From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 00:04:18 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:04:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak test case with NitrOS-9 In-Reply-To: <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> Boisy and gang, I'm in Hyperterminal on my laptop with a NitrOS-9 shell through the bluetooth pak. :) 9600 bps for starters, haven't tried 19200 bps yet or higher. As expected, shell i=/t2& did what it's supposed to do. The wierd part is that it's the DriveWire version of NitrOS-9, so when I type DIR from HyperTerminal, the real CoCo is reading the virtual disk stored on the laptop, so it just feels funny, but at least it worked. Test Case #1: the "Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak" runs a 6809 CoCo 3 NitrOS-9 shell @ 9600 bps no pressure testing has been done past just browing some directories and not missing any characters yet -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 00:18:07 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak test case with NitrOS-9 In-Reply-To: <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090401041839.1CCC220A13@qs281.pair.com> At 11:04 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: >Boisy and gang, > >I'm in Hyperterminal on my laptop with a NitrOS-9 shell through the >bluetooth pak. :) 9600 bps for starters, haven't tried 19200 bps >yet or higher. > >As expected, shell i=/t2& did what it's supposed to do. The wierd >part is that it's the DriveWire version of NitrOS-9, so when I type >DIR from HyperTerminal, the real CoCo is reading the virtual disk >stored on the laptop, so it just feels funny, but at least it worked. > >Test Case #1: the "Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak" runs a 6809 CoCo 3 >NitrOS-9 shell @ 9600 bps > >no pressure testing has been done past just browing some directories >and not missing any characters yet > >-- >Roger Taylor Let me add what I forgot to mention: The connection between the PC and CoCo are using both my CoCo-to-PC serial cable and my wireless RS-232 pak (with HDB-DOS/DriveWire in it). No real floppy controller is connected. The reason the cable is used is so I can boot into NitrOS-9 some way since my controller is causing me some OS-9 boot problems. Even though I opened a shell into NOS from the PC over the air, the CoCo is still accessing it's system disk FROM the PC over the bitbanger cable. Talk about a cool little situation. Anyway, I don't want to use the bitbanger connection or DriveWire so I'll be working on a solution to why I can't boot NitrOS-9 using my Super Controller 1. Once I get that working, the cable can go. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 00:42:11 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:42:11 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak test case with NitrOS-9 In-Reply-To: <20090401041839.1CCC220A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401041839.1CCC220A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090401044241.ADE1F20A14@qs281.pair.com> At 11:18 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: >At 11:04 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: >>Boisy and gang, >>Test Case #1: the "Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak" runs a 6809 CoCo 3 >>NitrOS-9 shell @ 9600 bps Wireless Test Case #2: NitrOS-9 shell @ 19200 bps, no missed characters yet, just playing around. The following is a copy and paste from Hyperterminal on the PC. {t2|03}/DD:dir cmds Directory of cmds 2009/03/31 23:31 shell utilpak1 asm attr backup binex build cmp cobbler copy cputype date dcheck debug ded deiniz del deldir devs dir dirsort disasm display dmem dmode dsave dump echo edit error exbin format free grfdrv help ident iniz irqs link list load login makdir mdir megaread merge mfree mmap modpatch montype mpi os9gen padrom park pmap proc procs prompt pwd pxd reboot rename save setime shell_21 sleep smap tee tmode touch tsmon tuneport unlink verify wcreate xmode basic09 runb gfx2 gfx inkey syscall {t2|03}/DD: -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From nutz4coco at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 01:01:11 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:01:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo montage/tribute on YouTube.com In-Reply-To: <2508B559-DF19-4476-B6B6-8B5A0068BDD0@pobox.com> References: <2508B559-DF19-4476-B6B6-8B5A0068BDD0@pobox.com> Message-ID: <889830d00903312201w514acebch3afdcd8baef60c07@mail.gmail.com> I am willing to embed videos on the 8-Bit Retro blog, and if anyone has any news that they feel is worth posting, or links that they feel should be on the blog, please drop me a line. Cheers Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > Here it is... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgchwL7eeiw > > Very nice, including some games I hadn't ever seen. > > So, when you browse YouTube and find a good CoCo video, be sure to post a > comment thanking them for posting it, and mention that CoCoFests are still > going (maybe even link to www.glensideccc.com). If we can all keep this in > mind moving forward, we can start building awareness for the 2010 CoCoFest. > > When you find a retro-blog posting, or someone who mentions the CoCo > somewhere, consider taking a moment to chime in, and reference the club and > fest. If we get the ball rolling now, who knows -- maybe we could break 1000 > in 2010 :-) (Heh, there would be no room at the hotel!) > > I plan to start putting a series of promotional videos together, like TV > ads for the fest and CoCo, and we can start embedding them on our own > websites and such. I hope I keep the enthusiasm. I may even set my CoCo back > up in the coming weeks. > -- > Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! > Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com > > Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! > > http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 01:39:58 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 00:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report Message-ID: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern internet times... Should I post a text-only version here? -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 1 03:05:10 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 03:05:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Test RS232 pak In-Reply-To: <20090401020011.D2C3E20A16@qs281.pair.com> References: <001201c9b24f$13fe6750$3bfb35f0$@rr.com> <5d802cd0903311625h49c5511fl87e9790f1635d885@mail.gmail.com> <000301c9b26b$30637900$912a6b00$@rr.com> <20090401020011.D2C3E20A16@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <002501c9b298$32ea9fa0$98bfdee0$@rr.com> Hmmmm, on my Coco 3 I get: ?PEEK(65384) 0 ?PEEK(65385) 112 ?PEEK(65386) 0 ?PEEK(65387) 0 on both of them. I'm afraid there won't be any 'blind experimentation'. Unfortunately, all those days are over. I'm going to try the register peeks again on a Coco 2. (in the morning) Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Roger Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:00 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Test RS232 pak > > Bill... the pak's 6551 chip should respond to PEEK commands. You'll > see that the 4 registers are mapped in. That's about all you're > going to get out of the thing if no connection to a terminal is made! > > ?PEEK(65384) usually reports 0 initially > ?PEEK(65385) usually reports 16 initially > ?PEEK(65386) and ?PEEK(65387) should report 0 initially > > Grab those RS-232 Pak docs and study before even attempting to > experiment blindly. > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 1 03:12:45 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 03:12:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Test RS232 pak In-Reply-To: <49D2D613.9060106@worldnet.att.net> References: <001201c9b24f$13fe6750$3bfb35f0$@rr.com> <49D2D613.9060106@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <002601c9b299$48164810$d842d830$@rr.com> GREAT!! It worked. If that means they are working, BOTH of them seem to be working. Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:49 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Test RS232 pak > > That is not the correct method for starting a non-auto-start pak in a > Coco3. It should be EXEC $E010. > > Could be that's the source of your problem assuming you are using a > Coco3. From os9dude at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 05:54:25 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:54:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> References: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> Message-ID: <5631e580904010254y57f11c4fgbe14f1820b3431d5@mail.gmail.com> Took the liberty at crossposting onto the Delphi CoCo SIG (once in a blue Moon activity) and the Compuserve (what's left of it) Vintage Computing Forum. Great report Al :-) -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Allen Huffman wrote: > > http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html > > I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern internet > times... Should I post a text-only version here? > -- > Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! > Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com > > Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! > > http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From boisy at tee-boy.com Wed Apr 1 06:24:07 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:24:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> On Mar 31, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 09:35 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: > Roger, > >> It sounds like you're clipping along with DriveWire 3. That's great. > > I was having a talk with Gault about getting NitrOS-9 running > another way since my floppy controller is obviously being poked > around with by All known copies of OS-9. Address 65345 is the ROM > socket selector (0-3). The 4th socket is being switched in > somewhere during the kernel code, I suspect. Crashola. Deskmate, > OS-9 Level One, Two, NitrOS-9. Strangest thing I've seen. > > I went to your site and grabbed HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 (long name, > btw) because I was having trouble copying double-sided OS-9 disks > over to the CoCo using CoCoNet/bitbanger. Anyway, to make a long > story short, I quickly discovered that you had it rigged so we can > boot into a NitrOS-9 virtual disk that's on the PC, using the HDB- > DOS ROM. I couldn't complain when I saw the 80 column screen appear > within seconds. There's your plug. > > > >> If you're loading the driver and descriptors, you're making >> inefficient use of memory. > > I know that the rest of the block space is wasted this way, but > sheesh. Roger, I can help you understand better why NitrOS-9 gave you an error #207. When you loaded sc6551.dr and t2 in memory, what command line (or lines) did you use? Please provide those. Also on the system, before doing the load, please send the output of the smap utility. That, not mfree, will be revealing into why the error #207 happened. With those pieces of information from your system, I'll be able to definitively tell you why the error #207 occurred. From boisy at tee-boy.com Wed Apr 1 06:25:50 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:25:50 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak test case with NitrOS-9 In-Reply-To: <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <33CE698E-67F1-4D39-9048-B75C025EE942@tee-boy.com> On Mar 31, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Boisy and gang, > > I'm in Hyperterminal on my laptop with a NitrOS-9 shell through the > bluetooth pak. :) 9600 bps for starters, haven't tried 19200 bps > yet or higher. > > As expected, shell i=/t2& did what it's supposed to do. The wierd > part is that it's the DriveWire version of NitrOS-9, so when I type > DIR from HyperTerminal, the real CoCo is reading the virtual disk > stored on the laptop, so it just feels funny, but at least it worked. > > Test Case #1: the "Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak" runs a 6809 CoCo 3 > NitrOS-9 shell @ 9600 bps > > no pressure testing has been done past just browing some directories > and not missing any characters yet Roger, You should be able to push /T2 to 19200 without problems running a shell. Of course, the real test to both the hardware and the driver is pushing data from the PC to the CoCo at a sustained rate. This would test CTS/RTS handling and the like. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com From boisy at tee-boy.com Wed Apr 1 08:52:39 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:52:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak test case with NitrOS-9 In-Reply-To: <20090401041839.1CCC220A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401041839.1CCC220A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: On Mar 31, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 11:04 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: >> Boisy and gang, >> >> I'm in Hyperterminal on my laptop with a NitrOS-9 shell through the >> bluetooth pak. :) 9600 bps for starters, haven't tried 19200 bps >> yet or higher. >> >> As expected, shell i=/t2& did what it's supposed to do. The wierd >> part is that it's the DriveWire version of NitrOS-9, so when I type >> DIR from HyperTerminal, the real CoCo is reading the virtual disk >> stored on the laptop, so it just feels funny, but at least it worked. >> >> Test Case #1: the "Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak" runs a 6809 CoCo 3 >> NitrOS-9 shell @ 9600 bps >> >> no pressure testing has been done past just browing some >> directories and not missing any characters yet >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor > > > Let me add what I forgot to mention: > > The connection between the PC and CoCo are using both my CoCo-to-PC > serial cable and my wireless RS-232 pak (with HDB-DOS/DriveWire in > it). No real floppy controller is connected. The reason the cable > is used is so I can boot into NitrOS-9 some way since my controller > is causing me some OS-9 boot problems. > > Even though I opened a shell into NOS from the PC over the air, the > CoCo is still accessing it's system disk FROM the PC over the > bitbanger cable. Talk about a cool little situation. Anyway, I > don't want to use the bitbanger connection or DriveWire so I'll be > working on a solution to why I can't boot NitrOS-9 using my Super > Controller 1. Once I get that working, the cable can go. Roger, You can eliminate the bitbanger cable several ways: 1. Write your own NitrOS-9 booter and drivers that talk to the 6551 and use your designed protocol to fetch sectors. 2. Extend your server software to talk the DriveWire 3 protocol, then use the same NitrOS-9 bootfile to boot to your server. You don't have to abandon your own disk sector protocol for this, just support a DriveWire 3 mode. #1 requires work on the CoCo end, while #2 requires work on the PC end. I would encourage you do do #2, as it would allow HDB-DOS DriveWire 3 to talk to your server as well. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 09:13:55 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:13:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <5631e580904010254y57f11c4fgbe14f1820b3431d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> <5631e580904010254y57f11c4fgbe14f1820b3431d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks - still have more to add. Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > Took the liberty at crossposting onto the Delphi CoCo SIG (once in a > blue > Moon activity) and the Compuserve (what's left of it) Vintage > Computing > Forum. > > Great report Al :-) > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Allen Huffman > wrote: > >> >> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html >> > > >> >> I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern >> internet >> times... Should I post a text-only version here? >> -- >> Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! >> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com >> >> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get >> credit! >> >> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 1 10:15:24 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1696019836.971671238595324861.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Al, It is nice to see your work again. Nice job again on the report and the effort put forth this past weekend. Thanks for the capture! Regards, Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:13:55 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoFest Report Thanks - still have more to add. Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > Took the liberty at crossposting onto the Delphi CoCo SIG (once in a > blue > Moon activity) and the Compuserve (what's left of it) Vintage > Computing > Forum. > > Great report Al :-) > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Allen Huffman > wrote: > >> >> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html >> > > >> >> I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern >> internet >> times... Should I post a text-only version here? >> -- >> Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! >> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com >> >> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get >> credit! >> >> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 10:18:22 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:18:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <1696019836.971671238595324861.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <1696019836.971671238595324861.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <9F31AE35-B2F6-4045-8265-4E8103F42B45@pobox.com> You're quite welcome. I haven't been this motivated in years. So when can I buy a flashpak??? And I want a dual-flash device (will never want a physical hard drive on my CoCo again, I don't think). What's the easiest way to power the IDE-CF adapter? Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 1, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Al, > > It is nice to see your work again. > > Nice job again on the report and the effort put forth this past > weekend. > > Thanks for the capture! > > Regards, > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen Huffman" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:13:55 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoFest Report > > Thanks - still have more to add. > > Sent from my iPhone > Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > >> Took the liberty at crossposting onto the Delphi CoCo SIG (once in a >> blue >> Moon activity) and the Compuserve (what's left of it) Vintage >> Computing >> Forum. >> >> Great report Al :-) >> >> >> >> -=[ Rogelio ]=- >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Allen Huffman >> wrote: >> >>> >>> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern >>> internet >>> times... Should I post a text-only version here? >>> -- >>> Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! >>> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com >>> >>> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get >>> credit! >>> >>> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nutz4coco at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 12:11:55 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:11:55 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <5631e580904010254y57f11c4fgbe14f1820b3431d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> <5631e580904010254y57f11c4fgbe14f1820b3431d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <889830d00904010911n442b2b3cgf8bd88379ae71725@mail.gmail.com> Allen - I added a link to the report to the posting I put up with your Fest video. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > Took the liberty at crossposting onto the Delphi CoCo SIG (once in a blue > Moon activity) and the Compuserve (what's left of it) Vintage Computing > Forum. > > Great report Al :-) > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > > From adit at nationsdial.com Wed Apr 1 12:17:43 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:17:43 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest 2009 video... In-Reply-To: References: <49D1E02C.8090402@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <18B73BB6-FE9D-4EFF-8CE9-3A0EFFD4A6C4@nationsdial.com> On Mar 31, 2009, at 5:47 AM, Allen Huffman wrote: > think next year we should shoot for doing some ustream (or similar > service) video feeds as well as having a chat station at the show. > I second that idea! This would be great idea for those who aren't able to attend. There are any number of self-contained IP cameras that could serve for this (eliminating the need to have a Mac/PC lugged around.) Bandwidth at the hotel would likely be the main bottleneck tho. Dean From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 1 12:21:48 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <233493419.1015861238602778210.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1348090778.1016621238602904172.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Al, I am glad you have been renewed, I would LOVE to see some of your older wares come forth again!!!! The issue that I saw at the fest was one that I was aware of but Murphy wanted it not to work in Chicago. I hacked a fix into it Sat. night and had the pak functional. As stated in my part of the C-9 seminar, the next rev of the FLASHpak has this designed out of it. Can fix it passively but going with an active device. The Sunday issue is extreme CoCoing, 32k ROM mode. Problem identified, solution in the works. Programmable logic, love it. Boisy and I were on the phone for 40minutes this AM reviewing this. He said at one point, man this shxt is complex. This machine still teaches us new things. As to far as when? When it is tested and meets the design specifications. Nothing goes out the door without it being 100% tested. I write ATE software and design the test hardware. Once it passes there, it goes to CoCo final test. Where more test software is run and all portions of the CPLD are exercised. As the FLASHpak could be a drive, that is not it's intention. It is a 2megabyte x 8 partitioned ROM pak, 16megabit device. :) VERY fast programming times, fun stuff. Working on three projects right now, time division multiplexing......All looking good and is about time. To externally power the CF use a 3.5" drive connector and a wall wart 5v regulated, please note regulated! Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:18:22 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoFest Report You're quite welcome. I haven't been this motivated in years. So when can I buy a flashpak??? And I want a dual-flash device (will never want a physical hard drive on my CoCo again, I don't think). What's the easiest way to power the IDE-CF adapter? Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 1, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Al, > > It is nice to see your work again. > > Nice job again on the report and the effort put forth this past > weekend. > > Thanks for the capture! > > Regards, > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen Huffman" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:13:55 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoFest Report > > Thanks - still have more to add. > > Sent from my iPhone > Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > >> Took the liberty at crossposting onto the Delphi CoCo SIG (once in a >> blue >> Moon activity) and the Compuserve (what's left of it) Vintage >> Computing >> Forum. >> >> Great report Al :-) >> >> >> >> -=[ Rogelio ]=- >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Allen Huffman >> wrote: >> >>> >>> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern >>> internet >>> times... Should I post a text-only version here? >>> -- >>> Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! >>> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com >>> >>> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get >>> credit! >>> >>> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 12:59:23 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> At 05:24 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >On Mar 31, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >>At 09:35 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: >>Roger, >> >>>It sounds like you're clipping along with DriveWire 3. That's great. >> >>I was having a talk with Gault about getting NitrOS-9 running >>another way since my floppy controller is obviously being poked >>around with by All known copies of OS-9. Address 65345 is the ROM >>socket selector (0-3). The 4th socket is being switched in >>somewhere during the kernel code, I suspect. Crashola. Deskmate, >>OS-9 Level One, Two, NitrOS-9. Strangest thing I've seen. >> >>I went to your site and grabbed HDB-DOS for DriveWire 3 (long name, >>btw) because I was having trouble copying double-sided OS-9 disks >>over to the CoCo using CoCoNet/bitbanger. Anyway, to make a long >>story short, I quickly discovered that you had it rigged so we can >>boot into a NitrOS-9 virtual disk that's on the PC, using the HDB- >>DOS ROM. I couldn't complain when I saw the 80 column screen appear >>within seconds. There's your plug. >> >> >> >>>If you're loading the driver and descriptors, you're making >>>inefficient use of memory. >> >>I know that the rest of the block space is wasted this way, but >>sheesh. > >Roger, > >I can help you understand better why NitrOS-9 gave you an error #207. >When you loaded sc6551.dr and t2 in memory, what command line (or >lines) did you use? Please provide those. Obviously, I used load /dd/pathname..... You're wanting to know if I tried linking /t2? Yes, and that reported an error as well. It doesn't matter now because I've got the drivers in os9boot and working. >Also on the system, before doing the load, please send the output of >the smap utility. That, not mfree, will be revealing into why the >error #207 happened. > >With those pieces of information from your system, I'll be able to >definitively tell you why the error #207 occurred. I'll try to find time here in the next hour to do this. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 13:20:38 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:20:38 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak test case with NitrOS-9 In-Reply-To: References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401041839.1CCC220A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090401172112.0BC3E20A13@qs281.pair.com> At 07:52 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >On Mar 31, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >>At 11:04 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: >>>Boisy and gang, >>> >>>I'm in Hyperterminal on my laptop with a NitrOS-9 shell through the >>>bluetooth pak. :) 9600 bps for starters, haven't tried 19200 bps >>>yet or higher. >>> >>>As expected, shell i=/t2& did what it's supposed to do. The wierd >>>part is that it's the DriveWire version of NitrOS-9, so when I type >>>DIR from HyperTerminal, the real CoCo is reading the virtual disk >>>stored on the laptop, so it just feels funny, but at least it worked. >>> >>>Test Case #1: the "Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak" runs a 6809 CoCo 3 >>>NitrOS-9 shell @ 9600 bps >>> >>>no pressure testing has been done past just browing some >>>directories and not missing any characters yet >>> >>>-- >>>Roger Taylor >> >> >>Let me add what I forgot to mention: >> >>The connection between the PC and CoCo are using both my CoCo-to-PC >>serial cable and my wireless RS-232 pak (with HDB-DOS/DriveWire in >>it). No real floppy controller is connected. The reason the cable >>is used is so I can boot into NitrOS-9 some way since my controller >>is causing me some OS-9 boot problems. >> >>Even though I opened a shell into NOS from the PC over the air, the >>CoCo is still accessing it's system disk FROM the PC over the >>bitbanger cable. Talk about a cool little situation. Anyway, I >>don't want to use the bitbanger connection or DriveWire so I'll be >>working on a solution to why I can't boot NitrOS-9 using my Super >>Controller 1. Once I get that working, the cable can go. > >Roger, > >You can eliminate the bitbanger cable several ways: > >1. Write your own NitrOS-9 booter and drivers that talk to the 6551 >and use your designed protocol to fetch sectors. >2. Extend your server software to talk the DriveWire 3 protocol, then >use the same NitrOS-9 bootfile to boot to your server. You don't have >to abandon your own disk sector protocol for this, just support a >DriveWire 3 mode. > >#1 requires work on the CoCo end, while #2 requires work on the PC >end. I would encourage you do do #2, as it would allow HDB-DOS >DriveWire 3 to talk to your server as well. > >Regards, >Boisy G. Pitre I'm basically just trying to answer those questions that were asked some weeks back. So I did what it took to get the latest copy of NitrOS-9 running based on my current system, because the Super Controller 1 won't let me boot any OS-9 bootable disk. I don't have time to research or debug tons of code to figure out what's going on there. I'm about to patch the 6551 driver here shortly to support the 115200 bps mode since I don't see it in the small number of supported baud rates. Might I suggest in the future to let the descriptors set the actual 6551 register values instead of limiting our baud rate choices to a handful vs. the total sprectrum that won't hurt OS-9 if they are used, especially those low ones. Keep bau= in there to work the same, but maybe add baucod= or something else that doesn't use a lookup table. Just a thought. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From linville at tuxdriver.com Wed Apr 1 13:29:25 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:29:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Deluxe Wireless RS-232 Pak test case with NitrOS-9 In-Reply-To: <20090401172112.0BC3E20A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401040451.46C1820A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401041839.1CCC220A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090401172112.0BC3E20A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090401172924.GA10198@tuxdriver.com> On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 12:20:38PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: > I'm about to patch the 6551 driver here shortly to support the 115200 > bps mode since I don't see it in the small number of supported baud > rates. Might I suggest in the future to let the descriptors set the > actual 6551 register values instead of limiting our baud rate choices to > a handful vs. the total sprectrum that won't hurt OS-9 if they are used, > especially those low ones. Keep bau= in there to work the same, but > maybe add baucod= or something else that doesn't use a lookup table. > Just a thought. Probably easier just to extend the table by one entry to support the "16x external clock" (i.e. 115200) mode... -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From cdiman7 at flash.net Wed Apr 1 15:02:00 2009 From: cdiman7 at flash.net (KARL SEFCIK) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest vendors: What were these? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <727479.51121.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Allen,? Just saw this as I was checking email, I'm not totally there yet. But before the fest, there was an email sayingf that ?if groups did not already have a banner made, that the show could not provide them with one. So some of therse names may be completely new. Lucky Corner is Howard Lucky's display I think.? Karl --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Allen Huffman wrote: From: Allen Huffman Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest vendors: What were these? To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:21 PM I'm helpless without a show guide. We will have to make a show guide for Glenside next year. Can anyone tell me what these tables were? Richard & Brenda Crislip - Frank Pittel - Griff-Art - Lost Wizard Enterprises - Luckey Corner - Thanks much. I'm finishing up my CoCoFEST! report -- the first I've done in a long, long time. -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From exwn8jef at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:33:44 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> References: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49D3DDB8.5010903@gmail.com> Hi Alan, Thanks for producing an outstanding report of the CoCoFest. I especially enjoyed your sense of humor. Have a great day! Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Allen Huffman wrote: > http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html > > > I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern > internet times... Should I post a text-only version here? > -- > Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! > Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com > > Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get > credit! > http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 17:48:53 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:48:53 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <49D3DDB8.5010903@gmail.com> References: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> <49D3DDB8.5010903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, just because YOU spell your name that way doesn't mean I do ;) Thanks. I have some things to fix and still have some blanks to fill in once someone helps me out with those blanks . . ! Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:33 PM, N8WQ wrote: > Hi Alan, > Thanks for producing an outstanding report of the CoCoFest. > I especially enjoyed your sense of humor. > Have a great day! > > Alan Jones > > -- > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Allen Huffman wrote: >> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html >> >> I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern >> internet times... Should I post a text-only version here? >> -- >> Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! >> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com >> >> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get >> credit! >> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From exwn8jef at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:03:12 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:03:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: References: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> <49D3DDB8.5010903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D3E4A0.4070704@gmail.com> Allen, As soon as I hit send I realized I mis-spelled your name. :( Sorry about that. My last boss mis-spelled my name all the time in emails. :) Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Allen Huffman wrote: > Hey, just because YOU spell your name that way doesn't mean I do ;) > > Thanks. I have some things to fix and still have some blanks to fill > in once someone helps me out with those blanks . . ! > > Sent from my iPhone > Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:33 PM, N8WQ wrote: > >> Hi Alan, >> Thanks for producing an outstanding report of the CoCoFest. >> I especially enjoyed your sense of humor. >> Have a great day! >> >> Alan Jones >> >> -- >> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio >> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home >> >> >> >> Allen Huffman wrote: >>> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html >>> >>> >>> I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern >>> internet times... Should I post a text-only version here? >>> -- >>> Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! >>> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com >>> >>> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get >>> credit! >>> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 1 18:05:34 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <628652424.1124881238623439202.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1810275364.1125381238623534583.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Ok, since we are on names.... Allen, Lindville -> Linville John is way to nice to say anything. :) What a GREAT fest.... Miss it!!!! Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 4:48:53 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoFest Report Hey, just because YOU spell your name that way doesn't mean I do ;) Thanks. I have some things to fix and still have some blanks to fill in once someone helps me out with those blanks . . ! Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:33 PM, N8WQ wrote: > Hi Alan, > Thanks for producing an outstanding report of the CoCoFest. > I especially enjoyed your sense of humor. > Have a great day! > > Alan Jones > > -- > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Allen Huffman wrote: >> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html >> >> I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern >> internet times... Should I post a text-only version here? >> -- >> Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! >> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com >> >> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get >> credit! >> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 18:41:50 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:41:50 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <1810275364.1125381238623534583.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <1810275364.1125381238623534583.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Allen, Lindville -> Linville Duly noted. And those who know me well enough, should be quite impressed I got as many names at least somewhat close this time around! I think I've had to fix Malcolm, and William Astal too (found that spelling on the Glenside page). I have started some brainstorming ideas over at the CoCopedia: http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/30th_Anniversary Right now, it's all "blue sky" -- anything can be added if it seems like it would be a cool idea. Then we will start pruning the list down to reality. -- Allen From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 1 18:51:07 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1888448166.1136411238626267877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Allen, Imagine what the name list would have been back in the late 80's...... :) Ya did very well. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:41:50 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCoFest Report On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Allen, Lindville -> Linville Duly noted. And those who know me well enough, should be quite impressed I got as many names at least somewhat close this time around! I think I've had to fix Malcolm, and William Astal too (found that spelling on the Glenside page). I have started some brainstorming ideas over at the CoCopedia: http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/30th_Anniversary Right now, it's all "blue sky" -- anything can be added if it seems like it would be a cool idea. Then we will start pruning the list down to reality. -- Allen -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 18:55:14 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:55:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <1888448166.1136411238626267877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <1888448166.1136411238626267877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1942CCC2-75CF-4235-8B71-6DD3E7BED5C5@pobox.com> On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Imagine what the name list would have been back in the late > 80's...... :) Maybe that's why I was bad at names then. The sad thing is, I've been "away" from the community long enough that I've forgotten people's names that I used to know! Always embarrassing. Okay, back to work. I am importing all my HD video from the Fest in full HD quality... Even though I should be working on some other video project. -- A From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 1 19:09:03 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:09:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> If you want any hope of loading a driver rather than adding it to the OS9Boot file, you must merge the driver and descriptors into a single file with attributes of e and/or pe. You probably will still get 207 errors on occasion but it should work partially. From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 19:49:02 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:49:02 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> At 06:09 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >If you want any hope of loading a driver rather than adding it to >the OS9Boot file, you must merge the driver and descriptors into a >single file with attributes of e and/or pe. You probably will still >get 207 errors on occasion but it should work partially. I'm aware of merging modules. I'm beyond the memory error now and the drivers are in the boot. How fun does this sound? Right now I'm using the Rainbow IDE to build an OS-9 floppy image with the 6551 stuff. I hope to whip up a 6551 boot module by tonight but I've got a lot more going on so it might take several days to get to it. Since I'm in the NitrOS-9/DriveWire environment for these tests (plug to Boisy), I just mount the disk as Drive 1 and from NOS type dir /x1 and there's my stuff ready to load or use in a new boot disk. os9asm.exe seems to be doing a good job from Windows if I have the right defs files available. In order to do this I had to get some of the NitrOS-9 source files over into my Rainbow project folder, like os9defs, scfdefs, boot_common.asm, etc. which were just copied from the SourceForge CVS files. All this development stuff just to write a new boot file in luxury. Whew. The result is that I can now click Go in the IDE and see the files in NitrOS-9 pretty much right away. The only catch is that DriveWire keeps a .dsk open so that nothing else can use it, so os9.exe from the IDE reports ERROR 214 if you try to build the project/disk again while DW3 has the same disk image mounted. CoCoNet gets around this by opening/closing images for every sector, yet it's still blazing fast! I ask of Boisy to at least consider doing this so that the Toolshed stuff can write to DW3-mounted disks. No major problem, though. Just being able to build OS-9 and NitrOS-9 floppies with actual content from Windows using Rainbow IDE is cool enough as it is. ;) -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 19:55:28 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:55:28 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> On Apr 1, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > How fun does this sound? Right now I'm using the Rainbow IDE to > build an OS-9 floppy image with the 6551 stuff. I hope to whip up You have a boot manager, cross hosted? You know, I think I need to check out this Rainbow IDE thing. I can run native Windows stuff on my Intel Mac and they mix with the normal floating windows of the Mac desktop (I can even click on a .rom on my desktop and it launches the VCC emulator and runs the ROM). Might be fun to check out. Roger, I have a few pics of your pak from the FEst. What is the ROM inside? http://www.disneyfans.com/photos/CoCoFests/Chicago2009/BluetoothRS232/index.htm -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 19:59:51 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:59:51 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Fest report updated... Message-ID: <83A210CD-4A5B-4846-A0D3-D13D479799C7@pobox.com> Some slight revisions (in red) to the Fest report: http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 21:11:26 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:11:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Fest pictures... Message-ID: <24CA220F-197B-4AAD-893E-1925BBE629AF@pobox.com> And I have added pictures to the report as well: http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html And I think I posted this here, but if not, all the photos are here: http://www.disneyfans.com/photos/CoCoFests/Chicago2009/index.htm I am importing all the video in full HD now, and will see what I can post to YouTube, maybe later tonight. -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 21:31:43 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:31:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week Message-ID: I don't know if anyone here ever watched Red Dwarf, a BBC sci-fi comedy that ran from around 1988 until 1998, but a series of three new specials airs next week in England, and they have some interesting promotional sites (and even a YouTube channel disguised as some Mars researcher): http://www.listerscominghome.co.uk/ Fun stuff. I can't wait. This totally takes me back to when I was using the CoCo, and right before I went to my first CoCoFest in 1990! -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 22:53:38 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:53:38 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20090402025415.D894A20A15@qs281.pair.com> At 06:55 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >On Apr 1, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>How fun does this sound? Right now I'm using the Rainbow IDE to >>build an OS-9 floppy image with the 6551 stuff. I hope to whip up > >You have a boot manager, cross hosted? > >You know, I think I need to check out this Rainbow IDE thing. I can >run native Windows stuff on my Intel Mac and they mix with the normal >floating windows of the Mac desktop (I can even click on a .rom on my >desktop and it launches the VCC emulator and runs the ROM). Might be >fun to check out. > >Roger, I have a few pics of your pak from the FEst. What is the ROM >inside? > >http://www.disneyfans.com/photos/CoCoFests/Chicago2009/BluetoothRS232/index.htm What's that DVD player thing next to the CoCo running my pak? It looks like it's running a CoCo emulator? Anyway, my pak has a modified copy of the stock Deluxe RS-232 Pak ROM in it. The only thing I changed was the lowest baud rate to say "HI" and it uses 115200 bps now. Using the ROM's terminal mode, a user can talk in English to the bluetooth module to change parameters and get information. >set baud 19200 ACK >set name COCO ACK >get name COCO >get address 00:0C:00:84:A4:81 etc. etc. Settings are retained until you change them or reset the pak. As for cross development, I can't take full credit for the ability to make an OS-9 disk from Windows because I'm using os9.exe and os9asm.exe which are not my own tools. However, I streamline the whole process by letting the IDE user tick some checkboxes here, some drop-down list boxes there, etc. For instance, for my 6551 boot module, I just created a new project... added a new assembly file in the tabs, copied and pasted one of the NitrOS-9 boot module's source code as a template, in the left panel chose OS9 Assembler as the builder, typed boot_6551 as the output object filename, in the Virtual Disk box I clicked the + sign and chose "os9.exe" as the imaging tool. I clicked Go and the boot module was assembled into an OS-9 virtual disk. I went over to the CoCo, typed dir /x1 and there was the binary copy of the boot module. If this sounds like fun, you should spend a rainy weekend playing around with the Rainbow IDE which does include a lot of these free tools in one package. A lot of popular assemblers are preinstalled and ready to use. my CCASM, Chet's CASM, Boisy's mamou which is just OS-9 asm in disguise, and many other cross assemblers for other CPUs. Rainbow is not just a CoCo IDE. It caters to almost the entire spectrum of vintage computers. You don't even have to know the CLI switches to do basic stuff. Just choose what you want to do from a listbox like "Listing" or "Symbols", or for the output object you can just choose "8K ROM" and if the assembler supports those options, the IDE will create all the commands and run them. You get to see all of this in the readout window as it's happening. It's no Visual Studio by any means, but it's nice. A few years ago I sold a copy to a Microsoft employee!! I've got an e-mail from him as well but never got too much in his business when I replied back. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From linville at tuxdriver.com Wed Apr 1 23:09:36 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:09:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20090402030936.GA25531@tuxdriver.com> On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 06:55:28PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 1, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> How fun does this sound? Right now I'm using the Rainbow IDE to build >> an OS-9 floppy image with the 6551 stuff. I hope to whip up > > You have a boot manager, cross hosted? > > You know, I think I need to check out this Rainbow IDE thing. I can run > native Windows stuff on my Intel Mac and they mix with the normal > floating windows of the Mac desktop (I can even click on a .rom on my > desktop and it launches the VCC emulator and runs the ROM). Might be fun > to check out. > > Roger, I have a few pics of your pak from the FEst. What is the ROM > inside? > > http://www.disneyfans.com/photos/CoCoFests/Chicago2009/BluetoothRS232/index.htm That's not the ROM Roger shipped. It is my CoCo port of the MON09 monitor program from the Dunfield tools package. John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From linville at tuxdriver.com Wed Apr 1 23:11:12 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:11:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090402025415.D894A20A15@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> <20090402025415.D894A20A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090402031112.GB25531@tuxdriver.com> On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 09:53:38PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 06:55 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >> On Apr 1, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>> How fun does this sound? Right now I'm using the Rainbow IDE to >>> build an OS-9 floppy image with the 6551 stuff. I hope to whip up >> >> You have a boot manager, cross hosted? >> >> You know, I think I need to check out this Rainbow IDE thing. I can >> run native Windows stuff on my Intel Mac and they mix with the normal >> floating windows of the Mac desktop (I can even click on a .rom on my >> desktop and it launches the VCC emulator and runs the ROM). Might be >> fun to check out. >> >> Roger, I have a few pics of your pak from the FEst. What is the ROM >> inside? >> >> http://www.disneyfans.com/photos/CoCoFests/Chicago2009/BluetoothRS232/index.htm > > > What's that DVD player thing next to the CoCo running my pak? It looks > like it's running a CoCo emulator? It is a DVD player, duh... :-) I set it to display the composite input, so it is acting as a monitor for the CoCo. John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 23:42:07 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:42:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090402030936.GA25531@tuxdriver.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> <20090402030936.GA25531@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <20090402034245.71BF420A13@qs281.pair.com> At 10:09 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 06:55:28PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >> How fun does this sound? Right now I'm using the Rainbow IDE to build > >> an OS-9 floppy image with the 6551 stuff. I hope to whip up > > > > You have a boot manager, cross hosted? > > > > You know, I think I need to check out this Rainbow IDE thing. I can run > > native Windows stuff on my Intel Mac and they mix with the normal > > floating windows of the Mac desktop (I can even click on a .rom on my > > desktop and it launches the VCC emulator and runs the ROM). Might be fun > > to check out. > > > > Roger, I have a few pics of your pak from the FEst. What is the ROM > > inside? > > > > > http://www.disneyfans.com/photos/CoCoFests/Chicago2009/BluetoothRS232/index.htm > >That's not the ROM Roger shipped. It is my CoCo port of the MON09 >monitor program from the Dunfield tools package. Cool, how does it work? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 1 23:43:06 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090402025415.D894A20A15@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> <20090402025415.D894A20A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > What's that DVD player thing next to the CoCo running my pak? It > looks like it's running a CoCo emulator? I noticed more than one of those. I think folks had figured out they could use a portable DVD player as a CoCo monitor! > Anyway, my pak has a modified copy of the stock Deluxe RS-232 Pak > ROM in it. The only thing I changed was the lowest baud rate to say > "HI" and it uses 115200 bps now. Using the ROM's terminal mode, a > user can talk in English to the bluetooth module to change > parameters and get information. Ah, gotcha. > etc. etc. Settings are retained until you change them or reset the > pak. Are those commands from the Bluetooth part itself? > A few years ago I sold a copy to a Microsoft employee!! I've got an > e-mail from him as well but never got too much in his business when > I replied back. I can't wait to check it out. -- Allen From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 1 23:52:29 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:52:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> <20090402025415.D894A20A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090402035307.3E58F20A13@qs281.pair.com> At 10:43 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >On Apr 1, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>What's that DVD player thing next to the CoCo running my pak? It >>looks like it's running a CoCo emulator? > >I noticed more than one of those. I think folks had figured out they >could use a portable DVD player as a CoCo monitor! > >>Anyway, my pak has a modified copy of the stock Deluxe RS-232 Pak >>ROM in it. The only thing I changed was the lowest baud rate to say >>"HI" and it uses 115200 bps now. Using the ROM's terminal mode, a >>user can talk in English to the bluetooth module to change >>parameters and get information. > >Ah, gotcha. > >>etc. etc. Settings are retained until you change them or reset the >>pak. > >Are those commands from the Bluetooth part itself? > >>A few years ago I sold a copy to a Microsoft employee!! I've got an >>e-mail from him as well but never got too much in his business when >>I replied back. > >I can't wait to check it out. > > -- Allen I was just looking for the PayPal receipt above and also found one from 2004 from a Microsoft person who bought the CoCo Collection CD. I remember that one made me kinda nervous. I even called my mama and said, Billy's coming for me. :) Just kidding... but it's 2009 already and Billy Boy hasn't come for me, so .... I think I'm good. :) -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 2 00:43:39 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:43:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] coco 3 prototype In-Reply-To: <49D27D41.3050805@optusnet.com.au> References: <49D27D41.3050805@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1AFB2996-13B0-4F6B-964A-6A305207B89C@pobox.com> You may have already done more work on the pictures than they: http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=4542#4542 From badfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 00:54:51 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:54:51 -0500 Subject: [Coco] coco 3 prototype In-Reply-To: <1AFB2996-13B0-4F6B-964A-6A305207B89C@pobox.com> References: <49D27D41.3050805@optusnet.com.au> <1AFB2996-13B0-4F6B-964A-6A305207B89C@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0904012154x44771d94g7fb8cc21db996151@mail.gmail.com> I must ask, where did you get those cards that you had no idea what they were? Just curious. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > You may have already done more work on the pictures than they: > > http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=4542#4542 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 2 01:03:48 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:03:48 -0500 Subject: [Coco] coco 3 prototype In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0904012154x44771d94g7fb8cc21db996151@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D27D41.3050805@optusnet.com.au> <1AFB2996-13B0-4F6B-964A-6A305207B89C@pobox.com> <9efa17da0904012154x44771d94g7fb8cc21db996151@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9FEF3771-FC50-46DE-9AA1-4E27D1D8398D@pobox.com> I should find the CoCoNutz newsletter with the story. These were protypes Microware used to do Basic and OS-9 Level 2 for Tandy. Are there specs on the Corvus chip on them? Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Sean wrote: > I must ask, where did you get those cards that you had no idea what > they were? > > Just curious. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Allen Huffman > wrote: >> You may have already done more work on the pictures than they: >> >> http://www.coco3.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=4542#4542 >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From coder32768 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 03:05:11 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:05:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Spidercide Message-ID: Is this the game where your space bar controlled a line in the middle of the screen, which you could turn off and on, and where there were a bunch of spiders roaming around aimlessly? The idea was to trap all the spiders in the upper half of the screen. The game constantly played a MIDI version of the Beatles' "When I'm 64". Aaaauauauaugh! That game used to drive me crazy! So simple but so frigging hard! I have a love/hate relationship with that game and used to play it for hours. - Rick From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 2 08:14:43 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:14:43 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Coco4 - C64 style??? Message-ID: <49D4AC33.5090005@iinet.net.au> Interesting post on cbm-hackers mailing list... Apparently there's a cbmbasic for unix that people are discovering, and now there's talk about adding a VIC (graphics) and/or SID (audio) core to it... ...sound familiar? ;) Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From snhirsch at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 08:18:37 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] coco 3 prototype In-Reply-To: <9FEF3771-FC50-46DE-9AA1-4E27D1D8398D@pobox.com> References: <49D27D41.3050805@optusnet.com.au> <1AFB2996-13B0-4F6B-964A-6A305207B89C@pobox.com> <9efa17da0904012154x44771d94g7fb8cc21db996151@mail.gmail.com> <9FEF3771-FC50-46DE-9AA1-4E27D1D8398D@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Allen Huffman wrote: > I should find the CoCoNutz newsletter with the story. These were protypes > Microware used to do Basic and OS-9 Level 2 for Tandy. That's supporting evidence for the existance of Corvus drivers and utilities for the CoCo. It would be terrific if they turn up. > Are there specs on the Corvus chip on them? I'd be interested in this also, since the custom logic (gate array) chips on the CoCo Transporter cards appear to be the same ones used on their IBM PC interface. Best guess says that only the programming API was made public, since 3rd-party developers wouldn't have a need to know about proprietary hardware. If it follows the pattern of their other Transporter cards (Apple 2, etc.) there's a small amount of static ram used as a sector buffer between the drive unit and the host memory. I have a pile of the OEM developer docs here and I think they are general enough to apply to all hosts if you squint a bit. Steve -- From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 2 08:20:55 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:20:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] .vdk files Message-ID: <001e01c9b38d$793be9a0$6bb3bce0$@rr.com> I found a couple of Machine Language Tutorial files on excalibur.net (N.D.U.G - Machine Language Tutorial 2.vdk.zip) and when I unarchived them, they were .vdk files. How do I use them, or read them, or access them? Thanks From linville at tuxdriver.com Thu Apr 2 09:46:03 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:46:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090402034245.71BF420A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401025752.1821720A15@qs281.pair.com> <476A0A53-0A5F-4797-A313-9AB9A2A3A389@tee-boy.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <20090401234939.1965420A14@qs281.pair.com> <68C41342-E685-4386-8F97-0DA3B8AFC7D9@pobox.com> <20090402030936.GA25531@tuxdriver.com> <20090402034245.71BF420A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090402134602.GA3316@tuxdriver.com> On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:42:07PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 10:09 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >> That's not the ROM Roger shipped. It is my CoCo port of the MON09 >> monitor program from the Dunfield tools package. > > > Cool, how does it work? Well the base MON09 code talks over the serial port. It didn't require much work beyond relocating it, although it does expect two serial ports by default. I made some minor modifications to convince it to use only one serial port and commented-out some of the commands related to using more than one. What you see in Allen's picture is the startup routine I wrapped around MON09. It enables you to change the baud rate, and it implements a simple terminal program so that you can manage your connection from the CoCo side as necessary. On the bluetooth pak you can do scans and connect or disconnect, etc. If it were the RS pak you might setup a modem connection or talk to a host at the other end. Once the connection is established you use the BREAK key to start the monitor itself. The monitor program allows you to display memory (hex or disassembly), modify memory, load code, set breakpoints, run code, step through the code after a breakpoint, etc. It is _extremely_ useful for debugging code and having a nice, fast development cycle. Plus it gives you a window onto the machine without requiring the use of the CoCo's video or keyboard -- so debugging graphical programs is just as easy as non-graphical ones. Dave Dunfield was nice enough to let me distribute binaries to CoCoFEST! attendees, but only during the CoCoFEST!. If anyone wants to buy Dunfield's XTOOLS package (which contains the MON09 sources), I'll be happy to help them replicate what I have done: http://www.dunfield.com/products/xtools.htm Beyond that, I'm not sure where I'll go with this. What I have now meets my needs quite well, but it would be nice to be able to share it more easily. If there seemed to be more interest, I might rip-out the MON09 bits and recreate the project using ASSIST09 or some other monitor. But judging from the level of interest at the CoCoFEST!, I'm not sure that would be worth much of my time... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From farna at att.net Thu Apr 2 11:05:49 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:05:49 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report Message-ID: <49D4D44D.3090505@att.net> I see lots of faces I recall in the photos, but can't always put the right names to them! a few have changed a good bit from when I last saw them -- Boisy and Mark for sure (but I still recognized them!) -- but others such as Allen, Alan, Tony & Linda, and Bro. Jeremy haven't changed much at all. Can't help but wonder if anyone would recognize me, but I don't think I've changed that much. I know there's one night at a Chicago fest that Tony, Linda, and Allen will never forget! Seems like someone else was with us (Tony wasn't, he was LOOKING for us!), but I don't recall who... Allen?? Maybe next year I can get out to the fest just for old times sake, not sure right now. I hope I do get out there before the REAL last one passes! I don't even mess with an emulator any more, not after finding out that I couldn't get the video right on my old HP (486) laptop. I finally gave that thing away. Wanted to set it up so it booted straight into the DOS emulator, just for fun (sort of make a "CoCo4" laptop), but that old Omnibook 6000 used some funky video chip or circuitry that the emulator just didn't like. Might work on my P3 Thinkpad 600e, but haven't had time to even try that! I still like to keep up here on the list though, and might yet find time to pull one of the two CoCos I still have out. I saved a couple I thought might be collectible one day -- a grey CoCo1 that is either the first model capable of 64K or the last grey one (hmm... might be one and the same!), and a CoCo2B. Sold my two custom CoCo3s year ago because they were still very usable at the time, and I didn't want to let them sit in a closet and gather dust when someone would enjoy having them. ----------- Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:55:14 -0500 From: Allen Huffman On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > > Imagine what the name list would have been back in the late > > 80's...... :) > Maybe that's why I was bad at names then. The sad thing is, I've been "away" from the community long enough that I've forgotten people's names that I used to know! Always embarrassing. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From boisy at tee-boy.com Thu Apr 2 11:15:59 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:15:59 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <49D4D44D.3090505@att.net> References: <49D4D44D.3090505@att.net> Message-ID: Frank, I have to ask... how do you think Mark and I have changed?? :) Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Frank Swygert wrote: > I see lots of faces I recall in the photos, but can't always put the > right names to them! a few have changed a good bit from when I last > saw them -- Boisy and Mark for sure (but I still recognized them!) > -- but others such as Allen, Alan, Tony & Linda, and Bro. Jeremy > haven't changed much at all. Can't help but wonder if anyone would > recognize me, but I don't think I've changed that much. I know > there's one night at a Chicago fest that Tony, Linda, and Allen will > never forget! Seems like someone else was with us (Tony wasn't, he > was LOOKING for us!), but I don't recall who... Allen?? > Maybe next year I can get out to the fest just for old times sake, > not sure right now. I hope I do get out there before the REAL last > one passes! > I don't even mess with an emulator any more, not after finding out > that I couldn't get the video right on my old HP (486) laptop. I > finally gave that thing away. Wanted to set it up so it booted > straight into the DOS emulator, just for fun (sort of make a "CoCo4" > laptop), but that old Omnibook 6000 used some funky video chip or > circuitry that the emulator just didn't like. Might work on my P3 > Thinkpad 600e, but haven't had time to even try that! > I still like to keep up here on the list though, and might yet find > time to pull one of the two CoCos I still have out. I saved a couple > I thought might be collectible one day -- a grey CoCo1 that is > either the first model capable of 64K or the last grey one (hmm... > might be one and the same!), and a CoCo2B. Sold my two custom CoCo3s > year ago because they were still very usable at the time, and I > didn't want to let them sit in a closet and gather dust when someone > would enjoy having them. > ----------- > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:55:14 -0500 > From: Allen Huffman > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > >> > Imagine what the name list would have been back in the late > >> 80's...... :) > > Maybe that's why I was bad at names then. The sad thing is, I've > been "away" from the community long enough that I've forgotten > people's names that I used to know! Always embarrassing. > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Thu Apr 2 12:09:02 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:09:02 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Spidercide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090402160945.92CE020A13@qs281.pair.com> At 02:05 AM 4/2/2009, you wrote: > >Is this the game where your space bar controlled a line in the middle of the >screen, which you could turn off and on, and where there were a bunch of >spiders roaming around aimlessly? >The idea was to trap all the spiders in the upper half of the screen. The >game constantly played a MIDI version of the Beatles' "When I'm 64". > >Aaaauauauaugh! That game used to drive me crazy! So simple but so frigging >hard! I have a love/hate relationship with that game and used to play it for >hours. > >- Rick I remember writing it to where it was *just* difficult enough to tick the player off into trying again, and again, and again. I put the same touch into the Jeweled game. There's just something there can keep you playing longer than you first intended to. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 13:04:24 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues Message-ID: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> Hi all, I just got Drivewire 3 burnt onto an EPROM and put it in a ROM Pak. It is a great product and a marvelous gift to the CoCo community. Thanks Cloud-9! I have two issues with Drivewire 3: 1. Is it just me, or DW3 disables the CoCo 3 "Super" Extended Color Basic? The startup message reads: DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC 1.1 COPYRIGHT (C) 1982 BY TANDY UNDER LICENSE FROM MICROSOFT HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 3 The SECB commands are all disabled. I especially miss WIDTH and PALETTE (since I use a monochrome monitor). More importantly, some games have a Basic loader containing SECB tokens, and I cannot run them for this reason. 2. I tried booting NitrOS-9 using the "nos96809l2_dw3.dsk" disk image. It does boot, but it doesn't allow me to input anything from the keyboard. However, I noticed the CoCo sends TIME requests to the DW3 host every minute, so I guess it is not frozen. Well, it's been 20 years or so since I last played with OS-9, so maybe there's a magic keystroke I don't remember. Thanks, Christian From boisy at tee-boy.com Thu Apr 2 13:09:03 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > Hi all, > > I just got Drivewire 3 burnt onto an EPROM and put it in a ROM Pak. > It is a great product and a marvelous gift to the CoCo community. > Thanks Cloud-9! > > I have two issues with Drivewire 3: > > 1. Is it just me, or DW3 disables the CoCo 3 "Super" Extended Color > Basic? The startup message reads: > > DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC 1.1 > COPYRIGHT (C) 1982 BY TANDY > UNDER LICENSE FROM MICROSOFT > > HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 3 > > The SECB commands are all disabled. I especially miss WIDTH and > PALETTE (since I use a monochrome monitor). More importantly, some > games have a Basic loader containing SECB tokens, and I cannot run > them for this reason. Christian, Something is wrong. You should see the entire SECB sign-on on a CoCo 3, and all the new SECB commands should work. What disk controller are you running the ROM in? > > 2. I tried booting NitrOS-9 using the "nos96809l2_dw3.dsk" disk > image. It does boot, but it doesn't allow me to input anything from > the keyboard. However, I noticed the CoCo sends TIME requests to the > DW3 host every minute, so I guess it is not frozen. Well, it's been > 20 years or so since I last played with OS-9, so maybe there's a > magic keystroke I don't remember. These are not problems that I or others have experienced. There must be something about your setup that is different. Please provide a list of what equipment you have. > > Thanks, > > Christian > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 2 13:26:00 2009 From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Subject: .vdk files Message-ID: <469504.64539.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bill. VDK images are Dragon computer images. As is you will not be able to display the contents on a coco computer. You will need a real dragon or dragon emulator to run these images. laters Briza Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 2 13:28:43 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b3b8$791f2b50$6b5d81f0$@rr.com> Mine reads DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC 2.1 COPYR. 1982, 1986 BY TANDY UNDER LICENSE FROM MICROSOFT AND MICROWARE SYSTEMS CORP. HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 3 OK but I have no clue about the WIDTH or PALETTE commands. give me a small prog that uses them (just a couple of lines) ps: I'm using an FD-502 controller I've not had any problems loading the NitrOS9 .dsk, nor any problems with running a couple of commands of my own in OS-9 > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Christian Lesage > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:04 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues > > Hi all, > > I just got Drivewire 3 burnt onto an EPROM and put it in a ROM Pak. It > is a great product and a marvelous gift to the CoCo community. Thanks > Cloud-9! > > I have two issues with Drivewire 3: > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 2 13:30:38 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:30:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Subject: .vdk files In-Reply-To: <469504.64539.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <469504.64539.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c9b3b8$bd5c31a0$381494e0$@rr.com> RATS!! I was hoping to get a little insight into ML programming. I've got enough emulators now. Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of brian palmer > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:26 PM > To: Coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Subject: .vdk files > > Hi Bill. > > VDK images are Dragon computer images. As is you will not be able to > display the contents on a coco computer. You will need a real dragon or > dragon emulator to run these images. > From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 13:32:41 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> Bonjour Boisy, Boisy Pitre wrote: > On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I just got Drivewire 3 burnt onto an EPROM and put it in a ROM Pak. >> It is a great product and a marvelous gift to the CoCo community. >> Thanks Cloud-9! >> >> I have two issues with Drivewire 3: >> >> 1. Is it just me, or DW3 disables the CoCo 3 "Super" Extended Color >> Basic? The startup message reads: >> >> DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC 1.1 >> COPYRIGHT (C) 1982 BY TANDY >> UNDER LICENSE FROM MICROSOFT >> >> HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 3 >> >> The SECB commands are all disabled. I especially miss WIDTH and >> PALETTE (since I use a monochrome monitor). More importantly, some >> games have a Basic loader containing SECB tokens, and I cannot run >> them for this reason. > > Christian, > > Something is wrong. You should see the entire SECB sign-on on a CoCo > 3, and all the new SECB commands should work. > > What disk controller are you running the ROM in? I don't use a disk controller. I removed the ROM from a "Shanghai" ROM Pak and replaced it with a 27C256. Since A14 (pin 27) is held high in the ROM Pak, I offset the code by $4000 (i.e. it starts at $4000 instead of $0000). So out of 32kb, only 16kb are usable. I now realize that there's probably a mechanism that allows the CoCo to check the ROM Pak size (8kb or 16kb). That's probably where my problems come from. The CoCo sees a 16kb ROM Pak while it should be an 8kb one, as if using a disk controller. So I guess I have to modify the ROM Pak, but how? It's been so long since I last played with CoCo hardware. >> 2. I tried booting NitrOS-9 using the "nos96809l2_dw3.dsk" disk >> image. It does boot, but it doesn't allow me to input anything from >> the keyboard. However, I noticed the CoCo sends TIME requests to the >> DW3 host every minute, so I guess it is not frozen. Well, it's been >> 20 years or so since I last played with OS-9, so maybe there's a >> magic keystroke I don't remember. > > These are not problems that I or others have experienced. There must > be something about your setup that is different. Please provide a > list of what equipment you have. A stock 128k CoCo 3, my custom ROM Pak, and a PC (Asus P2B running Windows XP Pro SP3). The PC's regional options are configured for "French (Canada)". Will it cause a problem when NitrOS-9 wants to get the date and time? Merci beaucoup, Christian From boisy at tee-boy.com Thu Apr 2 13:40:02 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:40:02 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > I don't use a disk controller. I removed the ROM from a "Shanghai" > ROM Pak and replaced it with a 27C256. Since A14 (pin 27) is held > high in the ROM Pak, I offset the code by $4000 (i.e. it starts at > $4000 instead of $0000). So out of 32kb, only 16kb are usable. I now > realize that there's probably a mechanism that allows the CoCo to > check the ROM Pak size (8kb or 16kb). That's probably where my > problems come from. The CoCo sees a 16kb ROM Pak while it should be > an 8kb one, as if using a disk controller. So I guess I have to > modify the ROM Pak, but how? It's been so long since I last played > with CoCo hardware. Christian, I think your problem is that you haven't cut pin 8 on the cartridge, and this is causing the program to auto start. Try cutting pin 8 on the cartridge and see if that helps. > >>> 2. I tried booting NitrOS-9 using the "nos96809l2_dw3.dsk" disk >>> image. It does boot, but it doesn't allow me to input anything >>> from the keyboard. However, I noticed the CoCo sends TIME requests >>> to the DW3 host every minute, so I guess it is not frozen. Well, >>> it's been 20 years or so since I last played with OS-9, so maybe >>> there's a magic keystroke I don't remember. >> >> These are not problems that I or others have experienced. There >> must be something about your setup that is different. Please >> provide a list of what equipment you have. > > A stock 128k CoCo 3, my custom ROM Pak, and a PC (Asus P2B running > Windows XP Pro SP3). The PC's regional options are configured for > "French (Canada)". Will it cause a problem when NitrOS-9 wants to > get the date and time? I don't think localization will affect the time format that goes to the CoCo. Try cutting pin 8 and see if that clears up the SECB problem and the keyboard issue. > > Merci beaucoup > > Christian > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 2 14:02:37 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:02:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201c9b3bd$35f6fe20$a1e4fa60$@rr.com> I went back to the book "Color Computer 3 Extended Basic" and find I can type the WIDTH and PALETTE commands, but I get an FC? ERROR when I try to use WIDTH 40 or WIDTH 80 in a simple program. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Christian Lesage > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:04 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues > > Hi all, > I have two issues with Drivewire 3: > > The SECB commands are all disabled. I especially miss WIDTH and PALETTE > (since I use a monochrome monitor From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 2 14:05:37 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:05:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <000201c9b3bd$35f6fe20$a1e4fa60$@rr.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <000201c9b3bd$35f6fe20$a1e4fa60$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000301c9b3bd$a22cddd0$e6869970$@rr.com> Sorry, my mistake, I did not put the PALETTE command before the WIDTH command. It works... > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:03 PM > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' > Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues > > I went back to the book "Color Computer 3 Extended Basic" and find I can > type the WIDTH and PALETTE commands, but I get an FC? ERROR when I try > to use WIDTH 40 or WIDTH 80 in a simple program. From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 14:05:12 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:05:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <49D4FE58.6000300@gmail.com> Boisy Pitre wrote: > On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > >> I don't use a disk controller. I removed the ROM from a "Shanghai" >> ROM Pak and replaced it with a 27C256. Since A14 (pin 27) is held >> high in the ROM Pak, I offset the code by $4000 (i.e. it starts at >> $4000 instead of $0000). So out of 32kb, only 16kb are usable. I now >> realize that there's probably a mechanism that allows the CoCo to >> check the ROM Pak size (8kb or 16kb). That's probably where my >> problems come from. The CoCo sees a 16kb ROM Pak while it should be >> an 8kb one, as if using a disk controller. So I guess I have to >> modify the ROM Pak, but how? It's been so long since I last played >> with CoCo hardware. > > Christian, > > I think your problem is that you haven't cut pin 8 on the cartridge, > and this is causing the program to auto start. Try cutting pin 8 on > the cartridge and see if that helps. Problem solved! Merci! Christian From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 14:10:33 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:10:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <000201c9b3bd$35f6fe20$a1e4fa60$@rr.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <000201c9b3bd$35f6fe20$a1e4fa60$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49D4FF99.8050303@gmail.com> Hi Bill, Boisy helped me solved my problem. As regards those two commands, they work well now. "?FC Error" stands for "Illegal Function Call". Christian Bill wrote: > I went back to the book "Color Computer 3 Extended Basic" and find I can > type the WIDTH and PALETTE commands, but I get an FC? ERROR when I try to > use WIDTH 40 or WIDTH 80 in a simple program. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Christian Lesage >> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:04 PM >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues >> >> Hi all, >> I have two issues with Drivewire 3: >> >> The SECB commands are all disabled. I especially miss WIDTH and PALETTE >> (since I use a monochrome monitor >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From boisy at tee-boy.com Thu Apr 2 14:17:30 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D4FE58.6000300@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> <49D4FE58.6000300@gmail.com> Message-ID: Christian, Bien bon! Did this also fix your keyboard issue in NitrOS-9? Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > Boisy Pitre wrote: >> On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: >> >>> I don't use a disk controller. I removed the ROM from a "Shanghai" >>> ROM Pak and replaced it with a 27C256. Since A14 (pin 27) is held >>> high in the ROM Pak, I offset the code by $4000 (i.e. it starts at >>> $4000 instead of $0000). So out of 32kb, only 16kb are usable. I >>> now realize that there's probably a mechanism that allows the >>> CoCo to check the ROM Pak size (8kb or 16kb). That's probably >>> where my problems come from. The CoCo sees a 16kb ROM Pak while it >>> should be an 8kb one, as if using a disk controller. So I guess I >>> have to modify the ROM Pak, but how? It's been so long since I >>> last played with CoCo hardware. >> >> Christian, >> >> I think your problem is that you haven't cut pin 8 on the >> cartridge, and this is causing the program to auto start. Try >> cutting pin 8 on the cartridge and see if that helps. > > Problem solved! > > Merci! > > Christian > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From flexser at fiu.edu Thu Apr 2 14:18:22 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:18:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: To run code in a ROM pack, you have to be in ROM mode, which is inconsistent with having Super Extended Basic available. Maybe you could block move the code to low memory and run it from there in the RAM/ROM mode. Art On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > Hi all, > > I just got Drivewire 3 burnt onto an EPROM and put it in a ROM Pak. It is a > great product and a marvelous gift to the CoCo community. Thanks Cloud-9! > > I have two issues with Drivewire 3: > > 1. Is it just me, or DW3 disables the CoCo 3 "Super" Extended Color Basic? > The startup message reads: > > DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC 1.1 > COPYRIGHT (C) 1982 BY TANDY > UNDER LICENSE FROM MICROSOFT > > HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 3 > > The SECB commands are all disabled. I especially miss WIDTH and PALETTE > (since I use a monochrome monitor). More importantly, some games have a > Basic loader containing SECB tokens, and I cannot run them for this reason. > > 2. I tried booting NitrOS-9 using the "nos96809l2_dw3.dsk" disk image. It > does boot, but it doesn't allow me to input anything from the keyboard. > However, I noticed the CoCo sends TIME requests to the DW3 host every > minute, so I guess it is not frozen. Well, it's been 20 years or so since I > last played with OS-9, so maybe there's a magic keystroke I don't remember. > > Thanks, > > Christian > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 14:23:18 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> <49D4FE58.6000300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D50296.90405@gmail.com> Boisy Pitre wrote: > > Did this also fix your keyboard issue in NitrOS-9? Oui! Now I wish I could remember how to change the background color to white, as the default green is hardly readable on a monochrome composite monitor. Typing "montype m" hardly solves this problem, as it disables the color burst but leaves me with a black on dark gray display. Christian From boisy at tee-boy.com Thu Apr 2 14:27:48 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:27:48 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D50296.90405@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> <49D4FE58.6000300@gmail.com> <49D50296.90405@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try: display 1b 33 0 The 0 may be a 1... I don't remember. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > Boisy Pitre wrote: >> >> Did this also fix your keyboard issue in NitrOS-9? > > Oui! Now I wish I could remember how to change the background color > to white, as the default green is hardly readable on a monochrome > composite monitor. Typing "montype m" hardly solves this problem, as > it disables the color burst but leaves me with a black on dark gray > display. > > Christian > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 14:27:42 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:27:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D5039E.80600@gmail.com> Arthur Flexser wrote: > To run code in a ROM pack, you have to be in ROM mode, which is > inconsistent with having Super Extended Basic available. Maybe you > could block move the code to low memory and run it from there in the > RAM/ROM mode. > It works now. If my memory serves me well, the CoCo 3 copies all ROM (including the disk controller ROM or, in my case, the ROM I put in a ROM Pak) to RAM on startup, and patches the code once it is in RAM. However, as Boisy pointed out, if you want such a behavior to happen, your ROM Pak should not be made to autostart. Christian > Art > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I just got Drivewire 3 burnt onto an EPROM and put it in a ROM Pak. It is a >> great product and a marvelous gift to the CoCo community. Thanks Cloud-9! >> >> I have two issues with Drivewire 3: >> >> 1. Is it just me, or DW3 disables the CoCo 3 "Super" Extended Color Basic? >> The startup message reads: >> >> DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC 1.1 >> COPYRIGHT (C) 1982 BY TANDY >> UNDER LICENSE FROM MICROSOFT >> >> HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 3 >> >> The SECB commands are all disabled. I especially miss WIDTH and PALETTE >> (since I use a monochrome monitor). More importantly, some games have a >> Basic loader containing SECB tokens, and I cannot run them for this reason. >> >> 2. I tried booting NitrOS-9 using the "nos96809l2_dw3.dsk" disk image. It >> does boot, but it doesn't allow me to input anything from the keyboard. >> However, I noticed the CoCo sends TIME requests to the DW3 host every >> minute, so I guess it is not frozen. Well, it's been 20 years or so since I >> last played with OS-9, so maybe there's a magic keystroke I don't remember. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Christian >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 14:31:47 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:31:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> <49D4FE58.6000300@gmail.com> <49D50296.90405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D50493.7070300@gmail.com> Cool! Now, let's find out how to change the border color as well! Christian Boisy Pitre wrote: > Try: > > display 1b 33 0 > > The 0 may be a 1... I don't remember. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > >> Boisy Pitre wrote: >>> >>> Did this also fix your keyboard issue in NitrOS-9? >> >> Oui! Now I wish I could remember how to change the background color >> to white, as the default green is hardly readable on a monochrome >> composite monitor. Typing "montype m" hardly solves this problem, as >> it disables the color burst but leaves me with a black on dark gray >> display. >> From farna at att.net Thu Apr 2 14:33:26 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report Message-ID: <49D504F6.6030703@att.net> Well, nothing bad at all -- just obviously older! You were still in college the last time I remember seeing you in person. I'm sure I look that way too. Allen and Bro. Jeremy just don't seem to have changed that much. Allen is a little more "filled out" (I remember when he was an all-but-scrawny high school kid!), and I think Bro. Jeremy has a touch more gray.... James Jones even looks about the same! I think Tony has put on a few pounds (like me!)... ----------- Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:15:59 -0500 From: Boisy Pitre Frank, I have to ask... how do you think Mark and I have changed?? :) -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From boisy at tee-boy.com Thu Apr 2 14:37:07 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:37:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D50493.7070300@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> <49D4FE58.6000300@gmail.com> <49D50296.90405@gmail.com> <49D50493.7070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FB3956E-4D40-4310-B6F0-103BA9786408@tee-boy.com> Sorry I should have made that clear as well: display 1b 32 xxx (foreground text color) display 1b 34 xxx (border color) Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > Cool! Now, let's find out how to change the border color as well! > > Christian > > Boisy Pitre wrote: >> Try: >> >> display 1b 33 0 >> >> The 0 may be a 1... I don't remember. >> >> Regards, >> Boisy G. Pitre >> -- >> Tee-Boy >> Mobile: 337.781.3570 >> Email: boisy at tee-boy.com >> Web: http://www.tee-boy.com >> >> On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: >> >>> Boisy Pitre wrote: >>>> >>>> Did this also fix your keyboard issue in NitrOS-9? >>> >>> Oui! Now I wish I could remember how to change the background >>> color to white, as the default green is hardly readable on a >>> monochrome composite monitor. Typing "montype m" hardly solves >>> this problem, as it disables the color burst but leaves me with a >>> black on dark gray display. >>> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 2 14:37:17 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:37:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D50493.7070300@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> <9839EA9A-7CB6-4C74-A074-6F5B01A43359@tee-boy.com> <49D4F6B9.50002@gmail.com> <48ACD3F5-1CA4-4DA2-9556-0319A9E047B0@tee-boy.com> <49D4FE58.6000300@gmail.com> <49D50296.90405@gmail.com> <49D50493.7070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c9b3c2$0cfa5710$26ef0530$@rr.com> "display 1b 34 00 1b 32 08 1b 33 00" gives me a white screen w/border and black type > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Christian Lesage > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:32 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues > > Cool! Now, let's find out how to change the border color as well! > From deek at d2dc.net Thu Apr 2 15:32:10 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:32:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Spidercide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D512BA.2060502@d2dc.net> Rick Taylor wrote: > > Is this the game where your space bar controlled a line in the middle of the > screen, which you could turn off and on, and where there were a bunch of > spiders roaming around aimlessly? Well, you could look at it instead as getting to play the part of Maxwell's demon. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 2 18:14:20 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:14:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape Message-ID: <000501c9b3e0$5f4f2b80$1ded8280$@rr.com> Does anyone have either of these items? I am looking for one program on that is supposed to be on or both one of them. Or if you have the Rainbow magazine itself, I would love a scan of the article "A Special Use for the DOS Command" on page 140. Thanks From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 2 19:05:12 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <49D4D44D.3090505@att.net> References: <49D4D44D.3090505@att.net> Message-ID: <583267A7-462F-4A7E-8C25-C32416F23A7B@pobox.com> On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Frank Swygert wrote: > haven't changed much at all. Can't help but wonder if anyone would > recognize me, but I don't think I've changed that much. I know > there's one night at a Chicago fest that Tony, Linda, and Allen will > never forget! Seems like someone else was with us (Tony wasn't, he > was LOOKING for us!), but I don't recall who... Allen?? Hey, I was out of high school by then! I just wasn't quite drinking age when I went to my first 1990 Atlanta Fest. On that night, it was just you, me, and Linda... And I have video. I even played a bit of it last year at the Fest, and it will make a triumphant appearance on DVD soon . . . unless you want to talk me out of it with a bribe ;-) > Maybe next year I can get out to the fest just for old times sake, > not sure right now. I hope I do get out there before the REAL last > one passes! 30th Anniversary. Sounds like 2010 is the one, Frank. Considering your involvement with the community, you'd really be good to have there and do a talk of FARNA Systems and the World of 68 magazine! -- A From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 2 19:10:07 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:10:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Anyone willing to write an article about the Fest? In-Reply-To: <889830d00903292229l295a09cep909feca0ea406a16@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00903292229l295a09cep909feca0ea406a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <857B9B2E-1F8B-4251-A243-596D1D04C485@pobox.com> Do you still want a micro summary? I can do. On Mar 30, 2009, at 12:29 AM, Jim Cox wrote: > Hi All. > > I wasn't able to make to the Fest, but I would like to feature > something > about it in the 8-Bit Retro Blog. Would any of the Fest attendees be > willing to write a two or three (or more) > paragraph article? > > Also I am still looking for links for the links lists. Feel free to > send me > your suggestion. > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 2 19:17:33 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:17:33 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Spidercide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D5478D.7040009@iinet.net.au> Rick Taylor wrote: > Is this the game where your space bar controlled a line in the middle of the > screen, which you could turn off and on, and where there were a bunch of > spiders roaming around aimlessly? > > The idea was to trap all the spiders in the upper half of the screen. The > game constantly played a MIDI version of the Beatles' "When I'm 64". Apparently not. As Jeff mentioned, what you describe is a variant of the classic "Maxwell's Demon" game. I first played this game on the TRS-80 Model I. I'm sure _every_ 8-bit micro had their own version... Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From ALSPLACE at POBOX.COM Thu Apr 2 19:23:31 2009 From: ALSPLACE at POBOX.COM (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:23:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project Message-ID: Here's an idea I'd like to bounce off of everyone. A few years ago, right when the Glenside IDE interface came out, there was a guy who was using it to write a video player -- I cannot remember who it was, for the life of me! Does anyone know what I am talking about? I think he had made something that just blasted sectors from the hard drive and spit them out to the screen, and had digitized some stuff as a demo. How much work would it be to do something like that, perhaps playing video off of the SuperIDE Compact Flash card? It could be bare-metal assembly code -- but would need to be able to play files of whatever kind we convert to (a series of uncompressed frames, since storage space on the card is not really an issue). A bonus for doing sound. Something like this would be a heck of a demo (if somewhat unpractical). After seeing the link to the Timex Sinclair 1000 (that Sean sent from the Midwest Gaming Expo), I figure if that machine can do "video", we can do much more on the CoCo! -- Allen From nutz4coco at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 19:47:52 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:47:52 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Anyone willing to write an article about the Fest? In-Reply-To: <857B9B2E-1F8B-4251-A243-596D1D04C485@pobox.com> References: <889830d00903292229l295a09cep909feca0ea406a16@mail.gmail.com> <857B9B2E-1F8B-4251-A243-596D1D04C485@pobox.com> Message-ID: <889830d00904021647u6fd0d3eajfca68358f77b693@mail.gmail.com> Hi Al, A micro summary would be perfect! Shoot it to me as soon as you get it done, and I will post it to the blog. I plan to be adding a lot more links over the weekend too. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > Do you still want a micro summary? I can do. > On Mar 30, 2009, at 12:29 AM, Jim Cox wrote: > > Hi All. >> >> I wasn't able to make to the Fest, but I would like to feature something >> about it in the 8-Bit Retro Blog. Would any of the Fest attendees be >> willing to write a two or three (or more) >> paragraph article? >> >> Also I am still looking for links for the links lists. Feel free to send >> me >> your suggestion. >> >> Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 2 20:07:11 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:07:11 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Boisy, Lindville, Marlette: presentation slides? Message-ID: To those who gave presentations at the CoCoFEST!, I would like to know if I could get copies of your slides. As I put together the video, I would like to put the slides over the video image. I will be uploading the seminars privately to YouTube, then contact each of you to watch your video and make sure everything is okay before they get posted publicly. -- Allen From tlindner at macmess.org Thu Apr 2 20:42:46 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:42:46 -0700 Subject: [Coco] .vdk files In-Reply-To: <001e01c9b38d$793be9a0$6bb3bce0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1ixk3s4.k3ofbb1cqcc74M%tlindner@macmess.org> Bill wrote: > I found a couple of Machine Language Tutorial files on excalibur.net > (N.D.U.G - Machine Language Tutorial 2.vdk.zip) and when I unarchived them, > they were .vdk files. How do I use them, or read them, or access them? That's a format Paul Burgin created for his dragon emulator. It is a straight array of sectors with a fixed length header. I believe the MESS emulator supports it. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From badfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 21:05:17 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:05:17 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> Here's the links to the 'video' playing. Technically it was just a pure ML program: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3381641924/in/set-72157615746538685/ And this one is just a still of the setup. http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3380799975/in/set-72157615746538685/ On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > Here's an idea I'd like to bounce off of everyone. > > A few years ago, right when the Glenside IDE interface came out, there was a > guy who was using it to write a video player -- I cannot remember who it > was, for the life of me! Does anyone know what I am talking about? I think > he had made something that just blasted sectors from the hard drive and spit > them out to the screen, and had digitized some stuff as a demo. > > How much work would it be to do something like that, perhaps playing video > off of the SuperIDE Compact Flash card? It could be bare-metal assembly code > -- but would need to be able to play files of whatever kind we convert to (a > series of uncompressed frames, since storage space on the card is not really > an issue). ?A bonus for doing sound. > > Something like this would be a heck of a demo (if somewhat unpractical). > > After seeing the link to the Timex Sinclair 1000 (that Sean sent from the > Midwest Gaming Expo), I figure if that machine can do "video", we can do > much more on the CoCo! > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Allen > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From linville at tuxdriver.com Thu Apr 2 21:07:20 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:07:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Boisy, Lindville, Marlette: presentation slides? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090403010720.GA3289@tuxdriver.com> On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:07:11PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote: > To those who gave presentations at the CoCoFEST!, I would like to know > if I could get copies of your slides. As I put together the video, I > would like to put the slides over the video image. Sure: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/linville/cocofest2009/coco-crossdev.pdf > I will be uploading the seminars privately to YouTube, then contact each > of you to watch your video and make sure everything is okay before they > get posted publicly. Sounds good... John P.S. It is "Linville" -- no "d"... :-) -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From linville at tuxdriver.com Thu Apr 2 21:21:26 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:21:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> Any idea of the bandwidth available from SuperIDE or the TC^3? As for the video data, ffmpeg can bust videos into individual bitmap files like this: ffmpeg -i foo.avi -r 30 foo-%03d.bmp Then it would be straight-forward to convert the .bmp files into a raw stream of coco video data. This data could then be laid-out to a sequence of tracks on the disk. On playback, the sectors could be read sequentially and simply blasted to the video buffer, with some timing control to sequence the frames. Audio data could be mixed-in as well if there is enough badnwidth...? It seems simple enough...the bounding factors would be the disk bandwidth (frame rate) and the size of the disk (length of video). Hmmm...anyone wanna drive this? I have enough stuff going-on...but, maybe I can help? John On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:05:17PM -0500, Sean wrote: > Here's the links to the 'video' playing. Technically it was just a > pure ML program: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3381641924/in/set-72157615746538685/ > > And this one is just a still of the setup. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3380799975/in/set-72157615746538685/ > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > > Here's an idea I'd like to bounce off of everyone. > > > > A few years ago, right when the Glenside IDE interface came out, there was a > > guy who was using it to write a video player -- I cannot remember who it > > was, for the life of me! Does anyone know what I am talking about? I think > > he had made something that just blasted sectors from the hard drive and spit > > them out to the screen, and had digitized some stuff as a demo. > > > > How much work would it be to do something like that, perhaps playing video > > off of the SuperIDE Compact Flash card? It could be bare-metal assembly code > > -- but would need to be able to play files of whatever kind we convert to (a > > series of uncompressed frames, since storage space on the card is not really > > an issue). ?A bonus for doing sound. > > > > Something like this would be a heck of a demo (if somewhat unpractical). > > > > After seeing the link to the Timex Sinclair 1000 (that Sean sent from the > > Midwest Gaming Expo), I figure if that machine can do "video", we can do > > much more on the CoCo! > > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Allen > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From operator at coco3.com Thu Apr 2 21:30:32 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:30:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire 3 issues In-Reply-To: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> References: <49D4F018.3090707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090403013114.AE0B720A15@qs281.pair.com> At 12:04 PM 4/2/2009, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I just got Drivewire 3 burnt onto an EPROM and put it in a ROM Pak. >It is a great product and a marvelous gift to the CoCo community. >Thanks Cloud-9! You have the Auto-Start jumper set for your controller or ROM Pak. Oddly enough, Disk BASIC still boots this way but it overrides the CoCo 3 stuff. Also, CoCo 3 users trying to patch their Disk BASIC ROM while it's in RAM and saving out the image to burn to an EPROM should know that the ROM won't run right on a CoCo 1 or 2. The correct way to patch the Disk BASIC "2.1" ROM is to run an All-RAM routine first that recopies the original BASIC, ECB, and Disk BASIC ROMs into RAM, perform the patches, then save the images. Depending on the situation and the ROMs in use, this might not work sometimes.... A cure I came up with is a new feature in CCASM that lets you write DOS patch programs that are merged with an existing ROM image file to create a ready-to-burn ROM. For example, a typical CoCo 3 DOS patcher is a LOADM'able file with multiple ORG statements that jump around the DOS ROM/RAM making changes. CCASM assembles the LOADM file then overlays it with a copy of Disk BASIC 1.1. The resulting ROM is naturally compatible with all CoCos that can use a disk controller. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From boisy at tee-boy.com Thu Apr 2 20:09:03 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Boisy, Lindville, Marlette: presentation slides? