're being intentionally snubbed.  I think the
messages about the magazine scans are actually being posted not to the
the Maltedmedia mail list, but to a Yahoo group which gets forwarded
to the mail list.  Unfortunately, if you reply to one of those
messages, the reply goes back to the mail list, and not the Yahoo
group, so the original posters are never getting your questions.

Below is the text of the original message announcing the FTP server
they are referring to:

cocomongrel


Subject: [Coco] CoCo Files repository
>From ChadH
12/7/2008 10:23 PM

Hi, many of us have personal collections of .PDF manuals, .DSK softwares and
other nick nacks we would like to share but keep having to find a good place
to host the files.  Some I have seen use RapidShare, others I've seen host
right from their own PC (I used to do this.)  Unfortunately these have their
limitations and problems.



It so happens I have a personal server with 30+ gigs of space unallocated at
the moment and I'm offering the space as a sort of CoCo repository, if
anyone is interested.  The files people upload there will be available to
the rest of the community.  Please let me know your thoughts on this.



Upload:

                ftp://excalibur1.net    username: cocoshare
password:share

This is the upload point.  Once the files are received I will evaluate them

to make sure they are appropriate for the CoCo repository and not just

someone fooling around.  Then I will move them to the permanent

HTTP share point at http://excalibur1.net/coco


From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Sun Feb 15 09:46:40 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:46:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow uploads
References: <007801c98f72$42ab8330$c8028990$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D08F9195C014BA6BE4A2E3C06188555@speedy>

It was posted on the RainbowArchive list.
I guess nobody is paying much attention to what is echoed where.
Here is the excaliber link and the RainbowArchive group link.

Bruce W.

============================================


From: "Chad" <chadbh at excalibur1.net>
To: <RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: [RainbowArchive] Re: coco-link magazines 1993, 1994, 1995 uploaded


> Thanks, I will re-locate the files to the main site at
> http://excalibur1.net/coco asap.
> - Chad
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive/
>

========================================================\
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill"

> I'm sure some of you are getting tired of my repeated asking where the
> Rainbow uploads are available for viewing or for download, but after two
> other previous messages, I'm beginning to believe that no-one wants to 
> share
> that information.
>
> All you gotta do is tell me it's none of my business, and I'll quit 
> asking.
>
> ______________________________________ 



From mark at cloud9tech.com  Sun Feb 15 09:59:22 2009
From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:59:22 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902150918370.11842@duo>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090214222758.A7B1620A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902150918370.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090215085648.02aaee78@cloud9tech.com>


Even so, if one knows the CoCo/MPI well enough, you just make your own. :)

GAL16V8, can't stick a whole lot of smarts in those chips.

Mark
Cloud-9

At 2/15/2009 08:21 AM, you wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>
>>Hasn't the patent expired on the MPI design so someone can 
>>replicate that thing and put it into production again?
>
>I seriously doubt that Tandy held patents on the MPI.  If you 
>squint, the PAL equations used in the small beige unit might be 
>subject to copyright protection, but that's even a stretch.
>
>The major challenge in cloning the MPI is the mechanical aspect.
>
>
>--
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
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>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>02/13/09 18:29:00


From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 10:04:54 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:04:54 +0000
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <49936517.5010805@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>
	<49936517.5010805@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49982F16.8070507@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Success !

I have now got RGB working, and it provides a much better picture, for 
the first time I can actually use NitroOS9 in 80 column mode and read 
the text !

My problem was that I was not feeding +5V to Pin 16 on the SCART 
connector, so the TV was interpreting my signals as Composite video, 
which is why it was way to bright. Ended up examining my BBC micro scart 
cable which I knew worked, and was a machine of a similar age.

Once I did this I could feed the signals direct from the CoCo to the TV 
and it produced a picture without problems, though a little bright, 
placing a set of 120R resistors inline with theRGB signals seems to have 
brought the brightness down, though it does seem a little more noisy, 
maybe due to impedence mis-match....analog electronics was never my 
strong point.


One thing I did notice in ECB was that the CLS colours are slightly 
different :-

CLS	Composite/TV	RGB
0	Black		Black
1	Green		Green
2	Yellow		Blue
3	Blue		Orange
4	Red		Grey
5	White		White
6	Greenish	Yellow
7	Purple		Red
8	Pink		Light blue
9	Green/MS	Green/MS

Allowing for the fact that this is an NTSC CoCo3 on a PAL TV, though it 
is NTSC capable, and the fact that I'm slightly Red-Green colourblind, 
is this normal ?

Cheers,

Phill.


-- 
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 10:37:00 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:37:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20090215085648.02aaee78@cloud9tech.com>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090214222758.A7B1620A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902150918370.11842@duo>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090215085648.02aaee78@cloud9tech.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151035320.11842@duo>

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Mark Marlette wrote:

>
> Even so, if one knows the CoCo/MPI well enough, you just make your own. :)
>
> GAL16V8, can't stick a whole lot of smarts in those chips.

I was just being pedantic :-).

As a practical matter, there's no shortage of these things out there. 
The last two I picked up were $35 (eBay) and cost-of-shipping 
respectively.

Steve



>> 
>>> Hasn't the patent expired on the MPI design so someone can replicate that 
>>> thing and put it into production again?
>> 
>> I seriously doubt that Tandy held patents on the MPI.  If you squint, the 
>> PAL equations used in the small beige unit might be subject to copyright 
>> protection, but that's even a stretch.
>> 
>> The major challenge in cloning the MPI is the mechanical aspect.

-- 


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Feb 15 10:38:21 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:38:21 -0500
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <49982F16.8070507@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111810230.7810@duo>	<49936517.5010805@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
	<49982F16.8070507@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <499836ED.6020507@worldnet.att.net>

Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
> Success !
> 
> I have now got RGB working, and it provides a much better picture, for 
> the first time I can actually use NitroOS9 in 80 column mode and read 
> the text !
> 
> My problem was that I was not feeding +5V to Pin 16 on the SCART 
> connector, so the TV was interpreting my signals as Composite video, 
> which is why it was way to bright. Ended up examining my BBC micro scart 
> cable which I knew worked, and was a machine of a similar age.
> 
> Once I did this I could feed the signals direct from the CoCo to the TV 
> and it produced a picture without problems, though a little bright, 
> placing a set of 120R resistors inline with theRGB signals seems to have 
> brought the brightness down, though it does seem a little more noisy, 
> maybe due to impedence mis-match....analog electronics was never my 
> strong point.
> 
> 
> One thing I did notice in ECB was that the CLS colours are slightly 
> different :-
> 
> CLS    Composite/TV    RGB
> 0    Black        Black
> 1    Green        Green
> 2    Yellow        Blue
> 3    Blue        Orange
> 4    Red        Grey
> 5    White        White
> 6    Greenish    Yellow
> 7    Purple        Red
> 8    Pink        Light blue
> 9    Green/MS    Green/MS
> 
> Allowing for the fact that this is an NTSC CoCo3 on a PAL TV, though it 
> is NTSC capable, and the fact that I'm slightly Red-Green colourblind, 
> is this normal ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 

I don't know whether you did this, but both Basic and OS-9 require you 
to tell the system whether a CMP or RGB monitor is in use. There are two 
sets of default palette colors, one for CMP and one for RGB. Basic 
defaults to CMP as does OS-9, and NitrOS-9 now has the default monitor 
selection in Init.
If all you do is change to an RGB monitor instead of a composite, the 
default colors will indeed be wrong.

For Basic enter RGB to get those colors. For OS-9 (without making any 
changes to the system) enter montype -r. If you want permanently to 
select an RGB monitor for NitrOS-9, change Init byte $25 from 0 to 1.


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 10:41:26 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:41:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo FUSE for Linux ressurrected!
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151037010.11842@duo>

All,

I was bored yesterday and spent some time debugging the cocofuse driver in 
toolshed.  The fixes were quite simple and Boisy indicates he'll be 
checking the updates into SourceForge's CVS archive shortly.

It builds and works on both 32 and 64 bit Linux platforms.

For those unfamiliar with FUSE, it stands for Filesystem in USEr space. 
After loading a kernel module that's now standard in all Linux 
distributions I'm aware of, you can use 'cocofuse' to mount a CoCo 
diskette image (*.dsk file) and have it appear as part of the filesystem.

I've only tried it with OS-9 images, since I don't really do much of 
anything with DECB.  YMMV.

Steve


-- 


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 11:42:57 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:42:57 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090214222758.A7B1620A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902150842l79ba8db2s3869c9eb87f8b47f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/15/09, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> For myself, I would need to use a Y-cable for a FDC (26-3029) with
> your Bluetooth version of the pak to allow use of real floppy drive.
> Since I don't have an MPI or equivalent.
>
> Hasn't the patent expired on the MPI design so someone can replicate
> that thing and put it into production again?
>
> Regards,
> Ryan Pritchard

---

A Y-cable will likely work if you remove the ROM from the Disk
Controller, due the CTS* signal being used by both devices for ROM
selection.  Since the CoCoNet EPROM is a modified version of Disk
Basic, you don't need the controller's ROM.

One item of concern may be the amount of power needed by both the FDC
and the bluetooth pak being drawn from the CoCo.

Darren


From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Sun Feb 15 12:05:19 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:05:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo FUSE for Linux ressurrected!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151037010.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <1987555632.1027421234717519532.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>


GREAT work Steve!!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Hirsch" <snhirsch at gmail.com>
To: "Color Computer Mailing List" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:41:26 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Coco] CoCo FUSE for Linux ressurrected!

All,

I was bored yesterday and spent some time debugging the cocofuse driver in 
toolshed.  The fixes were quite simple and Boisy indicates he'll be 
checking the updates into SourceForge's CVS archive shortly.

It builds and works on both 32 and 64 bit Linux platforms.

For those unfamiliar with FUSE, it stands for Filesystem in USEr space. 
After loading a kernel module that's now standard in all Linux 
distributions I'm aware of, you can use 'cocofuse' to mount a CoCo 
diskette image (*.dsk file) and have it appear as part of the filesystem.

I've only tried it with OS-9 images, since I don't really do much of 
anything with DECB.  YMMV.

Steve


-- 

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From n6il at ocs.net  Sun Feb 15 12:30:29 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:30:29 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
Message-ID: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>

Robert and everyone else:

Thank you very much for your help getting os9gen to work.  I wanted to  
let you know that it worked and I have been trying to create working  
3.2.8 and 3.2.6 boot disks all weekend.

There are many potential issues.

It looks like both of my source 3.2.8 disks created from the  
distribution images have bad sectors or hard-to-read sectors.  Some of  
the 3.2.8 boot disks that I create with the term_vdg driver have the  
issues I mentioned previously, that it gets i2xoC then hangs.  When I  
try to use the 80 col term I get a Nitros9 boot message then the  
system hangs.  Unfortunately I don't have a desktop PC with a floppy  
drive in it currently so I can't write new images out to continue with  
this.

I have been using the silly default line editor.  I learned that  
without giving it additional memory, it doesn't read the entire  
standard.bl file into memory.  It doesn't truncate the file but it's  
still rather weird.  After figuring this out, giving the editor enough  
memory and building yet more disks the hangs mentioned above still  
happen.  This doesn't appear to be the problem.

I made a boot disk using 3.2.6 and added the sc6551.dr and  
t2_sc6551.dr modules to it.  this booted up.  When I tried something  
like echo hi >/t2 the system hangs.  Not sure what's going on.  Any  
specific rs323 handshaking issues I need to be aware of?  I even tried  
booting the standard unmodified disk and manually loading the driver  
and descriptor with the same result.  This might  be due to some  
additional problems:

I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.  My  
RS323 pack no longer has its black plastic case.  I don't think this  
in itself is a problem but it's been unprotected for many years (some  
kid took it out of the box to look at it and lost the parts, hmm, I  
wonder who that is...)  I know that static discharge is less of an  
issue with mounted parts than it is with unmounted parts, but still...  
I have to wonder if there's any damage to this board...

I'm using an MPI that has not been modified for use with a coco3.  I  
need to order a new PAL and get this done.

Seems like I have more problems than good news to report.  I will go  
off and continue playing around to see what I can get to work.   It is  
also apparent that I need to get some additional hardware...

--Mikey


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 12:39:08 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:39:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo FUSE for Linux ressurrected!
In-Reply-To: <1987555632.1027421234717519532.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <1987555632.1027421234717519532.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151237070.11842@duo>

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Mark Marlette wrote:

>
> GREAT work Steve!!!!

Thanks!  Someone with a Mac and the necessary build tools should probably 
verify that it still works in that environment before declaring total 
victory.



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Hirsch" <snhirsch at gmail.com>
>
> I was bored yesterday and spent some time debugging the cocofuse driver in
> toolshed.  The fixes were quite simple and Boisy indicates he'll be
> checking the updates into SourceForge's CVS archive shortly.
>
> It builds and works on both 32 and 64 bit Linux platforms.
>
> For those unfamiliar with FUSE, it stands for Filesystem in USEr space.
> After loading a kernel module that's now standard in all Linux
> distributions I'm aware of, you can use 'cocofuse' to mount a CoCo
> diskette image (*.dsk file) and have it appear as part of the filesystem.
>
> I've only tried it with OS-9 images, since I don't really do much of
> anything with DECB.  YMMV.

-- 


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 12:56:32 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:56:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151239510.11842@duo>

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:

> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.

There's an obscure problem with interrupt handling that might be behind 
the hangs.  I have no personal experience with it, but it's written up in 
"Tandy's Little Wonder" (Farna Systems?).  IIRC, interrupts are not 
properly shared between the cartridge slot and the GIME with the end 
result being that SIO interrupts can be lost.  Again, just speculation 
that this is the issue!

> I'm using an MPI that has not been modified for use with a coco3.  I need to 
> order a new PAL and get this done.

If it's a small beige unit, you're looking at more than a PAL replacement. 
There's a gate that needs to be added in order to prevent address aliasing 
into a region that's owned by the GIME chip on the CoCo 3.

Not rocket science, but a good few hour's work.


-- 


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Feb 15 13:30:07 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:30:07 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
Message-ID: <200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 15 February 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>Robert and everyone else:
>
>Thank you very much for your help getting os9gen to work.  I wanted to
>let you know that it worked and I have been trying to create working
>3.2.8 and 3.2.6 boot disks all weekend.
>
>There are many potential issues.
>
>It looks like both of my source 3.2.8 disks created from the
>distribution images have bad sectors or hard-to-read sectors.  Some of
>the 3.2.8 boot disks that I create with the term_vdg driver have the
>issues I mentioned previously, that it gets i2xoC then hangs.  When I
>try to use the 80 col term I get a Nitros9 boot message then the
>system hangs.  Unfortunately I don't have a desktop PC with a floppy
>drive in it currently so I can't write new images out to continue with
>this.
>
>I have been using the silly default line editor.  I learned that
>without giving it additional memory, it doesn't read the entire
>standard.bl file into memory.  It doesn't truncate the file but it's
>still rather weird.  After figuring this out, giving the editor enough
>memory and building yet more disks the hangs mentioned above still
>happen.  This doesn't appear to be the problem.
>
>I made a boot disk using 3.2.6 and added the sc6551.dr and
>t2_sc6551.dr modules to it.  this booted up.  When I tried something
>like echo hi >/t2 the system hangs.  Not sure what's going on.  Any
>specific rs323 handshaking issues I need to be aware of?  I even tried
>booting the standard unmodified disk and manually loading the driver
>and descriptor with the same result.  This might  be due to some
>additional problems:
>
>I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.  My
>RS323 pack no longer has its black plastic case.  I don't think this
>in itself is a problem but it's been unprotected for many years (some
>kid took it out of the box to look at it and lost the parts, hmm, I
>wonder who that is...)  I know that static discharge is less of an
>issue with mounted parts than it is with unmounted parts, but still...
>I have to wonder if there's any damage to this board...
>
>I'm using an MPI that has not been modified for use with a coco3.  I
>need to order a new PAL and get this done.
>
>Seems like I have more problems than good news to report.  I will go
>off and continue playing around to see what I can get to work.   It is
>also apparent that I need to get some additional hardware...
>
>--Mikey

Mikey, are you perchance running Linux?  If so, you can put these 2 lines in 
the coco's startup file, and then run a minicom session in a linux shell if 
you have the correct rs232 cabling.  I am actually using a hunk of cat-5, 
wired up as '7 wire' here, with a db25 on the coco end and a db9 on the pc 
end, and about 25 feet long.  You will have to play with minicoms character 
translations using stty.  A query shows what I use here:

[root at coyote grub]# stty -F /dev/ttyS0 -a
speed 9600 baud; rows 0; columns 0; line = 0;
intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = <undef>; eol2 = <undef>; swtch = <undef>; start = ^Q; stop = 
^S; susp = ^Z;
rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0;
-parenb -parodd cs8 hupcl -cstopb cread clocal -crtscts
-ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon -ixoff -iuclc -ixany -imaxbel -iutf8
opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0 ff0
isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop -echoprt echoctl echoke

See man stty for how to arrive at a similar translation setup.

The startup file additions:
iniz /t2
shell i=/t2 &

I would think there might be a windows terminal proggy that would also work, 
but there isn't any windows here for me to test.

As my coco3 has a 1 GB drive and all the rz/sz goodies, I can then use that 
to move stuff from the network to the coco, including whole .dsk images that 
can then be put on a coco floppy with a "copy image.dsk /d0@", which if I 
didn't mess up the @ syntax (its been a while), should write that image to 
the disk just as if I had used linux's dd to do it.

--
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>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
A prohibitionist is the sort of man one wouldn't care to drink with
-- even if he drank.
		-- H.L. Mencken


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Sun Feb 15 13:33:37 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:33:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Archives
Message-ID: <008b01c98f9b$eb26ef30$c174cd90$@rr.com>

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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Feb 15 13:34:39 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:34:39 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151239510.11842@duo>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151239510.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.
>
>There's an obscure problem with interrupt handling that might be behind
>the hangs.  I have no personal experience with it, but it's written up in
>"Tandy's Little Wonder" (Farna Systems?).  IIRC, interrupts are not
>properly shared between the cartridge slot and the GIME with the end
>result being that SIO interrupts can be lost.  Again, just speculation
>that this is the issue!
>
There is about a 100/1 chance that is correct.  The fix is to remove three of 
the 4 pullup r's tied to each card socket pin 8, and then jumper all sockets 
pin 8's together.  This allows the IRQ to get through to the coco and be 
serviced regardless of where the slot switch is, or what slot was last 
selected by the software.

>> I'm using an MPI that has not been modified for use with a coco3.  I need
>> to order a new PAL and get this done.
>
>If it's a small beige unit, you're looking at more than a PAL replacement.
>There's a gate that needs to be added in order to prevent address aliasing
>into a region that's owned by the GIME chip on the CoCo 3.
>
>Not rocket science, but a good few hour's work.



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Jayne: "No offense, Doc, I think it's noble as a grape the way you 
look after River, but she ain't my sister, and she ain't your crew."
				--"Serenity"


From boisy at tee-boy.com  Sun Feb 15 13:40:30 2009
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:40:30 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <B781CC71-3557-4811-B6D2-46D7553429C7@tee-boy.com>

I think what Mikey may be seeing is an issue with the current sc6551  
driver related to the DCD signal.  If that signal is not asserted,  
then there is hanging when writing.  I am not an expert on the driver,  
but as I recall, if you tie the DCD signal to DTR (as DTR is sourced  
FROM the PC), then information will start flowing.

That said, the sc6551 driver could really use an adoptive parent at  
this point; someone to take it under their wings and really work to  
understand it (and fix lingering issues).


On Feb 15, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Sunday 15 February 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>> Robert and everyone else:
>>
>> Thank you very much for your help getting os9gen to work.  I wanted  
>> to
>> let you know that it worked and I have been trying to create working
>> 3.2.8 and 3.2.6 boot disks all weekend.
>>
>> There are many potential issues.
>>
>> It looks like both of my source 3.2.8 disks created from the
>> distribution images have bad sectors or hard-to-read sectors.  Some  
>> of
>> the 3.2.8 boot disks that I create with the term_vdg driver have the
>> issues I mentioned previously, that it gets i2xoC then hangs.  When I
>> try to use the 80 col term I get a Nitros9 boot message then the
>> system hangs.  Unfortunately I don't have a desktop PC with a floppy
>> drive in it currently so I can't write new images out to continue  
>> with
>> this.
>>
>> I have been using the silly default line editor.  I learned that
>> without giving it additional memory, it doesn't read the entire
>> standard.bl file into memory.  It doesn't truncate the file but it's
>> still rather weird.  After figuring this out, giving the editor  
>> enough
>> memory and building yet more disks the hangs mentioned above still
>> happen.  This doesn't appear to be the problem.
>>
>> I made a boot disk using 3.2.6 and added the sc6551.dr and
>> t2_sc6551.dr modules to it.  this booted up.  When I tried something
>> like echo hi >/t2 the system hangs.  Not sure what's going on.  Any
>> specific rs323 handshaking issues I need to be aware of?  I even  
>> tried
>> booting the standard unmodified disk and manually loading the driver
>> and descriptor with the same result.  This might  be due to some
>> additional problems:
>>
>> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.   
>> My
>> RS323 pack no longer has its black plastic case.  I don't think this
>> in itself is a problem but it's been unprotected for many years (some
>> kid took it out of the box to look at it and lost the parts, hmm, I
>> wonder who that is...)  I know that static discharge is less of an
>> issue with mounted parts than it is with unmounted parts, but  
>> still...
>> I have to wonder if there's any damage to this board...
>>
>> I'm using an MPI that has not been modified for use with a coco3.  I
>> need to order a new PAL and get this done.
>>
>> Seems like I have more problems than good news to report.  I will go
>> off and continue playing around to see what I can get to work.   It  
>> is
>> also apparent that I need to get some additional hardware...
>>
>> --Mikey
>
> Mikey, are you perchance running Linux?  If so, you can put these 2  
> lines in
> the coco's startup file, and then run a minicom session in a linux  
> shell if
> you have the correct rs232 cabling.  I am actually using a hunk of  
> cat-5,
> wired up as '7 wire' here, with a db25 on the coco end and a db9 on  
> the pc
> end, and about 25 feet long.  You will have to play with minicoms  
> character
> translations using stty.  A query shows what I use here:
>
> [root at coyote grub]# stty -F /dev/ttyS0 -a
> speed 9600 baud; rows 0; columns 0; line = 0;
> intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol =  
> <undef>; eol2 = <undef>; swtch = <undef>; start = ^Q; stop =
> ^S; susp = ^Z;
> rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0;
> -parenb -parodd cs8 hupcl -cstopb cread clocal -crtscts
> -ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl  
> ixon -ixoff -iuclc -ixany -imaxbel -iutf8
> opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0  
> bs0 vt0 ff0
> isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop - 
> echoprt echoctl echoke
>
> See man stty for how to arrive at a similar translation setup.
>
> The startup file additions:
> iniz /t2
> shell i=/t2 &
>
> I would think there might be a windows terminal proggy that would  
> also work,
> but there isn't any windows here for me to test.
>
> As my coco3 has a 1 GB drive and all the rz/sz goodies, I can then  
> use that
> to move stuff from the network to the coco, including whole .dsk  
> images that
> can then be put on a coco floppy with a "copy image.dsk /d0@", which  
> if I
> didn't mess up the @ syntax (its been a while), should write that  
> image to
> the disk just as if I had used linux's dd to do it.
>
> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers, Gene
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> A prohibitionist is the sort of man one wouldn't care to drink with
> -- even if he drank.
> 		-- H.L. Mencken
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

Regards,
Boisy G. Pitre
--
Tee-Boy
Mobile: 337.781.3570
Email: boisy at tee-boy.com
Web: http://www.tee-boy.com



From icemanind at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 15 05:04:24 2009
From: icemanind at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:04:24 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CoCo Key Press routine
Message-ID: <gn8pb8+q65o@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

Can someone tell me how to read a key from the keyboard on a Coco in 
6809 assembly language, without using ROM routines? I know I can call a 
routine at $ADFB and it will wait for a keypress. How can I do the same 
exact thing without calling a ROM routine? I know it has something to 
do with scanning the PIA input lines. Any help would be appreciated!





From jdaggett at gate.net  Sun Feb 15 13:59:10 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:59:10 -0500
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <49982F16.8070507@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <499357D8.5090403@aurigae.demon.co.uk>,
	<49936517.5010805@aurigae.demon.co.uk>,
	<49982F16.8070507@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49981FAE.19973.B2AC3@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 15 Feb 2009 at 15:04, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:

> Success !
> 
> I have now got RGB working, and it provides a much better picture, for
> the first time I can actually use NitroOS9 in 80 column mode and read
> the text !
> 
> My problem was that I was not feeding +5V to Pin 16 on the SCART
> connector, so the TV was interpreting my signals as Composite video,
> which is why it was way to bright. Ended up examining my BBC micro
> scart cable which I knew worked, and was a machine of a similar age.
> 
> Once I did this I could feed the signals direct from the CoCo to the
> TV and it produced a picture without problems, though a little bright,
> placing a set of 120R resistors inline with theRGB signals seems to
> have brought the brightness down, though it does seem a little more
> noisy, maybe due to impedence mis-match....analog electronics was
> never my strong point.
> 
> 
> One thing I did notice in ECB was that the CLS colours are slightly
> different :-
> 
> CLS	Composite/TV	RGB
> 0	Black		Black
> 1	Green		Green
> 2	Yellow		Blue
> 3	Blue		Orange
> 4	Red		Grey
> 5	White		White
> 6	Greenish	Yellow
> 7	Purple		Red
> 8	Pink		Light blue
> 9	Green/MS	Green/MS
> 
> Allowing for the fact that this is an NTSC CoCo3 on a PAL TV, though
> it is NTSC capable, and the fact that I'm slightly Red-Green
> colourblind, is this normal ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Phill.

This is because the GIME handles the data in the palette registers 
differently. When told palette CMP then the six bits are treated as two bits 
of intensity (bit 5 and bit 4) and four bits of phase (bit 3 downto bit0). 
Composite NTSC works off of intensity levels and pahse to reproduce color 
and to aligh color with the chromanance section of a TV set. 

RGB is three separate colors in which the 6 bits describes the 2 bit level of 
each three components of color. So then the three phosphers of the 
monitor have their own intensity levels. Therefore the combination of the  
varations of the levels will determine color. 

james




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Feb 15 14:13:18 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <B781CC71-3557-4811-B6D2-46D7553429C7@tee-boy.com>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<B781CC71-3557-4811-B6D2-46D7553429C7@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <200902151413.18214.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 15 February 2009, Boisy Pitre wrote:
>I think what Mikey may be seeing is an issue with the current sc6551
>driver related to the DCD signal.  If that signal is not asserted,
>then there is hanging when writing.  I am not an expert on the driver,
>but as I recall, if you tie the DCD signal to DTR (as DTR is sourced
>FROM the PC), then information will start flowing.
>
I may be doing that in my homemade cable, but I'd have to take it apart to 
check.  If I get a chance, I'll do that.  Unforch, the connectors were 
installed after I pulled the cat-5 cable through a hole in the floor, and of 
course I didn't keep notes. :(

>That said, the sc6551 driver could really use an adoptive parent at
>this point; someone to take it under their wings and really work to
>understand it (and fix lingering issues).

How close is it to the sacia.dr, or aciapak.dr?  I have issues with the xmode 
settings derived from a much older boot disk that don't do what they are 
supposed to do with sc6551.dr, and have been unable to find any real docs.

I rewrote the joystick.dr last year, and found I had to adjust the sc6551's 
init values, when I did, it worked.  But while the driver is working, its not 
yet putting the button events in the right place for multivue to use all 3 
buttons, so its only recognizing the left button.  Is there a better 
description of this 4 byte mouse packet someplace I haven't stumbled over 
yet?

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
bugs in the RAID


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 14:42:57 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:42:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151239510.11842@duo>
	<200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>>> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.
>>
>> There's an obscure problem with interrupt handling that might be behind
>> the hangs.  I have no personal experience with it, but it's written up in
>> "Tandy's Little Wonder" (Farna Systems?).  IIRC, interrupts are not
>> properly shared between the cartridge slot and the GIME with the end
>> result being that SIO interrupts can be lost.  Again, just speculation
>> that this is the issue!
>>
> There is about a 100/1 chance that is correct.  The fix is to remove three of
> the 4 pullup r's tied to each card socket pin 8, and then jumper all sockets
> pin 8's together.  This allows the IRQ to get through to the coco and be
> serviced regardless of where the slot switch is, or what slot was last
> selected by the software.

Gene,

I don't think he's using an MPI.  The problem I'm referring to is internal 
to the computer and has to do with how the cart interrupt is routed to the 
CPU.


-- 


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 15:04:16 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:04:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151239510.11842@duo>
	<200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151503210.11842@duo>

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>>>> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.
>>> 
>>> There's an obscure problem with interrupt handling that might be behind
>>> the hangs.  I have no personal experience with it, but it's written up in
>>> "Tandy's Little Wonder" (Farna Systems?).  IIRC, interrupts are not
>>> properly shared between the cartridge slot and the GIME with the end
>>> result being that SIO interrupts can be lost.  Again, just speculation
>>> that this is the issue!
>>> 
>> There is about a 100/1 chance that is correct.  The fix is to remove three 
>> of
>> the 4 pullup r's tied to each card socket pin 8, and then jumper all 
>> sockets
>> pin 8's together.  This allows the IRQ to get through to the coco and be
>> serviced regardless of where the slot switch is, or what slot was last
>> selected by the software.
>
> Gene,
>
> I don't think he's using an MPI.  The problem I'm referring to is internal to 
> the computer and has to do with how the cart interrupt is routed to the CPU.

