From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 12:30:43 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:30:43 +0000
Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco
Message-ID: <090120081630.25984.48BC18B300049C430000658022092246270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>


From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> On Saturday 30 August 2008, Jim Hickle wrote:
> >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer.
> >
> >According to Okidata:
> >If you are using the ML 172 the IBM Graphics printer driver should be used
> > with this printer. The ML 172 was manufactured in only the IBM compatable
> > version.
> >
> >Go here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-ML172.nsf?opendatabase
> >Click on "Knowledge Base" for the user manual.
> >(Clicking on "Manuals" just gives Material Safety Data Sheets for ribbons.


> >In case you get poked in the eye with a ribbon, I guess.)
> >
> First, we kill all the lawyers...  So says William Shakespear. :)

Nah, one his characters (in his bio on Henry VI) said it in a comic relief segment.  But it's always a good idea, since almost every politician since Henry VI has been a lawyer (90%)and/or a soldier (30%).  Killing either sort should be classed as self defense by any taxpayer.  (But the judges [law students who get to grade their own papers] are also paid with taxes, so you know how that decision will go).
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 12:51:58 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:51:58 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090120081651.20273.48BC1DAE000D17EC00004F3122092246270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>




From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> On Saturday 30 August 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> >I have.  The publishers won't touch it with a five and a half foot
> > Lithuanian (the height and most ancestry of La Esposa).  Possibly because
> > everything I have to say has been done better by others.  L. Neil Smith
> > (www.ncc-1776.com), Vin Suprynowicz
> > (http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/Vin_Suprynowicz.html), and just about
> > everybody who does a regular gig on www.lewrockwell.com.
> >
> That's not too bad a company you keep there Ward, more or less along the lines 
> of the founding fathers when you get down to the foundations of what they 
> say.  But you have to keep the BS filters well oiled.

I try to keep good company.  Neil (along with his wife and daughter) and Vin have both eaten my chili.  In fact I'm possibly the best known chili cook in the libertarian spectrum.  Hundredweights of it disappear at every PorcFest.  Gotta open my restaurant up in New Hampshire.  The planned name is "Fire!" partly because some folk think chili is spicy but also because anybody carrying effective self-defense (I don't mean a diploma from Tiger Schulman's karate school) gets a 10% discount.
-- 
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 13:10:19 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:10:19 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Extremely OT,
	since I'm getting political Re:  OT: Sooner or latter,
	MS is going to come after us,
	at least if we still use their BASIC....
Message-ID: <090120081710.22143.48BC21FA000F16660000567F22069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Read the article my friend L Neil Smith wrote about a decade back (obviously we're close friends, I got him to change brands of Irish whiskey and I'm a beer drinker and I only otherwise drink straight rye).

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle1998/libe37-19980612-08.html

Fire GOOD.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Mike Pepe" <lamune at doki-doki.net>
> Ah Ward, we so love you here at Microsoft :)
> 
> I've been meaning to ask the "flint-chippers" in Legal & Corporate
> Affairs what their take on the 8-bit BASIC code is. BillG did mention
> (promise?) a book that would explain how the BASIC ROM worked, but we
> never got that officially, although the Unraveled series is probably
> just as good or better.
> 
> I really don't think anyone there will care much. I don't see any LCA
> folks in the retro-computing groups in the company I'm in. Yes we have
> those. Me next start group about wheels, Me hear they have potential.
> Maybe fire next. Fire scary.
> 
> :)


From jimcox at miba51.com  Mon Sep  1 13:18:22 2008
From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:18:22 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Trying to contact George Ramsower
Message-ID: <6c92f46c0809011018u6d30896fq472e29f11f8d3b4@mail.gmail.com>

I've been sending email to George Ramsower but I have not received a
reply.  George, if you get this please contact me privately.  Thanks!

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 03:19:10 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>	<200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby>	<200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com>	<1b52e6c80808311807he1a6bd1m1e72adc5e54a82a4@mail.gmail.com><1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev>
	<48BB4CB7.300@hypersurf.com>
Message-ID: <1F403D7E24EB49709E90F6FEE7E6C94C@NewBaby>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Diggs" <kevdig at hypersurf.com>

> Since Gene opened this can of worms, anyone have any comments on this
> T. Boone Pickens and his energy plan? How much natural gas do we have?

It's half of an idea. The US has about 1.7 trillion barrels of oil in shale 
up in northern Utah (close to Salt Lake City) and the two states above it. 
If they could charge $100 / bbl to buy it that would pay for the US economy 
for 200+ years. It's all a matter of figuring out how to extract it - 
personally I would use the waste heat from nuclear power plants.

If the US built TGV rail up the two coasts and from New Orleans to Chicago 
and Corpus Christi up somewhere north that would save a lot of fuel - they 
run on electricity from any source. Even from coal it is more efficient and 
less polluting than a Prius. You ride downtown to downtown and you don't 
need to get a prostate exam from the TSA screener. You could use the power 
from shale oil extracting nuclear power.

But the high price of oil has also resulted in starting steel production in 
the US again - the rust belt is getting sprayed with WD-40. Everything has 
an effect, direct or not.

Neil



From johnguin at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  1 13:57:30 2008
From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:57:30 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
Message-ID: <BAY138-DS392FC9D9F4BBA01E23096D95C0@phx.gbl>

Hello all,

 

Been on this list awhile and I've gotten bit by the behavior that pressing
"reply" on email replies to the list instead of the sender.

 

Does anyone remember why this behavior exists?

 

And should (could) we talk to Dennis to change the behavior:

1.       "Reply" replies to the sender

2.       "Reply All" sends mail to the coco list

 

Thanks,

John



From fwp at deepthought.com  Mon Sep  1 14:48:21 2008
From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:48:21 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-DS392FC9D9F4BBA01E23096D95C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY138-DS392FC9D9F4BBA01E23096D95C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20080901184820.GB7962@warlock.deepthought.com>

What you reply to when you press "reply" is determined by your mail client
not the mailing list. You need to be careful when replying and make sure
you're replyig to who you think you're replying to.

Frank


On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:57:30AM -0700, John wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
>  
> 
> Been on this list awhile and I've gotten bit by the behavior that pressing
> "reply" on email replies to the list instead of the sender.
> 
>  
> 
> Does anyone remember why this behavior exists?
> 
>  
> 
> And should (could) we talk to Dennis to change the behavior:
> 
> 1.       "Reply" replies to the sender
> 
> 2.       "Reply All" sends mail to the coco list
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 14:11:31 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:11:31 +0000
Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco
Message-ID: <090120081811.8306.48BC30530009AD900000207222007358340B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

From: RJRTTY at aol.com
>  
> In a message dated 8/30/2008 2:18:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> wdg3rd at comcast.net writes:
> 
> I been  drinking too much 3 24oz cans of "Camo Black Ice 10,5% is close to a 
> case of  Colorado Kool-Aid so I better slow down.

> I like it when you drink.    It's truly  entertaining.....
>  
> I'll bet one of those super computers the government secretly
> keeps in a basement somewhere to monitor email for terrorist  hooligans
> is having a fit over your prose right now.  :)
>  
> OK G-men, come and get him.  He should be easy to handle for
> a few hours now. 
>  
> (my money is on the hooligan) 

Ah.  So You've seen a Fed with a can of beer (or maybe just a multitool) slammed through his temple. (I've done both -- don't ask).
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net
"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 14:23:27 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:23:27 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090120081823.2430.48BC331F0003EE140000097E22092246270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>


Doctors can bury their mistakes and lawyers can pay to have theirs buried.  Architects are the ones with problems, they can only suggest their clients plant vines.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gene Heskett" <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> 
> > First, we kill all the lawyers..
> 
> No, just remove all licensing for them. A doctor has to decide in seconds 
> what to do. What is the hurry with writing words on paper?
> 
> They spend $100,000 or more for a 3 year course most agree teaches them 
> nothing but makes the colleges rich. Then they have to spend more money to 
> pass the bar exams.
> 
> They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A 
> few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not 
> all?
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From tlindner at macmess.org  Mon Sep  1 14:32:16 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:32:16 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
In-Reply-To: <20080901184820.GB7962@warlock.deepthought.com>
Message-ID: <1iml6m8.1t6ixr4fb2azeM%tlindner@macmess.org>

Frank Pittel <fwp at deepthought.com> wrote:

> What you reply to when you press "reply" is determined by your mail client
> not the mailing list. You need to be careful when replying and make sure
> you're replyig to who you think you're replying to.

Not exactly true, Dennis' mailing list software that can either fill the
"From:" header with the orginal poster, or the list address.

I like the way it is.

Most email clients just use the "From:" header when "Replying". But will
use "From:" and "CC:" when "Replying all".

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com  Mon Sep  1 14:38:19 2008
From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-DS392FC9D9F4BBA01E23096D95C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY138-DS392FC9D9F4BBA01E23096D95C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <10cob41bbdu9ve37566l783uqi54udlnu6@4ax.com>

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:57:30 -0700, "John" <johnguin at hotmail.com> had a
flock of green cheek conures squawk out:

>Hello all,
>
>Been on this list awhile and I've gotten bit by the behavior that pressing
>"reply" on email replies to the list instead of the sender.
>
>Does anyone remember why this behavior exists?
>
>And should (could) we talk to Dennis to change the behavior:
>
>1.       "Reply" replies to the sender
>
>2.       "Reply All" sends mail to the coco list
>

Practically all email lists have the reply to going to the list. I'm
currently subscribed to about 25 lists. Only one has reply to sender:
a freecycle list, it's used to force off list responses.

One list that I subscribe that only replied back to the sender had
random replies, posts with a problem & mostly no responses to it.
Which resulted in the archive being somewhat useless.  It has been
changed to reply to the list, since then the email archive has become
useful and everyone gets to know the outcome.

One question I have on the 'reply to sender/reply all to list' is:
what's the big secret in the reply? :-)

I've also noticed that this one of those touchy subjects, where & when
ever it's brought up.

Stephen


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 14:40:45 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:40:45 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090120081840.12874.48BC372D000242CF0000324A22069984990B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

"Voire dire" .  That's frogspeek for "Jury tampering".  Can't find a damned thing in the US (or any supposedly subordinate state) Constitution to support that crime.  (The US Constitution doesn't make the States subordinate -- Abrafuckingham Lincoln did that in violation of the oath he took at his inauguration)
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>
> Lawyers are a self-perpetuating evil - we need lawyers to defend
> ourselves against lawyers.  They like to use obfuscating language to
> conceal their real intent.  Also they like to use Latin phrases to
> describe legal actions.  How many of us are familiar enough with Latin
> to understand set cases?  Here in Canada there was supposed to be
> legislation passed to make legalese into proper English (and French)
> so that the average person could understand what was going on.  It
> doesn't seem to be happening (quel surprise).  Luckily for me I was
> raised Catholic when everything was still in Latin and so I understand
> most.  A bit of French also helps.  I don't know if you guys in the
> U.S. have "voir dire" but you better bring your lawyer ( and then
> dispose of him/her).
> 
> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Heskett" <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> >
> >> First, we kill all the lawyers..
> >
> > No, just remove all licensing for them. A doctor has to decide in seconds
> > what to do. What is the hurry with writing words on paper?
> >
> > They spend $100,000 or more for a 3 year course most agree teaches them
> > nothing but makes the colleges rich. Then they have to spend more money to
> > pass the bar exams.
> >
> > They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A
> > few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not
> > all?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Mon Sep  1 14:43:34 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:43:34 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
In-Reply-To: <1iml6m8.1t6ixr4fb2azeM%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <1iml6m8.1t6ixr4fb2azeM%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <1220294614.6006.103.camel@dev>

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 11:32 -0700, tim lindner wrote:
> Frank Pittel <fwp at deepthought.com> wrote:
> 
> > What you reply to when you press "reply" is determined by your mail client
> > not the mailing list. You need to be careful when replying and make sure
> > you're replyig to who you think you're replying to.
> 
> Not exactly true, Dennis' mailing list software that can either fill the
> "From:" header with the orginal poster, or the list address.
> 
> I like the way it is.
> 
> Most email clients just use the "From:" header when "Replying". But will
> use "From:" and "CC:" when "Replying all".
> 

Actually, a fair number honor the Reply-To part of the RFC822 header,
which is the problem here.

C.




From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Mon Sep  1 14:53:42 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:53:42 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <090120081840.12874.48BC372D000242CF0000324A22069984990B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <090120081840.12874.48BC372D000242CF0000324A22069984990B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1220295222.6006.111.camel@dev>

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:40 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> "Voire dire" .  That's frogspeek for "Jury tampering".  Can't find a damned thing in the US (or any supposedly subordinate state) Constitution to support that crime.  (The US Constitution doesn't make the States subordinate -- Abrafuckingham Lincoln did that in violation of the oath he took at his inauguration)

Not sure I can agree with you there.  Voir dire goes back a long way,
and is meant to ensure an unbiased jury.  Note that you aren't allowed
an unlimited number of juror challenges without cause, and both parties
subject jurors to questioning.

Also, be careful what you wish for when you talk about the 13th and 14th
amendments; yes, they extend the powers of the federal government, but
without them the Bill of Rights would not apply to your state laws.
Also keep in mind that the States must ratify amendments, so at least
some quorum of states supported these ideas.  

Not the Southern states, of course, because they weren't _really_
represented.  But they lost the war.  That's how it works.

C.




From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 15:08:15 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:08:15 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090120081908.16808.48BC3D9F0001C05E000041A822007503300B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Chuck, Bloomy added a two and a half buck tax to each pack of smokes sold in the five boroughs,  That's worse than the tax over here in Jersey.  (Not that I pay taxes on smokes anyway -- boxes of filter tubes, bags of tobacco and a few little machines to stuff the one with the other)  (And that's probably illegal in this state, like having a couple cans of smokeless powder, but I am not going to research every gorram law I'm probably breaking).

I'm less than eight miles from where the World Trade Center used to be.  The smoke plume was very visible from here. (And no, I don't believe the official stories, but I don't believe any of the other stories either) But since I'm from Los Angeles, the collapse (or for that matter the construction) of a skyscraper isn't something I can take seriously.  Hell, I disapprove of and won't go near the towers they built in my hometown.  (Don't like to be showered by hundreds of feet of broken glass when the Earth moves)

Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 20:04 -0400, mike delyea wrote:
> > A bit of French also helps.  I don't know if you guys in the
> > U.S. have "voir dire" but you better bring your lawyer ( and then
> > dispose of him/her).
> 
> Of course we do!  We have juries like everyone else, the Constitution
> guarantees it.. but come to think of it, the Constitution also
> guarantees against unreasonable searches, and our right to bear arms,
> and due process, habeas corpus .... hmm, but the PATRIOT Act and other
> nonsense these days don't pay any attention to that.
> 
> Funny how the folks in middle America are all pissed off and ready to
> hand over their rights in an attempt to ward off terrorism, all because
> of this World Trade Center thing.  Meanwhile those of us in New York
> City (we were the ones violated, folks, and we still have a gaping hole
> in the ground and people with debilitating respiratory ailments as a
> result of that whole plane thing) are appalled at what the government is
> getting away with under the guise of protecting freedom.  It's very
> Orwellian - give up our freedoms to protect freedom.  Patrick Henry is
> rolling over in his grave.  Disgusting.
> 
> Oh my, I haven't even had anything to drink.  Don't mind me.
> 
> And by the way, French isn't ALL that useful.  If you're using your
> French to discern the meaning of "voir dire," you've probably got it
> wrong ... At the least "voir" part.. ;)
> 
> A bientot,
> C.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 15:12:30 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:12:30 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090120081912.8336.48BC3E9E00078A0F0000209022135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> On Sunday 31 August 2008, Neil Morrison wrote:

> >They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A
> >few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not
> >all?
> >
> Good question...  One I don't have a ready answer for.

Ask any lawyer.  he'll explain in lots of long and expensive words. 
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

> -- 
> Cheers, Gene
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."


From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com  Mon Sep  1 15:19:28 2008
From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:19:28 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
In-Reply-To: <20080901184820.GB7962@warlock.deepthought.com>
References: <BAY138-DS392FC9D9F4BBA01E23096D95C0@phx.gbl>
	<20080901184820.GB7962@warlock.deepthought.com>
Message-ID: <200809011919.m81JJgLX003770@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>

At 02:48 PM 9/1/2008, you wrote:
>What you reply to when you press "reply" is determined by your mail client
>not the mailing list. You need to be careful when replying and make sure
>you're replyig to who you think you're replying to.

Largely true, but nevertheless this list is set to strip the reply-to 
and force a reply to the list.

It keeps personal replies (and complaints) down, keeps the subjects 
on-list, doesn't accidentally break threads, and behaves like most 
mailman lists (meaning it's familiar behavior). The only list I 
subscribe to that doesn't do that is Orchestra List, and it's 
extremely annoying ... I expect posts to show up and they don't, so I 
have to send again, and apologize to the person who got an individual reply.

So reply to the list stays.

Dennis



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From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Mon Sep  1 15:22:51 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:22:51 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <090120081908.16808.48BC3D9F0001C05E000041A822007503300B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <090120081908.16808.48BC3D9F0001C05E000041A822007503300B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1220296971.6006.117.camel@dev>

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 19:08 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> Chuck, Bloomy added a two and a half buck tax to each pack of smokes sold in the five boroughs,  That's worse than the tax over here in Jersey.  (Not that I pay taxes on smokes anyway -- boxes of filter tubes, bags of tobacco and a few little machines to stuff the one with the other)  (And that's probably illegal in this state, like having a couple cans of smokeless powder, but I am not going to research every gorram law I'm probably breaking).
> 
> I'm less than eight miles from where the World Trade Center used to be.  The smoke plume was very visible from here. (And no, I don't believe the official stories, but I don't believe any of the other stories either) But since I'm from Los Angeles, the collapse (or for that matter the construction) of a skyscraper isn't something I can take seriously.  Hell, I disapprove of and won't go near the towers they built in my hometown.  (Don't like to be showered by hundreds of feet of broken glass when the Earth moves)
> 
> Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

I'm trying to decide what you're saying here.  Are you disagreeing with
something I said?  I don't think so.  And I don't think you're counted
amongst those freaks in Oklahoma or wherever who think there should be
an amendment to ban gay marriage, and that criticizing the government is
"anti-American."  So what exactly are you trying to say? :)

Where in Jersey are you, anyway?

And yes, I pay nearly $10 a pack these days.  Not to mention nearly
$400,000 for a tiny studio in midtown... everything's 'spensive, Lucy.

C.




From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 15:31:31 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:31:31 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090120081931.2129.48BC43130006A2620000085122135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Gene, I'm supposed to be the straight man asking the stupidly obvious questions in our team.  Me Martin (and yes, I'm still drinking) you Lewis.  We can't let this relationship slide into a Sinatra/Brando (yeah, just watched "Guys and Dolls " yesterday after rereading a few volumes of Runyon stories) kind of thing.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>

> I hear they are going to dig up all the founders and put coils around the 
> caskets, so they can generate electricity when they start spinning.  It 
> should solve our energy shortage.
> 
> >Oh my, I haven't even had anything to drink.  Don't mind me.
> >
> And why not?


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 16:17:09 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:17:09 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090120082017.4708.48BC4DC50002531C0000126422007601800B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

The continental snail-eaters all think anybody from the next Department (county, the way those in most of the US look at things, a parish down in Boisy's neighborhood) are hicks.  (Yeah, I've got some frog ancestry --or maybe German, depending on how things turn out in the next war, the Alsace-Lorraine changes hands every time),

But when I drop a brick on my foot, I cuss in the Kaybecker I learned from my grandmother who was a nurse in New Hampshire for half a century.  Nurses learn all the bad words and so do their grandkids.  I'll also use all the spanish I learned before that as a child in Los Angeles, the german I learned from my roommate at Georgia Tech and a lot of things I learned from my late father-in-law who was good at many languages even before he joined the OSS after the Navy dropped him due to the injuries he took crossing the beach at Iwo.  (Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, Italian -- a few other languages I'll recall if I drop a brick on my foot, but I won't do that voluntarily)

Day to day, I just cuss in American.  A superset of English, Mexican, Gaelic and everybody else who's improved the gene pool by showing up.  (And it needed some improvement -- my ancestors who arrived in Massachusetts in the 1620s had some serious intellectual deficiencies -- they were going to Virginia and navigating latitude had been a solved problem for a couple of thousand years -- Puritan ancestry is nothing to brag about if you've had anything else to improve the breed; them as brag about that ancestry tend to be the ones still too inbred to have anything else to brag about,)
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>
> Its fairly easy to tell Latin constructed words from French
> constructed words (or Spanish, or Italian or Portugese).  Also,
> there's a big difference between Quebecois French and Parisien French.
>  The continental Froggies think our Froggies are hicks.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:47 PM, mike delyea <mdelyea at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The name Norman-French is sometimes used to describe not only the
> > modern Norman language, but also the administrative languages of
> > Anglo-Norman and Law French used in England.
> >
> > ETYMOLOGY:
> > Voir Dire - Anglo-Norman, to speak the truth
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
> >> On Sunday 31 August 2008, Neil Morrison wrote:
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Gene Heskett" <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> >>>
> >>>> First, we kill all the lawyers..
> >>>
> >>>No, just remove all licensing for them. A doctor has to decide in seconds
> >>>what to do. What is the hurry with writing words on paper?
> >>>
> >>>They spend $100,000 or more for a 3 year course most agree teaches them
> >>>nothing but makes the colleges rich. Then they have to spend more money to
> >>>pass the bar exams.
> >>>
> >> Oh it teaches them alright, to ignore anything that resembles common sense
> >> that is.  That is why I like my solution better, it has a small chance of
> >> being permanent.
> >>
> >>>They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A
> >>>few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not
> >>>all?
> >>>
> >> Good question...  One I don't have a ready answer for.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers, Gene
> >> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> >> A Smith & Wesson beats four aces.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Coco mailing list
> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>
> >
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 17:03:40 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
Message-ID: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 I've been thinking of having some of you gurus look at one or more of my 
B09 programs that I use on my CNC machine to see if you can find ways to 
improve it, criticize it/them or otherwise go... WOW, I dunno, George.

 However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact that 
most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here lately 
but I thought I should ask anyway.
 These listings would (if I can format them correctly) would look good in an 
email, are usually fairly small. About 4-8k.

 Right now, I'm struggling with straight lines that aren't 90 or 180 
degrees. The math is messing with my stepper motor routines and I'm gaining 
and losing steps, throwing the total count off and therefore I end up in the 
wrong places over large drawings with many angles to deal with. It's only a 
few thousands of an inch, but when they have to come together in the end, it 
all adds up.

 I working on engraving lately. This is WAY fun!

 Circles and arcs always come out perfectly. It's the darned straight lines 
at angles(I'm sure it's my math) that messes things up.

 Suggestions?

George 



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Mon Sep  1 17:16:58 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:16:58 -0400
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
In-Reply-To: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <1220303818.6006.120.camel@dev>

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 16:03 -0500, George Ramsower wrote:

>  Right now, I'm struggling with straight lines that aren't 90 or 180 
> degrees. The math is messing with my stepper motor routines and I'm gaining 
> and losing steps, throwing the total count off and therefore I end up in the 
> wrong places over large drawings with many angles to deal with. It's only a 
> few thousands of an inch, but when they have to come together in the end, it 
> all adds up.

Interesting.  A year or so ago I had to write 8051 assembly to drive
stepper motors for the reels of a mechanical slot machine.  Post away,
let's take a peek.

And sorry about the off-topic posts.  I mean, is anyone still on dial-up
these days?  

C.




From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Mon Sep  1 17:16:58 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:16:58 -0400
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
In-Reply-To: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <1220303818.6006.120.camel@dev>

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 16:03 -0500, George Ramsower wrote:

>  Right now, I'm struggling with straight lines that aren't 90 or 180 
> degrees. The math is messing with my stepper motor routines and I'm gaining 
> and losing steps, throwing the total count off and therefore I end up in the 
> wrong places over large drawings with many angles to deal with. It's only a 
> few thousands of an inch, but when they have to come together in the end, it 
> all adds up.

Interesting.  A year or so ago I had to write 8051 assembly to drive
stepper motors for the reels of a mechanical slot machine.  Post away,
let's take a peek.

And sorry about the off-topic posts.  I mean, is anyone still on dial-up
these days?  

C.




From kevdig at hypersurf.com  Mon Sep  1 17:20:19 2008
From: kevdig at hypersurf.com (Kevin Diggs)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <1F403D7E24EB49709E90F6FEE7E6C94C@NewBaby>
References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>	<200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby>	<200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com>	<1b52e6c80808311807he1a6bd1m1e72adc5e54a82a4@mail.gmail.com><1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev>	<48BB4CB7.300@hypersurf.com>
	<1F403D7E24EB49709E90F6FEE7E6C94C@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <48BC5C93.1030203@hypersurf.com>

Neil Morrison wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Diggs" <kevdig at hypersurf.com>
> 
>> Since Gene opened this can of worms, anyone have any comments on this
>> T. Boone Pickens and his energy plan? How much natural gas do we have?
> 
> 
> It's half of an idea. The US has about 1.7 trillion barrels of oil in 
> shale up in northern Utah (close to Salt Lake City) and the two states 
> above it. If they could charge $100 / bbl to buy it that would pay for 
> the US economy for 200+ years. It's all a matter of figuring out how to 
> extract it - personally I would use the waste heat from nuclear power 
> plants.
> 
Never thought of that! Probably could use the waste heat from other
power plants as well!!!

> If the US built TGV rail up the two coasts and from New Orleans to 
> Chicago and Corpus Christi up somewhere north that would save a lot of 
> fuel - they run on electricity from any source. Even from coal it is 
> more efficient and less polluting than a Prius. You ride downtown to 
> downtown and you don't need to get a prostate exam from the TSA 
> screener. You could use the power from shale oil extracting nuclear power.
> 
Well now, they would need the same security.

> But the high price of oil has also resulted in starting steel production 
> in the US again - the rust belt is getting sprayed with WD-40. 
> Everything has an effect, direct or not.
> 
> Neil
> 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 18:02:44 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
References: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<1220303818.6006.120.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <006201c90c7e$7693a550$d4b1b1d8@house>

From: "Chuck Youse"

> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 16:03 -0500, George Ramsower wrote:
>
>>  Right now, I'm struggling with straight lines that aren't 90 or 180
>> degrees. The math is messing with my stepper motor routines and I'm 
>> gaining
>> and losing steps, throwing the total count off and therefore I end up in 
>> the
>> wrong places over large drawings with many angles to deal with. It's only 
>> a
>> few thousands of an inch, but when they have to come together in the end, 
>> it
>> all adds up.
>
> Interesting.  A year or so ago I had to write 8051 assembly to drive
> stepper motors for the reels of a mechanical slot machine.  Post away,
> let's take a peek.
>
> And sorry about the off-topic posts.  I mean, is anyone still on dial-up
> these days?
>
> C.

 I was on dial up until just about four months ago.The Coco list was never a 
problem with me, it's the web that was killing me.
 The Weather channel and doppler radar, in motion, would take MINUTES to 
load. Now it's only  a few seconds.

 Right now, I'm waiting for approval for the listings, which will be sent in 
seperate emails, from the administrator as he finds my email and time to 
reply.

 For now, I'm going to experiment on formatting of these so they are legible 
in an email.

 I don't intend to list the entire routine anyway. Just the affected parts 
for brevity and clarity. It's not for security reasons.
 I think, once it's all done and I'm happy with it, it might make a feature 
story on Mary's newsletter. Photos, schematics, program listings and all 
that.

 Should anyone care.

  If I knew how much work this was going to be, I may not have started this 
project, but now it's just a matter of programming. The mechanics are done.

 More speed would be nice, but I've plenty of time to watch TV and drink a 
beer while my coco is grinding away at something.

 Engraving 1/2 inch high 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 onto softdrink can sheet metal 
takes about 14 minutes. At 1/10 inch height, it takes only about five 
minutes.
 It takes a LONG time to engrave a four inch high number. Next, I have to do 
the alpha characters. Here's the catch on angles ...A K M N Q R V W X Y and 
Z

 Okay... it's not softdrink cans, it's beer cans and I have plenty of them. 
Usually I use paper, and a ball point pen in the mill head for development.

 Meanwhile, I'm working on an idea that may work. I should know something in 
a few hours, depending on how much I build up my stock pile of aluminum 
sheet. More sheets mean less productivity. It takes more brain power to 
collect those aluminum sheets than it does to develop the coco, I think.. 
er, the best I think I can think, as it goes ahead.



George 



From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com  Mon Sep  1 18:11:25 2008
From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:11:25 -0400
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
In-Reply-To: <1220303818.6006.120.camel@dev>
References: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<1220303818.6006.120.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <200809012212.m81MCRLX013310@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>

At 05:16 PM 9/1/2008, you wrote:
>And sorry about the off-topic posts.  I mean, is anyone still on dial-up
>these days?

A good question.

It's not just dialup, though, it's digests and international users 
too. Many people read the digest version, which would be enormous 
with large listings. And based on a quick look at the membership 
list, a lot of members are on small ISPs which might not be providing 
broadband.

There are presently 295 members, and our list is also read on Usenet, too.

I would like to hear (privately, please!) from all the list's dialup 
users. Just say "aye" and if you have an opinion about increasing the 
post size (presently 40K) please let me know.

Thanks,
Dennis




Buy my new book!
<http://www.amazon.com/Country-Stores-Vermont-Dennis-Bathory-kitsz/dp/1596294752/>
"We Are All Mozart"
<http://maltedmedia.com/waam/>



From tlindner at macmess.org  Mon Sep  1 18:35:38 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:35:38 -0700
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
In-Reply-To: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>

George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:

> However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact that
> most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here lately
> but I thought I should ask anyway.

On IRC they have a simular problem: Putting listings in the conversation
flow ruins the conversation. They have solved it by using a listing
service:

http://pastie.org/

I think it would be a nice way to go here.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From tlindner at macmess.org  Mon Sep  1 18:35:38 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:35:38 -0700
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
In-Reply-To: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>

George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:

> However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact that
> most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here lately
> but I thought I should ask anyway.

On IRC they have a simular problem: Putting listings in the conversation
flow ruins the conversation. They have solved it by using a listing
service:

http://pastie.org/

I think it would be a nice way to go here.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au  Mon Sep  1 19:51:42 2008
From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:51:42 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
In-Reply-To: <200809011919.m81JJgLX003770@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
References: <BAY138-DS392FC9D9F4BBA01E23096D95C0@phx.gbl>	<20080901184820.GB7962@warlock.deepthought.com>
	<200809011919.m81JJgLX003770@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
Message-ID: <48BC800E.3040005@iinet.net.au>

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> The only list I 
> subscribe to that doesn't do that is Orchestra List, and it's extremely 
> annoying ... I expect posts to show up and they don't, so I have to send 
> again, and apologize to the person who got an individual reply.

Ditto for the BBC Micro list Dennis. Got bit when I 1st subscribed there 
and, not being a regular poster there, will probably do so for the next 20 
years as well... every other mailing list and usenet newsgroup for that 
matter replies to the list, as it should.

The old adage "You posted it here, you read the response here" applies IMHO. 
Not to say you can't send personal replies of course, but the default 
behaviour makes sense to me.

And yes, it is a touchy subject Stephen, as I found out on the 
above-mentioned BBC Micro list! "Here we go again" was the theme of the more 
polite responses... ;)

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"


From kb8wvn at msn.com  Mon Sep  1 19:10:07 2008
From: kb8wvn at msn.com (herojr2002)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:10:07 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pc to coco
Message-ID: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>

How do you get coco programs from a PC to the coco



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 19:59:50 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
References: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6F8@fenestra.lamunet.local>
Message-ID: <007701c90c8e$d2b92c50$d4b1b1d8@house>

Did this fix it?
I had no idea!
George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Pepe"

Hey George,

You're sending emails to the wrong address. Well, technically, it's a
specific server on the maltedmedia site but still not the one you should
be using.

You're sending to coco at lists5.maltedmedia.com

You should be sending to coco at maltedmedia.com

If they rename or move lists5 you'll be SOL

And most importantly, its screwing up my inbox rules :)


-Mike




From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 20:03:54 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:03:54 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090220080003.12417.48BC82EA0005599B0000308122135285730B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

I'm in New Jersey.  I can state as unbiased fact that the Second Amendment to the US Constitution is not in effect here.  Well, actually I'm biased and in violation of several state laws, but this state (there used to be a poster on the wall at town hall bragging that New Jersey was the first state to sign on to the Bill of Rights) is the worst when it comes to the individual right to keep and bear arms. (In fact, the only state-level entity that's worse was DC until the recent Heller decision),  The state's record ain't that great on the 1st amendment either, ask any Rutgers student from the Wilson administration to now.

--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:40 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> > "Voire dire" .  That's frogspeek for "Jury tampering".  Can't find a damned 
> thing in the US (or any supposedly subordinate state) Constitution to support 
> that crime.  (The US Constitution doesn't make the States subordinate -- 
> Abrafuckingham Lincoln did that in violation of the oath he took at his 
> inauguration)
> 
> Not sure I can agree with you there.  Voir dire goes back a long way,
> and is meant to ensure an unbiased jury.  Note that you aren't allowed
> an unlimited number of juror challenges without cause, and both parties
> subject jurors to questioning.
> 
> Also, be careful what you wish for when you talk about the 13th and 14th
> amendments; yes, they extend the powers of the federal government, but
> without them the Bill of Rights would not apply to your state laws.
> Also keep in mind that the States must ratify amendments, so at least
> some quorum of states supported these ideas.  
> 
> Not the Southern states, of course, because they weren't _really_
> represented.  But they lost the war.  That's how it works.
> 
> C.
> 
> 
> 
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From snhirsch at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 20:06:25 2008
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:06:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pc to coco
In-Reply-To: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>
References: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809012004230.7338@duo>

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, herojr2002 wrote:

> How do you get coco programs from a PC to the coco

Some PC hardware can write the proper disk format directly using a utility 
program.  Personally, I use an SVD (Semi-Virtual Disk) unit to emulate a 
floppy.  You load the disk images to it from a PC under Linux or Windows 
and it pretends to be a physical floppy disk.  The CoCo can boot and/or 
read from it.  You can copy it to an actual floppy easily.

Steve


-- 


From t.fadden at cox.net  Mon Sep  1 20:27:29 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:27:29 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pc to coco
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809012004230.7338@duo>
References: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com> <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809012004230.7338@duo>
Message-ID: <48BC8871.6040904@cox.net>

Great!  So,  how would one obtain one of these miraculous SVD devices? 
and please don't tell me it needs a multi-pak!

Tim FaddenSteven Hirsch wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, herojr2002 wrote:
>
>> How do you get coco programs from a PC to the coco
>
> Some PC hardware can write the proper disk format directly using a 
> utility program.  Personally, I use an SVD (Semi-Virtual Disk) unit to 
> emulate a floppy.  You load the disk images to it from a PC under 
> Linux or Windows and it pretends to be a physical floppy disk.  The 
> CoCo can boot and/or read from it.  You can copy it to an actual 
> floppy easily.
>
> Steve
>
>



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 20:41:21 2008
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:41:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pc to coco
In-Reply-To: <48BC8871.6040904@cox.net>
References: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com> <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809012004230.7338@duo>
	<48BC8871.6040904@cox.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809012032440.7338@duo>

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Tim Fadden wrote:

> Great!  So,  how would one obtain one of these miraculous SVD devices? and 
> please don't tell me it needs a multi-pak!

You need only a CoCo floppy adapter.  The SVD connects on the cable 
exactly as a real floppy disk drive would and can co-exist with up to 
three "real" drives.

Read about it here:

http://www.thesvd.com/SVD/

I'm not sure if the original designer is actually making them anymore.  I 
bought mine from Les Bird, who had a bunch fabbed using the original specs 
(freely available if you want to build your own).

You can reach Les at lesbird at bellsouth.net.  He may be planning another 
production run.

Another possibility is the Cloud-9 "DriveWire", which permits a PC to 
emulate a disk drive over a serial line from the CoCo.  Sounds reasonable, 
as approaches of this sort are around for C64 and Atari 800s.  I have no 
experience with the package, but they are well thought of by CoCo 
enthusiasts.

Steve



> Tim FaddenSteven Hirsch wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, herojr2002 wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you get coco programs from a PC to the coco
>> 
>> Some PC hardware can write the proper disk format directly using a utility 
>> program.  Personally, I use an SVD (Semi-Virtual Disk) unit to emulate a 
>> floppy.  You load the disk images to it from a PC under Linux or Windows 
>> and it pretends to be a physical floppy disk.  The CoCo can boot and/or 
>> read from it.  You can copy it to an actual floppy easily.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>
>
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From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 20:59:12 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:59:12 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
Message-ID: <090220080059.21613.48BC8FE00005F73A0000546D22135285730B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

I forget what point I was trying to make.  I was a few beers in.

A constitutional amendment would have no effect on whether or not anybody can marry,  Marriage is a private contract between two (or more) individuals (mix or match genders) and a deity if they have one,  The reason government got involved was for tax collection.  Can't find that bit in my copy of the US Constitution.  Lots of things going on I can't find there.  Like any organization named with three initials.

I'm in Kearny, Hudson County, the house La Esposa grew up in.  Old Victorian pile of crap.  It was a nice place once, but after a century and a quarter maintenance becomes constant.  Electricity and plumbing were retrofits.  I want to dump the place and move up to New Hampshire, but my name isn't on the deed.

In the last dozen years, I think I've smoked a dozen packs of cigarettes with Jersey tax stamps and one that involved the Bloomberg tax.  (My first wife's husband bought that after I told him not to).

Making them myself is less than a buck a pack.  Not counting several minutes of my valuable time.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> I'm trying to decide what you're saying here.  Are you disagreeing with
> something I said?  I don't think so.  And I don't think you're counted
> amongst those freaks in Oklahoma or wherever who think there should be
> an amendment to ban gay marriage, and that criticizing the government is
> "anti-American."  So what exactly are you trying to say? :)
> 
> Where in Jersey are you, anyway?
> 
> And yes, I pay nearly $10 a pack these days.  Not to mention nearly
> $400,000 for a tiny studio in midtown... everything's 'spensive, Lucy.



From underserf at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  1 21:08:54 2008
From: underserf at yahoo.com (underserf)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:08:54 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: pc to coco
In-Reply-To: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g9i3n6+qbik@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "herojr2002" <kb8wvn at ...> wrote:
>
> How do you get coco programs from a PC to the coco
>

If you have a true 360k floppydrive installed on your Winbox, there's
a utility set (ToDC, DirC & FromC) to do just that, you could buy
DriveWire which does a spanking good job as well, there is also a
kinda-sorta working utility set called DSKExtract & File2DSK. All but
DriveWire only work correctly on DECB disks, Drivewire can do all
kinds of stuff under NitrOS9 ;)

=KC7PSX=



From jcewy at swbell.net  Mon Sep  1 22:36:45 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:36:45 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pc to coco
In-Reply-To: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>
References: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <48BCA6BD.1090306@swbell.net>

herojr2002 wrote:
> How do you get coco programs from a PC to the coco
>
>   

Besides the ways already mentioned (disk images, SVD, Drivewire) I
believe there is also a utility that comes with one of the emulators
that will write a file to a WAV file compatible with the CoCo's cassette
port.  Or you can make the WAV file from the CoCo emulator itself.  One
or both of those statements is true.  Then you can hook up a CoCo
cassette cable to your PC's sound card, play the WAV file, and CLOAD(M)
it into the CoCo.  Though slow and perhaps error prone, it does have the
advantage of not requiring any special hardware or software.  You can
build the cable with parts from Radio Shack (imagine The Shack actually
being helpful to CoCo owners in 2008).  You can also use an .MP3 player
(most will play WAV files) or similar portable digital audio device in
place of a cassette drive.  Some of these devices will even record.  I
have one that will, but I need to cook up some kind of pre-amp because
the signal level coming out of the CoCo's cassette port barely registers
and is entirely inadequate.  I think the CoCo is putting out microphone
level and the .MP3 player wants line-level.  Or something like that.

Alternatively if you have some kind of mass storage on the CoCo, or if
you have the RS-232 PAK and can stand to use its built-in ROM terminal
program, you could transfer the file over a serial null-modem cable,
which might be a little faster than the cassette port.  If you really
had nothing but a CoCo 3 and a PC, you could load a RAMDISK program over
the cassette port, and then a terminal program.  Then you could use the
terminal program to download other stuff off the serial port.  :)

JCE

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From operator at coco3.com  Mon Sep  1 22:41:24 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Gustuv
In-Reply-To: <48BAB703.1030704@sbcglobal.net>
References: <200808302328504.SM01040@[63.69.23.239]>
	<48BAB703.1030704@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20080902024132.7F34B20A33@qs281.pair.com>

At 10:21 AM 8/31/2008, you wrote:
>I live up here in East Dallas and even we are getting prepared. 
>Track is to come right near us. Enough energy will be left in the 
>storm to create a lot of rain and flooding up here. The CAP 
>squadrons have plans in effect to move all our airplanes north to 
>Oklahoma. All the RACES and Ham Radio club are getting ready to 
>support the storm.
>
>
>John Donaldson



John, I was in the Dallas area for the past 2 days  (Plano, Grand 
Prairie, Arlington and everywhere else).  I took the kids on a 
weekend getaway, starting out in Plano just for the heck of it so we 
could park and then ride the Dart train all the southward to the 
Dallas Zoo.  That was mainly for the kids to experience a train ride 
that went underground and under Dallas like a subway once.  That 
night we drove to near 6 Flags on Hwy 360 and shacked at a nearby 
hotel but the next morning I decided to ditch the 6 Flags idea due to 
it being a holiday Plus the La evacuees being heavy in the area.  We 
instead went to Ripley's Believe It or Not and came back earlier 
since I didn't know what I-20 would be like under the weather situation.




From mechacoco at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 23:40:44 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:40:44 -0600
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pc to coco
In-Reply-To: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>
References: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809012040l6a3fcd1gbe73b3abc14ecac7@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/1/08, herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com> wrote:
> How do you get coco programs from a PC to the coco
>
>
------

If your goal is to transfer disk image files onto real CoCo disks, AND
you have a floppy drive in your Win XP/Vista/2000 PC, then you can
download the following:

CoCoDisk v0.5
<http://www.nitros9.org/FILES/CoCoDisk.zip>

This utility also requires that you install the fdrawcmd driver:
<http://simonowen.com/fdrawcmd/>

This is the same driver that you need to enable real floppy access in
the VCC emulator.


From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 23:59:36 2008
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:59:36 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0809012059x22d3e9b7se63384d968d50438@mail.gmail.com>

Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:48:21 -0500
From: Frank Pittel <fwp at deepthought.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email
       list
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <20080901184820.GB7962 at warlock.deepthought.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

What you reply to when you press "reply" is determined by your mail client
not the mailing list. You need to be careful when replying and make sure
you're replyig to who you think you're replying to.

Frank


I don't think so.

I belong to close to 10 lists. THIS list is the only one I've ever belonged
to that has this behaviour.
It's quite irrirating and it should be configurable by the user as to how it
should behave.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Sep  2 00:12:10 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:12:10 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <090120081651.20273.48BC1DAE000D17EC00004F3122092246270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <090120081651.20273.48BC1DAE000D17EC00004F3122092246270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200809020012.10863.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 01 September 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
>From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
>
>> On Saturday 30 August 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
>> >I have.  The publishers won't touch it with a five and a half foot
>> > Lithuanian (the height and most ancestry of La Esposa).  Possibly
>> > because everything I have to say has been done better by others.  L.
>> > Neil Smith (www.ncc-1776.com), Vin Suprynowicz
>> > (http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/Vin_Suprynowicz.html), and just about
>> > everybody who does a regular gig on www.lewrockwell.com.
>>
>> That's not too bad a company you keep there Ward, more or less along the
>> lines of the founding fathers when you get down to the foundations of what
>> they say.  But you have to keep the BS filters well oiled.
>
>I try to keep good company.  Neil (along with his wife and daughter) and Vin
> have both eaten my chili.  In fact I'm possibly the best known chili cook
> in the libertarian spectrum.  Hundredweights of it disappear at every
> PorcFest.  Gotta open my restaurant up in New Hampshire.  The planned name
> is "Fire!" partly because some folk think chili is spicy but also because
> anybody carrying effective self-defense (I don't mean a diploma from Tiger
> Schulman's karate school) gets a 10% discount.

Lemme know when you do, and if gas is back to affordable, I'll come and sample 
it, and collect my discount too.  I figure its about a 16 hour drive from 
here though.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Sep  2 00:17:46 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:17:46 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <090120081912.8336.48BC3E9E00078A0F0000209022135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <090120081912.8336.48BC3E9E00078A0F0000209022135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200809020017.46723.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 01 September 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
>From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
>
>> On Sunday 31 August 2008, Neil Morrison wrote:
>> >They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better.
>> > A few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why
>> > not all?
>>
>> Good question...  One I don't have a ready answer for.
>
>Ask any lawyer.  he'll explain in lots of long and expensive words.

Yup, he can do that.  But until its been adjudicated, he still puts his pants 
on just like I do, one leg at a time.  So I figure my words to him are worth 
just as much if he asks me about something technical.

>--
>Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net
>
>"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a
> guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him
> down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe
> Devil_

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
laser, n.:
	Failed death ray.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Sep  2 00:24:44 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <090120081931.2129.48BC43130006A2620000085122135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <090120081931.2129.48BC43130006A2620000085122135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200809020024.44959.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 01 September 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
>Gene, I'm supposed to be the straight man asking the stupidly obvious
> questions in our team.  Me Martin (and yes, I'm still drinking) you Lewis. 
> We can't let this relationship slide into a Sinatra/Brando (yeah, just
> watched "Guys and Dolls " yesterday after rereading a few volumes of Runyon
> stories) kind of thing. --
>Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

Chuckle, go back to your glass of BJD, Ward.   Or was that Colorado Koolaid? 
(I can't stand the headache that stuff gives me but that's just me.)

I would too, but the 1/2 gallon jug of BJD that Dave gave me in 2002 when I 
retired doesn't have but one decent swallow left in it.  Real heavy drinker 
here, took 6+ years to come to that.  2, maybe 3 real light beers a night is 
my speed.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Mal: "Nice shot."

Jayne: "I was aiming for his head."
				--Episode #2, "The Train Job"


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 00:31:09 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:31:09 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list(original message
	topic with my few tangents)
References: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <00a901c90cb4$b987a150$d4b1b1d8@house>

(prepend to the following)

 This post keeps growing as I come back from my coco and add more. So if you 
are A.D.D. then this may not be for you... :)

...................

  This is a fun group to be part of, even when it gets heated discussions 
going.

  It just amazes me that there are plenty of great folks here that know a 
KaZillion more stuff about everything than I do with a Coco. I sometimes 
feel like a beginner.

  The list has some rules that may or may not be within reality when it 
comes to listings.

  In asembly, a small, 1k(after assembly) ml program listing could be 
overwhelming... I would think

  A 4k Basic program is just that.... 4k. At least when it's saved in ASCI 
as does B09.

  My largest routine so far is the finished numeric routine that actually 
does all the engraving for numbers.
  It runs the stepper motors, does all the math and is a stand alone 
routine.
  It takes three pages on my Oki printer.

   Oh! OKI manual > View Online did work!(You know who you are). It's a pain 
to get that info onto PAPER. It's the only thing I trust less than engraving 
in Stainless Steel.

 By the way, since I've repositioned the ink pad and wick, it get darker 
everyday. No new ink!

 Not bad for a (at least) ten year old ribbon cassette left in the printer, 
both not in a box, just collecting dust.

 Movin' right along now....

I think it would be nice if when we change the subject on a topic, we should 
do as we USED to do and append the subject line so that folks that only want 
to look at the original topic could find them.

Original:
 [Coco] Dark spot dead center on the screen, TV or CM-8
            Reply:
 [Coco] Re; (ignore and move on to rants) WAS; Dark spot dead center on the 
screen, TV or CM-8
                    or
[Coco] Re; Dark spot dead center on the screen, TV or CM-8 (ignore and move 
on to rants)


 I betcha I missed something in the mix. There may be something in all the 
follow-ups that had value to my delima. But scanning the top of those 
messages indicated that there may not be anything there that relates, so I 
move on to the next one to see if there was some help in THAT one. Nope! 
Move to the next one, and on and on.

 It's fun to go back later and look through the off-topic stuff. But when 
I'm asking for help, I figured that something would happen that may be of 
assistance to me and my problem, WITH A COCO!

 Sorry I yelled.

"Lord, i humbly apologize to all those little people starving in ...."  :)
  "Larry,The Cable Guy)

 Or something like that.

 I suppose that the time it is taking to post this message, I could have 
gone through all the posts to find what I was looking for but, alas, I had 
to get my own rant going.

 If the SUBJECT stays the same, then no one who isn't interested in that 
subject should not  be "offended" by the listing if they don't OPEN the 
darned thing and look at it. If someone posted an ML listing( less than 40k) 
on this list, I would not look at that listing because I would not have a 
clue what I was looking at. I may read the text of the conversations though. 
I'm always up to learning something new.

 I probably should learn assembly. I think it would help in some cases with 
my Coco CNC project. Not a lot though, as the actual milling machine is not 
capable of going fast, except for rapid moves to get to a new cutting point. 
This could help. I bet it could cut the total time by 20 percent.  I have to 
run the milling machine slowly as it doesn't have the brute strength to cut 
metals at any other than VERY slowly. A dremel only can do so much.
 When moving from one cut to another, seeing it just zip over there would be 
really cool. However, right now, it "ZIPs" over there at the same rate as 
the cutting speed because it is still in B09... ie: time for a beer, and a 
smoke and actually look at the TV.
 Heaven forbid I should try this in RSBASIC.  I can hear(in my mind) the 
disk grinding away storing and retrieving data as I do now with a RAM disk. 
Even the RAM disk slows things down, so I only save and retrieve after a 
subroutine does it's thing. I can lose my current postion if I crash the 
mill or have to break out of the program, but for the most part, sofware 
errors are covered. I won't lose my position on the mill. It's a bit slower, 
but saves a lot of time homing out all three axis and starting from the top. 
This process takes about five minutes.

 So finally,

 How do we approach my programming problems in OS9/B09> on a Color Computer> 
on the Color Computer list group?? Without annoying or offending folks that 
aren't interested in this sort of thing?

George





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: <coco at lists5.maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list


> I've been thinking of having some of you gurus look at one or more of my
> B09 programs that I use on my CNC machine to see if you can find ways to
> improve it, criticize it/them or otherwise go... WOW, I dunno, George.
>
> However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact that
> most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here 
> lately
> but I thought I should ask anyway.
> These listings would (if I can format them correctly) would look good in 
> an
> email, are usually fairly small. About 4-8k.
>
> Right now, I'm struggling with straight lines that aren't 90 or 180
> degrees. The math is messing with my stepper motor routines and I'm 
> gaining
> and losing steps, throwing the total count off and therefore I end up in 
> the
> wrong places over large drawings with many angles to deal with. It's only 
> a
> few thousands of an inch, but when they have to come together in the end, 
> it
> all adds up.
>
> I working on engraving lately. This is WAY fun!
>
> Circles and arcs always come out perfectly. It's the darned straight lines
> at angles(I'm sure it's my math) that messes things up.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> George



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 00:30:58 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:30:58 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] pc to coco
References: <g9hsof+7a4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <D363A2616C4348D0B960A591CA4832D7@NewBaby>


Personally, I have an old 386 box that runs Win 3.1 and I use Vavasour's 
emulator to read / write the floppies on it.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "herojr2002" <kb8wvn at msn.com>

> How do you get coco programs from a PC to the coco



From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Tue Sep  2 00:31:55 2008
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:31:55 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0809012059x22d3e9b7se63384d968d50438@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0809012059x22d3e9b7se63384d968d50438@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48BCC1BB.3040404@embarqmail.com>

Tony Cappellini wrote:
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:48:21 -0500
> From: Frank Pittel <fwp at deepthought.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email
>        list
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <20080901184820.GB7962 at warlock.deepthought.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> What you reply to when you press "reply" is determined by your mail client
> not the mailing list. You need to be careful when replying and make sure
> you're replyig to who you think you're replying to.
>
> Frank
>
>
> I don't think so.
>
> I belong to close to 10 lists. THIS list is the only one I've ever belonged
> to that has this behaviour.
> It's quite irrirating and it should be configurable by the user as to how it
> should behave.
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   
Look at the header on this message.

On 1 of the mailing list messages that behaves as you like it to, hit 
the foreward button and copy - paste the header that is displayed so we 
can see what you are talking about.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Sep  2 00:40:05 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:40:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
In-Reply-To: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <200809020040.05398.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 01 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
> I've been thinking of having some of you gurus look at one or more of my
>B09 programs that I use on my CNC machine to see if you can find ways to
>improve it, criticize it/them or otherwise go... WOW, I dunno, George.
>
> However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact that
>most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here lately
>but I thought I should ask anyway.
> These listings would (if I can format them correctly) would look good in an
>email, are usually fairly small. About 4-8k.
>
> Right now, I'm struggling with straight lines that aren't 90 or 180
>degrees. The math is messing with my stepper motor routines and I'm gaining
>and losing steps, throwing the total count off and therefore I end up in the
>wrong places over large drawings with many angles to deal with. It's only a
>few thousands of an inch, but when they have to come together in the end, it
>all adds up.
>
> I working on engraving lately. This is WAY fun!
>
> Circles and arcs always come out perfectly. It's the darned straight lines
>at angles(I'm sure it's my math) that messes things up.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>George
>
You may have to learn C, and use the Kreider libraries + the extra trig.l to 
fix that George.  B09's math is most definitely NOT a double float, so never 
trust it for more than about the 5th digit to the right of the decimal point.

C's double floats are good to +-ee37 with 16 to 17 significant digits, and 
even after hundreds of iterations, probably at least 15 digits.  I haven't 
detected any decay personally, but haven't put it through any really huge 
loops either.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
What GOOD is a CARDBOARD suitcase ANYWAY?


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Sep  2 00:48:49 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:48:49 -0400
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
In-Reply-To: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <200809020048.49181.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 01 September 2008, tim lindner wrote:
>George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact that
>> most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here
>> lately but I thought I should ask anyway.
>
>On IRC they have a simular problem: Putting listings in the conversation
>flow ruins the conversation. They have solved it by using a listing
>service:
>
>http://pastie.org/
>
>I think it would be a nice way to go here.

Now there is a thought, George.  Just upload it to one of those, then post the 
link here.  If we thing we can help, we can go take a look.  I use 
pastebin.ca for that when I'm hassling the guys on the #EMC list, works 
great.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Hand, n.:
	A singular instrument worn at the end of a human arm and
	commonly thrust into somebody's pocket.
		-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 00:55:06 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:55:06 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
References: <004701c90c76$363866b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<200809020040.05398.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00bd01c90cb8$1205b710$d4b1b1d8@house>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Heskett"

> On Monday 01 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>> I've been thinking of having some of you gurus look at one or more of my
>>B09 programs that I use on my CNC machine to see if you can find ways to
>>improve it, criticize it/them or otherwise go... WOW, I dunno, George.
>>
>> However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact that
>>most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here 
>>lately
>>but I thought I should ask anyway.
>> These listings would (if I can format them correctly) would look good in 
>> an
>>email, are usually fairly small. About 4-8k.
>>
>> Right now, I'm struggling with straight lines that aren't 90 or 180
>>degrees. The math is messing with my stepper motor routines and I'm 
>>gaining
>>and losing steps, throwing the total count off and therefore I end up in 
>>the
>>wrong places over large drawings with many angles to deal with. It's only 
>>a
>>few thousands of an inch, but when they have to come together in the end, 
>>it
>>all adds up.
>>
>> I working on engraving lately. This is WAY fun!
>>
>> Circles and arcs always come out perfectly. It's the darned straight 
>> lines
>>at angles(I'm sure it's my math) that messes things up.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>>George
>>
> You may have to learn C, and use the Kreider libraries + the extra trig.l 
> to
> fix that George.  B09's math is most definitely NOT a double float, so 
> never
> trust it for more than about the 5th digit to the right of the decimal 
> point.
>
> C's double floats are good to +-ee37 with 16 to 17 significant digits, and
> even after hundreds of iterations, probably at least 15 digits.  I haven't
> detected any decay personally, but haven't put it through any really huge
> loops either.
>

Thank you, Gene!

The problem I have now is time. I have to get this going ASAP as I have a 
chance to "Show My Stuff" at work making tags for keys.
 My current work around on the straight line problem is to make an arc with 
such a large radius, that it doesn't show in the engraving. I appears to be 
straight.
 HAH! That center point of the arc is almost in the living room or out over 
the front porch. Sometimes behind the house.
 For a working area of six by six inches, this a HUGE thing. Well, I'm 
exaggerating a little.. maybe a ten inch radius.

  In only the large, four inch letters is it possible to see the arc, if you 
look at it at an angle .

 Calculating the start and end angles is the trick in this. We're only 
talking about a few degrees. Each .01 degree is a LONG way on that small 
table.

 I'll keep plugging away and see what I can do to make it better.

 Life's too short to learn a new programming language and how to set it up, 
rewrite everything and all that. I'll stick with what I do know and die with 
that limited knowledge.


George



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 01:05:02 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list (now)Color
	Computer subjects not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group
References: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>
	<200809020048.49181.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00c201c90cb9$75452a80$d4b1b1d8@house>

Nope! Not an option.

This is a Color Computer List for Color Computer Enthusiasts.
Going offline for Color Computer subjects seems the wrong way to go.

Sorry, folks. I won't give up on this subject of  Color Computer subjects 
not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group.

Take your politicking and other stuff somewhere else. Leave this list to the 
Color Computer .....

or play fair.



 I won't take a back seat to politics, weather, my car's back bumper or the 
next door neighbor over a Color Computer Subject.

 This is making my blood boil. Why can't we talk COCO on this list?

George



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Heskett" <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list


> On Monday 01 September 2008, tim lindner wrote:
>>George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact 
>>> that
>>> most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here
>>> lately but I thought I should ask anyway.
>>
>>On IRC they have a simular problem: Putting listings in the conversation
>>flow ruins the conversation. They have solved it by using a listing
>>service:
>>
>>http://pastie.org/
>>
>>I think it would be a nice way to go here.
>
> Now there is a thought, George.  Just upload it to one of those, then post 
> the
> link here.  If we thing we can help, we can go take a look.  I use
> pastebin.ca for that when I'm hassling the guys on the #EMC list, works
> great.




From dgacke at ektarion.com  Tue Sep  2 07:28:42 2008
From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 06:28:42 -0500
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list
	(now)Color	Computer subjects not acceptable on the Color
	Computer List Group
In-Reply-To: <00c201c90cb9$75452a80$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>	<200809020048.49181.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<00c201c90cb9$75452a80$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <007701c90cef$0e3dad90$2ab908b0$@com>

I was thinking the same thing George...

I like hearing about the assembler questions, etc, but that other stuff you
mentioned I could do without.


Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of George Ramsower
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:05 AM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list (now)Color
Computer subjects not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group

Nope! Not an option.

This is a Color Computer List for Color Computer Enthusiasts.
Going offline for Color Computer subjects seems the wrong way to go.

Sorry, folks. I won't give up on this subject of  Color Computer subjects 
not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group.

Take your politicking and other stuff somewhere else. Leave this list to the

Color Computer .....

or play fair.



 I won't take a back seat to politics, weather, my car's back bumper or the 
next door neighbor over a Color Computer Subject.

 This is making my blood boil. Why can't we talk COCO on this list?

George



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Heskett" <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list


> On Monday 01 September 2008, tim lindner wrote:
>>George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> However, we have rules about the size of listings. I know for a fact 
>>> that
>>> most of my routines are smaller than most of the off-topic posts here
>>> lately but I thought I should ask anyway.
>>
>>On IRC they have a simular problem: Putting listings in the conversation
>>flow ruins the conversation. They have solved it by using a listing
>>service:
>>
>>http://pastie.org/
>>
>>I think it would be a nice way to go here.
>
> Now there is a thought, George.  Just upload it to one of those, then post

> the
> link here.  If we thing we can help, we can go take a look.  I use
> pastebin.ca for that when I'm hassling the guys on the #EMC list, works
> great.



--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From rod.barnhart at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 09:19:04 2008
From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list (now)Color
	Computer subjects not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group
In-Reply-To: <00c201c90cb9$75452a80$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>
	<200809020048.49181.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<00c201c90cb9$75452a80$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0809020619i1ba709c7w56eee5b0ba622bc4@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:05 AM, George Ramsower
<georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a Color Computer List for Color Computer Enthusiasts.
> Going offline for Color Computer subjects seems the wrong way to go.
>
> Sorry, folks. I won't give up on this subject of  Color Computer subjects
> not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group.

I've seen listings posted in the past, and never saw anything
discouraging them at the time (and some of those threads grew pretty
large from participation). I don't think anyone would be upset by a
CoCo code listing, certainly. I think there are merits to posting code
elsewhere and linking to it (no worry if it fits within 40K or if
there's a problem with formatting), but this isn't real-time
conversation like IRC, so I don't think "keeping the conversation
going" is one of them ;)

Rod


From linville at tuxdriver.com  Tue Sep  2 11:03:04 2008
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:03:04 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Question about the reply behavior of this email list
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0809012059x22d3e9b7se63384d968d50438@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0809012059x22d3e9b7se63384d968d50438@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080902150304.GB3050@tuxdriver.com>

On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 08:59:36PM -0700, Tony Cappellini wrote:

> I don't think so.
> 
> I belong to close to 10 lists. THIS list is the only one I've ever belonged
> to that has this behaviour.
> It's quite irrirating and it should be configurable by the user as to how it
> should behave.

Perhaps not surprisingly, 'everyone' is both right and wrong on this
thread. :-)

Lots of lists do it each way -- I have no idea where the balance
falls-out.  IIRC, the default for the mailman software is to do it
the way this list does it (by setting "Reply-To:" to point at the
list).  Most "old school" tech-oriented lists (e.g. the Linux kernel
mailing list) do it the "other" way (i.e. not setting "Reply-To:").
Neither way is inherently right or wrong IMHO.

Doing it the "other" way leads to threads going off-list.  YMMV as
to whether this is a big problem, especially w.r.t. OT threads.

Doing it the way this list does it (i.e. setting Reply-To: to point at
the list) leads to people accidentally sending comments to the list
that were intended to be private.  This can lead to some embarassing
moments with unintentionally public insults/ridicule or exposing
private data like mailing addresses and phone numbers (which we have
seen here from time to time).

All things being equal, I'd rather do it the "other" way.  But, my
mail client's configuration is such that "Reply-To:" lists are not
a big problem either -- everyone should use mutt. :-)

Hth!

John

P.S.  One "wrong" way would be for the list to alter the From:
line to point to itself.  I think some list software can do this,
but I hope no one configures them to do so.
-- 
John W. Linville
linville at tuxdriver.com


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 16:02:23 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:02:23 -0700
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list (now)Color
	Computer subjects not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group
In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0809020619i1ba709c7w56eee5b0ba622bc4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1imlhxh.4snk0u1ulgekfM%tlindner@macmess.org>
	<200809020048.49181.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<00c201c90cb9$75452a80$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<6cd9b02e0809020619i1ba709c7w56eee5b0ba622bc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93f331ac0809021302u23229228i964fe41a390b615d@mail.gmail.com>

You could post it as an attachment on the Yahoo list or even as a file
there. Or get a "Google Sites" site and post it there.

Neil

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Rod Barnhart <rod.barnhart at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've seen listings posted in the past, and never saw anything
> discouraging them at the time (and some of those threads grew pretty
> large from participation). I don't think anyone would be upset by a
> CoCo code listing, certainly. I think there are merits to posting code
> elsewhere and linking to it (no worry if it fits within 40K or if
> there's a problem with formatting), but this isn't real-time
> conversation like IRC, so I don't think "keeping the conversation
> going" is one of them ;)
>
> Rod


From t.fadden at cox.net  Tue Sep  2 16:57:08 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:57:08 -0400
Subject: [Coco] FOR REAL! Program listings on the list (now)Color
 Computer subjects not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group
In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0809020619i1ba709c7w56eee5b0ba622bc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080902165708.FHN92.86011.imail@fed1rmwml31>

Well, to keep the post size down,

First only put the code in the first post.  on replys, delete all but the minamal sample needed to get the point accross.  and dont keep letting the replys get bigger and bigger.  

Any body interested can start with the first post, and follow the thread.  to see the progression. 

STOP THE BLOAT!  After a thread has been on for a while it just gets bigger and bigger full of repeated stuff to weed out to get to the latest thought.

In other words, clean up the reply's and keep them short!  The big messages come from all the C@$@p left in the reply's.

My opinion only, and I do not speak for the list, or anybody else on the list. :-)

Tim Fadden


---- Rod Barnhart <rod.barnhart at gmail.com> wrote: 
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:05 AM, George Ramsower
<georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a Color Computer List for Color Computer Enthusiasts.
> Going offline for Color Computer subjects seems the wrong way to go.
>
> Sorry, folks. I won't give up on this subject of  Color Computer subjects
> not acceptable on the Color Computer List Group.

I've seen listings posted in the past, and never saw anything
discouraging them at the time (and some of those threads grew pretty
large from participation). I don't think anyone would be upset by a
CoCo code listing, certainly. I think there are merits to posting code
elsewhere and linking to it (no worry if it fits within 40K or if
there's a problem with formatting), but this isn't real-time
conversation like IRC, so I don't think "keeping the conversation
going" is one of them ;)

Rod

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From badfrog_188 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  2 21:25:13 2008
From: badfrog_188 at yahoo.com (badfrog_188)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:25:13 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Huge CoCo sale.
Message-ID: <g9kp1p+gdao@eGroups.com>

(cross post from me via CoCo3.com forums)
I'm hoping to start a little storm around the CoCo community.

I'm selling my entire CoCo collection.  As much love as I have for it,
it's just not prudent for me to keep it around anymore.  It's been
powered on for about 4 total hours in the last 9 years, and most of that
has been the last 3 months getting all the pictures ready.
I know there must be some enthusiasts with much more, but you must agree
this a very extensive collection.  It took a lot to convince myself I'm
finally willing to part with it all.

http://www.i8u2.com/coco/ <http://www.i8u2.com/coco/>

Page is obviously a work in progress.  I'm also experimenting with
Google Picasa, as there is no way my home web server could host this
many pictures (without it taking 10 minutes to load)
If there are image problems please be patient.  All my testing looks
pretty good so far.

Make offers, and I'll put the going prices next to the items.  I figure
I'll give each item a week.

I still have PILES more not photographed yet.  Manuals, software, etc.



From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  2 22:16:09 2008
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:16:09 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Gustuv
In-Reply-To: <20080902024132.7F34B20A33@qs281.pair.com>
References: <200808302328504.SM01040@[63.69.23.239]>	<48BAB703.1030704@sbcglobal.net>
	<20080902024132.7F34B20A33@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <48BDF369.8000100@sbcglobal.net>

Hope you and your kids had a good time before you headed back.

John Donaldson


Roger Taylor wrote:

> At 10:21 AM 8/31/2008, you wrote:
>
>> I live up here in East Dallas and even we are getting prepared. Track 
>> is to come right near us. Enough energy will be left in the storm to 
>> create a lot of rain and flooding up here. The CAP squadrons have 
>> plans in effect to move all our airplanes north to Oklahoma. All the 
>> RACES and Ham Radio club are getting ready to support the storm.
>>
>>
>> John Donaldson
>
>
>
>
> John, I was in the Dallas area for the past 2 days  (Plano, Grand 
> Prairie, Arlington and everywhere else).  I took the kids on a weekend 
> getaway, starting out in Plano just for the heck of it so we could 
> park and then ride the Dart train all the southward to the Dallas 
> Zoo.  That was mainly for the kids to experience a train ride that 
> went underground and under Dallas like a subway once.  That night we 
> drove to near 6 Flags on Hwy 360 and shacked at a nearby hotel but the 
> next morning I decided to ditch the 6 Flags idea due to it being a 
> holiday Plus the La evacuees being heavy in the area.  We instead went 
> to Ripley's Believe It or Not and came back earlier since I didn't 
> know what I-20 would be like under the weather situation.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


-- 


From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Tue Sep  2 23:16:36 2008
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:16:36 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Huge CoCo sale.
In-Reply-To: <g9kp1p+gdao@eGroups.com>
References: <g9kp1p+gdao@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00d301c90d73$79ba1c50$6d2e54f0$@com>

HEY!!  What is that iPod doing in there??  hehe

 

From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of badfrog_188
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:25 PM
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Color Computer] Huge CoCo sale.

 

(cross post from me via CoCo3.com forums)
I'm hoping to start a little storm around the CoCo community. 

I'm selling my entire CoCo collection.  As much love as I have for it, it's
just not prudent for me to keep it around anymore.  It's been powered on for
about 4 total hours in the last 9 years, and most of that has been the last
3 months getting all the pictures ready.
I know there must be some enthusiasts with much more, but you must agree
this a very extensive collection.  It took a lot to convince myself I'm
finally willing to part with it all.

http://www.i8u2.com/coco/ 

Page is obviously a work in progress.  I'm also experimenting with Google
Picasa, as there is no way my home web server could host this many pictures
(without it taking 10 minutes to load) 
If there are image problems please be patient.  All my testing look s pretty
good so far.

Make offers, and I'll put the going prices next to the items.  I figure I'll
give each item a week.

I still have PILES more not photographed yet.  Manuals, software, etc.

 

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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 23:41:18 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:41:18 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  B09 listing in in editor
Message-ID: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>

In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines as 
it can be done to the screen?

I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
also, but I was just experimenting.

Ideas?

George 



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Tue Sep  2 23:58:07 2008
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:58:07 -0400
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
In-Reply-To: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <48BE0B4F.4090507@worldnet.att.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
> In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines 
> as it can be done to the screen?
> 
> I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
> also, but I was just experimenting.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> George
> 

The normal approach is to list the entire procedure to a printer. I 
don't think you can redirect output from within the editor.

So from the B09 command line  list procedure_name >/p  or list * /p


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 00:15:52 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48BE0B4F.4090507@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <004c01c90d7b$c16af300$d4b1b1d8@house>


> George Ramsower wrote:
>> In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines 
>> as it can be done to the screen?
>>
>> I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
>> also, but I was just experimenting.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> George
>>
>
> The normal approach is to list the entire procedure to a printer. I don't 
> think you can redirect output from within the editor.
>
> So from the B09 command line  list procedure_name >/p  or list * /p

 Yeah, this is the catch. I hate to waste five pages of printer paper and 
ink to list just the part I want to keep so I could save my old numbers 
while I change them around. I suppose I'll have to do it the hard way, write 
them down.
 That's what I've been doing anyway.  Usually it's just one or two 
variables, but it would be nice just print the lines I'm working on.
 Writing the numbers down isn't that tough. I think I'm just getting lazy.



George 



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 00:33:56 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:33:56 +1000
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <003c01c90d7e$490f0010$0701a8c0@master>

George,
Why not load the (unpacked) B09 files into a text editor, and cut out the 
parts you want and print the result? Since B09 files are just straight ASCII 
text, it should be possible. This would not give the identical result as the 
list command, but may suffice.

Also, you should be able to redirect the list output to a file, I think?

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: <coco at lists5.maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor


> In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines as 
> it can be done to the screen?
>
> I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
> also, but I was just experimenting.
>
> Ideas?
>
> George
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 00:38:13 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:38:13 +1000
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <004901c90d7e$e45d9b30$0701a8c0@master>

In fact, you can redirect the list command like this:

list >/h0/listing.txt


--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: <coco at lists5.maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor


> In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines as 
> it can be done to the screen?
>
> I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
> also, but I was just experimenting.
>
> Ideas?
>
> George
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 00:40:30 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:40:30 +1000
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <004e01c90d7f$33b49490$0701a8c0@master>

If you have multiple procedures in the same B09 file, you can list specific 
procedures by name, like this:

list procedure_name >/h0/procedure_name.txt

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: <coco at lists5.maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor


> In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines as 
> it can be done to the screen?
>
> I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
> also, but I was just experimenting.
>
> Ideas?
>
> George
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 00:49:43 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:49:43 +1000
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <005f01c90d80$7dbf3df0$0701a8c0@master>

Sadly, once you're in EDIT mode in B09, nothing can be redirected. A screen 
printing routine would be the only other option there. Such a programme does 
exist, and is available on RTSI (can't remember the name off-hand, though).

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: <coco at lists5.maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor


> In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines as 
> it can be done to the screen?
>
> I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
> also, but I was just experimenting.
>
> Ideas?
>
> George
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 01:00:13 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<005f01c90d80$7dbf3df0$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <006a01c90d81$f35b9ee0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 Ah!

 Ya shoulda read all the posts first.

 Yeah, it's hopeless.. I'll just write 'em down as I've always done.

> Sadly, once you're in EDIT mode in B09, nothing can be redirected. A 
> screen printing routine would be the only other option there. Such a 
> programme does exist, and is available on RTSI (can't remember the name 
> off-hand, though).
>
> --
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> From: "George Ramsower"
>> In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines 
>> as it can be done to the screen?
>>
>> I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
>> also, but I was just experimenting.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> George



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 01:18:16 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:18:16 -0500
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor(Screen Capture)
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house><005f01c90d80$7dbf3df0$0701a8c0@master>
	<006a01c90d81$f35b9ee0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <006f01c90d84$78c2db50$d4b1b1d8@house>

I was thinking of the Screen Capture that I do sometimes with Paint Shop 
....

 Wouldn't  it be nice if you had something in /W1 that you wanted to capture 
to a file or something? Such as the thing we're talking about here..... 
about saving just what you are looking at?

 How about a routine that would route the info on that screen to somewhere 
else, such as....


 ScreenShot </W2 >/p

 ScreenShot </W2 >/W3

 ScreemShot </W2 >/D0/FILES/SHOTS/this routine

or something like that where we could actually do something with which we 
are about to lose?


 Slightly off topic but, I could lazily save those numbers before I change 
them and won't have to get the pencil and write them down.

 I like old Oki printer.


George 



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 02:54:21 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:54:21 +1000
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor(Screen Capture)
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house><005f01c90d80$7dbf3df0$0701a8c0@master><006a01c90d81$f35b9ee0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<006f01c90d84$78c2db50$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <006e01c90d91$e6c72680$0701a8c0@master>

George,
there is such a programme as you describe. I'm 99% sure it's on RTSI, but I 
don't remember it's name right now.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor(Screen Capture)


>I was thinking of the Screen Capture that I do sometimes with Paint Shop 
>....
>
> Wouldn't  it be nice if you had something in /W1 that you wanted to 
> capture to a file or something? Such as the thing we're talking about 
> here..... about saving just what you are looking at?
>
> How about a routine that would route the info on that screen to somewhere 
> else, such as....
>
>
> ScreenShot </W2 >/p
>
> ScreenShot </W2 >/W3
>
> ScreemShot </W2 >/D0/FILES/SHOTS/this routine
>
> or something like that where we could actually do something with which we 
> are about to lose?
>
>
> Slightly off topic but, I could lazily save those numbers before I change 
> them and won't have to get the pencil and write them down.
>
> I like old Oki printer.
>
>
> George
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 03:10:58 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:10:58 +1000
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor(Screen Capture)
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house><005f01c90d80$7dbf3df0$0701a8c0@master><006a01c90d81$f35b9ee0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<006f01c90d84$78c2db50$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <007b01c90d94$39cf0800$0701a8c0@master>

there's a programme on RTSI in the \OS9\OS9_6X09\APPS directory, called 
SDUMP_1_10.lzh which will do what you want. Instructions are in the archive.
I believe that the archive SCREEN.AR may well contain a similar programme. 
It's in the \OS9\OS9_6809\UTILITIES directory.
--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor(Screen Capture)


>I was thinking of the Screen Capture that I do sometimes with Paint Shop 
>....
>
> Wouldn't  it be nice if you had something in /W1 that you wanted to 
> capture to a file or something? Such as the thing we're talking about 
> here..... about saving just what you are looking at?
>
> How about a routine that would route the info on that screen to somewhere 
> else, such as....
>
>
> ScreenShot </W2 >/p
>
> ScreenShot </W2 >/W3
>
> ScreemShot </W2 >/D0/FILES/SHOTS/this routine
>
> or something like that where we could actually do something with which we 
> are about to lose?
>
>
> Slightly off topic but, I could lazily save those numbers before I change 
> them and won't have to get the pencil and write them down.
>
> I like old Oki printer.
>
>
> George
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From badfrog_188 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  2 23:41:32 2008
From: badfrog_188 at yahoo.com (badfrog_188)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:41:32 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Huge CoCo sale.
In-Reply-To: <00d301c90d73$79ba1c50$6d2e54f0$@com>
Message-ID: <g9l11c+77cc@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Tom Seagrove" <tjseagrove at ...>
wrote:
>
> HEY!!  What is that iPod doing in there??  hehe


Didn't you see my description?  It's just to prove it's not a 15 year
old photo!  :P


From manney.list at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 03:42:20 2008
From: manney.list at gmail.com (Manny)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:42:20 +0100
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Huge CoCo sale.
In-Reply-To: <g9kp1p+gdao@eGroups.com>
References: <g9kp1p+gdao@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <48BE3FDC.4090703@gmail.com>

badfrog_188 wrote:
> (cross post from me via CoCo3.com forums)
> I'm hoping to start a little storm around the CoCo community.
> 
> I'm selling my entire CoCo collection.

...

> Make offers, and I'll put the going prices next to the items.  I figure
> I'll give each item a week.
> 
> I still have PILES more not photographed yet.  Manuals, software, etc.

Argh! *sob*

I used to live near Hillsboro, MO, too...

-M.


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Wed Sep  3 07:33:26 2008
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:33:26 -0400
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
In-Reply-To: <004c01c90d7b$c16af300$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>	<48BE0B4F.4090507@worldnet.att.net>
	<004c01c90d7b$c16af300$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <48BE7606.4050405@worldnet.att.net>

George Ramsower wrote:

> Yeah, this is the catch. I hate to waste five pages of printer paper and 
> ink to list just the part I want to keep so I could save my old numbers 
> while I change them around. I suppose I'll have to do it the hard way, 
> write them down.
> That's what I've been doing anyway.  Usually it's just one or two 
> variables, but it would be nice just print the lines I'm working on.
> Writing the numbers down isn't that tough. I think I'm just getting lazy.
> 
> 
> 
> George
> 

Well, it is more involved but an emulator or Roger's RainbowIDE will 
solve your problem. Just move the program development to an emulator and 
  it is easy to take a few lines and transfer them to an editor. With 
Roger's program, you already have a wysiwyg editor.


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 11:49:26 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:49:26 -0500
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>	<48BE0B4F.4090507@worldnet.att.net><004c01c90d7b$c16af300$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48BE7606.4050405@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c90ddc$a54860c0$d4b1b1d8@house>

> George Ramsower wrote:
>
>> Yeah, this is the catch. I hate to waste five pages of printer paper and 
>> ink to list just the part I want to keep so I could save my old numbers 
>> while I change them around. I suppose I'll have to do it the hard way, 
>> write them down.
>> That's what I've been doing anyway.  Usually it's just one or two 
>> variables, but it would be nice just print the lines I'm working on.
>> Writing the numbers down isn't that tough. I think I'm just getting lazy.
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>>
> From: "Robert Gault" Well, it is more involved but an emulator or Roger's 
> RainbowIDE will solve your problem. Just move the program development to 
> an emulator and it is easy to take a few lines and transfer them to an 
> editor. With Roger's program, you already have a wysiwyg editor.

 An emulator won't operate my milling machine.  Moving the listing to an 
emulator and back would be too time consuming. That coco doesn't have a 
serial port, right now. I'm thinking of adding one so I can easily transfer 
stuff to/from the other coco and this PC. The other coco has three ports, so 
I can use it as a gateway to this pc.

 Still, writing down the info is the best way until I get a chance to look 
on RTSI for that which Bob said:

there's a programme on RTSI in the \OS9\OS9_6X09\APPS directory, called
SDUMP_1_10.lzh which will do what you want. Instructions are in the archive.
I believe that the archive SCREEN.AR may well contain a similar programme.
It's in the \OS9\OS9_6809\UTILITIES directory.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

 Gotta go to work now. Bummer.

George 



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Wed Sep  3 11:55:59 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
In-Reply-To: <000c01c90ddc$a54860c0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48BE0B4F.4090507@worldnet.att.net><004c01c90d7b$c16af300$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48BE7606.4050405@worldnet.att.net>
	<000c01c90ddc$a54860c0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <1220457359.23160.0.camel@dev>


> 
>  An emulator won't operate my milling machine.  Moving the listing to an 
> emulator and back would be too time consuming. That coco doesn't have a 
> serial port, right now. I'm thinking of adding one so I can easily transfer 
> stuff to/from the other coco and this PC. The other coco has three ports, so 
> I can use it as a gateway to this pc.
> 

I'll sell you one for a reasonable price!  With FIFOs and everything! ;)

c.




From joef6809 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 13:34:02 2008
From: joef6809 at gmail.com (Joe F)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:34:02 -0400
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
Message-ID: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 anywhere?


From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep  4 13:59:56 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:59:56 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C0221C.7080601@swbell.net>

I have schematics for version 2 memory and I/O boards, but not for the
older I/O board or for the CPU board.  I think I made ROM images, but if
I didn't I do have the ROMs and an EPROM programmer.

JCE

Joe F wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 anywhere?
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep  4 14:01:58 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C02296.6010304@swbell.net>

I might also add that I have JEDEC files for the GALs on the I/O board.

JCE

Joe F wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 anywhere?
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From tlindner at macmess.org  Thu Sep  4 14:13:37 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:13:37 -0700
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <48C02296.6010304@swbell.net>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48C02296.6010304@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <5b0704c10809041113i53600805gccd5bff472fbf829@mail.gmail.com>

Could I get a copy of the information also? A MESS driver for the MM/1
has been something I've wanted to do for a while.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org


From linville at tuxdriver.com  Thu Sep  4 14:52:15 2008
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:52:15 -0400
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <5b0704c10809041113i53600805gccd5bff472fbf829@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48C02296.6010304@swbell.net>
	<5b0704c10809041113i53600805gccd5bff472fbf829@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080904185214.GB4108@tuxdriver.com>

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 11:13:37AM -0700, tim lindner wrote:
> Could I get a copy of the information also? A MESS driver for the MM/1
> has been something I've wanted to do for a while.

I'd like a copy too if you don't mind.

Thanks!

John
-- 
John W. Linville
linville at tuxdriver.com


From adit at nationsdial.com  Thu Sep  4 15:15:48 2008
From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:15:48 -0700
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <48C0221C.7080601@swbell.net>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48C0221C.7080601@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <F09C4DD0-BD45-41F5-9ED9-8648A338E9DE@nationsdial.com>


On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Joel Ewy wrote:

> I have schematics for version 2 memory and I/O boards, but not for the
> older I/O board or for the CPU board.  I think I made ROM images,  
> but if
> I didn't I do have the ROMs and an EPROM programmer.
>
> JCE

I would love to get a copy of what you have to put it into the CoCo/ 
OS-9 Documentation archive. Also, for anyone interested, the MM/1  
Technical Manual, etc. should be up on maltedmedia. Unfortunately it  
has no schematics, just a chip placement drawing in the TM.

Dean


From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep  4 16:13:35 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <F09C4DD0-BD45-41F5-9ED9-8648A338E9DE@nationsdial.com>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>	<48C0221C.7080601@swbell.net>
	<F09C4DD0-BD45-41F5-9ED9-8648A338E9DE@nationsdial.com>
Message-ID: <48C0416F.4000209@swbell.net>

Let me try to round up all this info.  The schematics will have to be
scanned.  I think long ago I promised somebody (was it Willard Goosey)
that I would scan the docs for a Motorola 6809 EXORciser CPU board. 
Have neither forgotten nor gotten around to it yet.  Maybe this weekend
I'll find time to do a scanning marathon.

Also a correction:  the info I have is for Ver. 3 of the I/O boards, and
for the 8M memory/backplane boards.  Looking through my notes, I also
have the BOMs for the above mentioned boards, and some correspondence
between myself and Ray Patterson about getting the SCSI interface on the
V3 I/O boards to work.

JCE

Dean Leiber wrote:
>
> On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Joel Ewy wrote:
>
>> I have schematics for version 2 memory and I/O boards, but not for the
>> older I/O board or for the CPU board.  I think I made ROM images, but if
>> I didn't I do have the ROMs and an EPROM programmer.
>>
>> JCE
>
> I would love to get a copy of what you have to put it into the
> CoCo/OS-9 Documentation archive. Also, for anyone interested, the MM/1
> Technical Manual, etc. should be up on maltedmedia. Unfortunately it
> has no schematics, just a chip placement drawing in the TM.
>
> Dean
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From twixt at cstone.net  Thu Sep  4 15:41:39 2008
From: twixt at cstone.net (David Bush)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:41:39 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans
In-Reply-To: <g9p4nt+hrge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g9pdlj+mrfr@eGroups.com>


> > You can also upload them to rapidshare.de and post the links.

> If anyone has a reliable method for downloading a batch of files from
> RapidShare, would they please post the solution?

>From the main RapidShare web page is a FAQ link, where they say:
"Right now we have tested the following programs successfully:
GetRight, FlashGet, GoZilla and IDM."

Also you might try the Firefox add-on OpenDownload. You could even
email RapidShare at webmaster at rapidshare.de

If you could provide an example URL that you tried to download, I
could try to download it too, and see if any of my suggestions work.

> None of the usual things, e.g. 'Down Them All' under Firefox, will
> work. I splurged on a Premium account, but even after logging in it
> only pulls down a short html file for each target instead of getting
> the actual file.  
> 
> Tried installing the RapidShare download manager.  What a disaster. 
> Worthless program and even worse technical support.  Could not even
> install it in 4 attempts.
>




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 16:49:20 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:49:20 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans
In-Reply-To: <g9p4nt+hrge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g9phkg+3uov@eGroups.com>

--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "snhirsch5" <snhirsch5 at ...> wrote:

> If anyone has a reliable method for downloading a batch of files from
> RapidShare, would they please post the solution?
> 
> None of the usual things, e.g. 'Down Them All' under Firefox, will
> work. I splurged on a Premium account, but even after logging in it
> only pulls down a short html file for each target instead of getting
> the actual file.  
> 
> Tried installing the RapidShare download manager.  What a disaster. 
> Worthless program and even worse technical support.  Could not even
> install it in 4 attempts.

You can only D/L one file at a time unless you have a paid account. If
you do, AFAIK you still have to click on each link to do it. At least
they got rid of the damned dogs and cats.

There is a service you can use which supposedly lets you D/L multiple
files from RS with no paid account - but you have to pay for that!

Neil




From devries.bob at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 17:13:38 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:13:38 +1000
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901c90ed3$1be6f920$0701a8c0@master>

I have the schematics already scanned here on my computers.
I can email them, or upload them to maltedmedia.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe F" <joef6809 at gmail.com>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:34 AM
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted


> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 
> anywhere?
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From jpw1 at ptd.net  Thu Sep  4 16:56:26 2008
From: jpw1 at ptd.net (Jason P. Walters)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:56:26 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans
In-Reply-To: <g9phkg+3uov@eGroups.com>
References: <g9p4nt+hrge@eGroups.com> <g9phkg+3uov@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006101c90ed0$b2512aa0$16f37fe0$@net>

Hi Neil,

I used to use a program called RapGet. http://www.rapget.com/en/  It has a feature where you can cut and paste URLs into it.

Thanks,

Jason

"snhirsch5" <snhirsch5 at ...>
wrote:

> If anyone has a reliable method for downloading a batch of files from
> RapidShare, would they please post the solution?


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 17:36:24 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:36:24 +1000
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005001c90ed6$49c41ff0$0701a8c0@master>

I have uploaded the following files to ftp.maltedmedia.com/incoming/

MM-1_1.JPG
MM-1_2.JPG
MM-1_3.JPG
MM-1_4.JPG
MM-1_midi.JPG
MM1_PCB_layout.JPG

These are scans of the schematics of the MM/1 computer.

If someone has better scans, I'd love to see them; also I have no scans of 
the IO board, nor the backplane. The schematic of the midi paddle board was 
drawn by myself.
--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe F" <joef6809 at gmail.com>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:34 AM
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted


> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 
> anywhere?
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep  4 17:50:51 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <005001c90ed6$49c41ff0$0701a8c0@master>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<005001c90ed6$49c41ff0$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <48C0583B.1090004@swbell.net>

Bob Devries wrote:
> I have uploaded the following files to ftp.maltedmedia.com/incoming/
>
> MM-1_1.JPG
> MM-1_2.JPG
> MM-1_3.JPG
> MM-1_4.JPG
> MM-1_midi.JPG
> MM1_PCB_layout.JPG
>
> These are scans of the schematics of the MM/1 computer.
>
> If someone has better scans, I'd love to see them; also I have no
> scans of the IO board, nor the backplane. The schematic of the midi
> paddle board was drawn by myself.
Very nice, Bob.  I'm looking forward to downloading these when Dennis
gets them processed.  So this is just the CPU board, correct?  I'll scan
my I/O and memory board schematics.  Meanwhile, I've found my ROM and
PAL dumps, and I'll upload them to maltedmedia.com.