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CBE5352-DA86-4153-AE3B-65A4F0D3651D@tee-boy.com> Allen, I can get you that. BTW, it's LINVILLE, not LINDVILLE. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:07 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > To those who gave presentations at the CoCoFEST!, I would like to > know if I could get copies of your slides. As I put together the > video, I would like to put the slides over the video image. > > I will be uploading the seminars privately to YouTube, then contact > each of you to watch your video and make sure everything is okay > before they get posted publicly. > > -- Allen > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From coder32768 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 22:52:46 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:52:46 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Spidercide In-Reply-To: <20090402160945.92CE020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090402160945.92CE020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: AHA! So *you're* the culprit! Loved the game, man. On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 02:05 AM 4/2/2009, you wrote: > >> < >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400032102644&category=11988&_trksid=p3907.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%252BIA%252BUCI%26otn%3D14%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54 >> >< >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400032102644&category=11988&_trksid=p3907.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%252BIA%252BUCI%26otn%3D14%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54 >> > >> >> Is this the game where your space bar controlled a line in the middle of >> the >> screen, which you could turn off and on, and where there were a bunch of >> spiders roaming around aimlessly? >> > > > > The idea was to trap all the spiders in the upper half of the screen. The >> game constantly played a MIDI version of the Beatles' "When I'm 64". >> >> Aaaauauauaugh! That game used to drive me crazy! So simple but so frigging >> hard! I have a love/hate relationship with that game and used to play it >> for >> hours. >> >> - Rick >> > > > I remember writing it to where it was *just* difficult enough to tick the > player off into trying again, and again, and again. I put the same touch > into the Jeweled game. There's just something there can keep you playing > longer than you first intended to. > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From exwn8jef at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 22:55:04 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:55:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape In-Reply-To: <000501c9b3e0$5f4f2b80$1ded8280$@rr.com> References: <000501c9b3e0$5f4f2b80$1ded8280$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49D57A88.6000202@gmail.com> Brother Bill, I have that issue. I am just now going to bed, but I can scan and email that article for you tommorrow morning. Good night! Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Bill wrote: > Does anyone have either of these items? I am looking for one program on that > is supposed to be on or both one of them. Or if you have the Rainbow > magazine itself, I would love a scan of the article "A Special Use for the > DOS Command" on page 140. > > Thanks > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 2 23:03:18 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:03:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape In-Reply-To: <49D57A88.6000202@gmail.com> References: <000501c9b3e0$5f4f2b80$1ded8280$@rr.com> <49D57A88.6000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9b408$bd997a60$38cc6f20$@rr.com> Thanks, my friend. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:55 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape > > Brother Bill, > I have that issue. I am just now going to bed, but I can scan and email > that article for you tommorrow morning. Good night! > From joef6809 at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 02:39:36 2009 From: joef6809 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:39:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] No sound in Rampage or Digger II under VCC Help! Message-ID: <68BF747284A44785B111021F79CE5E1A@LT1> A few months ago someone had Emailed saying they were not getting sound in RamPage! and Digger II. I've finally had the time to look into it and traced it to a bug in the way VCC handles timer interupts. As I have a copy (Legal) of RamPage! I can verify that it does work now however I don't have, nor can I find a copy of digger II. Does anyone either 1) have a copy they can send me for testing (dsk image) or failing that be willing to test the new version of VCC to verify the sound does indeed work in Digger II now. Thanks. BTW incase anyone is interested the docs say that writting 0 to 0xFF94 and 0xFF95 stops the timer. It seems this is not entirely true. The interupt that's "in the pipe" still occurs and then the interupts stop. At least that seems to have been the problem. From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Fri Apr 3 03:57:57 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:57:57 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> John W. Linville wrote: > It seems simple enough...the bounding factors would be the disk bandwidth > (frame rate) and the size of the disk (length of video). > > Hmmm...anyone wanna drive this? I have enough stuff going-on...but, > maybe I can help? I'm usually all for these "because we can" exercises (and guilty of a few myself) but I must admit that I don't really see the point in this one at all. There's nothing particularly technically challenging - just streaming pre-formatted data to video memory off disk - and the results, 16 colours at whatever resolution is supported by the bandwidth, wouldn't be particularly exciting. But each to their own, I guess! Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 3 08:31:08 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:31:08 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Mark McDougall wrote: > I'm usually all for these "because we can" exercises (and guilty of > a few myself) but I must admit that I don't really see the point in > this one at all. There's nothing particularly technically > challenging - just streaming pre-formatted data to video memory off > disk - and the results, 16 colours at whatever resolution is > supported by the bandwidth, wouldn't be particularly exciting. To get attention. "Video Player for TRS-80" would probably get a bit of hits in the blog- o-sphere, and help us call attention to the impending 30th Anniversary. Promotion is all about gimmicks, and playing video on a 30 year old obsolete computer sure is gimmicky. It would make a heck of a demo :-) even if what is going on behind the scenes is not very complex. -- A From farna at att.net Fri Apr 3 08:40:21 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:40:21 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report Message-ID: <49D603B5.9080907@att.net> Hmmm.... yeah, you were out of high school, but could have went back and no one would have questioned you! I/'m not as old as a lot of the guys here, but at 47 I'm just a bit older than you. Maybe I'm just jealous... You're old enough to appreciate the old phrase "youth's wasted on the young" though! Good to "see" a few new younger guys (well, one or two in their 20s, more in their 30s) occasionally too. Maybe it was just the three of us then -- at least in my car. Long time ago! Maybe I'm thinking about others that went with us to the Hard Rock in another car. To be honest I really just remember that LONG trip back to the hotel, don't recall much about the restaurant! Oh, and I wouldn't deprive anyone of seeing what "fun" a fest could be!! 30th Anniversary sounds good. But will have to see. My parents want the wife and I to take a trip to Germany with them in the spring of 2010. Maybe moving the fest to the fall is an omen though? ----------- Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:05:12 -0500 From: Allen Huffman On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Frank Swygert wrote: > haven't changed much at all. Can't help but wonder if anyone would > recognize me, but I don't think I've changed that much. I know > there's one night at a Chicago fest that Tony, Linda, and Allen will > never forget! Seems like someone else was with us (Tony wasn't, he > was LOOKING for us!), but I don't recall who... Allen?? Hey, I was out of high school by then! I just wasn't quite drinking age when I went to my first 1990 Atlanta Fest. On that night, it was just you, me, and Linda... And I have video. I even played a bit of it last year at the Fest, and it will make a triumphant appearance on DVD soon . . . unless you want to talk me out of it with a bribe ;-) > Maybe next year I can get out to the fest just for old times sake, > not sure right now. I hope I do get out there before the REAL last > one passes! 30th Anniversary. Sounds like 2010 is the one, Frank. Considering your involvement with the community, you'd really be good to have there and do a talk of FARNA Systems and the World of 68 magazine! -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From skwirl42 at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 08:47:38 2009 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:47:38 -0300 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/09, Allen Huffman wrote: > Promotion is all about gimmicks, and playing video on a 30 year old > obsolete computer sure is gimmicky. It would make a heck of a demo :-) even > if what is going on behind the scenes is not very complex. What would be best is if you could get all 64 colours displayed on an RGB monitor. The video could be compiled to machine code that's hardwired for each frame, and the base program just loads a frame of instructions off disk, which executes to fill the screen with the current frame. Or instead of constantly reading instructions, you have one set of instructions, and you just update the immediate part of the opcode with the values from disk. Self-modifying code isn't very elegant, but it's fast. If one were feeling motivated enough to do such a thing. Personally, I'm not all that interested in actually trying this out, since my CoCo is much too far away. :( It'd be an interesting possibility, and a challenge to get it looking good. I don't know what kind of frame rate you'd be able to get, but I think a CoCo 3 would be the minimum to do it fast enough to be impressive. -- James Dessart From exwn8jef at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 09:01:58 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:01:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape In-Reply-To: <000501c9b3e0$5f4f2b80$1ded8280$@rr.com> References: <000501c9b3e0$5f4f2b80$1ded8280$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49D608C6.6030502@gmail.com> Bill, I just sent you the article in a private email. If anyone else wants the article just let me know and I will send it to you. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Bill wrote: > Does anyone have either of these items? I am looking for one program on that > is supposed to be on or both one of them. Or if you have the Rainbow > magazine itself, I would love a scan of the article "A Special Use for the > DOS Command" on page 140. > > Thanks > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 3 09:24:22 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <1492456403.1554031238765062877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> I don't recall the exact values but SCSI was about twice as fast as IDE. Megaread times for TC^3 were ~11-12 seconds and 19-20seconds for IDE. Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:21:26 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project Any idea of the bandwidth available from SuperIDE or the TC^3? As for the video data, ffmpeg can bust videos into individual bitmap files like this: ffmpeg -i foo.avi -r 30 foo-%03d.bmp Then it would be straight-forward to convert the .bmp files into a raw stream of coco video data. This data could then be laid-out to a sequence of tracks on the disk. On playback, the sectors could be read sequentially and simply blasted to the video buffer, with some timing control to sequence the frames. Audio data could be mixed-in as well if there is enough badnwidth...? It seems simple enough...the bounding factors would be the disk bandwidth (frame rate) and the size of the disk (length of video). Hmmm...anyone wanna drive this? I have enough stuff going-on...but, maybe I can help? John On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:05:17PM -0500, Sean wrote: > Here's the links to the 'video' playing. Technically it was just a > pure ML program: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3381641924/in/set-72157615746538685/ > > And this one is just a still of the setup. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3380799975/in/set-72157615746538685/ > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > > Here's an idea I'd like to bounce off of everyone. > > > > A few years ago, right when the Glenside IDE interface came out, there was a > > guy who was using it to write a video player -- I cannot remember who it > > was, for the life of me! Does anyone know what I am talking about? I think > > he had made something that just blasted sectors from the hard drive and spit > > them out to the screen, and had digitized some stuff as a demo. > > > > How much work would it be to do something like that, perhaps playing video > > off of the SuperIDE Compact Flash card? It could be bare-metal assembly code > > -- but would need to be able to play files of whatever kind we convert to (a > > series of uncompressed frames, since storage space on the card is not really > > an issue). A bonus for doing sound. > > > > Something like this would be a heck of a demo (if somewhat unpractical). > > > > After seeing the link to the Timex Sinclair 1000 (that Sean sent from the > > Midwest Gaming Expo), I figure if that machine can do "video", we can do > > much more on the CoCo! > > > > -- Allen > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Fri Apr 3 09:28:07 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:28:07 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D60EE7.3080008@iinet.net.au> James Dessart wrote: > It'd be an interesting possibility, and a challenge to get it looking > good. I don't know what kind of frame rate you'd be able to get, but I > think a CoCo 3 would be the minimum to do it fast enough to be > impressive. Someone needs to either calculate (theoretically) or profile (experimentally) what sort of bandwidth you get sucking off an IDE on the Coco... I'm pretty sure the solution will be CPU bound - reading from the disk data register and blatting into video memory - so you're down to the sub-1MBps already. At 2bbp, 320x200x60Hz is 2Mbps... Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From vchester at setec-cr.com Fri Apr 3 10:26:36 2009 From: vchester at setec-cr.com (Chester A Patterson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:26:36 -0600 Subject: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape In-Reply-To: <49D608C6.6030502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E01456A4E@setec-server.SETEC.COM> Me! Me too please! Thanks. /Chester Costa Rica -----Original Message----- From: N8WQ [mailto:exwn8jef at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:02 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape Bill, I just sent you the article in a private email. If anyone else wants the article just let me know and I will send it to you. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Bill wrote: Does anyone have either of these items? I am looking for one program on that is supposed to be on or both one of them. Or if you have the Rainbow magazine itself, I would love a scan of the article "A Special Use for the DOS Command" on page 140. Thanks From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 3 10:34:29 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <1492456403.1554031238765062877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <1492456403.1554031238765062877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5449F39C-407A-4156-9398-76EE7FB5D326@pobox.com> Oh my. That big of a difference? Why is IDE slower? Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > > I don't recall the exact values but SCSI was about twice as fast as > IDE. > > Megaread times for TC^3 were ~11-12 seconds and 19-20seconds for IDE. > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Linville" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:21:26 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project > > Any idea of the bandwidth available from SuperIDE or the TC^3? > > As for the video data, ffmpeg can bust videos into individual bitmap > files like this: > > ffmpeg -i foo.avi -r 30 foo-%03d.bmp > > Then it would be straight-forward to convert the .bmp files into a raw > stream of coco video data. This data could then be laid-out to a > sequence of tracks on the disk. On playback, the sectors could be > read sequentially and simply blasted to the video buffer, with some > timing control to sequence the frames. Audio data could be mixed-in > as well if there is enough badnwidth...? > > It seems simple enough...the bounding factors would be the disk > bandwidth (frame rate) and the size of the disk (length of video). > > Hmmm...anyone wanna drive this? I have enough stuff going-on...but, > maybe I can help? > > John > > On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:05:17PM -0500, Sean wrote: >> Here's the links to the 'video' playing. Technically it was just a >> pure ML program: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3381641924/in/set-72157615746538685/ >> >> And this one is just a still of the setup. >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3380799975/in/set-72157615746538685/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Allen Huffman >> wrote: >>> Here's an idea I'd like to bounce off of everyone. >>> >>> A few years ago, right when the Glenside IDE interface came out, >>> there was a >>> guy who was using it to write a video player -- I cannot remember >>> who it >>> was, for the life of me! Does anyone know what I am talking about? >>> I think >>> he had made something that just blasted sectors from the hard >>> drive and spit >>> them out to the screen, and had digitized some stuff as a demo. >>> >>> How much work would it be to do something like that, perhaps >>> playing video >>> off of the SuperIDE Compact Flash card? It could be bare-metal >>> assembly code >>> -- but would need to be able to play files of whatever kind we >>> convert to (a >>> series of uncompressed frames, since storage space on the card is >>> not really >>> an issue). A bonus for doing sound. >>> >>> Something like this would be a heck of a demo (if somewhat >>> unpractical). >>> >>> After seeing the link to the Timex Sinclair 1000 (that Sean sent >>> from the >>> Midwest Gaming Expo), I figure if that machine can do "video", we >>> can do >>> much more on the CoCo! >>> >>> -- Allen >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 3 10:36:21 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:36:21 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <985D971E-E85C-4573-813C-2F7DCD9BF96A@pobox.com> If a ZX81 can do it... Also, a CoCo 1/2 player on vdg screen. Incredibly low rez like the Timex. I'm game! Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:47 AM, James Dessart wrote: > On 4/3/09, Allen Huffman wrote: >> Promotion is all about gimmicks, and playing video on a 30 year old >> obsolete computer sure is gimmicky. It would make a heck of a >> demo :-) even >> if what is going on behind the scenes is not very complex. > > What would be best is if you could get all 64 colours displayed on an > RGB monitor. The video could be compiled to machine code that's > hardwired for each frame, and the base program just loads a frame of > instructions off disk, which executes to fill the screen with the > current frame. Or instead of constantly reading instructions, you have > one set of instructions, and you just update the immediate part of the > opcode with the values from disk. Self-modifying code isn't very > elegant, but it's fast. > > If one were feeling motivated enough to do such a thing. Personally, > I'm not all that interested in actually trying this out, since my CoCo > is much too far away. :( > > It'd be an interesting possibility, and a challenge to get it looking > good. I don't know what kind of frame rate you'd be able to get, but I > think a CoCo 3 would be the minimum to do it fast enough to be > impressive. > > -- > James Dessart > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 3 10:41:09 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <5449F39C-407A-4156-9398-76EE7FB5D326@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1692472772.1583651238769669092.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> More registers and polling that is done. SCSI is setup to perform. No I don't want to get in to that debate. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 9:34:29 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project Oh my. That big of a difference? Why is IDE slower? Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > > I don't recall the exact values but SCSI was about twice as fast as > IDE. > > Megaread times for TC^3 were ~11-12 seconds and 19-20seconds for IDE. > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Linville" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:21:26 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project > > Any idea of the bandwidth available from SuperIDE or the TC^3? > > As for the video data, ffmpeg can bust videos into individual bitmap > files like this: > > ffmpeg -i foo.avi -r 30 foo-%03d.bmp > > Then it would be straight-forward to convert the .bmp files into a raw > stream of coco video data. This data could then be laid-out to a > sequence of tracks on the disk. On playback, the sectors could be > read sequentially and simply blasted to the video buffer, with some > timing control to sequence the frames. Audio data could be mixed-in > as well if there is enough badnwidth...? > > It seems simple enough...the bounding factors would be the disk > bandwidth (frame rate) and the size of the disk (length of video). > > Hmmm...anyone wanna drive this? I have enough stuff going-on...but, > maybe I can help? > > John > > On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:05:17PM -0500, Sean wrote: >> Here's the links to the 'video' playing. Technically it was just a >> pure ML program: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3381641924/in/set-72157615746538685/ >> >> And this one is just a still of the setup. >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/91071283 at N00/3380799975/in/set-72157615746538685/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Allen Huffman >> wrote: >>> Here's an idea I'd like to bounce off of everyone. >>> >>> A few years ago, right when the Glenside IDE interface came out, >>> there was a >>> guy who was using it to write a video player -- I cannot remember >>> who it >>> was, for the life of me! Does anyone know what I am talking about? >>> I think >>> he had made something that just blasted sectors from the hard >>> drive and spit >>> them out to the screen, and had digitized some stuff as a demo. >>> >>> How much work would it be to do something like that, perhaps >>> playing video >>> off of the SuperIDE Compact Flash card? It could be bare-metal >>> assembly code >>> -- but would need to be able to play files of whatever kind we >>> convert to (a >>> series of uncompressed frames, since storage space on the card is >>> not really >>> an issue). A bonus for doing sound. >>> >>> Something like this would be a heck of a demo (if somewhat >>> unpractical). >>> >>> After seeing the link to the Timex Sinclair 1000 (that Sean sent >>> from the >>> Midwest Gaming Expo), I figure if that machine can do "video", we >>> can do >>> much more on the CoCo! >>> >>> -- Allen >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 3 10:54:57 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:54:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape In-Reply-To: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E01456A4E@setec-server.SETEC.COM> References: <49D608C6.6030502@gmail.com> <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E01456A4E@setec-server.SETEC.COM> Message-ID: <002201c9b46c$28076250$781626f0$@rr.com> On it's way > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chester A Patterson > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:27 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] November 1984 Rainbow on Disk or Rainbow on Tape > > Me! Me too please! > Thanks. From linville at tuxdriver.com Fri Apr 3 10:47:56 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:47:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <1492456403.1554031238765062877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <1492456403.1554031238765062877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <20090403144756.GA3501@tuxdriver.com> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 01:24:22PM +0000, Mark Marlette wrote: > > I don't recall the exact values but SCSI was about twice as fast as IDE. > > Megaread times for TC^3 were ~11-12 seconds and 19-20seconds for IDE. At the risk of being branded a heretic or an ignoramous...what exactly does Megaread do? Simply read a megabyte of data? Or something more complex? It definitely seems like there are either serious resolution and/or frame rate limitations or a need for some serious cleverness to get something working... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From linville at tuxdriver.com Fri Apr 3 10:51:26 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090403145125.GB3501@tuxdriver.com> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:47:38AM -0300, James Dessart wrote: > On 4/3/09, Allen Huffman wrote: > > Promotion is all about gimmicks, and playing video on a 30 year old > > obsolete computer sure is gimmicky. It would make a heck of a demo :-) even > > if what is going on behind the scenes is not very complex. > > What would be best is if you could get all 64 colours displayed on an > RGB monitor. The video could be compiled to machine code that's > hardwired for each frame, and the base program just loads a frame of > instructions off disk, which executes to fill the screen with the > current frame. Or instead of constantly reading instructions, you have > one set of instructions, and you just update the immediate part of the > opcode with the values from disk. Self-modifying code isn't very > elegant, but it's fast. Dunno, my guess is that moving the data to the CoCo is a bigger problem than filling the video buffer. Loading from the disk blocks of code to fill the memory buffer would significantly increase the total data transfer (i.e. transferring code + data instead of just data). > It'd be an interesting possibility, and a challenge to get it looking > good. I don't know what kind of frame rate you'd be able to get, but I > think a CoCo 3 would be the minimum to do it fast enough to be > impressive. That probably depends on whom you are trying to impress... :-) John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 3 11:06:39 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <20090403144756.GA3501@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <1170927374.1592721238771199145.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Reads a meg of data RAW. point to the disk and it just reads data and counts bytes. Bob D. should be able to explain it much better.... load time megaread time;megaread /dd;time What is returned are two timestamps, delta yields megaread time. Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 9:47:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 01:24:22PM +0000, Mark Marlette wrote: > > I don't recall the exact values but SCSI was about twice as fast as IDE. > > Megaread times for TC^3 were ~11-12 seconds and 19-20seconds for IDE. At the risk of being branded a heretic or an ignoramous...what exactly does Megaread do? Simply read a megabyte of data? Or something more complex? It definitely seems like there are either serious resolution and/or frame rate limitations or a need for some serious cleverness to get something working... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 3 11:09:53 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:09:53 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <20090403144756.GA3501@tuxdriver.com> References: <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <1492456403.1554031238765062877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <20090403144756.GA3501@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: It doesn't have to be max rez. Just a decent framerate. Heck, could even be black and white. Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:47 AM, "John W. Linville" wrote: > On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 01:24:22PM +0000, Mark Marlette wrote: >> >> I don't recall the exact values but SCSI was about twice as fast as >> IDE. >> >> Megaread times for TC^3 were ~11-12 seconds and 19-20seconds for IDE. > > At the risk of being branded a heretic or an ignoramous...what exactly > does Megaread do? Simply read a megabyte of data? Or something > more complex? > > It definitely seems like there are either serious resolution and/or > frame rate limitations or a need for some serious cleverness to get > something working... > > John > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Apr 3 12:00:37 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:00:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200904031200.37830.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 01 April 2009, Robert Gault wrote: >If you want any hope of loading a driver rather than adding it to the >OS9Boot file, you must merge the driver and descriptors into a single >file with attributes of e and/or pe. You probably will still get 207 >errors on occasion but it should work partially. I knew about the above, so I didn't even try to make Rogers pak work by loading them separately. I also had bigger probs making it work on linux, the dongles I bought turrned out to be some fly by night outfit, and all of them have the same hdaddr of 11:11:11:11:11:11. I got them from USBGear, so buyer beware. I have NDI if I have a command that can rewrite that bit of data permanently. I hacked the address decoding of Rogers pak to put it at $FF64 yesterday, used Ded to change the address in a copy of t2_sc6551.dd named t3_sc6551.dd, added it to the genes.bl and then spent the better part of an hour trying to run mb.genes. We still have the crashing format command in 3.2.8, I think it was probably a 3.2.6 generated boot disk that finally let me format a floppy. Humm, I didn't change the name in t3_sc6551.dd, but its working right now, I have a shell running on it, and minicom running over the rfcomm0 device & everything seems to be working fine. Mmm, must have done the name patch before, here is a dump of that t3_sc6551.dd descriptor, copied and pasted from a screen on this box: {t3|03}/DD/NITROS9/6309L2/MODULES/SCF:dump t3_sc6551.dd Address 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 0 2 4 6 8 A C E -------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---------------- 00000000 87CD 003D 002F F180 D600 3100 3403 07FF .M.=./q.V.1.4... 00000010 641D 0000 0100 0101 0001 1808 180D 1B04 d............... 00000020 0117 0305 0807 0006 002F 1113 5018 0074 ........./..P..t 00000030 B353 43C6 7363 3635 35B1 AE78 CF 3SCFsc6551.xO So the device name is correct. I should turn off the xon/xoff ($offset $2A $2B) in that, it is not being used on this end. I haven't tested that yet, but hardware flow control is supposed to work. So now I have one less 25' cable to pick up an EMP when mother nature gets upset. That has cost me about a big buck in usb stuffs over the last couple of years. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) In space, no one can hear you fart. From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Fri Apr 3 12:11:06 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:11:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Even more OT In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0903310557v79b53ce2xd1906e024052b0ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CD32AE.5070902@gmail.com> <49D11147.7050709@gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0903310557v79b53ce2xd1906e024052b0ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904031211.06991.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Tuesday 31 March 2009 08:57:04 Rod Barnhart wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM, N8WQ wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > I didn't realize we only had three Ohio CoConuts :( > > Maybe we could meet sometime. > > I don't get over to the Arkon area much but if I do I will let you know. > > Is there still a map somewhere that shows where all the CoConuts are? > > I'm not sure he's counting me. I'm formerly from Lancaster, but now in > Columbus. > > Bringing this back OT, the map is at > http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html. > > -- > Rod Barnhart > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Nope, I missed ya, that makes 4, the two of you are next-door neighbors, maybe the two of you could start a mini CoCo club 8-). From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 3 12:15:23 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:15:23 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Even more OT In-Reply-To: <200904031211.06991.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <49CD32AE.5070902@gmail.com> <49D11147.7050709@gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0903310557v79b53ce2xd1906e024052b0ae@mail.gmail.com> <200904031211.06991.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <7047647B-D3FE-47C7-95B9-24E1A25DBA87@pobox.com> There is also a dynamic frappr map - I will find the link. Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:11 AM, richec wrote: > On Tuesday 31 March 2009 08:57:04 Rod Barnhart wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM, N8WQ wrote: >>> Hi Richard, >>> I didn't realize we only had three Ohio CoConuts :( >>> Maybe we could meet sometime. >>> I don't get over to the Arkon area much but if I do I will let you >>> know. >>> Is there still a map somewhere that shows where all the CoConuts >>> are? >> >> I'm not sure he's counting me. I'm formerly from Lancaster, but now >> in >> Columbus. >> >> Bringing this back OT, the map is at >> http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html. >> >> -- >> Rod Barnhart >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > Nope, I missed ya, that makes 4, the two of you are next-door > neighbors, > maybe the two of you could start a mini CoCo club 8-). > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 3 12:18:11 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Map Message-ID: <52022864-E612-41DB-B7B6-A06812E06A91@pobox.com> Www.frappr.com/radioshackcolorcomputer Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman From mechacoco at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 12:53:35 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: References: <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <1492456403.1554031238765062877.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <20090403144756.GA3501@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904030953s554b106fq37799112642701ba@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/09, Allen Huffman wrote: > It doesn't have to be max rez. Just a decent framerate. Heck, could > even be black and white. > I wrote some code a few months ago to try and push the bit banger past the 115.2K baud rate. What I managed to achieve will pull in about 10 frames-per-second of PMODE 0 screens ( 128x96 monochrome) through the 4 pin DIN connector. I would think a hard drive or flash device should be able to do much better. What is the resolution and frame rate that the Timex is achieving? Darren From skwirl42 at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 13:03:46 2009 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:03:46 -0300 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <20090403145125.GB3501@tuxdriver.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> <20090403145125.GB3501@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30904031003m7d37d26dl5f8092c529dc9f79@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/09, John W. Linville wrote: > Dunno, my guess is that moving the data to the CoCo is a bigger problem > than filling the video buffer. Loading from the disk blocks of code > to fill the memory buffer would significantly increase the total data > transfer (i.e. transferring code + data instead of just data). True. It's possible that a properly timed loop, if it could manage it, could use the GIME bug that sets the current pixel to whatever a palette register is being set to, to take advantage of all 64 colours. The disk file could just be a bunch of palette values that the program doesn't even have to write anywhere but the palette register. I don't know if it can read from a disk fast enough to just stream the values to the screen directly, but if it could that'd be really cool. :) -- James Dessart From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Fri Apr 3 12:33:28 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:33:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest vendors: What were these? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200904031233.28229.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> On Tuesday 31 March 2009 23:21:29 Allen Huffman wrote: > I'm helpless without a show guide. We will have to make a show guide > for Glenside next year. > > Can anyone tell me what these tables were? > > Richard & Brenda Crislip - > Frank Pittel - > Griff-Art - > Lost Wizard Enterprises - > Luckey Corner - > > Thanks much. I'm finishing up my CoCoFEST! report -- the first I've > done in a long, long time. > -- > Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! > Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com > > Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get > credit! > http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=866442995 >6&language=en > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Hi Allen, My table was strickly for my use. So I am not a vendor. I am a user who really likes being part of the show and visiting with the show folks. My progrmming abilities are limited to RSBasic, Basic09, and limited C++ knowledge. Brenda and I will be putting something together for next year, Basically, I buy a table so that I can set my rig up on the show floor (sooo much better than the hotel room) to try out my latest purchases and to get help from the vendors I purchased them from when I experience "senior moments". I wish I had more time to truly learn Nitros, but all of my discretionary moments have to be used to become a MSCE 8-/. Richard From mechacoco at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 13:41:51 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:41:51 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30904031003m7d37d26dl5f8092c529dc9f79@mail.gmail.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <49D5C185.8090708@iinet.net.au> <4c56cbd30904030547j582d5155i6e38166772daba5c@mail.gmail.com> <20090403145125.GB3501@tuxdriver.com> <4c56cbd30904031003m7d37d26dl5f8092c529dc9f79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904031041j799c0a2fw1ec16ca834ea3971@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/09, James Dessart wrote: > > True. It's possible that a properly timed loop, if it could manage it, > could use the GIME bug that sets the current pixel to whatever a > palette register is being set to, to take advantage of all 64 colours. > The disk file could just be a bunch of palette values that the program > doesn't even have to write anywhere but the palette register. I don't > know if it can read from a disk fast enough to just stream the values > to the screen directly, but if it could that'd be really cool. :) > ---- I also recall someone awhile back who was trying to feed video data to the CoCo using a custom hardware device. The device would halt the CPU and store the data directly into the CoCo's RAM during the half cycle that is normally used by the CPU. Darren From operator at coco3.com Fri Apr 3 13:53:43 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:53:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <200904031200.37830.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <20090401165958.A735620A16@qs281.pair.com> <49D3F40F.8020705@worldnet.att.net> <200904031200.37830.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090403175432.C88F520A14@qs281.pair.com> At 11:00 AM 4/3/2009, you wrote: >I also had bigger probs making it work on linux, the dongles I bought turrned Just a word thrown in here real quick before people read on. It should be known that there are no known problems with using the wireless pak under OS-9/NitrOS-9. Any problem is probably going to be related to the bluetooth stack on the other computer, such as a Linux PC. That's not an issue with my pak. That's an issue with Linux (or the drivers used). I was sending text to the PC the minute after I booted with the 6551 drivers in os9boot. It was all set to go at 9600 bps by default on the pak + the drivers. Instant match on the first use before the user changes anything. In other words, no tweaking was needed. I popped the cap off the pen and started writing. :) >I hacked the address decoding of Rogers pak to put it at $FF64 >yesterday, used >Ded to change the address in a copy of t2_sc6551.dd named t3_sc6551.dd, added >it to the genes.bl and then spent the better part of an hour trying to run >mb.genes. We still have the crashing format command in 3.2.8, I think it was Just to clarify that there's no crashing of my pak. Gene probably means NitrOS-9 3.2.8's FORMAT command? >So the device name is correct. >I should turn off the xon/xoff ($offset $2A $2B) in that, it is not >being used >on this end. I haven't tested that yet, but hardware flow control is supposed >to work. If you absolutely need CTS/RTS, from the pak's command prompt > type: set flow hardware This will persist until you do a hard reset (while powering up), or typing >set flow none >So now I have one less 25' cable to pick up an EMP when mother nature gets >upset. That has cost me about a big buck in usb stuffs over the last couple >of years. Gene, I'm so glad you were able to get the wireless pak working under your Linux and CoCo setup! For those who are spot reading this and are confused, Gene basically has a Lot of stuff connected and my pak conflicted with a Tandy pak he didn't want to remove. So he slid the addressing down a few double words by soldering a few wires on the pak board. Now that's a determined CoCoNut. :) Cheers, Roger >-- >Cheers, Gene >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) >In space, no one can hear you fart. > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Apr 3 14:33:09 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:33:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090403175432.C88F520A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <200904031200.37830.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090403175432.C88F520A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904031433.09218.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 03 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >At 11:00 AM 4/3/2009, you wrote: >>I also had bigger probs making it work on linux, the dongles I bought >> turrned > >Just a word thrown in here real quick before people read on. It >should be known that there are no known problems with using the >wireless pak under OS-9/NitrOS-9. >Any problem is probably going to be related to the bluetooth stack on >the other computer, such as a Linux PC. That's not an issue with my >pak. That's an issue with Linux (or the drivers used). > >I was sending text to the PC the minute after I booted with the 6551 >drivers in os9boot. It was all set to go at 9600 bps by default on >the pak + the drivers. Instant match on the first use before the >user changes anything. In other words, no tweaking was needed. I >popped the cap off the pen and started writing. :) > >>I hacked the address decoding of Rogers pak to put it at $FF64 >>yesterday, used >>Ded to change the address in a copy of t2_sc6551.dd named t3_sc6551.dd, >> added it to the genes.bl and then spent the better part of an hour trying >> to run >> >>mb.genes. We still have the crashing format command in 3.2.8, I think it >> was > >Just to clarify that there's no crashing of my pak. Gene probably >means NitrOS-9 3.2.8's FORMAT command? Yes of course Roger, I guess I didn't make that clear enough. Its working flawlessly for me so far. The cast iron bitch was FORMAT /d0 while booted to a 3.2.8 based disk. I had to drop back to a 3.2.6 based disk. And we don't think its the format command, so far most fingers have been pointed at rb1773.dr. And I don't know ATM if I am using the nohalt driver or not. But I can check: ----------------------------- {t3|03}/DD/NITROS9/6309L2/BOOTLISTS:list genes.bl *************************************** * NitrOS-9 Level 2 Bootlist * * $Id: genes.bl,v 1.26 2006/04/21 15:35:25 genes Exp $ * * This bootlist is presented as an example for creating custom bootfiles. * A module may be excluded from the bootfile if an asterisk (*) is the * first character of the line. * * PLEASE NOTE! os9gen cannot cope with this file having * an empty line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! * [...] ../MODULES/RBF/rb1773_scii_ff58.dr Now, the 64K$ question is who knows of that's the no-halt version? >>So the device name is correct. >>I should turn off the xon/xoff ($offset $2A $2B) in that, it is not >>being used >>on this end. I haven't tested that yet, but hardware flow control is >> supposed to work. > >If you absolutely need CTS/RTS, from the pak's command >prompt > type: set flow hardware >This will persist until you do a hard reset (while powering up), or >typing >set flow none But I don't have the command prompt anymore. The eprom was pulled while I was hacking the cs address. So this will have to be done from a program I'll have to write, and which is not yet written. >>So now I have one less 25' cable to pick up an EMP when mother nature gets >>upset. That has cost me about a big buck in usb stuffs over the last >> couple of years. > >Gene, I'm so glad you were able to get the wireless pak working under >your Linux and CoCo setup! For those who are spot reading this and >are confused, Gene basically has a Lot of stuff connected and my pak >conflicted with a Tandy pak he didn't want to remove. So he slid the >addressing down a few double words by soldering a few wires on the >pak board. Now that's a determined CoCoNut. :) Now who is calling whom a nut? :) Guilty... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Price's Advice: It's all a game -- play it to have fun. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 3 15:38:29 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Voice channel for all users Message-ID: <000801c9b493$c3f89450$4be9bcf0$@rr.com> I have a Ventrilo voice chat room open for anyone who wants to use it. All ya need is Ventrilo 3.x and either a mike or a Bluetooth. Everyone is invited. Hostname or IP: www.sq1bbs.com Port number: 3784 Join me-we can talk Coco From operator at coco3.com Fri Apr 3 16:25:32 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:25:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <200904031433.09218.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <200904031200.37830.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090403175432.C88F520A14@qs281.pair.com> <200904031433.09218.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090403202619.C4FD920A16@qs281.pair.com> At 01:33 PM 4/3/2009, you wrote: > >If you absolutely need CTS/RTS, from the pak's command > >prompt > type: set flow hardware > >This will persist until you do a hard reset (while powering up), or > >typing >set flow none > >But I don't have the command prompt anymore. The eprom was pulled >while I was >hacking the cs address. So this will have to be done from a program >I'll have >to write, and which is not yet written. SuperComm? I recall a few other OS-9 terminal programs that should work? Try this as well, but you'll first have to kill the bluetooth connection from the PC. echo set baud 19200 >/t2 xmode /t2 bau=7 That should get you rolling at 19200 bps but then you'll have to save the /t2 config, ofcourse. > >Gene, I'm so glad you were able to get the wireless pak working under > >your Linux and CoCo setup! For those who are spot reading this and > >are confused, Gene basically has a Lot of stuff connected and my pak > >conflicted with a Tandy pak he didn't want to remove. So he slid the > >addressing down a few double words by soldering a few wires on the > >pak board. Now that's a determined CoCoNut. :) > >Now who is calling whom a nut? :) Guilty... haha -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 3 16:50:16 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Cloud-9 Accouncement Message-ID: <425621034.40521238791816225.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> All, Boisy and I are pleased to announce that we have added two prolific CoCo gurus to the team at Cloud-9: Jim Hathaway and Tim Lindner. These individuals have a proven track record in the CoCo community and bring a wealth of knowledge to Cloud-9. You can read their bios at www.cloud9tech.com, About Us tab. Please join us in welcoming them to Cloud-9. We have also made several changes on our web site. 1. The addition of the video series 'Learn your Color Computer' is now available for sale. 2. New lower prices on the SuperIDE, TC^3 and the IDE CompactFlash Adapter are posted. Regards, Boisy and Mark Cloud-9 From nickma at optusnet.com.au Fri Apr 3 16:54:26 2009 From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:54:26 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project Message-ID: <49D67782.1040503@optusnet.com.au> Sorry guys, Sock Master has done this already. At Pennfest 2000, Sock was displaying a video clip of a spinning CoCo3 He had put a CoCo3 on a record player. He then turned the CoCo3 a small increment at a time and took a photo. Then he compiled each frame into his hi-color format. The finished product was it streaming each frame (from RAM) to create a short looping video of the CoCo3 spinning in 3D on the CoCo3 screen in full 4096 color. So, it can be done (as long as off a fast storage device) but as Mark McDougall pointed out, what's the point...as can be seen by the fact that no-one remembers this feat. (A video of this is on the Pennfest 2000 souvenir CD for those that bought the CD back then) Nick From mechacoco at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 17:53:35 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <49D67782.1040503@optusnet.com.au> References: <49D67782.1040503@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904031453p326f1a3akfe6f434e4166904a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/09, Nick Marentes wrote: > Sorry guys, Sock Master has done this already. > > At Pennfest 2000, Sock was displaying a video clip of a spinning CoCo3 > He had put a CoCo3 on a record player. He then turned the CoCo3 a small > increment at a time and took a photo. Then he compiled each frame into > his hi-color format. > > The finished product was it streaming each frame (from RAM) to create a > short looping video of the CoCo3 spinning in 3D on the CoCo3 screen in > full 4096 color. > --- I'm not sure if that example pertains to the idea being discussed. What do you mean by "streaming (from RAM)" ? Looping through a small number of images already in RAM is not the same as reading continuous video data from a storage device. Darren From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 3 18:04:55 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:04:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <49D67782.1040503@optusnet.com.au> References: <49D67782.1040503@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <42510243-5A70-4CBA-9C57-DA9FB7578E4C@pobox.com> On Apr 3, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Nick Marentes wrote: > So, it can be done (as long as off a fast storage device) but as > Mark McDougall pointed out, what's the point...as can be seen by the > fact that no-one remembers this feat. Indeed. It was cool, but not at all what I am talking about. 4096 colors was cool, and flipping a bunch of them was cool, but I am talking about something else. This all comes up after Sean told me about a Timex Sinclair 1000 at the Midwest Gaming Classic convention that was showing an iPod silhouette TV ad. It was just a white background, with animated black shadow figures dancing, but the fact it was able to do it at all was pretty cool. I could imagine this type of trick getting attention from bloggers. So, what I want to do is be able to take a video and then convert it in to something that can be played on the CoCo. This is really no big deal if the disk I/O can be figured out. The old video digitizer from CoCo 1/2 could display black and white "live" video, so the issue is just -- can we load something from disk fast enough? The goal is to make a video player, then have some kind of demo -- probably a commercial for the CoCo (as an example), or a movie trailer (might be asking for trouble with modern copyrights) or, better, a new fan-made "commercial" for the 2010 CoCoFest. Then, we get video of the demo and pass it along to sites like Boing Boing, Slashdot, DIGG, etc. and see if they can pick up the headline "TRS-80 video player app released" or whatever, and try to generate thousands of click-throughs. Ultimate goal: To publicize that the CoCo is turning 30 in 2010, and we are getting together to celebrate. Even dropping down to a black and white low resolution image (with sound, hopefully) would be enough to be a neat headline grabbing trick/ demo. Don't think too much in to this -- it would be even better if the demo was something that could run on a 1980 CoCo 1 vintage machine. "30 year old TRS-80 plays 2010 movie" :-) -- Allen From nickma at optusnet.com.au Fri Apr 3 19:05:19 2009 From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:05:19 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project Message-ID: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> > I'm not sure if that example pertains to the idea being discussed. > What do you mean by "streaming (from RAM)" ? Looping through a small > number of images already in RAM is not the same as reading continuous > video data from a storage device. > Darren No, it's not exactly but close. RAM based limits the number of uncompressed frames that can be stored. Pulling from an external storage decice will allow a larger play length. This was demonstrated by someone (forgot his name) I believe at a Cocofest in 1998 with an IDE internal drive. The real challenge is the decoding of a compressed video format fast enough on a CoCo3 to have a reasonable frame rate. That Timex Sinclair demo seems to be doing that...but would anyone really want to watch a black and white blocky (text block based) video?? Sock Master's demo showed what can be achieved using 64K uncompressed hi-color frames. I guess the challenge is writing an M/L decoder for AVI, mpeg or some format which would be possible for the 2Mhz CoCo to decompress and play back at a decent frame rate (15fps?) with a reasonable color depth (16? Maybe good for animations and cartoons?). I believe it is possible but in an age where we all take for granted the ability to play 30fps, high color videos on our phones, how many of us "old timers" are there that will be impressed for long? It's the decompression that is the biggest challenge, the streaming is not so bad with a fast storage device (Maybe an SD card interface?) Anyone want to design a high speed CoCo3 co-processor card? Or interface an mpeg decoder chip? :) Nick (P.S. "Old Timers" should be interpreted as "those of us with wisdom from the dawn of home computing") :) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Apr 3 19:26:04 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:26:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090403202619.C4FD920A16@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <200904031433.09218.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090403202619.C4FD920A16@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904031926.04919.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 03 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >At 01:33 PM 4/3/2009, you wrote: >> >If you absolutely need CTS/RTS, from the pak's command >> >prompt > type: set flow hardware >> >This will persist until you do a hard reset (while powering up), or >> >typing >set flow none >> >>But I don't have the command prompt anymore. The eprom was pulled >>while I was >>hacking the cs address. So this will have to be done from a program >>I'll have >>to write, and which is not yet written. > >SuperComm? I recall a few other OS-9 terminal programs that should work? > I hadn't thought of that, it may well work if it can send the short break (or whatever it takes, I haven't studied the software pdf that much yet) to get it back in command mode. >Try this as well, but you'll first have to kill the bluetooth >connection from the PC. And I believe (you clipped my rc.local insertions) that would be the rfcomm command here, using the 'release' syntax since the 'bind' was made from here. Are you saying that it can't do data while its in the command mode? There is no data flowing unless I'm working in the minicom terminal AFAIK. That isn't saying the bt stuff isn't making sure the other guy is still there from time to time, only that I don't know. > >echo set baud 19200 >/t2 >xmode /t2 bau=7 > >That should get you rolling at 19200 bps but then you'll have to save >the /t2 config, ofcourse. > >> >Gene, I'm so glad you were able to get the wireless pak working under >> >your Linux and CoCo setup! For those who are spot reading this and >> >are confused, Gene basically has a Lot of stuff connected and my pak >> >conflicted with a Tandy pak he didn't want to remove. So he slid the >> >addressing down a few double words by soldering a few wires on the >> >pak board. Now that's a determined CoCoNut. :) >> >>Now who is calling whom a nut? :) Guilty... > >haha Actually, I think we all are, or we wouldn't be keeping the old girl alive. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it. -- Oscar Wilde, "The Portrait of Mr. W.H." From t.fadden at cox.net Fri Apr 3 20:07:36 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <200904031926.04919.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <200904031433.09218.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090403202619.C4FD920A16@qs281.pair.com> <200904031926.04919.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49D6A4C8.2090702@cox.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 03 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: > >> At 01:33 PM 4/3/2009, you wrote: >> >>>> If you absolutely need CTS/RTS, from the pak's command >>>> prompt > type: set flow hardware >>>> This will persist until you do a hard reset (while powering up), or >>>> typing >set flow none >>>> >>> But I don't have the command prompt anymore. The eprom was pulled >>> while I was >>> hacking the cs address. So this will have to be done from a program >>> I'll have >>> to write, and which is not yet written. >>> >> SuperComm? I recall a few other OS-9 terminal programs that should work? >> >> > I hadn't thought of that, it may well work if it can send the short break (or > whatever it takes, I haven't studied the software pdf that much yet) to get it > back in command mode. > > >> Try this as well, but you'll first have to kill the bluetooth >> connection from the PC. >> > > And I believe (you clipped my rc.local insertions) that would be the rfcomm > command here, using the 'release' syntax since the 'bind' was made from here. > > Are you saying that it can't do data while its in the command mode? There is > no data flowing unless I'm working in the minicom terminal AFAIK. That isn't > saying the bt stuff isn't making sure the other guy is still there from time > to time, only that I don't know. > >> echo set baud 19200 >/t2 >> xmode /t2 bau=7 >> >> That should get you rolling at 19200 bps but then you'll have to save >> the /t2 config, ofcourse. >> >> >>>> Gene, I'm so glad you were able to get the wireless pak working under >>>> your Linux and CoCo setup! For those who are spot reading this and >>>> are confused, Gene basically has a Lot of stuff connected and my pak >>>> conflicted with a Tandy pak he didn't want to remove. So he slid the >>>> addressing down a few double words by soldering a few wires on the >>>> pak board. Now that's a determined CoCoNut. :) >>>> >>> Now who is calling whom a nut? :) Guilty... >>> >> haha >> > > Actually, I think we all are, or we wouldn't be keeping the old girl alive. > > They shoot horses, don't they? Tim :-) From operator at coco3.com Fri Apr 3 20:34:12 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:34:12 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <200904031926.04919.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <200904031433.09218.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090403202619.C4FD920A16@qs281.pair.com> <200904031926.04919.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090404003417.2BDB620A14@qs281.pair.com> At 06:26 PM 4/3/2009, you wrote: > >SuperComm? I recall a few other OS-9 terminal programs that should work? > > >I hadn't thought of that, it may well work if it can send the short break (or >whatever it takes, I haven't studied the software pdf that much yet) >to get it >back in command mode. The pak starts up in command mode unless you have two paks paired with each other. From data mode you can go into command mode by sending the escape sequence short delay +++ short delay just like how a modem works. To return to data mode (if a connection exists), type "ret" [ENTER] > >Try this as well, but you'll first have to kill the bluetooth > >connection from the PC. > >And I believe (you clipped my rc.local insertions) that would be the rfcomm >command here, using the 'release' syntax since the 'bind' was made from here. > >Are you saying that it can't do data while its in the command mode? There is >no data flowing unless I'm working in the minicom terminal AFAIK. That isn't >saying the bt stuff isn't making sure the other guy is still there from time >to time, only that I don't know. I'm not sure what gets buffered while you're in command mode if the remote terminal is sending you data. I need to try this and add it to my running list of undocumented discoveries :) -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Apr 3 21:04:26 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <49D6A4C8.2090702@cox.net> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <200904031926.04919.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49D6A4C8.2090702@cox.net> Message-ID: <200904032104.26628.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 03 April 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: And Gene Heskett opined before: >> Actually, I think we all are, or we wouldn't be keeping the old girl >> alive. > >They shoot horses, don't they? > Isn't that the name of an old and forgettable movie? I don't have a broken leg, yet. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Fourth Law of Thermodynamics: If the probability of success is not almost one, it is damn near zero. -- David Ellis From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Apr 3 21:07:40 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver In-Reply-To: <20090404003417.2BDB620A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> <200904031926.04919.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090404003417.2BDB620A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904032107.40347.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 03 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >At 06:26 PM 4/3/2009, you wrote: >> >SuperComm? I recall a few other OS-9 terminal programs that should work? >> >>I hadn't thought of that, it may well work if it can send the short break >> (or whatever it takes, I haven't studied the software pdf that much yet) >> to get it >>back in command mode. > >The pak starts up in command mode unless you have two paks paired >with each other. From data mode you can go into command mode by >sending the escape sequence short delay +++ short delay just >like how a modem works. > Ahh, so. Thanks. >To return to data mode (if a connection exists), type "ret" [ENTER] > >> >Try this as well, but you'll first have to kill the bluetooth >> >connection from the PC. >> >>And I believe (you clipped my rc.local insertions) that would be the rfcomm >>command here, using the 'release' syntax since the 'bind' was made from >> here. >> >>Are you saying that it can't do data while its in the command mode? There >> is no data flowing unless I'm working in the minicom terminal AFAIK. That >> isn't saying the bt stuff isn't making sure the other guy is still there >> from time to time, only that I don't know. > >I'm not sure what gets buffered while you're in command mode if the >remote terminal is sending you data. I need to try this and add it >to my running list of undocumented discoveries :) Chuckle, there is always that. You should put that in a FAQ on your web page & add to it as discovered. Or have you & I'm too lazy to look? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "I will make no bargains with terrorist hardware." -- Peter da Silva From georgeramsower at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 22:28:11 2009 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:28:11 -0600 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 sc6551 driver References: <20090401015634.D7F9E20A15@qs281.pair.com><200904031926.04919.gene.heskett@verizon.net><49D6A4C8.2090702@cox.net> <200904032104.26628.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <003601c9b4cd$00449600$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE> > On Friday 03 April 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: > And Gene Heskett opined before: > >>> Actually, I think we all are, or we wouldn't be keeping the old girl >>> alive. >> >>They shoot horses, don't they? >> > Isn't that the name of an old and forgettable movie? > > I don't have a broken leg, yet. > > -- > Cheers, Gene Yep! A very serious movie about a sick, dance marathon that ended sadly. Okay I won't give up the ending. George From Nuxie at aol.com Fri Apr 3 22:39:04 2009 From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:39:04 EDT Subject: [Coco] Cloud-9 Accouncement Message-ID: Congrats TIm and Jim!! Glad to hear about the new additions Mark and Boisy! whoot a CoCo Store is expanding! (speech speeeeech speech speeech) Mary Kramer In a message dated 4/3/2009 3:50:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mmarlette at frontiernet.net writes: All, Boisy and I are pleased to announce that we have added two prolific CoCo gurus to the team at Cloud-9: Jim Hathaway and Tim Lindner. These individuals have a proven track record in the CoCo community and bring a wealth of knowledge to Cloud-9. You can read their bios at www.cloud9tech.com, About Us tab. Please join us in welcoming them to Cloud-9. We have also made several changes on our web site. 1. The addition of the video series 'Learn your Color Computer' is now available for sale. 2. New lower prices on the SuperIDE, TC^3 and the IDE CompactFlash Adapter are posted. Regards, Boisy and Mark Cloud-9 -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco **************Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) From tonypodraza at juno.com Sat Apr 4 00:03:02 2009 From: tonypodraza at juno.com (John A Podraza) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 23:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! dates announced!!!!! Message-ID: <20090403.230302.1692.4.tonypodraza@juno.com> The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. They are not in Late Sept or Early Oct as we were thinking. They are MAY 15 & 16, 2010! goto www.glensideccc.com for continuing details and updates. Come one; Come ALL!!! If we had as much fun, this year, without you, imagine the fun we'll all have together! y 15 & 16, 2010 ____________________________________________________________ Get the healthy glow without the harmful rays! Click now for great sunless tanning! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTF0TnHceGxvLoZjXQMCQmV1vfWJftAG7v4FajtgHCsPVEb4I1qvDK/ From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 00:41:44 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:41:44 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Cloud-9 Accouncement In-Reply-To: <425621034.40521238791816225.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <425621034.40521238791816225.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Boisy and I are pleased to announce that we have added two prolific > CoCo gurus to the team at Cloud-9: Jim Hathaway and Tim Lindner. Nice to hear someone's hiring in these recessionary times! ;-) Does this mean Cloud-9 has so many fantastic new products in the assembly line that you needed another two heads? Or is it to offload some of the order/shipping work to others? -- JP From brjeremy at juno.com Sat Apr 4 01:33:35 2009 From: brjeremy at juno.com (brjeremy at juno.com) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 05:33:35 GMT Subject: [Coco] 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! dates announced!!!!! Message-ID: <20090404.003335.11463.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Monk-O-Ware will be attending. With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW ____________________________________________________________ Take the perfect vacation to Pigeon Forge. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTKAnL2CZ77nqkBpeZ0bDpXqLKStmun4pV5M70EArA4jPYGUe0iKWU/ From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 4 04:57:32 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Cloud-9 Accouncement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1739409790.123931238835452479.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> JP, We all know the pay is not real good. :) Most of the hardware orders come from Lab North while the software ships from Lab South. We have some nice ideas in the pipe, all in the area of never done before. Regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.P. Samson" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 11:41:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] Cloud-9 Accouncement On Apr 3, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Boisy and I are pleased to announce that we have added two prolific > CoCo gurus to the team at Cloud-9: Jim Hathaway and Tim Lindner. Nice to hear someone's hiring in these recessionary times! ;-) Does this mean Cloud-9 has so many fantastic new products in the assembly line that you needed another two heads? Or is it to offload some of the order/shipping work to others? -- JP -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 4 05:02:40 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! dates announced!!!!! In-Reply-To: <1142725397.123971238835703764.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1521770156.124021238835760241.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Haven't missed one yet.....Elgin should be green that time of year. Was a nice snow this year though. See you then!!!! Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A Podraza" To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 11:03:02 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Coco] 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! dates announced!!!!! The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. They are not in Late Sept or Early Oct as we were thinking. They are MAY 15 & 16, 2010! goto www.glensideccc.com for continuing details and updates. Come one; Come ALL!!! If we had as much fun, this year, without you, imagine the fun we'll all have together! y 15 & 16, 2010 ____________________________________________________________ Get the healthy glow without the harmful rays! Click now for great sunless tanning! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTF0TnHceGxvLoZjXQMCQmV1vfWJftAG7v4FajtgHCsPVEb4I1qvDK/ -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From linville at tuxdriver.com Sat Apr 4 08:33:43 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:33:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> References: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20090404123343.GC7364@tuxdriver.com> On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 09:05:19AM +1000, Nick Marentes wrote: > The real challenge is the decoding of a compressed video format fast > enough on a CoCo3 to have a reasonable frame rate. That Timex Sinclair > demo seems to be doing that...but would anyone really want to watch a > black and white blocky (text block based) video?? Many video players limit their supported formats, some to quite unique ones. I don't see why a CoCo video player couldn't restrict itself to a format prepared specifically for the CoCo. > Sock Master's demo showed what can be achieved using 64K uncompressed > hi-color frames. I guess the challenge is writing an M/L decoder for > AVI, mpeg or some format which would be possible for the 2Mhz CoCo to > decompress and play back at a decent frame rate (15fps?) with a > reasonable color depth (16? Maybe good for animations and cartoons?). I > believe it is possible but in an age where we all take for granted the > ability to play 30fps, high color videos on our phones, how many of us > "old timers" are there that will be impressed for long? Those phones can also play video games beyond the capabilities of a CoCo -- so what??? John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From alsplace at pobox.com Sat Apr 4 12:03:40 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:03:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> References: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <64DECD41-009C-40F8-8B6A-4D91818E1508@pobox.com> On Apr 3, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Nick Marentes wrote: > age where we all take for granted the ability to play 30fps, high > color videos on our phones, how many of us "old timers" are there > that will be impressed for long? You obviously haven't seen what small, trivial things get tons of blog- press on sites like BoingBoing. Someone made a Guitar Hero type game for the C64 and it spread all over. Guitar Hero is a brain dead simple game that a pocket calculator could do. What makes it unique is the sound track (turn off the sound and it's a rather boring game). Even the background graphics aren't cutting edge. The C64 "version" just played SID synth music, so nothing at all like Guitar Hero... But folks thought it was neat and it got mentioned on some pretty big sites. So things along those lines -- doing something "modern" on old hardware -- are good targets for getting some attention. Hmmm, I bet I could write a simply Guitar Hero in BASIC ;-) -- A From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 12:28:33 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 12:28:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <64DECD41-009C-40F8-8B6A-4D91818E1508@pobox.com> References: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> <64DECD41-009C-40F8-8B6A-4D91818E1508@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49D78AB1.40301@gmail.com> > Guitar Hero is a brain dead simple game I would agree with your analysis! LOL :) Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 3, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Nick Marentes wrote: >> age where we all take for granted the ability to play 30fps, high >> color videos on our phones, how many of us "old timers" are there >> that will be impressed for long? > > You obviously haven't seen what small, trivial things get tons of > blog-press on sites like BoingBoing. Someone made a Guitar Hero type > game for the C64 and it spread all over. Guitar Hero is a brain dead > simple game that a pocket calculator could do. What makes it unique is > the sound track (turn off the sound and it's a rather boring game). > Even the background graphics aren't cutting edge. The C64 "version" > just played SID synth music, so nothing at all like Guitar Hero... But > folks thought it was neat and it got mentioned on some pretty big sites. > > So things along those lines -- doing something "modern" on old > hardware -- are good targets for getting some attention. > > Hmmm, I bet I could write a simply Guitar Hero in BASIC ;-) > > -- A > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From alsplace at pobox.com Sat Apr 4 12:44:06 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:44:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest vendors: What were these? In-Reply-To: <200904031233.28229.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <200904031233.28229.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <2B367D18-FEDD-45DE-8AE5-B64EE1920F4F@pobox.com> On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:33 AM, richec wrote: > My table was strickly for my use. So I am not a vendor. Thanks! I will be revising my Fest report a few more times to fill in the remaining gaps, then hopefully Glenside will put it in the newsletter. -- Allen From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 12:52:47 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 12:52:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink Message-ID: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> Well I have my new 40 pin pcb connector soldered on the motherboard at a 90 degree angle and it is working great in saving me some space in my mini tower case. My next project is to put the stupid voltage regulator heat sink in the vertical mode. Right now it is in the horizontal "space hog" mode. :) Has anybody on the list ever swapped out the heat sink with another version? Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home From alsplace at pobox.com Sat Apr 4 13:00:39 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:00:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Frank Davis / FWD Computing Message-ID: Can someone get me contact information to Frank Davis / FWD Computing? I want to send him a copy of his seminar. -- A From alsplace at pobox.com Sat Apr 4 13:27:20 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:27:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! dates announced!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20090403.230302.1692.4.tonypodraza@juno.com> References: <20090403.230302.1692.4.tonypodraza@juno.com> Message-ID: <9B975AFB-AF78-4A6C-9115-33EE5660A448@pobox.com> On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:03 PM, John A Podraza wrote: > They are MAY 15 & 16, 2010! Good deal. That should still give me time to build a new PVC Nightmare and get an updated banner made. It will be the 20th anniversary of Sub- Etha Software! -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From alsplace at pobox.com Sat Apr 4 13:37:06 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:37:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <49D603B5.9080907@att.net> References: <49D603B5.9080907@att.net> Message-ID: <69F7519C-A074-4537-B9E6-A98C34C705A5@pobox.com> On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:40 AM, Frank Swygert wrote: > Hmmm.... yeah, you were out of high school, but could have went back > and no one would have questioned you! I/'m not as old as a That happened for a long, long time... even in to my 30s (when I was clean shaven)! I guess I'm a lucky one! (Now I have to color out the grey hairs in my beard...) > Maybe it was just the three of us then -- at least in my car. Long > time ago! Maybe I'm thinking about others that went with us to the I can always post excepts from the experience to YouTube ;-) > 30th Anniversary sounds good. But will have to see. My parents want > the wife and I to take a trip to Germany with them in the spring of > 2010. Maybe moving the fest to the fall is an omen though? Let's just pencil in those dates and work hard on turning them in to ink marks. -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 14:25:59 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:25:59 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 Message-ID: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> Boisy, since DW3 is not a sale product I decided to bring this to your attention on the list like everyone does with my software issues. It tends to help to get a collection of opinions. First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble with DW3. What I've found is that it doesn't take much to throw some USB serial adaptors out of sync or to crash them. CoCoNet bitbanger does neither, nor taps into any special tricks with such an adaptor. I'm simply opening the COM port and talking over it but with precise timing of the bitstream. After looking at your DW3 source code, it appears that your order of alternating cycle counts of 15 and 16 could be a problem. It appears that your order of alternating cycles to RECEIVE bits are: 15,15,16,15,16,15,16,16 __ __ -- __ -- __ -- -- I drew the dashes and underscores to better visualize the pattern. Your transmitting routine's cycle pattern appears to be different. The best approach I've found after trying tons of different patterns was to use 15,16,15,16,15,16,15,16 for both Receive and Trasmit routines. This has proven to work almost flawlessly (I say almost because there's no such thing as flawless) and I've run tests for days straight with no CRC errors counted, over both a motherboard COM port and a USB to Serial adaptor, two latops and an old Win98 tower. You'll get even MORE stability by using the 8-N-2 protocol. The extra bit of timing is worth it. Throughput means nothing if the connection is going to barf out every 1 attempt out of 10. For me right now about 1 or 2 out of 10 attempts in DriveWire 3 results in an error. For example, I can be sitting at the NitrOS-9 prompt and type "dir" and get an error #244, type "dir" again and get error #216. Finally, a third "dir" spits the directory out. Almost always a "dir /x1" on the first one or two tries results in an error. Sometimes but rarely the .dsk image crashes during boot. Again, IMHO, since DW3 is free I saw no harm in talking about these things on the list as opposed to stepping on a sale product. My biggest question is whether or not anybody else is having the occasional errors with DW3 and what brand of USB adaptor they might be using, etc. But another question is why all of my bitbanger cables work fine with CoCoNet but not DriveWire using the same bitbanger cable wiring. If there are other coders now improving on DriveWire, I think the above 2 timing suggestions should do the trick. Why am I using DW3? I'm working on building a wirelessly bootable NitrOS-9 .dsk image to add to my test cases. Nothing major, just typical lab work. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From fwp at deepthought.com Sat Apr 4 15:23:37 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:23:37 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090404192336.GS3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Sigh!! From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:42:18 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:42:18 -0600 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them > not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain > person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my > cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that > being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble > with DW3. I believe IOGear uses Prolific chipsets for their USB-to-serial adapters, yes? -- JP From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Apr 4 14:54:14 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:54:14 -0700 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49D7ACD6.5080905@cox.net> Roger, I had minor problems with a USB adapter using the prolific chip set. No where near the rate you are seeing. Only 4 or 5 errors in 70MB's of data. No errors were reported via the DW3 server app, only from the OS9 prompt. After switching to a true RS232 port, I have transferd over 300MB with no errors whatsoever. I am not so technically inclined to decode the source, or determine if the errors where caused by the physical usb adapter itself, or the usb-serial drivers. I am also able to do dir's, etc on the hard drive, and on the DW3 drive while the transfer is taking place with no ill effects. All this while logged into Nitros9 via the serial port from my PC. I do this in order to log for errors. 7 or 8 hours sitting watching the screen is a bit much for me! ha ha ha My hardware is CoCo 3 512k, Disto Super II, with 4in1, and scsisys drivers for the 2 hard disks. Your wireless is a great Idea, but not good for me. I want all my floppy's, HD's ports real time clock etc. available at all times, and with no mulit-pak its a bit hard. :-) Or, I need remedial instruction. :-) Tim Fadden Roger Taylor wrote: > Boisy, since DW3 is not a sale product I decided to bring this to your > attention on the list like everyone does with my software issues. It > tends to help to get a collection of opinions. > > First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them > not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain > person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my cables > are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that being > said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble with DW3. > > What I've found is that it doesn't take much to throw some USB serial > adaptors out of sync or to crash them. CoCoNet bitbanger does > neither, nor taps into any special tricks with such an adaptor. I'm > simply opening the COM port and talking over it but with precise > timing of the bitstream. > > After looking at your DW3 source code, it appears that your order of > alternating cycle counts of 15 and 16 could be a problem. > > It appears that your order of alternating cycles to RECEIVE bits are: > 15,15,16,15,16,15,16,16 > __ __ -- __ -- __ -- -- > > I drew the dashes and underscores to better visualize the pattern. > Your transmitting routine's cycle pattern appears to be different. > > The best approach I've found after trying tons of different patterns > was to use 15,16,15,16,15,16,15,16 for both Receive and Trasmit > routines. This has proven to work almost flawlessly (I say almost > because there's no such thing as flawless) and I've run tests for days > straight with no CRC errors counted, over both a motherboard COM port > and a USB to Serial adaptor, two latops and an old Win98 tower. > > You'll get even MORE stability by using the 8-N-2 protocol. The extra > bit of timing is worth it. Throughput means nothing if the connection > is going to barf out every 1 attempt out of 10. > > For me right now about 1 or 2 out of 10 attempts in DriveWire 3 > results in an error. For example, I can be sitting at the NitrOS-9 > prompt and type "dir" and get an error #244, type "dir" again and get > error #216. Finally, a third "dir" spits the directory out. Almost > always a "dir /x1" on the first one or two tries results in an error. > Sometimes but rarely the .dsk image crashes during boot. > > Again, IMHO, since DW3 is free I saw no harm in talking about these > things on the list as opposed to stepping on a sale product. My > biggest question is whether or not anybody else is having the > occasional errors with DW3 and what brand of USB adaptor they might be > using, etc. But another question is why all of my bitbanger cables > work fine with CoCoNet but not DriveWire using the same bitbanger > cable wiring. > > If there are other coders now improving on DriveWire, I think the > above 2 timing suggestions should do the trick. > > Why am I using DW3? I'm working on building a wirelessly bootable > NitrOS-9 .dsk image to add to my test cases. Nothing major, just > typical lab work. > From hyperfrog at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 15:04:32 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:04:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DOS patch programs Message-ID: <49D7AF40.3090505@gmail.com> Roger Taylor wrote: > > Also, CoCo 3 users trying to patch their Disk BASIC ROM while it's in > RAM and saving out the image to burn to an EPROM should know that the > ROM won't run right on a CoCo 1 or 2. The correct way to patch the > Disk BASIC "2.1" ROM is to run an All-RAM routine first that recopies > the original BASIC, ECB, and Disk BASIC ROMs into RAM, perform the > patches, then save the images. Depending on the situation and the > ROMs in use, this might not work sometimes.... > > A cure I came up with is a new feature in CCASM that lets you write > DOS patch programs that are merged with an existing ROM image file to > create a ready-to-burn ROM. For example, a typical CoCo 3 DOS patcher > is a LOADM'able file with multiple ORG statements that jump around the > DOS ROM/RAM making changes. CCASM assembles the LOADM file then > overlays it with a copy of Disk BASIC 1.1. The resulting ROM is > naturally compatible with all CoCos that can use a disk controller. That's an interesting feature, but how do you do that? Using the "includebin" directive? Christian From farna at att.net Sat Apr 4 15:21:35 2009 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:21:35 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! dates, announced!!!!! Message-ID: <49D7B33F.7030605@att.net> Oh well, can't please everyone! I'll probably be on a trip to Germany with the folks around that time, or close enough that funding would be an issue. Maybe 2011... -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 15:43:09 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:43:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: References: <21799343-4953-4D8E-93A9-66F02BE5724C@pobox.com> <5631e580904010254y57f11c4fgbe14f1820b3431d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D7B84D.8080906@gmail.com> Are the slide presentations at the seminars going to be available to download? No rush here, just curious. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Allen Huffman wrote: > Thanks - still have more to add. > > Sent from my iPhone > Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > >> Took the liberty at crossposting onto the Delphi CoCo SIG (once in a >> blue >> Moon activity) and the Compuserve (what's left of it) Vintage Computing >> Forum. >> >> Great report Al :-) >> >> >> >> -=[ Rogelio ]=- >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Allen Huffman >> wrote: >> >>> >>> http://web.me.com/allenhuffman/CoCoFest/Blog/Entries/2009/4/1_2009_Chicago_CoCoFEST!_Report.html >>> >>> >>> I don't really know how to pass along fest reports in these modern >>> internet >>> times... Should I post a text-only version here? >>> -- >>> Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! >>> Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com >>> >>> Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get >>> credit! >>> >>> http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 15:49:35 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:49:35 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <49D7ACD6.5080905@cox.net> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7ACD6.5080905@cox.net> Message-ID: <20090404195002.1EFB020A13@qs281.pair.com> At 01:54 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >Roger, >I had minor problems with a USB adapter using the prolific chip >set. No where near the rate you are seeing. Only 4 or 5 errors in >70MB's of data. No errors were reported via the DW3 server app, >only from the OS9 prompt. After switching to a true RS232 port, I >have transferd over 300MB with no errors whatsoever. I am not so >technically inclined to decode the source, or determine if the >errors where caused by the physical usb adapter itself, or the >usb-serial drivers. I am also able to do dir's, etc on the hard >drive, and on the DW3 drive while the transfer is taking place with >no ill effects. All this while logged into Nitros9 via the serial >port from my PC. I do this in order to log for errors. 7 or 8 hours >sitting watching the screen is a bit much for me! ha ha ha > >My hardware is CoCo 3 512k, Disto Super II, with 4in1, and scsisys >drivers for the 2 hard disks. > >Your wireless is a great Idea, but not good for me. I want all my >floppy's, HD's ports real time clock etc. available at all times, >and with no mulit-pak its a bit hard. :-) Or, I need remedial >instruction. :-) > >Tim Fadden Are you saying you don't have an MPI ? If you do, the wireless pak shouldn't keep you from using your floppies, HD's, RTC, etc. It just adds a wireless serial port. I'm getting lots of bitbanger errors at the NOS 6809 L2 prompt (115200 bps bitbanger). About 50% of my attempts to build a new boot disk result in a crash of NOS, sparklies and all. Replug the USB serial adaptor, reboot the DW3 server app, and it usually helps. Strange. Latest news! Finally, a partially bootable 6551 bootable NOS .dsk. That is, I boot up the CoCo with CoCoNet Disk BASIC ROM, not DriveWire, type DOS, and NitrOS-9 should boot OVER THE AIR from the PC. I just got as far as the CoCoNet boot module talking to my server. It just requested LSN 0 and crashed, which was ascuallt GREAT news. Why? Because I forgot to preserve reg.U in a subroutine and was also referencing an ASCII decimal string using #direct addressing by oversight. I just made some changes and will post my results as soon as something cool happens. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 15:55:55 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DOS patch programs In-Reply-To: <49D7AF40.3090505@gmail.com> References: <49D7AF40.3090505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090404195604.EF60220A15@qs281.pair.com> At 02:04 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >Roger Taylor wrote: >> >>Also, CoCo 3 users trying to patch their Disk BASIC ROM while it's >>in RAM and saving out the image to burn to an EPROM should know >>that the ROM won't run right on a CoCo 1 or 2. The correct way to >>patch the Disk BASIC "2.1" ROM is to run an All-RAM routine first >>that recopies the original BASIC, ECB, and Disk BASIC ROMs into >>RAM, perform the patches, then save the images. Depending on the >>situation and the ROMs in use, this might not work sometimes.... >> >>A cure I came up with is a new feature in CCASM that lets you write >>DOS patch programs that are merged with an existing ROM image file >>to create a ready-to-burn ROM. For example, a typical CoCo 3 DOS >>patcher is a LOADM'able file with multiple ORG statements that jump >>around the DOS ROM/RAM making changes. CCASM assembles the LOADM >>file then overlays it with a copy of Disk BASIC 1.1. The resulting >>ROM is naturally compatible with all CoCos that can use a disk controller. > >That's an interesting feature, but how do you do that? Using the >"includebin" directive? > >Christian CCASM has a new -rompatch switch. It's not public ready yet because it uses hardcoded paths to "decb11.rom" and saves out the new ROM as "coconet.rom" no matter what. When it's ready, game paks and other DOS ROMs can be patched or have code written/overlayed into a new ROM image. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 16:13:16 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:13:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904041613.16109.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 04 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >Boisy, since DW3 is not a sale product I decided to bring this to >your attention on the list like everyone does with my software >issues. It tends to help to get a collection of opinions. > >First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them >not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain >person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my >cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that >being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble with > DW3. Let me interject here that the usb-serial adapter the shack, and lots of others sell, will often be based on the pl-2303 chipset. Those are absolute poison. We found that out on the heyu list, they are fond of throwing away the first byte of a data packet. I have NDI who's chipset is in the IOGear adapter though. FTDI based adapters such as this discovery stanza from my dmesg: [ 4.200716] usb 1-10.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 [ 4.296718] usb 1-10.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0403, idProduct=6001 [ 4.296774] usb 1-10.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 4.296858] usb 1-10.2: Product: USB FAST SERIAL ADAPTER [ 4.296911] usb 1-10.2: Manufacturer: FTDI <--- the important part [ 4.296963] usb 1-10.2: SerialNumber: FTOOS09N <-- could be anything [ 4.297073] usb 1-10.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Are completely transparent. So if any of you are trying to use a pl2303 based adapter, bin it, yard sale it, whatever and get real stuff. Life is too short to fight with broken hardware like that. [...] -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Help! I'm trapped in a PDP 11/70! From hyperfrog at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 16:12:39 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:12:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DOS patch programs In-Reply-To: <20090404195604.EF60220A15@qs281.pair.com> References: <49D7AF40.3090505@gmail.com> <20090404195604.EF60220A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49D7BF37.8030407@gmail.com> Roger Taylor wrote: > At 02:04 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >> Roger Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Also, CoCo 3 users trying to patch their Disk BASIC ROM while it's >>> in RAM and saving out the image to burn to an EPROM should know that >>> the ROM won't run right on a CoCo 1 or 2. The correct way to patch >>> the Disk BASIC "2.1" ROM is to run an All-RAM routine first that >>> recopies the original BASIC, ECB, and Disk BASIC ROMs into RAM, >>> perform the patches, then save the images. Depending on the >>> situation and the ROMs in use, this might not work sometimes.... >>> >>> A cure I came up with is a new feature in CCASM that lets you write >>> DOS patch programs that are merged with an existing ROM image file >>> to create a ready-to-burn ROM. For example, a typical CoCo 3 DOS >>> patcher is a LOADM'able file with multiple ORG statements that jump >>> around the DOS ROM/RAM making changes. CCASM assembles the LOADM >>> file then overlays it with a copy of Disk BASIC 1.1. The resulting >>> ROM is naturally compatible with all CoCos that can use a disk >>> controller. >> >> That's an interesting feature, but how do you do that? Using the >> "includebin" directive? >> >> Christian > > > > CCASM has a new -rompatch switch. It's not public ready yet because > it uses hardcoded paths to "decb11.rom" and saves out the new ROM as > "coconet.rom" no matter what. > > When it's ready, game paks and other DOS ROMs can be patched or have > code written/overlayed into a new ROM image. > I'm eager to try that! BTW, when will CoCoNet be released? It's been announced for a while. Or maybe it's already available somewhere? Christian From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 16:14:24 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 04 April 2009, J.P. Samson wrote: >On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them >> not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain >> person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my >> cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that >> being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble >> with DW3. > >I believe IOGear uses Prolific chipsets for their USB-to-serial >adapters, yes? > Hoo boy, if they do, that is Rogers problem for sure. FTDI chipsets are the magic twanger. >-- JP > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) McGowan's Madison Avenue Axiom: If an item is advertised as "under $50", you can bet it's not $19.95. From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 16:23:10 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:23:10 -0600 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Apr 4, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 04 April 2009, J.P. Samson wrote: >> On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>> First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them >>> not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain >>> person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my >>> cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that >>> being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble >>> with DW3. >> >> I believe IOGear uses Prolific chipsets for their USB-to-serial >> adapters, yes? >> > Hoo boy, if they do, that is Rogers problem for sure. FTDI chipsets > are the > magic twanger. Just to double check, I downloaded the driver from the IOGear website for their one-port USB-to-serial adapter. Yup, it is a Prolific: PL-2303. -- JP From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Apr 4 16:29:32 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:29:32 -0700 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49D7C32C.6060907@cox.net> J.P. Samson wrote: > On Apr 4, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Saturday 04 April 2009, J.P. Samson wrote: >>> On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>>> First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them >>>> not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain >>>> person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my >>>> cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that >>>> being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble >>>> with DW3. >>> >>> I believe IOGear uses Prolific chipsets for their USB-to-serial >>> adapters, yes? >>> >> Hoo boy, if they do, that is Rogers problem for sure. FTDI chipsets >> are the >> magic twanger. > > Just to double check, I downloaded the driver from the IOGear website > for their one-port USB-to-serial adapter. Yup, it is a Prolific: > PL-2303. > > -- JP > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > Ya, They are called prolific, because just about everybody uses them, and they are! Tim From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Apr 4 16:35:15 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:35:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D7C483.7050703@cox.net> N8WQ wrote: > Well I have my new 40 pin pcb connector soldered on the motherboard at > a 90 degree angle and it is working great in saving me some space in > my mini tower case. My next project is to put the stupid voltage > regulator heat sink in the vertical mode. Right now it is in the > horizontal "space hog" mode. :) > > Has anybody on the list ever swapped out the heat sink with another > version? > > Alan Jones > Ya, I took it off and threw it away! about 18 years ago. I use the PC power supply to supply the coco with 12, and 5 volts. The regulator is not used, so the heat sink is not used. It was been working great ever since. I put my 40 pin connector at a 45% angle back over the MB, and use a Disto Super II with a 4in1, no multipack Fits great in a mini tower. Tim From nickma at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 4 16:39:18 2009 From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 06:39:18 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project Message-ID: <49D7C576.6070007@optusnet.com.au> > Many video players limit their supported formats, some to quite unique > ones. I don't see why a CoCo video player couldn't restrict itself > to a format prepared specifically for the CoCo. It's not "couldn't restrict", it will "have to" restrict...just as the Timex Sinclair demo. > Those phones can also play video games beyond the capabilities of a > CoCo -- so what??? Slightly different here. The CoCo always could play games, and many quite good and playable ones. Games have merely evolved from there getting better with the improvements in technology. Playing watchable video was something that was not possible on the CoCo due to technical restrictions. Phones have the benefit of advanced technology which allows them to play watchable video quite comfortably. A video player for the CoCo will struggle to play *watchable video*. That is not to say that someone like Sock Master can't amaze us with some form or video playback, I just think that apart from a moment of temporary amusement, watching an episode of "Heroes" on a CoCo video player may not be something many of us will be able to bare for too long in 16 colors at 15fps (and that would be the best it could do if it had to decode compressed video data). But please, don't let me stop anyone from trying...I'd be more than happy to eat my words if someone can prove me wrong. :) (There, I've set the challenge, whose up to it?) :) Nick From boisy at tee-boy.com Sat Apr 4 16:43:15 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 15:43:15 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <49D7C32C.6060907@cox.net> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49D7C32C.6060907@cox.net> Message-ID: <0FDC9E38-F9E0-45CB-8ED2-09F07224DFCE@tee-boy.com> Roger, I've passed your comments on to Darren Atkinson who authored those routines. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com From linville at tuxdriver.com Sat Apr 4 16:44:59 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:44:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] hi-speed coco3 always ok? Message-ID: <20090404204459.GA3307@tuxdriver.com> Can all CoCo3 boxes run reliably at 1.78MHz? I presume so, but just checkin'... Can the SuperIDE and/or the TC^3 reliably run at that rate as well? What about the Glenside IDE adapter? John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 17:05:47 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DOS patch programs In-Reply-To: <49D7BF37.8030407@gmail.com> References: <49D7AF40.3090505@gmail.com> <20090404195604.EF60220A15@qs281.pair.com> <49D7BF37.8030407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090404210557.6F85320A13@qs281.pair.com> At 03:12 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: CCASM has a new -rompatch switch. It's not public ready yet because it uses hardcoded paths to "decb11.rom" and saves out the new ROM as "coconet.rom" no matter what. >>When it's ready, game paks and other DOS ROMs can be patched or >>have code written/overlayed into a new ROM image. > >I'm eager to try that! BTW, when will CoCoNet be released? It's been >announced for a while. Or maybe it's already available somewhere? > >Christian Nobody has a copy of CoCoNet yet. When I add the LSN reader/writer to both the bitbanger version and 6551 version of the ROM, I'll put it out there to public testing. CoCoNet uses an ASCII string + CR protocol now. When the server receives a "!LSNREAD 0 0" command, for example, it means send back the logical sector number 0 for virtual disk 0. "!DSKI$ 0 17 2" uses a drive,track,sector syntax. When I'm at the point where I can plug in the wireless pak (with CoCoNet ROM), type DOS, and NitrOS-9 and/or OS-9 Level II boots up over the air from the PC I think it'll be a good time to release a beta copy of CoCoNet 6551. Actually, the code is already working in CoCoNet. It's working within a buggy NOS9/DW3 environment that's holding me up right now. I'm not sure if FORMAT is crashing the CoCo or not, but something is sending me into SparkleLand sometimes. The bitbanger version of CoCoNet is a separate compile so there will be no versions that provide 6551+bitbanger support. It's one or the other at this time. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 17:12:06 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:12:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090404211215.D2C9A20A13@qs281.pair.com> At 03:14 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >On Saturday 04 April 2009, J.P. Samson wrote: > >On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >> First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them > >> not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain > >> person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my > >> cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that > >> being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble > >> with DW3. > > > >I believe IOGear uses Prolific chipsets for their USB-to-serial > >adapters, yes? > > > >Hoo boy, if they do, that is Rogers problem for sure. FTDI chipsets are the >magic twanger. Why does CoCoNet not have a problem with the adaptor? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 4 17:13:57 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] hi-speed coco3 always ok? In-Reply-To: <20090404204459.GA3307@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <1938009439.226421238879637112.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> John, HDB-DOS runs in the high speed poke mode. Cloud-9 hardware has no problem at the high speed. Altera parts are 200MHZ+ parts and I compile with the slow slew to ease the power. Not sure about the Glenside, but I see no reason why not. Jim Hathaway??? Regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Linville" To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 3:44:59 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Coco] hi-speed coco3 always ok? Can all CoCo3 boxes run reliably at 1.78MHz? I presume so, but just checkin'... Can the SuperIDE and/or the TC^3 reliably run at that rate as well? What about the Glenside IDE adapter? John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From boisy at tee-boy.com Sat Apr 4 17:38:55 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <20090404211215.D2C9A20A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090404211215.D2C9A20A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: On Apr 4, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 03:14 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >> On Saturday 04 April 2009, J.P. Samson wrote: >> >On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> >> First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test >> them >> >> not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain >> >> person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my >> >> cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With >> that >> >> being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having >> trouble >> >> with DW3. >> > >> >I believe IOGear uses Prolific chipsets for their USB-to-serial >> >adapters, yes? >> > >> >> Hoo boy, if they do, that is Rogers problem for sure. FTDI >> chipsets are the >> magic twanger. > > Why does CoCoNet not have a problem with the adaptor? Roger, I forgot to mention in the last email that you or anyone is free to modify the source to fix problems, address bugs, etc. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 4 17:57:08 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:57:08 -0500 Subject: [Coco] The IDE drivers - BETA Message-ID: <49D7D7B4.1020806@sbcglobal.net> I am not as familiar with OS9 as I used to be. I know the manual did not tell you in a clear manner how to add the drivers to a boot list. Could someone explain to me what problems they had with the install disk? What is on the Beta disk and what does it do for you? Brian -- Brian Goers Glenside Color Computer Club URL Glenside Vice-President of Special Events http://GlensideCCC.com IDE Boards are available. Show cost $45.00 The 19th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! Includes items in the picture Will be held MAY 15 & 16, 2010! Holiday Inn & Suites in Elgin. The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 4 18:11:10 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 08:11:10 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> References: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <49D7DAFE.8060508@iinet.net.au> Nick Marentes wrote: > The real challenge is the decoding of a compressed video format fast > enough on a CoCo3 to have a reasonable frame rate. That Timex Sinclair > demo seems to be doing that...but would anyone really want to watch a > black and white blocky (text block based) video?? I think if you're attempting to play compressed video, you can forget about doing it on a Coco unless you're happy with restricting the frame rate / resolution even further. You may be able to implement something like RLE, but that's pretty much useless for anything other than "cartoon-style" graphics. An ATA IDE controller in PIO mode can transfer data up to 16.7 MB/s - 16-bit mode. Obviously the Coco can't sustain anywhere near that data rate, so the video problem with _always_ be CPU-bound. Having said that, I can't speak for the performance of the Coco IDE controller implementations. I'm assuming from Mark Marlette's comments in another thread that the Cloud9 controller is based on an Altera CPLD - you can implement an entire IDE controller running in UDMA mode in an Altera FPGA - so there should be no problem running PIO mode 4. Though IIRC, PIO rates define _minimum_ cycle times, and there's no reason why the controller can't extend them if the CPU can't use the bandwidth. Mark would have to comment on the implementation in his controller. So again, can anyone comment on the sustained throughput available on a Coco3 reading data from an IDE drive, assuming the data is simply copied into a linear buffer on the Coco? That's your starting point for estimating the feasibility of such an exercise. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 4 18:18:43 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 08:18:43 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <42510243-5A70-4CBA-9C57-DA9FB7578E4C@pobox.com> References: <49D67782.1040503@optusnet.com.au> <42510243-5A70-4CBA-9C57-DA9FB7578E4C@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49D7DCC3.4070706@iinet.net.au> Allen Huffman wrote: > This all comes up after Sean told me about a Timex Sinclair 1000 at the > Midwest Gaming Classic convention that was showing an iPod silhouette > TV ad. It was just a white background, with animated black shadow > figures dancing, but the fact it was able to do it at all was pretty > cool. I could imagine this type of trick getting attention from bloggers. There's also this that I saw some time back... Someone wrote a utility to grab the screen off a PC and stream it to an Apple II and has demonstrated it whilst playing Second Life on the PC. I saw the original project page and IIRC it was streamed over a serial channel?!? But I could be wrong... Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 4 18:24:25 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 08:24:25 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <49D7DAFE.8060508@iinet.net.au> References: <49D6962F.9050309@optusnet.com.au> <49D7DAFE.8060508@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <49D7DE19.1030306@iinet.net.au> Mark McDougall wrote: > I think if you're attempting to play compressed video, you can forget > about doing it on a Coco unless you're happy with restricting the frame > rate / resolution even further. You may be able to implement something > like RLE, but that's pretty much useless for anything other than > "cartoon-style" graphics. FWIW - and I mention this purely as a reference - I've ported a software XVID (MPEG4) player on a 100MHz NIOS CPU and it can sustain about 8 fps at 320x240! By far the biggest bottleneck is the colour-space conversion. I think we calculated that if we implemented that in hardware, or transcoded to an RGB format, we could sustain full video frame rates. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From nickma at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 4 18:37:30 2009 From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 08:37:30 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project Message-ID: <49D7E12A.5040307@optusnet.com.au> > There's also this that I saw some time back... > > Someone wrote a utility to grab the screen off a PC and stream it to an > Apple II and has demonstrated it whilst playing Second Life on the PC. Wow, 6 colours at 1fps... and there was no compression with data coming from a P4. I can see me watching "Heroes" on that!!! NOT!! Seriously, while the video playback was nothing most people can put up with for very long, kudos for the talent of the individual who created it. Tells me that 16 colours at 15fps decoded is a strong non-event on the CoCo. (Sock? This is your next challenge. Prove me wrong.) :) Nick From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 19:27:07 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:27:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <3B940AE6-D0AB-4428-B93F-0E6E898B6C78@gmail.com> <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090404211215.D2C9A20A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090404232720.020B820A14@qs281.pair.com> At 04:38 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: I forgot to mention in the last email that you or anyone is free to >modify the source to fix problems, address bugs, etc. > >Regards, >Boisy G. Pitre Thanks, but doing a rewrite of DriveWire is not for me. I'm just hoping to get a clean connection long enough to make a 6551-bootable NOS9 image. I had to go through DW3 because for some strange reason my SC 1 won't let me too far into any OS-9 bootable floppy. No big deal. I'll figure it out. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 19:40:32 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:40:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images Message-ID: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk with my own 6551 boot module and discovered that the links were copied across somehow, right after my boot module. In fact, the link is repeated 7 times, making it very obvious. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From coder32768 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 19:44:49 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:44:49 -0700 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: LOL! Anything good? On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link > embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk with my own 6551 > boot module and discovered that the links were copied across somehow, right > after my boot module. In fact, the link is repeated 7 times, making it very > obvious. > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From hyperfrog at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 19:48:48 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:48:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49D7F1E0.7060404@gmail.com> Roger Taylor wrote: > To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link > embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk with my > own 6551 boot module and discovered that the links were copied across > somehow, right after my boot module. In fact, the link is repeated 7 > times, making it very obvious. Is that what they call an easter egg? ;) Or maybe it's a bunny! I searched "http" in the disk images but could only find "http://www.nitros9.org". Christian From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Apr 4 19:59:15 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:59:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe Looks like 9 1/2 to me. :-) Tim Roger Taylor wrote: > To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link > embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk with my > own 6551 boot module and discovered that the links were copied across > somehow, right after my boot module. In fact, the link is repeated 7 > times, making it very obvious. From hyperfrog at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 20:02:40 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:02:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> Message-ID: <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> Tim Fadden wrote: > Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: > > www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe > > Yeah, I just found it too. Hehe. Not really exciting, though... From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sat Apr 4 20:06:07 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:06:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net> N8WQ wrote: > Well I have my new 40 pin pcb connector soldered on the motherboard at a > 90 degree angle and it is working great in saving me some space in my > mini tower case. My next project is to put the stupid voltage regulator > heat sink in the vertical mode. Right now it is in the horizontal "space > hog" mode. :) > > Has anybody on the list ever swapped out the heat sink with another > version? > > Alan Jones > Not me, but I did add a fan to a Coco3 so that there was significant air flow through the case. From kg4knb at hat3.net Sat Apr 4 20:30:01 2009 From: kg4knb at hat3.net (Jim Hathaway) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 19:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Coco] hi-speed coco3 always ok? In-Reply-To: <1938009439.226421238879637112.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <20090404204459.GA3307@tuxdriver.com> <1938009439.226421238879637112.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: John, I only run Nitros9 or OS9 at the higher speed (1.78Mhz). The parts on the Glenside board should support speed in the 20 Mhz range, well above anything the CoCo can drive. I also have a SD/MMC hardware project that I have worked on that uses and Atmel CPLD, as Mark said typically these parts can work at extremely high speeds. FYI, if anyone is interested I have the details of my SD/MMC project here. http://www.hat3.net/Home/multi-media-card-reader-mmc/mmc-hardware Jim Hathaway Web: http://hat3.net On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Mark Marlette wrote: > John, > > HDB-DOS runs in the high speed poke mode. > > Cloud-9 hardware has no problem at the high speed. Altera parts are 200MHZ+ > parts and I compile with the slow slew to ease the power. > > Not sure about the Glenside, but I see no reason why not. Jim Hathaway??? > > Regards, > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Linville" > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 3:44:59 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Coco] hi-speed coco3 always ok? > > Can all CoCo3 boxes run reliably at 1.78MHz? I presume so, but > just checkin'... > > Can the SuperIDE and/or the TC^3 reliably run at that rate as well? > What about the Glenside IDE adapter? > > John > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From kg4knb at hat3.net Sat Apr 4 20:36:30 2009 From: kg4knb at hat3.net (Jim Hathaway) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 19:36:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> Message-ID: Next thing you know we are going to be dealing with Spyware, Adware, worms, trojans and the like. Maybe Ethernet on the CoCo is not such a good idea after all... Jim Hathaway Web: http://hat3.net On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > Tim Fadden wrote: > >> Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: >> >> www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe >> >> >> Yeah, I just found it too. Hehe. Not really exciting, though... > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 21:03:33 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:03:33 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090405010344.D83DC20A15@qs281.pair.com> At 06:44 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >LOL! >Anything good? No. >On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > > > To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link > > embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk with > my own 6551 > > boot module and discovered that the links were copied across somehow, right > > after my boot module. In fact, the link is repeated 7 times, > making it very > > obvious. > > -- > > Roger Taylor > > > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > >-- >All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - >not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > >- Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 21:04:20 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:04:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <49D7F1E0.7060404@gmail.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F1E0.7060404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090405010430.775C720A14@qs281.pair.com> At 06:48 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >Roger Taylor wrote: >>To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn >>link embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk >>with my own 6551 boot module and discovered that the links were >>copied across somehow, right after my boot module. In fact, the >>link is repeated 7 times, making it very obvious. >Is that what they call an easter egg? ;) Or maybe it's a bunny! > >I searched "http" in the disk images but could only find >"http://www.nitros9.org". > >Christian Try "www". -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 4 21:06:59 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090405010718.78ADF20A13@qs281.pair.com> At 07:36 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >Next thing you know we are going to be dealing with Spyware, Adware, worms, >trojans and the like. Maybe Ethernet on the CoCo is not such a good idea >after all... >Jim Hathaway Highly unlikely, Jim. It's only an ASCII string with a repeated URL. There's no actual clickable link or anything remotely network related about it. But it's there. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 21:26:24 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Free Dot Matrix printers. Message-ID: <889830d00904041826q7f9277bgcf4d86139867a1de@mail.gmail.com> I have three printers I would like to get rid of, and I thought I would give the CoCo list first stab at these printers before I post them to Craigslist next week. The printers status are "untested, so I am offering them as is and for free. I would prefer to give them to someone living within driving distance of me (Bellevue WA), but if you want to pay for shipping (and boxes) feel free to make an offer. The printers are: Quantity two: Panasonic KX P1124 Quantity one: Stare NX10 Drop me a line in private if you are interested. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From chawks at dls.net Sat Apr 4 21:43:20 2009 From: chawks at dls.net (Christopher Hawks) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:43:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> Jim Hathaway said the following on 04/04/2009 07:36 PM: > Next thing you know we are going to be dealing with Spyware, Adware, worms, > trojans and the like. Maybe Ethernet on the CoCo is not such a good idea > after all... > Jim Hathaway > Web: http://hat3.net > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > >> Tim Fadden wrote: >> >>> Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: >>> >>> www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe >>> >>> >>> Yeah, I just found it too. Hehe. Not really exciting, though... That's the padding in the kernel module. Check the source. NitrOS9/level2/modules/kernel/krn.asm -- Christopher R. Hawks HAWKSoft --------------------------------------------------------- "The strongest test of any system is not how well its features conform to anticipated needs but how well it performs when one wants to do something the designer did not forsee." -- Alan Kay, Xerox PARC From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 22:11:00 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:11:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire 3 In-Reply-To: <20090404211215.D2C9A20A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404182608.D8FE220A13@qs281.pair.com> <200904041614.24216.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090404211215.D2C9A20A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904042211.01017.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 04 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >At 03:14 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >>On Saturday 04 April 2009, J.P. Samson wrote: >> >On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> >> First, let me mention that I sell HQ bitbanger cables. I test them >> >> not only at 115200 bps, but at twice that speed using a certain >> >> person's unannounced bitbanger routines. Not only that, but my >> >> cables are tested using an IOGear USB to Serial adaptor. With that >> >> being said, I doubt that my cables are the reason I'm having trouble >> >> with DW3. >> > >> >I believe IOGear uses Prolific chipsets for their USB-to-serial >> >adapters, yes? >> >>Hoo boy, if they do, that is Rogers problem for sure. FTDI chipsets are >> the magic twanger. > >Why does CoCoNet not have a problem with the adaptor? Probably because once you wake it up, it might be ok? I don't know for sure, but they are a huge PITA in situations where it might not have a byte to send for several hours, like when using them with heyu. Or trying to monitor the data stream coming out of a UPS, that is moderately busy since the UPS will normally issue a status update at about 1 second intervals to the monitoring daemon. In that service, the logs will record that the device has died, and then showed up again, several times a minute, a great way to generate a 200 megabyte log in 2 or 3 days. The machines uptime will be from whenever you enable the UPSD to issue graceful shutdown orders because there has been a power failure (so it thinks due to the error) when the first error occurs. If you put a tee on the data coming out, what you see is that the first, attention byte in a string of 4 or 5 (heyu) to maybe 75 from the ups, is missing from the data stream. Plug in an FTDI adaptor and everything works as expected. 2 weeks later the last log entry will still be where it discovered the new device when you plugged it in. They Just Work(TM). This has been researched at length on the heyu list, so I'm not just a voice in the wilderness about this. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's; I will not Reason and Compare; my business is to Create. -- William Blake, "Jerusalem" From hyperfrog at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 22:11:23 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:11:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> Message-ID: <49D8134B.9000102@gmail.com> Christopher Hawks wrote: > Jim Hathaway said the following on 04/04/2009 07:36 PM: >> Next thing you know we are going to be dealing with Spyware, Adware, >> worms, >> trojans and the like. Maybe Ethernet on the CoCo is not such a good idea >> after all... >> Jim Hathaway >> Web: http://hat3.net >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Christian Lesage >> wrote: >> >>> Tim Fadden wrote: >>> >>>> Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: >>>> >>>> www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, I just found it too. Hehe. Not really exciting, though... > > That's the padding in the kernel module. Check the source. > NitrOS9/level2/modules/kernel/krn.asm > That's right, padding... And it's there since version 1.4 (2003). Well... maybe not a bad choice, considering all the padding she's got. ;) From boisy at tee-boy.com Sat Apr 4 22:39:26 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:39:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> Message-ID: As someone pointed out, this padding has been in the kernel for some time; the choice of text was based on an inside joke that several of us on the early disassembly team were in on. To my knowledge, this is the first time I recall anyone mentioning it. On Apr 4, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Christopher Hawks wrote: > Jim Hathaway said the following on 04/04/2009 07:36 PM: >> Next thing you know we are going to be dealing with Spyware, >> Adware, worms, >> trojans and the like. Maybe Ethernet on the CoCo is not such a good >> idea >> after all... >> Jim Hathaway >> Web: http://hat3.net >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Christian Lesage >> wrote: >>> Tim Fadden wrote: >>> >>>> Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: >>>> >>>> www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, I just found it too. Hehe. Not really exciting, though... > > That's the padding in the kernel module. Check the source. > NitrOS9/level2/modules/kernel/krn.asm > > -- > Christopher R. Hawks > HAWKSoft > --------------------------------------------------------- > "The strongest test of any system is not how well its features > conform to > anticipated needs but how well it performs when one wants to do > something > the designer did not forsee." > -- Alan Kay, Xerox PARC > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 22:49:35 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:49:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904042249.35439.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 04 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link >embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk with my >own 6551 boot module and discovered that the links were copied across >somehow, right after my boot module. In fact, the link is repeated 7 >times, making it very obvious. In which case it won't boot because that would make the boot track longer than the track is, which is 4608 decimal bytes, $1200 hex. That is not in the boot tracks I've ever generated. There are a few bytes that aren't readily obvious as to what they do, one being the first (4?) bytes of the track, which IIRC contain the characters OS followed by the exec address of the first module, that is for compatibility with the basic. Then at the end of the track, supposedly beyond the end of the last of 3 modules, is a 4? (memory is gettin hazy) integer table of IRQ addresses that will when moved to high ram where this code runs, supplying the addresses in low ram that a given hardware interrupt is vectored to when the various IRQ's are asserted. Those last 8 bytes fill up the whole of track 34 on a floppy. There may be a string of $39's (RETurns) between the crc of the last module and this table also. Anything that mucks with that will quite likely cause a crash at about the time you see the OS9, BOOT message. How many bytes do these things occupy, and can you capture it? If this is true, its a first in what, 29 years? I'd be one of the first to tell you to disinfect your winderz box, but I won't say that till I've seen that generated 'bttrk' that mb generates when run as maybe the sourceforge code has been attacked. My last dl of 3.2.8 is over a year old, and I know its clean. You may have to modify the mb file you are using so that it (bttrk) is not automatically deleted when its done with it, thereby leaving it on the src disk so you can look at it easier. Both dEd and vfy are quite handy tools for this. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It's easier to take it apart than to put it back together. -- Washlesky From fwp at deepthought.com Sat Apr 4 23:33:26 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> Message-ID: <20090405033326.GT3839@warlock.deepthought.com> I've seen it mentioned somewhere in the past a few times. I forget if it was here or on coco3. It was always explained as a joke and no one ever persued it past that. I would have used something different like "www.chicagobears.com" or "www.nfl.com" though. Frank On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 09:39:26PM -0500, Boisy Pitre wrote: > As someone pointed out, this padding has been in the kernel for some > time; the choice of text was based on an inside joke that several of us > on the early disassembly team were in on. > > To my knowledge, this is the first time I recall anyone mentioning it. > > On Apr 4, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Christopher Hawks wrote: > >> Jim Hathaway said the following on 04/04/2009 07:36 PM: >>> Next thing you know we are going to be dealing with Spyware, Adware, >>> worms, >>> trojans and the like. Maybe Ethernet on the CoCo is not such a good >>> idea >>> after all... >>> Jim Hathaway >>> Web: http://hat3.net >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Christian Lesage >>> wrote: >>>> Tim Fadden wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: >>>>> >>>>> www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, I just found it too. Hehe. Not really exciting, though... >> >> That's the padding in the kernel module. Check the source. >> NitrOS9/level2/modules/kernel/krn.asm >> >> -- >> Christopher R. Hawks >> HAWKSoft >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> "The strongest test of any system is not how well its features conform >> to >> anticipated needs but how well it performs when one wants to do >> something >> the designer did not forsee." >> -- Alan Kay, Xerox PARC >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Apr 4 23:08:12 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:08:12 -0700 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> Message-ID: <49D8209C.5080909@cox.net> Christopher Hawks wrote: > Jim Hathaway said the following on 04/04/2009 07:36 PM: >> Next thing you know we are going to be dealing with Spyware, Adware, >> worms, >> trojans and the like. Maybe Ethernet on the CoCo is not such a good idea >> after all... >> Jim Hathaway >> Web: http://hat3.net >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Christian Lesage >> wrote: >> >>> Tim Fadden wrote: >>> >>>> Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: >>>> >>>> www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, I just found it too. Hehe. Not really exciting, though... > > That's the padding in the kernel module. Check the source. > NitrOS9/level2/modules/kernel/krn.asm > So whats the point of using a porn site for padding. Kind of juvinile if you ask me, but then nobody did! :-) Tim From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 23:27:13 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:27:13 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> Message-ID: <200904042327.13215.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 04 April 2009, Tim Fadden wrote: >Yup, somethings in there! Looks like this: > >www.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen >.comwww.katvixwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixen.comwww.katvixe > > >Looks like 9 1/2 to me. :-) > >Tim > >Roger Taylor wrote: >> To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link >> embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk with my >> own 6551 boot module and discovered that the links were copied across >> somehow, right after my boot module. In fact, the link is repeated 7 >> times, making it very obvious. That triggered a memory, and I have seen it in the nitros9 tree someplace. Yeah, its part of nitros9/level2/coco3/modules/krn (which used to be os9p1 in os9 days). I suspect it is actually innocuous space filler to make the module the right length. I say that because it has to be in my boot disks too, and they work so its not hurting a thing. The order in the bttrk is an 8 byte header for basics use, rel, boot, krn and that is just after the krn module header. The tail end is 16 bytes long, and also includes a filler string before the table. I must say after taking a look, there sure is enough of that girl. Pleasing to the touch plump. ;) Now the question is, who put it in there? It has been there for quite a while, as it is also in the 3.2.6 release. Chuckle. Roger, I'd ignore it, that is not your problem. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) new, adj.: Different color from previous model. From chester6809 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 23:28:37 2009 From: chester6809 at gmail.com (Chester Patterson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:28:37 -0600 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <46501E39938E4C959CF741ACC5EF7F2C@chester> Saw that about 2 years ago. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Taylor [mailto:operator at coco3.com] Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 5:41 PM To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link embedded in the boot track. I just built a fresh boot disk with my own 6551 boot module and discovered that the links were copied across somehow, right after my boot module. In fact, the link is repeated 7 times, making it very obvious. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Sun Apr 5 00:52:35 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:52:35 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> Message-ID: <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> At 09:39 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >As someone pointed out, this padding has been in the kernel for some >time; the choice of text was based on an inside joke that several of >us on the early disassembly team were in on. > >To my knowledge, this is the first time I recall anyone mentioning it. I recall someone right here on the list asking about those URLs, some months back. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 01:32:14 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:32:14 +1000 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com><49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com><49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <009c01c9b5af$e333d920$0701a8c0@master> Roger, In fact I did question Boisy about this a while back. If it was a practical joke, then it's outlived its funni-ness. It was fairly puerile, in my view. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Taylor" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images > At 09:39 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >>As someone pointed out, this padding has been in the kernel for some >>time; the choice of text was based on an inside joke that several of >>us on the early disassembly team were in on. >> >>To my knowledge, this is the first time I recall anyone mentioning it. > > I recall someone right here on the list asking about those URLs, some > months back. > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From boisy at tee-boy.com Sun Apr 5 08:35:46 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 07:35:46 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <009c01c9b5af$e333d920$0701a8c0@master> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com><49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com><49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> <009c01c9b5af$e333d920$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <23E262F0-AD42-497C-8A20-AAA2BDE2EC28@tee-boy.com> Bob, I don't recall seeing an email from you or anyone else about this. In fact, I had forgotten about this egg until it became the hot topic on the list that it is now. Anyone who finds the padding content offensive can check out the file, modify the padding and commit the change back to the repository. The new padding content will show up in the next nightly build. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:32 AM, Bob Devries wrote: > Roger, > In fact I did question Boisy about this a while back. If it was a > practical joke, then it's outlived its funni-ness. It was fairly > puerile, in my view. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Taylor" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images > > >> At 09:39 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >>> As someone pointed out, this padding has been in the kernel for some >>> time; the choice of text was based on an inside joke that several of >>> us on the early disassembly team were in on. >>> >>> To my knowledge, this is the first time I recall anyone mentioning >>> it. >> >> I recall someone right here on the list asking about those URLs, >> some months back. >> >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor >> >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun Apr 5 08:44:44 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:44:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com><49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com><49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: > I recall someone right here on the list asking about those URLs, some > months back. > > > -- > Roger Taylor I wonder if that is why some of my anit-virus programs trashed some of my CoCo files? Bruce W. From boisy at tee-boy.com Sun Apr 5 09:35:52 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <5DC74849-2A2B-402E-B7CB-08C1265CC04A@tee-boy.com> On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 09:39 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >> As someone pointed out, this padding has been in the kernel for some >> time; the choice of text was based on an inside joke that several of >> us on the early disassembly team were in on. >> >> To my knowledge, this is the first time I recall anyone mentioning >> it. > > I recall someone right here on the list asking about those URLs, > some months back. Why then, did you choose to broach the subject if it had already been brought up before? Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com From exwn8jef at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 09:43:12 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 09:43:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <009c01c9b5af$e333d920$0701a8c0@master> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com><49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com><49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> <009c01c9b5af$e333d920$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <49D8B570.3020800@gmail.com> I am curious what Brother Jeremy would say about this. Who ever is in charge of the source code I am asking that you remove it and put something more appropriate in its place. I don't know how to compile my own version of NitrOS- 9 or I would do it my self. Thanks in advance. Rev. O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Bob Devries wrote: > Roger, > In fact I did question Boisy about this a while back. If it was a > practical joke, then it's outlived its funni-ness. It was fairly > puerile, in my view. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Taylor" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images > > >> At 09:39 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >>> As someone pointed out, this padding has been in the kernel for some >>> time; the choice of text was based on an inside joke that several of >>> us on the early disassembly team were in on. >>> >>> To my knowledge, this is the first time I recall anyone mentioning it. >> >> I recall someone right here on the list asking about those URLs, some >> months back. >> >> >> -- >> Roger Taylor >> >> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 5 11:27:07 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <23E262F0-AD42-497C-8A20-AAA2BDE2EC28@tee-boy.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com><49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com><49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> <009c01c9b5af$e333d920$0701a8c0@master> <23E262F0-AD42-497C-8A20-AAA2BDE2EC28@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <49D8CDCB.8030207@worldnet.att.net> As another Bob, I know I've mentioned this padding a long time ago. It might even have been discussed in the developers newsletter when it still existed. It certainly never mattered to me what was used for padding. If anyone finds it offensive, they need to get a sense of humor. Boisy Pitre wrote: > Bob, I don't recall seeing an email from you or anyone else about this. > In fact, I had forgotten about this egg until it became the hot topic on > the list that it is now. > > Anyone who finds the padding content offensive can check out the file, > modify the padding and commit the change back to the repository. The > new padding content will show up in the next nightly build. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 12:51:31 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:51:31 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Message-ID: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into HBD-D0S and/or NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of HBD-DOS / NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to connect my CoCo system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with Windows 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 drives. I plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other emulators and development apps. I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that would take the fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and insight about what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I described. I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also connect disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? Cheers, Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From fwp at deepthought.com Sun Apr 5 13:45:46 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> You will need at least one floppy drive to set things up. The setup program for hdb dos will help you the offset. I would also suggest that you install the hdb-dos rom image in one of the flash banks on your Superide. This way you can start your coco and access the superide without a floppy. Frank On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:51:31AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: > My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into HBD-D0S and/or > NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of HBD-DOS / > NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. > > Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to connect my CoCo > system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with Windows > 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 drives. I > plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other emulators and > development apps. > > I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that would take the > fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and insight about > what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I described. > > I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) > > How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also connect > disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? > > Cheers, > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 14:00:27 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:00:27 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Frank, Yeah, I figured I would need a disk drive to set up the SuperIDE with HBD-DOS, and NitrOS-9. After that is done, I should only need to use a disk drive locally only if I am not using Drive Wire, or at least that is my hope. I believe some Basic programs may require a local disk drive, but those are mostly games from what I have picked up from the list. Cheers, Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Frank Pittel wrote: > > You will need at least one floppy drive to set things up. The setup program > for hdb dos will help you the offset. I would also suggest that you install > the hdb-dos rom image in one of the flash banks on your Superide. This way > you can start your coco and access the superide without a floppy. > > Frank > > > On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:51:31AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: > > My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into HBD-D0S > and/or > > NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of HBD-DOS / > > NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. > > > > Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to connect my CoCo > > system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with Windows > > 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 drives. > I > > plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other emulators and > > development apps. > > > > I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that would take > the > > fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and insight about > > what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I described. > > > > I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) > > > > How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also connect > > disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Cox > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From boisy at tee-boy.com Sun Apr 5 14:36:18 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 13:36:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5BD8F6B9-7C46-40EB-9CD8-386F61C7C447@tee-boy.com> Jim, I don't want to spoil the fun, because going through the exercise is a neat experience, as you noted. But as Frank stated, you will need a floppy drive to at least get HDB-DOS setup and burned into the flash of the SuperIDE. Keep us posted on your progress. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Yeah, I figured I would need a disk drive to set up the SuperIDE with > HBD-DOS, and NitrOS-9. After that is done, I should only need to > use a disk > drive locally only if I am not using Drive Wire, or at least that is > my > hope. > > I believe some Basic programs may require a local disk drive, but > those are > mostly games from what I have picked up from the list. > > Cheers, > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Frank Pittel > wrote: > >> >> You will need at least one floppy drive to set things up. The setup >> program >> for hdb dos will help you the offset. I would also suggest that you >> install >> the hdb-dos rom image in one of the flash banks on your Superide. >> This way >> you can start your coco and access the superide without a floppy. >> >> Frank >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:51:31AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: >>> My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into HBD- >>> D0S >> and/or >>> NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of HBD- >>> DOS / >>> NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. >>> >>> Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to connect >>> my CoCo >>> system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with >>> Windows >>> 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 >>> drives. >> I >>> plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other emulators >>> and >>> development apps. >>> >>> I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that would >>> take >> the >>> fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and insight >>> about >>> what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I >>> described. >>> >>> I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) >>> >>> How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also >>> connect >>> disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jim Cox >>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >>> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >>> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From fwp at deepthought.com Sun Apr 5 15:33:30 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:33:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090405193330.GV3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Unfortunatly you'll also need a floppy drive when using hdb-dos to move files between a drivewire drive and your CF card. Unfortunatly hdb-dos only supports one or the other. On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 11:00:27AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Yeah, I figured I would need a disk drive to set up the SuperIDE with > HBD-DOS, and NitrOS-9. After that is done, I should only need to use a disk > drive locally only if I am not using Drive Wire, or at least that is my > hope. > > I believe some Basic programs may require a local disk drive, but those are > mostly games from what I have picked up from the list. > > Cheers, > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Frank Pittel wrote: > > > > > You will need at least one floppy drive to set things up. The setup program > > for hdb dos will help you the offset. I would also suggest that you install > > the hdb-dos rom image in one of the flash banks on your Superide. This way > > you can start your coco and access the superide without a floppy. > > > > Frank > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:51:31AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: > > > My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into HBD-D0S > > and/or > > > NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of HBD-DOS / > > > NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. > > > > > > Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to connect my CoCo > > > system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with Windows > > > 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 drives. > > I > > > plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other emulators and > > > development apps. > > > > > > I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that would take > > the > > > fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and insight about > > > what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I described. > > > > > > I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) > > > > > > How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also connect > > > disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Cox > > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 15:12:07 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:12:07 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <5BD8F6B9-7C46-40EB-9CD8-386F61C7C447@tee-boy.com> References: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> <5BD8F6B9-7C46-40EB-9CD8-386F61C7C447@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <889830d00904051212m5481ff22t1f4fa329368be581@mail.gmail.com> Hi Boisy, Yes, I took Frank's statement to mean that I will need a Disk Drive to load HDB-DOS to the flash (CF card?) on the SuperIDE, but after that, I should only need it for when I move files from the Host PC to the CF card (as per Frank's second email) and for applications that may have issues with using DW, but I don't expect many of those. I do plan to keep the crowd informed. As sick as it sounds, now that the Sun is out in the Seattle area, I feel like diving in to my CoCo again. SAD isn't it (SAD pun intended :-) Cheers, Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Boisy Pitre wrote: > Jim, > > I don't want to spoil the fun, because going through the exercise is a neat > experience, as you noted. But as Frank stated, you will need a floppy drive > to at least get HDB-DOS setup and burned into the flash of the SuperIDE. > > Keep us posted on your progress. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > > On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > > Hi Frank, >> >> Yeah, I figured I would need a disk drive to set up the SuperIDE with >> HBD-DOS, and NitrOS-9. After that is done, I should only need to use a >> disk >> drive locally only if I am not using Drive Wire, or at least that is my >> hope. >> >> I believe some Basic programs may require a local disk drive, but those >> are >> mostly games from what I have picked up from the list. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Frank Pittel >> wrote: >> >> >>> You will need at least one floppy drive to set things up. The setup >>> program >>> for hdb dos will help you the offset. I would also suggest that you >>> install >>> the hdb-dos rom image in one of the flash banks on your Superide. This >>> way >>> you can start your coco and access the superide without a floppy. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:51:31AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: >>> >>>> My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into HBD-D0S >>>> >>> and/or >>> >>>> NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of HBD-DOS / >>>> NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. >>>> >>>> Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to connect my >>>> CoCo >>>> system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with Windows >>>> 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 drives. >>>> >>> I >>> >>>> plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other emulators and >>>> development apps. >>>> >>>> I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that would take >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and insight about >>>> what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I described. >>>> >>>> I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) >>>> >>>> How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also connect >>>> disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Jim Cox >>>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Sun Apr 5 15:28:16 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:28:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <5DC74849-2A2B-402E-B7CB-08C1265CC04A@tee-boy.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49D7F453.8090903@cox.net> <49D7F520.4050802@gmail.com> <49D80CB8.4040306@dls.net> <20090405045246.D94E920A13@qs281.pair.com> <5DC74849-2A2B-402E-B7CB-08C1265CC04A@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <20090405192832.265FE20A14@qs281.pair.com> At 08:35 AM 4/5/2009, you wrote: >On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >>At 09:39 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote: >>>As someone pointed out, this padding has been in the kernel for some >>>time; the choice of text was based on an inside joke that several of >>>us on the early disassembly team were in on. >>> >>>To my knowledge, this is the first time I recall anyone mentioning >>>it. >> >>I recall someone right here on the list asking about those URLs, >>some months back. > > >Why then, did you choose to broach the subject if it had already been >brought up before? > >Regards, >Boisy G. Pitre >-- I guess because whoever is building these NitrOS-9 images might need to know that it's very odd for the links to still be there. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 5 15:42:06 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:42:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Anyone interested in testing a new sc6551 driver? Message-ID: <49D9098E.2010304@worldnet.att.net> If anyone is interested in testing a new version of the sc6651.dr, I have one I'd like some feedback on. It is only for Level II but either 6809 or 6309. I think it works better than the one in the current Nitros-9 distribution, at least it does with my null-modem tests. I you are interested, drop me an e-mail and I'll sent the drivers. From jlhickle at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 20:00:48 2009 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images Message-ID: <36776.74932.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A domain name where most people could never see it doesn't seem very scandalous in comparison with the stuff I've found on second hand media. From ed.orbea at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 20:07:19 2009 From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Coco] 6551 Drivers Message-ID: <9e22cc9d0904051707t611e530cpc54c298fb6646abd@mail.gmail.com> Robert: In regareds you your revised 6551 drivers, I'd like a copy. You should still have my email address from previous communications. Ed Orbea From coder32768 at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 05:05:14 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 02:05:14 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <5BD8F6B9-7C46-40EB-9CD8-386F61C7C447@tee-boy.com> References: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> <5BD8F6B9-7C46-40EB-9CD8-386F61C7C447@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: If you wanted to set things up so that you have a RSDOS partition but also an OS/9 / Nitros9 partition, what's the general plan of attack for that? That's hopefully the direction I am going and what I am wanting to build. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Boisy Pitre wrote: > Jim, > > I don't want to spoil the fun, because going through the exercise is a neat > experience, as you noted. But as Frank stated, you will need a floppy drive > to at least get HDB-DOS setup and burned into the flash of the SuperIDE. > > Keep us posted on your progress. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > > On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > > Hi Frank, >> >> Yeah, I figured I would need a disk drive to set up the SuperIDE with >> HBD-DOS, and NitrOS-9. After that is done, I should only need to use a >> disk >> drive locally only if I am not using Drive Wire, or at least that is my >> hope. >> >> I believe some Basic programs may require a local disk drive, but those >> are >> mostly games from what I have picked up from the list. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Frank Pittel >> wrote: >> >> >>> You will need at least one floppy drive to set things up. The setup >>> program >>> for hdb dos will help you the offset. I would also suggest that you >>> install >>> the hdb-dos rom image in one of the flash banks on your Superide. This >>> way >>> you can start your coco and access the superide without a floppy. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:51:31AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: >>> >>>> My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into HBD-D0S >>>> >>> and/or >>> >>>> NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of HBD-DOS / >>>> NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. >>>> >>>> Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to connect my >>>> CoCo >>>> system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with Windows >>>> 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 drives. >>>> >>> I >>> >>>> plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other emulators and >>>> development apps. >>>> >>>> I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that would take >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and insight about >>>> what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I described. >>>> >>>> I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) >>>> >>>> How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also connect >>>> disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Jim Cox >>>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Mon Apr 6 05:30:07 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 03:30:07 -0600 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090406093007.GB28052@virgo.sdc.org> On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 06:40:32PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: > To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link > embedded in the boot track. !!!! Looks like someone was doing some one-handed coding. ;-) :-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-) :-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-) :-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-) Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From os9dude at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 05:33:52 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 05:33:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 floppy images In-Reply-To: <20090406093007.GB28052@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090404234043.4720020A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090406093007.GB28052@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <5631e580904060233o18313981xbb5e8bebc0dc52fc@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Willard Goosey wrote: > On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 06:40:32PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: >> To whomever this concerns: the NitrOS-9 .dsk images have a porn link >> embedded in the boot track. > > !!!! > > Looks like someone was doing some one-handed coding. ;-) > > :-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-) > :-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-) > :-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-):-);-):-) > > Willard Got me thinking if that may refer to the backview image of the three Microware mugateers once spoken about by the great Bill Barden... -=[ Rogelio ]=- From boisy at tee-boy.com Mon Apr 6 07:02:04 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: References: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> <5BD8F6B9-7C46-40EB-9CD8-386F61C7C447@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <6A5CA94F-DB09-4D0B-890E-2014C72107B7@tee-boy.com> Rick, HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the partition, etc. This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and it's for that reason we offer a customization service. Boisy On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:05 AM, Rick Taylor wrote: > If you wanted to set things up so that you have a RSDOS partition > but also > an OS/9 / Nitros9 partition, what's the general plan of attack for > that? > That's hopefully the direction I am going and what I am wanting to > build. > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Boisy Pitre > wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> I don't want to spoil the fun, because going through the exercise >> is a neat >> experience, as you noted. But as Frank stated, you will need a >> floppy drive >> to at least get HDB-DOS setup and burned into the flash of the >> SuperIDE. >> >> Keep us posted on your progress. >> >> Regards, >> Boisy G. Pitre >> -- >> Tee-Boy >> Mobile: 337.781.3570 >> Email: boisy at tee-boy.com >> Web: http://www.tee-boy.com >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jim Cox wrote: >> >> Hi Frank, >>> >>> Yeah, I figured I would need a disk drive to set up the SuperIDE >>> with >>> HBD-DOS, and NitrOS-9. After that is done, I should only need to >>> use a >>> disk >>> drive locally only if I am not using Drive Wire, or at least that >>> is my >>> hope. >>> >>> I believe some Basic programs may require a local disk drive, but >>> those >>> are >>> mostly games from what I have picked up from the list. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jim Cox >>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >>> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >>> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Frank Pittel >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You will need at least one floppy drive to set things up. The setup >>>> program >>>> for hdb dos will help you the offset. I would also suggest that you >>>> install >>>> the hdb-dos rom image in one of the flash banks on your Superide. >>>> This >>>> way >>>> you can start your coco and access the superide without a floppy. >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:51:31AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: >>>> >>>>> My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into >>>>> HBD-D0S >>>>> >>>> and/or >>>> >>>>> NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of >>>>> HBD-DOS / >>>>> NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. >>>>> >>>>> Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to >>>>> connect my >>>>> CoCo >>>>> system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with >>>>> Windows >>>>> 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 >>>>> drives. >>>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>>> plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other >>>>> emulators and >>>>> development apps. >>>>> >>>>> I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that >>>>> would take >>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>> fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and >>>>> insight about >>>>> what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I >>>>> described. >>>>> >>>>> I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) >>>>> >>>>> How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also >>>>> connect >>>>> disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Jim Cox >>>>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > > -- > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 6 07:20:13 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 07:20:13 -0400 Subject: [Coco] File transfers over DriveWire between PC and Coco hard disk Message-ID: <49D9E56D.8000503@worldnet.att.net> There have been some claims that you need a floppy drive on the Coco to transfer files between a DriveWire mounted image on a PC and a Coco hard drive. That is not correct. It is easy to set up a RAM disk on a Coco for use with HDBDOS. Drives 2 and 3 become full RAM disk with a 512K Coco, rather than floppy or hard drive "disks" under Basic. The content of these drives is stable even after a hard reset with ALT+CTRL+REST. I have tested the RAM disk code that works with the KEN-TON scsi RGBDOS on a DriveWire HDBDOS system and the RAM disk still works. That means you can have your normal HDBDOS in ROM, load the RAM disk, load HDBDOS DW3, copy files from the PC to the RAM disk, reboot the Coco, start up the RAM disk, and the contents are still available for transfer to your Coco hard drive. It is much easier running NitrOS-9 as no RAM disk is needed. From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Mon Apr 6 09:15:10 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <1963169767.506191239023673547.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <366584836.506481239023710516.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Rick, I keep all of the distributions that I setup the same. All offsets are equal, this allows a users to take his CF and plug it into another machine without re-FLASHing. Done this MANY times at the fest. SuperIDE has 4-16k internal FLASH banks. We typically place DW in bank 0. A 256MB CF, bank2(256), if 128MB CF, bank1(128). That way through a poke or hardware switch change on the SuperIDE you have what you need in seconds. Easy to remember. Regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Taylor" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 4:05:14 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. If you wanted to set things up so that you have a RSDOS partition but also an OS/9 / Nitros9 partition, what's the general plan of attack for that? That's hopefully the direction I am going and what I am wanting to build. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Boisy Pitre wrote: > Jim, > > I don't want to spoil the fun, because going through the exercise is a neat > experience, as you noted. But as Frank stated, you will need a floppy drive > to at least get HDB-DOS setup and burned into the flash of the SuperIDE. > > Keep us posted on your progress. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > > On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > > Hi Frank, >> >> Yeah, I figured I would need a disk drive to set up the SuperIDE with >> HBD-DOS, and NitrOS-9. After that is done, I should only need to use a >> disk >> drive locally only if I am not using Drive Wire, or at least that is my >> hope. >> >> I believe some Basic programs may require a local disk drive, but those >> are >> mostly games from what I have picked up from the list. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Frank Pittel >> wrote: >> >> >>> You will need at least one floppy drive to set things up. The setup >>> program >>> for hdb dos will help you the offset. I would also suggest that you >>> install >>> the hdb-dos rom image in one of the flash banks on your Superide. This >>> way >>> you can start your coco and access the superide without a floppy. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:51:31AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: >>> >>>> My plan is to set up my CoCo system so that it will boot into HBD-D0S >>>> >>> and/or >>> >>>> NitrOS-9 from a SuperIDE. I know I need to load the images of HBD-DOS / >>>> NitrOS-9 onto a CF card connected to my SuperIDE. >>>> >>>> Once the CoCo has booted up, I then want it to be able to connect my >>>> CoCo >>>> system to a PC via DriveWire. The host PC is a Dell GX100 with Windows >>>> 2000, and has the ability to recognize 360K 5 1/4 and 720K 3 1/3 drives. >>>> >>> I >>> >>>> plan to run MESS and VCC on this PC, and possibly other emulators and >>>> development apps. >>>> >>>> I don't want anyone to tell me how to do this, because that would take >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> fun out of it. What I could use though is some advice and insight about >>>> what I need to consider when setting up the CoCo system as I described. >>>> >>>> I know that RTFMs will be required, so no need to repeat that :-) >>>> >>>> How helpful will an MPI be in this configuration? Should I also connect >>>> disk drives to the CoCo? Any hints about driver issues? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Jim Cox >>>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Apr 6 09:54:56 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 08:54:56 -0500 Subject: [Coco] File transfers over DriveWire between PC and Coco hard disk In-Reply-To: <49D9E56D.8000503@worldnet.att.net> References: <49D9E56D.8000503@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <49DA09B0.7060406@swbell.net> Robert Gault wrote: > There have been some claims that you need a floppy drive on the Coco > to transfer files between a DriveWire mounted image on a PC and a Coco > hard drive. That is not correct. > > It is easy to set up a RAM disk on a Coco for use with HDBDOS. Drives > 2 and 3 become full RAM disk with a 512K Coco, rather than floppy or > hard drive "disks" under Basic. > The content of these drives is stable even after a hard reset with > ALT+CTRL+REST. > > I have tested the RAM disk code that works with the KEN-TON scsi > RGBDOS on a DriveWire HDBDOS system and the RAM disk still works. That > means you can have your normal HDBDOS in ROM, load the RAM disk, load > HDBDOS DW3, copy files from the PC to the RAM disk, reboot the Coco, > start up the RAM disk, and the contents are still available for > transfer to your Coco hard drive. Hi Robert, Which RAM disk are you using? Is this one that is generally available? I tried out at least a couple different RAM disk programs and they stomped on Drivewire, so I've been working on a BASIC program to do some Drivewire file management tasks. If there's a RAM disk that does what I need, I might turn my attention to other projects. JCE > > It is much easier running NitrOS-9 as no RAM disk is needed. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From fwp at deepthought.com Mon Apr 6 11:46:54 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:46:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] File transfers over DriveWire between PC and Coco hard disk In-Reply-To: <49D9E56D.8000503@worldnet.att.net> References: <49D9E56D.8000503@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20090406154654.GW3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Can you try creating a ram disk under the version of hdb-dos needed for Superide support and then load the drivewire version of hdb-dos and see it the ram disk is intact? Frank On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 07:20:13AM -0400, Robert Gault wrote: > There have been some claims that you need a floppy drive on the Coco to > transfer files between a DriveWire mounted image on a PC and a Coco hard > drive. That is not correct. > > It is easy to set up a RAM disk on a Coco for use with HDBDOS. Drives 2 > and 3 become full RAM disk with a 512K Coco, rather than floppy or hard > drive "disks" under Basic. > The content of these drives is stable even after a hard reset with > ALT+CTRL+REST. > > I have tested the RAM disk code that works with the KEN-TON scsi RGBDOS > on a DriveWire HDBDOS system and the RAM disk still works. That means > you can have your normal HDBDOS in ROM, load the RAM disk, load HDBDOS > DW3, copy files from the PC to the RAM disk, reboot the Coco, start up > the RAM disk, and the contents are still available for transfer to your > Coco hard drive. > > It is much easier running NitrOS-9 as no RAM disk is needed. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From boisy at tee-boy.com Mon Apr 6 11:17:57 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:17:57 -0500 Subject: [Coco] File transfers over DriveWire between PC and Coco hard disk In-Reply-To: <20090406154654.GW3839@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <49D9E56D.8000503@worldnet.att.net> <20090406154654.GW3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: Frank, My guss is that this would work. If you have HDB-DOS DriveWire and HDB-DOS IDE in two different banks of the flash on your SuperIDE, you could simply POKE &HFF59 the appropriate bank, reset the CoCo and reload the RAM disk software. Robert, are you using the RAM disk software that is on the HDB-DOS software disk? I know we include one, but I haven't ran it in so long. And frankly I never thought about it being an intermediary device between IDE/SCSI/DW3. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Frank Pittel wrote: > > Can you try creating a ram disk under the version of hdb-dos needed > for > Superide support and then load the drivewire version of hdb-dos and > see it > the ram disk is intact? > > Frank > > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 07:20:13AM -0400, Robert Gault wrote: >> There have been some claims that you need a floppy drive on the >> Coco to >> transfer files between a DriveWire mounted image on a PC and a Coco >> hard >> drive. That is not correct. >> >> It is easy to set up a RAM disk on a Coco for use with HDBDOS. >> Drives 2 >> and 3 become full RAM disk with a 512K Coco, rather than floppy or >> hard >> drive "disks" under Basic. >> The content of these drives is stable even after a hard reset with >> ALT+CTRL+REST. >> >> I have tested the RAM disk code that works with the KEN-TON scsi >> RGBDOS >> on a DriveWire HDBDOS system and the RAM disk still works. That means >> you can have your normal HDBDOS in ROM, load the RAM disk, load >> HDBDOS >> DW3, copy files from the PC to the RAM disk, reboot the Coco, start >> up >> the RAM disk, and the contents are still available for transfer to >> your >> Coco hard drive. >> >> It is much easier running NitrOS-9 as no RAM disk is needed. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 6 12:05:27 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:05:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] File transfers over DriveWire between PC and Coco hard disk In-Reply-To: References: <49D9E56D.8000503@worldnet.att.net> <20090406154654.GW3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <49DA2847.10308@worldnet.att.net> Boisy Pitre wrote: > Frank, > > My guss is that this would work. If you have HDB-DOS DriveWire and > HDB-DOS IDE in two different banks of the flash on your SuperIDE, you > could simply POKE &HFF59 the appropriate bank, reset the CoCo and reload > the RAM disk software. > > Robert, are you using the RAM disk software that is on the HDB-DOS > software disk? I know we include one, but I haven't ran it in so long. > And frankly I never thought about it being an intermediary device > between IDE/SCSI/DW3. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre I don't have that disk so I don't know what your RAM disk looks like. I am using the software supplied with the KEN-TON RGBDOS package which I modified to use TFM block transfer for a 6309 system. I expect your program is more or less the same. The main body of the code is loaded at $FE69. RGBDOS/HDBDOS is patched at $D75F to check if the drive numbers are 2 & 3. If they are, the RAM disk is used. If not, the normal drives, floppy or hard are used. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 6 12:16:28 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] File transfers over DriveWire between PC and Coco hard disk In-Reply-To: <49DA09B0.7060406@swbell.net> References: <49D9E56D.8000503@worldnet.att.net> <49DA09B0.7060406@swbell.net> Message-ID: <49DA2ADC.4010700@worldnet.att.net> Joel Ewy wrote: > Robert Gault wrote: >> There have been some claims that you need a floppy drive on the Coco >> to transfer files between a DriveWire mounted image on a PC and a Coco >> hard drive. That is not correct. >> >> It is easy to set up a RAM disk on a Coco for use with HDBDOS. Drives >> 2 and 3 become full RAM disk with a 512K Coco, rather than floppy or >> hard drive "disks" under Basic. >> The content of these drives is stable even after a hard reset with >> ALT+CTRL+REST. >> >> I have tested the RAM disk code that works with the KEN-TON scsi >> RGBDOS on a DriveWire HDBDOS system and the RAM disk still works. That >> means you can have your normal HDBDOS in ROM, load the RAM disk, load >> HDBDOS DW3, copy files from the PC to the RAM disk, reboot the Coco, >> start up the RAM disk, and the contents are still available for >> transfer to your Coco hard drive. > > Hi Robert, > > Which RAM disk are you using? Is this one that is generally available? > I tried out at least a couple different RAM disk programs and they > stomped on Drivewire, so I've been working on a BASIC program to do some > Drivewire file management tasks. If there's a RAM disk that does what I > need, I might turn my attention to other projects. > > JCE > >> >> It is much easier running NitrOS-9 as no RAM disk is needed. >> Depends what "generally available" means. :) The program is essentially the one that came with the KEN-TON hard drive system. I don't know how wide spread that is. Writing your own should be simple. All you need to do is interface with HDBDOS so as not to interfere with its operation. Care was taken in the original RGBDOS to permit users to write these type of applications. Disk Basic 1.1 had a JMP inserted at $D75F (DSKCON) so all you need to do is find some free memory in the $C000-$DFFF area, change the jump address at $D75F to point to your routine, and if a drive other than your RAM disk is accessed, jump to the original patch placed at $D75F by HDBDOS. Or you can JMP [$D936] which should contain the correct vector. From exwn8jef at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 15:24:09 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:24:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] looking for floppy controller Message-ID: <49DA56D9.3050407@gmail.com> Gang, I need another floppy controller for my CoCo repack project. I would like a FD502 or a 3rd party controller that is short in length. If you happen to have one for sale please let me know. The ironic thing is that I just sold a controller a month or two ago. :( LOL! That's what I get for not planning for the future. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home From exwn8jef at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 15:38:02 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:38:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Where is Bill? Message-ID: <49DA5A1A.1050209@gmail.com> Hey Bill, Where you at? Your awful quiet! Whats going on? Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 6 15:42:03 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:42:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Where is Bill? In-Reply-To: <49DA5A1A.1050209@gmail.com> References: <49DA5A1A.1050209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c9b6ef$c29fc7a0$47df56e0$@rr.com> In front of the preposition. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:38 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] Where is Bill? > > Hey Bill, > Where you at? Your awful quiet! Whats going on? > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 6 15:42:53 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Where is Bill? In-Reply-To: <49DA5A1A.1050209@gmail.com> References: <49DA5A1A.1050209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002f01c9b6ef$e0d16cb0$a2744610$@rr.com> Right here, watching everything happen. Not much I comprehend lately, but who knows, it just might make sense soon. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:38 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] Where is Bill? > > Hey Bill, > Where you at? Your awful quiet! Whats going on? > From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Mon Apr 6 19:11:33 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:11:33 -0600 Subject: [Coco] hdbdos suggestion was Re: My CoCo plans In-Reply-To: <6A5CA94F-DB09-4D0B-890E-2014C72107B7@tee-boy.com> References: <889830d00904050951l642ac98blfb603956f2807904@mail.gmail.com> <20090405174546.GU3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <889830d00904051100t25d57e68u14d84f0d3a6fd03c@mail.gmail.com> <5BD8F6B9-7C46-40EB-9CD8-386F61C7C447@tee-boy.com> <6A5CA94F-DB09-4D0B-890E-2014C72107B7@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <20090406231133.GA8658@virgo.sdc.org> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:02:04AM -0500, Boisy Pitre wrote: > Rick, > > HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which > will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > partition, etc. > > This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and > it's for that reason we offer a customization service. A couple of suggestions that might make this easier: 1) a BASIC program that reads os-9 device descriptors to calculate this stuff automatically. Anyone using both OS's (DECB and {Nitr}OS9 probably has the rsdos utility to read/write DECB disks from OS9, and if they don't, it's small. 2)Or, a BASIC program that scans the HD for OS-9 filesystems. A good starting point might be Rodney Hamilton's IDETEST.BAS Disclaimer: I haven't used superdrivers and/or hdb-dos. I don't know what you already include in the packages, or how the superdrivers handle partitioning. Just thinking "out loud". Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From RJRTTY at aol.com Mon Apr 6 20:26:21 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:26:21 EDT Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >Rick, >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the >partition, etc. >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. >Boisy You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable hard drive and use one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) You can find the drives and cartridges with a search on Ebay.. Roy **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From jlhickle at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 21:49:13 2009 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Message-ID: <674518.87954.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Knockout! Sensible City, Arizona! --- On Mon, 4/6/09, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > > I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > hard drive and use > one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. > :) > From coder32768 at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 21:58:26 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:58:26 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've already been thinking along those lines, and I have the hardware. If you're in the bay area, stop by http://www.weirdstuff.com/ - I picked up an internal zip drive there cheap, plus a bunch of RLL and MFM drives. I'm not affiliated with them in any way, I just shop there. Anyway, yeah. I was thinking of going the zip drive route. I'll probably try all of the above (zip, IDE, CD-ROM, etc) at some point. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > > > >Rick, > > >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which > >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > >partition, etc. > > >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and > >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. > > >Boisy > > > > You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > > I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > hard drive and use > one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) > > You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > on Ebay.. > > Roy > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From coder32768 at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 21:58:57 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:58:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BTW I have an IDE zip drive, not SCSI. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Rick Taylor wrote: > I've already been thinking along those lines, and I have the hardware. If > you're in the bay area, stop by http://www.weirdstuff.com/ - I picked up > an internal zip drive there cheap, plus a bunch of RLL and MFM drives. I'm > not affiliated with them in any way, I just shop there. > Anyway, yeah. I was thinking of going the zip drive route. I'll probably > try all of the above (zip, IDE, CD-ROM, etc) at some point. > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >> >> >> >Rick, >> >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the >> >partition, etc. >> >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. >> >> >Boisy >> >> >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> hard drive and use >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >> on Ebay.. >> >> Roy >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 >> or >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > > -- > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From fwp at deepthought.com Mon Apr 6 23:08:08 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:08:08 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090407030808.GX3839@warlock.deepthought.com> I have an ls120 drive. I got an external "parallel port" version attached to my superide adaptor. I got the idea from Mark M. the drive itself is an ide drive with an adaptor, power supply and case. The drives and disks go cheap on ebay. Frank On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:58:57PM -0700, Rick Taylor wrote: > BTW I have an IDE zip drive, not SCSI. > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Rick Taylor wrote: > > > I've already been thinking along those lines, and I have the hardware. If > > you're in the bay area, stop by http://www.weirdstuff.com/ - I picked up > > an internal zip drive there cheap, plus a bunch of RLL and MFM drives. I'm > > not affiliated with them in any way, I just shop there. > > Anyway, yeah. I was thinking of going the zip drive route. I'll probably > > try all of the above (zip, IDE, CD-ROM, etc) at some point. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > >> > >> > >> >Rick, > >> > >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which > >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > >> >partition, etc. > >> > >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and > >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. > >> > >> >Boisy > >> > >> > >> > >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > >> > >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > >> hard drive and use > >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) > >> > >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > >> on Ebay.. > >> > >> Roy > >> > >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > >> or > >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > > > > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > > > > > > -- > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From boisy at tee-boy.com Mon Apr 6 22:42:25 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C905FAD-3AC0-4EAE-8D7C-EC72D8B07A36@tee-boy.com> Rick, I've been to that store; it was at least 10 years ago if not longer when I traveled for Microware. I always loved visiting the Bay Area because there were so many electronics surplus stores! Hacker's heaven... Boisy On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Rick Taylor wrote: > I've already been thinking along those lines, and I have the > hardware. If > you're in the bay area, stop by http://www.weirdstuff.com/ - I > picked up an > internal zip drive there cheap, plus a bunch of RLL and MFM drives. > I'm not > affiliated with them in any way, I just shop there. > Anyway, yeah. I was thinking of going the zip drive route. I'll > probably try > all of the above (zip, IDE, CD-ROM, etc) at some point. > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >> >> >>> Rick, >> >>> HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program >>> which >>> will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; >>> answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the >>> partition, etc. >> >>> This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, >>> and >>> it's for that reason we offer a customization service. >> >>> Boisy >> >> >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> hard drive and use >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >> on Ebay.. >> >> Roy >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner >> for $10 >> or >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > > -- > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nutz4coco at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 23:16:30 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:16:30 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <889830d00904062016i6429bf21gc28ffd93fcccaa56@mail.gmail.com> So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be easier to just swap CF cards? Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > > > >Rick, > > >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which > >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > >partition, etc. > > >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and > >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. > > >Boisy > > > > You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > > I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > hard drive and use > one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) > > You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > on Ebay.. > > Roy > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From badfrog at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 23:29:41 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:29:41 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <20090407030808.GX3839@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <20090407030808.GX3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0904062029x52dce73l461c9a0101e3c756@mail.gmail.com> I remember those... was that the 'floptical' that the early MM1/CoCo4 community thought would be good? Sad those things never took off. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: > I have an ls120 drive. I got an external "parallel port" version attached to my superide > adaptor. I got the idea from Mark M. the drive itself is an ide drive with an > adaptor, power supply and case. The drives and disks go cheap on ebay. > > Frank > > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:58:57PM -0700, Rick Taylor wrote: >> BTW I have an IDE zip drive, not SCSI. >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Rick Taylor wrote: >> >> > I've already been thinking along those lines, and I have the hardware. If >> > you're in the bay area, stop by http://www.weirdstuff.com/ ?- I picked up >> > an internal zip drive there cheap, plus a bunch of RLL and MFM drives. I'm >> > not affiliated with them in any way, I just shop there. >> > Anyway, yeah. I was thinking of going the zip drive route. I'll probably >> > try all of the above (zip, IDE, CD-ROM, etc) at some point. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: >> > >> >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Rick, >> >> >> >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a ?BASIC program which >> >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an ?OS-9 partition; >> >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding ?size of the >> >> >partition, etc. >> >> >> >> >This process can be fraught ?with problems for the inexperienced, and >> >> >it's for that reason we ?offer a customization service. >> >> >> >> >Boisy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> >> hard drive and use >> >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. ?:) >> >> >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >> >> on Ebay.. >> >> >> >> Roy >> >> >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? ?Make dinner for $10 >> >> or >> >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Coco mailing list >> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - >> > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. >> > >> > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - >> not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. >> >> - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 00:17:56 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0904062029x52dce73l461c9a0101e3c756@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090407030808.GX3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062029x52dce73l461c9a0101e3c756@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090407041756.GY3839@warlock.deepthought.com> That was them. Looks like zip drives had better marketing. On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:29:41PM -0500, Sean wrote: > I remember those... was that the 'floptical' that the early MM1/CoCo4 > community thought would be good? Sad those things never took off. > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: > > I have an ls120 drive. I got an external "parallel port" version attached to my superide > > adaptor. I got the idea from Mark M. the drive itself is an ide drive with an > > adaptor, power supply and case. The drives and disks go cheap on ebay. > > > > Frank > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:58:57PM -0700, Rick Taylor wrote: > >> BTW I have an IDE zip drive, not SCSI. > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Rick Taylor wrote: > >> > >> > I've already been thinking along those lines, and I have the hardware. If > >> > you're in the bay area, stop by http://www.weirdstuff.com/ ?- I picked up > >> > an internal zip drive there cheap, plus a bunch of RLL and MFM drives. I'm > >> > not affiliated with them in any way, I just shop there. > >> > Anyway, yeah. I was thinking of going the zip drive route. I'll probably > >> > try all of the above (zip, IDE, CD-ROM, etc) at some point. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > >> > > >> >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > >> >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Rick, > >> >> > >> >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a ?BASIC program which > >> >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an ?OS-9 partition; > >> >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding ?size of the > >> >> >partition, etc. > >> >> > >> >> >This process can be fraught ?with problems for the inexperienced, and > >> >> >it's for that reason we ?offer a customization service. > >> >> > >> >> >Boisy > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > >> >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > >> >> > >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > >> >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > >> >> hard drive and use > >> >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. ?:) > >> >> > >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > >> >> on Ebay.. > >> >> > >> >> Roy > >> >> > >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? ?Make dinner for $10 > >> >> or > >> >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Coco mailing list > >> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > >> > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > >> > > >> > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > >> not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > >> > >> - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From badfrog at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 23:43:31 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:43:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <20090407041756.GY3839@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <20090407030808.GX3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062029x52dce73l461c9a0101e3c756@mail.gmail.com> <20090407041756.GY3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0904062043t73a3092bp6a47327c560903d@mail.gmail.com> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. Hell of a time finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. At the time I wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: > > That was them. Looks like zip drives had better marketing. > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:29:41PM -0500, Sean wrote: >> I remember those... was that the 'floptical' that the early MM1/CoCo4 >> community thought would be good? ?Sad those things never took off. >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: >> > I have an ls120 drive. I got an external "parallel port" version attached to my superide >> > adaptor. I got the idea from Mark M. the drive itself is an ide drive with an >> > adaptor, power supply and case. The drives and disks go cheap on ebay. >> > >> > Frank >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:58:57PM -0700, Rick Taylor wrote: >> >> BTW I have an IDE zip drive, not SCSI. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Rick Taylor wrote: >> >> >> >> > I've already been thinking along those lines, and I have the hardware. If >> >> > you're in the bay area, stop by http://www.weirdstuff.com/ ?- I picked up >> >> > an internal zip drive there cheap, plus a bunch of RLL and MFM drives. I'm >> >> > not affiliated with them in any way, I just shop there. >> >> > Anyway, yeah. I was thinking of going the zip drive route. I'll probably >> >> > try all of the above (zip, IDE, CD-ROM, etc) at some point. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> >> >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Rick, >> >> >> >> >> >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a ?BASIC program which >> >> >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an ?OS-9 partition; >> >> >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding ?size of the >> >> >> >partition, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >This process can be fraught ?with problems for the inexperienced, and >> >> >> >it's for that reason we ?offer a customization service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Boisy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> >> >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> >> >> >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> >> >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> >> >> hard drive and use >> >> >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. ?:) >> >> >> >> >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >> >> >> on Ebay.. >> >> >> >> >> >> Roy >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? ?Make dinner for $10 >> >> >> or >> >> >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Coco mailing list >> >> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> >> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - >> >> > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. >> >> > >> >> > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - >> >> not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. >> >> >> >> - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Coco mailing list >> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > >> > -- >> > Coco mailing list >> > Coco at maltedmedia.com >> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From alsplace at pobox.com Mon Apr 6 23:46:36 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:46:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0904062043t73a3092bp6a47327c560903d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090407030808.GX3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062029x52dce73l461c9a0101e3c756@mail.gmail.com> <20090407041756.GY3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062043t73a3092bp6a47327c560903d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CC61960-1285-4F5F-8A09-CC3FAC4AB4E6@pobox.com> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: > Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. Hell of a time > finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. At the time I > wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo SCSI interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on my MM/1. In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced similar problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they used to add hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if other CoCo interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but it was a drag not being able to use these on my CoCo. Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. -- A From badfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 00:03:22 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:03:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats Message-ID: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> Heh, changing the subject of this to OT... The only time I dealt with the SyQuest was with a parallel version. I thought I was going to have to smash it out of anger it was soooooo slooooow.... Guess I never tried the SCSI version. Last year I threw out a whole box of the 1G version of the Syquest disks, as well as many Jaz disks and drives. I guess I could have put them on ebay, but I was in charge of moving my office to another building, there was so much old hardware that I had no time to worry about the nostalgia factor. Truthfully, I really didn't think anyone would be using a Jaz or Syquest drive for any reason. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: >> >> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. ?Hell of a time >> finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. ?At the time I >> wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! > > I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI > model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo SCSI > interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on my MM/1. > > In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced similar > problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they used to add > hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if other CoCo > interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but it was a drag > not being able to use these on my CoCo. > > Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar > prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- A > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 00:47:57 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:47:57 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <4CC61960-1285-4F5F-8A09-CC3FAC4AB4E6@pobox.com> References: <20090407030808.GX3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062029x52dce73l461c9a0101e3c756@mail.gmail.com> <20090407041756.GY3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062043t73a3092bp6a47327c560903d@mail.gmail.com> <4CC61960-1285-4F5F-8A09-CC3FAC4AB4E6@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20090407044757.GZ3839@warlock.deepthought.com> I also got a syquest EZ123 instead of a Zip drive. It wasn't a format war that Syquest lost. The hardware was very unreliable. I've got a stack of bad disks that failed quickly. My understanding was that the tolerances were to tight for a drive with removable disks that use hard platters. Frank On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:46:36PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: >> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. Hell of a time >> finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. At the time I >> wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! > > I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI > model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo > SCSI interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on my > MM/1. > > In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced > similar problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they > used to add hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if > other CoCo interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but > it was a drag not being able to use these on my CoCo. > > Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar > prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. > > -- A > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 00:50:04 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:50:04 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090407045004.GA3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Thanks for the subject change! :-) I have a scsi Jazz drive that I use with my coco. The 1gig give me an almost stupid amount of storage for Nitros!! :-) It's also fast. Frank On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:03:22PM -0500, Sean wrote: > Heh, changing the subject of this to OT... > The only time I dealt with the SyQuest was with a parallel version. I > thought I was going to have to smash it out of anger it was soooooo > slooooow.... > > Guess I never tried the SCSI version. > > Last year I threw out a whole box of the 1G version of the Syquest > disks, as well as many Jaz disks and drives. > I guess I could have put them on ebay, but I was in charge of moving > my office to another building, there was so much old hardware that I > had no time to worry about the nostalgia factor. > > Truthfully, I really didn't think anyone would be using a Jaz or > Syquest drive for any reason. > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: > >> > >> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. ?Hell of a time > >> finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. ?At the time I > >> wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! > > > > I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI > > model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo SCSI > > interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on my MM/1. > > > > In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced similar > > problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they used to add > > hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if other CoCo > > interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but it was a drag > > not being able to use these on my CoCo. > > > > Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar > > prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. > > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- A > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 00:28:47 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Where is Bill? Message-ID: <658584.67199.