<groan>..  Sorry, getting the threads mixed up.  Mike _is_ apparantly 
using an MPI, but one without the logic update for the CoCo 3 (according 
to an earlier post).

Steve


-- 


From n6il at ocs.net  Sun Feb 15 15:08:24 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:08:24 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151239510.11842@duo>
	<200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <D9250822-0A68-4CC8-AA2F-BD907E4CA93F@ocs.net>


On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>>>> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.
>>>
>>> There's an obscure problem with interrupt handling that might be  
>>> behind
>>> the hangs.  I have no personal experience with it, but it's  
>>> written up in
>>> "Tandy's Little Wonder" (Farna Systems?).  IIRC, interrupts are not
>>> properly shared between the cartridge slot and the GIME with the end
>>> result being that SIO interrupts can be lost.  Again, just  
>>> speculation
>>> that this is the issue!
>>>
>> There is about a 100/1 chance that is correct.  The fix is to  
>> remove three of
>> the 4 pullup r's tied to each card socket pin 8, and then jumper  
>> all sockets
>> pin 8's together.  This allows the IRQ to get through to the coco  
>> and be
>> serviced regardless of where the slot switch is, or what slot was  
>> last
>> selected by the software.
>
> Gene,
>
> I don't think he's using an MPI.  The problem I'm referring to is  
> internal to the computer and has to do with how the cart interrupt  
> is routed to the CPU.

Gene and Steven -

Can you cite some more exact references to articles on these mods,  
like to files on maltedmedia or rainbow issues etc.?  I am using a MPI  
btw... Otherwise I couldn't have the  FDD and serial ports connected  
at the same time.  I'll also do some searching in GMANE to see if this  
has been discussed before (I'm certain it has been, both topics seem  
familiar)

Thanks,
--Mikey


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 15:25:16 2009
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:25:16 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <D9250822-0A68-4CC8-AA2F-BD907E4CA93F@ocs.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151239510.11842@duo>
	<200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
	<D9250822-0A68-4CC8-AA2F-BD907E4CA93F@ocs.net>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0902151225g12cf41d4w41f1ab3155189101@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/15/09, Michael Furman wrote:
> Can you cite some more exact references to articles on these mods,
> like to files on maltedmedia or rainbow issues etc.?  I am using a MPI
> btw... Otherwise I couldn't have the  FDD and serial ports connected
> at the same time.  I'll also do some searching in GMANE to see if this
> has been discussed before (I'm certain it has been, both topics seem
> familiar)
>
> Thanks,
> --Mikey


--

Take a look at page 72 of "Tandy's Little Wonder":

<ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/Farna/Tandy's%20Little%20Wonder/Cocobook-TLW2.pdf>

Darren


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 15:40:58 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:40:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <D9250822-0A68-4CC8-AA2F-BD907E4CA93F@ocs.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151239510.11842@duo>
	<200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
	<D9250822-0A68-4CC8-AA2F-BD907E4CA93F@ocs.net>
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:

> Can you cite some more exact references to articles on these mods, like to 
> files on maltedmedia or rainbow issues etc.?  I am using a MPI btw... 
> Otherwise I couldn't have the  FDD and serial ports connected at the same 
> time.  I'll also do some searching in GMANE to see if this has been discussed 
> before (I'm certain it has been, both topics seem familiar)

Look for the Tandy's Little Wonder on maltedmedia.  The file I have is:

Cocobook-TLW2.pdf

I may have renamed that from the original, though...  The section on 
hardware gives a good, if rambling, overview of the various issues.  The 
strapping of interrupts in the MPI that Gene mentions is in there along 
with a discussion of an internal mod to avoid lost cart interrupts.

Steve


-- 


From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb 15 15:42:11 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:42:11 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
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	<98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
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At 08:12 AM 2/15/2009, you wrote:
>For myself, I would need to use a Y-cable for a FDC (26-3029) with
>your Bluetooth version of the pak to allow use of real floppy drive.
>Since I don't have an MPI or equivalent.
>
>Hasn't the patent expired on the MPI design so someone can replicate
>that thing and put it into production again?
>
>Regards,
>Ryan Pritchard


The paks would conflict since they both have DOS ROMs in 
them.  Hopefully your controller ROM is socketed to make it 
easier.  If you remove my EPROM you'll knock the pak down to hardware 
only and miss all the cool bells and whistles.

As for an MPI, if you'll notice all my efforts are aimed at 
preserving the CoCo unit itself.  It's always been harder to find 
CoCo add-ons than it is to find a bare CoCo.  If you could take a 
bare CoCo and the simplest form of hardware needed (except for a PC) 
to make the CoCo think it's using real floppy drives, ROM Paks, 
printers, etc. I'd say that is the best idea yet to help keep the 
CoCo in use by the most people.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sun Feb 15 15:43:39 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:43:39 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow october 1991 uploaded
Message-ID: <gn9upr+esnu@eGroups.com>

its finished and available at excalibur1 now



From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb 15 15:59:15 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:59:15 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151035320.11842@duo>
References: <1294717085.918631234641054277.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1224024532.919871234641483345.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>
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	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902150918370.11842@duo>
	<6.2.5.6.2.20090215085648.02aaee78@cloud9tech.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151035320.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <20090215210021.6035920A14@qs281.pair.com>

At 09:37 AM 2/15/2009, you wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Mark Marlette wrote:
>
>>
>>Even so, if one knows the CoCo/MPI well enough, you just make your own. :)
>>
>>GAL16V8, can't stick a whole lot of smarts in those chips.
>
>I was just being pedantic :-).
>
>As a practical matter, there's no shortage of these things out 
>there. The last two I picked up were $35 (eBay) and cost-of-shipping 
>respectively.
>
>Steve



You're assuming that there aren't many CoCo users vs. available 
MPIs.  There's many more CoCo owners.  I can definately confirm by 
looking at my customer list over the past 8 years that there's way 
more CoCo users out there most tend to think, from all over the 
world, who are rediscovering the CoCo through the web.  Some don't 
even have to go so far as the attic or storage building to drag out 
the boxes of Mint condition stuff they packed away 4 or 5 months 
after Xmas back in the 80's.  But there's also a lot out there that 
are very active yet do not choose to mess with a mailing list.

So, yes, the MPI is a hard-to-get item.  Watch the bids pile up at 
the last 5 minutes of an MPI listing.  At the end, one guy is 
laughing his butt off while the other 10 or 20 are not.  :)


-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From n6il at ocs.net  Sun Feb 15 16:04:03 2009
From: n6il at ocs.net (Michael Furman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:04:03 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <B781CC71-3557-4811-B6D2-46D7553429C7@tee-boy.com>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<B781CC71-3557-4811-B6D2-46D7553429C7@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <9CBEDFCC-0196-47A0-B3B0-11560A2EA8FA@ocs.net>


On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Boisy Pitre wrote:

> I think what Mikey may be seeing is an issue with the current sc6551  
> driver related to the DCD signal.  If that signal is not asserted,  
> then there is hanging when writing.  I am not an expert on the  
> driver, but as I recall, if you tie the DCD signal to DTR (as DTR is  
> sourced FROM the PC), then information will start flowing.
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> The startup file additions:
>> iniz /t2
>> shell i=/t2 &
>

Took me 30 minutes to find my RS-232 breakout box.  I've tied DTR(20)  
on the PC end to DCD(8) on the CoCo end, crossed RXD and TXD and now / 
t2 has come alive, I now have a shell accessible from Minicom running  
on on my Mac. Thanks Boisy and Gene.

I think it's been at least 15 years since I have done any serious work  
with RS-232...  I almost always had a terminal hooked to the bit- 
banger port on my 64k Coco1 when I ran Os9L1 on it.  it's starting to  
come back to me!

>
> That said, the sc6551 driver could really use an adoptive parent at  
> this point; someone to take it under their wings and really work to  
> understand it (and fix lingering issues).

Looks like the driver has a good amount of comments.  On first glance  
it looks like the Write function is supposed to check DCD and report  
an error if it's not active. I don't see where the DCD/DSR flags that  
it checks get updated anywhere... I need to print this sucker out and  
study it more closely.


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Sun Feb 15 16:09:37 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:09:37 -0700
Subject: [Coco] RGB video on CoCo3
In-Reply-To: <49981FAE.19973.B2AC3@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <49982F16.8070507@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
	<49981FAE.19973.B2AC3@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <20090215210937.GB18097@virgo.sdc.org>

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 01:59:10PM -0500, jdaggett at gate.net wrote:

> This is because the GIME handles the data in the palette registers 
> differently. 

And the ECB commands CMP and RGB control this.  CMP sets the palette
for composite and RGB sets up the palette for RGB.

Under OS-9 and NitrOS9, "montype c" and "montype r" do the same thing.

...or use control from Multivue, setype from CoCo Artist....

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From goosey at virgo.sdc.org  Sun Feb 15 16:15:52 2009
From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:15:52 -0700
Subject: [Coco] ooops! :-(
Message-ID: <20090215211552.GA21621@virgo.sdc.org>

oops, I didn't mean to do that....

Sorry, my bad
Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard


From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb 15 16:12:01 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:12:01 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0902150842l79ba8db2s3869c9eb87f8b47f@mail.gmail.com
 >
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	<1b52e6c80902141256l28a5f3e8xed51575a4b8becea@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090214222758.A7B1620A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<98C4EDD8-5423-4187-A6D3-6225F80B1A3A@pritchard.ca>
	<5d802cd0902150842l79ba8db2s3869c9eb87f8b47f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090215211250.EC80720A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 10:42 AM 2/15/2009, you wrote:
>On 2/15/09, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> > For myself, I would need to use a Y-cable for a FDC (26-3029) with
> > your Bluetooth version of the pak to allow use of real floppy drive.
> > Since I don't have an MPI or equivalent.
> >
> > Hasn't the patent expired on the MPI design so someone can replicate
> > that thing and put it into production again?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ryan Pritchard
>
>---
>
>A Y-cable will likely work if you remove the ROM from the Disk
>Controller, due the CTS* signal being used by both devices for ROM
>selection.  Since the CoCoNet EPROM is a modified version of Disk
>Basic, you don't need the controller's ROM.
>
>One item of concern may be the amount of power needed by both the FDC
>and the bluetooth pak being drawn from the CoCo.
>
>Darren

I used to have some pretty heavy stuff running off of a Tri-cable 
that I built myself.  By the way, that's what we used to call a "poor 
man's Multi-Pak Interface".  With the Y cable I'd just try out a 
Speech/Sound Pak or some other heavy large cartridge having a good 
number of chips in it before assuming anything.

If he has a Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak with the ROM disabled, he should 
try that as well.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 17:01:55 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:01:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <9CBEDFCC-0196-47A0-B3B0-11560A2EA8FA@ocs.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<B781CC71-3557-4811-B6D2-46D7553429C7@tee-boy.com>
	<9CBEDFCC-0196-47A0-B3B0-11560A2EA8FA@ocs.net>
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:

>> That said, the sc6551 driver could really use an adoptive parent at this 
>> point; someone to take it under their wings and really work to understand 
>> it (and fix lingering issues).
>
> Looks like the driver has a good amount of comments.  On first glance it 
> looks like the Write function is supposed to check DCD and report an error if 
> it's not active. I don't see where the DCD/DSR flags that it checks get 
> updated anywhere... I need to print this sucker out and study it more 
> closely.

Most Apple 2 serial adapters used the 6551 chip and ISTR it has some 
notorious quirks.  Disclaimer: It's been about 20 years since I've had my 
feet in those bits, so the recollectors may be rusty.

Steve


-- 


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Feb 15 17:06:16 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:06:16 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <200902151706.16250.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>>>> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.
>>>
>>> There's an obscure problem with interrupt handling that might be behind
>>> the hangs.  I have no personal experience with it, but it's written up in
>>> "Tandy's Little Wonder" (Farna Systems?).  IIRC, interrupts are not
>>> properly shared between the cartridge slot and the GIME with the end
>>> result being that SIO interrupts can be lost.  Again, just speculation
>>> that this is the issue!
>>
>> There is about a 100/1 chance that is correct.  The fix is to remove three
>> of the 4 pullup r's tied to each card socket pin 8, and then jumper all
>> sockets pin 8's together.  This allows the IRQ to get through to the coco
>> and be serviced regardless of where the slot switch is, or what slot was
>> last selected by the software.
>
>Gene,
>
>I don't think he's using an MPI.  The problem I'm referring to is internal
>to the computer and has to do with how the cart interrupt is routed to the
>CPU.

That part isn't something I've checked as I've had an mpi since forever.  With 
my fix the mpi's internal slot selection can be set to any slot, and 
something like the incoming character buffer is full, which becomes the /IRQ, 
does get through to the cpu regardless of the present state of the slot 
selector, which responds by invoking an IRQ scan to find the source and then 
service it.  Each registered IRQ routine also sets the slot the device is in, 
and the slot selector is then switched to each of the possible sources it 
knows about before reading the chip register to see if this chip is the 
source of the /IRQ.  If it is as indicated by the flag, then that drivers IRQ 
routine is invoked to service the chips request.

This generally, for the rs232 pack, takes about 15 microseconds unless the 
system is reading or writing to non-volatile storage.  If it occurs during 
that operation, the response time stretches out to about 150 microseconds 
because the disk has priority.  But at 9600 baud, I haven't ever lost a 
character because of that.  Those timings were obtained using a disto no-halt 
controller and could be much worse without the no-halt.

Besides that, I don't believe /CART is the same as an /IRQ, which is what my 
method fixes.  Somebody correct me on this if I'm wrong, please.

In either event, if the service routine is unknown to the cpu, then I believe 
either a FIRQ or an IRQ will lock the cpu up in the scan cuz it never finds 
the interrupt to exit the scan.  Registering that interrupt service routine 
IS (or should be) part of the individual drivers init routine at boot time.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
You will always find something in the last place you look.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Feb 15 17:07:00 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:07:00 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151503210.11842@duo>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151503210.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <200902151707.00153.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>>>>> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.
>>>>
>>>> There's an obscure problem with interrupt handling that might be behind
>>>> the hangs.  I have no personal experience with it, but it's written up
>>>> in "Tandy's Little Wonder" (Farna Systems?).  IIRC, interrupts are not
>>>> properly shared between the cartridge slot and the GIME with the end
>>>> result being that SIO interrupts can be lost.  Again, just speculation
>>>> that this is the issue!
>>>
>>> There is about a 100/1 chance that is correct.  The fix is to remove
>>> three of
>>> the 4 pullup r's tied to each card socket pin 8, and then jumper all
>>> sockets
>>> pin 8's together.  This allows the IRQ to get through to the coco and be
>>> serviced regardless of where the slot switch is, or what slot was last
>>> selected by the software.
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>> I don't think he's using an MPI.  The problem I'm referring to is internal
>> to the computer and has to do with how the cart interrupt is routed to the
>> CPU.
>
><groan>..  Sorry, getting the threads mixed up.  Mike _is_ apparantly
>using an MPI, but one without the logic update for the CoCo 3 (according
>to an earlier post).
>
>Steve

And that will bite.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
To see a need and wait to be asked, is to already refuse.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Feb 15 17:13:21 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <D9250822-0A68-4CC8-AA2F-BD907E4CA93F@ocs.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
	<D9250822-0A68-4CC8-AA2F-BD907E4CA93F@ocs.net>
Message-ID: <200902151713.21384.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 15 February 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Sunday 15 February 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Michael Furman wrote:
>>>>> I tried using the rs232 pak ROM and it seems to hang occasionally.
>>>>
>>>> There's an obscure problem with interrupt handling that might be
>>>> behind
>>>> the hangs.  I have no personal experience with it, but it's
>>>> written up in
>>>> "Tandy's Little Wonder" (Farna Systems?).  IIRC, interrupts are not
>>>> properly shared between the cartridge slot and the GIME with the end
>>>> result being that SIO interrupts can be lost.  Again, just
>>>> speculation
>>>> that this is the issue!
>>>
>>> There is about a 100/1 chance that is correct.  The fix is to
>>> remove three of
>>> the 4 pullup r's tied to each card socket pin 8, and then jumper
>>> all sockets
>>> pin 8's together.  This allows the IRQ to get through to the coco
>>> and be
>>> serviced regardless of where the slot switch is, or what slot was
>>> last
>>> selected by the software.
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>> I don't think he's using an MPI.  The problem I'm referring to is
>> internal to the computer and has to do with how the cart interrupt
>> is routed to the CPU.
>
>Gene and Steven -
>
>Can you cite some more exact references to articles on these mods,
>like to files on maltedmedia or rainbow issues etc.?  I am using a MPI
>btw... Otherwise I couldn't have the  FDD and serial ports connected
>at the same time.  I'll also do some searching in GMANE to see if this
>has been discussed before (I'm certain it has been, both topics seem
>familiar)
>
I have probably given much more explicit instructions at some point in the 
past that s/b in the list archives.

There are in fact at least half a dozen variations of this, some of which are 
even on rtsi, but IMO they do not address the real problem in a no wires into 
the coco required manner.  The real problem is that Tandy, in their infinite 
wisdom, thought the mpi was gonna be full of auto starting game packs.  
Around my place, that might have happened once in 20 some years, and I have a 
grocery sack full of games.  I even put a list up here to see if anybody 
wanted any of them 2 or 3 years ago, but there were no nibbles.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
To see a need and wait to be asked, is to already refuse.


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 17:22:09 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:22:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <200902151706.16250.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<200902151334.39687.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151442110.11842@duo>
	<200902151706.16250.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902151719360.11842@duo>

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Besides that, I don't believe /CART is the same as an /IRQ, which is what my
> method fixes.  Somebody correct me on this if I'm wrong, please.

The bus pinout shows NMI* and CART*.  Since there's mention of CART* 
leading to an input of the ACIA chip, I think that is where comm port 
interrupts wind up.



-- 


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Feb 15 17:24:32 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:24:32 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Update: os9gen on 128k coco3, rs323 pack
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0902151225g12cf41d4w41f1ab3155189101@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<D9250822-0A68-4CC8-AA2F-BD907E4CA93F@ocs.net>
	<5d802cd0902151225g12cf41d4w41f1ab3155189101@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902151724.32257.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 15 February 2009, Darren A wrote:
>On 2/15/09, Michael Furman wrote:
>> Can you cite some more exact references to articles on these mods,
>> like to files on maltedmedia or rainbow issues etc.?  I am using a MPI
>> btw... Otherwise I couldn't have the  FDD and serial ports connected
>> at the same time.  I'll also do some searching in GMANE to see if this
>> has been discussed before (I'm certain it has been, both topics seem
>> familiar)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Mikey
>
>--
>
>Take a look at page 72 of "Tandy's Little Wonder":
>
><ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/Farna/Tandy's%20Little%20Wonder/Cocobook-TLW2.pd
>f>
>
>Darren

This I don't believe needs to be done in modern nitros9, there was a gime 
setup problem in the clock that was fixed with the ed9 versions of the clock 
module.  This fix is in nitros9 AFAIK.  I don't recall ever having done it to 
any of the coco's I have. 

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Nice guys get sick.


From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 18:04:07 2009
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:04:07 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow uploads
In-Reply-To: <4D08F9195C014BA6BE4A2E3C06188555@speedy>
References: <007801c98f72$42ab8330$c8028990$@rr.com>
	<4D08F9195C014BA6BE4A2E3C06188555@speedy>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV3DBD0FD373EEB3E651F7CC8B60@phx.gbl>

There sure have been a lot of uploads to the excalibur1 FTP as of late and I
have been too busy to get to them.  I hope there are no duplicated files as
I will have to weed those out.
I'm going on the FTP now to start again relocating some of these files to
the main site at http://excalibur1.net/coco

Please!!  If you are looking on the FTP (ftp.excalibur1.net) and cannot find
the files you are looking for, go check the main site to see if they have
been moved as this is most likely the case.
- Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:47 AM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow uploads

It was posted on the RainbowArchive list.
I guess nobody is paying much attention to what is echoed where.
Here is the excaliber link and the RainbowArchive group link.

Bruce W.

============================================


From: "Chad" <chadbh at excalibur1.net>
To: <RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: [RainbowArchive] Re: coco-link magazines 1993, 1994, 1995 uploaded


> Thanks, I will re-locate the files to the main site at
> http://excalibur1.net/coco asap.
> - Chad
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill"

> I'm sure some of you are getting tired of my repeated asking where the
> Rainbow uploads are available for viewing or for download, but after two
> other previous messages, I'm beginning to believe that no-one wants to 
> share
> that information.
>
> All you gotta do is tell me it's none of my business, and I'll quit 
> asking.
>
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From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 18:10:49 2009
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:10:49 -0600
Subject: [Coco] excalibur1 FTP -- excalibur1.net/coco
In-Reply-To: <4D08F9195C014BA6BE4A2E3C06188555@speedy>
References: <007801c98f72$42ab8330$c8028990$@rr.com>
	<4D08F9195C014BA6BE4A2E3C06188555@speedy>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV226C1BD333513CD9B476CBC8B60@phx.gbl>

I'm looking at a file that was uploaded for "22 Nice", apparently a CP/M
emulator for PC's...
Is this at all CoCo related?

- Chad



From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 15 18:13:54 2009
From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:13:54 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow march 1991
Message-ID: <gna7ji+liin@eGroups.com>

there appears to be a problem with the march 91 issue



From twixt at cstone.net  Sun Feb 15 18:10:23 2009
From: twixt at cstone.net (David Bush)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:10:23 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator
In-Reply-To: <gn9upr+esnu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gna7cv+mrpo@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" <stinger30au at ...>
wrote:
>
> its finished and available at excalibur1 now
>

I very much appreciate the uploads!

There were a couple of articles Tony di Stefano wrote in consecutive
issues of Rainbow about an EPROM emulator. Does anyone know which
issues those were? (I hope I got his name right.)

Heh, maybe Mr. Marlette would like to take this on as another project.
There would be less of a market for it, and the "VROM" advertised in
his upcoming Super Board would obviate the need for burning any
EPROMs, at least for the CoCo itself, but it could make the CoCo a
useful development tool for creating firmware for whatever purpose.
Design your own cash register or disc brake controller, that sort of
thing. Of course, if someone were able to design and build such a
device, then they wouldn't need Mr. Marlette's help to build the
emulator, if they had di Stefano's schematics. Anyway, EPROMs would
still be handy for other CoCo hardware, such as di Stefano's "4 in 1"
expansion for his drive controller for example.

BTW is there an EPROM burner for the CoCo which actually works, i.e.
doesn't run on batteries?

Thanks again.



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sun Feb 15 18:30:39 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CoCo Key Press routine
In-Reply-To: <gn8pb8+q65o@eGroups.com>
References: <gn8pb8+q65o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4998A59F.40002@worldnet.att.net>

Alan wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Can someone tell me how to read a key from the keyboard on a Coco in 
> 6809 assembly language, without using ROM routines? I know I can call a 
> routine at $ADFB and it will wait for a keypress. How can I do the same 
> exact thing without calling a ROM routine? I know it has something to 
> do with scanning the PIA input lines. Any help would be appreciated!
> 

You want to study page 40 in the Coco3 service manual, which shows the 
keyboard matrix. The value in $FF02 represent the columns and the value 
in $FF00 represents the rows.
Studying the "Unravelled" code at $A1CB will give you an example of how 
the matrix is used to determine keys pressed.


From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 18:48:48 2009
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:48:48 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow march 1991
In-Reply-To: <gna7ji+liin@eGroups.com>
References: <gna7ji+liin@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV9279607273519563E5357C8B60@phx.gbl>

I see the same problem, I downloaded the March 1991 issue and only the first
3 pages (out of 84) are showing, all the rest are blank pages?

Would the up-loader please check on this.  I will delete this issue from the
excalibur1 FTP in a while.
- Chad

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From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of James Diffendaffer
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:14 PM
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow march 1991

there appears to be a problem with the march 91 issue


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From operator at coco3.com  Sun Feb 15 18:51:22 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:51:22 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Ultimaterm + Bluetooth pak
Message-ID: <20090215235212.053E020A13@qs281.pair.com>

Right now I'm proving the transparency and compatibility of my 
bluetooth pak using all existing software that I can find.

Just confirmed as expected, the CoCo 3 program Ultimaterm works.  I 
hate to keep saying this, but "it thinks it's a Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak".  :)

 From HyperTerminal I'm typing onto the CoCo's screen, and 
vice-versa.  Since each program support Xmodem/Ymodem protocols, 
that's one more way of transferring files if needed, although having 
to walk back and forth between the computers this way isn't fun.

Next up will be Twightlight Terminal from Sock Master, and all those 
famous comm programs we used to dial out with.

OS-9 and NitrOS-9 will be tested in the next few days or so.

-- 
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From mark at cloud9tech.com  Sun Feb 15 18:59:49 2009
From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:59:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator
In-Reply-To: <gna7cv+mrpo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2134417088.1095291234742389011.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

David,

Way to formal, Mark M. or Cloud-9 will do. :)

I believe his EPROM Emulator was in his book, Turn of a Screw or something like that.

Today an EPROM emulator or the use of an EPROM is so outdated, IMHO.

FLASH is where it is at. Who wants a to unplug the device from the CoCo, open the device, remove the EPROM, wait 10 minutes while the device erases, reprogram on a special piece of hardware, that hardly anybody has, unless they live hardware  :), then reinstall EPROM and then reinstall the device in the CoCo?

Whew....not me..At Cloud-9 we put the power into the hands of the user. We are done programming the FLASH before you even have the case opened with an EPROM based device.

The SuperIDE already has four ROM areas in it's internal FLASH memory. The boot ROM can be set via switches or software selected after you boot and want to process another ROM bank. The Flash Bank Selection Register(FBSR) is either preserved or clear when the CoCo RESET button is pressed. This a configuration option is on the board as is a jumper to select a CoCo1-2 or CoCo3 mode as all CoCo's IO were not created equal.

As far as a stand alone product.....I can't say..... ;)

Regards,

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bush" <twixt at cstone.net>
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:10:23 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator
--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com , "stinger30au" <stinger30au at ...> 
wrote: 
> 
> its finished and available at excalibur1 now 
> 

I very much appreciate the uploads! 

There were a couple of articles Tony di Stefano wrote in consecutive 
issues of Rainbow about an EPROM emulator. Does anyone know which 
issues those were? (I hope I got his name right.) 

Heh, maybe Mr. Marlette would like to take this on as another project. 
There would be less of a market for it, and the "VROM" advertised in 
his upcoming Super Board would obviate the need for burning any 
EPROMs, at least for the CoCo itself, but it could make the CoCo a 
useful development tool for creating firmware for whatever purpose. 
Design your own cash register or disc brake controller, that sort of 
thing. Of course, if someone were able to design and build such a 
device, then they wouldn't need Mr. Marlette's help to build the 
emulator, if they had di Stefano's schematics. Anyway, EPROMs would 
still be handy for other CoCo hardware, such as di Stefano's "4 in 1" 
expansion for his drive controller for example. 

BTW is there an EPROM burner for the CoCo which actually works, i.e. 
doesn't run on batteries? 

Thanks again. 





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From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Sun Feb 15 19:05:20 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:05:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator
In-Reply-To: <2134417088.1095291234742389011.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <1498461114.1096181234742720683.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

David,

Way to formal, Mark M. or Cloud-9 will do. :)

I believe his EPROM Emulator was in his book, Turn of a Screw or something like that.

Today an EPROM emulator or the use of an EPROM is so outdated, IMHO.

FLASH is where it is at. Who wants a to unplug the device from the CoCo, open the device, remove the EPROM, wait 10 minutes while the device erases, reprogram on a special piece of hardware, that hardly anybody has, unless they live hardware  :), then reinstall EPROM and then reinstall the device in the CoCo?

Whew....not me..At Cloud-9 we put the power into the hands of the user. We are done programming the FLASH before you even have the case opened with an EPROM based device.

The SuperIDE already has four ROM areas in it's internal FLASH memory. The boot ROM can be set via switches or software selected after you boot and want to process another ROM bank. The Flash Bank Selection Register(FBSR) is either preserved or clear when the CoCo RESET button is pressed. This a configuration option is on the board as is a jumper to select a CoCo1-2 or CoCo3 mode as all CoCo's IO were not created equal.

As far as a stand alone product.....I can't say..... ;)

Regards,

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bush" <twixt at cstone.net>
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:10:23 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator
--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com , "stinger30au" <stinger30au at ...> 
wrote: 
> 
> its finished and available at excalibur1 now 
> 

I very much appreciate the uploads! 

There were a couple of articles Tony di Stefano wrote in consecutive 
issues of Rainbow about an EPROM emulator. Does anyone know which 
issues those were? (I hope I got his name right.) 

Heh, maybe Mr. Marlette would like to take this on as another project. 
There would be less of a market for it, and the "VROM" advertised in 
his upcoming Super Board would obviate the need for burning any 
EPROMs, at least for the CoCo itself, but it could make the CoCo a 
useful development tool for creating firmware for whatever purpose. 
Design your own cash register or disc brake controller, that sort of 
thing. Of course, if someone were able to design and build such a 
device, then they wouldn't need Mr. Marlette's help to build the 
emulator, if they had di Stefano's schematics. Anyway, EPROMs would 
still be handy for other CoCo hardware, such as di Stefano's "4 in 1" 
expansion for his drive controller for example. 