JCE
> -- 
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe F" <joef6809 at gmail.com>
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:34 AM
> Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
>
>
>> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1
>> anywhere?
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep  4 18:14:10 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:14:10 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <005001c90ed6$49c41ff0$0701a8c0@master>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<005001c90ed6$49c41ff0$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <48C05DB2.1010702@swbell.net>

I've uploaded MM1.zip with a boot ROM image and all the logic files for
the PALs in the I/O board, the memory board, and I think also the CPU board.

I'll try to scan the schematics I have when I get a chance, and I may
also try to digest the email messages I have about sorting out the V3
I/O board problems.

JCE

Bob Devries wrote:
> I have uploaded the following files to ftp.maltedmedia.com/incoming/
>
> MM-1_1.JPG
> MM-1_2.JPG
> MM-1_3.JPG
> MM-1_4.JPG
> MM-1_midi.JPG
> MM1_PCB_layout.JPG
>
> These are scans of the schematics of the MM/1 computer.
>
> If someone has better scans, I'd love to see them; also I have no
> scans of the IO board, nor the backplane. The schematic of the midi
> paddle board was drawn by myself.
> -- 
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe F" <joef6809 at gmail.com>
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:34 AM
> Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
>
>
>> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1
>> anywhere?
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 20:42:21 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:42:21 +1000
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009d01c90ef0$59b95d70$0701a8c0@master>

My MM1 scans are now here:

 ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/OS9_68K/MM1/Hardware/


--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe F" <joef6809 at gmail.com>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:34 AM
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted


> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 
> anywhere?
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep  4 23:30:01 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:30:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <009d01c90ef0$59b95d70$0701a8c0@master>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<009d01c90ef0$59b95d70$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <48C0A7B9.4000904@swbell.net>

Bob Devries wrote:
> My MM1 scans are now here:
>
> ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/OS9_68K/MM1/Hardware/
>
The ROM images and PAL files are there now too, and I just scanned and
uploaded my Ver. 3 I/O board schematics, plus scans of the bare boards I
have.  I guess I don't have schematics for the 8M RAM board.  But I
still do have boards and parts, and the PAL equations should tell most
of the story there.  The board isn't terribly involved and the
functionality could probably be pretty easily reverse engineered.

JCE
>
> -- 
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe F" <joef6809 at gmail.com>
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:34 AM
> Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
>
>
>> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1
>> anywhere?
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Sep  5 01:58:31 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:58:31 -0500
Subject: [Coco] High Color Display Mod for MM/1?
Message-ID: <48C0CA87.1060001@swbell.net>

Ok, you've all gotten me thinking about the MM/1 again.  I've long
wanted to experiment with restuffing all, or more likely only part of
the palette registers on the MM/1 to get more colors per line, like
what's already been done for high color displays on the CoCo.  So I
needed to know the address of the RAMDAC.  I was looking at the
schematics Bob uploaded instead of falling asleep, and then got curious
and went searching for a datasheet for the Brooktree BT478.  Before I
found it, I came across a datasheet for the Brooktree BT481, which
appears to be an updated, pin-compatible replacement for a number of
RAMDAC parts, including the BT478.  What intrigues me about this chip is
that it has high-color and true-color modes where it latches serial
bytes to feed the video DACs directly, bypassing the palette.  There is
one 15-bit (5-5-5) mode that looks particularly promising. 

Now the problem with this is that, at the very least, the horizontal
resolution would be halved.  So the interlaced overscan 384x480 8-bit
mode would become a rather odd 192x480 15-bit color mode.  Would it be
worth doing?  I don't know.  Probably not, but it's certainly
interesting to think about, and I'm definitely going to keep my eyes
open when I next look through my boxes of old video cards to see if
there's a BT481 out there that can be liberated from a socket or gently
heat-gunned off its board.

Any thoughts?

JCE


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 02:22:47 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:22:47 +1000
Subject: [Coco] High Color Display Mod for MM/1?
References: <48C0CA87.1060001@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <00bf01c90f1f$f4335f20$0701a8c0@master>

Joel,
It's certainly an interesting prospect. As well as that, there's the so 
called VGA mode that the MM/1 is supposed to have, but no-one seems to have 
knowledge of.

It would be good to collect data sheets of all the major chips in the MM/1 
and upload them to maltedmedia. I have a PDF file of the SCC66470B which I 
can upload.

It could also be advantageous to upload the disk images of the original 
distribution disks.

My own MM/1 is a CPU board with an IO board mounted on a non-active 
backplane (no memory provision), and I have the MIDI paddle board.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Ewy" <jcewy at swbell.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: [Coco] High Color Display Mod for MM/1?


> Ok, you've all gotten me thinking about the MM/1 again.  I've long
> wanted to experiment with restuffing all, or more likely only part of
> the palette registers on the MM/1 to get more colors per line, like
> what's already been done for high color displays on the CoCo.  So I
> needed to know the address of the RAMDAC.  I was looking at the
> schematics Bob uploaded instead of falling asleep, and then got curious
> and went searching for a datasheet for the Brooktree BT478.  Before I
> found it, I came across a datasheet for the Brooktree BT481, which
> appears to be an updated, pin-compatible replacement for a number of
> RAMDAC parts, including the BT478.  What intrigues me about this chip is
> that it has high-color and true-color modes where it latches serial
> bytes to feed the video DACs directly, bypassing the palette.  There is
> one 15-bit (5-5-5) mode that looks particularly promising.
>
> Now the problem with this is that, at the very least, the horizontal
> resolution would be halved.  So the interlaced overscan 384x480 8-bit
> mode would become a rather odd 192x480 15-bit color mode.  Would it be
> worth doing?  I don't know.  Probably not, but it's certainly
> interesting to think about, and I'm definitely going to keep my eyes
> open when I next look through my boxes of old video cards to see if
> there's a BT481 out there that can be liberated from a socket or gently
> heat-gunned off its board.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> JCE
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 09:42:57 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:42:57 -0500
Subject: [Coco] B09 listing in in editor
References: <004501c90d76$eef40000$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <002001c90f5d$4ed84020$d4b1b1d8@house>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower"

> In the B09 editor, is it possible to list to a printer a group of lines as 
> it can be done to the screen?
>
> I've tried l+ 10 >/p and it won't work. I tried a couple of stupid ideas 
> also, but I was just experimenting.
>
> Ideas?


 I finally got a chance to look into what I CAN do. It's simple enough to 
load the B09 routine into SLED in another window. Mark the block to be 
printed  and using CNTRL O, type /p and it prints only what was selected.
 What I feared was that I would have to delete all that I did not wish to 
print but, block marking works goodly.

 I did download, from RTSI, those two screen capture routines but, I haven't 
taken the time to get them onto a coco, yet.

 George 



From tony at tcapp.com  Fri Sep  5 10:04:10 2008
From: tony at tcapp.com (TC)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:04:10 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] MASTERING OS-9 On the Color Computer 3
Message-ID: <g9re8q+nbdq@eGroups.com>


Does anyone have the "MASTERING OS-9 On the Color Computer 3" disks in
dsk format? I have the PDF from RTRSI but noit the disls themseleve
s(unless they have been renamed to somethin not so 
obvious to me)

It's ok with Frank to upload them, or send them to me.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Frank Swygert <farna at att.net>
Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM
- Hide quoted text -
Subject: Re: MASTERING OS-9 On the Color Computer 3
To: 


Sure! If you find a set of the disks (I don't even remember if it was
one or two!) you have permission to upload them to the list archive
and RTSI or some other archive site. Just mention where to find the
book and that the discs are still covered under copyright. I do give
permission for them to be shared, just not to be sold or used in any
profit making way.




From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Sep  5 11:35:30 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:35:30 -0500
Subject: [Coco] High Color Display Mod for MM/1?
In-Reply-To: <00bf01c90f1f$f4335f20$0701a8c0@master>
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Bob Devries wrote:
> Joel,
> It's certainly an interesting prospect. As well as that, there's the
> so called VGA mode that the MM/1 is supposed to have, but no-one seems
> to have knowledge of.
>
I wonder what 'VGA mode' means in this context?  Are we talking about
screen/color resolution, sync rates, or both?  Many of the MM/1's
graphics modes are comparable to those of the original VGA adapters,
though they're not exactly the same, and I attribute that to having to
sync at NTSC( and/or PAL?) rates.  I do also seem to recall that the
MM/1 was supposed to be able to drive a monitor at VGA sync rates. 
Maybe this is what you mean, and maybe that would also allow it to
generate screen resolutions that are really commensurate with VGA on a PC.

As far as I can tell, the MM/1 produces the sync signals internally from
some division of its clock.  If that's correct, it seems likely that
that can be altered under software control, though there may not be any
provision in K-Windows to do so.  Just looking quickly through the VSC
databook, I don't see any obvious way to change the horizontal retrace
from 15KHz to the 35 that a VGA monitor would need, but I may have
missed something.

>From a slightly different angle, I'm not sure what there is to prevent
one from running one of the higher resolution modes in 8 bits per
pixel.  IIUC, the only real limitation there is the amount of RAM
addressable by the VSC, which is 1M, but I could be wrong about that. 
On a 1M system, all available memory must be shared between video, OS,
data, and applications.  On a system with 3M+, I would think that the
entire 1M on the CPU board should be available for video memory, unless
there is some other need for that memory that I'm not aware of.

Running the VSC in 8-bit mode at 768x480 (interlaced, overscan) should
consume less than half the 1M (368640 bytes).  Or are we running up
against memory bus bandwidth limitations here?  Again, K-Windows doesn't
support this mode (maybe in part because it would use too much memory in
a 1M system?).
> It would be good to collect data sheets of all the major chips in the
> MM/1 and upload them to maltedmedia. I have a PDF file of the
> SCC66470B which I can upload.
>
Here's a link from where I think you can get to datasheets for both the
BT478 and the BT481.

JCE
> It could also be advantageous to upload the disk images of the
> original distribution disks.
>
> My own MM/1 is a CPU board with an IO board mounted on a non-active
> backplane (no memory provision), and I have the MIDI paddle board.
>
> -- 
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Ewy" <jcewy at swbell.net>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:58 PM
> Subject: [Coco] High Color Display Mod for MM/1?
>
>
>> Ok, you've all gotten me thinking about the MM/1 again.  I've long
>> wanted to experiment with restuffing all, or more likely only part of
>> the palette registers on the MM/1 to get more colors per line, like
>> what's already been done for high color displays on the CoCo.  So I
>> needed to know the address of the RAMDAC.  I was looking at the
>> schematics Bob uploaded instead of falling asleep, and then got curious
>> and went searching for a datasheet for the Brooktree BT478.  Before I
>> found it, I came across a datasheet for the Brooktree BT481, which
>> appears to be an updated, pin-compatible replacement for a number of
>> RAMDAC parts, including the BT478.  What intrigues me about this chip is
>> that it has high-color and true-color modes where it latches serial
>> bytes to feed the video DACs directly, bypassing the palette.  There is
>> one 15-bit (5-5-5) mode that looks particularly promising.
>>
>> Now the problem with this is that, at the very least, the horizontal
>> resolution would be halved.  So the interlaced overscan 384x480 8-bit
>> mode would become a rather odd 192x480 15-bit color mode.  Would it be
>> worth doing?  I don't know.  Probably not, but it's certainly
>> interesting to think about, and I'm definitely going to keep my eyes
>> open when I next look through my boxes of old video cards to see if
>> there's a BT481 out there that can be liberated from a socket or gently
>> heat-gunned off its board.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> JCE
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Sep  5 11:38:26 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:38:26 -0500
Subject: [Coco] High Color Display Mod for MM/1?
In-Reply-To: <48C151C2.30404@swbell.net>
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Joel Ewy wrote:
> ...
> As far as I can tell, the MM/1 produces the sync signals internally from
> some division of its clock.  ...
>   
This should read: 

As far as I can tell, the VSC produces the sync signals internally from
some division of its clock.  ...

JCE




From shadow at shadowgard.com  Fri Sep  5 03:29:32 2008
From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:29:32 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans
In-Reply-To: <g9p4nt+hrge@eGroups.com>
References: <015701c8ff11$50d82a90$0101a8c0@NewBaby>, <g9p4nt+hrge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <48C07D6C.21888.1B9C7B6E@shadow.shadowgard.com>

On 4 Sep 2008 at 17:09, snhirsch5 wrote:

> --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at ...>
> wrote:
> 
> > You can also upload them to rapidshare.de and post the links. I
> don't think 
> > anyone will go to Germany either, for no money, and you can post up
> to 300 
> > Mb files there, 100 Mb on rapidshare.com.
> 
> If anyone has a reliable method for downloading a batch of files from
> RapidShare, would they please post the solution?
> 
> None of the usual things, e.g. 'Down Them All' under Firefox, will
> work. I splurged on a Premium account, but even after logging in it
> only pulls down a short html file for each target instead of getting
> the actual file.  

With a premium account, you configure your settings *at rapidshare* 
to just start downloading when you click on the url.


--
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com




From tlindner at macmess.org  Fri Sep  5 13:39:52 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:39:52 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
Message-ID: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>

With the withdrawal of the Rainbow on Disc project, I determined we
needed a more distributed process of digitizing magazines.

So I built a community digitization project web site:

http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml

Note, when I say digitizing I do not mean just scanning. I mean
computer automated text conversion with the help of human volunteers.

The site is running off a server attached to my home DSL. It has low
bandwidth, so image loading is slow. I hope not too slow, but we'll
find out.

All the features are implemented, but let's consider this a beta until
further notice.

I welcome any and all feedback.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org


From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Sep  5 16:07:50 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:07:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C19196.5000008@swbell.net>

tim lindner wrote:
> With the withdrawal of the Rainbow on Disc project, I determined we
> needed a more distributed process of digitizing magazines.
>
> So I built a community digitization project web site:
>
> http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml
>
> Note, when I say digitizing I do not mean just scanning. I mean
> computer automated text conversion with the help of human volunteers.
>
> The site is running off a server attached to my home DSL. It has low
> bandwidth, so image loading is slow. I hope not too slow, but we'll
> find out.
>
> All the features are implemented, but let's consider this a beta until
> further notice.
>
> I welcome any and all feedback.
>
>   
This is very cool and makes it very easy to contribute  I urge everyone
reading this list to consider pitching in.

A couple questions. 
First, I have noticed that sometimes the heading for the instructions
for a task doesn't match the description of the task.
"
Check Ads
Show all pages in issue

Please double check the green boxed filler on this page. Fix any
mistakes. There will be no green boxes if there ar no blocks of filler.

Click "Submit Information" when finished. Click "Whole Page" if entire
page is filler.
"

So which is it?  Am I supposed to box the ads or the filler?

I'd also like to know more about the software you are using, and I
suspect others on this list would be interested as well.  There is
obviously some behind-the-scenes OCR going on.  Is this tesseract? 
GOCR?  Is this an existing software suite for collaboratively digitizing
printed content, or something you've put together from existing
components?  In any case, it's pretty cool, and looks like a good way to
archive this material.  Are there other CoCo-realated publications that
we have permission to scan?

JCE



From tlindner at macmess.org  Fri Sep  5 16:28:49 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:28:49 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <48C19196.5000008@swbell.net>
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
	<48C19196.5000008@swbell.net>
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On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:
> This is very cool and makes it very easy to contribute  I urge everyone
> reading this list to consider pitching in.
>
> A couple questions.
> First, I have noticed that sometimes the heading for the instructions
> for a task doesn't match the description of the task.
> "
> Check Ads
> Show all pages in issue
>
> Please double check the green boxed filler on this page. Fix any
> mistakes. There will be no green boxes if there ar no blocks of filler.
>
> Click "Submit Information" when finished. Click "Whole Page" if entire
> page is filler.
> "
>
> So which is it?  Am I supposed to box the ads or the filler?

I had some "check ad" type on a "check filler" task. It's fixed now.

> I'd also like to know more about the software you are using, and I
> suspect others on this list would be interested as well.  There is
> obviously some behind-the-scenes OCR going on.  Is this tesseract?

I chose tesseract (from Google code)  because it was the first I found
and if worked well. It doesn't like the article title font Dennis used
on the table of contents of the first two issues of Under Color. But
he switched to a Helvetica variant on the third issue.

I am not married to tesseract.

> GOCR?  Is this an existing software suite for collaboratively digitizing
> printed content, or something you've put together from existing
> components?

Its tesseract for OCR, ImageMagic for image manipulation and my own
Perl to bind it all together. Plus some JavaScript I wrote running in
the browser for the boxing.

> In any case, it's pretty cool, and looks like a good way to
> archive this material.

Thanks!

> Are there other CoCo-realated publications that
> we have permission to scan?

I think *The Color Computer Magazine* is also freely distributable,
But I don't have scans of thoes.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:36:11 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:36:11 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004201c90f9f$6c2dd710$0701a8c0@master>

Tim,
could you please check and double check spelling and grammar on your 
website. I'm sure most of the errors are typos, but in this age of word 
processors with built-in spelling checkers, there's really no excuse for 
this.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tim lindner" <tlindner at macmess.org>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 3:39 AM
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines


> With the withdrawal of the Rainbow on Disc project, I determined we
> needed a more distributed process of digitizing magazines.
>
> So I built a community digitization project web site:
>
> http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml
>
> Note, when I say digitizing I do not mean just scanning. I mean
> computer automated text conversion with the help of human volunteers.
>
> The site is running off a server attached to my home DSL. It has low
> bandwidth, so image loading is slow. I hope not too slow, but we'll
> find out.
>
> All the features are implemented, but let's consider this a beta until
> further notice.
>
> I welcome any and all feedback.
>
> -- 
> tim lindner
> tlindner at macmess.org
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Fri Sep  5 17:43:50 2008
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:43:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <6c92f46c0809011018u6d30896fq472e29f11f8d3b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6c92f46c0809011018u6d30896fq472e29f11f8d3b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F62E0EC3-B9EC-408C-9301-D60276440E07@earthlink.net>

Jim, I have noticed that a number of your posts end up in my junk  
mailbox on Earthlink.  Not all, but enough to make me wonder if there  
is something in it that triggers the spam-blocker.  The source for  
this particular message has it handed off several times from google.com.

But -- and here is the stranger part of it all -- a number of  
George's posts to the list have ended up in the garbage pail, too.

I find that it pays to look over the junk bucket once a day to see  
what might be there in error.  That is where I found your post.

On Sep 1, 2008, at Monday, September 1, 2008 - 1:18 PM, Jim Cox wrote:

> I've been sending email to George Ramsower but I have not received a
> reply.  George, if you get this please contact me privately.  Thanks!
>
> -Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:44:43 2008
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:44:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans
In-Reply-To: <48C07D6C.21888.1B9C7B6E@shadow.shadowgard.com>
References: <015701c8ff11$50d82a90$0101a8c0@NewBaby>, <g9p4nt+hrge@eGroups.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809051743520.7338@duo>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, shadow at shadowgard.com wrote:

> On 4 Sep 2008 at 17:09, snhirsch5 wrote:
>
>> --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at ...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can also upload them to rapidshare.de and post the links. I
>> don't think
>>> anyone will go to Germany either, for no money, and you can post up
>> to 300
>>> Mb files there, 100 Mb on rapidshare.com.
>>
>> If anyone has a reliable method for downloading a batch of files from
>> RapidShare, would they please post the solution?
>>
>> None of the usual things, e.g. 'Down Them All' under Firefox, will
>> work. I splurged on a Premium account, but even after logging in it
>> only pulls down a short html file for each target instead of getting
>> the actual file.
>
> With a premium account, you configure your settings *at rapidshare*
> to just start downloading when you click on the url.

How???  I see nothing resembling a "User Control Panel" or preferences.

Steve


-- 


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:52:08 2008
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:52:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809051743520.7338@duo>
References: <015701c8ff11$50d82a90$0101a8c0@NewBaby>, <g9p4nt+hrge@eGroups.com>
	<48C07D6C.21888.1B9C7B6E@shadow.shadowgard.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.00.0809051743520.7338@duo>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809051749480.7338@duo>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Steven Hirsch wrote:

>>> If anyone has a reliable method for downloading a batch of files from
>>> RapidShare, would they please post the solution?
>>> 
>>> None of the usual things, e.g. 'Down Them All' under Firefox, will
>>> work. I splurged on a Premium account, but even after logging in it
>>> only pulls down a short html file for each target instead of getting
>>> the actual file.
>> 
>> With a premium account, you configure your settings *at rapidshare*
>> to just start downloading when you click on the url.
>
> How???  I see nothing resembling a "User Control Panel" or preferences.

<sigh> Solved the problem!  Here's what screwed me up:  The only way I 
ever received credentials from them was by going to the link collection 
and selecting Premium Login.  For some reason, I either didn't get (or 
more likely was simply not seeing) the user settings.

So, yes, after a week's frustration I'm able to batch download using 
Firefox + Down Them All.

I amaze myself sometimes.

Thanks to all that put up with my pleas for help!

Steve


-- 


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Fri Sep  5 18:46:35 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:46:35 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <004201c90f9f$6c2dd710$0701a8c0@master>
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
	<004201c90f9f$6c2dd710$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <1220654795.29172.91.camel@dev>

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 07:36 +1000, Bob Devries wrote:
> Tim,
> could you please check and double check spelling and grammar on your 
> website. I'm sure most of the errors are typos, but in this age of word 
> processors with built-in spelling checkers, there's really no excuse for 
> this.
> 

Oh my.  May I point out from _your_ website, right in the middle of the
page:

"I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted the call
by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
still go to heaven."

Glass houses, Bob, glass houses.  Are you going to tell me that yours is
a well-constructed sentence, clear in meaning and perfect of grammar?

> --
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
> 
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.

This really isn't the place for proselytism, but since you wear your
religion on your sleeve and like to shove it in our faces, like most
Christians do, on every post, I guess the door is open to explore your
religious beliefs.  Is Jesus anal about grammar?  Did you feel
compelled, as the Lord's spokesman, to criticize Tim about his grammar,
in a PUBLIC forum?

Matthew 6:5: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
They have their reward."

Do you understand his point?  Don't blab about your piety and then act
contrary to the teachings of your Lord -- demonstrate your commitment to
Christ by keeping your mouth shut and following his example.  You
whack-job Christians are all hypocrites, certainly the least Christ-like
among us.
  
Tim, thank you for your contributions -- trust me, no one cares about
your grammar or spelling when you devote your free time to helping the
community.  Bob, get your ignorant, judgmental head out of your ass.

Kill the unborn, recruit young people to be homosexuals and worship
Satan, that's what I always say, 
C.





From devries.bob at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 19:28:39 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:28:39 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com><004201c90f9f$6c2dd710$0701a8c0@master>
	<1220654795.29172.91.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <005901c90faf$22e70a30$0701a8c0@master>

Chuck,
please remember that I use Australian English. This being the case, my 
spelling and grammar will be different from yours. However, there were no 
spelling errors in the sentence you quoted. You may think the grammar is 
obtuse(?), but that's the way I speak my version of English.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Youse" <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines


> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 07:36 +1000, Bob Devries wrote:
>> Tim,
>> could you please check and double check spelling and grammar on your
>> website. I'm sure most of the errors are typos, but in this age of word
>> processors with built-in spelling checkers, there's really no excuse for
>> this.
>>
>
> Oh my.  May I point out from _your_ website, right in the middle of the
> page:
>
> "I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted the call
> by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
> still go to heaven."
>
> Glass houses, Bob, glass houses.  Are you going to tell me that yours is
> a well-constructed sentence, clear in meaning and perfect of grammar?
>
>> --
>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>
> This really isn't the place for proselytism, but since you wear your
> religion on your sleeve and like to shove it in our faces, like most
> Christians do, on every post, I guess the door is open to explore your
> religious beliefs.  Is Jesus anal about grammar?  Did you feel
> compelled, as the Lord's spokesman, to criticize Tim about his grammar,
> in a PUBLIC forum?
>
> Matthew 6:5: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
> are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners
> of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
> They have their reward."
>
> Do you understand his point?  Don't blab about your piety and then act
> contrary to the teachings of your Lord -- demonstrate your commitment to
> Christ by keeping your mouth shut and following his example.  You
> whack-job Christians are all hypocrites, certainly the least Christ-like
> among us.
>
> Tim, thank you for your contributions -- trust me, no one cares about
> your grammar or spelling when you devote your free time to helping the
> community.  Bob, get your ignorant, judgmental head out of your ass.
>
> Kill the unborn, recruit young people to be homosexuals and worship
> Satan, that's what I always say,
> C.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From tlindner at macmess.org  Fri Sep  5 19:33:25 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:33:25 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
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I've taken the site down.

I think I have fixed most of the problems. It turned out I was writing
some temporary (and final) jpgs and txt files to directories that
didn't exist.

But now there seems to something really screwey with the JavaScript.
I'll work on it tonight, and post an update later.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Fri Sep  5 19:44:04 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:44:04 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
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On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 09:28 +1000, Bob Devries wrote:
> Chuck,
> please remember that I use Australian English. This being the case, my 
> spelling and grammar will be different from yours. However, there were no 
> spelling errors in the sentence you quoted. You may think the grammar is 
> obtuse(?), but that's the way I speak my version of English.

You can't hide behind that excuse; the grammar differences between the
various breeds of English is slight, and none of those differences
accounts for your misuse of dependent clauses.  Your sentence is
categorically grammatically incorrect.  Use "though" or "but" -- but not
both.

Not that I care ..

C.





From flexser at fiu.edu  Fri Sep  5 20:02:22 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] OT: Grammatical nitpicking (was: Help me digitize ...)
In-Reply-To: <005901c90faf$22e70a30$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

I'd say it ought to be, "I was once asked whether a person would still go to
heaven if he had accepted the call by Jesus to salvation but had never lived a
life that showed that."

Even in Australia.  (Other versions are of course possible.)

If you eliminate the phrases between the commas in the original, it would read,
"I was once asked whether a person who will still go to heaven," which is
obviously ungrammatical.

Art


Original version:

> "I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted the call
> by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
> still go to heaven."


On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, Bob Devries wrote:

> Chuck,
> please remember that I use Australian English. This being the case, my 
> spelling and grammar will be different from yours. However, there were no 
> spelling errors in the sentence you quoted. You may think the grammar is 
> obtuse(?), but that's the way I speak my version of English.
> 
> --
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
> 
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.
> 
> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Youse" <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
> 
> 
> > On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 07:36 +1000, Bob Devries wrote:
> >> Tim,
> >> could you please check and double check spelling and grammar on your
> >> website. I'm sure most of the errors are typos, but in this age of word
> >> processors with built-in spelling checkers, there's really no excuse for
> >> this.
> >>
> >
> > Oh my.  May I point out from _your_ website, right in the middle of the
> > page:
> >
> > "I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted the call
> > by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
> > still go to heaven."
> >
> > Glass houses, Bob, glass houses.  Are you going to tell me that yours is
> > a well-constructed sentence, clear in meaning and perfect of grammar?
> >
> >> --
> >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
> >>
> >> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> >> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> >> so that I know how to help the weary.
> >
> > This really isn't the place for proselytism, but since you wear your
> > religion on your sleeve and like to shove it in our faces, like most
> > Christians do, on every post, I guess the door is open to explore your
> > religious beliefs.  Is Jesus anal about grammar?  Did you feel
> > compelled, as the Lord's spokesman, to criticize Tim about his grammar,
> > in a PUBLIC forum?
> >
> > Matthew 6:5: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
> > are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners
> > of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
> > They have their reward."
> >
> > Do you understand his point?  Don't blab about your piety and then act
> > contrary to the teachings of your Lord -- demonstrate your commitment to
> > Christ by keeping your mouth shut and following his example.  You
> > whack-job Christians are all hypocrites, certainly the least Christ-like
> > among us.
> >
> > Tim, thank you for your contributions -- trust me, no one cares about
> > your grammar or spelling when you devote your free time to helping the
> > community.  Bob, get your ignorant, judgmental head out of your ass.
> >
> > Kill the unborn, recruit young people to be homosexuals and worship
> > Satan, that's what I always say,
> > C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Sep  5 20:22:25 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
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Dude. 

Ok.  Take a breath.

1.  I appreciate the work you have been doing in developing new hardware
for the CoCo and would really love to see the designs you are working on
come to fruition. 

2.  Bob Devries has also done quite a bit of good in this community and
on this list, including posting MM/1 schematics, as just one recent
example.  Whatever you may think of Bob's evangelical sig, I don't think
I have ever seen him criticize anyone on this list for their presumed or
stated beliefs, morals, or lack thereof.

3.  I agree that Bob's criticism of Tim's grammar could have been worded
a little more nicely, and I also thought it came across as a bit harsh. 
But your response to Bob was way over the top.

4.  "You whack-job Christians are all hypocrites, certainly the least
Christ-likeamong us."  If the implication is that all Christians are
"whack-jobs", that's a pretty ludicrous assertion, but I suppose you are
entitled to that opinion.  I'll certainly grant that many of those who
are most vocal and self-righteous about their christianity are
hypocritic, un-Christ-like, whack-jobs.  But I think you are assuming a
whole lot more about Bob's beliefs and attitudes towards other people
than you can reasonably deduce from his sig, however 'in-your-face' it
may seem.  You may be right, but I certainly don't think Bob's postings
to this list, including the one in question, reflect religious
intolerance on his part.  Hypocracy?  Very likely most Christians, from
Pentacostals to Mennonites to Eastern Orthodox must have a degree of
hypocracy.  But in fact, I doubt there is a person on the face of the
earth who always lives up to his or her own ideals. 

It seems to me that you may have a major beef with the self-appointed
'religious right'.  As a serious Christian, so do I.  When they try to
insist that everybody behave according to their simple-minded,
self-contradictory, literal understanding of the Bible, Fundamentalist
'Christians' give all of religion a bad name.  It's enough to make one
vote a straight Democratic ticket.  But reductionists and literalists of
any philosophical stripe have a serious problem.

While I don't proselytize or verbally advertise my religious beliefs, I
don't think that Bob's sig rises beyond the level of reasonable
self-expression, like wearing a T-shirt with a message printed on it. 
And it certainly has nothing to do with his critique of Tim's grammar. 
Could Bob have done without the "no excuse" crack?  Yes.  Was Bob trying
to force his religious views on anyone on the list?  No more so than
anyone wearing a "Coca Cola" shirt can be said to be trying to force you
to drink Coke.  You may or may not like it, but I don't think it's out
of bounds.

5.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, I applaud what Tim is doing, and
have spent more time this afternoon than I should have working on
magazine digitization tasks, and I've helped Tim find a couple of bugs. 
I for one do care about spelling and grammar, and would like to see it
fixed if I notice an error.  When Bob said there was "no excuse" for it,
I think he was going too far and perhaps coming off a bit rude.  But he
wasn't telling Tim to "get his head out of his ass".

Let's all take a breath and get back to the CoCo.

JCE

Chuck Youse wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 07:36 +1000, Bob Devries wrote:
>   
>> Tim,
>> could you please check and double check spelling and grammar on your 
>> website. I'm sure most of the errors are typos, but in this age of word 
>> processors with built-in spelling checkers, there's really no excuse for 
>> this.
>>
>>     
>
> Oh my.  May I point out from _your_ website, right in the middle of the
> page:
>
> "I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted the call
> by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
> still go to heaven."
>
> Glass houses, Bob, glass houses.  Are you going to tell me that yours is
> a well-constructed sentence, clear in meaning and perfect of grammar?
>
>   
>> --
>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>     
>
> This really isn't the place for proselytism, but since you wear your
> religion on your sleeve and like to shove it in our faces, like most
> Christians do, on every post, I guess the door is open to explore your
> religious beliefs.  Is Jesus anal about grammar?  Did you feel
> compelled, as the Lord's spokesman, to criticize Tim about his grammar,
> in a PUBLIC forum?
>
> Matthew 6:5: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
> are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners
> of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
> They have their reward."
>
> Do you understand his point?  Don't blab about your piety and then act
> contrary to the teachings of your Lord -- demonstrate your commitment to
> Christ by keeping your mouth shut and following his example.  You
> whack-job Christians are all hypocrites, certainly the least Christ-like
> among us.
>   
> Tim, thank you for your contributions -- trust me, no one cares about
> your grammar or spelling when you devote your free time to helping the
> community.  Bob, get your ignorant, judgmental head out of your ass.
>
> Kill the unborn, recruit young people to be homosexuals and worship
> Satan, that's what I always say, 
> C.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From jimhrubik at earthlink.net  Fri Sep  5 20:42:16 2008
From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:42:16 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: Grammatical nitpicking (was: Help me digitize ...)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
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Any bets on when Dennis will shut this thread down?

Thanks, Art.  I was going to say that the biggest problem with Bob's  
question was in misplaced commas and mixed tenses.  Casual spoken  
English frequently has such glitches that we all seem to live with  
and not normally hyperventilate over.  It looks like Bob's sig did  
exactly what it was intended to do -- it caused a certain self- 
examination.  The results of that self-examination were never in  
Bob's power and I think he would agree with me 100% on that.

Matt 5:11,12 Blessed are ye when men revile you, and persecute you,  
and say all manner of evil against you for my sake, falsely.  Rejoice  
and be glad, for great is your reward in heaven; for so persecuted  
they the Prophets which were before you.

Thank you, Joel (your reply came in while I was putting this  
together).  Bob and Tim have been on this list a long time and I have  
no doubts that Tim took Bob's post for what it was worth; an attempt  
to make a good thing better.

Chuckie, you just made the prayer list.

--Jim

================================================
|       Let mercy and compassion reach me,     |
|       For all my brethren sorely tried;      |
|       To love my foe, O Jesus teach me,      |
|       For Thou in love of such hast died.    |
|       Thy blood for sinners intercedes;      |
| "Free Grace, Free Grace for all!" it pleads. |
|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZH 220:6 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|
================================================


On Sep 5, 2008, at Friday, September 5, 2008 - 8:02 PM, Arthur  
Flexser wrote:

> I'd say it ought to be, "I was once asked whether a person would  
> still go to
> heaven if he had accepted the call by Jesus to salvation but had  
> never lived a
> life that showed that."
>
> Even in Australia.  (Other versions are of course possible.)
>
> If you eliminate the phrases between the commas in the original, it  
> would read,
> "I was once asked whether a person who will still go to heaven,"  
> which is
> obviously ungrammatical.
>
> Art
>
>
> Original version:
>
>> "I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted the  
>> call
>> by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
>> still go to heaven."
>
>
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, Bob Devries wrote:
>
>> Chuck,
>> please remember that I use Australian English. This being the  
>> case, my
>> spelling and grammar will be different from yours. However, there  
>> were no
>> spelling errors in the sentence you quoted. You may think the  
>> grammar is
>> obtuse(?), but that's the way I speak my version of English.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>
>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Youse" <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 07:36 +1000, Bob Devries wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>> could you please check and double check spelling and grammar on  
>>>> your
>>>> website. I'm sure most of the errors are typos, but in this age  
>>>> of word
>>>> processors with built-in spelling checkers, there's really no  
>>>> excuse for
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh my.  May I point out from _your_ website, right in the middle  
>>> of the
>>> page:
>>>
>>> "I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted  
>>> the call
>>> by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
>>> still go to heaven."
>>>
>>> Glass houses, Bob, glass houses.  Are you going to tell me that  
>>> yours is
>>> a well-constructed sentence, clear in meaning and perfect of  
>>> grammar?
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>>>
>>>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>>> the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>>> so that I know how to help the weary.
>>>
>>> This really isn't the place for proselytism, but since you wear your
>>> religion on your sleeve and like to shove it in our faces, like most
>>> Christians do, on every post, I guess the door is open to explore  
>>> your
>>> religious beliefs.  Is Jesus anal about grammar?  Did you feel
>>> compelled, as the Lord's spokesman, to criticize Tim about his  
>>> grammar,
>>> in a PUBLIC forum?
>>>
>>> Matthew 6:5: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the  
>>> hypocrites
>>> are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the  
>>> corners
>>> of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
>>> They have their reward."
>>>
>>> Do you understand his point?  Don't blab about your piety and  
>>> then act
>>> contrary to the teachings of your Lord -- demonstrate your  
>>> commitment to
>>> Christ by keeping your mouth shut and following his example.  You
>>> whack-job Christians are all hypocrites, certainly the least  
>>> Christ-like
>>> among us.
>>>
>>> Tim, thank you for your contributions -- trust me, no one cares  
>>> about
>>> your grammar or spelling when you devote your free time to  
>>> helping the
>>> community.  Bob, get your ignorant, judgmental head out of your ass.
>>>
>>> Kill the unborn, recruit young people to be homosexuals and worship
>>> Satan, that's what I always say,
>>> C.
>>>






From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com  Fri Sep  5 20:50:26 2008
From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:50:26 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: Grammatical nitpicking (was: Help me digitize  ...)
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At 08:42 PM 9/5/2008, you wrote:
>Any bets on when Dennis will shut this thread down?

Matthrew 5:37:
"But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is 
more than these cometh of evil."

Dennis






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From devries.bob at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 20:52:32 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:52:32 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
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Message-ID: <009f01c90fba$f8c16f50$0701a8c0@master>

My apologies if I came across a bit harshly. That was certainly not my 
intention.

--
Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia

Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tim lindner" <tlindner at macmess.org>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines


> I've taken the site down.
>
> I think I have fixed most of the problems. It turned out I was writing
> some temporary (and final) jpgs and txt files to directories that
> didn't exist.
>
> But now there seems to something really screwey with the JavaScript.
> I'll work on it tonight, and post an update later.
>
> -- 
> tim lindner
> tlindner at macmess.org
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Fri Sep  5 23:22:06 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:22:06 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Fun in Illinois
Message-ID: <20080905.222206.3140.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

Hello Coco Friends

I have stopped downloading coco magazines for a while and
got back in computer room for a while today.

I connected the coco things... I thought the MPI wasn't working.
Thank goodness everything is working.

Thanks Bob for the files you sent last week. I have been working
on getting files from my Win95 PC to the coco3. I have Cloud9
utility program to transfer files from PC to coco.
I have been downloading from the Internet with XP or Vista PC
and then copy the files to my external 3.5 in USB connected floppy
drive. My old Win 95 unit has a built in 3.5 in drive.

Beside learning how to get Internet files to the coco system, I want to
get Chromasette files to a coco floppy disk with Bob's utility file.

There is a lot of things to learn with the coco system. The Cloud9 Super
IDE
with two CF units is a great addition.

I want to thank all that help me with my coco adventures

John  
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 23:39:20 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:39:20 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: Gramical nitpiking >My CC3>CC4
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Notice I chipped into the Subject line? HeHe.

This little stuff really tickles me.

 A little nitpicking on grammar.........

[ If you're A.D.D. .... don't read] long post!

 Oh! It's so funny how commas can be a big deal when daily, we see things 
such as...

 "If I can't get this done, then I might loose my project"
 "I like this more then the other one.."
 "I like this alot. Because alot of the time I....."


Each of these three sentences would make little or no sense at all if, you 
didn't really know what they meant to say. .

 Loose and lose.... then and than.... look 'em up!.

 ALOT IS NOT A WORD!

Lately, it seems we don't have enough to do. When Americans aren't in a real 
war, they start fighting each other.

When a real war breaks out, everyone pulls together and stands together as a 
unit, fights together as a unit and prevails.

Americans have always worked this way. It's in our heritage and (I think) in 
our DNA!

Right now, we have a silent war going on in our community that few really 
understand. Without this understanding, we lose sight of what we really need 
to be focused on.......

-----------------------------------------------------

The Coco is dying. Someday, there won't be any left. I'll be emotionally 
crushed when this day comes.

Since the death of new Cocos from Tandy, folke have dreamed of a CC4. Some 
attempts have been made.. and failed eventually or have just been a 
flash-in-the-pan sort of thing such as add-ons.

This will always be the case, I believe. No one will gain wealth and fame 
for developing something for a coco or possibly, a NEW coco. They will 
probably break even, financially. However, we would NEVER lose with personal 
satisfaction.
 Personal Satisfaction can't be bought or traded. I don't need to explain 
that.


  I really do take great interest in the COCO RELATED subjects and contents 
of our messages.

  There's parts that I don't understand, at times. That's okay!
  Sometimes, it's even WAY off the topic of this list.

  Like I said Sunday, I can go back and check it out later.

-------------------------------------

 THE WAR!


 This war we have now is a war on preserving/continuing the coco.


 I think it's time for a new CC. I like my old CC3. Plenty of RAM, the OS is 
stable and I'm comfortable with it.
 I like OS-9 L2, my CC3 machines and the ease of interfacing to them.
 They are the neatest thing since sliced bread!

  Basic09 is the peanut butter and jelly to that bread.

 I can actually program them, build add-ons, do real-time tasks and operate 
real-world things with them.
 Chips are plentifull, pulled from other circuit boards. The rest will 
always be, such as capacitors, resistors and coils and .... and

 Anyway.

 A new coco would be nice. One that would EXACTLY emulate a CC3 with the 
exception of:

 The keyboard will have to be a modern keyboard. It's the easiest way.
 The video should be able to drive a modern monitor. Same graphics, same 
resolutions. Expanded capabilities, I suppose, would be nice too.

 The expansion port and the DIN devices should be the same. The only DIN 
plug I use is for the printer.

 OS-9 L2 and all the other software for the old coco should run just fine. 
This new coco should work exactly the same as the coco we are familiar with.
 The expansion port should work as did the original color computer. Use 
WaitStates if necessary.

 The only difference would be speed and whatever patches are necessary for 
RSBASIC and OS-9 L2 to operate as intended to work but, at a higher speed. 
Actually, the only thing I need RSBASIC for is to type DOS <enter>

Okay, Nitros9 also.

 I would be tickled pink to have a 20mhz CC3 that would use my existing 
hardware. I can easily get another keyboard and monitor. However, I cannot 
easily replace all the stuff that plugs into a coco and the software I've 
developed for it.
 My CNC stuff would work faster and better also!

 This is selfish of me, I know.

  I want MORE in a coco.

 More speed!

 Just simply.... more SPEED!

 George

 Now STOP picking on each other, already!



From rrivey at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 02:07:00 2008
From: rrivey at yahoo.com (Richard Ivey)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:07:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 63, Issue 11
Message-ID: <117163.27840.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob.. It wasn't your place to nit pick Chuck's site.  Even if you meant well, the tone was condenscending. 
Chuck.  His religious text is just a signature.  I'm pretty sure he doesn't type it every time.  No need to go into a tizzy.  

Too much turmoil on this list lately.  Geesh.. No wonder people are dropping off.  COME BACK HARWOOD!!

WWCCD?  What would COCO do?

Now, back to our regularly scheduled COCO'ing.



Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:46:35 -0400
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <1220654795.29172.91.camel at dev>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 07:36 +1000, Bob Devries wrote:
> Tim,
> could you please check and double check spelling and grammar on your 
> website. I'm sure most of the errors are typos, but in this age of word 
> processors with built-in spelling checkers, there's really no excuse for 
> this.
> 

Oh my.  May I point out from _your_ website, right in the middle of the
page:

"I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted the call
by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
still go to heaven."

Glass houses, Bob, glass houses.  Are you going to tell me that yours is
a well-constructed sentence, clear in meaning and perfect of grammar?

> --
> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
> 
> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> the capacity to be his spokesman,
> so that I know how to help the weary.

This really isn't the place for proselytism, but since you wear your
religion on your sleeve and like to shove it in our faces, like most
Christians do, on every post, I guess the door is open to explore your
religious beliefs.  Is Jesus anal about grammar?  Did you feel
compelled, as the Lord's spokesman, to criticize Tim about his grammar,
in a PUBLIC forum?

Matthew 6:5: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
They have their reward."

Do you understand his point?  Don't blab about your piety and then act
contrary to the teachings of your Lord -- demonstrate your commitment to
Christ by keeping your mouth shut and following his example.  You
whack-job Christians are all hypocrites, certainly the least Christ-like
among us.
  
Tim, thank you for your contributions -- trust me, no one cares about
your grammar or spelling when you devote your free time to helping the
community.  Bob, get your ignorant, judgmental head out of your ass.

Kill the unborn, recruit young people to be homosexuals and worship
Satan, that's what I always say, 
C.


      


From tlindner at macmess.org  Sat Sep  6 03:55:50 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:55:50 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1imtmhi.1elh0w01r2gzuzM%tlindner@macmess.org>

http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml

OK, I've banged on it way more this time.

It's let's give this a go!

Beta 2 anyone?

All the spelling and grammer mistakes are still in there, I'll get to
them later. :)

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From tonym at compusource.net  Sat Sep  6 04:02:55 2008
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:02:55 GMT
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
Message-ID: <200809060402135.SM07912@[63.69.23.239]>

>-----Original Message-----
>From: tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org
>Sent 9/6/2008 3:55:50 AM
>To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
>Subject: Re: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
>
>http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml
>
>OK, I've banged on it way more this time.
>
>It's let's give this a go!
>
>Beta 2 anyone?
>
>All the spelling and grammer mistakes are still in there, I'll get to
>them later. :)
>
>

I think people need to get a grip.
Bob, I'm not gonna say TOO much, but it was a bit petty...

I mean, Tim is going out of his way to do something for us, and give up bandwidth, etc...
And to criticize the spelling on a website is just a bit much...

If I had a dollar for every word I saw incorrect on websites, I would've retired 10 years ago.

Anyways, not trying to come down on you, because you, as well, have done things for the
CoCo community, but it was a bit petty.



Tony

From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 04:26:50 2008
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Grammar & Religion <OT>
In-Reply-To: <mailman.58.1220659345.94426.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <816579.63092.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ok, now I deleted the whole newsletter... let me address a few things so we all can get back on topic and not have another meltdown and flame-war.
?
First... Religion: It really doesn't matter your faith IN THAT you always practice it in public and in private.
?Now a Christian needs to follow Christ's lead on things!!! (SADLY we do have those "Christians" who don't even try?to act the part, and "Christians" that act as if John 3:17 doesn't exist, let alone all the times the New Testament?shows?John 3:17 in action). 
?
Secondly... Grammar: I know we have different spellings in the states than the UK or Australia for words like color (colour) and sometimes pronunciation. I also know that certain words and gestures when you leave the states change meanings (eg. fag. In the states, it's seen as derogatory, in the UK I believe it can either refer to a cigarette or a bundle of sticks, in Australia, I'm not sure). As far as spelling, most web based mail and mail programs do have spell checking. It won't necessarily catch using a wrong word though.? Grammar is also complicated now by the shorthand and abbreviations that those of us who text message use when it slips into our normal messaging.
?
Ok, now that I have said all that, I'll get down off my pulpit and go hide in the back again. But seriously, I have not seen any "convert or die" messages show up here... which is good. I'll admit myself as being a Christian AND being a miserable example of it at times. Just don't let my failures dissuade you in your own faith and religious beliefs.
?
Now Really, let's just read through grammar and spelling errors, unless we can't follow the meaning of it at all. And also, not beat each other over the head on what we do or do not believe religiously speaking, as it does nobody any good, and just might even do damage. Civil is fine, but... sometimes we forget what is civil. It is NOT fun trying to read through dozens of messages of heated name calling, or worse.
?
<mumbling to self as I now actually get outta that pulpit>
?
... NOW?back to your regularly scheduled?CoCo List...
?
-Later!
?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting.
?


      


From os9dude at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 08:47:50 2008
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:47:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <1imtmhi.1elh0w01r2gzuzM%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
	<1imtmhi.1elh0w01r2gzuzM%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <5631e580809060547j1363f897w39dbdf803fd617c8@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent!. I tried my hand at a few tasks... it works like a charm as far
as I can tell from my end here. Will stop by and do some more as the days
pass - in return, something else about the CoCo is learned :-)

Thanks for the efforts Tim.



-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:55 AM, tim lindner <tlindner at macmess.org> wrote:

> http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml
>
> OK, I've banged on it way more this time.
>
> It's let's give this a go!
>
> Beta 2 anyone?
>
> All the spelling and grammer mistakes are still in there, I'll get to
> them later. :)
>
> --
> tim lindner
> tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright
>


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 09:12:24 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:12:24 +0000
Subject: [Coco] OT: Grammatical nitpicking (was: Help me digitize  ...)
Message-ID: <090620081312.20152.48C281B80003916600004EB822007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Possibly the most computer-oriented verse in the entire volume.  Pure binary.  Possibly my favorite aside from the two (unconnected and out of context, like in a Jack Chick tract) verses that were my usenet .sig almost 20 years ago when I was working for Unisys at the old Convergent Technologies campus in San Jose (where my single favorite Motorola-based computer was designed and built several years before I got there -- the AT&T Unix PC -- sorry kids, I love the Color Computer but I adore my 7300 and my 3B1, they're prettier):

|Ward Griffiths             [Judas] went and hanged himself.  Matt. 27:5
|                   Jesus said  ... Go, and do thou likewise.  Luke 10:37
|
|If my opinions had any effect on Unisys, I'd be paid more.

--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com>
> At 08:42 PM 9/5/2008, you wrote:
> >Any bets on when Dennis will shut this thread down?
> 
> Matthrew 5:37:
> "But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is 
> more than these cometh of evil."
> 
> Dennis



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 09:24:00 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:24:00 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
Message-ID: <090620081324.2491.48C284700000BCBE000009BB22007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Chuck, this is not the right venue to challenge Christians.  I am at least as atheist as you are and probably more so (because even if there is a G-D, I'm against it).  I withdrew after one criticism of the politics one thread developed (I'm more opposed to government than I am to religion, whatever the evils of each and they're normally joined at the hip) but this is the place to discuss the various versions of the Color Computer and some of its relatives like the MM/1 and other 68xx systems.  (Wish I could find a decent forum for 68xxx systems that weren't just into Ataris and Amigas and Macs and such crap, because I happen to be very fond of the TRS-80 Mod 16 and Tandy 6000 line).  My own .sigs normally are at least a bit obnoxious and often sacreligious or anarchist.  But Bob's I can deal with easily, it's an opinion I deal with every time I'm in contact with my blood family (which is admittedly as rarely as I can manage, there was a twenty-year gap once, but my current w
 ife in
sisted on meeting the gene pool I crawled out of [and has since regretted giving those idiots our phone number] -- she had spent hours on the phone with my second wife at the other edge of the continent, and we were introduced to each other by the first, just a couple of rivers from here [the Hackensack, the Hudson, the East]).  Real party animals (Republicans, Democrats, Communists, etc) don't have to put up with such abuse (well it feels like abuse when spouse and former spice are giggling over a third of a century of old news), they can beat their wives, but as an individualist anarchist whose first (and only important) commandment is the Zero Aggression Principle (google it) I can't use violence with ex- or current wives unless I am asked to and I'm not into that kind of action.

Bob is probably one of the ten best resources now available for Color Computer fans.  Don't mess with that.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 07:36 +1000, Bob Devries wrote:
> > Tim,
> > could you please check and double check spelling and grammar on your 
> > website. I'm sure most of the errors are typos, but in this age of word 
> > processors with built-in spelling checkers, there's really no excuse for 
> > this.
> > 
> 
> Oh my.  May I point out from _your_ website, right in the middle of the
> page:
> 
> "I was once asked whether a person who, though having accepted the call
> by Jesus to salvation, but never lives a life that shows that, will
> still go to heaven."
> 
> Glass houses, Bob, glass houses.  Are you going to tell me that yours is
> a well-constructed sentence, clear in meaning and perfect of grammar?
> 
> > --
> > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
> > 
> > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
> > the capacity to be his spokesman,
> > so that I know how to help the weary.
> 
> This really isn't the place for proselytism, but since you wear your
> religion on your sleeve and like to shove it in our faces, like most
> Christians do, on every post, I guess the door is open to explore your
> religious beliefs.  Is Jesus anal about grammar?  Did you feel
> compelled, as the Lord's spokesman, to criticize Tim about his grammar,
> in a PUBLIC forum?
> 
> Matthew 6:5: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
> are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners
> of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
> They have their reward."
> 
> Do you understand his point?  Don't blab about your piety and then act
> contrary to the teachings of your Lord -- demonstrate your commitment to
> Christ by keeping your mouth shut and following his example.  You
> whack-job Christians are all hypocrites, certainly the least Christ-like
> among us.
>   
> Tim, thank you for your contributions -- trust me, no one cares about
> your grammar or spelling when you devote your free time to helping the
> community.  Bob, get your ignorant, judgmental head out of your ass.
> 
> Kill the unborn, recruit young people to be homosexuals and worship
> Satan, that's what I always say, 
> C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 09:32:39 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <1imtmhi.1elh0w01r2gzuzM%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <970655.18584.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For some reason it loads much faster for me this time around.

I had grabbed some tasks and one of them was a article check which completed just fine but one was a task to check the ad on the page but there was no advertisment on the page so I did not know what to do with that.

I would encourage everyone to grab some tasks as they are quick and easy and very helpful in getting the web site growing. Almost like mini quests in a good RPG game :)



** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **


 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, tim lindner <tlindner at macmess.org> wrote:
From: tim lindner <tlindner at macmess.org>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:55 AM

http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml

OK, I've banged on it way more this time.

It's let's give this a go!

Beta 2 anyone?

All the spelling and grammer mistakes are still in there, I'll get to
them later. :)

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright

--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



      


From tlindner at macmess.org  Sat Sep  6 10:23:48 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:23:48 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <970655.18584.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1imu41e.119eu3gukg6skM%tlindner@macmess.org>

Derek <dml_68 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I had grabbed some tasks and one of them was a article check which
>completed just fine but one was a task to check the ad on the page but
>there was no advertisment on the page so I did not know what to do with
>that.
>

I will add this to the faq:

Check ad, what ad, I don't see an ad?

A previous user determined no ad was present on this page. You are given
the opprotunity to confirm this by clicking the "submit information".

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep  6 10:46:43 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:46:43 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <090620081324.2491.48C284700000BCBE000009BB22007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <090620081324.2491.48C284700000BCBE000009BB22007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1220712403.4946.34.camel@dev>

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 13:24 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> ( ... I happen to be very fond of the TRS-80 Mod 16 and Tandy 6000
> line).  

Join the club.  You're big on 68K-based Unix machines, huh? 3b1,
TRS-XENIX?

The problem with the Tandy 6000 is that it seems to be extraordinarily
rare, but I've been looking for one for years.

I often toy in my head with porting V7 (or even UniFLEX, close enough)
to the Coco 3 but it's an awful lot of work and probably wouldn't see
much of an audience.  But it would be cool.. I think it would run like
an champ.

C.




From jcewy at swbell.net  Sat Sep  6 11:43:55 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:43:55 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <1imtmhi.1elh0w01r2gzuzM%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <1imtmhi.1elh0w01r2gzuzM%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <48C2A53B.3010809@swbell.net>

tim lindner wrote:
> http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml
>
> OK, I've banged on it way more this time.
>
> It's let's give this a go!
>
> Beta 2 anyone?
>
> All the spelling and grammer mistakes are still in there, I'll get to
> them later. :)
>
>   
Ok, here's a semantic question about filler.  When there's a page that
has an article as well as a short continuation of a previous article in
a sidebar or a box in the corner, neither would be categorized as
filler, correct?  Just want to clarify.

JCE



From fwp at deepthought.com  Sat Sep  6 12:36:20 2008
From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:36:20 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: Grammatical nitpicking (was: Help me digitize  ...)
In-Reply-To: <090620081312.20152.48C281B80003916600004EB822007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <090620081312.20152.48C281B80003916600004EB822007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20080906163620.GG7962@warlock.deepthought.com>


One of the nice things about the 3B1 is that if your furnace goes out you can use it
as a space heater!! :-)


On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 01:12:24PM +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> Possibly the most computer-oriented verse in the entire volume.  Pure binary.  Possibly my favorite aside from the two (unconnected and out of context, like in a Jack Chick tract) verses that were my usenet .sig almost 20 years ago when I was working for Unisys at the old Convergent Technologies campus in San Jose (where my single favorite Motorola-based computer was designed and built several years before I got there -- the AT&T Unix PC -- sorry kids, I love the Color Computer but I adore my 7300 and my 3B1, they're prettier):
> 
> |Ward Griffiths             [Judas] went and hanged himself.  Matt. 27:5
> |                   Jesus said  ... Go, and do thou likewise.  Luke 10:37
> |
> |If my opinions had any effect on Unisys, I'd be paid more.
> 
> --
> Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net
> 
> "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com>
> > At 08:42 PM 9/5/2008, you wrote:
> > >Any bets on when Dennis will shut this thread down?
> > 
> > Matthrew 5:37:
> > "But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is 
> > more than these cometh of evil."
> > 
> > Dennis
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco


From tlindner at macmess.org  Sat Sep  6 12:28:25 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:28:25 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <48C2A53B.3010809@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <1imua7e.1qb1y68ivke42M%tlindner@macmess.org>

Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:

> Ok, here's a semantic question about filler.  When there's a page that
> has an article as well as a short continuation of a previous article in
> a sidebar or a box in the corner, neither would be categorized as
> filler, correct?  Just want to clarify.

Correct.

In the "Find article pages" task such a page would be added to both
articles.

Note to self:

When a "box article text" task is issued, I should mention which article
is being processed. So if there is more than one article on a page the
user can box the correct one.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From basilf at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  6 12:39:05 2008
From: basilf at shaw.ca (Basil V. Fitze)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:39:05 -0700
Subject: [Coco] This is a Coco place
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1220707961.75852.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.29.1220707961.75852.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48C2B229.2050605@shaw.ca>

Hello,

As a Coco fan going back decades now, why do we need to mention 
religion, there is a place for it and it is not here.
I am not a big fan of evangelical Christians, Islamics or any other 
hateful and controlling group.

Once we step over the invisible line we taint this site forever, unless 
god is the COCO shut up!!!

I am a Christian not a Christian COCO enthusiast so keep it in its 
proper place.

In a Christian chat room, Bible Study or church. If it continues I will 
leave the group not going to waste my time reading stupid banter.

Focus focus focus on the COCO!!!


Thank you



From tlindner at macmess.org  Sat Sep  6 13:06:21 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:06:21 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0809060844r2ecc503dr9a12b12215f7dad5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1imubyz.5eca0o1jk8dhpM%tlindner@macmess.org>

DarrenA said:

> I have another question Tim.
> 
> When article / filler text is formatted in multiple columns, should a
> separate box be placed on each column to guide the OCR process?  I ask
> this because I just got a task which asked me to check some OCR text.
> The scanned image showed two columns of text and each line of the
> OCR'd text combined the two columns. This would have been a lot of
> work to cleanup so I bypassed it.

Article text should be boxed by the column. If someone put's a box
encompasing two or more columns of article text, then that is a mistake.

For filler, 95% of the time they are just a single collumn. So I wrote
the system to only accept a single box for filler. We'll see if this
becomes a problem.

> Perhaps there should be an option to allow the scanned image to be
> broken down further. Another option could be to reject the OCR'd text
> completely and force the page to be placed back in the queue so that
> the Find Text tasks can be performed again.

I plan (pretty soon, in fact) to add a "Problem!" button to each page
where a user can tell me that something doesn't seems correct.

The task will be taken out of the queue and I'll be notified.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From tonym at compusource.net  Sat Sep  6 13:39:23 2008
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:39:23 GMT
Subject: [Coco] This is a Coco place
Message-ID: <200809061339995.SM06176@[63.69.23.239]>


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Basil V. Fitze basilf at shaw.ca
>Sent 9/6/2008 12:39:05 PM
>To: coco at maltedmedia.com
>Subject: [Coco] This is a Coco place
>
>
>Once we step over the invisible line we taint this site forever, unless 
>god is the COCO shut up!!!
>

Meh - somehow, I don't see you endearing yourself to listmembers, by telling them to "shut up"


Tony

From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 13:47:48 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo Archives Updates Question For List Readers
Message-ID: <591433.72245.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have been sharing my coco archives with the community here and I have another batch of magazine scans from the year 1984 ready to share. I have many more archive updates of magazine scans and software disk images to process and get uploaded but each update I have to send the link manually as I am currently posting to the list and asking people to e-mail me for the link because 1 or 2 people on the list get bent out of shape about this information being shared. After 50 or so e-mails for the 3 archives I have shared so far this process is getting tedious.

What I would like to do with future archive updates is post a link to a text file that has links to the downloads that way there is no direct links to the files themselves on the e-mail list and I am not having to send e-mail's manually.


I am working to get all this coco stuff saved and distributed online to everyone but at the same time I want to respect the wishes of the coco users on the e-mail list and also make it easy as possible on myself.

Is this solution acceptable to everyone? If there is any objections
then please let me know and I will keep doing it the way I have been
for now.

Thank you







      


From rbihler at msn.com  Sat Sep  6 14:41:23 2008
From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:41:23 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCo Archives Updates Question For List Readers
References: <591433.72245.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY118-DAV6578338CFAD7B7F327EC3AF5B0@phx.gbl>

Derek,

I want to say thank you for your efforts on this, you decide what is the 
easiest for you.  To be honest if I had to jump from site to site that would 
be just fine with me and I would have no room to complain. You have been 
generous to share this information the ball's in your court, I am greatful !

Ron Bihler


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek" <dml_68 at yahoo.com>
To: "CoCo List" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: [Coco] CoCo Archives Updates Question For List Readers


>I have been sharing my coco archives with the community here and I have 
>another batch of magazine scans from the year 1984 ready to share. I have 
>many more archive updates of magazine scans and software disk images to 
>process and get uploaded but each update I have to send the link manually 
>as I am currently posting to the list and asking people to e-mail me for 
>the link because 1 or 2 people on the list get bent out of shape about this 
>information being shared. After 50 or so e-mails for the 3 archives I have 
>shared so far this process is getting tedious.
>
> What I would like to do with future archive updates is post a link to a 
> text file that has links to the downloads that way there is no direct 
> links to the files themselves on the e-mail list and I am not having to 
> send e-mail's manually.
>
>
> I am working to get all this coco stuff saved and distributed online to 
> everyone but at the same time I want to respect the wishes of the coco 
> users on the e-mail list and also make it easy as possible on myself.
>
> Is this solution acceptable to everyone? If there is any objections
> then please let me know and I will keep doing it the way I have been
> for now.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 



From t.fadden at cox.net  Sat Sep  6 14:59:28 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:59:28 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CoCo Archives Updates Question For List Readers
In-Reply-To: <BAY118-DAV6578338CFAD7B7F327EC3AF5B0@phx.gbl>
References: <591433.72245.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY118-DAV6578338CFAD7B7F327EC3AF5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48C2D310.4080509@cox.net>

Could you please make cd's and ship them to me. Downloading is so tedious.

NO NO NO   Just kidding!  Ron hit the nail on the head.  Whatever is the 
best for you is great!

Thanks from me to,
Tim Fadden

Ron Bihler wrote:
> Derek,
>
> I want to say thank you for your efforts on this, you decide what is 
> the easiest for you.  To be honest if I had to jump from site to site 
> that would be just fine with me and I would have no room to complain. 
> You have been generous to share this information the ball's in your 
> court, I am greatful !
>
> Ron Bihler
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" <dml_68 at yahoo.com>
> To: "CoCo List" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:47 AM
> Subject: [Coco] CoCo Archives Updates Question For List Readers
>
>
>> I have been sharing my coco archives with the community here and I 
>> have another batch of magazine scans from the year 1984 ready to 
>> share. I have many more archive updates of magazine scans and 
>> software disk images to process and get uploaded but each update I 
>> have to send the link manually as I am currently posting to the list 
>> and asking people to e-mail me for the link because 1 or 2 people on 
>> the list get bent out of shape about this information being shared. 
>> After 50 or so e-mails for the 3 archives I have shared so far this 
>> process is getting tedious.
>>
>> What I would like to do with future archive updates is post a link to 
>> a text file that has links to the downloads that way there is no 
>> direct links to the files themselves on the e-mail list and I am not 
>> having to send e-mail's manually.
>>
>>
>> I am working to get all this coco stuff saved and distributed online 
>> to everyone but at the same time I want to respect the wishes of the 
>> coco users on the e-mail list and also make it easy as possible on 
>> myself.
>>
>> Is this solution acceptable to everyone? If there is any objections
>> then please let me know and I will keep doing it the way I have been
>> for now.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From benbleau at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 15:05:55 2008
From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:05:55 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo Archives Updates Question For List Readers
In-Reply-To: <591433.72245.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <591433.72245.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48C2D493.8000908@gmail.com>

What ever is the easiest for you Derek.  Thank you for you good work.

-Benoit


From farna at att.net  Sat Sep  6 15:17:44 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:17:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: Grammatical nitpicking
Message-ID: <48C2D758.20600@att.net>

Okay, enough of the nit-picking! I agree in principal with Bob -- it's 
not hard to at least run a spell checker over the text on a web site. An 
occasional misspelling or gramatical error doesn't detract from the 
site, but multiple obvious errors do. Rather than post such things in 
public, however, I suggest that you send the site owner a short message 
POLITELY telling them that they misspelled a few words or made such and 
such error and the site would look a lot more professional if corrected.

I edit a small magazine and have learned a lot! The best thing I ever 
did was take up a professional editor's offer (newspaper editor) to edit 
the first book I self-published (a 170+ page tome on old Ramblers). He 
simply asked for a copy he could mark up. He wrote me a nice cover 
letter with the book when he sent it back explaining the markings. He 
also stated that after the first chapter he stopped marking common 
errors because it was too much work! I wasn't embarrassed or anything at 
all. I learned a LOT from it though, and was a little embarrassed that I 
put something out that bad, though most errors were so common (misuse of 
commas, some words, other punctuation marks, etc.) that most people 
didn't notice -- but that pro editor sure did! He'd bought a copy, of 
course. He still praised the work, especially since at the time (1991) 
there was nothing like it on the market. He just stated it would be 
easier (for him) to read if there were fewer errors and it would look 
more professional if I either learned a bit more or employed an editor 
next time. I employed a spell check and grammar check program instead, 
but reading my marked up book several times through proved to be the 
best tool I had -- and I still have that marked up copy!!

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From snhirsch at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 15:18:37 2008
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:18:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo Archives Updates Question For List Readers
In-Reply-To: <591433.72245.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <591433.72245.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809061518180.7338@duo>

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, Derek wrote:

> I have been sharing my coco archives with the community here and I have 
> another batch of magazine scans from the year 1984 ready to share. I 
> have many more archive updates of magazine scans and software disk 
> images to process and get uploaded but each update I have to send the 
> link manually as I am currently posting to the list and asking people to 
> e-mail me for the link because 1 or 2 people on the list get bent out of 
> shape about this information being shared. After 50 or so e-mails for 
> the 3 archives I have shared so far this process is getting tedious.
>
> What I would like to do with future archive updates is post a link to a 
> text file that has links to the downloads that way there is no direct 
> links to the files themselves on the e-mail list and I am not having to 
> send e-mail's manually.

Whatever works for you!  Thanks for all the efforts.


-- 


From farna at att.net  Sat Sep  6 15:46:06 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:46:06 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: Grammatical nitpicking
Message-ID: <48C2DDFE.8090402@att.net>

Should have read more before replying!

Did anyone notice that the only thing Tim, the supposedly "wronged" 
party, had to say about it was:
"All the spelling and grammer mistakes are still in there, I'll get to 
them later."

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 18:29:27 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:29:27 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
Message-ID: <090620082229.23029.48C3044700058E89000059F522135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>




 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 13:24 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> > ( ... I happen to be very fond of the TRS-80 Mod 16 and Tandy 6000
> > line).  
> 
> Join the club.  You're big on 68K-based Unix machines, huh? 3b1,
> TRS-XENIX?
> 
> The problem with the Tandy 6000 is that it seems to be extraordinarily
> rare, but I've been looking for one for years.

Where are you located?  I've got contacts here and there that occasionally need to dispose of one and I hate to see them go to landfills, but I've already got more stuff than La Esposa is willing to tolerate and no room for another.  (If you're in the northeast, I can probably connect you to a guy with a couple of dozen and obviously a more tolerant wife).
 
> I often toy in my head with porting V7 (or even UniFLEX, close enough)
> to the Coco 3 but it's an awful lot of work and probably wouldn't see
> much of an audience.  But it would be cool.. I think it would run like
> an champ.
> 
> C.

At least as capable as the PDP-8 that V7 first ran on.  I got spoiled by the Unix toolkit early on (Xenix was released in January '83, but I got a head start because one of my customers was a beta test site), a year and a half before Tandy started shipping OS-9 Level 1 (and 8 months or so before they started delivering MS-DOS on the Tandy 2000), since I was doing tech support at an RSCC.  That's what caused me to actually read the L1 manuals, notice that some of the commands implied multi-user capability and so I set up a two-station OS-9 system in the classroom at the RSCC in Downtown L.A. that would have retailed (including special sale pricing and assuming you already owned two TV sets) $1,071.38 including CA sales tax with the Los Angeles regional surcharge.

Parts list:
(1) 64 k Color Computer (The CoCo 2) wasn't out yet
(1) Floppy Drive with controller
(1) 16k Color Computer
(1) CoCo serial cable, modified to be a null-modem
(1) Vidtex Rompak
(1) OS-9 package
(1) weird sense of humor attached to some geeking skills and a store manager that tolerated that sort of thing.

Yeah, the "terminal" only connected at 300 bps, and characters were dropped if you typed while the "server" was accessing the floppy drive.  It wasn't a production system, merely a "proof of concept" that the company ignored  (although a number of other RSCC instructors and CSRs adopted it).  (Yeah, we were in communication and had uucp set up on our "demo" Mod 16 Xenix systems long before Fort Worth told us how to).
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

Of course, another few kilobucks, and a much more functional system was available


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep  6 18:46:01 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:46:01 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <090620082229.23029.48C3044700058E89000059F522135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <090620082229.23029.48C3044700058E89000059F522135753330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1220741161.4946.58.camel@dev>

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 22:29 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:

> 
> Where are you located?  

New York City.  If you can hook me up with a Tandy 6000, I'll follow you
to the ends of the Earth .. ;)

> > I often toy in my head with porting V7 (or even UniFLEX, close enough)
> > to the Coco 3 but it's an awful lot of work and probably wouldn't see
> > much of an audience.  But it would be cool.. I think it would run like
> > an champ.
> > 
> > C.
> 
> At least as capable as the PDP-8 that V7 first ran on.  

Actually, V7 ran on the PDP-11s, but yeah, that was my thought.  I did
some benchmarking once against an 11/73 and decided it was about on-par
performance-wise with a 12MHz 80286.  In my mind that means a 2MHz 6809
(or better, 6309 native-mode) should at least be usable.

Too bad the Coco is so crippled in so many ways; e.g., the floppy
controller design (as you discuss in your OS-9 proof-of-concept).  BTW,
that must have been awfully fun, Radio Shack in those days.  These days
they're just another electronics retailer (I wandered into one around
the corner from me the other day looking for a serial cable.  The guy
had no idea was I was referring to.)

C.




From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 20:47:43 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:47:43 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
Message-ID: <090720080047.2088.48C324AE000D93D50000082822070208530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>




 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 22:29 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Where are you located?  
> 
> New York City.  If you can hook me up with a Tandy 6000, I'll follow you
> to the ends of the Earth .. ;)

I'm just a few miles away in Kearny NJ.  Lemme get in touch with Kelly and see what he might be willing to let go of.  Or I'll just give him your email address and you can negotiate yourselves.  (I thought I was a collector, going for one of each, but he went for all of the set (and in the process gathering a number of items I'd like but at my current pay can't afford the electricity to run)

> > > I often toy in my head with porting V7 (or even UniFLEX, close enough)
> > > to the Coco 3 but it's an awful lot of work and probably wouldn't see
> > > much of an audience.  But it would be cool.. I think it would run like
> > > an champ.
> > > 
> > > C.
> > 
> > At least as capable as the PDP-8 that V7 first ran on.  
> 
> Actually, V7 ran on the PDP-11s, but yeah, that was my thought.  I did
> some benchmarking once against an 11/73 and decided it was about on-par
> performance-wise with a 12MHz 80286.  In my mind that means a 2MHz 6809
> (or better, 6309 native-mode) should at least be usable.
> 
> Too bad the Coco is so crippled in so many ways; e.g., the floppy
> controller design (as you discuss in your OS-9 proof-of-concept).  BTW,
> that must have been awfully fun, Radio Shack in those days.  These days
> they're just another electronics retailer (I wandered into one around
> the corner from me the other day looking for a serial cable.  The guy
> had no idea was I was referring to.)

Yeah, I know.  "You've got questions, we've got blank stares."  It ain't like it was a quarter of a century ago.  Of course, back then a quarter of a century was most of my life-to-date, nowadays I can treat that span a little more casually (except for the odds of being around that much longer -- that's gone down and since I was a math major, statistics don't cause the results -- I want Gene Heskitt to live a hundred more years and I want to follow his example).  (I think Gene is as Wodehouse used in his golf stories, "The Oldest Member" around here).
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 21:03:04 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:03:04 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Tandy 6000 (Was: Help me digitize Color Computer
	Magazines)
References: <090620081324.2491.48C284700000BCBE000009BB22007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
	<1220712403.4946.34.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <FD0AF223A7DB48EFA2867A60669811DB@NewBaby>

I have three in my basement, along with external drives and a cartridge 
drive! I even have a full development system.

Are you on the mailing list?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tandy6000

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Youse" <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>

> Join the club.  You're big on 68K-based Unix machines, huh? 3b1,
> TRS-XENIX?
>
> The problem with the Tandy 6000 is that it seems to be extraordinarily
> rare, but I've been looking for one for years.
>
> I often toy in my head with porting V7 (or even UniFLEX, close enough)
> to the Coco 3 but it's an awful lot of work and probably wouldn't see
> much of an audience.  But it would be cool.. I think it would run like
> an champ.
>
> C.



From jcewy at swbell.net  Sat Sep  6 21:24:38 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:24:38 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C32D56.3090009@swbell.net>

I've uploaded the Ver. 3 I/O board schematics I have as PNG files, and
also the original Bill of Materials for the MM/1 as a PDF.

JCE

Joe F wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 anywhere?
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep  6 22:18:35 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:18:35 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Tandy 6000 (Was: Help me digitize Color
	Computer	Magazines)
In-Reply-To: <FD0AF223A7DB48EFA2867A60669811DB@NewBaby>
References: <090620081324.2491.48C284700000BCBE000009BB22007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
	<1220712403.4946.34.camel@dev>
	<FD0AF223A7DB48EFA2867A60669811DB@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <1220753915.4946.76.camel@dev>

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 18:03 -0700, Neil Morrison wrote:
> I have three in my basement, along with external drives and a cartridge 
> drive! I even have a full development system.
> 

Oh my.  I'm turning green with envy. 

> Are you on the mailing list?
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tandy6000

No.  Don't suppose there's a way to get on the list without signing up
with Yahoo?

C.





From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep  6 23:14:11 2008
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:14:11 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <48C32D56.3090009@swbell.net>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48C32D56.3090009@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <48C34703.2070301@embarqmail.com>

Joel Ewy wrote:
> I've uploaded the Ver. 3 I/O board schematics I have as PNG files, and
> also the original Bill of Materials for the MM/1 as a PDF.
> 
> JCE
> 
> Joe F wrote:
>> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 anywhere?
The AT306 came with a good schematics. If you can still find one.


From jcewy at swbell.net  Sat Sep  6 23:19:25 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:19:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <48C34703.2070301@embarqmail.com>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>	<48C32D56.3090009@swbell.net>
	<48C34703.2070301@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C3483D.7000004@swbell.net>

Dave Kelly wrote:
> Joel Ewy wrote:
>> I've uploaded the Ver. 3 I/O board schematics I have as PNG files, and
>> also the original Bill of Materials for the MM/1 as a PDF.
>>
>> JCE
>>
>> Joe F wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1
>>> anywhere?
> The AT306 came with a good schematics. If you can still find one.
>
Ooh.  I'd love to see those schematics.  (One of the computers too!  :-)

JCE
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 00:15:16 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:15:16 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Tandy 6000
References: <090620081324.2491.48C284700000BCBE000009BB22007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net><1220712403.4946.34.camel@dev><FD0AF223A7DB48EFA2867A60669811DB@NewBaby>
	<1220753915.4946.76.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <228798B4167E40E6A138FB3BDD980714@NewBaby>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Youse" <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>

>> Are you on the mailing list?
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tandy6000
>
> No.  Don't suppose there's a way to get on the list without signing up
> with Yahoo?

Sure. Just send an email to Tandy6000-subscribe at yahoogroups.com and you will 
sign up automatically at basic settings.

But Yahoo isn't a problem really.

Neil




From Gary.Becker at amd.com  Sun Sep  7 01:25:43 2008
From: Gary.Becker at amd.com (Becker, Gary)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:25:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo3FPGA
In-Reply-To: <20070706194803.70BDD7D150@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20070705181707.4C0BC7D153@qs281.pair.com>
	<20070704181636.4E2687D151@qs281.pair.com>
	<20070705181707.4C0BC7D153@qs281.pair.com>
	<3.0.6.32.20070705185339.017b7bf0@maltedmedia.com>
	<20070705232802.ACB067D150@qs281.pair.com>
	<004f01c7bf63$62b38c30$aab8b1d8@heart>
	<20070706194803.70BDD7D150@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <7D748C767B7FA541A8AC5504A4C89A2307DC9A54@SAUSEXMB2.amd.com>


Finally, I have finished the CoCo3FPGA version 1.0 project to my
satisfaction. I have placed the project results in a Yahoo Group

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoCo3FPGA/

Please understand that this project will continue to be a work in
progress, but I am happy with the current implementation. This release
includes these features.

	Up to 25 MHz 6809 software compatible CPU
	1 Meg of RAM
	VGA monitor with all known video modes that the CoCo3 supported
	PS/2 Keyboard that simulates the CoCo3 keyboard
	Special Disk BASIC ROM that reads disk images from a PC server
		at 115,200 baud (Serial Disk Drive)
	Full NitrOS-9 driver support for the Serial Disk Drive
	Joystick using PC joystick type gameport*
	Speaker / Headphone Jack for speaker*
	Multipak
		Slot 1		Deluxe RS-232 Pak*
		Slot 2		Firmware to load RAM with ROM image over
						Serial Disk drive
		Slot 3		ROM emulated in RAM (up to 256K ROM)
		Slot 4		Disk BASIC

* Requires special analog board

Please read the user guide posted at the group for detailed information.

Gary Becker




From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep  7 03:33:05 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:33:05 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Tandy 6000 (Was: Help me digitize Color Computer
	Magazines)
Message-ID: <090720080733.20317.48C383B100064B4B00004F5D22007601800B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Hell, Neil, I didn't even know that list existed.  I just read through the complete message base (didn't take long, although longer than the Tandy2000 message base -- we are fans of unpopular computers).  I note that Hex Star invaded a while back with far less response than he got here.  (Probably wouldn't know a T6k if one was dropped on his head).

--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
> I have three in my basement, along with external drives and a cartridge 
> drive! I even have a full development system.
> 
> Are you on the mailing list?
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tandy6000
> 
> Neil
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Youse" <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> 
> > Join the club.  You're big on 68K-based Unix machines, huh? 3b1,
> > TRS-XENIX?
> >
> > The problem with the Tandy 6000 is that it seems to be extraordinarily
> > rare, but I've been looking for one for years.
> >
> > I often toy in my head with porting V7 (or even UniFLEX, close enough)
> > to the Coco 3 but it's an awful lot of work and probably wouldn't see
> > much of an audience.  But it would be cool.. I think it would run like
> > an champ.
> >
> > C.
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep  7 04:32:15 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Tandy 6000 (Was: Help me digitize Color
	Computer	Magazines)
Message-ID: <090720080832.16156.48C3918F00015D5600003F1C22007601800B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

You can read it without joining, but to post messages or get replies you have to sign on.  Just like any other Yahoo list that doesn't have a cooperative echo like this one does.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 18:03 -0700, Neil Morrison wrote:
> > I have three in my basement, along with external drives and a cartridge 
> > drive! I even have a full development system.
> > 
> 
> Oh my.  I'm turning green with envy. 
> 
> > Are you on the mailing list?
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tandy6000
> 
> No.  Don't suppose there's a way to get on the list without signing up
> with Yahoo?
> 
> C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 10:18:20 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:18:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads
Message-ID: <393809.60388.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The 1984 Magazine Archive is up and ready for folks to download. You can find a link to the files inside a text file here : http://rapidshare.com/files/143359785/RBM1984.zip

More Magazine Scans and other cool Coco archives will be posted over the next few weeks. One change in this batch is that I have made it sow you can download each individual issue rather than all of them in one big batch.

The current archives are now at 9.8 Gigabytes and growing!


** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **


 


      


From jimcox at miba51.com  Sun Sep  7 10:49:16 2008
From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:49:16 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <F62E0EC3-B9EC-408C-9301-D60276440E07@earthlink.net>
References: <6c92f46c0809011018u6d30896fq472e29f11f8d3b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<F62E0EC3-B9EC-408C-9301-D60276440E07@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6c92f46c0809070749w63a14ba5he8458a795df29876@mail.gmail.com>

Hi James,

You may have just hit upon a problem I am having with my job search.  I am
having all email from my miba51.com domain forwarded to my Google account.
This is necessary due to the volume of email I am receiving.  I also send
email from the GMail account, and as you have noticed some spam filters are
considering this spam.

I one recruiter for Microsoft was unable to receive email from either
account, so I had to send them a resume from a Hotmail account.  This is
definitely complicating my job search.

To keep this email semi-on-topic, I wish I could find a job fixing older
computers because most of the electronic tech jobs in this area are gone,
and according to most recruiters I don't have enough experience for software
testing even though I did over 5 years testing at my last job.

Well, I turn 50 in a couple of days, so maybe I can get a "greeter" job some
place. :-P

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:43 PM, James Hrubik <jimhrubik at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Jim, I have noticed that a number of your posts end up in my junk mailbox
> on Earthlink.  Not all, but enough to make me wonder if there is something
> in it that triggers the spam-blocker.  The source for this particular
> message has it handed off several times from google.com.
>
> But -- and here is the stranger part of it all -- a number of George's
> posts to the list have ended up in the garbage pail, too.
>
> I find that it pays to look over the junk bucket once a day to see what
> might be there in error.  That is where I found your post.
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2008, at Monday, September 1, 2008 - 1:18 PM, Jim Cox wrote:
>
>  I've been sending email to George Ramsower but I have not received a
>> reply.  George, if you get this please contact me privately.  Thanks!
>>
>> -Jim Cox
>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From chazbeenhad at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  7 10:52:16 2008
From: chazbeenhad at hotmail.com (Charlie)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:52:16 -0400
Subject: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads
References: <393809.60388.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ga0pr5$uvg$1@ger.gmane.org>


"Derek" <dml_68 at yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:393809.60388.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com...
> The 1984 Magazine Archive is up and ready for folks to download. You can 
> find a link to the files inside a text file here : 
> http://rapidshare.com/files/143359785/RBM1984.zip
>
> More Magazine Scans and other cool Coco archives will be posted over the 
> next few weeks. One change in this batch is that I have made it sow you 
> can download each individual issue rather than all of them in one big 
> batch.
>
> The current archives are now at 9.8 Gigabytes and growing!

 Thanks it is good to see the mags available for download. It is about time. 
Really, I love the coco and all the people in the coco community who have 
helped me over the years. However, it seems to have turned in to a group 
that simply wants to show off how smart or better than others they are by 
bitching about copyrights and what is right or wrong.
 Its all bullshit and it needs to stop. People need to get over themselves 
and we need everything and anything that has to do with our coco uploaded or 
scanned for all coco users to enjoy. Again I'll point out that the Atari 
community, and yes the Atari stuff was ever more popular that the coco 
stuff, doesn't post 50 screens showing off their knowledge of copyright 
laws. They press upload and share and hack and redesign and all enjoys. They 
thrive and will for a very long time. Doesn't look like the coco community 
is going the same way.

Anyway about the mags: Seems like there needs to be an easier and smaller 
way to get them. 4 downloads of 100 megs each is a bit much, no?

Charlie





From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 11:24:06 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads
In-Reply-To: <ga0pr5$uvg$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <915464.8604.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As for the size of the files it is how I got them sent to me, they are good quality PDF's and well worth the storage space. At this point I am just happy to have them to share no matter what the size. 

If you want to take on converting them to a different more compressed format that would be great, the more options the better. Let us know when you will be converting and hosting them or I can host them if you want to get them too me off list.

Thank you for the comments, all opinions are welcome





** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **


 

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Charlie <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Charlie <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 7:52 AM

"Derek" <dml_68 at yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:393809.60388.qm at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com...
> The 1984 Magazine Archive is up and ready for folks to download. You can 
> find a link to the files inside a text file here : 
> http://rapidshare.com/files/143359785/RBM1984.zip
>
> More Magazine Scans and other cool Coco archives will be posted over the 
> next few weeks. One change in this batch is that I have made it sow you 
> can download each individual issue rather than all of them in one big 
> batch.
>
> The current archives are now at 9.8 Gigabytes and growing!

 Thanks it is good to see the mags available for download. It is about time. 
Really, I love the coco and all the people in the coco community who have 
helped me over the years. However, it seems to have turned in to a group 
that simply wants to show off how smart or better than others they are by 
bitching about copyrights and what is right or wrong.
 Its all bullshit and it needs to stop. People need to get over themselves 
and we need everything and anything that has to do with our coco uploaded or 
scanned for all coco users to enjoy. Again I'll point out that the Atari 
community, and yes the Atari stuff was ever more popular that the coco 
stuff, doesn't post 50 screens showing off their knowledge of copyright 
laws. They press upload and share and hack and redesign and all enjoys. They 
thrive and will for a very long time. Doesn't look like the coco community 
is going the same way.

Anyway about the mags: Seems like there needs to be an easier and smaller 
way to get them. 4 downloads of 100 megs each is a bit much, no?

Charlie




--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



      


From jcewy at swbell.net  Sun Sep  7 11:56:14 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:56:14 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo3FPGA
In-Reply-To: <7D748C767B7FA541A8AC5504A4C89A2307DC9A54@SAUSEXMB2.amd.com>
References: <20070705181707.4C0BC7D153@qs281.pair.com>	<20070704181636.4E2687D151@qs281.pair.com>	<20070705181707.4C0BC7D153@qs281.pair.com>	<3.0.6.32.20070705185339.017b7bf0@maltedmedia.com>	<20070705232802.ACB067D150@qs281.pair.com>	<004f01c7bf63$62b38c30$aab8b1d8@heart>	<20070706194803.70BDD7D150@qs281.pair.com>
	<7D748C767B7FA541A8AC5504A4C89A2307DC9A54@SAUSEXMB2.amd.com>
Message-ID: <48C3F99E.9040304@swbell.net>

Gary, this is very good news.

JCE

Becker, Gary wrote:
> Finally, I have finished the CoCo3FPGA version 1.0 project to my
> satisfaction. I have placed the project results in a Yahoo Group
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoCo3FPGA/
>
> Please understand that this project will continue to be a work in
> progress, but I am happy with the current implementation. This release
> includes these features.
>
> 	Up to 25 MHz 6809 software compatible CPU
> 	1 Meg of RAM
> 	VGA monitor with all known video modes that the CoCo3 supported
> 	PS/2 Keyboard that simulates the CoCo3 keyboard
> 	Special Disk BASIC ROM that reads disk images from a PC server
> 		at 115,200 baud (Serial Disk Drive)
> 	Full NitrOS-9 driver support for the Serial Disk Drive
> 	Joystick using PC joystick type gameport*
> 	Speaker / Headphone Jack for speaker*
> 	Multipak
> 		Slot 1		Deluxe RS-232 Pak*
> 		Slot 2		Firmware to load RAM with ROM image over
> 						Serial Disk drive
> 		Slot 3		ROM emulated in RAM (up to 256K ROM)
> 		Slot 4		Disk BASIC
>
> * Requires special analog board
>
> Please read the user guide posted at the group for detailed information.
>
> Gary Becker
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From jcewy at swbell.net  Sun Sep  7 13:12:56 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:12:56 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Faster CoCo for George... Was: Re: OT: Gramical nitpiking
 >My CC3>CC4
In-Reply-To: <004401c90fd2$263cfe10$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu><1D3B2567-9E02-4283-84C2-8C78C56D13E1@earthlink.net>	<200809060050.m860ocLX012901@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
	<004401c90fd2$263cfe10$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <48C40B98.3020607@swbell.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
> ...
> I would be tickled pink to have a 20mhz CC3 that would use my existing
> hardware. I can easily get another keyboard and monitor. However, I
> cannot easily replace all the stuff that plugs into a coco and the
> software I've developed for it.
> My CNC stuff would work faster and better also!
>
> This is selfish of me, I know.
>
>  I want MORE in a coco.
>
> More speed!
>
> Just simply.... more SPEED!
>

George, If you haven't already noticed Gary Becker's latest FPGA CoCo 3
announcement in this list, you might want to take a look.  It appears
after a first glance through the documentation that there is no CoCo
compatible hardware expansion bus implemented in this design, so hooking
your custom CNC motor controllers up to this beast may not be possible
without some further work.  But it does run at about 20MHz, and the
design is open.  So even if you don't feel like learning how to modify
the design to do what you want, hooking up real CoCo peripherals to the
FPGA board is likely to be something that many other users would want to
do, so it may well be something that others will work on for you.  It is
at exactly this point that James Jones will chime in and remind us that
many FPGAs don't play nice with 5V logic.  :)  So making a CoCo
expansion bus for this design may turn out to be non-trivial.  Still,
this is a major step in the right direction towards a faster and more
capable CoCo for the future.

