wdg3rd at comcast.net
wdg3rd at comcast.net
Mon Sep 1 20:03:54 EDT 2008
I'm in New Jersey. I can state as unbiased fact that the Second Amendment to the US Constitution is not in effect here. Well, actually I'm biased and in violation of several state laws, but this state (there used to be a poster on the wall at town hall bragging that New Jersey was the first state to sign on to the Bill of Rights) is the worst when it comes to the individual right to keep and bear arms. (In fact, the only state-level entity that's worse was DC until the recent Heller decision), The state's record ain't that great on the 1st amendment either, ask any Rutgers student from the Wilson administration to now.
Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net
"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_
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From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:40 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> > "Voire dire" . That's frogspeek for "Jury tampering". Can't find a damned
> thing in the US (or any supposedly subordinate state) Constitution to support
> that crime. (The US Constitution doesn't make the States subordinate --
> Abrafuckingham Lincoln did that in violation of the oath he took at his
> Not sure I can agree with you there. Voir dire goes back a long way,
> and is meant to ensure an unbiased jury. Note that you aren't allowed
> an unlimited number of juror challenges without cause, and both parties
> subject jurors to questioning.
> Also, be careful what you wish for when you talk about the 13th and 14th
> amendments; yes, they extend the powers of the federal government, but
> without them the Bill of Rights would not apply to your state laws.
> Also keep in mind that the States must ratify amendments, so at least
> some quorum of states supported these ideas.
> Not the Southern states, of course, because they weren't _really_
> represented. But they lost the war. That's how it works.
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