BTW is there an EPROM burner for the CoCo which actually works, i.e. 
doesn't run on batteries? 

Thanks again. 


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From t.fadden at cox.net  Sun Feb 15 20:34:04 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:34:04 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Rainbow-1993-01 & 02
Message-ID: <4998C28C.90100@cox.net>

All,

Jan  and Feb 1993 is now up on excalibur, and maltedmedia.

Tim


From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 20:56:49 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:56:49 +0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator
In-Reply-To: <2134417088.1095291234742389011.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <2134417088.1095291234742389011.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <4998C7E1.50704@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Mark Marlette wrote:
> Today an EPROM emulator or the use of an EPROM is so outdated, IMHO.

Depends how permenent it's ment to be, if the code's not going to 
change, then IMHO an EPROM is ok, especially as I have a truck load of 
pulls from old hardware and the like :)

But agreed for development work Flash is the way to go.

> FLASH is where it is at. Who wants a to unplug the device from the
> CoCo, open the device, remove the EPROM, wait 10 minutes while the
> device erases, reprogram on a special piece of hardware, that hardly
> anybody has, unless they live hardware  :), then reinstall EPROM and
> then reinstall the device in the CoCo?
> 
> Whew....not me..At Cloud-9 we put the power into the hands of the
> user. We are done programming the FLASH before you even have the case
> opened with an EPROM based device.

Well, that depends where you do the development work, I tend to take the 
philosopy of Nitros, that you may as well use modern tools on a modern 
pc to develop the code, in which case you either have to upload/transfer 
to the CoCo and flash, or flash it somewhere else and plug it in :)

> The SuperIDE already has four ROM areas in it's internal FLASH
> memory. The boot ROM can be set via switches or software selected
> after you boot and want to process another ROM bank. The Flash Bank
> Selection Register(FBSR) is either preserved or clear when the CoCo
> RESET button is pressed. This a configuration option is on the board
> as is a jumper to select a CoCo1-2 or CoCo3 mode as all CoCo's IO
> were not created equal.

How do you solve the problem that a lot of the modern flash roms need to 
be flashed 64K at a time ? I guess this is doable on the CoCo3, but what 
about the CoCo/Dragon machines that are limited to 64K ? Not that I've 
ever attempted to actually write to flash other than with my USB 
programmer, I'm asuming that there is some timing constraint on the 
write, and that you couldn't buffer to a disk file first ?

Cheers.

Phill.



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"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Sun Feb 15 21:21:57 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:21:57 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CUPS and DSK files
Message-ID: <00ae01c98fdd$5815ae10$08410a30$@rr.com>

Having been away from the CoCo world for many years now, I am unable to
figure out what to do with DSK and CUPS files I find. They are supposed to
be disk images, I understand, but how do I restore them to disk or tape
(whichever is appropriate)?

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From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 15 21:38:06 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:38:06 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow august & september 1991
	uploading
In-Reply-To: <gn8ug2+67bn@eGroups.com>
References: <gn8ug2+67bn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4998D18E.8030802@sbcglobal.net>

stinger30au wrote:
> now uploading both to excalibur1
> both files are about 130 megabyte each
>
>
> will take about 1 hour 45 min per pdf
>
>   
Where is this excalibur1 at?
Brian

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From psycho at hughes.net  Sun Feb 15 19:29:14 2009
From: psycho at hughes.net (Kevin Zee)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:29:14 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] CoCo Key Press routine
In-Reply-To: <gn8pb8+q65o@eGroups.com>
References: <gn8pb8+q65o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4998B35A.6000803@hughes.net>

Take a peek in Color Basic Unravelled... You can check out the keyboard 
routine - it is at 0xA1C1...

Alan wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Can someone tell me how to read a key from the keyboard on a Coco in
> 6809 assembly language, without using ROM routines? I know I can call a
> routine at $ADFB and it will wait for a keypress. How can I do the same
> exact thing without calling a ROM routine? I know it has something to
> do with scanning the PIA input lines. Any help would be appreciated!
>
> 


From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 22:03:48 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:03:48 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow august & september
	1991	uploading
In-Reply-To: <4998D18E.8030802@sbcglobal.net>
References: <gn8ug2+67bn@eGroups.com> <4998D18E.8030802@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4998D794.6090304@gmail.com>

http://excalibur1.net/coco/

Alan Jones

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Brian Goers wrote:
> stinger30au wrote:
>> now uploading both to excalibur1
>> both files are about 130 megabyte each
>>
>>
>> will take about 1 hour 45 min per pdf
>>
>>   
> Where is this excalibur1 at?
> Brian
>


From mmarlette at frontiernet.net  Sun Feb 15 22:12:25 2009
From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:12:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator
In-Reply-To: <26458800.1132041234753891173.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <1515423567.1132171234753945748.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Phill,

As pulls work for you and probably for others. I can't base my designs on what I have laying around as surplus. I have lots of EPROMs to but once you have everything developed and working there is no looking back. They are CHEAP as well, depending, some are cheaper than EPROMs.

As far as  the writes go, Boisy streams from a disk.

Regards,

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phill Harvey-Smith" <afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:56:49 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator

Mark Marlette wrote:
> Today an EPROM emulator or the use of an EPROM is so outdated, IMHO.

Depends how permenent it's ment to be, if the code's not going to 
change, then IMHO an EPROM is ok, especially as I have a truck load of 
pulls from old hardware and the like :)

But agreed for development work Flash is the way to go.

> FLASH is where it is at. Who wants a to unplug the device from the
> CoCo, open the device, remove the EPROM, wait 10 minutes while the
> device erases, reprogram on a special piece of hardware, that hardly
> anybody has, unless they live hardware  :), then reinstall EPROM and
> then reinstall the device in the CoCo?
> 
> Whew....not me..At Cloud-9 we put the power into the hands of the
> user. We are done programming the FLASH before you even have the case
> opened with an EPROM based device.

Well, that depends where you do the development work, I tend to take the 
philosopy of Nitros, that you may as well use modern tools on a modern 
pc to develop the code, in which case you either have to upload/transfer 
to the CoCo and flash, or flash it somewhere else and plug it in :)

> The SuperIDE already has four ROM areas in it's internal FLASH
> memory. The boot ROM can be set via switches or software selected
> after you boot and want to process another ROM bank. The Flash Bank
> Selection Register(FBSR) is either preserved or clear when the CoCo
> RESET button is pressed. This a configuration option is on the board
> as is a jumper to select a CoCo1-2 or CoCo3 mode as all CoCo's IO
> were not created equal.

How do you solve the problem that a lot of the modern flash roms need to 
be flashed 64K at a time ? I guess this is doable on the CoCo3, but what 
about the CoCo/Dragon machines that are limited to 64K ? Not that I've 
ever attempted to actually write to flash other than with my USB 
programmer, I'm asuming that there is some timing constraint on the 
write, and that you couldn't buffer to a disk file first ?

Cheers.

Phill.



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From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Mon Feb 16 02:43:01 2009
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:43:01 +0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Rainbow articles: EPROM emulator
In-Reply-To: <1515423567.1132171234753945748.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <1515423567.1132171234753945748.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <49991905.5020704@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Mark Marlette wrote:
> Phill,
> 
> As pulls work for you and probably for others. I can't base my
> designs on what I have laying around as surplus. 

Yeah I can see that, as you are selling a commercial product, makes 
sense to use new and modern, components.

>                                                    I have lots of
> EPROMs to but once you have everything developed and working there is
> no looking back. They are CHEAP as well, depending, some are cheaper
> than EPROMs.

Indeed, I have to admit that a lot of the designs I have done in the 
last couple of years have had flash in mind, though as the pinouts are 
pretty similar it's trivial to allow for both.

> As far as  the writes go, Boisy streams from a disk.

Ahh, write timing can't be as critical as I thought, will have to 
investigate that at some point, might be usefull for the CoCo/Dragon 
multi-cart and for a similar non CoCo related project.

Cheers.

Phill.




From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 03:23:29 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:23:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow march 1991
In-Reply-To: <COL0-DAV9279607273519563E5357C8B60@phx.gbl>
References: <gna7ji+liin@eGroups.com>
	<COL0-DAV9279607273519563E5357C8B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c9900f$d9868230$8c938690$@rr.com>

I downloaded the March 1991 Rainbow pdf with CuteFTP (direct download) and I
have a perfect pdf file.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chad H
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:49 PM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow march 1991
> 
> I see the same problem, I downloaded the March 1991 issue and only the
> first
> 3 pages (out of 84) are showing, all the rest are blank pages?
> 
> Would the up-loader please check on this.  I will delete this issue
> from the
> excalibur1 FTP in a while.
> - Chad
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of James Diffendaffer
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:14 PM
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow march 1991
> 
> there appears to be a problem with the march 91 issue
> 
> 
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From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Mon Feb 16 05:11:10 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:11:10 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow november 1991 uploading
Message-ID: <gnbe3u+qd5d@eGroups.com>

will be finsihed in about 1 hour

this morning i reuploaded march 1991

i found there was a file size mismatch with the file on my pc and the
file at excalibur1

all fixxed now 

im currently scanning december 1991 rainbow

i then have janurary and feburary 1992 at my finger tips to be scanned

after these two are scanned i will be rescanning may,june,july 1991
rainbows and reuploading to excalibur1

the reason being is that i reckon i have not got scanning in colour to
pdf down to a fine art and looking at those issues compared to what i
can produce now, they look like garbage

so, keep your eyes peeled for the rescans

i will also rename the files to rainbow.july.1991.rescan as to avoid
confusion

after those are done i will be taking a trip down memeory lane and
scan the missing 1984 rainbows as i have the full set of those too

enjoy



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Mon Feb 16 06:05:59 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:05:59 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow december 1991 finished
Message-ID: <gnbhan+col0@eGroups.com>

uploading now to excalibur1
file size is 99.168.997



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 06:09:36 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow november 1991 uploading
In-Reply-To: <gnbe3u+qd5d@eGroups.com>
References: <gnbe3u+qd5d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001501c99027$0e1ff730$2a5fe590$@rr.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of stinger30au
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:11 AM
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow november 1991 uploading
> 
> this morning i reuploaded march 1991

Also, the July 1983.rar and December 1983.rar files are bad. Give an error
when opened.



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 06:48:44 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:48:44 -0600
Subject: [Coco]  Cloud 9's "Flash Pak"
Message-ID: <002f01c9902c$862767e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

 I see on the Cloud9 website http://www.cloud9tech.com/ that Mark shows a 
"Flash Pak" in progress.

 Mark, is this a stand alone flash memory device?

 Tell us about it!

George 



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Mon Feb 16 07:14:03 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:14:03 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] janurary 1992 rainbow scanned
Message-ID: <gnblab+5c6p@eGroups.com>

it is qued up to upload as soon as december 1991 is finished

filesize for January is 97,414,953

will take just over an hour to upload



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 08:21:30 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:21:30 -0500
Subject: [Coco] archive error
Message-ID: <002201c99039$7b8d8e60$72a8ab20$@rr.com>

I downloaded the July 1983 archive and when I opened them, I got these
errors:

Rainbow July 1983.rar-Unexpected end of archive (The downloaded archive was
only 115Mb, instead of the 342 it said)

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From jcewy at swbell.net  Mon Feb 16 10:25:56 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:25:56 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CUPS and DSK files
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c98fdd$5815ae10$08410a30$@rr.com>
References: <00ae01c98fdd$5815ae10$08410a30$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49998584.9010004@swbell.net>

Bill wrote:
> Having been away from the CoCo world for many years now, I am unable to
> figure out what to do with DSK and CUPS files I find. They are supposed to
> be disk images, I understand, but how do I restore them to disk or tape
> (whichever is appropriate)?
>
>   
Hey Bill,

We ought to put up an up to date FAQ on this stuff I guess.  The DSK
files are indeed disk image files.  I think the CUPS files you mention
are actually CUTS files, which I believe are text-encoded individual
binary files, used to send files over email or UUCP.  I don't think they
are used much these days, but I believe there's a fairly big collection
of them floating around, perhaps from the Princeton mail list.  If
you're using DECB, look for a file named CUTS.BAS, and for OS-9 I see
CUTS.BASIC09.

Most of the CoCo emulators come with a utility to write floppy disk
images onto real disks and to read and write individual files from the
host filesystem to the disk image file.  The classic ones come
originally from Jeff Vavasour's CoCo emulators:  port.exe and
dskini.exe.  The former moves files on and off of image files, and the
latter writes image files to disk.  Unfortunately, dskini.exe only works
in DOS or Win9x, not Windows NT-based operating systems, such as Windows
2000, XP, or Vista, because these operating systems don't allow programs
to directly access the floppy disk controller.  There is a driver called
Fdrawcmd.sys that makes the FDC details available to application
programs.  dskini.exe doesn't know how to use it, but there are various
programs, such as CoCoDisk ( http://coco3.com/users/DarrenA/ ) that do.

For Linux and MacOS, there is the Toolshed suite.  (
http://www.nitros9.org/tools.html )

As for the physical media, you will either need a 360K drive on your PC,
or do what I do and put 3.5" drives on your CoCo.  If your aim is just
to have disk drives on your CoCo and get existing disk images onto them,
the latter may be much easier, given that 360K drives are becoming a
little harder to find these days.  But if you want to read old 5.25"
CoCo disks onto your PC, you'll need a 5.25" drive on the PC.  You might
be able to use a 1.2M high density 5.25" drive for reading CoCo disks,
but it will have to double-step.  Writing low density disks on such a
drive is problematic at best.

You can also serve disk images to your CoCo using Cloud-9's Drivewire or
Roger Taylor's upcoming CoCoNet over a serial cable.

Finally, if you really have no money to spend on these commercial
programs, you could get some programs over to your CoCo by extracting
individual files from disk images using an appropriate utility on your
PC, use a program to convert the binary to a .WAV cassette file (Perhaps
you can do this from one of the emulators) and play the .WAV file
through the PC's sound card into the CoCo via a cassette cable.

Hope that gives you an idea what to look for.

JCE
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 10:33:20 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CUPS and DSK files
In-Reply-To: <49998584.9010004@swbell.net>
References: <00ae01c98fdd$5815ae10$08410a30$@rr.com>
	<49998584.9010004@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <000001c9904b$e628cbb0$b27a6310$@rr.com>

It gives me an idea what is what and brings me to the conclusion that I'm
gonna haveto play with the rom paks that came with my donated CoCo2. I'll
never find disks, software, mpi, or anything else I need (or actually, what
I'd LIKE to have). As you said, "if you really have no money to spend ... ".
I'm just gonna pray that some of the 'old-timers' who remember me will
donate some more stuff.

Thanks for the info.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Joel Ewy
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:26 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] CUPS and DSK files

> 
> Hope that gives you an idea what to look for.
> 



From tonypodraza at juno.com  Mon Feb 16 13:31:23 2009
From: tonypodraza at juno.com (Tony Podraza)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:31:23 GMT
Subject: [Coco] proposal for CoCoFEST! talk
Message-ID: <20090216.123123.10187.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>


I think that anything that involves the CoCo would be found interesting.  The promulgation of ideas, in developement or testinf or actual usage, is one of the things that Glenside is about, and this proposed discussion is just how the first RGB-A to vga interface was developed at a restaurant after a club meeting back in the 90's.
get in touch with Brian Goers for further scheduling.
Go for it!!!!!
tp
 

-- "John W. Linville" <linville at tuxdriver.com> wrote:
So once again FEST! time is approaching and I have no noteworthy
project to display.  Rather than come empty-handed, I thought I might
have an alternative this year.

I thought I might put together a little presentation on how to do
some simple CoCo development using the conveniences of a modern PC
(i.e. "cross development").  This would be a survey of some of the
available tools and basic technologies.  As I am not a CoCo programmer
of any note, this would specifically _not_ be a talk to 'how to write
the greatest CoCo game ever'.  Instead it would be more of a basic
overview of some of the available tools and their strengths, etc.
I would try to cover both RSDOS and OS-9 targets.

Does this interest anyone?  I would put together a few slides and
some simple demos, and the rest of the FEST! could be an extended
demo and Q&A opportunity.  Is this worthwhile?

Feedback welcome!

John

P.S.  I'm a Linux guy, so the presentation would be weighted towards
what is available in a Unix-like environment (including cygwin, etc).

P.P.S.  I would, of course, be open to suggestions of any particular
tools/projects to cover, interesting tips or resources, etc.
-- 
John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have.  Be ready.

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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 13:37:55 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:37:55 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
Message-ID: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com>

Does anyone have an GOOD pictures of the various Radio Shack / Tandy / TRS
80 / Color Computer logos?  Any and all would be welcome.  I need "full
frontal" pictures, unfortunately what I need them for will not work with
side shots or angle shots.

Thanks.

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From tlindner at macmess.org  Mon Feb 16 13:54:54 2009
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:54:54 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
In-Reply-To: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <1iv88vs.1h7b2u813l5y62M%tlindner@macmess.org>

Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have an GOOD pictures of the various Radio Shack / Tandy / TRS
> 80 / Color Computer logos?  Any and all would be welcome.  I need "full
> frontal" pictures, unfortunately what I need them for will not work with
> side shots or angle shots.
> 

I did a vector version of the old time Radio Shack logo. Here is a large
version rendered to png:

http://cocomag.dyndns.org/RadioShackLogo.png

If you really want photographs, then sorry... I don't have any of thoes.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 14:00:40 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
In-Reply-To: <1iv88vs.1h7b2u813l5y62M%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com>
	<1iv88vs.1h7b2u813l5y62M%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <000901c99068$dd192160$974b6420$@rr.com>

That's good work. Do you mind if I use it as part of my forum board? You
will get credits, I assure you.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of tim lindner
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Logo pictures
> 
> Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone have an GOOD pictures of the various Radio Shack / Tandy
> / TRS
> > 80 / Color Computer logos?  Any and all would be welcome.  I need
> "full
> > frontal" pictures, unfortunately what I need them for will not work
> with
> > side shots or angle shots.
> >
> 
> I did a vector version of the old time Radio Shack logo. Here is a
> large
> version rendered to png:
> 
> http://cocomag.dyndns.org/RadioShackLogo.png
> 
> If you really want photographs, then sorry... I don't have any of
> thoes.
> 
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 15:32:22 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:32:22 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill"
> Does anyone have an GOOD pictures of the various Radio Shack / Tandy / TRS
> 80 / Color Computer logos?  Any and all would be welcome.  I need "full
> frontal" pictures, unfortunately what I need them for will not work with
> side shots or angle shots.
>
> Thanks.

Bill,

 See if you can use this one...
http://coco.thetinbox.com/Coco3Logo.jpg


George 



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 15:47:56 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:47:56 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
In-Reply-To: <002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com>
	<002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com>

Good one, that's just the kind that I'm looking for. Thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of George Ramsower
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:32 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Logo pictures
> 
>  See if you can use this one...
> http://coco.thetinbox.com/Coco3Logo.jpg



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 15:54:17 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:54:17 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c99078$bc96bb40$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill"

> Good one, that's just the kind that I'm looking for. Thanks


 I did a bit more than retouch.. Check this one and see which prints better.

http://coco.thetinbox.com/Coco3Logo2.jpg

George



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 16:09:07 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:09:07 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <003101c9907a$ce8851e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill"


> Good one, that's just the kind that I'm looking for. Thanks

The next one is from a CC2. Give me about twenty minutes for that one. Gotta 
do some serious retouching there.

George



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Mon Feb 16 16:21:40 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:21:40 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] march 1991 rainbow reuploaded
Message-ID: <gncld4+5b4o@eGroups.com>

i reuploaded this yesterday

there was a filesize mismatch hence the data corruption

all fixxed now



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 17:27:47 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:27:47 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


Coco2 Logo...
http://coco.thetinbox.com/Coco2Logo.jpg


George


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 17:32:01 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
In-Reply-To: <004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com>
	<004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <001701c99086$63523880$29f6a980$@rr.com>

Nice, thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of George Ramsower
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:28 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Logo pictures
> 
> 
> Coco2 Logo...
> http://coco.thetinbox.com/Coco2Logo.jpg
> 
> 
> George
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 17:33:08 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:33:08 -0600
Subject: [Coco]  Labels on cocos
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <004701c99086$8ba65140$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

 In doing the logo images, I noticed right away that the colors of the red 
green an blue aren't consistant between the CC2 and the CC3.
 This goes against copywright rules. Normally, the EXACT font and color are 
specified in this scenario and remain constant throughout the product line.

 I expect RatShack didn't know this. What a bunch of boneheads.

George 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 17:39:43 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:39:43 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com><004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<001701c99086$63523880$29f6a980$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c99087$7717c140$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

From: "Bill"


> Nice, thanks
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Coco2 Logo...
>> http://coco.thetinbox.com/Coco2Logo.jpg
>>
>>
>> George


 That's all I had laying around. It was kind of interesting to place a coco 
in a scanner. The CC2 was bit heavy on the keyboard side because it has a 
disk controller and a disk drive mounted inside. I had to place several 
books on top of the upside down computer to make it stay put.
 I have other stuff with different lables, but they are packed away in 
various places. They will probably stay there for a long time. Sorry.

George





From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 17:52:45 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:52:45 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com><004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<001701c99086$63523880$29f6a980$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <005901c99089$48cdb590$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

It just occured to me that this can be a good thing....to be able to print 
up a decal or a paste-on lable.
This would look good on my repacked CNC Coco. I'm thinking a decal is in 
order. Compared to plain paper, decals are relatively expensive, but fun as 
heck and would look good on that machine.
It wouldn't be too difficult to enhance the original Coco lable and add the 
CNC Machine Controller to it.

Oh, what fun!

George 



From jet.pack at ymail.com  Mon Feb 16 21:08:08 2009
From: jet.pack at ymail.com (John Eric)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:08:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Reading DOS Rom
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111813120.7810@duo>
	<5d802cd0902111521i8a66c54o5a0dd526471a29f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111844180.7810@duo>
Message-ID: <685684.47933.qm@web111211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

my programmer didn't support the 68xxx series /rom/eproms, so I stuck a 24-pin socket on top of a 28-pin socket bottom justified with pins 24, 21 and 18 bent out.i then wired pin 24 of the 24p socket to pin 28 of the 28 pin socket, pin21 of 24p to pin 2 of 28p, pin18 of 24p to pin 23 of the 28p. Then i placed the rsdos rom into the 24p socket and plugged the contraption into my eprom burner and read it as a 2764. Of course, you should verify my wiring to make sure i haven't messed anything up. -Jeric




________________________________
From: Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:44:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Reading DOS Rom

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Darren A wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>
>> Before I damage something, can anyone confirm that the ROM from a Tandy
>> floppy controller can be safely read on an EPROM programmer?  If so, what do
>> I setup for?  Is there an actual EPROM part number that uses the same pinout
>> as the masked ROM?  Can I simply setup for a 2764 and offset it in the
>> socket?
>>
>
> If it is an FD-502 with a 28 pin ROM then it can be read just as if it were
> a 2764 EPROM.  If it is a 24 pin ROM then the EPROM programmer would need to
> be configured for a 68764 or 68766 EPROM.

Thanks!  That's what I needed.  I have an FD-501 with the 24-pin ROM.



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From jet.pack at ymail.com  Mon Feb 16 21:50:33 2009
From: jet.pack at ymail.com (John Eric)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:50:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo Stuff I've created.
Message-ID: <493521.84613.qm@web111204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Since recently getting involved in the coco I have spent many hours developing some products and acquiring parts and things.

Some of what I am working on:

*An 8-Slot Multi-Pak replacement. This was done as two boards - a plug in buffer cart and a slot select 8 slot card that connects to the buffer cart with a short 40 wire ribbon. I have ordered some initial prototype PCB's for the buffer cart from PCB Pool. Once it is completely debugged (actually it should be fully functional), I will layout and order the slot board prototypes. Eventually, If I put it into production, I will probably use a CPLD to house all of the circuitry. I feel very good about the outcome of this project and once completed, I will make the plans available as a free download. If I can get say 7 to 10 orders, I'll produce this thing, but I need to see what the cost is going to be before I really consider this. Also, it uses an ATX power supply to power the 8-Slot board. I'll put up a webpage soon with the details.

*A flexible EPROM cartridge. This was originally designed as simply a cartridge that you could plug say an RS-232 Pak into and disable it's internal rom without need of taking apart the rs-232 pak - I figured this would be useful for folks not wanting to damage the labels on their vintage equipment. This has, however, evolved into a cartridge that can accept a 2764, 27128 or 27256 Eprom. Jumpers allow setting the device to disable the ROM of any cartridge plugged into this board, allows this boards eprom to replace the rom of any cart plugged into it, allows any cart plugged into it to appear to be completely romless, allows disabling of cart autostart and various other minor features. I'm proud of this one.

*Dual RS-232 Pak that is mapped to the addresses of the Deluxe RS-232 Pak and the DC-Modem Pak - this allows it to function with pretty much any available CoCo software. Schematics are done, but I've not laid out the PCB yet.

*Floppy Disk Controller - this, I haven't designed yet. I have stocked up on WD1773 and MB8877 Fujitsu Floppy Controller I.C.'s, but I've not yet decided on what features to include or which chipset to use. I am considering a controller that has integrated parallel, serial and RTC at the least, and will probably make them Disto compatible since the drivers already exist. Anyone having suggestions for this controller, send them my way. I have enough components on hand to produce a 25 board run, but it's more likely that I'll only do ten of them.

*26-3124 Satellite Board - I have recreated the satellite board that upgrades the 26-3124 MPI for the CoCo 3. I modified Radio Shacks Design by including a jumper for CoCo 1/2 or CoCo 3 selection. It is installed the same way as the original Radio Shack board. I plan to make at least 25 of these available if there is sufficient interest.

*I am working on a plethora of minor projects. All of this mainly as a distraction from the daily grind, and I'm enjoying it. Anyone interested in seeing any of the schematics and board layouts, contact me offlist and I'll email them to you as an attachment, as soon as I get all of the PCB Layouts done.

Some stuff I have stocked up on include the WD1773, MB8877 and HD63B09E and I can make some of these available to those interested. I would like to hear from anyone interested in any of my projects, and really would appreciate suggestions for hardware projects.

Does anyone have the mapping info of any of the MIDI cards that were available for the CoCo? I would like to design a single card that would be compatible with all of the CoCo MIDI cards that may have existed. These appear to have been little more than a memory decode circuit for a 6850 ACIA, a clocking circuit and an opto-isolator. I am certainly going to develop one of these. May even include the Orchestra 90 and Stereo Composer along with any other music hardware that I can find info on - it could be the "ultimate" CoCo Sound Card.

 Hopefully, there will be some interest in my projects - anyone who would like to help debug the schematics as I design them are welcome to join my "design" team :) I do make lots of mistakes and I'm hoping that by making my work available, others can detect errors and help me debug the products.

I am not doing this for profit. It would actually be difficult to just break even on any of this, but that's what I am shooting for.

Send me ideas and suggestions...please.

Thanks to all - Jeric



      


From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Mon Feb 16 22:53:28 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:53:28 +1100
Subject: [Coco] CoCo Stuff I've created.
In-Reply-To: <493521.84613.qm@web111204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <493521.84613.qm@web111204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <499A34B8.5090700@iinet.net.au>

John Eric wrote:

> *A flexible EPROM cartridge. This was originally designed as simply a
	(snip)
> accept a 2764, 27128 or 27256 Eprom. Jumpers allow setting the device to
> disable the ROM of any cartridge plugged into this board, allows this
> boards eprom to replace the rom of any cart plugged into it, allows any
> cart plugged into it to appear to be completely romless, allows disabling
> of cart autostart and various other minor features. I'm proud of this
> one.

I also have a few available...
<http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug/coco/coco.htm>

> Hopefully, there will be some interest in my projects - anyone who would
> like to help debug the schematics as I design them are welcome to join my
> "design" team :) I do make lots of mistakes and I'm hoping that by making
> my work available, others can detect errors and help me debug the
> products.

Have you considered prototyping your designs in an FPGA? I could assist with 
that if you're interested?

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 16 23:49:09 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:49:09 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
In-Reply-To: <005901c99089$48cdb590$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com><004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001701c99086$63523880$29f6a980$@rr.com>
	<005901c99089$48cdb590$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <499A41C5.4050006@sbcglobal.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
> It just occured to me that this can be a good thing....to be able to 
> print up a decal or a paste-on lable.
> This would look good on my repacked CNC Coco. I'm thinking a decal is 
> in order. Compared to plain paper, decals are relatively expensive, 
> but fun as heck and would look good on that machine.
> It wouldn't be too difficult to enhance the original Coco lable and 
> add the CNC Machine Controller to it.
>
> Oh, what fun!
>
> George
>
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>
Then you should check out http://www.Pulsarprofx.com click the home tab. 
You will find Decalprofx and information on decal.
If you want the direct link use 
http://www.pulsarprofx.com/DecalPRO/index.html.

Have fun
Brian

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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 00:06:24 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:06:24 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Logo pictures
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com><004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001701c99086$63523880$29f6a980$@rr.com><005901c99089$48cdb590$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<499A41C5.4050006@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <008f01c990bd$7bf60830$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>


----- Original Message ----- 
> It just occured to me that this can be a good thing....to be able to print 
> up a decal or a paste-on lable.
> This would look good on my repacked CNC Coco. I'm thinking a decal is in 
> order. Compared to plain paper, decals are relatively expensive, but fun 
> as heck and would look good on that machine.
> It wouldn't be too difficult to enhance the original Coco lable and add 
> the CNC Machine Controller to it.
>
> Oh, what fun!
>
> George


From: "Brian Goers"
>
Then you should check out http://www.Pulsarprofx.com click the home tab.
You will find Decalprofx and information on decal.
If you want the direct link use
http://www.pulsarprofx.com/DecalPRO/index.html.