JCE

> George
>
> ...
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Sun Sep  7 14:12:45 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:12:45 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
Message-ID: <20080907.131245.2904.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

Hello again

I will be willing to learn how to scan 68 Micro.
What is a good  scanning program that is under $100?
I have a flat bed scanner and Xp PC

John
____________________________________________________________
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From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sun Sep  7 14:51:06 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:51:06 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Faster CoCo for George... Was: Re: OT: Gramical
	nitpiking >My CC3>CC4
In-Reply-To: <48C40B98.3020607@swbell.net>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu><1D3B2567-9E02-4283-84C2-8C78C56D13E1@earthlink.net>	<200809060050.m860ocLX012901@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>
	<004401c90fd2$263cfe10$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48C40B98.3020607@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <2939B71E-CF30-44C3-854D-6799B96EC14F@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 7, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Joel Ewy wrote:
>  It is
> at exactly this point that James Jones will chime in and remind us  
> that
> many FPGAs don't play nice with 5V logic.  :)  So making a CoCo
> expansion bus for this design may turn out to be non-trivial.

That's why God invented the LVX and LVT logic families ..

C.



From RJRTTY at aol.com  Sun Sep  7 15:29:17 2008
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:29:17 EDT
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
Message-ID: <d50.3104abaf.35f5858d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:49:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jimcox at miba51.com writes:


Well, I turn 50 in a couple of days, so maybe I can get a "greeter"  job some
place. :-P

-Jim Cox



Join the club Jim.   I turned the big five oh on Aug 1.....
 
Now if I can just find a nursing home that will tolerate my coco
hobby I will have it made..... :)
 
 
Like the Rolling Stones' song goes "what a drag it is getting old".
 
Roy
 



**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, 
plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.      
(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)


From t.fadden at cox.net  Sun Sep  7 15:29:44 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:29:44 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Faster CoCo for George... Was: Re: OT: Gramical
 nitpiking >My CC3>CC4
In-Reply-To: <48C40B98.3020607@swbell.net>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu><1D3B2567-9E02-4283-84C2-8C78C56D13E1@earthlink.net>	<200809060050.m860ocLX012901@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>	<004401c90fd2$263cfe10$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48C40B98.3020607@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <48C42BA8.6050804@cox.net>

I am no electronic engineer by any stretch of the imagination, but would 
opto-isolators/couplers work for the FPGA/coco-perf's connections? It 
would make it electrically isolated from each other for sure. I don't 
have a clue how it would be done, but I do know they work. :-)

Tim Fadden

Joel Ewy wrote:
> George Ramsower wrote:
>   
>> ...
>> I would be tickled pink to have a 20mhz CC3 that would use my existing
>> hardware. I can easily get another keyboard and monitor. However, I
>> cannot easily replace all the stuff that plugs into a coco and the
>> software I've developed for it.
>> My CNC stuff would work faster and better also!
>>
>> This is selfish of me, I know.
>>
>>  I want MORE in a coco.
>>
>> More speed!
>>
>> Just simply.... more SPEED!
>>
>>     
>
> George, If you haven't already noticed Gary Becker's latest FPGA CoCo 3
> announcement in this list, you might want to take a look.  It appears
> after a first glance through the documentation that there is no CoCo
> compatible hardware expansion bus implemented in this design, so hooking
> your custom CNC motor controllers up to this beast may not be possible
> without some further work.  But it does run at about 20MHz, and the
> design is open.  So even if you don't feel like learning how to modify
> the design to do what you want, hooking up real CoCo peripherals to the
> FPGA board is likely to be something that many other users would want to
> do, so it may well be something that others will work on for you.  It is
> at exactly this point that James Jones will chime in and remind us that
> many FPGAs don't play nice with 5V logic.  :)  So making a CoCo
> expansion bus for this design may turn out to be non-trivial.  Still,
> this is a major step in the right direction towards a faster and more
> capable CoCo for the future.
>
> JCE
>
>   
>> George
>>
>> ...
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>     
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From t.fadden at cox.net  Sun Sep  7 15:34:54 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:34:54 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <20080907.131245.2904.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
References: <20080907.131245.2904.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
Message-ID: <48C42CDE.1070200@cox.net>

Did you just get the scanner or what?  Can you scan stuff now?  If you 
go the the web page of the scanner manufacture, you should be able to 
download scan software for it for free.  Not with all the bells and 
whistles, but good enough for this. Or do you need something to convert 
your scans to a single pdf?  If that is the case download OpenOffice  
its free.  Just create a document from all of the scans from one issue, 
and then save it as a pdf.

My opinion is 300dpi color is the best.  Lots of different opinions 
here, but I like the quality, and if its worth doing, do it right.


John T Chasteen wrote:
> Hello again
>
> I will be willing to learn how to scan 68 Micro.
> What is a good  scanning program that is under $100?
> I have a flat bed scanner and Xp PC
>
> John
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click here for a free directory of employee development and training solutions.
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From t.fadden at cox.net  Sun Sep  7 15:36:42 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:36:42 -0700
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <d50.3104abaf.35f5858d@aol.com>
References: <d50.3104abaf.35f5858d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48C42D4A.6030407@cox.net>

Hey! I resemble that comment!    Be nice! ha ha ha

Tim Fadden 57 and wishing I was fishing.

RJRTTY at aol.com wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:49:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> jimcox at miba51.com writes:
>
>
> Well, I turn 50 in a couple of days, so maybe I can get a "greeter"  job some
> place. :-P
>
> -Jim Cox
>
>
>
> Join the club Jim.   I turned the big five oh on Aug 1.....
>  
> Now if I can just find a nursing home that will tolerate my coco
> hobby I will have it made..... :)
>  
>  
> Like the Rolling Stones' song goes "what a drag it is getting old".
>  
> Roy
>  
>
>
>
> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, 
> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.      
> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>
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>   



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sun Sep  7 15:42:54 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:42:54 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Faster CoCo for George... Was: Re: OT: Gramical
	nitpiking >My CC3>CC4
In-Reply-To: <48C42BA8.6050804@cox.net>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu><1D3B2567-9E02-4283-84C2-8C78C56D13E1@earthlink.net>	<200809060050.m860ocLX012901@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net>	<004401c90fd2$263cfe10$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48C40B98.3020607@swbell.net> <48C42BA8.6050804@cox.net>
Message-ID: <57A77118-ADF7-4424-92D6-FF8432AFB782@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 7, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Tim Fadden wrote:

> I am no electronic engineer by any stretch of the imagination, but  
> would opto-isolators/couplers work for the FPGA/coco-perf's  
> connections? It would make it electrically isolated from each other  
> for sure. I don't have a clue how it would be done, but I do know  
> they work. :-)
>
> Tim Fadden
>

Good thinking, but not an appropriate solution.  Optical  coupling is  
generally used to isolate electro-mechanical devices from the rest of  
a system -- this is because of the high-voltage/high-current  
transients that coils tend to generate which will fry digital  
components.

In this case, it's a simple CMOS -> TTL level translation that's  
required.  In the case of outputs from the FPGA (assuming 3.3V IO  
pads, which is generally the norm), they can drive TTL logic  
directly, though you have to watch the fan-out.  It's the inputs that  
matter, as CMOS inputs have higher Vih requirements (usually 0.7VCC,  
which is much higher than TTL's 2.0V) and they can't stomach more  
than about 3.6V without getting angry.

74LVT or 74LVX -- I forget which family exactly -- fit this bill  
perfectly.

C.



From jimcox at miba51.com  Sun Sep  7 16:08:56 2008
From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:08:56 -0700
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <d50.3104abaf.35f5858d@aol.com>
References: <d50.3104abaf.35f5858d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6c92f46c0809071308y552c0f79v335d3deea8680a02@mail.gmail.com>

Roy,

Every now and then this idea pops in the back of my head about starting a
Geek-Community some where out in the desert where all us old (and older :)
geeks can go and just be geeks.

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM, <RJRTTY at aol.com> wrote:

>
> In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:49:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jimcox at miba51.com writes:
>
>
> Well, I turn 50 in a couple of days, so maybe I can get a "greeter"  job
> some
> place. :-P
>
> -Jim Cox
>
>
>
> Join the club Jim.   I turned the big five oh on Aug 1.....
>
> Now if I can just find a nursing home that will tolerate my coco
> hobby I will have it made..... :)
>
>
> Like the Rolling Stones' song goes "what a drag it is getting old".
>
> Roy
>
>
>
>
> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 18:46:00 2008
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:46:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
Message-ID: <930788.19804.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter."
Bob
(http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1630032&displaytype=linkview&lastnode_id=1630032)



----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Cox <jimcox at miba51.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 3:08:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower

Roy,

Every now and then this idea pops in the back of my head about starting a
Geek-Community some where out in the desert where all us old (and older :)
geeks can go and just be geeks.

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM, <RJRTTY at aol.com> wrote:

>
> In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:49:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jimcox at miba51.com writes:
>
>
> Well, I turn 50 in a couple of days, so maybe I can get a "greeter"? job
> some
> place. :-P
>
> -Jim Cox
>
>
>
> Join the club Jim.? I turned the big five oh on Aug 1.....
>
> Now if I can just find a nursing home that will tolerate my coco
> hobby I will have it made..... :)
>
>
> Like the Rolling Stones' song goes "what a drag it is getting old".
>
> Roy
>
>
>
>
> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>

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From davehazelton at comcast.net  Sun Sep  7 20:09:48 2008
From: davehazelton at comcast.net (David Hazelton)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <48C34703.2070301@embarqmail.com>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>	<48C32D56.3090009@swbell.net>
	<48C34703.2070301@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C46D4C.2020409@comcast.net>

Dave Kelly wrote:
> Joel Ewy wrote:
>> I've uploaded the Ver. 3 I/O board schematics I have as PNG files, and
>> also the original Bill of Materials for the MM/1 as a PDF.
>>
>> JCE
>>
>> Joe F wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if there are schematics and rom dumps of the MM/1 
>>> anywhere?
> The AT306 came with a good schematics. If you can still find one.
>
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>
>
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>
>   
I'll look for my documentation on the AT306  later tonight, If I find it 
I'll try to scan it in the week.

~David Hazelton




From jimcox at miba51.com  Sun Sep  7 20:32:52 2008
From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:32:52 -0700
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <930788.19804.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <930788.19804.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6c92f46c0809071732j4ab4091fid74fc8277ebb075d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey!  If I ever win the Mega-Millions Lottery, Geekville, WA. will become a
reality.  It will be located in Eastern Washington near Hanford (look it up,
Mr. Burns would approve ;-)

Maybe I could get some senior Microsoft types to invest in Geekville.
Imagine, a town full of geek just waiting for something to do.

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:46 PM, theother_bob <theother_bob at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your
> newsletter."
> Bob
> (
> http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1630032&displaytype=linkview&lastnode_id=1630032
> )
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jim Cox <jimcox at miba51.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 3:08:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
>
> Roy,
>
> Every now and then this idea pops in the back of my head about starting a
> Geek-Community some where out in the desert where all us old (and older :)
> geeks can go and just be geeks.
>
> -Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM, <RJRTTY at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:49:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > jimcox at miba51.com writes:
> >
> >
> > Well, I turn 50 in a couple of days, so maybe I can get a "greeter"  job
> > some
> > place. :-P
> >
> > -Jim Cox
> >
> >
> >
> > Join the club Jim.  I turned the big five oh on Aug 1.....
> >
> > Now if I can just find a nursing home that will tolerate my coco
> > hobby I will have it made..... :)
> >
> >
> > Like the Rolling Stones' song goes "what a drag it is getting old".
> >
> > Roy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion
> blog,
> > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
> > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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From sklammer at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 22:08:14 2008
From: sklammer at gmail.com (Shain Klammer)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:08:14 -0400
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <6c92f46c0809071732j4ab4091fid74fc8277ebb075d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <930788.19804.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6c92f46c0809071732j4ab4091fid74fc8277ebb075d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3925f0b0809071908i3ff4a85co1720fe5c0d46a93@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds eerily like the 'sci-fi' show "Eureka"...

sk

2008/9/7 Jim Cox <jimcox at miba51.com>

> Hey!  If I ever win the Mega-Millions Lottery, Geekville, WA. will become a
> reality.  It will be located in Eastern Washington near Hanford (look it
> up,
> Mr. Burns would approve ;-)
>
> Maybe I could get some senior Microsoft types to invest in Geekville.
> Imagine, a town full of geek just waiting for something to do.
>
> -Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:46 PM, theother_bob <theother_bob at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your
> > newsletter."
> > Bob
> > (
> >
> http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1630032&displaytype=linkview&lastnode_id=1630032
> > )
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Jim Cox <jimcox at miba51.com>
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 3:08:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
> >
> > Roy,
> >
> > Every now and then this idea pops in the back of my head about starting a
> > Geek-Community some where out in the desert where all us old (and older
> :)
> > geeks can go and just be geeks.
> >
> > -Jim Cox
> > http://miba51.blogspot.com/
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM, <RJRTTY at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:49:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > jimcox at miba51.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I turn 50 in a couple of days, so maybe I can get a "greeter"
>  job
> > > some
> > > place. :-P
> > >
> > > -Jim Cox
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Join the club Jim.  I turned the big five oh on Aug 1.....
> > >
> > > Now if I can just find a nursing home that will tolerate my coco
> > > hobby I will have it made..... :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Like the Rolling Stones' song goes "what a drag it is getting old".
> > >
> > > Roy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion
> > blog,
> > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
> > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Coco mailing list
> > > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
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From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Mon Sep  8 00:24:10 2008
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:24:10 -0400
Subject: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads
In-Reply-To: <393809.60388.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <393809.60388.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c9116a$bdcf6120$396e2360$@com>

http://rapidshare.com/users/2UO9F

RBM Jan 1984 is missing part 4.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Derek
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: CoCo List
Subject: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads

The 1984 Magazine Archive is up and ready for folks to download. You can
find a link to the files inside a text file here :
http://rapidshare.com/files/143359785/RBM1984.zip

More Magazine Scans and other cool Coco archives will be posted over the
next few weeks. One change in this batch is that I have made it sow you can
download each individual issue rather than all of them in one big batch.

The current archives are now at 9.8 Gigabytes and growing!


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From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  8 00:54:57 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads
In-Reply-To: <000701c9116a$bdcf6120$396e2360$@com>
Message-ID: <194935.9451.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Part 4 is there. Look again. 

Consider yourself flamed for messing up my attempt to keep the direct links off the e-mail list.



** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **


 

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Tom Seagrove <tjseagrove at writeme.com> wrote:
From: Tom Seagrove <tjseagrove at writeme.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads
To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 9:24 PM

http://rapidshare.com/users/2UO9F

RBM Jan 1984 is missing part 4.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Derek
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: CoCo List
Subject: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads

The 1984 Magazine Archive is up and ready for folks to download. You can
find a link to the files inside a text file here :
http://rapidshare.com/files/143359785/RBM1984.zip

More Magazine Scans and other cool Coco archives will be posted over the
next few weeks. One change in this batch is that I have made it sow you can
download each individual issue rather than all of them in one big batch.

The current archives are now at 9.8 Gigabytes and growing!


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From jimcox at miba51.com  Mon Sep  8 02:30:17 2008
From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:30:17 -0700
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <3925f0b0809071908i3ff4a85co1720fe5c0d46a93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <930788.19804.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6c92f46c0809071732j4ab4091fid74fc8277ebb075d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3925f0b0809071908i3ff4a85co1720fe5c0d46a93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c92f46c0809072330x169c3c7erb1689a0af2fb540f@mail.gmail.com>

But in this case the show would be called "Eur-geeka" :-)

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/


On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Shain Klammer <sklammer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds eerily like the 'sci-fi' show "Eureka"...
>
> sk
>
>


From petrander at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 03:30:12 2008
From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:30:12 +0200
Subject: [Coco] CoCo3FPGA
In-Reply-To: <7D748C767B7FA541A8AC5504A4C89A2307DC9A54@SAUSEXMB2.amd.com>
References: <20070704181636.4E2687D151@qs281.pair.com>
	<20070705181707.4C0BC7D153@qs281.pair.com>
	<3.0.6.32.20070705185339.017b7bf0@maltedmedia.com>
	<20070705232802.ACB067D150@qs281.pair.com>
	<004f01c7bf63$62b38c30$aab8b1d8@heart>
	<20070706194803.70BDD7D150@qs281.pair.com>
	<7D748C767B7FA541A8AC5504A4C89A2307DC9A54@SAUSEXMB2.amd.com>
Message-ID: <dcc956220809080030l5439d93eud90aac69d597619b@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you endlessly, Gary, for your efforts! This will keep the CoCo3
alive for a long time to come if not forever!

Fedor

2008/9/7 Becker, Gary <Gary.Becker at amd.com>:
>
> Finally, I have finished the CoCo3FPGA version 1.0 project to my
> satisfaction. I have placed the project results in a Yahoo Group
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoCo3FPGA/
>
> Please understand that this project will continue to be a work in
> progress, but I am happy with the current implementation. This release
> includes these features.
>
>        Up to 25 MHz 6809 software compatible CPU
>        1 Meg of RAM
>        VGA monitor with all known video modes that the CoCo3 supported
>        PS/2 Keyboard that simulates the CoCo3 keyboard
>        Special Disk BASIC ROM that reads disk images from a PC server
>                at 115,200 baud (Serial Disk Drive)
>        Full NitrOS-9 driver support for the Serial Disk Drive
>        Joystick using PC joystick type gameport*
>        Speaker / Headphone Jack for speaker*
>        Multipak
>                Slot 1          Deluxe RS-232 Pak*
>                Slot 2          Firmware to load RAM with ROM image over
>                                                Serial Disk drive
>                Slot 3          ROM emulated in RAM (up to 256K ROM)
>                Slot 4          Disk BASIC
>
> * Requires special analog board
>
> Please read the user guide posted at the group for detailed information.
>
> Gary Becker
>
>
>
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From rob.coco at zaphod.tzo.com  Mon Sep  8 07:43:33 2008
From: rob.coco at zaphod.tzo.com (Rob Rosenbrock)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:43:33 -0400
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
Message-ID: <y0ons80wt33v6y5.080920080741@zaphod.tzo.com>

Not You-Reek-Ah?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim Cox" <jimcox at miba51.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: 9/8/08 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower

But in this case the show would be called "Eur-geeka" :-)

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/


On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Shain Klammer <sklammer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds eerily like the 'sci-fi' show "Eureka"...
>
> sk
>
>

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From rod.barnhart at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 09:09:19 2008
From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:09:19 -0400
Subject: [Coco] This is a Coco place
In-Reply-To: <200809061339995.SM06176@63.69.23.239>
References: <200809061339995.SM06176@63.69.23.239>
Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0809080609o443081e9nd410ff66d07e4f83@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:39 PM, tonym <tonym at compusource.net> wrote:
> Meh - somehow, I don't see you endearing yourself to listmembers, by telling them to "shut up"

Doesn't make Basil's point any less valid ;) That point being, isn't
this a CoCo list?

Rod


From os9dude at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 10:02:46 2008
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:02:46 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Vintage Computer Festival East 5.0 - Sep 13/14
Message-ID: <5631e580809080702g49c4856an3075a069932e0429@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.vintage.org/2008/east/

It's on. Details on all at the website.

I will be attending the Saturday (September 13) sessions and stroll around
the exhibits after that, any CoCo fans attending from NYC or central NJ?.
Crossing from Staten Island over the Outerbridge into 440 into route 9 (GSP)
by the Amboys all the way down to Wall. Could accommodate a route over NYC
and the close to NYC NJ suburbs if any one else would like to hop on.


-=[ Rogelio ]=-


From jimcox at miba51.com  Mon Sep  8 11:32:58 2008
From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:32:58 -0700
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <y0ons80wt33v6y5.080920080741@zaphod.tzo.com>
References: <y0ons80wt33v6y5.080920080741@zaphod.tzo.com>
Message-ID: <6c92f46c0809080832i67e6d82cn5d2a7f1929596c3e@mail.gmail.com>

Nah!  There will be "hygienic facilities" suitable for even the most
challenged geek :-)

Do remember though that this more or less a retirement community for old
geeks, so there will be a certain amount of slack given.

Shuffleboard is out though, and will be replaced with computer games
(preferably on CoCos)

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Rob Rosenbrock <rob.coco at zaphod.tzo.com>wrote:

> Not You-Reek-Ah?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jim Cox" <jimcox at miba51.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: 9/8/08 2:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
>
> But in this case the show would be called "Eur-geeka" :-)
>
> -Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Shain Klammer <sklammer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds eerily like the 'sci-fi' show "Eureka"...
> >
> > sk
> >
> >
>
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:22:07 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:22:07 -0500
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
References: <y0ons80wt33v6y5.080920080741@zaphod.tzo.com>
	<6c92f46c0809080832i67e6d82cn5d2a7f1929596c3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c911f0$91267650$d4b1b1d8@house>

 Hmmm...

 Perhaps a special coco would be in order for the older enthusiasts. One 
that runs at 200khz so we could react quicly enough, and monitors large 
enough that we could see them.

George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cox" <jimcox at miba51.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower


> Nah!  There will be "hygienic facilities" suitable for even the most
> challenged geek :-)
>
> Do remember though that this more or less a retirement community for old
> geeks, so there will be a certain amount of slack given.
>
> Shuffleboard is out though, and will be replaced with computer games
> (preferably on CoCos)
>
> -Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Rob Rosenbrock 
> <rob.coco at zaphod.tzo.com>wrote:
>
>> Not You-Reek-Ah?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Jim Cox" <jimcox at miba51.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: 9/8/08 2:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
>>
>> But in this case the show would be called "Eur-geeka" :-)
>>
>> -Jim Cox
>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Shain Klammer <sklammer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Sounds eerily like the 'sci-fi' show "Eureka"...
>> >
>> > sk
>> >
>> >
>>
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:36:40 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:36:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Faster CoCo for George... Was: Re: OT: Gramical
	nitpiking >My CC3>CC4
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu><1D3B2567-9E02-4283-84C2-8C78C56D13E1@earthlink.net>	<200809060050.m860ocLX012901@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net><004401c90fd2$263cfe10$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48C40B98.3020607@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c911f2$997c0750$d4b1b1d8@house>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Ewy"
> George Ramsower wrote:
>> ...
>> I would be tickled pink to have a 20mhz CC3 that would use my existing
>> hardware. I can easily get another keyboard and monitor. However, I
>> cannot easily replace all the stuff that plugs into a coco and the
>> software I've developed for it.
>> My CNC stuff would work faster and better also!
>>
>> This is selfish of me, I know.
>>
>>  I want MORE in a coco.
>>
>> More speed!
>>
>> Just simply.... more SPEED!
>>
>
> George, If you haven't already noticed Gary Becker's latest FPGA CoCo 3
> announcement in this list, you might want to take a look.  It appears
> after a first glance through the documentation that there is no CoCo
> compatible hardware expansion bus implemented in this design, so hooking
> your custom CNC motor controllers up to this beast may not be possible
> without some further work.  But it does run at about 20MHz, and the
> design is open.  So even if you don't feel like learning how to modify
> the design to do what you want, hooking up real CoCo peripherals to the
> FPGA board is likely to be something that many other users would want to
> do, so it may well be something that others will work on for you.  It is
> at exactly this point that James Jones will chime in and remind us that
> many FPGAs don't play nice with 5V logic.  :)  So making a CoCo
> expansion bus for this design may turn out to be non-trivial.  Still,
> this is a major step in the right direction towards a faster and more
> capable CoCo for the future.
>

 Would this sort of thing require a "Wait State" for the slower peripherals 
such as floppy controllers, RS232 cards and the like? Even my CNC stuff 
would be too slow, I think. However, I bet there are faster 74xxx chips out 
there that could replace the ones I'm using in my I/O board that connects to 
just about everything I do on that coco. It's just an address decoder with 
four input buffer chips and four output latches. Lately I've been thinking 
of adding more because, I may need more as this project continues.
 As with any computer project, the need for speed, memory and more speed 
increases with progress.
 I'm thinking a binary up/down counter on the stepper motor drivers would 
give me a REAL indication of their positions and any errors in math that may 
put them in the wrong place can be corrected on the fly, giving more 
reliable accuracy over the long haul.
 Of course, this will require more coding, more CPU time and thusly 
requiring more speed. Ugh.

George



From tonym at compusource.net  Mon Sep  8 17:55:31 2008
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:55:31 GMT
Subject: [Coco] This is a Coco place
Message-ID: <200809081755526.SM03484@[63.69.23.239]>

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rod Barnhart rod.barnhart at gmail.com
>Sent 9/8/2008 9:09:19 AM
>To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
>Subject: Re: [Coco] This is a Coco place
>
>On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:39 PM, tonym tonym at compusource.net wrote:
> Meh - somehow, I don't see you endearing yourself to listmembers, by telling them to "shut up"
>
>Doesn't make Basil's point any less valid ;) That point being, isn't
>this a CoCo list?
>
>Rod
>

Unless you're just out for an afternoon troll, why would you bring something BACK up 2 days later, after
it was (thankfully) dead and buried?

Just
Let
It
Go


Tony

From jimcox at miba51.com  Mon Sep  8 20:18:58 2008
From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:18:58 -0700
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <003001c911f0$91267650$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <y0ons80wt33v6y5.080920080741@zaphod.tzo.com>
	<6c92f46c0809080832i67e6d82cn5d2a7f1929596c3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<003001c911f0$91267650$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <6c92f46c0809081718k7177cd82if3f46c1ef506e230@mail.gmail.com>

Come one George!  We're geeks!  We have the reflexes of a cheetah, and the
social graces of a rutting rhino!

A 20 MHz CoCo is more in order for us!

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/
http://cloudymidnights.blogspot.com/


On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM, George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hmmm...
>
> Perhaps a special coco would be in order for the older enthusiasts. One
> that runs at 200khz so we could react quicly enough, and monitors large
> enough that we could see them.
>
> George
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cox" <jimcox at miba51.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:32 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
>
>
>  Nah!  There will be "hygienic facilities" suitable for even the most
>> challenged geek :-)
>>
>> Do remember though that this more or less a retirement community for old
>> geeks, so there will be a certain amount of slack given.
>>
>> Shuffleboard is out though, and will be replaced with computer games
>> (preferably on CoCos)
>>
>> -Jim Cox
>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Rob Rosenbrock <rob.coco at zaphod.tzo.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Not You-Reek-Ah?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Jim Cox" <jimcox at miba51.com>
>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: 9/8/08 2:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
>>>
>>> But in this case the show would be called "Eur-geeka" :-)
>>>
>>> -Jim Cox
>>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Shain Klammer <sklammer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Sounds eerily like the 'sci-fi' show "Eureka"...
>>> >
>>> > sk
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
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From nutz4coco at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 20:27:50 2008
From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:27:50 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Who still uses a dot matrix printer with their CoCo
Message-ID: <889830d00809081727l7901f938tb056ff6be7ac2ae0@mail.gmail.com>

I am doing a lot of clearing out of stuff, since I am currently not working,
and I am wondering if I really need to keep the dot matrix printers I have
lying around.  To be honest, these things are older than some of the
co-workers I used to work with, and I have paper for the printers that
should spontaneously combust any day now.

So I thought I should ask the group, are these printers worth keeping or
should I get rid of them.  What is the justification in using them with the
CoCo if I have other computers that I can keep code examples on?  Any
thoughts?

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/
http://cloudymidnights.blogspot.com/


From nutz4coco at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 20:28:45 2008
From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:28:45 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Who still uses a dot matrix printer with their CoCo
In-Reply-To: <889830d00809081727l7901f938tb056ff6be7ac2ae0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <889830d00809081727l7901f938tb056ff6be7ac2ae0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <889830d00809081728l5fa4c947u55d9d05b7875ee9f@mail.gmail.com>

PS - I am using my alternate email address just for CoCo stuff so nothing
should get stuck in spam filters.

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/
http://cloudymidnights.blogspot.com/


On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Jim Cox <nutz4coco at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am doing a lot of clearing out of stuff, since I am currently not
> working, and I am wondering if I really need to keep the dot matrix printers
> I have lying around.  To be honest, these things are older than some of the
> co-workers I used to work with, and I have paper for the printers that
> should spontaneously combust any day now.
>
> So I thought I should ask the group, are these printers worth keeping or
> should I get rid of them.  What is the justification in using them with the
> CoCo if I have other computers that I can keep code examples on?  Any
> thoughts?
>
> -Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
> http://cloudymidnights.blogspot.com/
>


From jcewy at swbell.net  Mon Sep  8 20:29:28 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Faster CoCo for George... Was: Re: OT:
 Gramical	nitpiking >My CC3>CC4
In-Reply-To: <003b01c911f2$997c0750$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809051942580.17698-100000@solix.fiu.edu><1D3B2567-9E02-4283-84C2-8C78C56D13E1@earthlink.net>	<200809060050.m860ocLX012901@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net><004401c90fd2$263cfe10$d4b1b1d8@house>	<48C40B98.3020607@swbell.net>
	<003b01c911f2$997c0750$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <48C5C368.70903@swbell.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Ewy"
>> George Ramsower wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I would be tickled pink to have a 20mhz CC3 that would use my existing
>>> hardware. I can easily get another keyboard and monitor. However, I
>>> cannot easily replace all the stuff that plugs into a coco and the
>>> software I've developed for it.
>>> My CNC stuff would work faster and better also!
>>>
>>> This is selfish of me, I know.
>>>
>>>  I want MORE in a coco.
>>>
>>> More speed!
>>>
>>> Just simply.... more SPEED!
>>>
>>
>> George, If you haven't already noticed Gary Becker's latest FPGA CoCo 3
>> announcement in this list, you might want to take a look.  It appears
>> after a first glance through the documentation that there is no CoCo
>> compatible hardware expansion bus implemented in this design, so hooking
>> your custom CNC motor controllers up to this beast may not be possible
>> without some further work.  But it does run at about 20MHz, and the
>> design is open.  So even if you don't feel like learning how to modify
>> the design to do what you want, hooking up real CoCo peripherals to the
>> FPGA board is likely to be something that many other users would want to
>> do, so it may well be something that others will work on for you.  It is
>> at exactly this point that James Jones will chime in and remind us that
>> many FPGAs don't play nice with 5V logic.  :)  So making a CoCo
>> expansion bus for this design may turn out to be non-trivial.  Still,
>> this is a major step in the right direction towards a faster and more
>> capable CoCo for the future.
>>
>
> Would this sort of thing require a "Wait State" for the slower
> peripherals such as floppy controllers, RS232 cards and the like? 

Yeah.  I think that any CoCo compatible bus interface built for an FPGA
CoCo would have to have a 1-2MHz E clock.  But if you could use
interrupt-driven drivers your CPU could still be chugging away most of
the time and wouldn't have to wait too long too often for the slow
peripherals, at least under OS-9.

> Even my CNC stuff would be too slow, I think. However, I bet there are
> faster 74xxx chips out there that could replace the ones I'm using in
> my I/O board that connects to just about everything I do on that coco.
> It's just an address decoder with four input buffer chips and four
> output latches. Lately I've been thinking of adding more because, I
> may need more as this project continues.
> As with any computer project, the need for speed, memory and more
> speed increases with progress.
> I'm thinking a binary up/down counter on the stepper motor drivers
> would give me a REAL indication of their positions and any errors in
> math that may put them in the wrong place can be corrected on the fly,
> giving more reliable accuracy over the long haul.
> Of course, this will require more coding, more CPU time and thusly
> requiring more speed. Ugh.
>
Another thought for you might be to try Sockmaster's "4MHz" upgrade.

JCE

> George
>
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 20:29:00 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:29:00 -0500
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
References: <y0ons80wt33v6y5.080920080741@zaphod.tzo.com><6c92f46c0809080832i67e6d82cn5d2a7f1929596c3e@mail.gmail.com><003001c911f0$91267650$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<6c92f46c0809081718k7177cd82if3f46c1ef506e230@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c91213$ce45f6a0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 I suppose this may be true. ....HAH!

 After all, we would be competing against each other(old farts), so the 
speed of the 'puter wouldn't matter.
 Slow is slow but even so, the computer will wait. No matter how fast the 
computer has to wait.
 I love faster computers. We can make more mistakes in less time, with 
faster computers.

Egroeg
George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cox"

> Come one George!  We're geeks!  We have the reflexes of a cheetah, and the
> social graces of a rutting rhino!
>
> A 20 MHz CoCo is more in order for us!
>
> -Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
> http://cloudymidnights.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM, George Ramsower 
> <georgeramsower at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hmmm...
>>
>> Perhaps a special coco would be in order for the older enthusiasts. One
>> that runs at 200khz so we could react quicly enough, and monitors large
>> enough that we could see them.
>>
>> George
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cox" <jimcox at miba51.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:32 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
>>
>>
>>  Nah!  There will be "hygienic facilities" suitable for even the most
>>> challenged geek :-)
>>>
>>> Do remember though that this more or less a retirement community for old
>>> geeks, so there will be a certain amount of slack given.
>>>
>>> Shuffleboard is out though, and will be replaced with computer games
>>> (preferably on CoCos)
>>>
>>> -Jim Cox
>>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Rob Rosenbrock <rob.coco at zaphod.tzo.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  Not You-Reek-Ah?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Jim Cox" <jimcox at miba51.com>
>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>> Sent: 9/8/08 2:30 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
>>>>
>>>> But in this case the show would be called "Eur-geeka" :-)
>>>>
>>>> -Jim Cox
>>>> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Shain Klammer <sklammer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Sounds eerily like the 'sci-fi' show "Eureka"...
>>>> >
>>>> > sk
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 21:06:04 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:06:04 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Who still uses a dot matrix printer with their CoCo
References: <889830d00809081727l7901f938tb056ff6be7ac2ae0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c91218$3c7845c0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 About two weeks ago(maybe three), I found and resurected an old dot matrix 
printer to use on my coco.
 For me, it is worth keeping as, the new ink jet printers can't be used on a 
coco.
 New dot matrix, impact printers are still available and probably will 
always be available for the reason of multi-part forms that requre carbon 
copies.
  I discovered that my old Okidata dot matrix printer is still supported in 
W-XP and I'm sure it would work fine.
  I haven't tried it on this XP box because it works fine on my coco.
 The Ink Jet printer on this XP box is okay.
 The dot matrix printer on my coco is the cat's meow!

 An impact printer is cheaper to operate!

 So, go figure the cost, vs: life span.

 An impact printer will last for many years. An Ink Jet printer will last 
for less time. I've gone through many ink jet printers and the impact 
printers just keep working.
 At work, they go through ink jet printers like water bottles in in the 
cooler. The impact printers just keep printing and printing and...

 Go figure.

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cox" <nutz4coco at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:27 PM
Subject: [Coco] Who still uses a dot matrix printer with their CoCo


>I am doing a lot of clearing out of stuff, since I am currently not 
>working,
> and I am wondering if I really need to keep the dot matrix printers I have
> lying around.  To be honest, these things are older than some of the
> co-workers I used to work with, and I have paper for the printers that
> should spontaneously combust any day now.
>
> So I thought I should ask the group, are these printers worth keeping or
> should I get rid of them.  What is the justification in using them with 
> the
> CoCo if I have other computers that I can keep code examples on?  Any
> thoughts?
>
> -Jim Cox
> http://miba51.blogspot.com/
> http://cloudymidnights.blogspot.com/
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Mon Sep  8 21:20:44 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:20:44 -0500
Subject: [Coco] 1984 Magazine Archive Downloads
Message-ID: <20080908.202044.5888.8.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

 
Thanks for 1984

JOHN


On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Derek <dml_68 at yahoo.com> writes:
> Part 4 is there. Look again. 
> 
> Consider yourself flamed for messing up my attempt to keep the 
> direct links off the e-mail list.
> 
> 
>
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From davehazelton at comcast.net  Mon Sep  8 22:20:26 2008
From: davehazelton at comcast.net (David Hazelton)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:20:26 -0400
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <48C46D4C.2020409@comcast.net>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>	<48C32D56.3090009@swbell.net>	<48C34703.2070301@embarqmail.com>
	<48C46D4C.2020409@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48C5DD6A.8000207@comcast.net>

First, I know I'm replying to myself.  I found the AT306 Manual and will 
start scanning it in as soon as I have time.  Along those lines, There 
was a programming manual that dealt with MGR, it's GUI.  MGR had a PD 
version which is what was on the AT306.  Unfortunately it was 
significantly  different than the commercial version which  was $$$, but 
had  actual software written for it.  MGR on  it was extremely slow also 
on the AT306.  ( Kinda wish  K-windows was ported )  I have that manual 
also and can scan that in too.

I used to work in a contract manufacturing facility, and one of the 
vendors gave me the  MC68306  User's Manual.   The MPU for the AT306. . 
I don't want to destroy this book to scan it in, so if  someone has an 
good idea on a effective way of copying it I might be tempted if anybody 
is interested.

or I might just scan in the introduction pages, so one can get a feel of 
what it is.
 


David Hazelton wrote:
> Dave Kelly wrote:
>> The AT306 came with a good schematics. If you can still find one.
>>
>> -- 
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>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
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>>
>>   
> I'll look for my documentation on the AT306  later tonight, If I find 
> it I'll try to scan it in the week.
>
> ~David Hazelton
>
>
>
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From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep  8 22:35:31 2008
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:35:31 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <48C5DD6A.8000207@comcast.net>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>	<48C32D56.3090009@swbell.net>	<48C34703.2070301@embarqmail.com>	<48C46D4C.2020409@comcast.net>
	<48C5DD6A.8000207@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48C5E0F3.4060706@embarqmail.com>

David Hazelton wrote:
> First, I know I'm replying to myself.  I found the AT306 Manual and will 
> start scanning it in as soon as I have time.  Along those lines, There 
> was a programming manual that dealt with MGR, it's GUI.  MGR had a PD 
> version which is what was on the AT306.  Unfortunately it was 
> significantly  different than the commercial version which  was $$$, but 
> had  actual software written for it.  MGR on  it was extremely slow also 
> on the AT306.  ( Kinda wish  K-windows was ported )  I have that manual 
> also and can scan that in too.
> 
> I used to work in a contract manufacturing facility, and one of the 
> vendors gave me the  MC68306  User's Manual.   The MPU for the AT306. . 
> I don't want to destroy this book to scan it in, so if  someone has an 
> good idea on a effective way of copying it I might be tempted if anybody 
> is interested.
> 
> or I might just scan in the introduction pages, so one can get a feel of 
> what it is.
I thought Kevin Darling was doing the port of Kwindows.

If Brother Jeremy reads the thread -- nudge nudge--can you shed some 
light on this?

PS
David......
My schematic manual came in loose leaf format. If yours does also it 
might be easier to go to a fax machine and then run thru a copier.


From jcewy at swbell.net  Tue Sep  9 09:50:32 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Coco] MM/1 info wanted
In-Reply-To: <48C5E0F3.4060706@embarqmail.com>
References: <4ceb32a20809041034s2001d8a6o4057fefe197b63c4@mail.gmail.com>	<48C32D56.3090009@swbell.net>	<48C34703.2070301@embarqmail.com>	<48C46D4C.2020409@comcast.net>	<48C5DD6A.8000207@comcast.net>
	<48C5E0F3.4060706@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C67F28.5030609@swbell.net>

Dave Kelly wrote:
> David Hazelton wrote:
>> First, I know I'm replying to myself.  I found the AT306 Manual and
>> will start scanning it in as soon as I have time.  Along those lines,
>> There was a programming manual that dealt with MGR, it's GUI.  MGR
>> had a PD version which is what was on the AT306.  Unfortunately it
>> was significantly  different than the commercial version which  was
>> $$$, but had  actual software written for it.  MGR on  it was
>> extremely slow also on the AT306.  ( Kinda wish  K-windows was ported
>> )  I have that manual also and can scan that in too.
>>
>> I used to work in a contract manufacturing facility, and one of the
>> vendors gave me the  MC68306  User's Manual.   The MPU for the AT306.
>> . I don't want to destroy this book to scan it in, so if  someone has
>> an good idea on a effective way of copying it I might be tempted if
>> anybody is interested.
>>
>> or I might just scan in the introduction pages, so one can get a feel
>> of what it is.
> I thought Kevin Darling was doing the port of Kwindows.
>

I also thought there was work at one time on a VGA port of Kwindows, but
I guess it never materialized.  Hmm.  I wish it could still be done...

JCE

> If Brother Jeremy reads the thread -- nudge nudge--can you shed some
> light on this?
>
> PS
> David......
> My schematic manual came in loose leaf format. If yours does also it
> might be easier to go to a fax machine and then run thru a copier.
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From jcewy at swbell.net  Tue Sep  9 10:55:10 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:55:10 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C68E4E.3050406@swbell.net>

So, should we fix errors in the original text, or make the OCR text
match what was printed.  I've been doing the latter.  But it's
interesting to learn that the CoCo's A/D converter circuit has seven
resistors and one CMOS butter.  So should the Next-Gen CoCo have a CMOS
whipping cream, or a 'yeah-butter'?

JCE



From tlindner at macmess.org  Tue Sep  9 11:11:42 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:11:42 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <48C68E4E.3050406@swbell.net>
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
	<48C68E4E.3050406@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <5b0704c10809090811p3d5e1417seb7bc09471678c0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:
> So, should we fix errors in the original text, or make the OCR text
> match what was printed.  I've been doing the latter.  But it's
> interesting to learn that the CoCo's A/D converter circuit has seven
> resistors and one CMOS butter.  So should the Next-Gen CoCo have a CMOS
> whipping cream, or a 'yeah-butter'?

I've seen these also.

Robert Gault asked about this earlier. I said to him I was leaning
toward reproducing the original article without alteration. Decreeing
that spelling and grammatical mistakes should be fixed would be a
little hyppotricital of me. *grin*

Factual errors seem to be a different matter. How about we add
something like: [Archivist's Note: Butter is delicious and all, but
has no place in a computer. -tjl]

Note, the square brackets and initials.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Sep  9 11:31:24 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:31:24 -0400
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <d50.3104abaf.35f5858d@aol.com>
References: <d50.3104abaf.35f5858d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200809091131.24995.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 07 September 2008, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:49:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>jimcox at miba51.com writes:
>
>
>Well, I turn 50 in a couple of days, so maybe I can get a "greeter"  job
> some place. :-P
>
>-Jim Cox
>
I haven't found one yet & I'm reaching for 74 in less than a month.  'course I 
haven't been looking very hard either. :)
[...]

>
>Like the Rolling Stones' song goes "what a drag it is getting old".
>
>Roy

You will find that you have many truly productive years ahead of you Roy.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Mason's First Law of Synergism:
	The one day you'd sell your soul for something, souls are a glut.


From os9dude at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 11:35:03 2008
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:35:03 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <5b0704c10809090811p3d5e1417seb7bc09471678c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b0704c10809051039y5325cc54v4d20f7030081bc13@mail.gmail.com>
	<48C68E4E.3050406@swbell.net>
	<5b0704c10809090811p3d5e1417seb7bc09471678c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580809090835sb4445d8ib2412a745c5c7ffa@mail.gmail.com>

Reminds me of the "style" in the books once sold thru Radio Shack on the
TRS-80 Models I & III.

A 'chapter quiz' question read: "RAM chips are..." and one of the responses
on the multiple choice was 'great with avocado dip'.

Made the reading fun.


-=[ R ]=-


On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:11 AM, tim lindner <tlindner at macmess.org> wrote:

>
> Factual errors seem to be a different matter. How about we add
> something like: [Archivist's Note: Butter is delicious and all, but
> has no place in a computer. -tjl]
>
> Note, the square brackets and initials.
>


From nutz4coco at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 17:49:55 2008
From: nutz4coco at gmail.com (Jim Cox)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:49:55 -0700
Subject: [Coco] getting old...was Trying to contact George Ramsower
In-Reply-To: <200809091131.24995.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <d50.3104abaf.35f5858d@aol.com>
	<200809091131.24995.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <889830d00809091449g52567ec4rf2a274c5e06be338@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Roy!  Gene is so right!  Today is my 50th, I am unemployed, yet I have a
really great outlook on the possibilities ahead for me.

I am going to take being laid off as a opportunity to grow and move into
something a lot more rewarding than what I have been doing lately.

One of the nice things about being 50 and over the hill is whenever some
punk in a hot car gets on my arse, I just go into "old man mode" and drive 2
to 5 miles under the speed limit. ;-)

Besides annoying other drivers one other thing I am doing now is simplifying
my life and getting rid of a bunch of stuff I don't need, so I can focus on
things that make me happy, like astronomy and my CoCo.

-Jim Cox
http://miba51.blogspot.com/
http://cloudymidnights.blogspot.com/


On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>wrote:

> >
> >Like the Rolling Stones' song goes "what a drag it is getting old".
> >
> >Roy
>
> You will find that you have many truly productive years ahead of you Roy.
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Mason's First Law of Synergism:
>        The one day you'd sell your soul for something, souls are a glut.
>
>


From operator at coco3.com  Tue Sep  9 21:18:25 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] return of the CoCo Cafe
Message-ID: <20080910011841.EDEF820A33@qs281.pair.com>

Back by popular demand, I've restored the original CoCo Cafe chat 
rooms at coco3.com.  A 1024 or greater wide screen is suggested, and 
almost all browsers are compatible.

You should still be able to enter chat then if you like, navigate 
elsewhere on the site while your chat session is retained for a while 
and when you return you'll see all new messages posted while you were 
gone.  I think the timeout is 10-15 minutes, give or take.

Enjoy, and please let me know of any problems.

Thanks
Roger Taylor



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Tue Sep  9 23:14:55 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:14:55 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
Message-ID: <091020080314.16365.48C73BAF000D79CF00003FED22007456720B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>



From: "tim lindner" <tlindner at macmess.org>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:
> > So, should we fix errors in the original text, or make the OCR text
> > match what was printed.  I've been doing the latter.  But it's
> > interesting to learn that the CoCo's A/D converter circuit has seven
> > resistors and one CMOS butter.  So should the Next-Gen CoCo have a CMOS
> > whipping cream, or a 'yeah-butter'?
> 
> I've seen these also.
> 
> Robert Gault asked about this earlier. I said to him I was leaning
> toward reproducing the original article without alteration. Decreeing
> that spelling and grammatical mistakes should be fixed would be a
> little hyppotricital of me. *grin*
> 
> Factual errors seem to be a different matter. How about we add
> something like: [Archivist's Note: Butter is delicious and all, but
> has no place in a computer. -tjl]

Hey, butter and cinnamon ( with a bit of nutmeg, salt and cayenne) creamed together work great when you're baking an Apple.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_



From tonym at compusource.net  Wed Sep 10 00:35:47 2008
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:35:47 GMT
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
Message-ID: <200809100035428.SM05032@[63.69.23.239]>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tim-G-Your-personal-IT-guy-for-a-year_W0QQitemZ290259216959QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290259216959&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


Tony

From badfrog_188 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 10 00:21:57 2008
From: badfrog_188 at yahoo.com (badfrog_188)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:21:57 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] My huge coco auction update.
Message-ID: <ga7i15+3u3i@eGroups.com>

Just one day left to go for the first round of CoCo stuff!

http://www.i8u2.com/coco

Found the boxes and instructions for the CoCo 3 and the color mouse.

Something to look forward to next week: I found my 64k CoCo 2 with
original box and instructions.  I must thank my parents for not
cleaning out the closet!

..badfrog _at_ gmail _dot_ com





From mdelyea at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 03:06:44 2008
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:06:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
In-Reply-To: <200809100035428.SM05032@63.69.23.239>
References: <200809100035428.SM05032@63.69.23.239>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80809100006y47c32e4o36f837ddc83e6848@mail.gmail.com>

Seems to be gone now. what was it?

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:35 AM, tonym <tonym at compusource.net> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Tim-G-Your-personal-IT-guy-for-a-year_W0QQitemZ290259216959QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290259216959&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
>
>
> Tony
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Wed Sep 10 03:54:00 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:54:00 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] My huge coco auction update.
In-Reply-To: <ga7i15+3u3i@eGroups.com>
References: <ga7i15+3u3i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1221033240.30906.0.camel@dev>

On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 04:21 +0000, badfrog_188 wrote:
> Just one day left to go for the first round of CoCo stuff!
> 
> http://www.i8u2.com/coco
> 
> Found the boxes and instructions for the CoCo 3 and the color mouse.
> 
> Something to look forward to next week: I found my 64k CoCo 2 with
> original box and instructions.  I must thank my parents for not
> cleaning out the closet!
> 
> ..badfrog _at_ gmail _dot_ com
> 

You say "two FD-502 drives," but it looks to me like the bottom is an
FD-502 and the top is an FD-500.  Might want to verify that the top
drive is double-sided as the FD-500s were not.

C.




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 12:30:54 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:30:54 -0700
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
References: <200809100035428.SM05032@63.69.23.239>
	<1b52e6c80809100006y47c32e4o36f837ddc83e6848@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DB874A9CC5C47DC88A4F8E5151DC42E@NewBaby>


Some computer tech in Australia selling his services for a year.

Not a valid eBay item.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>


> Seems to be gone now. what was it?



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 10 14:05:52 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
In-Reply-To: <0DB874A9CC5C47DC88A4F8E5151DC42E@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <604201.34872.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I tried to sell my services for a year but none of the local lonely housewives took me up on my offer but thats a story best left un-told...



** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **


 

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:30 AM

Some computer tech in Australia selling his services for a year.

Not a valid eBay item.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike delyea" <mdelyea at gmail.com>


> Seems to be gone now. what was it?


--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



      


From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 16:05:07 2008
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:05:07 -0700
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>

Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
Coco's?

Has anyone here tried replacing a 6809 with a 6309 in a device OTHER than a
COCO ?


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 16:32:55 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:32:55 -0600
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809101332x34da3c6y7a023daed86186da@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/10/08, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
> Coco's?

Yes. I have two CoCo's with 6309 CPUs.


> Has anyone here tried replacing a 6809 with a 6309 in a device OTHER than a
> COCO ?

Not me. Never had any other device that uses a 6809. Why do you ask?

Darren


From tonym at compusource.net  Wed Sep 10 17:01:12 2008
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:01:12 GMT
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
Message-ID: <200809101701312.SM00784@[63.69.23.239]>


Looks like he's at it again...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290259636041


-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Morrison neilsmorr at gmail.com
Sent 9/10/2008 12:30:54 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...


Some computer tech in Australia selling his services for a year.

Not a valid eBay item.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike delyea" mdelyea at gmail.com


 Seems to be gone now. what was it?


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From jcewy at swbell.net  Wed Sep 10 17:10:18 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C837BA.5010104@swbell.net>

Tony Cappellini wrote:
> Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
> Coco's?
>   
I have a couple CoCo 3s with 6309s, and I'm sure there are quite a few
others on this list who have done that upgrade.

JCE
> Has anyone here tried replacing a 6809 with a 6309 in a device OTHER than a
> COCO ?
>
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From devries.bob at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 17:20:20 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:20:20 +1000
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
References: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c9138b$11168440$0701a8c0@master>

Tony asked:

> Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
> Coco's?

Yes, I certainly have, and I'm sure there're many others on this list who 
have also done that transplant.

>
> Has anyone here tried replacing a 6809 with a 6309 in a device OTHER than 
> a
> COCO ?

No, but it should not present any problem, since the 6309 is pin compatible 
with the 6809 and the instructions are the same except in native mode.

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the capacity to be his spokesman,
so that I know how to help the weary.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Cappellini" <cappy2112 at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:05 AM
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309


> Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
> Coco's?
>
> Has anyone here tried replacing a 6809 with a 6309 in a device OTHER than 
> a
> COCO ?
>
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From dgacke at ektarion.com  Wed Sep 10 17:26:54 2008
From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:26:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
In-Reply-To: <200809101701312.SM00784@[63.69.23.239]>
References: <200809101701312.SM00784@[63.69.23.239]>
Message-ID: <030a01c9138b$f2e20390$d8a60ab0$@com>

Why was this originally mentioned, and why are we being kept up to date on this???

I wasn't real clear on why this is on the CoCo list.


Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of tonym
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:01 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...


Looks like he's at it again...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290259636041


-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Morrison neilsmorr at gmail.com
Sent 9/10/2008 12:30:54 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...


Some computer tech in Australia selling his services for a year.

Not a valid eBay item.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike delyea" mdelyea at gmail.com


 Seems to be gone now. what was it?


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From mechacoco at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 17:41:26 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:41:26 -0600
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <003001c9138b$11168440$0701a8c0@master>
References: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
	<003001c9138b$11168440$0701a8c0@master>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809101441m40fa1e77i1370e77f91e7242@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/10/08, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tony asked:
>>
>> Has anyone here tried replacing a 6809 with a 6309 in a device OTHER than
>> a
>> COCO ?
>
> No, but it should not present any problem, since the 6309 is pin compatible
> with the 6809 and the instructions are the same except in native mode.
>


As long as the software uses instructions that are documented as legal
6809 code, then there shouldn't be any problem. If it depends on
undocumented behavior (such as using an invalid register encoding in a
TFR instruction to load a register with FF or FFFF) then it would
likely have problems on a 6309.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Wed Sep 10 17:56:51 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:56:51 -0400
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809101756.51355.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
>Coco's?
>
Sure.  I've had one in my coco3 for well over a decade now, works fine, power 
draw is 0.00zilch too.

>Has anyone here tried replacing a 6809 with a 6309 in a device OTHER than a
>COCO ?
>
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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		-- Chinese proverb


From johnguin at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 10 19:50:15 2008
From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:50:15 -0700
Subject: [Coco] BoingBoing ran an article today about old 8 Bit British
	magazines being scanned
In-Reply-To: <200809101701312.SM00784@[63.69.23.239]>
References: <200809101701312.SM00784@[63.69.23.239]>
Message-ID: <BAY138-DS7DF4C7F8A3B243E2C78F5D9570@phx.gbl>

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/09/scans-from-80s-briti.html

The server the article points to (retrogeek.com) is swamped right now, but I figured this was topical for this list.

John



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Wed Sep 10 20:54:03 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:54:03 -0400
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <200809101756.51355.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
	<200809101756.51355.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1221094443.11647.11.camel@dev>

On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:56 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Tony Cappellini wrote:
> >Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
> >Coco's?
> >
> Sure.  I've had one in my coco3 for well over a decade now, works fine, power 
> draw is 0.00zilch too.

It's amazing how little CMOS will draw at < 2MHz ;)

C.




From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Wed Sep 10 20:57:10 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:57:10 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
In-Reply-To: <200809101701312.SM00784@[63.69.23.239]>
References: <200809101701312.SM00784@[63.69.23.239]>
Message-ID: <1221094630.11647.14.camel@dev>

On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 21:01 +0000, tonym wrote:
> Looks like he's at it again...
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290259636041

Really needs to work on that photo.  I'm not paying that sort of money
for a live-at-home IT tech unless he's wearing assless leather chaps and
has a gag-ball in his mouth.  At least in the E-bay photo.

C.




From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Wed Sep 10 21:44:27 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
Message-ID: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>

COCO Folks,

At the request of my kids, I recently unpacked my old Color Computer 3 after
almost 20 years of deep storage.  I had mentioned to them that I programmed
a video game that was published and they wanted to play it.  Unbelievably
after unpacking and cleaning everything the game still worked along with the
COCO3, Floppy Drive and Multi-Pack.

The game I wrote is called "Paladin's Legacy" and it was published by Sundog
Systems in 1989. It is an RPG adventure/action game for COCO I,I and III
with 64k and floppy drive.  I would like to preserve and run the game in a
modern PC system using VCC Emulator.  After reading about VCC at
vcc6809.bravehost.com, if I understand correctly, I should be able to run my
game on my Windows XP PC with VCC.  VCC will create a virtual disk that
handles the floppy disk access from my game. However my problem is getting
my game files transferred to a windows PC from the COCO.  The files that
make up my game are almost all Binary (.bin) with a few basic files.  I also
still have the source files (.asc).  I don't have a PC with 5.25 floppy so I
am unable to use VCC to read the old Tandy Floppy Drive (assuming that that
is even possible).

I visited www.thesvd.com  and found a product called SVD (Semi-Virtual Disk)
that will copy images of files/floppies from an old COCO to a modern Windows
PC over RS232 (or in my case a usb-RS232 converter).  I don't have a PC with
RS232 but apparently I can use a USB-RS232 converter.  

My real question is if I buy SVD and copy the images of my game disks to my
PC, do you think VCC will run my game?  The game uses a lot of disk access
since it's a two sided RPG.  The game requires you to flip the disk when you
enter cities and then flip back when you go back to the main world map.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer.

Allan


Allan Chaney
Woodcraft Stores 539 and 548
AC Woodworks Inc. dba Woodcraft
Corp PH#: 918-298-6948
Corp Fax#: 918-299-6941
Corp E-mail: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com




From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 22:07:04 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:07:04 -0600
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>
Message-ID: <8F12725E-7754-4B52-B064-5159505FF836@gmail.com>

Another option for getting the game into your Windows PC is to use  
DriveWire:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mmarlette/Cloud-9/Software/DriveWire.html

It'll let you hook up your CoCo to a PC via a serial port (using a  
Serial-to-USB converter if necessary).  The PC then becomes a file  
server for the CoCo.  You can copy files from floppy disks through the  
CoCo onto the PC and vice versa.

The big issues are whether your original floppy disks containing the  
game are copy protected, and if you used a non-standard format for  
storing data on the disks (e.g. abnormal sector sizes).  In these  
cases, it is a bigger challenge getting the game onto a Windows PC and  
working in an emulator.

There are some other options, such as hooking up a 5 1/4" 360k- 
compatible floppy drive into your PC and using some CoCo-oriented disk  
copying utilities.  I'm not familiar with what this involves.

I'm sure somebody out there has tried exactly what you want to do, so  
someone may even have Windows PC disk images ready to go.  The VCC  
emulator is usually pretty good for compatibility, but I've found that  
not everything will run in it.  All you can do is try--either it'll  
work or it won't!  I wish it did a better job with color artifacting  
(like the Java-based Mocha CoCo I/II emulator).  And yes, VCC will let  
you "flip" disk images on the fly, as you require--disk access  
shouldn't be an issue.

You may also wish to consider releasing your game into the public  
domain as some authors have now done.  (See http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/approvals/approvals.html)

-- JP


On Sep 10, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Allan Chaney wrote:
> The game I wrote is called "Paladin's Legacy" and it was published  
> by Sundog
> Systems in 1989. It is an RPG adventure/action game for COCO I,I and  
> III
> with 64k and floppy drive.  I would like to preserve and run the  
> game in a
> modern PC system using VCC Emulator.  After reading about VCC at
> vcc6809.bravehost.com, if I understand correctly, I should be able  
> to run my
> game on my Windows XP PC with VCC.  VCC will create a virtual disk  
> that
> handles the floppy disk access from my game. However my problem is  
> getting
> my game files transferred to a windows PC from the COCO.  The files  
> that
> make up my game are almost all Binary (.bin) with a few basic  
> files.  I also
> still have the source files (.asc).  I don't have a PC with 5.25  
> floppy so I
> am unable to use VCC to read the old Tandy Floppy Drive (assuming  
> that that
> is even possible).
>
> I visited www.thesvd.com  and found a product called SVD (Semi- 
> Virtual Disk)
> that will copy images of files/floppies from an old COCO to a modern  
> Windows
> PC over RS232 (or in my case a usb-RS232 converter).  I don't have a  
> PC with
> RS232 but apparently I can use a USB-RS232 converter.
>
> My real question is if I buy SVD and copy the images of my game  
> disks to my
> PC, do you think VCC will run my game?  The game uses a lot of disk  
> access
> since it's a two sided RPG.  The game requires you to flip the disk  
> when you
> enter cities and then flip back when you go back to the main world  
> map.



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 22:12:31 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:12:31 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  Breaking windows in B09
Message-ID: <003601c913b3$d9cd8b90$d4b1b1d8@house>

 In my CNC Coco stuff, I'd decided to use a printer to display data that 
otherwise would be lost.. such as what was printed to the screen and scrolls 
up into oblivion as I enter the edit mode.
 Using the printer was okay. Used a lot of paper, of course.

 Then I decided to use an unused window.

 In my startup file, I open four windows. All are text only 80X24. The first 
three, I iniz them and the fourth window is left for printing to.
 Never used it, just had it there "just in case".

 Yesterday, I tried to open that window for writing, in Basic09. The window 
vanishes.

I can (in Shell+2.1)

 echo Hello >/w4

and it works.

When I :

  open #path4, "/w4":write

In Basic09,

The window vanishes.. or at least it vanishes some time from the point I 
start the main program and it opens the path or, when it prints the data to 
that window. Perhaps I should make it print to that window later in the 
program, to give me time to [CLEAR] to that window to see when it vanishes. 
Right now, I'm thinking it vanishes upon opening the path.
It's still in the module directory (dirm and mdir)

 I hope there's enough info here to enable someone to offer a suggestion as 
to how this happens and a way to fix it..

 I ran across this problem quite a few years ago but, that was a long time 
ago.
 My addled brain can't pull up this file.... lost sectors from excessive 
cleaning with alcohol and G-Forces from inadvertant mis-advertures on 
motorcycles.

.

George



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 22:19:00 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:19:00 -0700
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
References: <200809101701312.SM00784@[63.69.23.239]>
	<1221094630.11647.14.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <CD9B562F3890465BAB9AD9273350B8A9@NewBaby>


----- Original Message ----- 

> Really needs to work on that photo.  I'm not paying that sort of money
> for a live-at-home IT tech unless he's wearing assless leather chaps and
> has a gag-ball in his mouth.  At least in the E-bay photo.

Not my taste. Maybe for Christie Brinkley if she's tired of losers.

Neil



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Wed Sep 10 22:42:52 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:42:52 -0400
Subject: [Coco] bug in latest "backup" command?
Message-ID: <1221100972.11647.30.camel@dev>

Has anyone ever run into problems using backup with a single drive under
NitrOS-9?  I had an odd error earlier, which I didn't spend much time
investigating -- I was copying a 40-track DS/DD floppy with "backup" on
a single-drive system. 

In any case, on the last read of the source floppy, backup appeared to
want to read beyond the end of the disk - I was getting "error #247"
when it tried to read sectors $5A0, $5A1, etc... which of course aren't
valid sector numbers on a 40-track, double-sided, 18 spt disk.

The command I used was

backup /d0 #48k

Anyway, is this a known issue, or has no one ever seen it before?  If I
can repeat it I will poke into the code and see if it's a bug.  Could be
user error, but I don't see how I could have screwed this up.

It wasn't a big deal, as I just copied the disk image and then used
backup with the 'f' flag to write it back out (much easier on a
hard-disk system, anyway).

C.




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Wed Sep 10 23:02:08 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:02:08 -0400
Subject: [Coco] bug in latest "backup" command?
In-Reply-To: <1221100972.11647.30.camel@dev>
References: <1221100972.11647.30.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <200809102302.09013.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
>Has anyone ever run into problems using backup with a single drive under
>NitrOS-9?  I had an odd error earlier, which I didn't spend much time
>investigating -- I was copying a 40-track DS/DD floppy with "backup" on
>a single-drive system.
>
>In any case, on the last read of the source floppy, backup appeared to
>want to read beyond the end of the disk - I was getting "error #247"
>when it tried to read sectors $5A0, $5A1, etc... which of course aren't
>valid sector numbers on a 40-track, double-sided, 18 spt disk.
>
>The command I used was
>
>backup /d0 #48k
>
>Anyway, is this a known issue, or has no one ever seen it before?  If I
>can repeat it I will poke into the code and see if it's a bug.  Could be
>user error, but I don't see how I could have screwed this up.
>
>It wasn't a big deal, as I just copied the disk image and then used
>backup with the 'f' flag to write it back out (much easier on a
>hard-disk system, anyway).
>
>C.

IIRC, backup needs the -s option on the cli to enable the single drive change 
disks prompts.  As far as it going past $59F, that seems more like a 
descriptor problem and I'd check the settings with a dmode /d0 query.

Most of its values are in hex, and base 0 format.
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-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
"The IETF motto is 'rouch consesus and running code'"
  
  -- Scott Bradner (Open Sources, 1999 O'Reilly and Associates)


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Wed Sep 10 23:09:33 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:09:33 -0400
Subject: [Coco] bug in latest "backup" command?
In-Reply-To: <200809102302.09013.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <1221100972.11647.30.camel@dev>
	<200809102302.09013.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1221102573.11647.34.camel@dev>

On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 23:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

>   As far as it going past $59F, that seems more like a 
> descriptor problem and I'd check the settings with a dmode /d0 query.
> 

I'm pretty sure the descriptor is right (I actually had just formatted
the target disk, $005A0 sectors verified) .. but I thought it would get
this information from LSN0 on the source disk, anyway?

Oh, and I vaguely recall something about the -s option, too, but maybe
that was for copy or something - backup was smart enough to ask me to
swap disks without me telling it to do so..

I'll be in the lab tomorrow afternoon, maybe I can provide more
information, or, alternatively, put my dunce cap on.

Thanks Gene
C.




From operator at coco3.com  Wed Sep 10 23:33:40 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
Message-ID: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>

Hurricane Ike is now predicted to rise possibly to a cat 4 beast, and 
the new predicted paths come right over coco3.com in East 
Texas.  Hopefully by then it will be a tropical storm, but who knows 
what the thing will do.  I think the fear won't *completely* kick in 
until the eye hits the shore, which it IS going to do.  This area is 
also part of tornado alley I'm told.

I'm going to get my kids out of town sometime this weekend for 
safety.  But I'll come back and ofcourse UPS will demand that even if 
hellfire was falling from the sky WHILE the eye of the hurricane at 
100mph was passing over our city, that I *still* be at work ontime 
and ready to deliver Next Day Air packages no matter what.

This is going to be very .... interesting, and scary.  Because we're 
like a big family here in the CoCo world, I know some of you would 
like to hear the daily buzz on this thing as it passes through.





From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Wed Sep 10 23:39:21 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:39:21 +0000
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
Message-ID: <091120080339.8822.48C892E90000BE750000227622007456720B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

He turns 18 Friday.  I suspect the CV is just a little fanciful.  He's been fiddling with computers for going on seven years.  You don't actually achieve competence, let alone expertise, on those sort of apps unless you're doing full-time tech support* or development.  A school kid (unless he's being home-schooled) doesn't have the spare time for that.

* I used to have a list of over 1200 apps that I considered myself competent to expert in.  I stopped counting when I realized that 80% or so were old enough that potential employers didn't care, as the software was no longer being used except in small niches and they had never heard of the rest anyway.  (I was a CSR at sundry RSCCs for over half of the 80s).
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 21:01 +0000, tonym wrote:
> > Looks like he's at it again...
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290259636041
> 
> Really needs to work on that photo.  I'm not paying that sort of money
> for a live-at-home IT tech unless he's wearing assless leather chaps and
> has a gag-ball in his mouth.  At least in the E-bay photo.
> 
> C.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From jcewy at swbell.net  Wed Sep 10 23:45:58 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:45:58 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>
Message-ID: <48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>

Allan,

You might check out the disk image called coco_archive.iso on
ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/
This is of course a CD image, which is huge, and will have to be
downloaded and burned onto a CD.  It looks like there is a disk image of
Paladin's Legacy in there.  The archive comes with an HTML document
which notes that that game "may not work with emulators (?)".  I notice
that it is only one side of a double-sided, 35 track disk, so there may
be missing data, if you say it used two disk sides.  There may be other
sources for it on the Internet.

FWIW.

JCE

Allan Chaney wrote:
> COCO Folks,
>
> At the request of my kids, I recently unpacked my old Color Computer 3 after
> almost 20 years of deep storage.  I had mentioned to them that I programmed
> a video game that was published and they wanted to play it.  Unbelievably
> after unpacking and cleaning everything the game still worked along with the
> COCO3, Floppy Drive and Multi-Pack.
>
> The game I wrote is called "Paladin's Legacy" and it was published by Sundog
> Systems in 1989. It is an RPG adventure/action game for COCO I,I and III
> with 64k and floppy drive.  I would like to preserve and run the game in a
> modern PC system using VCC Emulator.  After reading about VCC at
> vcc6809.bravehost.com, if I understand correctly, I should be able to run my
> game on my Windows XP PC with VCC.  VCC will create a virtual disk that
> handles the floppy disk access from my game. However my problem is getting
> my game files transferred to a windows PC from the COCO.  The files that
> make up my game are almost all Binary (.bin) with a few basic files.  I also
> still have the source files (.asc).  I don't have a PC with 5.25 floppy so I
> am unable to use VCC to read the old Tandy Floppy Drive (assuming that that
> is even possible).
>
> I visited www.thesvd.com  and found a product called SVD (Semi-Virtual Disk)
> that will copy images of files/floppies from an old COCO to a modern Windows
> PC over RS232 (or in my case a usb-RS232 converter).  I don't have a PC with
> RS232 but apparently I can use a USB-RS232 converter.  
>
> My real question is if I buy SVD and copy the images of my game disks to my
> PC, do you think VCC will run my game?  The game uses a lot of disk access
> since it's a two sided RPG.  The game requires you to flip the disk when you
> enter cities and then flip back when you go back to the main world map.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Allan Chaney
> Woodcraft Stores 539 and 548
> AC Woodworks Inc. dba Woodcraft
> Corp PH#: 918-298-6948
> Corp Fax#: 918-299-6941
> Corp E-mail: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From tlindner at macmess.org  Wed Sep 10 23:46:57 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:46:57 -0700
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1in2jw2.1rwcgzku8e6d4M%tlindner@macmess.org>

Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
> Coco's?

Yup.

> Has anyone here tried replacing a 6809 with a 6309 in a device OTHER than a
> COCO ?

I suggested it to some Vectrex people. They came to the conclusion that
the directing of the electron beam couldn't be made any faster with a
more powerful CPU.

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.vectrex/browse_thread/thread/7
29cad6e109bcedc/7ddc4f85afd38137?hl=enddc4f85afd38137>

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 23:54:47 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:54:47 -0600
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com> <48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3C454E89-D109-491D-AD25-B4720835FE0E@gmail.com>

On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Joel Ewy wrote:
> You might check out the disk image called coco_archive.iso on
> ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/
> This is of course a CD image, which is huge, and will have to be
> downloaded and burned onto a CD.  It looks like there is a disk  
> image of
> Paladin's Legacy in there.

The original project to archive these disks kicked off a bit over two  
years ago.  The collection Joel mentions are the disks that had no  
copy protection, and so could be easily reproduced.  Paladin was  
specifically mentioned as likely having copy protection:

http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/2006-July/023697.html

So I'm not sure the image in that archive is functional, though I've  
not yet tried it. It may be that Tim Lindner or Ken Carlin have the  
original Paladin's Legacy disks in their to-do pile.

-- JP



From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Wed Sep 10 23:54:53 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:54:53 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
References: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <563FF3F8FB944F768D2B549DE1E1F53F@trotter>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Taylor"
> Hurricane Ike is now predicted to rise possibly to a cat 4 beast, and the 
> new predicted paths come right over coco3.com in East Texas.
>
> This is going to be very .... interesting, and scary.  Because we're like 
> a big family here in the CoCo world, I know some of you would like to hear 
> the daily buzz on this thing as it passes through.

Yes, please do keep us informed.  Does UPS pay your life insurance?  With 
that attitude they should be paying hazardous duty too.

Bruce W.
>From the "safety" of the east "end" of tornado alley. 



From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 00:09:47 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:09:47 -0600
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <3C454E89-D109-491D-AD25-B4720835FE0E@gmail.com>
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com> <48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>
	<3C454E89-D109-491D-AD25-B4720835FE0E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21CBD4F2-0DF5-4DCD-A1AB-53E464F1BDBC@gmail.com>

On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:54 PM, J.P. Samson wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Joel Ewy wrote:
>> You might check out the disk image called coco_archive.iso on
>> ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/
>> This is of course a CD image, which is huge, and will have to be
>> downloaded and burned onto a CD.  It looks like there is a disk  
>> image of
>> Paladin's Legacy in there.
>
> So I'm not sure the image in that archive is functional, though I've  
> not yet tried it. It may be that Tim Lindner or Ken Carlin have the  
> original Paladin's Legacy disks in their to-do pile.

Okay, I tried the Paladin disk image in that collection on VCC.

Seems to run okay.  I don't have instructions on how to play the  
game.  Randomly running around and hitting keys, it did ask for a  
"city disk" at one point.  Since there don't appear to be any  
additional disks available in this collection, my attempt to enter the  
city failed.

-- JP



From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Thu Sep 11 00:12:53 2008
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:12:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.67.1221102147.28008.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.67.1221102147.28008.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48C89AC3.4000409@usfamily.net>

> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:44:27 -0500
> From: "Allan Chaney" <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com>
> Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> COCO Folks,
>
> At the request of my kids, I recently unpacked my old Color Computer 3 after
> almost 20 years of deep storage.  I had mentioned to them that I programmed
> a video game that was published and they wanted to play it.  Unbelievably
> after unpacking and cleaning everything the game still worked along with the
> COCO3, Floppy Drive and Multi-Pack.
>
> The game I wrote is called "Paladin's Legacy" and it was published by Sundog
> Systems in 1989. It is an RPG adventure/action game for COCO I,I and III
> with 64k and floppy drive.  I would like to preserve and run the game in a
> modern PC system using VCC Emulator.  After reading about VCC at
> vcc6809.bravehost.com, if I understand correctly, I should be able to run my
> game on my Windows XP PC with VCC.  VCC will create a virtual disk that
> handles the floppy disk access from my game. However my problem is getting
> my game files transferred to a windows PC from the COCO.  The files that
> make up my game are almost all Binary (.bin) with a few basic files.  I also
> still have the source files (.asc).  I don't have a PC with 5.25 floppy so I
> am unable to use VCC to read the old Tandy Floppy Drive (assuming that that
> is even possible).
>
> I visited www.thesvd.com  and found a product called SVD (Semi-Virtual Disk)
> that will copy images of files/floppies from an old COCO to a modern Windows
> PC over RS232 (or in my case a usb-RS232 converter).  I don't have a PC with
> RS232 but apparently I can use a USB-RS232 converter.  
>
> My real question is if I buy SVD and copy the images of my game disks to my
> PC, do you think VCC will run my game?  The game uses a lot of disk access
> since it's a two sided RPG.  The game requires you to flip the disk when you
> enter cities and then flip back when you go back to the main world map.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
>
> Allan

Allan,

So you wrote Paladin's Legacy? Great game! I have a copy, and it still works. I've never gotten anywhere close to solving it though. Ran into a couple roadblocks ;-)

I was very impressed that you were able to create such a large, complex RPG game on a Coco2. Very impressive.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT




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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Sep 11 00:15:50 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:15:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] bug in latest "backup" command?
In-Reply-To: <1221102573.11647.34.camel@dev>
References: <1221100972.11647.30.camel@dev>
	<200809102302.09013.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<1221102573.11647.34.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <200809110015.50612.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
>On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 23:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>   As far as it going past $59F, that seems more like a
>> descriptor problem and I'd check the settings with a dmode /d0 query.
>
>I'm pretty sure the descriptor is right (I actually had just formatted
>the target disk, $005A0 sectors verified) .. but I thought it would get
>this information from LSN0 on the source disk, anyway?

It should for some things, comparing the options there with the descriptor to 
see if they are identical.  You may want to dump the first sector and compare 
that to the rbf specs in the os9 books.

>Oh, and I vaguely recall something about the -s option, too, but maybe
>that was for copy or something - backup was smart enough to ask me to
>swap disks without me telling it to do so..
>
>I'll be in the lab tomorrow afternoon, maybe I can provide more
>information, or, alternatively, put my dunce cap on.
>
>Thanks Gene
>C.
>
>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Why did the Roman Empire collapse?  What is the Latin for office automation?


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Sep 11 00:18:18 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:18:18 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <200809110018.18098.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Roger Taylor wrote:
>Hurricane Ike is now predicted to rise possibly to a cat 4 beast, and
>the new predicted paths come right over coco3.com in East
>Texas.  Hopefully by then it will be a tropical storm, but who knows
>what the thing will do.  I think the fear won't *completely* kick in
>until the eye hits the shore, which it IS going to do.  This area is
>also part of tornado alley I'm told.
>
>I'm going to get my kids out of town sometime this weekend for
>safety.  But I'll come back and ofcourse UPS will demand that even if
>hellfire was falling from the sky WHILE the eye of the hurricane at
>100mph was passing over our city, that I *still* be at work ontime
>and ready to deliver Next Day Air packages no matter what.
>
>This is going to be very .... interesting, and scary.  Because we're
>like a big family here in the CoCo world, I know some of you would
>like to hear the daily buzz on this thing as it passes through.
>
Where are you from C.C.?  I have a handicapped (ms, middle stages, gets around 
on an electric scooter) friend in a trailer/rv park there.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Man will never fly.  Space travel is merely a dream.  All aspirin is alike.


From tonym at compusource.net  Thu Sep 11 01:04:21 2008
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:04:21 GMT
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
Message-ID: <200809110104421.SM00260@[63.69.23.239]>

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Taylor operator at coco3.com
>Sent 9/10/2008 11:33:40 PM
>To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
>Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
>
>Hurricane Ike is now predicted to rise possibly to a cat 4 beast, and 
>the new predicted paths come right over coco3.com in East 
>Texas. Hopefully by then it will be a tropical storm, but who knows 
>what the thing will do. I think the fear won't *completely* kick in 
>until the eye hits the shore, which it IS going to do. This area is 
>also part of tornado alley I'm told.
>
>I'm going to get my kids out of town sometime this weekend for 
>safety. But I'll come back and ofcourse UPS will demand that even if 
>hellfire was falling from the sky WHILE the eye of the hurricane at 
>100mph was passing over our city, that I *still* be at work ontime 
>and ready to deliver Next Day Air packages no matter what.
>
>This is going to be very .... interesting, and scary. Because we're 
>like a big family here in the CoCo world, I know some of you would 
>like to hear the daily buzz on this thing as it passes through.
>
>

I believe every word of it....
in 2005, when Wilma passed through S. Florida, I was awaiting an iPod from AmEx, from points.
Well, I never got it, and UPS listed it as "left at front door," on the day Wilma passed through!

Now, who in their right mind would leave a small box like that, with 70+MPH winds rocking around,
I have no idea - I figured maybe he left it at the wrong address, and they were enjoying a new iPod!

Tony

From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 11 08:33:06 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:33:06 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1221136386.11647.37.camel@dev>

On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 22:33 -0500, Roger Taylor wrote:
> Hurricane Ike is now predicted to rise possibly to a cat 4 beast, and 
> the new predicted paths come right over coco3.com in East 
> Texas.  Hopefully by then it will be a tropical storm, but who knows 
> what the thing will do.  I think the fear won't *completely* kick in 
> until the eye hits the shore, which it IS going to do.  This area is 
> also part of tornado alley I'm told.

Another hurricane?  Sheesh.

Global warming is a myth

C.




From farna at att.net  Thu Sep 11 09:07:28 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:07:28 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
Message-ID: <48C91810.9070506@att.net>

I'd rather see small technical errors that could be confusing/misleading changed. Tim's suggestion is good, but leave the comments and initial out -- just make the correction in square brackets. It's not likely that anyone reading will recognize the initials anyway, and a comment on the site or at the beginning of the mag file can read "Corrections to original text are made in square brackets following the original text where needed for technical accuracy/clarity."

"The CoCo A/D converter has seven resistors and one CMOS butter [buffer]."

That doesn't look intrusive, a long comment and initials would to me, but that's just my opinion. I would only make changes where really needed though. That particular one probably wouldn't be confusing, not to anyone who has a clue as to what they are reading anyway, but I'd still correct it for clarity/accuracy. 

PROGRAM LISTINGS are another matter! If a known error shows up there by all means correct it!! There's nothing more irritating than spending a few hours typing a listing in to find it doesn't work, and you don't know quite enough about debugging/programming to find out why! So the correction is listed two months later... in an issue you don't have/hasn't been scanned yet...  With the OCR'd text, you should be able to just select the text, put it in a word processor, save as an ASCII (.txt) file, then transfer to the CoCo and do a little editing to make it run. Should...

----------
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:11:42 -0700
From: "tim lindner" <tlindner at macmess.org>

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:

> > So, should we fix errors in the original text, or make the OCR text
> > match what was printed.  I've been doing the latter.  But it's
> > interesting to learn that the CoCo's A/D converter circuit has seven
> > resistors and one CMOS butter.  So should the Next-Gen CoCo have a CMOS
> > whipping cream, or a 'yeah-butter'?
>   

I've seen these also.

Robert Gault asked about this earlier. I said to him I was leaning
toward reproducing the original article without alteration. Decreeing
that spelling and grammatical mistakes should be fixed would be a
little hyppotricital of me. *grin*

Factual errors seem to be a different matter. How about we add
something like: [Archivist's Note: Butter is delicious and all, but
has no place in a computer. -tjl]

Note, the square brackets and initials.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From sklammer at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 09:52:37 2008
From: sklammer at gmail.com (Shain Klammer)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:52:37 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Help me digitize Color Computer Magazines
In-Reply-To: <48C91810.9070506@att.net>
References: <48C91810.9070506@att.net>
Message-ID: <3925f0b0809110652v610e4602o83bb59b758e10a67@mail.gmail.com>

IMHO, I'd agree with Tim that the square bracket notation should (at least)
include an indication that it was not part of the original text - "The CoCo
A/D converter has seven resistors and one CMOS butter [Archivist's Note:
buffer]."  The "Archivist's Note" could be abbreviated to something like
"*A*", if noted as such somewhere.

I'd also request that any later published corrections be referenced in the
original article.

sk

2008/9/11 Frank Swygert <farna at att.net>

> I'd rather see small technical errors that could be confusing/misleading
> changed. Tim's suggestion is good, but leave the comments and initial out --
> just make the correction in square brackets. It's not likely that anyone
> reading will recognize the initials anyway, and a comment on the site or at
> the beginning of the mag file can read "Corrections to original text are
> made in square brackets following the original text where needed for
> technical accuracy/clarity."
>
> "The CoCo A/D converter has seven resistors and one CMOS butter [buffer]."
>
> That doesn't look intrusive, a long comment and initials would to me, but
> that's just my opinion. I would only make changes where really needed
> though. That particular one probably wouldn't be confusing, not to anyone
> who has a clue as to what they are reading anyway, but I'd still correct it
> for clarity/accuracy.
> PROGRAM LISTINGS are another matter! If a known error shows up there by all
> means correct it!! There's nothing more irritating than spending a few hours
> typing a listing in to find it doesn't work, and you don't know quite enough
> about debugging/programming to find out why! So the correction is listed two
> months later... in an issue you don't have/hasn't been scanned yet...  With
> the OCR'd text, you should be able to just select the text, put it in a word
> processor, save as an ASCII (.txt) file, then transfer to the CoCo and do a
> little editing to make it run. Should...
>
> ----------
> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:11:42 -0700
> From: "tim lindner" <tlindner at macmess.org>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:
>
> > So, should we fix errors in the original text, or make the OCR text
>> > match what was printed.  I've been doing the latter.  But it's
>> > interesting to learn that the CoCo's A/D converter circuit has seven
>> > resistors and one CMOS butter.  So should the Next-Gen CoCo have a CMOS
>> > whipping cream, or a 'yeah-butter'?
>>
>>
>
> I've seen these also.
>
> Robert Gault asked about this earlier. I said to him I was leaning
> toward reproducing the original article without alteration. Decreeing
> that spelling and grammatical mistakes should be fixed would be a
> little hyppotricital of me. *grin*
>
> Factual errors seem to be a different matter. How about we add
> something like: [Archivist's Note: Butter is delicious and all, but
> has no place in a computer. -tjl]
>
> Note, the square brackets and initials.
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
> (free download available!)
>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 11 10:12:37 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:12:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] 1984 CCM Magazine Archive is now up
Message-ID: <539849.36446.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The 1984 CCM Magazine Archive is up for folks to download. As before I have posted a link to a text file that has the download links to keep the direct links off the e-mail list. See the text file for the issues needed to complete the year. Any problems or questions please contact me off list via e-mail. More to come soon!

http://rapidshare.com/files/144385003/1984_CCM.zip



** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization **


 


      


From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 11:20:55 2008
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:20:55 -0700
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0809110820t30fb9535s9e4bec3768666881@mail.gmail.com>

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:45:58 -0500
From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48C89476.3050203 at swbell.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Allan,

You might check out the disk image called coco_archive.iso on
ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/
This is of course a CD image, which is huge, and will have to be
downloaded and burned onto a CD.


Not true. It does not need to be burned onto any medium to get the files
out.
There are many programs which can read,write, extract files from ISO images.
That's what I did. I just pulled out everything from the ISO file, then
deleted the ISO image.


From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep 11 11:48:59 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:48:59 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
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Tony Cappellini wrote:
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:45:58 -0500
> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net <mailto:jcewy at swbell.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com
> <mailto:coco at maltedmedia.com>>
> Message-ID: <48C89476.3050203 at swbell.net
> <mailto:48C89476.3050203 at swbell.net>>
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>
> Allan,
>
> You might check out the disk image called coco_archive.iso on
> ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/
> This is of course a CD image, which is huge, and will have to be
> downloaded and burned onto a CD. 
>
>
> Not true. It does not need to be burned onto any medium to get the
> files out.
> There are many programs which can read,write, extract files from ISO
> images.
> That's what I did. I just pulled out everything from the ISO file,
> then deleted the ISO image.
>
Yes, good point.

JCE



From linville at tuxdriver.com  Thu Sep 11 10:25:25 2008
From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:25:25 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: No surprise, I suppose...
In-Reply-To: <1221094630.11647.14.camel@dev>
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	<1221094630.11647.14.camel@dev>
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:57:10PM -0400, Chuck Youse wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 21:01 +0000, tonym wrote:
> > Looks like he's at it again...
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290259636041
> 
> Really needs to work on that photo.  I'm not paying that sort of money
> for a live-at-home IT tech unless he's wearing assless leather chaps and
> has a gag-ball in his mouth.  At least in the E-bay photo.

Please remove me from your party invitation list... :-)

-- 
John W. Linville
linville at tuxdriver.com


From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Thu Sep 11 13:39:42 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
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JP,

WOW I'm shocked anyone is even interested in this!

It's kind of exciting realizing anyone even remembers my game much less
wants to archive it.

I'll do what I can to get my unprotected game disks on PC and onto the
internet.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of J.P. Samson
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:55 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC

On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Joel Ewy wrote:
> You might check out the disk image called coco_archive.iso on
> ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/
> This is of course a CD image, which is huge, and will have to be
> downloaded and burned onto a CD.  It looks like there is a disk  
> image of
> Paladin's Legacy in there.

The original project to archive these disks kicked off a bit over two  
years ago.  The collection Joel mentions are the disks that had no  
copy protection, and so could be easily reproduced.  Paladin was  
specifically mentioned as likely having copy protection:

http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/2006-July/023697.html

So I'm not sure the image in that archive is functional, though I've  
not yet tried it. It may be that Tim Lindner or Ken Carlin have the  
original Paladin's Legacy disks in their to-do pile.

-- JP


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From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Thu Sep 11 13:39:42 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
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JP,

Thanks for the info on Drivewire.  I'm going to give it a try.

The game that was published by Sundog Systems did contain copy protection on
the Player Disk side.  The City disk side of the floppy has not copy
protection.  And of course I have a copy of the commercial version.  But I
also have all of my unprotected copies with 5 years worth of versions as I
worked on the game.  Luckily I kept my final disks in a zip lock bag along
with the commercial version and the manual.  That really helped preserve the
disks.  I have about 100 disks that were not "zip locked" that contains the
source code.  Most of these disks are unusable.

The file formats are all standard .bin with 3 small files in Basic.  I wrote
the entire game in 6809 assembly using Edtasm+.  Well I originally wrote it
in Basic, realized that wasn't going to work and then spent about 3 years
converting the whole thing into Assembly while in college.

My goal is to get the game up and running in Emulation and release it to
Public Domain.  It's certainly not worth anything except of course to me
personally and people nostalgic for retro gaming. 

I'll keep in touch as I progress.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of J.P. Samson
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:07 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC

Another option for getting the game into your Windows PC is to use  
DriveWire:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mmarlette/Cloud-9/Software/DriveWire.html

It'll let you hook up your CoCo to a PC via a serial port (using a  
Serial-to-USB converter if necessary).  The PC then becomes a file  
server for the CoCo.  You can copy files from floppy disks through the  
CoCo onto the PC and vice versa.

The big issues are whether your original floppy disks containing the  
game are copy protected, and if you used a non-standard format for  
storing data on the disks (e.g. abnormal sector sizes).  In these  
cases, it is a bigger challenge getting the game onto a Windows PC and  
working in an emulator.