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Trying to desing and procure parts for another project (non-CoCo), repairing PCs, and prepping for some other work. That's where *THIS* Bill has been......now those other bills, ya know the ones in the mail. I have no control over where they may be or when and whom may get one (other than perhaps the ones destined for me, but then again, I have no control over exactly when I get 'em.) -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. --- On Mon, 4/6/09, N8WQ wrote: From: N8WQ Subject: [Coco] Where is Bill? To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 2:38 PM Hey Bill, Where you at? Your awful quiet! Whats going on? Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From badfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 00:32:47 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:32:47 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <20090407045004.GA3839@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> <20090407045004.GA3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0904062132p1781fdafsafef4bd76d1d09e7@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, thanks for letting me know I could have had an awesome storage medium/supply for the CoCo community. :) I tossed about 50 Jaz disks into the trash. Then again, I assume just one Jaz disk would be enough to hold every CoCo program that ever existed. I was basically emptying out a 15 year old IT attic. Everything was getting tossed. Some of the stuff I was amazed at. No CoCo stuff, all IBM based. There was a lab room with an IBM PS-2 on a shelf still plugged in, that I powered up and it booted DOS. Then I typed 'win', and lo-and-behold, windows 3.0 appears! After a couple minutes of wonder, and checking out it's 40 meg hard drive, "THROW IT OUT!" I was forced to say. There was a big rack of "SCO UNIX" boxes on a bookshelf. I chuckled a bit... If it wasn't my job to clear the room, I would have saved a lot more stuff. :) On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: > Thanks for the subject change! :-) > > I have a scsi Jazz drive that I use with my coco. The 1gig give me an almost > stupid amount of storage for Nitros!! :-) It's also fast. > > Frank > > > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:03:22PM -0500, Sean wrote: >> Heh, changing the subject of this to OT... >> The only time I dealt with the SyQuest was with a parallel version. ?I >> thought I was going to have to smash it out of anger it was soooooo >> slooooow.... >> >> Guess I never tried the SCSI version. >> >> Last year I threw out a whole box of the 1G version of the Syquest >> disks, as well as many Jaz disks and drives. >> I guess I could have put them on ebay, but I was in charge of moving >> my office to another building, there was so much old hardware that I >> had no time to worry about the nostalgia factor. >> >> Truthfully, I really didn't think anyone would be using a Jaz or >> Syquest drive for any reason. >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: >> > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: >> >> >> >> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. ?Hell of a time >> >> finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. ?At the time I >> >> wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! >> > >> > I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI >> > model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo SCSI >> > interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on my MM/1. >> > >> > In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced similar >> > problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they used to add >> > hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if other CoCo >> > interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but it was a drag >> > not being able to use these on my CoCo. >> > >> > Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar >> > prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. >> > >> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- A >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Coco mailing list >> > Coco at maltedmedia.com >> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From coder32768 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 00:39:56 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:39:56 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: geek junk shops WAS: My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Message-ID: The hacker's heaven bit is one of the reasons keeping me out here, otherwise I'd move back South. I moved out here from Nashville about 1.75 years ago. Javanco was the hacker's heaven store in Nashvegas, but they shut down/turned into a custom computer shop. Honestly I'm not even sure if they're still around. Out here though, we have weirdstuff, halted ( http://www.halted.com), the Cupertino electronics flea market -- the bay area is amazingly geeky. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Boisy Pitre wrote: > Rick, > > I've been to that store; it was at least 10 years ago if not longer when I > traveled for Microware. I always loved visiting the Bay Area because there > were so many electronics surplus stores! Hacker's heaven... > > Boisy > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Rick Taylor wrote: > > I've already been thinking along those lines, and I have the hardware. If >> you're in the bay area, stop by http://www.weirdstuff.com/ - I picked up >> an >> internal zip drive there cheap, plus a bunch of RLL and MFM drives. I'm >> not >> affiliated with them in any way, I just shop there. >> Anyway, yeah. I was thinking of going the zip drive route. I'll probably >> try >> all of the above (zip, IDE, CD-ROM, etc) at some point. >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: >> >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >>> >>> >>> Rick, >>>> >>> >>> HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which >>>> will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; >>>> answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the >>>> partition, etc. >>>> >>> >>> This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and >>>> it's for that reason we offer a customization service. >>>> >>> >>> Boisy >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >>> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >>> >>> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >>> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >>> hard drive and use >>> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) >>> >>> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >>> on Ebay.. >>> >>> Roy >>> >>> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for >>> $10 >>> or >>> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - >> not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. >> >> - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From nutz4coco at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 00:57:51 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:57:51 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904062016i6429bf21gc28ffd93fcccaa56@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904062016i6429bf21gc28ffd93fcccaa56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <889830d00904062157g1d596bf4l8d3ad180fb794e49@mail.gmail.com> Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be easier > to just swap CF cards? > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >> >> >> >Rick, >> >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the >> >partition, etc. >> >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. >> >> >Boisy >> >> >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> hard drive and use >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >> on Ebay.. >> >> Roy >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 >> or >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 02:49:17 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 01:49:17 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0904062132p1781fdafsafef4bd76d1d09e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> <20090407045004.GA3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062132p1781fdafsafef4bd76d1d09e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090407064917.GB3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Don't feel bad. I got my first Coco in the late '80s and after I got a PC put it in a box and let it sit on a shelf. When I used it my storage was limited to cassette and I never got as much as a floppy for it. The Coco sat in storage over the years and a year before I dug it back out of a shelf in the back of a closet I was making room and threw out a box of ~30 1gig scsi harddrives that I had and couldn't imagine that anyone would ever want!! Frank PS - I did save a bag or two of 1meg memory sticks for SGI workstations. Not sure of what to do with them but I know I'll regret it if I ever threw them out!! On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:32:47PM -0500, Sean wrote: > Yeah, thanks for letting me know I could have had an awesome storage > medium/supply for the CoCo community. :) > I tossed about 50 Jaz disks into the trash. Then again, I assume just > one Jaz disk would be enough to hold every CoCo program that ever > existed. > > I was basically emptying out a 15 year old IT attic. Everything was > getting tossed. Some of the stuff I was amazed at. No CoCo stuff, > all IBM based. There was a lab room with an IBM PS-2 on a shelf still > plugged in, that I powered up and it booted DOS. Then I typed 'win', > and lo-and-behold, windows 3.0 appears! After a couple minutes of > wonder, and checking out it's 40 meg hard drive, "THROW IT OUT!" I > was forced to say. > > There was a big rack of "SCO UNIX" boxes on a bookshelf. I chuckled a bit... > > If it wasn't my job to clear the room, I would have saved a lot more stuff. :) > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: > > Thanks for the subject change! :-) > > > > I have a scsi Jazz drive that I use with my coco. The 1gig give me an almost > > stupid amount of storage for Nitros!! :-) It's also fast. > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:03:22PM -0500, Sean wrote: > >> Heh, changing the subject of this to OT... > >> The only time I dealt with the SyQuest was with a parallel version. ?I > >> thought I was going to have to smash it out of anger it was soooooo > >> slooooow.... > >> > >> Guess I never tried the SCSI version. > >> > >> Last year I threw out a whole box of the 1G version of the Syquest > >> disks, as well as many Jaz disks and drives. > >> I guess I could have put them on ebay, but I was in charge of moving > >> my office to another building, there was so much old hardware that I > >> had no time to worry about the nostalgia factor. > >> > >> Truthfully, I really didn't think anyone would be using a Jaz or > >> Syquest drive for any reason. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > >> > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. ?Hell of a time > >> >> finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. ?At the time I > >> >> wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! > >> > > >> > I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI > >> > model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo SCSI > >> > interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on my MM/1. > >> > > >> > In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced similar > >> > problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they used to add > >> > hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if other CoCo > >> > interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but it was a drag > >> > not being able to use these on my CoCo. > >> > > >> > Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar > >> > prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. > >> > > >> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- A > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Coco mailing list > >> > Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 02:16:31 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 02:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <20090407064917.GB3839@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> <20090407045004.GA3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062132p1781fdafsafef4bd76d1d09e7@mail.gmail.com> <20090407064917.GB3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <004801c9b748$652bfe00$2f83fa00$@rr.com> If I only had the stuff I've thrown out over the years, I could kick myself. I had a couple of good mfm hard drives, DOZENS of 5 1/4" disks, and several 5 1/4" drives as well. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Frank Pittel > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:49 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats > > > Don't feel bad. I got my first Coco in the late '80s and after I got a > PC put it in a box and let it sit on a shelf. When I used it my storage > was limited to cassette and I never got as much as a floppy for it. The > Coco sat in storage over the years and a year before I dug it back out of a > shelf in the back of a closet I was making room and threw out a box of ~30 > 1gig scsi harddrives that I had and couldn't imagine that anyone would ever > want!! > From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 02:27:22 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 02:27:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives Message-ID: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> I cannot figure out how to access my (real) floppy drives when I am using the os9 image via DriveWire. Can anyone give me some ideas? Thanks From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 02:40:56 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 02:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive Message-ID: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be installed into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a "standard" floppy drive using the stock chip in the controller? Thanks From hyperfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 03:02:52 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:02:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49DAFA9C.4030605@gmail.com> Bill wrote: > Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be installed > into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a "standard" floppy > drive using the stock chip in the controller? > Only if you can set it to rotate at 300 RPM. Normally, those 1.2Mb 5.25" drives spin at 360 RPM and have a 300 kbps data rate, while 180k, 360k and 720k drives spin at 300 RPM and have a 250 kbps data rate. The CoCo needs the 250 kbps data rate. Some 1.2Mb drives have a jumper on their PCB that allows selecting the RPM. You could, however, connect a 3.5" 1.44Mb drive. These drives always spin at 300 RPM. They are plentiful and cheap. The diskettes are cheap, too. You would have to use DD media, though, or fake DD by covering the hole on an HD disk that allows the drive to detect media density. Regards, Christian From hyperfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 03:55:20 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:55:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49DB06E8.4050906@gmail.com> Bill wrote: > Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be installed > into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a "standard" floppy > drive using the stock chip in the controller? > > Thanks > > Let me clarify my previous answer: a 5.25" HD (1.2Mb) drive has a 300 kbps data rate when operating in double-density mode (and a 500 kbps data rate when operating in high-density mode). The FD-502 needs a 250 kbps data rate. This can be achieved on some 1.2Mb drives by reducing the RPM from 360 to 300 (jumper or mod). On the other hand, a 3.5" HD (1.44Mb) drive can be used because it spins at 300 RPM and therefore has a 250 kbps data rate when operating in double-density mode. However, it can be tricky to make a 3.5" drive behave like drive 0 because PC-compatible drives are always configured as drive 1 (in a PC, it's the cable that determines whether the drive is A: or B:). Sometimes, you have to disassemble the drive and move a tiny 0-ohm surface mount resistor on the PCB (maybe not all drives have such a jumper). Older drives may have "old-fashioned" jumpers, which facilitates this task. Please also note that AFAIK and unless you make a custom cable, a drive intended for a PC cannot be configured as drive 2 or 3 (it's either 0 or 1). Christian From brucewcalkins at charter.net Tue Apr 7 05:36:10 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 05:36:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. References: Message-ID: O.K. My question is; can we read, write and edit our CoCo files on the PC with the Zip disks. I have a couple SCSI units and a half dozen IDE units. This idea has a lot of merit here. Bruce W. >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> hard drive. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 8 08:10:05 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:10:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> Bill wrote: > I cannot figure out how to access my (real) floppy drives when I am using > the os9 image via DriveWire. Can anyone give me some ideas? > > Thanks > There is nothing to figure out. Just use /d0 through /d3 and you will access the real floppies. The DriveWire drives are /x0 through /x3. Maybe you aren't asking what you intended. If you are running Disk Basic under HDBDOS DW3, the default setting turns on the /x0 - /x3 drives in place of the floppies. To access the real floppies, issue the command: DRIVEOFF From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Tue Apr 7 08:11:18 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:11:18 +1000 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <20090407064917.GB3839@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> <20090407045004.GA3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062132p1781fdafsafef4bd76d1d09e7@mail.gmail.com> <20090407064917.GB3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <49DB42E6.2050407@iinet.net.au> Frank Pittel wrote: > Not sure of what to do with them but I know I'll regret it if I ever > threw them out!! As much as regretting giving away your Coco 1 system with floppy disk controller, joysticks and software??? :( Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 08:15:54 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:15:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> I'm asking how to access the (real) floppy drives from NitrOS9 via DriveWire. /DD-/D3 access the DriveWire drive, as does /X1-X? DRIVE OFF only works under HDBDOS DW3 > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:10 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives > > Bill wrote: > > I cannot figure out how to access my (real) floppy drives when I am > using > > the os9 image via DriveWire. Can anyone give me some ideas? > > > > Thanks > > > > There is nothing to figure out. Just use /d0 through /d3 and you will > access the real floppies. The DriveWire drives are /x0 through /x3. > > Maybe you aren't asking what you intended. If you are running Disk > Basic > under HDBDOS DW3, the default setting turns on the /x0 - /x3 drives in > place of the floppies. To access the real floppies, issue the command: > DRIVEOFF > From jlhickle at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 10:10:35 2009 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats Message-ID: <476571.91460.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do Jaz drives only eject through software? What looks like an eject button on mine doesn't do anything. I got frustrated with having to poke a paperclip into the drive to force an eject. Am using a Zip drive for backups, but "Jaz" sounds cooler. --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Frank Pittel wrote: > I have a scsi Jazz drive that I use with my coco. The 1gig > give me an almost > stupid amount of storage for Nitros!! :-) It's also fast. > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 8 10:13:19 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:13:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> Bill wrote: > I'm asking how to access the (real) floppy drives from NitrOS9 via > DriveWire. > > /DD-/D3 access the DriveWire drive, as does /X1-X? > > DRIVE OFF only works under HDBDOS DW3 > Bill, Either you know how to access floppy drives from OS-9 or you don't. DriveWire does not change anything. For example, if you want a directory of a floppy use the dir command. dir /d0 dir /d1 dir /d2 dir /d3 if that descriptor is in your OS9Boot file If the above don't work for you, then there is something wrong with the boot disk you are using. From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 11:00:57 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:00:57 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <49DB42E6.2050407@iinet.net.au> References: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> <20090407045004.GA3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <9efa17da0904062132p1781fdafsafef4bd76d1d09e7@mail.gmail.com> <20090407064917.GB3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <49DB42E6.2050407@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20090407150057.GC3839@warlock.deepthought.com> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:11:18PM +1000, Mark McDougall wrote: > Frank Pittel wrote: > >> Not sure of what to do with them but I know I'll regret it if I ever >> threw them out!! > > As much as regretting giving away your Coco 1 system with floppy disk > controller, joysticks and software??? :( Ouch!! That has to hurt. I hope it all went to a good home!! From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 11:02:52 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:02:52 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <476571.91460.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <476571.91460.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090407150252.GD3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Mine ejects via the eject button. On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 07:10:35AM -0700, Jim Hickle wrote: > > Do Jaz drives only eject through software? What looks like an > eject button on mine doesn't do anything. I got frustrated with > having to poke a paperclip into the drive to force an eject. > Am using a Zip drive for backups, but "Jaz" sounds cooler. > > > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Frank Pittel wrote: > > > > I have a scsi Jazz drive that I use with my coco. The 1gig > > give me an almost > > stupid amount of storage for Nitros!! :-) It's also fast. > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 10:22:50 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:22:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 Message-ID: <005a01c9b78c$558984b0$009c8e10$@rr.com> Has anyone put Deskmate on NitrOS9? I've been trying, but all I get is ERROR #218 From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 10:25:19 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:25:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> Bingo, you probably answered that problem. Since I DO KNOW how to access floppy drives, ergo, there MUST be something wrong with the OS9Boot file I'm using. Thank you. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:13 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives > > Bill, > Either you know how to access floppy drives from OS-9 or you don't. > DriveWire does not change anything. For example, if you want a > directory > of a floppy use the dir command. > dir /d0 > dir /d1 > dir /d2 > dir /d3 if that descriptor is in your OS9Boot file > > If the above don't work for you, then there is something wrong with the > boot disk you are using. > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 11:14:43 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:14:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <200904071114.44035.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Bill wrote: >Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be installed >into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a "standard" floppy >drive using the stock chip in the controller? Yes and no. If you can locate the jumper on the drive that slows the disk from the 360 rpm the 1.2meg disk spins, to the 300 rpm that all other disk formats spins, then they can, under os9/nitros9 only, be used for 720k drives. I have been doing so for many years. There is also a bit in the descriptor that can be set which tells the driver to double step the drive should it find a 40 track formatted disk in it. This is ok for reading ONLY, do not attempt to write to that disk as the write, due to the narrower heads of the 80 tpi format, will not fully erase the old data in the wider 40 tpi track, and the disk will be forever trashed for reading in a real 40 tpi drive. Until its formatted again. With those caveats, it will work fine. The reason you can't get the 1.2 meg size is that requires a 500 kilobaud data stream between the controller and the disk, and the WD177x family of fdc chips used in 99% of the coco disk controllers cannot run that fast. 250 kilobaud is the designed speed of those chips. >Thanks > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Write-only-memory subsystem too slow for this machine. Contact your local dealer. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 11:27:20 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:27:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <49DAFA9C.4030605@gmail.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <49DAFA9C.4030605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Christian Lesage wrote: >Bill wrote: >> Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be installed >> into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a "standard" >> floppy drive using the stock chip in the controller? > >Only if you can set it to rotate at 300 RPM. Normally, those 1.2Mb 5.25" >drives spin at 360 RPM and have a 300 kbps data rate, No, its 500 kilobaud. >while 180k, 360k >and 720k drives spin at 300 RPM and have a 250 kbps data rate. The CoCo >needs the 250 kbps data rate. Some 1.2Mb drives have a jumper on their >PCB that allows selecting the RPM. > >You could, however, connect a 3.5" 1.44Mb drive. These drives always >spin at 300 RPM. They are plentiful and cheap. The diskettes are cheap, >too. You would have to use DD media, though, or fake DD by covering the >hole on an HD disk that allows the drive to detect media density. I don't recall ever having an HD disk even successfully format here. Either the ones I have are too hard to write, or the drives I have write too weakly when the HD hole is covered. I happen to have a good supply of DD disks because the old amiga used that format. Some claim covering the hole works, but I've not found them to be usable here. Most of those drives auto set the data rate to 500 kilobaud when the hole is uncovered and refuse to play nice with a 250 kilobaud data rate unless it is covered, and then write too weakly to write a robust signal to an HD disk at DD speeds. One such place where DD disks are available yet is: Another might be: but no prices are shown on the front page. In the US, call 1-800-421-1591. >Regards, > >Christian > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Once it hits the fan, the only rational choice is to sweep it up, package it, and sell it as fertilizer. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 11:31:43 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:31:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200904071131.43131.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Bruce W. Calkins wrote: >O.K. My question is; can we read, write and edit our CoCo files on the PC >with the Zip disks. I have a couple SCSI units and a half dozen IDE units. >This idea has a lot of merit here. > The preset high bus ID of the zip drive will be a problem with scii-4n1 setups as the highest bus ID that can be done is 3 IIRC. With a TC^3 controller, that is not a problem. >Bruce W. > >>> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >>> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >>> >>> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >>> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >>> hard drive. > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Don't let people drive you crazy when you know it's in walking distance. From benbleau at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 11:37:16 2009 From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:37:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904062157g1d596bf4l8d3ad180fb794e49@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904062016i6429bf21gc28ffd93fcccaa56@mail.gmail.com> <889830d00904062157g1d596bf4l8d3ad180fb794e49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DB732C.8010501@gmail.com> I had one. I was able to use it from nitros9 from it using the SuperDriver ( booted from a floppy), but HDB-DOS, I was unable to access it. -Benoit Jim Cox wrote: > Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? > > Jim Cox > From lamune at doki-doki.net Tue Apr 7 12:31:36 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:31:36 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904062157g1d596bf4l8d3ad180fb794e49@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904062016i6429bf21gc28ffd93fcccaa56@mail.gmail.com> <889830d00904062157g1d596bf4l8d3ad180fb794e49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> Likely not to work. The Zip would be an ATAPI device whereas the CF would be an IDE device. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cox Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:58 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be easier > to just swap CF cards? > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >> >> >> >Rick, >> >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the >> >partition, etc. >> >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. >> >> >Boisy >> >> >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> hard drive and use >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >> on Ebay.. >> >> Roy >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 >> or >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 13:18:24 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:18:24 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <889830d00904062157g1d596bf4l8d3ad180fb794e49@mail.gmail.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <20090407171824.GE3839@warlock.deepthought.com> As memory serves superdriver in nitros supports atapi devices. My ide ls120 drive only works under nitros as well. Frank On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:31:36AM -0700, Mike Pepe wrote: > Likely not to work. The Zip would be an ATAPI device whereas the CF > would be an IDE device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On Behalf Of Jim Cox > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:58 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > > > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be > easier > > to just swap CF cards? > > > > Jim Cox > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > >> > >> > >> >Rick, > >> > >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program > which > >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > >> >partition, etc. > >> > >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, > and > >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. > >> > >> >Boisy > >> > >> > >> > >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > >> > >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > >> hard drive and use > >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) > >> > >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > >> on Ebay.. > >> > >> Roy > >> > >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner > for $10 > >> or > >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 12:53:24 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:53:24 -0600 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <200904071114.44035.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071114.44035.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Bill wrote: >> Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be >> installed >> into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a >> "standard" floppy >> drive using the stock chip in the controller? > > Yes and no. If you can locate the jumper on the drive that slows > the disk > from the 360 rpm the 1.2meg disk spins, to the 300 rpm that all > other disk > formats spins, then they can, under os9/nitros9 only, be used for > 720k drives. > I have been doing so for many years. What do you use for disks in this scenario? I would think you'd need 5-1/4" DSQD (double-sided, quad-density) floppies to ensure reliability. These are ultra-rare (I only have a single 10-pack of them in my collection). -- JP From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 7 13:01:36 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <1758639127.340591239123696700.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> As Frank has pointed out. ATA/IDE/ATAPI supported under SuperDriver. Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pepe" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 11:31:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Likely not to work. The Zip would be an ATAPI device whereas the CF would be an IDE device. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cox Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:58 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be easier > to just swap CF cards? > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >> >> >> >Rick, >> >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the >> >partition, etc. >> >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. >> >> >Boisy >> >> >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> hard drive and use >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >> on Ebay.. >> >> Roy >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 >> or >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Tue Apr 7 13:06:38 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com><200904071114.44035.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E8@fenestra.lamunet.local> Technically a DSQD 5.25 disk would be the equivalent in terms of track data density as a HD 1.44MB floppy (written data at a 500KHz rate) Density is really a reference to the density of data per track, and has nothing to do with track pitch which is what those "DSQD" disks referred to. So to answer the question, any low density media should work just as well at 48tpi (40 tracks) and 96tpi (80 tracks) As to finding a working 80 track double density- good luck there. I pulled a couple out of some AT&T 3B2-400's if that helps :) -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of J.P. Samson Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:53 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Bill wrote: >> Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be >> installed >> into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a >> "standard" floppy >> drive using the stock chip in the controller? > > Yes and no. If you can locate the jumper on the drive that slows > the disk > from the 360 rpm the 1.2meg disk spins, to the 300 rpm that all > other disk > formats spins, then they can, under os9/nitros9 only, be used for > 720k drives. > I have been doing so for many years. What do you use for disks in this scenario? I would think you'd need 5-1/4" DSQD (double-sided, quad-density) floppies to ensure reliability. These are ultra-rare (I only have a single 10-pack of them in my collection). -- JP -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Tue Apr 7 13:06:38 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com><200904071114.44035.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E8@fenestra.lamunet.local> Technically a DSQD 5.25 disk would be the equivalent in terms of track data density as a HD 1.44MB floppy (written data at a 500KHz rate) Density is really a reference to the density of data per track, and has nothing to do with track pitch which is what those "DSQD" disks referred to. So to answer the question, any low density media should work just as well at 48tpi (40 tracks) and 96tpi (80 tracks) As to finding a working 80 track double density- good luck there. I pulled a couple out of some AT&T 3B2-400's if that helps :) -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of J.P. Samson Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:53 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Bill wrote: >> Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be >> installed >> into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a >> "standard" floppy >> drive using the stock chip in the controller? > > Yes and no. If you can locate the jumper on the drive that slows > the disk > from the 360 rpm the 1.2meg disk spins, to the 300 rpm that all > other disk > formats spins, then they can, under os9/nitros9 only, be used for > 720k drives. > I have been doing so for many years. What do you use for disks in this scenario? I would think you'd need 5-1/4" DSQD (double-sided, quad-density) floppies to ensure reliability. These are ultra-rare (I only have a single 10-pack of them in my collection). -- JP -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 13:18:56 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:18:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071114.44035.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200904071318.56277.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, J.P. Samson wrote: >On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Bill wrote: >>> Refresh my memory, please. Can an 80 track 1.2M 5 1/4" drive be >>> installed >>> into an FD-502 case and work correctly? Will it act like a >>> "standard" floppy >>> drive using the stock chip in the controller? >> >> Yes and no. If you can locate the jumper on the drive that slows >> the disk >> from the 360 rpm the 1.2meg disk spins, to the 300 rpm that all >> other disk >> formats spins, then they can, under os9/nitros9 only, be used for >> 720k drives. >> I have been doing so for many years. > >What do you use for disks in this scenario? I would think you'd need >5-1/4" DSQD (double-sided, quad-density) floppies to ensure >reliability. These are ultra-rare (I only have a single 10-pack of >them in my collection). > >-- JP > For the 250 kilobaud use, any disk seems to be ok. I ran a pair of teac full height 720k disk drives that way for years (until I wore out the heads that is) that could be told to use more than 80 tracks, all would reach the 83rd, one could do the 84th too. So I had some 765k disks, and may still have them someplace. There is no diff in the media that changing the tpi needs, the harder DSQD media will also work as I have a couple boxes of those too, but they didn't appear to be a requirement. > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Ignore previous fortune. From hyperfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 13:27:21 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <49DAFA9C.4030605@gmail.com> <200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49DB8CF9.3050001@gmail.com> Gene Heskett wrote: >> Only if you can set it to rotate at 300 RPM. Normally, those 1.2MB 5.25" >> drives spin at 360 RPM and have a 300 kbps data rate, >> > No, its 500 kilobaud. > It's 500kbps when operating in high density, and 300kbps in double-density mode. As the CoCo operates in double density, the 500kbps rate is irrelevant. See the following page written by Dave Dunfield: http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img41867/speed300.htm From lamune at doki-doki.net Tue Apr 7 13:47:24 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:47:24 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <1758639127.340591239123696700.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> <1758639127.340591239123696700.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1EA@fenestra.lamunet.local> Yep, should work fine once the driver is loaded. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mark Marlette Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:02 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. As Frank has pointed out. ATA/IDE/ATAPI supported under SuperDriver. Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pepe" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 11:31:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Likely not to work. The Zip would be an ATAPI device whereas the CF would be an IDE device. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cox Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:58 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be easier > to just swap CF cards? > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: >> >> >> >Rick, >> >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program which >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the >> >partition, etc. >> >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, and >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. >> >> >Boisy >> >> >> >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. >> >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable >> hard drive and use >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) >> >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search >> on Ebay.. >> >> Roy >> >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 >> or >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nutz4coco at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 13:58:59 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:58:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <1758639127.340591239123696700.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> <1758639127.340591239123696700.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <889830d00904071058w74297c63h5ba1a63c888f5296@mail.gmail.com> SuperDriver provides ATA/IDE/ATAPI support for NitrOS-9, but not for HBD-DOS. So the answer to my question of whether the ZIP will work depends on whether I run NitrOS-9 or HBD-DOS. >From what I gather, CF cards should work regardless, so I should be able to swap those if I want. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > As Frank has pointed out. > > ATA/IDE/ATAPI supported under SuperDriver. > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Pepe" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 11:31:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > Likely not to work. The Zip would be an ATAPI device whereas the CF > would be an IDE device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On Behalf Of Jim Cox > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:58 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > > > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be > easier > > to just swap CF cards? > > > > Jim Cox > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > >> > >> > >> >Rick, > >> > >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program > which > >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > >> >partition, etc. > >> > >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, > and > >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. > >> > >> >Boisy > >> > >> > >> > >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > >> > >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > >> hard drive and use > >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) > >> > >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > >> on Ebay.. > >> > >> Roy > >> > >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner > for $10 > >> or > >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 14:54:09 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:54:09 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904071058w74297c63h5ba1a63c888f5296@mail.gmail.com> References: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> <1758639127.340591239123696700.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <889830d00904071058w74297c63h5ba1a63c888f5296@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090407185409.GF3839@warlock.deepthought.com> You are correct. The zip drive should work under nitros (if i ever tried using a zip drive under nitros I would be more definative) if it's an atapi drive and you're using superdriver. The CF card will work under nitros and under the hdb-dos that supports the ide interface. It won't be available if you use it with the hdb-dos for drivewire. Frank On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:58:59AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: > SuperDriver provides ATA/IDE/ATAPI support for NitrOS-9, but not for > HBD-DOS. So the answer to my question of whether the ZIP will work depends > on whether I run NitrOS-9 or HBD-DOS. > > >From what I gather, CF cards should work regardless, so I should be able to > swap those if I want. > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > > > As Frank has pointed out. > > > > ATA/IDE/ATAPI supported under SuperDriver. > > > > Mark > > Cloud-9 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Pepe" > > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 11:31:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > > > Likely not to work. The Zip would be an ATAPI device whereas the CF > > would be an IDE device. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > > On Behalf Of Jim Cox > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:58 PM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > > > Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? > > > > Jim Cox > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > > > > > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be > > easier > > > to just swap CF cards? > > > > > > Jim Cox > > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > > > > > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > > >> > > >> > > >> >Rick, > > >> > > >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program > > which > > >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > > >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > > >> >partition, etc. > > >> > > >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, > > and > > >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. > > >> > > >> >Boisy > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > > >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > > >> > > >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > > >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > > >> hard drive and use > > >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) > > >> > > >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > > >> on Ebay.. > > >> > > >> Roy > > >> > > >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner > > for $10 > > >> or > > >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Coco mailing list > > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From brucewcalkins at charter.net Tue Apr 7 14:20:58 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:20:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com><49DAFA9C.4030605@gmail.com> <200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: > You could, however, connect a 3.5" 1.44Mb drive. Yes. > You would have to use DD media, though, Yes. > or fake DD by covering the hole on an HD disk > that allows the drive to detect media density. I've never had one hold CoCo data more than half of a week. Usually they were corrupt over night. Bruce W. From chester6809 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 14:23:04 2009 From: chester6809 at gmail.com (Chester Patterson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:23:04 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <005a01c9b78c$558984b0$009c8e10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <06375D7837FE43159FE6580D86536049@chester> No problem here, with Deskmate for OS9 Level II... -----Original Message----- From: Bill [mailto:cwgordon at carolina.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:23 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 Has anyone put Deskmate on NitrOS9? I've been trying, but all I get is ERROR #218 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 15:33:43 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:33:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <49DB8CF9.3050001@gmail.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49DB8CF9.3050001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Christian Lesage wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Only if you can set it to rotate at 300 RPM. Normally, those 1.2MB 5.25" >>> drives spin at 360 RPM and have a 300 kbps data rate, >> >> No, its 500 kilobaud. > >It's 500kbps when operating in high density, and 300kbps in >double-density mode. As the CoCo operates in double density, the 500kbps >rate is irrelevant. I have never, and I've dealt with a lot of oddball storage media over the years I've been a broadcast engineer, heard of a 300 kilobaud data rate being used, in anything. Whenever there was a shift in data rates, it was to 500kb, and then to 1 megabaud for the 2.88 meg 3.5" floppies. If 300 kbaud was what it took to make it work, the 1773 family CAN do that, but ALL the controller conversions I've seen use a different chip and run it at 500 kbaud. Std DD floppies turn 300 rpm, the special 1.2 meggers turn 360 rpm, which is why the otherwise identical 96 tpi drives will not give you 1.44 megabytes of storage, but only 1.2 megs. Driving them at 500 kilobyte data rates, at 300 rpm, should give you the full 1.44 megs. And that is a direct scale. If I had ever built one of the hi-dens I could easily prove that. Running the math the other way, if the data rate for a 720k, 250 kilobaud disk was switched to a 300 kilobaud rate, the disk capacity would only be 864 kilobytes, not 1200k. I don't know who this Dave Dunfield is, but he is flat wrong on that point. >See the following page written by Dave Dunfield: > >http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img41867/speed300.htm > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "Hey Ivan, check your six." -- Sidewinder missile jacket patch, showing a Sidewinder driving up the tail of a Russian Su-27 From hyperfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 15:57:33 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:57:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49DB8CF9.3050001@gmail.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49DBB02D.4080002@gmail.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > I have never, and I've dealt with a lot of oddball storage media over the > years I've been a broadcast engineer, heard of a 300 kilobaud data rate being > used, in anything. Whenever there was a shift in data rates, it was to 500kb, > and then to 1 megabaud for the 2.88 meg 3.5" floppies. > > If 300 kbaud was what it took to make it work, the 1773 family CAN do that, > but ALL the controller conversions I've seen use a different chip and run it > at 500 kbaud. Std DD floppies turn 300 rpm, the special 1.2 meggers turn 360 > rpm, which is why the otherwise identical 96 tpi drives will not give you 1.44 > megabytes of storage, but only 1.2 megs. Driving them at 500 kilobyte data > rates, at 300 rpm, should give you the full 1.44 megs. And that is a direct > scale. If I had ever built one of the hi-dens I could easily prove that. > Running the math the other way, if the data rate for a 720k, 250 kilobaud disk > was switched to a 300 kilobaud rate, the disk capacity would only be 864 > kilobytes, not 1200k. > > I don't know who this Dave Dunfield is, but he is flat wrong on that point. > He is not wrong at all, and neither are all the people who wrote about this fact. Please do some googling. Let's put it that way: You format and write to a double-density disk in a 360KB disk drive. The drive spins at 300RPM and the floppy disk controller feeds it with a 250kbps data stream. Now, you take the same disk, and put it in a 1.2MB drive, which spins at 360RPM. What happens to the data rate? The RPM is increased by 20%, and so is the data rate. 250kbps x 120% = 300kbps. You are absolutely right when you say that a 5.25" HD drive would be able to format a 1.44MB disk if it spun at 300RPM, but that's not the point we're discussing. You are also right when you say that switching a 720KB drive from 250kbps to 300kbps would result in a 864KB format... However, it is irrelevant because (as I already mentioned twice, and we both agree on this fact) 5.25" HD drives use 500kpbs for high density (and 300kbps for double density). From mechacoco at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 16:15:09 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:15:09 -0600 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49DB8CF9.3050001@gmail.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904071315i48f412e0u1c9294ee0458c06@mail.gmail.com> On 4/7/09, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I have never, and I've dealt with a lot of oddball storage media over the > years I've been a broadcast engineer, heard of a 300 kilobaud data rate > being > used, in anything. ---- A data rate of 300 kbps at 360 rpm is equivalent to 250 kbps at 300 rpm. Standard PC controllers support that data rate. My CoCoDisk utility for Windows will read a standard double density CoCo diskette in a drive that is spinning at 360 rpm. It times the interval between index hole pulses to see how fast the motor is spinning. If it detects 360 rpm then it sets the controller's bit rate to 300 kbps (and double steps the head for each track). It works quite well. Darren From neilsmorr at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 16:10:50 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:10:50 -0700 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com><200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net><49DB8CF9.3050001@gmail.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Heskett" > I don't know who this Dave Dunfield is, but he is flat wrong on that > point. He's somewhat well known http://www.dunfield.com/ I wonder if he's talking about 1.2 M drives or those odd 80 track ones the Tandy 2000 used? Neil From hyperfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 16:28:10 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:28:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071127.20795.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49DB8CF9.3050001@gmail.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49DBB75A.2090806@gmail.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > I don't know who this Dave Dunfield is, > Mr. Dunfield is a programmer and a classic computer collector. He is well-known in the embedded microcontroller sphere. Among other things, he wrote the Micro-C compiler, which generates code for various microprocessors and microcontrollers. His low-level disk utilities helped me create real disks from disk images for the TRS-80 Model II. A visit to his classic computers website ( http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/ ) is worth it! From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 16:58:12 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:58:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <49DBB02D.4080002@gmail.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49DBB02D.4080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904071658.12813.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Christian Lesage wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> I have never, and I've dealt with a lot of oddball storage media over the >> years I've been a broadcast engineer, heard of a 300 kilobaud data rate >> being used, in anything. Whenever there was a shift in data rates, it was >> to 500kb, and then to 1 megabaud for the 2.88 meg 3.5" floppies. >> >> If 300 kbaud was what it took to make it work, the 1773 family CAN do >> that, but ALL the controller conversions I've seen use a different chip >> and run it at 500 kbaud. Std DD floppies turn 300 rpm, the special 1.2 >> meggers turn 360 rpm, which is why the otherwise identical 96 tpi drives >> will not give you 1.44 megabytes of storage, but only 1.2 megs. Driving >> them at 500 kilobyte data rates, at 300 rpm, should give you the full 1.44 >> megs. And that is a direct scale. If I had ever built one of the hi-dens >> I could easily prove that. Running the math the other way, if the data >> rate for a 720k, 250 kilobaud disk was switched to a 300 kilobaud rate, >> the disk capacity would only be 864 kilobytes, not 1200k. >> >> I don't know who this Dave Dunfield is, but he is flat wrong on that >> point. > >He is not wrong at all, and neither are all the people who wrote about >this fact. Please do some googling. Let's put it that way: You format >and write to a double-density disk in a 360KB disk drive. The drive >spins at 300RPM and the floppy disk controller feeds it with a 250kbps >data stream. Now, you take the same disk, and put it in a 1.2MB drive, >which spins at 360RPM. What happens to the data rate? The RPM is >increased by 20%, and so is the data rate. 250kbps x 120% = 300kbps. That on the face of is true. But, at 360 rpm when the data rate is then 300 kilobaud, it would still take 300 kilobaud to read and write exactly 720k on the faster rpms just to keep up with the higher, 360 rpm disk speed. Crank the data rate up from 300 to 500 and you have the 1.2 megs on that same disk. Like I said, there are NO disk formats that I am aware of (and I'll plead guilty to not knowing anything about the original apple with its variable speed drives) that have actually used a 300 kilobaud data rate. >You are absolutely right when you say that a 5.25" HD drive would be >able to format a 1.44MB disk if it spun at 300RPM, but that's not the >point we're discussing. You are also right when you say that switching a >720KB drive from 250kbps to 300kbps would result in a 864KB format... >However, it is irrelevant because (as I already mentioned twice, and we >both agree on this fact) 5.25" HD drives use 500kpbs for high density >(and 300kbps for double density). If they can't switch the drive speed in software (and I think they could in the pc's but will not bet on it), that may have happened. I can see that scenario, but I've had a couple of machines (I've Been Moved mostly with an AT&T 3B1 (unix) thrown in to confuse the issue) that had 1.2 meg 5.25" drives. I suppose they could have diddled the clock speed for the FDC chip in order to write/read a 720k compatible disk in those drives, but as we both know, that format (in those 1.2 meg drives) was largely stillborn. Which is why there was such a glut of those drives available 10+ years ago I suppose. Teac bet the farm on 55-F's & G's at the time. _WE_ have no controllers capable of that without hardware modifications. And if the hdwe mod to make a 500kb controller was done, I'd sure slow the drive down to 300 rpm and have a 1.44 meg drive instead of a 1.2. With HD disks I'd think it would be very dependable. DD disks, we might have to test a few, but 90+% should Just Work(TM) as 1.44MB disks. So we are back to what we can do with 250kb as the default fdc speed, and a 500kb hack that will give 1.2 megs on the faster spinning disk. 300kb has never happened in the coco arena. When someone put a pc formatted 1.2 megger in his 720k drive that was only turning 300 rpms, then the data rate would be 416.666666667 kilobaud. And with that big a diff in the data rates, (it was expecting a 250 kilobaud rate remember?), I have doubts a good read could have ever been obtained. 300kb could be done, but I don't believe that in the real world it was done on a daily basis, if indeed ever outside of the test labs at Teac et all. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Support staff hung over, send aspirin and come back LATER. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 17:09:03 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:09:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200904071709.04057.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Neil Morrison wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Heskett" > >> I don't know who this Dave Dunfield is, but he is flat wrong on that >> point. > >He's somewhat well known > >http://www.dunfield.com/ > >I wonder if he's talking about 1.2 M drives or those odd 80 track ones the >Tandy 2000 used? > >Neil > No idea Neil, I couldn't find anything on that site that looked like a floppy formats FAQ. So I have NDI how he may have worded his version of it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The hardest part of climbing the ladder of success is getting through the crowd at the bottom. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 17:11:50 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:11:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0904071315i48f412e0u1c9294ee0458c06@mail.gmail.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0904071315i48f412e0u1c9294ee0458c06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904071711.50109.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Darren A wrote: >On 4/7/09, Gene Heskett wrote: >> I have never, and I've dealt with a lot of oddball storage media over the >> years I've been a broadcast engineer, heard of a 300 kilobaud data rate >> being >> used, in anything. > >---- > >A data rate of 300 kbps at 360 rpm is equivalent to 250 kbps at 300 rpm. > >Standard PC controllers support that data rate. My CoCoDisk utility for >Windows will read a standard double density CoCo diskette in a drive that is >spinning at 360 rpm. It times the interval between index hole pulses to see >how fast the motor is spinning. If it detects 360 rpm then it sets the >controller's bit rate to 300 kbps (and double steps the head for each >track). It works quite well. > >Darren > Ok, I wasn't aware of that, never having encountered a problem that required that sort of research to fix. This I take it was using the upd-765 controller that seemed to be in every pc? If only I could find the file on Dunfields site that started all this. >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The hardest part of climbing the ladder of success is getting through the crowd at the bottom. From operator at coco3.com Tue Apr 7 17:12:29 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] flashpak driver Message-ID: <20090407211247.312B420A14@qs281.pair.com> Boisy, I'm glancing through some of the nos9 source and noticed two things right away in flashpak.asm that you might want to change to greatly speed up the writes. bsr WrByte is the only call to WrByte, meaning a lot of cycles are wasted having the byte writer as a subroutine, unless further expansion will add code that also calls the subroutine. WrLoop lda ,x+ get data from buffer bsr WrByte write that byte <--- only call to byte writer bcs WrBlkDn if there was an error, break out inc ,s increment offset ldb ,s get new offset <--- This line is not needed bne WrLoop -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 17:15:11 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <49DBB75A.2090806@gmail.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49DBB75A.2090806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904071715.11920.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Christian Lesage wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> I don't know who this Dave Dunfield is, > >Mr. Dunfield is a programmer and a classic computer collector. He is >well-known in the embedded microcontroller sphere. Among other things, >he wrote the Micro-C compiler, which generates code for various >microprocessors and microcontrollers. > >His low-level disk utilities helped me create real disks from disk >images for the TRS-80 Model II. A visit to his classic computers website >( http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/ ) is worth it! > Been there today, several times, but have not been able to find the file that started this discussion. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) QOTD: "It was so cold last winter that I saw a lawyer with his hands in his own pockets." From hyperfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 17:17:57 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <200904071711.50109.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0904071315i48f412e0u1c9294ee0458c06@mail.gmail.com> <200904071711.50109.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49DBC305.3040806@gmail.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > This I take it was using the upd-765 controller > that seemed to be in every pc? > Yes. > If only I could find the file on Dunfields site that started all this. > http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img41867/speed300.htm He's talking about 1.2MB drives. The documentation of his ImageDisk utility is also very instructive. http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img41867/imd117.zip From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 17:20:07 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <200904071711.50109.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0904071315i48f412e0u1c9294ee0458c06@mail.gmail.com> <200904071711.50109.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000501c9b7c6$a046ec60$e0d4c520$@rr.com> No, I'm the one who started it all by asking if I could use a 1.2M floppy in an FD-502 case. :-) The simplest answer would have been "no, not with your level of mechanical ability" Thanks... > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:12 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive > > If only I could find the file on Dunfields site that started all this. > From hyperfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 17:22:26 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:22:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <000501c9b7c6$a046ec60$e0d4c520$@rr.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0904071315i48f412e0u1c9294ee0458c06@mail.gmail.com> <200904071711.50109.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <000501c9b7c6$a046ec60$e0d4c520$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49DBC412.8000708@gmail.com> Bill wrote: > No, I'm the one who started it all by asking if I could use a 1.2M floppy in > an FD-502 case. :-) The simplest answer would have been "no, not with your > level of mechanical ability" > Well, I think we all learned some new bits of information along the way! :) From boisy at tee-boy.com Tue Apr 7 17:41:45 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:41:45 -0500 Subject: [Coco] flashpak driver In-Reply-To: <20090407211247.312B420A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090407211247.312B420A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <52026DA9-8402-4028-AED2-1B6043329121@tee-boy.com> This happens to be non-functional code for a product that never existed; I've went ahead and removed it from the repository. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 7, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Boisy, I'm glancing through some of the nos9 source and noticed two > things right away in flashpak.asm that you might want to change to > greatly speed up the writes. > > bsr WrByte is the only call to WrByte, meaning a lot of cycles are > wasted having the byte writer as a subroutine, unless further > expansion will add code that also calls the subroutine. > > WrLoop lda ,x+ get data from buffer > bsr WrByte write that byte <--- only call to byte > writer > bcs WrBlkDn if there was an error, break out > > inc ,s increment offset > ldb ,s get new offset <--- This line is not needed > bne WrLoop > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 17:50:48 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:50:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <49DBC412.8000708@gmail.com> References: <004f01c9b74b$ce793550$6b6b9ff0$@rr.com> <200904071533.43990.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <5d802cd0904071315i48f412e0u1c9294ee0458c06@mail.gmail.com> <200904071711.50109.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <000501c9b7c6$a046ec60$e0d4c520$@rr.com> <49DBC412.8000708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c9b7ca$ea0babc0$be230340$@rr.com> Yeah, everyone but me-and I'm too dumb any more to understand it all. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Christian Lesage > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:22 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive > > Well, I think we all learned some new bits of information along the > way! :) > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 7 18:06:37 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:06:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49DBCE6D.2000203@worldnet.att.net> Bill wrote: > Bingo, you probably answered that problem. Since I DO KNOW how to access > floppy drives, ergo, there MUST be something wrong with the OS9Boot file I'm > using. Thank you. Alright, so let's try to find out what went wrong. When you enter mdir, what driver and descriptors do you see for the floppy system? From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 7 18:13:04 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:13:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <005a01c9b78c$558984b0$009c8e10$@rr.com> References: <005a01c9b78c$558984b0$009c8e10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49DBCFF0.3030900@worldnet.att.net> Bill wrote: > Has anyone put Deskmate on NitrOS9? I've been trying, but all I get is ERROR > #218 > > That error means the file already exists. What command did you give to "put Deskmate on NitrOS9"? From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 18:50:51 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:50:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <49DBCE6D.2000203@worldnet.att.net> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> <49DBCE6D.2000203@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <000c01c9b7d3$4d7add90$e87098b0$@rr.com> I apologize, I CAN access my /d0 (real floppy). The drivewire is /dd. Told ya, I'm brain-dead. When I do an mdir, I do see the /X1-/X3, as well as /DD, /DO, /D1, /D2, and /D3. mdir is one of the small things I had forgotten. Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:07 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives > > Alright, so let's try to find out what went wrong. > > When you enter mdir, what driver and descriptors do you see for the > floppy system? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 18:54:45 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:54:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <49DBCFF0.3030900@worldnet.att.net> References: <005a01c9b78c$558984b0$009c8e10$@rr.com> <49DBCFF0.3030900@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <000d01c9b7d3$d8ed42a0$8ac7c7e0$@rr.com> I haven't yet. I'm still studying the nitros9guide.pdf before I attempt it. At this point, I'm still trying to copy one file from the cmds directory to another cmds directory. I'm also trying to figure out what a "bare bones" nitro boot disk would have on it, so maybe I can put the entire DeskMate system on one disk, and have another for just the data. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:13 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 > > That error means the file already exists. > > What command did you give to "put Deskmate on NitrOS9"? > From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Tue Apr 7 19:18:51 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:18:51 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <005a01c9b78c$558984b0$009c8e10$@rr.com> References: <005a01c9b78c$558984b0$009c8e10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20090407231851.GA3380@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:22:50AM -0400, Bill wrote: > Has anyone put Deskmate on NitrOS9? I've been trying, but all I get is ERROR > #218 Should work. Works for me(1). May require patching Deskmate. More details about what you're trying to do and how you're trying to do it, please. Instructions for patching DeskMate are on RTSI, in OS9/OS9_6X09/APPS/MVue_DM3.lzh and DeskMate3_Patch.lzh. A Y2K-compliant DMTIME is in the Glenside Y2K Patch set. Lets see... Which exact version of NitrOS? 6809 or 6309, level I or II, version? Which Deskmate? What exactly are you doing that gets you an error 218, file already exists? A general procedure (assuming L2 and Deskmate 3): Build a boot new disk with vdg driver. You need covdg for Deskmate. Deskmate expects term_vdg. This can be patched, but only to another hard-coded window. Do ONE of these. You can: a: include term_vdg in your os9boot. Make sure you don't have term_cowin also. This doesn't work on 6_8_09L2 newer than 3.2.3 or 3.2.4. (2) b: include at least one vdg window descriptor v?.dw and patch deskmate to use that window. c: pick a /wN to use as a vdg window. Change its type with xmode before running deskmate. You will have to patch deskmate to use this window. w7 is the canonical window to do this to. copy all the deskmate files onto your new boot disk. Patch deskmate if needed. Reboot. If necessary, set up the vdg window. Run a shell in the vdg window. Run deskmate from that shell. (1)My setup: Nitros9LII-6809 3.2.6, Deskmate 3. This particular combination requires extra hacking. (2)A code-size issue with 6809 grfdrv broke booting with term_vdg. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Tue Apr 7 19:44:49 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:44:49 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <000d01c9b7d3$d8ed42a0$8ac7c7e0$@rr.com> References: <005a01c9b78c$558984b0$009c8e10$@rr.com> <49DBCFF0.3030900@worldnet.att.net> <000d01c9b7d3$d8ed42a0$8ac7c7e0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20090407234449.GA12593@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 06:54:45PM -0400, Bill wrote: > At this point, I'm still trying to copy one file from the cmds directory to > another cmds directory. Remember, copy /whatever/foo /whateverelse/cmds doesn't work. You either do: copy /whatever/foo /whateverelse/cmds/foo or copy -w=/whateverelse/cmds /whatever/foo >I'm also trying to figure out what a "bare bones" > nitro boot disk would have on it, so maybe I can put the entire DeskMate > system on one disk, and have another for just the data. A "bare bones" boot disk is what you have after using the mb script. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 7 19:46:09 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:46:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <000c01c9b7d3$4d7add90$e87098b0$@rr.com> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> <49DBCE6D.2000203@worldnet.att.net> <000c01c9b7d3$4d7add90$e87098b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49DBE5C1.2080505@worldnet.att.net> Bill wrote: > I apologize, I CAN access my /d0 (real floppy). The drivewire is /dd. > > Told ya, I'm brain-dead. > > When I do an mdir, I do see the /X1-/X3, as well as /DD, /DO, /D1, /D2, and > /D3. > > mdir is one of the small things I had forgotten. > > Thanks. > One other thing to keep in mind. The stock rb1773 module uses the drive masks $01,$02,$04,$40 which means you can't access the back side of disks as drives. If you want /d2 and /d3 to be the second side of a disk, the drive masks must be changed to $01,$02,$41,$42. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 7 19:51:00 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:51:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <49DBE5C1.2080505@worldnet.att.net> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> <49DBCE6D.2000203@worldnet.att.net> <000c01c9b7d3$4d7add90$e87098b0$@rr.com> <49DBE5C1.2080505@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <001c01c9b7db$b4800760$1d801620$@rr.com> Ye Gads, I didn't realize just how much I HAD forgotten. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:46 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives > > One other thing to keep in mind. The stock rb1773 module uses the drive > masks $01,$02,$04,$40 which means you can't access the back side of > disks as drives. If you want /d2 and /d3 to be the second side of a > disk, the drive masks must be changed to $01,$02,$41,$42. > From nutz4coco at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 19:58:30 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:58:30 -0700 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <20090407185409.GF3839@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> <1758639127.340591239123696700.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <889830d00904071058w74297c63h5ba1a63c888f5296@mail.gmail.com> <20090407185409.GF3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <889830d00904071658k727ed345t7d077c4f87733615@mail.gmail.com> Frank, Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to use the SuperIDE with a CF card, running HDB-DOS, and DW, but from what you say, that is not possible. That sort of shoots my plan in the foot. I thought it was possible? Any suggestions? Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Frank Pittel wrote: > You are correct. The zip drive should work under nitros (if i ever tried > using a > zip drive under nitros I would be more definative) if it's an atapi drive > and > you're using superdriver. > > The CF card will work under nitros and under the hdb-dos that supports the > ide > interface. It won't be available if you use it with the hdb-dos for > drivewire. > > Frank > > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:58:59AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: > > SuperDriver provides ATA/IDE/ATAPI support for NitrOS-9, but not for > > HBD-DOS. So the answer to my question of whether the ZIP will work > depends > > on whether I run NitrOS-9 or HBD-DOS. > > > > >From what I gather, CF cards should work regardless, so I should be able > to > > swap those if I want. > > > > Jim Cox > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Mark Marlette < > mmarlette at frontiernet.net>wrote: > > > > > As Frank has pointed out. > > > > > > ATA/IDE/ATAPI supported under SuperDriver. > > > > > > Mark > > > Cloud-9 > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mike Pepe" > > > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 11:31:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > > > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > > > > > Likely not to work. The Zip would be an ATAPI device whereas the CF > > > would be an IDE device. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto: > coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > > > On Behalf Of Jim Cox > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:58 PM > > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > > > > > Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? > > > > > > Jim Cox > > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > > > > > > > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be > > > easier > > > > to just swap CF cards? > > > > > > > > Jim Cox > > > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Rick, > > > >> > > > >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program > > > which > > > >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > > > >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > > > >> >partition, etc. > > > >> > > > >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, > > > and > > > >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. > > > >> > > > >> >Boisy > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > > > >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > > > >> > > > >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > > > >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > > > >> hard drive and use > > > >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) > > > >> > > > >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > > > >> on Ebay.. > > > >> > > > >> Roy > > > >> > > > >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner > > > for $10 > > > >> or > > > >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Coco mailing list > > > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 19:58:44 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:58:44 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> <49DBCE6D.2000203@worldnet.att.net><000c01c9b7d3$4d7add90$e87098b0$@rr.com> <49DBE5C1.2080505@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <005e01c9b7dc$cb246d20$0701a8c0@master> Robert, Unless someone has OS9 formatted disks which are set up as a separate disk (such as the Rainbow OS9 on disk), accessing the back side of a disk is not really useful. It's much more useful to use the entire disk as a single unit, both the lower and upper heads of the drive. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives > Bill wrote: >> I apologize, I CAN access my /d0 (real floppy). The drivewire is /dd. >> >> Told ya, I'm brain-dead. >> >> When I do an mdir, I do see the /X1-/X3, as well as /DD, /DO, /D1, /D2, >> and >> /D3. >> >> mdir is one of the small things I had forgotten. >> >> Thanks. >> > > One other thing to keep in mind. The stock rb1773 module uses the drive > masks $01,$02,$04,$40 which means you can't access the back side of disks > as drives. If you want /d2 and /d3 to be the second side of a disk, the > drive masks must be changed to $01,$02,$41,$42. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Tue Apr 7 20:10:07 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:10:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <0DC0F0DB-06F3-4D60-B741-5CCBB42E7A68@pobox.com> On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:21 PM, John W. Linville wrote: > As for the video data, ffmpeg can bust videos into individual bitmap > files like this: > > ffmpeg -i foo.avi -r 30 foo-%03d.bmp Wow, that batch processing would sure make it easy. Then the trick is using some kind of Debabbelizer program that can scale the graphics automatically. Initially, I'd like to see one that scales to VDG semigraphics (yes, the 64x32 block graphics on the CoCo 1/2/3 green screen). In the olden days, I did some computer graphics on a VIC-20 with the Super Expander cartridge. They were used at a booth at the Houston Boat Show. Large letters, colorful, etc. Very nice. When I moved up to a CoCo 1, my dad did not care for the graphics -- less colors, etc. I still did more graphics for another show -- recreated the logo of the Texas Fisherman magazine (pixel by pixel!) and later used an X-PAD to trace maps. Now the killer part: I saved the graphics out to cassette tape, and loaded them in one at a time -- recording that to VHS. The end result were graphics that "drew" down the screen. It impressed the heck out of everyone back then -- "wow, computer graphics!" I also recall doing some store windows displays for the local Radio Shack, using Extended Color Basic to draw letters and make them cycle colors and such -- fun times! So, a VDG Movie Player will be my first shot :-) -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 7 21:32:48 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:32:48 -0500 Subject: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904071658k727ed345t7d077c4f87733615@mail.gmail.com> References: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1E7@fenestra.lamunet.local> <1758639127.340591239123696700.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <889830d00904071058w74297c63h5ba1a63c888f5296@mail.gmail.com> <20090407185409.GF3839@warlock.deepthought.com> <889830d00904071658k727ed345t7d077c4f87733615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090408013248.GG3839@warlock.deepthought.com> Jim, You can use hdb-dos with drivewire and the ide controller. Unfortunatly just not at the same time. Frank On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 04:58:30PM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: > Frank, > > Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to use the SuperIDE with a CF card, > running HDB-DOS, and DW, but from what you say, that is not possible. > > That sort of shoots my plan in the foot. I thought it was possible? Any > suggestions? > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Frank Pittel wrote: > > > You are correct. The zip drive should work under nitros (if i ever tried > > using a > > zip drive under nitros I would be more definative) if it's an atapi drive > > and > > you're using superdriver. > > > > The CF card will work under nitros and under the hdb-dos that supports the > > ide > > interface. It won't be available if you use it with the hdb-dos for > > drivewire. > > > > Frank > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:58:59AM -0700, Jim Cox wrote: > > > SuperDriver provides ATA/IDE/ATAPI support for NitrOS-9, but not for > > > HBD-DOS. So the answer to my question of whether the ZIP will work > > depends > > > on whether I run NitrOS-9 or HBD-DOS. > > > > > > >From what I gather, CF cards should work regardless, so I should be able > > to > > > swap those if I want. > > > > > > Jim Cox > > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Mark Marlette < > > mmarlette at frontiernet.net>wrote: > > > > > > > As Frank has pointed out. > > > > > > > > ATA/IDE/ATAPI supported under SuperDriver. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > Cloud-9 > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mike Pepe" > > > > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 11:31:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > > > > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > > > > > > > Likely not to work. The Zip would be an ATAPI device whereas the CF > > > > would be an IDE device. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto: > > coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > > > > On Behalf Of Jim Cox > > > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:58 PM > > > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > > > Subject: Re: [Coco] My CoCo plans - Looking for advice and insight. > > > > > > > > Is anyone using a Zip Drive with the SuperIDE? > > > > > > > > Jim Cox > > > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > > > > > > > > > So could I use an IDE Zip drive for the same purpose, or would it be > > > > easier > > > > > to just swap CF cards? > > > > > > > > > > Jim Cox > > > > > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > > > > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > > > > > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> In a message dated 4/6/2009 7:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > >> boisy at tee-boy.com writes: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >Rick, > > > > >> > > > > >> >HDB-DOS's installation process includes running a BASIC program > > > > which > > > > >> >will ask you if you want to compensate for an OS-9 partition; > > > > >> >answering yes yields further questions regarding size of the > > > > >> >partition, etc. > > > > >> > > > > >> >This process can be fraught with problems for the inexperienced, > > > > and > > > > >> >it's for that reason we offer a customization service. > > > > >> > > > > >> >Boisy > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> You know you can do it the way I did it and avoid the > > > > >> headaches and heartbreaks of multipartitions. > > > > >> > > > > >> I use a 100 mb internal scuzzi zip drive connected > > > > >> to a TC-3 interface in my repack as a removable > > > > >> hard drive and use > > > > >> one cartridge for HDB-DOS and another for Nitros9. :) > > > > >> > > > > >> You can find the drives and cartridges with a search > > > > >> on Ebay.. > > > > >> > > > > >> Roy > > > > >> > > > > >> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner > > > > for $10 > > > > >> or > > > > >> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Coco mailing list > > > > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Coco mailing list > > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Coco mailing list > > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Coco mailing list > > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Tue Apr 7 21:58:52 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:58:52 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <005e01c9b7dc$cb246d20$0701a8c0@master> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> <49DBE5C1.2080505@worldnet.att.net> <005e01c9b7dc$cb246d20$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <20090408015852.GA26932@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 09:58:44AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: > Unless someone has OS9 formatted disks which are set up as a separate disk > (such as the Rainbow OS9 on disk), accessing the back side of a disk is not > really useful. Those were flippies, weren't they? > > It's much more useful to use the entire disk as a single unit, both the > lower and upper heads of the drive. I suppose that might be useful to access both sides of a double-sided DECB disk written with one of the DOS patches, but other than that, I gotta agree. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From chester6809 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 21:59:48 2009 From: chester6809 at gmail.com (Chester Patterson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:59:48 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <20090407231851.GA3380@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <2F6DE46A0C56489BA2BDC17F630FBD3D@chester> How? Where? I tried http://www.glensideccc.com/ and find no links to a file repository... Thanks! /Chester Costa Rica -----Original Message----- From: Willard Goosey [mailto:goosey at virgo.sdc.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:19 PM A Y2K-compliant DMTIME is in the Glenside Y2K Patch set. From ed.orbea at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 22:08:11 2009 From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:08:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] SSP with NitrOS9 Message-ID: <49DC070B.3080308@gmail.com> I remember seeing a web page about making changes to a Tandy Speech Sound Pack so that it would run under OS9 Level II or NitrOS9, but I can't remember which or where I found the info. I am running a 6809 CoCo 3, with Cloud9'e memory upgrade with a modified MPI. I am using a Disto SCII with dual 3.5 DSDD drives, I have Rogers new wireless cartridge, but am waiting for my ebay bluetooth USB purchase to arrive. My display is a LCD monitor using Roy's RBG to VGA converter I am using a custom version of NitrOS9 L2 ver 3.2.9. My custom boot disk has DW3 and the SSP files from the MODULES/SCF directory, the Disto SC driver, 6551 t2 driver, etc I have my Disto in slot 3, Rogers pack in slot 0, and my SSP in slot 2 I reference my HW/SW config in case I am "missing" something that might be obvious to others, but not obvious to me. Currently with the SSP installed in the MPI, BUT NOT IN USE, everything works without any problems. Floppy access, DW3 access, correct display, etc. My question is two-fold: (1) Do I need to make any (hardware, jumper, etc) changes to the SSP in order to make it work (2) To use it, can I just redirect text or output a text file to the SSP driver Thanks Ed Orbea From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Tue Apr 7 22:10:22 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:10:22 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <2F6DE46A0C56489BA2BDC17F630FBD3D@chester> References: <20090407231851.GA3380@virgo.sdc.org> <2F6DE46A0C56489BA2BDC17F630FBD3D@chester> Message-ID: <20090408021022.GB28202@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 07:59:48PM -0600, Chester Patterson wrote: > How? Where? I tried http://www.glensideccc.com/ and find no links to a file > repository... > From: Willard Goosey [mailto:goosey at virgo.sdc.org] >> A Y2K-compliant DMTIME is in the Glenside Y2K Patch set. They charge for it. IIRC it was $15, and that also scores you a year's membership. It's three SS disks, and it's worth it. Fixes almost every :9 or 109 that the apps will throw at you. Brian Goers? I don't remember who to bug about it? Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From alsplace at pobox.com Tue Apr 7 22:11:23 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:11:23 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest - Atlanta 1994 Message-ID: I am currently reviewing some video I shot at the 1994 Atlanta CoCoFest, including footage from the OS-9 Users Group meeting on... Saturday night? There was another full-size VHS camcorder set up on a tripod in this room that, I assume, recorded the whole thing. Who has this footage? Some great names at this meeting. Wow, just wow. A separate room for seminars, and tons of seating. I hope to start making more of this footage available soon. Well, if Soon means May probably. -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 22:13:03 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:13:03 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com><49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net><005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com><49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net><005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com><49DBE5C1.2080505@worldnet.att.net><005e01c9b7dc$cb246d20$0701a8c0@master> <20090408015852.GA26932@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <007f01c9b7ef$8ed91d30$0701a8c0@master> Willard wrote: > > Those were flippies, weren't they? >> Now that you mention it, you're right. > I suppose that might be useful to access both sides of a double-sided > DECB disk written with one of the DOS patches, but other than that, I > gotta agree. Actually, there's a programme written for OS9 which can access the back side of a DECB disk I think. Doesn't the programme RSDOS do that? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willard Goosey" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives > On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 09:58:44AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >> Unless someone has OS9 formatted disks which are set up as a separate >> disk >> (such as the Rainbow OS9 on disk), accessing the back side of a disk is >> not >> really useful. > > Those were flippies, weren't they? >> >> It's much more useful to use the entire disk as a single unit, both the >> lower and upper heads of the drive. > > I suppose that might be useful to access both sides of a double-sided > DECB disk written with one of the DOS patches, but other than that, I > gotta agree. > > Willard > -- > Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. > -- R.E. Howard > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 22:16:13 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Deskmate on NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <20090408021022.GB28202@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090407231851.GA3380@virgo.sdc.org> <2F6DE46A0C56489BA2BDC17F630FBD3D@chester> <20090408021022.GB28202@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <49DC08ED.30306@sbcglobal.net> I am already checking on it. Willard Goosey wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 07:59:48PM -0600, Chester Patterson wrote: > >> How? Where? I tried http://www.glensideccc.com/ and find no links to a file >> repository... >> >> From: Willard Goosey [mailto:goosey at virgo.sdc.org] >> >>> A Y2K-compliant DMTIME is in the Glenside Y2K Patch set. >>> > > They charge for it. IIRC it was $15, and that also scores you a > year's membership. > > It's three SS disks, and it's worth it. Fixes almost every :9 or 109 > that the apps will throw at you. > > Brian Goers? I don't remember who to bug about it? > > Willard > -- Brian Goers Glenside Color Computer Club URL Glenside Vice-President of Special Events http://GlensideCCC.com IDE Boards are available. Show cost $45.00 The 19th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! Includes items in the picture Will be held MAY 15 & 16, 2010! Holiday Inn & Suites in Elgin. The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Tue Apr 7 22:28:43 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:28:43 -0600 Subject: [Coco] SSP with NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <49DC070B.3080308@gmail.com> References: <49DC070B.3080308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090408022843.GD28202@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 07:08:11PM -0700, Ed Orbea wrote: > I remember seeing a web page about making changes to a Tandy Speech > Sound Pack so that it would run under OS9 Level II or NitrOS9, but I > can't remember which or where I found the info. I think you're looking for http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html The SSP needs a hardware upgrade to run at 2MHz. > My question is two-fold: > (1) Do I need to make any (hardware, jumper, etc) changes to the SSP in > order to make it work For OS9, Yup. > (2) To use it, can I just redirect text or output a text file to the SSP > driver Yep. But the SSP driver only does speech, not the YM sound chip. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 7 22:29:54 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:29:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <20090408015852.GA26932@virgo.sdc.org> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> <49DBE5C1.2080505@worldnet.att.net> <005e01c9b7dc$cb246d20$0701a8c0@master> <20090408015852.GA26932@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <49DC0C22.6050309@worldnet.att.net> Willard Goosey wrote: > On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 09:58:44AM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: >> Unless someone has OS9 formatted disks which are set up as a separate disk >> (such as the Rainbow OS9 on disk), accessing the back side of a disk is not >> really useful. > > Those were flippies, weren't they? >> It's much more useful to use the entire disk as a single unit, both the >> lower and upper heads of the drive. > > I suppose that might be useful to access both sides of a double-sided > DECB disk written with one of the DOS patches, but other than that, I > gotta agree. > > Willard Keep in mind the history of OS-9. The Coco started out as Disk Basic only with no provision for double sided drives. Hackers then realized that with a change of the drive masks, one could double the disk space by using the back side of disks. When OS-9 LevelI was released, Tandy was still assuming single sided drives. Once again, disk space could be doubled by changing the drive masks. Look through "The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS-9" by Puckett and Dibble and you will find a discussion of this on page 156. LevelII or maybe LevelI version 2, contained a driver that correctly handled double sided disks. Now users had a choice of how disks should be formatted, but old disks formatted as two singles might still need to be used. Depending on the number of floppy drives attached to your system, it does no harm to alter the drive masks. If you have only two drives, /d0 and /d1 can be set for true doubles while /d2 and /d3 can be the back side of the drives. Then any variety of Coco disk can be read. If you have more than two floppies, you may want to stick with true doubles. However, you can be more creative than that. You can increase the number of "drives" that rb1773 handles from 4 to 6, maybe 7. The drive mask table would be $01,$02,$04,$40,$41,$42,$44. That could give you /d0 /d1 and /d2 as true doubles, /d3 would be a single sided drive, /d4 /d5 and /d6 would be the back sides of /d0 /d1 and /d2. From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Tue Apr 7 22:34:41 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:34:41 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <007f01c9b7ef$8ed91d30$0701a8c0@master> References: <20090408015852.GA26932@virgo.sdc.org> <007f01c9b7ef$8ed91d30$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <20090408023441.GA31567@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 12:13:03PM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: > Actually, there's a programme written for OS9 which can access the back > side of a DECB disk I think. Doesn't the programme RSDOS do that? I'm not sure... I have so few DS DECB disks. I never did get a patched ROM. I know the dskini.exe under ms-dos can handle those, but I don't know about rsdos. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Tue Apr 7 22:44:14 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire, NitrOS9, and floppy drives In-Reply-To: <49DC0C22.6050309@worldnet.att.net> References: <004901c9b749$ef479030$cdd6b090$@rr.com> <49DC941D.7000002@worldnet.att.net> <005601c9b77a$9a266370$ce732a50$@rr.com> <49DCB0FF.8020403@worldnet.att.net> <005b01c9b78c$ae51f140$0af5d3c0$@rr.com> <49DBE5C1.2080505@worldnet.att.net> <005e01c9b7dc$cb246d20$0701a8c0@master> <20090408015852.GA26932@virgo.sdc.org> <49DC0C22.6050309@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20090408024414.GB31567@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:29:54PM -0400, Robert Gault wrote: [...] > LevelII or maybe LevelI version 2, contained a driver that correctly > handled double sided disks. Now users had a choice of how disks should > be formatted, but old disks formatted as two singles might still need to > be used. Eeeck! I didn't know anyone ever did that with OS-9 disks. I guess I assumed that anyone who wanted DD drives "back in the day" sprang for SDISK. > You can increase the number of "drives" that rb1773 handles from 4 to 6, > maybe 7. The drive mask table would be $01,$02,$04,$40,$41,$42,$44. That > could give you /d0 /d1 and /d2 as true doubles, /d3 would be a single > sided drive, /d4 /d5 and /d6 would be the back sides of /d0 /d1 and /d2. OK, if you need to access some truly ancient disks. Otherwise, it's an interesting idea. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 7 22:48:44 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:48:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] SSP with NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <20090408022843.GD28202@virgo.sdc.org> References: <49DC070B.3080308@gmail.com> <20090408022843.GD28202@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <49DC108C.9060702@worldnet.att.net> And also here: http://coco3.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=25 http://home.att.net/~robert.gault/Coco/FAQ/SSC_hack.htm From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 8 00:03:25 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:03:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 512K upgrade Message-ID: <003301c9b7fe$f8145cb0$e83d1610$@rr.com> O.K., remind me again, other than the fact that the Coco will boot, how do I know if the 512K upgrade was a success?? Thanks From badfrog at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 00:09:36 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:09:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 512K upgrade In-Reply-To: <003301c9b7fe$f8145cb0$e83d1610$@rr.com> References: <003301c9b7fe$f8145cb0$e83d1610$@rr.com> Message-ID: <9efa17da0904072109n4f3689e4u79bc112d7a5f7acf@mail.gmail.com> Powering on is a good sign. :) There's some BASIC program or series of POKEs to use, but I don't have that info handy.. Or, if you can play Leisure Suit Larry or King's Quest, then it's good! ( I think those required 512k) On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Bill wrote: > O.K., remind me again, other than the fact that the Coco will boot, how do I > know if the 512K upgrade was a success?? > > Thanks > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From mechacoco at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 00:31:21 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:31:21 -0600 Subject: [Coco] 512K upgrade In-Reply-To: <003301c9b7fe$f8145cb0$e83d1610$@rr.com> References: <003301c9b7fe$f8145cb0$e83d1610$@rr.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904072131s29cf992n3bfd478d4cfa253f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/7/09, Bill wrote: > O.K., remind me again, other than the fact that the Coco will boot, how do I > know if the 512K upgrade was a success?? > > Thanks > ----- You could try this: 10 POKE 240,0 20 LPOKE 65776,1 30 IF PEEK(240) THEN PRINT "128K" ELSE PRINT "512K" Darren From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 8 00:39:12 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:39:12 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 512K upgrade In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0904072131s29cf992n3bfd478d4cfa253f@mail.gmail.com> References: <003301c9b7fe$f8145cb0$e83d1610$@rr.com> <5d802cd0904072131s29cf992n3bfd478d4cfa253f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01c9b803$f71c9cf0$e555d6d0$@rr.com> Thanks... > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Darren A > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:31 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] 512K upgrade > > You could try this: > > 10 POKE 240,0 > 20 LPOKE 65776,1 > 30 IF PEEK(240) THEN PRINT "128K" ELSE PRINT "512K" > From deemcr at robinson-west.com Wed Apr 8 02:56:20 2009 From: deemcr at robinson-west.com (Michael Robinson) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:56:20 -0700 Subject: [Coco] 512K upgrade In-Reply-To: <003c01c9b803$f71c9cf0$e555d6d0$@rr.com> References: <003301c9b7fe$f8145cb0$e83d1610$@rr.com> <5d802cd0904072131s29cf992n3bfd478d4cfa253f@mail.gmail.com> <003c01c9b803$f71c9cf0$e555d6d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1239173781.9948.0.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com> Do you need a memory testing program for 512k? From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 8 07:48:47 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:48:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 512K upgrade In-Reply-To: <1239173781.9948.0.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com> References: <003301c9b7fe$f8145cb0$e83d1610$@rr.com> <5d802cd0904072131s29cf992n3bfd478d4cfa253f@mail.gmail.com> <003c01c9b803$f71c9cf0$e555d6d0$@rr.com> <1239173781.9948.0.