Have fun
Brian


InkJet decal paper is about a buck a sheet(usually sold in packs of ten, 
8.5X11 size). Probably not as good as what you suggested but I would NEVER 
make enough decals to justify ninety bucks on something as good as that. 
I've used dry transfer stuff for many years, the stuff that is already 
printed and it is WAY cool if you can get all the characters aligned. Spray 
some clear laquer over it and it's looks great. Decals can look as good. 
Same time involved, different procedure.
 When I get a different printer that uses pigmented ink, then things will 
change. The printer I have now is a dye ink and tends to fade over time. 
Bummer.

 I'll keep this in mind, though. This looks interesting.

 Thanks,

George 



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Tue Feb 17 05:55:46 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:55:46 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow feburary 1992 uploading
Message-ID: <gne53i+ebjp@eGroups.com>

file size 103,045,775

will take about 1.5 hours

will no get 1991 may,june,july and rescan and upload as they are very
low quality compared to what i can produce now



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 07:36:03 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:36:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Reading DOS Rom
In-Reply-To: <685684.47933.qm@web111211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111813120.7810@duo>
	<5d802cd0902111521i8a66c54o5a0dd526471a29f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902111844180.7810@duo>
	<685684.47933.qm@web111211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902170732070.11842@duo>

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, John Eric wrote:

> my programmer didn't support the 68xxx series /rom/eproms, so I stuck a 
> 24-pin socket on top of a 28-pin socket bottom justified with pins 24, 
> 21 and 18 bent out.i then wired pin 24 of the 24p socket to pin 28 of 
> the 28 pin socket, pin21 of 24p to pin 2 of 28p, pin18 of 24p to pin 23 
> of the 28p. Then i placed the rsdos rom into the 24p socket and plugged 
> the contraption into my eprom burner and read it as a 2764. Of course, 
> you should verify my wiring to make sure i haven't messed anything up.

I ended up doing the same thing, but with machined-pin sockets.  Not 
really a lot of fun, but it worked fine.  I'm going to put a ZIF socket on 
the top to avoid repeated inserts and removals.

After capturing the image, I was able to create a dual-personality ROM 
for my floppy controller.  Standard Tandy image in the bottom half and 
Cloud-9 HDB-DOS in the top (I'm using Mark's little adapter).

I'd actually like to mount a switch on the cart case to select between 
them, but it doesn't look like there's enough clearance anywhere.

Has anyone else done this?

Steve


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From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Tue Feb 17 07:49:51 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:49:51 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1991 rescan uploading
Message-ID: <gnebpf+87ep@eGroups.com>

rescanned as the quality of the original scan i did scan was garbage
compared to what i can produce now
please delete the original file and replace with this
it is named
rainbow.may.1991.rescan.pdf
file size
133,520,988



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Feb 17 11:07:00 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:07:00 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1991 rescan uploading
In-Reply-To: <gnebpf+87ep@eGroups.com>
References: <gnebpf+87ep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006701c99119$c46da620$4d48f260$@rr.com>

Page 22 is upside down...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of stinger30au
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:50 AM
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow may 1991 rescan uploading
> 



From destoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 11:30:50 2009
From: destoo at gmail.com (Destoo)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:30:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Old techies
Message-ID: <b8f2ff730902170830w6dabd411g61be6d3bf9b99384@mail.gmail.com>

So.. Anyone kept track of this?

I'm 34. First owned a coco 2 at the age of 10.  The N64 kids video? Yeah. My
brother and me both jumped around like that when we unwrapped it.
I'll probably introduce my sons to it in a few years.


From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 17 12:31:44 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:31:44 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Decal Paper and inks.  Was> Re:  Logo pictures
In-Reply-To: <008f01c990bd$7bf60830$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com><004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001701c99086$63523880$29f6a980$@rr.com><005901c99089$48cdb590$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<499A41C5.4050006@sbcglobal.net>
	<008f01c990bd$7bf60830$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <499AF480.7050604@sbcglobal.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> It just occured to me that this can be a good thing....to be able to 
>> print up a decal or a paste-on lable.
<Stuff Deleted>
> From: "Brian Goers"
>>
>
> InkJet decal paper is about a buck a sheet(usually sold in packs of 
> ten, 8.5X11 size). Probably not as good as what you suggested but I 
> would NEVER make enough decals to justify ninety bucks on something as 
> good as that.
<Deleted>
> When I get a different printer that uses pigmented ink, then things 
> will change. The printer I have now is a dye ink and tends to fade 
> over time. Bummer.
>
That proves you have to stop and look at what is available in the 
present. Because things change.
Two questions.
How do you stop the ink from fading when you remove the backing?
How do you know if you have a pigmented ink? I have usually used HP or 
Office Max refills.
Thanks
Later
Brian


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From tonypodraza at juno.com  Tue Feb 17 12:31:25 2009
From: tonypodraza at juno.com (Tony Podraza)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:31:25 GMT
Subject: [Coco] CoCoFEST! Exhibitor's application
Message-ID: <20090217.113125.6950.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

Hi, y,all.
I want to remind you that you can find a copy of the 2009 CoCoFEST! Exhibitor's application at glensideccc.com.  goto the bottom of the page and click on the last link.  as each page pops up, pring the .jpg and then click on the displayed page again; the next age will overwrite the displayed page, print again, etc.
Time is short, the daze will soon be upon us.
please let us know your intentions so we may plan for the layout.
the dates listed on the application are arbitrary.  let us know.  sooner is better than at the door.
scan and email the filled out app, if you want...one year, someone actually scanned their cash deposit!!!! (fun idea, but isn'r that what it as all about?????)
JUST GET THE APP TO US!!!!!   the more we know that more we can tell others who will be here!!!!!
 
GET READY TO ROCK AND ROLL!
 
 
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From tonypodraza at juno.com  Tue Feb 17 12:40:59 2009
From: tonypodraza at juno.com (Tony Podraza)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:40:59 GMT
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
Message-ID: <20090217.114059.6950.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>


Roger,
 
I do SO wish that you could pack up a trunk or trailer of your goodies and make the trek to Elgin next month.  The stuff that you have conceived and put together would surely draw attention to all there.  
(SIGH!)  maybe some day!
 

-- Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:
Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)

Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.

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From tonypodraza at juno.com  Tue Feb 17 12:47:06 2009
From: tonypodraza at juno.com (Tony Podraza)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:47:06 GMT
Subject: [Coco] CoCoFEST! Exhibitor's application
Message-ID: <20090217.114706.6950.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

MAybe arbitrary isn't the word....but we have never had to turn anyone away who wanted to exhibit...not even halfway through the FEST!, on Sunday morning...but the sooner we know that you wish to be an exhibitor, the smoother the whole she-bang goes for us, in planning, scheduling, floor layout, power runs, and accounting.  please disregard spelling errors, lack of correct punctionating, etc.   I'm on vacation, this week, and my fingers and brain aren't functioning normally....See you all in a month!!!!!

-- "Tony Podraza" <tonypodraza at juno.com> wrote:
Hi, y,all.
I want to remind you that you can find a copy of the 2009 CoCoFEST! Exhibitor's application at glensideccc.com.  goto the bottom of the page and click on the last link.  as each page pops up, pring the .jpg and then click on the displayed page again; the next age will overwrite the displayed page, print again, etc.
Time is short, the daze will soon be upon us.
please let us know your intentions so we may plan for the layout.
the dates listed on the application are arbitrary.  let us know.  sooner is better than at the door.
scan and email the filled out app, if you want...one year, someone actually scanned their cash deposit!!!! (fun idea, but isn'r that what it as all about?????)
JUST GET THE APP TO US!!!!!   the more we know that more we can tell others who will be here!!!!!

GET READY TO ROCK AND ROLL!


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From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 17 13:33:13 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:33:13 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
Message-ID: <499B02E9.1070702@sbcglobal.net>

I suggested at the Glenside meeting that we might have a Club jacket.
I was thinking of having a logo on the back of the jacket. But we need 
to decide what that Glenside logo would be.
Or should we only go with something on the front left chest.

The jackets can be one (1) or two (2) of a color. We don't have to pick 
one color for everyone
The printing is embroidered. Not silk screened. Color changes don't cost 
more.
I can obtain 6XL Long jacket, if not this style then one very much like it.
If we decide on a logo by about the February 26, I can have a price 
before the show.
And have a sample made up for the next Glenside meeting.
The base price of the jacket 2008 price is $20.00 and printing is above 
that.

Any ideas for a logo? Printing to include 2nd Thursday meeting date, 
Location. Chicago skyline, A Color Computer.
A World map?
Later
Brian

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 IDE Boards are available.

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     Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin.



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 14:42:42 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:42:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] archive error
In-Reply-To: <002201c99039$7b8d8e60$72a8ab20$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <161615.11543.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If using WinRAR make sure that when you go to extract after you click on Extract To that on the next screen the Keep Broken Archives option is checked on. It should then work just fine.



Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote: I downloaded the July 1983 archive and when I opened them, I got these
errors:

Rainbow July 1983.rar-Unexpected end of archive (The downloaded archive was
only 115Mb, instead of the 342 it said)

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From brjeremy at juno.com  Tue Feb 17 15:33:08 2009
From: brjeremy at juno.com (brjeremy at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:33:08 GMT
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
Message-ID: <20090217.143308.21378.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Hi Brian:

I'm not sure how it would go with my habit, but it sounds like a great idea and I would be interested.

With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW

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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 15:46:27 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:46:27 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Decal Paper and inks.  Was> Re:  Logo pictures
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com><002101c99075$ac693840$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001001c99077$d915ead0$8b41c070$@rr.com><004401c99085$cc1d6b60$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<001701c99086$63523880$29f6a980$@rr.com><005901c99089$48cdb590$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>	<499A41C5.4050006@sbcglobal.net><008f01c990bd$7bf60830$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
	<499AF480.7050604@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c99140$ce925200$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

George Ramsower wrote:
>W>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> It just occured to me that this can be a good thing....to be able to 
>>> print up a decal or a paste-on lable.
><Stuff Deleted>
>>>
>>
>> InkJet decal paper is about a buck a sheet(usually sold in packs of ten, 
>> 8.5X11 size). Probably not as good as what you suggested but I would 
>> NEVER make enough decals to justify ninety bucks on something as good as 
>> that.
><Deleted>
>> When I get a different printer that uses pigmented ink, then things will 
>> change. The printer I have now is a dye ink and tends to fade over time. 
>> Bummer.
>>
From: "Brian Goers"

>That proves you have to stop and look at what is available in the present. 
>Because things change.

As in?

>Two questions.
>How do you stop the ink from fading when you remove the backing?

 Okay, you can't unless you keep it in the dark.  Removing the decal from 
the "Water Slide" paper does not affect the fading. This begins the minute 
it is printed.
 The dye inkjet water slide prints must be covered with a clear coat of 
paint to prevent it from washing off when soaking the water slide paper for 
use. I don't know about pigmented ink, if it would be water soluable. I 
don't think is is. I would expect it would be a good idea to coat that with 
clear also, if for no other reason than just to add an extra layer of 
protection from abrasion(rubbing off).

>How do you know if you have a pigmented ink? I have usually used HP or 
>Office Max refills.
>Thanks
>Later
>Brian

 The mfg of the printer will PROUDLY announce that their machine uses 
pigmented ink.  You have no choice on whether to use dye or pigment. It's a 
design thing in the printer and ink cartridge.

 The Kodak ESP series of printers boast a pigmented, archival quality life 
span of 99 years. I'm waiting for reviews on these before I decide if I want 
one. There are many others, most are professional printers.

George





From operator at coco3.com  Tue Feb 17 17:58:25 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:58:25 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090217.114059.6950.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20090217.114059.6950.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20090217225840.C3D8520A14@qs281.pair.com>

At 11:40 AM 2/17/2009, you wrote:

>Roger,
>
>I do SO wish that you could pack up a trunk or trailer of your 
>goodies and make the trek to Elgin next month.  The stuff that you 
>have conceived and put together would surely draw attention to all there.
>(SIGH!)  maybe some day!
>
>
>-- Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:
>Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)
>
>Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.


I'll have to put in a request at work and just wait for a decision.

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 21:16:22 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:16:22 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
References: <499B02E9.1070702@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <574CB7C6A8474BC3A5F30B31AA8C188B@NewBaby>


"Faster than an IBM PC"?

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Goers" <briang0671 at sbcglobal.net>

Any ideas for a logo? Printing to include 2nd Thursday meeting date, 
Location. Chicago skyline, A Color Computer.
A World map?
Later
Brian



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Feb 17 21:40:35 2009
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:40:35 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Decal Paper and inks.  Was> Re:  Logo pictures
In-Reply-To: <000a01c99140$ce925200$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
References: <000401c99065$afd94c00$0f8be400$@rr.com>
	<499AF480.7050604@sbcglobal.net>
	<000a01c99140$ce925200$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <200902172140.35350.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tuesday 17 February 2009, George Ramsower wrote:
>George Ramsower wrote:
>>W>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>> It just occured to me that this can be a good thing....to be able to
>>>> print up a decal or a paste-on lable.
>>
>><Stuff Deleted>
>>
>>> InkJet decal paper is about a buck a sheet(usually sold in packs of ten,
>>> 8.5X11 size). Probably not as good as what you suggested but I would
>>> NEVER make enough decals to justify ninety bucks on something as good as
>>> that.
>>
>><Deleted>
>>
>>> When I get a different printer that uses pigmented ink, then things will
>>> change. The printer I have now is a dye ink and tends to fade over time.
>>> Bummer.
>
>From: "Brian Goers"
>
>>That proves you have to stop and look at what is available in the present.
>>Because things change.
>
>As in?
>
>>Two questions.
>>How do you stop the ink from fading when you remove the backing?
>
> Okay, you can't unless you keep it in the dark.  Removing the decal from
>the "Water Slide" paper does not affect the fading. This begins the minute
>it is printed.
> The dye inkjet water slide prints must be covered with a clear coat of
>paint to prevent it from washing off when soaking the water slide paper for
>use. I don't know about pigmented ink, if it would be water soluable. I
>don't think is is. I would expect it would be a good idea to coat that with
>clear also, if for no other reason than just to add an extra layer of
>protection from abrasion(rubbing off).
>
>>How do you know if you have a pigmented ink? I have usually used HP or
>>Office Max refills.
>>Thanks
>>Later
>>Brian
>
> The mfg of the printer will PROUDLY announce that their machine uses
>pigmented ink.  You have no choice on whether to use dye or pigment. It's a
>design thing in the printer and ink cartridge.
>
> The Kodak ESP series of printers boast a pigmented, archival quality life
>span of 99 years. I'm waiting for reviews on these before I decide if I want
>one. There are many others, most are professional printers.
>
>George
>
Also, Epsons printers that use the Dura-Brite inks claim that too.  And they 
seem to be pretty durable.  I have an elderly C82 that should fall over and 
die, but Epson made an unusually good one for a change.

-- 
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 21:55:35 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:55:35 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
References: <499B02E9.1070702@sbcglobal.net>
	<574CB7C6A8474BC3A5F30B31AA8C188B@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <002b01c99174$5fc9e2f0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

          "TRS Color Computer"
 "Faster Than A Herd Of Turtles!"
 "The Hare Won't Get You There"
 "The Coco Can Make The Hurdles"

  Just got out of the shower and this hit me.

Sorry.
George

> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Goers" <briang0671 at sbcglobal.net>
> 
> Any ideas for a logo? Printing to include 2nd Thursday meeting date, 
> Location. Chicago skyline, A Color Computer.
> A World map?
> Later
> Brian
> 
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Feb 17 22:26:03 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:26:03 -0500
Subject: [Coco] archive error
In-Reply-To: <161615.11543.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <002201c99039$7b8d8e60$72a8ab20$@rr.com>
	<161615.11543.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c99178$a10963e0$e31c2ba0$@rr.com>

Has anyone else downloaded Rainbow July 1983.rar to see if it's my
imagination?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Derek
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:43 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] archive error
> 
> If using WinRAR make sure that when you go to extract after you click
> on Extract To that on the next screen the Keep Broken Archives option
> is checked on. It should then work just fine.
> 
> 
> 
> Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote: I downloaded the July 1983 archive
and when I opened them, I got these
> errors:
> 
> Rainbow July 1983.rar-Unexpected end of archive (The downloaded archive
was only 115Mb, instead of the 342 it said)



From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net  Tue Feb 17 22:26:53 2009
From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:26:53 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
In-Reply-To: <574CB7C6A8474BC3A5F30B31AA8C188B@NewBaby>
References: <499B02E9.1070702@sbcglobal.net>
	<574CB7C6A8474BC3A5F30B31AA8C188B@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <499B7FFD.80102@bjork-huffman.net>

Neil Morrison wrote:
>
> "Faster than an IBM PC"?
>
Sorry, but no.

I don't want my fellow tech-heads laughing at me while say "What rock 
have you been sleeping under for the past 20 years."

Betters ones would be "Boots in a blink of an eye!" or "Ready to Rock 
and Roll in a tenth of a second."

Both are very true (if you are not using OS-9.)

Steve



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Tue Feb 17 23:09:24 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Coco] archive error
In-Reply-To: <009e01c99178$a10963e0$e31c2ba0$@rr.com>
References: <002201c99039$7b8d8e60$72a8ab20$@rr.com>	<161615.11543.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<009e01c99178$a10963e0$e31c2ba0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <00a201c9917e$af1a1a00$0d4e4e00$@rr.com>

Well, I did it the "long way around". Opened the .rar file online, then
extracted the .pdf to my own HD. Took forever, but it got here in one piece.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:26 PM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: Re: [Coco] archive error
> 
> Has anyone else downloaded Rainbow July 1983.rar to see if it's my
> imagination?
> 



From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com  Tue Feb 17 23:12:16 2009
From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:12:16 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
In-Reply-To: <499B02E9.1070702@sbcglobal.net>
References: <499B02E9.1070702@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <jf2np4teojq6csdv17sok2jfh7q0b6ugr1@4ax.com>

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:33:13 -0600, Brian Goers
<briang0671 at sbcglobal.net> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk
out:

>Any ideas for a logo?

Multi-tasking since (whatever year OS-9 was released for the Coco)


From chawks at dls.net  Wed Feb 18 06:50:40 2009
From: chawks at dls.net (Christopher Hawks)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:50:40 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
In-Reply-To: <jf2np4teojq6csdv17sok2jfh7q0b6ugr1@4ax.com>
References: <499B02E9.1070702@sbcglobal.net>
	<jf2np4teojq6csdv17sok2jfh7q0b6ugr1@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <499BF610.40705@dls.net>

Stephen Castello said the following on 02/17/2009 10:12 PM:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:33:13 -0600, Brian Goers
> <briang0671 at sbcglobal.net> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk
> out:
> 
>> Any ideas for a logo?
> 
> Multi-tasking since (whatever year OS-9 was released for the Coco)

1983


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From os9dude at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 07:32:34 2009
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:32:34 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
In-Reply-To: <499B7FFD.80102@bjork-huffman.net>
References: <499B02E9.1070702@sbcglobal.net>
	<574CB7C6A8474BC3A5F30B31AA8C188B@NewBaby>
	<499B7FFD.80102@bjork-huffman.net>
Message-ID: <5631e580902180432l5532f9fnc31e99e9c27a7f90@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Steve Bjork <6809er at bjork-huffman.net>wrote:

I don't want my fellow tech-heads laughing at me while say "What rock have
> you been sleeping under for the past 20 years."
>

The original IBM PC was a doorstop compared to the CoCo, granted: the 5150
box came with more goodies and expansion but still it moved like a sloth
compared to a lean rabbit, I mean... CoCo Cat.

So maybe the phrase "Faster than an IBM PC" has quite some real world value
and reflects nicely on how better behaved was the Motorola's 6809 CPU when
compared to Intel's 8088.

Other thing would be if we were to say "Faster than an Alienware" or "Faster
than a Mac-mini" - no contest there.



-=[ Rogelio ]=-


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Wed Feb 18 07:43:12 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:43:12 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow june & july 1991 rescan uploading
	to excalibur1
Message-ID: <gngvp0+1065b@eGroups.com>

june 1991 rescan is almost complete
file size is 135,512,600

july 1991 rescan is 128,391,955

well thats it for 1991, its now fully scanned at a very good quality
in the next day or so i will make up my mind what year to scan next

i need a break for a day or so
im sure my scanner will appreciate a break too



From vchester at setec-cr.com  Wed Feb 18 08:33:15 2009
From: vchester at setec-cr.com (Chester A Patterson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:33:15 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
In-Reply-To: <002b01c99174$5fc9e2f0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>
Message-ID: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E01380833@setec-server.SETEC.COM>

'09
Leaves the rest behin'

-----Original Message-----
> From: "Brian Goers" <briang0671 at sbcglobal.net>
> 
> Any ideas for a logo? Printing to include 2nd Thursday meeting date, 
> Location. Chicago skyline, A Color Computer.
> A World map?
> Later
> Brian


From Nuxie at aol.com  Wed Feb 18 09:13:36 2009
From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:13:36 EST
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
Message-ID: <c47.505ce888.36cd7190@aol.com>

hahaha i love the faster than a herd of turtles! I have a key ring that  says 
"trs80 Terror" people always ask me what that means lol. It is just to hard  
to explain cause no one ever gets it lol.
Mary
 
 
In a message dated 2/17/2009 8:56:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
georgeramsower at gmail.com writes:

"TRS Color Computer"
"Faster Than A Herd Of  Turtles!"
"The Hare Won't Get You There"
"The Coco Can Make The  Hurdles"

Just got out of the shower and this hit  me.

Sorry.
George

> 
> ----- Original Message -----  
> From: "Brian Goers" <briang0671 at sbcglobal.net>
> 
>  Any ideas for a logo? Printing to include 2nd Thursday meeting date, 
>  Location. Chicago skyline, A Color Computer.
> A World map?
>  Later
> Brian
> 
> 
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From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Wed Feb 18 09:46:14 2009
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:46:14 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <20090217225840.C3D8520A14@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090217.114059.6950.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
	<20090217225840.C3D8520A14@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <200902180946.14908.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>

On Tuesday 17 February 2009 17:58:25 Roger Taylor wrote:
> At 11:40 AM 2/17/2009, you wrote:
> >Roger,
> >
> >I do SO wish that you could pack up a trunk or trailer of your
> >goodies and make the trek to Elgin next month.  The stuff that you
> >have conceived and put together would surely draw attention to all there.
> >(SIGH!)  maybe some day!
> >
> >
> >-- Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:
> >Can one picture be worth 115200 wireless words?  ;)
> >
> >Check out the front page of coco3.com and let me know what you think.
>
> I'll have to put in a request at work and just wait for a decision.

Hi Roger, I too echo that wish. I would really like to meet you if for no 
other reason than I can attach a face to the name. Also, I would like nothing 
better than to purchase some of your goodies at the fest.


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Wed Feb 18 12:06:47 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:06:47 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo cassette tapes
Message-ID: <000601c991eb$492f79c0$db8e6d40$@rr.com>

Does anyone have any c-10 or c-20 computer cassette tapes they might spare?
I might get lucky and find a cassette player.

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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Wed Feb 18 12:27:32 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:27:32 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo cassette tapes
In-Reply-To: <000601c991eb$492f79c0$db8e6d40$@rr.com>
References: <000601c991eb$492f79c0$db8e6d40$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <499C4504.2020306@worldnet.att.net>

Bill wrote:
> Does anyone have any c-10 or c-20 computer cassette tapes they might spare?
> I might get lucky and find a cassette player.
> 
> ______________________________________

You don't need computer tapes. Any standard iron oxide tape will work. 
For example I've used Realistic low noise 60, Maxell LN 60, and others.


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Wed Feb 18 12:33:57 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:33:57 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo cassette tapes
In-Reply-To: <499C4504.2020306@worldnet.att.net>
References: <000601c991eb$492f79c0$db8e6d40$@rr.com>
	<499C4504.2020306@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c991ef$141e2160$3c5a6420$@rr.com>

See, I knew it had been a while...

Thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:28 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo cassette tapes
> 
> You don't need computer tapes. Any standard iron oxide tape will work.
> For example I've used Realistic low noise 60, Maxell LN 60, and others.
> 



From sklammer at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 12:45:39 2009
From: sklammer at gmail.com (Shain Klammer)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:45:39 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo cassette tapes
In-Reply-To: <000b01c991ef$141e2160$3c5a6420$@rr.com>
References: <000601c991eb$492f79c0$db8e6d40$@rr.com>
	<499C4504.2020306@worldnet.att.net>
	<000b01c991ef$141e2160$3c5a6420$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <3925f0b0902180945k29d487cga933e8c620af5688@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah but, some of those old C10 and C20 tapes had those black polygons
painted on the hub to make them look like the big mainframe reels so
prevelant in those old sci-fi movies (and many big corporations I'm sure)!


2009/2/18 Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>

> See, I knew it had been a while...
>
> Thanks
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:28 PM
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo cassette tapes
> >
> > You don't need computer tapes. Any standard iron oxide tape will work.
> > For example I've used Realistic low noise 60, Maxell LN 60, and others.
> >
>
>
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From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Wed Feb 18 14:34:20 2009
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:34:20 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Glenside Club Jacket
Message-ID: <20090218.143420.4000.0.JohnChasteen.2@Juno.com>


Brian   I would be interested and I will be at the Fest,  
Saint John
 
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:33:08 GMT "brjeremy at juno.com" <brjeremy at juno.com>
writes:
> Hi Brian:
> 
> I'm not sure how it would go with my habit, but it sounds like a 
> great idea and I would be interested.
> 
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From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 14:51:43 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:51:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FPGA
In-Reply-To: <200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>
	<200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <499C66CF.6020001@gmail.com>

Folks,
Occasionally I hear the term FPGA used in various discussions here on 
the list. Can anyone recommend any books, tutorials, or url's that can 
help me learn about this subject?

Alan Jones
  
-- 
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http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home




From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Wed Feb 18 15:55:13 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:55:13 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Parts list
Message-ID: <003201c9920b$34523c70$9cf6b550$@rr.com>

Does anyone know of a COMPLETE parts list for Radio Shack (computer) parts?

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From jdaggett at gate.net  Wed Feb 18 16:01:07 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:01:07 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FPGA
In-Reply-To: <499C66CF.6020001@gmail.com>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>,
	<200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>,
	<499C66CF.6020001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499C30C3.23987.DED5E@jdaggett.gate.net>

On 18 Feb 2009 at 14:51, N8WQ wrote:

> Folks,
> Occasionally I hear the term FPGA used in various discussions here on
> the list. Can anyone recommend any books, tutorials, or url's that can
> help me learn about this subject?
> 
> Alan Jones
> 


FPGA stands for Field Programable Gate Array.  Xilinx, Altera, Lattice are 
the major manufacturers of such devices.

Primarily they are comprised of LUTs( Look Up Tables), RAM, multiplexors 
and filip flops. With a 4 input LUT you can synthesize just about any 4 input 
logic imaginable. The LUT can also be a 16 bit ram, a shift register, a 
decode or encode logic. With the basic building blocks of a FPGA you can 
synthesize just about any digital logic thinkable. 

FPGAs are programmed with a language that is known as HDL, Hardware 
Description Language. There are two major flavors of HDL, VHDL and 
Verilog. VHDL is a programming language that is based on ADA and has 
some similar chracteristics to Pascal. Verilog kind of mimics C. 

All the manufacturers of FPGAs have free development tools for their own 
products. Also there are other vendors that make tools that are more 
generic and can be used on different FPGA vendors. The advantage of the 
tools is that one can use a programing language to describe the bahevior of 
the digital circuit, compile the program and simulate the logic before 
synthesizing it to actual part. 

The best way to start learning is to determine which language you want to 
learn first, VHDL or Verilog. Both have their maerits and drawbacks. Once 
decided on either VHSL or Verilog, there are many tutorials on the web. 
Search these and then download either Alterra's Quartus or Xilinx's 
Webpack ISE and install that. Then it is just learning how to code and 
synthesize and simulate the designs. You can do this all without ever 
having to buy any FPGA development boards. 

Eventually you will want to actully test your design in real product. That 
there is another issue. Which vendor? That becomes a matter of choice. 

hope this helps soem

james




From jcewy at swbell.net  Wed Feb 18 16:07:13 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:07:13 -0600
Subject: [Coco] FPGA
In-Reply-To: <499C66CF.6020001@gmail.com>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>	<200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<499C66CF.6020001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499C7881.9000701@swbell.net>

N8WQ wrote:
> Folks,
> Occasionally I hear the term FPGA used in various discussions here on
> the list. Can anyone recommend any books, tutorials, or url's that can
> help me learn about this subject?
>
> Alan Jones
>  
Try the Wikipedia article out for a start: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array
As it pertains to the CoCo, FPGA chips are now capable of containing the
entire functionality of a simple computer to create a System On a Chip
(SOC).  Gary Becker's CoCo3FPGA project seems to be the farthest along
in development:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoCo3FPGA/

Mark McDougall and James Daggett have mentioned on this list that they
are also working on CoCo-related FPGA projects.  I believe Mark has made
significant progress on implementing a CoCo I/II on FPGA, and James has
mentioned that he is working on GIME functionality.