There are some other options, such as hooking up a 5 1/4" 360k- 
compatible floppy drive into your PC and using some CoCo-oriented disk  
copying utilities.  I'm not familiar with what this involves.

I'm sure somebody out there has tried exactly what you want to do, so  
someone may even have Windows PC disk images ready to go.  The VCC  
emulator is usually pretty good for compatibility, but I've found that  
not everything will run in it.  All you can do is try--either it'll  
work or it won't!  I wish it did a better job with color artifacting  
(like the Java-based Mocha CoCo I/II emulator).  And yes, VCC will let  
you "flip" disk images on the fly, as you require--disk access  
shouldn't be an issue.

You may also wish to consider releasing your game into the public  
domain as some authors have now done.  (See
http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/approvals/approvals.html)

-- JP


On Sep 10, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Allan Chaney wrote:
> The game I wrote is called "Paladin's Legacy" and it was published  
> by Sundog
> Systems in 1989. It is an RPG adventure/action game for COCO I,I and  
> III
> with 64k and floppy drive.  I would like to preserve and run the  
> game in a
> modern PC system using VCC Emulator.  After reading about VCC at
> vcc6809.bravehost.com, if I understand correctly, I should be able  
> to run my
> game on my Windows XP PC with VCC.  VCC will create a virtual disk  
> that
> handles the floppy disk access from my game. However my problem is  
> getting
> my game files transferred to a windows PC from the COCO.  The files  
> that
> make up my game are almost all Binary (.bin) with a few basic  
> files.  I also
> still have the source files (.asc).  I don't have a PC with 5.25  
> floppy so I
> am unable to use VCC to read the old Tandy Floppy Drive (assuming  
> that that
> is even possible).
>
> I visited www.thesvd.com  and found a product called SVD (Semi- 
> Virtual Disk)
> that will copy images of files/floppies from an old COCO to a modern  
> Windows
> PC over RS232 (or in my case a usb-RS232 converter).  I don't have a  
> PC with
> RS232 but apparently I can use a USB-RS232 converter.
>
> My real question is if I buy SVD and copy the images of my game  
> disks to my
> PC, do you think VCC will run my game?  The game uses a lot of disk  
> access
> since it's a two sided RPG.  The game requires you to flip the disk  
> when you
> enter cities and then flip back when you go back to the main world  
> map.


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From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Thu Sep 11 13:45:28 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:45:28 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
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JP,

Looks like someone only imaged the Player Disk and forgot to image the city
Disk (back side of the commercial floppy).  That's too bad because the City
Disk is not even copy protected.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of J.P. Samson
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:10 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC

On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:54 PM, J.P. Samson wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Joel Ewy wrote:
>> You might check out the disk image called coco_archive.iso on
>> ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/
>> This is of course a CD image, which is huge, and will have to be
>> downloaded and burned onto a CD.  It looks like there is a disk  
>> image of
>> Paladin's Legacy in there.
>
> So I'm not sure the image in that archive is functional, though I've  
> not yet tried it. It may be that Tim Lindner or Ken Carlin have the  
> original Paladin's Legacy disks in their to-do pile.

Okay, I tried the Paladin disk image in that collection on VCC.

Seems to run okay.  I don't have instructions on how to play the  
game.  Randomly running around and hitting keys, it did ask for a  
"city disk" at one point.  Since there don't appear to be any  
additional disks available in this collection, my attempt to enter the  
city failed.

-- JP


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From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Thu Sep 11 13:55:34 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:34 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
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Fred,

Thanks for the compliment.  Yes I wrote it on a COCO II and then sent it off
to Sundog in the fall of 1988.  Glen Dahlgren with Sundog loved the game but
wanted me to get it running on the COCO3 as well and to keep it under 64k so
it would work on all COCO models.  It took me an entire year to not only get
it running on the COCO 3 but to get it polished enough for commercial
release and to convert my then basic disk I/O into assembly.  I finished it
just in time for Christmas 1989.  That experience convinced me NOT to pursue
computer programming as a career but to keep it as a loved hobby.

Anyway....if you decide to play the game again.  I can tell you everything
you could possibly want to know.  I have also scanned the manual in case you
or anyone else wants it.

I just replayed the game for the first time in almost 20 years and I was
shocked how hard it was just getting started with a new character.  So just
a tip....when you role your character max out your strength and Dexterity
and don't worry about intelligence and Wisdom. You can increase those when
you find Black Boxes in the Mines.  Also hit that first Human City and buy a
weapon and armor and Wear and Arm yourself to improve your AC and WC.
Another huge tip is....Just west of the starting location in the game,
through the thick forest is the Elven City of Elm.  In the upper right
corner of that city are a couple of elves hanging out by a fire.  Talk to
one and he tells you of a Wood Nymph that comes out on the darkest of
nights.  That Wood Nymph will heal you to full health for free if you are
pure of heart.  Do any transactions at the City of Thieves and you become
evil.  Also you are asked that question at the beginning of the game. Go to
the Cathedral just west of your starting point and give alms for become pure
of heart.  

I don't know what I was thinking when I charged 100 gold for a healing
potion from the Bishop in the Cathedral.  And it only heals for 100 HP??!.
That's nuts!

Allan Chaney     

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:13 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC

> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:44:27 -0500
> From: "Allan Chaney" <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com>
> Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> COCO Folks,
>
> At the request of my kids, I recently unpacked my old Color Computer 3
after
> almost 20 years of deep storage.  I had mentioned to them that I
programmed
> a video game that was published and they wanted to play it.  Unbelievably
> after unpacking and cleaning everything the game still worked along with
the
> COCO3, Floppy Drive and Multi-Pack.
>
> The game I wrote is called "Paladin's Legacy" and it was published by
Sundog
> Systems in 1989. It is an RPG adventure/action game for COCO I,I and III
> with 64k and floppy drive.  I would like to preserve and run the game in a
> modern PC system using VCC Emulator.  After reading about VCC at
> vcc6809.bravehost.com, if I understand correctly, I should be able to run
my
> game on my Windows XP PC with VCC.  VCC will create a virtual disk that
> handles the floppy disk access from my game. However my problem is getting
> my game files transferred to a windows PC from the COCO.  The files that
> make up my game are almost all Binary (.bin) with a few basic files.  I
also
> still have the source files (.asc).  I don't have a PC with 5.25 floppy so
I
> am unable to use VCC to read the old Tandy Floppy Drive (assuming that
that
> is even possible).
>
> I visited www.thesvd.com  and found a product called SVD (Semi-Virtual
Disk)
> that will copy images of files/floppies from an old COCO to a modern
Windows
> PC over RS232 (or in my case a usb-RS232 converter).  I don't have a PC
with
> RS232 but apparently I can use a USB-RS232 converter.  
>
> My real question is if I buy SVD and copy the images of my game disks to
my
> PC, do you think VCC will run my game?  The game uses a lot of disk access
> since it's a two sided RPG.  The game requires you to flip the disk when
you
> enter cities and then flip back when you go back to the main world map.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
>
> Allan

Allan,

So you wrote Paladin's Legacy? Great game! I have a copy, and it still
works. I've never gotten anywhere close to solving it though. Ran into a
couple roadblocks ;-)

I was very impressed that you were able to create such a large, complex RPG
game on a Coco2. Very impressive.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT




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From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 15:08:40 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:08:40 -0600
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
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On Sep 11, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Allan Chaney wrote:
> Thanks for the info on Drivewire.  I'm going to give it a try.

DriveWire certainly is a very elegant, inexpensive solution.  Again,  
it'll only work for transferring non-copy protected disks that use the  
standard Disk Color BASIC format.  Also, when running programs from a  
Windows PC file server on the CoCo, the programs must use the standard  
disk I/O routines; some assembly programmers chose to write their own  
disk access routines, and these tend to break DriveWire.

There are a few other potential gotchas I'll warn you about from my  
own experience with the product:

1.  DriveWire comes with a floppy disk used to patch Disk BASIC to  
create the DriveWire DOS.  This requires you have an unaltered Disk  
BASIC ROM in your disk controller as the source.  A number of my disk  
controllers have altered ROM's to support double-sided disk drives.   
The DriveWire patch rejected these ROM's.

When the patching is finished, you'll have a DriveWire DOS diskette.   
When you power up the CoCo, you simply load and execute the DriveWire  
DOS program from the disk.  Simple as that.  If you ask Mark Marlette  
at Cloud 9 (the DriveWire vendor), they can also burn you an EPROM  
with the DriveWire DOS on it to insert in your disk controller--that  
makes it faster to boot into DriveWire.

2.  I've had great success with using USB-to-Serial adapters on a  
Windows PC, but not so on a Mac.  (In fact, I've only ever gotten  
DriveWire to half work on a Mac.)  It has been recommended to me that  
you avoid USB adapters with the Prolific chipset (which you'll find in  
just about every cheap USB adapter out there).  Instead, try to find  
one with an FTDI chipset.  For example, cable 'N' from this catalog  
page:
http://www.mouser.com/catalog/635/32.pdf

3.  One annoying thing with DriveWire DOS is that it runs your CoCo in  
double-speed mode (for faster serial I/O).  You have to remember to do  
a POKE 65496,0 after loading a CoCo I/II game to slow down the CPU.   
If the binary is auto-executing, well, then I guess you are stuck  
running the game in double-speed mode!

> The game that was published by Sundog Systems did contain copy  
> protection on
> the Player Disk side.  The City disk side of the floppy has not copy
> protection.  And of course I have a copy of the commercial version.   
> But I
> also have all of my unprotected copies with 5 years worth of  
> versions as I
> worked on the game.  Luckily I kept my final disks in a zip lock bag  
> along
> with the commercial version and the manual.  That really helped  
> preserve the
> disks.

It'll be good to have authentic, unprotected disks of the game.  That  
makes it so much easier to preserve the game (i.e. transfer onto new  
media) into the future.

The scans of the game manual will also be essential, given the  
complexity of the game. As I mentioned, I was sequentially hitting  
keys trying to figure out what they did!

I personally try to scan at 300 dpi for color, 600 dpi for black &  
white text.  I also prefer to retain lossless images.  I can then use  
these images as sources to create, say, compressed PDF's.  In the  
future, as document formats improve, one can then reuse the sources.   
It seems a good way to future proof one's archiving work.

-- JP



From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Thu Sep 11 16:25:34 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:25:34 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
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JP,

I was also able to get Paladin's Legacy running in VCC just as you and Joel
Ewy directed by using the coco_archive.iso.  I burned the iso image to CD,
pulled off 145AG_02.dsk and accessed the disk from VCC.  That's pretty cool.

Unfortunately, the colors are really out of wack.  If you choose N on the
"Do you have a color monitor?" question it only shows up in Black and White.
If you choose Y then the colors are messed up especially while looking at
the text.  

Is that a VCC limitation?

It's really too bad Side 2 of the disk was not imaged as well.  That would
have saved me a lot of trouble.

I also found the manual on the iso image at scans/manuals/pdf/paladin's
Legacy.pdf

They did a nice job of scanning the manual in scrollable book format.


Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of J.P. Samson
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:10 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC

On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:54 PM, J.P. Samson wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Joel Ewy wrote:
>> You might check out the disk image called coco_archive.iso on
>> ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/
>> This is of course a CD image, which is huge, and will have to be
>> downloaded and burned onto a CD.  It looks like there is a disk  
>> image of
>> Paladin's Legacy in there.
>
> So I'm not sure the image in that archive is functional, though I've  
> not yet tried it. It may be that Tim Lindner or Ken Carlin have the  
> original Paladin's Legacy disks in their to-do pile.

Okay, I tried the Paladin disk image in that collection on VCC.

Seems to run okay.  I don't have instructions on how to play the  
game.  Randomly running around and hitting keys, it did ask for a  
"city disk" at one point.  Since there don't appear to be any  
additional disks available in this collection, my attempt to enter the  
city failed.

-- JP


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From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:50:29 -0600
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
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References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>
	<48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>	<3C454E89-D109-491D-AD25-B4720835FE0E@gmail.com>
	<21CBD4F2-0DF5-4DCD-A1AB-53E464F1BDBC@gmail.com>
	<006f01c9144c$8c1a65a0$a44f30e0$@com>
Message-ID: <59F4A030-A826-4563-9EA3-91C78EBD3A05@gmail.com>

On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Allan Chaney wrote:
> Unfortunately, the colors are really out of wack.  If you choose N  
> on the
> "Do you have a color monitor?" question it only shows up in Black  
> and White.
> If you choose Y then the colors are messed up especially while  
> looking at
> the text.
>
> Is that a VCC limitation?

Yes, but it's also a "limitation" of the CoCo 3 RGB monitor.  I  
suspect if I ran the game on a real CoCo 3 with an RGB monitor, it  
would look just as... colorful.

To create a CoCo 3 RGB monitor version, I imagine what you did was  
switch from PMODE 4 graphics to PMODE 3 with the color registers set  
to white, blue, red, and black.  This was the quick and dirty way to  
get an approximation of the artifact colors on a CoCo 3.  But as you  
can see, it looks very ugly.  Indeed, the Paladin manual suggests  
running the game in the black & white mode to make the text more  
readable!


> It's really too bad Side 2 of the disk was not imaged as well.  That  
> would
> have saved me a lot of trouble.

The Sundog games were pretty widely distributed, and were still being  
sold at the beginning of this decade.  The guy who had the rights (Jim  
Davis) completely vanished from the CoCo scene several years back.  As  
far as I know, no one was ever able to contact him again, and so he  
took all the game masters with him.  Dunno if Glen Dahlgren ever kept  
any masters, although I think he is still active in the video game  
industry.

Anyway, the point being that someone who's still active in the CoCo  
community probably has copies of Paladin and who might be in a better  
position (equipment-wise) to get them onto a PC.

As I mentioned, Tim Lindner (tlinder [at] macmess [dot] org) and  
Andrew Ayres (keeper63 [at] cox [dot] net) are the two behind the  
archive you've been accessing.  I suggest you contact them by e-mail  
and see if either has the original Paladin disc.  They could then very  
quickly make a copy of the unprotected city disk onto a PC.

Also, join the forums on coco3.com.  There are some collectors there,  
too, who don't read this e-mail list.  One of them may have a disk  
image on their PC's.


> I also found the manual on the iso image at scans/manuals/pdf/ 
> paladin's
> Legacy.pdf
>
> They did a nice job of scanning the manual in scrollable book format.


The advert for the game is at the back of the manual, and I sure do  
remember that from the Rainbow days.  (I'm afraid I wasn't one of your  
customers, so I've only ever gotten to see a little of your game for  
the first time in the past day, Allan!)

-- JP



From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 18:03:14 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:03:14 -0600
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <006f01c9144c$8c1a65a0$a44f30e0$@com>
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>
	<48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>	<3C454E89-D109-491D-AD25-B4720835FE0E@gmail.com>
	<21CBD4F2-0DF5-4DCD-A1AB-53E464F1BDBC@gmail.com>
	<006f01c9144c$8c1a65a0$a44f30e0$@com>
Message-ID: <296502E5-E184-497A-9F60-1E1A38786562@gmail.com>

On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Allan Chaney wrote:
> Unfortunately, the colors are really out of wack.  If you choose N  
> on the
> "Do you have a color monitor?" question it only shows up in Black  
> and White.
> If you choose Y then the colors are messed up especially while  
> looking at
> the text.

I've played around with the various VCC and Paladin options.  Try this:

Set VCC to emulate a composite monitor (under the menu Configuration- 
 >Config, Display tab).

Run Paladin and say no ('N') to the question, "Do you have an RGB  
monitor?"

This seems to render the colors quite a bit better than setting VCC  
and Paladin to run in RGB mode.

--JP



From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Thu Sep 11 20:24:25 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:24:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <296502E5-E184-497A-9F60-1E1A38786562@gmail.com>
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>	<48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>	<3C454E89-D109-491D-AD25-B4720835FE0E@gmail.com>	<21CBD4F2-0DF5-4DCD-A1AB-53E464F1BDBC@gmail.com>	<006f01c9144c$8c1a65a0$a44f30e0$@com>
	<296502E5-E184-497A-9F60-1E1A38786562@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c9146d$ea1e87f0$be5b97d0$@com>

JP,

WOW.  That is a lot better.  Really.... it looks as good as it does on the
actual COCO hooked up to my LCD TV over composite connections.  That does
it.  It's perfect!

I never had a composite monitor when I used the COCO in the past.  I always
used to have a TV hooked up to my COCO using the RF connection.

I'm going to contact those folks you mentioned who are involved in archiving
this stuff although I did already send a request to Cloud9 to buy Drivewire
2.0 (which comes with the  serial cable).  The Player Disk copy that is
already archived is the copy protected version because that initial ASC
character splash screen is the Sundog Copy protection screen.  That screen
does not exist on my versions which do not have floppy disk copy protection.

One other question I have is how is .dsk disk image created?  Assuming I am
able to get Drivewire 2.0 working, it occurred to me that just having the
files on my PC will not really do it.  I assume for VCC to function
correctly with the game, when you enter cities and when you exit cities, you
will have to pretend like you are flipping the disk by choosing the
Cartridge menu, Drive 0, Eject and then Insert (then selecting the .dsk file
of the City Disk).

Does that sound correct and if that is the case, how does one create a .dsk
file of an entire floppy disk?

Thanks a ton for all of your help on this.  It is very much appreciated.

Glen Dahlgren and I were very good friends while I was working on this game.
We would talk for hours and hours on the phone while in college.  He ran
Sundog out of his college dorm room.  He was a wonderful guy, a real
pleasure to work with and in my opinion he was a genius coder.  I have
followed his name over the years still in the gaming industry.  Very
impressive.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of J.P. Samson
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:03 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC

On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Allan Chaney wrote:
> Unfortunately, the colors are really out of wack.  If you choose N  
> on the
> "Do you have a color monitor?" question it only shows up in Black  
> and White.
> If you choose Y then the colors are messed up especially while  
> looking at
> the text.

I've played around with the various VCC and Paladin options.  Try this:

Set VCC to emulate a composite monitor (under the menu Configuration- 
 >Config, Display tab).

Run Paladin and say no ('N') to the question, "Do you have an RGB  
monitor?"

This seems to render the colors quite a bit better than setting VCC  
and Paladin to run in RGB mode.

--JP


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From tlindner at macmess.org  Thu Sep 11 20:40:16 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:40:16 -0700
Subject: [Coco] cocomag project: Questions for the users
Message-ID: <1in465x.1c7eni615v40r3M%tlindner@macmess.org>

[Quick: I am running the cocomag project. It assembles volunteers (like
yourself), to help bring Color Computer Magazines to the web. See the
project here: <http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml>]

I have a questions for the users:

Currently the system is set up to require the second check to have no
changes from the first before accepting the task as complete.

If there was a change on the second check, an additional check will be
required.

I feel this is slowing down the project, but it tends to improve the
results.

What do you think is the proper way to handle this?

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 21:17:29 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:17:29 -0600
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c9146d$ea1e87f0$be5b97d0$@com>
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>	<48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>	<3C454E89-D109-491D-AD25-B4720835FE0E@gmail.com>	<21CBD4F2-0DF5-4DCD-A1AB-53E464F1BDBC@gmail.com>	<006f01c9144c$8c1a65a0$a44f30e0$@com>
	<296502E5-E184-497A-9F60-1E1A38786562@gmail.com>
	<00ad01c9146d$ea1e87f0$be5b97d0$@com>
Message-ID: <135EBE92-37D2-4A14-9D8F-DC42F74865C9@gmail.com>

> The Player Disk copy that is
> already archived is the copy protected version because that initial  
> ASC
> character splash screen is the Sundog Copy protection screen.  That  
> screen
> does not exist on my versions which do not have floppy disk copy  
> protection.

Then I'm guessing that somebody has cracked the copy protection and  
has created an unprotected version, and this is what we've found in  
the archive.

> One other question I have is how is .dsk disk image created?   
> Assuming I am
> able to get Drivewire 2.0 working, it occurred to me that just  
> having the
> files on my PC will not really do it.  I assume for VCC to function
> correctly with the game, when you enter cities and when you exit  
> cities, you
> will have to pretend like you are flipping the disk by choosing the
> Cartridge menu, Drive 0, Eject and then Insert (then selecting  
> the .dsk file
> of the City Disk).

Unless I'm missing something, I haven't actually noticed a way to  
easily create blank disk images in VCC or in DriveWire Server for  
Windows.  Seems like an obvious function!
VCC and DriveWire can both use the same CoCo disk image format--that  
is, disk images are completely compatible and interchangeable between  
the two.

What I use to create CoCo disk images and copy files into them is a  
command-line toolset called ToolShed.  You can download this free  
software from here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=7193&package_id=246657

Then I'd type a command such as:
decb dskini blank.dsk

This creates a blank, initialized CoCo disk image with the filename  
"blank.dsk".  You could now attach this disk image to VCC or to  
DriveWire Server.  Doing a DIR in VCC or on your CoCo hooked up using  
DriveWire would show the contents of the disk image (nothing at this  
point since it is an empty image).  You could now copy files, etc.  
into this disk image file using VCC or your real CoCo.

(Another option is to just take an existing disk image on your Windows  
PC, make a backup copy, attach this to VCC, and do a DSKINI.  Now you  
have a blank disk image to work with!)

-- JP



From Gary.Becker at amd.com  Thu Sep 11 21:32:56 2008
From: Gary.Becker at amd.com (Becker, Gary)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:32:56 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Serial Mouse
Message-ID: <7D748C767B7FA541A8AC5504A4C89A2307DC9EBA@SAUSEXMB2.amd.com>

I hate to post this question on this forum, but I do not know where else
to find answers.

 

I am trying to get a Microsoft type serial mouse working with NitrOS-9
using the JoyDrv_6551M.sb driver. At first, it seems to work, but within
15 seconds the mouse would freeze, never to start working again unit I
rebooted. I looked through the code and noticed the UART initialization
is set to 8 bits. That is correct for a Logitech type serial mouse, but
the Microsoft type uses 7 bit communication. I fixed this issue and now
it runs for almost a minute before locking up. I am pretty sure there is
some type of communication error and the system cannot recover from the
error.

 

My question, is anyone using this driver with a Deluxe RS-232 Pak? If
so, do you see any of the same behavior?

 

Gary Becker

 



From keeper63 at cox.net  Thu Sep 11 21:44:03 2008
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:44:03 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1221141609.12980.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.19.1221141609.12980.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48C9C963.5010008@cox.net>

All,

Allan got in contact with me about the missing disk on the archive - 
unfortunately, if the city disk isn't in the archive, it likely isn't 
something that I have. I may have sent it to Tim, or it may have been 
overwritten by Carey a long time ago (long before I received the archive).

Unless I have it in another archive, or can otherwise locate it, I am 
not sure what to do. I have asked if Allan would send me physical 
copies, but if it actually has copy protection, there isn't much I can 
do with it (maybe, maybe not).

Does anyone out there have both sides of the game - or DSK images? If I 
could get DSK images (from someone else or make them myself), then I 
could possibly create a nice archive (does anyone know if it exists 
-anywhere- on some archive or such?)...

It will be interesting to see where this all goes...

Thank you everyone - and Roger, good luck!

-- Andrew Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Sep 11 22:34:46 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Serial Mouse
In-Reply-To: <7D748C767B7FA541A8AC5504A4C89A2307DC9EBA@SAUSEXMB2.amd.com>
References: <7D748C767B7FA541A8AC5504A4C89A2307DC9EBA@SAUSEXMB2.amd.com>
Message-ID: <200809112234.46972.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 11 September 2008, Becker, Gary wrote:
>I hate to post this question on this forum, but I do not know where else
>to find answers.
>
>
>
>I am trying to get a Microsoft type serial mouse working with NitrOS-9
>using the JoyDrv_6551M.sb driver. At first, it seems to work, but within
>15 seconds the mouse would freeze, never to start working again unit I
>rebooted. I looked through the code and noticed the UART initialization
>is set to 8 bits. That is correct for a Logitech type serial mouse, but
>the Microsoft type uses 7 bit communication. I fixed this issue and now
>it runs for almost a minute before locking up. I am pretty sure there is
>some type of communication error and the system cannot recover from the
>error.

There is an init error in the 3.2.6 code, and possibly in the cvs code, that I 
think I have fixed.

Comment; I think you'll find the M$ mouse is also an 8 bit mouse because it 
sends 2 stop bits, a 7n2 data format.  Just like the logitek, which is what 
I'm using.

I have walked around in that code somewhat, and have managed to put together a 
driver that auto switches modes the first time it gets the 4th data packet 
the logitek uses for the middle button on a 3 button mouse.

That code was sent upstream to go into the cvs, but I have NDI if it has 
actually been accepted.

If you can handle a copy of the srcs and the module I have at your private 
address, I'll fwd them.  I know it works for the logitek "DexXa" mouse I have 
and it should work with the M$ mouse of that same vintage also.

One caveat, my rs232 pack is a home made dual pack, with the 2nd chipset 
addressed at $FF6C, whereas the std rs232 pack is accessed at $FF68.  So 
you'll need to fix that src back to $FF68 & rebuild, or do the piggy back 2nd 
channel, its pretty easily done.

>My question, is anyone using this driver with a Deluxe RS-232 Pak? If
>so, do you see any of the same behavior?

That is what prompted me do dig into it in the first place, Gary.

>Gary Becker
>
>
>
>
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From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 22:54:47 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:54:47 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <48C9C963.5010008@cox.net>
References: <mailman.19.1221141609.12980.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<48C9C963.5010008@cox.net>
Message-ID: <6677C228-7F8D-4CA8-B39B-D9BAEF5E9E9D@gmail.com>

On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Andrew wrote:
> Allan got in contact with me about the missing disk on the archive -  
> unfortunately, if the city disk isn't in the archive, it likely  
> isn't something that I have. I may have sent it to Tim, or it may  
> have been overwritten by Carey a long time ago (long before I  
> received the archive).
>
> Does anyone out there have both sides of the game - or DSK images?  
> If I could get DSK images (from someone else or make them myself),  
> then I could possibly create a nice archive (does anyone know if it  
> exists -anywhere- on some archive or such?)...

Just as a bit of a follow-up for everyone, since some of this  
discussion is happening off-list in an e-mail exchange...

It sounds like Tim Lindner has DMK images of Paladin.  We still have  
to see if these DMK images will work.  Like Andrew, my preference is  
to get DSK (aka JVC) versions for compatibility with emulators and  
other CoCo tools.

-- JP



From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 11 22:58:18 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:58:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Color Computer Clipboard Disk Magazine 1989 Archive
Message-ID: <704812.44390.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is the 1989 Color Computer Clipboard Disk Magazine Archive. It was a bi-monthly disk magazine. As before the link is to a text file with the download links inside.

Thanks go out to a to be un-named list member who sent me a large batch of floppys that I am converting to .dsk images for the archives. This is the 1st batch there is more on the way.

http://rapidshare.com/files/144550452/Coco_Clipboard_1989.rar



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From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep 11 23:19:54 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:19:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] cocomag project: Questions for the users
In-Reply-To: <1in465x.1c7eni615v40r3M%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <1in465x.1c7eni615v40r3M%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <48C9DFDA.1000408@swbell.net>

tim lindner wrote:
> [Quick: I am running the cocomag project. It assembles volunteers (like
> yourself), to help bring Color Computer Magazines to the web. See the
> project here: <http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml>]
>
> I have a questions for the users:
>
> Currently the system is set up to require the second check to have no
> changes from the first before accepting the task as complete.
>
> If there was a change on the second check, an additional check will be
> required.
>
> I feel this is slowing down the project, but it tends to improve the
> results.
>
> What do you think is the proper way to handle this?
>
>   
I'd say that's generally what we want, but maybe it can be made more
explicit whether one is looking at a second check or the first check.  I
might fiddle around with spaces and whatnot just to make it look better,
but I might be less inclined to mess around with trivial things if I
knew it was the final check, and just let it go through if there weren't
any real errors.  I dunno.

JCE



From tlindner at macmess.org  Thu Sep 11 23:33:11 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:33:11 -0700
Subject: [Coco] cocomag project: Questions for the users
In-Reply-To: <48C9DFDA.1000408@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <1in4e6e.ie810u5hpkq0M%tlindner@macmess.org>

Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:

> I'd say that's generally what we want, but maybe it can be made more
> explicit whether one is looking at a second check or the first check.  I
> might fiddle around with spaces and whatnot just to make it look better,
> but I might be less inclined to mess around with trivial things if I
> knew it was the final check, and just let it go through if there weren't
> any real errors.  I dunno.

I have to admit I do this now. But only becuase I know the secret. :)
I'll put an explicit message as to which check it is. But here is the
secret:

View the source of the web page, and look for an hidden for field titled
"job". If the value is "A/..." then it is a first check, if it is
"B/..." then it is a second check.

I'll prolly remove this in a later version of the software. Letting the
client handle state is a security risk.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep 11 23:41:49 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:41:49 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Anybody Remember GOSUB International?
Message-ID: <48C9E4FD.70907@swbell.net>

This spring I found a whole bunch of CoCo cassette stuff at the local
Salvation Army thrift store.  This included 2 years of Chromassette and
two other cassette albums with 12 cassettes each.  There are 4 games
from Spectral Associates, a couple from Aardvark, and three from "GOSUB
International, Wichita, KS."  The GOSUB games are "Space Merchant",
"Warrior", and "Yahtzee".  Each of these has a dot-matrix-printed
cassette label, and the word "master" written on them in felt-tipped
pen.  I live near Wichita, and I'm sure from some of the other
documentation that came with the stuff that this collection of goodies
came from Wichita.

What does anyone remember about "GOSUB International"?  Does anyone else
remember these games?  Suppose these might be the duplication masters? 
I don't see any of them mentioned on Boyle's list.

JCE



From operator at coco3.com  Thu Sep 11 23:39:42 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <200809110104421.SM00260@[63.69.23.239]>
References: <200809110104421.SM00260@[63.69.23.239]>
Message-ID: <20080912034054.9132F20A36@qs281.pair.com>

At 12:04 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger Taylor operator at coco3.com
> >Sent 9/10/2008 11:33:40 PM
> >To: cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
> >Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
> >
> >Hurricane Ike is now predicted to rise possibly to a cat 4 beast, and
> >the new predicted paths come right over coco3.com in East
> >Texas. Hopefully by then it will be a tropical storm, but who knows
> >what the thing will do. I think the fear won't *completely* kick in
> >until the eye hits the shore, which it IS going to do. This area is
> >also part of tornado alley I'm told.
> >
> >I'm going to get my kids out of town sometime this weekend for
> >safety. But I'll come back and ofcourse UPS will demand that even if
> >hellfire was falling from the sky WHILE the eye of the hurricane at
> >100mph was passing over our city, that I *still* be at work ontime
> >and ready to deliver Next Day Air packages no matter what.
> >
> >This is going to be very .... interesting, and scary. Because we're
> >like a big family here in the CoCo world, I know some of you would
> >like to hear the daily buzz on this thing as it passes through.
> >
> >
>
>I believe every word of it....
>in 2005, when Wilma passed through S. Florida, I was awaiting an 
>iPod from AmEx, from points.
>Well, I never got it, and UPS listed it as "left at front door," on 
>the day Wilma passed through!
>
>Now, who in their right mind would leave a small box like that, with 
>70+MPH winds rocking around,
>I have no idea - I figured maybe he left it at the wrong address, 
>and they were enjoying a new iPod!


As long as the delivery trucks can get around the packages will come off.
Rain = no problem (all trucks have large plastic bags)
Wind = wedge the package or put something on top of it (nondamaging).




From gmajor at videotron.ca  Thu Sep 11 23:44:36 2008
From: gmajor at videotron.ca (Guillaume Major)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:44:36 -0400
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com><8F12725E-7754-4B52-B064-5159505FF836@gmail.com>
	<004701c91435$60801a00$21804e00$@com>
Message-ID: <gacoj7$o6n$1@ger.gmane.org>

I have a copy of Paladin's Legacy that works in emulators. I think I got it 
from Briza.
You can download it from my web site at: 
http://goyim.dyndns.org:8080/coco/games/
It only seems to work on a coco 3 thought.

Guillaume


"Allan Chaney" <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com> 
wrote in message news:004701c91435$60801a00$21804e00$@com...
> JP,
>
> Thanks for the info on Drivewire.  I'm going to give it a try.
>
> The game that was published by Sundog Systems did contain copy protection 
> on
> the Player Disk side.  The City disk side of the floppy has not copy
> protection.  And of course I have a copy of the commercial version.  But I
> also have all of my unprotected copies with 5 years worth of versions as I
> worked on the game.  Luckily I kept my final disks in a zip lock bag along
> with the commercial version and the manual.  That really helped preserve 
> the
> disks.  I have about 100 disks that were not "zip locked" that contains 
> the
> source code.  Most of these disks are unusable.
>
> The file formats are all standard .bin with 3 small files in Basic.  I 
> wrote
> the entire game in 6809 assembly using Edtasm+.  Well I originally wrote 
> it
> in Basic, realized that wasn't going to work and then spent about 3 years
> converting the whole thing into Assembly while in college.
>
> My goal is to get the game up and running in Emulation and release it to
> Public Domain.  It's certainly not worth anything except of course to me
> personally and people nostalgic for retro gaming.
>
> I'll keep in touch as I progress.
>
> Allan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of J.P. Samson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:07 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
>
> Another option for getting the game into your Windows PC is to use
> DriveWire:
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~mmarlette/Cloud-9/Software/DriveWire.html
>
> It'll let you hook up your CoCo to a PC via a serial port (using a
> Serial-to-USB converter if necessary).  The PC then becomes a file
> server for the CoCo.  You can copy files from floppy disks through the
> CoCo onto the PC and vice versa.
>
> The big issues are whether your original floppy disks containing the
> game are copy protected, and if you used a non-standard format for
> storing data on the disks (e.g. abnormal sector sizes).  In these
> cases, it is a bigger challenge getting the game onto a Windows PC and
> working in an emulator.
>
> There are some other options, such as hooking up a 5 1/4" 360k-
> compatible floppy drive into your PC and using some CoCo-oriented disk
> copying utilities.  I'm not familiar with what this involves.
>
> I'm sure somebody out there has tried exactly what you want to do, so
> someone may even have Windows PC disk images ready to go.  The VCC
> emulator is usually pretty good for compatibility, but I've found that
> not everything will run in it.  All you can do is try--either it'll
> work or it won't!  I wish it did a better job with color artifacting
> (like the Java-based Mocha CoCo I/II emulator).  And yes, VCC will let
> you "flip" disk images on the fly, as you require--disk access
> shouldn't be an issue.
>
> You may also wish to consider releasing your game into the public
> domain as some authors have now done.  (See
> http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/approvals/approvals.html)
>
> -- JP
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Allan Chaney wrote:
>> The game I wrote is called "Paladin's Legacy" and it was published
>> by Sundog
>> Systems in 1989. It is an RPG adventure/action game for COCO I,I and
>> III
>> with 64k and floppy drive.  I would like to preserve and run the
>> game in a
>> modern PC system using VCC Emulator.  After reading about VCC at
>> vcc6809.bravehost.com, if I understand correctly, I should be able
>> to run my
>> game on my Windows XP PC with VCC.  VCC will create a virtual disk
>> that
>> handles the floppy disk access from my game. However my problem is
>> getting
>> my game files transferred to a windows PC from the COCO.  The files
>> that
>> make up my game are almost all Binary (.bin) with a few basic
>> files.  I also
>> still have the source files (.asc).  I don't have a PC with 5.25
>> floppy so I
>> am unable to use VCC to read the old Tandy Floppy Drive (assuming
>> that that
>> is even possible).
>>
>> I visited www.thesvd.com  and found a product called SVD (Semi-
>> Virtual Disk)
>> that will copy images of files/floppies from an old COCO to a modern
>> Windows
>> PC over RS232 (or in my case a usb-RS232 converter).  I don't have a
>> PC with
>> RS232 but apparently I can use a USB-RS232 converter.
>>
>> My real question is if I buy SVD and copy the images of my game
>> disks to my
>> PC, do you think VCC will run my game?  The game uses a lot of disk
>> access
>> since it's a two sided RPG.  The game requires you to flip the disk
>> when you
>> enter cities and then flip back when you go back to the main world
>> map.
>
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From operator at coco3.com  Thu Sep 11 23:53:57 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:53:57 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <200809110018.18098.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>
	<200809110018.18098.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20080912035421.C270320A33@qs281.pair.com>

At 11:18 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote:
>On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Roger Taylor wrote:
> >Hurricane Ike is now predicted to rise possibly to a cat 4 beast, and
> >the new predicted paths come right over coco3.com in East
> >Texas.  Hopefully by then it will be a tropical storm, but who knows
> >what the thing will do.  I think the fear won't *completely* kick in
> >until the eye hits the shore, which it IS going to do.  This area is
> >also part of tornado alley I'm told.
> >
> >I'm going to get my kids out of town sometime this weekend for
> >safety.  But I'll come back and ofcourse UPS will demand that even if
> >hellfire was falling from the sky WHILE the eye of the hurricane at
> >100mph was passing over our city, that I *still* be at work ontime
> >and ready to deliver Next Day Air packages no matter what.
> >
> >This is going to be very .... interesting, and scary.  Because we're
> >like a big family here in the CoCo world, I know some of you would
> >like to hear the daily buzz on this thing as it passes through.
> >
>Where are you from C.C.?  I have a handicapped (ms, middle stages, 
>gets around
>on an electric scooter) friend in a trailer/rv park there.

I live in North East Texas, actually.  The eye which will ofcourse 
spread out by the time it gets this far up is still shown to come 
through this area, so I'm not writing off the possibility of 
seriously high winds that will have us without power for a 
while.   South Texans are already up here, the Wal-Marts are jammed 
in the isles, and you can't find any common emergency supplies on the 
shelves.  However, I got lucky and grabbed the last 4 propane tanks 
(the mini ones) and a lot of D batteries I found at 1 out of about 8 
Dollar General stores in this area.  Wal-Mart hasn't had D batteries 
since Gustuv.  I've got all forms of light covered in case the power 
goes out.  Tomorrow I'll fuel the car up to the brim and cap it off 
daily in case for some odd reason I have to hit the road and get 
outta here for a bit.

But then again, maybe we'll just experience some Dew ??!







From johnguin at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 11 23:55:59 2008
From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:55:59 -0700
Subject: [Coco] cocomag project: Questions for the users
In-Reply-To: <1in4e6e.ie810u5hpkq0M%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <48C9DFDA.1000408@swbell.net>
	<1in4e6e.ie810u5hpkq0M%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <BAY138-DS68F6F734E7E5809F67E08D9510@phx.gbl>

I'd rather have the second set of eyes on the output.  Just seems like the
final results would be worth it.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of tim lindner
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:33 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] cocomag project: Questions for the users

Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:

> I'd say that's generally what we want, but maybe it can be made more
> explicit whether one is looking at a second check or the first check.  I
> might fiddle around with spaces and whatnot just to make it look better,
> but I might be less inclined to mess around with trivial things if I
> knew it was the final check, and just let it go through if there weren't
> any real errors.  I dunno.

I have to admit I do this now. But only becuase I know the secret. :)
I'll put an explicit message as to which check it is. But here is the
secret:

View the source of the web page, and look for an hidden for field titled
"job". If the value is "A/..." then it is a first check, if it is
"B/..." then it is a second check.

I'll prolly remove this in a later version of the software. Letting the
client handle state is a security risk.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright

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From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Sep 12 00:04:48 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:04:48 -0500
Subject: [Coco] cocomag project: Questions for the users
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-DS68F6F734E7E5809F67E08D9510@phx.gbl>
References: <48C9DFDA.1000408@swbell.net>	<1in4e6e.ie810u5hpkq0M%tlindner@macmess.org>
	<BAY138-DS68F6F734E7E5809F67E08D9510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48C9EA60.1020903@swbell.net>

John wrote:
> I'd rather have the second set of eyes on the output.  Just seems like the
> final results would be worth it.
>
>   

I think there always is a second.  It's just that if you change it at
all in the second check it goes back in for a third or more, until
nobody changes anything, IIUC.

JCE

> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of tim lindner
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:33 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] cocomag project: Questions for the users
>
> Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> I'd say that's generally what we want, but maybe it can be made more
>> explicit whether one is looking at a second check or the first check.  I
>> might fiddle around with spaces and whatnot just to make it look better,
>> but I might be less inclined to mess around with trivial things if I
>> knew it was the final check, and just let it go through if there weren't
>> any real errors.  I dunno.
>>     
>
> I have to admit I do this now. But only becuase I know the secret. :)
> I'll put an explicit message as to which check it is. But here is the
> secret:
>
> View the source of the web page, and look for an hidden for field titled
> "job". If the value is "A/..." then it is a first check, if it is
> "B/..." then it is a second check.
>
> I'll prolly remove this in a later version of the software. Letting the
> client handle state is a security risk.
>
>   



From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 00:08:37 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:08:37 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <48C9C963.5010008@cox.net>
References: <mailman.19.1221141609.12980.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<48C9C963.5010008@cox.net>
Message-ID: <50D7F9A7-1738-4383-A49B-AE635F7E1D89@gmail.com>

On Sep 11, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Allan Chaney wrote:
> My goal is to get the game up and running in Emulation and release  
> it to
> Public Domain.  It's certainly not worth anything except of course  
> to me
> personally and people nostalgic for retro gaming.


With the help of Tim Lindner, it looks like we have fully working DSK  
disk images of Paladin's Legacy that are compatible with the VCC  
emulator.  Oh, and I see Guillaume (through Briza) has managed to dig  
up a copy, too!

What I would like to see, Allan willing, is a nice archive put  
together containing the game, manuals, etc.

Some of the available assets might include:
Original copy-protected version of the commercial game disks (DMK  
format).
Unprotected version of the commercial game disks (DSK format).
Unprotected version with Allan's final build (DSK format).
Scan of the manual (high quality/resolution).
Scan of the Sundog advert for the game.
Scan of the review from the Rainbow (if there is one).
Copy of the original source code of Allan's final build.

This is one of these rare cases where the assembly source code still  
known to exist.  Not that anyone is gonna be digging through that  
(unless they are really desperate to cheat at playing the game)!

I can certainly do any scanning required, if given access to the  
original sources.  I don't have a real CoCo set up right now to copy  
floppy disks, however.

-- JP



From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au  Fri Sep 12 00:34:48 2008
From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
Message-ID: <880191.1474.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Andrew and Fellow Coconuts.

The Archive Tim did, indeed it does have a Paladin's Legacy disks copies that had Copy Protection, Plus a Non copy-protected versions that I remember but not 100% certain tho, As I tested the images in Mess and then made new images using the Rsdos Backup command in Mess.
?I'll take a look through my Games archive set and see if I can locate the non protected stuff again and hopefully I do have them still.

laters

Briza





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From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep 12 00:35:12 2008
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com
In-Reply-To: <20080912035421.C270320A33@qs281.pair.com>
References: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>	<200809110018.18098.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<20080912035421.C270320A33@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <48C9F180.2060506@embarqmail.com>

Roger Taylor wrote:
>> on an electric scooter) friend in a trailer/rv park there.
> 
> I live in North East Texas, actually.  The eye which will ofcourse 
> spread out by the time it gets this far up is still shown to come 
> through this area, so I'm not writing off the possibility of seriously 
> high winds that will have us without power for a while.   South Texans 
> are already up here, the Wal-Marts are jammed in the isles, and you 
> can't find any common emergency supplies on the shelves.  However, I got 
> lucky and grabbed the last 4 propane tanks (the mini ones) and a lot of 
> D batteries I found at 1 out of about 8 Dollar General stores in this 
> area.  Wal-Mart hasn't had D batteries since Gustuv.  I've got all forms 
> of light covered in case the power goes out.  Tomorrow I'll fuel the car 
> up to the brim and cap it off daily in case for some odd reason I have 
> to hit the road and get outta here for a bit.
> 
> But then again, maybe we'll just experience some Dew ??!

I live between Conroe and Hempstead. It looks like  the eye will pass 
over ,my house with winds about 65 mph.

I started to drive fown to Tomball after lunch.About 3 blocks outside of 
town I noticed the string of bumper to bumper cars going the other way. 
Suddenly it dawned om me it would be easy to get down but 3 to 4 hours 
to come the 16 miles back. Took the first U turn and hunkered down at 
the house.

I think the constables directing traffic cause most of the bottle necks.

Daughter tells me that there is no tuna, potted meats, water chips   on 
  the shelves.

Dave


From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Fri Sep 12 00:53:32 2008
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:53:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1221192524.90540.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.3.1221192524.90540.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48C9F5CB.8040605@usfamily.net>

> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:08:37 -0600
> From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <50D7F9A7-1738-4383-A49B-AE635F7E1D89 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> What I would like to see, Allan willing, is a nice archive put  
> together containing the game, manuals, etc.
>
> Some of the available assets might include:
> Original copy-protected version of the commercial game disks (DMK  
> format).
> Unprotected version of the commercial game disks (DSK format).
> Unprotected version with Allan's final build (DSK format).
> Scan of the manual (high quality/resolution).
> Scan of the Sundog advert for the game.
> Scan of the review from the Rainbow (if there is one).


The Review of Paladin's Legacy was in the June 1990 issue of Rainbow, page 74.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT




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From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Fri Sep 12 01:06:34 2008
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:06:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14.1221180018.71405.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.14.1221180018.71405.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48C9F8D8.6020603@usfamily.net>

> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:34 -0500
> From: "Allan Chaney" <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <004901c91437$97572f80$c6058e80$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Fred,
>
> Thanks for the compliment.  Yes I wrote it on a COCO II and then sent it off
> to Sundog in the fall of 1988.  Glen Dahlgren with Sundog loved the game but
> wanted me to get it running on the COCO3 as well and to keep it under 64k so
> it would work on all COCO models.  It took me an entire year to not only get
> it running on the COCO 3 but to get it polished enough for commercial
> release and to convert my then basic disk I/O into assembly.  I finished it
> just in time for Christmas 1989.  That experience convinced me NOT to pursue
> computer programming as a career but to keep it as a loved hobby.
> 
> Anyway....if you decide to play the game again.  I can tell you everything
> you could possibly want to know.  I have also scanned the manual in case you
> or anyone else wants it.
>
> I just replayed the game for the first time in almost 20 years and I was
> shocked how hard it was just getting started with a new character.  So just
> a tip....when you role your character max out your strength and Dexterity
> and don't worry about intelligence and Wisdom. You can increase those when
> you find Black Boxes in the Mines.  Also hit that first Human City and buy a
> weapon and armor and Wear and Arm yourself to improve your AC and WC.
> Another huge tip is....Just west of the starting location in the game,
> through the thick forest is the Elven City of Elm.  In the upper right
> corner of that city are a couple of elves hanging out by a fire.  Talk to
> one and he tells you of a Wood Nymph that comes out on the darkest of
> nights.  That Wood Nymph will heal you to full health for free if you are
> pure of heart.  Do any transactions at the City of Thieves and you become
> evil.  Also you are asked that question at the beginning of the game. Go to
> the Cathedral just west of your starting point and give alms for become pure
> of heart.  
>
> I don't know what I was thinking when I charged 100 gold for a healing
> potion from the Bishop in the Cathedral.  And it only heals for 100 HP??!.
> That's nuts!
>
> Allan Chaney     


Allan,

Thank you for your offer of help with the game! I already have the manual, so I'm already set there. Thanks for the tips! I think the main stumbling block I faced, if I remember correctly, was that there were certain dungeons that I had to get to in order to progress further in the game, which were inaccessible without acquiring a special pair of boots to cross some certain terrain. The boots were only to be found in the City of Theives. Once going there, I would become evil and I would eventually die due to damage inflicted during encounters with creatures, since I was unable to heal myself at the Wood Nymph anymore since I was no longer pure in heart :-(

Fred Provoncha




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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 02:36:54 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:36:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  Broken CC3
Message-ID: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>

Darn,

 My CNC coco broke.

 It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports 
correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.

 I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.

I tried other boot disks with the same results.
I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge 
connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and 
all gives the same results.

 Suggestions?


George 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 03:11:00 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:11:00 -0500
Subject: [Coco]   Broken CC3
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <006201c914a6$b67494b0$d4b1b1d8@house>

By the way..

 Since I had it down and open, I took photos.
 There was someone, months ago, that indicated an interest in how I repacked 
that coco.
 As I get a chance, I will updated the Coco CNC pages to reflect this.

 This site is still unchanged but for those that wish to see it....

http://coco.thetinbox.com

George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:36 AM
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3


> Darn,
>
> My CNC coco broke.
>
> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports 
> correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>
> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>
> I tried other boot disks with the same results.
> I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge 
> connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and 
> all gives the same results.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
> George
>
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From mdelyea at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 03:16:51 2008
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:16:51 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
In-Reply-To: <006201c914a6$b67494b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<006201c914a6$b67494b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80809120016o7fc0dea5gf6cea9dfedb0cf2e@mail.gmail.com>

Could it possibly be the drive itself?

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:11 AM, George Ramsower
<georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
> By the way..
>
> Since I had it down and open, I took photos.
> There was someone, months ago, that indicated an interest in how I repacked
> that coco.
> As I get a chance, I will updated the Coco CNC pages to reflect this.
>
> This site is still unchanged but for those that wish to see it....
>
> http://coco.thetinbox.com
>
> George
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ramsower"
> <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:36 AM
> Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
>
>
>> Darn,
>>
>> My CNC coco broke.
>>
>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>> correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>
>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>
>> I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>> I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>> connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and
>> all gives the same results.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 03:51:25 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:51:25 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house><006201c914a6$b67494b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<1b52e6c80809120016o7fc0dea5gf6cea9dfedb0cf2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006901c914ac$5be9f700$d4b1b1d8@house>

 I forgot to mention that the computer started crashing while operating just 
before the total failure.
 The disk drive wasn't used at those times.

 I'm beginning to think I may have a problem with the switching power 
supply. I'll hang a scope on the five and twelve volt lines later to see if 
there's a problem there.

George

From: "mike delyea"

> Could it possibly be the drive itself?
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ramsower"
>>
>>> Darn,
>>>
>>> My CNC coco broke.
>>>
>>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>>> correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>>
>>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>>
>>> I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>>> I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>>> connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller 
>>> and
>>> all gives the same results.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>> George



From os9dude at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 04:46:03 2008
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:46:03 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Anybody Remember GOSUB International?
In-Reply-To: <48C9E4FD.70907@swbell.net>
References: <48C9E4FD.70907@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <5631e580809120146m284bff32x291c04ded06c1e1a@mail.gmail.com>

Name does ring a bell but not from The Rainbow, Hot CoCo or any other CoCo
specific publications. I will check some 80 Micro magazines I have for Gosub
International... will get back to the list with either results...


-=[ R ]=-


On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:

>
> What does anyone remember about "GOSUB International"?  Does anyone else
> remember these games?  Suppose these might be the duplication masters?
> I don't see any of them mentioned on Boyle's list. <Coco at maltedmedia.com>
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From snhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 06:54:33 2008
From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:54:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] Color Computer Clipboard Disk Magazine 1989 Archive
In-Reply-To: <704812.44390.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <704812.44390.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809120653520.7338@duo>

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Derek wrote:

> This is the 1989 Color Computer Clipboard Disk Magazine Archive. It was 
> a bi-monthly disk magazine. As before the link is to a text file with 
> the download links inside.
>
> Thanks go out to a to be un-named list member who sent me a large batch 
> of floppys that I am converting to .dsk images for the archives. This is 
> the 1st batch there is more on the way.
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/144550452/Coco_Clipboard_1989.rar

I get:

Error
The file could not be found. Please check the download link.

when I try that URL.



-- 


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Fri Sep 12 07:33:40 2008
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:33:40 -0400
Subject: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
In-Reply-To: <006f01c9144c$8c1a65a0$a44f30e0$@com>
References: <002501c913af$ed682600$c8387200$@com>	<48C89476.3050203@swbell.net>	<3C454E89-D109-491D-AD25-B4720835FE0E@gmail.com>	<21CBD4F2-0DF5-4DCD-A1AB-53E464F1BDBC@gmail.com>
	<006f01c9144c$8c1a65a0$a44f30e0$@com>
Message-ID: <48CA5394.10600@worldnet.att.net>

Allan Chaney wrote:
> JP,
> 
> I was also able to get Paladin's Legacy running in VCC just as you and Joel
> Ewy directed by using the coco_archive.iso.  I burned the iso image to CD,
> pulled off 145AG_02.dsk and accessed the disk from VCC.  That's pretty cool.
> 
> Unfortunately, the colors are really out of wack.  If you choose N on the
> "Do you have a color monitor?" question it only shows up in Black and White.
> If you choose Y then the colors are messed up especially while looking at
> the text.  
> 
> Is that a VCC limitation?
> 
> It's really too bad Side 2 of the disk was not imaged as well.  That would
> have saved me a lot of trouble.
> 
> I also found the manual on the iso image at scans/manuals/pdf/paladin's
> Legacy.pdf
> 
> They did a nice job of scanning the manual in scrollable book format.
> 
> 
> Allan
> 

If you want the best artifact color representation from an emulator you 
should try MESS. MESS will get correct artifact color from an RGB 
(current PC) monitor.


From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Fri Sep 12 08:13:47 2008
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Breaking windows in B09
In-Reply-To: <003601c913b3$d9cd8b90$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <003601c913b3$d9cd8b90$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <48CA5CFB.1030709@worldnet.att.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
> In my CNC Coco stuff, I'd decided to use a printer to display data that 
> otherwise would be lost.. such as what was printed to the screen and 
> scrolls up into oblivion as I enter the edit mode.
> Using the printer was okay. Used a lot of paper, of course.
> 
> Then I decided to use an unused window.
> 
> In my startup file, I open four windows. All are text only 80X24. The 
> first three, I iniz them and the fourth window is left for printing to.
> Never used it, just had it there "just in case".
> 
> Yesterday, I tried to open that window for writing, in Basic09. The 
> window vanishes.
> 
> I can (in Shell+2.1)
> 
> echo Hello >/w4
> 
> and it works.
> 
> When I :
> 
>  open #path4, "/w4":write
> 
> In Basic09,
> 
> The window vanishes.. or at least it vanishes some time from the point I 
> start the main program and it opens the path or, when it prints the data 
> to that window. Perhaps I should make it print to that window later in 
> the program, to give me time to [CLEAR] to that window to see when it 
> vanishes. Right now, I'm thinking it vanishes upon opening the path.
> It's still in the module directory (dirm and mdir)
> 
> I hope there's enough info here to enable someone to offer a suggestion 
> as to how this happens and a way to fix it..
> 
> I ran across this problem quite a few years ago but, that was a long 
> time ago.
> My addled brain can't pull up this file.... lost sectors from excessive 
> cleaning with alcohol and G-Forces from inadvertant mis-advertures on 
> motorcycles.
> 
> .
> 
> George
> 
> 

I think this is just Basic09 not the result of recent Sourceforge code.

The trick to see the shell-less window is to send something to it from a 
B09 program and then CLOSE the path to the window.

The window is not destroyed, you just can't see it. It can be reached as 
many times as needed by just OPENing and CLOSEing the path.

If this is a problem, why not dump info to a file on a drive?


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Sep 12 08:22:04 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:22:04 -0500
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029
	FDC.
In-Reply-To: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca>
References: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <1DFB6FDA-B384-4981-895F-C6FAB0521C92@pritchard.ca>

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone who had responded the to my original post.  Here is  
a status update, and from the status I am hoping for some further  
assistance.

Thanks go out to Darren A for setting me up with a Extended Color  
Basic 1.1 ROM.

My 26-3029 FDC is the 7 chip WD1773 based version thus I will not be  
able to mod it to work at HD.  Oh Well!

I have been trying to format disks in either 3.5" or 5.25" (I can't  
believe I had two boxes of KAO 5.25" DSDD never opened kicking  
around).  Anyway I get IO errors at the end of the formatting routine  
regardless of 3.5" or 5.25" drive / media.
Here is a list of my 5.25" FDDs:
Panasonic JU-475-4 A55
Panasonic JU-455-5 AAG
Teac FD-55GFR-570-U
Teac FD-55GFR 149-U5
Mitsumi F509V3

3.5" FDDs
Fujitsu M2537D15D
Fujitsu M2537B11D
Teac FD-235HF 3240-U5

For all the drives I have tried to ensure that the DC/RY jumpers are  
set to Drive Ready and not Drive Change.  I have jumper settings for  
some of them, but it seems to not help. The cable I am using has been  
returned to straight through mode.

I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the  
26-3001 REV E board.  Currently it has 16K installed, the jumpers all  
mention the 32K setting.  The closest instructions I have found are  
from an archive of Paul Demarni's Coco pages (http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html 
).  It instructs about the 32K upgrade and makes reference to him  
having instructions for the 64K upgrade.

The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue of  
Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I  
can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 24-Aug-08, at 9:53 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:

> Hello out there,
>
> Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am  
> looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour.
>
> Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to Dennis  
> telling me some information about the mailing list server.
>
>
> I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired years  
> ago.  The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the  
> Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all  
> the way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I  
> have are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card.
>
> Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1.   
> It has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I  
> could install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one.
>
> I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to  
> boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk  
> related.  Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look  
> at to determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and  
> booting from the FDC ROM?  The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA  
> MV-1 38 84, and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip.  The markings on  
> the ROM are TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A.
>
> It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or  
> chips, though I have not tested any of them.  Also I have tried the  
> time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the  
> problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo.
>
> Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time  
> in their lives, help would sure be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Sep 12 09:21:33 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:21:33 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
In-Reply-To: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <200809120921.33670.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>Darn,
>
> My CNC coco broke.
>
> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>
> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>
>I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and
>all gives the same results.
>
> Suggestions?

This smells like a memory problem as os9 put it in all ram mode.  Perhaps 
there is a problem with the memory above 32k?
>
>George
>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.
		-- Booker T. Washington


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 09:27:59 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:27:59 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<200809120921.33670.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c914db$60698050$d4b1b1d8@house>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Heskett"

> On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>Darn,
>>
>> My CNC coco broke.
>>
>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>>correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>
>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>
>>I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>>I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>>connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and
>>all gives the same results.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
> This smells like a memory problem as os9 put it in all ram mode.  Perhaps
> there is a problem with the memory above 32k?
>>

 This is why I replaced the memory board from another coco. I was thinking 
the same thing.
 The re-seating of things was the first step, then the memory, then the CPU.
 I think the next thing to try is another GIME chip. I've never had one fail 
before.
 I think I'll try that now and see.

George 



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Sep 12 09:27:40 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:27:40 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
In-Reply-To: <006201c914a6$b67494b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<006201c914a6$b67494b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <200809120927.40684.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>By the way..
>
> Since I had it down and open, I took photos.
> There was someone, months ago, that indicated an interest in how I repacked
>that coco.
> As I get a chance, I will updated the Coco CNC pages to reflect this.
>
> This site is still unchanged but for those that wish to see it....
>
>http://coco.thetinbox.com

Looking good George, I like that, a dremel on a fixed gantry for y,z.

What is the reach envelope in all 3 directions?

>George
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
>To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:36 AM
>Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
>
>> Darn,
>>
>> My CNC coco broke.
>>
>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>> correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>
>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>
>> I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>> I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>> connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and
>> all gives the same results.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Moore's Constant:
	Everybody sets out to do something, and everybody
	does something, but no one does what he sets out to do.


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Sep 12 09:53:58 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:53:58 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
In-Reply-To: <000e01c914db$60698050$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<200809120921.33670.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<000e01c914db$60698050$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <200809120953.58930.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gene Heskett"
>
>> On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>>Darn,
>>>
>>> My CNC coco broke.
>>>
>>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>>>correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>>
>>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>>
>>>I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>>>I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>>>connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and
>>>all gives the same results.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>
>> This smells like a memory problem as os9 put it in all ram mode.  Perhaps
>> there is a problem with the memory above 32k?
>
> This is why I replaced the memory board from another coco. I was thinking
>the same thing.
> The re-seating of things was the first step, then the memory, then the CPU.
> I think the next thing to try is another GIME chip. I've never had one fail
>before.
> I think I'll try that now and see.
>
>George
>
Another thought George.  do you have any hardware that could exert an IRQ 
before it has been initialized to do so?

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Mal: "You told me the entry couplings would hold for another week!"

Kaylee: "That was six months ago, cap'n."
				--"Serenity"


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 10:12:37 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:12:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  RePacked Coco used in my CNC project
Message-ID: <001a01c914e1$9ca00660$d4b1b1d8@house>

http://coco.thetinbox.com/CocoRePack.html

A while back, some expressed a desire to see how I repacked a CC3 into an 
old modem cabinet.
There it is.

George 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 10:13:37 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:13:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house><006201c914a6$b67494b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<200809120927.40684.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c914e1$c0af2270$d4b1b1d8@house>


> On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>By the way..
>>
>> Since I had it down and open, I took photos.
>> There was someone, months ago, that indicated an interest in how I 
>> repacked
>>that coco.
>> As I get a chance, I will updated the Coco CNC pages to reflect this.
>>
>> This site is still unchanged but for those that wish to see it....
>>
>>http://coco.thetinbox.com
>
> Looking good George, I like that, a dremel on a fixed gantry for y,z.
>
> What is the reach envelope in all 3 directions?
>
>>George

Gene,

 The X and Y are six inches, the Z is 3.5. The table is 6X6.

 A few weeks ago, I disassembled the mounts for the dremel and machined them 
to be real clamps instead of what you saw on the website. Photos will be 
coming up soon. I'm working on that now.

----- time passes ----

Done.
http://coco.thetinbox.com 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 10:19:45 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:19:45 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house><200809120921.33670.gene.heskett@verizon.net><000e01c914db$60698050$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<200809120953.58930.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c914e2$9bed62c0$d4b1b1d8@house>




> On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Gene Heskett"
>>
>>> On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>>>Darn,
>>>>
>>>> My CNC coco broke.
>>>>
>>>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>>>>correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>>>
>>>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>>>
>>>>I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>>>>I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>>>>connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller 
>>>>and
>>>>all gives the same results.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions?
>>>
>>> This smells like a memory problem as os9 put it in all ram mode. 
>>> Perhaps
>>> there is a problem with the memory above 32k?
>>
>> This is why I replaced the memory board from another coco. I was thinking
>>the same thing.
>> The re-seating of things was the first step, then the memory, then the 
>> CPU.
>> I think the next thing to try is another GIME chip. I've never had one 
>> fail
>>before.
>> I think I'll try that now and see.
>>
>>George
>>
> Another thought George.  do you have any hardware that could exert an IRQ
> before it has been initialized to do so?
>
> -- 
> Cheers, Gene

There are only two boards on the expansion port. The disk controller and the 
I/O board. The I/O board generates no IRQs but I disconnected it anyway for 
this problem.
 I tried another GIME chip and the results are the same. I'm wondering if it 
might be a chip that controls the memory that has failed. I don't know where 
the schematic is for the CC3. I've got the book stashed away somewhere.

 Does anyone remember why we modified the circuit at IC-9 to add a 74LS02?

 I'll try another '02 there, since it's socketed.

George




From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 10:26:23 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:26:23 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house><200809120921.33670.gene.heskett@verizon.net><000e01c914db$60698050$d4b1b1d8@house><200809120953.58930.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
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>>>> On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>>>>Darn,
>>>>>
>>>>> My CNC coco broke.
>>>>>
>>>>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>>>>>correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>>>>
>>>>>I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>>>>>I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>>>>>connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller 
>>>>>and
>>>>>all gives the same results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestions?
>>>>
>
> Does anyone remember why we modified the circuit at IC-9 to add a 74LS02?
>
> I'll try another '02 there, since it's socketed.
>

 This is interesting. The added chip on a spare CC3 board is an '02 but on 
the CNC coco it's an '04 chip. Since the latter was working, I'll have to 
assume it was supposed to be an '04.
I put another one in that socket and the CC3 is still broken.




From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Fri Sep 12 10:41:01 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:41:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
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Fred,

Man this is too funny.

You need two things to descend into the Mines and gather vast wealth (found
in chests) and numerous magic items and stat increases (found in special
Black Boxes).  The first is the Thieves Kit which allows you to unlock the
Mines entrance.  You buy a thieves kit at the Thieves City for 300 Gold.
With the Thieves kit you are able to enter through either side of the
mountains.  You will find however that as you descend into the mines,
darkness will engulf you further and further until you can't see.  A female
thief named Tamara in the Human City tells you of an Elven Torch which she
dropped while fleeing for her life from creatures in the mines.  You can
find the Elven torch by entering the mines on the opposite of the mountains.
Apparently, Tamara, being a master thief had both a Thieves Kit and Climbing
Boots.  With Climbing boots, purchased from the Thieves City you can walk
across the mountains.  Same goes for Snow boots when trying to climb the
slippery snow covered mountains in the North

Dealing with Thieves:  You have to buy the boots at the Thieves City in the
swamps as you already know.  This turns you evil but you can always go to
the cathedral which is just a few clicks directly west of the Main castle
and the Human city.  At the Cathedral, you have 2 options.  You can pay 100
gold for a potion that you can then Use (U) command and it will heal you for
100 HP.  (I think that should be changed by the way to 25 gold because 100
is way too much.  I guess at the time I was thinking that that is the
penalty for choosing the evil path.)  Anyway you are much better off with
your second option in the Cathedral which is to give 10 gold to Sister Shara
and she makes you pure of heart.  Once you are pure of heart again, you can
walk over to Elm, the city of elves and be healed for free by the Wood
Nymph.

Another thing to keep in mind is you will find numerous amazing magical
items in the mines like a magic carpet, invisibility cloak, All seeing
Sorcerer's Eye and more.  But in order to use these items you must be versed
in the 5 Magical Arts (Magic, Sorcery, Thaumatergy, Wizardry and Alchemy).
You must train and study each magical art (acquire and read the appropriate
scroll) before you can use the magical items.  There is a city for each
magical art where you can study and acquire the scrolls.

Another tip....You can steal a boat from the Thieves City and that sure
beats paying 1000 gold for one.  I think I was being ironic.....thieving
from thieves.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:07 AM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:34 -0500
> From: "Allan Chaney" <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <004901c91437$97572f80$c6058e80$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Fred,
>
> Thanks for the compliment.  Yes I wrote it on a COCO II and then sent it
off
> to Sundog in the fall of 1988.  Glen Dahlgren with Sundog loved the game
but
> wanted me to get it running on the COCO3 as well and to keep it under 64k
so
> it would work on all COCO models.  It took me an entire year to not only
get
> it running on the COCO 3 but to get it polished enough for commercial
> release and to convert my then basic disk I/O into assembly.  I finished
it
> just in time for Christmas 1989.  That experience convinced me NOT to
pursue
> computer programming as a career but to keep it as a loved hobby.
> 
> Anyway....if you decide to play the game again.  I can tell you everything
> you could possibly want to know.  I have also scanned the manual in case
you
> or anyone else wants it.
>
> I just replayed the game for the first time in almost 20 years and I was
> shocked how hard it was just getting started with a new character.  So
just
> a tip....when you role your character max out your strength and Dexterity
> and don't worry about intelligence and Wisdom. You can increase those when
> you find Black Boxes in the Mines.  Also hit that first Human City and buy
a
> weapon and armor and Wear and Arm yourself to improve your AC and WC.
> Another huge tip is....Just west of the starting location in the game,
> through the thick forest is the Elven City of Elm.  In the upper right
> corner of that city are a couple of elves hanging out by a fire.  Talk to
> one and he tells you of a Wood Nymph that comes out on the darkest of
> nights.  That Wood Nymph will heal you to full health for free if you are
> pure of heart.  Do any transactions at the City of Thieves and you become
> evil.  Also you are asked that question at the beginning of the game. Go
to
> the Cathedral just west of your starting point and give alms for become
pure
> of heart.  
>
> I don't know what I was thinking when I charged 100 gold for a healing
> potion from the Bishop in the Cathedral.  And it only heals for 100 HP??!.
> That's nuts!
>
> Allan Chaney     


Allan,

Thank you for your offer of help with the game! I already have the manual,
so I'm already set there. Thanks for the tips! I think the main stumbling
block I faced, if I remember correctly, was that there were certain dungeons
that I had to get to in order to progress further in the game, which were
inaccessible without acquiring a special pair of boots to cross some certain
terrain. The boots were only to be found in the City of Theives. Once going
there, I would become evil and I would eventually die due to damage
inflicted during encounters with creatures, since I was unable to heal
myself at the Wood Nymph anymore since I was no longer pure in heart :-(

Fred Provoncha




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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Sep 12 10:52:45 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:52:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
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On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>> On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>>By the way..
>>>
>>> Since I had it down and open, I took photos.
>>> There was someone, months ago, that indicated an interest in how I
>>> repacked
>>>that coco.
>>> As I get a chance, I will updated the Coco CNC pages to reflect this.
>>>
>>> This site is still unchanged but for those that wish to see it....
>>>
>>>http://coco.thetinbox.com
>>
>> Looking good George, I like that, a dremel on a fixed gantry for y,z.
>>
>> What is the reach envelope in all 3 directions?
>>
>>>George
>
>Gene,
>
> The X and Y are six inches, the Z is 3.5. The table is 6X6.
>
I think mine is about 12-13" for x, 4.5-5" for y, and a tops of maybe 10" for 
z, and basically unlimited degrees for the a axis, a small 4" rotary table I 
intend to hob some gears and such with.  Or drill an index plate for the 
lathe spindle as I intend to control it too at some point, for thread cutting 
at any pitch, and contoured turnings.  For thread cutting, you have to know 
where the spindle is of course.

> A few weeks ago, I disassembled the mounts for the dremel and machined them
>to be real clamps instead of what you saw on the website. Photos will be
>coming up soon. I'm working on that now.

Fix the machine to boot first, that's more important than purty pictures. :)

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>Done.
>http://coco.thetinbox.com
>
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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Sep 12 10:56:32 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:56:32 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
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On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>>>> On Friday 12 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
>>>>>>Darn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My CNC coco broke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports
>>>>>>correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>>>>>>I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge
>>>>>>connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>all gives the same results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Does anyone remember why we modified the circuit at IC-9 to add a 74LS02?
>>
>> I'll try another '02 there, since it's socketed.
>
> This is interesting. The added chip on a spare CC3 board is an '02 but on
>the CNC coco it's an '04 chip. Since the latter was working, I'll have to
>assume it was supposed to be an '04.
>I put another one in that socket and the CC3 is still broken.
>
Humm, the 'ls02 is a quad NOR gate, the 'ls04 is a hex inverter.  That is not 
generally interchangeable.
>
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From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 11:01:13 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:01:13 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower"

> Darn,
>
> My CNC coco broke.
>
> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports 
> correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>
> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>
> I tried other boot disks with the same results.
> I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge 
> connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and 
> all gives the same results.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
> George

 I should have done this earlier...

 I looked at the power from the switching supply and there is WAY too much 
high frequency noise on them.
 Tonight, I will take the supply out and find the bad cap/s. I betcha that's 
the problem.
What made me look was the fact that the computer seemed to work okay until I 
try to access the disk. Then it crashed.
I did a "dir" in RS basic with nothing in the drive and the computer 
crashes. 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 11:08:33 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
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	<003601c914e8$66b2c590$d4b1b1d8@house>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Ramsower"
>
>> Darn,
>>
>> My CNC coco broke.
>>
>> It starts up and displays the usual stuff. I can ?mem and it reports 
>> correctly. However, when I boot OS9, it crashes.
>>
>> I appears to crash when it loads the first boot sector.
>>
>> I tried other boot disks with the same results.
>> I replaced the CPU, RAM board, reseated the GIME, polished the edge 
>> connector on the disk controller, reseated the ROM in the controller  and 
>> all gives the same results.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>>
>> George
>
> I should have done this earlier...
>
> I looked at the power from the switching supply and there is WAY too much 
> high frequency noise on them.
> Tonight, I will take the supply out and find the bad cap/s. I betcha 
> that's the problem.
> What made me look was the fact that the computer seemed to work okay until 
> I try to access the disk. Then it crashed.
> I did a "dir" in RS basic with nothing in the drive and the computer 
> crashes.
Looking at the 5V line while accessing the disk reveals about 100mv of 
square wave while the drive is stepping. I even bridged a 450uf cap onto the 
5v line earlier and this test was with the cap in place.

Positively the power supply.



From yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 12 11:34:27 2008
From: yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com (Richard Adams)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:34:27 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Creating blank disks in VCC
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> Message: 1> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:17:29 -0600> From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>> SNIP> > Unless I'm missing something, I haven't actually noticed a way to > easily create blank disk images in VCC or in DriveWire Server for > Windows. Seems like an obvious function!> VCC and DriveWire can both use the same CoCo disk image format--that > is, disk images are completely compatible and interchangeable between > the two.SNIP
 
J.P.,
 
Instructions for creating a blank image are in the PDF manual for VCC that should be in your VCC directory, and in your VCC Start menu as 'Welcome to VCC'. 
 
The short version is: Go to the Cartridge menu, navigate to the drive you want to use, eject any pre-loaded disk, then click Insert. Instead of selecting an existing disk image, type in a new filename (diskname.dsk) in the 'File Name' box. This will create a new, unformatted blank image in the selected directory.
 
You still have to format it in VCC, just like a new, blank diskette in an actual machine, using the DSKINI(drive number) command.
 
HTH,
 
Richard
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From t.fadden at cox.net  Fri Sep 12 11:45:38 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:45:38 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Creating blank disks in VCC
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-W30AF1C6F2FB8B2BFBC4FE7B6510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20080912114538.A8JA3.311446.imail@fed1rmwml32>

Amazing what RTFM will do! ha ha ha  Thanks! ;-)  I have been making a copy on the windows side, and then doing a format on the vcc side.  

Tim Fadden

---- Richard Adams <yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com> wrote: 

> Message: 1> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:17:29 -0600> From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Coco] COCO to PC transfer and Using VCC> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>> SNIP> > Unless I'm missing something, I haven't actually noticed a way to > easily create blank disk images in VCC or in DriveWire Server for > Windows. Seems like an obvious function!> VCC and DriveWire can both use the same CoCo disk image format--that > is, disk images are completely compatible and interchangeable between > the two.SNIP
 
J.P.,
 
Instructions for creating a blank image are in the PDF manual for VCC that should be in your VCC directory, and in your VCC Start menu as 'Welcome to VCC'. 
 
The short version is: Go to the Cartridge menu, navigate to the drive you want to use, eject any pre-loaded disk, then click Insert. Instead of selecting an existing disk image, type in a new filename (diskname.dsk) in the 'File Name' box. This will create a new, unformatted blank image in the selected directory.
 
You still have to format it in VCC, just like a new, blank diskette in an actual machine, using the DSKINI(drive number) command.
 
HTH,
 
Richard
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From mechacoco at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 12:16:04 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:16:04 -0600
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <1DFB6FDA-B384-4981-895F-C6FAB0521C92@pritchard.ca>
References: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca>
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On 9/12/08, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks to everyone who had responded the to my original post.  Here is
> a status update, and from the status I am hoping for some further
> assistance.
>
>  ...
>
> I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the
> 26-3001 REV E board.  Currently it has 16K installed, the jumpers all
> mention the 32K setting.  The closest instructions I have found are
> from an archive of Paul Demarni's Coco pages
> (http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html
> ).  It instructs about the 32K upgrade and makes reference to him
> having instructions for the 64K upgrade.
>
> The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue of
> Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I
> can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.
>
---

There is also mention of an article by Richard Esposito in the July
1983 issue of Hot CoCo. I found a thread from back in 2004 where this
topic was previously discussed:

<http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/2004-November/011354.html>

Darren


From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Fri Sep 12 15:00:45 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:00:45 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <48C9F5CB.8040605@usfamily.net>
References: <mailman.3.1221192524.90540.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<48C9F5CB.8040605@usfamily.net>
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Fred,

Do you happen to have a scan of that page with the review.

I'd love to see it.

I never even knew there was a review.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:54 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:08:37 -0600
> From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <50D7F9A7-1738-4383-A49B-AE635F7E1D89 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> What I would like to see, Allan willing, is a nice archive put  
> together containing the game, manuals, etc.
>
> Some of the available assets might include:
> Original copy-protected version of the commercial game disks (DMK  
> format).
> Unprotected version of the commercial game disks (DSK format).
> Unprotected version with Allan's final build (DSK format).
> Scan of the manual (high quality/resolution).
> Scan of the Sundog advert for the game.
> Scan of the review from the Rainbow (if there is one).


The Review of Paladin's Legacy was in the June 1990 issue of Rainbow, page
74.

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From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Fri Sep 12 15:33:28 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Color Computer Clipboard Disk Magazine 1989 Archive
Message-ID: <20080912.143328.3476.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

I am having trouble getting a file. When I  try, it indicates the file
size is zero.
John
 
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Derek <dml_68 at yahoo.com> writes:
> This is the 1989 Color Computer Clipboard Disk Magazine Archive. It 
> was a bi-monthly disk magazine. As before the link is to a text file 
> with the download links inside.
> 
> Thanks go out to a to be un-named list member who sent me a large 
> batch of floppys that I am converting to .dsk images for the 
> archives. This is the 1st batch there is more on the way.
> 
> http://rapidshare.com/files/144550452/Coco_Clipboard_1989.rar
> 
> 
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From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 15:56:10 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:56:10 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Creating blank disks in VCC
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-W30AF1C6F2FB8B2BFBC4FE7B6510@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.3.1221192524.90540.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<BAY113-W30AF1C6F2FB8B2BFBC4FE7B6510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D79287D-5625-4866-9621-CF118B736A92@gmail.com>

On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Richard Adams wrote:
> Instructions for creating a blank image are in the PDF manual for  
> VCC that should be in your VCC directory, and in your VCC Start menu  
> as 'Welcome to VCC'.

Busted for not reading the manual!  This is handy to know, Richard.   
Thanks.

-- JP



From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Fri Sep 12 15:57:04 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:57:04 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <010501c91509$dce1bc00$96a53400$@com>
References: <mailman.3.1221192524.90540.coco@maltedmedia.com>	<48C9F5CB.8040605@usfamily.net>
	<010501c91509$dce1bc00$96a53400$@com>
Message-ID: <010901c91511$bb2c9be0$3185d3a0$@com>

Does anyone have a copy of Rainbow Magazine June 1990?

I wonder if you would be willing to scan the Paladin's Legacy game review on
page 74 and e-mail me the scan.

Thanks
Allan 
-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Allan Chaney
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:01 PM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

Fred,

Do you happen to have a scan of that page with the review.

I'd love to see it.

I never even knew there was a review.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:54 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:08:37 -0600
> From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <50D7F9A7-1738-4383-A49B-AE635F7E1D89 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> What I would like to see, Allan willing, is a nice archive put  
> together containing the game, manuals, etc.
>
> Some of the available assets might include:
> Original copy-protected version of the commercial game disks (DMK  
> format).
> Unprotected version of the commercial game disks (DSK format).
> Unprotected version with Allan's final build (DSK format).
> Scan of the manual (high quality/resolution).
> Scan of the Sundog advert for the game.
> Scan of the review from the Rainbow (if there is one).


The Review of Paladin's Legacy was in the June 1990 issue of Rainbow, page
74.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT




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From t.fadden at cox.net  Fri Sep 12 16:42:49 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:42:49 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <010901c91511$bb2c9be0$3185d3a0$@com>
Message-ID: <20080912164249.IEART.319506.imail@fed1rmwml32>

Yes, I have  it.  Will do it when I get home, if someone else hasn't already.

Tim Fadden
---- Allan Chaney <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com> wrote: 
Does anyone have a copy of Rainbow Magazine June 1990?

I wonder if you would be willing to scan the Paladin's Legacy game review on
page 74 and e-mail me the scan.

Thanks
Allan 
-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Allan Chaney
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:01 PM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

Fred,

Do you happen to have a scan of that page with the review.

I'd love to see it.

I never even knew there was a review.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:54 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:08:37 -0600
> From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <50D7F9A7-1738-4383-A49B-AE635F7E1D89 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> What I would like to see, Allan willing, is a nice archive put  
> together containing the game, manuals, etc.
>
> Some of the available assets might include:
> Original copy-protected version of the commercial game disks (DMK  
> format).
> Unprotected version of the commercial game disks (DSK format).
> Unprotected version with Allan's final build (DSK format).
> Scan of the manual (high quality/resolution).
> Scan of the Sundog advert for the game.
> Scan of the review from the Rainbow (if there is one).


The Review of Paladin's Legacy was in the June 1990 issue of Rainbow, page
74.

Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT




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From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 16:41:43 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:41:43 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Color Computer Clipboard Disk Magazine 1989 Archive
References: <20080912.143328.3476.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
Message-ID: <7AE507A5EFE74709AD5DFD2748C0754A@NewBaby>

IE? Try FireFox.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John T Chasteen" <johnchasteen.2 at juno.com>

>I am having trouble getting a file. When I  try, it indicates the file
> size is zero.
> John




From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 17:08:53 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:08:53 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <20080912164249.IEART.319506.imail@fed1rmwml32>
References: <20080912164249.IEART.319506.imail@fed1rmwml32>
Message-ID: <0F8DB3CC-0750-4538-A576-D76D3D322CEA@gmail.com>

On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:42 PM, <t.fadden at cox.net> <t.fadden at cox.net>  
wrote:
> Yes, I have  it.  Will do it when I get home, if someone else hasn't  
> already.

You might want to give Allan advance warning if the Rainbow review of  
Paladin is... how should I put it... not positive.  ;-)

-- JP



From flexser at fiu.edu  Fri Sep 12 17:50:04 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:50:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
 26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <1DFB6FDA-B384-4981-895F-C6FAB0521C92@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

When you say you get IO errors "at the end" of the formatting routine, I suspect
you are actually getting them in the middle of the routine, when DSKINI has
finished writing the tracks (or trying to do so, at least) and first attempts to
read back from the disk to make sure everything went okay.  So, that raises the
question of whether your drives are able to read (or write) anything at all.  
Have you checked to see whether an already-formatted disk can be read?  Does the
drive light come on when a drive is accessed?  It sounds like you might have a
hardware problem with your disk controller, if both drives are equally affected.
(If the drive lights are on all the time, you may heave a sigh of relief, for
that would mean simply that you've plugged the drive cable in upside down.)

Art

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ryan Pritchard wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks to everyone who had responded the to my original post.  Here is  
> a status update, and from the status I am hoping for some further  
> assistance.
> 
> Thanks go out to Darren A for setting me up with a Extended Color  
> Basic 1.1 ROM.
> 
> My 26-3029 FDC is the 7 chip WD1773 based version thus I will not be  
> able to mod it to work at HD.  Oh Well!
> 
> I have been trying to format disks in either 3.5" or 5.25" (I can't  
> believe I had two boxes of KAO 5.25" DSDD never opened kicking  
> around).  Anyway I get IO errors at the end of the formatting routine  
> regardless of 3.5" or 5.25" drive / media.
> Here is a list of my 5.25" FDDs:
> Panasonic JU-475-4 A55
> Panasonic JU-455-5 AAG
> Teac FD-55GFR-570-U
> Teac FD-55GFR 149-U5
> Mitsumi F509V3
> 
> 3.5" FDDs
> Fujitsu M2537D15D
> Fujitsu M2537B11D
> Teac FD-235HF 3240-U5
> 
> For all the drives I have tried to ensure that the DC/RY jumpers are  
> set to Drive Ready and not Drive Change.  I have jumper settings for  
> some of them, but it seems to not help. The cable I am using has been  
> returned to straight through mode.
> 
> I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the  
> 26-3001 REV E board.  Currently it has 16K installed, the jumpers all  
> mention the 32K setting.  The closest instructions I have found are  
> from an archive of Paul Demarni's Coco pages (http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html 
> ).  It instructs about the 32K upgrade and makes reference to him  
> having instructions for the 64K upgrade.
> 
> The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue of  
> Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I  
> can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
> 
> 
> 
> On 24-Aug-08, at 9:53 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> 
> > Hello out there,
> >
> > Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am  
> > looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour.
> >
> > Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to Dennis  
> > telling me some information about the mailing list server.
> >
> >
> > I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired years  
> > ago.  The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the  
> > Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all  
> > the way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I  
> > have are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card.
> >
> > Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1.   
> > It has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I  
> > could install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one.
> >
> > I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to  
> > boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk  
> > related.  Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look  
> > at to determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and  
> > booting from the FDC ROM?  The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA  
> > MV-1 38 84, and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip.  The markings on  
> > the ROM are TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A.
> >
> > It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or  
> > chips, though I have not tested any of them.  Also I have tried the  
> > time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the  
> > problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo.
> >
> > Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time  
> > in their lives, help would sure be appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ryan Pritchard
> > Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
> 
> 
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From jcewy at swbell.net  Fri Sep 12 18:01:35 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:01:35 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <0F8DB3CC-0750-4538-A576-D76D3D322CEA@gmail.com>
References: <20080912164249.IEART.319506.imail@fed1rmwml32>
	<0F8DB3CC-0750-4538-A576-D76D3D322CEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48CAE6BF.2090602@swbell.net>

J.P. Samson wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:42 PM, <t.fadden at cox.net> <t.fadden at cox.net> wrote:
>> Yes, I have  it.  Will do it when I get home, if someone else hasn't
>> already.
>
> You might want to give Allan advance warning if the Rainbow review of
> Paladin is... how should I put it... not positive.  ;-)
>

The only criticisms are minor.

JCE

> -- JP
>
>
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From operator at coco3.com  Fri Sep 12 18:49:15 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:49:15 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com webmaster
In-Reply-To: <48C9F180.2060506@embarqmail.com>
References: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>
	<200809110018.18098.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<20080912035421.C270320A33@qs281.pair.com>
	<48C9F180.2060506@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080912224941.F412520A35@qs281.pair.com>

At 11:35 PM 9/11/2008, you wrote:
>Roger Taylor wrote:
>>>on an electric scooter) friend in a trailer/rv park there.
>>I live in North East Texas, actually.  The eye which will ofcourse 
>>spread out by the time it gets this far up is still shown to come 
>>through this area, so I'm not writing off the possibility of 
>>seriously high winds that will have us without power for a 
>>while.   South Texans are already up here, the Wal-Marts are jammed 
>>in the isles, and you can't find any common emergency supplies on 
>>the shelves.  However, I got lucky and grabbed the last 4 propane 
>>tanks (the mini ones) and a lot of D batteries I found at 1 out of 
>>about 8 Dollar General stores in this area.  Wal-Mart hasn't had D 
>>batteries since Gustuv.  I've got all forms of light covered in 
>>case the power goes out.  Tomorrow I'll fuel the car up to the brim 
>>and cap it off daily in case for some odd reason I have to hit the 
>>road and get outta here for a bit.
>>But then again, maybe we'll just experience some Dew ??!
>
>I live between Conroe and Hempstead. It looks like  the eye will 
>pass over ,my house with winds about 65 mph.


Maybe even 75mph from the looks of the latrest weather.com 
forecast.  Tomorrow night will probably be when the eye runs through 
Kilgore Tx.  Loss of power is already assumed, so I've prepared to 
play "camp out" at home if needed.  Plenty of ice is chested up, 
lanterns, batteries, propane, candles, and canned food.  Some would 
say people have gone overboard with the panic but those are usually 
the ones who find themselves in a bad bind later.  It's better to be 
safe than sorry.

I'll be out delivering Next Day Air packages (Saturday) just as the 
eye is approaching our city area.  Hopefully the boss will reconsider 
and let us go back home.  However, some people order prescription 
drugs that they NEED right away, so that will probably have 
priority.  Or if a human organ is rushed to a hospital, it goes 
without saying that it will be delivered even in a 
hurricane.  Personally, I don't think there will be a UPS plane in 
our local sky tomorrow which means no arrival of those packages to 
our center.  We'll see.  Each UPS truck gets approximately 100 lbs 
combined for maybe 12 packages per driver, which is NOT enough to 
help keep a hollow UPS truck on a wet road in high wind.  I'm a bit nervous.

Hopefully when I get home I can post a message claiming that your 
favorite webmaster just "delivered packages in the eye of a cat 1 
hurricane".  Actually, hopefully I can stay home!

Unbelievable.  Stay tuned.

Roger Taylor





From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Fri Sep 12 18:58:41 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:58:41 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com webmaster
References: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com><200809110018.18098.gene.heskett@verizon.net><20080912035421.C270320A33@qs281.pair.com><48C9F180.2060506@embarqmail.com>
	<20080912224941.F412520A35@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <9C1F97E01F7141E282ACE2613F2F6FB5@trotter>

> Hopefully when I get home I can post a message claiming that your favorite 
> webmaster just "delivered packages in the eye of a cat 1 hurricane". 
> Actually, hopefully I can stay home!
>
> Unbelievable.  Stay tuned.
>
> Roger Taylor

I have driven home in major blizzards.  It would have been better to have 
been home already.
I have also been out with the fire department cutting fallen trees out of 
the road.  It would have been better to be at home in bed.
OTOH; Someone has to do the messy jobs, Since we are the best we have to 
offer, we are all to often, it.
Looking forward to a report of a boring time. ;)

Bruce W. 