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com> Message-ID: <004001c9b83f$faa7ef50$eff7cdf0$@rr.com> Yessir, if you know of one, thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Michael Robinson > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:56 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] 512K upgrade > > Do you need a memory testing program for 512k? > From jcewy at swbell.net Wed Apr 8 10:06:49 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:06:49 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Video Player Project In-Reply-To: <0DC0F0DB-06F3-4D60-B741-5CCBB42E7A68@pobox.com> References: <9efa17da0904021805ldb4100s5c14c35513ab7d7e@mail.gmail.com> <20090403012126.GB3289@tuxdriver.com> <0DC0F0DB-06F3-4D60-B741-5CCBB42E7A68@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49DCAF79.7050407@swbell.net> Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:21 PM, John W. Linville wrote: >> As for the video data, ffmpeg can bust videos into individual bitmap >> files like this: >> >> ffmpeg -i foo.avi -r 30 foo-%03d.bmp > > Wow, that batch processing would sure make it easy. Then the trick is > using some kind of Debabbelizer program that can scale the graphics > automatically. Initially, I'd like to see one that scales to VDG > semigraphics (yes, the 64x32 block graphics on the CoCo 1/2/3 green > screen). > I cooked up some simple Perl scripts that use the NETPBM tools to automatically pre-scale images to appropriate sizes for the Amiga, MM/1, and CoCo. There's not much to them, but I'd be happy to share if there's any interest. JCE > In the olden days, I did some computer graphics on a VIC-20 with the > Super Expander cartridge. They were used at a booth at the Houston > Boat Show. Large letters, colorful, etc. Very nice. > > When I moved up to a CoCo 1, my dad did not care for the graphics -- > less colors, etc. I still did more graphics for another show -- > recreated the logo of the Texas Fisherman magazine (pixel by pixel!) > and later used an X-PAD to trace maps. > > Now the killer part: I saved the graphics out to cassette tape, and > loaded them in one at a time -- recording that to VHS. The end result > were graphics that "drew" down the screen. It impressed the heck out > of everyone back then -- "wow, computer graphics!" > > I also recall doing some store windows displays for the local Radio > Shack, using Extended Color Basic to draw letters and make them cycle > colors and such -- fun times! > > So, a VDG Movie Player will be my first shot :-) > > -- > Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! > Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com > > Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get > credit! > http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en > > > 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer > (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 8 14:26:34 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Wireless NitrOS-9 Message-ID: <20090408182658.6384420A16@qs281.pair.com> First, I want to make an announcement that I have "almost successfully" made a wireless booting NitrOS-9 system. LET ME EXPLAIN: Without making claims of inventing anything, and using no "smoke and mirrors" whatsoever, I can take a bare CoCo 3, plug in my wireless CoCoNet pak, type DOS, and NitrOS-9 boots right out of thin air. Ok, it's not exactly out of nowhere but a new virtual "boot drive" is on the remote PC and is served wirelessly. It's working up until the shell is attempted. I'm going to trim os9boot some more and I should have it working within hours from now. I'll definately post the official news when it happens. Btw, the drivers aren't NOS9-only. Just another CoCo goodie from your favorite "smoke-blowing" "NitrOS-9 noob", ROGER TAYLOR -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 8 14:32:49 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Dragons Message-ID: <20090408183313.3858B20A14@qs281.pair.com> I never was a Dragon user, never used one, never read the manuals, never had a reason to go there.... So don't shoot me for asking this. Can a CoCo game pak, or RS-232 Pak, work in a Dragon? Someone e-mailed me this question and.... heck, I just don't know the answer. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Wed Apr 8 15:24:40 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:24:40 -0600 Subject: [Coco] SSP with NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <20090408022843.GD28202@virgo.sdc.org> References: <49DC070B.3080308@gmail.com> <20090408022843.GD28202@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <20090408192440.GA11107@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 08:28:43PM -0600, Willard Goosey wrote: > Yep. But the SSP driver only does speech, not the YM sound chip. (Yes, I'm replying to my own post.) But I can't help but wonder if Boisy isn't eventually going to expand on this. Why else would he split snddrv out from cc3io, unless he was planning a snddrv_ssp and a snddrv_orch90? (watch, I'll either get told "that's in 3.2.8" or "there's this old set of patches..." or "the superboard has a SoundBlaster AWE32 embedded in it." :-) Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From boisy at tee-boy.com Wed Apr 8 16:10:14 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] SSP with NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <20090408192440.GA11107@virgo.sdc.org> References: <49DC070B.3080308@gmail.com> <20090408022843.GD28202@virgo.sdc.org> <20090408192440.GA11107@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <786CD619-A295-41CD-9C75-C175922F53AD@tee-boy.com> On Apr 8, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Willard Goosey wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 08:28:43PM -0600, Willard Goosey wrote: >> Yep. But the SSP driver only does speech, not the YM sound chip. > > (Yes, I'm replying to my own post.) > > But I can't help but wonder if Boisy isn't eventually going to expand > on this. Why else would he split snddrv out from cc3io, unless he was > planning a snddrv_ssp and a snddrv_orch90? > > (watch, I'll either get told "that's in 3.2.8" or "there's this old > set of patches..." or "the superboard has a SoundBlaster AWE32 > embedded in it." :-) Truth be told, Willard, it's a great idea, but I cannot take credit for it. Keydrv, and snddrv were busted out of CC3IO (now VTIO) by the Level 2 Upgrade bunch. I agree that having a snddrv_ssp and sndrv_orch90 would be cool. Regarding SuperBoard, cannot say too much :) Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com From cocomalt at 6809.org.uk Wed Apr 8 16:42:29 2009 From: cocomalt at 6809.org.uk (Ciaran Anscomb) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:42:29 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Dragons In-Reply-To: <20090408183313.3858B20A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090408183313.3858B20A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <19464.1239223349@torch.6809.org.uk> Roger Taylor wrote: > > I never was a Dragon user, never used one, never read the manuals, > never had a reason to go there.... > > So don't shoot me for asking this. > > Can a CoCo game pak, or RS-232 Pak, work in a Dragon? Someone > e-mailed me this question and.... heck, I just don't know the answer. Hardware - unless it conflicts, yes - the interface is the same. Software - often! Quite a lot of the CoCo game carts actually work unaltered on a Dragon because their ROM calls are made via the indirect jump table, which also exists in the Dragon ROM. And if they use joysticks, the keyboard matrix difference doesn't matter much either. The same cannot be said in reverse, sadly - most of the Dragon game carts I've looked at make pretty direct ROM calls. ..ciaran -- Ciaran Anscomb, Perl/C Hacker From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Wed Apr 8 17:31:56 2009 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:31:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9efa17da0904062103m2f496f0wfc5fe73041681bb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904081731.56881.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Frantically waving my hands... I do 8-). they make great data backup devices. I have three attached to my peecee. On Tuesday 07 April 2009 00:03:22 Sean wrote: > Heh, changing the subject of this to OT... > The only time I dealt with the SyQuest was with a parallel version. I > thought I was going to have to smash it out of anger it was soooooo > slooooow.... > > Guess I never tried the SCSI version. > > Last year I threw out a whole box of the 1G version of the Syquest > disks, as well as many Jaz disks and drives. > I guess I could have put them on ebay, but I was in charge of moving > my office to another building, there was so much old hardware that I > had no time to worry about the nostalgia factor. > > Truthfully, I really didn't think anyone would be using a Jaz or > Syquest drive for any reason. > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: > >> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. ?Hell of a time > >> finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. ?At the time I > >> wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! > > > > I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI > > model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo > > SCSI interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on my > > MM/1. > > > > In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced > > similar problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they used > > to add hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if other > > CoCo interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but it was > > a drag not being able to use these on my CoCo. > > > > Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar > > prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. > > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- A > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mmarlette at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 8 17:46:28 2009 From: mmarlette at frontiernet.net (Mark Marlette) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <200904081731.56881.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <460789309.385271239227188844.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> We sold over 100 units of the TC^3 SCSI interface. Jaz, Zip, SyQuest so they are out there. Mark Cloud-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "richec" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 4:31:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats Frantically waving my hands... I do 8-). they make great data backup devices. I have three attached to my peecee. On Tuesday 07 April 2009 00:03:22 Sean wrote: > Heh, changing the subject of this to OT... > The only time I dealt with the SyQuest was with a parallel version. I > thought I was going to have to smash it out of anger it was soooooo > slooooow.... > > Guess I never tried the SCSI version. > > Last year I threw out a whole box of the 1G version of the Syquest > disks, as well as many Jaz disks and drives. > I guess I could have put them on ebay, but I was in charge of moving > my office to another building, there was so much old hardware that I > had no time to worry about the nostalgia factor. > > Truthfully, I really didn't think anyone would be using a Jaz or > Syquest drive for any reason. > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: > >> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. Hell of a time > >> finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. At the time I > >> wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! > > > > I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI > > model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo > > SCSI interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on my > > MM/1. > > > > In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced > > similar problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they used > > to add hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if other > > CoCo interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but it was > > a drag not being able to use these on my CoCo. > > > > Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar > > prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. > > > > -- A > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nutz4coco at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 17:49:30 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:49:30 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: Help! Trying to convert Adobe .pdf employment application to MS Word .doc file. Message-ID: <889830d00904081449v58429860je103b6770b2b8076@mail.gmail.com> Sorry this is OT, but I need some help. I am applying for a job and the application is in .pdf format. I would like to make a good impression, so I would prefer to edit the document rather than print by hand. Adobe Standard costs way too much for me to buy right now. I know I have chatted with some CoCoNuts out there that have been able to readily convert Adobe .pdf files to Word .doc files so they can be edited. I have tried the so-called free solutions and have not had any success. If anyone of you out there have the ability to convert .pdf files to .doc files, please contact me in private. Thanks! Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 8 18:05:50 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:05:50 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 out of thin air :) Message-ID: <20090408220625.3DC5D20A13@qs281.pair.com> I just had to.... What does NitrOS-9 NOOB mean? "NitrOS-9 Operating Over Bluetooth", ofcourse! On Wednesday, April 8, 2009, I watched my CoCo 3 boot into NitrOS-9 over a wireless serial connection. That is, using no floppy drives, no MPI, just the bluetooth cartridge, I typed DOS and was at the NitrOS-9 prompt within 20 seconds or so. I've got: {Term|02}/DD: Even with this great news, there's still issues to be worked out since I have no commands available that I know of except for chx and chd, so something kinda went wrong in either the boot disk creation or the boot process, but I'll figure it out. So it's still too early to call it official until I can work around the prompt for a while and make new bootdisks, etc. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From nutz4coco at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 19:57:47 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: Help! Trying to convert Adobe .pdf employment application to MS Word .doc file. In-Reply-To: <889830d00904081449v58429860je103b6770b2b8076@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904081449v58429860je103b6770b2b8076@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <889830d00904081657t7b89deaar27d4e9cb7b86deb2@mail.gmail.com> I've gotten some offers of help. Thanks! Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > Sorry this is OT, but I need some help. I am applying for a job and the > application is in .pdf format. I would like to make a good impression, so I > would prefer to edit the document rather than print by hand. Adobe Standard > costs way too much for me to buy right now. > > I know I have chatted with some CoCoNuts out there that have been able to > readily convert Adobe .pdf files to Word .doc files so they can be edited. > I have tried the so-called free solutions and have not had any success. If > anyone of you out there have the ability to convert .pdf files to .doc > files, please contact me in private. > > Thanks! > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 8 20:32:27 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:32:27 -0500 Subject: [Coco] binary file format (CLOADM/LOADM) Message-ID: <47CBDE8A-0E4D-4E78-B5D2-4C4A67F25B88@pobox.com> Can someone summarize the byte sequence used by binary files -- or point me to the specs? Like, what is the header, and how do you specify the ORG address where data loads, for a BIN file? -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 8 21:42:17 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:42:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] binary file format (CLOADM/LOADM) In-Reply-To: <47CBDE8A-0E4D-4E78-B5D2-4C4A67F25B88@pobox.com> References: <47CBDE8A-0E4D-4E78-B5D2-4C4A67F25B88@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49DD5279.9010304@worldnet.att.net> Allen Huffman wrote: > Can someone summarize the byte sequence used by binary files -- or point > me to the specs? Like, what is the header, and how do you specify the > ORG address where data loads, for a BIN file? > The disk file structure separates each block of code with instructions for the DOS on where to load the block and the size of the block. These separators referred to in the "Unravelled" series as preambles and postambles have the following structures. byte preamble postamble 0 $00 flag $FF flag 1,2 length of block $0000 3,4 load address EXEC address Typically the data blocks are 256 byte blocks or the ml program is a single block the size of the program. It depends on how it was assembled and the number of ORG statements in the source code. Tape files have a slightly different format. 1) A leader of 128 bytes of $%% 2) Namefile block 3) 0.5 sec blank 4) 128 bytes $55 5) data blocks 6) end of file block Block headers 1) $55 2) $3C sync byte 3) block type; name=0, data=1, EOF=$FF 4) block length byte; value 0-255 5) data; 0-255 bytes 6) checksum 7) $55 Namefile block 15 bytes of data 1) 8 bytes for name 2) file type byte; Basic=0, data=1, ML=2 3) ascii flag; binary=0, ascii=$FF 4) gap flag byte; continuous=1, gaps=$FF - this byte may not be used 5) 2 bytes; start address 6) 2 bytes; load address EOF block No data bytes From rrivey at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 21:55:07 2009 From: rrivey at yahoo.com (Richard Ivey) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] REALLY? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <820008.17513.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Proof that people still take hallucinogenic drugs! http://cgi.ebay.com/Zork-Great-Underground-Empire-for-Tandy-TRS-80-Computer_W0QQitemZ310133527248QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Vintage_Video_Games?hash=item310133527248&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A3|294%3A50 From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 8 22:13:59 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] REALLY? In-Reply-To: <820008.17513.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <820008.17513.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007101c9b8b8$d8596400$890c2c00$@rr.com> I wish I knew what drugs he was on. They gotta be GOOD if he believes he'll get that for a Model III game. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ivey > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:55 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] REALLY? > > Proof that people still take hallucinogenic drugs! > From devries.bob at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 22:14:53 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:14:53 +1000 Subject: [Coco] binary file format (CLOADM/LOADM) References: <47CBDE8A-0E4D-4E78-B5D2-4C4A67F25B88@pobox.com> <49DD5279.9010304@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <006b01c9b8b8$fa90d9e0$0701a8c0@master> When EdtASM+ creates a binary file during assembly, it makes the block size 128 ($80) bytes each. EdtASM seems not to be able to create a contiguous file. So for every 128 byte block, there's 5 bytes overhead. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] binary file format (CLOADM/LOADM) > Allen Huffman wrote: >> Can someone summarize the byte sequence used by binary files -- or point >> me to the specs? Like, what is the header, and how do you specify the ORG >> address where data loads, for a BIN file? >> > > The disk file structure separates each block of code with instructions for > the DOS on where to load the block and the size of the block. These > separators referred to in the "Unravelled" series as preambles and > postambles have the following structures. > > byte preamble postamble > 0 $00 flag $FF flag > 1,2 length of block $0000 > 3,4 load address EXEC address > > Typically the data blocks are 256 byte blocks or the ml program is a > single block the size of the program. It depends on how it was assembled > and the number of ORG statements in the source code. > > Tape files have a slightly different format. > 1) A leader of 128 bytes of $%% > 2) Namefile block > 3) 0.5 sec blank > 4) 128 bytes $55 > 5) data blocks > 6) end of file block > > Block headers > 1) $55 > 2) $3C sync byte > 3) block type; name=0, data=1, EOF=$FF > 4) block length byte; value 0-255 > 5) data; 0-255 bytes > 6) checksum > 7) $55 > > Namefile block 15 bytes of data > 1) 8 bytes for name > 2) file type byte; Basic=0, data=1, ML=2 > 3) ascii flag; binary=0, ascii=$FF > 4) gap flag byte; continuous=1, gaps=$FF - this byte may not be used > 5) 2 bytes; start address > 6) 2 bytes; load address > > EOF block > No data bytes > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Wed Apr 8 23:17:03 2009 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:17:03 GMT Subject: [Coco] REALLY? Message-ID: <200904082317388.SM02200@[208.76.35.239]> Oh, and he insists it's rare, and worth every penny! I told him he had the decimal point too far to the right :) I pointed him to an ORIGINAL Infocom Zork I for the M1/M3, in the original box, that sold for $45 on fleaBay (mentioned on the CoCo3.com forums). Of course, he brushed it aside, and insists "Personal Software" is the valuable one. :O Tony -----Original Message----- From: Bill cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sent 4/8/2009 10:13:59 PM To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] REALLY? I wish I knew what drugs he was on. They gotta be GOOD if he believes he'll get that for a Model III game. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ivey Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:55 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] REALLY? Proof that people still take hallucinogenic drugs! -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From smostrom7 at comcast.net Wed Apr 8 23:26:11 2009 From: smostrom7 at comcast.net (Steve Ostrom) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:26:11 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats In-Reply-To: <460789309.385271239227188844.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> References: <460789309.385271239227188844.JavaMail.root@cl04-host03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: I have a few of Mark's "over 100 units". I have a few SyQuest EZ 135 drives connected and love them. No data loss in many years. Only an occasional cartridge is bad from the start, and they get tossed. -- Steve -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Marlette" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats > > We sold over 100 units of the TC^3 SCSI interface. > > Jaz, Zip, SyQuest so they are out there. > > Mark > Cloud-9 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "richec" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 4:31:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Coco] OT... 90's storage formats > > Frantically waving my hands... I do 8-). they make great data backup > devices. > I have three attached to my peecee. > > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 00:03:22 Sean wrote: >> Heh, changing the subject of this to OT... >> The only time I dealt with the SyQuest was with a parallel version. I >> thought I was going to have to smash it out of anger it was soooooo >> slooooow.... >> >> Guess I never tried the SCSI version. >> >> Last year I threw out a whole box of the 1G version of the Syquest >> disks, as well as many Jaz disks and drives. >> I guess I could have put them on ebay, but I was in charge of moving >> my office to another building, there was so much old hardware that I >> had no time to worry about the nostalgia factor. >> >> Truthfully, I really didn't think anyone would be using a Jaz or >> Syquest drive for any reason. >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Allen Huffman >> wrote: >> > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Sean wrote: >> >> Oh, I got a ZIP drive in early '95 for my first PC. Hell of a time >> >> finding them in stock back then, they sold out fast. At the time I >> >> wished there was a SCSI interface to use it with my CoCo! >> > >> > I, too, remember quite a wait to get a ZIP drive early on. I had a SCSI >> > model, but it could not be used on the CoCo since at the time the CoCo >> > SCSI interfaces did not provide hardware parity. Instead, I used it on >> > my >> > MM/1. >> > >> > In speaking with some Atari ST vendors on GEnie, they too had faced >> > similar problems and one guy gave me the specs for the one chip they >> > used >> > to add hardware parity to their Atari interface. I do not know if other >> > CoCo interfaces came out that supported the parity (CLoud-9s?) but it >> > was >> > a drag not being able to use these on my CoCo. >> > >> > Instead, I chose SyQuest EZ135 -- faster and more storage and similar >> > prices. Alas, SyQuest lost the format war. >> > >> > -- A >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Coco mailing list >> > Coco at maltedmedia.com >> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From wdg3rd at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 00:01:58 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 04:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report In-Reply-To: <2018489905.1954701239249336762.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1496704198.1955361239249718851.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> ----- "Frank Swygert" wrote: > From: "Frank Swygert" > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 8:40:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Coco] CoCoFest Report > > Hmmm.... yeah, you were out of high school, but could have went back > and no one would have questioned you! I/'m not as old as a lot of the > guys here, but at 47 I'm just a bit older than you. Maybe I'm just > jealous... You're old enough to appreciate the old phrase "youth's > wasted on the young" though! Good to "see" a few new younger guys > (well, one or two in their 20s, more in their 30s) occasionally too. > > Maybe it was just the three of us then -- at least in my car. Long > time ago! Maybe I'm thinking about others that went with us to the > Hard Rock in another car. To be honest I really just remember that > LONG trip back to the hotel, don't recall much about the restaurant! > Oh, and I wouldn't deprive anyone of seeing what "fun" a fest could > be!! > > 30th Anniversary sounds good. But will have to see. My parents want > the wife and I to take a trip to Germany with them in the spring of > 2010. Maybe moving the fest to the fall is an omen though? Late summer might be better. As I recall, the Color Computer (along with the TRS-80 Model 3 and the Pocket Computer PC-1) was announced on or around July 31, 1980. All were in the stores when I joined the Shack November 2nd that year. Doing things the actual anniversary might drum up more attention. And I still want to get to one, and next year I might not be so strapped. And I'll have longevity for a second week of vacation (my one week at this point is spoken for every year, and it takes a while to drive from Jersey to Illinois and back, since I will not submit to the Homeland Security A$$h0l3s and fly). It'd be good to hit a gathering of Color Computer fans. The last I recall attending was a Rainbowfest at Long Beach CA in the mid 80s. (After that, I was too deep into the Xenix stuff and then into the AT&T Unix PC and then other Unix stuph). I'm not sure La Esposa will understand. Her classic computer friend is the TI99/4A (she credits a cassette-based algebra program with getting her through that requirement in nursing school). But I've accompanied her to some pretty weird conventions based on her tastes (I suspect somebody around here aside from myself knows what Slash fiction is, you can Google the phrase, but read the Wikipedia entry first, you might not want to read the actual crap, it's definitely not to my taste, but she's been reading and sometimes co-writing it for decades) so for a change she can put up with something I like. If we can afford to get there -- I burned out on tech support and system administration, I'm presently a low-paid clerk (but I don't get nearly as many hostile calls as I used to and that's easier on my liver, which was threatening to go elsewhere for attention). Computers are mostly a hobby again, which is how it's supposed to be. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net From wdg3rd at comcast.net Thu Apr 9 00:26:01 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 04:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Map In-Reply-To: <1488231571.1957051239250875428.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1252188490.1957491239251161682.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I'm sorry to say, I can't find any way to navigate a frappr map anymore, let alone make it useful. Has the system gone IE specific or something? (Like invisible unlabeled buttons). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Allen Huffman" wrote: > From: "Allen Huffman" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 12:18:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Coco] CoCo Map > > Www.frappr.com/radioshackcolorcomputer From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 9 00:34:54 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:34:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Map In-Reply-To: <1252188490.1957491239251161682.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1252188490.1957491239251161682.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200904090034.54720.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 09 April 2009, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >I'm sorry to say, I can't find any way to navigate a frappr map anymore, let > alone make it useful. Has the system gone IE specific or something? (Like > invisible unlabeled buttons). We've been discussing that on the emc list, and someone who knows about it broke it while trying to update the maps. He didn't talk like it was going to be an easy restore, if ever. Old machinery among other things. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Dishonor will not trouble me, once I am dead. -- Euripides From badfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 00:39:09 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:39:09 -0500 Subject: [Coco] REALLY? In-Reply-To: <200904082317388.SM02200@208.76.35.239> References: <200904082317388.SM02200@208.76.35.239> Message-ID: <9efa17da0904082139i7e2e0ecck92f1d12bab99ba3a@mail.gmail.com> Wow. I guess that means my Hitchhiker's guide with all the extra stuff intact (piece of fluff, and miniature intergalactic space fleet) must be worth at least 5 grand! WOO! On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:17 PM, tonym wrote: > Oh, and he insists it's rare, and worth every penny! I told him he had the decimal point too far to the right :) > > I pointed him to an ORIGINAL Infocom Zork I for the M1/M3, in the original box, that sold for $45 on fleaBay (mentioned on the CoCo3.com forums). > Of course, he brushed it aside, and insists "Personal Software" is the valuable one. > > :O > > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill cwgordon at carolina.rr.com > Sent 4/8/2009 10:13:59 PM > To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] REALLY? > > I wish I knew what drugs he was on. They gotta be GOOD if he believes he'll > get that for a Model III game. > > ?-----Original Message----- > ?From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > ?bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ivey > ?Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:55 PM > ?To: coco at maltedmedia.com > ?Subject: [Coco] REALLY? > > ?Proof that people still take hallucinogenic drugs! > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 9 00:45:58 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:45:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Someone make me stop: Java + EDTASM + ... Message-ID: <24D107CA-457A-40AD-B921-6ABB5C2EFA63@pobox.com> I am playing at... http://members.cox.net/javacoco ...and after having a major flashback to my first year with the CoCo, loading games from tape (some real nice ones!), I found EDTASM... And started writing assembly... Ack! I can still do some of it. I'm stunned. -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From coder32768 at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 00:56:34 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net> References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: I had found a heat sink in a box - it's something I pulled out of an old switching power supply, I think, maybe 3.5 inches square aluminum with fins. I have it vertically mounted, seems to be adequate, but barely. Incidentally, while putting the thing vertical, I applied a bit too much torque and crunched the D880. I went to Jameco (with the mobo) and picked up these at their will call counter, with a little help from them figuring out what to use < http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=33048& > I'm running it off a 200W AT style power supply. It's getting fairly toasty but it's been running for about an hour and nothing's caught on fire yet :-) You can hold on to it for about three seconds before you go "wow! that's hot!" and let go. I'm not particularly good with electronics. What would be a better replacement that might run cooler? On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Robert Gault wrote: > N8WQ wrote: > >> Well I have my new 40 pin pcb connector soldered on the motherboard at a >> 90 degree angle and it is working great in saving me some space in my mini >> tower case. My next project is to put the stupid voltage regulator heat sink >> in the vertical mode. Right now it is in the horizontal "space hog" mode. :) >> >> Has anybody on the list ever swapped out the heat sink with another >> version? >> >> Alan Jones >> >> > Not me, but I did add a fan to a Coco3 so that there was significant air > flow through the case. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Apr 9 02:05:01 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 00:05:01 -0600 Subject: [Coco] SSP with NitrOS9 In-Reply-To: <786CD619-A295-41CD-9C75-C175922F53AD@tee-boy.com> References: <49DC070B.3080308@gmail.com> <20090408022843.GD28202@virgo.sdc.org> <20090408192440.GA11107@virgo.sdc.org> <786CD619-A295-41CD-9C75-C175922F53AD@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <20090409060501.GA22783@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 03:10:14PM -0500, Boisy Pitre wrote: > Truth be told, Willard, it's a great idea, but I cannot take credit > for it. That's what I like about you, Boisy. Not only are you an honest programmer, you're a scrupulous one. > > Keydrv, and snddrv were busted out of CC3IO (now VTIO) by the Level 2 > Upgrade bunch. OK, I didn't know that. Splitting up CC3IO was definetely a good call. Just looking at all the different joydrv's says that. There's only, what, five of them? Same for Clock2. >I agree that having a snddrv_ssp and sndrv_orch90 > would be cool. I thought you might. :-) > Regarding SuperBoard, cannot say too much :) Maybe by the time they're ready, I'll be able to afford one. :-) Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 9 03:57:27 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:57:27 +1000 Subject: [Coco] REALLY? In-Reply-To: <9efa17da0904082139i7e2e0ecck92f1d12bab99ba3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904082317388.SM02200@208.76.35.239> <9efa17da0904082139i7e2e0ecck92f1d12bab99ba3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DDAA67.10204@iinet.net.au> Sean wrote: > I guess that means my Hitchhiker's guide with all the extra stuff > intact (piece of fluff, and miniature intergalactic space fleet) must > be worth at least 5 grand! WOO! So's mine then! I'll race you to eBay... ;) Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 9 05:09:53 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:09:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <49DDBB61.7060303@worldnet.att.net> Rick Taylor wrote: > I had found a heat sink in a box - it's something I pulled out of an old > switching power supply, I think, maybe 3.5 inches square aluminum with fins. > I have it vertically mounted, seems to be adequate, but barely. > Incidentally, while putting the thing vertical, I applied a bit too much > torque and crunched the D880. I went to Jameco (with the mobo) and picked up > these at their will call counter, with a little help from them figuring out > what to use > > < > http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=33048& > > I'm running it off a 200W AT style power supply. It's getting fairly toasty > but it's been running for about an hour and nothing's caught on fire yet > :-) > > You can hold on to it for about three seconds before you go "wow! that's > hot!" and let go. I'm not particularly good with electronics. What would be > a better replacement that might run cooler? > Picking an appropriate heat sink is not a trivial problem. I'd say if you can't hold onto the fins for more than three seconds, you are not dissipating heat fast enough. Here is a url that explains in technical terms what is involved in picking heat sinks. http://sound.westhost.com/heatsinks.htm In short, the bigger the block and the more fins, the better the heat sink. However, if the transistor is dissipating to much power, a passive heat sink may not be feasible and a fan will be required. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 9 05:15:06 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:15:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] binary file format (CLOADM/LOADM) In-Reply-To: <006b01c9b8b8$fa90d9e0$0701a8c0@master> References: <47CBDE8A-0E4D-4E78-B5D2-4C4A67F25B88@pobox.com> <49DD5279.9010304@worldnet.att.net> <006b01c9b8b8$fa90d9e0$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <49DDBC9A.5030502@worldnet.att.net> Bob Devries wrote: > When EdtASM+ creates a binary file during assembly, it makes the block > size 128 ($80) bytes each. EdtASM seems not to be able to create a > contiguous file. So for every 128 byte block, there's 5 bytes overhead. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia You need a switch with EDTASM+ to get single record files. A filename /SR The /SR will produce a single record file. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 9 09:14:13 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:14:13 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <200904090914.13887.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 09 April 2009, Rick Taylor wrote: >I had found a heat sink in a box - it's something I pulled out of an old >switching power supply, I think, maybe 3.5 inches square aluminum with fins. >I have it vertically mounted, seems to be adequate, but barely. >Incidentally, while putting the thing vertical, I applied a bit too much >torque and crunched the D880. I went to Jameco (with the mobo) and picked up >these at their will call counter, with a little help from them figuring out >what to use > >< >http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&sto >reId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=33048& > > >I'm running it off a 200W AT style power supply. It's getting fairly toasty >but it's been running for about an hour and nothing's caught on fire yet > >:-) > >You can hold on to it for about three seconds before you go "wow! that's >hot!" and let go. I'm not particularly good with electronics. What would be >a better replacement that might run cooler? > If you have the schematics, its not too hard to just toss the heat sink & transistor, and hook the AT supply up to it directly. I did that about 15 years ago for both the mpi and the coco3. Without that coffee warmer, and with a disto 2 meg ram kit + a 63C09 in the cpu socket, the half a watt the gime warms up is about the sum total of the heat generated in mine. With a furniture blanket on top of it hiding a darkroom thermometer laying on the grill above the memory, it will read 2F above the room after 24H of uptime. I used one of those auto part stores 4 wire connectors that I just replaced yesterday because it was getting noisy. Now I have a nice clean screen again. I also have an error 246 when I try to use the /p port since then, so I may need to recheck my work. The wires in the kit I used are heavier than the old one had, and I was forced to leave off the ssnapon rf chock I'd used originally and re-arrange the connections & maybe didn't get the + & 12 volts connected correctly again. The rest of the coco3 wouldn't care. >On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Robert Gault > >wrote: >> N8WQ wrote: >>> Well I have my new 40 pin pcb connector soldered on the motherboard at a >>> 90 degree angle and it is working great in saving me some space in my >>> mini tower case. My next project is to put the stupid voltage regulator >>> heat sink in the vertical mode. Right now it is in the horizontal "space >>> hog" mode. :) >>> >>> Has anybody on the list ever swapped out the heat sink with another >>> version? >>> >>> Alan Jones >> >> Not me, but I did add a fan to a Coco3 so that there was significant air >> flow through the case. >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yow! Are we laid back yet? From twospruces at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 09:34:35 2009 From: twospruces at gmail.com (Stephen Adolph) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:34:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: <200904090914.13887.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net> <200904090914.13887.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: I'm sure everyone knows this, but the +5 supply in the COCO3 looks to be a linear regulator..no wonder it is so hot. I'm thinking about a 512k upgrade, but this power issue is pushing me towards my "sram version" as opposed to a "dram version". Also, a good argument for the 63C09 (or B). I wonder if there is a nice little switchmode supply, like a PC VRM, that could be dropped in there. I don't know of any "common" VRMs for 5V (something I could find in my scrap electronics pile for example). Anyone know of a nice tidy solution, that can work as an upgrade to the standard COCO3? ..Steve On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 09 April 2009, Rick Taylor wrote: >>I had found a heat sink in a box - it's something I pulled out of an old >>switching power supply, I think, maybe 3.5 inches square aluminum with fins. >>I have it vertically mounted, seems to be adequate, but barely. >>Incidentally, while putting the thing vertical, I applied a bit too much >>torque and crunched the D880. I went to Jameco (with the mobo) and picked up >>these at their will call counter, with a little help from them figuring out >>what to use >> >>< >>http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&sto >>reId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=33048& >> >> >>I'm running it off a 200W AT style power supply. It's getting fairly toasty >>but it's been running for about an hour and nothing's caught on fire yet >> >>:-) >> >>You can hold on to it for about three seconds before you go "wow! that's >>hot!" and let go. I'm not particularly good with electronics. What would be >>a better replacement that might run cooler? >> > > If you have the schematics, its not too hard to just toss the heat sink & > transistor, and hook the AT supply up to it directly. ?I did that about 15 > years ago for both the mpi and the coco3. ?Without that coffee warmer, and > with a disto 2 meg ram kit + a 63C09 in the cpu socket, the half a watt the > gime warms up is about the sum total of the heat generated in mine. ?With a > furniture blanket on top of it hiding a darkroom thermometer laying on the > grill above the memory, it will read 2F above the room after 24H of uptime. > > I used one of those auto part stores 4 wire connectors that I just replaced > yesterday because it was getting noisy. ?Now I have a nice clean screen again. > > I also have an error 246 when I try to use the /p port since then, so I may > need to recheck my work. ?The wires in the kit I used are heavier than the old > one had, and I was forced to leave off the ssnapon rf chock I'd used > originally and re-arrange the connections & maybe didn't get the + & 12 volts > connected correctly again. ?The rest of the coco3 wouldn't care. > > >>On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Robert Gault >> >>wrote: >>> N8WQ wrote: >>>> Well I have my new 40 pin pcb connector soldered on the motherboard at a >>>> 90 degree angle and it is working great in saving me some space in my >>>> mini tower case. My next project is to put the stupid voltage regulator >>>> heat sink in the vertical mode. Right now it is in the horizontal "space >>>> hog" mode. :) >>>> >>>> Has anybody on the list ever swapped out the heat sink with another >>>> version? >>>> >>>> Alan Jones >>> >>> Not me, but I did add a fan to a Coco3 so that there was significant air >>> flow through the case. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > ?soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Yow! ?Are we laid back yet? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Apr 9 10:19:35 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:19:35 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: <200904090914.13887.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net> <200904090914.13887.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49DE03F7.7080609@cox.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 09 April 2009, Rick Taylor wrote: > >> I had found a heat sink in a box - it's something I pulled out of an old >> switching power supply, I think, maybe 3.5 inches square aluminum with fins. >> I have it vertically mounted, seems to be adequate, but barely. >> Incidentally, while putting the thing vertical, I applied a bit too much >> torque and crunched the D880. I went to Jameco (with the mobo) and picked up >> these at their will call counter, with a little help from them figuring out >> what to use >> >> < >> http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&sto >> reId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=33048& >> >> >> I'm running it off a 200W AT style power supply. It's getting fairly toasty >> but it's been running for about an hour and nothing's caught on fire yet >> >> :-) >> >> You can hold on to it for about three seconds before you go "wow! that's >> hot!" and let go. I'm not particularly good with electronics. What would be >> a better replacement that might run cooler? >> >> > > If you have the schematics, its not too hard to just toss the heat sink & > transistor, and hook the AT supply up to it directly. I did that about 15 > years ago for both the mpi and the coco3. Without that coffee warmer, and > with a disto 2 meg ram kit + a 63C09 in the cpu socket, the half a watt the > gime warms up is about the sum total of the heat generated in mine. With a > furniture blanket on top of it hiding a darkroom thermometer laying on the > grill above the memory, it will read 2F above the room after 24H of uptime. > > I used one of those auto part stores 4 wire connectors that I just replaced > yesterday because it was getting noisy. Now I have a nice clean screen again. > > I also have an error 246 when I try to use the /p port since then, so I may > need to recheck my work. The wires in the kit I used are heavier than the old > one had, and I was forced to leave off the ssnapon rf chock I'd used > originally and re-arrange the connections & maybe didn't get the + & 12 volts > connected correctly again. The rest of the coco3 wouldn't care. > > > >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Robert Gault >> >> wrote: >> >>> N8WQ wrote: >>> >>>> Well I have my new 40 pin pcb connector soldered on the motherboard at a >>>> 90 degree angle and it is working great in saving me some space in my >>>> mini tower case. My next project is to put the stupid voltage regulator >>>> heat sink in the vertical mode. Right now it is in the horizontal "space >>>> hog" mode. :) >>>> >>>> Has anybody on the list ever swapped out the heat sink with another >>>> version? >>>> >>>> Alan Jones >>>> >>> Not me, but I did add a fan to a Coco3 so that there was significant air >>> flow through the case. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> > > > Ditto to that, If the PC PS is connected properly, the regulator is no longer needed, and everything runs cool as coolaid! I did the same on my repack many years ago, and I run the coco 24hours/day 7days a week. Tim Fadden From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 9 10:51:55 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:51:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? Message-ID: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> Are artifact colors caused by the CRT or the composite/RF modulation? If I get an LCD TV or monitor with composite inputs, will it show artifact colors? Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman From os9dude at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:10:09 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:10:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> Message-ID: <5631e580904090810p2d7d7377p7b0372c09f4671fa@mail.gmail.com> Artifacts are inherent to baseband video, RF modulation only spices up the display with moir? patterns every once in a while. I have my CoCo (F Board) on a Sharp Aquous TV/Monitor fed over the RF output, artifacts do show and are clean, my nit pick is that overall the image of the LCD is rather dull and has a spot with a weird and very stable pixel shift, only noticeable if paid close attention to... since I noticed I just can't get over it... like that scene in Austin Powers with the Mole Agent. I keep the LCD on that only because of the space savings, but miss the brilliance of a true CRT TV as the one I had there before. That CoCo does not have a composite output mod, but as the CoCo 3 sits close to it I will give it a test run. The CoCo 3 is onto its own C= branded analog RGB monitor (a Magnavox built display). Will report what I get with that. -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Allen Huffman wrote: > Are artifact colors caused by the CRT or the composite/RF modulation? > > If I get an LCD TV or monitor with composite inputs, will it show artifact > colors? From keeper63 at cox.net Thu Apr 9 11:27:26 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:27:26 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Map, and CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DE13DE.9080402@cox.net> All, I am replying to these two items, but I don't have the originals inline due to that lovely "--" bug that Thunderbird has (this is actually documented - but has yet to be fixed for the past several years for some reason). Anyhow... Regarding the CoCo Map: I just added myself, and it all seemed to work fine in FireFox 3 under Ubuntu (so I don't think there is an "IE Only" problem?)... Regarding the regulator (specifically, a small switch-mode PSU): You might try looking around at All Electronics: http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/480/Power-Supplies/1.html and/or Electronic Goldmine: http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/products.asp?dept=1109 If you haven't already - EG seems a little sparse on there PSU offerings, so AE might be a better choice. I don't know off-hand what the CoCo's needs are for a PSU (can someone chime in?). I would imagine that +/- 12VDC and +/- 5VDC at some amperage for both (what, I don't know). Both of these electronics places are good, but there are others. If I run across something elsewhere I will post it... -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 9 11:30:50 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:30:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> Allen Huffman wrote: > Are artifact colors caused by the CRT or the composite/RF modulation? > > If I get an LCD TV or monitor with composite inputs, will it show > artifact colors? > > Sent from my iPhone > Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman > Artifacts are not cause by the CRT but rather the NTSC format. The rapidly changing pixels appear to the composite demodulators as color information as the rate of change has the same frequency as the color burst. Difference in phase with the color burst gives the color. So if the LCD TV has a composite input which conforms to NTSC standards, you ought to see artifact effects. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 9 13:34:02 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Map, and CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: <49DE13DE.9080402@cox.net> References: <49DE13DE.9080402@cox.net> Message-ID: <200904091334.02283.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 09 April 2009, Andrew wrote: >All, > >I am replying to these two items, but I don't have the originals inline >due to that lovely "--" bug that Thunderbird has (this is actually >documented - but has yet to be fixed for the past several years for some >reason). > >Anyhow... > >Regarding the CoCo Map: I just added myself, and it all seemed to work >fine in FireFox 3 under Ubuntu (so I don't think there is an "IE Only" >problem?)... > >Regarding the regulator (specifically, a small switch-mode PSU): > >You might try looking around at All Electronics: > >http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/480/Power-Supplies/1.htm >l > >and/or Electronic Goldmine: > >http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/products.asp?dept=1109 > >If you haven't already - EG seems a little sparse on there PSU >offerings, so AE might be a better choice. I don't know off-hand what >the CoCo's needs are for a PSU (can someone chime in?). I would imagine >that +/- 12VDC and +/- 5VDC at some amperage for both (what, I don't know). > >Both of these electronics places are good, but there are others. If I >run across something elsewhere I will post it... > >-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona One slim possibility, I haven't checked to see if it would fit, is to use the psu that was originally made for the TI99-4A, I think it has all 3 needed outputs, and with a little plastic surgery, it might fit to the left of the motherboard in the coco case. The surplus market was flooded with those quite a few years back. I'm sure it has plenty of juice to do the job too. However, in my case as I have an MPI, it was easier to hook up the AT supply to both. Heck, the TI99/4A board has probably enough power to run everything. I have a spare psu someplace, but I also have a TI99/4A too, so I hesitated to turn cannibal. As I'm also running about 5 (3 floppies, 1 hard, one cdrom) drives from that AT supply, the TI unit might let the smoke out with that heavy a load. As it is, the coco and the mpi serve to stabilize the AT supply well. >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The solution of this problem is trivial and is left as an exercise for the reader. From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 14:01:08 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:01:08 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> Message-ID: <5B12F843-CEF5-4851-A601-FFDB37F77F97@gmail.com> On Apr 9, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Allen Huffman wrote: > Are artifact colors caused by the CRT or the composite/RF modulation? > > If I get an LCD TV or monitor with composite inputs, will it show > artifact colors? In theory, an LCD TV should display artifacts via its composite or RF inputs. However, I tried hooking my CoCo 3 up to a 15" Sharp Aquos TV, and it displayed the high-res screens in black and white (plus had some annoying line shift artifacts, perhaps due to the built-in deinterlacer). However, my Dell 2007WFP computer monitor also has composite inputs, and it seems to display the artifact colors fine. So, my opinion is it will likely work, but you may want to buy a monitor/TV from a place that allows returns just in case. -- JP From exwn8jef at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 14:04:59 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:04:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic Message-ID: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the CoCo 3? My copy is blurry and not clear. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 14:13:25 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> N8WQ wrote: > Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the CoCo 3? > My copy is blurry and not clear. > > Alan Jones > There is a readable one there : ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ Get pages 103 to 128. Regards, Christian From jdaggett at gate.net Thu Apr 9 14:23:20 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:23:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com>, <200904090914.13887.gene.heskett@verizon.net>, Message-ID: <49DE04D8.30441.127F820@jdaggett.gate.net> On 9 Apr 2009 at 9:34, Stephen Adolph wrote: > I'm sure everyone knows this, but the +5 supply in the COCO3 looks to > be a linear regulator..no wonder it is so hot. > > I'm thinking about a 512k upgrade, but this power issue is pushing me > towards my "sram version" as opposed to a "dram version". > > Also, a good argument for the 63C09 (or B). > Not really. The average current differences between the two is marginal compared to the overall current demand of the system. > I wonder if there is a nice little switchmode supply, like a PC VRM, > that could be dropped in there. I don't know of any "common" VRMs for > 5V (something I could find in my scrap electronics pile for example). > > Anyone know of a nice tidy solution, that can work as an upgrade to > the standard COCO3? > > ..Steve > Be careful. The Coco3 also supplies voltage to an 8 volt regulator for the video modulator. Even if you replace the transformer with an external switcher it should be about 12VDC. That will increase the heat dissapation of the 5 volt regulator pass transistor that is wired to the SALT chip. You will also have to remove an electrolytic cap and a diode to the 7808 regulator for the video modulator. C62 will have to be replaced with a short and diode D13 removed. These in combination with D14 form a voltage doubler. You could also short D14 but it can remain inline to act as a reverse polarity protection. james From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 15:18:24 2009 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:18:24 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Artifacting on LCD? Message-ID: Color artifacting appeared just fine on my old 15" LCD TV/Monitor from a composite input. However, it will probably depend on the display and whether it has any filtering. From coder32768 at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 16:29:00 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: <49DDBB61.7060303@worldnet.att.net> References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net> <49DDBB61.7060303@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: I think this may be my solution - I have plenty of spare fans, and I want to keep the board as unmodified as possible. I'll just attach one to the heat sink. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Robert Gault wrote: > Rick Taylor wrote: > >> I had found a heat sink in a box - it's something I pulled out of an old >> switching power supply, I think, maybe 3.5 inches square aluminum with >> fins. >> I have it vertically mounted, seems to be adequate, but barely. >> Incidentally, while putting the thing vertical, I applied a bit too much >> torque and crunched the D880. I went to Jameco (with the mobo) and picked >> up >> these at their will call counter, with a little help from them figuring >> out >> what to use >> >> < >> >> http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=33048& >> >> I'm running it off a 200W AT style power supply. It's getting fairly >> toasty >> but it's been running for about an hour and nothing's caught on fire yet >> :-) >> >> You can hold on to it for about three seconds before you go "wow! that's >> hot!" and let go. I'm not particularly good with electronics. What would >> be >> a better replacement that might run cooler? >> >> > Picking an appropriate heat sink is not a trivial problem. I'd say if you > can't hold onto the fins for more than three seconds, you are not > dissipating heat fast enough. > > Here is a url that explains in technical terms what is involved in picking > heat sinks. > http://sound.westhost.com/heatsinks.htm > > In short, the bigger the block and the more fins, the better the heat sink. > However, if the transistor is dissipating to much power, a passive heat sink > may not be feasible and a fan will be required. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From nickma at optusnet.com.au Thu Apr 9 17:39:57 2009 From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:39:57 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? Message-ID: <49DE6B2D.3060900@optusnet.com.au> No artifacting on LCD...in the same sence that artifacting on a composite or RF monitor produces. There is some image distortion if you are suppling an LCD of a certain native resolution (eg, 1024x768) but are delivering a different resolution to it (eg. 640x240 or scan doubled (640x480). The LCD circuitry normally scales the lower resolution image to fit the LCD native resolution and this causes a distortion. If it didn't scale up, the image would appear as a small box on the screen surrounded by large black borders to fill the unused areas. I personally hate using an LCD on a CoCo due to the "degraded" image sharpness from the upscaling effect. I prefer to get a 15Khz RGB monitor (such as the Commodore Amiga 1084 series, Magnavox equivalent or just a Tandy CM8). With a CoCo connected. you can't see scanlines on an LCD when the low res image is scandoubled but I find this gives pixels a rather blocky appearance compared to the smoothed look I get from a CRT. Nick From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Apr 9 17:44:11 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:44:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: References: <49D7905F.7060301@gmail.com> <49D7F5EF.3040407@worldnet.att.net><200904090914.13887.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1EF@fenestra.lamunet.local> While both of those options may reduce power consumption to some degree, my real world experience suggests the best way to deal with the CoCo 3 heat problem is to stick a 40mm fan near the PSU area. I've had a 512k/6809 CoCo running that way for years and years without issue. (Except maybe a little noise.) If you're going to mess around with the PSU, I'd just (and have) take the Gene approach and just rip out the PSU entirely and run the thing off an external unit. I recycled an external switcher from an old dead Telebit router and used it for a CoCo 3/Disto 2MB repack. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Adolph Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:35 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink I'm sure everyone knows this, but the +5 supply in the COCO3 looks to be a linear regulator..no wonder it is so hot. I'm thinking about a 512k upgrade, but this power issue is pushing me towards my "sram version" as opposed to a "dram version". Also, a good argument for the 63C09 (or B). I wonder if there is a nice little switchmode supply, like a PC VRM, that could be dropped in there. I don't know of any "common" VRMs for 5V (something I could find in my scrap electronics pile for example). Anyone know of a nice tidy solution, that can work as an upgrade to the standard COCO3? ..Steve On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 09 April 2009, Rick Taylor wrote: >>I had found a heat sink in a box - it's something I pulled out of an old >>switching power supply, I think, maybe 3.5 inches square aluminum with fins. >>I have it vertically mounted, seems to be adequate, but barely. >>Incidentally, while putting the thing vertical, I applied a bit too much >>torque and crunched the D880. I went to Jameco (with the mobo) and picked up >>these at their will call counter, with a little help from them figuring out >>what to use >> >>< >>http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&sto >>reId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=33048& >> >> >>I'm running it off a 200W AT style power supply. It's getting fairly toasty >>but it's been running for about an hour and nothing's caught on fire yet >> >>:-) >> >>You can hold on to it for about three seconds before you go "wow! that's >>hot!" and let go. I'm not particularly good with electronics. What would be >>a better replacement that might run cooler? >> > > If you have the schematics, its not too hard to just toss the heat sink & > transistor, and hook the AT supply up to it directly. ?I did that about 15 > years ago for both the mpi and the coco3. ?Without that coffee warmer, and > with a disto 2 meg ram kit + a 63C09 in the cpu socket, the half a watt the > gime warms up is about the sum total of the heat generated in mine. ?With a > furniture blanket on top of it hiding a darkroom thermometer laying on the > grill above the memory, it will read 2F above the room after 24H of uptime. > > I used one of those auto part stores 4 wire connectors that I just replaced > yesterday because it was getting noisy. ?Now I have a nice clean screen again. > > I also have an error 246 when I try to use the /p port since then, so I may > need to recheck my work. ?The wires in the kit I used are heavier than the old > one had, and I was forced to leave off the ssnapon rf chock I'd used > originally and re-arrange the connections & maybe didn't get the + & 12 volts > connected correctly again. ?The rest of the coco3 wouldn't care. > > >>On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Robert Gault >> >>wrote: >>> N8WQ wrote: >>>> Well I have my new 40 pin pcb connector soldered on the motherboard at a >>>> 90 degree angle and it is working great in saving me some space in my >>>> mini tower case. My next project is to put the stupid voltage regulator >>>> heat sink in the vertical mode. Right now it is in the horizontal "space >>>> hog" mode. :) >>>> >>>> Has anybody on the list ever swapped out the heat sink with another >>>> version? >>>> >>>> Alan Jones >>> >>> Not me, but I did add a fan to a Coco3 so that there was significant air >>> flow through the case. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > ?soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Yow! ?Are we laid back yet? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nickma at optusnet.com.au Thu Apr 9 17:47:15 2009 From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:47:15 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? Message-ID: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> Clarification from my last post.... I should have mentioned that I was referring to a standard PC LCD monitor using the VGA inputs. The "TV compatible" LCD's with composite input should produce artifacting. If you are using a CoCo3, why would you use anything but the RGB outputs? Has anyone compare a composite input LCD, VGA input LCD (using a scandoubler) and a CRT monitor running RGB (Amiga 1084 preferably) running off a CoCo3? I suspect they will find that the CRT gives the best overall picture. Anyone got first hand answers? Nick From Torsten at Dittel.info Thu Apr 9 17:49:07 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:49:07 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DE6B2D.3060900@optusnet.com.au> References: <49DE6B2D.3060900@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Nick Marentes schrieb: > No artifacting on LCD...in the same sence that artifacting on a > composite or RF monitor produces. Downunder => PAL => No Artifacting (at least not red & blue as on N(ever)T(he)S(ame)C(olor) systems...) From Torsten at Dittel.info Thu Apr 9 17:53:55 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:53:55 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> References: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Nick Marentes schrieb: > Has anyone compare a composite input LCD, VGA input LCD (using a > scandoubler) and a CRT monitor running RGB (Amiga 1084 preferably) > running off a CoCo3? > > I suspect they will find that the CRT gives the best overall picture. > Anyone got first hand answers? I tried a PAL CoCo3 with RGB on both a German 1084S and a NEC MultiSync 2D (the latter goes down to 15kHz) as well as with Composite on th 1084S (my Aussie PAL CoCos have a daughter board to mix that Composite from RGB, the GIME's Composite out pin is not connected): RGB plus 1084S looks best. No idea about LCDs. From navydave1 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 9 18:16:31 2009 From: navydave1 at hotmail.com (David Grimmel) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 71, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've tried hooking my coco3 to an LCD 17" PC monitor (ViewEra Brand) that also had composite inputs and like you (Nick), didnt care for the upscaling quality. Looks like crap in my opinion, because the native was 1280x1024 and it had to upscale from 640. The composite input looked even worse than the RBG (I'm also using Roy J's converter box) when trying to play games with artifacting. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Roy's box. So I went back to an old used Packard Bell 15" SVGA monitor and cheap Durabrand 13" Color tv for artifacting. It takes up more room but I get the best of both worlds and hands down, the 15" CRT looks worlds better than when I tried to hook it up to a 17" LCD. You can probably find a cheap SVGA monitor at goodwill for $5-15 bucks. Probably a cheap 13" color tv will be there too. I bet a bunch of un-informed people are ditching perfectly good tv's with tuners thinking they cant use them anymore because of the digital conversion. Dave G > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:47:15 +1000 > From: Nick Marentes > Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? > To: CoCoList > Message-ID: <49DE6CE3.4060204 at optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Clarification from my last post.... > > I should have mentioned that I was referring to a standard PC LCD > monitor using the VGA inputs. > > The "TV compatible" LCD's with composite input should produce artifacting. > > If you are using a CoCo3, why would you use anything but the RGB outputs? > > Has anyone compare a composite input LCD, VGA input LCD (using a > scandoubler) and a CRT monitor running RGB (Amiga 1084 preferably) > running off a CoCo3? > > I suspect they will find that the CRT gives the best overall picture. > Anyone got first hand answers? > > Nick From navydave1 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 9 18:23:15 2009 From: navydave1 at hotmail.com (David Grimmel) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:23:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops, forgot to change the Subject line in m last post. Its right now :-) Dave G From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 9 18:44:33 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> References: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Nick Marentes wrote: > If you are using a CoCo3, why would you use anything but the RGB > outputs? So I could play the thousands of CoCo 1/2 games in color instead of as black and white striped checkerboards. -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 9 18:45:26 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:45:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: References: <49DE6B2D.3060900@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <9A45D3E8-1F7B-4602-9752-8A573452FED7@pobox.com> On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Torsten Dittel wrote: >> No artifacting on LCD...in the same sence that artifacting on a >> composite or RF monitor produces. > > Downunder => PAL => No Artifacting (at least not red & blue as on > N(ever)T(he)S(ame)C(olor) systems...) There is a guy on YouTube who has posted a ton of reviews -- he does not have an American accent, and he has mentioned the issue with PAL making the games play in B&W. So none of the PAL games could make use of the artifact colors??? -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 19:05:59 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:05:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: References: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <49DE7F57.60204@gmail.com> Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Nick Marentes wrote: >> If you are using a CoCo3, why would you use anything but the RGB >> outputs? > > So I could play the thousands of CoCo 1/2 games in color instead of as > black and white striped checkerboards. I seem to remember there was a way to patch most games to make them run in 128x192, 4 colours instead of 256x192, 2 colours. The CoCo 3 palette was then manipulated to make those 4 colours black, white, red and blue, in order to mimic the artifacted mode, or, as I did because I could only afford a monochrome monitor, 4 levels of gray. Does anyone remember how it was done? I still only use a monochrome monitor! Christian From snhirsch at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 20:14:20 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> References: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Nick Marentes wrote: > Has anyone compare a composite input LCD, VGA input LCD (using a scandoubler) > and a CRT monitor running RGB (Amiga 1084 preferably) running off a CoCo3? I have. I own several old 15Khz. fixed and 15Khz. capable multisync monitors. Personally, I prefer the picture I get on a 17" LCD through an RGB-->VGA scandoubler. Text is crystal clear, graphics I admittedly do not care much about. Certain background colors show slight banding, but with a bit of contrast and brightness adjustment it's barely noticable. > I suspect they will find that the CRT gives the best overall picture. > Anyone got first hand answers? You'll have as many opinions as readers on this one, I'm afraid. :-) The net of it is: Use whatever looks best to you. Steve -- From operator at coco3.com Thu Apr 9 20:17:43 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:17:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9/DW3 clock2 module Message-ID: <20090410001814.52E9520A14@qs281.pair.com> Boisy, I have a question about the clock2 module. Can I just remove it from os9boot without causing problems? Does 'clock' assume 'clock2' is available? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 8 21:11:01 2009 From: Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com (LinuxRules) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:11:01 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> Robert Gault wrote: > Allen Huffman wrote: >> Are artifact colors caused by the CRT or the composite/RF modulation? >> >> If I get an LCD TV or monitor with composite inputs, will it show >> artifact colors? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman >> > > Artifacts are not cause by the CRT but rather the NTSC format. The > rapidly changing pixels appear to the composite demodulators as color > information as the rate of change has the same frequency as the color > burst. Difference in phase with the color burst gives the color. > > So if the LCD TV has a composite input which conforms to NTSC > standards, you ought to see artifact effects. What he said!!! That's it exactly. And as best I can remember with failing memory cells, the early 6847 design would power up in either of two states with the clock phase different. So the same data would produce a different artifact color depending on how it powered up. I don't recall if any of those ever went into production. (Several "patch" mask sets were made early on, before and during early production.....) It was kind of strange to watch, though...... cheers, john dumas (Motorola circuit designer engr for 6847...retired) JohnDumas at austin.rr.com From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 9 21:19:18 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:19:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, LinuxRules wrote: > I don't recall if any of those ever went into production. (Several > "patch" mask sets were made > early on, before and during early production.....) It was kind of > strange to watch, though...... Wow, there was a fixed VDG? That's very cool, John! Yeah, we got used to hitting reset over and over until a screen went red or blue, per game instructions at the start ;-) -- Allen From Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 8 21:37:19 2009 From: Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com (LinuxRules) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:37:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <49DD514F.7010906@austin.rr.com> Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, LinuxRules wrote: >> I don't recall if any of those ever went into production. (Several >> "patch" mask sets were made >> early on, before and during early production.....) It was kind of >> strange to watch, though...... > > Wow, there was a fixed VDG? That's very cool, John! Yeah, we got used > to hitting reset over and over until a screen went red or blue, per > game instructions at the start ;-) > > -- Allen Fixes? Yeah. Don't remember if or when the "power up problem" was fixed. maybe never.....Hmmm. Maybe I should see if my old COCO 2 still works and check it out...... IIRC most of the early fixes were "critical path" related. The early design work was contracted out - unusual for MOT at the time. The team doing that work used Standard Cell approach to shorten the time of their contract (profit!). But, that caused horrible critical path problems; the design as delivered was not producible ny MOT(at a profit). So I and a truly talented draftsman, pushed and shoved the design quite a bit....... The detail are way too fuzzy after all this time, though.......... cheers, john dumas JohnDumas at austin.rr.com From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 9 22:10:36 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:10:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9/DW3 clock2 module In-Reply-To: <20090410001814.52E9520A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090410001814.52E9520A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49DEAA9C.40802@worldnet.att.net> Roger Taylor wrote: > Boisy, I have a question about the clock2 module. Can I just remove it > from os9boot without causing problems? Does 'clock' assume 'clock2' is > available? > > > > You must have some clock2 module in the OS9Boot file. The software version is best if no known hardware clock will be available. From RJRTTY at aol.com Thu Apr 9 22:12:21 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:12:21 EDT Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2009 9:11:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com writes: >I don't recall if any of those ever went into production. (Several >"patch" mask sets were made >early on, before and during early production.....) It was kind of >strange to watch, though...... >cheers, >john dumas >(Motorola circuit designer engr for 6847...retired) >JohnDumas at austin.rr.com Wow. A real life Motorola design engineer. We are honored. The original coco1 circuit was a masterpiece if I do say so myself. A REAL computer as opposed to Apple and Commodore with their strange video and drive configurations. Did you happen to work on the Sam or 6809 chips too? Roy **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From mechacoco at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 22:15:04 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:15:04 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DD514F.7010906@austin.rr.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> <49DD514F.7010906@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904091915s1617b80av7491685406f4cbd1@mail.gmail.com> On 4/8/09, LinuxRules wrote: > Fixes? Yeah. Don't remember if or when the "power up problem" was fixed. > maybe never.....Hmmm. Maybe I should see if my old COCO 2 still works > and check it out..... > Even the 6847T1 in the later model CoCo 2's can power up in either phase, so it seems no such fix ever made it into production. Such a fix would be problematic for programs that relied on the "wrong" phase for artifacting. Darren From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Apr 9 22:31:54 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:31:54 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DE7F57.60204@gmail.com> References: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> <49DE7F57.60204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB8@fenestra.lamunet.local> It's pretty simple to do. You just scan the program and figure out where it sets the VDG mode and change it from RG6 to CG6, insert some code somewhere to set the palette registers to the proper values, and bingo- artifact colors. Well, sort of. It still doesn't look as good this way because the composite video smearing smoothes out the edges. This method makes things kind of jaggy. I did this to Ms. Maze and a couple of other games at one time. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Christian Lesage > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:06 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? > > Allen Huffman wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Nick Marentes wrote: > >> If you are using a CoCo3, why would you use anything but the RGB > >> outputs? > > > > So I could play the thousands of CoCo 1/2 games in color instead of > as > > black and white striped checkerboards. > > I seem to remember there was a way to patch most games to make them run > in 128x192, 4 colours instead of 256x192, 2 colours. The CoCo 3 palette > was then manipulated to make those 4 colours black, white, red and > blue, > in order to mimic the artifacted mode, or, as I did because I could > only > afford a monochrome monitor, 4 levels of gray. Does anyone remember how > it was done? I still only use a monochrome monitor! > > Christian > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Apr 9 22:34:22 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:34:22 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com><49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB9@fenestra.lamunet.local> Well, yes, there is a fixed VDG. It's called a GIME. :) All 6847 models released have this "feature" where they power up with either a rising or falling clock edge. I have it on my "to do" list to rig up a little circuit that would let you invert the VDG clock on demand and see if that would let you flip the red/blue relationship on demand rather than pounding on the reset button and praying. And yes, such a thing is really trivial. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Allen Huffman > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:19 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? > > On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, LinuxRules wrote: > > I don't recall if any of those ever went into production. (Several > > "patch" mask sets were made > > early on, before and during early production.....) It was kind of > > strange to watch, though...... > > Wow, there was a fixed VDG? That's very cool, John! Yeah, we got used > to hitting reset over and over until a screen went red or blue, per > game instructions at the start ;-) > > -- Allen > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From flexser at fiu.edu Thu Apr 9 22:39:50 2009 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Very nice to have someone on the list who was involved in the design of the original CoCo's VDG! Perhaps, then, you can answer a question I'm a little curious about. Did the designers realize from the outset the value that the artifact colors would have for enhancing the graphics that the VDG was capable of? Or, was it more the case that it was seen as an unavoidable annoyance under NTSC that conceivably programmers might find uses for? I do recall that the original CoCo manual (and the VDG spec sheets?) made no reference to artifact colors. PMODE 4 was described as a 2-color mode and there was no support for artifact colors under BASIC. Perhaps that was done so the same manual could be used in countries using the PAL standard? I guess the value of artifact colors for graphics would have been fairly obvious if there were well-established micros prior to the CoCo where programmers made profitable use of them. Was that the case, anybody know? Art On 4/8/09, LinuxRules wrote: > Robert Gault wrote: > > > Allen Huffman wrote: > > > > > Are artifact colors caused by the CRT or the composite/RF modulation? > > > > > > If I get an LCD TV or monitor with composite inputs, will it show > artifact colors? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman > > > > > > > > > > Artifacts are not cause by the CRT but rather the NTSC format. The rapidly > changing pixels appear to the composite demodulators as color information as > the rate of change has the same frequency as the color burst. Difference in > phase with the color burst gives the color. > > > > So if the LCD TV has a composite input which conforms to NTSC standards, > you ought to see artifact effects. > > > What he said!!! That's it exactly. > > And as best I can remember with failing memory cells, the early 6847 design > would power up > in either of two states with the clock phase different. So the same data > would produce a different > artifact color depending on how it powered up. > > I don't recall if any of those ever went into production. (Several "patch" > mask sets were made > early on, before and during early production.....) It was kind of strange > to watch, though...... > > cheers, > john dumas > (Motorola circuit designer engr for 6847...retired) > JohnDumas at austin.rr.com > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 8 22:42:04 2009 From: Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com (LinuxRules) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:42:04 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DD607C.1090103@austin.rr.com> RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > Did you happen to work on the Sam or 6809 chips > too? > > Roy > No. The SAM was designed in Phoenix (BiPolar group); the VDG in Austin (MOS). The 6809 project overlapped the VDG. Terry and I worked on the VDG in the early stages, then he went on to join up with Joel doing the early 6809 architecture. The rest of *THAT* is history! My only connection to the '09 was/is a love of the very best 8-bitter ever produced........ The VDG was sort of a "sideline" project dropped on my manager by upper management. After the first couple of VDG fixes, I went back to my "real" project - a Dual Density Floppy Disk controller with DMA. That project was abandoned to provide resources for the GM engine controller chip design. ($$$$$) Too bad, it would have been the first MOT chip (out of the MPU design group) controlled by a pipelined micro-engine. Ah well, that feature became a central part of the GM chip, so all was not lost......... Interesting times................................for an Old Coot to remember..... cheers, johnd JohnDumas at austin.rr.com From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Apr 9 22:46:56 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:46:56 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB9@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com><49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net><49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB9@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBA@fenestra.lamunet.local> Oh, and let's not forget the 68486/68487 SAM/VDG replacements- that would have been a fixed VDG as well. Too bad I lost the datasheets for those, I would be curious to remember how they were structured and what features they would have given us if they had actually been produced. Maybe John knows :) > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:34 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? > > Well, yes, there is a fixed VDG. It's called a GIME. :) > > All 6847 models released have this "feature" where they power up with > either a rising or falling clock edge. > > I have it on my "to do" list to rig up a little circuit that would let > you invert the VDG clock on demand and see if that would let you flip > the red/blue relationship on demand rather than pounding on the reset > button and praying. And yes, such a thing is really trivial. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Allen Huffman > > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:19 PM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? > > > > On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, LinuxRules wrote: > > > I don't recall if any of those ever went into production. (Several > > > "patch" mask sets were made > > > early on, before and during early production.....) It was kind of > > > strange to watch, though...... > > > > Wow, there was a fixed VDG? That's very cool, John! Yeah, we got used > > to hitting reset over and over until a screen went red or blue, per > > game instructions at the start ;-) > > > > -- Allen > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 8 22:56:51 2009 From: Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com (LinuxRules) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <49DD63F3.5070200@austin.rr.com> Arthur Flexser wrote: > Very nice to have someone on the list who was involved in the design > of the original CoCo's VDG! > > Perhaps, then, you can answer a question I'm a little curious about. > Did the designers realize from the outset the value that the artifact > colors would have for enhancing the graphics that the VDG was capable > of? Or, was it more the case that it was seen as an unavoidable > annoyance under NTSC that conceivably programmers might find uses for? > To the best of my knowledge, it was a surprise. To me at any rate. Of course, I was new to the NTSC standard anyhow. Terry might have known, or suspected. He had a much more thorough grounding in broadcast standards. I don't recall any discussion of that until we saw it on the tube and said "What the...???!!!". My thought (then) was that we should fix it, but the realities of schedules said No Way..... I had thought that it was fixed later when a junior engr took over the project, but it must have never gotten beyond the "talking stage". He is responsible for the T1 variant, though. So maybe by that time, the artifact colors were being used and customer pressure demanded that they stay. Or maybe it _can't_ be fixed, but is simple a fact of life when your data rate reached the right (wrong) point.......Lots of fog in my head about timings and decisions..... cheers, johnd JohnDumas at austin.rr.com > I do recall that the original CoCo manual (and the VDG spec sheets?) > made no reference to artifact colors. PMODE 4 was described as a > 2-color mode and there was no support for artifact colors under BASIC. > Perhaps that was done so the same manual could be used in countries > using the PAL standard? > > I guess the value of artifact colors for graphics would have been > fairly obvious if there were well-established micros prior to the CoCo > where programmers made profitable use of them. Was that the case, > anybody know? > > Art > From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 9 23:06:48 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:06:48 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] missing a handfull of rianbow mags in pdf Message-ID: i have been hunting in between scans to double check what mags are missing from the rainbow pdf archive and we are missing july 1982 till december 1982 as well as first 5 months 1983 if anyone has these can they please scan them and add them to the ftp sites at excalibur1.net there is also march till december 1992 to be done and Tim F. has those mags in hand and will take care of those time permitting if anyone has any of these they can scan at a good quality, then please do so or email me off list and i might be able to help out im scanning the last rainbow magazine i have now to pdf... then its doing my pile of hot coco magazines Regards Dez , Townsville Australia From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 23:26:07 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <49DEBC4F.9070701@gmail.com> Arthur Flexser wrote: > I guess the value of artifact colors for graphics would have been > fairly obvious if there were well-established micros prior to the CoCo > where programmers made profitable use of them. Was that the case, > anybody know? > I think artifact colors were also used on the Apple II, which predates the CoCo. Christian From Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 8 23:27:40 2009 From: Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com (LinuxRules) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBA@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com><49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net><49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB9@fenestra.lamunet.local> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBA@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> Mike Pepe wrote: > Oh, and let's not forget the 68486/68487 SAM/VDG replacements- that > would have been a fixed VDG as well. > > Too bad I lost the datasheets for those, I would be curious to remember > how they were structured and what features they would have given us if > they had actually been produced. > > Maybe John knows :) > No, I've never heard of those chip numbers. In fact, they strike me as odd. Once the 68k was in production, management decreed that 5 digit numbers (68xxx) would be reserved for 16-32 bit chips and 8bit chips would be 4 digit numbers. (all changed with the CMOS MCUs.). At the time of the 68K introduction, IIRC the only 8bit chip with a 5 digit number was the 68488 (GPIB controller). If '486 and '487 numbers were assigned after the 68K, I would expect them to be 16-32 bit chips. If assigned before the 68K, I never heard a peep about them. Odd, but not impossible, that I wouldn't have........... cheers, johnd JohnDumas at austin.rr.com From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 9 23:31:19 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:31:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB9@fenestra.lamunet.local> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBA@fenestra.lamunet.local> <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <20FB3471-F5ED-4055-86E6-F63FD0E5E99F@pobox.com> John, Do you recall the Mot evaluation board that the CoCo design was based on? I think I read the reference platform was called the "Color Bug" or something like that? Later in life, when I went to work for Microware, I became aware of Motorola reference boards and just what they were. I wonder if we could ever track down one of the original 6809/VDG reference boards. -- Allen From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Apr 9 23:40:45 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com><49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net><49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB9@fenestra.lamunet.local><4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBA@fenestra.lamunet.local> <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBB@fenestra.lamunet.local> I'm not surprised. They were M68k and 6809 compatible, which may be why they had 5 digits. They were known as the "Raster Memory System". One chip was called the Raster Memory Controller. I forget what the other one was called. I had some advance info datasheets but I don't believe they ever were released. Looks like the data was released in 1986, I did find a scan from the Master Selection Guide, but that's about it. Oh, "Raster Memory Interface" was the other one :) > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of LinuxRules > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:28 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? > > Mike Pepe wrote: > > Oh, and let's not forget the 68486/68487 SAM/VDG replacements- that > > would have been a fixed VDG as well. > > > > Too bad I lost the datasheets for those, I would be curious to > remember > > how they were structured and what features they would have given us > if > > they had actually been produced. > > > > Maybe John knows :) > > > No, I've never heard of those chip numbers. > In fact, they strike me as odd. Once the 68k was in production, > management > decreed that 5 digit numbers (68xxx) would be reserved for 16-32 bit > chips > and 8bit chips would be 4 digit numbers. (all changed with the CMOS > MCUs.). > At the time of the 68K introduction, IIRC the only 8bit chip with a 5 > digit number > was the 68488 (GPIB controller). If '486 and '487 numbers were assigned > after > the 68K, I would expect them to be 16-32 bit chips. If assigned before > the 68K, > I never heard a peep about them. Odd, but not impossible, that I > wouldn't have........... > > > cheers, > johnd > JohnDumas at austin.rr.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From hyperfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 23:42:05 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:42:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB8@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <49DE6CE3.4060204@optusnet.com.au> <49DE7F57.60204@gmail.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB8@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <49DEC00D.2090008@gmail.com> Mike Pepe wrote: > It's pretty simple to do. You just scan the program and figure out where > it sets the VDG mode and change it from RG6 to CG6, insert some code > somewhere to set the palette registers to the proper values, and bingo- > artifact colors. > An automatic patcher had been published in the Rainbow somewhere between 1987 and 1990. Does anybody have a copy? Christian From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 23:47:06 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 21:47:06 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: On Apr 8, 2009, at 7:11 PM, LinuxRules wrote: > And as best I can remember with failing memory cells, the early 6847 > design would power up in either of two states with the clock phase > different. So the same data would produce a different artifact color > depending on how it powered up. I have another question about colors on the VDG, not to take this more off topic than it already is! What's up with the funky choice of color palettes in some of the graphics modes? Green-blue-yellow-red, and cyan-magenta-orange- white. I would have thought color modes that included both black-and- white would be the most useful, which is why the artifact modes proved so popular (black-white-red-blue). The default black on green text screen was pretty nuclear, too! -- JP From RJRTTY at aol.com Thu Apr 9 23:50:28 2009 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:50:28 EDT Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2009 10:57:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com writes: >To the best of my knowledge, it was a surprise. To me at any rate. Of >course, I was new to the NTSC >standard anyhow. Terry might have known, or suspected. He had a much >more thorough grounding in >broadcast standards. I don't recall any discussion of that until we saw >it on the tube and said "What the...???!!!". LOL. I have had a few moments like that while prototyping. When this happens I just lie and say "I meant to do that." :) Roy **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From wdg3rd at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 00:35:26 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive In-Reply-To: <547474961.434271239337975395.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <67455158.434431239338126290.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > From: "Neil Morrison" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 4:10:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] 5 1/4" drive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Heskett" > > > I don't know who this Dave Dunfield is, but he is flat wrong on that > > > point. > > He's somewhat well known > > http://www.dunfield.com/ > > I wonder if he's talking about 1.2 M drives or those odd 80 track ones > the > Tandy 2000 used? They weren't odd at the time, anybody with a real 16-bit Intel CPU (the 80186) was using them. The T2k, the original TI Professional, something from DEC comes to mind. Remember that there was no standard 16 bit bus (and no standard high-densuty floppy interface) until the IBM PC/AT showed up a year later with slower hardware and the magic initials. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net From Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com Thu Apr 9 08:46:21 2009 From: Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com (LinuxRules) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:46:21 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <20FB3471-F5ED-4055-86E6-F63FD0E5E99F@pobox.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB9@fenestra.lamunet.local> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBA@fenestra.lamunet.local> <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> <20FB3471-F5ED-4055-86E6-F63FD0E5E99F@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49DDEE1D.9010606@austin.rr.com> Allen Huffman wrote: > John, > > Do you recall the Mot evaluation board that the CoCo design was based > on? I think I read the reference platform was called the "Color Bug" > or something like that? I wasn't aware that the coco was based on a eval board design. My memory is that the Coco design (MOT part of the project) was managed by a marketing Group in Phoenix working closely with Tandy. The only VDG eval board that I am aware of was the "MicroChroma kit" board. That came out of Austin. It was a Kit of major parts with a PCB. The PCB was designed by the applications group (Tim Ahrens, Jack Brown, and Hunter Scales). I wrote the TVBUG monitor for it as a "after hours" project. (About 2/3 of the code for TVBUG, I lifted from MIKBUG with the help of Mike Wiles - the author of MIKBUG.....) As an aside, does anyone know what a MicroChroma kit would be worth today? (I still have one - unassembled - in the back of a closet somewhere. Payment for a "G-job" project..(grin).........) cheers, johnd JohnDumas at austin.rr.com > > Later in life, when I went to work for Microware, I became aware of > Motorola reference boards and just what they were. I wonder if we > could ever track down one of the original 6809/VDG reference boards. > > -- Allen > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.50/2051 - Release Date: 04/09/09 19:01:00 > > From Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com Thu Apr 9 10:04:26 2009 From: Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com (LinuxRules) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:04:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT: Planned it that way all the time. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DE006A.6020602@austin.rr.com> RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/9/2009 10:57:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Linux-Rules at austin.rr.com writes: > > > > > >> To the best of my knowledge, it was a surprise. To me at any rate. Of >> course, I was new to the NTSC >> standard anyhow. Terry might have known, or suspected. He had a much >> more thorough grounding in >> broadcast standards. I don't recall any discussion of that until we saw >> it on the tube and said "What the...???!!!". >> > > > LOL. I have had a few moments like that while > prototyping. When this happens I just lie and say "I > meant to do that." :) > > Roy > And when I slip, sending the cue ball bouncing off three cushions in totally unexpected directions, finally managing to bump one of mine into a pocket, I explain "PLANNED IT THAT WAY ALL THE TIME!!!" (Then duck.) cheers, johnd JohnDumas at austin.rr.com From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 10 11:54:58 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:54:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) Message-ID: <000101c9b9f4$b3903120$1ab09360$@rr.com> I was given instructions about upgrading my Coco3 to 512K, and I asked if I should save the chips I pulled out. I was told it wouldn't be a bad idea, in case I had to go back to the stock Coco3. What about that capacitor I had to cut? Will that have any adverse effect on the Coco IF I ever need to go back to 'stock?' Thanks From jdaggett at gate.net Fri Apr 10 12:41:58 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:41:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com>, <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBA@fenestra.lamunet.local>, <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <49DF3E96.10538.137264@jdaggett.gate.net> John The MC68486/7 were designed to work with the MC68K series of processors as well the MC6809. It was touted to work with both 15 and 6 bit databuss processors. That would include the MC68008 processor. In that aspect it was backwards compatible with the MC6809. I don't think that Motorola ever released that chip set and if they did it was not for long Yep that all changed when the HCMOS proccessors came out. HC11 and HC05 lines ended up using three digits to denote EPROM/FLASH instead of mask ROM. The the trailing letters and numbers for the various flavors. I worked 23 yrs in Paging Products Division, and about five or six other names were were called back then, and we used a lot of HC05 and HC11 varieties. james On 8 Apr 2009 at 22:27, LinuxRules wrote: > Mike Pepe wrote: > > Oh, and let's not forget the 68486/68487 SAM/VDG replacements- that > > would have been a fixed VDG as well. > > > > Too bad I lost the datasheets for those, I would be curious to > > remember how they were structured and what features they would have > > given us if they had actually been produced. > > > > Maybe John knows :) > > > No, I've never heard of those chip numbers. > In fact, they strike me as odd. Once the 68k was in production, > management decreed that 5 digit numbers (68xxx) would be reserved for > 16-32 bit chips and 8bit chips would be 4 digit numbers. (all changed > with the CMOS MCUs.). At the time of the 68K introduction, IIRC the > only 8bit chip with a 5 digit number was the 68488 (GPIB controller). > If '486 and '487 numbers were assigned after the 68K, I would expect > them to be 16-32 bit chips. If assigned before the 68K, I never heard > a peep about them. Odd, but not impossible, that I wouldn't > have........... > > > cheers, > johnd > JohnDumas at austin.rr.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Fri Apr 10 12:43:26 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000101c9b9f4$b3903120$1ab09360$@rr.com> References: <000101c9b9f4$b3903120$1ab09360$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1F0@fenestra.lamunet.local> Technically removing the capacitor does change the circuit characteristics slightly. However the capacitors are worth fractions of a cent and not difficult to obtain. Also I have "downgraded" 512k machines to 128k without reversing the clipped cap and it has worked just fine. I wouldn't worry about it too much. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:55 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] (no subject) I was given instructions about upgrading my Coco3 to 512K, and I asked if I should save the chips I pulled out. I was told it wouldn't be a bad idea, in case I had to go back to the stock Coco3. What about that capacitor I had to cut? Will that have any adverse effect on the Coco IF I ever need to go back to 'stock?' Thanks -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: 04/10/09 06:39:00 From hyperfrog at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 13:11:20 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:11:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DDEE1D.9010606@austin.rr.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com> <49DE14AA.2020404@worldnet.att.net> <49DD4B25.2000006@austin.rr.