Verilog and VHDL are two popular HDLs (Hardware Description Languages)
that are used to describe the logic functions that can be programmed
into an FPGA.

JCE



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Wed Feb 18 16:14:11 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:14:11 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] may 1991 page 21 corrected & uploading
Message-ID: <gnhtn3+ov89@eGroups.com>

thanks for spotting the correction to be made to page 21

only took a few seconds to fix from linux command line

file size is 133,521,00
uploading now to excalibur1
will take a few hours to upload



From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 18:23:35 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FPGA
In-Reply-To: <499C7881.9000701@swbell.net>
References: <E9B296E7-7EFB-4799-A5B3-DBA5AAD8B9F4@ocs.net>	<200902151330.07756.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<499C66CF.6020001@gmail.com>
	<499C7881.9000701@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <499C9877.5070603@gmail.com>

Hi Joel,
Thanks for the great info on the FPGA. I am reading the wiki now. I 
stumbled on to one web site that refered to a Becker CoCo 3 FPGA, but 
the site was no longer in operation.

Alan Jones

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Joel Ewy wrote:
> N8WQ wrote:
>   
>> Folks,
>> Occasionally I hear the term FPGA used in various discussions here on
>> the list. Can anyone recommend any books, tutorials, or url's that can
>> help me learn about this subject?
>>
>> Alan Jones
>>  
>>     
> Try the Wikipedia article out for a start: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array
> As it pertains to the CoCo, FPGA chips are now capable of containing the
> entire functionality of a simple computer to create a System On a Chip
> (SOC).  Gary Becker's CoCo3FPGA project seems to be the farthest along
> in development:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoCo3FPGA/
>
> Mark McDougall and James Daggett have mentioned on this list that they
> are also working on CoCo-related FPGA projects.  I believe Mark has made
> significant progress on implementing a CoCo I/II on FPGA, and James has
> mentioned that he is working on GIME functionality.
>
> Verilog and VHDL are two popular HDLs (Hardware Description Languages)
> that are used to describe the logic functions that can be programmed
> into an FPGA.
>
> JCE
>
>
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From twixt at cstone.net  Wed Feb 18 18:15:26 2009
From: twixt at cstone.net (David Bush)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:15:26 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Another flaky question: RAM "snapshot"
	device
Message-ID: <gni4qe+ag1b@eGroups.com>

I have several CoCo programs which, as far as I know,
exist only on my 5.25" floppies: Pyramix, The Source,
Demon Seed, Sinistaar.

I purchased each of these legally. Their copy protection
schemes are in the long run potentially damaging, both
to the diskettes and the diskette drive. Demon Seed in
particular is quite a drive thrasher.

I would like to be able to disassemble and modify these
programs so they can run off my hard drive. To that end,
I have in mind a hardware device which would work as
follows: I load and run the software. While it is
running, I push a button, and the CPU receives a
non-maskable interrupt. The address of the NMI routine
is also changed, so control is transferred to another
program while the copy-protected program is still
sitting in RAM. I could then transfer RAM to a disk file
to examine and disassemble at my leisure.

Does this seem feasible? Is there a simpler solution?
Thanks!

BTW there is a bug in Demon Seed which crops up if you
attain the boss ship level (fifth level) for the second
(or maybe third) time. Sometimes it works, and sometimes
the program crashes the moment the boss level starts.
Does anyone have a patch?



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Wed Feb 18 21:29:01 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:29:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Another flaky question: RAM "snapshot"
 device
In-Reply-To: <gni4qe+ag1b@eGroups.com>
References: <gni4qe+ag1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <499CC3ED.2000802@worldnet.att.net>

David Bush wrote:
> I have several CoCo programs which, as far as I know,
> exist only on my 5.25" floppies: Pyramix, The Source,
> Demon Seed, Sinistaar.
> 
> I purchased each of these legally. Their copy protection
> schemes are in the long run potentially damaging, both
> to the diskettes and the diskette drive. Demon Seed in
> particular is quite a drive thrasher.
> 
> I would like to be able to disassemble and modify these
> programs so they can run off my hard drive. To that end,
> I have in mind a hardware device which would work as
> follows: I load and run the software. While it is
> running, I push a button, and the CPU receives a
> non-maskable interrupt. The address of the NMI routine
> is also changed, so control is transferred to another
> program while the copy-protected program is still
> sitting in RAM. I could then transfer RAM to a disk file
> to examine and disassemble at my leisure.
> 
> Does this seem feasible? Is there a simpler solution?
> Thanks!
> 
> BTW there is a bug in Demon Seed which crops up if you
> attain the boss ship level (fifth level) for the second
> (or maybe third) time. Sometimes it works, and sometimes
> the program crashes the moment the boss level starts.
> Does anyone have a patch?
> 
> 

I don't see much hope of this method working. The best approach is to 
disassemble the games so that copy protection can be bypassed. That's 
assuming the authors have not released unprotected versions.
Of course you should always see if someone else has done the work. :)
Pyramix
http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/downunder/RSDOS/Briang/Briang/

Sinistaar
http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/downunder/RSDOS/Sundog-Games/Sundog/
http://goyim.dyndns.org:8080/coco/Games/Sinistaar%20(coco%203)/

Can't find Demon Seed. Not sure about The Source, is that a game or 
disassemble?



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 21:32:44 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:32:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Another flaky question: RAM "snapshot"
 device
In-Reply-To: <gni4qe+ag1b@eGroups.com>
References: <gni4qe+ag1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902182129560.11842@duo>

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, David Bush wrote:

> I would like to be able to disassemble and modify these
> programs so they can run off my hard drive. To that end,
> I have in mind a hardware device which would work as
> follows: I load and run the software. While it is
> running, I push a button, and the CPU receives a
> non-maskable interrupt. The address of the NMI routine
> is also changed, so control is transferred to another
> program while the copy-protected program is still
> sitting in RAM. I could then transfer RAM to a disk file
> to examine and disassemble at my leisure.

I'm surprised that such a thing doesn't already exist.  There were many 
NMI based "cracker" devices for the Apple 2, and that platform could 
support some very bizarre protection schemes!

-- 


From rbihler at msn.com  Wed Feb 18 21:39:04 2009
From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:39:04 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Another flaky question: RAM "snapshot"
 device
In-Reply-To: <gni4qe+ag1b@eGroups.com>
References: <gni4qe+ag1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP595B10F9F3B4E3968A7C33AFB20@phx.gbl>

I do recall in the day there was a program that would run and allow a 
memory dump of the program in memory.  One would load the cracking 
program into memory and then run the protected software and halt the 
coco allowing the memory to be extracted. 

It's been a very long time, but I do know this program had been used to 
make pirate copies of software of several big protected titles.
Again I know there is was a program available then, but don't remember 
the name. 

Doesn't help much other than to say someone might still have this software.

Ron Bihler
RiBBS



David Bush wrote:
> I have several CoCo programs which, as far as I know,
> exist only on my 5.25" floppies: Pyramix, The Source,
> Demon Seed, Sinistaar.
>
> I purchased each of these legally. Their copy protection
> schemes are in the long run potentially damaging, both
> to the diskettes and the diskette drive. Demon Seed in
> particular is quite a drive thrasher.
>
> I would like to be able to disassemble and modify these
> programs so they can run off my hard drive. To that end,
> I have in mind a hardware device which would work as
> follows: I load and run the software. While it is
> running, I push a button, and the CPU receives a
> non-maskable interrupt. The address of the NMI routine
> is also changed, so control is transferred to another
> program while the copy-protected program is still
> sitting in RAM. I could then transfer RAM to a disk file
> to examine and disassemble at my leisure.
>
> Does this seem feasible? Is there a simpler solution?
> Thanks!
>
> BTW there is a bug in Demon Seed which crops up if you
> attain the boss ship level (fifth level) for the second
> (or maybe third) time. Sometimes it works, and sometimes
> the program crashes the moment the boss level starts.
> Does anyone have a patch?
>
>
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>
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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Thu Feb 19 00:33:18 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Another flaky question: RAM "snapshot"
 device
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP595B10F9F3B4E3968A7C33AFB20@phx.gbl>
References: <gni4qe+ag1b@eGroups.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP595B10F9F3B4E3968A7C33AFB20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <499CEF1E.7060204@worldnet.att.net>

Ron Bihler wrote:
> I do recall in the day there was a program that would run and allow a 
> memory dump of the program in memory.  One would load the cracking 
> program into memory and then run the protected software and halt the 
> coco allowing the memory to be extracted.
> It's been a very long time, but I do know this program had been used to 
> make pirate copies of software of several big protected titles.
> Again I know there is was a program available then, but don't remember 
> the name.
> Doesn't help much other than to say someone might still have this software.
> 
> Ron Bihler
> RiBBS
> 

There actually is a program you can use called NoICE by John Hartman 
which allows complete debug monitoring of a Coco.
http://www.noicedebugger.com/
Boisy has some OS-9 code which permits NoICE to work with OS-9. Check 
the Sourceforge 3rdparty/p2mods/noice.

However, don't get your hopes up that this can be easily used to crack 
copy protection schemes in games. NoICE is not intended to that purpose 
and a good disassembler program is a better approach.


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Feb 19 00:39:51 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:39:51 -0500
Subject: [Coco] RSS Feed
Message-ID: <005b01c99254$7c76d300$75647900$@rr.com>


What's the possibility of getting an RSS feed from this group?

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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Feb 19 01:00:25 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:00:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] may 1991 page 21 corrected & uploading
In-Reply-To: <gnhtn3+ov89@eGroups.com>
References: <gnhtn3+ov89@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006001c99257$5c0102f0$140308d0$@rr.com>

Outstanding, thanks


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 19 01:17:22 2009
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:17:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] Parts list
In-Reply-To: <003201c9920b$34523c70$9cf6b550$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <832098.57439.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The catalogs can be found online here: http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalog_directory.html. 

The list of Express order inventory items they had in the 1980's is not fully available I do not believe. It never was to the general public and even at the computer repair centers we did not have a full list. 



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From flexser at fiu.edu  Thu Feb 19 01:39:15 2009
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Art Flexser)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:39:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Another flaky question: RAM "snapshot"
 device
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902182129560.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0902190106270.1723-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

I believe there was such a gadget for the CoCo, a Rompack called Magic Key.  
I'm not certain it used the NMI, but it seems likely.  It was advertised in
Rainbow for a short while.  Anybody know anything about it?  Anybody have the
ad?  Did Rainbow review it?

As a commercial product, I'm pretty sure it was unsuccessful, probably because
it was overpriced.  I never heard of anyone who actually claimed to have one.

On the CoCo 1 and 2, there was a snapshot technique that involved holding down
the shift and break keys while pressing Reset.  That broke you out of any
program by fooling the initialization routine for memory setup into thinking you
had a 4K machine, causing the memory map of RAM to get reconfigured.  Most
commands wouldn't work in this mode ('out of memory' error), but CLOADM and EXEC
would, which enabled restoration of the 64K memory mode and snapshotting of
memory by running a short ML program.  This was not workable on a CoCo 3 (and
probably not on late CoCo 2s, either) because the test for 4K was eliminated
from the memory setup ROM routine in late versions of Color Basic.

Art

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, David Bush wrote:
> 
> > I would like to be able to disassemble and modify these
> > programs so they can run off my hard drive. To that end,
> > I have in mind a hardware device which would work as
> > follows: I load and run the software. While it is
> > running, I push a button, and the CPU receives a
> > non-maskable interrupt. The address of the NMI routine
> > is also changed, so control is transferred to another
> > program while the copy-protected program is still
> > sitting in RAM. I could then transfer RAM to a disk file
> > to examine and disassemble at my leisure.
> 
> I'm surprised that such a thing doesn't already exist.  There were many 
> NMI based "cracker" devices for the Apple 2, and that platform could 
> support some very bizarre protection schemes!
> 
> -- 
> 
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
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From tvefoo at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 19 05:53:30 2009
From: tvefoo at yahoo.com (Tveo Loatouse)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:53:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] I am uploading Rainbows to excalibur1.net
Message-ID: <367386.35014.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I am uploading what I have of Rainbows for 1983, 1984, and 1985 to excalibur1.net. I suggest that we keep the best of any duplicates if there are any duplicates. Thus, winding up with the best of the best.

tvefoo



      


From keeper63 at cox.net  Thu Feb 19 10:24:25 2009
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:24:25 -0700
Subject: [Coco] FPGA
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1235024241.83123.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.10.1235024241.83123.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <499D79A9.8030400@cox.net>

Alan,

You have already been given a lot good of information about FPGAs and 
such, so I won't reiterate that.

What I will mention is that if you ever want to see the tantalizing 
possibilities of FPGAs, google the terms "CAM Brain", "Hugo DeGaris", 
"roboneko", "Brain Building", "StarLabs" and "Genobyte".

For those not in the know:

Back in the mid-to-late 1990s, Hugo DeGaris came up with this scheme to 
build what was essentially a CA (cellular automata) driven, evolvable 
neural-net system built in hardware, based on a specific model of Xilinx 
FPGA (dig deep enough, and you will find out which FPGA, which is no 
longer manufactured, and why it was ideal). Basically, the system would 
evolve a neural-net, in which each FPGA represented a portion of the 3D 
logical substructure (cube shaped, from images) which contained a 
portion of the neural network, the interconnections and such being 
shaped by an evolutionary CA algorithm. The FPGA simulated the neurons 
and the network they formed.

DeGaris' idea was to build a brain using this method - his first goal 
was that of the equivalent of a cat's brain (hence, the roboneko 
project, which was a robot to simulate a cat, which the CAM Brain would 
control - it looked kinda like Sony's Aibo - but was never built, only 
modeled). Some sub-goals were met with success (I think some nets were 
evolved to discriminate sounds and the like). A few of the initial CAM 
Brain machines were built by Genobyte and shipped to a few places around 
the world, mainly ATR in Japan and StarLabs in Brussels, which is 
defunct (there are pictures - the case of these initial machines were 
designed to look like a slice of the brain cortex - very nice industrial 
design).

I remember at the time (late-1990's) that there was a lot of discussion 
on the merits of the system, what it could or couldn't do, and whether 
the whole thing was a scam or smoke and mirrors. It is still unclear 
what the verdict is. Hugo DeGaris has bounced around to other places 
since then, first to a campus in Utah, then later (and currently) to a 
university in China. He is a bit "out there" with his ideas, it may be a 
case of overworked genius or what-have-you (for instance, his ideas 
which led to his book, The Artilect War). He is a controversial figure 
in the AI community (though not shunned like Mentifex).

I don't know what happened to the machines which were built; it's a very 
strange case to dig into, and I have never found any real answers. The 
idea seems sound, but at the same time I only lurk on the edges so I 
don't know what the real truth is. I am pretty certain though that real 
hardware and development was done, but due to lack of quick progress 
(the bane of AI), the dot-COM bust, as well as a whole host of other 
reasons (not the least of which is probably DeGaris' personality, though 
that is just speculation on my part), this project fizzed out. Because 
of all of this, his work seems like a scam to get money, bouncing from 
benefactor-to-benefactor.

What the ultimate truth is remains speculation. But the idea of using 
FPGAs to evolve neural networks remains a fascinating area of research, 
at least for me (I only wish I had the time and money to learn FPGA 
design and programming, etc - but it is something that looks like it 
would take several years of intense study to really understand it to the 
point of performing my own experiments in the area, and I need another 
project like a hole in the head).

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona

> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:51:43 -0500
> From: N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Coco] FPGA
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <499C66CF.6020001 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Folks,
> Occasionally I hear the term FPGA used in various discussions here on 
> the list. Can anyone recommend any books, tutorials, or url's that can 
> help me learn about this subject?
> 
> Alan Jones


From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 19 10:36:30 2009
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:36:30 -0600
Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net interrupted transfers
In-Reply-To: <832098.57439.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <003201c9920b$34523c70$9cf6b550$@rr.com>
	<832098.57439.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV229EFC2740258FDC97374FC8B20@phx.gbl>

Hi, the excalibur1.net site is my site.  I'm not sure what the deal is with
some of these documents terminating download before the full size is
reached.  The server is a paid for remote server, it's not in my home.  I
went and tried downloading some of the same files people have been
mentioning problems with and have encountered the same problems.  I'm not
sure if its just a busy server or something else.

I've been checking on ways to iron this out from the user's computer.  Since
I have FTP access to the http://excalibur1.net/coco site I tried downloading
the same files via FTP and the transfers went ok.   I could possibly make
the site available in FTP to users as well as an alternative means of
downloading.

Also, I remember using a download program a few years ago called Download
Accelerator.  You gave it the link of the web file you are trying to
download and it would always grab the entire file even if the transfers were
otherwise unreliable with firefox/IE.  It supported transfer resume (some
FTP clients do as well) and, as a extra bonus, it maximized the speed of
your downloads. For instance, sometimes I will download a file and achieve
approximately 200kb/sec rates via Firefox when my cable connection could get
up to about 500kb/sec rates max.  Downloading the same file with such a
download manager gets me almost to the max rate because it makes multiple
web connections to the file to download many pieces of it at the same
time....with each piece running at high speeds.

It just so happens I found a current download manager that supports ALL
these features and more.  Better yet, its FREE!  I've been playing around
with it and it solves the issues with the files on the excalibur1.net site
and even downloads the files faster.
The link is here at http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/download.htm

If people desire FTP access to the main excalibur1/coco site I will get this
implemented but it would require username/password access (not anonymous)
just like the upload FTP is already.

People please let me know your thoughts on these things or if you have other
ideas.

- Chad



From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 19 10:44:02 2009
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:44:02 -0600
Subject: [Coco] I am uploading Rainbows to excalibur1.net
In-Reply-To: <367386.35014.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <367386.35014.qm@web58102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV3D0CF80AD7CD74125ED02C8B20@phx.gbl>

I've been deleting the old "corrupted" copies of these files once I've
checked that the new ones are good.  I'm trying to keep duplicates of files
off the site all together.
- Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Tveo Loatouse
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:54 AM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: [Coco] I am uploading Rainbows to excalibur1.net

I am uploading what I have of Rainbows for 1983, 1984, and 1985 to
excalibur1.net. I suggest that we keep the best of any duplicates if there
are any duplicates. Thus, winding up with the best of the best.

tvefoo



      

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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Feb 19 10:45:36 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net interrupted transfers
In-Reply-To: <COL0-DAV229EFC2740258FDC97374FC8B20@phx.gbl>
References: <003201c9920b$34523c70$9cf6b550$@rr.com>	<832098.57439.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<COL0-DAV229EFC2740258FDC97374FC8B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c992a9$1c382660$54a87320$@rr.com>

As an "out of the loop" CoCo enthusiast, I would be very interested in FTP
access to catch up on what I've missed in the last few years. My email addy
is cwgordon at carolina.rr.com if you'd like to contact me concerning username
and password.

Thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chad H
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:37 AM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net interrupted transfers
>
> If people desire FTP access to the main excalibur1/coco site I will get
> this implemented but it would require username/password access (not
> anonymous) just like the upload FTP is already.
> 



From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 19 10:49:49 2009
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:49:49 -0600
Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net interrupted transfers
In-Reply-To: <000e01c992a9$1c382660$54a87320$@rr.com>
References: <003201c9920b$34523c70$9cf6b550$@rr.com>	<832098.57439.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<COL0-DAV229EFC2740258FDC97374FC8B20@phx.gbl>
	<000e01c992a9$1c382660$54a87320$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV53C304DA52591A998A447FC8B20@phx.gbl>

Well, it would be one username/password for everyone...not individual names.
This is how the upload FTP already is.
The http://excalibur1.net/coco is already fully browseable in a web browser
if you want to look around.
- Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:46 AM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [Coco] excalibur1.net interrupted transfers

As an "out of the loop" CoCo enthusiast, I would be very interested in FTP
access to catch up on what I've missed in the last few years. My email addy
is cwgordon at carolina.rr.com if you'd like to contact me concerning username
and password.

Thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chad H
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:37 AM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net interrupted transfers
>
> If people desire FTP access to the main excalibur1/coco site I will get
> this implemented but it would require username/password access (not
> anonymous) just like the upload FTP is already.
> 


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From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 11:53:01 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FPGA
In-Reply-To: <499D79A9.8030400@cox.net>
References: <mailman.10.1235024241.83123.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<499D79A9.8030400@cox.net>
Message-ID: <499D8E6D.9050501@gmail.com>

Hi Andrew,
Thanks for responding to my message. What you have to say is very 
interesting! I don't think I will be delving into AI anytime soon though. :)

Alan Jones

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http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home



Andrew wrote:
> Alan,
>
> You have already been given a lot good of information about FPGAs and 
> such, so I won't reiterate that.
>
> What I will mention is that if you ever want to see the tantalizing 
> possibilities of FPGAs, google the terms "CAM Brain", "Hugo DeGaris", 
> "roboneko", "Brain Building", "StarLabs" and "Genobyte".
>
> For those not in the know:
>
> Back in the mid-to-late 1990s, Hugo DeGaris came up with this scheme 
> to build what was essentially a CA (cellular automata) driven, 
> evolvable neural-net system built in hardware, based on a specific 
> model of Xilinx FPGA (dig deep enough, and you will find out which 
> FPGA, which is no longer manufactured, and why it was ideal). 
> Basically, the system would evolve a neural-net, in which each FPGA 
> represented a portion of the 3D logical substructure (cube shaped, 
> from images) which contained a portion of the neural network, the 
> interconnections and such being shaped by an evolutionary CA 
> algorithm. The FPGA simulated the neurons and the network they formed.
>
> DeGaris' idea was to build a brain using this method - his first goal 
> was that of the equivalent of a cat's brain (hence, the roboneko 
> project, which was a robot to simulate a cat, which the CAM Brain 
> would control - it looked kinda like Sony's Aibo - but was never 
> built, only modeled). Some sub-goals were met with success (I think 
> some nets were evolved to discriminate sounds and the like). A few of 
> the initial CAM Brain machines were built by Genobyte and shipped to a 
> few places around the world, mainly ATR in Japan and StarLabs in 
> Brussels, which is defunct (there are pictures - the case of these 
> initial machines were designed to look like a slice of the brain 
> cortex - very nice industrial design).
>
> I remember at the time (late-1990's) that there was a lot of 
> discussion on the merits of the system, what it could or couldn't do, 
> and whether the whole thing was a scam or smoke and mirrors. It is 
> still unclear what the verdict is. Hugo DeGaris has bounced around to 
> other places since then, first to a campus in Utah, then later (and 
> currently) to a university in China. He is a bit "out there" with his 
> ideas, it may be a case of overworked genius or what-have-you (for 
> instance, his ideas which led to his book, The Artilect War). He is a 
> controversial figure in the AI community (though not shunned like 
> Mentifex).
>
> I don't know what happened to the machines which were built; it's a 
> very strange case to dig into, and I have never found any real 
> answers. The idea seems sound, but at the same time I only lurk on the 
> edges so I don't know what the real truth is. I am pretty certain 
> though that real hardware and development was done, but due to lack of 
> quick progress (the bane of AI), the dot-COM bust, as well as a whole 
> host of other reasons (not the least of which is probably DeGaris' 
> personality, though that is just speculation on my part), this project 
> fizzed out. Because of all of this, his work seems like a scam to get 
> money, bouncing from benefactor-to-benefactor.
>
> What the ultimate truth is remains speculation. But the idea of using 
> FPGAs to evolve neural networks remains a fascinating area of 
> research, at least for me (I only wish I had the time and money to 
> learn FPGA design and programming, etc - but it is something that 
> looks like it would take several years of intense study to really 
> understand it to the point of performing my own experiments in the 
> area, and I need another project like a hole in the head).
>
> -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona
>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:51:43 -0500
>> From: N8WQ <exwn8jef at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Coco] FPGA
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Message-ID: <499C66CF.6020001 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Folks,
>> Occasionally I hear the term FPGA used in various discussions here on 
>> the list. Can anyone recommend any books, tutorials, or url's that 
>> can help me learn about this subject?
>>
>> Alan Jones
>
> -- 
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From bear at bears.org  Thu Feb 19 11:56:35 2009
From: bear at bears.org (Gary)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:56:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net interrupted transfers
In-Reply-To: <COL0-DAV53C304DA52591A998A447FC8B20@phx.gbl>
References: <003201c9920b$34523c70$9cf6b550$@rr.com>
	<832098.57439.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<COL0-DAV229EFC2740258FDC97374FC8B20@phx.gbl>
	<000e01c992a9$1c382660$54a87320$@rr.com>
	<COL0-DAV53C304DA52591A998A447FC8B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902191155220.16843@ferocity.bears.org>

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Chad H wrote:

> Well, it would be one username/password for everyone...not individual names.
> This is how the upload FTP already is.
> The http://excalibur1.net/coco is already fully browseable in a web browser
> if you want to look around.

What about the possibility of zsync (http://zsync.moria.org.uk/) or rsync 
(http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/) access?  I don't know what OS your server 
runs, but those would be very handy for minimizing re-downloads for those 
of us trying to keep our archives current without "hammering" your server.

Peace,
Gary


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Feb 19 12:04:15 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:04:15 -0500
Subject: [Coco] excalibur1.net interrupted transfers
In-Reply-To: <COL0-DAV229EFC2740258FDC97374FC8B20@phx.gbl>
References: <003201c9920b$34523c70$9cf6b550$@rr.com>	<832098.57439.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<COL0-DAV229EFC2740258FDC97374FC8B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001801c992b4$18e0e410$4aa2ac30$@rr.com>

As I said, I'm an "oldie" trying to catch up on as much as I can. I've
downloaded a LOT of stuff off Excalibur, and in an effort to help keep down
'hammering' on the Excalibur site, I'm offering to open my server up to ftp
downloads for anyone who wants it. Strictly depending the O.K. of Chad - I
don't want to step on anyone's toes.

It'll take an hour or so to set everything up, but there won't be a problem
that I can tell.



From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Thu Feb 19 17:16:21 2009
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:16:21 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo cassette tapes
Message-ID: <20090219.171621.1500.12.JohnChasteen.2@Juno.com>

Bill

If you still need the tapes , I will be able to get the company name and
phone number from my 
Church buy their tapes. very reasonable and all sizes of cassette tapes.

John\
 
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:06:47 -0500 "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
writes:
> Does anyone have any c-10 or c-20 computer cassette tapes they might 
> spare?
> I might get lucky and find a cassette player.
> 
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Thu Feb 19 19:47:05 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:47:05 -0500
Subject: [Coco] RS232 Pak CASE
Message-ID: <004101c992f4$c1190e10$434b2a30$@rr.com>

Does anyone have a NON-FUNTIONAL RS232 Pak? I need the case for one I might
be able to buy off ebay. The case is damaged, and if I had a case for it, I
MIGHT have a working RS232 Pak.

Thanks

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From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Thu Feb 19 20:39:54 2009
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:39:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Another flaky question: RAM "snapshot"
	device
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1235024241.83123.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.10.1235024241.83123.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <499E09E8.3020904@usfamily.net>

> From: Robert Gault <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Another flaky question: RAM
	"snapshot" device
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <499CC3ED.2000802 at worldnet.att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> David Bush wrote:

> >> I have several CoCo programs which, as far as I know,
> >> exist only on my 5.25" floppies: Pyramix, The Source,
> >> Demon Seed, Sinistaar.
> >> 
> >> I purchased each of these legally. Their copy protection
> >> schemes are in the long run potentially damaging, both
> >> to the diskettes and the diskette drive. Demon Seed in
> >> particular is quite a drive thrasher.
> >> 
> >> I would like to be able to disassemble and modify these
> >> programs so they can run off my hard drive. To that end,
> >> I have in mind a hardware device which would work as
> >> follows: I load and run the software. While it is
> >> running, I push a button, and the CPU receives a
> >> non-maskable interrupt. The address of the NMI routine
> >> is also changed, so control is transferred to another
> >> program while the copy-protected program is still
> >> sitting in RAM. I could then transfer RAM to a disk file
> >> to examine and disassemble at my leisure.
> >> 
> >> Does this seem feasible? Is there a simpler solution?
> >> Thanks!
> >> 
> >> BTW there is a bug in Demon Seed which crops up if you
> >> attain the boss ship level (fifth level) for the second
> >> (or maybe third) time. Sometimes it works, and sometimes
> >> the program crashes the moment the boss level starts.
> >> Does anyone have a patch?
>
>
>   
> I don't see much hope of this method working. The best approach is to 
> disassemble the games so that copy protection can be bypassed. That's 
> assuming the authors have not released unprotected versions.
> Of course you should always see if someone else has done the work.  :) 
> Pyramix
> http://coco.clubltdstudios.com/downunder/RSDOS/Briang/Briang/


Wow! I've actually been looking for the game Pyramix for a LONG time! I didn't know it was on the Web. Thanks! Robert! I immediately downloaded the .DSK file, put it on a floppy, and then copied the contents of the floppy over to my Coco's hard drive. Finally I get to play this game!

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From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 00:46:26 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:46:26 -0800
Subject: [Coco] CoCo cassette tapes
References: <000601c991eb$492f79c0$db8e6d40$@rr.com><499C4504.2020306@worldnet.att.net><000b01c991ef$141e2160$3c5a6420$@rr.com>
	<3925f0b0902180945k29d487cga933e8c620af5688@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E0E0E952BA6F495292240494C8777EE1@NewBaby>

The C-20s did. I've been looking for a cassette mechanism that would display 
them vertically as they run - like an old mainframe but those days have 
gone.