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 21:11:54 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:11:54 -0600
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <1DFB6FDA-B384-4981-895F-C6FAB0521C92@pritchard.ca>
References: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca>
	<1DFB6FDA-B384-4981-895F-C6FAB0521C92@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809121811o49ed520bld1fc7c4d7e6f839a@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/12/08, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>  . . .
>
> I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the
> 26-3001 REV E board.  Currently it has 16K installed, the jumpers all
> mention the 32K setting.  The closest instructions I have found are
> from an archive of Paul Demarni's Coco pages
> (http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html
> ).  It instructs about the 32K upgrade and makes reference to him
> having instructions for the 64K upgrade.
>
> The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue of
> Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I
> can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.
>
---

There is also an article in volume 2 of the Color Micro Journal with
details about how to upgrade old CoCo 1 boards to 64K. It's available
on the MaltedMedia ftp site (a 10 MB file):

<ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/MAGS1/COPYALL/COLORMICROJOURNAL/CMJ_V1_2.pdf>


From keeper63 at cox.net  Fri Sep 12 21:50:48 2008
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:50:48 -0700
Subject: [Coco] :   RePacked Coco used in my CNC project
In-Reply-To: <mailman.127.1221249431.56714.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.127.1221249431.56714.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48CB1C78.5030509@cox.net>

> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:12:37 -0500
> From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Coco]  RePacked Coco used in my CNC project
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <001a01c914e1$9ca00660$d4b1b1d8 at house>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> http://coco.thetinbox.com/CocoRePack.html
> 
> A while back, some expressed a desire to see how I repacked a CC3 into an 
> old modem cabinet.
> There it is.

George, I love to follow this project. I hope to one day build and use 
my own CNC machine (although, likely to be done under *nix with the 
standard software there), yours really shows what can be done with an 
8-bit, though.

I am glad you have found the problem with the CC3 - I was afraid 
something major happenned with the machine due to the stepper interface 
(do you have a schematic? do you have buffering?) - feedback from the 
steppers or other voltage frying the CPU or GIME. PSU issues like that 
can be hard to figure out because they look like other things.

Can't wait to see more about it!

BTW - you mentioned having issues with accuracy of lines - that you were 
using large arc segments to simulate angled lines. Why not use the 
bresenham (sp?) algorithm to step the steppers instead (there would 
still have to be conversion for the angle and such)? Although, I don't 
know much about CNC machining, so I probably don't know what I am 
talking about here (have you looked into the code used on *nix to see 
how they do it?)...

Anyhow - great work!

-- Andrew


From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Fri Sep 12 21:49:47 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:49:47 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <0F8DB3CC-0750-4538-A576-D76D3D322CEA@gmail.com>
References: <20080912164249.IEART.319506.imail@fed1rmwml32>
	<0F8DB3CC-0750-4538-A576-D76D3D322CEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011f01c91543$0195b3b0$04c11b10$@com>

LOL

I read the review and it was actually pretty good but also pretty
superficial.  It's clear he wasn't into the Ultima type of RPG that was
popular in the 80s and thus didn't play very far into the game.  But then
again if you aren't into RPGs you wouldn't want to play very far into a game
like this.  But overall it was a cute little review.

It's amazing that it has taken 18 years for me to learn that there was a
review of my game.  On the other hand I've developed a thicker skin after 18
years so maybe not knowing for 18 years was a good thing.  :)

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of J.P. Samson
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:09 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:42 PM, <t.fadden at cox.net> <t.fadden at cox.net>  
wrote:
> Yes, I have  it.  Will do it when I get home, if someone else hasn't  
> already.

You might want to give Allan advance warning if the Rainbow review of  
Paladin is... how should I put it... not positive.  ;-)

-- JP


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From operator at coco3.com  Fri Sep 12 22:01:01 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Ike
In-Reply-To: <9C1F97E01F7141E282ACE2613F2F6FB5@trotter>
References: <20080911033405.016EC20A33@qs281.pair.com>
	<200809110018.18098.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<20080912035421.C270320A33@qs281.pair.com>
	<48C9F180.2060506@embarqmail.com>
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	<9C1F97E01F7141E282ACE2613F2F6FB5@trotter>
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At 05:58 PM 9/12/2008, you wrote:
>>Hopefully when I get home I can post a message claiming that your 
>>favorite webmaster just "delivered packages in the eye of a cat 1 
>>hurricane". Actually, hopefully I can stay home!
>>
>>Unbelievable.  Stay tuned.
>>
>>Roger Taylor
>
>I have driven home in major blizzards.  It would have been better to 
>have been home already.
>I have also been out with the fire department cutting fallen trees 
>out of the road.  It would have been better to be at home in bed.
>OTOH; Someone has to do the messy jobs, Since we are the best we 
>have to offer, we are all to often, it.
>Looking forward to a report of a boring time. ;)

It won't be boring because there's a constant worry about having an 
"avoidable accident" as UPS calls them.  50mph winds blow you clear 
off the road?  Your fault.  They use hindsight to solve all 
problems.  :)  "You should have just drove slower", but then if you 
get back in real late, you get "what in the hell took you so 
long?".  So typical of management.





>Bruce W.
>
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From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Sep 12 22:12:01 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:12:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
Message-ID: <D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca>

I mean that the cable is on correct, the drive light and motor turn on  
after I press ENTER when entering DSKINI0 to format the diskette.  The  
drive proceeds to spin the disk and move the head for about 35 track  
adjustments then makes a normal type of I am not going to complete my  
job grind noise, and then I get the ?IO ERROR message.

Unfortunately I do not have an already formatted CoCo diskette.  I  
will have to setup an older 386 / 486 / Pentium class board and case  
to see if these drives actually work, but from your interpretation, I  
likely have to do something with the FDC.  I have read about the need  
to replace the 7416 with 7406.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 12-Sep-08, at 4:50 PM, Arthur Flexser wrote:

> When you say you get IO errors "at the end" of the formatting  
> routine, I suspect
> you are actually getting them in the middle of the routine, when  
> DSKINI has
> finished writing the tracks (or trying to do so, at least) and first  
> attempts to
> read back from the disk to make sure everything went okay.  So, that  
> raises the
> question of whether your drives are able to read (or write) anything  
> at all.
> Have you checked to see whether an already-formatted disk can be  
> read?  Does the
> drive light come on when a drive is accessed?  It sounds like you  
> might have a
> hardware problem with your disk controller, if both drives are  
> equally affected.
> (If the drive lights are on all the time, you may heave a sigh of  
> relief, for
> that would mean simply that you've plugged the drive cable in upside  
> down.)
>
> Art
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who had responded the to my original post.  Here  
>> is
>> a status update, and from the status I am hoping for some further
>> assistance.
>>
>> Thanks go out to Darren A for setting me up with a Extended Color
>> Basic 1.1 ROM.
>>
>> My 26-3029 FDC is the 7 chip WD1773 based version thus I will not be
>> able to mod it to work at HD.  Oh Well!
>>
>> I have been trying to format disks in either 3.5" or 5.25" (I can't
>> believe I had two boxes of KAO 5.25" DSDD never opened kicking
>> around).  Anyway I get IO errors at the end of the formatting routine
>> regardless of 3.5" or 5.25" drive / media.
>> Here is a list of my 5.25" FDDs:
>> Panasonic JU-475-4 A55
>> Panasonic JU-455-5 AAG
>> Teac FD-55GFR-570-U
>> Teac FD-55GFR 149-U5
>> Mitsumi F509V3
>>
>> 3.5" FDDs
>> Fujitsu M2537D15D
>> Fujitsu M2537B11D
>> Teac FD-235HF 3240-U5
>>
>> For all the drives I have tried to ensure that the DC/RY jumpers are
>> set to Drive Ready and not Drive Change.  I have jumper settings for
>> some of them, but it seems to not help. The cable I am using has been
>> returned to straight through mode.
>>
>> I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the
>> 26-3001 REV E board.  Currently it has 16K installed, the jumpers all
>> mention the 32K setting.  The closest instructions I have found are
>> from an archive of Paul Demarni's Coco pages (http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html
>> ).  It instructs about the 32K upgrade and makes reference to him
>> having instructions for the 64K upgrade.
>>
>> The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue  
>> of
>> Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I
>> can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ryan Pritchard
>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24-Aug-08, at 9:53 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>>
>>> Hello out there,
>>>
>>> Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am
>>> looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour.
>>>
>>> Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to Dennis
>>> telling me some information about the mailing list server.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired years
>>> ago.  The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the
>>> Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all
>>> the way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I
>>> have are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card.
>>>
>>> Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1.
>>> It has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I
>>> could install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one.
>>>
>>> I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to
>>> boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk
>>> related.  Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look
>>> at to determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and
>>> booting from the FDC ROM?  The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA
>>> MV-1 38 84, and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip.  The markings on
>>> the ROM are TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A.
>>>
>>> It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or
>>> chips, though I have not tested any of them.  Also I have tried the
>>> time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the
>>> problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo.
>>>
>>> Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time
>>> in their lives, help would sure be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ryan Pritchard
>>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>
>>
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>
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From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 22:20:05 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:20:05 -0600
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <C649A840-6977-477E-8FBE-110D2B6F2C23@gmail.com>

On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> I mean that the cable is on correct, the drive light and motor turn  
> on after I press ENTER when entering DSKINI0 to format the  
> diskette.  The drive proceeds to spin the disk and move the head for  
> about 35 track adjustments then makes a normal type of I am not  
> going to complete my job grind noise, and then I get the ?IO ERROR  
> message.

How many different drive cables have you tried?

Unfortunately, the best way to track down which component is the  
problem is to have multiples of everything (e.g. disk controllers,  
drive cables, floppy drives, CoCo's).

-- JP



From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Sep 12 22:26:51 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:26:51 -0500
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <C649A840-6977-477E-8FBE-110D2B6F2C23@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca>
	<C649A840-6977-477E-8FBE-110D2B6F2C23@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E711C61-2E69-4E69-AA3E-362E07C04F70@pritchard.ca>

Four.  including two brand new.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 12-Sep-08, at 9:20 PM, J.P. Samson wrote:

> On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>> I mean that the cable is on correct, the drive light and motor turn  
>> on after I press ENTER when entering DSKINI0 to format the  
>> diskette.  The drive proceeds to spin the disk and move the head  
>> for about 35 track adjustments then makes a normal type of I am not  
>> going to complete my job grind noise, and then I get the ?IO ERROR  
>> message.
>
> How many different drive cables have you tried?
>
> Unfortunately, the best way to track down which component is the  
> problem is to have multiples of everything (e.g. disk controllers,  
> drive cables, floppy drives, CoCo's).
>
> -- JP
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Fri Sep 12 22:48:44 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:48:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a26-3029
	FDC.
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <32603234513C4AC8ACE229F43D246394@trotter>

>I mean that the cable is on correct, the drive light and motor turn on 
>after I press ENTER when entering DSKINI0 to format the diskette.  The 
>drive proceeds to spin the disk and move the head for about 35 track 
>adjustments then makes a normal type of I am not going to complete my  job 
>grind noise, and then I get the ?IO ERROR message.
Right, the first pass writes formatting information to the disk.  Then it 
steps back to the start and tries to read what it wrote.  Since it can't you 
get a I/O ERROR.

> Unfortunately I do not have an already formatted CoCo diskette.  I  will 
> have to setup an older 386 / 486 / Pentium class board and case  to see if 
> these drives actually work,
Well a rare Pentium 2 or 3 class machine will have 5.25" floppy support.  It 
is a BIOS issue more than anything else.

> but from your interpretation, I likely have to do something with the FDC. 
> I have read about the need  to replace the 7416 with 7406.
Another controller for testing might help.

Are you in Canada by any chance?

Bruce W. 



From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 22:49:53 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:49:53 -0600
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <4E711C61-2E69-4E69-AA3E-362E07C04F70@pritchard.ca>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca>
	<C649A840-6977-477E-8FBE-110D2B6F2C23@gmail.com>
	<4E711C61-2E69-4E69-AA3E-362E07C04F70@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <624FE196-C26C-4762-8919-8205F8040D29@gmail.com>

On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> Four.  including two brand new.
>
> On 12-Sep-08, at 9:20 PM, J.P. Samson wrote:
>> How many different drive cables have you tried?
>>
>> Unfortunately, the best way to track down which component is the  
>> problem is to have multiples of everything (e.g. disk controllers,  
>> drive cables, floppy drives, CoCo's).
>>

It's not the drive cable, then!  ;-)

-- JP



From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Sep 12 22:55:14 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:55:14 -0500
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a26-3029
	FDC.
In-Reply-To: <32603234513C4AC8ACE229F43D246394@trotter>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca>
	<32603234513C4AC8ACE229F43D246394@trotter>
Message-ID: <6121261A-7C2C-468D-8139-2449A7343839@pritchard.ca>

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada as a matter of fact.

Don't have another controller to play with, unfortunately.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 12-Sep-08, at 9:48 PM, Bruce W. Calkins wrote:

>> I mean that the cable is on correct, the drive light and motor turn  
>> on after I press ENTER when entering DSKINI0 to format the  
>> diskette.  The drive proceeds to spin the disk and move the head  
>> for about 35 track adjustments then makes a normal type of I am not  
>> going to complete my  job grind noise, and then I get the ?IO ERROR  
>> message.
> Right, the first pass writes formatting information to the disk.   
> Then it steps back to the start and tries to read what it wrote.   
> Since it can't you get a I/O ERROR.
>
>> Unfortunately I do not have an already formatted CoCo diskette.  I   
>> will have to setup an older 386 / 486 / Pentium class board and  
>> case  to see if these drives actually work,
> Well a rare Pentium 2 or 3 class machine will have 5.25" floppy  
> support.  It is a BIOS issue more than anything else.
>
>> but from your interpretation, I likely have to do something with  
>> the FDC. I have read about the need  to replace the 7416 with 7406.
> Another controller for testing might help.
>
> Are you in Canada by any chance?
>
> Bruce W.
>
> --
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From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Fri Sep 12 23:00:32 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:00:32 -0400
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with
	a26-3029FDC.
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu><D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca><32603234513C4AC8ACE229F43D246394@trotter>
	<6121261A-7C2C-468D-8139-2449A7343839@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <6728AAE127AC433993117072352BBE99@trotter>

> Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada as a matter of fact.
>
> Don't have another controller to play with, unfortunately.

>> Are you in Canada by any chance?

Well, that puts you a little out of my service territory of the Chattanooga, 
TN area. ;)

Bruce W. 



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Sep 12 23:12:03 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Coco]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?STATUS_-_Re=3A_Resurrecting_a_CoCo_=2826-30?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?01=29_with_a=0926-3029_FDC=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <C649A840-6977-477E-8FBE-110D2B6F2C23@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<D4CE8249-0B22-4C9A-B182-C627BF9A295A@pritchard.ca>
	<C649A840-6977-477E-8FBE-110D2B6F2C23@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809122312.03150.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 12 September 2008, J.P. Samson wrote:
>On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>> I mean that the cable is on correct, the drive light and motor turn
>> on after I press ENTER when entering DSKINI0 to format the
>> diskette.  The drive proceeds to spin the disk and move the head for
>> about 35 track adjustments then makes a normal type of I am not
>> going to complete my job grind noise, and then I get the ?IO ERROR
>> message.
>
>How many different drive cables have you tried?
>
>Unfortunately, the best way to track down which component is the
>problem is to have multiples of everything (e.g. disk controllers,
>drive cables, floppy drives, CoCo's).
>
One thing that no one has mentioned yet, the cable terminations.  Floppy 
drives are a bit like scsi in that the cables are loaded at the far end, and 
it may be possible that if the drive isn't 'terminated' correctly. there 
could be data errors.  This 'termination' should only be installed in the 
drive on the far end of the cable, and should be removed from drives 
connected in the middle of the cable.

Continuing on down the menu:

Severely dirty heads could also do that since the formatting of a floppy is 
driven entirely by the stepper and the index pulse, and if when it steps back 
to track zero to begin verifying the format, and can't find a valid first 
sector of the first track, it will sit and re-seek several times before 
giving up, throwing up the IO Error when it does.

On single sided drives, the felt pad that replaces the 2nd head may have come 
off, which would give a very poor and intermittent contact with the disk, and 
again the ?IO ERROR is returned. A small flashlight through the disk slot 
near one end so as to see past the spindle might be an 'illuminating' 
experience. :)

>-- JP
>
>
>--
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>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
It'll be a nice world if they ever get it finished.


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 23:21:23 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:21:23 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  Broken CC3
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house><001e01c914e2$9bed62c0$d4b1b1d8@house><002301c914e3$8919f040$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<200809121056.32788.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001401c9154f$cd27d830$d4b1b1d8@house>


 Well, DARN!

 I can't figure it. I went through the switching power supply and can't find 
anything that's causing the noise and ripple. I've changed several suspect 
caps.

 The ripple from the head stepper in the disk drive is showing up on the 5V 
line. I've buffered the 5V line with a 2200uf cap to the coco and the 
problem persists. If I DIR 1, the coco will give an I/O error(there is no 
drive 1). If I DIR to the drive that it does have, the coco crashes.
 I tried another drive and the results were the same.
 If I don't put a disk in the drive, the motor won't spin. This results in 
head movement, but no motor, no crash on the coco.

BTW, I only use 3.5 inch drives and I'm doing all my tests in RSDOS with a 
Disto SCII. However, I did try with a Tandy controller and the results were 
the same..

 It's odd that if the drive's motor isn't spinning, the coco doesn't crash. 
I can still see the ripple from the head stepper on the 5V line to the coco.

I thought that perhaps when I typed DIR something was being introduced to 
the memory that might be causing the crash, so I did a DSKINI(0) and the 
coco crashes after only a few tracks.

I'm wondering if perhaps there may be a bad cap somewhere on the coco.

Ideas? Suggestions? I'm about to start looking for hair on my head to pull 
out. This is exasperating.

George 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 23:24:12 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:24:12 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
References: <mailman.3.1221192524.90540.coco@maltedmedia.com>	<48C9F5CB.8040605@usfamily.net><010501c91509$dce1bc00$96a53400$@com>
	<010901c91511$bb2c9be0$3185d3a0$@com>
Message-ID: <002101c91550$31c682f0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 I'm curious.

 Is this game based on the TV show "Have Gun, Will Travel" ?

George


From lamune at doki-doki.net  Fri Sep 12 23:31:24 2008
From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:31:24 -0700
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029FDC.
In-Reply-To: <1DFB6FDA-B384-4981-895F-C6FAB0521C92@pritchard.ca>
References: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca>
	<1DFB6FDA-B384-4981-895F-C6FAB0521C92@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D72F@fenestra.lamunet.local>

Unfortunately the only 26-3001 I have documented at 

http://www.doki-doki.net/~lamune/computers/coco/26-3001/

is an original 4K machine. I have a 64k upgraded one (in bad physical
shape) somewhere in my bins of CoCos. If I see it I'll grab it and share
the upgrade method, but in a nutshell I think what they did was set the
jumpers to 32K and then route the center pin of the HIGH/LOW jumper to
Z7 of the SAM.

Also in the case of floppys that don't work right- assuming the drives
are good and the cable is correct- a blown FIRQ line on the 6809 would
cause issues.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Pritchard
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:22 AM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-
> 3029FDC.
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks to everyone who had responded the to my original post.  Here is
> a status update, and from the status I am hoping for some further
> assistance.
> 
> Thanks go out to Darren A for setting me up with a Extended Color
> Basic 1.1 ROM.
> 
> My 26-3029 FDC is the 7 chip WD1773 based version thus I will not be
> able to mod it to work at HD.  Oh Well!
> 
> I have been trying to format disks in either 3.5" or 5.25" (I can't
> believe I had two boxes of KAO 5.25" DSDD never opened kicking
> around).  Anyway I get IO errors at the end of the formatting routine
> regardless of 3.5" or 5.25" drive / media.
> Here is a list of my 5.25" FDDs:
> Panasonic JU-475-4 A55
> Panasonic JU-455-5 AAG
> Teac FD-55GFR-570-U
> Teac FD-55GFR 149-U5
> Mitsumi F509V3
> 
> 3.5" FDDs
> Fujitsu M2537D15D
> Fujitsu M2537B11D
> Teac FD-235HF 3240-U5
> 
> For all the drives I have tried to ensure that the DC/RY jumpers are
> set to Drive Ready and not Drive Change.  I have jumper settings for
> some of them, but it seems to not help. The cable I am using has been
> returned to straight through mode.
> 
> I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the
> 26-3001 REV E board.  Currently it has 16K installed, the jumpers all
> mention the 32K setting.  The closest instructions I have found are
> from an archive of Paul Demarni's Coco pages
> (http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html
> ).  It instructs about the 32K upgrade and makes reference to him
> having instructions for the 64K upgrade.
> 
> The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue of
> Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I
> can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
> 
> 
> 
> On 24-Aug-08, at 9:53 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> 
> > Hello out there,
> >
> > Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am
> > looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour.
> >
> > Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to Dennis
> > telling me some information about the mailing list server.
> >
> >
> > I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired years
> > ago.  The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the
> > Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all
> > the way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I
> > have are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card.
> >
> > Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1.
> > It has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I
> > could install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one.
> >
> > I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to
> > boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk
> > related.  Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look
> > at to determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and
> > booting from the FDC ROM?  The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA
> > MV-1 38 84, and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip.  The markings on
> > the ROM are TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A.
> >
> > It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or
> > chips, though I have not tested any of them.  Also I have tried the
> > time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the
> > problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo.
> >
> > Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time
> > in their lives, help would sure be appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ryan Pritchard
> > Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
> 
> 
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From mechacoco at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 23:55:34 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:55:34 -0600
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029FDC.
In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D72F@fenestra.lamunet.local>
References: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca>
	<1DFB6FDA-B384-4981-895F-C6FAB0521C92@pritchard.ca>
	<4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D72F@fenestra.lamunet.local>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809122055u6110c4b6j3de1acb7ec3d09fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/12/08, Mike Pepe wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Also in the case of floppys that don't work right- assuming the drives
> are good and the cable is correct- a blown FIRQ line on the 6809 would
> cause issues.
>
>
---

I think you mean the HALT line Mike.  FIRQ isn't used in Tandy's controllers.

I've had two 6809's that have blown the HALT line. On one of them
asserting HALT would reset the CPU, on the other asserting HALT would
permenatly halt until reset. If the HALT line isn't functioning at all
then the CPU won't wait for the FDC to tell it that it's ready, which
would probably result in I/O errors.

Darren


From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au  Sat Sep 13 00:33:50 2008
From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:33:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
Message-ID: <141515.13521.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

By what I remember about the Game review for Paladin's Legacy, The reviewer said it was 1 of the best RPG games done for the coco 1,2 since GOFD, And the game play was excellent as well as the graphics.

laters

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From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 13 00:51:16 2008
From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
In-Reply-To: <001401c9154f$cd27d830$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <005d01c914a1$f3361db0$d4b1b1d8@house><001e01c914e2$9bed62c0$d4b1b1d8@house><002301c914e3$8919f040$d4b1b1d8@house>	<200809121056.32788.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<001401c9154f$cd27d830$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <48CB46C4.2060507@sbcglobal.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
>
> Well, DARN!
<Stuff deleted>
For higher frequency noise, I would use a smaller cap. Like a 0.1uf 
cap.This should filter the 100kHz better. A 2200uf will fill in a 60HZ 
ripple and deliver a higher current, like from a power supply.
> The ripple from the head stepper in the disk drive is showing up on 
> the 5V line. I've buffered the 5V line with a 2200uf cap to the coco 
> and the problem persists. If I DIR 1, the coco will give an I/O 
> error(there is no drive 1). If I DIR to the drive that it does have, 
> the coco crashes.
>
What is the 5 Volt value when the drive is not running?
What is it when the drive runs?
If the volts are marginal the drive running my drop the value below 4.75V.

> It's odd that if the drive's motor isn't spinning, the coco doesn't 
> crash. I can still see the ripple from the head stepper on the 5V line 
> to the coco.
>
> I thought that perhaps when I typed DIR something was being introduced 
> to the memory that might be causing the crash, so I did a DSKINI(0) 
> and the coco crashes after only a few tracks.
>
> I'm wondering if perhaps there may be a bad cap somewhere on the coco.
Check its values DC and AC ripple.
>
> Ideas? Suggestions? I'm about to start looking for hair on my head to 
> pull out. This is exasperating.
>
> George
>
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From RJRTTY at aol.com  Sat Sep 13 01:56:09 2008
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:56:09 EDT
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
Message-ID: <d3d.2806193b.35fcaff9@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/12/2008 11:21:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
georgeramsower at gmail.com writes:

>Well, DARN!

>I can't  figure it. I went through the switching power supply and can't find 
 
>anything that's causing the noise and ripple. I've changed several  suspect 
>caps.

>The ripple from the head stepper in the disk  drive is showing up on the 5V 
>line. I've buffered the 5V line with a  2200uf cap to the coco and the 
>problem persists. If I DIR 1, the coco  will give an I/O error(there is no 
>drive 1). If I DIR to the drive that  it does have, the coco crashes.
>I tried another drive and the results  were the same.
>If I don't put a disk in the drive, the motor won't spin.  This results in 
>head movement, but no motor, no crash on the coco.
 
George.. try another power supply if you can.   I had an  old
PC AT once that had a marginal power supply that couldn't handle
disk motor activation.........
 
Roy
 
 



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From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sat Sep 13 06:21:56 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:21:56 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Creating blank disks in VCC
Message-ID: <091320081021.29016.48CB9444000C711D0000715822058861720B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Failure to RTFM can can get very rude replies in some forums, this one is (so far, with one exception and while I don't desire the need, nobody misses Hex) as polite as any I've found.  I'll learn from your experience, as I haven't yet tried the VCC emulator (and probably won't, since I don't do Windows) but sometimes I miss where the documentation from other packages lives, I don't like the info system (I prefer man pages) and I can't buy every book Tim O'Reilly publishes despite the number of times he saved my life back in the day.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Richard Adams wrote:
> > Instructions for creating a blank image are in the PDF manual for  
> > VCC that should be in your VCC directory, and in your VCC Start menu  
> > as 'Welcome to VCC'.
> 
> Busted for not reading the manual!  This is handy to know, Richard.   
> Thanks.


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sat Sep 13 07:55:45 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:55:45 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
Message-ID: <091320081155.11999.48CBAA410004664100002EDF22058891160B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

From: "J.P. Samson" <jps.subscriptions at gmail.com>
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:42 PM, <t.fadden at cox.net> <t.fadden at cox.net>  
> wrote:
> > Yes, I have  it.  Will do it when I get home, if someone else hasn't  
> > already.
> 
> You might want to give Allan advance warning if the Rainbow review of  
> Paladin is... how should I put it... not positive.  ;-)
> 
> -- JP

I think Allan is old enough to deal with that by now if that was the case.
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From operator at coco3.com  Sat Sep 13 16:35:11 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:35:11 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
Message-ID: <20080913203543.35D3A20A35@qs281.pair.com>

We still have power for now, amazingly.  Trees are down, the roads 
are covered with debree and so forth.  The winds are very rough.  The 
trees are whipping around madly as you'd expect.  My 8 yeard old son 
and I have been hanging out on the "porch" with digital video trying 
to capture something - what, I don't know, maybe memories.  I'll 
update later if anything more drastic happens.

In another story, UPS sent me directly towards the north part of the 
eye this morning even after I asked to stay local; they sent me to 
Henderson TX as the eye was not too far south of there.  I delivered 
4 packages in these conditions.  The rain was being sucked across the 
road at times.  It was hard to handle the truck at times but I safely 
returned to the center and then back home after a total of 3 
hours.  I veered around numerous trees covering (luckily) half of the 
road in some places.

Wow.





From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Sat Sep 13 17:08:40 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <002101c91550$31c682f0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <mailman.3.1221192524.90540.coco@maltedmedia.com>	<48C9F5CB.8040605@usfamily.net><010501c91509$dce1bc00$96a53400$@com>	<010901c91511$bb2c9be0$3185d3a0$@com>
	<002101c91550$31c682f0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <000101c915e4$e6aa7f70$b3ff7e50$@com>

George,

I've never heard of that TV show.

The game was my own unique creation however the design was heavily
influenced by the Ultima series of games on the Apple computer.  Ultima came
out in the early 1980s programmed by Richard Garriott founder of of Origin
Systems and was followed with Ultima II, III, IV etc. etc.  The story in
Paladin's Legacy is completely unique but again heavily influenced by
everything J.R.R. Tolkien (As is just about all Fantasy).  This style of
game is basically Pen and paper D&D on computer.  Ultima and Wizardy were a
couple of the first attempts to graphically represent a D&D style game on
computer.  To this day, I vividly remember playing Ultima I for the first
time on an Apple computer at a friend's house while I was in High School.
We stayed up all night and played.  I received my Color Computer for
Christmas around that time and was horrified to find that there were no
games like Ultima available for it.  So I started programming.  4 years
later, during my junior year in college, I sent the game off and the third
company who reviewed it wanted to publish it.  A conversion to COCO 3, many
many bug fixes, and a year later and by Christmas 1989 it was finally done.
Unfortunately the COCO market was collapsing at that point.  So it sold for
about 4 months and then that was it.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of George Ramsower
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:24 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

 I'm curious.

 Is this game based on the TV show "Have Gun, Will Travel" ?

George

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From cdiman7 at flash.net  Sat Sep 13 17:12:51 2008
From: cdiman7 at flash.net (KARL SEFCIK)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <20080913203543.35D3A20A35@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rog,
I think UPS is trying to compete too much with the post office 
"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night".
Dude, stay safe, our prayers are with you. The Dallas arfea just started getting rain about 2PM. I'm a skywatcher here for one of the tv stations, and there was no rain overnight, I wa sup all night at work keeping an ear open for falling raindrops,lol.
Karl


--- On Sat, 9/13/08, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:
From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
To: "cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 4:35 PM

We still have power for now, amazingly.  Trees are down, the roads 
are covered with debree and so forth.  The winds are very rough.  The 
trees are whipping around madly as you'd expect.  My 8 yeard old son 
and I have been hanging out on the "porch" with digital video trying 
to capture something - what, I don't know, maybe memories.  I'll 
update later if anything more drastic happens.

In another story, UPS sent me directly towards the north part of the 
eye this morning even after I asked to stay local; they sent me to 
Henderson TX as the eye was not too far south of there.  I delivered 
4 packages in these conditions.  The rain was being sucked across the 
road at times.  It was hard to handle the truck at times but I safely 
returned to the center and then back home after a total of 3 
hours.  I veered around numerous trees covering (luckily) half of the 
road in some places.

Wow.




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From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep 13 17:19:59 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:19:59 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev>

On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 14:12 -0700, KARL SEFCIK wrote:
> Rog,
> I think UPS is trying to compete too much with the post office 
> "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night".


As they should.  I stopped by a local post office to ship a box today,
and they rather rudely informed me that I couldn't use the cat-litter
box I'd packed the goods in.  "If it's not cat litter in the box you
can't send that."  I can't for the life of me figure out what their
problem is - and what an ass.  I hate civil "servants" sometimes.

To clarify, this was not USED cat litter, though you would think so if
you saw this moron's face.

Luckily a UPS store was right next door.  So I walked and shipped.  For
less than the post office probably would have charged for priority mail.
And I get a tracking number and stuff, no extra charge.

C.





From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 13 17:24:41 2008
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
Message-ID: <243736.72025.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If no one else has replied so far, I do have this issue and can scan if needed.

Bob



----- Original Message ----
From: Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 7:22:04 AM
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC.

Hi all,
<snip>
I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the? 
26-3001 REV E board.<snip>...instructions for the 64K upgrade.

The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue of? 
Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I? 
can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



      


From fredprov5 at usfamily.net  Sat Sep 13 17:47:41 2008
From: fredprov5 at usfamily.net (Fred D. Provoncha)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:47:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.127.1221249431.56714.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.127.1221249431.56714.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48CC34FD.8030808@usfamily.net>

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:41:01 -0500
> From: "Allan Chaney" <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <00d901c914e5$943be7b0$bcb3b710$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Fred,
>
> Man this is too funny.
>
> You need two things to descend into the Mines and gather vast wealth (found
> in chests) and numerous magic items and stat increases (found in special
> Black Boxes).  The first is the Thieves Kit which allows you to unlock the
> Mines entrance.  You buy a thieves kit at the Thieves City for 300 Gold.
> With the Thieves kit you are able to enter through either side of the
> mountains.  You will find however that as you descend into the mines,
> darkness will engulf you further and further until you can't see.  A female
> thief named Tamara in the Human City tells you of an Elven Torch which she
> dropped while fleeing for her life from creatures in the mines.  You can
> find the Elven torch by entering the mines on the opposite of the mountains.
> Apparently, Tamara, being a master thief had both a Thieves Kit and Climbing
> Boots.  With Climbing boots, purchased from the Thieves City you can walk
> across the mountains.  Same goes for Snow boots when trying to climb the
> slippery snow covered mountains in the North
>
> Dealing with Thieves:  You have to buy the boots at the Thieves City in the
> swamps as you already know.  This turns you evil but you can always go to
> the cathedral which is just a few clicks directly west of the Main castle
> and the Human city.  At the Cathedral, you have 2 options.  You can pay 100
> gold for a potion that you can then Use (U) command and it will heal you for
> 100 HP.  (I think that should be changed by the way to 25 gold because 100
> is way too much.  I guess at the time I was thinking that that is the
> penalty for choosing the evil path.)  Anyway you are much better off with
> your second option in the Cathedral which is to give 10 gold to Sister Shara
> and she makes you pure of heart.  Once you are pure of heart again, you can
> walk over to Elm, the city of elves and be healed for free by the Wood
> Nymph.
>
> Another thing to keep in mind is you will find numerous amazing magical
> items in the mines like a magic carpet, invisibility cloak, All seeing
> Sorcerer's Eye and more.  But in order to use these items you must be versed
> in the 5 Magical Arts (Magic, Sorcery, Thaumatergy, Wizardry and Alchemy).
> You must train and study each magical art (acquire and read the appropriate
> scroll) before you can use the magical items.  There is a city for each
> magical art where you can study and acquire the scrolls.
>
> Another tip....You can steal a boat from the Thieves City and that sure
> beats paying 1000 gold for one.  I think I was being ironic.....thieving
> from thieves.
>
> Allan


Allan,

Thanks again for the help! Last night I played it again for the first time in a few years and your tips definitely helped. The major problem was I had never figured out that you could be changed back to Good by paying 10 gold to Sister Shara in the Cathedral. Armed with that knowledge, I made a lot of progress last night. I was kicking butt until I entered the mine on the far side of the mountains looking for the Elven Torch. The creatures down there are powerful! I didn't get far before they wasted me.  I'll try earning more experience, get my experience level higher, and try again. I'll let you know *when* I get stuck again :-)

Thanks,
Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT



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From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 13 20:08:21 2008
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:08:21 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev>
References: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>

The power went off here in Todd Mission at 12;45 last night,it is 6:45 
and still not back on.. Talk is 2 to 3 weeks!!!!!


We lost 1 tree. Another place on the street had a hole punched in the 
top of his PU camper.

Renaissance  Festival main office had back roof blown off. Drove into 
Magnolia this afternoon and all places were without power. Several trees 
down along highway, none across.

Rain stopped 3 1/2 - 4 hours ago and is none standing now. We still need 
some rain. Only place that I know of where water is blocking the road is 
at low water crossings. Most bar ditches are low or empty except where a 
culvert is clogged.


From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Sat Sep 13 20:44:37 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:44:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
In-Reply-To: <48CC34FD.8030808@usfamily.net>
References: <mailman.127.1221249431.56714.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<48CC34FD.8030808@usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c91603$1133cc10$339b6430$@com>

Fred,

Don't forget to talk to the Queen in the castle.  She levels you up based
upon your newly acquired experience and with new levels comes a higher HP
maximum.  Then go back to the Wood nymph and she will heal you to your max
hp.

That will help a lot in the mines.  Also keep an eye out for black boxes in
the mines.  You'll find strength and dexterity in those black boxes along
with other magic items.

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Fred D. Provoncha
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:48 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:41:01 -0500
> From: "Allan Chaney" <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
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>
> Fred,
>
> Man this is too funny.
>
> You need two things to descend into the Mines and gather vast wealth
(found
> in chests) and numerous magic items and stat increases (found in special
> Black Boxes).  The first is the Thieves Kit which allows you to unlock the
> Mines entrance.  You buy a thieves kit at the Thieves City for 300 Gold.
> With the Thieves kit you are able to enter through either side of the
> mountains.  You will find however that as you descend into the mines,
> darkness will engulf you further and further until you can't see.  A
female
> thief named Tamara in the Human City tells you of an Elven Torch which she
> dropped while fleeing for her life from creatures in the mines.  You can
> find the Elven torch by entering the mines on the opposite of the
mountains.
> Apparently, Tamara, being a master thief had both a Thieves Kit and
Climbing
> Boots.  With Climbing boots, purchased from the Thieves City you can walk
> across the mountains.  Same goes for Snow boots when trying to climb the
> slippery snow covered mountains in the North
>
> Dealing with Thieves:  You have to buy the boots at the Thieves City in
the
> swamps as you already know.  This turns you evil but you can always go to
> the cathedral which is just a few clicks directly west of the Main castle
> and the Human city.  At the Cathedral, you have 2 options.  You can pay
100
> gold for a potion that you can then Use (U) command and it will heal you
for
> 100 HP.  (I think that should be changed by the way to 25 gold because 100
> is way too much.  I guess at the time I was thinking that that is the
> penalty for choosing the evil path.)  Anyway you are much better off with
> your second option in the Cathedral which is to give 10 gold to Sister
Shara
> and she makes you pure of heart.  Once you are pure of heart again, you
can
> walk over to Elm, the city of elves and be healed for free by the Wood
> Nymph.
>
> Another thing to keep in mind is you will find numerous amazing magical
> items in the mines like a magic carpet, invisibility cloak, All seeing
> Sorcerer's Eye and more.  But in order to use these items you must be
versed
> in the 5 Magical Arts (Magic, Sorcery, Thaumatergy, Wizardry and Alchemy).
> You must train and study each magical art (acquire and read the
appropriate
> scroll) before you can use the magical items.  There is a city for each
> magical art where you can study and acquire the scrolls.
>
> Another tip....You can steal a boat from the Thieves City and that sure
> beats paying 1000 gold for one.  I think I was being ironic.....thieving
> from thieves.
>
> Allan


Allan,

Thanks again for the help! Last night I played it again for the first time
in a few years and your tips definitely helped. The major problem was I had
never figured out that you could be changed back to Good by paying 10 gold
to Sister Shara in the Cathedral. Armed with that knowledge, I made a lot of
progress last night. I was kicking butt until I entered the mine on the far
side of the mountains looking for the Elven Torch. The creatures down there
are powerful! I didn't get far before they wasted me.  I'll try earning more
experience, get my experience level higher, and try again. I'll let you know
*when* I get stuck again :-)

Thanks,
Fred Provoncha
Stansbury Park, UT



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From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 13 21:58:42 2008
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:58:42 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>
References: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev>
	<48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>
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Still raining up here in Dallas. Wind is gusting over 30MPH, so not too 
bad. KInda like a T-Storm. Hope your power comes back on soon. we had a 
power blip, lasted about 2 secs. enough that I had to go around and 
reset all the clocks. LOL

John Donaldson



Dave Kelly wrote:

> The power went off here in Todd Mission at 12;45 last night,it is 6:45 
> and still not back on.. Talk is 2 to 3 weeks!!!!!
>
>
> We lost 1 tree. Another place on the street had a hole punched in the 
> top of his PU camper.
>
> Renaissance  Festival main office had back roof blown off. Drove into 
> Magnolia this afternoon and all places were without power. Several 
> trees down along highway, none across.
>
> Rain stopped 3 1/2 - 4 hours ago and is none standing now. We still 
> need some rain. Only place that I know of where water is blocking the 
> road is at low water crossings. Most bar ditches are low or empty 
> except where a culvert is clogged.
>
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From coconut at pritchard.ca  Sun Sep 14 00:12:01 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:12:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <243736.72025.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <243736.72025.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <318F3FB5-CFE3-497D-AC83-D5FAFA59F03E@pritchard.ca>

Could you please?  I have found one article in a Color Micro Journal  
on Maltedmedia thanks to Darren, but a second one would be appreciated  
because it seems there are some pins that have to be rerouted, and  
having to articles with information to compare will make me a little  
more comfortable.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 13-Sep-08, at 4:24 PM, theother_bob wrote:

> If no one else has replied so far, I do have this issue and can scan  
> if needed.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 7:22:04 AM
> Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a  
> 26-3029 FDC.
>
> Hi all,
> <snip>
> I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the
> 26-3001 REV E board.<snip>...instructions for the 64K upgrade.
>
> The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue of
> Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I
> can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>
>
>
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From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 14 07:23:23 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:23:23 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Ike and coco3.com webmaster
Message-ID: <091420081123.7778.48CCF42B0009F54100001E6222092246270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

There's been a week of warning that the storm would be passing through Texas.  Anybody who has gotten so low on drugs that they need it next day under those circumstances is either (1) an idiot and Darwin was right or (2) see (1).  Organ transplants may be a different story, but as I recall, the hospitals were evacuated of all non-essential personnel (such as patients waiting for transplants) several days ago.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> I'll be out delivering Next Day Air packages (Saturday) just as the 
> eye is approaching our city area.  Hopefully the boss will reconsider 
> and let us go back home.  However, some people order prescription 
> drugs that they NEED right away, so that will probably have 
> priority.  Or if a human organ is rushed to a hospital, it goes 
> without saying that it will be delivered even in a 
> hurricane.  Personally, I don't think there will be a UPS plane in 


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 14 07:54:39 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:54:39 +0000
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with
	a	26-3029 FDC.
Message-ID: <091420081154.20326.48CCFB7F000BDA6C00004F6622070208530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Does anyone have any details on how to fabricate new head load pads?  It's not so critical for my 5.25" drives (I have several spare drives), but the 8" CDC drives on my TRS-80 Model 2 really need replacements, and that machine is older than any of the parts managers at the computer stores around north Jersey.
--
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"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> On single sided drives, the felt pad that replaces the 2nd head may have come 
> off, which would give a very poor and intermittent contact with the disk, and 
> again the ?IO ERROR is returned. A small flashlight through the disk slot 
> near one end so as to see past the spindle might be an 'illuminating' 
> experience. :)


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Sep 14 09:47:01 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:47:01 -0400
Subject: [Coco]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?STATUS_-_Re=3A_Resurrecting_a_CoCo_=2826-30?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?01=29_with=09a=0926-3029_FDC=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <091420081154.20326.48CCFB7F000BDA6C00004F6622070208530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <091420081154.20326.48CCFB7F000BDA6C00004F6622070208530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200809140947.02045.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 14 September 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
>Does anyone have any details on how to fabricate new head load pads?  It's
> not so critical for my 5.25" drives (I have several spare drives), but the
> 8" CDC drives on my TRS-80 Model 2 really need replacements, and that
> machine is older than any of the parts managers at the computer stores
> around north Jersey. --
>Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

An old felt hat might have the raw material if its thick enough.  Or check the 
sewing stuff's shelves at Wally World for those little green dots with waxed 
paper covered contact cement on one side, intended for bottom of furniture 
foot padding.  I don't have any idea if that glue will be good long term, but 
its worth a try.  I put some larger versions of that made from a coarse brown 
felt, at Lowes in sheets about 1/8" thick, cut to size, on the bottoms of the 
legs of the gun cabinet I made last year, and they have stayed in place well 
as I've slid it around on an engineered hardwood floor. 30 years from now?  
No way to tell and I doubt I'll be here to check.

I think those may also have had a drop of some almost wax-like lubricant 
melted into them to reduce friction, but that thought doesn't come with any 
real recommendations.  A small sliver of paraffin laid on it, and a hair 
drier used to melt it in till it disappears might be the general idea.  You 
do NOT want it to wet the disk surface cuz that will raise the friction of 
its turning inside the sleeve.  Any 8" disk today will turn at 2 or 3 times 
the torque it took 30 years ago anyway.  Just as in videotapes, they should 
be stored cold & at very low humidity.  Hot, high humidity conditions 
multiply the abrasiveness of the coatings many times.

You'll also have problems from the hub rosette in those drives, they shrink 
and warp with age because of the pressure applied when closed, this results 
in both reduced drive torque as the disk can slip, and poor disk centering, 
causing both edge damage to the disks holes, and eccentric tracks that a 
stepper driven head positioning system cannot track.  So those drives are 
best parked with the disks removed and the levers 'open'.  And generally, 
using only disks with hub reinforcement rings.  If you have stuff on 
un-reinforced disks, I would attempt to back them up to disks with the hub 
rings.  If you can lay the drives down so that the pressure rosette enters 
the disk from below which would take gravity out of the picture, you may be 
able to read even disks with damaged hubs.

As for replacement rosette's?  Today I expect you would have to have them made 
by a friendly machinist, I think I could make one out of HDPE if I had to.  
And I don't think I'd cut the fingers in my version, I'd just machine to size 
with a taper on the entry side.  Much stronger that way.

Good luck, Ward.  Those drives were the single biggest reason we retired an 
old character generator 15 years ago, even after I had replaced both of them 
with double sided Shugart's with direct drive spindle motors.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
'Ooohh.. "FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to Linux
over the wire". Film at 11.'
	-- Linus Torvalds


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 14 09:55:16 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:55:16 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
Message-ID: <091420081355.7290.48CD17C4000AE99D00001C7A22007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Actually, there are two major source streams in fantasy fiction which have merged and diverged regularly.  JRRT didn't publish LoTR until the late 50s (_The Hobbit_ was in 1939), but but back in the early 30s Robert Ervin Howard wrote the Conan stories (and a whole lot of other stuff that inspired Gary Gygax among others to build games before there were affordable computers to play them on).  ("Dungeons and Dragons" started as an expansion to "Chainmail").  Barbarians vs wizards were around a long time before friendly (they're not nice if you read the sources JRRT used) elves.  My late friend Poul Anderson did the first merging, so far as I can remember, he read many of JRRT's sources plus stuff from Denmark and Finland that JRRT missed.  But he'd also read REH as a kid.  He was also a more prolific writer, since during his early years he was paid by the word, not by a socialist government.  At least ten times as much has been published by JRRT's kids and grandkids (from his 
 notes)
 since he died than he was willing to submit to print.  (He had to deal with the assholes who ran the college he taught at, his descendants don't).

There weren't any computer games when I was a kid (well, except at MIT and Bell Labs but I was across the continent in Los Angeles) so I had no leisure activity except reading the literature the games would later be inspired by.  That and a lot of other books.  I never became much of a gamer.  (Although I could regularly achieve franchise in Klendathu in the 2nd half of my 20s because Heinlein was much more important to me than any fantasy stuff when I was a kid and still is).

I'm still looking for a copy of the advertised "School Edition" of Klendathu.  The company must of made at least one that didn't go into the dumpster behind Tandy Center.
-- 
-- Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Allan Chaney" <chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com>
> George,
> 
> I've never heard of that TV show.
> 
> The game was my own unique creation however the design was heavily
> influenced by the Ultima series of games on the Apple computer.  Ultima came
> out in the early 1980s programmed by Richard Garriott founder of of Origin
> Systems and was followed with Ultima II, III, IV etc. etc.  The story in
> Paladin's Legacy is completely unique but again heavily influenced by
> everything J.R.R. Tolkien (As is just about all Fantasy).  This style of
> game is basically Pen and paper D&D on computer.  Ultima and Wizardy were a
> couple of the first attempts to graphically represent a D&D style game on
> computer.  To this day, I vividly remember playing Ultima I for the first
> time on an Apple computer at a friend's house while I was in High School.
> We stayed up all night and played.  I received my Color Computer for
> Christmas around that time and was horrified to find that there were no
> games like Ultima available for it.  So I started programming.  4 years
> later, during my junior year in college, I sent the game off and the third
> company who reviewed it wanted to publish it.  A conversion to COCO 3, many
> many bug fixes, and a year later and by Christmas 1989 it was finally done.
> Unfortunately the COCO market was collapsing at that point.  So it sold for
> about 4 months and then that was it.
> 
> Allan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of George Ramsower
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:24 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy
> 
>  I'm curious.
> 
>  Is this game based on the TV show "Have Gun, Will Travel" ?
> 
> George
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From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 14 09:58:45 2008
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo1 Rev E 64K Upgrade by Kitsz
Message-ID: <993940.33329.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For the sake of a quick reply I am typing in the relevant portion of the article so you don't have to wait for me to set up?my manual?scanner. This is from The Color Computer Magazine, Oct. 1983, Custom Color by Dennis Kitsz, pp31-48 (wow! a mini-mag in itself, covering the lowerkit, 64k upgrades for all models up to NC board and?installing aftermarket?keyboards in the CoCo.)
-----------------------------
?? 64K Upgrade, Radio Shack style--Rev.E. Needed: screwdriver to open the case, snips, solder and iron, thin wire, eight 64K RAMs (type 4164/4864).
?
?? 1. Unplug and open the computer
?? 2. Remove the RF interference shield by cutting the white plastic straps and working the cover around the edges.
?? 3. Move four jumpers (one between U4 and U8, and three above the keyboard connector) up and over to the 32K position.
?? 4. Move the remaining umper (below C44) up and over to the 16/32K position.
?? 5. Solder or jumper together the two LO staking pins next to U29.
?? 7. Carefully remove U29 from its socket, and bend pins 4, 5 and 6 up and parallel to its body.
?? 8. Remove U11 from its socket, and bend pin 5 up and parallel to its body.
?? 9. Replace U29 and U11 in their sockets, except for the pins noted.
?? 10. Connect three wires: from U29 pin 6 to?U29 pin 8; from U29 pin 4 to U11 pin 5; from U29 pin 5 to TP1.
?? 11. Clip out capacitors C61, C31, C64, C35, C67, C45, C70 and C48.
?? 12. Remove the eight 4K or 16K memory chips U20 through U27.
?? 13. Install eight 64K memory chips, pointing in the same direction.
?? 14. Restore the interference shield and press it down, replace the?cover, and power up.
?? 15. PRINT MEM should reveal a 32K machine.


      


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 14 10:08:36 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:08:36 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
Message-ID: <091420081408.20408.48CD1AE4000C0C4500004FB822007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

The USPS is no competition.  The motto was rejected by the Postal Workers Union several decades ago.  (My first wife's husband used to be a shop steward, it's an industry I have contact with).  The only reason the motto is remembered is because of old movies on TCM and the carvings on some old buildings.  Postal workers are special because killing one is still a federal capital crime.  Killing anybody else is local.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: KARL SEFCIK <cdiman7 at flash.net>
> Rog,
> I think UPS is trying to compete too much with the post office 
> "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night".
> Dude, stay safe, our prayers are with you. The Dallas arfea just started getting 
> rain about 2PM. I'm a skywatcher here for one of the tv stations, and there was 
> no rain overnight, I wa sup all night at work keeping an ear open for falling 
> raindrops,lol.
> Karl
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com> wrote:
> From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
> Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
> To: "cocolist for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 4:35 PM
> 
> We still have power for now, amazingly.  Trees are down, the roads 
> are covered with debree and so forth.  The winds are very rough.  The 
> trees are whipping around madly as you'd expect.  My 8 yeard old son 
> and I have been hanging out on the "porch" with digital video trying 
> to capture something - what, I don't know, maybe memories.  I'll 
> update later if anything more drastic happens.
> 
> In another story, UPS sent me directly towards the north part of the 
> eye this morning even after I asked to stay local; they sent me to 
> Henderson TX as the eye was not too far south of there.  I delivered 
> 4 packages in these conditions.  The rain was being sucked across the 
> road at times.  It was hard to handle the truck at times but I safely 
> returned to the center and then back home after a total of 3 
> hours.  I veered around numerous trees covering (luckily) half of the 
> road in some places.
> 
> Wow.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 14 10:54:42 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:54:42 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
Message-ID: <091420081454.24628.48CD25B2000C2DF20000603422007340760B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Not that I'd ship used cat litter (it's enough work to drag the stuff out to the curb every week, we've got seven cats) the box mox nix after it's dumped clean sand into the litter boxes.  They're assholes, like any elected or appointed or hired off the street employee of any government.  (I guess I'm getting too political for this list, but everywhere else it's "preaching to the choir", here there might be some folks on the edge).  (But I wrote my first program for the Color Computer (well, one I adapted from one I'd written for the Mod One) shortly after I went to work at the Las Vegas RSCC 11/02/1980).

If anybody has a copy of the March 1981 issue of 80 Micro (the Dvorak keyboard cover), I need a copy of the article starting on page 153.  Lost my file copy several moves ago (as Poor Richard said, three removes equal one fire) but I'd like to see it again.  And translate it to Python.  (If you've got a copy of the later version I uploaded to several BBS systems, that'd be even better, but either way I'd like to turn the article into comments, something I couldn't do in the 16k & cassette days).
--
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"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 14:12 -0700, KARL SEFCIK wrote:
> > Rog,
> > I think UPS is trying to compete too much with the post office 
> > "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night".
> 
> 
> As they should.  I stopped by a local post office to ship a box today,
> and they rather rudely informed me that I couldn't use the cat-litter
> box I'd packed the goods in.  "If it's not cat litter in the box you
> can't send that."  I can't for the life of me figure out what their
> problem is - and what an ass.  I hate civil "servants" sometimes.
> 
> To clarify, this was not USED cat litter, though you would think so if
> you saw this moron's face.
> 
> Luckily a UPS store was right next door.  So I walked and shipped.  For
> less than the post office probably would have charged for priority mail.
> And I get a tracking number and stuff, no extra charge.


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Sun Sep 14 13:35:19 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:35:19 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CoCo1 Rev E 64K Upgrade by Kitsz
In-Reply-To: <993940.33329.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <993940.33329.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809141035i4f3c96c2qe284b0a918c76d4e@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Rev E board which has been modified for 64K (not by me).  I
sent the OP a digram which illustrates the modifications that were
made to the board. It matches the instructions you supplied from the
CCM article except that it uses pins 1, 2 and 3 of U29 instead of 4, 5
and 6.  I suppose you could use either set of pins since both of those
NOR gates (A and B) in the chip are otherwise unused. Also, instead of
connecting one of the jumper wires to TP1, mine connects it to pin 21
of PIA U8.  That's the same signal (R/W), so I assume it was chosen
for its proximity to U29.

The instructions you listed don't mention anything about R83.  Perhaps
that is in Step 6 which appears to be missing. I've seen two other
documents say that a 33 ohm resistor needs to be soldered to those
pins. My board has a jumper between those two pins rather than a
resistor. Does anyone know if that could cause a problem?

Darren

--------------

On 9/14/08, theother_bob wrote:
> For the sake of a quick reply I am typing in the relevant portion of the
> article so you don't have to wait for me to set up my manual scanner. This
> is from The Color Computer Magazine, Oct. 1983, Custom Color by Dennis
> Kitsz, pp31-48 (wow! a mini-mag in itself, covering the lowerkit, 64k
> upgrades for all models up to NC board and installing aftermarket keyboards
> in the CoCo.)
> -----------------------------
>    64K Upgrade, Radio Shack style--Rev.E. Needed: screwdriver to open the
> case, snips, solder and iron, thin wire, eight 64K RAMs (type 4164/4864).
>
>    1. Unplug and open the computer
>    2. Remove the RF interference shield by cutting the white plastic straps
> and working the cover around the edges.
>    3. Move four jumpers (one between U4 and U8, and three above the keyboard
> connector) up and over to the 32K position.
>    4. Move the remaining umper (below C44) up and over to the 16/32K
> position.
>    5. Solder or jumper together the two LO staking pins next to U29.
>    7. Carefully remove U29 from its socket, and bend pins 4, 5 and 6 up and
> parallel to its body.
>    8. Remove U11 from its socket, and bend pin 5 up and parallel to its
> body.
>    9. Replace U29 and U11 in their sockets, except for the pins noted.
>    10. Connect three wires: from U29 pin 6 to U29 pin 8; from U29 pin 4 to
> U11 pin 5; from U29 pin 5 to TP1.
>    11. Clip out capacitors C61, C31, C64, C35, C67, C45, C70 and C48.
>    12. Remove the eight 4K or 16K memory chips U20 through U27.
>    13. Install eight 64K memory chips, pointing in the same direction.
>    14. Restore the interference shield and press it down, replace the cover,
> and power up.
>    15. PRINT MEM should reveal a 32K machine.
>


From operator at coco3.com  Sun Sep 14 13:40:46 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20080913203543.35D3A20A35@qs281.pair.com>
	<84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080914174049.17B4020A3E@qs281.pair.com>

At 04:12 PM 9/13/2008, you wrote:
>Rog,
>I think UPS is trying to compete too much with the post office
>"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night".
>Dude, stay safe, our prayers are with you. The Dallas arfea just 
>started getting rain about 2PM. I'm a skywatcher here for one of the 
>tv stations, and there was no rain overnight, I wa sup all night at 
>work keeping an ear open for falling raindrops,lol.
>Karl

For that job I'd have to at least reserve the right to bust into the 
tv station's lounge any time I feel like it and pour me a big cup'a 
joe with all the trimmings.
I'd play them out.. bring photos of some falling rain and while 
they're musing over them I'm at the coffee maker making another 
batch, checking their fridge for goodies, etc.

My power just came back on about 2 hours ago, but hundreds of 
thousands aren't so lucky yet.  The power loss occurred for my area 
right as the "eye" area of the storm hit, but even long before and 
after we were still getting terrible gusts of wind in all 
directions.  In once instance a burst of wind so big came through 
that the trees which were full of water got hit from above I guess 
because they all kind blew apart and the air was filled with a huge 
cloud of water all the way down the road..  me and the son dove into 
the house in fear it was a tornado, then it just went away real quick 
to dead silence before coming back a minute later.

Anyway, it's over and I have lots of tree debree everywhere but 
nothing else to complain about I guess.  I'm grabbing the rakes right now.





From mechacoco at gmail.com  Sun Sep 14 13:42:02 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:42:02 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <091420081454.24628.48CD25B2000C2DF20000603422007340760B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <091420081454.24628.48CD25B2000C2DF20000603422007340760B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809141042g62a0550bpeed464b9151c7757@mail.gmail.com>

I have that issue scanned. Would you like me to e-mail it to your
comcast address?  Is pdf format okay?

Darren

--------------

On 9/14/08, wdg3rd at comcast.net <wdg3rd at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>   < snip >
>
> If anybody has a copy of the March 1981 issue of 80 Micro (the Dvorak
> keyboard cover), I need a copy of the article starting on page 153.  Lost my
> file copy several moves ago (as Poor Richard said, three removes equal one
> fire) but I'd like to see it again.  And translate it to Python.  (If you've
> got a copy of the later version I uploaded to several BBS systems, that'd be
> even better, but either way I'd like to turn the article into comments,
> something I couldn't do in the 16k & cassette days).
> --
> Ward Griffiths


From operator at coco3.com  Sun Sep 14 13:43:05 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:43:05 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>
References: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev> <48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080914174309.48A0E20A35@qs281.pair.com>

At 07:08 PM 9/13/2008, you wrote:
>The power went off here in Todd Mission at 12;45 last night,it is 
>6:45 and still not back on.. Talk is 2 to 3 weeks!!!!!
>
>
>We lost 1 tree. Another place on the street had a hole punched in 
>the top of his PU camper.
>
>Renaissance  Festival main office had back roof blown off. Drove 
>into Magnolia this afternoon and all places were without power. 
>Several trees down along highway, none across.

Magnolia Arkansas, or Tx?  I have "ex" family in Ar.




>Rain stopped 3 1/2 - 4 hours ago and is none standing now. We still 
>need some rain. Only place that I know of where water is blocking 
>the road is at low water crossings. Most bar ditches are low or 
>empty except where a culvert is clogged.
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco




From operator at coco3.com  Sun Sep 14 13:47:33 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <48CC6FD2.6050803@sbcglobal.net>
References: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev> <48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>
	<48CC6FD2.6050803@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20080914174735.AD48820A3E@qs281.pair.com>

At 08:58 PM 9/13/2008, you wrote:
>Still raining up here in Dallas. Wind is gusting over 30MPH, so not 
>too bad. KInda like a T-Storm. Hope your power comes back on soon. 
>we had a power blip, lasted about 2 secs. enough that I had to go 
>around and reset all the clocks. LOL
>
>John Donaldson

John, apparently the center of the storm came closer to Tyler even 
they the news kept saying Dallas.  They seem to have a problem with 
naming the bigger cities as impact areas and leaving out the small 
guys who really get hit.  Even so it was probably down to a high 
tropical grade before the center got here but we still got tore up 
some, mainly trees and loose objects.  Now I won't worry so much 
about any future hurricanes unless they hit the shore as a 3 to 5 
then I'll worry.





From mechacoco at gmail.com  Sun Sep 14 14:14:52 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:14:52 -0600
Subject: [Coco] 80 Micro Article
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809141114y7c1a58f2q968084f9e30f8789@mail.gmail.com>

The Dvorak Keyboard issue of 80 Micro is December 1980, not March
1981. Neither of those issues has an article that begins on page 153.
What particular article are you looking for?

Darren

-----------------
On 9/14/08, wdg3rd wrote:
>
>  < snip >
>
> If anybody has a copy of the March 1981 issue of 80 Micro (the Dvorak
> keyboard cover), I need a copy of the article starting on page 153.  Lost my
> file copy several moves ago (as Poor Richard said, three removes equal one
> fire) but I'd like to see it again.  And translate it to Python.  (If you've
> got a copy of the later version I uploaded to several BBS systems, that'd be
> even better, but either way I'd like to turn the article into comments,
> something I couldn't do in the 16k & cassette days).
> --
> Ward Griffiths


From jcewy at swbell.net  Sun Sep 14 16:52:38 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:52:38 -0500
Subject: [Coco] CoCo1 Rev E 64K Upgrade by Kitsz
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0809141035i4f3c96c2qe284b0a918c76d4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <993940.33329.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5d802cd0809141035i4f3c96c2qe284b0a918c76d4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48CD7996.5090003@swbell.net>

Darren A wrote:
> ...I've seen two other
> documents say that a 33 ohm resistor needs to be soldered to those
> pins. My board has a jumper between those two pins rather than a
> resistor. Does anyone know if that could cause a problem?
>
>   
Jumper = low ohm resistor...  :)
> Darren
> ...
>   


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Sep 14 17:04:35 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:04:35 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CoCo1 Rev E 64K Upgrade by Kitsz
In-Reply-To: <48CD7996.5090003@swbell.net>
References: <993940.33329.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5d802cd0809141035i4f3c96c2qe284b0a918c76d4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<48CD7996.5090003@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200809141704.35948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 14 September 2008, Joel Ewy wrote:
>Darren A wrote:
>> ...I've seen two other
>> documents say that a 33 ohm resistor needs to be soldered to those
>> pins. My board has a jumper between those two pins rather than a
>> resistor. Does anyone know if that could cause a problem?
>
>Jumper = low ohm resistor...  :)

It is also a ringing damper, using the conductors capacitance and the resistor 
as an rc filter.  It helped to keep the coco quasi-legal with the fcc's early 
rules for radiated noise.  33 ohms has minimal effect on the circuitry, but 
when the FCC got pickier and they had to use 120 ohm r's to make the grade, 
this started getting into the logic zero pulldown, which in turn reduced the 
noise margin of the circuitry, sometimes enough that many of those machines 
have had them shorted out for 20 years in order to run with stability.

>> Darren
>> ...
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
This life is a test.  It is only a test.  Had this been an actual life, you
would have received further instructions as to what to do and where to go.


From keeper63 at cox.net  Sun Sep 14 18:52:43 2008
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:52:43 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy - An Update
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1221400733.74342.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.31.1221400733.74342.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48CD95BB.9000900@cox.net>

All,

I have taken upon myself to create the archive for Paladin's Legacy, 
with help from Allan and a few other individuals on this list. I have 
collected everything that Allan and others have given me, and organized 
the archive in a logical manner. I have created files describing the 
contents, etc.

One of the things I have done in this archive is assemble all of the 
email messages I am a part of into a single file, both those posted here 
as well as those conducted off-list. I feel that the conversation that 
has been conducted for the assembly of the archive is just as important 
as the archive itself. I do want to ask that if there are any objections 
or modification requests (such as email address removal), please let me 
know.

Currently, I have everything in the archive as described (as well as 
some extra scans I created for the archive, both from the June 1990 
issue of the Rainbow - one is a scan of the inside front cover featuring 
the Sundog Systems advertisement with Paladin's Legacy featured, the 
other a scan of the game review on pages 74-75). I intend to release the 
archive once I know whether Allan can supply me with floppy images of 
the source code for the game - he currently has DriveWire on order, plus 
he has found that the floppies cause his floppy drive heads to "gum up" 
(ugh).

That is all for now - I will continue to post updates to the list as 
necessary...

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 14 19:50:46 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:50:46 +0000
Subject: [Coco] 80 Micro Article
Message-ID: <091420082350.9858.48CDA355000DC0100000268222073007930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Oops, according to the ToC on Ira's site it's page 154 of the March '81 issue.  Been twenty years since I actually had a copy and memory screwed up and mixed it with another favorite issue.

--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Darren A" <mechacoco at gmail.com>
> The Dvorak Keyboard issue of 80 Micro is December 1980, not March
> 1981. Neither of those issues has an article that begins on page 153.
> What particular article are you looking for?
> 
> Darren
> 
> -----------------
> On 9/14/08, wdg3rd wrote:
> >
> >  < snip >
> >
> > If anybody has a copy of the March 1981 issue of 80 Micro (the Dvorak
> > keyboard cover), I need a copy of the article starting on page 153.  Lost my
> > file copy several moves ago (as Poor Richard said, three removes equal one
> > fire) but I'd like to see it again.  And translate it to Python.  (If you've
> > got a copy of the later version I uploaded to several BBS systems, that'd be
> > even better, but either way I'd like to turn the article into comments,
> > something I couldn't do in the 16k & cassette days).
> > --
> > Ward Griffiths
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From rbihler at msn.com  Sun Sep 14 20:08:41 2008
From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:08:41 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy - An Update
References: <mailman.31.1221400733.74342.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<48CD95BB.9000900@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY118-DAV65D1E181AB6CB21CF9E9CAF520@phx.gbl>

Very nice idea, not often we have all the pieces of history present.  

Ron Bihler

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew" <keeper63 at cox.net>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy - An Update


> All,
> 
> I have taken upon myself to create the archive for Paladin's Legacy, 
> with help from Allan and a few other individuals on this list. I have 
> collected everything that Allan and others have given me, and organized 
> the archive in a logical manner. I have created files describing the 
> contents, etc.
> 
> One of the things I have done in this archive is assemble all of the 
> email messages I am a part of into a single file, both those posted here 
> as well as those conducted off-list. I feel that the conversation that 
> has been conducted for the assembly of the archive is just as important 
> as the archive itself. I do want to ask that if there are any objections 
> or modification requests (such as email address removal), please let me 
> know.
> 
> Currently, I have everything in the archive as described (as well as 
> some extra scans I created for the archive, both from the June 1990 
> issue of the Rainbow - one is a scan of the inside front cover featuring 
> the Sundog Systems advertisement with Paladin's Legacy featured, the 
> other a scan of the game review on pages 74-75). I intend to release the 
> archive once I know whether Allan can supply me with floppy images of 
> the source code for the game - he currently has DriveWire on order, plus 
> he has found that the floppies cause his floppy drive heads to "gum up" 
> (ugh).
> 
> That is all for now - I will continue to post updates to the list as 
> necessary...
> 
> -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Sun Sep 14 21:20:42 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:20:42 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your viewing
	pleasure.
Message-ID: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>

Hi everyone,

With a lot of this CoCo List talking about OS-9, I thought I would  
make an off-topic posting with a simple link and vague description to  
some OS-9 computer system pr0n.  We are talking about computers here  
folks.  The pictures of the systems should speak for themselves.  I  
will be posting more photos in the near future, as I will be removing  
the cards from the associated busses to take photos.

http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021

After viewing these photos, some of you may be wondering why I have  
been asking about the 64K upgrade instructions for the CoCo 1.   
Honestly I can't even begin to come up with a good reason.  Not with  
this evidence against me.

More information on these systems will be revealed after the photos  
have had a chance to be viewed.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies





From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sun Sep 14 21:31:46 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:31:46 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
	your	viewing pleasure.
In-Reply-To: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>
References: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <1221442306.9959.0.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 20:20 -0500, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021
> 
> After viewing these photos, some of you may be wondering why I have  
> been asking about the 64K upgrade instructions for the CoCo 1.   
> Honestly I can't even begin to come up with a good reason.  Not with  
> this evidence against me.

I will gladly sacrifice any redundant bodily organ, including one of my
testicles, to have one of those GIMIX boxes.

C.




From RJRTTY at aol.com  Sun Sep 14 21:38:28 2008
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:38:28 EDT
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasu...
Message-ID: <d55.360c2d47.35ff1694@aol.com>

Wow.   Where did you get these!!!!  I hope you got  complete
documentation with them.  They look very busy inside........
 
How about some more info on them.   Could you bring
them to the next fest by any chance?
 
Roy
 



**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, 
plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.      
(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)


From RJRTTY at aol.com  Sun Sep 14 22:04:50 2008
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:04:50 EDT
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasu...
Message-ID: <c2c.4373cff5.35ff1cc2@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/14/2008 9:32:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cyouse at serialtechnologies.com writes:


>I will gladly sacrifice any redundant bodily organ, including one of  my
>testicles, to have one of those GIMIX boxes.

>C.
 
 
Oh my.  They are GIMIX machines.    And they look fully  loaded too.
 
Wow.  YOu have got to bring one to the next fest.  It would be  the
highlight of the show.
 
Roy
 



**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, 
plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.      
(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sun Sep 14 22:30:09 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:30:09 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
	your	viewing pleasu...
In-Reply-To: <c2c.4373cff5.35ff1cc2@aol.com>
References: <c2c.4373cff5.35ff1cc2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1221445809.5780.2.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 22:04 -0400, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote:

> 
> Oh my.  They are GIMIX machines.    And they look fully  loaded too.
>  
> Wow.  YOu have got to bring one to the next fest.  It would be  the
> highlight of the show.
>  
> Roy
>  

I've got plans on the drawing board for a GIMIX-like ATX motherboard,
2MHz 6809 etc., DAT, 2MB RAM, 8-slot backplane.  That's really what all
these cards I designed are ultimately for; I purposely designed them to
work in both systems.

Just gotta get this first round of production boards out the door,
hopefully some folks'll buy 'em to fund the bigger project.

C.





From vchester at setec-cr.com  Sun Sep 14 23:13:35 2008
From: vchester at setec-cr.com (Chester Patterson)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:13:35 -0600
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewingpleasure.
In-Reply-To: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <3F8EBDF5765246F88D40EAA74E168003@chester>

I swoon. I faint. I had a GIMIX 20 years ago. All I have left, I think, are
the EEPROMS.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Pritchard [mailto:coconut at pritchard.ca]
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:21 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
viewingpleasure.


Hi everyone,

With a lot of this CoCo List talking about OS-9, I thought I would
make an off-topic posting with a simple link and vague description to
some OS-9 computer system pr0n.  We are talking about computers here
folks.  The pictures of the systems should speak for themselves.  I
will be posting more photos in the near future, as I will be removing
the cards from the associated busses to take photos.

http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021

After viewing these photos, some of you may be wondering why I have
been asking about the 64K upgrade instructions for the CoCo 1.
Honestly I can't even begin to come up with a good reason.  Not with
this evidence against me.

More information on these systems will be revealed after the photos
have had a chance to be viewed.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies








From zmerch-coco at 30below.com  Mon Sep 15 00:01:08 2008
From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:01:08 -0000
Subject: [Coco] FW: Coco 3 serial numbers
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20080805211505.04399b50@wheresmymailserver.com>

Rumor has it that john poco may have mentioned these words:

>Does anyone know where tandy started numbering the coco 3's IE what was 
>the serial number of the first 3 off the line?

I dunno, but mine's serial # 102404, and it was one of the first 
'bilingual' ones available in Northern Ontario; ordered ahead for it & got 
it the first weekend they were available... and man, was it a *steal*@ ;-)

I'm in the US, but live right on the Canadian border - Sault Ste. Marie, 
Ont. Canada is much larger than Sault Ste. Marie, MI, USA; I'd have had to 
drive 150 miles one-way to get one in the States at $219US; introductory 
price in Canada was $199CDN, and I got an extra 35 cents Canadian for every 
one of my American dollars; IIRC, it worked out to under $165 even after 
paying duty at customs.

Upgraded it to 512K a while later, etc. Still have it and it still works great!

Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger

--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger   | "Profile, don't speculate."
SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers |     Daniel J. Bernstein
zmerch at 30below.com          |



From zmerch-coco at 30below.com  Mon Sep 15 00:07:33 2008
From: zmerch-coco at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:07:33 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
 viewing pleasu...
In-Reply-To: <c2c.4373cff5.35ff1cc2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20080915000310.04fe18e0@mail.30below.com>

Rumor has it that RJRTTY at aol.com may have mentioned these words:
>In a message dated 9/14/2008 9:32:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>cyouse at serialtechnologies.com writes:
>
>
> >I will gladly sacrifice any redundant bodily organ, including one of  my
> >testicles, to have one of those GIMIX boxes.

How's the old saying go? "I would gladly give my right arm to be 
ambidextrous..." ;-)

However, I agree wholeheartedly.

>Oh my.  They are GIMIX machines. And they look fully loaded too.
>
>Wow.  YOu have got to bring one to the next fest.  It would be  the
>highlight of the show.

{/me checks to see if I'm drooling}

Uh... I remember *dreaming* about having one of those years & years ago...

If he shows up to the Fest without one/both of them, it's probably because 
he'd be worried about getting geek-mugged over them. His worries might just 
be well founded... Oh, did I type that out loud???

;-)

Those are amazing...

Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
-- Yes, I finally got my outgoing mail all working again...

--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger   | "Bugs of a feather flock together."
sysadmin, Iceberg Computers |           Russell Nelson
zmerch at 30below.com          |



From keeper63 at cox.net  Mon Sep 15 02:24:42 2008
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:24:42 -0700
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your viewing
 pleasure.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1221444296.34423.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.37.1221444296.34423.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48CDFFAA.9080706@cox.net>

 > Message: 14
 > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:20:42 -0500
 > From: Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>
 > Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
 >	viewing	pleasure.
 > To: coco at maltedmedia.com
 > Message-ID: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C at pritchard.ca>
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
 >
 > Hi everyone,
 >
 > With a lot of this CoCo List talking about OS-9, I thought I would
 > make an off-topic posting with a simple link and vague description to
 > some OS-9 computer system pr0n.  We are talking about computers here
 > folks.  The pictures of the systems should speak for themselves.  I
 > will be posting more photos in the near future, as I will be removing
 > the cards from the associated busses to take photos.
 >
 > http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021
 >
 > After viewing these photos, some of you may be wondering why I have
 > been asking about the 64K upgrade instructions for the CoCo 1.
 > Honestly I can't even begin to come up with a good reason.  Not with
 > this evidence against me.
 >
 > More information on these systems will be revealed after the photos
 > have had a chance to be viewed.
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Ryan Pritchard
 > Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies

Wow! A Gimix system - I think the only time I saw one of those was in an 
advertisement somewhere. Maybe at a computer museum. Treat that machine 
like you would anything else of that vintage, especially in regards to 
the power supply (caps can easily explode without warning!). Are you 
planning on restoring it?

The closest thing to that much cool I have is an Altair 8800, but it 
looks nowhere near as "ready to run" as those machines you have there 
(boy, do I have a job ahead of me someday).

Thanks for sharing, and I can't wait to see and hear about them more!

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From RJRTTY at aol.com  Mon Sep 15 03:52:15 2008
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:52:15 EDT
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasu...
Message-ID: <d32.3d96994b.35ff6e2f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/15/2008 2:14:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
keeper63 at cox.net writes:

Wow! A  Gimix system - I think the only time I saw one of those was in an  
advertisement somewhere. Maybe at a computer museum. Treat that machine  
like you would anything else of that vintage, especially in regards to  
the power supply (caps can easily explode without warning!). Are you  
planning on restoring it?



If he plans on running them he should update the power
supplies preferably by replacing the caps or else by
replacing the whole supply if he has to.   Man oh man
I would love to poke around in one of those babies.  :)
 
Put a scope on the power supplies and look for any
AC component on the DC voltage.  If you find anything
but a steady DC voltage then replace the caps or supply.
 
I put together a functioning Mark 8 from a kit and playing
with these machines would just be that kind of cool.....
 
excuse me, I have to go lay down now. I feel a little
faint from all this excitement..:)
 
Roy
 



**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, 
plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.      
(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)


From mdelyea at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 06:36:22 2008
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:36:22 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasu...
In-Reply-To: <d32.3d96994b.35ff6e2f@aol.com>
References: <d32.3d96994b.35ff6e2f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80809150336o1788863erec011f8c0bf54a05@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, an ebay auction for 2 of those just ended yesterday.  Went for $1825.00

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:52 AM,  <RJRTTY at aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/15/2008 2:14:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> keeper63 at cox.net writes:
>
> Wow! A  Gimix system - I think the only time I saw one of those was in an
> advertisement somewhere. Maybe at a computer museum. Treat that machine
> like you would anything else of that vintage, especially in regards to
> the power supply (caps can easily explode without warning!). Are you
> planning on restoring it?
>
>
>
> If he plans on running them he should update the power
> supplies preferably by replacing the caps or else by
> replacing the whole supply if he has to.   Man oh man
> I would love to poke around in one of those babies.  :)
>
> Put a scope on the power supplies and look for any
> AC component on the DC voltage.  If you find anything
> but a steady DC voltage then replace the caps or supply.
>
> I put together a functioning Mark 8 from a kit and playing
> with these machines would just be that kind of cool.....
>
> excuse me, I have to go lay down now. I feel a little
> faint from all this excitement..:)
>
> Roy
>
>
>
>
> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Mon Sep 15 07:01:55 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:01:55 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
	your	viewing pleasu...
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80809150336o1788863erec011f8c0bf54a05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d32.3d96994b.35ff6e2f@aol.com>
	<1b52e6c80809150336o1788863erec011f8c0bf54a05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1221476515.5780.5.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 06:36 -0400, mike delyea wrote:
> Hey, an ebay auction for 2 of those just ended yesterday.  Went for $1825.00

As far as I could tell, those were the crappy Gimixes.  56K RAM, OS-9
Level I.  The MP/09 (I think?) based Gimixes were the ones to swoon
over.

C.




From coconut at pritchard.ca  Mon Sep 15 08:38:03 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:38:03 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasu...
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80809150336o1788863erec011f8c0bf54a05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d32.3d96994b.35ff6e2f@aol.com>
	<1b52e6c80809150336o1788863erec011f8c0bf54a05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E904CBD-B9D3-4BDD-8856-2B027F50070E@pritchard.ca>

I would love to see the link for the auction details.  See what was  
being sold.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 15-Sep-08, at 5:36 AM, mike delyea wrote:

> Hey, an ebay auction for 2 of those just ended yesterday.  Went for  
> $1825.00
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:52 AM,  <RJRTTY at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 9/15/2008 2:14:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> keeper63 at cox.net writes:
>>
>> Wow! A  Gimix system - I think the only time I saw one of those was  
>> in an
>> advertisement somewhere. Maybe at a computer museum. Treat that  
>> machine
>> like you would anything else of that vintage, especially in regards  
>> to
>> the power supply (caps can easily explode without warning!). Are you
>> planning on restoring it?
>>
>>
>>
>> If he plans on running them he should update the power
>> supplies preferably by replacing the caps or else by
>> replacing the whole supply if he has to.   Man oh man
>> I would love to poke around in one of those babies.  :)
>>
>> Put a scope on the power supplies and look for any
>> AC component on the DC voltage.  If you find anything
>> but a steady DC voltage then replace the caps or supply.
>>
>> I put together a functioning Mark 8 from a kit and playing
>> with these machines would just be that kind of cool.....
>>
>> excuse me, I have to go lay down now. I feel a little
>> faint from all this excitement..:)
>>
>> Roy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new  
>> fashion blog,
>> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
>> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From mdelyea at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 10:07:50 2008
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:07:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasu...
In-Reply-To: <4E904CBD-B9D3-4BDD-8856-2B027F50070E@pritchard.ca>
References: <d32.3d96994b.35ff6e2f@aol.com>
	<1b52e6c80809150336o1788863erec011f8c0bf54a05@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E904CBD-B9D3-4BDD-8856-2B027F50070E@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80809150707j61a23834u7aeedcbb4c98750f@mail.gmail.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250291963539

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca> wrote:
> I would love to see the link for the auction details.  See what was being
> sold.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>
>
>
> On 15-Sep-08, at 5:36 AM, mike delyea wrote:
>
>> Hey, an ebay auction for 2 of those just ended yesterday.  Went for
>> $1825.00
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:52 AM,  <RJRTTY at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/15/2008 2:14:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> keeper63 at cox.net writes:
>>>
>>> Wow! A  Gimix system - I think the only time I saw one of those was in an
>>> advertisement somewhere. Maybe at a computer museum. Treat that machine
>>> like you would anything else of that vintage, especially in regards to
>>> the power supply (caps can easily explode without warning!). Are you
>>> planning on restoring it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If he plans on running them he should update the power
>>> supplies preferably by replacing the caps or else by
>>> replacing the whole supply if he has to.   Man oh man
>>> I would love to poke around in one of those babies.  :)
>>>
>>> Put a scope on the power supplies and look for any
>>> AC component on the DC voltage.  If you find anything
>>> but a steady DC voltage then replace the caps or supply.
>>>
>>> I put together a functioning Mark 8 from a kit and playing
>>> with these machines would just be that kind of cool.....
>>>
>>> excuse me, I have to go lay down now. I feel a little
>>> faint from all this excitement..:)
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion
>>> blog,
>>> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
>>> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From farna at att.net  Mon Sep 15 10:45:58 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:45:58 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
Message-ID: <48CE7526.6070400@att.net>

Glad you're okay Roger! While ranting, I have one -- price of gasoline rose to just under $5 a gallon in SC in "anticipation" of the oil refineries being shut down for a while. We HAVE to have gov't regulation of the oil companies. I'm not one to typically want the gov't to step in (less gov't is best to me), but when pure greed takes over something we simply can't do without it's time. I'd rather see price regulation than the gov't take over refinery operations ("nationalizing" the refineries... I'd expect the gov't would give the oil companies a percentage of output or what it considered a fair lease price, couldn't just take them over). No one really wants gov't employees running refineries -- though they would be the same that work there now and it would take a while for "entrenchment" to occur. 

I can see prices going up a little in anticipation -- no one would complain too much about a $0.20-50 rise due to an impending storm. Gas was $3.59-$3.69 on average one day, $4.99-$5.15 the next. The SC governor passed an emergency law against price gouging and the next day the price went down a little to $4.69 in my home town (on average). My guess is the governor limited a price rise to $1 a gallon? I don't know the details.

The oil companies think we're all idiots. There is plenty fuel already made, enough for several days at a minimum, at the refineries. They should be able to weather through a storm. I can easily understand limiting supply (most stations here limited customers to $50, which at the old price was okay..., and they still ran out for 12-24 hours). Prices shouldn't go up much until/unless there's actual damage to something. They are quick to anticipate and raise prices, then very #$%^ slow to drop them back. 

How many of you remember the mid and late 70s oil crisis? Price didn't go up as much percentage wise that I can recall (I could be wrong, maybe need to research that...), though there was (understandably) limited supply. The reason is there was still gov't regulation of prices at the time. Reagan eliminated gov't regulation of a lot of things, and at first it was a good thing. Now it seems the bas#$%ds at the oil companies have learned to cooperate with each other. They all seem to go one after another -- if one raises prices, the others follow suit shortly. 

We pay premium prices for gas made with old oil for something that MIGHT happen, and now the price of oil is even down! If a refinery was definitely down a price increase might make sense, but not until. To top it off, it makes things like mandatory evacuations a big burden on people. So tax payers end up bailing more of them out. The total outrage is that in the wake of disasters like Katrina (and to some extent Ike) the oil companies report record profits! If the prices were raised to cover losses of refineries and such they wouldn't go up as much as they do (I think $0.20-0.50/gal would cover that -- think about the number of gallons sold!). They are raised due to supply/demand (supposedly), and we're all sc$%^wed.  The real reason is they see that they can make a lot of money off the misfortune of others (those in the wake of the storm). I can't see any other reason, it's not to cover loss of profits, which would be a justified reason for raising prices -- they are reporting even higher profits! 

------------
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:40:46 -0500
From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>

My power just came back on about 2 hours ago, but hundreds of thousands 
aren't so lucky yet. The power loss occurred for my area right as the 
"eye" area of the storm hit, but even long before and after we were 
still getting terrible gusts of wind in all directions. In once instance 
a burst of wind so big came through that the trees which were full of 
water got hit from above I guess because they all kind blew apart and 
the air was filled with a huge cloud of water all the way down the 
road.. me and the son dove into the house in fear it was a tornado, then 
it just went away real quick to dead silence before coming back a minute 
later.

Anyway, it's over and I have lots of tree debree everywhere but nothing 
else to complain about I guess. I'm grabbing the rakes right now.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Mon Sep 15 11:23:25 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:23:25 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <48CE7526.6070400@att.net>
References: <48CE7526.6070400@att.net>
Message-ID: <200809151123.25951.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 15 September 2008, Frank Swygert wrote:
>Glad you're okay Roger! While ranting, I have one -- price of gasoline rose
> to just under $5 a gallon in SC in "anticipation" of the oil refineries
> being shut down for a while. We HAVE to have gov't regulation of the oil
> companies. I'm not one to typically want the gov't to step in (less gov't
> is best to me), but when pure greed takes over something we simply can't do
> without it's time. I'd rather see price regulation than the gov't take over
> refinery operations ("nationalizing" the refineries... I'd expect the gov't
> would give the oil companies a percentage of output or what it considered a
> fair lease price, couldn't just take them over). No one really wants gov't
> employees running refineries -- though they would be the same that work
> there now and it would take a while for "entrenchment" to occur.
>
>I can see prices going up a little in anticipation -- no one would complain
> too much about a $0.20-50 rise due to an impending storm. Gas was
> $3.59-$3.69 on average one day, $4.99-$5.15 the next. The SC governor
> passed an emergency law against price gouging and the next day the price
> went down a little to $4.69 in my home town (on average). My guess is the
> governor limited a price rise to $1 a gallon? I don't know the details.
>
>The oil companies think we're all idiots. There is plenty fuel already made,
> enough for several days at a minimum, at the refineries. They should be
> able to weather through a storm. I can easily understand limiting supply
> (most stations here limited customers to $50, which at the old price was
> okay..., and they still ran out for 12-24 hours). Prices shouldn't go up
> much until/unless there's actual damage to something. They are quick to
> anticipate and raise prices, then very #$%^ slow to drop them back.
>
>How many of you remember the mid and late 70s oil crisis? Price didn't go up
> as much percentage wise that I can recall (I could be wrong, maybe need to
> research that...), though there was (understandably) limited supply. The
> reason is there was still gov't regulation of prices at the time. Reagan
> eliminated gov't regulation of a lot of things, and at first it was a good
> thing. Now it seems the bas#$%ds at the oil companies have learned to
> cooperate with each other. They all seem to go one after another -- if one
> raises prices, the others follow suit shortly.
>
>We pay premium prices for gas made with old oil for something that MIGHT
> happen, and now the price of oil is even down! If a refinery was definitely
> down a price increase might make sense, but not until. To top it off, it
> makes things like mandatory evacuations a big burden on people. So tax
> payers end up bailing more of them out. The total outrage is that in the
> wake of disasters like Katrina (and to some extent Ike) the oil companies
> report record profits! If the prices were raised to cover losses of
> refineries and such they wouldn't go up as much as they do (I think
> $0.20-0.50/gal would cover that -- think about the number of gallons
> sold!). They are raised due to supply/demand (supposedly), and we're all
> sc$%^wed.  The real reason is they see that they can make a lot of money
> off the misfortune of others (those in the wake of the storm). I can't see
> any other reason, it's not to cover loss of profits, which would be a
> justified reason for raising prices -- they are report ing even higher
> profits!

+2 Frank, they did a 50 cent raise here in WV.

>------------
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:40:46 -0500
>From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
>
>My power just came back on about 2 hours ago, but hundreds of thousands
>aren't so lucky yet. The power loss occurred for my area right as the
>"eye" area of the storm hit, but even long before and after we were
>still getting terrible gusts of wind in all directions. In once instance
>a burst of wind so big came through that the trees which were full of
>water got hit from above I guess because they all kind blew apart and
>the air was filled with a huge cloud of water all the way down the
>road.. me and the son dove into the house in fear it was a tornado, then
>it just went away real quick to dead silence before coming back a minute
>later.
>
>Anyway, it's over and I have lots of tree debree everywhere but nothing
>else to complain about I guess. I'm grabbing the rakes right now.



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Alexander Graham Bell is alive and well in New York, and still waiting
for a dial tone.