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DB9@fenestra.lamunet.local> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DBA@fenestra.lamunet.local> <49DD6B2C.10601@austin.rr.com> <20FB3471-F5ED-4055-86E6-F63FD0E5E99F@pobox.com> <49DDEE1D.9010606@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <49DF7DB8.9000301@gmail.com> LinuxRules wrote: > I wasn't aware that the coco was based on a eval board design. > My memory is that the Coco design (MOT part of the project) was managed > by a marketing Group in Phoenix working closely with Tandy. There is sample design at the end of the MC6883 (SAM) datasheet. It is almost a CoCo: 6809, 6883, 6847, 6821 (2x), RAM, and ROM. From jlhickle at yahoo.com Fri Apr 10 14:10:56 2009 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? Message-ID: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Christian Lesage wrote: > I seem to remember there was a way to patch most games to > make them run in 128x192, 4 colours instead of 256x192, 2 > colours. The CoCo 3 palette was then manipulated to make > those 4 colours black, white, red and blue, in order to > mimic the artifacted mode, or, as I did because I could only > afford a monochrome monitor, 4 levels of gray. Does anyone > remember how it was done? I still only use a monochrome > monitor! > I think all it did was change from PMODE 4 to PMODE 3. From hyperfrog at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 14:16:39 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> Jim Hickle wrote: > I think all it did was change from PMODE 4 to PMODE 3. > > I was referring to machine language programs. I found what I was looking for. It's a program written by Steve Ostrom, that was published in the Rainbow in February 1988. From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 14:42:48 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:42:48 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> References: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2EBBDC1D-0500-494F-839E-0F39702B8D40@gmail.com> On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > Jim Hickle wrote: >> I think all it did was change from PMODE 4 to PMODE 3. >> >> I was referring to machine language programs. I found what I was >> looking for. It's a program written by Steve Ostrom, that was >> published in the Rainbow in February 1988. Spectral Associates released a program called "RGB Patch" at the beginning of 1987 that did a similar thing. It was a memory-resident utility that you'd load up first. Subsequently, you'd load up your assembly-language application (e.g. game) and then run it as per normal. The authors claimed the on-the-fly patching worked with 90% of applications, even copy-protected ones. -- JP From jdaggett at gate.net Fri Apr 10 14:59:03 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:59:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DF7DB8.9000301@gmail.com> References: <702B177B-C4D2-496D-96BD-18441E1386AE@pobox.com>, <49DDEE1D.9010606@austin.rr.com>, <49DF7DB8.9000301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DF5EB7.140.90F35C@jdaggett.gate.net> On 10 Apr 2009 at 13:11, Christian Lesage wrote: > LinuxRules wrote: > > I wasn't aware that the coco was based on a eval board design. > > My memory is that the Coco design (MOT part of the project) was > > managed by a marketing Group in Phoenix working closely with Tandy. > There is sample design at the end of the MC6883 (SAM) datasheet. It is > almost a CoCo: 6809, 6883, 6847, 6821 (2x), RAM, and ROM. > Yes that is essentially the core of the Coco1. There is some minor differences but not much. james From Nuxie at aol.com Fri Apr 10 15:17:58 2009 From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:17:58 EDT Subject: [Coco] (no subject) Message-ID: yea keep the transistor i guess so you can solder it back on? I dont i would keep it in a little bagies in a drawer somewhere. Mary In a message dated 4/10/2009 10:55:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cwgordon at carolina.rr.com writes: I was given instructions about upgrading my Coco3 to 512K, and I asked if I should save the chips I pulled out. I was told it wouldn't be a bad idea, in case I had to go back to the stock Coco3. What about that capacitor I had to cut? Will that have any adverse effect on the Coco IF I ever need to go back to 'stock?' Thanks -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814837x1201410725/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) From linville at tuxdriver.com Fri Apr 10 15:56:09 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:56:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <2EBBDC1D-0500-494F-839E-0F39702B8D40@gmail.com> References: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> <2EBBDC1D-0500-494F-839E-0F39702B8D40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090410195608.GA8810@tuxdriver.com> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:42:48PM -0600, J.P. Samson wrote: > On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: >> Jim Hickle wrote: >>> I think all it did was change from PMODE 4 to PMODE 3. >>> >>> I was referring to machine language programs. I found what I was >>> looking for. It's a program written by Steve Ostrom, that was >>> published in the Rainbow in February 1988. > > Spectral Associates released a program called "RGB Patch" at the > beginning of 1987 that did a similar thing. It was a memory-resident > utility that you'd load up first. Subsequently, you'd load up your > assembly-language application (e.g. game) and then run it as per normal. > The authors claimed the on-the-fly patching worked with 90% of > applications, even copy-protected ones. Anyone know how that worked? Was it hooked into an interrupt routine so that it would automatically adjust the video mode and palette? John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 16:18:09 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:18:09 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <20090410195608.GA8810@tuxdriver.com> References: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> <2EBBDC1D-0500-494F-839E-0F39702B8D40@gmail.com> <20090410195608.GA8810@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <458C40F7-42ED-41F6-9AE7-9ED47FCF3227@gmail.com> On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:56 PM, John W. Linville wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:42:48PM -0600, J.P. Samson wrote: >> Spectral Associates released a program called "RGB Patch" at the >> beginning of 1987 that did a similar thing. It was a memory-resident >> utility that you'd load up first. Subsequently, you'd load up your >> assembly-language application (e.g. game) and then run it as per >> normal. >> The authors claimed the on-the-fly patching worked with 90% of >> applications, even copy-protected ones. > > Anyone know how that worked? Was it hooked into an interrupt routine > so that it would automatically adjust the video mode and palette? I've no idea, personally. I still have a copy of the utility. Unfortunately, it is sitting on a 5-1/4" floppy in a disk box, within a cardboard carton, in the back of a 15' deep storage shed that is crammed 7' high with boxes. So I won't be going to look for it! ;-) Ah, but I do have a copy of the instruction manual kicking around: RGB PATCH lives in RAM from $8D14 to $8E36. This is an area of the Extended Basic ROM that was once used by the DLOAD command, but is no longer needed. Upon installation, RGB PATCH will copy a small section of code to $FE80. The code at $8D14 is used while your game program is actually loading, and the code at $FE80 is used while your game program is running. I guess that doesn't quite answer your question. -- JP From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 16:26:36 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:26:36 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > I don't know if anyone here ever watched Red Dwarf, a BBC sci-fi > comedy that ran from around 1988 until 1998, but a series of three > new specials airs next week in England, Hate to deflate your balloon, Allen, but one of my buddies is watching the new Red Dwarf live in London right now. He says there's no laugh track on it... and unfortunately the episode is so bad that, without the laugh track, he isn't sure when the show is actually funny. -- JP From smostrom7 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 16:39:08 2009 From: smostrom7 at comcast.net (Steve Ostrom) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:39:08 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> References: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3013FAC380B04937AB46889D036DC115@OstromPC> Yeah, it was one of those "how do I get this to work" problems most of us Coco programmers have run into over the years. Since it worked for me, I sent it to Lonnie and he published it. Pretty simple. The RGB Patch program sold commercially was probably much better and easier to use. -- Steve -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Lesage" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? > Jim Hickle wrote: >> I think all it did was change from PMODE 4 to PMODE 3. >> >> > I was referring to machine language programs. I found what I was looking > for. It's a program written by Steve Ostrom, that was published in the > Rainbow in February 1988. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cocomalt at 6809.org.uk Fri Apr 10 17:13:39 2009 From: cocomalt at 6809.org.uk (Ciaran Anscomb) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:13:39 +0100 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27350.1239398019@torch.6809.org.uk> "J.P. Samson" wrote: > On Apr 1, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > > I don't know if anyone here ever watched Red Dwarf, a BBC sci-fi > > comedy that ran from around 1988 until 1998, but a series of three > > new specials airs next week in England, > > Hate to deflate your balloon, Allen, but one of my buddies is watching > the new Red Dwarf live in London right now. He says there's no laugh > track on it... and unfortunately the episode is so bad that, without > the laugh track, he isn't sure when the show is actually funny. Just watched it and it was ok. Bit more film-like without the laughter track and while different, it wasn't such a bad thing *except* that it makes you really aware that they broadcast a tiny snippet of an episode: half an hour including their ad breaks (originals were made without ads in mind). If there had been more of it in one sitting (perhaps making it 2 * 45 mins instead of 3 * 30 mins), the different atmosphere would have worked a lot better. I reckon. ..ciaran -- Ciaran Anscomb, Perl/C Hacker From hyperfrog at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 17:24:56 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:24:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <20090410195608.GA8810@tuxdriver.com> References: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> <2EBBDC1D-0500-494F-839E-0F39702B8D40@gmail.com> <20090410195608.GA8810@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <49DFB928.1020803@gmail.com> John W. Linville wrote: > Anyone know how that worked? Was it hooked into an interrupt routine > so that it would automatically adjust the video mode and palette? > If you want it, I could send Steve Ostrom's program (the one that was published in the Rainbow). It's a short Basic program with some machine language code in DATA statements, that was poked into memory. So you'll have to disassemble it to fully understand how it works. But perhaps Steve himself still has an assembly listing with comments? Christian From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 17:55:59 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:55:59 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <27350.1239398019@torch.6809.org.uk> References: <27350.1239398019@torch.6809.org.uk> Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Ciaran Anscomb wrote: > "J.P. Samson" wrote: >> On Apr 1, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: >>> I don't know if anyone here ever watched Red Dwarf, a BBC sci-fi >>> comedy that ran from around 1988 until 1998, but a series of three >>> new specials airs next week in England, >> >> Hate to deflate your balloon, Allen, but one of my buddies is >> watching >> the new Red Dwarf live in London right now. He says there's no laugh >> track on it... and unfortunately the episode is so bad that, without >> the laugh track, he isn't sure when the show is actually funny. > > Just watched it and it was ok. Bit more film-like without the > laughter > track and while different, it wasn't such a bad thing *except* that it > makes you really aware that they broadcast a tiny snippet of an > episode: > half an hour including their ad breaks (originals were made without > ads > in mind). I won't make any personal comment on it until I find a way to see it. Good to hear that it perhaps has some merit. Red Dwarf went badly downhill in its last couple of seasons. Perhaps I should have said "pop your balloon" to Allen, then I'd have a "Clowns & Balloons" tie- in for this thread, thus making it CoCo relevant! -- JP From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Fri Apr 10 18:14:44 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:14:44 +1000 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> J.P. Samson wrote: > Hate to deflate your balloon, Allen, but one of my buddies is watching > the new Red Dwarf live in London right now. He says there's no laugh > track on it... and unfortunately the episode is so bad that, without the > laugh track, he isn't sure when the show is actually funny. I thought laugh tracks were only there so Yanks knew when to laugh?? ;) -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 10 18:16:05 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Mark McDougall wrote: > I thought laugh tracks were only there so Yanks knew when to > laugh?? ;) We seem to have foreigners on this list. When did the CoCo go global? So what all countries do we have represented here? (And some of the RD series had live audience laughter, and some seasons did not... I never really noticed at the time, but I'll be reviewing my entire DVD collection soon.) I received a copy of Friday the 13th 4 from Netflix yesterday, and will be finding the CoCo stuff. One scene early on has the boy (a young Corey Feldmen a few years before he was in everything) showing off a room of masks, and a CoCo 1 is seen in the corner of it briefly. I can't find the Zaxxon scene yet, but I'll look more later. -- Allen From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 10 18:20:25 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] missing a handfull of rianbow mags in pdf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <751326.2741.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for all the hard work!! stinger30au wrote: i have been hunting in between scans to double check what mags are missing from the rainbow pdf archive and we are missing july 1982 till december 1982 as well as first 5 months 1983 if anyone has these can they please scan them and add them to the ftp sites at excalibur1.net there is also march till december 1992 to be done and Tim F. has those mags in hand and will take care of those time permitting if anyone has any of these they can scan at a good quality, then please do so or email me off list and i might be able to help out im scanning the last rainbow magazine i have now to pdf... then its doing my pile of hot coco magazines Regards Dez , Townsville Australia ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 18:20:50 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:20:50 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Mark McDougall wrote: >> I thought laugh tracks were only there so Yanks knew when to >> laugh?? ;) > > We seem to have foreigners on this list. When did the CoCo go global? > > So what all countries do we have represented here? (And some of the > RD series had live audience laughter, and some seasons did not... I > never really noticed at the time, but I'll be reviewing my entire > DVD collection soon.) Perhaps you should keep on the lookout for a Dragon/CoCo keyboard in the various Red Dwarf sets (e.g. Starbug)! They seem to use so many retro keyboards, you never know. -- JP From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 10 18:22:06 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> Message-ID: <260EC1FF-811B-4D3E-8CBA-CD969612AEC6@pobox.com> On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:20 PM, J.P. Samson wrote: > Perhaps you should keep on the lookout for a Dragon/CoCo keyboard in > the various Red Dwarf sets (e.g. Starbug)! They seem to use so many > retro keyboards, you never know. Ah, cool -- I take it you haven't really seen one? I wouldn't recognize the Dragon keyboard. I think I've seen one only once -- at the PennFest Nick helped with. They had several systems I'd never seen in person, like the TDP-System 100. Wild. -- Allen From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 18:25:21 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:25:21 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> Message-ID: <005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master> I'm an Australian (Dutch by birth), and have been in the coco community for a lot of years, going back to circa 1993 on the Princeton list. I remember being asked if I was for real about stating that I'm Australian way back then. So the US coco community was infiltrated by foreigners a long time back. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week > On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Mark McDougall wrote: >> I thought laugh tracks were only there so Yanks knew when to laugh?? ;) > > We seem to have foreigners on this list. When did the CoCo go global? > > So what all countries do we have represented here? (And some of the RD > series had live audience laughter, and some seasons did not... I never > really noticed at the time, but I'll be reviewing my entire DVD > collection soon.) > > I received a copy of Friday the 13th 4 from Netflix yesterday, and will > be finding the CoCo stuff. One scene early on has the boy (a young Corey > Feldmen a few years before he was in everything) showing off a room of > masks, and a CoCo 1 is seen in the corner of it briefly. I can't find > the Zaxxon scene yet, but I'll look more later. > > -- Allen > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 10 18:26:44 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? Message-ID: <583970.98189.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a large archive of 80 Micro Magazines I can add to the coco archive. This magazine was for all TRS-80 Systems not just coco so not sure if folks would get any use out of them. Just getting a feel for if I should put these in the archives or not? Thanks! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Apr 10 18:29:43 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:29:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master> References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> <005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <01EE51B3-4EB9-405E-BD59-4C3A721A7E7C@pobox.com> On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > I'm an Australian (Dutch by birth), and have been in the coco > community for a lot of years, going back to circa 1993 on the > Princeton list. Who was the Australian that had the CoCo company or magazine? -- A From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 18:34:37 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:34:37 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <260EC1FF-811B-4D3E-8CBA-CD969612AEC6@pobox.com> References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> <260EC1FF-811B-4D3E-8CBA-CD969612AEC6@pobox.com> Message-ID: <914D5899-B48D-4F50-8DCA-3A7FE2D0892B@gmail.com> On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:20 PM, J.P. Samson wrote: >> Perhaps you should keep on the lookout for a Dragon/CoCo keyboard >> in the various Red Dwarf sets (e.g. Starbug)! They seem to use so >> many retro keyboards, you never know. > > Ah, cool -- I take it you haven't really seen one? No, I haven't, but I know I've tried looking for one now and then when watching an episode! -- JP From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 18:40:04 2009 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:40:04 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <914D5899-B48D-4F50-8DCA-3A7FE2D0892B@gmail.com> References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> <260EC1FF-811B-4D3E-8CBA-CD969612AEC6@pobox.com> <914D5899-B48D-4F50-8DCA-3A7FE2D0892B@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:34 PM, J.P. Samson wrote: > On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: >> On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:20 PM, J.P. Samson wrote: >>> Perhaps you should keep on the lookout for a Dragon/CoCo keyboard >>> in the various Red Dwarf sets (e.g. Starbug)! They seem to use so >>> many retro keyboards, you never know. >> >> Ah, cool -- I take it you haven't really seen one? > > No, I haven't, but I know I've tried looking for one now and then > when watching an episode! Oh, and another Brit comedy I suggest you try: The IT Crowd. It won the 2008 International Emmy for Best Comedy. They do actually try to get all sorts of old computer junk onto the set. I've only seen the first season, but didn't notice any CoCo/Dragon stuff at the time. -- JP From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Fri Apr 10 18:41:46 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:41:46 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? Message-ID: Derek wrote: I have a large archive of 80 Micro Magazines I can add to the coco archive. This magazine was for all TRS-80 Systems not just coco so not sure if folks would get any use out of them. Just getting a feel for if I should put these in the archives or not? --------------------- Derek, this would be great. from what i have discovered in the past few months, every single 80 micro magazine has been scanned to pdf. im yet to find where they are on the net though Dez From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 10 18:44:14 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:44:14 +0100 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49DFCBBE.3050503@aurigae.demon.co.uk> J.P. Samson wrote: > On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > Perhaps you should keep on the lookout for a Dragon/CoCo keyboard in the > various Red Dwarf sets (e.g. Starbug)! They seem to use so many retro > keyboards, you never know. I deffo remember seeing an original bread-bin commie 64 in one of the early episodes in the control room. Cheers. Phill. From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 18:53:09 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:53:09 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au><5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com><005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master> <01EE51B3-4EB9-405E-BD59-4C3A721A7E7C@pobox.com> Message-ID: <007c01c9ba2f$213572f0$0701a8c0@master> I was part of the four man team who produced the Australian OS9 Newsletter. Those newsletters are available for download from the maltedmedia ftp site. The others were Gordon Bentzen, Don Berrie and Jean-Pierre Jacquet. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week > On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > >> I'm an Australian (Dutch by birth), and have been in the coco community >> for a lot of years, going back to circa 1993 on the Princeton list. > > Who was the Australian that had the CoCo company or magazine? > > -- A > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From ty140 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 10 19:09:14 2009 From: ty140 at hotmail.com (Ty S) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a cleanly redone schematic at my [defunct] website: http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip Kind Regards, Ty > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 > From: hyperfrog at gmail.com > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > N8WQ wrote: > > Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the CoCo 3? > > My copy is blurry and not clear. > > > > Alan Jones > > > > There is a readable one there : > > ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ > > Get pages 103 to 128. > > Regards, > > Christian > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 10 19:35:54 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19533.45023.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been sent an 8 DVD archive set of coco stuff recently and they are on there so will get them uploaded soon. Also some Color Computer Magazine scans and tons of CoCo and OS-9 scans and software. stinger30au wrote: Derek wrote: I have a large archive of 80 Micro Magazines I can add to the coco archive. This magazine was for all TRS-80 Systems not just coco so not sure if folks would get any use out of them. Just getting a feel for if I should put these in the archives or not? --------------------- Derek, this would be great. from what i have discovered in the past few months, every single 80 micro magazine has been scanned to pdf. im yet to find where they are on the net though Dez ------------------------------------ Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and their cousins!Yahoo! Groups Links ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From hyperfrog at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 19:50:45 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:50:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DFDB55.5090506@gmail.com> Ty S wrote: > It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a cleanly redone schematic at my [defunct] website: > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip > Wow! Nice job! From exwn8jef at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 21:02:50 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:02:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DFEC3A.7020202@gmail.com> I want to thank everyone for the schematics, but I have to say that "this" schematic is absolutely beautiful! : Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Ty S wrote: > It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a cleanly redone schematic at my [defunct] website: > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Ty > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 >> From: hyperfrog at gmail.com >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic >> >> N8WQ wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the CoCo 3? >>> My copy is blurry and not clear. >>> >>> Alan Jones >>> >>> >> There is a readable one there : >> >> ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ >> >> Get pages 103 to 128. >> >> Regards, >> >> Christian >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From linville at tuxdriver.com Fri Apr 10 21:42:03 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:42:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Artifacting on LCD? In-Reply-To: <49DFB928.1020803@gmail.com> References: <337639.51456.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49DF8D07.7030205@gmail.com> <2EBBDC1D-0500-494F-839E-0F39702B8D40@gmail.com> <20090410195608.GA8810@tuxdriver.com> <49DFB928.1020803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090411014203.GB8810@tuxdriver.com> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 05:24:56PM -0400, Christian Lesage wrote: > John W. Linville wrote: >> Anyone know how that worked? Was it hooked into an interrupt routine >> so that it would automatically adjust the video mode and palette? >> > If you want it, I could send Steve Ostrom's program (the one that was > published in the Rainbow). It's a short Basic program with some machine > language code in DATA statements, that was poked into memory. So you'll > have to disassemble it to fully understand how it works. But perhaps > Steve himself still has an assembly listing with comments? Sure, it would be great to have that as a reference if it isn't too much trouble. Thanks! John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From operator at coco3.com Fri Apr 10 22:19:07 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:19:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] bloated OS-9 modules Message-ID: <20090411021945.394E320A13@qs281.pair.com> I was just looking at the size of my os9boot file even after removing a few unused modules and am still at 24716 bytes. Scratching my head for a minute, I quickly noticed what was hogging most of that space. The RBF module is a whopping 4846 bytes ?! CoWIn @ a whopping 8022 bytes ?! What all does this module do? Also, what is the VTIO module? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From lamune at doki-doki.net Fri Apr 10 22:44:48 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:44:48 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: <49DFEC3A.7020202@gmail.com> References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> <49DFEC3A.7020202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DC4@fenestra.lamunet.local> Ditto that comment. Ty- what did you use to make this? > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:03 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > I want to thank everyone for the schematics, but I have to say that > "this" schematic is absolutely beautiful! : > > Alan Jones > > -- > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > Ty S wrote: > > It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a cleanly > redone schematic at my [defunct] website: > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or > > > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Ty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 > >> From: hyperfrog at gmail.com > >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > >> > >> N8WQ wrote: > >> > >>> Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the > CoCo 3? > >>> My copy is blurry and not clear. > >>> > >>> Alan Jones > >>> > >>> > >> There is a readable one there : > >> > >> ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ > >> > >> Get pages 103 to 128. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Christian > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_04200 > 9 > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: > 04/10/09 18:27:00 From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Fri Apr 10 23:52:27 2009 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:52:27 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] A CoCo cartrige emulator Message-ID: It's a ROM emulator with adapters for several different machines shown on the same site. http://www.instructables.com/id/Emulador_de_Cartucho_CP400/ http://www.instructables.com/id/Emulador_de_Cartucho_Montagem/ From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 11 00:24:09 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:24:09 -0500 Subject: [Coco] 230.4 kbps wireless NitrOS-9 Message-ID: <20090411042448.4769120A14@qs281.pair.com> Guys, I just put a 3.6864 mhz crystal in a bluetooth pak and booted right into NitrOS-9 over the air as I've been doing, only now it's running at 230400 bps! Ofcourse, there's a Rockwell 6551AP in the socket, so I expected it to cooperate. I'll have to post some results on how the AMI 6551AP behaves @ CoCo 2mhz & 6551 double crystal. I know *I* have a use for using OS-9 this way, but I'm interested in knowing who else thinks it's cool. I mean, this is the same thing that's DriveWire is doing but there's no cable AND it's @ 230.4 kbps. I have to make sure it's running stable before releasing anything to the general public but if anyone with a wireless pak who wants to help test out CoCoNet/6551 let me know. You'll just need to put a new EPROM in the socket and download the PC server applet and my CoCoNet/6551-bootable NitrOS-9 .dsk. If you have a Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak and a way to boot into the CoCoNet/Disk BASIC ROM, no wireless pak is needed. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 11 00:27:42 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:27:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] bluetooth vs linux Message-ID: <200904110027.43031.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings; I have managed to get Rogers bluetooth pack working here, but it took some rebuilding of the kernel and hacking up a script to do it. The script (for linux, put it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local near the bottom of the file, and use this to enable it: . /whereever/you/put/it/connect2coco3 ) ------------------snip here -------------> #!/bin/bash echo attempting to get bt link to the coco3 echo "rfcomm release 0" rfcomm release 0 sleep 2 ls -l /dev/rfcomm* sleep 2 rfcomm -i 11:11:11:11:11:11 show hci0 sleep 2 echo "resetting hci0" hciconfig reset hsi0 sleep 2 ls -l /dev/rfcomm* sleep 2 rfcomm -i 11:11:11:11:11:11 show hci0 sleep 2 ls -l /dev/rfcomm* sleep 2 echo "hciconfig -a" hciconfig -a sleep 2 ls -l /dev/rfcomm* sleep 2 echo "rfcomm bind 0 00:0c:84:00:86:F8" rfcomm bind 0 00:0c:84:00:86:F8 sleep 2 ls -l /dev/rfcomm* sleep 2 #echo "rfcomm connect 0 00:0c:84:00:86:F8 1" #rfcomm connect 0 00:0c:84:00:86:F8 1 echo this should show the cocos address rfcomm -i 11:11:11:11:11:11 show 0 <------------to here----------------- There are troubleshooting time delays aplenty that, once it works reliably, can be removed, as can the "sleep 2"s Once you get a boot disk made with t3.dd in it, xmode the descriptor for eko=1 bau=6, and then add to your startup file: init /t3 shell i=/t3 & Then from the linux box, get a terminal window open with #> minicom -s which will bring up minicoms configuration menus. Choose the port setup, edit A to read '/dev/rfcomm0', set the speed to 9600 8 N 1, exit, save df1, and exit again. If it is working, minicom won't exit, but will present a prompt. Give it a return, and the coco should identify itself, and your session of minicom will be a remote terminal on the coco. Minicom has automatic rz/sz support so you can cd to somewhere on the coco's drive, and initiate a file transfer either way. Here is a screen scrape of that screen: ===================================================== Welcome to minicom 2.3 OPTIONS: I18n Compiled on Aug 29 2008, 07:16:49. Port /dev/rfcomm0 Press CTRL-A Z for help on special keys Shell+ v2.2a 09/04/10 00:09:47 {t3|08}/DD: {t3|08}/DD:dir Directory of . 2009/04/10 00:20 BOOTTRACK CMDS DEFS HDBDOS11.DSK MAXTOR MODULES NEWBOOT NITROS9 NOS96309 OLDCMDS OLDDEFS OLDSYS PcDos.doc PcDos.doc1 Pcdos.lzh SYS UTILS2 cc3go UTILS2.tmp dskini dummy gene startyup test.p old-sysgo utils2.merge-list print-test.b09 sysgo sysgo.asm SRC discscan4floppy dsave.out startup devel p ekodrvr {t3|08}/DD:proc ID Prnt User Pty Age Tsk Status Signal Module I/O Paths ___ ____ ____ ___ ___ ___ _______ __ __ _________ __________________ 1 0 0 255 255 00 sTimOut 0 00 System Term >>Term 2 1 0 128 131 00 s 0 00 Shell Term >>Term 3 2 0 128 129 00 sTSleep 0 00 SuperComm Term >>Term 4 2 0 128 128 00 s 0 00 Shell t2 >>t2 5 0 0 128 131 00 s 0 00 Shell W7 >>W7 6 0 0 128 131 00 s 0 00 Shell W1 >>W1 7 0 0 128 132 00 s 0 00 Shell W2 >>W2 8 4 0 128 131 00 s 0 00 Shell t3 >>t3 9 8 0 128 128 02 s 0 00 Proc t3 >>t3 {t3|08}/DD:kill 3 ================================================= I was getting rid of leftovers, I'd tried to make supercomm log into this box and failed. The only think missing is minicom hasn't a clue how to do the coco's gfx colors, so a color based proggy, or one that needs a mouse won't work. Yet... There will be some details to work out, mostly using xmode to reconfigure for the right flow controls I think. Good luck everybody, and many thanks, Roger. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You may be marching to the beat of a different drummer, but you're still in the parade. From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 11 00:40:22 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:40:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] bluetooth vs linux In-Reply-To: <200904110027.43031.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200904110027.43031.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090411044101.50C5320A14@qs281.pair.com> At 11:27 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote: >The only think missing is minicom hasn't a clue how to do the coco's gfx >colors, so a color based proggy, or one that needs a mouse won't work. Yet... > >There will be some details to work out, mostly using xmode to reconfigure for >the right flow controls I think. > >Good luck everybody, and many thanks, Roger. > >-- >Cheers, Gene Give 19200 bps a try. From the OS-9 prompt you should be able to: echo set baud 19200 >/t3 then immediately xmode /t3 bau=7 to reconfigure the pak for 19200 bps for all new sessions -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 11 01:19:05 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:19:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] bluetooth vs linux In-Reply-To: <20090411044101.50C5320A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <200904110027.43031.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090411044101.50C5320A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904110119.06067.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 11 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >At 11:27 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote: >>The only think missing is minicom hasn't a clue how to do the coco's gfx >>colors, so a color based proggy, or one that needs a mouse won't work. >> Yet... >> >>There will be some details to work out, mostly using xmode to reconfigure >> for the right flow controls I think. >> >>Good luck everybody, and many thanks, Roger. >> >>-- >>Cheers, Gene > >Give 19200 bps a try. From the OS-9 prompt you should be able >to: echo set baud 19200 >/t3 from another shell obviously >then immediately xmode /t3 bau=7 to reconfigure the pak for 19200 >bps for all new sessions Also from another shell, not the one running on /t3. And since I had a shell on /t2, with a minicom session to it, I tried it right from this chair, and it worked although I should set that session of minicom up for 19200 too. And that still works. Do we have a 38400? :) And you really do want to show just how slow rz/sz is. :) Even on my machine, about 7300 baud is all it can muster. 6809 based machines, around 4500 baud. Yeah, rz/sz can move a file while someone is sawing the cable in two with a dull hacksaw. But its error checking is a speed killer. If this is as good as you claim, I should be able to use ymodem error free at 56k. But it is too late & I could feel better. The missus went out to get a nanner split, and I sent her to a place I knew had sugar free ice cream, said get me a small cone, but she bought back a pint! And I was dumb enough to eat it all, I mean its sugar free right? Damn that sugar alcohol is hell on ones innards. I won't do that again real soon. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill. From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 11 01:51:34 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Coco] bluetooth vs linux In-Reply-To: <200904110119.06067.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200904110027.43031.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20090411044101.50C5320A14@qs281.pair.com> <200904110119.06067.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090411055214.2EECE20A13@qs281.pair.com> At 12:19 AM 4/11/2009, you wrote: >On Saturday 11 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: > >At 11:27 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote: > >>The only think missing is minicom hasn't a clue how to do the coco's gfx > >>colors, so a color based proggy, or one that needs a mouse won't work. > >> Yet... > >> > >>There will be some details to work out, mostly using xmode to reconfigure > >> for the right flow controls I think. > >> > >>Good luck everybody, and many thanks, Roger. > >> > >>-- > >>Cheers, Gene > > > >Give 19200 bps a try. From the OS-9 prompt you should be able > >to: echo set baud 19200 >/t3 > >from another shell obviously > > >then immediately xmode /t3 bau=7 to reconfigure the pak for 19200 > >bps for all new sessions > >Also from another shell, not the one running on /t3. And since I had a shell >on /t2, with a minicom session to it, I tried it right from this >chair, and it >worked although I should set that session of minicom up for 19200 too. And >that still works. Do we have a 38400? :) I don't know if sc6551 can do better than 19200 bps. You can replace the crystal in the pak with a 3.68 and set up for 19200 bps to achieve a 38400 bps connection. That's the thing about using a faster crystal... all old software is based on the 1.8432 mhz crystal. Choosing 19200 bps gets you 19200 bps. This is why I haven't distributed 3.68 mhz versions of the pak because it would confuse newbies trying to match the baud rates which can get even more confusing knowing that the bluetooth module has to match that of the 6551. But I'm talking at 230400 bps right now (virtual drives in NitrOS-9). >And you really do want to show just how slow rz/sz is. :) Even on >my machine, >about 7300 baud is all it can muster. 6809 based machines, around 4500 baud. > >Yeah, rz/sz can move a file while someone is sawing the cable in two with a >dull hacksaw. But its error checking is a speed killer. If this is as good >as you claim, I should be able to use ymodem error free at 56k. But >it is too >late & I could feel better. The missus went out to get a nanner split, and I >sent her to a place I knew had sugar free ice cream, said get me a small >cone, but she bought back a pint! And I was dumb enough to eat it >all, I mean >its sugar free right? Damn that sugar alcohol is hell on ones innards. I >won't do that again real soon. The thing about CoCoNet is that no file transfer protocols are needed. It can import files from the web or the remote PC and plop them right onto a mounted virtual disk. In the case of NitrOS-9, you'll be able to: download "http://www.coco3.com/somegame" mount /d1 "http://www.coco3.com/new_os9_game.dsk" mount /d2 "c:\newdrivers.dsk" What about remote directories? just examples: rdir c:\ rdir www.cocofiles.com So, it's a trade-off... using a direct serial connection with limited flow control and possibly some CTS/RTS issues, or.... using a CoCoNet connection and moving files around in a better way Ofcourse, for you having two 6551 paks allows you to have both types of connections. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 11 09:30:23 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:30:23 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <01EE51B3-4EB9-405E-BD59-4C3A721A7E7C@pobox.com> References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> <005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master> <01EE51B3-4EB9-405E-BD59-4C3A721A7E7C@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49E09B6F.3080803@iinet.net.au> Allen Huffman wrote: > Who was the Australian that had the CoCo company or magazine? Weren't there two Australian Coco magazines? My father knew one of the editors I think, but I can't recall the name of the guy or the magazine. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From skwirl42 at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 10:17:24 2009 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:17:24 -0300 Subject: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> <260EC1FF-811B-4D3E-8CBA-CD969612AEC6@pobox.com> <914D5899-B48D-4F50-8DCA-3A7FE2D0892B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30904110717j562c69f2h4d0cb3657a1478b1@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/09, J.P. Samson wrote: > Oh, and another Brit comedy I suggest you try: The IT Crowd. It won the > 2008 International Emmy for Best Comedy. They do actually try to get all > sorts of old computer junk onto the set. I've only seen the first season, > but didn't notice any CoCo/Dragon stuff at the time. I've seen all three seasons, and still no sign of a CoCo. Don't know what a Dragon looks like, however. There's an Altair in season 3. -- James Dessart From ty140 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 11 10:29:20 2009 From: ty140 at hotmail.com (Ty S) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:29:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DC4@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> <49DFEC3A.7020202@gmail.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DC4@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: Thanks for the kind comments! It was created in PSpice, exported as a bitmap, then color-coded in an image editor. For most of the ICs, I had to create custom (dummy) libraries to get the same pinout as what was used in the original schematic to keep the layout consistent. If anyone finds an error, please let me know. I checked it a few times before posting it, but we're all human... Kind Regards, Ty > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:44:48 -0700 > From: lamune at doki-doki.net > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > Ditto that comment. Ty- what did you use to make this? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:03 PM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > > > I want to thank everyone for the schematics, but I have to say that > > "this" schematic is absolutely beautiful! : > > > > Alan Jones > > > > -- > > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > > > > > Ty S wrote: > > > It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a > cleanly > > redone schematic at my [defunct] website: > > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or > > > > > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 > > >> From: hyperfrog at gmail.com > > >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com > > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > >> > > >> N8WQ wrote: > > >> > > >>> Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the > > CoCo 3? > > >>> My copy is blurry and not clear. > > >>> > > >>> Alan Jones > > >>> > > >>> > > >> There is a readable one there : > > >> > > >> ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ > > >> > > >> Get pages 103 to 128. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Christian > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Coco mailing list > > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >> > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_04200 > > 9 > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: > > 04/10/09 18:27:00 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 From boisy at tee-boy.com Sat Apr 11 11:11:30 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:11:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> <49DFEC3A.7020202@gmail.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DC4@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: Ty, I went to your website and saw your CoCo 3 Secrets book, and it looks very promising. Do you have any idea when it might be completed? Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 11, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Ty S wrote: > > Thanks for the kind comments! It was created in PSpice, exported as > a bitmap, then color-coded in an image editor. For most of the ICs, > I had to create custom (dummy) libraries to get the same pinout as > what was used in the original schematic to keep the layout consistent. > > > > If anyone finds an error, please let me know. I checked it a few > times before posting it, but we're all human... > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Ty > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:44:48 -0700 >> From: lamune at doki-doki.net >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic >> >> Ditto that comment. Ty- what did you use to make this? >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ >>> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:03 PM >>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic >>> >>> I want to thank everyone for the schematics, but I have to say that >>> "this" schematic is absolutely beautiful! : >>> >>> Alan Jones >>> >>> -- >>> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio >>> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home >>> >>> >>> >>> Ty S wrote: >>>> It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a >> cleanly >>> redone schematic at my [defunct] website: >>>> http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or >>>> >>>> http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 >>>>> From: hyperfrog at gmail.com >>>>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic >>>>> >>>>> N8WQ wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the >>> CoCo 3? >>>>>> My copy is blurry and not clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan Jones >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> There is a readable one there : >>>>> >>>>> ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ >>>>> >>>>> Get pages 103 to 128. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coco mailing list >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. >>>> >>> >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_04200 >>> 9 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: >>> 04/10/09 18:27:00 >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 11 12:20:50 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:20:50 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Ordering Glenside Jacket Part 1 Message-ID: <49E0C362.3060709@sbcglobal.net> To everyone interested in a Jacket. I will take NEW orders until July 1, 2009. Payment by PayPal to place your order. Use my email address. Like at the Fest. $50.00 for 1 to 6 qty. Size Small -XL $46.00 for 7 to 15 qty For 2X add $2.00. For 3X add $4.00. For 4X add $6.00. Shipping is $10.00 excess will be refunded. Example: Navy 3X is $46.00 + $4.00+$10.00 = $60.00 The colors available. royal, navy, red, gold, dark green, orange, maroon, kelly, black. 5XL has only black, navy, red, royal. So far we have the colors black, navy, royal, red selected for jacket colors. I will post separate e-mails the jacket colors and a picture of the jacket. Other wise I have more than a 40K file size. Brian -- Brian Goers Glenside Color Computer Club URL Glenside Vice-President of Special Events http://GlensideCCC.com IDE Boards are available. Show cost $45.00 The 19th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! Includes items in the picture Will be held MAY 15 & 16, 2010! Holiday Inn & Suites in Elgin. The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 11 12:22:19 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:22:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket colors Message-ID: <49E0C3BB.9040008@sbcglobal.net> Attached jacket colors. Brian -- Brian Goers Glenside Color Computer Club URL Glenside Vice-President of Special Events http://GlensideCCC.com IDE Boards are available. Show cost $45.00 The 19th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! Includes items in the picture Will be held MAY 15 & 16, 2010! Holiday Inn & Suites in Elgin. The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From snhirsch at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 12:27:47 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket colors In-Reply-To: <49E0C3BB.9040008@sbcglobal.net> References: <49E0C3BB.9040008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Brian, I understand that Glenside offers some utility disks that are restricted to members? What software is available and how does one join? Steve -- From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 11 12:36:32 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:36:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket Logo Message-ID: <49E0C710.8030005@sbcglobal.net> Oops! sent a blank message. For some reason my Jacket Logo file of 29KB goes out in Email as 41.7KB. So will have to wait for the moderators approval. It will come up soon. Brian -- Brian Goers Glenside Color Computer Club URL Glenside Vice-President of Special Events http://GlensideCCC.com IDE Boards are available. Show cost $45.00 The 19th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! Includes items in the picture Will be held MAY 15 & 16, 2010! Holiday Inn & Suites in Elgin. The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 11 13:00:23 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:00:23 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket colors In-Reply-To: References: <49E0C3BB.9040008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49E0CCA7.3050803@sbcglobal.net> Steven Hirsch wrote: > Brian, > > I understand that Glenside offers some utility disks that are > restricted to members? What software is available and how does one join? > > Steve > If it's IDE Interface disks you have the one I sent you and the 10/99 Beta on the three web sites. Do you mean Y2K disk? Is this the utility disk. We had the Glenside meeting Thursday night and, we are in the process of sending the files and directions to our librarian. But she doesn't know anything about this yet. -- Brian Goers Glenside Color Computer Club URL Glenside Vice-President of Special Events http://GlensideCCC.com IDE Boards are available. Show cost $45.00 The 19th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! Includes items in the picture Will be held MAY 15 & 16, 2010! Holiday Inn & Suites in Elgin. The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. From snhirsch at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 13:30:24 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket colors In-Reply-To: <49E0CCA7.3050803@sbcglobal.net> References: <49E0C3BB.9040008@sbcglobal.net> <49E0CCA7.3050803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Brian Goers wrote: >> I understand that Glenside offers some utility disks that are restricted to >> members? What software is available and how does one join? >> >> Steve >> > Do you mean Y2K disk? Is this the utility disk. That would be it. > We had the Glenside meeting Thursday night and, we are in the process of > sending the files and directions to our librarian. > But she doesn't know anything about this yet. Would you please advise the list when this is in place? Thanks. -- From Nuxie at aol.com Sat Apr 11 16:59:25 2009 From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:59:25 EDT Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket colors Message-ID: Secrets out! I know now muhahahahahahaha Mary Kramer Glenside Color Computer Club Librarian CoCoNutz! Ezine In a message dated 4/11/2009 12:00:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, briang0671 at sbcglobal.net writes: Steven Hirsch wrote: > Brian, > > I understand that Glenside offers some utility disks that are > restricted to members? What software is available and how does one join? > > Steve > If it's IDE Interface disks you have the one I sent you and the 10/99 Beta on the three web sites. Do you mean Y2K disk? Is this the utility disk. We had the Glenside meeting Thursday night and, we are in the process of sending the files and directions to our librarian. But she doesn't know anything about this yet. **************Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221653545x1201423923/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950004%26p%3D8 2) From devries.bob at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 17:15:13 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:15:13 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> <005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master><01EE51B3-4EB9-405E-BD59-4C3A721A7E7C@pobox.com> <49E09B6F.3080803@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <003b01c9baea$9d112570$0701a8c0@master> The original editor of Australian Rainbow (later to become Australian Coco) was Greg Wilson. When Greg died, Graham Morphett took over. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McDougall" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week > Allen Huffman wrote: > >> Who was the Australian that had the CoCo company or magazine? > > Weren't there two Australian Coco magazines? > > My father knew one of the editors I think, but I can't recall the name of > the guy or the magazine. > > Regards, > > -- > | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it > | | with less resistance!" > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Sat Apr 11 17:16:40 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:16:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <003b01c9baea$9d112570$0701a8c0@master> References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> <005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master> <01EE51B3-4EB9-405E-BD59-4C3A721A7E7C@pobox.com> <49E09B6F.3080803@iinet.net.au> <003b01c9baea$9d112570$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <84702C86-95A8-4B03-8F0A-15332F82C95F@pobox.com> On Apr 11, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > The original editor of Australian Rainbow (later to become > Australian Coco) was Greg Wilson. When Greg died, Graham Morphett > took over. Was this connected to the Falsoft Rainbow? If so, how much content was different? -- A From devries.bob at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 19:00:02 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:00:02 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au><5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com><005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master><01EE51B3-4EB9-405E-BD59-4C3A721A7E7C@pobox.com><49E09B6F.3080803@iinet.net.au> <003b01c9baea$9d112570$0701a8c0@master> <84702C86-95A8-4B03-8F0A-15332F82C95F@pobox.com> Message-ID: <007901c9baf9$572e87a0$0701a8c0@master> The Australian Rainbow was originally a direct copy of the Falsoft magazine, but onto foolscap (216 x 343mm) with the Australian content at the bottom of each page. When Graham Morphett took over, that was changed to a cut-and-paste onto 205 x 275 format, and Australian advertising and content was added. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week > On Apr 11, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Bob Devries wrote: >> The original editor of Australian Rainbow (later to become Australian >> Coco) was Greg Wilson. When Greg died, Graham Morphett took over. > > > Was this connected to the Falsoft Rainbow? If so, how much content was > different? > > -- A > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 11 21:01:38 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:01:38 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <003b01c9baea$9d112570$0701a8c0@master> References: <49DFC4D4.1030402@iinet.net.au> <5EBA8E8A-F1E9-4755-9BEB-C824D57C2C62@pobox.com> <005001c9ba2b$49efeb70$0701a8c0@master><01EE51B3-4EB9-405E-BD59-4C3A721A7E7C@pobox.com> <49E09B6F.3080803@iinet.net.au> <003b01c9baea$9d112570$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <49E13D72.4030303@iinet.net.au> Bob Devries wrote: > The original editor of Australian Rainbow (later to become Australian > Coco) was Greg Wilson. When Greg died, Graham Morphett took over. Yes, that's right - recall the rather tragic circumstances. My father was helping out in the transition - through the Sutherland Coco Users Group run by Ian Annabel. I recall for a few weeks we were actually producing the cassettes at our place. IIRC part of my job was to place the orange? stickers on the tapes. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From ty140 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 11 21:26:30 2009 From: ty140 at hotmail.com (Ty S) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:26:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com> <49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com> <49DFEC3A.7020202@gmail.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DC4@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: Hi Boisy, Like many other people / projects that've come to this list with big ideas [and gone], it'll probably remain incomplete for some time. I haven't had a chance to sit down and write for over a year -- I started writing the book when I was between jobs and have been occupied since then. There were a few hardware projects on that website (and others not mentioned which are scribbled in my notes elsewhere) which are also indefinitely on hold. My schedule doesn't seem to be getting any lighter, but we'll see where I'm at in 5 months or so. I try to find time to go through the posts on this list with the hope that something will give me enough ammo to convince the wife to let me dust off my CoCo on a weekend. I really envy everyone (including yourself) that contributes to this community -- stumbling across this list about 2 years ago reminded me of my CoCo, encouraged me to buy another, and brought back a childhood memory. (I received my CoCo3 when I was 8 -- old enough to star in one of those cheesy Radio Shack commercials of the time.) Kind Regards, Ty > From: boisy at tee-boy.com > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:11:30 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > Ty, > > I went to your website and saw your CoCo 3 Secrets book, and it looks > very promising. Do you have any idea when it might be completed? > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Ty S wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the kind comments! It was created in PSpice, exported as > > a bitmap, then color-coded in an image editor. For most of the ICs, > > I had to create custom (dummy) libraries to get the same pinout as > > what was used in the original schematic to keep the layout consistent. > > > > > > > > If anyone finds an error, please let me know. I checked it a few > > times before posting it, but we're all human... > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Ty > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:44:48 -0700 > >> From: lamune at doki-doki.net > >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > >> > >> Ditto that comment. Ty- what did you use to make this? > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > >>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > >>> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:03 PM > >>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > >>> > >>> I want to thank everyone for the schematics, but I have to say that > >>> "this" schematic is absolutely beautiful! : > >>> > >>> Alan Jones > >>> > >>> -- > >>> N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > >>> http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ty S wrote: > >>>> It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a > >> cleanly > >>> redone schematic at my [defunct] website: > >>>> http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or > >>>> > >>>> http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kind Regards, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Ty > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 > >>>>> From: hyperfrog at gmail.com > >>>>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > >>>>> > >>>>> N8WQ wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the > >>> CoCo 3? > >>>>>> My copy is blurry and not clear. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Alan Jones > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> There is a readable one there : > >>>>> > >>>>> ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Get pages 103 to 128. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Christian > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Coco mailing list > >>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. > >>>> > >>> > >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_04200 > >>> 9 > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Coco mailing list > >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Coco mailing list > >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >>> > >>> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>> Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: > >>> 04/10/09 18:27:00 > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. > > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sat Apr 11 23:24:29 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:24:29 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket Logo In-Reply-To: <49E0C710.8030005@sbcglobal.net> References: <49E0C710.8030005@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49E15EED.30400@bjork-huffman.net> Brian, all attachments for email are larger than the file sent because they are encoded ASCII and not in binary format. It's a hold over from the 7-bit format days of early modems and pre-Internet. Remember, sending a 7-bit character was 9% faster than sending full 8-bit character. An old 500 8-bit character message sent at 110 baud would take 50 seconds. But a 500 7-bit character message send at the same speed would only take 45 seconds. (5 seconds faster.) The extra bit was a big deal till modem speeds hit about 2400 baud or so. But it was too late because encoded ASCII was the standard for attachments. Steve Bjork Brian Goers wrote: > For some reason my Jacket Logo file of 29KB goes out in Email as > 41.7KB. So will have to wait for the moderators approval. > It will come up soon. > Brian From coder32768 at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 00:56:43 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:56:43 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Dynasoft Pascal and Dynasoft C Message-ID: Anyone know where to get copies of these? From alsplace at pobox.com Sun Apr 12 00:58:54 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:58:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Dynasoft Pascal and Dynasoft C In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51368A2C-293B-4081-B680-95CFBC163BF8@pobox.com> Dynasoft C? What is that? From coder32768 at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 03:23:28 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:23:28 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Dynasoft Pascal and Dynasoft C In-Reply-To: <51368A2C-293B-4081-B680-95CFBC163BF8@pobox.com> References: <51368A2C-293B-4081-B680-95CFBC163BF8@pobox.com> Message-ID: They mention it here as Dyna-C http://www.flexusergroup.com/flexusergroup/fug20.htm and I may be wrong in spelling it out. There's also a version for OS/9 - I have a copy, but it is in a storage shed in Tennessee. I am in California. I really need to do something about that, as a side note. There's a lot of stuff in that storage shed I miss. On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > Dynasoft C? What is that? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 06:27:12 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:27:12 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Dynasoft Pascal and Dynasoft C References: <51368A2C-293B-4081-B680-95CFBC163BF8@pobox.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c9bb59$402dda00$0701a8c0@master> There are also Dyna-C source files in the (US) OS9 Usergroup library. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Dynasoft Pascal and Dynasoft C > Dynasoft C? What is that? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 12 07:55:45 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:55:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DeskMate Message-ID: <007501c9bb65$9d612450$d8236cf0$@rr.com> Does anyone have an unaltered (original) image of DeskMate? The only one I could find seems to be customized. Thanks From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 12 08:33:57 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire Message-ID: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> This is probably a very stupid question, but DriveWire will not run with Windows 3.1, will it?? From boisy at tee-boy.com Sun Apr 12 08:50:27 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:50:27 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> References: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1489629E-EF32-4128-88A2-61421B7F6C58@tee-boy.com> Bill, I have serious doubts that the DriveWire Server binary will work under Windows 3.1; that said, I have not actually tried it. Boisy On Apr 12, 2009, at 7:33 AM, Bill wrote: > This is probably a very stupid question, but DriveWire will not run > with > Windows 3.1, will it?? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Sun Apr 12 08:51:38 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:51:38 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket Logo In-Reply-To: <49E15EED.30400@bjork-huffman.net> References: <49E0C710.8030005@sbcglobal.net> <49E15EED.30400@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <20090412125225.7FFC320A13@qs281.pair.com> At 10:24 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote: >Brian, all attachments for email are larger than the file sent >because they are encoded ASCII and not in binary format. >It's a hold over from the 7-bit format days of early modems and pre-Internet. > >Remember, sending a 7-bit character was 9% faster than sending full >8-bit character. > >An old 500 8-bit character message sent at 110 baud would take 50 seconds. >But a 500 7-bit character message send at the same speed would only >take 45 seconds. (5 seconds faster.) > >The extra bit was a big deal till modem speeds hit about 2400 baud >or so. But it was too late because encoded ASCII was the standard >for attachments. ASCII streams also allow for manual entry and EOL termination by keyboard. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 12 10:37:13 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:37:13 +0100 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <1489629E-EF32-4128-88A2-61421B7F6C58@tee-boy.com> References: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> <1489629E-EF32-4128-88A2-61421B7F6C58@tee-boy.com> Message-ID: <49E1FC99.70102@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Boisy Pitre wrote: > Bill, > > I have serious doubts that the DriveWire Server binary will work under > Windows 3.1; that said, I have not actually tried it. IIRC The drivewire server is written in 32bit Delphi, so will not run under windows 3.1. Though if you could get hold of a copy of Delphi 1 it might be possible to port it to run under Win 3.1. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sun Apr 12 11:33:38 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:33:38 -0700 Subject: [Coco] The early (and dark) days of sending data. In-Reply-To: <20090412125225.7FFC320A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <49E0C710.8030005@sbcglobal.net> <49E15EED.30400@bjork-huffman.net> <20090412125225.7FFC320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49E209D2.7050809@bjork-huffman.net> Roger, While ASCII streams did allow manual entry, I nor anyone that I knew back than ever encoded a file by hand. There was always a program around to encoded it, even in the early 70's. By the way, a side effect of 110 baud speed was the delay in how long it would take for the teletype terminal to print what you were keying in. It would take about 200 milliseconds (1/5th of a second) to send the character to the mainframe and send it it back to print it. I could never get over the delay of hitting a key and the pause before I heard it imprint on the paper. Oh yes, the teletype also had its own delay while it lined up the right character to print. After stepping up to CRT terminal at 9600 baud, you could never go back. Yes, those were the days. Dark days. But technology move on. Steve Bjork Roger Taylor wrote: > At 10:24 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote: >> Brian, all attachments for email are larger than the file sent >> because they are encoded ASCII and not in binary format. >> It's a hold over from the 7-bit format days of early modems and >> pre-Internet. >> >> Remember, sending a 7-bit character was 9% faster than sending full >> 8-bit character. >> >> An old 500 8-bit character message sent at 110 baud would take 50 >> seconds. >> But a 500 7-bit character message send at the same speed would only >> take 45 seconds. (5 seconds faster.) >> >> The extra bit was a big deal till modem speeds hit about 2400 baud or >> so. But it was too late because encoded ASCII was the standard for >> attachments. > ASCII streams also allow for manual entry and EOL termination by > keyboard. From snhirsch at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 12:24:13 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <49E1FC99.70102@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> <1489629E-EF32-4128-88A2-61421B7F6C58@tee-boy.com> <49E1FC99.70102@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: >> I have serious doubts that the DriveWire Server binary will work under >> Windows 3.1; that said, I have not actually tried it. > > IIRC The drivewire server is written in 32bit Delphi, so will not run under > windows 3.1. Though if you could get hold of a copy of Delphi 1 it might be > possible to port it to run under Win 3.1. The Linux server works just fine and should run on just about any version of the OS. I built it with no problems on a 64-bit Ubuntu Hardy box. -- From operator at coco3.com Sun Apr 12 13:33:25 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Coco] The early (and dark) days of sending data. In-Reply-To: <49E209D2.7050809@bjork-huffman.net> References: <49E0C710.8030005@sbcglobal.net> <49E15EED.30400@bjork-huffman.net> <20090412125225.7FFC320A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E209D2.7050809@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <20090412173413.78C4420A13@qs281.pair.com> At 10:33 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote: >Roger, >While ASCII streams did allow manual entry, I nor anyone that I >knew back than ever encoded a file by hand. Not always files but commands to a server which can't be typed in binary form. I guess it depends on what all the server does. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 12 13:38:09 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:38:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: References: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> <1489629E-EF32-4128-88A2-61421B7F6C58@tee-boy.com> <49E1FC99.70102@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <008101c9bb95$723b4d20$56b1e760$@rr.com> Well, another of my many NON-accomplishments is Linux. Try as I might, I cannot get Linux to work for me. Better stick to WinDoze. Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:24 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire > > The Linux server works just fine and should run on just about any > version > of the OS. I built it with no problems on a 64-bit Ubuntu Hardy box. > From fwp at deepthought.com Sun Apr 12 14:26:14 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:26:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <008101c9bb95$723b4d20$56b1e760$@rr.com> References: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> <1489629E-EF32-4128-88A2-61421B7F6C58@tee-boy.com> <49E1FC99.70102@aurigae.demon.co.uk> <008101c9bb95$723b4d20$56b1e760$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20090412182614.GA5515@warlock.deepthought.com> Have you tried to install Linux lately? Some will argue that it's easier to install and use then windows. Frank On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 01:38:09PM -0400, Bill wrote: > Well, another of my many NON-accomplishments is Linux. Try as I might, I > cannot get Linux to work for me. Better stick to WinDoze. > > Thanks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:24 PM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire > > > > The Linux server works just fine and should run on just about any > > version > > of the OS. I built it with no problems on a 64-bit Ubuntu Hardy box. > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From snhirsch at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 16:26:04 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <20090412182614.GA5515@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> <1489629E-EF32-4128-88A2-61421B7F6C58@tee-boy.com> <49E1FC99.70102@aurigae.demon.co.uk> <008101c9bb95$723b4d20$56b1e760$@rr.com> <20090412182614.GA5515@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Frank Pittel wrote: > > Have you tried to install Linux lately? Some will argue that it's easier to > install and use then windows. That's the understatement of the year. -- From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Sun Apr 12 17:01:06 2009 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:01:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink Message-ID: <20090412.160106.3912.1.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Where can I get a 40mm fan? What voltage does it require? Does the fan go inside the coco3 case? John On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:44:11 -0700 "Mike Pepe" writes: > While both of those options may reduce power consumption to some > degree, my real world experience suggests the best way to deal with > the CoCo 3 heat problem is to stick a 40mm fan near the PSU area. > I've had a 512k/6809 CoCo running that way for years and years > without issue. (Except maybe a little noise.) > > If you're going to mess around with the PSU, I'd just (and have) > take the Gene approach and just rip out the PSU entirely and run the > thing off an external unit. I recycled an external switcher from an > old dead Telebit router and used it for a CoCo 3/Disto 2MB repack. > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Adolph > ____________________________________________________________ Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning an online degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTKL6gJGRQpwZAVkdmDAGLX8LHY8TmGwcR4JuqbEsxEyTTGAcQghIM/ From coder32768 at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 17:56:20 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:56:20 -0700 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: References: <007601c9bb6a$f38b9b30$daa2d190$@rr.com> <1489629E-EF32-4128-88A2-61421B7F6C58@tee-boy.com> <49E1FC99.70102@aurigae.demon.co.uk> <008101c9bb95$723b4d20$56b1e760$@rr.com> <20090412182614.GA5515@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: +1, they certainly will argue that. Among other things. On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Frank Pittel wrote: > > >> Have you tried to install Linux lately? Some will argue that it's easier >> to >> install and use then windows. >> > > That's the understatement of the year. > > -- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From diegoba at adinet.com.uy Sun Apr 12 18:34:29 2009 From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (Diego Barizo) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:34:29 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Asimov Awards for Color Computer programs Message-ID: <49E26C75.90406@adinet.com.uy> FYI Congratulations to the 2008 winners, Jim Gerrie and Fedor Steeman. The programs are available at http://yaccs.info/AA/aa2008_1.html Thanks to all who have helped this little event for the last 3 years! Diego From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Apr 12 19:51:13 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project Message-ID: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> Hey all, I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that had belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to restore them to working condition. (I can probably only get one working, since there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another one turns up in other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and OS-9 running, and maybe get it to run some old text adventures and such things. If I get real ambitious I might hook up one of those serial<->ethernet/telnet thingies and make it play adventure games over the Internet. First things first though. I'm cataloging the parts and trying to understand the DAT circuit on the CPU board. If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my progress here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ JCE From lamune at doki-doki.net Sun Apr 12 19:57:34 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:57:34 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink In-Reply-To: <20090412.160106.3912.1.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20090412.160106.3912.1.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DCA@fenestra.lamunet.local> John, they aren't hard to find. Jameco, Ebay, Newegg, etc... or scrounge them out of old PCs. They were usually found on 386/486 heatsinks. As for where to mount it, I've had good success mounting it just to the left of the heatsink so it blows directly over it. RTV silicone or double-sided tape mounts it just fine, and yes it doesn't interfere with the keyboard. It runs on 12V which I get directly off the fat rectifier diodes. This voltage is unregulated so you get an audio indicator of how busy the CoCo is. The slower the fan, the busier the machine is. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John T Chasteen > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:01 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Cc: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Voltage Regulator heat sink > > Where can I get a 40mm fan? What voltage does it require? > Does the fan go inside the coco3 case? > > John > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:44:11 -0700 "Mike Pepe" > writes: > > While both of those options may reduce power consumption to some > > degree, my real world experience suggests the best way to deal with > > the CoCo 3 heat problem is to stick a 40mm fan near the PSU area. > > I've had a 512k/6809 CoCo running that way for years and years > > without issue. (Except maybe a little noise.) > > > > If you're going to mess around with the PSU, I'd just (and have) > > take the Gene approach and just rip out the PSU entirely and run the > > thing off an external unit. I recycled an external switcher from an > > old dead Telebit router and used it for a CoCo 3/Disto 2MB repack. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com > > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Adolph > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning > an online degree. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTKL6gJGRQpwZAVkdmDAGL > X8LHY8TmGwcR4JuqbEsxEyTTGAcQghIM/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.53/2054 - Release Date: > 04/11/09 10:51:00 From mechacoco at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 20:08:54 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:08:54 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904121708o32eda0f8pb6310b79c30721d6@mail.gmail.com> On 4/12/09, Joel Ewy wrote: > Hey all, > > I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that had > belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to restore > them to working condition. > > ... I have a notebook full of SWTPc 6809 documentation, technical info, schematics and PCB drawings that I picked up somewhere along the line. Feel free to ask if you need me to look something up. Darren From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 12 20:13:23 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:13:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco printer Message-ID: <008801c9bbcc$ab6dc4b0$02494e10$@rr.com> Has anyone got a small not-being-used printer (one that works) they might get rid of? Thanks From linville at tuxdriver.com Sun Apr 12 20:07:24 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:07:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20090413000724.GC13177@tuxdriver.com> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 06:51:13PM -0500, Joel Ewy wrote: > Hey all, > > I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that had > belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to restore > them to working condition. (I can probably only get one working, since > there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another one turns up in > other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and OS-9 running, and > maybe get it to run some old text adventures and such things. If I get > real ambitious I might hook up one of those serial<->ethernet/telnet > thingies and make it play adventure games over the Internet. First > things first though. I'm cataloging the parts and trying to understand > the DAT circuit on the CPU board. > > If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my progress > here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ > > JCE Just for the record, in my book this is almost completely _on_ topic, especially if/when you get it running OS-9 (or even Flex)... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Apr 12 20:46:13 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:46:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0904121708o32eda0f8pb6310b79c30721d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> <5d802cd0904121708o32eda0f8pb6310b79c30721d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E28B55.4080807@swbell.net> Thanks. Unless it is different from what is already online at swtpc.com, I'm probably set. I wouldn't mind a little more descriptive documentation about actually running the computer than the assembly instructions, and schematics, but between those and the datasheets for the various chips it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out how it's supposed to work. But I'll definitely file this post away in case... JCE Darren A wrote: > On 4/12/09, Joel Ewy wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that had >> belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to restore >> them to working condition. >> >> ... >> > > I have a notebook full of SWTPc 6809 documentation, technical info, > schematics and PCB drawings that I picked up somewhere along the line. > Feel free to ask if you need me to look something up. > > Darren > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Apr 12 20:47:25 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:47:25 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <20090413000724.GC13177@tuxdriver.com> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> <20090413000724.GC13177@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <49E28B9D.7060303@swbell.net> John W. Linville wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 06:51:13PM -0500, Joel Ewy wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that had >> belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to restore >> them to working condition. (I can probably only get one working, since >> there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another one turns up in >> other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and OS-9 running, and >> maybe get it to run some old text adventures and such things. If I get >> real ambitious I might hook up one of those serial<->ethernet/telnet >> thingies and make it play adventure games over the Internet. First >> things first though. I'm cataloging the parts and trying to understand >> the DAT circuit on the CPU board. >> >> If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my progress >> here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ >> >> JCE >> > > Just for the record, in my book this is almost completely _on_ topic, > especially if/when you get it running OS-9 (or even Flex)... > > John > Ok, very slightly OT. :-) JCE From rbihler at msn.com Sun Apr 12 21:18:19 2009 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:18:19 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> Message-ID: Joel Ewy wrote: > Hey all, > > I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that > had belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to > restore them to working condition. (I can probably only get one > working, since there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another > one turns up in other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and > OS-9 running, and maybe get it to run some old text adventures and > such things. If I get real ambitious I might hook up one of those > serial<->ethernet/telnet thingies and make it play adventure games > over the Internet. First things first though. I'm cataloging the > parts and trying to understand the DAT circuit on the CPU board. > > If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my progress > here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ > > JCE > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > Been working on a 6809 SWTPC as well, the machine I have is operational. However it appears the DC-4 floppy controller didn't like shipping and I have not been able to get the Flex boot disk to work. Still a work in process, but a step at a time. Let me know how you do, I would like to get os9 running on the machine as soon as I get the floppy to work again. Have you run the everson emulation? Very cool and I am hoping the rom images from the emulation will work to load OS9. The flex disk formats are very odd, but in the end the controller is not working right. Ron Bihler From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 21:50:17 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week In-Reply-To: <474794990.1231181239587380709.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <935702757.1231501239587417576.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> We sold plenty to folks from north and south of the US borders in the early 80s. North didn't get too far (there's only one country up there) but south went as far as Patagonia. (I worked in RSCCs in Las Vegas and Los Angeles). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net (page has stale links and resume is not up to date as I'm employed at a dead end job with a health plan and if I quit for a short-lived high-pay consulting gig, La Esposa will make me homeless before the first check arrives) The Bible says (in Palms 90:10) that "The days of our years are threescore years and ten", yet Xtians frequently defy G-d's will and continue to preach rather than commit suicide on their 70th birthday. Yeah, the Psalm says you're allowed to live to eighty, but you're going to suffer if you do that, so you might as well just kill yourself. Suicide is not a sin in the Old Testament, and I can't find the spot in the New Testament that changes the status. (This blasphemy is an original from me [wdg3rd], the sort of thing I strive for). ----- "Bob Devries" wrote: > From: "Bob Devries" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:25:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] Countries represented WAS:OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week > > I'm an Australian (Dutch by birth), and have been in the coco > community for > a lot of years, going back to circa 1993 on the Princeton list. > > I remember being asked if I was for real about stating that I'm > Australian > way back then. > > So the US coco community was infiltrated by foreigners a long time > back. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen Huffman" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: CoCo-era "Red Dwarf" sci-fi special next week > > > > On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Mark McDougall wrote: > >> I thought laugh tracks were only there so Yanks knew when to > laugh?? ;) > > > > We seem to have foreigners on this list. When did the CoCo go > global? > > > > So what all countries do we have represented here? (And some of the > RD > > series had live audience laughter, and some seasons did not... I > never > > really noticed at the time, but I'll be reviewing my entire DVD > > collection soon.) > > > > I received a copy of Friday the 13th 4 from Netflix yesterday, and > will > > be finding the CoCo stuff. One scene early on has the boy (a young > Corey > > Feldmen a few years before he was in everything) showing off a room > of > > masks, and a CoCo 1 is seen in the corner of it briefly. I can't > find > > the Zaxxon scene yet, but I'll look more later. > > > > -- Allen > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 21:55:55 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: <1569609108.1232981239587605893.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1541598459.1233981239587755122.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Some of us use both 6809s and Z-80s. And Ira's 80-Micro archive is inaccessible, aside from the covers. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Derek" wrote: > From: "Derek" > To: "CoCo List" > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:26:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? > > I have a large archive of 80 Micro Magazines I can add to the coco > archive. This magazine was for all TRS-80 Systems not just coco so not > sure if folks would get any use out of them. > > Just getting a feel for if I should put these in the archives or not? > > Thanks! > > > ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Apr 12 22:27:09 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:27:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <49E28B9D.7060303@swbell.net> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> <20090413000724.GC13177@tuxdriver.com> <49E28B9D.7060303@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200904122227.09554.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 April 2009, Joel Ewy wrote: >John W. Linville wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 06:51:13PM -0500, Joel Ewy wrote: >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that had >>> belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to restore >>> them to working condition. (I can probably only get one working, since >>> there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another one turns up in >>> other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and OS-9 running, and >>> maybe get it to run some old text adventures and such things. If I get >>> real ambitious I might hook up one of those serial<->ethernet/telnet >>> thingies and make it play adventure games over the Internet. First >>> things first though. I'm cataloging the parts and trying to understand >>> the DAT circuit on the CPU board. >>> >>> If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my progress >>> here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ >>> >>> JCE >> >> Just for the record, in my book this is almost completely _on_ topic, >> especially if/when you get it running OS-9 (or even Flex)... >> >> John > >Ok, very slightly OT. :-) > >JCE Not a bit Joel, I'm waiting for the next chapter right now! -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A long memory is the most subversive idea in America. From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 22:30:54 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket Logo In-Reply-To: <376220789.1245031239589833876.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2110054950.1245171239589854187.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Steve, only you me and Gene are old enough to remember that. (And you're the young'un). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Steve Bjork" <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> wrote: > From: "Steve Bjork" <6809er at bjork-huffman.net> > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:24:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] Glenside Jacket Logo > > Brian, all attachments for email are larger than the file sent because > > they are encoded ASCII and not in binary format. > It's a hold over from the 7-bit format days of early modems and > pre-Internet. > > Remember, sending a 7-bit character was 9% faster than sending full > 8-bit character. > > An old 500 8-bit character message sent at 110 baud would take 50 > seconds. > But a 500 7-bit character message send at the same speed would only > take > 45 seconds. (5 seconds faster.) > > The extra bit was a big deal till modem speeds hit about 2400 baud or > > so. But it was too late because encoded ASCII was the standard for > attachments. > > Steve Bjork > > Brian Goers wrote: > > For some reason my Jacket Logo file of 29KB goes out in Email as > > 41.7KB. So will have to wait for the moderators approval. > > It will come up soon. > > Brian > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Apr 12 22:32:24 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:32:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200904122232.24993.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 12 April 2009, Ron Bihler wrote: >Joel Ewy wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that >> had belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to >> restore them to working condition. (I can probably only get one >> working, since there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another >> one turns up in other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and >> OS-9 running, and maybe get it to run some old text adventures and >> such things. If I get real ambitious I might hook up one of those >> serial<->ethernet/telnet thingies and make it play adventure games >> over the Internet. First things first though. I'm cataloging the >> parts and trying to understand the DAT circuit on the CPU board. >> >> If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my progress >> here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ >> >> JCE >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >Been working on a 6809 SWTPC as well, the machine I have is >operational. However it appears the DC-4 floppy controller didn't like >shipping and I have not been able to get the Flex boot disk to work. >Still a work in process, but a step at a time. > >Let me know how you do, I would like to get os9 running on the machine >as soon as I get the floppy to work again. Have you run the everson >emulation? Very cool and I am hoping the rom images from the emulation >will work to load OS9. The flex disk formats are very odd, but in the >end the controller is not working right. > >Ron Bihler What FDC chip is in that controller? I have had several 1773's go toes up over the years & ATM have NDI where fresh ones can be had. I used up all my spares in the EDISK workalike (but much much better) at the tv station over the years. Or is someone now making clones? For the 1793, the MB8877 (Fujitsu?) works even better, but again, those are false teeth for chickens at best. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A long memory is the most subversive idea in America. From rbihler at msn.com Sun Apr 12 22:39:02 2009 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:39:02 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Glenside Jacket Logo In-Reply-To: <2110054950.1245171239589854187.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2110054950.1245171239589854187.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > Steve, only you me and Gene are old enough to remember that. (And you're the young'un). > I hate to admit I remember these days of teletypes as well. Had to call into the mainframe at 110 baud with the teletype - clunk clunk clunk. We got a Dec running at 300, but the lines where generally busy. I seem to recall dialup speed even slower than 110, but then again that was a long time ago. Stored the programs on Tape via the teletype. At least the speeds all matched up fine (Slow) Ron From rbihler at msn.com Sun Apr 12 22:41:01 2009 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:41:01 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <200904122232.24993.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> <200904122232.24993.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 12 April 2009, Ron Bihler wrote: > >> Joel Ewy wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that >>> had belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to >>> restore them to working condition. (I can probably only get one >>> working, since there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another >>> one turns up in other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and >>> OS-9 running, and maybe get it to run some old text adventures and >>> such things. If I get real ambitious I might hook up one of those >>> serial<->ethernet/telnet thingies and make it play adventure games >>> over the Internet. First things first though. I'm cataloging the >>> parts and trying to understand the DAT circuit on the CPU board. >>> >>> If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my progress >>> here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ >>> >>> JCE >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> Been working on a 6809 SWTPC as well, the machine I have is >> operational. However it appears the DC-4 floppy controller didn't like >> shipping and I have not been able to get the Flex boot disk to work. >> Still a work in process, but a step at a time. >> >> Let me know how you do, I would like to get os9 running on the machine >> as soon as I get the floppy to work again. Have you run the everson >> emulation? Very cool and I am hoping the rom images from the emulation >> will work to load OS9. The flex disk formats are very odd, but in the >> end the controller is not working right. >> >> Ron Bihler >> > > What FDC chip is in that controller? I have had several 1773's go toes up > over the years & ATM have NDI where fresh ones can be had. I used up all my > spares in the EDISK workalike (but much much better) at the tv station over > the years. Or is someone now making clones? For the 1793, the MB8877 > (Fujitsu?) works even better, but again, those are false teeth for chickens at > best. > > Need to look it up again, it's a DC-4 controller and I think the 1773 is correct. Thanks Ron From mechacoco at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 22:45:51 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:45:51 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <200904122232.24993.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> <200904122232.24993.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904121945j1bd68028xe19a14014feb1edd@mail.gmail.com> On 4/12/09, Gene Heskett wrote: > > What FDC chip is in that controller? I have had several 1773's go toes up > over the years & ATM have NDI where fresh ones can be had. I used up all my > spares in the EDISK workalike (but much much better) at the tv station over > the years. Or is someone now making clones? For the 1793, the MB8877 > (Fujitsu?) works even better, but again, those are false teeth for chickens > at > best. Doing a search on eBay for "WD1773" shows 3 listings, one of which is in the TRS-80 category. That seller also has an MB8877A listed. Darren From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 22:53:41 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <163672054.1250011239591117783.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1563797715.1250691239591221520.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Well, he was talking about 'doze 3.1, which was about the last release that worked on everybody's bare metal rather than having a custom CD supplied with the machine. I won't touch 'doze with a stick unless the job requires it (too often), but 3.11 was the last that was marginally acceptable. But by the time that was released I was into Linux and ten years before that I got into Xenix (the only Microsoft OS I ever liked) and OS-9. (Side effect of being a Tandy support geek even at the retail level). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Frank Pittel" wrote: > From: "Frank Pittel" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:26:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire > > Have you tried to install Linux lately? Some will argue that it's > easier to > install and use then windows. > > Frank > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 01:38:09PM -0400, Bill wrote: > > Well, another of my many NON-accomplishments is Linux. Try as I > might, I > > cannot get Linux to work for me. Better stick to WinDoze. > > > > Thanks > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch > > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:24 PM > > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > > Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire > > > > > > The Linux server works just fine and should run on just about any > > > version > > > of the OS. I built it with no problems on a 64-bit Ubuntu Hardy > box. From ed.orbea at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 23:01:31 2009 From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 Profile Message-ID: <49E2AB0B.2010806@gmail.com> I have looked on Maltedmedia, RTSI and Excalibur but I cannot find a pdf version of OS-9 Profile manual. Any ideas as to there else I can look, or is it somewhere I bypassed. Sign me: "confused in Seattle". Ed Orbea From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 23:07:16 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <126813627.1252601239591950424.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4178034.1252761239592036582.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I don't care to argue, as I don't have that much respect for Microsoft products (the last Microsoft product I liked was Multiplan, and they didn't write it). Just show me an example of somebody (not a Microsoft employee or contractor) installing a supported Microsoft OS on bare metal in this millennium. I can do it with any of a dozen Linux distros. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "Rick Taylor" wrote: > From: "Rick Taylor" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:56:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire > > +1, they certainly will argue that. Among other things. > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Steven Hirsch > wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Frank Pittel wrote: > > > > > >> Have you tried to install Linux lately? Some will argue that it's > easier > >> to > >> install and use then windows. > >> > > > > That's the understatement of the year. > > > > -- > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - > not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. > > - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Apr 12 23:07:53 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:07:53 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> <200904122232.24993.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49E2AC89.6010908@swbell.net> Ron Bihler wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 12 April 2009, Ron Bihler wrote: >> >>> Joel Ewy wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that >>>> had belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to >>>> restore them to working condition. (I can probably only get one >>>> working, since there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another >>>> one turns up in other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and >>>> OS-9 running, and maybe get it to run some old text adventures and >>>> such things. If I get real ambitious I might hook up one of those >>>> serial<->ethernet/telnet thingies and make it play adventure games >>>> over the Internet. First things first though. I'm cataloging the >>>> parts and trying to understand the DAT circuit on the CPU board. >>>> >>>> If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my progress >>>> here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ >>>> >>>> JCE >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>> Been working on a 6809 SWTPC as well, the machine I have is >>> operational. However it appears the DC-4 floppy controller didn't like >>> shipping and I have not been able to get the Flex boot disk to work. >>> Still a work in process, but a step at a time. >>> >>> Let me know how you do, I would like to get os9 running on the machine >>> as soon as I get the floppy to work again. Have you run the everson >>> emulation? Very cool and I am hoping the rom images from the emulation >>> will work to load OS9. The flex disk formats are very odd, but in the >>> end the controller is not working right. >>> >>> Ron Bihler >>> >> >> What FDC chip is in that controller? I have had several 1773's go >> toes up over the years & ATM have NDI where fresh ones can be had. I >> used up all my spares in the EDISK workalike (but much much better) >> at the tv station over the years. Or is someone now making clones? >> For the 1793, the MB8877 (Fujitsu?) works even better, but again, >> those are false teeth for chickens at best. >> >> > > Need to look it up again, it's a DC-4 controller and I think the 1773 > is correct. > Thanks > Ron > The DC-4 I've got has a 1797. In my little plastic drawer labeled "WD FDC" I have an FD1797B-02, about 7 2797s, a couple 1793s, and a 765A -- none of which are known to be bad. :-) JCE > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun Apr 12 23:14:32 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:14:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire References: <4178034.1252761239592036582.