I do have about 300 blanks I grabbed off eBay - probably C-10 or 20, white 
box.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shain Klammer" <sklammer at gmail.com>

> Yeah but, some of those old C10 and C20 tapes had those black polygons
> painted on the hub to make them look like the big mainframe reels so
> prevelant in those old sci-fi movies (and many big corporations I'm sure)!



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Fri Feb 20 03:15:29 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:15:29 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rescanning rainbow 1990
Message-ID: <gnlor1+pr3n@eGroups.com>

i started with july and working to december
i have downloaded the files available here 

http://rapidshare.com/users/ZAGEK8


and to be honest, im not impressed at all with the quality

i have done july last night and will continue till december then
upload the lot in one hit to excalibur

Thanks Chad for making this ftp site available

these will be the same high quaility scans as i have managed to get
down pat with the 1991 issues

after i finished with december i will go back to janurary and start
cutting spines of books and getting very good high quality scans done

i started at july as they are stapled together and only about 100
pages long.

my mission to bring high quaility pdf scans of the rainbow will continue

enjoy the pdf's i have uploaded so far



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 20 08:10:25 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:10:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Mikeyterm v4.7 users manual
Message-ID: <002e01c9935c$98fe3280$cafa9780$@rr.com>

Does anyone have the complete Mikeyterm v4.7 users manual

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From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 20 14:21:50 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:21:50 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Fwd: GCCC - please put this on CoCoList. - BOb]
Message-ID: <499F02CE.9050309@sbcglobal.net>

The club Secretary Bob asked that I forward this to the list.

-- 
 Brian Goers                                         Glenside Color Computer Club URL
 Glenside Vice-President of Special Events           http://GlensideCCC.com     

 IDE Boards are available.

     The 18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST!
     Will be held March 28 & 29 2009
     Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin.

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From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 14:52:16 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:52:16 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] IDE Boards are available.
Message-ID: <A81E861353794BB08AEEC4D677C355A2@NewBaby>

The club Secretary Bob asked that I forward this to the list.

-- 
 Brian Goers                                         Glenside Color Computer Club URL
 Glenside Vice-President of Special Events           http://GlensideCCC.com     

 IDE Boards are available.

     The 18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST!
     Will be held March 28 & 29 2009
     Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin.


From sklammer at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 15:20:29 2009
From: sklammer at gmail.com (Shain Klammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:20:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] IDE Boards are available.
In-Reply-To: <A81E861353794BB08AEEC4D677C355A2@NewBaby>
References: <A81E861353794BB08AEEC4D677C355A2@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <3925f0b0902201220r50007b8p1b7f630233310208@mail.gmail.com>

The picture on the Glenside website looks nice; but, is there somewhere for
additional details - like cost?


2009/2/20 Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>

> The club Secretary Bob asked that I forward this to the list.
>
> --
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> Computer Club URL
>  Glenside Vice-President of Special Events
> http://GlensideCCC.com <http://glensideccc.com/>
>
>  IDE Boards are available.
>
>     The 18th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST!
>     Will be held March 28 & 29 2009
>     Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin.
>
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From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 20 18:09:55 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:09:55 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] IDE Boards are available.
In-Reply-To: <3925f0b0902201220r50007b8p1b7f630233310208@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A81E861353794BB08AEEC4D677C355A2@NewBaby>
	<3925f0b0902201220r50007b8p1b7f630233310208@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499F3843.9060400@sbcglobal.net>

Shain Klammer wrote:
> The picture on the Glenside website looks nice; but, is there somewhere for
> additional details - like cost?
>   
As my new signature at the bottom says.
We had decided on the show cost at the last meeting and didn't update 
the web page with it
If you contact me I will let you know what size hard drive we have to go 
with your new board.
Any additional details contact me.

> 2009/2/20 Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
>   
>
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>
>   


-- 
 Brian Goers                                         Glenside Color Computer Club URL
 Glenside Vice-President of Special Events           http://GlensideCCC.com     

 IDE Boards are available.
 Show cost $45.00                                   The 18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST!
 Includes items in the picture                      Will be held March 28 & 29 2009
                                                    Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin.



From bsturk at comcast.net  Fri Feb 20 18:53:47 2009
From: bsturk at comcast.net (Brian Sturk)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:53:47 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>

Roger Taylor wrote:
> Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has 
> the side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....
>
> Read on...
>
> The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace itself 
> with an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not CoCoNet, 
> it starts up like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live ROM Pak.  
> From your PC you tell the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - CoCoNet, a 
> game pak, utility pak, embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, the cartridge's 
> EPROM already contains a version of CoCoNet that continues to boot.
>
> This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I can't 
> wait to see all this go wireless.
>
> Wireless virtual disks
> Wireless ROM Paks
> Wireless HTTP requests
>
This sounds so excellent!  I'm using an SVD right now but supporting the 
game paks would convince me to purchase one.  Now to find a way to xvfer 
tape images without the recorder.   ;)

~telengard

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From bsturk at comcast.net  Fri Feb 20 18:59:29 2009
From: bsturk at comcast.net (Brian Sturk)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
Message-ID: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net>

Hi there,

I have a very good condition Coco 3 (bought sealed new, used a few 
times) and I just recently started using the cart port/bus.  I've used 
cartridge games and the SVD virtual disk drive device and when using 
them the video output gets very garbly.  Any ideas on what it might be?  
At first I thought it was the SVD but it happens with the games also.

Hopefully a kind coco hw guru will have some ideas.   :) 
I'm going to go poke around looking for schematics and a way to search 
the mailing list archives.

thanks,
~telengard

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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Fri Feb 20 19:42:47 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:42:47 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
In-Reply-To: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net>
References: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>

Brian Sturk wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have a very good condition Coco 3 (bought sealed new, used a few 
> times) and I just recently started using the cart port/bus.  I've used 
> cartridge games and the SVD virtual disk drive device and when using 
> them the video output gets very garbly.  Any ideas on what it might be?  
> At first I thought it was the SVD but it happens with the games also.
> 
> Hopefully a kind coco hw guru will have some ideas.   :) I'm going to go 
> poke around looking for schematics and a way to search the mailing list 
> archives.
> 
> thanks,
> ~telengard
> 

Which video output do you mean? There are three video outputs on a 
Coco3, RF (red RCA jack), Video (white RCA jack), and RGB (9-pin on the 
bottom of the case.

For any of these, the quality of the cable (poor shielding) might be a 
problem. If using the RF jack, make sure the slide switch (CH) is 
selecting an unused channel in your area. For the composite or RGB, I 
can't think of any reason why a cartridge should interfere with the 
video signal.


From linville at tuxdriver.com  Fri Feb 20 19:36:09 2009
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:36:09 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090221003609.GC3890@tuxdriver.com>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 06:53:47PM -0500, Brian Sturk wrote:
> Roger Taylor wrote:

>> Wireless virtual disks
>> Wireless ROM Paks
>> Wireless HTTP requests
>>
> This sounds so excellent!  I'm using an SVD right now but supporting the  
> game paks would convince me to purchase one.  Now to find a way to xvfer  
> tape images without the recorder.   ;)

IIRC, Roger has a solution for that too...

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville at tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.


From operator at coco3.com  Fri Feb 20 20:28:35 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:28:35 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090221012848.5A67820A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 05:53 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote:
>Roger Taylor wrote:
>>Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has 
>>the side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....
>>
>>Read on...
>>
>>The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace 
>>itself with an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not 
>>CoCoNet, it starts up like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live ROM Pak.
>> From your PC you tell the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - CoCoNet, 
>> a game pak, utility pak, embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, the 
>> cartridge's EPROM already contains a version of CoCoNet that continues to boot.
>>
>>This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I 
>>can't wait to see all this go wireless.
>>
>>Wireless virtual disks
>>Wireless ROM Paks
>>Wireless HTTP requests
>This sounds so excellent!  I'm using an SVD right now but supporting 
>the game paks would convince me to purchase one.  Now to find a way 
>to xvfer tape images without the recorder.   ;)

My new cocotape.exe command for Windows will take any PC file and 
turn it into an audio stream that represents a CoCo file.  In other 
words, a live CoCo file creator.  There's a command switch for 
keeping the WAVE file that was created and played.  Otherwise, the 
temporary WAVE file is deleted once played.  To help the CoCo CLOADM 
or CLOAD a file, you specify if the PC file format is BASIC, binary, 
data, ASCII, etc.





>~telengard
>
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From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 20 22:33:58 2009
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:33:58 -0600
Subject: [Coco] =?windows-1252?q?The_Glenside_18th_Annual_=93Last=94_Chica?=
 =?windows-1252?q?go_CoCoFEST!?=
Message-ID: <499F7626.8050104@sbcglobal.net>

Forwarding the message didn't work the way I thought. Here is the 
message from Bob Swoger.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Glenside 18^th Annual ?Last? Chicago CoCoFEST! Is Saturday & Sunday, 
March 28 & 29. See our web site at http://ncmedals.com/glenside/

If you plan to attend and your name is not yet on the Marquee of the 
Glenside web site, please contact Bob at rswoger at aol.com 
<mailto:rswoger at aol.com> as your name there encourages others to also 
attend.

 

If you have not already received our newsletter and wish to receive it, 
please send your name and email address to Bob at the email address 
above. We hope to see you at CoCoFEST!


-- 
 Brian Goers                                         Glenside Color Computer Club URL
 Glenside Vice-President of Special Events           http://GlensideCCC.com     

 IDE Boards are available.
 Show cost $45.00                                   The 18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST!
 Includes items in the picture                      Will be held March 28 & 29 2009
                                                    Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin.



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Fri Feb 20 22:36:20 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:36:20 -0500
Subject: [Coco] RSS feed
Message-ID: <007a01c993d5$9021ef70$b065ce50$@rr.com>

Does anyone know how to set this mailing list up to have an RSS feed? I'd
love to have all this information being fed to my new CoCo board via RSS.

Thanks

______________________________________
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Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
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A Taste of CoCo Forum
http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php

Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
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From bsturk at comcast.net  Fri Feb 20 22:38:07 2009
From: bsturk at comcast.net (Brian Sturk)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
In-Reply-To: <499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>
References: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net> <499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <499F771F.6070309@comcast.net>

Robert Gault wrote:
> Brian Sturk wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I have a very good condition Coco 3 (bought sealed new, used a few 
>> times) and I just recently started using the cart port/bus.  I've 
>> used cartridge games and the SVD virtual disk drive device and when 
>> using them the video output gets very garbly.  Any ideas on what it 
>> might be?  At first I thought it was the SVD but it happens with the 
>> games also.
>>
>> Hopefully a kind coco hw guru will have some ideas.   :) I'm going to 
>> go poke around looking for schematics and a way to search the mailing 
>> list archives.
>>
>> thanks,
>> ~telengard
>>
>
> Which video output do you mean? There are three video outputs on a 
> Coco3, RF (red RCA jack), Video (white RCA jack), and RGB (9-pin on 
> the bottom of the case.
>
> For any of these, the quality of the cable (poor shielding) might be a 
> problem. If using the RF jack, make sure the slide switch (CH) is 
> selecting an unused channel in your area. For the composite or RGB, I 
> can't think of any reason why a cartridge should interfere with the 
> video signal.
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
Hi there,

Sorry for not being more specific.  I'm using the composite video out to 
a 1702 monitor.  I'll try a better cable, good idea.  The interference 
only seems to happen when the cart port is being used and after.  If I 
just boot up the coco w/ something plugged in it stays fine.  And it 
seems like something bad coming out of the coco.
Interference from a magnetic field has a certain look and this seems 
more like something else.  On a black screen I can see hints of orange 
and blue.  It's almost like random repainting of the screen *and* the 
magnetic field effect.  Definitely weird.

thanks for the help, I'll report back,
~telengard

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From t.fadden at cox.net  Fri Feb 20 22:47:38 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:47:38 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
In-Reply-To: <499F771F.6070309@comcast.net>
References: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net> <499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>
	<499F771F.6070309@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <499F795A.9070309@cox.net>

I have seen similar symptoms with loose memory chip contacts, and gime 
contacts.  Even though the machine is new, 25 years new! ha ha ha  I 
would re seat all of the socked chips, and to an eraser job on the 
motherboard rom-pak contacts.

Tim

Brian Sturk wrote:
> Robert Gault wrote:
>> Brian Sturk wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I have a very good condition Coco 3 (bought sealed new, used a few 
>>> times) and I just recently started using the cart port/bus.  I've 
>>> used cartridge games and the SVD virtual disk drive device and when 
>>> using them the video output gets very garbly.  Any ideas on what it 
>>> might be?  At first I thought it was the SVD but it happens with the 
>>> games also.
>>>
>>> Hopefully a kind coco hw guru will have some ideas.   :) I'm going 
>>> to go poke around looking for schematics and a way to search the 
>>> mailing list archives.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> ~telengard
>>>
>>
>> Which video output do you mean? There are three video outputs on a 
>> Coco3, RF (red RCA jack), Video (white RCA jack), and RGB (9-pin on 
>> the bottom of the case.
>>
>> For any of these, the quality of the cable (poor shielding) might be 
>> a problem. If using the RF jack, make sure the slide switch (CH) is 
>> selecting an unused channel in your area. For the composite or RGB, I 
>> can't think of any reason why a cartridge should interfere with the 
>> video signal.
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> Hi there,
>
> Sorry for not being more specific.  I'm using the composite video out 
> to a 1702 monitor.  I'll try a better cable, good idea.  The 
> interference only seems to happen when the cart port is being used and 
> after.  If I just boot up the coco w/ something plugged in it stays 
> fine.  And it seems like something bad coming out of the coco.
> Interference from a magnetic field has a certain look and this seems 
> more like something else.  On a black screen I can see hints of orange 
> and blue.  It's almost like random repainting of the screen *and* the 
> magnetic field effect.  Definitely weird.
>
> thanks for the help, I'll report back,
> ~telengard
>



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Feb 21 00:15:54 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:15:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
In-Reply-To: <499F771F.6070309@comcast.net>
References: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net> <499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>
	<499F771F.6070309@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <499F8E0A.80204@worldnet.att.net>

Brian Sturk wrote:

>   On a black screen I can see hints of orange 
> and blue.  It's almost like random repainting of the screen *and* the 
> magnetic field effect.  Definitely weird.
> 
> thanks for the help, I'll report back,
> ~telengard
> 

As Tim suggested, re-seating all socketed chips is a good idea even if 
it does not help with this problem. Tandy did not use gold plated 
contacts so a fresh surface can't hurt and could help.

The orange and blue, is that fringing around text with a 40 or 80 column 
screen? If so, it is artifact colors typical of composite video. Some 
screen colors will make the effect worse than others. There is only one 
way to get rid of it completely and that is by patching Basic.
If this is the source of your colors, I'd suggest using a 40 column 
screen with a white background and black letters. Enter
WIDTH40
CLS5

If the orange and blue is artifacts and you get a disk system to make it 
easy to SAVE and RUN programs, the following will turn off the color 
burst signal and remove artifacts.

10 POKE&HE033,16:REM width 32 screen
20 POKE&HE03C,19:REM width 40 screen
30 POKE&HE045,19:REM width 80 screen



From bsturk at comcast.net  Fri Feb 20 19:16:08 2009
From: bsturk at comcast.net (Brian Sturk)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:16:08 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
In-Reply-To: <499F795A.9070309@cox.net>
References: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net>
	<499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>	<499F771F.6070309@comcast.net>
	<499F795A.9070309@cox.net>
Message-ID: <499F47C8.1090800@comcast.net>

Hi Tim,

I tried everything you suggested, still the same.  What's very 
interesting (and might help figuring this out?) is that it happens after 
a cold start but stops if I do a warm reset.  This was with a game 
cartridge.

~telengard
> I have seen similar symptoms with loose memory chip contacts, and gime 
> contacts.  Even though the machine is new, 25 years new! ha ha ha  I 
> would re seat all of the socked chips, and to an eraser job on the 
> motherboard rom-pak contacts.
>
> Tim
>
> Brian Sturk wrote:
>> Robert Gault wrote:
>>> Brian Sturk wrote:
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> I have a very good condition Coco 3 (bought sealed new, used a few 
>>>> times) and I just recently started using the cart port/bus.  I've 
>>>> used cartridge games and the SVD virtual disk drive device and when 
>>>> using them the video output gets very garbly.  Any ideas on what it 
>>>> might be?  At first I thought it was the SVD but it happens with 
>>>> the games also.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully a kind coco hw guru will have some ideas.   :) I'm going 
>>>> to go poke around looking for schematics and a way to search the 
>>>> mailing list archives.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> ~telengard
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which video output do you mean? There are three video outputs on a 
>>> Coco3, RF (red RCA jack), Video (white RCA jack), and RGB (9-pin on 
>>> the bottom of the case.
>>>
>>> For any of these, the quality of the cable (poor shielding) might be 
>>> a problem. If using the RF jack, make sure the slide switch (CH) is 
>>> selecting an unused channel in your area. For the composite or RGB, 
>>> I can't think of any reason why a cartridge should interfere with 
>>> the video signal.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Sorry for not being more specific.  I'm using the composite video out 
>> to a 1702 monitor.  I'll try a better cable, good idea.  The 
>> interference only seems to happen when the cart port is being used 
>> and after.  If I just boot up the coco w/ something plugged in it 
>> stays fine.  And it seems like something bad coming out of the coco.
>> Interference from a magnetic field has a certain look and this seems 
>> more like something else.  On a black screen I can see hints of 
>> orange and blue.  It's almost like random repainting of the screen 
>> *and* the magnetic field effect.  Definitely weird.
>>
>> thanks for the help, I'll report back,
>> ~telengard
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


-- 
.------------------------------------------------,------.
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|-------------------------. bsturk%comcast.net | Python |(  _ _)/ /-."~
| http://www.telengard.com `--------------------`-------| `( )_ )/
| Telengard Technologies Inc - Win32/UNIX programming   |_<_s_<_s
`-------------------------------------------------------'



From bsturk at comcast.net  Fri Feb 20 19:21:12 2009
From: bsturk at comcast.net (Brian Sturk)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
In-Reply-To: <499F8E0A.80204@worldnet.att.net>
References: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net>
	<499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>	<499F771F.6070309@comcast.net>
	<499F8E0A.80204@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <499F48F8.2040000@comcast.net>

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the ideas.  The fringing seems to be on a 40 columns.
I sent an email out a little while ago thinking a warm reset helps but 
not it's not exhibiting the issue anymore.  I wonder if it's thermal 
related (i.e. being on for a certain amount of time?).

I'll try and narrow something down...

~telengard
> Brian Sturk wrote:
>
>>   On a black screen I can see hints of orange and blue.  It's almost 
>> like random repainting of the screen *and* the magnetic field 
>> effect.  Definitely weird.
>>
>> thanks for the help, I'll report back,
>> ~telengard
>>
>
> As Tim suggested, re-seating all socketed chips is a good idea even if 
> it does not help with this problem. Tandy did not use gold plated 
> contacts so a fresh surface can't hurt and could help.
>
> The orange and blue, is that fringing around text with a 40 or 80 
> column screen? If so, it is artifact colors typical of composite 
> video. Some screen colors will make the effect worse than others. 
> There is only one way to get rid of it completely and that is by 
> patching Basic.
> If this is the source of your colors, I'd suggest using a 40 column 
> screen with a white background and black letters. Enter
> WIDTH40
> CLS5
>
> If the orange and blue is artifacts and you get a disk system to make 
> it easy to SAVE and RUN programs, the following will turn off the 
> color burst signal and remove artifacts.
>
> 10 POKE&HE033,16:REM width 32 screen
> 20 POKE&HE03C,19:REM width 40 screen
> 30 POKE&HE045,19:REM width 80 screen
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


-- 
.------------------------------------------------,------.
| Brian Sturk - http://home.comcast.net/~bsturk / C/C++ | .>   )\,^a__
|-------------------------. bsturk%comcast.net | Python |(  _ _)/ /-."~
| http://www.telengard.com `--------------------`-------| `( )_ )/
| Telengard Technologies Inc - Win32/UNIX programming   |_<_s_<_s
`-------------------------------------------------------'



From operator at coco3.com  Sat Feb 21 00:38:15 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:38:15 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090221053834.5878120A14@qs281.pair.com>

At 05:53 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote:
>Roger Taylor wrote:
>>Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has 
>>the side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....
>>
>>Read on...
>>
>>The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace 
>>itself with an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not 
>>CoCoNet, it starts up like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live ROM Pak.
>> From your PC you tell the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - CoCoNet, 
>> a game pak, utility pak, embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, the 
>> cartridge's EPROM already contains a version of CoCoNet that continues to boot.
>>
>>This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I 
>>can't wait to see all this go wireless.
>>
>>Wireless virtual disks
>>Wireless ROM Paks
>>Wireless HTTP requests
>This sounds so excellent!  I'm using an SVD right now but supporting 
>the game paks would convince me to purchase one.  Now to find a way 
>to xvfer tape images without the recorder.   ;)
>
>~telengard


More good news:

The CoCoNet server will be rewritten in the coming days.  I need to 
use whichever language is more portable so I can bring support to the 
Mac users and any others as well.  My own choices are Visual C++, 
Visual C#, and Visual Basic.  I am no longer going to use HLA for 
authoring the CoCoNet server app.

A simple initial test in Visual Basic worked great when I simply 
opened the COM port associated with the CoCo's wireless pak, wrote a 
string to the port, and it appeared on the CoCo screen screen 
immediately (Ultimaterm 4.1).  The CoCo is stuck back in 1988 and 
thinks it's using a real Tandy pak.  :)

-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From lamune at doki-doki.net  Sat Feb 21 00:55:26 2009
From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:55:26 -0800
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
In-Reply-To: <499F48F8.2040000@comcast.net>
References: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net><499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>	<499F771F.6070309@comcast.net><499F8E0A.80204@worldnet.att.net>
	<499F48F8.2040000@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CF6@fenestra.lamunet.local>

I would also suggest using one of the other outputs to see if the
problem follows the CoCo or is specific to that particular monitor.

1702's are pretty vintage these days.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sturk
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:21 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart
> port
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> Thanks for the ideas.  The fringing seems to be on a 40 columns.
> I sent an email out a little while ago thinking a warm reset helps but
> not it's not exhibiting the issue anymore.  I wonder if it's thermal
> related (i.e. being on for a certain amount of time?).
> 
> I'll try and narrow something down...
> 
> ~telengard
> > Brian Sturk wrote:
> >
> >>   On a black screen I can see hints of orange and blue.  It's
almost
> >> like random repainting of the screen *and* the magnetic field
> >> effect.  Definitely weird.
> >>
> >> thanks for the help, I'll report back,
> >> ~telengard
> >>
> >
> > As Tim suggested, re-seating all socketed chips is a good idea even
> if
> > it does not help with this problem. Tandy did not use gold plated
> > contacts so a fresh surface can't hurt and could help.
> >
> > The orange and blue, is that fringing around text with a 40 or 80
> > column screen? If so, it is artifact colors typical of composite
> > video. Some screen colors will make the effect worse than others.
> > There is only one way to get rid of it completely and that is by
> > patching Basic.
> > If this is the source of your colors, I'd suggest using a 40 column
> > screen with a white background and black letters. Enter
> > WIDTH40
> > CLS5
> >
> > If the orange and blue is artifacts and you get a disk system to
make
> > it easy to SAVE and RUN programs, the following will turn off the
> > color burst signal and remove artifacts.
> >
> > 10 POKE&HE033,16:REM width 32 screen
> > 20 POKE&HE03C,19:REM width 40 screen
> > 30 POKE&HE045,19:REM width 80 screen
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 
> 
> --
> .------------------------------------------------,------.
> | Brian Sturk - http://home.comcast.net/~bsturk / C/C++ | .>   )\,^a__
> |-------------------------. bsturk%comcast.net | Python |(  _ _)/
/-."~
> | http://www.telengard.com `--------------------`-------| `( )_ )/
> | Telengard Technologies Inc - Win32/UNIX programming   |_<_s_<_s
> `-------------------------------------------------------'
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Feb 21 06:47:15 2009
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [HW] Coco 3 video output corrupt when using cart port
In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CF6@fenestra.lamunet.local>
References: <499F43E1.5040505@comcast.net><499F4E07.4070800@worldnet.att.net>	<499F771F.6070309@comcast.net><499F8E0A.80204@worldnet.att.net>	<499F48F8.2040000@comcast.net>
	<4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058CF6@fenestra.lamunet.local>
Message-ID: <499FE9C3.5080709@worldnet.att.net>

Mike Pepe wrote:
> I would also suggest using one of the other outputs to see if the
> problem follows the CoCo or is specific to that particular monitor.
> 
> 1702's are pretty vintage these days.
> 

Or just leave the monitor on for an hour with the Coco3 off. Then turn 
on the Coco3 and see if the problem is still present.


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sat Feb 21 08:14:00 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:14:00 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] need help to verify pages missing in
	rainbow december 1990 please
Message-ID: <gnoumo+3pnh@eGroups.com>

can someone please open up their copy of december 1990 rainbow

turn to page 20 you will see a program called "wormy"

there seems to be either pages missing in my magazine or a print error

on the next page should be an advert for own ware with a picture of a
truck a van and a wheel barrow

next page should be another owl ware page with "proven" in big letters
up top

next page is another own ware advert with "technology" in big letters
up top

next page says "wishing well" and down bottom says page 28

i need to know if this is correct before i upload the pdf

if it is not, i will need a high quality done of the missing pages
emailed to me so i can add them to the pdf

the scans can be in jpeg taken at 300 dpi full colour please.

thanks



From skwirl42 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 09:28:31 2009
From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:28:31 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090221053834.5878120A14@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>
	<499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>
	<20090221053834.5878120A14@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4c56cbd30902210628k169c0645rf8646be7606cae87@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/21/09, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:

>  The CoCoNet server will be rewritten in the coming days.  I need to use
> whichever language is more portable so I can bring support to the Mac users
> and any others as well.  My own choices are Visual C++, Visual C#, and
> Visual Basic.  I am no longer going to use HLA for authoring the CoCoNet
> server app.

Then C++ is your best bet. While there is a C# environment, it
requires a lot of complicated setup. Visual Basic is limited to
support inside of Office applications.

When you (or someone else) does the Mac port, the UI could be done in
Objective-C/Cocoa, for ease of implementation. That doesn't affect the
back-end code, so no need to worry about that. As long as you keep the
actual server part as separate from the UI as possible, and
Windows-specific features used as little as possible in the server
code, it shouldn't be difficult to port.

-- 
James Dessart
<http://skwirl.com/cody/>


From jcewy at swbell.net  Sat Feb 21 10:09:50 2009
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:09:50 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCoNet status
In-Reply-To: <20090221053834.5878120A14@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20090209234532.581C720A13@qs281.pair.com>	<499F428B.3020505@comcast.net>
	<20090221053834.5878120A14@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <49A0193E.2080901@swbell.net>

I'm sure you're aware that if you aren't careful, anything with the word
"Visual" in front is going to try to suck you into the M-Soft honeypot,
and then there goes your portability.  Keep it modular and segregate
anything proprietary.

JCE

Roger Taylor wrote:
> At 05:53 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote:
>> Roger Taylor wrote:
>>> Hey guys, CoCoNet just gained the auto-update feature!  It also has
>>> the side effect of allowing Virtual Game Paks....
>>>
>>> Read on...
>>>
>>> The very top of the CoCoNet ROM has code that tries to replace
>>> itself with an updated .rom file (on your PC).  If the .rom is not
>>> CoCoNet, it starts up like a game pak.  So, CoCoNet is also a Live
>>> ROM Pak.
>>> From your PC you tell the CoCo what ROM to boot up with - CoCoNet, a
>>> game pak, utility pak, embedded pak, etc.  Otherwise, the
>>> cartridge's EPROM already contains a version of CoCoNet that
>>> continues to boot.
>>>
>>> This is over the bitbanger cable, and it's still very cool.  I can't
>>> wait to see all this go wireless.
>>>
>>> Wireless virtual disks
>>> Wireless ROM Paks
>>> Wireless HTTP requests
>> This sounds so excellent!  I'm using an SVD right now but supporting
>> the game paks would convince me to purchase one.  Now to find a way
>> to xvfer tape images without the recorder.   ;)
>>
>> ~telengard
>
>
> More good news:
>
> The CoCoNet server will be rewritten in the coming days.  I need to
> use whichever language is more portable so I can bring support to the
> Mac users and any others as well.  My own choices are Visual C++,
> Visual C#, and Visual Basic.  I am no longer going to use HLA for
> authoring the CoCoNet server app.
>
> A simple initial test in Visual Basic worked great when I simply
> opened the COM port associated with the CoCo's wireless pak, wrote a
> string to the port, and it appeared on the CoCo screen screen
> immediately (Ultimaterm 4.1).  The CoCo is stuck back in 1988 and
> thinks it's using a real Tandy pak.  :)
>



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Sat Feb 21 08:26:42 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:26:42 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rescanning rainbow 1990
In-Reply-To: <gnlor1+pr3n@eGroups.com>
References: <gnlor1+pr3n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c99428$0c321020$24963060$@rr.com>

The on thing I hate about RapidShare. My ISP "blinked", breaking connection,
and now I'm getting this error:

Error

You have reached the download limit for free-users. Would you like more?

Get your own premium account now! Instant download access! Or try again in
about 14 minutes.

Please, I beg of you, find somewhere other than RapidShare to put them. You
can even use my server.