From keeper63 at cox.net  Mon Sep 15 11:41:45 2008
From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:41:45 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 63, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1221487222.5389.coco@maltedmedia.com>
References: <mailman.17.1221487222.5389.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <48CE8239.1010603@cox.net>

> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:52:15 EDT
> From: RJRTTY at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
> 	your	viewing pleasu...
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Message-ID: <d32.3d96994b.35ff6e2f at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> 
>  
> In a message dated 9/15/2008 2:14:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> keeper63 at cox.net writes:
> 
> Wow! A  Gimix system - I think the only time I saw one of those was in an  
> advertisement somewhere. Maybe at a computer museum. Treat that machine  
> like you would anything else of that vintage, especially in regards to  
> the power supply (caps can easily explode without warning!). Are you  
> planning on restoring it?
> 
> 
> 
> If he plans on running them he should update the power
> supplies preferably by replacing the caps or else by
> replacing the whole supply if he has to.   Man oh man
> I would love to poke around in one of those babies.  :)
>  
> Put a scope on the power supplies and look for any
> AC component on the DC voltage.  If you find anything
> but a steady DC voltage then replace the caps or supply.
>  
> I put together a functioning Mark 8 from a kit and playing
> with these machines would just be that kind of cool.....
>  
> excuse me, I have to go lay down now. I feel a little
> faint from all this excitement..:)
>  
> Roy

Well, actually the best thing would be to:

1) disconnect the power supply from the machine.
2) connect it up to a known load (some lightbulbs or something).
3) plug it into to a variac
4) set variac to zero
5) plug variac into the wall
6) over a period (day or two?) ramp the voltage up from zero to full 
voltage (110-115VAC).
7) monitor the above carefully (ie, don't leave running without someone 
checking on it to see if it is smoking or anything).
8) if nothing has exploded or otherwise died, then check for ripple, etc.

IIRC - that is the proper way to check such supplies on old machines (or 
anything of vintage, for that matter). It "reconditions" the caps slowly 
(if they have sat for a while), so they don't go "boom!" or catch fire 
on ya (which could happen by just plugging it in).

Most likely, though, you will want to replace those old caps anyway.

A lot of precaution, I know, but if you value the machine(s) and/or your 
other possessions (in your shop, home, etc), it really is "best 
practice" (although variacs aren't cheap if you don't already own one - 
which reminds me that I need to buy one for that Altair - ugh).

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Mon Sep 15 11:40:05 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:40:05 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasu...
In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80809150707j61a23834u7aeedcbb4c98750f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d32.3d96994b.35ff6e2f@aol.com>
	<1b52e6c80809150336o1788863erec011f8c0bf54a05@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E904CBD-B9D3-4BDD-8856-2B027F50070E@pritchard.ca>
	<1b52e6c80809150707j61a23834u7aeedcbb4c98750f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAB36C32-4335-4DB7-BACD-FC2A8DDA8EA0@pritchard.ca>

Wow those are simple systems compared to the ones I have.  I am still  
staying silent for a few days to let the pictures stir up  
conversation.  But I will let out that they were used for teaching  
Basic (ala Basic 09) and Pascal at my high school when I was in  
computer science.  So from the pictures you can tell they had 10+  
terminal and/or serial printers on each machine, one machine even had  
a parallel printer port.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 15-Sep-08, at 9:07 AM, mike delyea wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250291963539
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Ryan Pritchard  
> <coconut at pritchard.ca> wrote:
>> I would love to see the link for the auction details.  See what was  
>> being
>> sold.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ryan Pritchard
>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15-Sep-08, at 5:36 AM, mike delyea wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, an ebay auction for 2 of those just ended yesterday.  Went for
>>> $1825.00
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:52 AM,  <RJRTTY at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 9/15/2008 2:14:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> keeper63 at cox.net writes:
>>>>
>>>> Wow! A  Gimix system - I think the only time I saw one of those  
>>>> was in an
>>>> advertisement somewhere. Maybe at a computer museum. Treat that  
>>>> machine
>>>> like you would anything else of that vintage, especially in  
>>>> regards to
>>>> the power supply (caps can easily explode without warning!). Are  
>>>> you
>>>> planning on restoring it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If he plans on running them he should update the power
>>>> supplies preferably by replacing the caps or else by
>>>> replacing the whole supply if he has to.   Man oh man
>>>> I would love to poke around in one of those babies.  :)
>>>>
>>>> Put a scope on the power supplies and look for any
>>>> AC component on the DC voltage.  If you find anything
>>>> but a steady DC voltage then replace the caps or supply.
>>>>
>>>> I put together a functioning Mark 8 from a kit and playing
>>>> with these machines would just be that kind of cool.....
>>>>
>>>> excuse me, I have to go lay down now. I feel a little
>>>> faint from all this excitement..:)
>>>>
>>>> Roy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new  
>>>> fashion
>>>> blog,
>>>> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
>>>> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>>>>
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>>>>
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From farna at att.net  Mon Sep 15 12:13:57 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:13:57 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures (Gimix e-bay
 auction data)
Message-ID: <48CE89C5.1010209@att.net>

If you are registered on e-bay click on advanced search, check the "include completed items" box, and search for item #250291963539 (or search for gimix). 
Great photos of inside the computer, and a copy of an ad too!! 

Completed auctions only stay up for 30 days or so, would be a good idea to d/l these pics. Maybe post them on the CoCo-List archive site, and/or an OS-9 archive site? 


------------
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:38:03 -0500
From: Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
	your	viewing pleasu...

I would love to see the link for the auction details.  See what was  
being sold.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From farna at att.net  Mon Sep 15 12:36:24 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:36:24 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Chuck's computer design...
Message-ID: <48CE8F08.6020003@att.net>

I have a couple suggestions (not that you want/need any...).
 
1) Get rid of the CoCo type slot! I would suggest something simple and available, like a double row header connector. Then you can have a CoCo slot adapter if needed/wanted. Using a double row connector you could even add some lines -- the CoCo adapter just doesn't use the extras. 

2) Why not use that core someone posted about earlier? That would use a standard keyboard and monitor. IMHO it should be modified to use a memory card or USB stick drive in place of the floppy(s). Something like floppy emulation on a hard drive (HGB-DOS?) could be used if DECB compatible. If it's strictly for Nitros-9 it would emulate a hard drive only. It just needs to be written in such a way that the card can be plugged into a PC. 

You could have a "speed selector" (would be nice in hardware, but software will do) up to 20 MHz. Would need to be slowed down for CoCo OS-9 games and such, but if this is mainly to be a new "hacker" computer, it doesn't have to be graphics compatible. The main board can have video and such and you could have an eprom only controller or "target" board without things like a full keyboard and video. Of course it may be that the main board cost is low enough that it's not worth making two -- one with everything might just keep volume up and be more economical. Of course one board prepped for everything doesn't mean everything has to be installed on the board... 

I can see a need for something more powerful and easier to use than something like the PIC and STAMP series of micro controllers. It's too hard and expensive to play with a full blown PC, and most controller boards with a lot of power are rather costly. 

Personally I'd like to see a board that had something simple to use like DECB on it, with some enhancements (at least enhanced to ADOS standards!). DECB isn't real powerful, but it was very easy to work with. A 5+ MHz machine running DECB would be very powerful compared to a 2 MHz CoCo3! Wouldn't even have to be 100% compatible with DECB -- if it had 80% compatibility code would be easy enough to modify to work. 

I had a digital dash (for a car) all but working from a CoCo3 once. I used the joystick ports to read resistance and the cassette port (I think...) to read pulses for a speedometer. Didn't have a tach worked in there yet, was looking for the basics first. Nothing graphic either, just a text display with labels and numbers. I wasn't good at graphics, decided I would make do with different size numbers (large in center for speed, smaller in corners for others). What killed the whole idea was an adequate display at the time -- LCDs were expensive, and I needed an NTSC model. Now they are relatively cheap!! Wish I'd kept that code... another problem, of course, was the size of a CoCo board. I could have worked around that though... 


------------
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:30:09 -0400
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
	your	viewing pleasu...

I've got plans on the drawing board for a GIMIX-like ATX motherboard,
2MHz 6809 etc., DAT, 2MB RAM, 8-slot backplane.  That's really what all
these cards I designed are ultimately for; I purposely designed them to
work in both systems.

Just gotta get this first round of production boards out the door,
hopefully some folks'll buy 'em to fund the bigger project.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 15 13:12:59 2008
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:12:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1221444296.34423.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <619268.82284.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fort Smith was fortunate (Fayetteville was too) in ARkansas. The eye got caught in the jetstream and was wisked outta here very quickly.

-Later!
?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting.

--- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ---
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:43:05 -0500
From: Roger Taylor <operator at coco3.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <20080914174309.48A0E20A35 at qs281.pair.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

At 07:08 PM 9/13/2008, you wrote:
>The power went off here in Todd Mission at 12;45 last night,it is 
>6:45 and still not back on.. Talk is 2 to 3 weeks!!!!!
>
>
>We lost 1 tree. Another place on the street had a hole punched in 
>the top of his PU camper.
>
>Renaissance  Festival main office had back roof blown off. Drove 
>into Magnolia this afternoon and all places were without power. 
>Several trees down along highway, none across.

Magnolia Arkansas, or Tx?  I have "ex" family in Ar.

>Rain stopped 3 1/2 - 4 hours ago and is none standing now. We still 
>need some rain. Only place that I know of where water is blocking 
>the road is at low water crossings. Most bar ditches are low or 
>empty except where a culvert is clogged.
>



      


From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Mon Sep 15 13:31:11 2008
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:31:11 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Creating blank disks in VCC
In-Reply-To: <091320081021.29016.48CB9444000C711D0000715822058861720B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <091320081021.29016.48CB9444000C711D0000715822058861720B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200809151331.11946.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>

On Saturday 13 September 2008 06:21:56 wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> Failure to RTFM can can get very rude replies in some forums, this one is
> (so far, with one exception and while I don't desire the need, nobody
> misses Hex) as polite as any I've found. 
<snip>

I am pretty sure we can thank Steve Bjork for Hex's dissappearance. He 
mentioned to me during the last Fest that he had an online conversation with 
Hex and was able to persuade him to go away 8-).


From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Mon Sep 15 13:43:05 2008
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:43:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasure.
In-Reply-To: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>
References: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <200809151343.05515.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>

Oooh my gawd!  I want one <drool 8-)_>


From mdelyea at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 14:23:09 2008
From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:23:09 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures (Gimix e-bay
	auction data)
In-Reply-To: <48CE89C5.1010209@att.net>
References: <48CE89C5.1010209@att.net>
Message-ID: <1b52e6c80809151123w4091166cj7152e932bf8a4c4e@mail.gmail.com>

I have the pics downloaded.  Not sure where I'll put them.

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Frank Swygert <farna at att.net> wrote:
> If you are registered on e-bay click on advanced search, check the "include
> completed items" box, and search for item #250291963539 (or search for
> gimix). Great photos of inside the computer, and a copy of an ad too!!
> Completed auctions only stay up for 30 days or so, would be a good idea to
> d/l these pics. Maybe post them on the CoCo-List archive site, and/or an
> OS-9 archive site?
>
> ------------
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:38:03 -0500
> From: Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
>        your    viewing pleasu...
>
> I would love to see the link for the auction details.  See what was  being
> sold.
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
> (free download available!)
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 18:28:19 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:28:19 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  Broken CC3
Message-ID: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 Well, I'm stumped.

 I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.

 The computer seems to work fine as long as I don't access the disk drive.

 To bring you up to date I've changed:

 The CPU, Gime, RAM Board, disk controller and disk drive and C14. That's 
the one just after the .1 ohm resistor from the voltage regulator 
transistor. The .1 ohm resistor is not in the circuit as, I'm using an 
external power supply.

 AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the 
ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the scope.

 Right now, from power up, when I DIR drive 0, it steps over to( I think) 
the directory track and then crashes. After a crash, I reset twice because 
the first reset doen't reset to RSBASIC. The crash gets better and more 
colorful. Upon the second reset, I get the initial startup screen. This 
time, when I do a dir, the disk doesn't find the track, tries again and then 
crashes when it( I think) gets to the dir track.
 My 3.5 drives, upon power up, moves the head to track 0(I think). So after 
the crash, the drive isn't where the coco is expecting the head to be. 
Therefore, it goes to the wrong track, doesn't find the directory and tries 
again after moving it back to zero, tries again and crashes. I'm used to 
hearing this and I'm pretty sure it is stepping the correct number of tracks 
before it crashes.

 I hope my info is not to vague or stupid sounding.

 Suggestions are welcome!

 Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed? Has anyone ever had a 
ROM failure in a CC3?

George 



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 19:07:51 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:07:51 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
In-Reply-To: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809151607p2a139267jafe0dab21e01831@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds a lot like a blown HALT in the CPU. From what you say, the
crash doesn't occur until the head is over the correct track, and the
sector is ready to be read. That's when the HALT line is activated.
What's strange is that you say you've replaced the CPU. It seems
unlikely that both CPU's would have a blown HALT line, but who knows.

You can test it by starting up the CoCo in Disk Basic using a standard
CoCo disk controller. Then enter the folllowing program:

10 POKE &HFF48,3
20 POKE &HFF40,128

When you run this program, the CoCo should freeze for about 7 1/2
seconds before the OK prompt appears.  If it crashes, or if the OK
prompt never appears, or if the OK prompt appears immediately then the
HALT line is the likely culprit.

Darren


On 9/15/08, George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Well, I'm stumped.
>
>  I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.
>
>  The computer seems to work fine as long as I don't access the disk drive.
>
>  To bring you up to date I've changed:
>
>  The CPU, Gime, RAM Board, disk controller and disk drive and C14. That's
> the one just after the .1 ohm resistor from the voltage regulator
> transistor. The .1 ohm resistor is not in the circuit as, I'm using an
> external power supply.
>
>  AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the
> ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the scope.
>
>  Right now, from power up, when I DIR drive 0, it steps over to( I think)
> the directory track and then crashes. After a crash, I reset twice because
> the first reset doen't reset to RSBASIC. The crash gets better and more
> colorful. Upon the second reset, I get the initial startup screen. This
> time, when I do a dir, the disk doesn't find the track, tries again and then
> crashes when it( I think) gets to the dir track.
>  My 3.5 drives, upon power up, moves the head to track 0(I think). So after
> the crash, the drive isn't where the coco is expecting the head to be.
> Therefore, it goes to the wrong track, doesn't find the directory and tries
> again after moving it back to zero, tries again and crashes. I'm used to
> hearing this and I'm pretty sure it is stepping the correct number of tracks
> before it crashes.
>
>  I hope my info is not to vague or stupid sounding.
>
>  Suggestions are welcome!
>
>  Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed? Has anyone ever had a
> ROM failure in a CC3?
>
> George
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 19:14:10 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:14:10 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
	yourviewing pleasure.
References: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>
	<200809151343.05515.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c91788$c309a4b0$d4b1b1d8@house>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richec"
> Oooh my gawd!  I want one <drool 8-)_>
>
I think it would be kinda cool to have one because of it's uniqueness but, 
you can have the same thing with a 512K CC3.

In OS9-L2, I built a boot disk without the VDG driver, CC3IO or anything to 
do with the keyboard and video.

> This was many years ago.<

Renamed /T2  to /TERM. I used a Kimtron KT7 terminal for this application, 
connected to the /T2 port at 9600 baud.

It's cool to see OS9 BOOT sitting on the monitor while OS-9 is booting up. 
All the stuff we see on the CM-8 is now showing up on the external terminal. 
What's even more cool is when  OS9 uses the memory the VDG is parked on. I 
got to watch the screen display junk that is stuff OS9 is using.

The keyboard scanning is gone. The PIA is now a NEW port for whatever you 
wish to use it for.

I suppose this sort of thing would make OS9 on a 64K coco have more memory 
available.

I think(I don't know) that the coco would be somewhat faster without the 
keyboard scanning.

Since I do all my programs in Basic09, I wrote my software to poll the 
terminal to see what I'm connected to and I wrote a routine to do the same 
thing as GFX2 does, but for the appropriate terminal. The Kimtron would 
respond to a querry and my software would use the appropriate B09 driver to 
control the cursor. In this case, GFX was replaced with KT7.

That was FUN!!!

George






From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 19:36:33 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:36:33 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<5d802cd0809151607p2a139267jafe0dab21e01831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004301c9178b$e3db68b0$d4b1b1d8@house>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren A"
> This sounds a lot like a blown HALT in the CPU. From what you say, the
> crash doesn't occur until the head is over the correct track, and the
> sector is ready to be read. That's when the HALT line is activated.
> What's strange is that you say you've replaced the CPU. It seems
> unlikely that both CPU's would have a blown HALT line, but who knows.
>
> You can test it by starting up the CoCo in Disk Basic using a standard
> CoCo disk controller. Then enter the folllowing program:
>
> 10 POKE &HFF48,3
> 20 POKE &HFF40,128
>
> When you run this program, the CoCo should freeze for about 7 1/2
> seconds before the OK prompt appears.  If it crashes, or if the OK
> prompt never appears, or if the OK prompt appears immediately then the
> HALT line is the likely culprit.
>
> Darren

Well, it came back exactly as you suggested. About eight seconds.

First, I got excited and re-crimped the controller's edge connector on the 
Y-cable and tried it
Same stuff.
So I typed in that simple two liner.... sounds familiar.... Ranbow's "One 
Liner" then "Two liner"

Heck!

 I'm reluctant to do so but, I may have to take the steps to put another 
board into that cabinet to see if the problem is the coco or something else. 
This is going to be a major project(for me), I'm lazy.
I think I have another CC3 somewhere that I could put into it. I'll look 
around.

Meanwhile,

More suggestions are welcome.

> On 9/15/08, George Ramsower
>>  Well, I'm stumped.
>>
>>  I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.
>>
>>  The computer seems to work fine as long as I don't access the disk 
>> drive.
>>
>>  To bring you up to date I've changed:
>>
>>  The CPU, Gime, RAM Board, disk controller and disk drive and C14. That's
>> the one just after the .1 ohm resistor from the voltage regulator
>> transistor. The .1 ohm resistor is not in the circuit as, I'm using an
>> external power supply.
>>
>>  AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the
>> ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the 
>> scope.
>>
>>  Right now, from power up, when I DIR drive 0, it steps over to( I think)
>> the directory track and then crashes. After a crash, I reset twice 
>> because
>> the first reset doen't reset to RSBASIC. The crash gets better and more
>> colorful. Upon the second reset, I get the initial startup screen. This
>> time, when I do a dir, the disk doesn't find the track, tries again and 
>> then
>> crashes when it( I think) gets to the dir track.
>>  My 3.5 drives, upon power up, moves the head to track 0(I think). So 
>> after
>> the crash, the drive isn't where the coco is expecting the head to be.
>> Therefore, it goes to the wrong track, doesn't find the directory and 
>> tries
>> again after moving it back to zero, tries again and crashes. I'm used to
>> hearing this and I'm pretty sure it is stepping the correct number of 
>> tracks
>> before it crashes.
>>
>>  I hope my info is not to vague or stupid sounding.
>>
>>  Suggestions are welcome!
>>
>>  Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed? Has anyone ever 
>> had a
>> ROM failure in a CC3?
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
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From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Mon Sep 15 19:44:28 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <212EC836B0CD4D94ACA703C22266194B@trotter>

> Well, I'm stumped.
> I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.
> AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the 
> ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the 
> scope.
Ground Loop?

> Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed?
That is a long shot.  The original is a masked ROM.  Basically, you would 
have to kill it outright.

Bruce W. 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 20:01:01 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<212EC836B0CD4D94ACA703C22266194B@trotter>
Message-ID: <005001c9178f$4e9eec50$d4b1b1d8@house>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce W. Calkins" <brucewcalkins at charter.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Broken CC3


>> Well, I'm stumped.
>> I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.
>> AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the 
>> ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the 
>> scope.


> Ground Loop?

 I suppose that's what it is. I don't have an isolation transformer to prove 
this. My GOOD O-Scope(B&K) has a bad cap in it somewhere and I would love to 
use it. The one I'm using is a TV scope. It was FREE and I use it when 
needed.
Maybe I should get that B&K out, warm it up for a few hours and see if it 
will still work. I love that thing.
It would take about an hour for it to work correctly in the past. I wish I 
had a service manual on it.

>
>> Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed?

> That is a long shot.  The original is a masked ROM.  Basically, you would 
> have to kill it outright.
>
> Bruce W.

 I thought this might be the case. I don't know much about "Masked ROMs" but 
I was thinking that, what if there's something that caused a bit or byte to 
change and may cause this problem.

 I don't know everything and I am just guessing at this point.



From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 15 20:20:04 2008
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo1 Rev E 64K Upgrade by Kitsz
Message-ID: <636788.99424.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

D'OH! That's really weird because I distinctly remember typing that step:

6. Solder or Jumper together the two LO staking pins next to U29.


Bob



----- Original Message ----
From: Darren A <mechacoco at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:35:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo1 Rev E 64K Upgrade by Kitsz

I have a Rev E board which has been modified for 64K (not by me).  I
sent the OP a digram which illustrates the modifications that were
made to the board. It matches the instructions you supplied from the
CCM article except that it uses pins 1, 2 and 3 of U29 instead of 4, 5
and 6.  I suppose you could use either set of pins since both of those
NOR gates (A and B) in the chip are otherwise unused. Also, instead of
connecting one of the jumper wires to TP1, mine connects it to pin 21
of PIA U8.  That's the same signal (R/W), so I assume it was chosen
for its proximity to U29.

The instructions you listed don't mention anything about R83.  Perhaps
that is in Step 6 which appears to be missing. I've seen two other
documents say that a 33 ohm resistor needs to be soldered to those
pins. My board has a jumper between those two pins rather than a
resistor. Does anyone know if that could cause a problem?

Darren

--------------

On 9/14/08, theother_bob wrote:
> For the sake of a quick reply I am typing in the relevant portion of the
> article so you don't have to wait for me to set up my manual scanner. This
> is from The Color Computer Magazine, Oct. 1983, Custom Color by Dennis
> Kitsz, pp31-48 (wow! a mini-mag in itself, covering the lowerkit, 64k
> upgrades for all models up to NC board and installing aftermarket keyboards
> in the CoCo.)
> -----------------------------
>    64K Upgrade, Radio Shack style--Rev.E. Needed: screwdriver to open the
> case, snips, solder and iron, thin wire, eight 64K RAMs (type 4164/4864).
>
>    1. Unplug and open the computer
>    2. Remove the RF interference shield by cutting the white plastic straps
> and working the cover around the edges.
>    3. Move four jumpers (one between U4 and U8, and three above the keyboard
> connector) up and over to the 32K position.
>    4. Move the remaining umper (below C44) up and over to the 16/32K
> position.
>    5. Solder or jumper together the two LO staking pins next to U29.
>    7. Carefully remove U29 from its socket, and bend pins 4, 5 and 6 up and
> parallel to its body.
>    8. Remove U11 from its socket, and bend pin 5 up and parallel to its
> body.
>    9. Replace U29 and U11 in their sockets, except for the pins noted.
>    10. Connect three wires: from U29 pin 6 to U29 pin 8; from U29 pin 4 to
> U11 pin 5; from U29 pin 5 to TP1.
>    11. Clip out capacitors C61, C31, C64, C35, C67, C45, C70 and C48.
>    12. Remove the eight 4K or 16K memory chips U20 through U27.
>    13. Install eight 64K memory chips, pointing in the same direction.
>    14. Restore the interference shield and press it down, replace the cover,
> and power up.
>    15. PRINT MEM should reveal a 32K machine.
>

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From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 15 20:24:18 2008
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] CoCo1 Rev E 64K Upgrade by Kitsz
Message-ID: <997965.3262.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oh, I see what I did. Duh! I typed in step 6 in place of step 5, which should read:

5. Solder or jumper together the two staking pins to the left of C44. Preferably, connect these through a 33-ohm resistor or a ferrite bead.


It's hard to find good help these days!
Bob


----- Original Message ----
From: Darren A <mechacoco at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:35:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo1 Rev E 64K Upgrade by Kitsz

The instructions you listed don't mention anything about R83.  Perhaps
that is in Step 6 which appears to be missing. I've seen two other
documents say that a 33 ohm resistor needs to be soldered to those
pins. My board has a jumper between those two pins rather than a
resistor. Does anyone know if that could cause a problem?

Darren

--------------

On 9/14/08, theother_bob wrote:
> For the sake of a quick reply I am typing in the relevant portion of the
> article so you don't have to wait for me to set up my manual scanner. This
> is from The Color Computer Magazine, Oct. 1983, Custom Color by Dennis
> Kitsz, pp31-48 (wow! a mini-mag in itself, covering the lowerkit, 64k
> upgrades for all models up to NC board and installing aftermarket keyboards
> in the CoCo.)
> -----------------------------
>    64K Upgrade, Radio Shack style--Rev.E. Needed: screwdriver to open the
> case, snips, solder and iron, thin wire, eight 64K RAMs (type 4164/4864).
>
>    1. Unplug and open the computer
>    2. Remove the RF interference shield by cutting the white plastic straps
> and working the cover around the edges.
>    3. Move four jumpers (one between U4 and U8, and three above the keyboard
> connector) up and over to the 32K position.
>    4. Move the remaining umper (below C44) up and over to the 16/32K
> position.
>    5. Solder or jumper together the two LO staking pins next to U29.
>    7. Carefully remove U29 from its socket, and bend pins 4, 5 and 6 up and
> parallel to its body.
>    8. Remove U11 from its socket, and bend pin 5 up and parallel to its
> body.
>    9. Replace U29 and U11 in their sockets, except for the pins noted.
>    10. Connect three wires: from U29 pin 6 to U29 pin 8; from U29 pin 4 to
> U11 pin 5; from U29 pin 5 to TP1.
>    11. Clip out capacitors C61, C31, C64, C35, C67, C45, C70 and C48.
>    12. Remove the eight 4K or 16K memory chips U20 through U27.
>    13. Install eight 64K memory chips, pointing in the same direction.
>    14. Restore the interference shield and press it down, replace the cover,
> and power up.
>    15. PRINT MEM should reveal a 32K machine.
>

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From deemcr at robinson-west.com  Mon Sep 15 20:32:29 2008
From: deemcr at robinson-west.com (Michael Robinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:32:29 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Drivewire image transfer to coco floppy
Message-ID: <1221525149.31261.3.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>

Does anyone have experience with cloud 9's drivewire?

I have the coco software in a drivewire.dsk file.  I need a coco
readable 5.25" disk with the software on it.  Are there any freedos
or Windows 98 compatible tools that I can use to transfer the image
to a real disk?

If anyone can dd a drivewire 2 360k floppy under Linux and send me
the dump, that would also work.  I have a coco3 with the 512k simm
upgrade installed.



From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Mon Sep 15 21:57:29 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:57:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy - An Update
In-Reply-To: <48CD95BB.9000900@cox.net>
References: <mailman.31.1221400733.74342.coco@maltedmedia.com>
	<48CD95BB.9000900@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000001c9179f$93cdd970$bb698c50$@com>

Andrew,

That sounds great!  

Your enthusiasm motivated to dig through one of our closests and I found
some tasty old morsels related to my game.  I scanned everything and posted
it on a new website I created this weekend.  Actually it's just a free blog
site but the storage capability serves this purpose very well.  I think it
will be better than e-mailing everything.  Microsoft now provides 5 Gigs
free storage on their Skydrive and so I used it with their Windows Live
Spaces and made a site.  Everything I have except for the Source code files
is on this site free for anyone to download.

If you look at the Files section of the site you will find the following
Folders:
Screen Shots  (Various screen shots of the game)
The Game - What you need to Play (This is everything a person needs to play
the game in windows.)
Rainbow Review and Ad (Just what it says)
Archive Files (bunch of stuff in this folder all listed below)
FixItList - 9 pages of fix it lists (If you look at these notes, it's a
miracle it ever got finished)
LicenseAgreement - The Legal Agreement with Sundog Systems.  I'm not even
sure it's a real contract per say.  Boy those were simpler times. I did
learn while re-reading it that the ownership and thus copyright defaulted
back to me after 8 years or in 1998 so that's good.
MemoryMap - This was the most important document I kept because it shows
where all of the routines are kept in memory along with character stats etc.
MiscNotes - Just some messy scratchings
PaladinDiskImages - Scans of the floppies
Paladins Legacy Review - The review a kind person e-mailed me recently
PublisherLetter - The only letter I kept from my publisher with a bunch of
stuff for me to do and other comments.
QualityCode - I have a "final" print of the main code.  It's about 70 pages
or so. I didn't scan it all.  That would be a huge waste.  It will be better
to just have the .asc files.  However I had to laugh at the first several
pages so I scanned those.  You'll see why I called it "Quality" code. :)

At this point I'm just waiting for Drivewire2.0 and hopefully I can add the
source code to that archive folder.

Feel free to snag whatever you want and use it in your archive.  I look
forward to seeing your efforts once your done.

Here is the website:

http://paladinslegacy.spaces.live.com/

Let me know if you have any trouble with anything on the site.  Or if you
have any suggestions.

Allan

 

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Andrew
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:53 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy - An Update

All,

I have taken upon myself to create the archive for Paladin's Legacy, 
with help from Allan and a few other individuals on this list. I have 
collected everything that Allan and others have given me, and organized 
the archive in a logical manner. I have created files describing the 
contents, etc.

One of the things I have done in this archive is assemble all of the 
email messages I am a part of into a single file, both those posted here 
as well as those conducted off-list. I feel that the conversation that 
has been conducted for the assembly of the archive is just as important 
as the archive itself. I do want to ask that if there are any objections 
or modification requests (such as email address removal), please let me 
know.

Currently, I have everything in the archive as described (as well as 
some extra scans I created for the archive, both from the June 1990 
issue of the Rainbow - one is a scan of the inside front cover featuring 
the Sundog Systems advertisement with Paladin's Legacy featured, the 
other a scan of the game review on pages 74-75). I intend to release the 
archive once I know whether Allan can supply me with floppy images of 
the source code for the game - he currently has DriveWire on order, plus 
he has found that the floppies cause his floppy drive heads to "gum up" 
(ugh).

That is all for now - I will continue to post updates to the list as 
necessary...

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona

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From chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com  Mon Sep 15 22:02:56 2008
From: chaneya at acwoodworksinc.com (Allan Chaney)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:02:56 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy - An Update
In-Reply-To: <000001c9179f$93cdd970$bb698c50$@com>
References: <mailman.31.1221400733.74342.coco@maltedmedia.com>	<48CD95BB.9000900@cox.net>
	<000001c9179f$93cdd970$bb698c50$@com>
Message-ID: <000101c917a0$56ea6d60$04bf4820$@com>

Sorry guys.  For some reason my e-mail lost it's formatting.

Here it is again.

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Allan Chaney
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:57 PM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Cc: 'J.P. Samson'; 'tim lindner'
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy - An Update

Andrew,

That sounds great!  

Your enthusiasm motivated to dig through one of our closests and I found
some tasty old morsels related to my game.  I scanned everything and posted
it on a new website I created this weekend.  Actually it's just a free blog
site but the storage capability serves this purpose very well.  I think it
will be better than e-mailing everything.  Microsoft now provides 5 Gigs
free storage on their Skydrive and so I used it with their Windows Live
Spaces and made a site.  Everything I have except for the Source code files
is on this site free for anyone to download.

If you look at the Files section of the site you will find the following
Folders:
Screen Shots  (Various screen shots of the game)
The Game - What you need to Play (This is everything a person needs to play
the game in windows.)
Rainbow Review and Ad (Just what it says)
Archive Files (bunch of stuff in this folder all listed below)
	FixItList - 9 pages of fix it lists (If you look at these notes,
it's a
			miracle it ever got finished)
	LicenseAgreement - The Legal Agreement with Sundog Systems.  I'm not
even
				sure it's a real contract per say.  Boy
those were simpler times. I did
				learn while re-reading it that the ownership
and thus copyright defaulted
				back to me after 8 years or in 1998 so
that's good.
	MemoryMap - This was the most important document I kept because it
shows
			where all of the routines are kept in memory along
with character stats etc.
	MiscNotes - Just some messy scratchings
	PaladinDiskImages - Scans of the floppies
	Paladins Legacy Review - The review a kind person e-mailed me
recently
	PublisherLetter - The only letter I kept from my publisher with a
bunch of
				stuff for me to do and other comments.
	QualityCode - I have a "final" print of the main code.  It's about
70 pages
			or so. I didn't scan it all.  That would be a huge
waste.  It will be better
			to just have the .asc files.  However I had to laugh
at the first several
			pages so I scanned those.  You'll see why I called
it "Quality" code. :)

At this point I'm just waiting for Drivewire2.0 and hopefully I can add the
source code to that archive folder.

Feel free to snag whatever you want and use it in your archive.  I look
forward to seeing your efforts once your done.

Here is the website:

http://paladinslegacy.spaces.live.com/

Let me know if you have any trouble with anything on the site.  Or if you
have any suggestions.

Allan

 

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Andrew
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:53 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] Paladin's Legacy - An Update

All,

I have taken upon myself to create the archive for Paladin's Legacy, 
with help from Allan and a few other individuals on this list. I have 
collected everything that Allan and others have given me, and organized 
the archive in a logical manner. I have created files describing the 
contents, etc.

One of the things I have done in this archive is assemble all of the 
email messages I am a part of into a single file, both those posted here 
as well as those conducted off-list. I feel that the conversation that 
has been conducted for the assembly of the archive is just as important 
as the archive itself. I do want to ask that if there are any objections 
or modification requests (such as email address removal), please let me 
know.

Currently, I have everything in the archive as described (as well as 
some extra scans I created for the archive, both from the June 1990 
issue of the Rainbow - one is a scan of the inside front cover featuring 
the Sundog Systems advertisement with Paladin's Legacy featured, the 
other a scan of the game review on pages 74-75). I intend to release the 
archive once I know whether Allan can supply me with floppy images of 
the source code for the game - he currently has DriveWire on order, plus 
he has found that the floppies cause his floppy drive heads to "gum up" 
(ugh).

That is all for now - I will continue to post updates to the list as 
necessary...

-- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona

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From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Mon Sep 15 22:13:29 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:13:29 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house><212EC836B0CD4D94ACA703C22266194B@trotter>
	<005001c9178f$4e9eec50$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <1D5DAC274AFF4BD9AD3DC1CAFF44A2DA@trotter>

> I don't know everything and I am just guessing at this point.
Most of us are stumped and guessing on this one.  The only other thing I can 
think of is the 7416 input/output ICs on the disk controller.  You may have 
mentioned checking them, but I did not expect this one to give you this much 
trouble, so I was not following all that closely.

Bruce W. 



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Mon Sep 15 22:24:43 2008
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:24:43 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
In-Reply-To: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <48CF18EB.1060603@worldnet.att.net>

George Ramsower wrote:
> Well, I'm stumped.
> 
> I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.
> 
> The computer seems to work fine as long as I don't access the disk drive.
> 
> To bring you up to date I've changed:
> 
> The CPU, Gime, RAM Board, disk controller and disk drive and C14. That's 
> the one just after the .1 ohm resistor from the voltage regulator 
> transistor. The .1 ohm resistor is not in the circuit as, I'm using an 
> external power supply.
> 
> AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the 
> ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the 
> scope.
> 
> Right now, from power up, when I DIR drive 0, it steps over to( I think) 
> the directory track and then crashes. After a crash, I reset twice 
> because the first reset doen't reset to RSBASIC. The crash gets better 
> and more colorful. Upon the second reset, I get the initial startup 
> screen. This time, when I do a dir, the disk doesn't find the track, 
> tries again and then crashes when it( I think) gets to the dir track.
> My 3.5 drives, upon power up, moves the head to track 0(I think). So 
> after the crash, the drive isn't where the coco is expecting the head to 
> be. Therefore, it goes to the wrong track, doesn't find the directory 
> and tries again after moving it back to zero, tries again and crashes. 
> I'm used to hearing this and I'm pretty sure it is stepping the correct 
> number of tracks before it crashes.
> 
> I hope my info is not to vague or stupid sounding.
> 
> Suggestions are welcome!
> 
> Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed? Has anyone ever 
> had a ROM failure in a CC3?
> 
> George
> 

George,
You need to take a step back, calm down, and approach this problem with 
some logic.

1) Remove the disk controller from the Coco and try all the Basic 
commands. Try the RESET button. If everything works normally, then the 
problem is not in the Coco but in the disk controller.
2) With the disk controller installed, don't issue any disk commands but 
just test the RESET button. If it works correctly, the problem is not 
the DOS ROM but probably the Western Digital chip of the actual drive.
3) What happens with the disk controller installed but the drive off 
when you issue drive commands? How does the RESET button work in this case?

In short, you need to isolate the problem to as narrow a range of 
hardware or software as possible. Then you will know what needs to be 
tested or replaced. Heck, the problem could even be oxidized contact 
strips on the controller or CART socket.
Much of this can be done without test equipment. However, for best 
results at least some test equipment will be needed.


From devries.bob at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 22:53:17 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:53:17 +1000
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <002e01c917a7$60cd3bd0$6400a8c0@aceraspire>

I should tell you the story of a similar experience I had back in the 
day....

Someone brought a coco3 and disk drive to me (remember, I'm an Aussie), 
complaining that the disk drive always returned I/O errors. Since I was the 
local Coco hardware guru, I agreed to check it out. They brought the 
computer and the disk drive to me.

I set it up at my house, and lo and behold, everything worked fine. I showed 
the unit working to them, and they agreed that maybe it was just a glitch, 
so they took it home. Next day, they called me to say that the setup still 
didn't work at their house. I agreed to visit them to check out the 
situation. The computer just would not read disks, and DSKINI failed at the 
verification phase.

I took the computer to my workplace where I had a more extensive electronics 
workshop, and set it up. Sure enough, it didn't work there either. So I set 
to work connecting an oscilloscope to the disk drive to check some logic 
levels. Now here's the interesting part:

As soon as I connected the ground clip of the scope probe to the zero volts 
of the drive, it worked! Go figure.

I went through the disk drive electronics and compared it to the schematic, 
and found that there was a connection missing between the chassis ground and 
the zero volts of the PSU of the drive. I installed the required link, and 
the unit worked flawlessly after that, even at the owner's home.

So why did the system work at my place but not at the owners house and not 
at my workshop? Simply this: both the owner and my workshop used a 
television set as monitor, but I was using a CM-8 monitor. Neither TV set 
was grounded through the mains, but the (aussie) CM-8 was. My assumption is 
that the lack of a ground connection to the computer, and the missing ground 
link in the PSU of the drive, somehow made a ground hum loop, which 
interfered with the working of the drive.

In Australia, our mains powered equipment normally has a ground pin 
connected, unless that equipment is double-insulated. The disk drive power 
supply is not double insulated, and has a 3-pin power plug, as does the CM-8 
monitor. Most TV sets are double-insulated, however.

Why was the link missing? I heard much later that Tandy Australia imported 
and re-powered a quantity of US built disk drives (FD-500) and sold them 
here. Obviously, someone omitted the link in the conversion to aussie power.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3


> Well, I'm stumped.
>
> I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.
>
> The computer seems to work fine as long as I don't access the disk drive.
>
> To bring you up to date I've changed:
>
> The CPU, Gime, RAM Board, disk controller and disk drive and C14. That's 
> the one just after the .1 ohm resistor from the voltage regulator 
> transistor. The .1 ohm resistor is not in the circuit as, I'm using an 
> external power supply.
>
> AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the 
> ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the 
> scope.
>
> Right now, from power up, when I DIR drive 0, it steps over to( I think) 
> the directory track and then crashes. After a crash, I reset twice because 
> the first reset doen't reset to RSBASIC. The crash gets better and more 
> colorful. Upon the second reset, I get the initial startup screen. This 
> time, when I do a dir, the disk doesn't find the track, tries again and 
> then crashes when it( I think) gets to the dir track.
> My 3.5 drives, upon power up, moves the head to track 0(I think). So after 
> the crash, the drive isn't where the coco is expecting the head to be. 
> Therefore, it goes to the wrong track, doesn't find the directory and 
> tries again after moving it back to zero, tries again and crashes. I'm 
> used to hearing this and I'm pretty sure it is stepping the correct number 
> of tracks before it crashes.
>
> I hope my info is not to vague or stupid sounding.
>
> Suggestions are welcome!
>
> Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed? Has anyone ever had 
> a ROM failure in a CC3?
>
> George
>
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From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep 15 23:25:51 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:25:51 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Creating blank disks in VCC
Message-ID: <091620080325.13362.48CF273F0005A8280000343222068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

I _think_ Hex was starting to feel the hostility from several directions, actually.  Not just the Coco and TRS-80 communities.  He seems to have been a promiscuous filesuck and never found a friend anywhere  A pity, actually.  He had the instinct to be a great builder of archives, but was too damned rude about the process.  I doubt Steve said anything nastier to him than I did (though Steve has powerful copyrights to bring to the bar).

--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: richec <rcrislip at neo.rr.com>
> On Saturday 13 September 2008 06:21:56 wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> > Failure to RTFM can can get very rude replies in some forums, this one is
> > (so far, with one exception and while I don't desire the need, nobody
> > misses Hex) as polite as any I've found. 
> <snip>
> 
> I am pretty sure we can thank Steve Bjork for Hex's dissappearance. He 
> mentioned to me during the last Fest that he had an online conversation with 
> Hex and was able to persuade him to go away 8-).
> 
> --
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From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Mon Sep 15 23:41:58 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:41:58 +0000
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for
	yourviewing pleasure.
Message-ID: <091620080341.29575.48CF2B06000236880000738722068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

From: "George Ramsower" <georgeramsower at gmail.com>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "richec"
> > Oooh my gawd!  I want one <drool 8-)_>
> >
> I think it would be kinda cool to have one because of it's uniqueness but, 
> you can have the same thing with a 512K CC3.

Sort of, but you can't run eight or so serial terminals off of a CC3 without a bunch of work and a lot of extra hardware.  I drooled over the Gimix boxes at the shows in Pasadena and Long Beach back in the mid 80s.  (I was still employed by Radio Shack at the time).  Couldn't buy one on Radio Shack pay.  (Those machines predate the CC3 by at least a year or so).
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 00:39:13 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:39:13 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3
In-Reply-To: <48CF18EB.1060603@worldnet.att.net>
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48CF18EB.1060603@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809152139n7d42f13bod569891ce82292ea@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/15/08, Robert Gault wrote:
>
> George,
> You need to take a step back, calm down, and approach this problem with
> some logic.
>
> 1) Remove the disk controller from the Coco and try all the Basic
> commands. Try the RESET button. If everything works normally, then the
> problem is not in the Coco but in the disk controller.

That's not necessarily true. You can't rule out a problem with the
CoCo based on that information alone. The presence of a disk
controller can reveal a problem with the CoCo that otherwise does not
show up. A blown HALT line is a prime example of this (George has
already tested for that one). The NMI is another hardware aspect that
only comes into play when a disk controller is used. If the controller
and drives can be tested with a different CoCo, that would be an easy
way to determine if the CoCo is at fault.


> 2) With the disk controller installed, don't issue any disk commands but
> just test the RESET button. If it works correctly, the problem is not
> the DOS ROM but probably the Western Digital chip of the actual drive.

How would pressing the RESET button reveal bad bytes in the ROM that
are only executed during disk I/O?  Nevertheless, I would consider a
bad ROM to be very unlikely.  Also, I believe George has indicated
that he has replaced the FDC and still sees the same behavior.


> 3) What happens with the disk controller installed but the drive off
> when you issue drive commands? How does the RESET button work in this case?
>
> In short, you need to isolate the problem to as narrow a range of
> hardware or software as possible. Then you will know what needs to be
> tested or replaced. Heck, the problem could even be oxidized contact
> strips on the controller or CART socket.
> Much of this can be done without test equipment. However, for best
> results at least some test equipment will be needed.
>

By all means, clean the controller's contacts if that hasn't been done already.

Based on the information supplied, we know that the FDC is performing
SEEK and RESTORE commands successfully. It also seems to be correctly
handling the VERIFY during SEEK because he hears the usual RESTORE and
RESEEK that occurs when the physical head location does not match
where the CoCo thinks it is.  The problem reportedly happens once the
head has been located over the correct track. The next step in the
process would be the Read Sector command. The following test may
reveal if any data is actually being read:

WIDTH 32
POKE 234,2 : POKE 235, 0
POKE 236,17 : POKE 237, 3
POKE 238,4 : POKE 239, 0
?@256,; :EXEC &HD75F   (&HD66C for DECB 1.0)

This will attempt to read the first sector of an RSDOS directory into
the first 256 bytes of video RAM. Whatever data is being read from the
disk (if any) should appear in the top half of the screen.

Darren


From flexser at fiu.edu  Tue Sep 16 01:05:05 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (flexser at fiu.edu)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:05:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] Fwd: Re:  Broken CC3
Message-ID: <20080916010505.DTF07761@mailstore2.fiu.edu>

I assume you've thoroughly cleaned the upper and lower surfaces of the edge connectors?

You might also try reseating the Disk ROM.

Other possible culprits:  a bad disk cable, or a bad logic chip in the disk controller, or the disk controller chip itself.  (All of this is a lot easier to diagnose if you have the luxury of having access to a second disk controller and cable!)  Some of the 74xx series logic chips there may be more than one of, so if they are socketed, you might try interchanging them and seeing if the symptoms change.

Are you doing this with a known good already-formatted disk?
If not (I've lost track of what transpired earlier in this thread), I'm guessing that formatting failed, so naturally
any reads from the disk will also fail.

If you have some documentation on DSKCON (see the appendix of the Disk Basic manual), you might try some low-level sector IO by poking parameters into $EA-EF and looking at the error code that is found in $F0 after you EXEC the address of DSKCON (which is contained
in $C004-5 or something like that--something in the $D6xx area.)

Art

>On 9/15/08, George Ramsower <georgeramsower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Well, I'm stumped.
>>
>>  I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.
>>
>>  The computer seems to work fine as long as I don't access the disk drive.
>>
>>  To bring you up to date I've changed:
>>
>>  The CPU, Gime, RAM Board, disk controller and disk drive and C14. That's
>> the one just after the .1 ohm resistor from the voltage regulator
>> transistor. The .1 ohm resistor is not in the circuit as, I'm using an
>> external power supply.
>>
>>  AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the
>> ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the scope.
>>
>>  Right now, from power up, when I DIR drive 0, it steps over to( I think)
>> the directory track and then crashes. After a crash, I reset twice because
>> the first reset doen't reset to RSBASIC. The crash gets better and more
>> colorful. Upon the second reset, I get the initial startup screen. This
>> time, when I do a dir, the disk doesn't find the track, tries again and then
>> crashes when it( I think) gets to the dir track.
>>  My 3.5 drives, upon power up, moves the head to track 0(I think). So after
>> the crash, the drive isn't where the coco is expecting the head to be.
>> Therefore, it goes to the wrong track, doesn't find the directory and tries
>> again after moving it back to zero, tries again and crashes. I'm used to
>> hearing this and I'm pretty sure it is stepping the correct number of tracks
>> before it crashes.
>>
>>  I hope my info is not to vague or stupid sounding.
>>
>>  Suggestions are welcome!
>>
>>  Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed? Has anyone ever had a
>> ROM failure in a CC3?
>>
>> George
>>
>>
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>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
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From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 01:11:20 2008
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:11:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] OT - Oil Companies
In-Reply-To: <mailman.48.1221521793.42800.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <660087.12950.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wanna add insult to injury??? From what I understand, our (U.S.) Gov't subsidizes these companies in the name of "finding alternate power sources." They dont want to build new refineries due to "cost" of making a new refinery that complies with regulatory standards for new refineries.

Hmmm, They Got us by the nose when it comes to gas prices.... they get $$$ to find something they are in no hurry to release to the public, if they even are seriously researching alternatives... They raise prices at any excuse, and lower only as they see fit (usually as slow as they can get away with, as you noted Frank).

They argue through their special interest groups that govt regulation of prices is guaranteed to lead to the shortages of the '70s AND try to convince any of us who attempt to research of the same. (I wouldnt doubt that the shortage was artificial, as in the oil companies made sure we didnt have enough.)


I wouldnt doubt the first level of gouging is at the corporate level, and then by some stations (where they think they can get away with it). As you also said Frank, one company's price rises, the others follow suit. Through "zones" a gas station near a freeway can be more expensive than one further from the freeway.

It does boil down to one thing: corporate greed, and the buying off of our elected officials (using FUD and other propaganda techniques).

--- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ---
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:45:58 -0400
> From: Frank Swygert <farna at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Message-ID: <48CE7526.6070400 at att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
...
> price of gasoline rose to just under $5 a gallon in SC in
> "anticipation" of the oil refineries being shut
> down for a while. We HAVE to have gov't regulation of
...
> I can see prices going up a little in anticipation -- no
...
> $4.99-$5.15 the next. The SC governor passed an emergency
> law against price gouging and the next day the price went
> down a little to $4.69 in my home town (on average). My
...
> there's actual damage to something. They are quick to
> anticipate and raise prices, then very #$%^ slow to drop
> them back. 
> 
> How many of you remember the mid and late 70s oil crisis?
...
> things, and at first it was a good thing. Now it seems the
> bas#$%ds at the oil companies have learned to cooperate with
> each other. They all seem to go one after another -- if one
> raises prices, the others follow suit shortly. 
...
> the number of gallons sold!). They are raised due to
> supply/demand (supposedly), and we're all sc$%^wed.  The
> real reason is they see that they can make a lot of money
> off the misfortune of others (those in the wake of the
> storm). I can't see any other reason, it's not to
> cover loss of profits, which would be a justified reason for
> raising prices -- they are report
>  ing even higher profits! 
> 



      


From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 01:22:46 2008
From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1221541216.81372.coco@maltedmedia.com>
Message-ID: <223828.21093.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.

I also know there were some programs for the PC (DOS) That allowed reading and writing of a CoCo disk... Guess I'll hafta dig around my disks and pray that they are readable (and hope I didnt lose it so I can get the name of it for you.


--- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ---
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:32:29 -0700
> From: Michael Robinson <deemcr at robinson-west.com>
> Subject: [Coco] Drivewire image transfer to coco floppy
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Message-ID:
> <1221525149.31261.3.camel at eagle.robinson-west.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Does anyone have experience with cloud 9's drivewire?
> 
> I have the coco software in a drivewire.dsk file.  I need a
> coco
> readable 5.25" disk with the software on it.  Are
> there any freedos
> or Windows 98 compatible tools that I can use to transfer
> the image
> to a real disk?
> 
> If anyone can dd a drivewire 2 360k floppy under Linux and
> send me
> the dump, that would also work.  I have a coco3 with the
> 512k simm
> upgrade installed.
> 



      


From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 01:27:23 2008
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Retro Computers
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0809152227h11f7336ci2ec867949d0f1855@mail.gmail.com>

I'm reading "On The Edge. The Spectacular RIse and Fall of Commodore"

There are many interesting stories about the design of the 6502, 6800, Chuck
Peddle contributing a lot to the 6820, (which is similar to the 6821 in the
Coco).
Also noted are the rivalry between Atari, Apple, Commodore and Tandy, not to
mention many sales & revenue statistics.

While the C64 never had anything as cool as OS9 and it's follow on products
(both HW&SW),  it sold over 30 million units, and has an incredibly powerful
sound chip that
is still inspiring SID-based products today.

Dont want to start any flame wars or tick off anyone, but since we're all
into retro computing one way or another, this book would probably appeal to
many.

Having seen a presentation at The computer History Museum on the 25th
Anniversary of the C64 last year, at which Jack Tramile and others conveyed
a lot of personal tidbits to the audience, I followed up and found this book
on Amazon.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming.....

I feel the need, the NEED TO BOOT Nitros9 ;-)


From deemcr at robinson-west.com  Tue Sep 16 03:15:32 2008
From: deemcr at robinson-west.com (Michael Robinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:15:32 -0700
Subject: [Coco] A long shot...
Message-ID: <1221549333.3311.10.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>

Anyone remember the Power Stones of Ard II?  My master disk won't copy
anymore.  It could be the disk, the disk drives, the drive cable...
If I ever get drivewire working, a dsk image of side 1 and side 2 of
power Stones of Ard II would be nice to have.  I have tried to track
down Three C's Project, but I've had no luck.

Battletech I and Battletech II for the PC are given away even though
they are copyrighted games.  I wonder if the same is possible
for Power Stones of Ard II since noone apparently sells it anymore?
When it comes to abandonware, what are the rules?  In 20 years from
now, will anyone care if you hand out a copy of a commercial color
computer program for free?

I got all the way to level 2 of the third tower.

Well, like I said it is a long shot.  Most disk based games for the
COCO 3 are probably gone now.  I've run into some being given away,
but that seems to be the exception instead of the rule.



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 06:00:15 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:00:15 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3 => Not broken now!!
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <002301c917e3$04dc6ee0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 Well, I finally got out another CC3 still in the RS cabinet and connected 
it to the drive in the inoperative coco cabinet. It worked. I was about to 
modify it to run off the power supply in the inop coco cabinet when it 
occured to me to test the Y cable from the inop coco. The Y cable did carry 
the problem to the test unit with it.
 Upon inspecting it, I found a wire broken from the edge connection from pin 
4 (NMI). The solder connection came loose.
 Resoldered it and my CNC coco is back! I never imagined the Y cable would 
have failed. It's not subjected to vibration
 Darrin was correct about the NMI being suspect in this scenario.

 I suppose it was just a bad soldering job on that pin that was just barely 
hanging on and finally let loose.

 Now I can get back to work on my engraving software. Hurray!

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Ramsower"

> Well, I'm stumped.
>
> I found the power supply was clean after all, I think.
>
> The computer seems to work fine as long as I don't access the disk drive.
>
> To bring you up to date I've changed:
>
> The CPU, Gime, RAM Board, disk controller and disk drive and C14. That's 
> the one just after the .1 ohm resistor from the voltage regulator 
> transistor. The .1 ohm resistor is not in the circuit as, I'm using an 
> external power supply.
>
> AC noise on the 5V line is < 20mv. However, I'm seeing that noise on the 
> ground also. So I suppose this is just noise on the power line to the 
> scope.
>
> Right now, from power up, when I DIR drive 0, it steps over to( I think) 
> the directory track and then crashes. After a crash, I reset twice because 
> the first reset doen't reset to RSBASIC. The crash gets better and more 
> colorful. Upon the second reset, I get the initial startup screen. This 
> time, when I do a dir, the disk doesn't find the track, tries again and 
> then crashes when it( I think) gets to the dir track.
> My 3.5 drives, upon power up, moves the head to track 0(I think). So after 
> the crash, the drive isn't where the coco is expecting the head to be. 
> Therefore, it goes to the wrong track, doesn't find the directory and 
> tries again after moving it back to zero, tries again and crashes. I'm 
> used to hearing this and I'm pretty sure it is stepping the correct number 
> of tracks before it crashes.
>
> I hope my info is not to vague or stupid sounding.
>
> Suggestions are welcome!
>
> Is it possible the ROM in the coco could have failed? Has anyone ever had 
> a ROM failure in a CC3?
>
> George
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Tue Sep 16 06:06:05 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:06:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3 => Not broken now!!
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<002301c917e3$04dc6ee0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <B80F1FE350D34CD5B381250085272962@trotter>

> Now I can get back to work on my engraving software. Hurray!
>
> George

The choir sings in the background and all is right with the world, for the 
moment.

Bruce W. 



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 06:23:33 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:23:33 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Broken CC3 => Not broken now!!
References: <002501c91782$5e6870a0$d4b1b1d8@house><002301c917e3$04dc6ee0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<B80F1FE350D34CD5B381250085272962@trotter>
Message-ID: <002c01c917e6$46489a90$d4b1b1d8@house>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce W. Calkins"

>> Now I can get back to work on my engraving software. Hurray!
>>
>> George
>
> The choir sings in the background and all is right with the world, for the 
> moment.
>
> Bruce W.

 That gave me a visual of cartoon birds flying around, little animals 
happily dancing and flowers blooming as that choir sings in the background.
 This morning's coffee is tasting better all of a sudden and it will be a 
great day, today.

George(That happy guy)



From deemcr at robinson-west.com  Tue Sep 16 13:38:23 2008
From: deemcr at robinson-west.com (Michael Robinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <223828.21093.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <223828.21093.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1221586704.3311.48.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>


On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:22 -0700, Bill Barnes wrote:
> I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.
> 
> I also know there were some programs for the PC (DOS) That allowed reading and writing of a CoCo disk... Guess I'll hafta dig around my disks and pray that they are readable (and hope I didnt lose it so I can get the name of it for you.

MESS had an image tool that allowed me to copy the files from the
drivewire.dsk image to my hard drive on my PC.  Trouble is, how do
I copy these files to a COCO formatted 5.25" disk?



From t.fadden at cox.net  Tue Sep 16 13:59:16 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:59:16 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <1221586704.3311.48.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
Message-ID: <20080916135916.DUVLC.88424.imail@fed1rmwml36>

If you can't find the utility to make rsdos disks from pc dos you could do this.

1. connect pc to coco via serial connection start com program on pc, and com program on coco. 

2. Make sure the communication paramaters are the same, use null-modem cable, etc. What you type on one should show up on the other.

3. start sending the file on the pc, and start receiving on the coco. 

I do something similar with os9 successfully. I haven't used an rsdos com program, but I would assume that it writes the downloaded file to disk.  Search of a pc com program that does xmodem, ymodem, or zmodem or all three.  At least one of these should be available with the rsdos com program.



---- Michael Robinson <deemcr at robinson-west.com> wrote: 

On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:22 -0700, Bill Barnes wrote:
> I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.
> 
> I also know there were some programs for the PC (DOS) That allowed reading and writing of a CoCo disk... Guess I'll hafta dig around my disks and pray that they are readable (and hope I didnt lose it so I can get the name of it for you.

MESS had an image tool that allowed me to copy the files from the
drivewire.dsk image to my hard drive on my PC.  Trouble is, how do
I copy these files to a COCO formatted 5.25" disk?


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From mechacoco at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 14:51:06 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:51:06 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <1221586704.3311.48.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
References: <223828.21093.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1221586704.3311.48.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809161151u2bbd0a8aj31ffaae3eecf30a2@mail.gmail.com>

If you have a Windows or Linux PC with a floppy drive in it then you
may want to take a look at this how-to info:

<http://www.nitros9.org/howto.html#dsk>

Darren

-------
On 9/16/08, Michael Robinson wrote:
>
>
> MESS had an image tool that allowed me to copy the files from the
> drivewire.dsk image to my hard drive on my PC.  Trouble is, how do
> I copy these files to a COCO formatted 5.25" disk?
>
>


From kb8wvn at msn.com  Tue Sep 16 15:04:09 2008
From: kb8wvn at msn.com (herojr2002)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:04:09 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mikeyterm
Message-ID: <gaovv9+106l1@eGroups.com>

does anyone have a copy of mikeyterm they could send me
    thanks



From deemcr at robinson-west.com  Tue Sep 16 15:18:02 2008
From: deemcr at robinson-west.com (Michael Robinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:18:02 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Solved Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <20080916135916.DUVLC.88424.imail@fed1rmwml36>
References: <20080916135916.DUVLC.88424.imail@fed1rmwml36>
Message-ID: <1221592682.3311.51.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>

Jeff Vavasour, have I got that right, put out a dos coco3 emulator that
comes with a dskini.exe tool for Windows dosbox and dos.  I created a
new disk just fine, but my coco disk drives are broken and won't read
it :-(



From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Tue Sep 16 16:37:45 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:37:45 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
Message-ID: <20080916.153745.2396.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

If you find the files that allow, please let me know.

Thanks
John
 
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:38:23 -0700 Michael Robinson
<deemcr at robinson-west.com> writes:
> 
> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:22 -0700, Bill Barnes wrote:
> > I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the 
> CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.
> > 
> > I also know there were some programs for the PC (DOS) That allowed 
> reading and writing of a CoCo disk... Guess I'll hafta dig around my 
> disks and pray that they are readable (and hope I didnt lose it so I 
> can get the name of it for you.
> 
> MESS had an image tool that allowed me to copy the files from the
> drivewire.dsk image to my hard drive on my PC.  Trouble is, how do
> I copy these files to a COCO formatted 5.25" disk?
> 
> 
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From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Tue Sep 16 16:50:55 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:50:55 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <20080916.153745.2396.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
References: <20080916.153745.2396.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1221598255.6082.1.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

I'm going to state something that might be obvious to some and not to
others.  Be sure the 5.25" drive in your PC is a _double density_ drive
-- most every drive you come across these days is the 1.2MB AT standard.
They spin at a different rate and thus aren't very reliable readers and
even less reliable writers of double-density media.

C.




From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Tue Sep 16 16:59:51 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:59:51 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
Message-ID: <20080916.155951.2396.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

With the serial cable, do I have to switch the send anf receive leads on
one end?

John
 
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:59:16 -0400 <t.fadden at cox.net> writes:
> If you can't find the utility to make rsdos disks from pc dos you 
> could do this.
> 
> 1. connect pc to coco via serial connection start com program on pc, 
> and com program on coco. 
> 
> 2. Make sure the communication paramaters are the same, use 
> null-modem cable, etc. What you type on one should show up on the 
> other.
> 
> 3. start sending the file on the pc, and start receiving on the 
> coco. 
> 
> I do something similar with os9 successfully. I haven't used an 
> rsdos com program, but I would assume that it writes the downloaded 
> file to disk.  Search of a pc com program that does xmodem, ymodem, 
> or zmodem or all three.  At least one of these should be available 
> with the rsdos com program.
> 
> 
> 
> ---- Michael Robinson <deemcr at robinson-west.com> wrote: 
> 
> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:22 -0700, Bill Barnes wrote:
> > I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the 
> CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.
> > 
> > I also know there were some programs for the PC (DOS) That allowed 
> reading and writing of a CoCo disk... Guess I'll hafta dig around my 
> disks and pray that they are readable (and hope I didnt lose it so I 
> can get the name of it for you.
> 
> MESS had an image tool that allowed me to copy the files from the
> drivewire.dsk image to my hard drive on my PC.  Trouble is, how do
> I copy these files to a COCO formatted 5.25" disk?
> 
> 
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 
> 
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From alhartman at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 17:14:09 2008
From: alhartman at yahoo.com (Al Hartman)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:14:09 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
Message-ID: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>

Not legally...

Al


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Sep 16 17:19:43 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
References: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60809161419q7be76061nd2df37ecf87b233e@mail.gmail.com>

Actually MikeyTerm was shareware, so yes someone could send Herojr2002 the
software.  Just not any sort of full activation code / file.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Al Hartman <alhartman at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not legally...
>
> Al
>
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From flexser at fiu.edu  Tue Sep 16 17:20:52 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:20:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809161719070.24532-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

Mike Ward was giving it away for free even in the CoCo's heyday--it could be
downloaded from Compuserve and Delphi.  It may well be in the database attached
to this list.  I think we can confidently say that at this point, it can be
freely distributed.

Art

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Al Hartman wrote:

> Not legally...
> 
> Al



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 17:19:04 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:19:04 -0700
Subject: [Coco] A long shot...
References: <1221549333.3311.10.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
Message-ID: <618EDC37BC19489EBC60A4D56DF6A18D@NewBaby>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Robinson" <deemcr at robinson-west.com>

> When it comes to abandonware, what are the rules?  In 20 years from
> now, will anyone care if you hand out a copy of a commercial color
> computer program for free?

My rule is: you may have the last copy on earth so archive it somewhere 
ASAP.

IME, many authors don't have copies of their stuff any more and all but a 
few are happy that people are still using / playing with it.

Regards,

Neil




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 17:20:39 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:20:39 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
References: <20080916.153745.2396.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
Message-ID: <022749C818664C56B3530681DDF965A9@NewBaby>


It's part of Vavasour's emulator - now freeware. Works fine on my 1.2 Mb 386
computer.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John T Chasteen" <johnchasteen.2 at juno.com>

> If you find the files that allow, please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> John
>
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:38:23 -0700 Michael Robinson
> <deemcr at robinson-west.com> writes:
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:22 -0700, Bill Barnes wrote:
>> > I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the
>> CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.




From os9dude at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 17:23:00 2008
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:23:00 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
References: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580809161423i475916e8ga1c69d7271720478@mail.gmail.com>

Not legally?

- - -

herojr2002... a real CoCo disk or in virtual disk format? I can accomodate
the *real* CoCo disk. Let me know



-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Al Hartman <alhartman at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not legally...
>
> Al


From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 17:45:16 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:45:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <gaovv9+106l1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <714040.43414.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

e-mail me off list and I can e-mail you a .DSK image of it if that will help.



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--- On Tue, 9/16/08, herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com> wrote:
From: herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com>
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mikeyterm
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:04 PM

does anyone have a copy of mikeyterm they could send me
    thanks


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From dml_68 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 17:45:46 2008
From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <813158.91923.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Way to be helpful...



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--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Al Hartman <alhartman at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Al Hartman <alhartman at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 2:14 PM

Not legally...

Al

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From underserf at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 17:24:58 2008
From: underserf at yahoo.com (Mike Ortloff)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <764164.21945.qm@web56602.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

might want to tell RTSI & DBK that there's copyright boogeymen out to get 'em - especially since this stuff was released a decade ago & there's no disclaimer as to stuff being copyrighted on either website

=M0=

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Al Hartman <alhartman at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Al Hartman <alhartman at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 2:14 PM










    
            Not legally...



Al


      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      


From underserf at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 17:22:29 2008
From: underserf at yahoo.com (Mike Ortloff)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:22:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <gaovv9+106l1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <735015.52748.qm@web56607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Both? RTSI & ftp.maltedmedia.com have that and lots of others

=M0=


--- On Tue, 9/16/08, herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com> wrote:
From: herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com>
Subject: [Color Computer] mikeyterm
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:04 PM










    
            does anyone have a copy of mikeyterm they could send me

    thanks




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      


From t.fadden at cox.net  Tue Sep 16 18:45:26 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:45:26 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <20080916.155951.2396.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
References: <20080916.155951.2396.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
Message-ID: <48D03706.5010405@cox.net>

If you are making a cable, yes you need to swap the send and receive.  
Do a google search for NULL modem cable.  There are many variaties you 
can make.  Yo can probably get buy with the simplest and use xon-xoff  
flow control. If you need hardware flow controle, you will need a full 
blown null modem cable.  You can purchase null modem adapters, and 
cables most anywhere.  these work great for this. That would probably be 
best.


John T Chasteen wrote:
> With the serial cable, do I have to switch the send anf receive leads on
> one end?
>
> John
>  
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:59:16 -0400 <t.fadden at cox.net> writes:
>   
>> If you can't find the utility to make rsdos disks from pc dos you 
>> could do this.
>>
>> 1. connect pc to coco via serial connection start com program on pc, 
>> and com program on coco. 
>>
>> 2. Make sure the communication paramaters are the same, use 
>> null-modem cable, etc. What you type on one should show up on the 
>> other.
>>
>> 3. start sending the file on the pc, and start receiving on the 
>> coco. 
>>
>> I do something similar with os9 successfully. I haven't used an 
>> rsdos com program, but I would assume that it writes the downloaded 
>> file to disk.  Search of a pc com program that does xmodem, ymodem, 
>> or zmodem or all three.  At least one of these should be available 
>> with the rsdos com program.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Michael Robinson <deemcr at robinson-west.com> wrote: 
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:22 -0700, Bill Barnes wrote:
>>     
>>> I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the 
>>>       
>> CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.
>>     
>>> I also know there were some programs for the PC (DOS) That allowed 
>>>       
>> reading and writing of a CoCo disk... Guess I'll hafta dig around my 
>> disks and pray that they are readable (and hope I didnt lose it so I 
>> can get the name of it for you.
>>
>> MESS had an image tool that allowed me to copy the files from the
>> drivewire.dsk image to my hard drive on my PC.  Trouble is, how do
>> I copy these files to a COCO formatted 5.25" disk?
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
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From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Sep 16 22:24:22 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:24:22 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: ummmm... OS-9 computer system pictures for your
	viewing pleasure.
In-Reply-To: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>
References: <7C80A9F0-1381-47A5-8CF6-0D1F86398C2C@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <B8547C2A-F11D-43FA-A119-B00E7EEAA83B@pritchard.ca>

Hi everyone,

I just posted 5 new pictures for the Gimix systems.  Same URL is being  
used.

http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021

A couple of notes.  These pictures are of some spare items and  
diskettes that I have (not all diskettes though).

The 2 port serial card uses MC68B50P UARTs.

The 3 port serial card has the following observations:
- GMX SIOP OS-9 V2.10 ?1983 MSC sticker on ROM, and has a HD68B09P  
processor, 2 HM6116P-2 RAM chips, three R6551AP UARTs, and a Z8038DC.   
The small crystal in the corner is a 8MHz crystal and the other larger  
crystal has a KHz rating that I cannot make out.

The Teac FDD looked new, I think I may have just used it for the first  
time on my CoCo 1.

The Diskettes 1 photo has:
Top to bottom:
BASIC09
Another BASIC09
Interactive Assembler / Macro Text Editor
PASCAL V2.0
Another Interactive Assembler / Macro Text Editor
OS-9 GMX IIIs OS V1.2 / Support ROM Version

The Diskettes 2 photo has:
Top to bottom:
Entertainment Package 3of3
Entertainment Package
2of3
Entertainment Package
1of3
FHL DynaForm
FHL DynaStar

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 14-Sep-08, at 8:20 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> With a lot of this CoCo List talking about OS-9, I thought I would  
> make an off-topic posting with a simple link and vague description  
> to some OS-9 computer system pr0n.  We are talking about computers  
> here folks.  The pictures of the systems should speak for  
> themselves.  I will be posting more photos in the near future, as I  
> will be removing the cards from the associated busses to take photos.
>
> http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021
>
> After viewing these photos, some of you may be wondering why I have  
> been asking about the 64K upgrade instructions for the CoCo 1.   
> Honestly I can't even begin to come up with a good reason.  Not with  
> this evidence against me.
>
> More information on these systems will be revealed after the photos  
> have had a chance to be viewed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>
>
>



From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Sep 16 22:29:55 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:29:55 -0500
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
Message-ID: <C3F6CE94-18FA-4B48-BC08-FCC5928030D4@pritchard.ca>

I have success with formatting a diskette with the CoCo.

This confirms my cable and drive controller are working correctly.  I  
lucked out and found what looks to have been a never used Teac  
FD-55F-03-U in with the two Gimix systems I had dug out of storage in  
my moms basement ;).

Ran DSKINI1 and the drive chugged away, to the middle of the opening  
on the diskette.  Head reset back to track 0 and then verified the  
format.

Time to follow the instructions for the 64K ram upgrade that several  
people responded with the instructions for, and get myself NitrOS-9  
running on this fine piece of machinery.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 12-Sep-08, at 4:50 PM, Arthur Flexser wrote:

> When you say you get IO errors "at the end" of the formatting  
> routine, I suspect
> you are actually getting them in the middle of the routine, when  
> DSKINI has
> finished writing the tracks (or trying to do so, at least) and first  
> attempts to
> read back from the disk to make sure everything went okay.  So, that  
> raises the
> question of whether your drives are able to read (or write) anything  
> at all.
> Have you checked to see whether an already-formatted disk can be  
> read?  Does the
> drive light come on when a drive is accessed?  It sounds like you  
> might have a
> hardware problem with your disk controller, if both drives are  
> equally affected.
> (If the drive lights are on all the time, you may heave a sigh of  
> relief, for
> that would mean simply that you've plugged the drive cable in upside  
> down.)
>
> Art
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who had responded the to my original post.  Here  
>> is
>> a status update, and from the status I am hoping for some further
>> assistance.
>>
>> Thanks go out to Darren A for setting me up with a Extended Color
>> Basic 1.1 ROM.
>>
>> My 26-3029 FDC is the 7 chip WD1773 based version thus I will not be
>> able to mod it to work at HD.  Oh Well!
>>
>> I have been trying to format disks in either 3.5" or 5.25" (I can't
>> believe I had two boxes of KAO 5.25" DSDD never opened kicking
>> around).  Anyway I get IO errors at the end of the formatting routine
>> regardless of 3.5" or 5.25" drive / media.
>> Here is a list of my 5.25" FDDs:
>> Panasonic JU-475-4 A55
>> Panasonic JU-455-5 AAG
>> Teac FD-55GFR-570-U
>> Teac FD-55GFR 149-U5
>> Mitsumi F509V3
>>
>> 3.5" FDDs
>> Fujitsu M2537D15D
>> Fujitsu M2537B11D
>> Teac FD-235HF 3240-U5
>>
>> For all the drives I have tried to ensure that the DC/RY jumpers are
>> set to Drive Ready and not Drive Change.  I have jumper settings for
>> some of them, but it seems to not help. The cable I am using has been
>> returned to straight through mode.
>>
>> I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for the
>> 26-3001 REV E board.  Currently it has 16K installed, the jumpers all
>> mention the 32K setting.  The closest instructions I have found are
>> from an archive of Paul Demarni's Coco pages (http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html
>> ).  It instructs about the 32K upgrade and makes reference to him
>> having instructions for the 64K upgrade.
>>
>> The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983 issue  
>> of
>> Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue, that I
>> can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ryan Pritchard
>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24-Aug-08, at 9:53 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>>
>>> Hello out there,
>>>
>>> Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am
>>> looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour.
>>>
>>> Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to Dennis
>>> telling me some information about the mailing list server.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired years
>>> ago.  The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the
>>> Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all
>>> the way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I
>>> have are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card.
>>>
>>> Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1.
>>> It has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I
>>> could install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one.
>>>
>>> I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to
>>> boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk
>>> related.  Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look
>>> at to determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and
>>> booting from the FDC ROM?  The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA
>>> MV-1 38 84, and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip.  The markings on
>>> the ROM are TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A.
>>>
>>> It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or
>>> chips, though I have not tested any of them.  Also I have tried the
>>> time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the
>>> problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo.
>>>
>>> Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time
>>> in their lives, help would sure be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ryan Pritchard
>>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>
>>
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From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Tue Sep 16 23:18:09 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:18:09 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco Part
Message-ID: <20080916.221809.560.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

Hello Coco Friends

While trying to clear the clutter in my computer room I have ran across a
part I don't
recognize. It is a small (1.5 inch circular  x 3/8 inch high) part  with
a 3 in cable coming out one 
side with a 5 pin  male  din connector. connector. The label is printed
with 
"MAX-10 CLICKER - COLORWARE Serial number: 101462

What does it work with? All information
will be appreciated.

John
____________________________________________________________
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http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275WpoorDykKIfqWQPoYRJFdKFutb1WoCt6t54SGCFOFE1/


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Tue Sep 16 23:24:33 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:24:33 -0500
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <C3F6CE94-18FA-4B48-BC08-FCC5928030D4@pritchard.ca>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<C3F6CE94-18FA-4B48-BC08-FCC5928030D4@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <5A088693-1D99-4EF8-955E-6826339A1610@pritchard.ca>

Even more confirmation, I wrote a simple BASIC program, saved it.   
Then turned the computer off and on, loaded the program and ran it.   
All is good in the world for this CoCo 1.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies



On 16-Sep-08, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:

> I have success with formatting a diskette with the CoCo.
>
> This confirms my cable and drive controller are working correctly.   
> I lucked out and found what looks to have been a never used Teac  
> FD-55F-03-U in with the two Gimix systems I had dug out of storage  
> in my moms basement ;).
>
> Ran DSKINI1 and the drive chugged away, to the middle of the opening  
> on the diskette.  Head reset back to track 0 and then verified the  
> format.
>
> Time to follow the instructions for the 64K ram upgrade that several  
> people responded with the instructions for, and get myself NitrOS-9  
> running on this fine piece of machinery.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>
>
>
> On 12-Sep-08, at 4:50 PM, Arthur Flexser wrote:
>
>> When you say you get IO errors "at the end" of the formatting  
>> routine, I suspect
>> you are actually getting them in the middle of the routine, when  
>> DSKINI has
>> finished writing the tracks (or trying to do so, at least) and  
>> first attempts to
>> read back from the disk to make sure everything went okay.  So,  
>> that raises the
>> question of whether your drives are able to read (or write)  
>> anything at all.
>> Have you checked to see whether an already-formatted disk can be  
>> read?  Does the
>> drive light come on when a drive is accessed?  It sounds like you  
>> might have a
>> hardware problem with your disk controller, if both drives are  
>> equally affected.
>> (If the drive lights are on all the time, you may heave a sigh of  
>> relief, for
>> that would mean simply that you've plugged the drive cable in  
>> upside down.)
>>
>> Art
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who had responded the to my original post.   
>>> Here is
>>> a status update, and from the status I am hoping for some further
>>> assistance.
>>>
>>> Thanks go out to Darren A for setting me up with a Extended Color
>>> Basic 1.1 ROM.
>>>
>>> My 26-3029 FDC is the 7 chip WD1773 based version thus I will not be
>>> able to mod it to work at HD.  Oh Well!
>>>
>>> I have been trying to format disks in either 3.5" or 5.25" (I can't
>>> believe I had two boxes of KAO 5.25" DSDD never opened kicking
>>> around).  Anyway I get IO errors at the end of the formatting  
>>> routine
>>> regardless of 3.5" or 5.25" drive / media.
>>> Here is a list of my 5.25" FDDs:
>>> Panasonic JU-475-4 A55
>>> Panasonic JU-455-5 AAG
>>> Teac FD-55GFR-570-U
>>> Teac FD-55GFR 149-U5
>>> Mitsumi F509V3
>>>
>>> 3.5" FDDs
>>> Fujitsu M2537D15D
>>> Fujitsu M2537B11D
>>> Teac FD-235HF 3240-U5
>>>
>>> For all the drives I have tried to ensure that the DC/RY jumpers are
>>> set to Drive Ready and not Drive Change.  I have jumper settings for
>>> some of them, but it seems to not help. The cable I am using has  
>>> been
>>> returned to straight through mode.
>>>
>>> I am still looking for confirmed 64K ram upgrade instructions for  
>>> the
>>> 26-3001 REV E board.  Currently it has 16K installed, the jumpers  
>>> all
>>> mention the 32K setting.  The closest instructions I have found are
>>> from an archive of Paul Demarni's Coco pages (http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob/coco_page.html
>>> ).  It instructs about the 32K upgrade and makes reference to him
>>> having instructions for the 64K upgrade.
>>>
>>> The other resource I have read about is from the October 1983  
>>> issue of
>>> Color Computer Magazine, I really hope someone has that issue,  
>>> that I
>>> can acquire a scan of the article or arrange to acquire the issue.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ryan Pritchard
>>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24-Aug-08, at 9:53 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello out there,
>>>>
>>>> Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am
>>>> looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour.
>>>>
>>>> Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to  
>>>> Dennis
>>>> telling me some information about the mailing list server.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired  
>>>> years
>>>> ago.  The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the
>>>> Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all
>>>> the way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I
>>>> have are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card.
>>>>
>>>> Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1.
>>>> It has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I
>>>> could install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one.
>>>>
>>>> I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to
>>>> boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk
>>>> related.  Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should  
>>>> look
>>>> at to determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and
>>>> booting from the FDC ROM?  The PCB for the FDC has the markings  
>>>> LEIA
>>>> MV-1 38 84, and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip.  The markings  
>>>> on
>>>> the ROM are TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A.
>>>>
>>>> It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or
>>>> chips, though I have not tested any of them.  Also I have tried the
>>>> time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the
>>>> problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo.
>>>>
>>>> Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time
>>>> in their lives, help would sure be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Pritchard
>>>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>
>>
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>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From lamune at doki-doki.net  Tue Sep 16 23:40:48 2008
From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:40:48 -0700
Subject: [Coco] coco Part
In-Reply-To: <20080916.221809.560.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
References: <20080916.221809.560.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D749@fenestra.lamunet.local>

That's for the MAX-10 word processor, kind of a clone of macwrite.

Pretty sure by the same guys who made CoCo Max.

It's a hardware copy protection dongle thing.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John T Chasteen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:18 PM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: [Coco] coco Part
> 
> Hello Coco Friends
> 
> While trying to clear the clutter in my computer room I have ran
across
> a
> part I don't
> recognize. It is a small (1.5 inch circular  x 3/8 inch high) part
> with
> a 3 in cable coming out one
> side with a 5 pin  male  din connector. connector. The label is
printed
> with
> "MAX-10 CLICKER - COLORWARE Serial number: 101462
> 
> What does it work with? All information
> will be appreciated.
> 
> John
> ____________________________________________________________
> Looking for insurance?  Click to compare and save big.
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275WpoorDykKIfqWQPo
> YRJFdKFutb1WoCt6t54SGCFOFE1/
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From t.fadden at cox.net  Wed Sep 17 00:09:47 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:09:47 -0700
Subject: [Coco] coco Part
In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D749@fenestra.lamunet.local>
References: <20080916.221809.560.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
	<4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D749@fenestra.lamunet.local>
Message-ID: <48D0830B.5090908@cox.net>

Correct on all accounts.  I got both of them.

Tim fadden


Mike Pepe wrote:
> That's for the MAX-10 word processor, kind of a clone of macwrite.
>
> Pretty sure by the same guys who made CoCo Max.
>
> It's a hardware copy protection dongle thing.
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John T Chasteen
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:18 PM
>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
>> Subject: [Coco] coco Part
>>
>> Hello Coco Friends
>>
>> While trying to clear the clutter in my computer room I have ran
>>     
> across
>   
>> a
>> part I don't
>> recognize. It is a small (1.5 inch circular  x 3/8 inch high) part
>> with
>> a 3 in cable coming out one
>> side with a 5 pin  male  din connector. connector. The label is
>>     
> printed
>   
>> with
>> "MAX-10 CLICKER - COLORWARE Serial number: 101462
>>
>> What does it work with? All information
>> will be appreciated.
>>
>> John
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Looking for insurance?  Click to compare and save big.
>>
>>     
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275WpoorDykKIfqWQPo
>   
>> YRJFdKFutb1WoCt6t54SGCFOFE1/
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>     
>
>
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   
Corr


From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Wed Sep 17 00:21:38 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:21:38 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco Part
Message-ID: <20080916.232138.560.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>


Tim

Does it provide the KeyClicks and do you connect it in the cassette port?

John
 
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:09:47 -0700 Tim Fadden <t.fadden at cox.net> writes:
> Correct on all accounts.  I got both of them.
> 
> Tim fadden
> 
> 
> Mike Pepe wrote:
> > That's for the MAX-10 word processor, kind of a clone of 
> macwrite.
> >
> > Pretty sure by the same guys who made CoCo Max.
> >
> > It's a hardware copy protection dongle thing.
> >
> >   
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
> >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John T Chasteen
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:18 PM
> >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> >> Subject: [Coco] coco Part
> >>
> >> Hello Coco Friends
> >>
> >> While trying to clear the clutter in my computer room I have ran
> >>     
> > across
> >   
> >> a
> >> part I don't
> >> recognize. It is a small (1.5 inch circular  x 3/8 inch high) 
> part
> >> with
> >> a 3 in cable coming out one
> >> side with a 5 pin  male  din connector. connector. The label is
> >>     
> > printed
> >   
> >> with
> >> "MAX-10 CLICKER - COLORWARE Serial number: 101462
> >>
> >> What does it work with? All information
> >> will be appreciated.
> >>
> >> John
> >> ____________________________________________________________
> >> Looking for insurance?  Click to compare and save big.
> >>
> >>     
> > 
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275WpoorDykKIfqWQPo
> >   
> >> YRJFdKFutb1WoCt6t54SGCFOFE1/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Coco mailing list
> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >>     
> >
> >
> > --
> > Coco mailing list
> > Coco at maltedmedia.com
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> >
> >   
> Corr
> 
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
> 
> 
 


From t.fadden at cox.net  Wed Sep 17 01:05:58 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:58 -0700
Subject: [Coco] coco Part
In-Reply-To: <20080916.232138.560.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
References: <20080916.232138.560.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
Message-ID: <48D09036.3080508@cox.net>

John,

Honestly I don't think it does any clicking,  If I remember correctly, 
it is used for copy protection.  I found a hack for the program to run 
without it.  Yes the clicker goes into the cassette port. ( had to dig 
out the manual for that one!)

Tim

John T Chasteen wrote:
> Tim
>
> Does it provide the KeyClicks and do you connect it in the cassette port?
>
> John
>  
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:09:47 -0700 Tim Fadden <t.fadden at cox.net> writes:
>   
>> Correct on all accounts.  I got both of them.
>>
>> Tim fadden
>>
>>
>> Mike Pepe wrote:
>>     
>>> That's for the MAX-10 word processor, kind of a clone of 
>>>       
>> macwrite.
>>     
>>> Pretty sure by the same guys who made CoCo Max.
>>>
>>> It's a hardware copy protection dongle thing.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>>>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John T Chasteen
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:18 PM
>>>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> Subject: [Coco] coco Part
>>>>
>>>> Hello Coco Friends
>>>>
>>>> While trying to clear the clutter in my computer room I have ran
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> across
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> a
>>>> part I don't
>>>> recognize. It is a small (1.5 inch circular  x 3/8 inch high) 
>>>>         
>> part
>>     
>>>> with
>>>> a 3 in cable coming out one
>>>> side with a 5 pin  male  din connector. connector. The label is
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> printed
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> with
>>>> "MAX-10 CLICKER - COLORWARE Serial number: 101462
>>>>
>>>> What does it work with? All information
>>>> will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>> Looking for insurance?  Click to compare and save big.
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275WpoorDykKIfqWQPo
>>     
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> YRJFdKFutb1WoCt6t54SGCFOFE1/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Corr
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
>>     
>  
>
> --
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> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Wed Sep 17 01:08:37 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:08:37 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
Message-ID: <091720080508.29126.48D090D5000A0615000071C622058861720B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> I'm going to state something that might be obvious to some and not to
> others.  Be sure the 5.25" drive in your PC is a _double density_ drive
> -- most every drive you come across these days is the 1.2MB AT standard.
> They spin at a different rate and thus aren't very reliable readers and
> even less reliable writers of double-density media.

Extremely reliable readers, and very reliable writers _IF YOU BULK-ERASE THE DISK FIRST_.  High-density drives never have a problem reading lower-density media.  But writing to a disk that already has lower density data on it, the 80-track head records a narrower path than the 40-track head, leaving slop on the sides.  Trying to read that back on a 40-track head (same size that the 35-track original Coco disk drives used) causes confusion as the partial bits on the sides interfere with the intended bits in the middle.  This has been common knowledge since the Tandy 2000 showed up in 1983.  All Radio Shack Computer Center tech support geeks were told the week of the release  (mid-August as I recall, but my memory is far from perfect) and we told everybody who took one out the door not to mess up their IBM-style floppies.  (Yeah, I know, warning customers is an exercise in futility, especially if you really insist DON'T DO THIS).
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_



From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Wed Sep 17 07:15:16 2008
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco Part
In-Reply-To: <48D09036.3080508@cox.net>
References: <20080916.232138.560.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
	<48D09036.3080508@cox.net>
Message-ID: <007801c918b6$a9d087a0$fd7196e0$@com>

The "key click" while typing comes from the software cycling the cassette
port and you will hear an audible click as it goes on and off.  I had an
original but it was sacrificed for the greater good and the schematic from
that hack showed up in the Rainbow eventually.  I received back a "copy"
that was embedded in epoxy inside a 35mm film pot.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Fadden
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:06 AM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] coco Part

John,

Honestly I don't think it does any clicking,  If I remember correctly, 
it is used for copy protection.  I found a hack for the program to run 
without it.  Yes the clicker goes into the cassette port. ( had to dig 
out the manual for that one!)

Tim

John T Chasteen wrote:
> Tim
>
> Does it provide the KeyClicks and do you connect it in the cassette port?
>
> John
>  
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:09:47 -0700 Tim Fadden <t.fadden at cox.net> writes:
>   
>> Correct on all accounts.  I got both of them.
>>
>> Tim fadden
>>
>>
>> Mike Pepe wrote:
>>     
>>> That's for the MAX-10 word processor, kind of a clone of 
>>>       
>> macwrite.
>>     
>>> Pretty sure by the same guys who made CoCo Max.
>>>
>>> It's a hardware copy protection dongle thing.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-
>>>> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of John T Chasteen
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:18 PM
>>>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> Subject: [Coco] coco Part
>>>>
>>>> Hello Coco Friends
>>>>
>>>> While trying to clear the clutter in my computer room I have ran
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> across
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> a
>>>> part I don't
>>>> recognize. It is a small (1.5 inch circular  x 3/8 inch high) 
>>>>         
>> part
>>     
>>>> with
>>>> a 3 in cable coming out one
>>>> side with a 5 pin  male  din connector. connector. The label is
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> printed
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> with
>>>> "MAX-10 CLICKER - COLORWARE Serial number: 101462
>>>>
>>>> What does it work with? All information
>>>> will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>> Looking for insurance?  Click to compare and save big.
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275WpoorDykKIfqWQPo
>>     
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> YRJFdKFutb1WoCt6t54SGCFOFE1/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Corr
>>
>> --
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>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>>
>>     
>  
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From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Wed Sep 17 08:44:29 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:44:29 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <091720080508.29126.48D090D5000A0615000071C622058861720B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <091720080508.29126.48D090D5000A0615000071C622058861720B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1221655469.6082.19.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 05:08 +0000, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> > I'm going to state something that might be obvious to some and not to
> > others.  Be sure the 5.25" drive in your PC is a _double density_ drive
> > -- most every drive you come across these days is the 1.2MB AT standard.
> > They spin at a different rate and thus aren't very reliable readers and
> > even less reliable writers of double-density media.
> 
> Extremely reliable readers, and very reliable writers _IF YOU BULK-ERASE THE DISK FIRST_.  