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: > Just show me an example of somebody > (not a Microsoft employee or contractor) > installing a supported Microsoft OS on > bare metal in this millennium. Been there, done that. 98SE & XP Pro 64 bit. > I can do it with any of a dozen > Linux distros. In most cases LINUX is easier, but I have one unit that runs a "test" of XP Pro quite well, but chokes on LINUX. Bruce W. From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 23:14:53 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <563383777.1253901239592371212.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <247974499.1254321239592493809.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Agreed. In fact, I'm prepared to allow even SWTPC 6800 systems into the discussion. (Ghod, I wanted one back then). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net ----- "John W. Linville" wrote: > From: "John W. Linville" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:07:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 06:51:13PM -0500, Joel Ewy wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I have on loan the remains of two or three SWTPc 6809 computers that > had > > belonged to the late friend of a friend, and I'm going to try to > restore > > them to working condition. (I can probably only get one working, > since > > there only seems to be one CPU board, unless another one turns up in > > > other boxes...) My plan is to try to get Flex and OS-9 running, and > > > maybe get it to run some old text adventures and such things. If I > get > > real ambitious I might hook up one of those serial<->ethernet/telnet > > > thingies and make it play adventure games over the Internet. First > > > things first though. I'm cataloging the parts and trying to > understand > > the DAT circuit on the CPU board. > > > > If you have an interest in such arcana, you can check out my > progress > > here: http://8littlebits.wordpress.com/category/swtpc/ > > > > JCE > > Just for the record, in my book this is almost completely _on_ topic, > especially if/when you get it running OS-9 (or even Flex)... > > John > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Sun Apr 12 23:49:51 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:49:51 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 RBF issue? Message-ID: <20090413034955.37D2420A13@qs281.pair.com> First, let me mention that my own CoCoNetRBF is in use and that my CoCoNet server on the PC is showing to be in idle mode when this happens: I have /dd /d0-/d3 defined as CoCoNet wireless drives. I can do stuff on /dd with no problems: save tmode <-- save some module to see if it appears on the disk, yep it's there del somefile <-- deletes the file as expected chd /d1 save tmode NOS9 locks up at this point, not frozen but as if asleep. You can hit the Clear key and see the cursor flicker each time. The server shows that the CoCo never sent a Write Sector Request, but the last thing it read was drive 1 sector 5 which shows to be the . and .. directory entries for the root directory. Virtual Disk 1 is formatted for 320 tracks, 1 side, (1.44 meg) I tried the same thing for /d3 and NOS-9 froze as well. Again, the keyboard is responsive... so this is not a 6551 trapped loop issue. All I've changed is the boot module, removed the 1773 RBF module and replaced it with CoCoNetRBF, and replaced /d0-/d3 with the CoCoNetRBF versions, so no physical drives are possible in this test copy of NitrOS-9. Now, format /d1 works well. Yep, wipes the virtual disk clean and doing a dir shows 5760 sectors, 5748 free sectors, works every time, but no SAVE is working or something like : echo hello >/d1/test causes the lockup, too. What's going on here? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From rbihler at msn.com Mon Apr 13 00:20:10 2009 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:20:10 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <49E2AC89.6010908@swbell.net> References: <49E27E71.8030102@swbell.net> <200904122232.24993.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49E2AC89.6010908@swbell.net> Message-ID: Joel Ewy wrote: > > The DC-4 I've got has a 1797. In my little plastic drawer labeled "WD > FDC" I have an FD1797B-02, about 7 2797s, a couple 1793s, and a 765A > -- none of which are known to be bad. :-) > > JCE > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > I will need to double check what this one has, we will need to be talking :) Ron From operator at coco3.com Mon Apr 13 00:40:35 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:40:35 -0500 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 RBF issue? In-Reply-To: <20090413034955.37D2420A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090413034955.37D2420A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090413044123.EA8E220A14@qs281.pair.com> Scratch the RBF question. I dug in deep and found that I was not preserving reg.b (LSN MSB) and a later compare of it was falling through wrong. Done, and I'm now back in business with the drives. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 00:48:51 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:48:51 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com><49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com><49DFEC3A.7020202@gmail.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DC4@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <00d501c9bbf3$267ec8e0$0701a8c0@master> Ty, Is there any chance you could wave your magic wand over the PAL version of the coco3 schematic and produce such a great document for that? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ty S" To: Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic Thanks for the kind comments! It was created in PSpice, exported as a bitmap, then color-coded in an image editor. For most of the ICs, I had to create custom (dummy) libraries to get the same pinout as what was used in the original schematic to keep the layout consistent. If anyone finds an error, please let me know. I checked it a few times before posting it, but we're all human... Kind Regards, Ty > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:44:48 -0700 > From: lamune at doki-doki.net > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > Ditto that comment. Ty- what did you use to make this? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:03 PM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > > > I want to thank everyone for the schematics, but I have to say that > > "this" schematic is absolutely beautiful! : > > > > Alan Jones > > > > -- > > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > > > > > Ty S wrote: > > > It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a > cleanly > > redone schematic at my [defunct] website: > > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or > > > > > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 > > >> From: hyperfrog at gmail.com > > >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com > > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > >> > > >> N8WQ wrote: > > >> > > >>> Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the > > CoCo 3? > > >>> My copy is blurry and not clear. > > >>> > > >>> Alan Jones > > >>> > > >>> > > >> There is a readable one there : > > >> > > >> ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ > > >> > > >> Get pages 103 to 128. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Christian > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Coco mailing list > > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >> > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_04200 > > 9 > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: > > 04/10/09 18:27:00 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From wdg3rd at comcast.net Mon Apr 13 04:07:31 2009 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <553259789.1266551239609937815.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> ----- "Bruce W. Calkins" wrote: > From: "Bruce W. Calkins" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:14:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire > > > Just show me an example of somebody > > (not a Microsoft employee or contractor) > > installing a supported Microsoft OS on > > bare metal in this millennium. > Been there, done that. 98SE & XP Pro 64 bit. > > > I can do it with any of a dozen > > Linux distros. > In most cases LINUX is easier, but I have one unit that runs a "test" > of XP > Pro quite well, but chokes on LINUX. Tell me the MOBO models. I can't think of one that will "test" XP and won't run Linux. Does it "run" XP? And while 98SE isn't quite "this millennium", I'd like some details as to what kind of bare metal you inflicted that onto. As in a decade and a half, I haven't found a system (386 & up) that wouldn't boot Linux if it booted Windows 3.11 or later. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net From brucewcalkins at charter.net Mon Apr 13 06:21:48 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:21:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <09EAB4FF90054948BD4B75ACF0E30C46@speedy> >> In most cases LINUX is easier, but I > have one unit that runs a "test" of XP >> Pro quite well, but chokes on LINUX. > > Tell me the MOBO models. I can't think of one that will > "test" XP and won't run Linux. Does it "run" XP? Mainboard model is Intel's CA810E using a Pentium 3. I ran XP Pro on it for a couple years, then I set it up with Ubuntu LINUX for some computerless person. It ran fine when I sent it out, but came back with video issues. My spare PCI card locks it up pre-POST, so I'm suspecting some sort of failure on the mainboard. > And while 98SE isn't quite "this millennium", > I'd like some details as to what kind of bare > metal you inflicted that onto. I run 98 SE on a number of systems. Most are mixed up from whatever parts machines come into the house. My current CoCo emulator is running on a 700 MHz Slot One Pentium 3 without any problems. I also run 98 SE and/or Ubuntu on some small form factor Compaq Deskpro EN's with 1000 MHz Pentium 3s. I seldom have problems putting 98 SE on a machine, but with M$'s WGA I don't bother putting XP on machines that could run it. > As in a decade and a half, I haven't found a > system (386 & up) that wouldn't boot Linux > if it booted Windows 3.11 or later. Yes, I had one 462 AMD board that took LINUX but eschewed Windows 98 SE. From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Mon Apr 13 07:27:22 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:27:22 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] hot coco janurary 1985 scanned and uploading Message-ID: like it says, all 100 pages of this are scanned in my usual of 300 dpi full colour pdf file size is 157 meg , just a single pdf on its own, no ras or anything else i have created a directory in the excalibur1 upload directroy just for hot coco mags im scanning feburary now and i have not checked but im sure i have the complete set of 1985 and then some to do enjoy From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Apr 13 11:17:21 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:17:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 13 April 2009, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >----- "Bruce W. Calkins" wrote: >> From: "Bruce W. Calkins" >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:14:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire >> >> > Just show me an example of somebody >> > (not a Microsoft employee or contractor) >> > installing a supported Microsoft OS on >> > bare metal in this millennium. >> >> Been there, done that. 98SE & XP Pro 64 bit. >> >> > I can do it with any of a dozen >> > Linux distros. >> >> In most cases LINUX is easier, but I have one unit that runs a "test" >> of XP >> Pro quite well, but chokes on LINUX. > >Tell me the MOBO models. I can't think of one that will "test" XP and won't > run Linux. Does it "run" XP? And while 98SE isn't quite "this > millennium", I'd like some details as to what kind of bare metal you > inflicted that onto. As in a decade and a half, I haven't found a system > (386 & up) that wouldn't boot Linux if it booted Windows 3.11 or later. IIRC linux won't run on a 386-SX, or at least I couldn't get it to fly many years ago. W-95 ran on it ok. Glacial speeds though... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 10) there is no 10, but it sounded like a nice number :) -- Wichert Akkerman From fwp at deepthought.com Mon Apr 13 12:06:45 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:06:45 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090413160645.GC5515@warlock.deepthought.com> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:17:21AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 April 2009, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > >----- "Bruce W. Calkins" wrote: > >> From: "Bruce W. Calkins" > >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > >> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:14:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire > >> > >> > Just show me an example of somebody > >> > (not a Microsoft employee or contractor) > >> > installing a supported Microsoft OS on > >> > bare metal in this millennium. > >> > >> Been there, done that. 98SE & XP Pro 64 bit. > >> > >> > I can do it with any of a dozen > >> > Linux distros. > >> > >> In most cases LINUX is easier, but I have one unit that runs a "test" > >> of XP > >> Pro quite well, but chokes on LINUX. > > > >Tell me the MOBO models. I can't think of one that will "test" XP and won't > > run Linux. Does it "run" XP? And while 98SE isn't quite "this > > millennium", I'd like some details as to what kind of bare metal you > > inflicted that onto. As in a decade and a half, I haven't found a system > > (386 & up) that wouldn't boot Linux if it booted Windows 3.11 or later. > > IIRC linux won't run on a 386-SX, or at least I couldn't get it to fly many > years ago. W-95 ran on it ok. Glacial speeds though... I never had a problem getting linux to run on my 386-sx at the time. Bringing this conversation back to the modern era. I've had little trouble getting Linux to run on modern hardware for years. While I haven't confirmed it first hand I've heard rumors that Linux works with more hardware then vista. I would also like to again suggest that people that tried linux and had problems with hardware support more then 5 years ago try it now with a current release of say Ubuntu. (not my favorite but it works well) From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Apr 13 11:37:05 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:37:05 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49E35C21.60206@swbell.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 April 2009, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > >> ----- "Bruce W. Calkins" wrote: >> >>> From: "Bruce W. Calkins" >>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:14:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire >>> >>> >>>> Just show me an example of somebody >>>> (not a Microsoft employee or contractor) >>>> installing a supported Microsoft OS on >>>> bare metal in this millennium. >>>> >>> Been there, done that. 98SE & XP Pro 64 bit. >>> >>> >>>> I can do it with any of a dozen >>>> Linux distros. >>>> >>> In most cases LINUX is easier, but I have one unit that runs a "test" >>> of XP >>> Pro quite well, but chokes on LINUX. >>> >> Tell me the MOBO models. I can't think of one that will "test" XP and won't >> run Linux. Does it "run" XP? And while 98SE isn't quite "this >> millennium", I'd like some details as to what kind of bare metal you >> inflicted that onto. As in a decade and a half, I haven't found a system >> (386 & up) that wouldn't boot Linux if it booted Windows 3.11 or later. >> > > IIRC linux won't run on a 386-SX, or at least I couldn't get it to fly many > years ago. W-95 ran on it ok. Glacial speeds though... > > Current kernels won't, but it certainly did in the past. My first Linux installation was a '386-SX/40 with 16M of RAM and a couple 40M MFM drives (Well, one of them only formatted to about 32M after I opened the case and dug out a broken-off R/W head [I know, don't EVER do this -- it was ruined anyway, and worked fine for me until I replaced them with a 100M IDE drive. Just used it for swap, anyway...]). It was SLS (Soft Landing Systems, which I believe was a proto-Slackware...) downloaded from Delphi at 14.4 in the form of 10 1.44M floppy images. Must have been somewhere around 1993 or 1994, I guess. Still have the disks. So yes, it did at one time run on a '386-SX. The main problem with those systems at the time was the 16MB RAM limitation, though it seemed like a pretty fair amount of memory back then. It even ran X, though there weren't many interesting X applications to use at that point. The hard drives were probably the real bottleneck on that system. JCE From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 13 12:09:41 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:09:41 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Hard disk repairs, was Linux, was Drivewire.... In-Reply-To: <49E35C21.60206@swbell.net> References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49E35C21.60206@swbell.net> Message-ID: <49E363C5.4050007@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Joel Ewy wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > Current kernels won't, but it certainly did in the past. My first Linux > installation was a '386-SX/40 with 16M of RAM and a couple 40M MFM > drives (Well, one of them only formatted to about 32M after I opened the > case and dug out a broken-off R/W head [I know, don't EVER do this -- it > was ruined anyway, and worked fine for me until I replaced them with a > 100M IDE drive. Just used it for swap, anyway...]). Humm glad to know I'm not the only one to have done this, in my case it was a full height MFM 5.25" drive, the problem for me was that the head that had crashed was head 0 so the drive would not even spin up. So I whiped out my soldering iron and cut the connections to head 0 and 3, and swapped them, worked fine as a 15MB drive for a couple of years after that, mind I only ever used it as a test drive. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Apr 13 12:22:31 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:22:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Hard disk repairs, was Linux, was Drivewire.... In-Reply-To: <49E363C5.4050007@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49E35C21.60206@swbell.net> <49E363C5.4050007@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E366C7.1050108@swbell.net> Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: > Joel Ewy wrote: >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> Current kernels won't, but it certainly did in the past. My first >> Linux installation was a '386-SX/40 with 16M of RAM and a couple 40M >> MFM drives (Well, one of them only formatted to about 32M after I >> opened the case and dug out a broken-off R/W head [I know, don't EVER >> do this -- it was ruined anyway, and worked fine for me until I >> replaced them with a 100M IDE drive. Just used it for swap, >> anyway...]). > > Humm glad to know I'm not the only one to have done this, in my case > it was a full height MFM 5.25" drive, the problem for me was that the > head that had crashed was head 0 so the drive would not even spin up. > So I whiped out my soldering iron and cut the connections to head 0 > and 3, and swapped them, worked fine as a 15MB drive for a couple of > years after that, mind I only ever used it as a test drive. > > Cheers. > > Phill. > Mine was a half-height 5.25" Seagate ST 251 IIRC. In my case it was an easier fix, since it was the last head rather than the first. The loose head was impeding the travel of the head assembly, so I dug it out, told the BIOS format routine the drive had 3 heads instead of 4, and gave it a try, more than half expecting it to fail. But it worked. JCE From adit at nationsdial.com Mon Apr 13 12:50:18 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans Message-ID: <5FC3DADC-3A11-42EF-8DA6-B3E83DFD8513@nationsdial.com> I'm working on cleaning up some scans for the CoCo/OS9 Archive and these are particularly speckled (way too bad to fix by hand). Does anyone know a Mac graphics program (other than Photoshop, whose price is out of this world) that has a 'depseckle' filter? Thanks! Dean From fwp at deepthought.com Mon Apr 13 13:49:40 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:49:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <5FC3DADC-3A11-42EF-8DA6-B3E83DFD8513@nationsdial.com> References: <5FC3DADC-3A11-42EF-8DA6-B3E83DFD8513@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: <20090413174940.GD5515@warlock.deepthought.com> You may want to take a look at gimp. I use photoshop and don't know for sure how well it'll work. Frank On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 09:50:18AM -0700, Dean Leiber wrote: > I'm working on cleaning up some scans for the CoCo/OS9 Archive and these > are particularly speckled (way too bad to fix by hand). Does anyone know > a Mac graphics program (other than Photoshop, whose price is out of this > world) that has a 'depseckle' filter? Thanks! > > Dean > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Mon Apr 13 13:38:00 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:38:00 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Hard disk repairs, was Linux, was Drivewire.... In-Reply-To: <49E363C5.4050007@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net><49E35C21.60206@swbell.net> <49E363C5.4050007@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1F6@fenestra.lamunet.local> Make that 3 then. I successfully resoldered a head wire on a full height 5.25" MFM drive as well. Tolerances weren't quite so tight back then. Running a modern drive with the cover off results in data death in 30 seconds or less. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Phill Harvey-Smith Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:10 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] Hard disk repairs, was Linux, was Drivewire.... Joel Ewy wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > Current kernels won't, but it certainly did in the past. My first Linux > installation was a '386-SX/40 with 16M of RAM and a couple 40M MFM > drives (Well, one of them only formatted to about 32M after I opened the > case and dug out a broken-off R/W head [I know, don't EVER do this -- it > was ruined anyway, and worked fine for me until I replaced them with a > 100M IDE drive. Just used it for swap, anyway...]). Humm glad to know I'm not the only one to have done this, in my case it was a full height MFM 5.25" drive, the problem for me was that the head that had crashed was head 0 so the drive would not even spin up. So I whiped out my soldering iron and cut the connections to head 0 and 3, and swapped them, worked fine as a 15MB drive for a couple of years after that, mind I only ever used it as a test drive. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00 From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Apr 13 14:25:04 2009 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:25:04 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <20090413174940.GD5515@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <5FC3DADC-3A11-42EF-8DA6-B3E83DFD8513@nationsdial.com> <20090413174940.GD5515@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <49E38380.90800@swbell.net> GIMP rocks. JCE Frank Pittel wrote: > You may want to take a look at gimp. I use photoshop and don't know for sure > how well it'll work. > > Frank > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 09:50:18AM -0700, Dean Leiber wrote: > >> I'm working on cleaning up some scans for the CoCo/OS9 Archive and these >> are particularly speckled (way too bad to fix by hand). Does anyone know >> a Mac graphics program (other than Photoshop, whose price is out of this >> world) that has a 'depseckle' filter? Thanks! >> >> Dean >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From t.fadden at cox.net Mon Apr 13 14:51:18 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans Message-ID: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> GIGO. If you start with a bad scan, your gunna have a bad scan forever. To all the people that complain that the files are too big, bad scans are what your gunna get. The Djvu are OK, but I don't particularly like them myself. I like the original scans much better. In todays world where 1 terrabyte drives are under $100, and dvd's are less than 20 cents. I can't understand why anyone would give up quality for size. Just my grumpy old opinion, so don't get your shorts in a knot! :-) Which documents are you refering to? perhaps some one could make new scans. Tim On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM , Joel Ewy wrote: > GIMP rocks. > > JCE > > Frank Pittel wrote: >> You may want to take a look at gimp. I use photoshop and don't know >> for sure >> how well it'll work. >> >> Frank >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 09:50:18AM -0700, Dean Leiber wrote: >> >>> I'm working on cleaning up some scans for the CoCo/OS9 Archive and >>> these are particularly speckled (way too bad to fix by hand). Does >>> anyone know a Mac graphics program (other than Photoshop, whose >>> price is out of this world) that has a 'depseckle' filter? Thanks! >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Mon Apr 13 15:48:15 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:48:15 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Somewhat OT - SWTPC 6809 Restoration Project In-Reply-To: <247974499.1254321239592493809.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <563383777.1253901239592371212.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <247974499.1254321239592493809.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090413194815.GA14664@virgo.sdc.org> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 03:14:53AM +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > Agreed. In fact, I'm prepared to allow even SWTPC 6800 systems into > the discussion. (Ghod, I wanted one back then). Over on the FLEX list, if it's still alive, they've had 6800 FLEX running on HC11's for years. I don't know what they've been up to lately, though. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From adit at nationsdial.com Mon Apr 13 19:39:46 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> References: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <8A8D66EB-5C5D-4676-894F-EFE563DFC0E2@nationsdial.com> On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:51 AM, t.fadden at cox.net wrote: > > Which documents are you refering to? perhaps some one could make > new scans. > > I'm working on a Tele-Forth Manual for the Dragon. The original document was rather lousy (Black DMP Printing on dark orange paper!) Now, the scans are high enough resolution, but its the fact that the original documents are the problem. However, I've been able to convert them to B/W making them actually readable (more so than the original!) however I get a lot of speckling in the process. I'll never get them to be pristine but its way too much to clean by hand (which I actually do on a lot of scans) so I was hoping for a filter to remove at least some of the problem (I recall Photoshop 3 had a de-speckle filter.) However, I'll probably have to leave them as is, but at least I can read them now! Dean From t.fadden at cox.net Mon Apr 13 20:14:01 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:14:01 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <8A8D66EB-5C5D-4676-894F-EFE563DFC0E2@nationsdial.com> References: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> <8A8D66EB-5C5D-4676-894F-EFE563DFC0E2@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: <49E3D549.6090807@cox.net> Dean, I will take a look at one and see if I can do any thing. I use Paint Shop Pro. It has a paint fill tool that you can pick a color variance, like medium orange to white, and turn it all white, Or, medium grey to black and turn it all black. Works good for some stuff. I saw some black and white documents that looked like copies of old copies of copies ...... with tons of specs on. I thought you may be talking of them. Tim Fadden Dean Leiber wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:51 AM, t.fadden at cox.net wrote: >> >> Which documents are you refering to? perhaps some one could make new >> scans. >> >> > > I'm working on a Tele-Forth Manual for the Dragon. The original > document was rather lousy (Black DMP Printing on dark orange paper!) > Now, the scans are high enough resolution, but its the fact that the > original documents are the problem. However, I've been able to convert > them to B/W making them actually readable (more so than the original!) > however I get a lot of speckling in the process. I'll never get them > to be pristine but its way too much to clean by hand (which I actually > do on a lot of scans) so I was hoping for a filter to remove at least > some of the problem (I recall Photoshop 3 had a de-speckle filter.) > However, I'll probably have to leave them as is, but at least I can > read them now! > > Dean > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From adit at nationsdial.com Mon Apr 13 21:17:59 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:17:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <49E3D549.6090807@cox.net> References: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> <8A8D66EB-5C5D-4676-894F-EFE563DFC0E2@nationsdial.com> <49E3D549.6090807@cox.net> Message-ID: On Apr 13, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > Dean, > > I will take a look at one and see if I can do any thing. I use > Paint Shop Pro. It has a paint fill tool that you can pick a color > variance, like medium orange to white, and turn it all white, Or, > medium grey to black and turn it all black. Works good for some > stuff. I saw some black and white documents that looked like > copies of old copies of copies ...... with tons of specs on. I > thought you may be talking of them. > > Actually when I convert it from Color to B/W, it does make it look like a 5th generation Xerox. I can tone down on the 'speckles' during the conversion, but then the text isn't as clear. So, I opted for readability and thought I'd try to do some de-speckle work on the results. The whole problem is that the background color is far too 'near' the text color. Well, I probably won't spend too much time on it now, since I have a number of other documents in my queue waiting to be archived;I just thought someone might have a quick solution. If you'd like a page to play around with let me know. I don't want to clog your in-box unnecessarily tho. Dean From fwp at deepthought.com Mon Apr 13 22:04:22 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:04:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: References: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> <8A8D66EB-5C5D-4676-894F-EFE563DFC0E2@nationsdial.com> <49E3D549.6090807@cox.net> Message-ID: <20090414020422.GA28671@warlock.deepthought.com> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 06:17:59PM -0700, Dean Leiber wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > >> Dean, >> >> I will take a look at one and see if I can do any thing. I use Paint >> Shop Pro. It has a paint fill tool that you can pick a color >> variance, like medium orange to white, and turn it all white, Or, >> medium grey to black and turn it all black. Works good for some >> stuff. I saw some black and white documents that looked like copies of >> old copies of copies ...... with tons of specs on. I thought you may >> be talking of them. >> >> > > Actually when I convert it from Color to B/W, it does make it look like a > 5th generation Xerox. I can tone down on the 'speckles' during the > conversion, but then the text isn't as clear. So, I opted for > readability and thought I'd try to do some de-speckle work on the > results. The whole problem is that the background color is far too > 'near' the text color. Well, I probably won't spend too much time on it > now, since I have a number of other documents in my queue waiting to be > archived;I just thought someone might have a quick solution. If you'd > like a page to play around with let me know. I don't want to clog your > in-box unnecessarily tho. Have you tried scanning as a B/W? From davehazelton at comcast.net Mon Apr 13 23:25:34 2009 From: davehazelton at comcast.net (David Hazelton) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:25:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49E4022E.3060708@comcast.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 April 2009, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > >> ----- "Bruce W. Calkins" wrote: >> >>> From: "Bruce W. Calkins" >>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:14:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire >>> >>> >>>> Just show me an example of somebody >>>> (not a Microsoft employee or contractor) >>>> installing a supported Microsoft OS on >>>> bare metal in this millennium. >>>> >>> Been there, done that. 98SE & XP Pro 64 bit. >>> >>> >>>> I can do it with any of a dozen >>>> Linux distros. >>>> >>> In most cases LINUX is easier, but I have one unit that runs a "test" >>> of XP >>> Pro quite well, but chokes on LINUX. >>> >> Tell me the MOBO models. I can't think of one that will "test" XP and won't >> run Linux. Does it "run" XP? And while 98SE isn't quite "this >> millennium", I'd like some details as to what kind of bare metal you >> inflicted that onto. As in a decade and a half, I haven't found a system >> (386 & up) that wouldn't boot Linux if it booted Windows 3.11 or later. >> > > IIRC linux won't run on a 386-SX, or at least I couldn't get it to fly many > years ago. W-95 ran on it ok. Glacial speeds though... > > Well I had a Athlon 600 (the original Athlon Slot-A) that ran 95, 98 and wouldn't run 2000 for more than a day before it crashed. Ran Centos on it for years until one of the updates was a kernel update update that didn't like the Athlon. Had to remove the kernel update....That sucked. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 14 00:11:05 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:11:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire In-Reply-To: <49E4022E.3060708@comcast.net> References: <876640250.1266601239610051522.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <200904131117.21760.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49E4022E.3060708@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200904140011.05918.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 13 April 2009, David Hazelton wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Monday 13 April 2009, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >>> ----- "Bruce W. Calkins" wrote: >>>> From: "Bruce W. Calkins" >>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:14:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] DriveWire >>>> >>>>> Just show me an example of somebody >>>>> (not a Microsoft employee or contractor) >>>>> installing a supported Microsoft OS on >>>>> bare metal in this millennium. >>>> >>>> Been there, done that. 98SE & XP Pro 64 bit. >>>> >>>>> I can do it with any of a dozen >>>>> Linux distros. >>>> >>>> In most cases LINUX is easier, but I have one unit that runs a "test" >>>> of XP >>>> Pro quite well, but chokes on LINUX. >>> >>> Tell me the MOBO models. I can't think of one that will "test" XP and >>> won't run Linux. Does it "run" XP? And while 98SE isn't quite "this >>> millennium", I'd like some details as to what kind of bare metal you >>> inflicted that onto. As in a decade and a half, I haven't found a system >>> (386 & up) that wouldn't boot Linux if it booted Windows 3.11 or later. >> >> IIRC linux won't run on a 386-SX, or at least I couldn't get it to fly >> many years ago. W-95 ran on it ok. Glacial speeds though... > >Well I had a Athlon 600 (the original Athlon Slot-A) that ran 95, 98 and >wouldn't run 2000 for more than a day before it crashed. Ran Centos on >it for years until one of the updates was a kernel update update that >didn't like the Athlon. Had to remove the kernel update....That sucked. Been building my own kernels since about '98 or so. Currently running 2.6.29.1-rc2. I'll probably be on 2.6.30-rc2 in a day or two when its turned loose by Linus. I still have a K6-III 500mhz, but haven't booted it in quite a while. Ran it as a firewall back then. Now I use an x86 version of dd-wrt on a stripped out K6-II, no drives, boots from a CF card in an ide-cf adapter. A full router setup. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) For gin, in cruel Sober truth, Supplies the fuel For flaming youth. -- Noel Coward From adit at nationsdial.com Tue Apr 14 02:31:57 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:31:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <20090414020422.GA28671@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> <8A8D66EB-5C5D-4676-894F-EFE563DFC0E2@nationsdial.com> <49E3D549.6090807@cox.net> <20090414020422.GA28671@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <86A78991-4C20-41B9-965C-CC7F0360C107@nationsdial.com> On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: > > Have you tried scanning as a B/W? > Actually its a file someone else scanned, but since the background is so dark that probably wouldn't work. However I have found a work around, sort of. I'm doing as much as I can on my new Mac, and then moving it to an older mac I had sitting in a corner which I found had a really old version of photoshop (Isn't it nice when friends pass on their old tech :-D ) It hasn't been on in 3 yrs but started right up without a complaint. Once there I'll fix the scans up and then move them back to the new mac. It would have been nice (and faster) to do it all on one system, but there you go. Thanks for everyone's help tho! Dean From adit at nationsdial.com Tue Apr 14 04:27:47 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:27:47 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: <1541598459.1233981239587755122.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1541598459.1233981239587755122.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Apr 12, 2009, at 6:55 PM, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > Some of us use both 6809s and Z-80s. And Ira's 80-Micro archive is > inaccessible, aside from the covers. > > -- > Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net Ira's archive of all things TRS-80 will probably never see the light of day ever again (aside from the covers as mentioned.) He's leery of the copyright cops, and is waiting for the copyright laws to change before he'll distribute anything ever again. It's his archive, so its his perogative and I have no inclination to argue with or cajole him on the matter. However, for all real intents and purposes, Ira's archive has effectively ceased to exist. If you want any 80-micros (or whatever) which are not already in the CoCo archives, we'll have to do them ourselves. Personally I hate this kind of duplication of effort, but there you have it. Dean From snhirsch at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 07:12:19 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: References: <1541598459.1233981239587755122.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Dean Leiber wrote: > Ira's archive of all things TRS-80 will probably never see the light of day > ever again (aside from the covers as mentioned.) He's leery of the copyright > cops, and is waiting for the copyright laws to change before he'll distribute > anything ever again. It's his archive, so its his perogative and I have no > inclination to argue with or cajole him on the matter. However, for all real > intents and purposes, Ira's archive has effectively ceased to exist. If you > want any 80-micros (or whatever) which are not already in the CoCo archives, > we'll have to do them ourselves. Personally I hate this kind of duplication > of effort, but there you have it. I don't know who Ira is, but I wonder if he's considered contacting the copyright holder for permission to post them? -- From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Tue Apr 14 07:51:20 2009 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:51:20 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: References: <1541598459.1233981239587755122.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49E478B8.60200@iinet.net.au> Steven Hirsch wrote: > I don't know who Ira is, but I wonder if he's considered contacting the > copyright holder for permission to post them? IIUC, there's more to it than copyright issues. There's also politics involved, though I'm not aware of the details. I could be wrong - anyone? Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From os9dude at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 08:46:32 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: <49E478B8.60200@iinet.net.au> References: <1541598459.1233981239587755122.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49E478B8.60200@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5631e580904140546g33e4327al776b81fa5c14e3da@mail.gmail.com> [[[ waving a white flag ]]] May I suggest dropping this thread... issue has been extensively (and at times passionately) covered before. If anyone has 80 Micro magazines or whatever hardcopy content to scan and willing to publicly share, feel free to do so, even if it has been done before. See how smooth the "excalibur ftp" (as I call it) project has been going :-) -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Mark McDougall wrote: > Steven Hirsch wrote: > >> I don't know who Ira is, but I wonder if he's considered contacting the >> copyright holder for permission to post them? > > IIUC, there's more to it than copyright issues. There's also politics > involved, though I'm not aware of the details. I could be wrong - anyone? From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Tue Apr 14 09:44:27 2009 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:44:27 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? Message-ID: <20090414.084427.4784.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> I googled "excalibur ftp" and couldn't find anything coco related. Any suggestions? John On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:46:32 -0400 Rogelio Perea writes: > [[[ waving a white flag ]]] > > > See how smooth the "excalibur ftp" (as I call it) project has been > going :-) > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Mark McDougall > wrote: > > Steven Hirsch wrote: > > ____________________________________________________________ Give back to your community. Click here to start a new career as a Police officer. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEe1Vv9jFMyt4wzniVtTVC4Y3oQt5nu1iSoHfeP9bS2QyO1VEEaw4/ From t.fadden at cox.net Tue Apr 14 09:50:27 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:50:27 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: <20090414.084427.4784.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20090414.084427.4784.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <49E494A3.8020100@cox.net> If your uploading, its excalibur1.net login cocoshare, password share. If your downloading, its http://excalibur1.net/coco/ John T Chasteen wrote: > I googled "excalibur ftp" and couldn't find anything coco related. > > Any suggestions? > > John > > > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:46:32 -0400 Rogelio Perea > writes: > >> [[[ waving a white flag ]]] >> >> >> See how smooth the "excalibur ftp" (as I call it) project has been >> going :-) >> >> >> >> -=[ Rogelio ]=- >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Mark McDougall >> wrote: >> >>> Steven Hirsch wrote: >>> >>> > ____________________________________________________________ > Give back to your community. Click here to start a new career as a Police officer. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEe1Vv9jFMyt4wzniVtTVC4Y3oQt5nu1iSoHfeP9bS2QyO1VEEaw4/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 10:02:09 2009 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:02:09 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I actually downloaded most or all of the 80-Micro scans while they were available. I think they are on a hard drive of a computer I have in storage at the moment. They might also be on a backup somewhere here. From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Tue Apr 14 10:19:16 2009 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:19:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DeskMate Message-ID: <20090414.091916.4784.3.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Hi coco Fan If you don't get an image file, send me an e-mail and I think I have several original disk. I can't do anything now because I'm in the hospital now recovering from and being treated for low blood pressure the last four days. They think I had an infection... things seem to be back to normal now. I don't know how to use drivewire but I will mail you a copy when I get home if you need it John On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:55:45 -0400 "Bill" writes: > Does anyone have an unaltered (original) image of DeskMate? The only > one I > could find seems to be customized. > > Thanks > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right stock, bonds, and mutual funds. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFOGdhSGRQqasI0HKbfpsPESRCduOL5f1gLnlxS2m8AGuZ0enJjbC/ From keeper63 at cox.net Tue Apr 14 11:13:15 2009 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:13:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire - Frank, Joel - OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E4A80B.5010606@cox.net> Frank, This is OT, but I am kinda curious - I've been running *nix in some form or another since 1995, and I have found Ubuntu to be "best in class" as far as ease of installation, software selection, hardware compatibility (I am constantly amazed by this one), and ease of usability. Prior to Ubuntu 8.10, I ran Mandrake 10.1 (big leap), prior to that Debian Woody, etc - back to TurboLinux 2.0 (ok, MonkeyLinux over DOS running on a 386 laptop. but I don't know if that counts). What is it about Ubuntu don't you like (as a workstation OS - if we were talking server OS it would be a different convo)? Not trying to start an argument here. Which Linux (or any *nix) distro do you like the most for workstations? --- Joel, You wouldn't happen to have those proto-SLS disks handy, would you? Somewhere (if I still have it) I have a 386DX40 mobo that is itching to be fired up again, though I don't know if I have enough memory for *nix (last I remember I only had 8 meg in it), I was think either some old-school *nix or OpenDOS. It would be hilarious to see it run *nix, tho. --- On a more CoCo related note - was there ever an ethernet network "card" made for the CoCo (ie, a cartridge or something) that worked under OS-9? I seem to recall there was something a long time ago (I was a kid at the time and my parents couldn't afford it, nor did I have anything to hook it up to), but I may be foggy. -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From snhirsch at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 11:21:53 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] DriveWire - Frank, Joel - OT In-Reply-To: <49E4A80B.5010606@cox.net> References: <49E4A80B.5010606@cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Andrew wrote: > You wouldn't happen to have those proto-SLS disks handy, would you? Somewhere > (if I still have it) I have a 386DX40 mobo that is itching to be fired up > again, though I don't know if I have enough memory for *nix (last I remember > I only had 8 meg in it), I was think either some old-school *nix or OpenDOS. > It would be hilarious to see it run *nix, tho. Early versions of almost all the major distros should run fine on that system. If you have trouble finding the CD images, contact me privately. > On a more CoCo related note - was there ever an ethernet network "card" made > for the CoCo (ie, a cartridge or something) that worked under OS-9? I seem to > recall there was something a long time ago (I was a kid at the time and my > parents couldn't afford it, nor did I have anything to hook it up to), but I > may be foggy. I doubt an ethernet card ever existed. Chuck Youse was working on one, but he sort of freaked out over runaway political discussions last fall, sold off all CoCo related items and disappeared. -- From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Apr 14 12:06:39 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:06:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire - Frank, Joel - OT In-Reply-To: <49E4A80B.5010606@cox.net> References: <49E4A80B.5010606@cox.net> Message-ID: <20090414160639.GB28671@warlock.deepthought.com> Andrew, Interestingly enough the things I don't like about Ubuntu are the very reasons I recommend it to people new to linux/unix. My problem with it is that it's hard to do much without the GUI and tends to be very "mousey". I work as a Unix sys admin and most of what I do on a server is via the command line. Also when I first started using linux my video card wasn't supported by X and as a result everything I did was through the command line on the console. To make a long story short I like using the command line and I like it. The linux distribution I use on my machines at home is Fedora. I tried Redhat when was first released and I like it. I've tried others but always go back to Redhat. I'm not saying it's the best but I'm used to it and it does what I need it to do. Frank On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:13:15AM -0700, Andrew wrote: > Frank, > > This is OT, but I am kinda curious - I've been running *nix in some form > or another since 1995, and I have found Ubuntu to be "best in class" as > far as ease of installation, software selection, hardware compatibility > (I am constantly amazed by this one), and ease of usability. Prior to > Ubuntu 8.10, I ran Mandrake 10.1 (big leap), prior to that Debian Woody, > etc - back to TurboLinux 2.0 (ok, MonkeyLinux over DOS running on a 386 > laptop. but I don't know if that counts). > > What is it about Ubuntu don't you like (as a workstation OS - if we were > talking server OS it would be a different convo)? Not trying to start an > argument here. Which Linux (or any *nix) distro do you like the most for > workstations? > > --- > > Joel, > > You wouldn't happen to have those proto-SLS disks handy, would you? > Somewhere (if I still have it) I have a 386DX40 mobo that is itching to > be fired up again, though I don't know if I have enough memory for *nix > (last I remember I only had 8 meg in it), I was think either some > old-school *nix or OpenDOS. It would be hilarious to see it run *nix, > tho. > > --- > > On a more CoCo related note - was there ever an ethernet network "card" > made for the CoCo (ie, a cartridge or something) that worked under OS-9? > I seem to recall there was something a long time ago (I was a kid at the > time and my parents couldn't afford it, nor did I have anything to hook > it up to), but I may be foggy. > > -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Tue Apr 14 11:52:01 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:52:01 -0700 Subject: [Coco] DriveWire - Frank, Joel - OT In-Reply-To: <49E4A80B.5010606@cox.net> References: <49E4A80B.5010606@cox.net> Message-ID: <49E4B121.5090006@bjork-huffman.net> Since you even state that it is off topic, please take it off the CoCo list! You can just email each other directly. > Frank, > > This is OT, but I am kinda curious - I've been running *nix in some > form or another since 1995, and I have found Ubuntu to be "best in > class" as far as ease of installation, software selection, hardware > compatibility (I am constantly amazed by this one), and ease of > usability. Prior to Ubuntu 8.10, I ran Mandrake 10.1 (big leap), prior > to that Debian Woody, etc - back to TurboLinux 2.0 (ok, MonkeyLinux > over DOS running on a 386 laptop. but I don't know if that counts). > > What is it about Ubuntu don't you like (as a workstation OS - if we > were talking server OS it would be a different convo)? Not trying to > start an argument here. Which Linux (or any *nix) distro do you like > the most for workstations? > > --- > > Joel, > > You wouldn't happen to have those proto-SLS disks handy, would you? > Somewhere (if I still have it) I have a 386DX40 mobo that is itching > to be fired up again, though I don't know if I have enough memory for > *nix (last I remember I only had 8 meg in it), I was think either some > old-school *nix or OpenDOS. It would be hilarious to see it run *nix, > tho. > > --- > > On a more CoCo related note - was there ever an ethernet network > "card" made for the CoCo (ie, a cartridge or something) that worked > under OS-9? I seem to recall there was something a long time ago (I > was a kid at the time and my parents couldn't afford it, nor did I > have anything to hook it up to), but I may be foggy. > > -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From jlhickle at yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 12:08:11 2009 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] DriveWire - Frank, Joel - OT Message-ID: <289649.43290.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Andrew wrote: > > You wouldn't happen to have those proto-SLS disks handy, > would you? Somewhere (if I still have it) I have a 386DX40 > mobo that is itching to be fired up again, though I don't > know if I have enough memory for *nix (last I remember I > only had 8 meg in it), I was think either some old-school > *nix or OpenDOS. It would be hilarious to see it run *nix, > tho. > I used to run Slackware on a 386DX40. I'd been using a 100mhz 486, but needed it to run something important at home. (I think it was Tonka Garage). Slackware ran just fine on the '386, but my app was a real snail. It took a lot of profiling and compiling to make it usable. By the time speed was acceptable I had enough money to buy a Pentium 133. From hyperfrog at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 17:50:28 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:50:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: TRS-80 Model I repair info Message-ID: <49E50524.5030106@gmail.com> I've been given two TRS-80 Model I computers that I would like to repair. Both are fitted with 16kB RAM, Level II Basic on a daughter board, a numeric keypad, an extra switch on the right-hand side and an extra daughter board (in addition to the one with the Level II ROMs). Several wires are connecting the extra switch and daughter board to different points on the logic board. Unfortunately, some of those wires have been snatched or unsoldered. I believe I could make at least one of the the computers work if only I knew where the wires are supposed to go to. I do not know if the extra switch and daughter board were added by a Radio Shack technician or a computer hobbyist. Anybody knows a bit about the Model I? Is there some resource with information about this kind of modification? Thanks a lot, Christian From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 14 18:16:13 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:16:13 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Would 80-Micro Mag Scans be useful to folks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" wrote: > > I actually downloaded most or all of the 80-Micro scans while they were available. I think they are on a hard drive of a computer I have in storage at the moment. They might also be on a backup somewhere here. > sounds good to me From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 14 19:51:18 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:51:18 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] rainbow magazines -putting the feelers out to sell Message-ID: well now i have a box thats weighs about 30 kilogram as a guess, its damn heavy i reckon with rainbows from 1983 till 1992 that i no longer want cluttering up my shed with does anyone want to buy these books for their collection? email me off list From operator at coco3.com Tue Apr 14 20:08:52 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:08:52 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Byte.com's What's Inside the Color Computer Message-ID: <20090415000906.7AFF020A14@qs281.pair.com> Am I going crazy or is byte.com gone? It is now coming up ddj.com. original link to article: What's Inside the Color Computer http://www.byte.com/art/9603/sec5/art4.htm now brings up a cell phone software article http://www.ddj.com/art/9603/sec5/art4.htm Luckily, I captured the popular byte.com article about 3 years ago, I think even with the photos. I just found the HTML files but I'll have to dig for the photos. At the time I was trying to add the article to coco3.com but due to web site engine changes and so forth, it was put on hold. I plan to add the content, but in the meantime if there's still a place on the web to this large article, can someone echo the URL to me so I can update the CoCoNut Directory to point there? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From mechacoco at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 20:56:43 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:56:43 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Byte.com's What's Inside the Color Computer In-Reply-To: <20090415000906.7AFF020A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415000906.7AFF020A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904141756x1c4103c2j212e3da63160f024@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/09, Roger Taylor wrote: > > Am I going crazy or is byte.com gone? It is now coming up ddj.com. > > original link to article: What's Inside the Color Computer > http://www.byte.com/art/9603/sec5/art4.htm > > now brings up a cell phone software article > http://www.ddj.com/art/9603/sec5/art4.htm > > Luckily, I captured the popular byte.com article about 3 years ago, I > think even with the photos. I just found the HTML files but I'll > have to dig for the photos. > At the time I was trying to add the article to coco3.com but due to > web site engine changes and so forth, it was put on hold. > > I plan to add the content, but in the meantime if there's still a > place on the web to this large article, can someone echo the URL to > me so I can update the CoCoNut Directory to point there? > --- Tim Lindner has reproduced the articles. See: Darren From tjseagrove at writeme.com Tue Apr 14 21:11:56 2009 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:11:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Byte.com's What's Inside the Color Computer In-Reply-To: <20090415000906.7AFF020A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415000906.7AFF020A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <00e901c9bd67$2be37d60$83aa7820$@com> Search the link below at http://www.archive.org/index.php and there are many versions over the last number of years. Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Roger Taylor Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:09 PM To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] Byte.com's What's Inside the Color Computer Am I going crazy or is byte.com gone? It is now coming up ddj.com. original link to article: What's Inside the Color Computer http://www.byte.com/art/9603/sec5/art4.htm now brings up a cell phone software article http://www.ddj.com/art/9603/sec5/art4.htm Luckily, I captured the popular byte.com article about 3 years ago, I think even with the photos. I just found the HTML files but I'll have to dig for the photos. At the time I was trying to add the article to coco3.com but due to web site engine changes and so forth, it was put on hold. I plan to add the content, but in the meantime if there's still a place on the web to this large article, can someone echo the URL to me so I can update the CoCoNut Directory to point there? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/14/09 06:17:00 From operator at coco3.com Tue Apr 14 23:30:16 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:30:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? Message-ID: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one module and access that data from another module by nickname or some other global handle? Can the data persist after hitting Reset to reboot OS-9? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From alsplace at pobox.com Tue Apr 14 23:37:30 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:37:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one > module and access that data from another module by nickname or some > other global handle? There is a DATA MODULE type, where the body of the module can be linked to from multiple processes, then each gets a pointer and access to the body area and can read/write that data. That is the OS-9 mechanism for data sharing. You can fix the CRC and save the module out, load it on reboot, and the variables would be back. I should write some code for that. (Semaphores, I am not sure of, under OS-9/6809.) Boisy, you know? -- Allen From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Apr 15 00:01:20 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:01:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904150001.21036.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 14 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one >module and access that data from another module by nickname or some >other global handle? > >Can the data persist after hitting Reset to reboot OS-9? (Nitr)os9 has data modules, Roger. Generally used read-only, I've used them just a time or 2 to prove they worked. I'd have to check the docs now to see if they can be writable, however, whats written would likely be lost on the reboot without some new dance steps to update the disk copy. IIRC Dale Pucket did an article or two on data modules that was covered by the rainbow, but I have NDI what ish's they were in now. Easy to implement, and doable. You just have to figure out how to effect the save in a quasi automatic way. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You are magnetic in your bearing. From os9dude at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 04:44:24 2009 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:44:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: TRS-80 Model I repair info In-Reply-To: <49E50524.5030106@gmail.com> References: <49E50524.5030106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5631e580904150144j2876f477ha0a16c53f5f79ac9@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried posting to the newsgroup comp.sys.tandy? there is still good activity there and lots of TRS-80 savvy heavyweights hang around frequently. -- Rogelio On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Christian Lesage wrote: > I've been given two TRS-80 Model I computers that I would like to repair. > Both are fitted with 16kB RAM, Level II Basic on a daughter board, a numeric > keypad, an extra switch on the right-hand side and an extra daughter board > (in addition to the one with the Level II ROMs). Several wires are > connecting the extra switch and daughter board to different points on the > logic board. Unfortunately, some of those wires have been snatched or > unsoldered. I believe I could make at least one of the the computers work if > only I knew where the wires are supposed to go to. > > I do not know if the extra switch and daughter board were added by a Radio > Shack technician or a computer hobbyist. > > Anybody knows a bit about the Model I? Is there some resource with > information about this kind of modification? > > Thanks a lot, > > Christian From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 15 08:12:31 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:12:31 +0100 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness Message-ID: <20090415131231.39357fa626skpfk0@aurigae.demon.co.uk> 290308509560 this is expensive even here in the UK where CoCos where "rarer" :) Cheers. Phill. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From coconut at pritchard.ca Wed Apr 15 08:17:37 2009 From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:17:37 -0500 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness In-Reply-To: <20090415131231.39357fa626skpfk0@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <20090415131231.39357fa626skpfk0@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <48FA0482-1E7A-476E-AA6F-AD46BD519E6A@pritchard.ca> At least he is open to offers. :P Regards, Ryan Pritchard Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies On 15-Apr-09, at 7:12 AM, afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk wrote: > 290308509560 > > this is expensive even here in the UK where CoCos where "rarer" :) > > Cheers. > > Phill. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From grumpyx at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 10:28:14 2009 From: grumpyx at gmail.com (Grumpyx) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:28:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: TRS-80 Model I repair info In-Reply-To: <5631e580904150144j2876f477ha0a16c53f5f79ac9@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E50524.5030106@gmail.com> <5631e580904150144j2876f477ha0a16c53f5f79ac9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The switch was probably for the lower case mod. Ira has a copy of the manual, but I believe he still has the downloads blocked. He still has lots of good information on his site trs-80.com, but you can catch all the news/flames over blocking all the downloads in their newsgroup. It's sad that he lost his willingness to share all the things that had been shared with him :(. I'll look and see if I can find my manual. Malcom On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > Have you tried posting to the newsgroup comp.sys.tandy? there is still > good activity there and lots of TRS-80 savvy heavyweights hang around > frequently. > > > -- Rogelio > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Christian Lesage > wrote: > > I've been given two TRS-80 Model I computers that I would like to repair. > > Both are fitted with 16kB RAM, Level II Basic on a daughter board, a > numeric > > keypad, an extra switch on the right-hand side and an extra daughter > board > > (in addition to the one with the Level II ROMs). Several wires are > > connecting the extra switch and daughter board to different points on the > > logic board. Unfortunately, some of those wires have been snatched or > > unsoldered. I believe I could make at least one of the the computers work > if > > only I knew where the wires are supposed to go to. > > > > I do not know if the extra switch and daughter board were added by a > Radio > > Shack technician or a computer hobbyist. > > > > Anybody knows a bit about the Model I? Is there some resource with > > information about this kind of modification? > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > Christian > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 15 12:04:53 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:04:53 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> At 10:37 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >>Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one >>module and access that data from another module by nickname or some >>other global handle? > >There is a DATA MODULE type, where the body of the module can be >linked to from multiple processes, then each gets a pointer and access >to the body area and can read/write that data. That is the OS-9 >mechanism for data sharing. > >You can fix the CRC and save the module out, load it on reboot, and >the variables would be back. > >I should write some code for that. (Semaphores, I am not sure of, >under OS-9/6809.) > >Boisy, you know? I think OS-9 should have had some SetEnv and GetEnv routines a long time ago. One of the seed modules that are still there after you hit reset could just open up some static space, just enough to not hurt the os9boot size issue but to allow 4 to 8 variables to be set by nickname and retreived the same. I guess this would involve adding 2 new system calls? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 15 12:08:11 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> Non-6809 OS-9 versions do have environment variable space. It would be trivial to write a getenv/setenv library... How soon would you need it? Sent from my iPhone Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 10:37 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >> On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> >>> Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one >>> module and access that data from another module by nickname or some >>> other global handle? >> >> There is a DATA MODULE type, where the body of the module can be >> linked to from multiple processes, then each gets a pointer and >> access >> to the body area and can read/write that data. That is the OS-9 >> mechanism for data sharing. >> >> You can fix the CRC and save the module out, load it on reboot, and >> the variables would be back. >> >> I should write some code for that. (Semaphores, I am not sure of, >> under OS-9/6809.) >> >> Boisy, you know? > > > > > I think OS-9 should have had some SetEnv and GetEnv routines a long > time ago. One of the seed modules that are still there after you > hit reset could just open up some static space, just enough to not > hurt the os9boot size issue but to allow 4 to 8 variables to be set > by nickname and retreived the same. I guess this would involve > adding 2 new system calls? > > > > > > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From adit at nationsdial.com Wed Apr 15 12:21:53 2009 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:21:53 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: TRS-80 Model I repair info In-Reply-To: References: <49E50524.5030106@gmail.com> <5631e580904150144j2876f477ha0a16c53f5f79ac9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 15, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Grumpyx wrote: > The switch was probably for the lower case mod. Ira has a copy of the > manual, but I believe he still has the downloads blocked. He still > has lots > of good information on his site trs-80.com, but you can catch all the > news/flames over blocking all the downloads in their newsgroup. > It's sad > that he lost his willingness to share all the things that had been > shared > with him :(. I'll look and see if I can find my manual. > > Malcom > I do have most of the files from the Ira's downloads circa Aug, 2005. If Someone could point out which manuals would probably be relevant I'd be happy to forward them (keep in mind I'm on dialup tho.) Dean From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 15 12:39:57 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:39:57 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> At 11:08 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >Non-6809 OS-9 versions do have environment variable space. > >It would be trivial to write a getenv/setenv library... How soon would >you need it? That's a nice offer. No major rush! Is the data guaranteed to be there after hitting Reset? I know nothing is truly guaranteed, but you get the idea. Some untoucable space, and I'm sure there's a lot there right now without having to make the environment routines, but it sure would be nice to have them persist across a Reset, and just have the routines in the first place so programs can at least share a few pieces of information in style. :) >Sent from my iPhone >Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman > >On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >>At 10:37 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >>>On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>> >>>>Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one >>>>module and access that data from another module by nickname or some >>>>other global handle? >>> >>>There is a DATA MODULE type, where the body of the module can be >>>linked to from multiple processes, then each gets a pointer and >>>access >>>to the body area and can read/write that data. That is the OS-9 >>>mechanism for data sharing. >>> >>>You can fix the CRC and save the module out, load it on reboot, and >>>the variables would be back. >>> >>>I should write some code for that. (Semaphores, I am not sure of, >>>under OS-9/6809.) >>> >>>Boisy, you know? >> >> >> >> >>I think OS-9 should have had some SetEnv and GetEnv routines a long >>time ago. One of the seed modules that are still there after you >>hit reset could just open up some static space, just enough to not >>hurt the os9boot size issue but to allow 4 to 8 variables to be set >>by nickname and retreived the same. I guess this would involve >>adding 2 new system calls? >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Roger Taylor >> >>http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >> >> >>-- >>Coco mailing list >>Coco at maltedmedia.com >>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Apr 15 13:45:22 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:45:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> Message-ID: <200904151345.22816.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 15 April 2009, Allen Huffman wrote: >Non-6809 OS-9 versions do have environment variable space. > >It would be trivial to write a getenv/setenv library... How soon would >you need it? Chuckle. About 24 years ago would have been about right, Allen. :-) Tell me, is this going to be easier that having a file on disk (or in myram, copied there by the startup script) along with a cron job to check & see if its been updated since written at boot, & copy it back over that file if the myram copy is newer? Set it to run at say 5 minute intervals, if the file hasn't been touched, no copy, so you won't notice the cron waking up occasionally. Either way it seems we need two copies, and they must stay synched. The disk based file, at least on my system, would only be slower than the myram version by the seek and rotational latency of the drive as either can do an 11 second megaread on my coco3. The point is that there is more than 1 method of skinning a cat, limited only by ones imagination. With nitros9, that is literally true. The trick is to get it out of system ram (preventing error 207's) while making it readily accessible from user ram. As for cron, loading up myram and friends in the startup, along with copying the crontab file to /r0 gives both a place to put the crontab, but also the data, and the shell script crontab calls could handle the rest. And do it all w/o hammering the disk drive until a new bit of data is added or changed in the /r0 copy. Humm, this would require that copy duped the file descriptors date stuff too in order to preserve the on disk date in the /r0 copy. That can be done but I don't know if our current copy util has such an option. Or if our version of touch can do that. One or the other might need massaged to handle that. Humm, after re-reading the above, maybe there is an easier way? Seems like there should be. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Remember: Silly is a state of Mind, Stupid is a way of Life. -- Dave Butler From hyperfrog at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 14:06:33 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:06:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness In-Reply-To: <20090415131231.39357fa626skpfk0@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <20090415131231.39357fa626skpfk0@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E62229.5090800@gmail.com> afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk wrote: > 290308509560 > > this is expensive even here in the UK where CoCos where "rarer" :) And when a seller indicates "RARE" in the description, it is almost always for something that sold in millions... A genuine collector knows what is rare and what is not. Besides, who would use "very" and "rare" as keywords when searching for something on eBay? Christian From hyperfrog at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 14:16:48 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:16:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: TRS-80 Model I repair info In-Reply-To: References: <49E50524.5030106@gmail.com> <5631e580904150144j2876f477ha0a16c53f5f79ac9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E62490.5000600@gmail.com> Rogelio: Yes, I will post to the comp.tandy.sys group. Thanks for the info. Malcom, Dean: I found the following books/manuals : /TRS-80 Technical Manual/, by Radio Shack /The Custom TRS-80/, by Dennis B?thory Kitsz (host of the CoCoList!) The latter describes some common mods. I almost repaired the first computer; I still need to replace a defective 74c04 inverter in the video circuit. However, the second computer is heavily modified. I thought they had the same mods, but I was wrong. It has two additional switches, a larger extra daughter board (with erased out chip numbers), much more wires, a Z80B (which is a 6MHz part), an adapter with an EPROM in place of the character generator ROM, and a few piggybacked chips. I will have to examine it further in order to better describe the mods. Let me ask a question about the original TRS-80 video monitor: is it normal that displaying a stable image requires a lot of tweaking? I have only one such monitor, and it seems to be picky about the video signal. Last month, I repaired a home-brewed computer made from an LNW-80 (TRS-80 clone) logic board, and in order to display a stable image, it is often necessary to tweak the controls on the back of the monitor and/or reset the computer a few times. I thought the LNW-80 had a marginal video generation circuit, but then I encountered a similar problem with a real TRS-80. Well,I think the latter has a defective component in the video circuit, but still... Christian From t.fadden at cox.net Wed Apr 15 14:37:01 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? Message-ID: <31842647.55332.1239820621196.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> Don't most OS's keep the environment variables in a file? like .profoile, .csh, .login .logout etc? Seems that approch would be best. The printenv and setenv are temporary. To make it permenant, the file needs to be changed. Solaris works this way, and I suspect so do all the rest of the unix's. These would be kept on the /dd device, and read by the shell when it starts. On multiuser systems, it would be read from the users home directory. This would be a great addition to our OS9. Unless you are talking about something else. Tim Fadden On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM , Roger Taylor wrote: > At 11:08 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >> Non-6809 OS-9 versions do have environment variable space. >> >> It would be trivial to write a getenv/setenv library... How soon >> would >> you need it? > > That's a nice offer. No major rush! > > Is the data guaranteed to be there after hitting Reset? I know > nothing is truly guaranteed, but you get the idea. Some untoucable > space, and I'm sure there's a lot there right now without having to > make the environment routines, but it sure would be nice to have them > persist across a Reset, and just have the routines in the first place > so programs can at least share a few pieces of information in style. > :) > > > > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone >> Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/allenhuffman >> >> On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Roger Taylor >> wrote: >> >>> At 10:37 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >>>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one >>>>> module and access that data from another module by nickname or >>>>> some >>>>> other global handle? >>>> >>>> There is a DATA MODULE type, where the body of the module can be >>>> linked to from multiple processes, then each gets a pointer and >>>> access >>>> to the body area and can read/write that data. That is the OS-9 >>>> mechanism for data sharing. >>>> >>>> You can fix the CRC and save the module out, load it on reboot, and >>>> the variables would be back. >>>> >>>> I should write some code for that. (Semaphores, I am not sure of, >>>> under OS-9/6809.) >>>> >>>> Boisy, you know? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think OS-9 should have had some SetEnv and GetEnv routines a long >>> time ago. One of the seed modules that are still there after you >>> hit reset could just open up some static space, just enough to not >>> hurt the os9boot size issue but to allow 4 to 8 variables to be set >>> by nickname and retreived the same. I guess this would involve >>> adding 2 new system calls? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roger Taylor >>> >>> http://www.wordofthedayonline.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Roger Taylor > > http://www.wordofthedayonline.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 15 14:51:16 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:51:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 512KBASIC.DSK Message-ID: <006001c9bdfb$29274450$7b75ccf0$@rr.com> Does anyone know anything about this file? I've tried to run it on my 512K Coco3, but all I get is an ?OM ERROR. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Wed Apr 15 14:56:34 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:56:34 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090415185633.GA3887@virgo.sdc.org> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:30:16PM -0500, Roger Taylor wrote: > Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one > module and access that data from another module by nickname or some > other global handle? getenv() and setenv() in the cgfx library read/write "environment variables" from /dd/sys/env.file > > Can the data persist after hitting Reset to reboot OS-9? Yes. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 15 15:06:32 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <31842647.55332.1239820621196.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> References: <31842647.55332.1239820621196.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20090415190651.C0EF020A14@qs281.pair.com> At 01:37 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >Don't most OS's keep the environment variables in a file? like >.profoile, .csh, .login .logout etc? Seems that approch would be >best. The printenv and setenv are temporary. To make it permenant, >the file needs to be changed. Solaris works this way, and I suspect >so do all the rest of the unix's. These would be kept on the /dd >device, and read by the shell when it starts. On multiuser systems, >it would be read from the users home directory. This would be a >great addition to our OS9. > >Unless you are talking about something else. > >Tim Fadden Tim, due to the nature of CoCoNet, the 6551 needs to be re-configured upon entry into the Boot module (if Reset was pressed during a prior OS-9 session). The bitrate needs to be the same as it was before hitting Reset and clearing the 6551 out; the bitrate which was set Only by Disk BASIC/CoCoNet before the DOS command kickstarted the virtual drive routines. This lets the user choose his own bitrate from the many supported by the 6551, for whatever reason he chooses to use a slow one or the fastest, OS-9 doesn't need to screw with it during the boot process, or afterwards. By the way folks, I've been using a 230400 bps wireless connection for NitrOS-9 for about a week and am just blown away by how much smoother things go even at rates slower than real floppy drives since there's no head seeking and track jumping delays. The trick to using 230400 bps with my wireless pak or a Tandy pak is to use a 3.6864 mhz crystal and be in 2mhz CPU mode, and ofcourse don't use sloppy code. Works like a charm! -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 15 15:07:13 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:07:13 +0100 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness In-Reply-To: <49E62229.5090800@gmail.com> References: <20090415131231.39357fa626skpfk0@aurigae.demon.co.uk> <49E62229.5090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E63061.6070604@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Christian Lesage wrote: > afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk wrote: >> 290308509560 >> >> this is expensive even here in the UK where CoCos where "rarer" :) > And when a seller indicates "RARE" in the description, it is almost > always for something that sold in millions... A genuine collector knows > what is rare and what is not. Besides, who would use "very" and "rare" > as keywords when searching for something on eBay? Mind at least it wasn't L@@K R at RE or L-at-at-K R-at-R-E :) The other one that you always see is MINT or "MINT for year" what the hell does that mean ? Considdering I only paid ?40 for a boxed almost new looking CoCo2 in the white CoCo1 style case which I am lead to believe is one of the rarest CoCo models, ?100 seems a little extortionate. Same seller also has a Dragon 32 for ?100, which is deffo over the odds, in the UK at least as they where fairly common, I paid less than that for my Tano 64s including shipping from the US. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From exwn8jef at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 15:12:23 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 512KBASIC.DSK In-Reply-To: <006001c9bdfb$29274450$7b75ccf0$@rr.com> References: <006001c9bdfb$29274450$7b75ccf0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49E63197.1090809@gmail.com> Bill, It runs on my 512K CoCo 3. Did you do a memory upgrade? Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Bill wrote: > Does anyone know anything about this file? I've tried to run it on my 512K > Coco3, but all I get is an ?OM ERROR. > > Thanks > > ______________________________________ > *Square One Christian BBS > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com > > A Taste of Coco > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From coder32768 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 15:27:51 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:27:51 -0700 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness In-Reply-To: <20090415131231.39357fa626skpfk0@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <20090415131231.39357fa626skpfk0@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: I wouldn't call those marks on the case 'slight'. They look like pretty good gouges to me. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:12 AM, wrote: > 290308509560 > > this is expensive even here in the UK where CoCos where "rarer" :) > > Cheers. > > Phill. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 15 15:29:38 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] 512KBASIC.DSK In-Reply-To: <49E63197.1090809@gmail.com> References: <006001c9bdfb$29274450$7b75ccf0$@rr.com> <49E63197.1090809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006701c9be00$847aaf40$8d700dc0$@rr.com> Yeah, sure did. Mary sent it to me. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:12 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] 512KBASIC.DSK > > Bill, > It runs on my 512K CoCo 3. Did you do a memory upgrade? > From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 15 18:02:51 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:02:51 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: > Is the data guaranteed to be there after hitting Reset? No. It would be like environment variables on DOS, etc. where they are just named values you can set and read between programs. However, due to implementing it in a DATA MODULE on OS-9, there would be the capability to write them to disk, and restore on the next boot. RESET causes the system to reload, yes? GENE: > Tell me, is this going to be easier that having a file on disk (or > in myram, > copied there by the startup script) along with a cron job to check & > see if I was not planning any such thing. The user would be responsible for saving data if it was important to them. What operating systems provide environment variables that are maintained between reboots? I have not worked with any that did that, so I didn't even know that was an option. TIM: > Don't most OS's keep the environment variables in a file? > like .profoile, .csh, .login .logout etc? Not that I know of. THose are read-only configuration files, read at startup (like autoexec.bat) or shell start or login. Different creatures. WILLARD: > getenv() and setenv() in the cgfx library read/write "environment > variables" from /dd/sys/env.file Willard shoots and scores! I did not know CGFX had those calls, though during my CoCO days, I have never heard of getenv() and setenv(). INTERESTING! Is that the stock Tandy version of CGFX, or the third party one? -- Allen From t.fadden at cox.net Wed Apr 15 19:25:15 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:25:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> Is the data guaranteed to be there after hitting Reset? > > No. It would be like environment variables on DOS, etc. where they are > just named values you can set and read between programs. > > However, due to implementing it in a DATA MODULE on OS-9, there would > be the capability to write them to disk, and restore on the next boot. > > RESET causes the system to reload, yes? > > GENE: >> Tell me, is this going to be easier that having a file on disk (or in >> myram, >> copied there by the startup script) along with a cron job to check & >> see if > > I was not planning any such thing. The user would be responsible for > saving data if it was important to them. What operating systems > provide environment variables that are maintained between reboots? I > have not worked with any that did that, so I didn't even know that was > an option. > > TIM: >> Don't most OS's keep the environment variables in a file? like >> .profoile, .csh, .login .logout etc? > > Not that I know of. THose are read-only configuration files, read at > startup (like autoexec.bat) or shell start or login. Different creatures. > Ya, configuration file that define the ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES. ALL variables are initially read from a file on any os, and then either used, or become part of the shell environment. Once the initial read takes place, they can be manipulated in memory, and apply for that shell only. What variables are you talking about? Just what I described is exactly what Willard explained below. > WILLARD: >> getenv() and setenv() in the cgfx library read/write "environment >> variables" from /dd/sys/env.file > > Willard shoots and scores! I did not know CGFX had those calls, though > during my CoCO days, I have never heard of getenv() and setenv(). > INTERESTING! > > Is that the stock Tandy version of CGFX, or the third party one? > I went through the Tandy one, and setenv() and getenv() are not there, but they have to be written into the multivue program to some extent. It does read the /dd/sys/env.file when it starts. I'm not sure whether the changes made are written back to the env.file. Will have to test that. > -- Allen > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 15 19:30:36 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:30:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> Message-ID: <133A5C46-FB68-4573-B940-E438FF383C36@pobox.com> On Apr 15, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > Ya, configuration file that define the ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES. ALL > variables are initially read from a file on any os, and then either > used, or become part of the shell environment. Once the initial read > takes place, they can be manipulated in memory, and apply for that > shell only. What variables are you talking about? Just what I > described is exactly what Willard explained below. I was talking about the variables set and read by setenv() and getenv(), which are memory variables. But, an autoexec.bat/ startup/.login/etc can issue commands like "setenv TERM=vt100" on startup to set initial values or create them. > I went through the Tandy one, and setenv() and getenv() are not > there, but they have to be written into the multivue program to some > extent. It does read the /dd/sys/env.file when it starts. I'm not > sure whether the changes made are written back to the env.file. > Will have to test that. Fun stuff! -- Allen From alsplace at pobox.com Wed Apr 15 19:39:09 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:39:09 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> Message-ID: <20953103-5BC8-4BB8-9D1E-E7F040619749@pobox.com> On Apr 15, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > Ya, configuration file that define the ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES. Incidentally, If I can find it, I have routines I wrote for reading INI-type files for some of my C programs (the EthaGUI library and Towel disk utility for OS-9). I will have to dig all that stuff out -- I bet I could write it significantly better today, so I may redo the whole thing sometime. -- Allen From boisy at tee-boy.com Wed Apr 15 20:19:30 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <754B3237-8EB6-4D44-8CD5-006C7CF3E516@tee-boy.com> Allen, As you know, the traditional UNIX environment variables are a per- process feature. A process inherits its parent's environment variables and can then change its own copy. Those changes perpetuate down to children that it creates, and so on. Modeling this feature in NitrOS-9 poses certain challenges. Specifically, the designer must determine where per-process environment variables are to be stored. The most logical place to store per-process environment variables would be in the system RAM, with the process descriptor holding the reference, or pointer, to the memory where they are stored. One design choice would be to commandeer a one byte page pointer in the process descriptor which would hold the 256 byte page in system RAM where the environment variables for that process would be stored. F$GetEnv and F$SetEnv system calls could be written to allow for the setting and getting of these variables. The downsides to this approach are: - it would limit the total storage capacity for all environment variables to 256 bytes - it would use up 256 bytes for every process on the system automatically Given that most processes probably wouldn't use environment variables, and given the amount of memory wasted, I would not recommend this model. Another approach to consider is the storing of environment variables in a file. This could be done on a system-wide basis like Multi-Vue does: one file holds system wide environment variables that anyone can change. Another approach would be to store environment variables on a per- process basis, one file per process. The F$Fork routine could be modified to copy its parent's environment variable file over to its own, and subsequent calls to F$SetEnv and F$GetEnv would set/get those environment variables to/from that file. F$Exit would be modified to delete the file for that process. The downside of the file-based approach is that it would be slow on floppy systems and would require disk access on every F$Fork, F $SetEnv, F$GetEnv and F$Exit. Data modules have been mentioned as a possible candidate; for the per- process approach, this would require creating one data module per process. The F$Fork would create the data module, the F$Exit would unlink it, and the F$SetEnv and F$GetEnv would set and get variables in it. The downsides to this approach are: - 8K of System RAM would have to be free in order to map the appropriate data module into system RAM at F$SetEnv/F$GetEnv time. That may not be possible in many cases. - Potentially, many data modules would show up in the mdir output. Because of the limited resources, no option is really optimal, and all require some degree of compromise. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com On Apr 15, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> Is the data guaranteed to be there after hitting Reset? > > No. It would be like environment variables on DOS, etc. where they > are just named values you can set and read between programs. > > However, due to implementing it in a DATA MODULE on OS-9, there > would be the capability to write them to disk, and restore on the > next boot. > > RESET causes the system to reload, yes? > > GENE: >> Tell me, is this going to be easier that having a file on disk (or >> in myram, >> copied there by the startup script) along with a cron job to check >> & see if > > I was not planning any such thing. The user would be responsible for > saving data if it was important to them. What operating systems > provide environment variables that are maintained between reboots? I > have not worked with any that did that, so I didn't even know that > was an option. > > TIM: >> Don't most OS's keep the environment variables in a file? >> like .profoile, .csh, .login .logout etc? > > Not that I know of. THose are read-only configuration files, read at > startup (like autoexec.bat) or shell start or login. Different > creatures. > > WILLARD: >> getenv() and setenv() in the cgfx library read/write "environment >> variables" from /dd/sys/env.file > > Willard shoots and scores! I did not know CGFX had those calls, > though during my CoCO days, I have never heard of getenv() and > setenv(). INTERESTING! > > Is that the stock Tandy version of CGFX, or the third party one? > > -- Allen > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From t.fadden at cox.net Wed Apr 15 20:21:16 2009 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20953103-5BC8-4BB8-9D1E-E7F040619749@pobox.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> <20953103-5BC8-4BB8-9D1E-E7F040619749@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49E679FC.10308@cox.net> Allen Huffman wrote: > On Apr 15, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: >> Ya, configuration file that define the ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES. > > Incidentally, If I can find it, I have routines I wrote for reading > INI-type files for some of my C programs (the EthaGUI library and > Towel disk utility for OS-9). I will have to dig all that stuff out -- > I bet I could write it significantly better today, so I may redo the > whole thing sometime. > > -- Allen > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > I don't know of anything in os9 that uses an "environment variable". It would be nice to turn on and off logging in the shell without patching the module, and some things like that. I suppose you could have multiple execution paths, library paths etc, But all of the programs that use such things would have to be re-written in order to take use of it. Wasn't the original reason for this thread to keep the wireless baud rate between reboots? Seems it would be easier to just make a new os9 kernel with the custom dd for the wireless. I don't have one of these things, so not just exactly sure what he was getting at. You must be a glutton for punishment! ha ha ha :-) Tim From jejones3141 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 20:21:35 2009 From: jejones3141 at gmail.com (James Jones) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:21:35 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <726d4e680904151721x895a909qa51863d1efe9f3d2@mail.gmail.com> Using data modules for environment variables will take some work: 1. The hefty size of the smallest hunk of RAM that one can map into one's address space on the CoCo3 will cause some problems. 2. It will take some work to have them implement what people canonically think of as environment variables, namely things that are inherited by processes, and that don't change for one process if another fiddles with its environment variables. 3. It will also involve some changes to the C library, since people will probably expect access to said variables from C programs. James From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Apr 15 20:31:41 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:31:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904152031.41776.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 15 April 2009, Allen Huffman wrote: >On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: >> Is the data guaranteed to be there after hitting Reset? > >No. It would be like environment variables on DOS, etc. where they are >just named values you can set and read between programs. > >However, due to implementing it in a DATA MODULE on OS-9, there would >be the capability to write them to disk, and restore on the next boot. > >RESET causes the system to reload, yes? > >GENE: >> Tell me, is this going to be easier that having a file on disk (or >> in myram, >> copied there by the startup script) along with a cron job to check & >> see if > >I was not planning any such thing. The user would be responsible for >saving data if it was important to them. What operating systems >provide environment variables that are maintained between reboots? I >have not worked with any that did that, so I didn't even know that was >an option. None that save a changed value over a reset/reboot without manual intervention that I'm aware of, Allen. Linux sets all that stuff in /etc/profile, and in the individual users ~/.bashrc, where the tilde is short hand for /home/user. I doubt there are very many linux users who haven't edited the ~/.bashrc for one reason or another. >TIM: >> Don't most OS's keep the environment variables in a file? >> like .profoile, .csh, .login .logout etc? > >Not that I know of. THose are read-only configuration files, read at >startup (like autoexec.bat) or shell start or login. Different >creatures. > >WILLARD: >> getenv() and setenv() in the cgfx library read/write "environment >> variables" from /dd/sys/env.file > >Willard shoots and scores! I did not know CGFX had those calls, though >during my CoCO days, I have never heard of getenv() and setenv(). >INTERESTING! > >Is that the stock Tandy version of CGFX, or the third party one? I'd have to go check my tandy docs to be sure, but ISTR seeing it in there. However the 3rd party CGFX is the preferred animal, if for no other reason than I believe its noticeably faster. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Dear Lord: Please make my words sweet and tender, for tomorrow I may have to eat them. From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 15 21:22:44 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:22:44 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> Message-ID: <20090416012303.AC3F320A13@qs281.pair.com> At 06:25 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >Allen Huffman wrote: >>On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: >>>Is the data guaranteed to be there after hitting Reset? >> >>No. It would be like environment variables on DOS, etc. where they >>are just named values you can set and read between programs. >> >>However, due to implementing it in a DATA MODULE on OS-9, there >>would be the capability to write them to disk, and restore on the next boot. >> >>RESET causes the system to reload, yes? >> >>GENE: >>>Tell me, is this going to be easier that having a file on disk (or in myram, >>>copied there by the startup script) along with a cron job to check & see if >> >>I was not planning any such thing. The user would be responsible >>for saving data if it was important to them. What operating systems >>provide environment variables that are maintained between reboots? >>I have not worked with any that did that, so I didn't even know >>that was an option. Windows still retains that feature. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 15 21:34:40 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:34:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <49E679FC.10308@cox.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> <20953103-5BC8-4BB8-9D1E-E7F040619749@pobox.com> <49E679FC.10308@cox.net> Message-ID: <20090416013622.1A2F220A16@qs281.pair.com> At 07:21 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >Allen Huffman wrote: >>On Apr 15, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: >>>Ya, configuration file that define the ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES. >> >>Incidentally, If I can find it, I have routines I wrote for reading >>INI-type files for some of my C programs (the EthaGUI library and >>Towel disk utility for OS-9). I will have to dig all that stuff out >>-- I bet I could write it significantly better today, so I may redo >>the whole thing sometime. >> >> -- Allen >> >> >>-- >>Coco mailing list >>Coco at maltedmedia.com >>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >I don't know of anything in os9 that uses an "environment variable". After all these years of not having any, nobody would miss them now. It was an 2-birds with one stone idea. There needs to be a way to save a few bytes that guarantee to be found in RAM after hitting Reset, even if a 64k byte for byte search is done. I got the idea of prefixing the data with a unique text string. > It would be nice to turn on and off logging in the shell without > patching the module, and some things like that. I suppose you could > have multiple execution paths, library paths etc, But all of the > programs that use such things would have to be re-written in order > to take use of it. > >Wasn't the original reason for this thread to keep the wireless baud >rate between reboots? Seems it would be easier to just make a new >os9 kernel with the custom dd for the wireless. I don't have one of >these things, so not just exactly sure what he was getting at. Yes, when these threads spawn off it sure does make for a big bowl of idea soup. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From tlindner at macmess.org Wed Apr 15 22:13:48 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:13:48 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <1iy8app.a576jn1piw8l2M%tlindner@macmess.org> Roger Taylor wrote: > Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one > module and access that data from another module by nickname or some > other global handle? > > Can the data persist after hitting Reset to reboot OS-9? Isn't this what device descriptors are for? -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From operator at coco3.com Wed Apr 15 22:41:30 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:41:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <1iy8app.a576jn1piw8l2M%tlindner@macmess.org> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <1iy8app.a576jn1piw8l2M%tlindner@macmess.org> Message-ID: <20090416024149.AA39D20A16@qs281.pair.com> At 09:13 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >Roger Taylor wrote: > > > Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one > > module and access that data from another module by nickname or some > > other global handle? > > > > Can the data persist after hitting Reset to reboot OS-9? > >Isn't this what device descriptors are for? Not for what I need to do. I need the Boot module to know what Disk BASIC had set the 6551 for (the command and control registers). It knows this on a first time boot because the data is there on the chip. Hitting reset clears the registers. Boot then can't read os9boot from the virtual disk across the serial link unless it sets the 6551 back up. I could take a lazy approach and just set the baud rate to say, 115200 bps, but what if the user wants only a 19200 bps connection, or even a 9600 bps. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From hyperfrog at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 23:17:44 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:17:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090416024149.AA39D20A16@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <1iy8app.a576jn1piw8l2M%tlindner@macmess.org> <20090416024149.AA39D20A16@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49E6A358.20904@gmail.com> Roger Taylor wrote: > At 09:13 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >> Roger Taylor wrote: >> >> > Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one >> > module and access that data from another module by nickname or some >> > other global handle? >> > >> > Can the data persist after hitting Reset to reboot OS-9? >> >> Isn't this what device descriptors are for? > > > Not for what I need to do. I need the Boot module to know what Disk > BASIC had set the 6551 for (the command and control registers). It > knows this on a first time boot because the data is there on the > chip. Hitting reset clears the registers. Boot then can't read > os9boot from the virtual disk across the serial link unless it sets > the 6551 back up. I could take a lazy approach and just set the baud > rate to say, 115200 bps, but what if the user wants only a 19200 bps > connection, or even a 9600 bps. > > Can't you have the CoCo try to automatically detect the server's baud rate whenever the connection fails? It would make CoCoNet easier to use. Want to change the baud rate? Do it on the server; the CoCo will adapt to any change. Just my two cents. Christian From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 02:54:09 2009 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness Message-ID: <93670.19573.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone who knows that some dufus is going to attach it, and wants to see those hits too. -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Christian Lesage wrote: From: Christian Lesage Subject: Re: [Coco] More ebay madness To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 1:06 PM afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk wrote: > 290308509560 > > this is expensive even here in the UK where CoCos where "rarer" :) And when a seller indicates "RARE" in the description, it is almost always for something that sold in millions... A genuine collector knows what is rare and what is not. Besides, who would use "very" and "rare" as keywords when searching for something on eBay? Christian -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From deek at d2dc.net Thu Apr 16 03:38:44 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:38:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <200904151345.22816.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <200904151345.22816.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49E6E084.5070808@d2dc.net> Gene Heskett wrote: [snip] > Humm, this would require that copy duped the file descriptors date stuff too > in order to preserve the on disk date in the /r0 copy. That can be done but I > don't know if our current copy util has such an option. Or if our version of > touch can do that. One or the other might need massaged to handle that. Copy always preserves file date/time on files (but not directories). From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 16 08:39:19 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:39:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <49E6E084.5070808@d2dc.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <200904151345.22816.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <49E6E084.5070808@d2dc.net> Message-ID: <200904160839.20064.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 16 April 2009, Jeff Teunissen wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: > >[snip] > >> Humm, this would require that copy duped the file descriptors date stuff >> too in order to preserve the on disk date in the /r0 copy. That can be >> done but I don't know if our current copy util has such an option. Or if >> our version of touch can do that. One or the other might need massaged to >> handle that. > >Copy always preserves file date/time on files (but not directories). > So that makes my idea a doable idea then. Thanks Jeff. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) * UNIX is a Trademark of Bell Laboratories. From snhirsch at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 11:39:36 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <200904152031.41776.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> <200904152031.41776.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Willard shoots and scores! I did not know CGFX had those calls, though >> during my CoCO days, I have never heard of getenv() and setenv(). >> INTERESTING! >> >> Is that the stock Tandy version of CGFX, or the third party one? > > I'd have to go check my tandy docs to be sure, but ISTR seeing it in there. > However the 3rd party CGFX is the preferred animal, if for no other reason > than I believe its noticeably faster. At the risk of exposing my naivety, what is "CGFX" - 3rd party of otherwise? -- From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Apr 16 15:44:15 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:44:15 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20090416194415.GA30038@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 05:02:51PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote: > WILLARD: > >getenv() and setenv() in the cgfx library read/write "environment > >variables" from /dd/sys/env.file > > Willard shoots and scores! I did not know CGFX had those calls, though > during my CoCO days, I have never heard of getenv() and setenv(). > INTERESTING! > > Is that the stock Tandy version of CGFX, or the third party one? Someday I'll learn to check my facts before I open my mouth an insert my foot. :-( They're getenv() and putenv() in CGFX7. I've never actually used the original cgfx. ;-) I just assumed they were in the stock one. I've used getenv(). The docs say putenv() writes back to the file, but I haven't tried it. A cheer for Mike Sweet, who added all the stuff that should have been in CGFX in the first place! Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Apr 16 16:06:09 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:06:09 -0600 Subject: [Coco] All hail CGFX! was Re: OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> <200904152031.41776.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090416200609.GB30038@virgo.sdc.org> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:39:36AM -0400, Steven Hirsch wrote: > > At the risk of exposing my naivety, what is "CGFX" - 3rd party of > otherwise? It's the C Library that does OS-9 graphics and MultiVue. Mostly it's a C version of the gfx2 subroutine module. It provides access to all the cursor control, drawing, colors, etc, for grfint and windint style graphics. The Docs are in the Multivue manual... was the original library in MultiVue or the Development System? IIRC there's some weirdnes with the original library? Because it was linked with rlink instead of c.link? Anyway, a crazed hacker named Mike Sweet took it and added all the goodies Tandy/Mircoware left out (dialogs! File picking facility! A function that handles the Tandy menu all by itself! And I was trying to do all that by hand? Someday I'll learn to read the library manual FIRST! :), and made it fast. He even has better documentation. His last version is cgfx7.lzh on rtsi. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Apr 16 16:17:33 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:17:33 -0600 Subject: [Coco] ini files in general wasRe: OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20953103-5BC8-4BB8-9D1E-E7F040619749@pobox.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090415160516.7D3B620A16@qs281.pair.com> <30B6EDC8-DA3C-4F98-A7B7-CE9F55188296@pobox.com> <20090415164016.B528320A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E66CDB.9050400@cox.net> <20953103-5BC8-4BB8-9D1E-E7F040619749@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20090416201733.GC30038@virgo.sdc.org> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 06:39:09PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote: > Incidentally, If I can find it, I have routines I wrote for reading > INI-type files for some of my C programs (the EthaGUI library and > Towel disk utility for OS-9). I will have to dig all that stuff out -- > I bet I could write it significantly better today, so I may redo the > whole thing sometime. That could be useful, actually. I mean, I wrote what started out as a quick little BASIC09 program, and when I added an init file, that magically doubled the code size. ;-) Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Apr 16 16:24:07 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:24:07 -0600 Subject: [Coco] the downside of env.file Message-ID: <20090416202407.GD30038@virgo.sdc.org> As Boisy points out, the downsides of using /dd/sys/env.file: Since it's on disk, accessing "environment variables" is slow on a floppy-only system. It's global, rather than per-process. Very few programs are env.file aware. There's no interaction between env.file and Shell+'s internal variables. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Thu Apr 16 16:30:58 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:30:58 -0600 Subject: [Coco] memory modules surviving DOS? Message-ID: <20090416203058.GE30038@virgo.sdc.org> Roger's need for configuration data to survive from DECB to OS9 made me think of a pair of questions: I know that original OS-9 scans memory for ROM modules on boot. Is this code still active in NitrOS? If I loaded/created an OS-9 module in RAM under BASIC, then booted (Nitr)OS-9, would that module survive? (Assuming it's located somewhere in memory where the boot process itself doesn't overwrite it.) Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Apr 16 17:32:56 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:32:56 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <49E6A358.20904@gmail.com> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <1iy8app.a576jn1piw8l2M%tlindner@macmess.org><20090416024149.AA39D20A16@qs281.pair.com> <49E6A358.20904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1FA@fenestra.lamunet.local> > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Christian Lesage > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:18 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? > > Roger Taylor wrote: > > At 09:13 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: > >> Roger Taylor wrote: > >> > >> > Is there a way in OS-9 to store a few bytes or a string from one > >> > module and access that data from another module by nickname or > some > >> > other global handle? > >> > > >> > Can the data persist after hitting Reset to reboot OS-9? > >> > >> Isn't this what device descriptors are for? > > > > > > Not for what I need to do. I need the Boot module to know what Disk > > BASIC had set the 6551 for (the command and control registers). It > > knows this on a first time boot because the data is there on the > > chip. Hitting reset clears the registers. Boot then can't read > > os9boot from the virtual disk across the serial link unless it sets > > the 6551 back up. I could take a lazy approach and just set the baud > > rate to say, 115200 bps, but what if the user wants only a 19200 bps > > connection, or even a 9600 bps. > > > > > Can't you have the CoCo try to automatically detect the server's baud > rate whenever the connection fails? It would make CoCoNet easier to > use. > Want to change the baud rate? Do it on the server; the CoCo will adapt > to any change. > > Just my two cents. > > Christian > Make that 4 cents. That seems like the far simpler solution to this particular problem than porting an entire new feature to nitros9. From deek at d2dc.net Thu Apr 16 19:12:19 2009 From: deek at d2dc.net (Jeff Teunissen) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:12:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [OT] Graphics Advice for Cleaning Scans In-Reply-To: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> References: <22240544.53309.1239648678292.JavaMail.t.fadden@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <49E7BB53.9070502@d2dc.net> t.fadden at cox.net wrote: > GIGO. If you start with a bad scan, your gunna have a bad scan forever. > To all the people that complain that the files are too big, bad scans > are what your gunna get. > The Djvu are OK, but I don't particularly like them myself. I like the > original scans much better. In todays world where 1 terrabyte drives are > under $100, and dvd's are less than 20 cents. I can't understand why > anyone would give up quality for size. Just my grumpy old opinion, so > don't get your shorts in a knot! :-) Who's trading anything? :) For the most part, the DjVu conversions *don't* trade quality for size -- the only real difference is the better size, speed, and utility (through the addition of hidden text). The size gains are achieved through better methods, not a reduction in quality. Better compression techniques, progressive display, etc. That said, it is true that the methods I'm using blend the background half-toning employed by the printer into a solid light gray background color (when that's possible), but that's done to improve readability: I *could* nearly perfectly reproduce every dot of ink on the page in about a quarter the space of the PDFs (making them archival quality), but I'm aiming at something that's more useful and smaller, rather than just smaller. Why Lonnie sprayed black dots all over BASIC program listings until the readership revolted in 1991 is simply beyond my comprehension. It didn't really make them look better, all it did was harm the reader's ability to decipher the listing (is that a comma or a period, a colon or a semicolon?). Among other things, I'm working to correct that error. Maybe that's the reason...he wanted people to subscribe to Rainbow on Tape. :) From grahman at planet.nl Thu Apr 16 17:00:17 2009 From: grahman at planet.nl (Gordon Rahman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:00:17 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: hot coco janurary 1985 scanned and uploading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, How do I enjoy this scanned pages? Where is your site located? Gordon --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "stinger30au" wrote: > > like it says, all 100 pages of this are scanned in my usual of 300 dpi full colour pdf > > file size is 157 meg , just a single pdf on its own, no ras or anything else > > i have created a directory in the excalibur1 upload directroy just for hot coco mags > > im scanning feburary now and i have not checked but im sure i have the complete set of 1985 and then some to do > > enjoy > From ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 16 19:15:48 2009 From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com (ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com) Date: 16 Apr 2009 23:15:48 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] New file uploaded to ColorComputer Message-ID: <1239923748.150.17236.w5@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ColorComputer group. File : /RomPatches Uploaded by : neils_morr Description : Patches for RomPaks You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/files/RomPatches To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, neils_morr From boisy at tee-boy.com Thu Apr 16 19:17:55 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Cured MPI Message-ID: I thought I would share this experience with the list. Over the past few months,my 26-3124 MPI has been behaving erratically. Turning on the CoCo would sometimes register Disk BASIC in slot 4, sometimes not. Often unplugging and replugging the MPI into the CoCo 3 would fix the issue for a while, but not always. Today I went to Radio Shack and bought a twin pack of DeoxIT cleaner and DeoxIT cleaner Gold. Following the instructions, I cleaned the contacts on the MPI and all of the cartridge peripherals that I use in the MPI. It took about 25 minutes to clean everything (including the recommended 2 minute wait time between each application). After cleaning everything, wiping the excess, and putting things back together, my system is operating 100% properly. Just a little public service announcement for all of you out there... Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Tee-Boy Mobile: 337.781.3570 Email: boisy at tee-boy.com Web: http://www.tee-boy.com From badfrog at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 19:24:35 2009 From: badfrog at gmail.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:24:35 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Cured MPI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9efa17da0904161624h13bfffb3sc32c922126e7246@mail.gmail.com> Glad the easy fix worked for you! Pencil eraser works good in a pinch too. :) On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Boisy Pitre wrote: > I thought I would share this experience with the list. > > Over the past few months,my 26-3124 MPI has been behaving erratically. > ?Turning on the CoCo would sometimes register Disk BASIC in slot 4, > sometimes not. ?Often unplugging and replugging the MPI into the CoCo 3 > would fix the issue for a while, but not always. > > Today I went to Radio Shack and bought a twin pack of DeoxIT cleaner and > DeoxIT cleaner Gold. ?Following the instructions, I cleaned the contacts on > the MPI and all of the cartridge peripherals that I use in the MPI. ?It took > about 25 minutes to clean everything (including the recommended 2 minute > wait time between each application). ?After cleaning everything, wiping the > excess, and putting things back together, my system is operating 100% > properly. > > Just a little public service announcement for all of you out there... > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From exwn8jef at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 19:27:54 2009 From: exwn8jef at gmail.com (N8WQ) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:27:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Cured MPI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E7BEFA.2090400@gmail.com> Hi Boisy, Thanks for the tip! O. Alan Jones -- N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home Boisy Pitre wrote: > I thought I would share this experience with the list. > > Over the past few months,my 26-3124 MPI has been behaving > erratically. Turning on the CoCo would sometimes register Disk BASIC > in slot 4, sometimes not. Often unplugging and replugging the MPI > into the CoCo 3 would fix the issue for a while, but not always. > > Today I went to Radio Shack and bought a twin pack of DeoxIT cleaner > and DeoxIT cleaner Gold. Following the instructions, I cleaned the > contacts on the MPI and all of the cartridge peripherals that I use in > the MPI. It took about 25 minutes to clean everything (including the > recommended 2 minute wait time between each application). After > cleaning everything, wiping the excess, and putting things back > together, my system is operating 100% properly. > > Just a little public service announcement for all of you out there... > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 16 21:52:38 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:52:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <200904152031.41776.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200904162152.38279.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 16 April 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Willard shoots and scores! I did not know CGFX had those calls, though >>> during my CoCO days, I have never heard of getenv() and setenv(). >>> INTERESTING! >>> >>> Is that the stock Tandy version of CGFX, or the third party one? >> >> I'd have to go check my tandy docs to be sure, but ISTR seeing it in >> there. However the 3rd party CGFX is the preferred animal, if for no other >> reason than I believe its noticeably faster. > >At the risk of exposing my naivety, what is "CGFX" - 3rd party of >otherwise? CGFX is the heart of multivue. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A lie is an abomination unto the Lord and a very present help in time of trouble. -- Adlai Stevenson From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 16 21:53:49 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:53:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090416194415.GA30038@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090416194415.GA30038@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <200904162153.49319.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 16 April 2009, Willard Goosey wrote: >On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 05:02:51PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote: >> WILLARD: >> >getenv() and setenv() in the cgfx library read/write "environment >> >variables" from /dd/sys/env.file >> >> Willard shoots and scores! I did not know CGFX had those calls, though >> during my CoCO days, I have never heard of getenv() and setenv(). >> INTERESTING! >> >> Is that the stock Tandy version of CGFX, or the third party one? > >Someday I'll learn to check my facts before I open my mouth an insert >my foot. :-( > >They're getenv() and putenv() in CGFX7. I've never actually used the >original cgfx. ;-) I just assumed they were in the stock one. > >I've used getenv(). The docs say putenv() writes back to the file, >but I haven't tried it. > >A cheer for Mike Sweet, who added all the stuff that should have been >in CGFX in the first place! Amen. I just wish Mike and I got along better. >Willard -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A lie is an abomination unto the Lord and a very present help in time of trouble. -- Adlai Stevenson From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 16 22:00:46 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:00:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] All hail CGFX! was Re: OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <20090416200609.GB30038@virgo.sdc.org> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090416200609.GB30038@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <200904162200.46975.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 16 April 2009, Willard Goosey wrote: >On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:39:36AM -0400, Steven Hirsch wrote: >> At the risk of exposing my naivety, what is "CGFX" - 3rd party of >> otherwise? > >It's the C Library that does OS-9 graphics and MultiVue. Mostly it's >a C version of the gfx2 subroutine module. It provides access to all >the cursor control, drawing, colors, etc, for grfint and windint style >graphics. > >The Docs are in the Multivue manual... was the original library in >MultiVue or the Development System? > >IIRC there's some weirdnes with the original library? Because it was >linked with rlink instead of c.link? > >Anyway, a crazed hacker named Mike Sweet took it and added all the >goodies Tandy/Mircoware left out (dialogs! File picking facility! A >function that handles the Tandy menu all by itself! And I was trying >to do all that by hand? Someday I'll learn to read the library manual >FIRST! :), and made it fast. He even has better documentation. His >last version is cgfx7.lzh on rtsi. > >Willard In case anybody has lost track of what Mike is doing today, he wrote CUPS, the Common Unix Printing System. And he just about a year ago sold it to Apple on condition he went with it, and the license remained as GPL2 (maybe GPL3 now, I haven't paid as much attention as I should). So now, when you send your browser to http://localhost:631, there is a slight apple-identification to the site: The Common UNIX Printing System, CUPS, and the CUPS logo are trademarks of Apple Inc. CUPS is copyright 2007-2008 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A lie is an abomination unto the Lord and a very present help in time of trouble. -- Adlai Stevenson From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 16 22:06:18 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:06:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] All hail CGFX! was Re: OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <200904162200.46975.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090416200609.GB30038@virgo.sdc.org> <200904162200.46975.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > In case anybody has lost track of what Mike is doing today, he wrote > CUPS, the > Common Unix Printing System. And he just about a year ago sold it > to Apple on REALLY? That's cool. That is the heart of print services of Mac OS X! Coolness. -- A From georgeramsower at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 23:33:49 2009 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:33:49 -0500 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness References: <93670.19573.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c9bf0d$52cb6030$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE> Madness? I'm not sure. Here's why I say this...... Recently, I bought an old BMW motorcycle. I began hunting parts sources and found a few that provide new parts from OEM BMW. Quite expensive but available, nontheless. Then I began looking on eBay for the same parts. Same thing happens as does with the coco stuff.... "Very Rare" and all that. Often they are asking more money for a used part than what the new one cost, because they may not know that it is NOT RARE and the buyers haven't hunted for new parts. So... it's capitalism. I love it!! I have some stuff that really is rare and I can't find it anywhere on the net. So .... I'm going to capitalize on this a make some cash to put into this bike. Anyone looking for a 1968 R69S Earles model BMW rolling chassis, less engine and tranny? Can't find one anywhere but right here, from me. The only complete bike I've found just sold for $15,000. Question: Free market trading, capitalism or socialism... which do you prefer? Since this is off topic and totally un coco related, and political, please reply to me directly via.... GeorgeRamsower at gmail.com. I will NOT reply to any message on this in the coco list. Anyone that does post a reply on the coco list is a bone head and should be taken out back, behind the shed and shot or beaten. Maybe beaten first and then shot. George From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 16 22:15:42 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:15:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Cured MPI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200904162215.42273.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 16 April 2009, Boisy Pitre wrote: >I thought I would share this experience with the list. > >Over the past few months,my 26-3124 MPI has been behaving >erratically. Turning on the CoCo would sometimes register Disk BASIC >in slot 4, sometimes not. Often unplugging and replugging the MPI >into the CoCo 3 would fix the issue for a while, but not always. > >Today I went to Radio Shack and bought a twin pack of DeoxIT cleaner >and DeoxIT cleaner Gold. Following the instructions, I cleaned the >contacts on the MPI and all of the cartridge peripherals that I use in >the MPI. It took about 25 minutes to clean everything (including the >recommended 2 minute wait time between each application). After >cleaning everything, wiping the excess, and putting things back >together, my system is operating 100% properly. > >Just a little public service announcement for all of you out there... I also used that, and found that once it was used, I had to keep on using it, at what seemed like ever decreasing intervals. Not on coco's per sei, but on contacts in general. Finally I said screw it and washed as much of it off as I could with plain old paint thinner type alcohol, scrubbing it with Scott Toweling. Suddenly I wasn't doing it weekly anymore. More like yearly. As for my MPI, I sawed that solder plated bad dream finger pattern off mine 20 years ago, then found a pile of old ISA cards that were gold plated, sawed the finger pattern off one of those, verified there were no internal shorts (the first one I sawed off had 4!) then filed & fitted it to the edge of the MPI's board and put a single small drop of Rotainium brand silver bearing solder, rated as 50k pounds tensile, so that each finger pattern was bridged across the joint, effectively putting that gold plated finger pattern on my MPI. No reinforcing wire or anything. No, none, nada, zip, zilch failures since. It Just Works(TM). >Regards, >Boisy G. Pitre >-- >Tee-Boy >Mobile: 337.781.3570 >Email: boisy at tee-boy.com >Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Mr. Cole's Axiom: The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 16 22:19:27 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:19:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] All hail CGFX! was Re: OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <200904162200.46975.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200904162219.27158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 16 April 2009, Allen Huffman wrote: >On Apr 16, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> In case anybody has lost track of what Mike is doing today, he wrote >> CUPS, the >> Common Unix Printing System. And he just about a year ago sold it >> to Apple on > >REALLY? That's cool. That is the heart of print services of Mac OS X! > >Coolness. > It has also been the default printing engine for linux since around RH6.0 -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I'm wet! I'm wild! From fwp at deepthought.com Fri Apr 17 00:14:33 2009 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:14:33 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Cured MPI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090417041433.GF28671@warlock.deepthought.com> Looks like that stuff is a well kept secret. I started using Cramlin but that isn't made anymore. It was replaced by progold(?). It's a contact cleaner, microconductor as well as oil that keeps the oxygen away to prevent future oxidation. As Boisy discovered it's great stuff. Frank On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:17:55PM -0500, Boisy Pitre wrote: > I thought I would share this experience with the list. > > Over the past few months,my 26-3124 MPI has been behaving erratically. > Turning on the CoCo would sometimes register Disk BASIC in slot 4, > sometimes not. Often unplugging and replugging the MPI into the CoCo 3 > would fix the issue for a while, but not always. > > Today I went to Radio Shack and bought a twin pack of DeoxIT cleaner and > DeoxIT cleaner Gold. Following the instructions, I cleaned the contacts > on the MPI and all of the cartridge peripherals that I use in the MPI. > It took about 25 minutes to clean everything (including the recommended 2 > minute wait time between each application). After cleaning everything, > wiping the excess, and putting things back together, my system is > operating 100% properly. > > Just a little public service announcement for all of you out there... > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Tee-Boy > Mobile: 337.781.3570 > Email: boisy at tee-boy.com > Web: http://www.tee-boy.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Thu Apr 16 23:37:58 2009 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:37:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness In-Reply-To: <001901c9bf0d$52cb6030$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE> References: <93670.19573.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c9bf0d$52cb6030$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE> Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:33 PM, George Ramsower wrote: > Free market trading, capitalism or socialism... which do you prefer? Whether it's CoCo stuff, motorcycle parts, or used hard drives, I wish everyone would do what I do, and help the buyer beware. When I list an item, I put my anti-scammer jabs in my listing, often listing the serial number with "(Don't buy stolen stuff on e-bay!)" next to that section. I also list the retail price, and then the discount price for a "new" item from a major retailer (like amazon.com and usually a brick-and- mortar like Best Buy or whatever, if there is one). That way, if folks want to pay me $90 for something I tell them they could buy new for $95, I sleep well at night. So, in CoCo listings, I'd say something like "These things go for just a few bucks in the 'no-minimum-big auction' at the Chicago CoCoFests, but I've seen them sell for $200 on e-Bay, so happy bidding!"... While your listing is there, maybe it will educate other bidders... And if someone pays $200, hey, it was worth it to them! > I will NOT reply to any message on this in the coco list. Anyone > that does post a reply on the coco list is a bone head and should be > taken out back, behind the shed and shot or beaten. Maybe beaten > first and then shot. See what I did there? I pulled it back in, totally making it a CoCo/e- Bay related post. -- Allen :) -- Over 125,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en 2010: 30th Anniversary - Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer (CoCo) - http://www.coco30.com From neilsmorr at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 23:57:21 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness In-Reply-To: <001901c9bf0d$52cb6030$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE> References: <93670.19573.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c9bf0d$52cb6030$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE> Message-ID: <6BE9D47DCB4C4E12B7C71EE0D39E2CD5@NewBaby> I see that all the time. People on eBay bidding stuff up to the roof - and if you go to Amazon, say, or elsewhere you can buy it for a fraction. I just bought a book there for a penny plus $3.99 shipping - eBay is almost always more. And I see my days of picking up pocket computers for peanuts are gone :( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220396034547 Current bid: US $50.01 Neil -------------------------------------------------- From: "George Ramsower" > Madness? I'm not sure. > > Here's why I say this...... > > Recently, I bought an old BMW motorcycle. I began hunting parts sources > and found a few that provide new parts from OEM BMW. Quite expensive but > available, nontheless. > Then I began looking on eBay for the same parts. > Same thing happens as does with the coco stuff.... "Very Rare" and all > that. > Often they are asking more money for a used part than what the new one > cost, because they may not know that it is NOT RARE and the buyers haven't > hunted for new parts. ... From hyperfrog at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 00:27:58 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:27:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] More ebay madness In-Reply-To: <001901c9bf0d$52cb6030$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE> References: <93670.19573.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c9bf0d$52cb6030$6401a8c0@OLDGEORGE> Message-ID: <49E8054E.3020709@gmail.com> George Ramsower wrote: > Often they are asking more money for a used part than what the new one > cost, because they may not know that it is NOT RARE and the buyers > haven't hunted for new parts. > So... it's capitalism. I love it!! I have nothing against people trying to sell something that is genuinely rare for a very high price. What I dislike is when someone tries to make believe that something is rare when it is not. I think you can practice capitalism without being a deceiver. As far as I'm concerned, taking advantage of naive or uninformed people is certainly not my way of doing business! > Question: > > Free market trading, capitalism or socialism... which do you prefer? > > Since this is off topic and totally un coco related, and political, > please reply to me directly via.... > GeorgeRamsower at gmail.com. > > I will NOT reply to any message on this in the coco list. You know what? The web crawlers are gonna grab your email address ('cause this list also appears on the web), and you'll receive spam like never before! That's the price you'll have to pay for posting a motorcylcle-related ad on the CoCo list. > Anyone that does post a reply on the coco list is a bone head and > should be taken out back, behind the shed and shot or beaten. Maybe > beaten first and then shot. I'll take this as an attempt at humor. Christian From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Fri Apr 17 14:28:06 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:28:06 -0600 Subject: [Coco] OS-9 environment variables? In-Reply-To: <200904162153.49319.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20090415033031.4081320A13@qs281.pair.com> <20090416194415.GA30038@virgo.sdc.org> <200904162153.49319.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20090417182806.GA13230@virgo.sdc.org> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 09:53:49PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Amen. I just wish Mike and I got along better. Don't get along, eh? Bummer. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From lamune at doki-doki.net Fri Apr 17 15:12:44 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: DMS-3/110 Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1FB@fenestra.lamunet.local> Sorry to interrupt, but with so many old timers on the list I was wondering if anyone has any good info on a DMS-3/110 CP/M machine I got hold of. The thing is in awesome condition for something made in 1983. The 8 inch floppy still works and the 8 inch Memorex 114 SA1000 interface hard drive spins up. Quite noisy. I can get into the ROM monitor but I can't seem to get it to boot. I see a 4MHz Z80 with 64k of memory in 4 banks of 16k chips. The hard drive controller is another full-board Z80 computer with 32k. This thing really belongs in a museum. They really don't make them like this anymore. From coder32768 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 15:37:34 2009 From: coder32768 at gmail.com (Rick Taylor) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:37:34 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: DMS-3/110 In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1FB@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD04B1FB@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: Cool - you have pictures? I don't know a thing about CP/M.. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Mike Pepe wrote: > Sorry to interrupt, but with so many old timers on the list I was > wondering if anyone has any good info on a DMS-3/110 CP/M machine I got > hold of. > > > > The thing is in awesome condition for something made in 1983. The 8 inch > floppy still works and the 8 inch Memorex 114 SA1000 interface hard > drive spins up. Quite noisy. > > > > I can get into the ROM monitor but I can't seem to get it to boot. > > > > I see a 4MHz Z80 with 64k of memory in 4 banks of 16k chips. The hard > drive controller is another full-board Z80 computer with 32k. > > > > This thing really belongs in a museum. They really don't make them like > this anymore. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- All of this machinery making modern music can still be open hearted - not so coldly charted; it's really just a question of your honesty. - Neil Peart, Rush, _The Spirit of Radio_ From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 18 00:03:37 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:03:37 -0500 Subject: [Coco] os9.exe Message-ID: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> Does anyone here use os9.exe from Toolshed? I'm adding the 'mount' command to OS-9/CoCoNet now and in addition to mouting .dsk images on a remote PC or from the web, I'd like to try to mount a PC directory or a web directory. My initial method for doing this will be to copy the source files onto a newly formatted OS-9 disk image and then mount that image in the CoCoNet server. So, I'm trying to create a new OS-9 disk image by using: os9 format new.dsk -st=18 -t320 but the resulting image is only 3200 or so bytes. Also, the default sectors per track is showing to be 2 when the disk summary is reported if I don't supply the -st option. The os9.exe help listing shows the default to be 18. Any suggestions? -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 18 00:33:40 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] os9.exe In-Reply-To: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200904180033.45553.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 18 April 2009, Roger Taylor wrote: >Does anyone here use os9.exe from Toolshed? > >I'm adding the 'mount' command to OS-9/CoCoNet now and in addition to >mouting .dsk images on a remote PC or from the web, I'd like to try >to mount a PC directory or a web directory. My initial method for >doing this will be to copy the source files onto a newly formatted >OS-9 disk image and then mount that image in the CoCoNet server. > >So, I'm trying to create a new OS-9 disk image by using: os9 format >new.dsk -st=18 -t320 >but the resulting image is only 3200 or so bytes. Also, the default >sectors per track is showing to be 2 when the disk summary is >reported if I don't supply the -st option. The os9.exe help listing >shows the default to be 18. > >Any suggestions? I believe t (tracks) is likely only byte wide, as is that register in the 17xx fdc's. So 320 would be an overflow, with undefined results. Try it at 254 and see what you get. A bit of quick work with kcalc says you should get a 2,340,864 byte image, rather large by floppy standards at that. If there isn't a doofy download mucking with your results. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) All Finagle Laws may be bypassed by learning the simple art of doing without thinking. From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sat Apr 18 00:58:36 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Coco] os9.exe In-Reply-To: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49E95DFC.2060705@bjork-huffman.net> What about mounting it as a hard drive and not as a floppy drive image? We are talking OS-9 here and not Disk Basic. By design OS-9 can handle both hard and floppy drives but Disk Basic was design for Floppies only. Steve Bjork. Roger Taylor wrote: > Does anyone here use os9.exe from Toolshed? > > I'm adding the 'mount' command to OS-9/CoCoNet now and in addition to > mouting .dsk images on a remote PC or from the web, I'd like to try to > mount a PC directory or a web directory. My initial method for doing > this will be to copy the source files onto a newly formatted OS-9 disk > image and then mount that image in the CoCoNet server. > > So, I'm trying to create a new OS-9 disk image by using: os9 format > new.dsk -st=18 -t320 > but the resulting image is only 3200 or so bytes. Also, the default > sectors per track is showing to be 2 when the disk summary is reported > if I don't supply the -st option. The os9.exe help listing shows the > default to be 18. > > Any suggestions? > From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Sat Apr 18 02:22:36 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:22:36 -0600 Subject: [Coco] m4 for os9 Message-ID: <20090418062236.GB20491@virgo.sdc.org> Did anyone ever port, or write, a general macro-processor like *NIX m4, or the old Software Tools Macro, for OS-9? Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From tlindner at macmess.org Sat Apr 18 02:24:32 2009 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:24:32 -0700 Subject: [Coco] os9.exe In-Reply-To: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <1iycbik.g8bam66x11koM%tlindner@macmess.org> Roger Taylor wrote: > So, I'm trying to create a new OS-9 disk image by using: os9 format > new.dsk -st=18 -t320 > but the resulting image is only 3200 or so bytes. You need to add the -e switch. Otherwise it just writes short images. Also, no equal sign on the -st switch. os9 format new.dsk -st18 -t320 -e -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From devries.bob at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 02:53:21 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:53:21 +1000 Subject: [Coco] m4 for os9 References: <20090418062236.GB20491@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <005b01c9bff2$655e9ce0$0701a8c0@master> Willard, The source for M4 is on RTSI in \OS9\OSK\GNU\SRC Maybe it could be ported? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willard Goosey" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: [Coco] m4 for os9 > Did anyone ever port, or write, a general macro-processor like *NIX m4, > or the old Software Tools Macro, for OS-9? > > Willard > -- > Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org > Socorro, New Mexico, USA > I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. > -- R.E. Howard > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From nickma at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 18 06:12:47 2009 From: nickma at optusnet.com.au (Nick Marentes) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:12:47 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Experimentor boards Message-ID: <49E9A79F.3020006@optusnet.com.au> Does anyone know where I could buy some experimenter circuit boards that would plug into the CoCo expansion bus (has the 40 pin edge connector)? Nick Marentes From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sat Apr 18 08:13:58 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:13:58 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] april 1990 spine removal and scanning In-Reply-To: <49A5CD7A.14124.99A6BD5@shadow.shadowgard.com> Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, shadow at ... wrote: > > > Haven't tried it myself, but that glue may melt with a hair dryer. > Some of those glues get *really* brittle if you freeze them too. > > > > -- > i have tried it and i know for a fact a "stanley knife" cuts thru the glue on the spine like a hot knife thru butter ;-) From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 18 10:22:59 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:22:59 -0500 Subject: [Coco] os9.exe In-Reply-To: <49E95DFC.2060705@bjork-huffman.net> References: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E95DFC.2060705@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <20090418142336.28C9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> At 11:58 PM 4/17/2009, you wrote: >What about mounting it as a hard drive and not as a floppy drive image? >We are talking OS-9 here and not Disk Basic. By design OS-9 can >handle both hard and floppy drives but Disk Basic was design for Floppies only. > >Steve Bjork. No mounting of the .dsk file yet... I'm trying to create it first using os9.exe but the resulting size is way off. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From kannonballer at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 10:34:28 2009 From: kannonballer at gmail.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:34:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Experimentor boards In-Reply-To: <49E9A79F.3020006@optusnet.com.au> References: <49E9A79F.3020006@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <29cf19d20904180734v1461f5adn800e42678206688a@mail.gmail.com> I have several prototypes that I have built. I am working on one for production. As I am still in the design phase, what would you like to see on a such a board? Chris Smith On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Nick Marentes wrote: > Does anyone know where I could buy some experimenter circuit boards that > would plug into the CoCo expansion bus (has the 40 pin edge connector)? > > Nick Marentes > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sat Apr 18 10:57:15 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:57:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] os9.exe In-Reply-To: <20090418142336.28C9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E95DFC.2060705@bjork-huffman.net> <20090418142336.28C9E20A15@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49E9EA4B.8070105@bjork-huffman.net> Well, there is an old trick of changing the number of sectors per track to get around the limit of the number of tracks. The hard drive manufactures used it in the early days of the PC to get around the limit of the number of tracks. It was then up to the hard drive to convert the track/sector of the PC into the real track and sector of the hard drive. I believe that most IDE hard drives still work this way today. At lease, they have have a translation table for to replace sectors when they go bad. Steve Bjork Roger Taylor wrote: > No mounting of the .dsk file yet... I'm trying to create it first > using os9.exe but the resulting size is way off. > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sat Apr 18 11:18:07 2009 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:18:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] os9.exe In-Reply-To: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <49E9EF2F.6030601@worldnet.att.net> Roger Taylor wrote: > Does anyone here use os9.exe from Toolshed? > > I'm adding the 'mount' command to OS-9/CoCoNet now and in addition to > mouting .dsk images on a remote PC or from the web, I'd like to try to > mount a PC directory or a web directory. My initial method for doing > this will be to copy the source files onto a newly formatted OS-9 disk > image and then mount that image in the CoCoNet server. > > So, I'm trying to create a new OS-9 disk image by using: os9 format > new.dsk -st=18 -t320 > but the resulting image is only 3200 or so bytes. Also, the default > sectors per track is showing to be 2 when the disk summary is reported > if I don't supply the -st option. The os9.exe help listing shows the > default to be 18. > > Any suggestions? > The syntax of the command can be seen online by typing os9 format That ought to be enough to figure out how to create the desired disk image. From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sat Apr 18 11:40:13 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 08:40:13 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Experimenter boards (and the Hi-res Joystick interface) In-Reply-To: <49E9A79F.3020006@optusnet.com.au> References: <49E9A79F.3020006@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <49E9F45D.90500@bjork-huffman.net> There was an Apple II perfboard what worked well for designing circuits for the CoCo because one end had a 40 pin edge connector. They fit well into a CoCo with lots of room for parts since the were about 8 inches long. I remember using them to build a number gadgets for the CoCo. One project was the first version of the Hi-Res Joystick interface that read the output of a real mouse or trackball (of that age) and converted it into something the CoCo could use. But like most interfaces of the time, it would been about $100.00 retail and Tandy felt that very few CoCo users would spend $200 for both a mouse and interface. It would be a few years before the mouse and interface would be combined and talk to the PC via the RS-232 port. (What we now know as the serial mouse.) Anyway, that's why Hi-RES Joystick interface was designed the way it was. (Cheap.) Nick, I'll be heading down to Fry's later today and will check on the boards. If they have any, I see who still makes them and get the information so you can order them on-line. Steve Bjork Nick Marentes wrote: > Does anyone know where I could buy some experimenter circuit boards > that would plug into the CoCo expansion bus (has the 40 pin edge > connector)? > > Nick Marentes > From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Sat Apr 18 12:49:04 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:49:04 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Experimentor boards In-Reply-To: <29cf19d20904180734v1461f5adn800e42678206688a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E9A79F.3020006@optusnet.com.au> <29cf19d20904180734v1461f5adn800e42678206688a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EA0480.4030403@embarqmail.com> Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Nick Marentes wrote: > >> Does anyone know where I could buy some experimenter circuit boards that >> would plug into the CoCo expansion bus (has the 40 pin edge connector)? >> >> Nick Marentes http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1 From ty140 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 18 13:12:33 2009 From: ty140 at hotmail.com (Ty S) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:12:33 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic In-Reply-To: <00d501c9bbf3$267ec8e0$0701a8c0@master> References: <49DE38CB.1010506@gmail.com><49DE3AC5.9020506@gmail.com><49DFEC3A.7020202@gmail.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DC4@fenestra.lamunet.local> <00d501c9bbf3$267ec8e0$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Time is pretty tight over here. I think my "CoCo hands" are tied for quite some time. Sorry! Ty > From: devries.bob at gmail.com > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:48:51 +1000 > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > Ty, > > Is there any chance you could wave your magic wand over the PAL version of > the coco3 schematic and produce such a great document for that? > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ty S" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > > > Thanks for the kind comments! It was created in PSpice, exported as a > bitmap, then color-coded in an image editor. For most of the ICs, I had to > create custom (dummy) libraries to get the same pinout as what was used in > the original schematic to keep the layout consistent. > > > > If anyone finds an error, please let me know. I checked it a few times > before posting it, but we're all human... > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Ty > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:44:48 -0700 > > From: lamune at doki-doki.net > > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > > > Ditto that comment. Ty- what did you use to make this? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of N8WQ > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:03 PM > > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > > Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > > > > > I want to thank everyone for the schematics, but I have to say that > > > "this" schematic is absolutely beautiful! : > > > > > > Alan Jones > > > > > > -- > > > N8WQ - Canal Winchester, Ohio > > > http://exwn8jef.googlepages.com/home > > > > > > > > > > > > Ty S wrote: > > > > It's been awhile since I've posted to this group -- there's a > > cleanly > > > redone schematic at my [defunct] website: > > > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3main.html or > > > > > > > > http://www.iit.edu/~sopktyg/coco3sc1.zip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:13:25 -0400 > > > >> From: hyperfrog at gmail.com > > > >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com > > > >> Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo 3 Schematic > > > >> > > > >> N8WQ wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Does anyone have a good clear schematic (easily readable) for the > > > CoCo 3? > > > >>> My copy is blurry and not clear. > > > >>> > > > >>> Alan Jones > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> There is a readable one there : > > > >> > > > >> ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MANUALS0/TANDY/HARDWARE/COCO3/PICS/ > > > >> > > > >> Get pages 103 to 128. > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> > > > >> Christian > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Coco mailing list > > > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > >> > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. > > > > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_04200 > > > 9 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Coco mailing list > > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: > > > 04/10/09 18:27:00 > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage2_042009 From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sat Apr 18 13:34:28 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:34:28 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Experimentor boards In-Reply-To: <49EA0480.4030403@embarqmail.com> References: <49E9A79F.3020006@optusnet.com.au> <29cf19d20904180734v1461f5adn800e42678206688a@mail.gmail.com> <49EA0480.4030403@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <49EA0F24.9060605@bjork-huffman.net> Sorry Dave, that link only goes to the main search page and not the page with the product. Dave Kelly wrote: > http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1 > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Sat Apr 18 13:49:22 2009 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:49:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Experimentor boards In-Reply-To: <49EA0F24.9060605@bjork-huffman.net> References: <49E9A79F.3020006@optusnet.com.au> <29cf19d20904180734v1461f5adn800e42678206688a@mail.gmail.com> <49EA0480.4030403@embarqmail.com> <49EA0F24.9060605@bjork-huffman.net> Message-ID: <49EA12A2.6000906@embarqmail.com> Steve Bjork wrote: > Sorry Dave, that link only goes to the main search page and not the page > with the product. I left that to the OP. Whats the fun of looking at a catalog if you don't have to turn the page? Dave From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Sat Apr 18 14:03:18 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:03:18 -0600 Subject: [Coco] m4 for os9 In-Reply-To: <005b01c9bff2$655e9ce0$0701a8c0@master> References: <20090418062236.GB20491@virgo.sdc.org> <005b01c9bff2$655e9ce0$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <20090418180318.GA325@virgo.sdc.org> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 04:53:21PM +1000, Bob Devries wrote: > The source for M4 is on RTSI in \OS9\OSK\GNU\SRC > > Maybe it could be ported? Humm. Might be worth trying. That might be related to the source I'd tried to port before, and failed. But I think ansifront will work around the compiler bug I was tripping over. I'll give it a try. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From hyperfrog at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 16:27:29 2009 From: hyperfrog at gmail.com (Christian Lesage) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:27:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] How do you clean oxidized IC legs? Message-ID: <49EA37B1.2010405@gmail.com> I've been restoring a few classic computers lately, and I found that some ICs (especially TI and MOSTEK ones) had their legs so much oxidized that they turned black. What is the best way to clean those legs? Thanks, Christian From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 18 17:46:32 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Coco] os9.exe In-Reply-To: <49E9EF2F.6030601@worldnet.att.net> References: <20090418040412.A9D0020A13@qs281.pair.com> <49E9EF2F.6030601@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20090418214712.AD8AD20A15@qs281.pair.com> At 10:18 AM 4/18/2009, you wrote: >Roger Taylor wrote: >>Does anyone here use os9.exe from Toolshed? >>I'm adding the 'mount' command to OS-9/CoCoNet now and in addition >>to mouting .dsk images on a remote PC or from the web, I'd like to >>try to mount a PC directory or a web directory. My initial method >>for doing this will be to copy the source files onto a newly >>formatted OS-9 disk image and then mount that image in the CoCoNet server. >>So, I'm trying to create a new OS-9 disk image by using: os9 format >>new.dsk -st=18 -t320 >>but the resulting image is only 3200 or so bytes. Also, the >>default sectors per track is showing to be 2 when the disk summary >>is reported if I don't supply the -st option. The os9.exe help >>listing shows the default to be 18. >>Any suggestions? > >The syntax of the command can be seen online by typing >os9 format >That ought to be enough to figure out how to create the desired disk image. I've seen the syntax readout already. I said when I don't supply the sectors per track, it shows it used 2 instead of 18 like the syntax dump says is the default. In addition, images are very short in size which suggests the old Vavasour format. Not for me. Anyway, I'll try the -e option in a bit... just got home. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From snhirsch at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 20:08:39 2009 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] How do you clean oxidized IC legs? In-Reply-To: <49EA37B1.2010405@gmail.com> References: <49EA37B1.2010405@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Apr 2009, Christian Lesage wrote: > I've been restoring a few classic computers lately, and I found that some ICs > (especially TI and MOSTEK ones) had their legs so much oxidized that they > turned black. What is the best way to clean those legs? If they're really that bad, put a little drop of brass polish on the end of a Q-Tip and roll it against the leads from both sides. You may have to use a couple if a lot of gunk comes off. If you are in a low-humidity situation, work on a piece of tinfoil and make sure your hand or wrist is in contact with it and the chip to keep you at the same potential. Works like a charm. Steve -- From operator at coco3.com Sat Apr 18 20:56:29 2009 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] upload to the CoCo Gallery Message-ID: <20090419005715.7CCFA20A14@qs281.pair.com> Folks, I'm not sure why the gallery isn't adding user albums automatically like the system says it will, but I don't mind adding your very own picture album so you can upload your favorite CoCo pictures like we did in the past. Years back the Gallery system used a separate login account which would create your own album at the time of sign-up. The new integration with the site uses your existing user account for the forums/gallery/site articles. When you first visit the User Albums, the system is supposed to add your own album there. I guess it's not doing that. So, if you're a registered user on coco3.com and have a lot of cool CoCo pictures you want to share, please say "give me an album". All I need is your username. You can e-mail me privately or on this list. -- Roger Taylor http://www.wordofthedayonline.com From smostrom7 at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 21:10:19 2009 From: smostrom7 at comcast.net (Steve Ostrom) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:10:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Orchestra 90CC In-Reply-To: <20090419005715.7CCFA20A14@qs281.pair.com> References: <20090419005715.7CCFA20A14@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <188587DDCD1E41B3B5D3AD6E67364FB3@OstromPC> Does anyone know if these 13 Orchestra 90 disks for the Model I/III can be used for the Coco's Orchestra 90CC Pak? I know the disks can't be directly loaded into the Coco, but can the songs themselves be imported and used on the Coco? These are on eBay, number : 280335494981 It would be fun to hear them played on the Coco. I'm willing to buy them if someone can import them. Thanks! -- Steve -- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 18 23:22:53 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:22:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] How do you clean oxidized IC legs? In-Reply-To: <49EA37B1.2010405@gmail.com> References: <49EA37B1.2010405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904182322.54131.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 18 April 2009, Christian Lesage wrote: >I've been restoring a few classic computers lately, and I found that >some ICs (especially TI and MOSTEK ones) had their legs so much oxidized >that they turned black. What is the best way to clean those legs? > A silverware cleaning solution sold under the brand name of 'Tarnex". A 5 minute soak, with lots of agitation, followed by a good rinse off in hot running water, drop them on a terry towel and finish drying with a hair dryer. If 5 minutes isn't enough (and I had a piece of gear that spent its first 10 years in a NYC tv production house, it took 3 sessions with some of them to turn the legs white again) In extreme cases, you might have to pour some into the sockets, but with the cleanup being so difficult, its really got to be bad before I'll resort to that. Do not reuse the solution more than twice, and never pour it back in the bottle once its been used. I used an old china coffee cup which held about 20 14 and 16 pin chips at a time. Even then, cleaning several hundred of them got old fast. The 2nd batch of chips in that coffee cup of Tarnex, never did come really clean, but I apparently wasn't getting the message. :( >Thanks, > >Christian > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Animals can be driven crazy by putting too many in too small a pen. Homo sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself. -- Lazarus Long From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Apr 18 23:32:39 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:32:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] How do you clean oxidized IC legs? In-Reply-To: References: <49EA37B1.2010405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904182332.39210.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 18 April 2009, Steven Hirsch wrote: >On Sat, 18 Apr 2009, Christian Lesage wrote: >> I've been restoring a few classic computers lately, and I found that some >> ICs (especially TI and MOSTEK ones) had their legs so much oxidized that >> they turned black. What is the best way to clean those legs? > >If they're really that bad, put a little drop of brass polish on the end >of a Q-Tip and roll it against the leads from both sides. You may have to >use a couple if a lot of gunk comes off. > >If you are in a low-humidity situation, work on a piece of tinfoil and >make sure your hand or wrist is in contact with it and the chip to keep >you at the same potential. > >Works like a charm. > >Steve 'tinfoil'=aluminum foil. And the breakdown voltage of the alu oxide that forms on it when its scratched, about .001 second after the tool that scratched it has passed, has a breakdown voltage of about 50 volts. Aged as it comes off a roll of Reynolds wrap, it could be as high as 400 volts. Little or no effective static control can be found in that. The best deal I ever had was a semi-conductive brown rubber mat that I picked up on sale, 24x36", for about 30 bucks, 15 years ago. I think it is still on the workbench at the tv station. I never damaged a chip while working on that. I'd blown 2 the week before I got it, working on a benchtop with that white masonite on it. Even in bad shape, that stuff was hot. 10kv just from sliding a dry, bare hand over it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 18 23:39:04 2009 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:39:04 -0500 Subject: [Coco] How to keep contacts oxide free Message-ID: <49EA9CD8.8030200@sbcglobal.net> I don't know the brand name of the oil but I know someone who uses a heavy mineral oil. The idea is to keep air away from the surface. Has anyone else used anything similar? -- Brian Goers Glenside Color Computer Club URL Glenside Vice-President of Special Events http://GlensideCCC.com IDE Boards are available. Show cost $45.00 The 19th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! Includes items in the picture Will be held MAY 15 & 16, 2010! Holiday Inn & Suites in Elgin. The dates for the 19th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! have been secured. From stinger30au at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 19 07:57:02 2009 From: stinger30au at yahoo.com.au (stinger30au) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:57:02 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: hot coco janurary 1985 scanned and uploading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Gordon Rahman" wrote: > > > > Hello, > > How do I enjoy this scanned pages? > Where is your site located? > > Gordon > > excalibur1.net/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 09:58:26 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? Message-ID: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Was wondering if it would be possible to get a Homebrew custom coco cartridge working. I know for the Atari home computer and consoles as well as the NES and SNES there are people who have created cartridges for these systems with multiple games on each cartridge, anywhere from 3 in 1 all the way up to 100 in 1 games on a single cartridge. Could you put multiple game roms with a menu on a single cartridge? The reason I ask is I just saw the custom made cartridge board advertisement on the coco3.com home page and it got me curious ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From linville at tuxdriver.com Sun Apr 19 10:23:06 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:23:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090419142305.GB3314@tuxdriver.com> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 06:58:26AM -0700, Derek wrote: > Was wondering if it would be possible to get a Homebrew custom coco > cartridge working. I know for the Atari home computer and consoles as > well as the NES and SNES there are people who have created cartridges > for these systems with multiple games on each cartridge, anywhere from > 3 in 1 all the way up to 100 in 1 games on a single cartridge. Could > you put multiple game roms with a menu on a single cartridge? That would certainly be one obvious use for the Flashpak that Cloud-9 was previewing at the 2009 CoCoFEST! in Chicago. Let's hope that gets to be available soon! > The reason I ask is I just saw the custom made cartridge board > advertisement on the coco3.com home page and it got me curious Hey, that's cool. Maybe Roger will also make available some of those cartridge cases he is using for his wireless pak? Where did he get those, anyway? John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun Apr 19 11:04:57 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:04:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1D9D9E2E5A1B4E098E210C193FF1B9BB@speedy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" > Was wondering if it would be possible to get > a Homebrew custom coco cartridge working. > Could you put multiple game roms with a menu > on a single cartridge? I piggybacked the Polaris & Chess ROMs back in 1985 with a switch between them. That still works. What you need to do is set up switches to allow any 4k to 8k section to address at &hC000. Conceivably you could make a soft switch controllable with pokes, but most cartridges would require a hard reset to exit. > The reason I ask is I just saw the custom made > cartridge board advertisement on the coco3.com > home page and it got me curious They come with jumpers or switches for 8k upper, 8k lower or all 16k of the 27128 EPROM. That is a 2 in one ROM pack. Figure out the switch pattern for the 27512 EPROM and you have 8 or more RomPaks in one. Bruce W. From rbihler at msn.com Sun Apr 19 12:12:39 2009 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:12:39 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: <20090419142305.GB3314@tuxdriver.com> References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090419142305.GB3314@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: John W. Linville wrote: > Hey, that's cool. Maybe Roger will also make available some of those > cartridge cases he is using for his wireless pak? Where did he get > those, anyway? > > John > I have been making the cases, thanks to Roger some of the details have been worked out and improved. The last issue is the low cost material has some blemishes on the non machined side. I would recommend a large decal or sticker. We have tried to put the best surface out, but that doesn't always work. Anyway contact me off list for more details. Ron rbihler at msn.com From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 19 14:04:15 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:04:15 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49EB679F.3010508@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Derek wrote: > Was wondering if it would be possible to get a Homebrew custom coco > cartridge working. I know for the Atari home computer and consoles as > well as the NES and SNES there are people who have created > cartridges for these systems with multiple games on each cartridge, > anywhere from 3 in 1 all the way up to 100 in 1 games on a single > cartridge. Could you put multiple game roms with a menu on a single > cartridge? Yep, I have done that with a large flashrom, and a CPLD to act as an address latch, first bank of flash had the menu in it, and then further banks had the cart code. My multi-cart could also handle .cas files stored in the flash and would load them into RAM and execute them, additionally it would re-tokenise between Dragon and CoCo depending on the source cas file, and the machine it was running on. I *MUST* make this design available at some point, if there's enough interest I could put the designs (eagle) and code (6809 for the cart, and freepascal for the programs to build the flashrom file) up, but be warned that the documentation is minimal :) > The reason I ask is I just saw the custom made cartridge board > advertisement on the coco3.com home page and it got me curious Not guilty, but a basic bankswitched cart isn't that hard to do, a decoder off the address lines and a latch should do it, even simpler if you don't need to use it at the same time as disk drives, as you can just use P2/SCS to enable the latch at $FF40. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From linville at tuxdriver.com Sun Apr 19 14:10:49 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:10:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: <49EB679F.3010508@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49EB679F.3010508@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090419181048.GC3314@tuxdriver.com> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 07:04:15PM +0100, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: > Derek wrote: >> The reason I ask is I just saw the custom made cartridge board >> advertisement on the coco3.com home page and it got me curious > > Not guilty, but a basic bankswitched cart isn't that hard to do, a > decoder off the address lines and a latch should do it, even simpler if > you don't need to use it at the same time as disk drives, as you can > just use P2/SCS to enable the latch at $FF40. FWIW, it just occured to me that the Predator and Robocop ROM Paks already have the requisite hardware to switch between a minimal number of images. Of course, neither of them seems to be common... John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Apr 19 14:34:44 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:34:44 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmm... would be fun to have just one PAK containing any ROM-PAK ever released for the CoCo. The bank-switching types would be the harder ones to implement I guess. Have there been more than 256? If not, an 8-positon DIP switch (e.g. http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/images/products/DIP-Switch.jpg ) would be fine to select. More advanced: up/down buttons and a little 3-digit 7-segment display (e.g. http://www.lc-led.com/images/displays/digitdisplays/3digit/blue3Digit_m.jpg ). Should memorize the last selection then... From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 19 15:51:14 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:51:14 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49EB80B2.1010803@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Torsten Dittel wrote: > Hmmm... would be fun to have just one PAK containing any ROM-PAK ever > released for the CoCo. The bank-switching types would be the harder ones > to implement I guess. Have there been more than 256? If not, an > 8-positon DIP switch (e.g. > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/images/products/DIP-Switch.jpg ) would > be fine to select. More advanced: up/down buttons and a little 3-digit > 7-segment display (e.g. > http://www.lc-led.com/images/displays/digitdisplays/3digit/blue3Digit_m.jpg > ). Should memorize the last selection then... Aggghhhh noooo, one of my real pet hates, is people that make hardware for retro computers and then put BLUE leds on them :) mostly because they seem out of character with retro gear. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 19 16:05:13 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:05:13 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RLL hard drive Message-ID: <000001c9c12a$2726a100$7573e300$@rr.com> Does anyone know if an RLL hard drive will co-exist with an IDE in a PC? I haven't had time to try it, and I'd like to hear if anyone has made it work so I won't mess things up. Thanks ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 16:31:30 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:31:30 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Anyone need a manual for a Gemini-10x DMP? Message-ID: <889830d00904191331t251cb5c4g44d833f2d329b345@mail.gmail.com> Gemini-10x Dot Matrix Printer manual (Star Micronics Inc.) Your just for the cost of postage. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 16:32:28 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:32:28 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Sardis Disk Controller Message-ID: <889830d00904191332o172ae3efve94e5b0fa49854b7@mail.gmail.com> Anyone out there still using a Sardis No-halt Disk Controller? Drop me a line in private. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Apr 19 16:37:19 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:37:19 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: <49EB80B2.1010803@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49EB80B2.1010803@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Phill Harvey-Smith schrieb: > Aggghhhh noooo, one of my real pet hates, is people that make hardware > for retro computers and then put BLUE leds on them :) mostly because > they seem out of character with retro gear. > > Cheers. > > Phill. LOL, just kidding (I knew someone would complain). Of course I would prefer 3 Nixie tubes (Steve Wozniak has some of them in his wrist watch: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Nixie_Wozniak.jpg ) Some pix: http://www.tube-tester.com/sites/nixie/trade01-nixie-tubes.htm ;-)))) From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 16:48:43 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:48:43 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Looking for Rodney Hamilton Message-ID: <889830d00904191348u29d57acci2e771b96499081f6@mail.gmail.com> Rodney! Drop me a line if you are out there. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 16:50:35 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Any CoCo archivists out there? Message-ID: <889830d00904191350w3963cffm9dfadf7ec0a221a7@mail.gmail.com> Hey gang! I am going through all my CoCo stuff (again!) and I am coming across a lot of notes, documents, fliers, and price lists. I am thinking of either boxing this up and sending it to GCCC so they can have next year's FEST Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 16:58:10 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:58:10 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Any CoCo archivists out there? In-Reply-To: <889830d00904191350w3963cffm9dfadf7ec0a221a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904191350w3963cffm9dfadf7ec0a221a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <889830d00904191358h247ae3b7s7553e4757d136629@mail.gmail.com> ARRRG! I hit the freaking wrong button! Here we go again: Hey gang! I am going through all my CoCo stuff (again!) and I am coming across a lot of notes, documents, fliers, and price lists that people have given me, and I am wondering if this stuff is of any use or interest to anyone. I am thinking of either boxing this up and sending it to GCCC so they can let attendees at next year's FEST sort through this stuff, or give it to one person to and it (online or elsewhere). Does anyone from GCCC have any thoughts about this? Is there anyone willing to archive this stuff? We are talking at least one 17 X 8.5 X 10 box of paper here. It's going to weigh a lot, and I am having to save pennies right now. Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Jim Cox wrote: > Hey gang! > > I am going through all my CoCo stuff (again!) and I am coming across a lot > of notes, documents, fliers, and price lists. I am thinking of either > boxing this up and sending it to GCCC so they can have next year's FEST > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 17:11:29 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:11:29 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It should be possible with the ROMs we have today. You could add some of the cassette software as well. It would start off with a menu you'd scroll through to select the game. You'd have to press Reset to get back to the menu. Neil -------------------------------------------------- From: "Torsten Dittel" > Hmmm... would be fun to have just one PAK containing any ROM-PAK ever > released for the CoCo. From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 19 17:52:06 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:52:06 +0100 Subject: [Coco] RLL hard drive In-Reply-To: <000001c9c12a$2726a100$7573e300$@rr.com> References: <000001c9c12a$2726a100$7573e300$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49EB9D06.9050008@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Bill wrote: > Does anyone know if an RLL hard drive will co-exist with an IDE in a PC? I > haven't had time to try it, and I'd like to hear if anyone has made it work > so I won't mess things up. I have tried it with an MFM controler, which is pretty similar, and the answer is it depends on a lot of things some MFM/FLL cards can be jumpered to co-exist with IDE controlers others not. Also there is the rather more serious problems with compatibility between drives formatted on different controlers, though I have found that if they use the same chipset, then you have a much better chance of making it work, even between different machines, e.g. I have an old Altos 3068 unix machine that has a WD MFM chipset, and I can read it's drives on a WD baded PC MFM controler. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 18:24:51 2009 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:24:51 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Any CoCo archivists out there? In-Reply-To: <889830d00904191358h247ae3b7s7553e4757d136629@mail.gmail.com> References: <889830d00904191350w3963cffm9dfadf7ec0a221a7@mail.gmail.com> <889830d00904191358h247ae3b7s7553e4757d136629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <74A927587A24430AAD6CC17513B67D9E@NewBaby> Did you try the Rainbow Archive group? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive/ Neil -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Cox" > Hey gang! > > I am going through all my CoCo stuff (again!) and I am coming across a lot > of notes, documents, fliers, and price lists that people have given me, > and > I am wondering if this stuff is of any use or interest to anyone. > > I am thinking of either boxing this up and sending it to GCCC so they can > let attendees at next year's FEST sort through this stuff, or give it to > one > person to and it (online or elsewhere). > > Does anyone from GCCC have any thoughts about this? Is there anyone > willing > to archive this stuff? > > We are talking at least one 17 X 8.5 X 10 box of paper here. It's going > to > weigh a lot, and I am having to save pennies right now. > > Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ > http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Apr 19 18:37:12 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:37:12 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Neil Morrison schrieb: > It should be possible with the ROMs we have today. You could add some of > the cassette software as well. > > It would start off with a menu you'd scroll through to select the game. > You'd have to press Reset to get back to the menu. Hmmm... true, snapshots e.g. like MOCHA ( http://JAVA.TANDY.CC ) is using could even allow tape and disk software. However, as a purist I'd like to have the "Complete All-in-one Original TANDY ROM PAK Collection"... From nutz4coco at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 18:57:28 2009 From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:57:28 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Any CoCo archivists out there? In-Reply-To: <74A927587A24430AAD6CC17513B67D9E@NewBaby> References: <889830d00904191350w3963cffm9dfadf7ec0a221a7@mail.gmail.com> <889830d00904191358h247ae3b7s7553e4757d136629@mail.gmail.com> <74A927587A24430AAD6CC17513B67D9E@NewBaby> Message-ID: <889830d00904191557r409cb12embc9a7cc44ce87247@mail.gmail.com> Hi Neil, Yeah, someone just told me about it. I have been negligent in watching the list. Thanks! Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Neil Morrison wrote: > > Did you try the Rainbow Archive group? > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive/ > > Neil > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jim Cox" > > > Hey gang! >> >> I am going through all my CoCo stuff (again!) and I am coming across a lot >> of notes, documents, fliers, and price lists that people have given me, >> and >> I am wondering if this stuff is of any use or interest to anyone. >> >> I am thinking of either boxing this up and sending it to GCCC so they can >> let attendees at next year's FEST sort through this stuff, or give it to >> one >> person to and it (online or elsewhere). >> >> Does anyone from GCCC have any thoughts about this? Is there anyone >> willing >> to archive this stuff? >> >> We are talking at least one 17 X 8.5 X 10 box of paper here. It's going >> to >> weigh a lot, and I am having to save pennies right now. >> >> Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> http://geekswhocare.blogspot.com/ >> http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >> > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Apr 19 19:08:43 2009 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:08:43 +0200 Subject: [Coco] How would a CoCo laptop look like? Message-ID: There's a C=64 Mod here: http://benheck.com/04-05-2009/commodore-64-original-hardware-laptop How could a comparable CoCo3 Mod look like? From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 19 20:42:31 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:42:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Floppy drives Message-ID: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of running TWO dual FD-500 drives on the same system (using an MPI?) ______________________________________ *Square One Christian BBS Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com A Taste of Coco http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun Apr 19 20:52:46 2009 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Floppy drives References: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> Message-ID: <45CBE5BF761B4D239AE1275185200AA0@speedy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" > Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of running TWO > dual FD-500 drives on the same system (using an MPI?) With two controllers? That is simply not going to work. Now if you make a special four drive cable you can run four drives in two cases off from one controller. Bruce W. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 19 20:53:22 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RLL hard drive In-Reply-To: <49EB9D06.9050008@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <000001c9c12a$2726a100$7573e300$@rr.com> <49EB9D06.9050008@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <002b01c9c152$67c76690$375633b0$@rr.com> Well this controller is in EXCELLENT shape, and has a couple of jumpers on it, but I don't have a manual for it, and Seagate has LONG SINCE quit supporting it. Oh, well. Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Phill Harvey-Smith > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:52 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] RLL hard drive > > I have tried it with an MFM controler, which is pretty similar, and the > answer is it depends on a lot of things some MFM/FLL cards can be > jumpered to co-exist with IDE controlers others not. > > Also there is the rather more serious problems with compatibility > between drives formatted on different controlers, though I have found > that if they use the same chipset, then you have a much better chance > of making it work, even between different machines, e.g. I have an old > Altos 3068 unix machine that has a WD MFM chipset, and I can read it's > drives on a WD baded PC MFM controler. From cwgordon at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 19 20:56:11 2009 From: cwgordon at carolina.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:56:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Floppy drives In-Reply-To: <45CBE5BF761B4D239AE1275185200AA0@speedy> References: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> <45CBE5BF761B4D239AE1275185200AA0@speedy> Message-ID: <002c01c9c152$cc5f0c70$651d2550$@rr.com> Hmmm, well, I guess I'll just have to set up another Coco system :) > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bruce W. Calkins > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:53 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Floppy drives > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill" > > With two controllers? That is simply not going to work. > Now if you make a special four drive cable you can run four drives in > two cases off from one controller. > From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Sun Apr 19 21:12:03 2009 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve Bjork) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:12:03 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Floppy drives In-Reply-To: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> References: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49EBCBE3.4010005@bjork-huffman.net> Dud, it's call a 4 drive cable! Bill wrote: > Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of running TWO dual FD-500 > drives on the same system (using an MPI?) > From lamune at doki-doki.net Sun Apr 19 21:27:13 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:27:13 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Floppy drives In-Reply-To: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> References: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DE2@fenestra.lamunet.local> Not sure why that wouldn't work. You'd have to manually set the MPI in basic to pick which controller is active. I don't really see the point in doing so when you could just replace the single sided drives with double sided ones and get the same amount of storage with a lot less hassle :) > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:43 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] Floppy drives > > Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of running TWO dual FD-500 > drives on the same system (using an MPI?) > > ______________________________________ > *Square One Christian BBS > Web access: http://www.sq1bbs.com/index.php > Telnet access: telnet://sq1bbs.com > > A Taste of Coco > http://www.sq1bbs.com/coco/index.php > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: > 04/18/09 09:55:00 From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 19 21:42:28 2009 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:42:28 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Floppy drives In-Reply-To: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> References: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7hknu45rj00ej849q5d5s0qpunhdd4u82m@4ax.com> On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:42:31 -0400, "Bill" had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of running TWO dual FD-500 >drives on the same system (using an MPI?) You'd have to remove the rom in one, change it's base address and then set up a driver to work with it in OS9. If you only want to use them as single sided drives, use a four drive floppy cable on one controller. -- Stephen 'I hate quotations.' -- Ralph Waldo Emerson This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/ From lamune at doki-doki.net Sun Apr 19 21:48:33 2009 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:48:33 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Floppy drives In-Reply-To: <7hknu45rj00ej849q5d5s0qpunhdd4u82m@4ax.com> References: <002601c9c150$e3d87cd0$ab897670$@rr.com> <7hknu45rj00ej849q5d5s0qpunhdd4u82m@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD058DE3@fenestra.lamunet.local> > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Castello > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:42 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Floppy drives > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:42:31 -0400, "Bill" > had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: > > >Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of running TWO dual FD- > 500 > >drives on the same system (using an MPI?) > > You'd have to remove the rom in one, change it's base address and then > set up a driver to work with it in OS9. > > If you only want to use them as single sided drives, use a four drive > floppy cable on one controller. > Actually, you don't need to do any mods to make that work with an MPI. The MPI selects which cart gets the I/O select and ROM select. You would need a different OS9 device descriptor that understands the MPI slot changes necessary though. This may have already been done. From jdaggett at gate.net Sun Apr 19 22:06:46 2009 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:06:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] How would a CoCo laptop look like? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49EBA076.10885.1A377D9@jdaggett.gate.net> It could very well be. james On 20 Apr 2009 at 1:08, Torsten Dittel wrote: > There's a C=64 Mod here: > > http://benheck.com/04-05-2009/commodore-64-original-hardware-laptop > > How could a comparable CoCo3 Mod look like? > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 01:31:14 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:31:14 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question Message-ID: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> Q: Assuming the existence of a suitable client programme, can the Drivewire server be used to mount non-coco disk images? For example Amiga .adf files or BBC Micro .ssd files? Is the server locked to 256 byte sectors? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ From mechacoco at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 02:15:07 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:15:07 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/09, Bob Devries wrote: > Q: Assuming the existence of a suitable client programme, can the Drivewire > server be used to mount non-coco disk images? For example Amiga .adf files > or BBC Micro .ssd files? > Is the server locked to 256 byte sectors? > The specification for the DriveWire 3 protocol can be downloaded from the Cloud 9 web site. It does appear to be restricted to 256 byte sectors. Sectors are addressed using 24 bit LSN's rather than track and sector locations. The client could be written to use more than one LSN to address larger sectors. Darren From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 02:23:20 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:23:20 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011001c9c180$92111ee0$0701a8c0@master> ummm, wouldn't larger sectors mean a smaller LSN, given the same physical disk size? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren A" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire question > On 4/19/09, Bob Devries wrote: >> Q: Assuming the existence of a suitable client programme, can the >> Drivewire >> server be used to mount non-coco disk images? For example Amiga .adf >> files >> or BBC Micro .ssd files? >> Is the server locked to 256 byte sectors? >> > > The specification for the DriveWire 3 protocol can be downloaded from > the Cloud 9 web site. It does appear to be restricted to 256 byte > sectors. Sectors are addressed using 24 bit LSN's rather than track > and sector locations. The client could be written to use more than one > LSN to address larger sectors. > > Darren > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mechacoco at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 02:34:31 2009 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:34:31 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <011001c9c180$92111ee0$0701a8c0@master> References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> <011001c9c180$92111ee0$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <5d802cd0904192334g3dfa056aqb4cd3c1fee81186d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/09, Bob Devries wrote: > ummm, > wouldn't larger sectors mean a smaller LSN, given the same physical disk > size? > --- Not if an LSN always refers to a 256 byte block of data. 512 byte sectors would require two LSNs (and two transactions) using the current DriveWire protocol. Darren From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 02:48:02 2009 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:48:02 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master><5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com><011001c9c180$92111ee0$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192334g3dfa056aqb4cd3c1fee81186d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <012001c9c184$0065b880$0701a8c0@master> yeah, you're right. I was thinking along the lines of a modified server. My thoughts would be to have a front panel switch (buttons) to select sector sizes of 128, 256, 512 or 1024 bytes per sector. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren A" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Drivewire question > On 4/20/09, Bob Devries wrote: >> ummm, >> wouldn't larger sectors mean a smaller LSN, given the same physical disk >> size? >> > --- > Not if an LSN always refers to a 256 byte block of data. 512 byte > sectors would require two LSNs (and two transactions) using the > current DriveWire protocol. > > Darren > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 20 03:02:41 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:02:41 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EC1E11.5010507@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Darren A wrote: > On 4/19/09, Bob Devries wrote: >> Q: Assuming the existence of a suitable client programme, can the Drivewire >> server be used to mount non-coco disk images? For example Amiga .adf files >> or BBC Micro .ssd files? >> Is the server locked to 256 byte sectors? > > The specification for the DriveWire 3 protocol can be downloaded from > the Cloud 9 web site. It does appear to be restricted to 256 byte > sectors. Sectors are addressed using 24 bit LSN's rather than track > and sector locations. The client could be written to use more than one > LSN to address larger sectors. Though the protocol could be adapted to support different sector sizes, or even say CHS type addressing if that is more apropreate as would be needed for disks that have different numbers of sectors per track. I guess as long as any extensions to the standard are discussed and fed back to Boisy for incorporation into the standard. Dunno about Amiga .adf files but BBC disks are also 256 bytes / sector so would be fairly easy to adapt to that system. Also with the way that the BBC implements filesystems, it should be possible to make a version of DFS or ADFS that talked to a drivewire server. I have a feeling that there are many retro systems that could benifit from something like drivewire. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 20 03:05:32 2009 From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:05:32 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <012001c9c184$0065b880$0701a8c0@master> References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master><5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com><011001c9c180$92111ee0$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192334g3dfa056aqb4cd3c1fee81186d@mail.gmail.com> <012001c9c184$0065b880$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <49EC1EBC.40507@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Bob Devries wrote: > yeah, you're right. I was thinking along the lines of a modified server. > > My thoughts would be to have a front panel switch (buttons) to select > sector sizes of 128, 256, 512 or 1024 bytes per sector. Well if the protocol was modified, then the client program on the CoCo, BBC, Amiga or whatever could tell the server what sector size / sector translation to use, have it default to CoCo/256/LSN so that the current CoCo code would not be broken. That way a single server could serve multiple types of machine. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush. From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Mon Apr 20 04:37:46 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:37:46 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <49EC1E11.5010507@aurigae.demon.co.uk> References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> <49EC1E11.5010507@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090420083746.GA4089@virgo.sdc.org> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 08:02:41AM +0100, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: > I have a feeling that there are many retro systems that could benifit > from something like drivewire. Many retro systems have drivewire-like things. Four off the top of my head: FLEX, Coleco ADAM, C64, and HP 9845. Willard -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From benbleau at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 08:27:52 2009 From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:27:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Homebrew ROM Cartridge? In-Reply-To: References: <462816.27291.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49EB80B2.1010803@aurigae.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <49EC6A48.9090607@gmail.com> Torsten Dittel wrote: > > LOL, just kidding (I knew someone would complain). Of course I would > prefer 3 Nixie tubes (Steve Wozniak has some of them in his wrist > watch: > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Nixie_Wozniak.jpg ) > > Some pix: http://www.tube-tester.com/sites/nixie/trade01-nixie-tubes.htm > > ;-)))) > Now you're talking ! But I would use numitrons instead. The Russian ones ( IV6,IV-9) are even driveable with 5V :D -Benoit From linville at tuxdriver.com Mon Apr 20 09:00:07 2009 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:00:07 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <20090420083746.GA4089@virgo.sdc.org> References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> <49EC1E11.5010507@aurigae.demon.co.uk> <20090420083746.GA4089@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <20090420130007.GA3369@tuxdriver.com> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 02:37:46AM -0600, Willard Goosey wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 08:02:41AM +0100, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: > > I have a feeling that there are many retro systems that could benifit > > from something like drivewire. > > Many retro systems have drivewire-like things. > > Four off the top of my head: FLEX, Coleco ADAM, C64, and HP 9845. The Atari 8-bit as well. Though in the case of the Atari and the C64 I think there is some hardware involved so that the server/hardware combination pretends to be one of their "intelligent" floppy disks. John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. From boisy at tee-boy.com Mon Apr 20 09:25:54 2009 From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:25:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <20090420130007.GA3369@tuxdriver.com> References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> <49EC1E11.5010507@aurigae.demon.co.uk> <20090420083746.GA4089@virgo.sdc.org> <20090420130007.GA3369@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <5B76A225-D35D-45B5-B7CA-521B6F156F52@tee-boy.com> The DriveWire spec is currently geared towards the CoCo, but it obviously shares some common features that could benefit other systems. I'm not opposed to having the standard extend outside of the scope of the CoCo, but I really don't use any other retro system at the moment. On Apr 20, 2009, at 8:00 AM, John W. Linville wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 02:37:46AM -0600, Willard Goosey wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 08:02:41AM +0100, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: >>> I have a feeling that there are many retro systems that could >>> benifit >>> from something like drivewire. >> >> Many retro systems have drivewire-like things. >> >> Four off the top of my head: FLEX, Coleco ADAM, C64, and HP 9845. > > The Atari 8-bit as well. Though in the case of the Atari and the C64 > I think there is some hardware involved so that the server/hardware > combination pretends to be one of their "intelligent" floppy disks. > > John > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville at tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From goosey at virgo.sdc.org Mon Apr 20 15:26:38 2009 From: goosey at virgo.sdc.org (Willard Goosey) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:26:38 -0600 Subject: [Coco] PCs pretending to be drive boxes wasRe: Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <20090420130007.GA3369@tuxdriver.com> References: <010001c9c179$57cc9a40$0701a8c0@master> <5d802cd0904192315x62430bc5kc8a59ac65d3eb641@mail.gmail.com> <49EC1E11.5010507@aurigae.demon.co.uk> <20090420083746.GA4089@virgo.sdc.org> <20090420130007.GA3369@tuxdriver.com> Message-ID: <20090420192638.GA10899@virgo.sdc.org> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 09:00:07AM -0400, John W. Linville wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 02:37:46AM -0600, Willard Goosey wrote: > > Many retro systems have drivewire-like things. > > > > Four off the top of my head: FLEX, Coleco ADAM, C64, and HP 9845. > > The Atari 8-bit as well. Though in the case of the Atari and the C64 > I think there is some hardware involved so that the server/hardware > combination pretends to be one of their "intelligent" floppy disks. For the C64, it depends on the PC, since it gets bit-banged out the parallel port. If you have a fancy modern port and a multitasking OS, the cable does need a chip or two. For a funky old AT-class 486, it's just straight wiring. For the HP machines, the "server" has to have an IEEE-488 card. Which isn't exactly standard issue. ;-) I know nothing about Atari 8-bits. -- Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org Socorro, New Mexico, USA I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night. -- R.E. Howard From dml_68 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 23:19:08 2009 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] PCs pretending to be drive boxes wasRe: Drivewire question In-Reply-To: <20090420192638.GA10899@virgo.sdc.org> Message-ID: <117953.56668.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have both C64 and Atari 8