 

From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of stinger30au
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:15 AM
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Color Computer] rescanning rainbow 1990


http://rapidshare.com/users/ZAGEK8





From cocomongrel at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 10:55:07 2009
From: cocomongrel at gmail.com (cocomongrel)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:55:07 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: need help to verify pages missing in
	rainbow december 1990 please
In-Reply-To: <gnoumo+3pnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnp84r+cp4f@eGroups.com>

It looks like you got "the expurgated version."  :-)  You are missing
Dale Puckett's KISSable OS-9 column.  That month is "Legends of the C"
which talks about Microware's OS-9 C compiler.  pp. 21-24.  If I find
a little time to squeeze it in, I'll scan those pages for you.

cocomongrel

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" <stinger30au at ...>
wrote:
>
> can someone please open up their copy of december 1990 rainbow
> 
> turn to page 20 you will see a program called "wormy"
> 
> there seems to be either pages missing in my magazine or a print error
> 
> on the next page should be an advert for own ware with a picture of a
> truck a van and a wheel barrow
> 
> next page should be another owl ware page with "proven" in big letters
> up top
> 
> next page is another own ware advert with "technology" in big letters
> up top
> 
> next page says "wishing well" and down bottom says page 28
> 
> i need to know if this is correct before i upload the pdf
> 
> if it is not, i will need a high quality done of the missing pages
> emailed to me so i can add them to the pdf
> 
> the scans can be in jpeg taken at 300 dpi full colour please.
> 
> thanks
>




From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net  Sat Feb 21 12:33:54 2009
From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:33:54 -0800
Subject: [Coco]
 =?windows-1252?q?The_Glenside_18th_Annual_=93Last=94_Chica?=
 =?windows-1252?q?go_CoCoFEST!?=
In-Reply-To: <499F7626.8050104@sbcglobal.net>
References: <499F7626.8050104@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49A03B02.1030901@bjork-huffman.net>

The new Glenside website is www.GlensideCCC.com, not 
http://ncmedals.com/glenside/.

Steve

Brian Goers wrote:
> Forwarding the message didn't work the way I thought. Here is the 
> message from Bob Swoger.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>
> The Glenside 18^th Annual ?Last? Chicago CoCoFEST! Is Saturday & 
> Sunday, March 28 & 29. See our web site at http://ncmedals.com/glenside/
>
> If you plan to attend and your name is not yet on the Marquee of the 
> Glenside web site, please contact Bob at rswoger at aol.com 
> <mailto:rswoger at aol.com> as your name there encourages others to also 
> attend.
>
>
>
> If you have not already received our newsletter and wish to receive 
> it, please send your name and email address to Bob at the email 
> address above. We hope to see you at CoCoFEST!
>



From os9dude at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 12:40:30 2009
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:40:30 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rescanning rainbow 1990
In-Reply-To: <00a901c99428$0c321020$24963060$@rr.com>
References: <gnlor1+pr3n@eGroups.com> <00a901c99428$0c321020$24963060$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580902210940p3258347aqccf3a2f3071a0363@mail.gmail.com>

It is just the way Rapidshare works with the free access accounts.

My $0.02 are that Rapidshare works fine as is for the sharing of files. The
CoCo files are not going to dissapear into thin air, download them one at a
time... wait for those 14 minutes: while you read one the queue time will
pass for the next one to be ready.



-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> The on thing I hate about RapidShare. My ISP "blinked", breaking
> connection,
> and now I'm getting this error:
>
> Error
>
> You have reached the download limit for free-users. Would you like more?
>
> Get your own premium account now! Instant download access! Or try again in
> about 14 minutes.
>
> Please, I beg of you, find somewhere other than RapidShare to put them. You
> can even use my server.


From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sat Feb 21 18:21:42 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:21:42 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: need help to verify pages missing in
	rainbow december 1990 please
In-Reply-To: <gnp84r+cp4f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnq2a6+45nk@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "cocomongrel" <cocomongrel at ...>
wrote:
>
> It looks like you got "the expurgated version."  :-)  You are missing
> Dale Puckett's KISSable OS-9 column.  That month is "Legends of the C"
> which talks about Microware's OS-9 C compiler.  pp. 21-24.  If I find
> a little time to squeeze it in, I'll scan those pages for you.
> 
> cocomongrel
> 

sweet, just email it to me yahoo account. please make sure it is a
jpeg file and you may have to wind up the brightness/contrast to blow
away the background and make the page appear white when you do a full
colour scan 



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sun Feb 22 00:25:10 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 05:25:10 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] december 1991 almost finished
Message-ID: <gnqnjm+mq2j@eGroups.com>

just to keep you informed with where im at with december 1990 i have
had 4 missing pages scanned and sent to me from cocomongrel and i
added theose no worries and i have now found 2 extra missing pages
near the end of the book.
i have emailed cocomongrel and have asked if its possible to check the
missing pages and scan them and email them to me and i can finish the
book off

wow, a real effort this, but it will be worth it in the long run

please bear with us, its almost finished

looks like i was ripped off after all these years and have got 6 pages
missing out of my book... oh well... will be worth it when the pdf is
completed



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sun Feb 22 00:25:42 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 05:25:42 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] december 1990 almost finsihed
Message-ID: <gnqnkm+phgj@eGroups.com>

just to keep you informed with where im at with december 1990 i have
had 4 missing pages scanned and sent to me from cocomongrel and i
added theose no worries and i have now found 2 extra missing pages
near the end of the book.
i have emailed cocomongrel and have asked if its possible to check the
missing pages and scan them and email them to me and i can finish the
book off

wow, a real effort this, but it will be worth it in the long run

please bear with us, its almost finished

looks like i was ripped off after all these years and have got 6 pages
missing out of my book... oh well... will be worth it when the pdf is
completed



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Sun Feb 22 05:58:52 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:58:52 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] tip for replacement feed rollers in adf for
	hp scanjet 6300c
Message-ID: <gnrb5c+5e3v@eGroups.com>

a week or two ago i was fortunate enough to get a hp scanjet with adf
given to me for the price of shipping alone

when it arrived i cleaned it and found the feed rollers for the adf
were in reasonable shape and they looked similar to feed rolers used
in lexmark laser printers

upon closer inspection as i happen to have a few spare new feed
rollers for lexmark laser printers in my handy tool kit i found that
the rollers are just about the same, if not exactly the same

just thought i would pass it along incase anyone else has one of these
units



From t.fadden at cox.net  Sun Feb 22 16:42:42 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:42:42 -0700
Subject: [Coco] 1992 December Rainbow
Message-ID: <49A1C6D2.6060401@cox.net>

I uploaded another issue of Rainbow to excalibur for your viewing pleasure.

Tim


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Sun Feb 22 16:56:01 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:56:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] 1992 December Rainbow
In-Reply-To: <49A1C6D2.6060401@cox.net>
References: <49A1C6D2.6060401@cox.net>
Message-ID: <012b01c99538$5a1e4450$0e5accf0$@rr.com>

Without sounding rude, where?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:43 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: [Coco] 1992 December Rainbow
> 
> I uploaded another issue of Rainbow to excalibur for your viewing
> pleasure.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From t.fadden at cox.net  Sun Feb 22 17:36:49 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:36:49 -0700
Subject: [Coco] 1992 December Rainbow
In-Reply-To: <012b01c99538$5a1e4450$0e5accf0$@rr.com>
References: <49A1C6D2.6060401@cox.net> <012b01c99538$5a1e4450$0e5accf0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49A1D381.2060309@cox.net>

Without sounding rude, is this your first time on the list?

Everything goes to incoming until the owner moves it to its respective 
directory.  I have no control over that.
I didn't put any details on it because it has been stated many times for 
two or three months.  Its like this.
 
Everything that gets uploaded to ftp://excalibur1.net  goes to the 
incoming directory by default, and no other options.

Eventually the owner of excalibur moves the files to their appropriate 
directory which you will find at:

http://excalibur1.net/coco/

Tim :-)



Bill wrote:
> Without sounding rude, where?
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden
>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:43 PM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: [Coco] 1992 December Rainbow
>>
>> I uploaded another issue of Rainbow to excalibur for your viewing
>> pleasure.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>     
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>   



From rbihler at msn.com  Sun Feb 22 18:01:16 2009
From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:01:16 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP88A0DD220BA7F9297B4B59AFB10@phx.gbl>

I am working on an Old SWTPC 6809 S09 system running Flex (Hopefully)

The system was working, but I didn't get the floppy drives and can't 
seem to get the drives I have to read the diskettes.  Not sure what the 
issue is, good possibility it's something not set correctly.  However I 
had this thought that the Coco can run a version of flex and might be 
able to verify the diskettes or even copy a new set. 
Back to the same issue, how to get Flex disk.  I am assuming the Boot 
disk is RSDOS, but it would need to load Flex format disks. 

Anyway my real goal is to find a way to read/write a flex diskette.  I 
want to see if I can even read the boot disk's I have.

I am hoping to make the disk on a PC or linux would be fine as well.  
Will need to pull out the L-Box. 

Anyone have any experience running Flex and the floppy system, know more 
about it>?

Any assistance or suggestions are welcomed.

Ron



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 18:18:45 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:18:45 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
References: <BLU0-SMTP88A0DD220BA7F9297B4B59AFB10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01c99543$eb3f2020$0701a8c0@master>

Ron,

I have the FLEX disks here, and I believe I have images too.
One problem I found was that FLEX does not run on a Coco3. I've also tried 
without success to run the image in an emulator, but even in the MESS coco2 
emulator, it hangs at the time & date input prompt. I have not tried Jeff 
Vavasour's coco2 emulator.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:01 AM
Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex


>I am working on an Old SWTPC 6809 S09 system running Flex (Hopefully)
>
> The system was working, but I didn't get the floppy drives and can't seem 
> to get the drives I have to read the diskettes.  Not sure what the issue 
> is, good possibility it's something not set correctly.  However I had this 
> thought that the Coco can run a version of flex and might be able to 
> verify the diskettes or even copy a new set. Back to the same issue, how 
> to get Flex disk.  I am assuming the Boot disk is RSDOS, but it would need 
> to load Flex format disks.
> Anyway my real goal is to find a way to read/write a flex diskette.  I 
> want to see if I can even read the boot disk's I have.
>
> I am hoping to make the disk on a PC or linux would be fine as well.  Will 
> need to pull out the L-Box.
> Anyone have any experience running Flex and the floppy system, know more 
> about it>?
>
> Any assistance or suggestions are welcomed.
>
> Ron
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From rbihler at msn.com  Sun Feb 22 19:15:50 2009
From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:15:50 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
In-Reply-To: <001f01c99543$eb3f2020$0701a8c0@master>
References: <BLU0-SMTP88A0DD220BA7F9297B4B59AFB10@phx.gbl>
	<001f01c99543$eb3f2020$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP848D251E6B3CA9627D7603AFAE0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Bob.
Humm, I only have a Coco 3 so that option is out.  It was worth a try :)

Do you know if the dsk images can be coped to a real disk?  There must 
be a utility that create Flex diskettes ?


Ron

Bob Devries wrote:
> Ron,
>
> I have the FLEX disks here, and I believe I have images too.
> One problem I found was that FLEX does not run on a Coco3. I've also 
> tried without success to run the image in an emulator, but even in the 
> MESS coco2 emulator, it hangs at the time & date input prompt. I have 
> not tried Jeff Vavasour's coco2 emulator.
>
> -- 
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:01 AM
> Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
>
>
>> I am working on an Old SWTPC 6809 S09 system running Flex (Hopefully)
>>
>> The system was working, but I didn't get the floppy drives and can't 
>> seem to get the drives I have to read the diskettes.  Not sure what 
>> the issue is, good possibility it's something not set correctly.  
>> However I had this thought that the Coco can run a version of flex 
>> and might be able to verify the diskettes or even copy a new set. 
>> Back to the same issue, how to get Flex disk.  I am assuming the Boot 
>> disk is RSDOS, but it would need to load Flex format disks.
>> Anyway my real goal is to find a way to read/write a flex diskette.  
>> I want to see if I can even read the boot disk's I have.
>>
>> I am hoping to make the disk on a PC or linux would be fine as well.  
>> Will need to pull out the L-Box.
>> Anyone have any experience running Flex and the floppy system, know 
>> more about it>?
>>
>> Any assistance or suggestions are welcomed.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Sun Feb 22 19:20:50 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:20:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] 1992 December Rainbow
In-Reply-To: <49A1D381.2060309@cox.net>
References: <49A1C6D2.6060401@cox.net> <012b01c99538$5a1e4450$0e5accf0$@rr.com>
	<49A1D381.2060309@cox.net>
Message-ID: <012c01c9954c$953b3bb0$bfb1b310$@rr.com>

You gotta look over me, I'm kinda brain dead and haven't read the previous
messages.

Thanks..

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:37 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] 1992 December Rainbow
> 
> Without sounding rude, is this your first time on the list?
> 
> Everything goes to incoming until the owner moves it to its respective
> directory.  I have no control over that.
> I didn't put any details on it because it has been stated many times
> for
> two or three months.  Its like this.



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 19:39:28 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:39:28 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
References: <BLU0-SMTP88A0DD220BA7F9297B4B59AFB10@phx.gbl><001f01c99543$eb3f2020$0701a8c0@master>
	<BLU0-SMTP848D251E6B3CA9627D7603AFAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003d01c9954f$31d0eae0$0701a8c0@master>

Ron,

As far as I know Coco FLEX used the Colour Computer disk format (35 tracks, 
18 SPT, 1 side), so if you're talking about thos images, then yes they 
should be able to be copied to real disks. However, I don't know what format 
the other computers, such as the SWPTE used.

Some OS's in that era used single density for either track 0 or all tracks, 
and the number of SPT may vary also.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Flex


> Thanks Bob.
> Humm, I only have a Coco 3 so that option is out.  It was worth a try :)
>
> Do you know if the dsk images can be coped to a real disk?  There must be 
> a utility that create Flex diskettes ?
>
>
> Ron
>
> Bob Devries wrote:
>> Ron,
>>
>> I have the FLEX disks here, and I believe I have images too.
>> One problem I found was that FLEX does not run on a Coco3. I've also 
>> tried without success to run the image in an emulator, but even in the 
>> MESS coco2 emulator, it hangs at the time & date input prompt. I have not 
>> tried Jeff Vavasour's coco2 emulator.
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>
>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:01 AM
>> Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
>>
>>
>>> I am working on an Old SWTPC 6809 S09 system running Flex (Hopefully)
>>>
>>> The system was working, but I didn't get the floppy drives and can't 
>>> seem to get the drives I have to read the diskettes.  Not sure what the 
>>> issue is, good possibility it's something not set correctly.  However I 
>>> had this thought that the Coco can run a version of flex and might be 
>>> able to verify the diskettes or even copy a new set. Back to the same 
>>> issue, how to get Flex disk.  I am assuming the Boot disk is RSDOS, but 
>>> it would need to load Flex format disks.
>>> Anyway my real goal is to find a way to read/write a flex diskette.  I 
>>> want to see if I can even read the boot disk's I have.
>>>
>>> I am hoping to make the disk on a PC or linux would be fine as well. 
>>> Will need to pull out the L-Box.
>>> Anyone have any experience running Flex and the floppy system, know more 
>>> about it>?
>>>
>>> Any assistance or suggestions are welcomed.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From rbihler at msn.com  Sun Feb 22 19:53:59 2009
From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:53:59 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
In-Reply-To: <003d01c9954f$31d0eae0$0701a8c0@master>
References: <BLU0-SMTP88A0DD220BA7F9297B4B59AFB10@phx.gbl><001f01c99543$eb3f2020$0701a8c0@master>	<BLU0-SMTP848D251E6B3CA9627D7603AFAE0@phx.gbl>
	<003d01c9954f$31d0eae0$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP6494758069BDDAB064D041AFAE0@phx.gbl>

You are on track as it may be, Track O was single sided and might have 
been single density as well.  This allowed the computer to read the disk 
and then know what format the rest of the disk was formated in. 
I guess what really is different between the formats is the disk 
layout.  You are bringing up a good point and it should be possible to 
take the dsk images and just plop them on a disk.  I am not sure what 
the trk 0 thing will do. 

Do you know of a good util to write the dsk images to floppy?  I am 
tempted to try Cocodisk !

Thanks
Ron

Bob Devries wrote:
> Ron,
>
> As far as I know Coco FLEX used the Colour Computer disk format (35 
> tracks, 18 SPT, 1 side), so if you're talking about thos images, then 
> yes they should be able to be copied to real disks. However, I don't 
> know what format the other computers, such as the SWPTE used.
>
> Some OS's in that era used single density for either track 0 or all 
> tracks, and the number of SPT may vary also.
>
> -- 
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Flex
>
>
>> Thanks Bob.
>> Humm, I only have a Coco 3 so that option is out.  It was worth a try :)
>>
>> Do you know if the dsk images can be coped to a real disk?  There 
>> must be a utility that create Flex diskettes ?
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Bob Devries wrote:
>>> Ron,
>>>
>>> I have the FLEX disks here, and I believe I have images too.
>>> One problem I found was that FLEX does not run on a Coco3. I've also 
>>> tried without success to run the image in an emulator, but even in 
>>> the MESS coco2 emulator, it hangs at the time & date input prompt. I 
>>> have not tried Jeff Vavasour's coco2 emulator.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>>
>>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>>
>>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:01 AM
>>> Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am working on an Old SWTPC 6809 S09 system running Flex (Hopefully)
>>>>
>>>> The system was working, but I didn't get the floppy drives and 
>>>> can't seem to get the drives I have to read the diskettes.  Not 
>>>> sure what the issue is, good possibility it's something not set 
>>>> correctly.  However I had this thought that the Coco can run a 
>>>> version of flex and might be able to verify the diskettes or even 
>>>> copy a new set. Back to the same issue, how to get Flex disk.  I am 
>>>> assuming the Boot disk is RSDOS, but it would need to load Flex 
>>>> format disks.
>>>> Anyway my real goal is to find a way to read/write a flex 
>>>> diskette.  I want to see if I can even read the boot disk's I have.
>>>>
>>>> I am hoping to make the disk on a PC or linux would be fine as 
>>>> well. Will need to pull out the L-Box.
>>>> Anyone have any experience running Flex and the floppy system, know 
>>>> more about it>?
>>>>
>>>> Any assistance or suggestions are welcomed.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 20:04:10 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:04:10 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
References: <BLU0-SMTP88A0DD220BA7F9297B4B59AFB10@phx.gbl><001f01c99543$eb3f2020$0701a8c0@master>	<BLU0-SMTP848D251E6B3CA9627D7603AFAE0@phx.gbl><003d01c9954f$31d0eae0$0701a8c0@master>
	<BLU0-SMTP6494758069BDDAB064D041AFAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004801c99552$a4ec8270$0701a8c0@master>

Ron,
I have used OmniFlop with some success.
http://www.shlock.co.uk/Utils/OmniFlop

Although the website says Acorn BBC, it does read and write a variety of 
disk formats, including Colour Computer.


--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Flex


> You are on track as it may be, Track O was single sided and might have 
> been single density as well.  This allowed the computer to read the disk 
> and then know what format the rest of the disk was formated in. I guess 
> what really is different between the formats is the disk layout.  You are 
> bringing up a good point and it should be possible to take the dsk images 
> and just plop them on a disk.  I am not sure what the trk 0 thing will do.
> Do you know of a good util to write the dsk images to floppy?  I am 
> tempted to try Cocodisk !
>
> Thanks
> Ron
>
> Bob Devries wrote:
>> Ron,
>>
>> As far as I know Coco FLEX used the Colour Computer disk format (35 
>> tracks, 18 SPT, 1 side), so if you're talking about thos images, then yes 
>> they should be able to be copied to real disks. However, I don't know 
>> what format the other computers, such as the SWPTE used.
>>
>> Some OS's in that era used single density for either track 0 or all 
>> tracks, and the number of SPT may vary also.
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>
>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Flex
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Bob.
>>> Humm, I only have a Coco 3 so that option is out.  It was worth a try :)
>>>
>>> Do you know if the dsk images can be coped to a real disk?  There must 
>>> be a utility that create Flex diskettes ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> Bob Devries wrote:
>>>> Ron,
>>>>
>>>> I have the FLEX disks here, and I believe I have images too.
>>>> One problem I found was that FLEX does not run on a Coco3. I've also 
>>>> tried without success to run the image in an emulator, but even in the 
>>>> MESS coco2 emulator, it hangs at the time & date input prompt. I have 
>>>> not tried Jeff Vavasour's coco2 emulator.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>>>
>>>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>>>
>>>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>>>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:01 AM
>>>> Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am working on an Old SWTPC 6809 S09 system running Flex (Hopefully)
>>>>>
>>>>> The system was working, but I didn't get the floppy drives and can't 
>>>>> seem to get the drives I have to read the diskettes.  Not sure what 
>>>>> the issue is, good possibility it's something not set correctly. 
>>>>> However I had this thought that the Coco can run a version of flex and 
>>>>> might be able to verify the diskettes or even copy a new set. Back to 
>>>>> the same issue, how to get Flex disk.  I am assuming the Boot disk is 
>>>>> RSDOS, but it would need to load Flex format disks.
>>>>> Anyway my real goal is to find a way to read/write a flex diskette.  I 
>>>>> want to see if I can even read the boot disk's I have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am hoping to make the disk on a PC or linux would be fine as well. 
>>>>> Will need to pull out the L-Box.
>>>>> Anyone have any experience running Flex and the floppy system, know 
>>>>> more about it>?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any assistance or suggestions are welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 23:59:49 2009
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:59:49 -0600
Subject: [Coco] 1992 December Rainbow
References: <49A1C6D2.6060401@cox.net> <012b01c99538$5a1e4450$0e5accf0$@rr.com>
	<49A1D381.2060309@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001401c99573$8f0336e0$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE>

Tim,
 Thank you for your work. It is a good base of software and documents.
 However,  I too was lost about where the downloads were. I neglected to 
bookmark the page.
 I now have it bookmarked so I won't wonder where it is.
 Whenever I make mention of my Coco pages, I always provide a link in my 
message so anyone can just click on it and go there. Perhaps you could do 
the same.

 An example would be my Coco CNC stuff ( http://coco.thetinbox.com/ )

  I would not assume anyone would bookmark this so I include it when I make 
mention of it.

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Fadden"

> Without sounding rude, is this your first time on the list?
>
> Everything goes to incoming until the owner moves it to its respective 
> directory.  I have no control over that.
> I didn't put any details on it because it has been stated many times for 
> two or three months.  Its like this.
>
> Everything that gets uploaded to ftp://excalibur1.net  goes to the 
> incoming directory by default, and no other options.
>
> Eventually the owner of excalibur moves the files to their appropriate 
> directory which you will find at:
>
> http://excalibur1.net/coco/
>
> Tim :-)
>



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 01:20:02 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Software
Message-ID: <014e01c9957e$c366c540$4a344fc0$@rr.com>

If anyone has any CoCo software they can spare, I'd sure appreciate a
donation. I've found a kind lady who is helping get me started back into
"Cocoland", but there is only so much she can do.

Anyone who has "stuff" they can/will give away, I'd appreciate it. Hardware
(MPI, Disk controller, RS232 Pak, cables), software (Edtasm+, VIP library,
Ultimaterm, any of the OS9 stuff), and all the books and cables I can get.

I thank you now in advance for anything you can do, and I give you my word
that it WILL NOT end up on eBay.

Thanks..

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From devries.bob at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 02:18:58 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:18:58 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
References: <BLU0-SMTP88A0DD220BA7F9297B4B59AFB10@phx.gbl><001f01c99543$eb3f2020$0701a8c0@master>	<BLU0-SMTP848D251E6B3CA9627D7603AFAE0@phx.gbl><003d01c9954f$31d0eae0$0701a8c0@master>
	<BLU0-SMTP6494758069BDDAB064D041AFAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006901c99587$00e8cc30$0701a8c0@master>

Ron,
more on the FLEX format:

Looking at the file size ($26400 / 156672 Dec), it seems to me that this 
format is only 34 tracks of 18 sectors of 256 bytes. What we need to create 
a real disk from that image is a way to either (a) format track 0 as single 
density, and/or (b) start copying the image file starting at track 1.

I'm not sure if OmniFlop can handle that.

Does anyone know of any other hardware that uses this odd format (besides 
other flavours of OS-9)?

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Flex


> You are on track as it may be, Track O was single sided and might have 
> been single density as well.  This allowed the computer to read the disk 
> and then know what format the rest of the disk was formated in. I guess 
> what really is different between the formats is the disk layout.  You are 
> bringing up a good point and it should be possible to take the dsk images 
> and just plop them on a disk.  I am not sure what the trk 0 thing will do.
> Do you know of a good util to write the dsk images to floppy?  I am 
> tempted to try Cocodisk !
>
> Thanks
> Ron
>
> Bob Devries wrote:
>> Ron,
>>
>> As far as I know Coco FLEX used the Colour Computer disk format (35 
>> tracks, 18 SPT, 1 side), so if you're talking about thos images, then yes 
>> they should be able to be copied to real disks. However, I don't know 
>> what format the other computers, such as the SWPTE used.
>>
>> Some OS's in that era used single density for either track 0 or all 
>> tracks, and the number of SPT may vary also.
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>
>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Flex
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Bob.
>>> Humm, I only have a Coco 3 so that option is out.  It was worth a try :)
>>>
>>> Do you know if the dsk images can be coped to a real disk?  There must 
>>> be a utility that create Flex diskettes ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> Bob Devries wrote:
>>>> Ron,
>>>>
>>>> I have the FLEX disks here, and I believe I have images too.
>>>> One problem I found was that FLEX does not run on a Coco3. I've also 
>>>> tried without success to run the image in an emulator, but even in the 
>>>> MESS coco2 emulator, it hangs at the time & date input prompt. I have 
>>>> not tried Jeff Vavasour's coco2 emulator.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>>>
>>>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>>>
>>>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>>>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" <rbihler at msn.com>
>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:01 AM
>>>> Subject: [Coco] Coco Flex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am working on an Old SWTPC 6809 S09 system running Flex (Hopefully)
>>>>>
>>>>> The system was working, but I didn't get the floppy drives and can't 
>>>>> seem to get the drives I have to read the diskettes.  Not sure what 
>>>>> the issue is, good possibility it's something not set correctly. 
>>>>> However I had this thought that the Coco can run a version of flex and 
>>>>> might be able to verify the diskettes or even copy a new set. Back to 
>>>>> the same issue, how to get Flex disk.  I am assuming the Boot disk is 
>>>>> RSDOS, but it would need to load Flex format disks.
>>>>> Anyway my real goal is to find a way to read/write a flex diskette.  I 
>>>>> want to see if I can even read the boot disk's I have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am hoping to make the disk on a PC or linux would be fine as well. 
>>>>> Will need to pull out the L-Box.
>>>>> Anyone have any experience running Flex and the floppy system, know 
>>>>> more about it>?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any assistance or suggestions are welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
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>>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Mon Feb 23 06:45:39 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:45:39 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] December 1990 Done!!! yee-haw
Message-ID: <gnu293+26fv@eGroups.com>

man, what an achievement. had to get 6 extra pages sent to me from the
opposite side of the globe and added these in to the pdf to complete it

finally i can see the magazine complete after all these years

going to upload july till december 1990 to excalibur1 in the next few
minutes

will take a few hours per issue to upload

august file size 174,343,849
december 189,919,102
july 185,164,009
november 192,707,442
october 184,668,989
september 183,963,426



From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au  Mon Feb 23 07:24:06 2009
From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:24:06 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] april 1990 spine removal and scanning
Message-ID: <gnu4h6+3hnr@eGroups.com>

today i had a brilliant idea, rather then go visit the clown up town
again and pay a few dollars per magazine for him to cut the spines of
my rainbow mags with a guilotine that has blunt blades and chunks
taken out of it, i thought i would have a go myself

i had a look at the book and noticed there is inly a very thin run of
glue down the spine and this is really all that needs to be removed

so i went to the local "bunnings warehouse" and bought a $5 stanley
knife and $5 pack of 10 replacement blades

tonight when the kids went to bed i put the rainbow magazine on top of
a cutting board i nicked from the kitchen and *VERY CAREFULLY* cut the
glue off the spine.

this does take some time and patience is required and a steady hand. i
reckon you could very easily go wrong with this if you were not paying
attention

anyhow after about 15 minutes i had achieve this and had pretty
straight edges as well i might add

i then inserted 10 pages in the scanner and let it go

works like a charm
yippie!

more scanning tomorrow

night all



From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Mon Feb 23 08:46:18 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:18 +1100
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] april 1990 spine removal and scanning
In-Reply-To: <gnu4h6+3hnr@eGroups.com>
References: <gnu4h6+3hnr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <49A2A8AA.2080905@iinet.net.au>

stinger30au wrote:

> works like a charm
> yippie!
> more scanning tomorrow
> night all

Much appreciated!

Am I the only one that is having fun checking out all the Rainbow ads for 
games, then nipping over to lcurtisboyle.com to check screen shots and 
description for those I never played (and seeing if they stack up to the 
hype in the ad)??? :)

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 09:38:37 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:38:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
Message-ID: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>

Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on eBay. I an
effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-3002 machine. The body
is in great shape, but it won't even boot up. Garbage on the screen. And
there is a piece of something rattling around inside. The "tamper hole" has
had a replacement seal put very carefully over the damaged one, and the
buyer MADE SURE that it was sold AS-IS-no refunds.

I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I "puts
down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else. 

This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay: BE
CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.