I thought it was a data-rate problem, due to rotational rate.  I.e.,
this problem doesn't exist between DD/HD 3.5" disks (720K and 1440K),
and they spin at the same rate.  BUT they also have the same track
width..

Hmm, so thinking about this for a moment .. double-density media has a
data rate at 300RPM of 250Kb/s.  At 360RPM that becomes 300Kb/s, and
whaddya know, standard PC floppy controllers (like the 82077 on my FDC)
have a 300Kb/s data-rate option...

So I stand corrected :)  

C.




From benbleau at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 10:07:29 2008
From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:07:29 -0400
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with
 a	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <C3F6CE94-18FA-4B48-BC08-FCC5928030D4@pritchard.ca>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<C3F6CE94-18FA-4B48-BC08-FCC5928030D4@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <48D10F21.9020503@gmail.com>

Ryan Pritchard wrote:
> I have success with formatting a diskette with the CoCo.
>
> This confirms my cable and drive controller are working correctly.  I 
> lucked out and found what looks to have been a never used Teac 
> FD-55F-03-U in with the two Gimix systems I had dug out of storage in 
> my moms basement ;).
>
> Ran DSKINI1 and the drive chugged away, to the middle of the opening 
> on the diskette.  Head reset back to track 0 and then verified the 
> format.
>

Ryan,
The FD-55F-03-U are 96tpi drives, or better know as double-sided 80 
track drives.  You will be able to use them with an unmodified coco 
controller, but won't be able to read/write standard 48tpi drives ( the 
regular 35 or 40 tracks)

With Nitros9 or OS9 you can use the full capacity of the drives by 
modifying the device descriptors.

-Benoit


From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 10:14:37 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  Color Burner
Message-ID: <002701c918cf$b8865cc0$d4b1b1d8@house>

Sunday, while looking for stuff when I was trying to repair my CNC coco, I
ran across a box with some coco plugin cards. Among them was a PROM burner
that I bought back about '85 or so.

 Does anyone have the docs on this board? On the board it gives credit to D.
Kitsz.

 I never really finished building it and since then, I've stolen U3 off it
and lost the manual. Now I have an interest in getting it up and running
with the intent of make a ROM(with assistance from the group) to boot OS-9
automatically.

George



From RJRTTY at aol.com  Wed Sep 17 10:45:23 2008
From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:45:23 EDT
Subject: [Coco] Color Burner
Message-ID: <cf2.400dddd7.36027203@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/17/2008 10:15:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
georgeramsower at gmail.com writes:

Sunday,  while looking for stuff when I was trying to repair my CNC coco, I
ran  across a box with some coco plugin cards. Among them was a PROM burner
that  I bought back about '85 or so.

Does anyone have the docs on this board?  On the board it gives credit to D.
Kitsz.



I have the complete docs for it George.  Give me some time
to photo copy them and I will send it to you.....
 
Roy
 



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From bear at bears.org  Wed Sep 17 10:49:56 2008
From: bear at bears.org (Gary)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:49:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] coco Part
In-Reply-To: <007801c918b6$a9d087a0$fd7196e0$@com>
References: <20080916.232138.560.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
	<48D09036.3080508@cox.net> <007801c918b6$a9d087a0$fd7196e0$@com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809171048120.20416@ferocity.bears.org>

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Tom Seagrove wrote:

> original but it was sacrificed for the greater good and the schematic from
> that hack showed up in the Rainbow eventually.  I received back a "copy"

Anyone know if that schematic around anywhere in the archives online? 
I've always wondered how it worked.  My copy of Max-10 passed away, with 
time and heat, in my parent's attic.  (Although I've still got quite a few 
files in Max-10 format -- I probably should write a converter to RTF 
sometime)

Thanks!

Peace,
Gary



From kb8wvn at msn.com  Wed Sep 17 11:17:57 2008
From: kb8wvn at msn.com (MICHAEL S CORSER)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:17:57 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mikeyterm
References: <735015.52748.qm@web56607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-DAV9A773B35E1FED2D06C9609B4C0@phx.gbl>

what is RTSI thanks
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Ortloff<mailto:underserf at yahoo.com> 
  To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com<mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Color Computer] mikeyterm


        Both  RTSI & ftp.maltedmedia.com<ftp://ftp.maltedmedia.com/> have that and lots of others

        =M0=


        --- On Tue, 9/16/08, herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com<mailto:kb8wvn at msn.com>> wrote:

          From: herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com<mailto:kb8wvn at msn.com>>
          Subject: [Color Computer] mikeyterm
          To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com<mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com>
          Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:04 PM


          does anyone have a copy of mikeyterm they could send me
          thanks


       



   


From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 17 11:40:01 2008
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:40:01 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <20080914174309.48A0E20A35@qs281.pair.com>
References: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev>
	<48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>
	<20080914174309.48A0E20A35@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <48D124D1.9010200@embarqmail.com>

Roger Taylor wrote:
> At 07:08 PM 9/13/2008, you wrote:
>> The power went off here in Todd Mission at 12;45 last night,it is 
>> 6:45 and still not back on.. Talk is 2 to 3 weeks!!!!!
>>
>>
>> We lost 1 tree. Another place on the street had a hole punched in the 
>> top of his PU camper.
>>
>> Renaissance  Festival main office had back roof blown off. Drove into 
>> Magnolia this afternoon and all places were without power. Several 
>> trees down along highway, none across.
>
> Magnolia Arkansas, or Tx?  I have "ex" family in Ar.
Todd Mission Texas
On 1774 between Plantersville and Magnolia. Fifty miles northwest of 
downtown Houston. Population 65 during the summer, 6000 in October and 
November and 275 the rest of the year.

This is Wednesday and I am still  without power.  This report is powered 
by a generator.


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 11:49:02 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:49:02 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-DAV9A773B35E1FED2D06C9609B4C0@phx.gbl>
References: <735015.52748.qm@web56607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<BAY111-DAV9A773B35E1FED2D06C9609B4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <93f331ac0809170849q472aa960j35a27a9bf2ca184f@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.rtsi.com/wwa.html

Neil

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 8:17 AM, MICHAEL S CORSER <kb8wvn at msn.com> wrote:
> what is RTSI thanks


From benbleau at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 11:51:22 2008
From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:51:22 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-DAV9A773B35E1FED2D06C9609B4C0@phx.gbl>
References: <735015.52748.qm@web56607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<BAY111-DAV9A773B35E1FED2D06C9609B4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48D1277A.8040902@gmail.com>

MICHAEL S CORSER wrote:
> what is RTSI thanks
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>
>   

Here you go:   ftp://www.rtsi.com/RSDOS/  and ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9

-Benoit


From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 12:16:18 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:16:18 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <48D03706.5010405@cox.net>
References: <20080916.155951.2396.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
	<48D03706.5010405@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV1F44FDE3D6665D4939020C84C0@phx.gbl>

Questioned asked was: How do I use PC DOS to copy files onto a CoCo
formatted 5.25 disk?

I haven't found a way yet to do this directly in one step.  If anyone else
knows, please share.  What I do is image the this
With the RETRIEVE DOS CoCo utility, then use the companion utility, PORT, to
insert files into the image (or extract depending on situation) then DISKINI
the image back to diskette.  Yes, a couple of extra steps, but not too
tedious to me.


-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Fadden
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:45 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS

If you are making a cable, yes you need to swap the send and receive.  
Do a google search for NULL modem cable.  There are many variaties you 
can make.  Yo can probably get buy with the simplest and use xon-xoff  
flow control. If you need hardware flow controle, you will need a full 
blown null modem cable.  You can purchase null modem adapters, and 
cables most anywhere.  these work great for this. That would probably be 
best.


John T Chasteen wrote:
> With the serial cable, do I have to switch the send anf receive leads on
> one end?
>
> John
>  
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:59:16 -0400 <t.fadden at cox.net> writes:
>   
>> If you can't find the utility to make rsdos disks from pc dos you 
>> could do this.
>>
>> 1. connect pc to coco via serial connection start com program on pc, 
>> and com program on coco. 
>>
>> 2. Make sure the communication paramaters are the same, use 
>> null-modem cable, etc. What you type on one should show up on the 
>> other.
>>
>> 3. start sending the file on the pc, and start receiving on the 
>> coco. 
>>
>> I do something similar with os9 successfully. I haven't used an 
>> rsdos com program, but I would assume that it writes the downloaded 
>> file to disk.  Search of a pc com program that does xmodem, ymodem, 
>> or zmodem or all three.  At least one of these should be available 
>> with the rsdos com program.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Michael Robinson <deemcr at robinson-west.com> wrote: 
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:22 -0700, Bill Barnes wrote:
>>     
>>> I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the 
>>>       
>> CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.
>>     
>>> I also know there were some programs for the PC (DOS) That allowed 
>>>       
>> reading and writing of a CoCo disk... Guess I'll hafta dig around my 
>> disks and pray that they are readable (and hope I didnt lose it so I 
>> can get the name of it for you.
>>
>> MESS had an image tool that allowed me to copy the files from the
>> drivewire.dsk image to my hard drive on my PC.  Trouble is, how do
>> I copy these files to a COCO formatted 5.25" disk?
>>
>>
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From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Wed Sep 17 12:19:15 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:19:15 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Drive Wire 2.0
Message-ID: <20080917.111915.3056.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

Good Morning Coco Folks

I just cancelled the call to the city police.
I just found my DriveWire bag of goodies.
The 4th day of searching finally paid off.
Now I can learn how to transfer .dsk files
to my coco3.

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From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 12:29:43 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <1221094443.11647.11.camel@dev>
References: <8249c4ac0809101305x525e68dbhae84a927f825e399@mail.gmail.com>	<200809101756.51355.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<1221094443.11647.11.camel@dev>
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV915A87B152D1399931AAFC84C0@phx.gbl>

I have Hitachi 683B09EP in my CoCo 2.  I also have a sleeve of 9 spares :)
- Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Chuck Youse
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:54 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309

On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 17:56 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Tony Cappellini wrote:
> >Are there any people using 6309's inside their physical (not virtual)
> >Coco's?
> >
> Sure.  I've had one in my coco3 for well over a decade now, works fine,
power 
> draw is 0.00zilch too.

It's amazing how little CMOS will draw at < 2MHz ;)

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From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com  Wed Sep 17 12:43:14 2008
From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:43:14 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Hard Copy Magazine
Message-ID: <20080917.114314.3056.3.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>

During my recent search, I found some "Computer Friends Disk Magazine"
( CFDM) disk. Is there an archive of the Hard Copy documentation?

Thanks for your help.

John
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From rbihler at msn.com  Wed Sep 17 12:45:40 2008
From: rbihler at msn.com (RON BIHLER)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:45:40 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
Message-ID: <BAY118-W169A67553F5094CED163DAF4C0@phx.gbl>


I once had a DOS utility that would read and write Coco disk directly.  You did need to format the disk on the Coco, as I recall it think it even worked on a HD MSDOS drive, but that was a long time ago.  
I am sure it worked with rsdos formatted disk, and I remember something about another utility to read the rsdos disk under os9. 
Maybe something like Cocodisk or cocoutil, something like that?  It was a dos program, prior to windows so it was all dos driven. 
 
I remember I would download files on the messydos system as the term programs seemed to work better at 9600 baud and then I would transfer them over to coco disk all on the messydos system. 
 
Unfortunately I don't have any of the software from that day. 
 
Ron Bihler
 
 
    > From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com> To: coco at maltedmedia.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:16:18 -0500> Subject: Re: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS> > Questioned asked was: How do I use PC DOS to copy files onto a CoCo> formatted 5.25 disk?> > I haven't found a way yet to do this directly in one step. If anyone else> knows, please share. What I do is image the this> With the RETRIEVE DOS CoCo utility, then use the companion utility, PORT, to> insert files into the image (or extract depending on situation) then DISKINI> the image back to diskette. Yes, a couple of extra steps, but not too> tedious to me.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On> Behalf Of Tim Fadden> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:45 PM> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts> Subject: Re: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS> > If you are making a cable, yes you need to swap the send and receive. > Do a google search for NULL modem cable. There are many variaties you > can make. Yo can probably get buy with the simplest and use xon-xoff > flow control. If you need hardware flow controle, you will need a full > blown null modem cable. You can purchase null modem adapters, and > cables most anywhere. these work great for this. That would probably be > best.> > > John T Chasteen wrote:> > With the serial cable, do I have to switch the send anf receive leads on> > one end?> >> > John> > > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:59:16 -0400 <t.fadden at cox.net> writes:> > > >> If you can't find the utility to make rsdos disks from pc dos you > >> could do this.> >>> >> 1. connect pc to coco via serial connection start com program on pc, > >> and com program on coco. > >>> >> 2. Make sure the communication paramaters are the same, use > >> null-modem cable, etc. What you type on one should show up on the > >> other.> >>> >> 3. start sending the file on the pc, and start receiving on the > >> coco. > >>> >> I do something similar with os9 successfully. I haven't used an > >> rsdos com program, but I would assume that it writes the downloaded > >> file to disk. Search of a pc com program that does xmodem, ymodem, > >> or zmodem or all three. At least one of these should be available > >> with the rsdos com program.> >>> >>> >>> >> ---- Michael Robinson <deemcr at robinson-west.com> wrote: > >>> >> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:22 -0700, Bill Barnes wrote:> >> > >>> I seem to remember there was a program that was written for the > >>> > >> CoCo that allowed the reading and writing of a 40ss 5.25" Floppy.> >> > >>> I also know there were some programs for the PC (DOS) That allowed > >>> > >> reading and writing of a CoCo disk... Guess I'll hafta dig around my > >> disks and pray that they are readable (and hope I didnt lose it so I > >> can get the name of it for you.> >>> >> MESS had an image tool that allowed me to copy the files from the> >> drivewire.dsk image to my hard drive on my PC. Trouble is, how do> >> I copy these files to a COCO formatted 5.25" disk?> >>> >>> >> --> >> Coco mailing list> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco> >>> >>> >> --> >> Coco mailing list> >> Coco at maltedmedia.com> >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco> >>> >>> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________> > Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here.> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m276BZo2EpiUpXaJmg1Ysyn7N> dtk0qP6sevDe4DOerknl0N/> >> > --> > Coco mailing list> > Coco at maltedmedia.com> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco> >> > > > > --> Coco mailing list> Coco at maltedmedia.com> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco> > > --> Coco mailing list> Coco at maltedmedia.com> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

From coconut at pritchard.ca  Wed Sep 17 13:07:21 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:07:21 -0500
Subject: [Coco] STATUS - Re: Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a
	26-3029 FDC.
In-Reply-To: <48D10F21.9020503@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809121738490.9713-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<C3F6CE94-18FA-4B48-BC08-FCC5928030D4@pritchard.ca>
	<48D10F21.9020503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60809171007j47b66dd3x72a47dc7019ddef2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Benoit,

I had discovered that information this morning too.  I suspected as much
because the drive only went to the middle of the opening on the diskette.
The cool thing is I have the Teac documentation for this drive.   I found it
in one of the Gimix binders I have.  There is actually a jumper to set the
drive to 48tpi mode.  I doubt I will care about that ability in my
situation.  At least not until I get another FDD working on the CoCo.  I
don't plan on canibalizing the Gimix machines, this was a spare drive in
with my stuff.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Benoit Bleau <benbleau at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>
>> I have success with formatting a diskette with the CoCo.
>>
>> This confirms my cable and drive controller are working correctly.  I
>> lucked out and found what looks to have been a never used Teac FD-55F-03-U
>> in with the two Gimix systems I had dug out of storage in my moms basement
>> ;).
>>
>> Ran DSKINI1 and the drive chugged away, to the middle of the opening on
>> the diskette.  Head reset back to track 0 and then verified the format.
>>
>>
> Ryan,
> The FD-55F-03-U are 96tpi drives, or better know as double-sided 80 track
> drives.  You will be able to use them with an unmodified coco controller,
> but won't be able to read/write standard 48tpi drives ( the regular 35 or 40
> tracks)
>
> With Nitros9 or OS9 you can use the full capacity of the drives by
> modifying the device descriptors.
>
> -Benoit
>
>
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From tlindner at macmess.org  Wed Sep 17 13:19:29 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:19:29 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Hard Copy Magazine
In-Reply-To: <20080917.114314.3056.3.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1ineq02.7abe9wgx9c74M%tlindner@macmess.org>

John T Chasteen <johnchasteen.2 at juno.com> wrote:

> During my recent search, I found some "Computer Friends Disk Magazine"
> ( CFDM) disk. Is there an archive of the Hard Copy documentation?

http://www.vavasour.ca/cfdm/

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 13:21:21 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:21:21 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Creating a Coco Floppy in DOS
In-Reply-To: <BAY118-W169A67553F5094CED163DAF4C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY118-W169A67553F5094CED163DAF4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809171021u25f3d0b5v53057f0e623787a3@mail.gmail.com>

For DOS and Windows 9x systems, there is DSKINI.EXE.
For Windows 2000 / XP / Vista systems there is FdRawcmd / CoCoDisk.
For Linux there is fdutils.

You can find links to all of these on the Nitros9 site:
<http://www.nitros9.org/howto.html#dsk>

Sadly, there is nothing for Macs unless you can obtain a CatWeasel.

------------------------
On 9/17/08, RON BIHLER wrote:
>
> I once had a DOS utility that would read and write Coco disk directly.  You
> did need to format the disk on the Coco, as I recall it think it even worked
> on a HD MSDOS drive, but that was a long time ago.
> I am sure it worked with rsdos formatted disk, and I remember something
> about another utility to read the rsdos disk under os9.
> Maybe something like Cocodisk or cocoutil, something like that?  It was a
> dos program, prior to windows so it was all dos driven.
>
> I remember I would download files on the messydos system as the term
> programs seemed to work better at 9600 baud and then I would transfer them
> over to coco disk all on the messydos system.
>
> Unfortunately I don't have any of the software from that day.
>
> Ron Bihler


From rod.barnhart at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 13:33:50 2008
From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <48D124D1.9010200@embarqmail.com>
References: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev> <48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>
	<20080914174309.48A0E20A35@qs281.pair.com>
	<48D124D1.9010200@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0809171033h246f290y6a6a661bc1d41962@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Dave Kelly <daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Todd Mission Texas
> On 1774 between Plantersville and Magnolia. Fifty miles northwest of
> downtown Houston. Population 65 during the summer, 6000 in October and
> November and 275 the rest of the year.
>
> This is Wednesday and I am still  without power.  This report is powered by
> a generator.

Hope you have your power restored soon! And I hope everyone came
through the storms OK. Ohio was hit pretty hard by windstorms
(equivalent to category 1 hurricane winds), and there were widespread
power outages. I was lucky enough to live in one of the few homes in
Lancaster, OH, (20-ish miles SE of Columbus) that didn't lose power. I
lost a section of privacy fence and some shingles on my garage, but
overall I came out fine. Parts of Lancaster and Columbus are still
without power and aren't expecting it back on until Monday or so. Our
power company had sent most of their crews to help restore power in
Texas by the time the wind blew through on Sunday, but they were
recalled (and the workforce is doubled via contractors) and are
working 16-on, 8-off shifts to get everything restored here.

Rod


From tlindner at macmess.org  Wed Sep 17 13:21:23 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:21:23 -0700
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-DAV915A87B152D1399931AAFC84C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1ineq11.flokjkf0jge8M%tlindner@macmess.org>

Chad H <chadbh74 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have Hitachi 683B09EP in my CoCo 2.  I also have a sleeve of 9 spares :)

Chad, That's fantastic!

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 17 15:17:14 2008
From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0809171033h246f290y6a6a661bc1d41962@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84670.50529.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<1221340799.11647.83.camel@dev>
	<48CC55F5.3050405@embarqmail.com>	<20080914174309.48A0E20A35@qs281.pair.com>	<48D124D1.9010200@embarqmail.com>
	<6cd9b02e0809171033h246f290y6a6a661bc1d41962@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D157BA.1090709@embarqmail.com>

Rod Barnhart wrote:
>
> Hope you have your power restored soon! And I hope everyone came
> through the storms OK. Ohio was hit pretty hard by windstorms
> (equivalent to category 1 hurricane winds), and there were widespread
> power outages. I was lucky enough to live in one of the few homes in
> Lancaster, OH, (20-ish miles SE of Columbus) that didn't lose power. I
> lost a section of privacy fence and some shingles on my garage, but
> overall I came out fine. Parts of Lancaster and Columbus are still
> without power and aren't expecting it back on until Monday or so. Our
> power company had sent most of their crews to help restore power in
> Texas by the time the wind blew through on Sunday, but they were
> recalled (and the workforce is doubled via contractors) and are
> working 16-on, 8-off shifts to get everything restored here.
>   
Power came back on at 1:30.

I don't know if the pictures that I saw in the  Houston
chronicle got up your way or not.

The town of  Gilcrest on the Bolivar point across the bay from
Galveston was wiped clean. Entire town nothing but slabs left.
EXCEPT for this one red and white new house looks as if it had been 
built after the  storm  passed thru.  A good example of building by the 
building codes.

Lots of people on the coast have lost land. The State of Texas has an 
open  beach law. Every thing from the natural grass line to the water is 
publicly owned. The wind and wave action in a storm of this magnitude 
can drastically alter the shore line. What was a house built on stilts 
and 200 feet from the waters edge and 150 behind the grass line may now 
be a set of stilts at the water line or even off shore a ways. Unless 
they have land behind the grass line they can not rebuild.


From deemcr at robinson-west.com  Wed Sep 17 17:43:01 2008
From: deemcr at robinson-west.com (Michael Robinson)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:43:01 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
Message-ID: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>

My 360k drives are faulty.  I looked on ebay, all I could find were DSDD
drives.  I can't use DSDD drives can I?  My controller says hard drive
specialists on it, it only controls disk drives.  Two of the drives
looked a lot like the ones I have, full height black with red led.
None of the drives come with an external enclosure or a coco compatible
floppy cable.  The cable I need has to be non keyed on the controller
end.  I think one of my drives came out of a model III and the other
is a TRS80 mini disk.



From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 18:09:08 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:09:08 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
Message-ID: <5C73F4D8686E47B7AB98932F1A205F1A@NewBaby>

Yup, they're good. It's the HD drives (1.2 Mb) you can't use.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Robinson" <deemcr at robinson-west.com>

> My 360k drives are faulty.  I looked on ebay, all I could find were DSDD
> drives.  I can't use DSDD drives can I?  My controller says hard drive
> specialists on it, it only controls disk drives.  Two of the drives
> looked a lot like the ones I have, full height black with red led.
> None of the drives come with an external enclosure or a coco compatible
> floppy cable.  The cable I need has to be non keyed on the controller
> end.  I think one of my drives came out of a model III and the other
> is a TRS80 mini disk.



From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Wed Sep 17 18:15:03 2008
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:15:03 +0100
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
Message-ID: <48D18167.6080704@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Michael Robinson wrote:
> My 360k drives are faulty.  I looked on ebay, all I could find were DSDD
> drives.  I can't use DSDD drives can I?  

Depends, DSDD i Double sided, Double density, so they should be able to 
be used cirtainly with a standard RS or Dragon dos controler. What may 
be an issue is if they are 80 track drives and your disks are 40 track 
(as I would expect if they are 360K), as the standard doeses have no 
facility for double stepping.

>					My controller says hard drive
> specialists on it, it only controls disk drives. 

Humm not heard of that one :)

>						 Two of the drives
> looked a lot like the ones I have, full height black with red led.

Sounds like the original IBM PC drives, and a little like Apple 2 drives 
which are defo not compatible (The Apple drives that is).

> None of the drives come with an external enclosure or a coco compatible
> floppy cable.  The cable I need has to be non keyed on the controller
> end.  I think one of my drives came out of a model III and the other
> is a TRS80 mini disk.

Something else to considder, unless you have a whole bunch of 5.25" 
disks, is that it's perfectly possible to use standard PC 1.44M 3.5" 
drives with the correct cable, as long as you always use 720K media.

Cheers.

Phill.

-- 
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.


From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 18:51:18 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:51:18 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
Message-ID: <2AFE637E-3E81-431F-9BE8-D14BD06E2F1C@gmail.com>

On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Michael Robinson wrote:
> My 360k drives are faulty.  I looked on ebay, all I could find were  
> DSDD
> drives.  I can't use DSDD drives can I?

DSDD floppy drives are the 360k models you require.  Do not buy a 5  
1/4" HD 1.2M drive; this won't work with a CoCo.  I use Panasonic  
JU-455-5 drives with my CoCo.  For example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Panasonic-5-1-4-Floppy-Disk-Drive-Pair-5-25-Matsushita_W0QQitemZ230291796517QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230291796517&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Panasonic-JU-455-5AAB-5-25-Internal-Floppy-Matsushita_W0QQitemZ170197648771QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170197648771&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Note that these drives do not have a built-in terminator+jumper,  
required for the last drive on your floppy cable.  Depending on your  
luck, the drive may come with the resistor pack (you may want to  
ask).  If not, you'll need to buy one from an electronics store (e.g.  
mouser.com).  I believe the part type you'd be looking for is a 4114- 
R-1-151.


> My controller says hard drive specialists on it, it only controls  
> disk drives.

This is the floppy disk controller I use.  Gold contacts and two EPROM  
sockets, one 24-pin and one 28-pin.  The active ROM is selected using  
jumpers on the PCB.

I've never needed a keyed or twisted cable for any of the floppy  
drives I've purchased.  You just have to take care to plug the card  
edge connector in the right way around!


-- JP



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 18:54:04 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:54:04 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809171554v440bb6a3o77e072d5b87cdcf5@mail.gmail.com>

If the two eBay items you are referring to are:

1. Texas P. DSDD 360K Full Height 5.25" Floppy Disk Drive
2. IBM PC / XT Replacement full-height Diskette Drive

...then yes, either of those should work fine. You would just need to
make sure the Drive Select jumpers are set properly and that the
termination resistor pack is installed only in the last drive on the
cable.

Darren

---------------
On 9/17/08, Michael Robinson wrote:
> My 360k drives are faulty.  I looked on ebay, all I could find were DSDD
> drives.  I can't use DSDD drives can I?  My controller says hard drive
> specialists on it, it only controls disk drives.  Two of the drives
> looked a lot like the ones I have, full height black with red led.
> None of the drives come with an external enclosure or a coco compatible
> floppy cable.  The cable I need has to be non keyed on the controller
> end.  I think one of my drives came out of a model III and the other
> is a TRS80 mini disk.
>


From operator at coco3.com  Wed Sep 17 19:29:40 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:29:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
References: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080917233017.A3C6720A3E@qs281.pair.com>

At 04:14 PM 9/16/2008, you wrote:
>Not legally...
>
>Al


That software has Long been freely available from as far back as the 
BBS-only days.





From tjseagrove at writeme.com  Wed Sep 17 19:39:40 2008
From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:39:40 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco Part
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0809171048120.20416@ferocity.bears.org>
References: <20080916.232138.560.2.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com>	<48D09036.3080508@cox.net>
	<007801c918b6$a9d087a0$fd7196e0$@com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.00.0809171048120.20416@ferocity.bears.org>
Message-ID: <00b901c9191e$a80171b0$f8045510$@com>

It appeared in the Rainbow, not sure what issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:50 AM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] coco Part

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Tom Seagrove wrote:

> original but it was sacrificed for the greater good and the schematic from
> that hack showed up in the Rainbow eventually.  I received back a "copy"

Anyone know if that schematic around anywhere in the archives online? 
I've always wondered how it worked.  My copy of Max-10 passed away, with 
time and heat, in my parent's attic.  (Although I've still got quite a few 
files in Max-10 format -- I probably should write a converter to RTF 
sometime)

Thanks!

Peace,
Gary


--
Coco mailing list
Coco at maltedmedia.com
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/16/2008
8:15 AM



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Wed Sep 17 21:25:50 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:25:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
Message-ID: <200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Michael Robinson wrote:
>My 360k drives are faulty.  I looked on ebay, all I could find were DSDD
>drives.  I can't use DSDD drives can I?

Sure, the coco doesn't know the difference.  You may have to fiddle with 
jumpers though.

>My controller says hard drive 
>specialists on it, it only controls disk drives.

That controller MAY have a Fujitsu 8877 FDC chip in it.  This chip is one of 
the few that can be used at 500 kilobaud data rates, allowing DSDD floppy 
drives to be used at 1440 kilobyte size.

>Two of the drives 
>looked a lot like the ones I have, full height black with red led.
>None of the drives come with an external enclosure or a coco compatible
>floppy cable.  The cable I need has to be non keyed on the controller
>end.  I think one of my drives came out of a model III and the other
>is a TRS80 mini disk.
>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Favorite Windows game: "Guess what this icon does?"


From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 21:34:21 2008
From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:34:21 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
	<200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7D310D88-4EA4-4D41-8FCF-41551709F85D@gmail.com>

On Sep 17, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Michael Robinson wrote:
>> My controller says hard drive
>> specialists on it, it only controls disk drives.
>
> That controller MAY have a Fujitsu 8877 FDC chip in it.  This chip  
> is one of
> the few that can be used at 500 kilobaud data rates, allowing DSDD  
> floppy
> drives to be used at 1440 kilobyte size.

My HDS controller has a WD1773 in it.

-- JP



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Wed Sep 17 21:43:59 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:43:59 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
	<200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1221702239.8052.3.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 21:25 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> 
> That controller MAY have a Fujitsu 8877 FDC chip in it.  This chip is one of 
> the few that can be used at 500 kilobaud data rates, allowing DSDD floppy 
> drives to be used at 1440 kilobyte size.

Am I missing something?  Double-sided double-density 5.25" drives are
360K, no?

C.




From jcewy at swbell.net  Wed Sep 17 21:49:50 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:49:50 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <48D18167.6080704@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
	<48D18167.6080704@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <48D1B3BE.4000701@swbell.net>

Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
> Michael Robinson wrote:
>> My 360k drives are faulty.  I looked on ebay, all I could find were DSDD
>> drives.  I can't use DSDD drives can I?  
> ...
> Something else to considder, unless you have a whole bunch of 5.25"
> disks, is that it's perfectly possible to use standard PC 1.44M 3.5"
> drives with the correct cable, as long as you always use 720K media.
>
I've been using 1.44M 3.5" drives on my CoCo for 12 years or more.  If
you can still find 720K disks they work great for copying data and disk
images from modern PCs.  I sometimes get boxes of old, used floppy
disks, mostly HD, but peppered here and there with 720K disks that can
be re-formatted.  I often see them sitting on shelves collecting dust at
places where I do computer work.  More often than not, no current
employee can even remember the last time they were used and they're mine
for the asking.

I recently took home a large box of floppy disks (along with hundreds of
pounds of discarded computer equipment from a Tandy 1000HX to G3 iMacs
to Athlon XP 2000+ motherboards) from my old college.  In the box I
found 6 or 8 low density 3.5" disks formatted to 800K for Macintosh,
about as many 720K DOS disks, and about 8 that appear never to have been
formatted.

Sometimes CD-ROM and other device drivers came on 720K disks.  I have
one here that has a Flash ROM utility for an old Pentium motherboard. 
It looks like the label will peel up pretty easily, so I plan on
transferring the contents to a HD floppy and using the 720K disk on a
classic computer like the Amiga or CoCo where it can do some real good. 
The 720K disks are pretty easy to pick out among 1.44M disks because
they have only the write-protect hole on the top.

With a patched disk ROM or a few POKEs you can format and use the back
side, and in OS-9 they format to 720K, which is really nice.  I've
always wondered how hard it would be to patch Disk BASIC to add a fixed
track offset for a given drive number, so you could have 4 35-40 track
file systems on a single 720K disk.  For instance, you could have drives
0 and 1 as physical drive 0, side 0; drive 1, side 0 in a 2 drive
system.  Drives 2 and 3 are physical drive 0, side 1, drive 1, side 1. 
This is how I have my drives now.  Then drive 4 could be physical drive
0, side 0, track 40+, etc.  I guess that calls for some investigation in
Disk BASIC Unravelled.

Finally, Chuck Youse has designed a high density disk controller for the
CoCo.  At this point I think he's only got drivers for (Nitr)OS-9.  But
the possibility of using 1.44M floppy disks on the CoCo is distinct.

JCE
> Cheers.
>
> Phill.
>



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Wed Sep 17 22:02:42 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:02:42 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <1221702239.8052.3.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
	<200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<1221702239.8052.3.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
>On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 21:25 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> That controller MAY have a Fujitsu 8877 FDC chip in it.  This chip is one
>> of the few that can be used at 500 kilobaud data rates, allowing DSDD
>> floppy drives to be used at 1440 kilobyte size.
>
>Am I missing something?  Double-sided double-density 5.25" drives are
>360K, no?
>
If set for 40 tracks, double sided in the os9 descriptor then yes.  But I 
believe that chip can have the high speed data rate hack applied, which means 
the nearest $25 3.5" 1.44 meg drive with HD diskettes can be used in it.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
The odds are a million to one against your being one in a million.


From alhartman at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 17 22:08:43 2008
From: alhartman at yahoo.com (Al Hartman)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:08:43 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
Message-ID: <48D1B82B.5090704@yahoo.com>

Copyright doesn't expire that quickly. Having worked for two of the 
compaines that licensed MikeyTerm (Spectrum Projects and Zebra Systems, 
Inc.), you'd have to have gotten their approval as licensors of the 
software to release it.

Bob Rosen doesn't give anyone anything for free...

Al


From chazbeenhad at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 22:25:36 2008
From: chazbeenhad at hotmail.com (Charlie)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re:mikeyterm
References: <48D021A1.5060005@yahoo.com>
	<813158.91923.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gase78$lo6$1@ger.gmane.org>


"Derek" <dml_68 at yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:813158.91923.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com...
> Way to be helpful...
>

Exactly what I was thinking.

Charlie





From shadow at shadowgard.com  Thu Sep 18 00:01:16 2008
From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:01:16 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D1B82B.5090704@yahoo.com>
References: <48D1B82B.5090704@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48D1701C.22893.CBC3B91@shadow.shadowgard.com>

On 17 Sep 2008 at 22:08, Al Hartman wrote:

> Copyright doesn't expire that quickly.

Yep. In fact given when the term was changed, *no* personal computer 
software copyright is going to expire (in the US at least) before 
2025. Might even be 2050.

Term is either 50 or 75 years for copyright not owned by the author 
(I forget which). Thus nothing written after 1975 would expire before 
the years I gave above.

For stuff where the author has the copyrigt, the clock doesn't start 
until the author *dies*.

so unless the author has placed the software in the public domain, 
you are violatimng copyright unless you have his permission.

Oh yeah, if someone *other* than the author say it's in the public 
domain and you distribute it, relying on their advice and they are 
wrong, you are still legally liable for the infringement.


--
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com




From mechacoco at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 00:38:52 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:38:52 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
	<200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<1221702239.8052.3.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
	<200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809172138i481cbcecp949c046a7f2344fc@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/17/08, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
>>Am I missing something?  Double-sided double-density 5.25" drives are
>>360K, no?
>>
> If set for 40 tracks, double sided in the os9 descriptor then yes.  But I
> believe that chip can have the high speed data rate hack applied, which
> means
> the nearest $25 3.5" 1.44 meg drive with HD diskettes can be used in it.
>
---

A high density mod using the MB8877A has been done by one of the
members of this list. It's somewhat more complicated than just
attaching an HD drive. He used the early version of Tandy's 26-3029
controller, some of which had a WD1793 while others came with the
MB8877A. He still has the information and photos up on his web site:

<http://www.doki-doki.net/~lamune/computers/coco/hd-floppy/>

Darren


From afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk  Thu Sep 18 03:04:20 2008
From: afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk (Phill Harvey-Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:04:20 +0100
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>	<200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<1221702239.8052.3.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
	<200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <48D1FD74.9010402@aurigae.demon.co.uk>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
>> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 21:25 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> That controller MAY have a Fujitsu 8877 FDC chip in it.  This chip is one
>>> of the few that can be used at 500 kilobaud data rates, allowing DSDD
>>> floppy drives to be used at 1440 kilobyte size.
>> Am I missing something?  Double-sided double-density 5.25" drives are
>> 360K, no?
>>
> If set for 40 tracks, double sided in the os9 descriptor then yes. 

<pedantic mode>
Or 80 track single sided.....as IIRC some early Atari ST machines used, 
at least here in the UK.
</pedantic>

>                                                                But I 
> believe that chip can have the high speed data rate hack applied, which means 
> the nearest $25 3.5" 1.44 meg drive with HD diskettes can be used in it.

But then wouldn't that be DSHD ? Double sided, High density ? Was this 
what was sometimes refered to as Quad density, or was that 80 tracks as 
opposed to 40 ?

Cheers,

Phill.




From flexser at fiu.edu  Thu Sep 18 05:36:50 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:36:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D1B82B.5090704@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809180527530.17530-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

This is baloney.  Mike Ward, the author, retained all rights to it, and he
permitted it to be freely distributed.  If Spectrum and/or Zebra asked Mike if
they could distribute it for the cost of media and shipping, I'm sure he said
okay, but that doesn't mean that either of them bought or possessed rights to it
or can inhibit its free distribution.  As Mike expressed it to me, the only
reason he didn't release it to the public domain was that he wanted to be able
to prevent others from being able to sell it at a profit.

Art

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Al Hartman wrote:

> Copyright doesn't expire that quickly. Having worked for two of the 
> compaines that licensed MikeyTerm (Spectrum Projects and Zebra Systems, 
> Inc.), you'd have to have gotten their approval as licensors of the 
> software to release it.
> 
> Bob Rosen doesn't give anyone anything for free...
> 
> Al



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Sep 18 06:06:51 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:06:51 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0809172138i481cbcecp949c046a7f2344fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
	<200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<5d802cd0809172138i481cbcecp949c046a7f2344fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809180606.51181.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 18 September 2008, Darren A wrote:
>On 9/17/08, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
>>>Am I missing something?  Double-sided double-density 5.25" drives are
>>>360K, no?
>>
>> If set for 40 tracks, double sided in the os9 descriptor then yes.  But I
>> believe that chip can have the high speed data rate hack applied, which
>> means
>> the nearest $25 3.5" 1.44 meg drive with HD diskettes can be used in it.
>
>---
>
>A high density mod using the MB8877A has been done by one of the
>members of this list. It's somewhat more complicated than just
>attaching an HD drive. He used the early version of Tandy's 26-3029
>controller, some of which had a WD1793 while others came with the
>MB8877A. He still has the information and photos up on his web site:
>
><http://www.doki-doki.net/~lamune/computers/coco/hd-floppy/>
>
>Darren
>
Yes, I believe that's the one, and of course such info can always use the 
publicity.  Thanks Darren.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Faster, faster, you fool, you fool!
		-- Bill Cosby


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Sep 18 06:14:20 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:14:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <48D1FD74.9010402@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
	<200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<48D1FD74.9010402@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200809180614.20674.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 18 September 2008, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 21:25 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>> That controller MAY have a Fujitsu 8877 FDC chip in it.  This chip is
>>>> one of the few that can be used at 500 kilobaud data rates, allowing
>>>> DSDD floppy drives to be used at 1440 kilobyte size.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?  Double-sided double-density 5.25" drives are
>>> 360K, no?
>>
>> If set for 40 tracks, double sided in the os9 descriptor then yes.
>
><pedantic mode>
>Or 80 track single sided.....as IIRC some early Atari ST machines used,
>at least here in the UK.
></pedantic>
>
>>                                                                But I
>> believe that chip can have the high speed data rate hack applied, which
>> means the nearest $25 3.5" 1.44 meg drive with HD diskettes can be used in
>> it.
>
>But then wouldn't that be DSHD ? Double sided, High density ? Was this
>what was sometimes refered to as Quad density, or was that 80 tracks as
>opposed to 40 ?
>
I *think* the quad density stuff, short lived, would have been the 1 megabaud 
2.88 meg 3.5 format, although I have a box of QD 5.25 disks as well.  I used 
them as 720k disks but I think they were intended for the 2.4 meg version of 
the drives such as the Teac 55-G family, which would have been a 1 megabaud 
data rate version of the 360 rpm 80 track DS disk, normally recorded at 500 
kilobaud.
 
>Cheers,
>
>Phill.
>
>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Help Microsoft stamp out piracy. Give Linux to a friend today!

   -- From a Slashdot.org post


From games at ameliasarcade.com  Thu Sep 18 07:29:50 2008
From: games at ameliasarcade.com (games at ameliasarcade.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:29:50 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
Message-ID: <20080918042950.1ae7798ab0ba05c8320885d358bd94a0.505937121f.wbe@email.secureserver.net>



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 08:30:39 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:30:39 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <48D1FD74.9010402@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>
	<200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<1221702239.8052.3.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
	<200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<48D1FD74.9010402@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1221741039.8052.8.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 08:04 +0100, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 21:25 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> That controller MAY have a Fujitsu 8877 FDC chip in it.  This chip is one
> >>> of the few that can be used at 500 kilobaud data rates, allowing DSDD
> >>> floppy drives to be used at 1440 kilobyte size.
> >> Am I missing something?  Double-sided double-density 5.25" drives are
> >> 360K, no?
> >>
> > If set for 40 tracks, double sided in the os9 descriptor then yes. 
> 
> <pedantic mode>
> Or 80 track single sided.....as IIRC some early Atari ST machines used, 
> at least here in the UK.
> </pedantic>
> 
> >                                                                But I 
> > believe that chip can have the high speed data rate hack applied, which means 
> > the nearest $25 3.5" 1.44 meg drive with HD diskettes can be used in it.
> 
> But then wouldn't that be DSHD ? Double sided, High density ? Was this 
> what was sometimes refered to as Quad density, or was that 80 tracks as 
> opposed to 40 ?

"Quad density" (a misnomer, of course) 5.25" drives were 80 tracks,
double-density.  720K per diskette.. not too common, but I remember the
Tandy 2000 had 'em.

C.




From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep 18 09:34:58 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:34:58 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
In-Reply-To: <1221741039.8052.8.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>	<200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<1221702239.8052.3.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>	<200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<48D1FD74.9010402@aurigae.demon.co.uk>
	<1221741039.8052.8.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <48D25902.7000201@swbell.net>

Chuck Youse wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 08:04 +0100, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
>   
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>>     
>>> On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Chuck Youse wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 21:25 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> That controller MAY have a Fujitsu 8877 FDC chip in it.  This chip is one
>>>>> of the few that can be used at 500 kilobaud data rates, allowing DSDD
>>>>> floppy drives to be used at 1440 kilobyte size.
>>>>>           
>>>> Am I missing something?  Double-sided double-density 5.25" drives are
>>>> 360K, no?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> If set for 40 tracks, double sided in the os9 descriptor then yes. 
>>>       
>> <pedantic mode>
>> Or 80 track single sided.....as IIRC some early Atari ST machines used, 
>> at least here in the UK.
>> </pedantic>
>>
>>     
>>>                                                                But I 
>>> believe that chip can have the high speed data rate hack applied, which means 
>>> the nearest $25 3.5" 1.44 meg drive with HD diskettes can be used in it.
>>>       
>> But then wouldn't that be DSHD ? Double sided, High density ? Was this 
>> what was sometimes refered to as Quad density, or was that 80 tracks as 
>> opposed to 40 ?
>>     
>
> "Quad density" (a misnomer, of course) 5.25" drives were 80 tracks,
> double-density.  720K per diskette.. not too common, but I remember the
> Tandy 2000 had 'em.
>
> C.
>
>   
I think you're right, Chuck.  I remember using a Sage in college that
used those "Quad Density" drives.  They weren't the same as the "High
Density" 1.2M.  Double Density was 48tpi, Quad Density was 96tpi.  I
guess by that measure, the 1.2M would be "Octuple Density," which is
undoubtedly why they just got called "High Density."

The Sage was an interesting bird.  68000, USCD P-system.  I remember it
had one castle/kingdom simulation type game on it that seemed pretty fun
at the time, though I can't remember the exact name.  All I can think of
is Kings & Castles, but that was a CoCo game. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAGE_Computer_Technology  Interesting as it
was, the CoCo was more fun.

JCE
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From underserf at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 18 07:24:38 2008
From: underserf at yahoo.com (Mike Ortloff)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D1B82B.5090704@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <960671.24842.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Then somebody warn RTSI & Dennis Bathory-Kitsz, I'd sure hate to see these long-time CoCo resources (& in DBKs case, 30-years long) taken down over some now-almost-useless piece of telecom ancient history.

There are HUNDREDS of files up on the respective sites, =somebody= authorized the archiving, else these folks would be exposed to serious litigation.

Oh, and anyone with the access to read the list =should= be able to use Google (making Google criminally liable as well?) to find the rest out ;)

=M0=

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Al Hartman <alhartman at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Al Hartman <alhartman at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:08 PM










    
            Copyright doesn't expire that quickly. Having worked for two of the 

compaines that licensed MikeyTerm (Spectrum Projects and Zebra Systems, 

Inc.), you'd have to have gotten their approval as licensors of the 

software to release it.



Bob Rosen doesn't give anyone anything for free...



Al


      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      


From underserf at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 18 10:04:55 2008
From: underserf at yahoo.com (Mike Ortloff)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <48D1701C.22893.CBC3B91@shadow.shadowgard.com>
Message-ID: <267919.84062.qm@web56605.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Welp, there are 345 separate commands, programs etc under just one directory on RTSI, I recognize many of these as s/w I paid for back in the day. Heck, NitrOS/9 =was= commercial s/w once.

It would be nice to see what the copyright status of a DECB telecom program is compared to OSs and compilers, document files and schematics.

GregEterm, Ultimaterm, TwiliteTerm and a few I don't recognize are all up

Best get to work pulling down the archive boyz ;)

=M0=

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, shadow at shadowgard.com <shadow at shadowgard.com> wrote:
From: shadow at shadowgard.com <shadow at shadowgard.com>
Subject: Re: [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:01 PM










    
            On 17 Sep 2008 at 22:08, Al Hartman wrote:



> Copyright doesn't expire that quickly.



Yep. In fact given when the term was changed, *no* personal computer 

software copyright is going to expire (in the US at least) before 

2025. Might even be 2050.



Term is either 50 or 75 years for copyright not owned by the author 

(I forget which). Thus nothing written after 1975 would expire before 

the years I gave above.



For stuff where the author has the copyrigt, the clock doesn't start 

until the author *dies*.



so unless the author has placed the software in the public domain, 

you are violatimng copyright unless you have his permission.



Oh yeah, if someone *other* than the author say it's in the public 

domain and you distribute it, relying on their advice and they are 

wrong, you are still legally liable for the infringement.



--

Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)

shadow at shadowgard dot com




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      


From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Thu Sep 18 10:25:50 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:25:50 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Need new disk drive...
References: <1221687782.7651.6.camel@eagle.robinson-west.com>	<200809172125.50702.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<1221702239.8052.3.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>	<200809172202.43012.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<48D1FD74.9010402@aurigae.demon.co.uk><1221741039.8052.8.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
	<48D25902.7000201@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <31E75FC48ED34B76AACB600DE8C01E4D@trotter>

FWIW; there were two 1.2 Meg 5.25" floppy formats.

    Quad density using Ferrite media,
and
    High density using Cobalt media.

Source: TechRef First Edition by Thomas J. Glover and Millie M. Young 
published by Sequoia.  ISBN 1-885071-11-6

Bruce W. 



From farna at att.net  Thu Sep 18 10:47:21 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Eye of Ike approaching my home
Message-ID: <48D269F9.60504@att.net>

Glad you got your power back! Good point about building codes, but they 
are nowhere near strict enough in coastal areas. I lived on Okinawa 
(Japan) for just under three years and weathered several typhoons bigger 
than that one. I recall one that took two hours just for the eye to pass 
over the island! Local shops opened up shortly after the winds stopped 
then closed when it started blowing again. How can they do that? The few 
big supermarkets didn't, just the many mom-n-pop markets in town. The 
buildings are nearly all poured concrete and have roll-up curtains over 
all the windows (like mini roll-up doors). They know they're going to 
get hit by 3-4 typhoons a year and build accordingly. Can't evacuate the 
island, even though it's "just" 463 square miles (15 miles at the widest 
point, 70 miles at the longest, but only 5 miles at the narrowest... 
roughly). Too far to go anywhere else! Never had a lot of damage when 
cat 4 hurricanes hit, mostly superficial. Almost all homes are poured 
concrete shells. It only makes sense, but the coastal towns on the US 
won't buckle down and demand permanent construction, would cost too 
much. A wood house is going to eventually blow away or be damaged beyond 
practical repair, and will suffer lots of damage in most heavy storms. A 
big one (cat 4-5) hits every 10 years, with a smaller cat 2-3 every 5 or 
less. the repair/replacement and insurance bills would more than make up 
the added cost! ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:17:14 -0500 From: 
Dave Kelly <daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com> Power came back on at 1:30. I 
don't know if the pictures that I saw in the Houston chronicle got up 
your way or not.

The town of  Gilcrest on the Bolivar point across the bay from
Galveston was wiped clean. Entire town nothing but slabs left.
EXCEPT for this one red and white new house looks as if it had been 
built after the  storm  passed thru.  A good example of building by the 
building codes.

Lots of people on the coast have lost land. The State of Texas has an 
open  beach law. Every thing from the natural grass line to the water is 
publicly owned. The wind and wave action in a storm of this magnitude 
can drastically alter the shore line. What was a house built on stilts 
and 200 feet from the waters edge and 150 behind the grass line may now 
be a set of stilts at the water line or even off shore a ways. Unless 
they have land behind the grass line they can not rebuild.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From farna at att.net  Thu Sep 18 10:58:51 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:58:51 -0400
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
Message-ID: <48D26CAB.3060804@att.net>

Just remember that copyright is like speed limits -- someone has to be there to enforce it or it's really worthless. The copyright was changed at the urging of big companies like Disney who have "commodities" like Mickey Mouse, whose copyright would have expired long ago, that they count on. If you violate a copyright there has to be someone to complain or it's a moot point. But a company like Disney WILL complain! In order to win a judgement they have to prove damages, or that a profit was being made at the least. Most, even Disney and the US auto makers, simply issue a "cease and desist" letter from their legal staff as a first step, then pursue legal action if you continue. I'm not sure if the law requires them to tell you to stop first or not, I would think that it does, but they could continue legal action even if you did quit IF they could prove/suspected you made a substantial amount of money from them. Shortly after Daimler too over Chrysler the legal-beagles went after clubs that were using the Mopar and other Chrysler logos. they issued cease and desist orders with instructions on how to license the logos. They got a lot of complaints, and lost quite a few customers! They did allow clubs free use, but only after an approval process. Someone finally realized it was costing them a lot for nothing and they stopped messing with the clubs who just sold T-shirts and calendars locally anyway. 

-----------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:01:16 -0700
From: shadow at shadowgard.com

> > Copyright doesn't expire that quickly.
>   

Yep. In fact given when the term was changed, *no* personal computer 
software copyright is going to expire (in the US at least) before 
2025. Might even be 2050.

Term is either 50 or 75 years for copyright not owned by the author 
(I forget which). Thus nothing written after 1975 would expire before 
the years I gave above.

For stuff where the author has the copyrigt, the clock doesn't start 
until the author *dies*.

so unless the author has placed the software in the public domain, 
you are violatimng copyright unless you have his permission.

Oh yeah, if someone *other* than the author say it's in the public 
domain and you distribute it, relying on their advice and they are 
wrong, you are still legally liable for the infringement.

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)




From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 11:08:52 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:08:52 -0400
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <48D26CAB.3060804@att.net>
References: <48D26CAB.3060804@att.net>
Message-ID: <1221750532.8052.13.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

No offense to anyone who's posting on this thread, but can we shut up
about copyrights already?  We all know the score by this point, some
shit is copyrighted, some isn't, it's unclear at times what is, and if
the author would even care or not, blah blah blah.

Running around in friggin' circles..

C.




From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Thu Sep 18 12:10:03 2008
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:10:03 -0400
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <1221750532.8052.13.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <48D26CAB.3060804@att.net>
	<1221750532.8052.13.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <200809181210.04160.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>

On Thursday 18 September 2008 11:08:52 Chuck Youse wrote:
> No offense to anyone who's posting on this thread, but can we shut up
> about copyrights already?  We all know the score by this point, some
> shit is copyrighted, some isn't, it's unclear at times what is, and if
> the author would even care or not, blah blah blah.

Here Here!  I too am sooooooo tired of reading about this. I know it is a 
valid point and, yes it still important to some, but I am fed up with it to 
the max. Please start a new forum/mail list to discuss it or take it offline.


From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep 18 12:47:38 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:47:38 -0500
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <1221750532.8052.13.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <48D26CAB.3060804@att.net>
	<1221750532.8052.13.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <48D2862A.2090500@swbell.net>

Chuck Youse wrote:
> No offense to anyone who's posting on this thread, but can we shut up
> about copyrights already?  We all know the score by this point, some
> shit is copyrighted, some isn't, it's unclear at times what is, and if
> the author would even care or not, blah blah blah.
>
> Running around in friggin' circles..
>
> C.
>
>   

I agree.  Copyright permits the author to dictate the terms under which
a work is copied.  My (admittedly now hazy) recollection is that
Mikeyterm was copyrighted and distributed as shareware, which means it
is freely distributable, but with continued use there was the
expectation of a contribution to the author.  Actually doing so was left
up to the individual conscience of the user.  Sometimes shareware
programs were licensed by distributors who would, in effect, collect the
shareware fee from customers and pay the author, minus a distribution
fee.  Whatever.

I think most of us can agree on these general points:

1.  Copyright law still stands.  The author holds the copyright to
anything he or she writes and does not expressly place in the Public
Domain.  Copyright lasts, in effect, forever.  Not quite in theory, but
for practical purposes that might as well be the case.

2.  Copyright gives you the right to sue if you think you've been
infringed upon.

3.  The common practice is first to give warnings and then to take legal
action.

4.  Lawyers and court cases cost money.  The likelihood of anybody
actually suing anyone else over 20 year old software or documentation
for a computer that hasn't been made since 1991 is slim to say the
least.  Could happen.  Isn't likely.  Probably wouldn't be worth the
effort.  Big magazine publishing companies may have a lawsuit reflex,
and like Chrysler, may take a while to understand that it isn't worth
their time.  It's probably not helpful to taunt them.

5.  Many of the individual authors of old CoCo software don't mind if
people trade copies of their programs at this point and some may even be
grateful that their work has been preserved.  Paladin's Legacy is a good
recent case in point.  Some software publishers and authors have given
their express permission for their old products to be distributed as
freeware.  The games you can download from L. Curtis Boyle's web site
are examples of this.

6.  There are without a doubt technical copyright violations out there
on publicly accessible servers.  The ones I have seen are all programs
that  haven't been available for sale for many years, and aren't
compromising anybody's real revenue stream.  Copyright violations? 
Probably.  Actually causing any harm?  Probably not.  Possibly doing
some good in terms of preserving a historical record, and maintaining
some level of interest in the CoCo which might in itself possibly
preserve the potential for some tiny, miniscule marketplace for future
programs?  I think so.

7.  We ought to be sensitive to the copyright holders' legitimate
interests.  Just because we think someone ought to let us copy their
program a couple decades down the road doesn't give us the right to do
so against their wishes.  If authors show up and request removal of
their work from public ftp sites, I think that should be respected.

8.  Violating the copyrights of authors who are currently selling
software in the CoCo market should be considered not only illegal, but
very bad form indeed.  I have not seen rogue copies of Drivewire or
'Mary and the Butterflies' on the public servers, and I would think that
their authors would be rightly very angry if this were to happen.  But
the standards of the CoCo community seem to be such that this isn't
happening, at least insofar as I am aware.

9.  Awareness of copyright law and licensing issues has increased since
the time many CoCo programs were originally written and distributed. 
Back in the day, the term 'Public Domain' was used very loosely, for
example.  You would often see contradictory statements like "I release
this program into the Public Domain for non-commercial use only."  Well,
if it is truly in the public domain, then anybody can do whatever they
want with it, commercial or no.  Now we have all kinds of much more
sophisticated licensing options, like the GPL, different versions of
Creative Commons licensing, and other forms of Open Source, as well as
closed source freeware and good old fashioned commercial licenses.  If
you have a disk image with a half-dozen BASIC programs, very likely even
they aren't properly, explicitly in the Public Domain, and copyright
technically remains with the original author, whoever that was.  The
likely intent was that they be shared with all for any purpose, though
it may be impossible to tell for certain, because such documentation was
not the rule in those days.  Old commercial games that have a copyright
notice on the splash screen clearly had a different intent.  At this
point, I think the community norm seems to be that quiet and respectful
sharing of these programs hurts no one and strengthens the community
unless it is learned that the author does not approve.  Since even many
of the programs that weren't originally commercial are ambiguously
licensed at the best, and their original authors likely completely
unidentifiable and unreachable, there would be very very little CoCo
software publicly available if we adhered to the strictest
interpretation of copyright law. 

10.  Therefore I think we must recognize the imperfection of copyright
law, and its understanding and use in the past and today, and strike a
pragmatic balance between the rights of the original authors, the past
and present users, and the community, and leave the final decision to
the individual.  If you were driving the speed limit and somebody passed
you going just a little faster, you wouldn't likely call the police.  It
wouldn't do any good, they really aren't doing any harm, and you've
almost certainly been there and done that yourself.  The police might
not even pull them over if they were there to see it.  If somebody
passes you on the shoulder going 40MPH faster than the general flow of
traffic, you might be more tempted to call in their tag number. 
(Probably still wouldn't do any good, but their driving is not just
violating the letter of the law, but is arguably posing a real hazard.) 
Sharing copies of quarter-century-old commercial games:  going 75 in a
70MPH zone.  Giving away programs Roger Taylor or Cloud 9 are currently
selling:  reckless endangerment.  Both technically illegal.  One
commonly accepted practice, the other something we should all avoid and
strongly discourage.

11.  Let's quit talking about this soon.

JCE

>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 18 12:52:46 2008
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <48D2862A.2090500@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <708836.92798.qm@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:

> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 12:47 PM
> Chuck Youse wrote:
> > No offense to anyone who's posting on this thread,
> but can we shut up
> > about copyrights already?  We all know the score by
> this point, some
> > shit is copyrighted, some isn't, it's unclear
> at times what is, and if
> > the author would even care or not, blah blah blah.
> >
> > Running around in friggin' circles..
> >
> > C.
> >
> >   
> 
> I agree.  Copyright permits the author to dictate the terms
> under which
> a work is copied.  My (admittedly now hazy) recollection is
> that
> Mikeyterm was copyrighted and distributed as shareware,
> which means it
> is freely distributable, but with continued use there was
> the
> expectation of a contribution to the author.  Actually
> doing so was left
> up to the individual conscience of the user.  Sometimes
> shareware
> programs were licensed by distributors who would, in
> effect, collect the
> shareware fee from customers and pay the author, minus a
> distribution
> fee.  Whatever.
> 
> I think most of us can agree on these general points:
> 
> 1.  Copyright law still stands.  The author holds the
> copyright to
> anything he or she writes and does not expressly place in
> the Public
> Domain.  Copyright lasts, in effect, forever.  Not quite in
> theory, but
> for practical purposes that might as well be the case.
> 
> 2.  Copyright gives you the right to sue if you think
> you've been
> infringed upon.
> 
> 3.  The common practice is first to give warnings and then
> to take legal
> action.
> 
> 4.  Lawyers and court cases cost money.  The likelihood of
> anybody
> actually suing anyone else over 20 year old software or
> documentation
> for a computer that hasn't been made since 1991 is slim
> to say the
> least.  Could happen.  Isn't likely.  Probably
> wouldn't be worth the
> effort.  Big magazine publishing companies may have a
> lawsuit reflex,
> and like Chrysler, may take a while to understand that it
> isn't worth
> their time.  It's probably not helpful to taunt them.
> 
> 5.  Many of the individual authors of old CoCo software
> don't mind if
> people trade copies of their programs at this point and
> some may even be
> grateful that their work has been preserved.  Paladin's
> Legacy is a good
> recent case in point.  Some software publishers and authors
> have given
> their express permission for their old products to be
> distributed as
> freeware.  The games you can download from L. Curtis
> Boyle's web site
> are examples of this.
> 
> 6.  There are without a doubt technical copyright
> violations out there
> on publicly accessible servers.  The ones I have seen are
> all programs
> that  haven't been available for sale for many years,
> and aren't
> compromising anybody's real revenue stream.  Copyright
> violations? 
> Probably.  Actually causing any harm?  Probably not. 
> Possibly doing
> some good in terms of preserving a historical record, and
> maintaining
> some level of interest in the CoCo which might in itself
> possibly
> preserve the potential for some tiny, miniscule marketplace
> for future
> programs?  I think so.
> 
> 7.  We ought to be sensitive to the copyright holders'
> legitimate
> interests.  Just because we think someone ought to let us
> copy their
> program a couple decades down the road doesn't give us
> the right to do
> so against their wishes.  If authors show up and request
> removal of
> their work from public ftp sites, I think that should be
> respected.
> 
> 8.  Violating the copyrights of authors who are currently
> selling
> software in the CoCo market should be considered not only
> illegal, but
> very bad form indeed.  I have not seen rogue copies of
> Drivewire or
> 'Mary and the Butterflies' on the public servers,
> and I would think that
> their authors would be rightly very angry if this were to
> happen.  But
> the standards of the CoCo community seem to be such that
> this isn't
> happening, at least insofar as I am aware.
> 
> 9.  Awareness of copyright law and licensing issues has
> increased since
> the time many CoCo programs were originally written and
> distributed. 
> Back in the day, the term 'Public Domain' was used
> very loosely, for
> example.  You would often see contradictory statements like
> "I release
> this program into the Public Domain for non-commercial use
> only."  Well,
> if it is truly in the public domain, then anybody can do
> whatever they
> want with it, commercial or no.  Now we have all kinds of
> much more
> sophisticated licensing options, like the GPL, different
> versions of
> Creative Commons licensing, and other forms of Open Source,
> as well as
> closed source freeware and good old fashioned commercial
> licenses.  If
> you have a disk image with a half-dozen BASIC programs,
> very likely even
> they aren't properly, explicitly in the Public Domain,
> and copyright
> technically remains with the original author, whoever that
> was.  The
> likely intent was that they be shared with all for any
> purpose, though
> it may be impossible to tell for certain, because such
> documentation was
> not the rule in those days.  Old commercial games that have
> a copyright
> notice on the splash screen clearly had a different intent.
>  At this
> point, I think the community norm seems to be that quiet
> and respectful
> sharing of these programs hurts no one and strengthens the
> community
> unless it is learned that the author does not approve. 
> Since even many
> of the programs that weren't originally commercial are
> ambiguously
> licensed at the best, and their original authors likely
> completely
> unidentifiable and unreachable, there would be very very
> little CoCo
> software publicly available if we adhered to the strictest
> interpretation of copyright law. 
> 
> 10.  Therefore I think we must recognize the imperfection
> of copyright
> law, and its understanding and use in the past and today,
> and strike a
> pragmatic balance between the rights of the original
> authors, the past
> and present users, and the community, and leave the final
> decision to
> the individual.  If you were driving the speed limit and
> somebody passed
> you going just a little faster, you wouldn't likely
> call the police.  It
> wouldn't do any good, they really aren't doing any
> harm, and you've
> almost certainly been there and done that yourself.  The
> police might
> not even pull them over if they were there to see it.  If
> somebody
> passes you on the shoulder going 40MPH faster than the
> general flow of
> traffic, you might be more tempted to call in their tag
> number. 
> (Probably still wouldn't do any good, but their driving
> is not just
> violating the letter of the law, but is arguably posing a
> real hazard.) 
> Sharing copies of quarter-century-old commercial games: 
> going 75 in a
> 70MPH zone.  Giving away programs Roger Taylor or Cloud 9
> are currently
> selling:  reckless endangerment.  Both technically illegal.
>  One
> commonly accepted practice, the other something we should
> all avoid and
> strongly discourage.
> 
> 11.  Let's quit talking about this soon.
> 
> JCE
> 

We have to quit...you used up all the words.



      


From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep 18 13:42:21 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:42:21 -0500
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <708836.92798.qm@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <708836.92798.qm@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48D292FD.2010701@swbell.net>

Jim Hickle wrote:
>
> --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Joel Ewy <jcewy at swbell.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 12:47 PM
>> Chuck Youse wrote:
>>     
>>> No offense to anyone who's posting on this thread,
>>>       
>> but can we shut up
>>     
>>> about copyrights already?  ...
>>     
[Much verbosity deleted]
>> 11.  Let's quit talking about this soon.
>>
>> JCE
>>
>>     
>
> We have to quit...you used up all the words.
>
>
>   
:-) Heh.  But you forget, this email message can be formatted on the
other side, so I've only used half the words!

JCE
>       
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 13:47:10 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:47:10 -0400
Subject: [Coco] F$Sleep, drivers, and interrupt masks
Message-ID: <1221760030.8052.18.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

Hey folks,

Before I start digging through the bowels of Nitr/OS-9, I have a
question someone might have a ready answer for: is it valid for a device
driver to call F$Sleep with interrupts disabled?

Of course the assumption being that the system will re-enable them, and
possibly disable them before scheduling the sleeping driver process
again.

The reason I ask is I'm trying to avoid a race condition; resetting a
chip results in an interrupt, but I don't want to risk the interrupt
arriving before I go to sleep - resulting in a process that never wakes
up.  Pretty classic race condition.

C.




From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 14:06:38 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:06:38 -0400
Subject: [Coco] high-density disks
Message-ID: <1221761198.8052.22.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

Seems I can't find an appropriate density bit for IT.TYP in my 3.5"
high-density floppy disk descriptor.  There's DNS.FM and DNS.MFM - which
are used for single and double density, respectively.  In my case I need
to distinguish between 250KB/s (standard MFM) and high-density
(500KB/s), depending upon the drive attached.  Any ideas folks?  New
DNS.blah for high-density (which I believe is _still_ MFM, technically,
which means we'd have yet-another-misnomer to deal with)?

C.




From curtisboyle at sasktel.net  Thu Sep 18 14:17:46 2008
From: curtisboyle at sasktel.net (L. Curtis Boyle)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:17:46 -0600
Subject: [Coco] F$Sleep, drivers, and interrupt masks
In-Reply-To: <1221760030.8052.18.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221760030.8052.18.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <op.uhovrwepmuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:47:10 -0600, Chuck Youse  
<cyouse at serialtechnologies.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Before I start digging through the bowels of Nitr/OS-9, I have a
> question someone might have a ready answer for: is it valid for a device
> driver to call F$Sleep with interrupts disabled?
>
> Of course the assumption being that the system will re-enable them, and
> possibly disable them before scheduling the sleeping driver process
> again.
>
> The reason I ask is I'm trying to avoid a race condition; resetting a
> chip results in an interrupt, but I don't want to risk the interrupt
> arriving before I go to sleep - resulting in a process that never wakes
> up.  Pretty classic race condition.
>

I can't remember, but I think the Suspend bit (in Level 2, anyways) is  
what one should use instead of F$Sleep. Hopefully somebody else remembers  
better than I do.


-- 
L. Curtis Boyle


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 14:30:02 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:30:02 -0400
Subject: [Coco] F$Sleep, drivers, and interrupt masks
In-Reply-To: <op.uhovrwepmuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>
References: <1221760030.8052.18.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
	<op.uhovrwepmuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>
Message-ID: <1221762602.8052.24.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:17 -0600, L. Curtis Boyle wrote:

> I can't remember, but I think the Suspend bit (in Level 2, anyways) is  
> what one should use instead of F$Sleep. Hopefully somebody else remembers  
> better than I do.

Indeed, butya still gotta sleep after your set your suspend bit :)

C.




From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 14:30:59 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:30:59 -0400
Subject: [Coco] F$Sleep, drivers, and interrupt masks
In-Reply-To: <1221762602.8052.24.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221760030.8052.18.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
	<op.uhovrwepmuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>
	<1221762602.8052.24.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <1221762659.8052.26.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 14:30 -0400, Chuck Youse wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:17 -0600, L. Curtis Boyle wrote:
> 
> > I can't remember, but I think the Suspend bit (in Level 2, anyways) is  
> > what one should use instead of F$Sleep. Hopefully somebody else remembers  
> > better than I do.
> 
> Indeed, butya still gotta sleep after your set your suspend bit :)
> 
> C.

Wait, wait, ignore my comment here.  Things are gettin' fuzzy..

C.




From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 14:40:06 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:40:06 -0400
Subject: [Coco] F$Sleep, drivers, and interrupt masks
In-Reply-To: <1221762659.8052.26.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221760030.8052.18.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
	<op.uhovrwepmuougd@l-curtis-boyles-17-macbook-pro.local>
	<1221762602.8052.24.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
	<1221762659.8052.26.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <1221763206.8052.31.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 14:30 -0400, Chuck Youse wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 14:30 -0400, Chuck Youse wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:17 -0600, L. Curtis Boyle wrote:
> > 
> > > I can't remember, but I think the Suspend bit (in Level 2, anyways) is  
> > > what one should use instead of F$Sleep. Hopefully somebody else remembers  
> > > better than I do.
> > 
> > Indeed, butya still gotta sleep after your set your suspend bit :)

Ok, poring over docs.  Now I see how it works and avoids the race
condition:

1. With interrupts disabled, set up V.WAKE, set your process suspend
bit, and issue the command to the device controller; re-enable
interrupts.
2. Give up the current timeslice with X=1 and F$Sleep; the process will
not be rescheduled until the suspend bit is cleared by the IRQ service
routine.

The whole point is that the race is non-existent because scheduling is
controlled by the suspend bit, which, if cleared by the IRQ service
routine before you hit F$Sleep, only results in a minor delay until
you're rescheduled.

Thanks Curtis for unrusting my brain bits.

C.
 



From jlhickle at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 18 14:46:04 2008
From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <48D292FD.2010701@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <853235.81200.qm@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>






> [Much verbosity deleted]
> >> 11.  Let's quit talking about this soon.
> >>
> >> JCE
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > We have to quit...you used up all the words.
> >
> >
> >   
> :-) Heh.  But you forget, this email message can be
> formatted on the
> other side, so I've only used half the words!
> 

I didn't know you could use the other side of the monitor.
Do you have to punch extra holes in it first?



      


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 16:08:45 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 Level II and PIA1 FIRQs
Message-ID: <1221768525.8052.35.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

Hey all,

In order to get one of my boards to generate interrupts from the
cartridge slot, I find that I have to not only enable IRQs from CART*
via the GIME, but I also have to turn off FIRQs generated from CART* via
PIA1.  Is there any particular reason why, on Level II, we leave the
PIA1 FIRQ from CART* enabled by default?  

Looking at some other drivers (6551 ACIA) they seem to have to do the
same thing... so it's not just me. 

Wouldn't it make sense to just have the kernel turn off PIA interrupts
on Level II right from the get-go?  The GIME is a far better arbitrator.

C.




From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep 18 16:23:32 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:23:32 -0500
Subject: [Coco] high-density disks
In-Reply-To: <1221761198.8052.22.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221761198.8052.22.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <48D2B8C4.8060207@swbell.net>

Chuck Youse wrote:
> Seems I can't find an appropriate density bit for IT.TYP in my 3.5"
> high-density floppy disk descriptor.  There's DNS.FM and DNS.MFM - which
> are used for single and double density, respectively.  In my case I need
> to distinguish between 250KB/s (standard MFM) and high-density
> (500KB/s), depending upon the drive attached.  Any ideas folks?  New
> DNS.blah for high-density (which I believe is _still_ MFM, technically,
> which means we'd have yet-another-misnomer to deal with)?
>
>   
My recommendation would be to try to set it up the same way it is done
in OS-9/68K on e.g. the MM/1.  I don't remember off the top of my head
what that looks like and my MM/1 is, uh, apart at the moment.  I'll try
to put it back together later today and see if I can get the results of
dmode...

JCE
> C.
>
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From jcewy at swbell.net  Thu Sep 18 16:25:02 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:25:02 -0500
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <853235.81200.qm@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <853235.81200.qm@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48D2B91E.8050403@swbell.net>

Jim Hickle wrote:
>
>
>
>   
>> [Much verbosity deleted]
>>     
>>>> 11.  Let's quit talking about this soon.
>>>>
>>>> JCE
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> We have to quit...you used up all the words.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> :-) Heh.  But you forget, this email message can be
>> formatted on the
>> other side, so I've only used half the words!
>>
>>     
>
> I didn't know you could use the other side of the monitor.
> Do you have to punch extra holes in it first?
>
>
>   
Mine's not a flippy.  That's why I use a 3.5" mon... Ok, it's really
gone off the rails...

JCE
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From mark at cloud9tech.com  Thu Sep 18 16:35:03 2008
From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:35:03 -0500
Subject: [Coco] high-density disks
In-Reply-To: <1221761198.8052.22.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221761198.8052.22.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <20080918153503.aa0zhp6k3ggs48gk@webmail.frontiernet.net>

Chuck,

On mine I used the density opto detector. On a 1.44MB there are two  
holes on the disk. One is density the other is WP.

That signal appears on the 34 pin interface at pin 2 as I recall.

This way you have one dsecriptor that can do 720k or 1.44mb based upon  
the disk that was placed in the drive and the hardware sets the proper  
xfer rate osc.

Mark
Cloud-9


Quoting Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>:

> Seems I can't find an appropriate density bit for IT.TYP in my 3.5"
> high-density floppy disk descriptor.  There's DNS.FM and DNS.MFM - which
> are used for single and double density, respectively.  In my case I need
> to distinguish between 250KB/s (standard MFM) and high-density
> (500KB/s), depending upon the drive attached.  Any ideas folks?  New
> DNS.blah for high-density (which I believe is _still_ MFM, technically,
> which means we'd have yet-another-misnomer to deal with)?
>
> C.
>
>
>
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From mechacoco at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 16:35:19 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:35:19 -0600
Subject: [Coco] NitrOS-9 Level II and PIA1 FIRQs
In-Reply-To: <1221768525.8052.35.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221768525.8052.35.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809181335m7597bf5boe0844ae327035a4f@mail.gmail.com>

Could that cause a compatibility problem with code originally written
for Level I (which isn't aware of the GIME)?

Darren

---------
On 9/18/08, Chuck Youse wrote:
>
>  < snip >
>
> Wouldn't it make sense to just have the kernel turn off PIA interrupts
> on Level II right from the get-go?  The GIME is a far better arbitrator.
>
> C.


From shadow at shadowgard.com  Thu Sep 18 16:37:08 2008
From: shadow at shadowgard.com (shadow at shadowgard.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:37:08 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <960671.24842.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <48D1B82B.5090704@yahoo.com>,
	<960671.24842.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48D25984.30448.104F703B@shadow.shadowgard.com>

On 18 Sep 2008 at 4:24, Mike Ortloff wrote:

> Then somebody warn RTSI & Dennis Bathory-Kitsz, I'd sure hate to see these
> long-time CoCo resources (& in DBKs case, 30-years long) taken down over
> some now-almost-useless piece of telecom ancient history.
 
> There are HUNDREDS of files up on the respective sites, =somebody=
> authorized the archiving, else these folks would be exposed to serious
> litigation.

The copyright owner has to know and decide to file suit. 

With a lot of older pieces of software, the current copyright owners 
don't even *know* that they own the rights. They've acquired them 
thru a chain of buyouts. I think a lot of Tandy's Z-80 based stuff 
went thru something like 5 different companies before folks lost 
track.

> Oh, and anyone with the access to read the list =should= be able to use
> Google (making Google criminally liable as well?) to find the rest out
> ;)

Nope. Google is not liable. Period. Because they don't have illegal 
copies on their servers. 


--
Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 16:44:52 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:44:52 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
References: <48D1B82B.5090704@yahoo.com>,
	<960671.24842.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<48D25984.30448.104F703B@shadow.shadowgard.com>
Message-ID: <74B661CA79694A7395E1CDC28FF0933B@NewBaby>


True. In fact Google is your best tool to find bittorrents for the very 
latest things, stuff that lawyers are standing by waiting to sue over but 
they can't touch google.

I'm sure if Mike was around people would be willing to pay him for the 
software, if he cared. Same with Greg-E-Term.

Neil

"The Internet is like a series of tubes. Little trucks carry stuff through 
the tubes. Sometimes things fall off the backs of the little trucks".


----- Original Message ----- 
From: shadow at shadowgard.com

Nope. Google is not liable. Period. Because they don't have illegal copies 
on their servers.



From underserf at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 18 17:28:02 2008
From: underserf at yahoo.com (Mike Ortloff)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <74B661CA79694A7395E1CDC28FF0933B@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <641935.25418.qm@web56603.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

MikeyTerm was an old tape-based program superseded by several others, including some that are PD'ed

With all the copyright lawyers monitoring the list, I should think CoCo3 would stop selling the DVD archive & DBK would announce an apology on his website for archiving marketable software.

I thought Mr Bathory-Kitsz monitored this list.

My mistake

=M0=

--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:44 PM










    
            

True. In fact Google is your best tool to find bittorrents for the very 

latest things, stuff that lawyers are standing by waiting to sue over but 

they can't touch google.



I'm sure if Mike was around people would be willing to pay him for the 

software, if he cared. Same with Greg-E-Term.



Neil



"The Internet is like a series of tubes. Little trucks carry stuff through 

the tubes. Sometimes things fall off the backs of the little trucks".



----- Original Message ----- 

From: shadow at shadowgard. com



Nope. Google is not liable. Period. Because they don't have illegal copies 

on their servers.




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 17:50:19 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:50:19 -0400
Subject: [Coco] text mode (80x24) fonts?
Message-ID: <1221774619.8052.38.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

Ok, quick question.  What's the simplest way to tell OS-9 (GRFINT, or
WINDINT, or whatever) that you want to use a different text font?  I'd
like to use the CGA font in lieu of the standard font.  I like the
pseudo-Helvetica..

Assuming I can find a bit-dump of the CGA font .. shouldn't be too hard.

C.




From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Thu Sep 18 19:13:20 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:13:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] V.BUSY: last question!
Message-ID: <1221779600.8052.43.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

One last dumb question.

I see this in vrn.asm:

         ldb   PD.CPR,y   current process ID (can't depend on V.BUSY)

It's inside the GetStt code.  I'm wondering why this is; I was under the
impression the SCF/RBF serialized all access to the device drivers using
V.BUSY to synchronize various threads.  I.e., if you're in driver code,
V.BUSY is set and it's your process ID.

Is this an incorrect assumption?  Or are Getstt/Setstt exceptions to
this rule?

I suppose I could go digging through the code... just done _too much_ of
that lately, brain hemorrhaging.. 

C.




From flexser at fiu.edu  Thu Sep 18 19:46:47 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:46:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <641935.25418.qm@web56603.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809181945560.21417-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

Mikeyterm was disk-based, though it might have also been compatible with tape
systems.

Art

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Mike Ortloff wrote:

> MikeyTerm was an old tape-based program superseded by several others,
> including some that are PD'ed
> 
> With all the copyright lawyers monitoring the list, I should think CoCo3
> would stop selling the DVD archive & DBK would announce an apology on his
> website for archiving marketable software.
> 
> I thought Mr Bathory-Kitsz monitored this list.
> 
> My mistake
> 
> =M0=
> 
> --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 1:44 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
>             
> 
> True. In fact Google is your best tool to find bittorrents for the very 
> 
> latest things, stuff that lawyers are standing by waiting to sue over but 
> 
> they can't touch google.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sure if Mike was around people would be willing to pay him for the 
> 
> software, if he cared. Same with Greg-E-Term.
> 
> 
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> 
> "The Internet is like a series of tubes. Little trucks carry stuff through 
> 
> the tubes. Sometimes things fall off the backs of the little trucks".
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: shadow at shadowgard. com
> 
> 
> 
> Nope. Google is not liable. Period. Because they don't have illegal copies 
> 
> on their servers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
>     
>     
> 	
> 	 
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
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> 
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From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Thu Sep 18 19:59:21 2008
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:59:21 -0400
Subject: [Coco] text mode (80x24) fonts?
In-Reply-To: <1221774619.8052.38.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221774619.8052.38.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <48D2EB59.9040200@worldnet.att.net>

Chuck Youse wrote:
> Ok, quick question.  What's the simplest way to tell OS-9 (GRFINT, or
> WINDINT, or whatever) that you want to use a different text font?  I'd
> like to use the CGA font in lieu of the standard font.  I like the
> pseudo-Helvetica..
> 
> Assuming I can find a bit-dump of the CGA font .. shouldn't be too hard.
> 
> C.

I don't believe you have any choice on a text screen but I could be 
wrong. You can select fonts on graphics screens using the gpload and 
font system commands. You should look at these commands in chapter 3 of 
the OS-9 Level II manual. NitrOS-9 comes with two other font sets in 
directory SYS but I've never tried to use them.


From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com  Thu Sep 18 20:13:45 2008
From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:13:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] text mode (80x24) fonts?
In-Reply-To: <1221774619.8052.38.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221774619.8052.38.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <req5d4pe80e9f225agsvrskikftqcpbeug@4ax.com>

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:50:19 -0400, Chuck Youse
<cyouse at serialtechnologies.com> had a flock of green cheek conures
squawk out:

>Ok, quick question.  What's the simplest way to tell OS-9 (GRFINT, or
>WINDINT, or whatever) that you want to use a different text font?  I'd
>like to use the CGA font in lieu of the standard font.  I like the
>pseudo-Helvetica..
>
>Assuming I can find a bit-dump of the CGA font .. shouldn't be too hard.
>
>C.

In text mode you can't change fonts.

But you can in graphics mode. Send the character sequence to the
current window/path: 1B 3A GRP BFN
Where GRP is group number and BFN is the buffer number for the font.

Stephen

-- 
Stephen

... Cleanliness is next to impossible.


From ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com  Thu Sep 18 20:56:33 2008
From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com (ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 19 Sep 2008 00:56:33 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] New file uploaded to ColorComputer
Message-ID: <1221785793.302.89933.w108@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ColorComputer 
group.

  File        : /IBM.FNT 
  Uploaded by : rogelio_perea <rogelio_perea at yahoo.com> 
  Description : IBM Font in Binary form for the CoCo 3 Graohics Screen (should work with OS9LII) 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/files/IBM.FNT 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles

Regards,

rogelio_perea <rogelio_perea at yahoo.com>
 





From ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com  Thu Sep 18 20:59:21 2008
From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com (ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 19 Sep 2008 00:59:21 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] New file uploaded to ColorComputer
Message-ID: <1221785961.153.88253.w120@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ColorComputer 
group.

  File        : /MACFNT.AR 
  Uploaded by : rogelio_perea <rogelio_perea at yahoo.com> 
  Description : This file contains two Mac style fonts for the CoCo 3 under OS9LII. One is an 8x6 font and the other is 8x8 they are much more readable than the stdfonts included in level 2. Specially useful as default fonts for Multi-Vue. Docs included. Use AR09 to burst this file. Obtained from the remains of the CoCo SIG in Compuserve. 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/files/MACFNT.AR 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles

Regards,

rogelio_perea <rogelio_perea at yahoo.com>
 





From os9dude at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 21:02:46 2008
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:02:46 -0400
Subject: [Coco] text mode (80x24) fonts?
In-Reply-To: <1221774619.8052.38.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221774619.8052.38.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580809181802n7909c4b7i869f97e9df4ff34@mail.gmail.com>

Just uploaded IBM.FNT (a binary file) and MACFNT.AR to the Yahoo! Color
Computer Group

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/

Got both of these from what remains on the libraries of the former CoCo SIG
in Compuserve. I have used IBM.FNT as a straight load into memory in the
CoCo 3 to replace the HSCREEN stock font with a more pleasant type. I never
did replace the OS9L2 stdfonts with neither the IBM nor the Mac Fonts...



-=[ Rogelio ]=-



On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Chuck Youse
<cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>wrote:

> Ok, quick question.  What's the simplest way to tell OS-9 (GRFINT, or
> WINDINT, or whatever) that you want to use a different text font?  I'd
> like to use the CGA font in lieu of the standard font.  I like the
> pseudo-Helvetica..
>
> Assuming I can find a bit-dump of the CGA font .. shouldn't be too hard.
>
> C.
>


From operator at coco3.com  Thu Sep 18 22:18:19 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks
Message-ID: <20080919021841.A6B5720A3B@qs281.pair.com>

For those following some of the hottest news headlines, I've now 
added the LHC collider news block in the left sidebar which updates 
every 30 minutes, and the hurricane conditions and major headline 
blocks in the right sidebar.  Also featured in the sidebars is a 
Linux news block and a CoCo games block.

Lately I've found myself getting to all the latest news by just going 
to my site and scrolling down a tad, and there it all is.  It should 
also show the same while you're in chat or the forums.

Have fun.




From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 00:31:33 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:31:33 -0500
Subject: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309
In-Reply-To: <1ineq11.flokjkf0jge8M%tlindner@macmess.org>
References: <BAY120-DAV915A87B152D1399931AAFC84C0@phx.gbl>
	<1ineq11.flokjkf0jge8M%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV32FAD580AFC10DC2F0597C84E0@phx.gbl>

Ah, yes, but there was a typo, it is Hitachi 68B09EP.  I found these on
e-bay a couple of years ago, didn't even know
Hitachi made a 6809 (knew about the 6309).

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of tim lindner
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:21 PM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [Coco] 6809 vs 6309

Chad H <chadbh74 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have Hitachi 683B09EP in my CoCo 2.  I also have a sleeve of 9 spares :)

Chad, That's fantastic!

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright

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From flexser at fiu.edu  Fri Sep 19 01:25:22 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:25:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks
In-Reply-To: <20080919021841.A6B5720A3B@qs281.pair.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809190122210.24093-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Roger Taylor wrote:

> For those following some of the hottest news headlines, I've now 
> added the LHC collider news block in the left sidebar which updates 
> every 30 minutes

Oh, good.  When the earth gets swallowed up and destroyed by the black hole
created by the collider, I'll want to get the news right away.

Art




From tonym at compusource.net  Fri Sep 19 03:00:41 2008
From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:00:41 GMT
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
Message-ID: <200809190300573.SM04172@[63.69.23.239]>

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Arthur Flexser flexser at fiu.edu
>Sent 9/18/2008 7:46:47 PM
>To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
>Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
>
>Mikeyterm was disk-based, though it might have also been compatible with tape
>systems.
>
>Art
>

Art, if this is the same one I'm thinking of, which is an old-school comm program by Mike Ward at Miami Dade Community College, I remember taking 4 metro buses to get from Miami Beach to the MDCC campus to pick up a copy from him in person, on cassette.

I know this, well, because I couldn't afford a disk system, and was using cassette only!

I'm sure it may have been available on disk, but I think originally it came out as a cassette program, or both, but cassette WAS an option.

Tony

From os9dude at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 08:34:48 2008
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:34:48 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809190122210.24093-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
References: <20080919021841.A6B5720A3B@qs281.pair.com>
	<Pine.SOL.4.21.0809190122210.24093-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
Message-ID: <5631e580809190534q991b37ew33a0cbaa34be1dad@mail.gmail.com>

No worries! just keep tabs on it at the following site:

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html



On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Arthur Flexser <flexser at fiu.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Roger Taylor wrote:
>
> > For those following some of the hottest news headlines, I've now
> > added the LHC collider news block in the left sidebar which updates
> > every 30 minutes
>
> Oh, good.  When the earth gets swallowed up and destroyed by the black hole
> created by the collider, I'll want to get the news right away.
>
> Art


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Sep 19 09:09:03 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks
In-Reply-To: <5631e580809190534q991b37ew33a0cbaa34be1dad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080919021841.A6B5720A3B@qs281.pair.com>
	<Pine.SOL.4.21.0809190122210.24093-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<5631e580809190534q991b37ew33a0cbaa34be1dad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809190909.03838.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 19 September 2008, Rogelio Perea wrote:
>No worries! just keep tabs on it at the following site:
>
>http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
>
Chuckle.  How many bit on that one?

>On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Arthur Flexser <flexser at fiu.edu> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Roger Taylor wrote:
>> > For those following some of the hottest news headlines, I've now
>> > added the LHC collider news block in the left sidebar which updates
>> > every 30 minutes
>>
>> Oh, good.  When the earth gets swallowed up and destroyed by the black
>> hole created by the collider, I'll want to get the news right away.
>>
>> Art
>
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
PnPBIOS is a PC specific affliction. Other platforms have more elegantly
designed but even buggier solutions

	- Alan Cox on linux-kernel


From dgacke at ektarion.com  Fri Sep 19 10:22:14 2008
From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:22:14 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks
In-Reply-To: <5631e580809190534q991b37ew33a0cbaa34be1dad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080919021841.A6B5720A3B@qs281.pair.com>	<Pine.SOL.4.21.0809190122210.24093-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
	<5631e580809190534q991b37ew33a0cbaa34be1dad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04c601c91a63$1d318980$57949c80$@com>

That was a good one Rogelio! I got a chuckle out of that one.