This is just one that I will have to accept and move on. 
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From alsplace at pobox.com  Mon Feb 23 10:01:44 2009
From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:01:44 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <12074616-2563-4B2C-83C2-CFB71DA5F617@pobox.com>

CocoFest. Dirt cheap and they work :)

Glenside, maybe time to work out an eBay deal thru the club members?

Sent from my iPhone
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On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on  
> eBay. I an
> effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-3002 machine.  
> The body
> is in great shape, but it won't even boot up. Garbage on the screen.  
> And
> there is a piece of something rattling around inside. The "tamper  
> hole" has
> had a replacement seal put very carefully over the damaged one, and  
> the
> buyer MADE SURE that it was sold AS-IS-no refunds.
>
> I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I  
> "puts
> down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else.
>
> This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay: BE
> CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.
>
> This is just one that I will have to accept and move on.
> ______________________________________
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From os9dude at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 10:02:30 2009
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:02:30 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
References: <AcmVxGaQlnGBtQX6R62gnrpN7ea/RQ==>
	<016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580902230702k2c940b00lf8b831908a051239@mail.gmail.com>

Well, look at it from the bright side: as the CoCo already is not working,
no worse could happen to the machine if you open the case up and check it
out; you note there is something loose inside... it could be one of the
chips that fell out of the socket - that can happen during shipping so maybe
the thing is just a simple fix.

Unplug your CoCo from the AC and open it up carefully. See what's bouncing
in there and come back to the list with your findings.


-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on eBay. I an
> effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-3002 machine. The body
> is in great shape, but it won't even boot up. Garbage on the screen. And
> there is a piece of something rattling around inside. The "tamper hole" has
> had a replacement seal put very carefully over the damaged one, and the
> buyer MADE SURE that it was sold AS-IS-no refunds.
>
> I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I "puts
> down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else.
>
> This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay: BE
> CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.
>
> This is just one that I will have to accept and move on.


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 10:08:55 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:08:55 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <12074616-2563-4B2C-83C2-CFB71DA5F617@pobox.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
	<12074616-2563-4B2C-83C2-CFB71DA5F617@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <017801c995c8$a5934620$f0b9d260$@rr.com>

Just emailed the seller, and his response was (naturally) used electronics
have a no return policy - sold AS IS.

But I still believe he was waiting for a sucker like me.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Allen Huffman
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
> 
> CocoFest. Dirt cheap and they work :)
> 
> Glenside, maybe time to work out an eBay deal thru the club members?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
> 
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on
> > eBay. I an
> > effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-3002 machine.
> > The body
> > is in great shape, but it won't even boot up. Garbage on the screen.
> > And
> > there is a piece of something rattling around inside. The "tamper
> > hole" has
> > had a replacement seal put very carefully over the damaged one, and
> > the
> > buyer MADE SURE that it was sold AS-IS-no refunds.
> >
> > I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I
> > "puts
> > down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else.
> >
> > This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay: BE
> > CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.
> >
> > This is just one that I will have to accept and move on.
> > ______________________________________
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From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 12:13:31 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>

Hi Bill,
I have a boatload of spare CoCo's. If you need some replacement chips, 
ect. Let me know...

Alan Jones

-- 
N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home



Bill wrote:
> Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on eBay. I an
> effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-3002 machine. The body
> is in great shape, but it won't even boot up. Garbage on the screen. And
> there is a piece of something rattling around inside. The "tamper hole" has
> had a replacement seal put very carefully over the damaged one, and the
> buyer MADE SURE that it was sold AS-IS-no refunds.
>
> I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I "puts
> down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else. 
>
> This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay: BE
> CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.
>
> This is just one that I will have to accept and move on. 
> ______________________________________
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>
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From exwn8jef at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 12:16:57 2009
From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <017801c995c8$a5934620$f0b9d260$@rr.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>	<12074616-2563-4B2C-83C2-CFB71DA5F617@pobox.com>
	<017801c995c8$a5934620$f0b9d260$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49A2DA09.2060401@gmail.com>

One thing I do on ebay is that I always wait about 2 weeks before I 
leave feedback on a transaction. That way if someone tries to be 
dis-honest or has shoddy business practices I can comment on it in my 
feedback. :) Fortunately, I have never been burned on ebay since 1998.

Alan Jones

-- 
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http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home



Bill wrote:
> Just emailed the seller, and his response was (naturally) used electronics
> have a no return policy - sold AS IS.
>
> But I still believe he was waiting for a sucker like me.
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Allen Huffman
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:02 AM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
>>
>> CocoFest. Dirt cheap and they work :)
>>
>> Glenside, maybe time to work out an eBay deal thru the club members?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on
>>> eBay. I an
>>> effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-3002 machine.
>>> The body
>>> is in great shape, but it won't even boot up. Garbage on the screen.
>>> And
>>> there is a piece of something rattling around inside. The "tamper
>>> hole" has
>>> had a replacement seal put very carefully over the damaged one, and
>>> the
>>> buyer MADE SURE that it was sold AS-IS-no refunds.
>>>
>>> I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I
>>> "puts
>>> down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else.
>>>
>>> This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay: BE
>>> CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.
>>>
>>> This is just one that I will have to accept and move on.
>>> ______________________________________
>>> *Square One Christian BBS
>>> Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
>>> Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
>>>
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>>> http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
>>>
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From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb 23 13:16:34 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:16:34 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCo does wireless telnet
Message-ID: <20090223181701.0D72420A15@qs281.pair.com>

Someone here posted a link a few months back for the InternetModem 
page.  I just googled up the site and the first thing I noticed was 
the Visual Basic 2005 source code link.  I grabbed the source code 
and rebuilt the a VS 2008 project from it.  The utility (at minimum) 
does exactly what I expected.  It acts like it's a modem and responds 
to a remote terminal just like a modem responds when you issue AT commands.

The only difference in my case is I'm talking wirelessly to the fake 
modem with my bluetooth pak on a CoCo 3.

In addition, I'm also able to telnet around!   I just ATDT'ed into a 
freenet site (not by phone number, but by IP) and it connects at 
19200 and spits out the text just like the old BBS days.  So, this is 
my first wireless internet session over the bluetooth pak.  It's 
obviously not a direct connection but it doesn't matter because a 
connection is a connection is a connection.  :)  Lose the wires, and 
it just makes it seem even more like a direct connection.

Any nice CoCo comm program that has an autodialer without 
restrictions on the phone number format can just use the telnet 
server addresses instead, and you connect just like you're dialing in.

I just left the CoCo alone for 5 minutes and I now see "NO CARRIER" 
on Ultimaterm's screen.  The telnet server timed out at the login 
prompt.  Before I got the login prompt I got an 80x24 screen full of 
ASCII-arranged "graphics" just like the good ole days.

I'm not sure whether the author of InternetModem plans to expand it 
or not, but I've got the source code and open for ideas.  :)

Not to be confused with my CoCoNet system which will fetch web pages 
and files via HTTP requests, all from BASIC.
-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb 23 13:29:21 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:29:21 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20090223182946.94D2320A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 08:38 AM 2/23/2009, you wrote:
>Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on eBay. I an
>effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-3002 machine. The body
>is in great shape, but it won't even boot up. Garbage on the screen. And
>there is a piece of something rattling around inside. The "tamper hole" has
>had a replacement seal put very carefully over the damaged one, and the
>buyer MADE SURE that it was sold AS-IS-no refunds.
>
>I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I "puts
>down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else.
>
>This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay: BE
>CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.


It's an online rummage sale full of risks and lots of sellers who 
don't mind what they do and can still well that night.  A parts 
pusher "kinda" took me for a little ride a few weeks ago.  200 1488 
ICs, 200 1489 ICs, 400 1.8432 mhz crystals.  But guess what?  Yep, 
there was a catch.  The ICs were replacement types, not the actual 
chips.  Sure, they might work, but the ad didn't mention 5788 or 5789 
versions of those chips anywhere, and I paid for the actual chips by 
the ID advertised... nor did the seller mention that the crystals 
were the old and ancient HUGE can type.  The legs on those things are 
thicker than a string of solder.  Sure, they might work, 
too.  :)  His pictures showed what appeared to be the standard 
crystals, so don't let those eyes play tricks on you.  The typical 
ebay seller is going to doctor with the images anyway to get the best 
exposure and then tell you "you get exactly what you see in the 
picture", but what about what's behind the object if it's rotated 180 
degrees, etc.?
I got a little revenge when I noticed that there were no 1488 (5788) 
chips anywhere in my package?  He sent two bags of 1489/5789's, 
instead.  After 2 weeks of bugging the guy and postponing the unsure 
feedback rating for a bit longer, he sent finally sent me the missing 
chips and said he didn't want the others back.  But still, no actual 
1488 or 1489 chips.  If someone here can assure me there's no 
electrical difference, I guess I'll cut the guy some slack.  :)








>This is just one that I will have to accept and move on.
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From jdaggett at gate.net  Mon Feb 23 13:39:45 2009
From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:39:45 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>,
	<49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net>

I have spare MC68B09E and MC68B21 chips. 

james

On 23 Feb 2009 at 12:13, N8WQ wrote:

> Hi Bill,
> I have a boatload of spare CoCo's. If you need some replacement chips,
> ect. Let me know...
> 
> Alan Jones
> 
> -- 
> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
> 
> 
> 
> Bill wrote:
> > Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on
> > eBay. I an effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-3002
> > machine. The body is in great shape, but it won't even boot up.
> > Garbage on the screen. And there is a piece of something rattling
> > around inside. The "tamper hole" has had a replacement seal put very
> > carefully over the damaged one, and the buyer MADE SURE that it was
> > sold AS-IS-no refunds.
> >
> > I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I
> > "puts down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else. 
> >
> > This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay: BE
> > CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.
> >
> > This is just one that I will have to accept and move on. 
> > ______________________________________
> > *Square One Christian BBS
> > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
> > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
> >
> > A Taste of CoCo Forum
> > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
> >
> > Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
> > Host name or IP: www.sq1bbs.com
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> >
> >
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 13:56:19 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>,
	<49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>
	<49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net>
Message-ID: <018201c995e8$6d5491e0$47fdb5a0$@rr.com>

Well, if there are any experienced tecchies out there, I'll post a picture
of the screen as it comes up. Might be something someone can recognize and
know how to fix quickly.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of jdaggett at gate.net
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:40 PM
> To: N8WQ; CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
> 
> I have spare MC68B09E and MC68B21 chips.
> 
> james
> 
> On 23 Feb 2009 at 12:13, N8WQ wrote:
> 
> > Hi Bill,
> > I have a boatload of spare CoCo's. If you need some replacement
> chips,
> > ect. Let me know...
> >
> > Alan Jones
> >
> > --
> > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio
> > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill wrote:
> > > Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on
> > > eBay. I an effort to find an affordable Coco, I bought a 16K 26-
> 3002
> > > machine. The body is in great shape, but it won't even boot up.
> > > Garbage on the screen. And there is a piece of something rattling
> > > around inside. The "tamper hole" has had a replacement seal put
> very
> > > carefully over the damaged one, and the buyer MADE SURE that it was
> > > sold AS-IS-no refunds.
> > >
> > > I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I
> > > "puts down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else.
> > >
> > > This is just a reminder to those who have never bought from eBay:
> BE
> > > CAREFUL. You too, could get screwed.
> > >
> > > This is just one that I will have to accept and move on.
> > > ______________________________________
> > > *Square One Christian BBS
> > > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php
> > > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com
> > >
> > > A Taste of CoCo Forum
> > > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php
> > >
> > > Live chat room - Ventrilo 3.x required
> > > Host name or IP: www.sq1bbs.com
> > > Port: 3784
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> > >
> > >
> >
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> 
> 
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From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 14:37:05 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:37:05 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <018201c995e8$6d5491e0$47fdb5a0$@rr.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>,
	<49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>	<49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<018201c995e8$6d5491e0$47fdb5a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <018301c995ee$1bfd9b10$53f8d130$@rr.com>

Screenshot at http://www.sq1bbs.com/3002coco.jpg

Sorry about the (lack of) quality.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:56 PM
> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
> 
> Well, if there are any experienced tecchies out there, I'll post a picture
> of the screen as it comes up. Might be something someone can recognize
> and know how to fix quickly.



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 14:41:00 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:41:00 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Rebuild
Message-ID: <018401c995ee$a7db4510$f791cf30$@rr.com>

If that 26-3002 is not repairable, can the guts of a 26-3127 or 3127B be
placed in the body and made to work?

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From t.fadden at cox.net  Mon Feb 23 14:45:01 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:45:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
Message-ID: <18226112.68731.1235418301347.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1>

Hi Bill,

Could be something as simple as a loose chip.  Did you open it up and 
see what is bouncing around yet?  I would reseat all of the socked 
chips, including the GIME. It would be best to do them one at a time 
making sure to put them in the exact same way they came out, to or three 
times each.  the gime can be a little tricky, but not too bad if your 
careful.  Just make sure to remember, or better yet take a picture first 
that shows distinctly how they went in.

Tim


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:40 PM , Bill wrote:

> Screenshot at http://www.sq1bbs.com/3002coco.jpg
>
> Sorry about the (lack of) quality.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:56 PM
>> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
>>
>> Well, if there are any experienced tecchies out there, I'll post a 
>> picture
>> of the screen as it comes up. Might be something someone can 
>> recognize
>> and know how to fix quickly.
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From ed_s_429 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 08:45:49 2009
From: ed_s_429 at yahoo.com (Ed Siler)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:45:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] april 1990 spine removal and scanning
In-Reply-To: <gnu4h6+3hnr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <273713.92885.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Didn't know you were cutting the mags to do this!? Have you considered simply using a heat gun to release the adhesive w/o any damage?? I've used one extensively for removing paper?labels from packages, done properly both label and package are undamaged. The key is to not overheat it. 
?
Heat gun on low or medium & magazine closed? Keep heat gun about 4-6" away while heating spline evenly. When fairly warm to the touch, open cover & work it loose.? Once cover is removed, pages should seperate easily.
?
Since you don't need the hi heat setting for this, a hair dryer should work. 
This should be quicker than cutting, and the magazine could be restored after you're done.
?
Ed


From seanruss at netzero.net  Mon Feb 23 11:43:38 2009
From: seanruss at netzero.net (seanrussoct08)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:43:38 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: april 1990 spine removal and scanning
In-Reply-To: <gnu4h6+3hnr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnujnq+9i4b@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" <stinger30au at ...>
wrote:
>
> today i had a brilliant idea, rather then go visit the clown up town
> again and pay a few dollars per magazine for him to cut the spines of
> my rainbow mags with a guilotine that has blunt blades and chunks
> taken out of it, i thought i would have a go myself
> 
> i had a look at the book and noticed there is inly a very thin run of
> glue down the spine and this is really all that needs to be removed
> 
> so i went to the local "bunnings warehouse" and bought a $5 stanley
> knife and $5 pack of 10 replacement blades
> 
> tonight when the kids went to bed i put the rainbow magazine on top of
> a cutting board i nicked from the kitchen and *VERY CAREFULLY* cut the
> glue off the spine.
> 
> this does take some time and patience is required and a steady hand. i
> reckon you could very easily go wrong with this if you were not paying
> attention
> 
> anyhow after about 15 minutes i had achieve this and had pretty
> straight edges as well i might add
> 
> i then inserted 10 pages in the scanner and let it go
> 
> works like a charm
> yippie!
> 
> more scanning tomorrow
> 
> night all
>

That's is supreme dedication to your project - taking a knife to your
Rainbow's!!!  I shudder to think about it.  

That's a really cool project though!



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 15:26:01 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:26:01 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] april 1990 spine removal and scanning
In-Reply-To: <273713.92885.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gnv0op+cpsi@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, Ed Siler <ed_s_429 at ...> wrote:
>
> Didn't know you were cutting the mags to do this!? Have you
considered simply using a heat gun to release the adhesive w/o any
damage?? I've used one extensively for removing paper?labels from
packages, done properly both label and package are undamaged. The key
is to not overheat it.

You can also use an electric frying pan or an electric clothes iron on
low heat. Protect the edge from stains with aluminum foil.

Neil



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 15:28:05 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:28:05 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <87E2A86F124E4C27894A698EA482330F@NewBaby>

What was the seller's ID?

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>

> Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on eBay.



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 15:40:19 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:40:19 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <87E2A86F124E4C27894A698EA482330F@NewBaby>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
	<87E2A86F124E4C27894A698EA482330F@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <019501c995f6$f1fca690$d5f5f3b0$@rr.com>

I'm really hesitant to say, you never know what kind of legal ramifications
can occur.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Neil Morrison
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:28 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
> 
> What was the seller's ID?
> 
> Neil
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
> 
> > Well, I'm among the (probably) thousands who have been bilked on
> eBay.
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 16:08:11 2009
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:08:11 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>,
	<49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>	<49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net><018201c995e8$6d5491e0$47fdb5a0$@rr.com>
	<018301c995ee$1bfd9b10$53f8d130$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c995fa$d8473e00$0701a8c0@master>

Bill,
to be honest, a picture of the internals of your dead coco would be mose 
useful than a screenshot. Find out what it is that's rattling around inside.

Regarding the sticker, that could have been put there by a Tandy/RS repair 
shop. At least in this country they used paper labels... a sort-of brownish 
colour with words like... Warranty void if removed (not sure of the exact 
wording).

Please remember also that many coco users modified, hacked and otherwise 
"improved" their early colour computers. Finding a colour computer 
(particularly a 1 or 2) with an intact label would be rare IMHO.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>
To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware


> Screenshot at http://www.sq1bbs.com/3002coco.jpg
>
> Sorry about the (lack of) quality.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:56 PM
>> To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
>>
>> Well, if there are any experienced tecchies out there, I'll post a 
>> picture
>> of the screen as it comes up. Might be something someone can recognize
>> and know how to fix quickly.
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 16:21:35 2009
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:21:35 -0800
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com><87E2A86F124E4C27894A698EA482330F@NewBaby>
	<019501c995f6$f1fca690$d5f5f3b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4B9C22D0AD1F46A49D688C01C76F0CC4@NewBaby>

None really. See

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bad-eBay-Sellers

If you give me the ID I might be able to tell you if he is a bad dude or it 
was just one of those things.

Generally As/Is is a bad sign. It translates to "I tried it and it's junk 
but I'll pretend I don't know that".

Neil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com>

> I'm really hesitant to say, you never know what kind of legal 
> ramifications
> can occur.



From os9dude at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 17:06:26 2009
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:06:26 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <18226112.68731.1235418301347.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1>
References: <18226112.68731.1235418301347.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5631e580902231406t599da36cg85afed3e4f02cb82@mail.gmail.com>

:-)

Nope... no GIME in a 16k 26-3002 battelship gray machine.

Still, the first thing to try is precisely that on reseating all socketed
chips.



-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:45 PM, <t.fadden at cox.net> wrote:

>
> Could be something as simple as a loose chip.  Did you open it up and see
> what is bouncing around yet?  I would reseat all of the socked chips,
> including the GIME. It would be best...


From os9dude at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 17:09:37 2009
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:09:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <018301c995ee$1bfd9b10$53f8d130$@rr.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
	<49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com> <49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net>
	<018201c995e8$6d5491e0$47fdb5a0$@rr.com>
	<018301c995ee$1bfd9b10$53f8d130$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580902231409k20ddd922u572a76f2d5f0abe7@mail.gmail.com>

Pic is good don't worry... looks like the CPU is getting stuck right upon
boot - could be a missing chip on its socket, could be the CPU itself. As
you mentioned something is rattling in there do check for a loose IC, if
that is the case post the chip numbers and the CoCo fans here will be able
to know what it is and where and how it goes in the board.


-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Bill <cwgordon at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Screenshot at http://www.sq1bbs.com/3002coco.jpg
>
> Sorry about the (lack of) quality.


From t.fadden at cox.net  Mon Feb 23 17:09:17 2009
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:09:17 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <5631e580902231406t599da36cg85afed3e4f02cb82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18226112.68731.1235418301347.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1>
	<5631e580902231406t599da36cg85afed3e4f02cb82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A31E8D.8040108@cox.net>

oops.    red-faced he says in stupidity! ha ha ha.


Rogelio Perea wrote:
> :-)
>
> Nope... no GIME in a 16k 26-3002 battelship gray machine.
>
> Still, the first thing to try is precisely that on reseating all socketed
> chips.
>
>
>
> -=[ Rogelio ]=-
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:45 PM, <t.fadden at cox.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Could be something as simple as a loose chip.  Did you open it up and see
>> what is bouncing around yet?  I would reseat all of the socked chips,
>> including the GIME. It would be best...
>>     
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>   



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 17:10:44 2009
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:10:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <4B9C22D0AD1F46A49D688C01C76F0CC4@NewBaby>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com><87E2A86F124E4C27894A698EA482330F@NewBaby>
	<019501c995f6$f1fca690$d5f5f3b0$@rr.com>
	<4B9C22D0AD1F46A49D688C01C76F0CC4@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902231709290.11842@duo>

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Neil Morrison wrote:

> None really. See
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bad-eBay-Sellers
>
> If you give me the ID I might be able to tell you if he is a bad dude or it 
> was just one of those things.
>
> Generally As/Is is a bad sign. It translates to "I tried it and it's junk but 
> I'll pretend I don't know that".

Yup.  The standard maxim at Hamfests and flea-markets is that whenever 
someone says they don't know if it works; it doesn't.  Don't see why eBay 
would be any different.


-- 


From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 17:36:32 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:36:32 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <003c01c995fa$d8473e00$0701a8c0@master>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>,
	<49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>	<49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net><018201c995e8$6d5491e0$47fdb5a0$@rr.com>	<018301c995ee$1bfd9b10$53f8d130$@rr.com>
	<003c01c995fa$d8473e00$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <01a701c99607$2da1dd90$88e598b0$@rr.com>

All the chips were secure, none loose. I found the rattling piece-it was a
metal clip that a screw goes into. Fell right out.

Found no smell of burned electronics, no smoke damage, etc.

Internal pics at http://www.sq1bbs.com/problem

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bob Devries
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:08 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
> 
> Bill,
> to be honest, a picture of the internals of your dead coco would be
> mose
> useful than a screenshot. Find out what it is that's rattling around
> inside.



From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Mon Feb 23 17:41:33 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:41:33 +1100
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49A3261D.5010608@iinet.net.au>

Bill wrote:

> And
> there is a piece of something rattling around inside. 

A note for the future - if something is rattling around inside, it's 
probably _not_ a good idea to turn it on! All you need is for a piece of 
metal to be lying across the wrong two tracks, and you'll never get the 
smoke back in...

Whenever I receive some vintage equipment, the first thing I _always_ do is 
open it up and give it a visual inspection. Disassemble into modules - 
unplug all connectors, unmount all circuit boards etc. Re-seat all the 
socketed ICs. And unless it's pristine (LOL) I give everything a good clean 
- dust off the circuit board, clean the plastics thoroughly etc.

Only then do I re-assemble and power it up (before screwing it all back 
together).

Not only does it look a lot nicer, you'd be kicking yourself if you 
powered-up that long-awaited retro computer that you could _finally_ afford 
and see the boot screen for 2 seconds before it fizzled out and smoke 
billowed out the cooling vents - only to open it up and see an old paper 
clip lying across the power pins of the only custom (non-socketed) IC on the 
board! :(

> I know I'm not the only one to fall for something like this, and I "puts
> down my money and takes my chances" along with everyone else. 

As Neil & Steven said, "untested" and "as-is" mean "doesn't work". You just 
need to learn the lingo! ;)

On the plus side, if it is a minor problem and you manage to fix it (and 
it's evident that there's plenty on the list willing to help), you'll get a 
lot of satisfaction over the fact that _you_ got it working, and that the 
seller actually lost out! ;)

As for your specific problem, if it's more than badly-seated IC's, it's 
_generally_ either RAM or an easily replaced (though less easily diagnosed) 
passive component. I'd be surprised if it were ROM or 6809/6883/6847 - but 
then again I'm not familiar with the failure modes of Cocos...

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From operator at coco3.com  Mon Feb 23 17:34:52 2009
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:34:52 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902231709290.11842@duo>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
	<87E2A86F124E4C27894A698EA482330F@NewBaby>
	<019501c995f6$f1fca690$d5f5f3b0$@rr.com>
	<4B9C22D0AD1F46A49D688C01C76F0CC4@NewBaby>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902231709290.11842@duo>
Message-ID: <20090223224407.EF86820A13@qs281.pair.com>

At 04:10 PM 2/23/2009, you wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Neil Morrison wrote:
>
>>None really. See
>>
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bad-eBay-Sellers
>>
>>If you give me the ID I might be able to tell you if he is a bad 
>>dude or it was just one of those things.
>>
>>Generally As/Is is a bad sign. It translates to "I tried it and 
>>it's junk but I'll pretend I don't know that".
>
>Yup.  The standard maxim at Hamfests and flea-markets is that 
>whenever someone says they don't know if it works; it 
>doesn't.  Don't see why eBay would be any different.



Maybe you'll get lucky and the main chips are socketed.  Since the 
screen appears to have been cleared before the crash, I'm guessing 
that the CPU works.

I'm putting my money on some of the RAM chips being unseated.



-- 
Roger Taylor

http://www.wordofthedayonline.com



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 17:46:34 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <49A3261D.5010608@iinet.net.au>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>
	<49A3261D.5010608@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <01a801c99608$946c9aa0$bd45cfe0$@rr.com>

Unfortunately, I'm not able to do that anymore. I used to be able to, but
since Arthur Itis took over my hands, I do well to hold my Bible. Writing
with pen and ink are out of the question, so typing is the only medium I can
use.

I REALLY hope it's something simple like a chip.

We'll see.....



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 17:49:13 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:49:13 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <20090223224407.EF86820A13@qs281.pair.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>	<87E2A86F124E4C27894A698EA482330F@NewBaby>	<019501c995f6$f1fca690$d5f5f3b0$@rr.com>	<4B9C22D0AD1F46A49D688C01C76F0CC4@NewBaby>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902231709290.11842@duo>
	<20090223224407.EF86820A13@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <01a901c99608$f2e10df0$d8a329d0$@rr.com>

All the chips ARE socketed (thank goodness), so replacing them might not be
too big a problem.

Everything is as "snug as a bug in a rug"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Roger Taylor
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:35 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Buyer beware
 
> Maybe you'll get lucky and the main chips are socketed.  Since the
> screen appears to have been cleared before the crash, I'm guessing
> that the CPU works.
> 
> I'm putting my money on some of the RAM chips being unseated.
> 



From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Mon Feb 23 17:57:25 2009
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:57:25 +1100
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
In-Reply-To: <018301c995ee$1bfd9b10$53f8d130$@rr.com>
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>,
	<49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>	<49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net>	<018201c995e8$6d5491e0$47fdb5a0$@rr.com>
	<018301c995ee$1bfd9b10$53f8d130$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49A329D5.1070807@iinet.net.au>

Bill wrote:

> Screenshot at http://www.sq1bbs.com/3002coco.jpg

Is this image consistent each time, or somewhat random?

Years ago I got an old Juno First arcade PCB that had partly corrupt 
sprites. I suspected RAM but the trouble is the PCB had a sea of 4116's - 
all NON-socketed - and I had no schematics. So I had an idea...

I modified the MAME driver to simulate a single _faulty_ RAM chip in the 
sprite circuit. Then I ran the emulator, and checked what it showed against 
what I was seeing on my arcade cabinet. After switching bit positions a few 
times, I got exactly the same corruption I was seeing on my cab!

Back to the PCB, there was (IIRC) enough indication of which bank of memory 
was for sprites. I located what appeared to be the chip for that bit 
position, unsoldered it and replaced it with a socket and new RAM chip. 
Fired it up and - lo and behold - no more corruption!!!

Anyway, the point of this ramble is that perhaps doing the same in the Coco 
MESS driver might be an option - at least it might _prove_ it's a RAM 
problem if you can reproduce the same garbled graphics???

I'd give it a go myself but I'm about to head off to work... maybe later if 
you're still having problems???

BTW when you checked for loose chips, did you press down _quite firmly_ on 
each socketed chip? "Loose" doesn't mean "I can wiggle it when I touch it" 
in this case.

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Mon Feb 23 18:01:19 2009
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Buyer beware
References: <016d01c995c4$69c92b90$3d5b82b0$@rr.com>,
	<49A2D93B.1090002@gmail.com>	<49A2A721.14116.46B39@jdaggett.gate.net><018201c995e8$6d5491e0$47fdb5a0$@rr.com>	<018301c995ee$1bfd9b10$53f8d130$@rr.com><003c01c995fa$d8473e00$0701a8c0@master>
	<01a701c99607$2da1dd90$88e598b0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <0A41E5EB0CCF4374BF1015A6AA8B1B1B@speedy>

Was the RF shield covering the caged in area where the CPU, VGA, SAM and 
memory chips are?

You should have needed to pull it out of there to get those pictures.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, it was probably left out somewhere 
in it's past.  This supports the dead prior to sale concept.



Also, it would be a poor fit to put a CoCo 2 mainboard in the CoCo 1 case. 
Not impossible, but you would need to "re"-locate the mounts.



Bruce W.






> All the chips were secure, none loose. I found the rattling piece-it was a
> metal clip that a screw goes into. Fell right out.
>
> Found no smell of burned electronics, no smoke damage, etc.
>
> Internal pics at http://www.sq1bbs.com/problem
>
>> Bill,
>> to be honest, a picture of the internals of your dead coco would be
>> mose
>> useful than a screenshot. Find out what it is that's rattling around
>> inside.



From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 18:28:30 2009
From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill)
Date: M