Thanks!


Dave Gacke


-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Rogelio Perea
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 7:35 AM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks

No worries! just keep tabs on it at the following site:

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html



On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Arthur Flexser <flexser at fiu.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Roger Taylor wrote:
>
> > For those following some of the hottest news headlines, I've now
> > added the LHC collider news block in the left sidebar which updates
> > every 30 minutes
>
> Oh, good.  When the earth gets swallowed up and destroyed by the black
hole
> created by the collider, I'll want to get the news right away.
>
> Art

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From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 12:19:42 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>

Hi, someone asked if I would be interested in selling one of my spares.  At
the moment I'm kinda hanging on to them.  I probably don't need more than 1
or 2 spares but might acquire more CoCo units and re-fit them.  I may very
well sell them after all in the future.

 

However, there are some of these processors for sell on E-Bay right now.
See here >>
http://cgi.ebay.com/68B09-HD68B09EP-HD68B09-Microprocessing-Unit_W0QQitemZ14
0131459812QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

 

I also have a bunch of spare 28-pin 2564 EPROMs.   I got these as a used off
E-Bay.  I burned 2 with custom DECB some FD-502 controllers so I also have
high-speed FDC stepping and full double-sided access to my floppies (0 & 1
top drive, 2 & 3 bottom drive).  Pre-programmed all the rest of the EPROM's
with this modified DECB as a way to test them and weed out any bad chips,
which I did find a couple.  If anyone is interested in a custom-programmed
DECB let me know.   I used to have to boot up, run a program for "all ram
mode", then POKE the changes enable these features.   Now, they are already
set in the EPROM when I power up.

 

 



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Fri Sep 19 12:32:44 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:32:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Chad H wrote:

> Hi, someone asked if I would be interested in selling one of my  
> spares.  At
> the moment I'm kinda hanging on to them.  I probably don't need  
> more than 1
> or 2 spares but might acquire more CoCo units and re-fit them.  I  
> may very
> well sell them after all in the future.
>

Two things.

1. The Hitachi HD68B09EP is not a 6309.  It does not have magical  
powers.
2. If you want 6809s, Jameco (http://www.jameco.com) sells them for  
$4 or $5 each.  They are not scarce.

C.



From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 12:37:57 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:37:57 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV9D8C5F418598B533B55C5C84E0@phx.gbl>

For some reason this forum chops hyperlinks :(   I see the link I posted for
these had to be copied from the post and pasted.
I'm trying again in a different format.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140131459812




From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 12:46:37 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:46:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>

Well I know it's not a 6309, it's apparently Hitachi's version of the
68B09EP made by Motorola, found in many CoCo 2's and 3's.   I don't know if
Hitachi's version is more reliable, runs cooler, or whatever.  I really
haven't noticed, I just know they work atleast as good.  I don't really get
into any 6309 specific coding or anything so having one or the other makes
no difference to me.

Thanks for pointing out another source for these.  I've done business with
Jameco before, great people.  Are they the EP version's?  must have the EP
on the end of the part number (6309EP) or is wrong type.  I'm sure most
people here know why but for those that don't, the EP means it utilizes a
external clock generator of the system for clock speed.  The others (i.e.
6309p) have internal clocks and, if I'm not mistaken, won't work because
they won't run at the proper speed.


-----------  Previous  ----------
Two things.

1. The Hitachi HD68B09EP is not a 6309.  It does not have magical  
powers.
2. If you want 6809s, Jameco (http://www.jameco.com) sells them for  
$4 or $5 each.  They are not scarce.

C.



From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 12:55:29 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:55:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>	<BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>
	<BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV47EEA663EEC22C729D5B0C84E0@phx.gbl>

Strange...You sure they even have the 6309?  I just went to their site and
searched for it but found nothing.
I did find they carried both the Motorola 6809E and 68B09E for cheap.


-----------  Previous  ----------
Two things.

1. The Hitachi HD68B09EP is not a 6309.  It does not have magical  
powers.
2. If you want 6809s, Jameco (http://www.jameco.com) sells them for  
$4 or $5 each.  They are not scarce.

C.


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From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 12:58:07 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:58:07 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-DAV47EEA663EEC22C729D5B0C84E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>	<BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>	<BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY120-DAV47EEA663EEC22C729D5B0C84E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV31B174F72D5F2AB74A69FC84E0@phx.gbl>

My bad, you said they had 6809's....that's what I get for getting on here in
the morning before my eyes have become fully unstuck 

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Chad H
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:55 AM
To: 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale, custom DECB EPROMs

Strange...You sure they even have the 6309?  I just went to their site and
searched for it but found nothing.
I did find they carried both the Motorola 6809E and 68B09E for cheap.


-----------  Previous  ----------
Two things.

1. The Hitachi HD68B09EP is not a 6309.  It does not have magical  
powers.
2. If you want 6809s, Jameco (http://www.jameco.com) sells them for  
$4 or $5 each.  They are not scarce.

C.


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From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Fri Sep 19 13:04:28 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:04:28 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>
	<BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CDAC3583-E82D-4008-BC1D-54D24F0BDC65@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Chad H wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for pointing out another source for these.  I've done  
> business with
> Jameco before, great people.  Are they the EP version's?  must have  
> the EP
> on the end of the part number (6309EP) or is wrong type.

Actually, only the E is important - external clock.  the P just means  
it's a plastic vs. ceramic package.

The B is also important for Coco 3, as it's rated for 2MHz.  An A  
will probably also work without issue, but I've never actually run  
across one of those..

C.



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Fri Sep 19 13:11:02 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:11:02 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-DAV47EEA663EEC22C729D5B0C84E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>
	<BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY120-DAV47EEA663EEC22C729D5B0C84E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6D5B18E5-56DD-45CA-929B-23BE4043FAF3@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Chad H wrote:

> Strange...You sure they even have the 6309?  I just went to their  
> site and
> searched for it but found nothing.

Heh, nah, I meant 6809s.  The only reliable source of 6309s that I  
know of is Cloud-9 (http://www.cloud9tech.com).  Mark has got some  
secret Chinese connection.

C.



From chadbh74 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 13:44:32 2008
From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:44:32 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale,  custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <6D5B18E5-56DD-45CA-929B-23BE4043FAF3@serialtechnologies.com>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>	<BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>	<BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>	<BAY120-DAV47EEA663EEC22C729D5B0C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<6D5B18E5-56DD-45CA-929B-23BE4043FAF3@serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BAY120-DAV965904127EACBA6DA0317C84E0@phx.gbl>

Yea I bought my first 6309 from Mark to replace a Blown-HALT Line original
6809.  Thanks to their CPU Protector module, I doubt the CPU will ever blow
in that machine.  When I got a hold of the Hitachi 68B09's I took out the
6309 and stored it, since it's the only 6309 I have and I'm not doing
anything that requires it.   I just feel nervus about making use of
something if it's a one-of-a-kind piece in my collection.  My Computer room
has become almost a junk room full of spare parts heh.

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Chuck Youse
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:11 PM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale, custom DECB EPROMs


On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Chad H wrote:

> Strange...You sure they even have the 6309?  I just went to their  
> site and
> searched for it but found nothing.

Heh, nah, I meant 6809s.  The only reliable source of 6309s that I  
know of is Cloud-9 (http://www.cloud9tech.com).  Mark has got some  
secret Chinese connection.

C.


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From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Sep 19 14:02:18 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:02:18 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: Gimix OS-9 computer system information update.
Message-ID: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

So a couple of updates that will give you an idea of the documentation I
have on the two Gimix systems, and on the configuration of them.

I am almost done scanning in all the paper documentation for the Gimix
systems I have.  I have included a list of the scanned documents I have
processed.  Not OCR'd, though I wish I did have an OCR program for my Mac.
I still have a whole other binder to scan.  I know there is at least
documents on a 64K BYTE STATIC RAM BOARD, a TWO PORT RS-232C SERIAL
INTERFACE, and a TWO PORT PARALLEL INTERFACE, plus various revisions of
documents that I already have scanned.  The documents I scanned were all the
papers in the binders.  No document that had a spine of it's own has been
scanned at this time.  (BTW I love the multi-function device at my work, it
supports double sided scanning in one pass, and sends the scan in PDF format
via e-mail.  Sure beats scan a page, flip page, scan a page, flip page,
repeat until brain functions no longer.)

Based on the documentation binders, I have concluded that when I power on
these two systems (They will WORK, I am believing GOD for it in Jesus'
name.  You can believe with me too!), I will find that one of them is a 384K
system and the other is a 512K system.  Both have their own Hard Drives,
just not certain of the capacities yet.  These computers both worked fine
the last time I had them powered on around 10+ years ago.  May have a couple
of things to look at befor powering on, like if there are any problems with
the batteries or any leaky caps.

The only thing I have not finished scanning yet for the documents in the
list below is the larger folded pages that have schematics and / or board
layouts on them.

Scanned Gimix related documentation:
============================
BASIC09 PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE REFERENCE MANUAL.pdf
CRC GENERATOR BOARD for OS-9 GMX III - User's Manual.pdf
FLEX Programmer's Manual.pdf
FLEX User's Manual.pdf
GIMIX SERIAL I-O PROCESSOR FIRMWARE FOR OS-9.pdf
GMX 256K BYTE STATIC RAM BOARD - User's Manual - 2.pdf
GMX 256K BYTE STATIC RAM BOARD - User's Manual.pdf
GMX 6809 CPU III MICROPROCESSOR BOARD - User's Manual.pdf
GMX DMA III - Double Density Floppy Disk Controller - User's Manual.pdf
GMX DMA SASI INTERFACE BOARD - User's Manual.pdf
GMX Power Supply Information.pdf
Gimix registration cards - serial numbers.pdf
Gimix warranty papers.pdf
INTELLIGENT 3-PORT SERIAL I-O FIRMWARE Ver. 2 - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT 4-PORT SERIAL I-O PROCESSOR FIRMWARE Ver.2 - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT FOUR PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE Version II - User's
Manual.pdf
Motorola MC14411 Bit Rate Generator.pdf
O-FLEX - FLEX Operating System for OS-9 Level II - User's Manual.pdf
OS-9 EDITOR - ASSEMBLER - DEBUGGER MANUAL.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.2 14-SEP-1983.pdf
OS-9 OPERATING SYSTEM - User's Manual.pdf
OS-9 OPERATING SYSTEM - System Programmer's Manual.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Support ROM - User's Manual.pdf
Reading and Writing Color Computer OS-9??? Disks on GIMIX OS-9 Systems.pdf
SS-50C MOTHERBOARD and BAUD RATE GENERATOR - User's Manual.pdf
Specification for model OMTI 20C-1 Intelligent Controller for 5.25 inch
Winchester Drives.pdf
System Configuration Information.pdf
TEAC FD-55D - Mini Flexible Disk Drive Specification.pdf
VERTEX V100 Series OEM Maintenance Manual.pdf

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies


On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I just posted 5 new pictures for the Gimix systems.  Same URL is being
> used.
>
> http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021
>
> A couple of notes.  These pictures are of some spare items and diskettes
> that I have (not all diskettes though).
>
> The 2 port serial card uses MC68B50P UARTs.
>
> The 3 port serial card has the following observations:
> - GMX SIOP OS-9 V2.10 (c)1983 MSC sticker on ROM, and has a HD68B09P
> processor, 2 HM6116P-2 RAM chips, three R6551AP UARTs, and a Z8038DC.  The
> small crystal in the corner is a 8MHz crystal and the other larger crystal
> has a KHz rating that I cannot make out.
>
> The Teac FDD looked new, I think I may have just used it for the first time
> on my CoCo 1.
>
> The Diskettes 1 photo has:
> Top to bottom:
> BASIC09
> Another BASIC09
> Interactive Assembler / Macro Text Editor
> PASCAL V2.0
> Another Interactive Assembler / Macro Text Editor
> OS-9 GMX IIIs OS V1.2 / Support ROM Version
>
> The Diskettes 2 photo has:
> Top to bottom:
> Entertainment Package 3of3
> Entertainment Package
> 2of3
> Entertainment Package
> 1of3
> FHL DynaForm
> FHL DynaStar
>
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Pritchard
> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>
>
>
> On 14-Sep-08, at 8:20 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>
>  Hi everyone,
>>
>> With a lot of this CoCo List talking about OS-9, I thought I would make an
>> off-topic posting with a simple link and vague description to some OS-9
>> computer system pr0n.  We are talking about computers here folks.  The
>> pictures of the systems should speak for themselves.  I will be posting more
>> photos in the near future, as I will be removing the cards from the
>> associated busses to take photos.
>>
>> http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021
>>
>> After viewing these photos, some of you may be wondering why I have been
>> asking about the 64K upgrade instructions for the CoCo 1.  Honestly I can't
>> even begin to come up with a good reason.  Not with this evidence against
>> me.
>>
>> More information on these systems will be revealed after the photos have
>> had a chance to be viewed.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ryan Pritchard
>> Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Fri Sep 19 14:04:45 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:04:45 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: Gimix OS-9 computer system information update.
In-Reply-To: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD38EE-FBB8-4F07-BEB0-B622F38317C9@serialtechnologies.com>

SCHWING!!

So where will we find all these scans?

C.



From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Sep 19 14:11:08 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:11:08 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: Gimix OS-9 computer system information update.
In-Reply-To: <4EDD38EE-FBB8-4F07-BEB0-B622F38317C9@serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDD38EE-FBB8-4F07-BEB0-B622F38317C9@serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60809191111x1b6e8bf7x1139c6d1138f12a1@mail.gmail.com>

Yet to be figured out.

Don't tell the C0P3WR1GHT c0pS that seem to go - on and on here.  Sheesh.

When I figure it out, I'll let you know.  I was hoping the maltedmedia FTP
server may want to host them.

I still want to get the scanning done and the foldout pages scanned and
added to the appropriate documents.

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies


On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Chuck Youse
<cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>wrote:

> SCHWING!!
>
> So where will we find all these scans?
>
> C.
>
>
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From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Fri Sep 19 14:27:49 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: Gimix OS-9 computer system information update.
In-Reply-To: <1806abd60809191111x1b6e8bf7x1139c6d1138f12a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDD38EE-FBB8-4F07-BEB0-B622F38317C9@serialtechnologies.com>
	<1806abd60809191111x1b6e8bf7x1139c6d1138f12a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50A0873D-1878-4A19-BBFF-49027C02420F@serialtechnologies.com>



On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:

> Yet to be figured out.
>
> Don't tell the C0P3WR1GHT c0pS that seem to go - on and on here.   
> Sheesh.
>
> When I figure it out, I'll let you know.  I was hoping the  
> maltedmedia FTP
> server may want to host them.
>
> I still want to get the scanning done and the foldout pages scanned  
> and
> added to the appropriate documents.
>

Awesome.  I suspect Dennis will be more than happy to host.

If the schematics are comprehensive enough ... well, it may be time  
to build replicas.

C.



From flexser at fiu.edu  Fri Sep 19 14:31:12 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:31:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <200809190300573.SM04172@[63.69.23.239]>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809191424250.27131-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

That's the same Mike Ward, all right.  But my recollection is that it was
disk-based in the sense that file transfers were to and from disk if you had a
disk system.  It was compatible with cassette as well.

It was also noteworthy that you could download it in ASCII format (as 3 or 4
different files, I think), for the benefit of those many CoCo users who, prior
to obtaining Mikeyterm, had only ASCII download capability.  I think the code
was poked in from an ASCII Basic program.

Art

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008, tonym wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Arthur Flexser flexser at fiu.edu
> >Sent 9/18/2008 7:46:47 PM
> >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com
> >Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
> >
> >Mikeyterm was disk-based, though it might have also been compatible with tape
> >systems.
> >
> >Art
> >
> 
> Art, if this is the same one I'm thinking of, which is an old-school comm
> program by Mike Ward at Miami Dade Community College, I remember taking 4
> metro buses to get from Miami Beach to the MDCC campus to pick up a copy
> from him in person, on cassette.
> 
> I know this, well, because I couldn't afford a disk system, and was using
> cassette only!
> 
> I'm sure it may have been available on disk, but I think originally it came
> out as a cassette program, or both, but cassette WAS an option.
> 
> Tony



From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Sep 19 14:38:44 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:38:44 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: Gimix OS-9 computer system information update.
In-Reply-To: <50A0873D-1878-4A19-BBFF-49027C02420F@serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDD38EE-FBB8-4F07-BEB0-B622F38317C9@serialtechnologies.com>
	<1806abd60809191111x1b6e8bf7x1139c6d1138f12a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<50A0873D-1878-4A19-BBFF-49027C02420F@serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60809191138q6fe5d3c7vbe094559a37303ff@mail.gmail.com>

I would class the schematics as very clean and clear.  Just no part lists /
values to go with them from what I can tell.  But I do have all the boards
in my possession, which may make up for it.

-- 
Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Chuck Youse
<cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:
>
>  Yet to be figured out.
>>
>> Don't tell the C0P3WR1GHT c0pS that seem to go - on and on here.  Sheesh.
>>
>> When I figure it out, I'll let you know.  I was hoping the maltedmedia FTP
>> server may want to host them.
>>
>> I still want to get the scanning done and the foldout pages scanned and
>> added to the appropriate documents.
>>
>>
> Awesome.  I suspect Dennis will be more than happy to host.
>
> If the schematics are comprehensive enough ... well, it may be time to
> build replicas.
>
>
> C.
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Fri Sep 19 14:49:22 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:49:22 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: Gimix OS-9 computer system information update.
In-Reply-To: <1806abd60809191138q6fe5d3c7vbe094559a37303ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDD38EE-FBB8-4F07-BEB0-B622F38317C9@serialtechnologies.com>
	<1806abd60809191111x1b6e8bf7x1139c6d1138f12a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<50A0873D-1878-4A19-BBFF-49027C02420F@serialtechnologies.com>
	<1806abd60809191138q6fe5d3c7vbe094559a37303ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B9B9A51-8434-4F23-9BCF-8A6D77379251@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Ryan Pritchard wrote:

> I would class the schematics as very clean and clear.  Just no part  
> lists /
> values to go with them from what I can tell.  But I do have all the  
> boards
> in my possession, which may make up for it.
>

The tent in my pants has grown exponentially.  I look forward to  
seeing the scans.

C.



From mechacoco at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 15:26:10 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:26:10 -0600
Subject: [Coco] Hitachi 68B09EP for sale, custom DECB EPROMs
In-Reply-To: <6D5B18E5-56DD-45CA-929B-23BE4043FAF3@serialtechnologies.com>
References: <BAY120-DAV1D403D3150B40F06E2306C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<BC5ADF3D-5FB4-490D-89FC-20512D2E18D3@serialtechnologies.com>
	<BAY120-DAV1016CD514AD97F68495705C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY120-DAV47EEA663EEC22C729D5B0C84E0@phx.gbl>
	<6D5B18E5-56DD-45CA-929B-23BE4043FAF3@serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809191226o20b01b12nce8defa7d3146750@mail.gmail.com>

I was fortunate to come across an eBay listing for some 6309
processors about 2 years ago. It was from a seller in the UK who was
liquidating the inventory for some defunct supplier. I got 45 pieces
of HD63B09EP and 16 pieces of HD63C09EP dirt cheap. What surprised me
was that only one other person made a bid on them.  I did end up
selling several of them in order to recover my costs.

There are suppliers (mostly in Asia) who still claim to have them
available, but you have to purchase in large quantities. I would guess
that is how Mark obtains his inventory.

Darren

-------------

On 9/19/08, Chuck Youse wrote:
>
> On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Chad H wrote:
>
>> Strange...You sure they even have the 6309?  I just went to their
>> site and
>> searched for it but found nothing.
>
> Heh, nah, I meant 6809s.  The only reliable source of 6309s that I
> know of is Cloud-9 (http://www.cloud9tech.com).  Mark has got some
> secret Chinese connection.
>
> C.


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Fri Sep 19 17:56:22 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: Gimix OS-9 computer system information update.
In-Reply-To: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1806abd60809191102n4a7a1979v7bc1d5344af32a15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1806abd60809191456l158cc896o545d9913e29cd917@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

A quick update to the scanned Gimix related documentation list.  Because I
am not sure if there are any differences between certain copies of the
various duplicated documents, I have included a list of all the duplicates.
I still have to check some of the duplicates to see if there are other
revision numbers.  The other concern I have is if any of the documents have
extra or missing pages, etc.  There may still be some other documentation in
the collection that is not in the three primary binders, but I don't know
since they are at home.

Revised list now that the three primary binders are all scanned, with the
exception of the fold out schematics:
==========================================
6800-6809 MOTHER BOARD - BAUD RATE GENERATOR -  Power Supply Information.pdf
BASIC09 PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE REFERENCE MANUAL.pdf
CRC GENERATOR BOARD for OS-9 GMX III - User's Manual.pdf
FLEX Programmer's Manual.pdf
FLEX User's Manual.pdf
Gimix registration cards - serial numbers.pdf
Gimix warranty papers.pdf
GIMIX SERIAL I-O PROCESSOR FIRMWARE FOR OS-9.pdf
GIMIX 64K BYTE NMOS STATIC RAM BOARD for the SS-50 - SS-50C bus.pdf
GMX 256K BYTE STATIC RAM BOARD - User's Manual - 2.pdf
GMX 256K BYTE STATIC RAM BOARD - User's Manual - 3.pdf
GMX 256K BYTE STATIC RAM BOARD - User's Manual.pdf
GMX 6809 CPU III.pdf
GMX 6809 CPU III MICROPROCESSOR BOARD - User's Manual.pdf
GMX DMA III - Double Density Floppy Disk Controller - User's Manual.pdf
GMX DMA III - Double Density Floppy Disk Controller #68.pdf
GMX DMA SASI INTERFACE BOARD - User's Manual - 2.pdf
GMX DMA SASI INTERFACE BOARD - User's Manual.pdf
GMX Intelligent 3-Port Serial Interface OS-9 Software Version 1.0.pdf
GMX Power Supply Information.pdf
GMX TWO PORT RS-232C SERIAL INTERFACE BOARD - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT 3-PORT SERIAL I-O FIRMWARE Ver. 2 - User's Manual - REV B -
2.pdf
INTELLIGENT 3-PORT SERIAL I-O FIRMWARE Ver. 2 - User's Manual - REV B -
3.pdf
INTELLIGENT 3-PORT SERIAL I-O FIRMWARE Ver. 2 - User's Manual - REV B.pdf
INTELLIGENT 3-PORT SERIAL I-O FIRMWARE Ver. 2 - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT 4-PORT SERIAL I-O PROCESSOR FIRMWARE Ver.2 - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT FOUR PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual -
Preliminary - 2.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual -
Preliminary - 3.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual -
Preliminary - 4.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual -
Preliminary - 5.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE - User's Manual -
Preliminary.pdf
INTELLIGENT THREE PORT RS-232 SERIAL I-O INTERFACE Version II - User's
Manual.pdf
Motorola MC14411 Bit Rate Generator.pdf
O-FLEX - FLEX Operating System for OS-9 Level II - User's Manual.pdf
OS-9 EDITOR - ASSEMBLER - DEBUGGER MANUAL.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.1 10-MAY-1983 REV C - 2.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.1 10-MAY-1983 REV C.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.2 14-SEP-1983 REV E.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.2 14-SEP-1983 REV F.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.2 14-SEP-1983.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Support ROM - User's Manual - 2.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Support ROM - User's Manual.pdf
OS-9 OPERATING SYSTEM - System Programmer's Manual.pdf
OS-9 OPERATING SYSTEM - User's Manual.pdf
Reading and Writing Color Computer OS-9 Disks on GIMIX OS-9 Systems - 2.pdf
Reading and Writing Color Computer OS-9??? Disks on GIMIX OS-9 Systems.pdf
Registration card - Serial numbers.pdf
SS-50C MOTHERBOARD and BAUD RATE GENERATOR - User's Manual.pdf
Specification for model OMTI 20C-1 Intelligent Controller for 5.25 inch
Winchester Drives.pdf
System Configuration Information - 2.pdf
System Configuration Information.pdf
TEAC FD-55D - Mini Flexible Disk Drive Specification.pdf
Universal 2-Port Parrallel Interface Board - User's Manual.pdf
VERTEX V100 Series OEM Maintenance Manual.pdf

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Ryan Pritchard <coconut at pritchard.ca>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> So a couple of updates that will give you an idea of the documentation I
> have on the two Gimix systems, and on the configuration of them.
>
> I am almost done scanning in all the paper documentation for the Gimix
> systems I have.  I have included a list of the scanned documents I have
> processed.  Not OCR'd, though I wish I did have an OCR program for my Mac.
> I still have a whole other binder to scan.  I know there is at least
> documents on a 64K BYTE STATIC RAM BOARD, a TWO PORT RS-232C SERIAL
> INTERFACE, and a
>


From t.fadden at cox.net  Fri Sep 19 21:41:49 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:41:49 -0700
Subject: [Coco]  SCSISYS question
Message-ID: <48D454DD.2080305@cox.net>

I was following the SCSISYS thread, and had a few questions of my own.

I have scsisys1.1 on my level2 system with a disto 4in1 with no 
multipak, and two quantum 105s drives. I built this around 1992 or so, 
maby later. I used it activly untill about 1998.  In the last month or 
so, I have pulled it out of mothballs an tuned up the hardware and got 
it all working again.  I now see there is a 2.2 version of scsisys.  Is 
this available any where?  Is Matt still around an perhaps be able to 
provide/sell a copy?  I don't really have any problems with this one. 
Just thought the commercial version may have some improvements worth 
getting.

As to your thread, I have everything in a pc case, so the cable is less 
than 2 ft.  It was split all the way.  I had no terminators installed. 
Having trouble with /h1 after reviving the coco, I ended up making a 
cable as you describe with all 50 wires except at the controller. Wasn't 
the problem, but I ended up with a better cable! ha ha ha   the 
connectors from the drive assy to the disk circuit board were corroded, 
and after cleaning up all the drive cables I got it working again.

Term power should only supplied by one device on the chain.  with 18in 
cables no term power probably works.

Any hoo, any info you could provide as to getting scsisys2.2 would be 
appreciated. 

Tim Fadden

P.S. I do have the abbreviated set from 
rtsi/os9_6809/cocoos9.zip/drivers or wherever exactley they are, but I 
might need some help compiling and getting them to work.  Its been a 
while!   :-)




From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Fri Sep 19 22:47:44 2008
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:47:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks
In-Reply-To: <200809190909.03838.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <20080919021841.A6B5720A3B@qs281.pair.com>
	<5631e580809190534q991b37ew33a0cbaa34be1dad@mail.gmail.com>
	<200809190909.03838.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200809192247.44189.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>


>
> Chuckle.  How many bit on that one?
>
8-) Hehe <sheepishly raised hand>... I did


From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 19 22:50:26 2008
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:50:26 -0500
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <48D26CAB.3060804@att.net>
References: <48D26CAB.3060804@att.net>
Message-ID: <48D464F2.7020403@sbcglobal.net>

A similar thing happen a few years ago with the Railroads and Model 
Railroading. For decades model railroading had used any railroad logo, 
signs, and etc. even the commercial model railroad companies did too. 
Then the railroads decided that all the logos, sign, and etc, including 
lines that no longer existed were copyrighted and tried to force Model 
railroad companies, clubs, and people to buy a license to use these 
items. It took a couple of years, but enough stink was produce that they 
finial back down. It was pointed out in court that since the railroads 
had not tried to enforce the copyrights for decades and had praised the 
hobby  that they had forefited thier rights and trying to enforce it now 
was fruitless. But it took the work of the NMRL, Model Railroad 
companies, and thousands of clubs over two years to convince the courts 
that the railroads had no case. They would have put an entire hobby out 
of business that had has been around for almost 100 years. Besides they 
were asking up to $1,000 for a license for clubs and over $10,000 for 
companies. So sometime the little man can win against the giants but it 
takes a huge effort to do so.

John Donaldson


Frank Swygert wrote:

> Just remember that copyright is like speed limits -- someone has to be 
> there to enforce it or it's really worthless. The copyright was 
> changed at the urging of big companies like Disney who have 
> "commodities" like Mickey Mouse, whose copyright would have expired 
> long ago, that they count on. If you violate a copyright there has to 
> be someone to complain or it's a moot point. But a company like Disney 
> WILL complain! In order to win a judgement they have to prove damages, 
> or that a profit was being made at the least. Most, even Disney and 
> the US auto makers, simply issue a "cease and desist" letter from 
> their legal staff as a first step, then pursue legal action if you 
> continue. I'm not sure if the law requires them to tell you to stop 
> first or not, I would think that it does, but they could continue 
> legal action even if you did quit IF they could prove/suspected you 
> made a substantial amount of money from them. Shortly after Daimler 
> too over Chrysler the legal-beagles went aft
> er clubs that were using the Mopar and other Chrysler logos. they 
> issued cease and desist orders with instructions on how to license the 
> logos. They got a lot of complaints, and lost quite a few customers! 
> They did allow clubs free use, but only after an approval process. 
> Someone finally realized it was costing them a lot for nothing and 
> they stopped messing with the clubs who just sold T-shirts and 
> calendars locally anyway.
> -----------
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:01:16 -0700
> From: shadow at shadowgard.com
>
>> > Copyright doesn't expire that quickly.
>>   
>
>
> Yep. In fact given when the term was changed, *no* personal computer 
> software copyright is going to expire (in the US at least) before 
> 2025. Might even be 2050.
>
> Term is either 50 or 75 years for copyright not owned by the author (I 
> forget which). Thus nothing written after 1975 would expire before the 
> years I gave above.
>
> For stuff where the author has the copyrigt, the clock doesn't start 
> until the author *dies*.
>
> so unless the author has placed the software in the public domain, you 
> are violatimng copyright unless you have his permission.
>
> Oh yeah, if someone *other* than the author say it's in the public 
> domain and you distribute it, relying on their advice and they are 
> wrong, you are still legally liable for the infringement.
>


-- 


From brucewcalkins at charter.net  Fri Sep 19 22:56:14 2008
From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:56:14 -0400
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks
References: <20080919021841.A6B5720A3B@qs281.pair.com><5631e580809190534q991b37ew33a0cbaa34be1dad@mail.gmail.com><200809190909.03838.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<200809192247.44189.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <255AA58DF68447908CB5A5A637DCFFBC@trotter>





> 
>>
>> Chuckle.  How many bit on that one?
>>
> 8-) Hehe <sheepishly raised hand>... I did

Well, after the question, I had to look.  I forwarded it on too.


From kb8wvn at msn.com  Fri Sep 19 22:15:32 2008
From: kb8wvn at msn.com (herojr2002)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:15:32 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] cassette read
Message-ID: <gb1mc4+lvsg@eGroups.com>

Does any have any ideas on a coco3 cassette read problem some times it 
will read tried other players if i turn on audio on i can hear it i 
just get a s and sum times i get io error  



From awe53721 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Sep 19 23:33:20 2008
From: awe53721 at bigpond.net.au (Mr Weston)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:33:20 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: cassette read
In-Reply-To: <gb1mc4+lvsg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gb1qu0+rmgg@eGroups.com>

What make of player are you using ?
 Check the volume, some players had a speed control, make sure all the
leads are in the correct order and are not damaged, Be sure you are
using the right port at the back of the computer. 
 Look in the closet for evil monkeys.
 
 Hope that helps ... :-)




From spam_proof at verizon.net  Fri Sep 19 23:41:20 2008
From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] cassette read
In-Reply-To: <gb1mc4+lvsg@eGroups.com>
References: <gb1mc4+lvsg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <F29A5F8A-239F-4AC1-81EA-933455924B00@verizon.net>

Hmmm.  If you've tried cleaning the heads of the cassette, and at one  
point it did load, maybe the tape is getting old.  If you're trying to  
CLOAD, I have a patch for CLOAD without ?IO ERROR.  I'll look it up  
and send it to you.  It's a small basic program...
                          - Aaron
On Sep 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, herojr2002 wrote:

> Does any have any ideas on a coco3 cassette read problem some times it
> will read tried other players if i turn on audio on i can hear it i
> just get a s and sum times i get io error
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 01:31:40 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:31:40 -0500
Subject: [Coco]  OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
Message-ID: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 I'm curious about this:

 Nitros9 is somewhat faster than OS9 and requires a Hitachi 6309 chip. Of 
course, there's Nitros9-6809 but still, it's Nitros9.

 In recent times, some folks have introduced new hardware which is really 
cool stuff but, the drivers and whatever other software provided in the 
package claim to be  Nitros9 stuff.

 There are a few of these hardware things that interest me. Next month, I'm 
getting three of those Pupo style? keyboard things to put a PC type keyboard 
on a coco.  It's a Plug-N-Play thing that will work. I'm almost out of 
keyboards now.  I think it's Cloud 9 that handles or makes those. It would 
eliminate that darned, fat and cumbersome ribbon cable I use to relocate the 
Coco keyboard.

 The vendors which have other products that interest me, advertise they 
provide Nitros9 drivers.

 This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to date. I 
have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my OS9 L2 system and 
haven't received replies.

  So there are two questions in this post...

 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K CC  or a 
CC3?
 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?

  I suppose if #1 is FALSE and  #2 is TRUE, then I'm in real trouble. I 
think it would take me months to convert to Nitros9, given the time I have 
available. I'm using three cocos at this time. One has a hard drive, the CNC 
coco is not just a CNC coco. The ports are versatile and I have numerous OS9 
boot disks with special boot files, startups and software(B09) dedicated to 
the task at hand. Some use graphics. Converting all this stuff to Nitros9 
would be a monumental task I think. The third coco is a 64K unit and does 
simple tasks for my house. I use OS9 on that one also. I have about a dozen 
special boot disks for that one.  The computer with the hard drive only has 
three. The CNC coco has now has fourteen boot disks. Only two operate the 
milling machine. The rest do suff like  operate my darkroom/enlarger, 
monitoring the weather(looking for water), turning lights on and off... and 
more


 Heck! It seems I"m being left in the dust behind the pack while using OS9 
L2...... Dangit!



 George 



From t.fadden at cox.net  Sat Sep 20 01:51:17 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:51:17 -0700
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
In-Reply-To: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <48D48F55.7060806@cox.net>

I agree. Nitros9 is fine if you are a guru programmer and can create 
your own drivers and programs, But the OS is so stripped down there is 
little left of any use other than to manipulate the os.

I personally would prefer to go a bit slower, and have everything at 
hand.  If I wanna go fast I get on my vista64 machine.

Now much trouble would it be for the people with the know-how and source 
to create the drivers/software to use the new stuff on OS9L2, the 
ORIGINAL coco3 os9 with tons of software available for it.

No disrespect to those who have spent countless hours tweaking and 
creating Nitros9, but I think they have tweaked themselves into a corner.

Tim


George Ramsower wrote:
> I'm curious about this:
>
> Nitros9 is somewhat faster than OS9 and requires a Hitachi 6309 chip. 
> Of course, there's Nitros9-6809 but still, it's Nitros9.
>
> In recent times, some folks have introduced new hardware which is 
> really cool stuff but, the drivers and whatever other software 
> provided in the package claim to be  Nitros9 stuff.
>
> There are a few of these hardware things that interest me. Next month, 
> I'm getting three of those Pupo style? keyboard things to put a PC 
> type keyboard on a coco.  It's a Plug-N-Play thing that will work. I'm 
> almost out of keyboards now.  I think it's Cloud 9 that handles or 
> makes those. It would eliminate that darned, fat and cumbersome ribbon 
> cable I use to relocate the Coco keyboard.
>
> The vendors which have other products that interest me, advertise they 
> provide Nitros9 drivers.
>
> This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to 
> date. I have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my OS9 
> L2 system and haven't received replies.
>
>  So there are two questions in this post...
>
> 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K CC  
> or a CC3?
> 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?
>
>  I suppose if #1 is FALSE and  #2 is TRUE, then I'm in real trouble. I 
> think it would take me months to convert to Nitros9, given the time I 
> have available. I'm using three cocos at this time. One has a hard 
> drive, the CNC coco is not just a CNC coco. The ports are versatile 
> and I have numerous OS9 boot disks with special boot files, startups 
> and software(B09) dedicated to the task at hand. Some use graphics. 
> Converting all this stuff to Nitros9 would be a monumental task I 
> think. The third coco is a 64K unit and does simple tasks for my 
> house. I use OS9 on that one also. I have about a dozen special boot 
> disks for that one.  The computer with the hard drive only has three. 
> The CNC coco has now has fourteen boot disks. Only two operate the 
> milling machine. The rest do suff like  operate my darkroom/enlarger, 
> monitoring the weather(looking for water), turning lights on and 
> off... and more
>
>
> Heck! It seems I"m being left in the dust behind the pack while using 
> OS9 L2...... Dangit!
>
>
>
> George
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From devries.bob at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 02:44:22 2008
From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:44:22 +1000
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house> <48D48F55.7060806@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001101c91aec$52928d70$6602a8c0@aceraspire>

I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that NitrOS9 was at least 90% 
compatible with stock Tandy OS9.

Certainly, I have run all the software which I usually use without any 
problems.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Fadden" <t.fadden at cox.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9


>I agree. Nitros9 is fine if you are a guru programmer and can create your 
>own drivers and programs, But the OS is so stripped down there is little 
>left of any use other than to manipulate the os.
>
> I personally would prefer to go a bit slower, and have everything at hand. 
> If I wanna go fast I get on my vista64 machine.
>
> Now much trouble would it be for the people with the know-how and source 
> to create the drivers/software to use the new stuff on OS9L2, the ORIGINAL 
> coco3 os9 with tons of software available for it.
>
> No disrespect to those who have spent countless hours tweaking and 
> creating Nitros9, but I think they have tweaked themselves into a corner.
>
> Tim
>
>
> George Ramsower wrote:
>> I'm curious about this:
>>
>> Nitros9 is somewhat faster than OS9 and requires a Hitachi 6309 chip. Of 
>> course, there's Nitros9-6809 but still, it's Nitros9.
>>
>> In recent times, some folks have introduced new hardware which is really 
>> cool stuff but, the drivers and whatever other software provided in the 
>> package claim to be  Nitros9 stuff.
>>
>> There are a few of these hardware things that interest me. Next month, 
>> I'm getting three of those Pupo style? keyboard things to put a PC type 
>> keyboard on a coco.  It's a Plug-N-Play thing that will work. I'm almost 
>> out of keyboards now.  I think it's Cloud 9 that handles or makes those. 
>> It would eliminate that darned, fat and cumbersome ribbon cable I use to 
>> relocate the Coco keyboard.
>>
>> The vendors which have other products that interest me, advertise they 
>> provide Nitros9 drivers.
>>
>> This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to date. 
>> I have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my OS9 L2 system 
>> and haven't received replies.
>>
>>  So there are two questions in this post...
>>
>> 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K CC  or 
>> a CC3?
>> 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?
>>
>>  I suppose if #1 is FALSE and  #2 is TRUE, then I'm in real trouble. I 
>> think it would take me months to convert to Nitros9, given the time I 
>> have available. I'm using three cocos at this time. One has a hard drive, 
>> the CNC coco is not just a CNC coco. The ports are versatile and I have 
>> numerous OS9 boot disks with special boot files, startups and 
>> software(B09) dedicated to the task at hand. Some use graphics. 
>> Converting all this stuff to Nitros9 would be a monumental task I think. 
>> The third coco is a 64K unit and does simple tasks for my house. I use 
>> OS9 on that one also. I have about a dozen special boot disks for that 
>> one.  The computer with the hard drive only has three. The CNC coco has 
>> now has fourteen boot disks. Only two operate the milling machine. The 
>> rest do suff like  operate my darkroom/enlarger, monitoring the 
>> weather(looking for water), turning lights on and off... and more
>>
>>
>> Heck! It seems I"m being left in the dust behind the pack while using OS9 
>> L2...... Dangit!
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sat Sep 20 03:38:21 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:38:21 -0400
Subject: [Coco] SCSISYS question
In-Reply-To: <48D454DD.2080305@cox.net>
References: <48D454DD.2080305@cox.net>
Message-ID: <200809200338.22366.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 19 September 2008, Tim Fadden wrote:
>I was following the SCSISYS thread, and had a few questions of my own.
>
>I have scsisys1.1 on my level2 system with a disto 4in1 with no
>multipak, and two quantum 105s drives. I built this around 1992 or so,
>maby later. I used it activly untill about 1998.  In the last month or
>so, I have pulled it out of mothballs an tuned up the hardware and got
>it all working again.  I now see there is a 2.2 version of scsisys.  Is
>this available any where?  Is Matt still around an perhaps be able to
>provide/sell a copy?  I don't really have any problems with this one.
>Just thought the commercial version may have some improvements worth
>getting.

No idea what Matt is doing today.

>As to your thread, I have everything in a pc case, so the cable is less
>than 2 ft.  It was split all the way.  I had no terminators installed.
>Having trouble with /h1 after reviving the coco, I ended up making a
>cable as you describe with all 50 wires except at the controller. Wasn't
>the problem, but I ended up with a better cable! ha ha ha   the
>connectors from the drive assy to the disk circuit board were corroded,
>and after cleaning up all the drive cables I got it working again.
>
>Term power should only supplied by one device on the chain.  with 18in
>cables no term power probably works.
>
If you sacrifice enough virgins.  True scsi is an open collector bus, and must 
have pullups in the form of terminations on each physical end of the cable.  
They try to match the cable impedance, absorbing the echos.  The echo is an 
interchangeable term with vswr in the radio/tv business, and the less vswr 
the better.

>Any hoo, any info you could provide as to getting scsisys2.2 would be
>appreciated.

I think the scsi driver now in Nitros9-3.2.8 is probably its equal if not 
better than 2.2.  The advantage of 2.2 was supposedly enhanced speed, but 
even the original 1.1 could do a megaread in 13 seconds, where theoretical is 
11 at the coco's clock speed.  scsisys-2.2 to a Maxtor 7120s and myram to a 2 
meg disto kit can both do it in 11 seconds so there wasn't a huge difference.

>Tim Fadden
>
>P.S. I do have the abbreviated set from
>rtsi/os9_6809/cocoos9.zip/drivers or wherever exactley they are, but I
>might need some help compiling and getting them to work.  Its been a
>while!   :-)
>
>
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Life is too short to be taken seriously.
		-- Oscar Wilde


From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sat Sep 20 03:45:24 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:45:24 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
In-Reply-To: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <200809200345.24498.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 20 September 2008, George Ramsower wrote:
> I'm curious about this:
>
> Nitros9 is somewhat faster than OS9 and requires a Hitachi 6309 chip. Of
>course, there's Nitros9-6809 but still, it's Nitros9.
>
> In recent times, some folks have introduced new hardware which is really
>cool stuff but, the drivers and whatever other software provided in the
>package claim to be  Nitros9 stuff.
>
> There are a few of these hardware things that interest me. Next month, I'm
>getting three of those Pupo style? keyboard things to put a PC type keyboard
>on a coco.  It's a Plug-N-Play thing that will work. I'm almost out of
>keyboards now.  I think it's Cloud 9 that handles or makes those. It would
>eliminate that darned, fat and cumbersome ribbon cable I use to relocate the
>Coco keyboard.
>
> The vendors which have other products that interest me, advertise they
>provide Nitros9 drivers.
>
> This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to date. I
>have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my OS9 L2 system and
>haven't received replies.
>
>  So there are two questions in this post...
>
> 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K CC  or a
>CC3?
> 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?
>
>  I suppose if #1 is FALSE and  #2 is TRUE, then I'm in real trouble. I
>think it would take me months to convert to Nitros9, given the time I have
>available. I'm using three cocos at this time. One has a hard drive, the CNC
>coco is not just a CNC coco. The ports are versatile and I have numerous OS9
>boot disks with special boot files, startups and software(B09) dedicated to
>the task at hand. Some use graphics. Converting all this stuff to Nitros9
>would be a monumental task I think. The third coco is a 64K unit and does
>simple tasks for my house. I use OS9 on that one also. I have about a dozen
>special boot disks for that one.  The computer with the hard drive only has
>three. The CNC coco has now has fourteen boot disks. Only two operate the
>milling machine. The rest do suff like  operate my darkroom/enlarger,
>monitoring the weather(looking for water), turning lights on and off... and
>more
>
>
> Heck! It seems I"m being left in the dust behind the pack while using OS9
>L2...... Dangit!
>
Nitros9-3.2.8 is os9 L2, with most of its bugs/warts removed.  The biggest 
problem you'll probably have is that modules names have changed, but once 
that is sorted, it should work as well and probably even faster than L2 on a 
6809.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
When in doubt, do what the President does -- guess.


From boisy at tee-boy.com  Sat Sep 20 07:00:20 2008
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:00:20 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
In-Reply-To: <48D48F55.7060806@cox.net>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house> <48D48F55.7060806@cox.net>
Message-ID: <96DEFF83-E855-43AC-8033-623E4867F021@tee-boy.com>

Tim,

NitrOS-9 runs virtually all of the software that was available for  
OS-9 Level Two and OS-9 Level One.  There are exceptions that arise  
due to the renaming of certain modules and the changing of syntax  
(i.e. tmode).

What NitrOS-9 gives the CoCo community is a (mostly) bug-free version  
of OS-9 with all of the patches and enhancements that accumulated over  
the years for OS-9 Level One and OS-9 Level Two.   All of this is  
packaged in a nice distribution which you can download and install  
easily.

I have to take issue with your statements that NitrOS-9 is "stripped  
down" and that the team has "tweaked themselves into a corner."   
Please give specific examples to support these statements.  NitrOS-9  
is more robust than OS-9 from Tandy, and includes more features and  
commands.  How can this be considered stripped down?  As for tweaking  
ourselves into a corner, I'm not even sure what you mean by that.

For some reason, NitrOS-9 has tended to be misunderstood.  It's not a  
different operating system from OS-9.  It is OS-9 with some modules  
renamed, more commands, speed enhancements and supports machines like  
the CoCo 1, CoCo 2, CoCo 3, Dragon 64, Dragon Alpha and Tano Dragon  
across the board with one unified distribution.

NitrOS-9 is the holy grail of OS-9/6809 distribution and unification.

I think it's the name that throws some people off.  We couldn't just  
call it OS-9 V3.0 or OS-9 V4.0.  It had to be named something different.

George, to answer your two questions:

1. Yes, NitrOS-9/6809 Level Two drivers can cross over to OS-9 Level  
Two.
2. Depends on who "we" is.  I see NitrOS-9 as OS-9 Level Two with  
patches and enhancements.  They are virtually the same in every other  
respect.

Regards,
Boisy G. Pitre
--
Tee-Boy
Email: boisy at tee-boy.com
Web: http://www.tee-boy.com

On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Tim Fadden wrote:

> I agree. Nitros9 is fine if you are a guru programmer and can create  
> your own drivers and programs, But the OS is so stripped down there  
> is little left of any use other than to manipulate the os.
>
> I personally would prefer to go a bit slower, and have everything at  
> hand.  If I wanna go fast I get on my vista64 machine.
>
> Now much trouble would it be for the people with the know-how and  
> source to create the drivers/software to use the new stuff on OS9L2,  
> the ORIGINAL coco3 os9 with tons of software available for it.
>
> No disrespect to those who have spent countless hours tweaking and  
> creating Nitros9, but I think they have tweaked themselves into a  
> corner.
>
> Tim
>
>
> George Ramsower wrote:
>> I'm curious about this:
>>
>> Nitros9 is somewhat faster than OS9 and requires a Hitachi 6309  
>> chip. Of course, there's Nitros9-6809 but still, it's Nitros9.
>>
>> In recent times, some folks have introduced new hardware which is  
>> really cool stuff but, the drivers and whatever other software  
>> provided in the package claim to be  Nitros9 stuff.
>>
>> There are a few of these hardware things that interest me. Next  
>> month, I'm getting three of those Pupo style? keyboard things to  
>> put a PC type keyboard on a coco.  It's a Plug-N-Play thing that  
>> will work. I'm almost out of keyboards now.  I think it's Cloud 9  
>> that handles or makes those. It would eliminate that darned, fat  
>> and cumbersome ribbon cable I use to relocate the Coco keyboard.
>>
>> The vendors which have other products that interest me, advertise  
>> they provide Nitros9 drivers.
>>
>> This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to  
>> date. I have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my  
>> OS9 L2 system and haven't received replies.
>>
>> So there are two questions in this post...
>>
>> 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K  
>> CC  or a CC3?
>> 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?
>>
>> I suppose if #1 is FALSE and  #2 is TRUE, then I'm in real trouble.  
>> I think it would take me months to convert to Nitros9, given the  
>> time I have available. I'm using three cocos at this time. One has  
>> a hard drive, the CNC coco is not just a CNC coco. The ports are  
>> versatile and I have numerous OS9 boot disks with special boot  
>> files, startups and software(B09) dedicated to the task at hand.  
>> Some use graphics. Converting all this stuff to Nitros9 would be a  
>> monumental task I think. The third coco is a 64K unit and does  
>> simple tasks for my house. I use OS9 on that one also. I have about  
>> a dozen special boot disks for that one.  The computer with the  
>> hard drive only has three. The CNC coco has now has fourteen boot  
>> disks. Only two operate the milling machine. The rest do suff like   
>> operate my darkroom/enlarger, monitoring the weather(looking for  
>> water), turning lights on and off... and more
>>
>>
>> Heck! It seems I"m being left in the dust behind the pack while  
>> using OS9 L2...... Dangit!
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep 20 08:30:42 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:30:42 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
In-Reply-To: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <A015FE96-5AFB-40D1-84AA-41BD80935BF5@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 20, 2008, at 1:31 AM, George Ramsower wrote:

>
> This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to  
> date. I have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my  
> OS9 L2 system and haven't received replies.
>
>  So there are two questions in this post...
>
> 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K  
> CC  or a CC3?
> 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?
>

OS-9 drivers are interchangeable with NitrOS-9 drivers.  When I write  
drivers, etc. I refer to the OS-9 Level II Technical Reference Manual  
and this works out fine.  As is the usual case, Level I drivers may  
differ from Level II drivers, but this is true of OS-9 as well as  
NitrOS-9.

I'm not sure I understand your second question; NitrOS-9 _is_ OS-9,  
with a slightly different name.  It carries bug fixes, feature  
enhancements, etc. that make life a lot easier.  E.g., ever tried to  
use the stock FORMAT command to format a hard disk?  You won't get far..

In my experience NitrOS-9 is 99% compatible with OS-9.  The 1% is  
mostly due to stupid things like syntax changes that are easy to fix.

I tend not to use the 6309 versions, btw.  Just 6809 NitrOS-9.

C.



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep 20 08:57:44 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:57:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
In-Reply-To: <A015FE96-5AFB-40D1-84AA-41BD80935BF5@serialtechnologies.com>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<A015FE96-5AFB-40D1-84AA-41BD80935BF5@serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <8BD6F9CF-9025-41DF-A745-DB4587DD3BC0@serialtechnologies.com>

Oh, one thing to add.  One BIG reason why I use NitrOS-9 instead of  
OS-9 is that it comes with source!  That is always useful.. when I  
have a question that the technical documentation can't answer, I can  
simply peruse the source code.  The NitrOS-9 project has  
disassembled, commented, and tweaked all the modules over time.   
Saves me the trouble.

OS-9 is one of those systems that is small enough for one person to  
understand the whole system thoroughly (can't say the same of Linux  
anymore, I don't even think that Linus has much more than a birds-eye  
view of some large subsystems)..

C.



From alxevans at concentric.net  Sat Sep 20 10:14:15 2008
From: alxevans at concentric.net (Theodore (Alex) Evans)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Coco] mikeyterm (software copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <48D464F2.7020403@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48D26CAB.3060804@att.net> <48D464F2.7020403@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48D50537.5030301@concentric.net>

A little bit of nit picking, but when you are talking about logos you 
are not talking about copyright, you are talking about trademark.  The 
thing about trade marks is that if you don't enforce your rights, you 
lose them, this is not true of copyrights.


From gcastora63 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 20 11:44:45 2008
From: gcastora63 at sbcglobal.net (Greg Castora)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] cassette read
In-Reply-To: <gb1mc4+lvsg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <151897.50604.qm@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

One other thing you might try, if you haven't done it already, is to clean the head on the tape player/recorder and/or demagnatize it. Sometimes a little dirt or debris can cause the cassette to not read properly.

Just a thought.
Greg

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--- On Fri, 9/19/08, herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com> wrote:
From: herojr2002 <kb8wvn at msn.com>
Subject: [Color Computer] cassette read
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 9:15 PM










    
            Does any have any ideas on a coco3 cassette read problem some times it 

will read tried other players if i turn on audio on i can hear it i 

just get a s and sum times i get io error  




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


From spam_proof at verizon.net  Sat Sep 20 12:12:20 2008
From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:12:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] CLOAD without ?IO ERROR
Message-ID: <0AF64DA1-1E2A-47BF-885E-B8A17177D10F@verizon.net>

I may have already posted it before, but with the talk about cassettes  
recently, thought I'd post it again.

This little piece of code was originally written for my (very very  
old) coco.  I'm not sure if it works on a Coco3.


1  FOR X = 42136 TO 42301
2  POKE X-21136, PEEK(X)
3  NEXT X
4  POKE 157,82
5  POKE 158,8
6  POKE 21075, 33
7  EXEC

Note that lines 5 and 6 just set up the EXEC vector address.   Line 6  
is the important one that pokes a NOP over what would have otherwise  
stopped the cassette and given you an error.

This was written based on a ROM that happened to be in my original  
coco (ECB 1.0).  CLOAD came out of the non-extended BASIC chip, which  
who knows if it is the same in the Coco3.  You won't somehow harm your  
computer or your tape by trying this program out (unless you press  
"record")....

This program should run on any color computer that has at least 32K.   
There's really no reason why it couldn't be rewritten to function on  
any coco, even a 4K one..  If anyone has a version that might work  
with a more "modern" (as if there is such a thing) coco, feel free to  
update this...
                                                 - Aaron


From ed.orbea at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 12:42:25 2008
From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:42:25 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Looking for Rainbug
Message-ID: <48D527F1.4020709@gmail.com>

In late 82 and early 83 there was a series of articles of creating 
monitor program for the CoCo called Rainbug and was written by Dan 
Downard. I would like to start "playing" with IDE and Portal-9 since I 
recently purchased them, and feel this would be a good start to getting 
back into CoCo assembly programming.

I have searched RTSI, Maltedmedia, etc can cannot find either the source 
code or the executable. I have been following the process of scanning 
and uploading past issues of Rainbow and have hoped to be able to get 
all the articles/patches, but have not been successful.

If anybody has the complete source code or all the articles, I would be 
interested in obtaining a copy.

Thanks



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep 20 12:45:28 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Looking for Rainbug
In-Reply-To: <48D527F1.4020709@gmail.com>
References: <48D527F1.4020709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1646481-3CEB-475C-921D-6F223B879104@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Ed Orbea wrote:
>
>
> If anybody has the complete source code or all the articles, I  
> would be interested in obtaining a copy.
>

I most likely have them.  I will look on Monday, I'm at the summer  
house atm.

C.




From jcewy at swbell.net  Sat Sep 20 13:23:54 2008
From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Coco] high-density disks
In-Reply-To: <1221761198.8052.22.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1221761198.8052.22.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <48D531AA.1050800@swbell.net>

Chuck Youse wrote:
> Seems I can't find an appropriate density bit for IT.TYP in my 3.5"
> high-density floppy disk descriptor.  There's DNS.FM and DNS.MFM - which
> are used for single and double density, respectively.  In my case I need
> to distinguish between 250KB/s (standard MFM) and high-density
> (500KB/s), depending upon the drive attached.  Any ideas folks?  New
> DNS.blah for high-density (which I believe is _still_ MFM, technically,
> which means we'd have yet-another-misnomer to deal with)?
>
> C.
>
>   

FWIW, here's how it's done in OS-9/68K.  The descriptor has a 'rates'
field in addition to density.  Following is the output of 'dmode /d0' on
the MM/1, where /d0 is a high-density 3.5" disk, and the help file for
dmode, which describes the descriptor bits:

name=d0
 drv=0 stp=3 typ=$26 dns=$03 cyl=80 sid=2 vfy=0 (on) sct=37 t0s=37
 sas=8 ilv=2 tfm=0 toffs=0 soffs=0 ssize=256 cntl=$0000 trys=7 lun=0
 wpc=0 rwr=0 park=0 lsnoffs=0 totcyls=80 ctrlrid=0 rates=$30
 scsiopt=$0000 maxcount=65535

    
    drv      Drive Number  0...n
    stp      Step Rate     0 = 30ms, 1 = 20ms, 2 = 12ms, 3 = 6ms (5")
                           0 = 15ms, 1 = 10ms, 2 = 6ms, 3 = 3ms (8")
    typ      Device Type   bit0 - 0 = 5"   1 = 8" (old method)
                           bits 0-4 (new method)
                               3 = 8"  4 = 5"  6 = 3.5"
                           bit5 - 0 = OS9  1 = DD trk 0
                           bit7 - 0 = flop 1 = hard
    dns      Density       bit0 - 0 = SD   1 = DD
                           bit1 - 0 = 48   1 = 96 tpi
    cyl      Cylinders
    sid      Sides (heads)
    vfy      Verify (0 = yes)
    sct      Sectors/Track
    t0s      Sectors/Track on track 0
    ilv      Interleave
    sas      Segment allocation size
    tfm      DMA transfer mode
    toffs    Track base offset
    soffs    Sector base offset
    ssize    Sector size
    cntl     Control word  bit0 - 1 = format inhibit
                           bit1 - 1 = multi-sector
                           bit2 - 1 = device has stable ID
                           bit3 - 1 = device tells size (SS_DSize)
                           bit4 - 1 = device allows 'format track'
    trys     Retries (0 = no retries)
    lun      SCSI logical unit number
    wpc      Write precomp start cyl
    rwr      Reduce write current start cyl
    park     Park cyl number
    lsnoffs  Partition start sector
    totcyls  Total cylinders on device
    ctrlrid  SCSI controller ID
    rates    Transfer rate bits 7-4            3-0
                            0 = 125 Kbps   0 = 300 rpm
                            1 = 250 Kbps   1 = 360 rpm
                            2 = 300 Kbps   2 = 600 rpm
                            3 = 500 Kbps
                            4 =   1 Mbps
                            5 =   2 Mbps
                            6 =   5 Mbps
    scsiopt  SCSI options  bit0 - 1 = assert ATN supported
                           bit1 - 1 = target mode supported
                           bit2 - 1 = synchronous transfers ok
                           bit3 - 1 = enable SCSI parity

JCE

>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>   



From t.fadden at cox.net  Sat Sep 20 13:35:29 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:35:29 -0700
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
In-Reply-To: <001101c91aec$52928d70$6602a8c0@aceraspire>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house> <48D48F55.7060806@cox.net>
	<001101c91aec$52928d70$6602a8c0@aceraspire>
Message-ID: <48D53461.5070304@cox.net>

To Bob and all,

I beg your pardon for speaking from emotion, and perception. (always a 
risky start!)  Its been a long time since I originally got my os9 hard 
drive system up and running, and when I look at the over 400 commands I 
have there compared to the 84 on the Nitros9, at first glance it looks 
stripped. Also as an example, the dir command is stripped to 2 options 
from the 7 options, and wild card usage with the dir I have. Perhaps the 
dir I have is not stock. But those are some of my first impressions. 
Again to be fair thats like comparing a 30 year old tackle box to a 
brand new one!  sorry! 

I have been  working on getting Nitros9 on a real floppy in order to 
start working with it.  But up until recently the only way has been to 
build a new/old PC.  I don't want another PC.  Fortunately thanks to You 
Bob.  I have found a way!  os9dsk!  I zmodem'd the .dsk images to my 
coco, and at first glance appeared to be going to work, but I believe 
os9dsk only works with single sided 160k images. Is this so? When I get 
time, I will try to learn the source and figure it out.  It does a dir 
fine on the double sided images, but after about 1/2 why through using 
-proc to pull the files off, garbage goes to the text screen, some times 
a lock up, :-) and thats all I get.   So for now I am using vcc to put 
the Nitros9 files on  40tss images and will transfer them over, and see 
what I can get.

Perhaps I will write my memoirs of the process. :-)

Tim Fadden

 Bob Devries wrote:
> I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that NitrOS9 was at 
> least 90% compatible with stock Tandy OS9.
>
> Certainly, I have run all the software which I usually use without any 
> problems.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fadden" <t.fadden at cox.net>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
>
>
>> I agree. Nitros9 is fine if you are a guru programmer and can create 
>> your own drivers and programs, But the OS is so stripped down there 
>> is little left of any use other than to manipulate the os.
>>
>> I personally would prefer to go a bit slower, and have everything at 
>> hand. If I wanna go fast I get on my vista64 machine.
>>
>> Now much trouble would it be for the people with the know-how and 
>> source to create the drivers/software to use the new stuff on OS9L2, 
>> the ORIGINAL coco3 os9 with tons of software available for it.
>>
>> No disrespect to those who have spent countless hours tweaking and 
>> creating Nitros9, but I think they have tweaked themselves into a 
>> corner.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> George Ramsower wrote:
>>> I'm curious about this:
>>>
>>> Nitros9 is somewhat faster than OS9 and requires a Hitachi 6309 
>>> chip. Of course, there's Nitros9-6809 but still, it's Nitros9.
>>>
>>> In recent times, some folks have introduced new hardware which is 
>>> really cool stuff but, the drivers and whatever other software 
>>> provided in the package claim to be  Nitros9 stuff.
>>>
>>> There are a few of these hardware things that interest me. Next 
>>> month, I'm getting three of those Pupo style? keyboard things to put 
>>> a PC type keyboard on a coco.  It's a Plug-N-Play thing that will 
>>> work. I'm almost out of keyboards now.  I think it's Cloud 9 that 
>>> handles or makes those. It would eliminate that darned, fat and 
>>> cumbersome ribbon cable I use to relocate the Coco keyboard.
>>>
>>> The vendors which have other products that interest me, advertise 
>>> they provide Nitros9 drivers.
>>>
>>> This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to 
>>> date. I have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my OS9 
>>> L2 system and haven't received replies.
>>>
>>>  So there are two questions in this post...
>>>
>>> 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K 
>>> CC  or a CC3?
>>> 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?
>>>
>>>  I suppose if #1 is FALSE and  #2 is TRUE, then I'm in real trouble. 
>>> I think it would take me months to convert to Nitros9, given the 
>>> time I have available. I'm using three cocos at this time. One has a 
>>> hard drive, the CNC coco is not just a CNC coco. The ports are 
>>> versatile and I have numerous OS9 boot disks with special boot 
>>> files, startups and software(B09) dedicated to the task at hand. 
>>> Some use graphics. Converting all this stuff to Nitros9 would be a 
>>> monumental task I think. The third coco is a 64K unit and does 
>>> simple tasks for my house. I use OS9 on that one also. I have about 
>>> a dozen special boot disks for that one.  The computer with the hard 
>>> drive only has three. The CNC coco has now has fourteen boot disks. 
>>> Only two operate the milling machine. The rest do suff like  operate 
>>> my darkroom/enlarger, monitoring the weather(looking for water), 
>>> turning lights on and off... and more
>>>
>>>
>>> Heck! It seems I"m being left in the dust behind the pack while 
>>> using OS9 L2...... Dangit!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco 
>
>
> -- 
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>



From tlindner at macmess.org  Sat Sep 20 13:36:24 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:36:24 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CoCoMag project server
Message-ID: <1inkapc.10qkji814z8rhmM%tlindner@macmess.org>

My server quit functioning today. I swear, all I was doing was
installing more RAM. :)

Now it won't boot up. :(

I'm going to give it a rest for a little bit. Then try again tomarrow.

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From t.fadden at cox.net  Sat Sep 20 13:43:06 2008
From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:43:06 -0700
Subject: [Coco] SCSISYS question
In-Reply-To: <200809200338.22366.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <48D454DD.2080305@cox.net>
	<200809200338.22366.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <48D5362A.3080905@cox.net>

Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>
>   
>> As to your thread, I have everything in a pc case, so the cable is less
>> than 2 ft.  It was split all the way.  I had no terminators installed.
>> Having trouble with /h1 after reviving the coco, I ended up making a
>> cable as you describe with all 50 wires except at the controller. Wasn't
>> the problem, but I ended up with a better cable! ha ha ha   the
>> connectors from the drive assy to the disk circuit board were corroded,
>> and after cleaning up all the drive cables I got it working again.
>>
>> Term power should only supplied by one device on the chain.  with 18in
>> cables no term power probably works.
>>
>>     
> If you sacrifice enough virgins.  True scsi is an open collector bus, and must 
> have pullups in the form of terminations on each physical end of the cable.  
> They try to match the cable impedance, absorbing the echos.  The echo is an 
> interchangeable term with vswr in the radio/tv business, and the less vswr 
> the better.
>
>   
Ha Ha Ha,  I am not real up on the technical specifications only 
speaking from 20 years of working with
scsi systems as a support engineer for Sun Microsystems.  What is 
correct/spec, and what you can get by
with are not always the same. :-)

>> Any hoo, any info you could provide as to getting scsisys2.2 would be
>> appreciated.
>>     
>
> I think the scsi driver now in Nitros9-3.2.8 is probably its equal if not 
> better than 2.2.  The advantage of 2.2 was supposedly enhanced speed, but 
> even the original 1.1 could do a megaread in 13 seconds, where theoretical is 
> 11 at the coco's clock speed.  scsisys-2.2 to a Maxtor 7120s and myram to a 2 
> meg disto kit can both do it in 11 seconds so there wasn't a huge difference.
>
>   
I will look into this,  up to now, I have not seen much for Disto 4in1 
controllers with no multipak. And not
being intimate with the code, I wouldn't  know just what to tweek to 
make them work!


Thanks for the reply.

Tim Fadden




From chargeron at cox.net  Sat Sep 20 13:55:48 2008
From: chargeron at cox.net (chargeron)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:55:48 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mm1 for sale on ebay
In-Reply-To: <gb1qu0+rmgg@eGroups.com>
References: <gb1qu0+rmgg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <48D53924.2020100@cox.net>

I am selling my MM1 on ebay
Item number: 170263332781
anyone interested??

The /Multi-Media One/ was introduced in July 1990, ran OS-9/68K on a 15 
MHz Signetics 68070 processor with 3 MB RAM, and had a 640x208 graphics 
resolution as well as supporting a 640x416 interlaced mode. It included 
a SCSI interface, stereo A/D and D/A conversion, an optional 
midi interface, and (later) an optional board to upgrade the CPU to a 
Motorola 68340 running at up to 25 MHz. It is estimated that about 500 
units were sold

Computer  only , Monitor, keyboard and mouse optional


Ron Delvaux
623-687-0948


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep 20 14:42:20 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:42:20 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] mm1 for sale on ebay
In-Reply-To: <48D53924.2020100@cox.net>
References: <gb1qu0+rmgg@eGroups.com> <48D53924.2020100@cox.net>
Message-ID: <833216B2-4DB8-48FD-9CA0-25231AF6299F@serialtechnologies.com>

Doesn't mention if it includes the OS9/68K software and manuals -  
does it?

C.



From theother_bob at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 20 14:58:23 2008
From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:58:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Miikeyterm
Message-ID: <34662.96147.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





----- Original Message ----
From: Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Miikeyterm


<-relevant content intentionally left blank->

"The Internet is like a series of tubes. Little trucks carry stuff through 
the tubes. Sometimes things fall off the backs of the little trucks".


LMAO!!!


      


From rcrislip at neo.rr.com  Sat Sep 20 16:22:36 2008
From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Coco] NitrOS9 dsk's
In-Reply-To: <96DEFF83-E855-43AC-8033-623E4867F021@tee-boy.com>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house> <48D48F55.7060806@cox.net>
	<96DEFF83-E855-43AC-8033-623E4867F021@tee-boy.com>
Message-ID: <200809201622.36442.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>

Hi Boisy, Good to see you are still here.

I have a couple questions... will one really. I know that you are a hardware 
kinda guy, but I am trying to get the latest Nitros running on David Kell's 
emulator and when I type in DOS I get nothing except the RSDOS prompt. I 
downloaded the DSK images from the Source Forge and loaded the impage into 
the simulated drive. Am I missing something here? TIA


From boisy at tee-boy.com  Sat Sep 20 16:42:30 2008
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:42:30 -0500
Subject: [Coco] NitrOS9 dsk's
In-Reply-To: <200809201622.36442.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house> <48D48F55.7060806@cox.net>
	<96DEFF83-E855-43AC-8033-623E4867F021@tee-boy.com>
	<200809201622.36442.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C28745CD-A152-42C7-A050-6214CC85AC8E@tee-boy.com>

Hi Richard,

I'm still here.  Never left, just lurking.

The only thing that comes to mind is that the disk images are double- 
sided.  The emulator may require you to set up something to handle  
this.  I don't use the emulator so I cannot say for sure.

On Sep 20, 2008, at 3:22 PM, richec wrote:

> Hi Boisy, Good to see you are still here.
>
> I have a couple questions... will one really. I know that you are a  
> hardware
> kinda guy, but I am trying to get the latest Nitros running on David  
> Kell's
> emulator and when I type in DOS I get nothing except the RSDOS  
> prompt. I
> downloaded the DSK images from the Source Forge and loaded the  
> impage into
> the simulated drive. Am I missing something here? TIA
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

Regards,
Boisy G. Pitre
--
Tee-Boy
Email: boisy at tee-boy.com
Web: http://www.tee-boy.com



From lamune at doki-doki.net  Sat Sep 20 17:00:01 2008
From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:00:01 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CLOAD without ?IO ERROR
In-Reply-To: <0AF64DA1-1E2A-47BF-885E-B8A17177D10F@verizon.net>
References: <0AF64DA1-1E2A-47BF-885E-B8A17177D10F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D761@fenestra.lamunet.local>

> This program should run on any color computer that has at least 32K.

Um, probably not, but I haven't tried it. Suffice it to say though,
except for the "documented" ROM routines, pretty much everything is
moved around in differing ROM versions. It's not likely to work on
anything except color basic 1.0



From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Sat Sep 20 18:58:39 2008
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:58:39 -0400
Subject: [Coco] NitrOS9 dsk's
In-Reply-To: <200809201622.36442.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<48D48F55.7060806@cox.net>	<96DEFF83-E855-43AC-8033-623E4867F021@tee-boy.com>
	<200809201622.36442.rcrislip@neo.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48D5801F.50309@worldnet.att.net>

richec wrote:
> Hi Boisy, Good to see you are still here.
> 
> I have a couple questions... will one really. I know that you are a hardware 
> kinda guy, but I am trying to get the latest Nitros running on David Kell's 
> emulator and when I type in DOS I get nothing except the RSDOS prompt. I 
> downloaded the DSK images from the Source Forge and loaded the impage into 
> the simulated drive. Am I missing something here? TIA
> 

NitrOS-9 works on the Keil emulator. I just tested 6309 NitrOS-9 on with 
the 6309 version of Keil. There is one problem that must be satisfied 
for this to work.

NitrOS-9 is distributed on a JVC type disk image. While this works with 
the Keil emulator it is not the native format. Best results or maybe the 
only way to run NitrOS-9 is from a .dmk image. For some, this could be a 
Catch-22 situation.

I use several emulators so have available wimgtool from MESS. I used 
this program to create an 80 track double sided .dmk OS-9 disk image. I 
mounted this image and a NitrOS-9 distribution disk (renamed to .os9) in 
MESS and booted NitrOS-9. Just to be sure I then formatted the blank 
.dmk image and then backed up the JVC .os9 disk to the .dmk disk.

The new .dmk version of the NitrOS-9 distribution disk booted and ran 
normally using the Keil emulator.

=========================
Anyone who has problems reproducing the above can contact me directly 
and I'll try to talk you through the procedure.


From mechacoco at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 19:20:24 2008
From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:20:24 -0600
Subject: [Coco] CLOAD without ?IO ERROR
In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D761@fenestra.lamunet.local>
References: <0AF64DA1-1E2A-47BF-885E-B8A17177D10F@verizon.net>
	<4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D761@fenestra.lamunet.local>
Message-ID: <5d802cd0809201620v23d36cbfxbf4d0bfac82d683@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/20/08, Mike Pepe wrote:
>> This program should run on any color computer that has at least 32K.
>
> Um, probably not, but I haven't tried it. Suffice it to say though,
> except for the "documented" ROM routines, pretty much everything is
> moved around in differing ROM versions. It's not likely to work on
> anything except color basic 1.0
>

-----

The Disk Basic ROM is the only one where "pretty much everything is
moved around". The Color Basic and Extended Basic ROMS keep almost
everything in the same location, and have only minor patches applied.

The CLOAD code which Aaron's program copies is identical in all
versions of the Color Basic ROMS (1.0 - 1.3) and in CoCo 3 ROM.  So
yes, it will likely work on any CoCo with at least 32K RAM.

Here is a version that should work on CoCo's with 16K RAM:

1  CLEAR 20, 16099
2  FOR X = 42136 TO 42301
3  POKE X-26036, PEEK(X)
4  NEXT X
5  POKE 16175, 33
6  EXEC 16100


Darren


From games at ameliasarcade.com  Sat Sep 20 19:41:41 2008
From: games at ameliasarcade.com (games at ameliasarcade.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:41:41 -0700
Subject: [Coco] if anyone's interested
Message-ID: <20080920164141.1ae7798ab0ba05c8320885d358bd94a0.566ed26484.wbe@email.secureserver.net>



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sat Sep 20 20:10:44 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:10:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] if anyone's interested
In-Reply-To: <20080920164141.1ae7798ab0ba05c8320885d358bd94a0.566ed26484.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20080920164141.1ae7798ab0ba05c8320885d358bd94a0.566ed26484.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <84F83676-9F77-47F4-83E6-46AA98540AC5@serialtechnologies.com>

Interesting buffered Y-cable design - but the big question is - how  
do you generate DISABLE?  That's crucial, otherwise the '245 driver  
will clobber the bus, resulting in a non-functional CoCo.

http://fpgacpld.fortunecity.com//images/ycable/1.jpg


From tlindner at macmess.org  Sat Sep 20 20:41:03 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:41:03 -0700
Subject: [Coco] CoCoMag project server
In-Reply-To: <1inkapc.10qkji814z8rhmM%tlindner@macmess.org>
Message-ID: <1inkudw.1v4xgcg1vqe18oM%tlindner@macmess.org>

tim lindner <tlindner at macmess.org> wrote:

> My server quit functioning today. I swear, all I was doing was
> installing more RAM. :)
> 
> Now it won't boot up. :(
> 
> I'm going to give it a rest for a little bit. Then try again tomarrow.

All back up.

<http://cocomag.dyndns.org/UnderColor.shtml>

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From coconut at pritchard.ca  Sat Sep 20 21:31:24 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:31:24 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: GIMIX system related documentation update.
Message-ID: <2A88C668-B916-43DF-9AAD-4D653ED171E8@pritchard.ca>

Hi everyone,

There is this site called maltedmedia.com.  I wonder how long it will  
take for the following files to get moved from the incoming folder to  
a more permanent home?  Or if they will even be accepted ;).

120MB total size for all files, a result of using Apple Preview to  
move and add pages.  When I use that application to compress the file  
it loses clarity.  So I just let it go at it's default setting.  The  
original scans were smaller, but that was using an IBM / Lexmark MFP  
Scanner.

Anyway the list of files is smaller than my previous post because I  
took the time to review the duplicates, keeping only one good copy.

Scanned GIMIX GHOST related documentation:
=====================================
6800-6809 Mother Board - Baud Rate Generator -  Power Supply  
Information.pdf
BASIC09 Programming Language Reference Manual - REV H.pdf
CRC Generator Board for OS-9 GMX III - User's Manual - REV  
Preliminary.pdf
FLEX Programmer's Manual.pdf
FLEX User's Manual.pdf
GIMIX 64K Byte NMOS Static RAM Board for the SS-50 + SS-50C bus - REV  
A.pdf
GIMIX Serial IO Processor Firmware For OS-9 - Version Identification -  
REV A.pdf
GIMIX Warranty.pdf
GMX 256K Byte Static RAM Board - User's Manual - REV B.pdf
GMX 6809 CPU III Microprocessor Board - User's Manual - partial copy  
but has some annotatons.pdf
GMX 6809 CPU III Microprocessor Board - User's Manual.pdf
GMX DMA III - Double Density Floppy Disk Controller - User's Manual.pdf
GMX DMA SASI Interface Board - User's Manual - REV A.pdf
GMX Intelligent 3-Port RS-232 Serial IO Interface - User's Manual -  
REV Preliminary.pdf
GMX Intelligent 3-Port RS-232 Serial IO Interface - Version II -  
User's Manual.pdf
GMX Intelligent 3-Port Serial IO Firmware Ver. 2 - User's Manual - REV  
B.pdf
GMX Intelligent 3-Port Serial Interface OS-9 Software Version 1.0.pdf
GMX Intelligent 4-Port RS-232 Serial IO Interface - User's Manual.pdf
GMX Intelligent 4-Port Serial IO Processor Firmware Ver.2 - User's  
Manual.pdf
GMX Power Supply Information.pdf
GMX Two Port RS-232C Serial Interface Board - User's Manual.pdf
Motorola MC14411 Bit Rate Generator.pdf
O-FLEX - FLEX Operating System for OS-9 Level II - User's Manual.pdf
OS-9 Editor - Assembler - Debugger Manual.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.1 10-MAY-1983 - REV C.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.2 14-SEP-1983 - REV E.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.2 14-SEP-1983 - REV F.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Manual Addenda - Version 1.2 14-SEP-1983 - REV J.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Support ROM - User's Manual - REV B.pdf
OS-9 GMX III Support ROM - User's Manual - REV C.pdf
OS-9 OPERATING SYSTEM - System Programmer's Manual - REV H.pdf
OS-9 OPERATING SYSTEM - User's Manual - REV H.pdf
Reading and Writing Color Computer OS-9 Disks on GIMIX OS-9 Systems -  
REV B.pdf
SS-50C Motherboard and Baud Rate Generator - User's Manual.pdf
Specification for model OMTI 20C-1 Intelligent Controller for 5.25  
inch Winchester Drives.pdf
System Configuration Information - REV C.pdf
System Configuration Information - REV D.pdf
TEAC FD-55D - Mini Flexible Disk Drive Specification.pdf
Universal 2-Port Parrallel Interface Board - User's Manual - REV A.pdf
VERTEX V100 Series OEM Maintenance Manual.pdf

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies





From georgeramsower at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 23:22:37 2008
From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:22:37 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
Message-ID: <002c01c91b99$4ca41de0$d4b1b1d8@house>

 Thanks everyone, for such good input on this. I'm inspired now to try once 
again, to build a boot disk for my coco3 which uses a hard drive. I still 
have the stuff  in a bootlist file on my hard drive to run OS9Gen to make 
another Nitros9 boot disk and the script to build the CMDS directory and the 
STARTUP file.


 When I tried to use Nitros9 previously, I could not get it to see the hard 
disk. I think it was something in the Dmode util that came with Nitros9 that 
was messing with me.
 It is obviously different.  The suggestions offered from this list did not 
work and finally, I gave up.

 My OS9-L2 system is stable. I've left it running Basic09 programs for days, 
sometime weeks at a time, monitoring things and it just keeps chuggin' along 
like an old steam locomotive. Slow and steady! That's my coco.

George

> From: "George Ramsower"

> I'm curious about this:
>
> Nitros9 is somewhat faster than OS9 and requires a Hitachi 6309 chip. Of 
> course, there's Nitros9-6809 but still, it's Nitros9.
>
> In recent times, some folks have introduced new hardware which is really 
> cool stuff but, the drivers and whatever other software provided in the 
> package claim to be  Nitros9 stuff.
>
> There are a few of these hardware things that interest me. Next month, I'm 
> getting three of those Pupo style? keyboard things to put a PC type 
> keyboard on a coco.  It's a Plug-N-Play thing that will work. I'm almost 
> out of keyboards now.  I think it's Cloud 9 that handles or makes those. 
> It would eliminate that darned, fat and cumbersome ribbon cable I use to 
> relocate the Coco keyboard.
>
> The vendors which have other products that interest me, advertise they 
> provide Nitros9 drivers.
>
> This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to date. 
> I have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my OS9 L2 system 
> and haven't received replies.
>
>  So there are two questions in this post...
>
> 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K CC  or a 
> CC3?
> 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?
>
>  I suppose if #1 is FALSE and  #2 is TRUE, then I'm in real trouble. I 
> think it would take me months to convert to Nitros9, given the time I have 
> available. I'm using three cocos at this time. One has a hard drive, the 
> CNC coco is not just a CNC coco. The ports are versatile and I have 
> numerous OS9 boot disks with special boot files, startups and 
> software(B09) dedicated to the task at hand. Some use graphics. Converting 
> all this stuff to Nitros9 would be a monumental task I think. The third 
> coco is a 64K unit and does simple tasks for my house. I use OS9 on that 
> one also. I have about a dozen special boot disks for that one.  The 
> computer with the hard drive only has three. The CNC coco has now has 
> fourteen boot disks. Only two operate the milling machine. The rest do 
> suff like  operate my darkroom/enlarger, monitoring the weather(looking 
> for water), turning lights on and off... and more
>
>
> Heck! It seems I"m being left in the dust behind the pack while using OS9 
> L2...... Dangit!



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sat Sep 20 23:41:05 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:41:05 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
In-Reply-To: <48D53461.5070304@cox.net>
References: <003301c91ae2$292bb0b0$d4b1b1d8@house>
	<001101c91aec$52928d70$6602a8c0@aceraspire> <48D53461.5070304@cox.net>
Message-ID: <200809202341.06194.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Saturday 20 September 2008, Tim Fadden wrote:
>To Bob and all,
>
>I beg your pardon for speaking from emotion, and perception. (always a
>risky start!)  Its been a long time since I originally got my os9 hard
>drive system up and running, and when I look at the over 400 commands I
>have there compared to the 84 on the Nitros9, at first glance it looks
>stripped. Also as an example, the dir command is stripped to 2 options
>from the 7 options, and wild card usage with the dir I have. Perhaps the
>dir I have is not stock. But those are some of my first impressions.
>Again to be fair thats like comparing a 30 year old tackle box to a
>brand new one!  sorry!
>
>I have been  working on getting Nitros9 on a real floppy in order to
>start working with it.  But up until recently the only way has been to
>build a new/old PC.  I don't want another PC.  Fortunately thanks to You
>Bob.  I have found a way!  os9dsk!  I zmodem'd the .dsk images to my
>coco, and at first glance appeared to be going to work, but I believe
>os9dsk only works with single sided 160k images. Is this so? When I get
>time, I will try to learn the source and figure it out.  It does a dir
>fine on the double sided images, but after about 1/2 why through using
>-proc to pull the files off, garbage goes to the text screen, some times
>a lock up, :-) and thats all I get.   So for now I am using vcc to put
>the Nitros9 files on  40tss images and will transfer them over, and see
>what I can get.
>
>Perhaps I will write my memoirs of the process. :-)
>
>Tim Fadden
>
How handy are you with basic09?

If you format a 3.5" disk to 720k (use a DD diskette), then it should be easy 
for basic09 to open one of those .dsk images, find out how big it is, divide 
that by 256 to get the number of sectors it is, then open the disk drive 
using the /dx@ syntax so its a raw write, read 256 bytes from the .dsk, write 
it to the floppy, and loop/repeat until all the .dsk has been read, and all 
of it has been written to the floppy disk.

If you did it right, it should boot.

The .dsk is an image of the floppy.  Nothing special.

> Bob Devries wrote:
>> I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that NitrOS9 was at
>> least 90% compatible with stock Tandy OS9.
>>
>> Certainly, I have run all the software which I usually use without any
>> problems.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fadden" <t.fadden at cox.net>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] OS9-L2 vs NitrOS9
>>
>>> I agree. Nitros9 is fine if you are a guru programmer and can create
>>> your own drivers and programs, But the OS is so stripped down there
>>> is little left of any use other than to manipulate the os.
>>>
>>> I personally would prefer to go a bit slower, and have everything at
>>> hand. If I wanna go fast I get on my vista64 machine.
>>>
>>> Now much trouble would it be for the people with the know-how and
>>> source to create the drivers/software to use the new stuff on OS9L2,
>>> the ORIGINAL coco3 os9 with tons of software available for it.
>>>
>>> No disrespect to those who have spent countless hours tweaking and
>>> creating Nitros9, but I think they have tweaked themselves into a
>>> corner.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> George Ramsower wrote:
>>>> I'm curious about this:
>>>>
>>>> Nitros9 is somewhat faster than OS9 and requires a Hitachi 6309
>>>> chip. Of course, there's Nitros9-6809 but still, it's Nitros9.
>>>>
>>>> In recent times, some folks have introduced new hardware which is
>>>> really cool stuff but, the drivers and whatever other software
>>>> provided in the package claim to be  Nitros9 stuff.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few of these hardware things that interest me. Next
>>>> month, I'm getting three of those Pupo style? keyboard things to put
>>>> a PC type keyboard on a coco.  It's a Plug-N-Play thing that will
>>>> work. I'm almost out of keyboards now.  I think it's Cloud 9 that
>>>> handles or makes those. It would eliminate that darned, fat and
>>>> cumbersome ribbon cable I use to relocate the Coco keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> The vendors which have other products that interest me, advertise
>>>> they provide Nitros9 drivers.
>>>>
>>>> This is why I haven't acquired any of the latter items available to
>>>> date. I have asked the vendors if those drivers would work on my OS9
>>>> L2 system and haven't received replies.
>>>>
>>>>  So there are two questions in this post...
>>>>
>>>> 1. Will a Nitros9 driver work on a Mircroware OS9 system on a 64K
>>>> CC  or a CC3?
>>>> 2. Have we abandoned OS-9?
>>>>
>>>>  I suppose if #1 is FALSE and  #2 is TRUE, then I'm in real trouble.
>>>> I think it would take me months to convert to Nitros9, given the
>>>> time I have available. I'm using three cocos at this time. One has a
>>>> hard drive, the CNC coco is not just a CNC coco. The ports are
>>>> versatile and I have numerous OS9 boot disks with special boot
>>>> files, startups and software(B09) dedicated to the task at hand.
>>>> Some use graphics. Converting all this stuff to Nitros9 would be a
>>>> monumental task I think. The third coco is a 64K unit and does
>>>> simple tasks for my house. I use OS9 on that one also. I have about
>>>> a dozen special boot disks for that one.  The computer with the hard
>>>> drive only has three. The CNC coco has now has fourteen boot disks.
>>>> Only two operate the milling machine. The rest do suff like  operate
>>>> my darkroom/enlarger, monitoring the weather(looking for water),
>>>> turning lights on and off... and more
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heck! It seems I"m being left in the dust behind the pack while
>>>> using OS9 L2...... Dangit!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Coco mailing list
>>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>>
>>> --
>>> Coco mailing list
>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>>
>> --
>> Coco mailing list
>> Coco at maltedmedia.com
>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>--
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>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Still looking for the glorious results of my misspent youth.  Say, do you
have a map to the next joint?


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 21 03:06:59 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:06:59 +0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: mikeyterm
Message-ID: <092120080706.23573.48D5F29300087BD900005C1522092299270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

From: shadow at shadowgard.com
> On 18 Sep 2008 at 4:24, Mike Ortloff wrote:
> 
> > Then somebody warn RTSI & Dennis Bathory-Kitsz, I'd sure hate to see these
> > long-time CoCo resources (& in DBKs case, 30-years long) taken down over
> > some now-almost-useless piece of telecom ancient history.
>  
> > There are HUNDREDS of files up on the respective sites, =somebody=
> > authorized the archiving, else these folks would be exposed to serious
> > litigation.
> 
> The copyright owner has to know and decide to file suit. 
> 
> With a lot of older pieces of software, the current copyright owners 
> don't even *know* that they own the rights. They've acquired them 
> thru a chain of buyouts. I think a lot of Tandy's Z-80 based stuff 
> went thru something like 5 different companies before folks lost 
> track.

Tandy sold off all of their computer properties to AST.  That includes 6809 as well as Z-80 and 68000.  AST was bought by Samsung and to the best of anybody's knowledge that has not been sold on, merely the 8-bit stuff is just laying there like a raped kitten, ignored. There seems to be some vagueness in the copyright when corporate properties are sold to a foreign entity (Samsung being in Korea).  I doubt anybody at Samsung is even aware of the existence of most of the Tandy software they technically own.

There was a previous sale of the rights to the Scripsit for Unix codebase (Scripsit-16, Scripsit 1000/2000, Scripsit-PC) to a party who won't admit to knowing where the disks are.  (The six or so other products called Scripsit, unrelated to that or each other, including Color Scripsit in ROM or on disk or for OS-9, are Samsung properties).  (I don't know of any recent lawsuits concerning intellectual property _by_ Samsung, they seem to get sued all the time for infringements of patents by other folks so they might not have the spare lawyers a US company a tenth the size would have).

Things called Scripsit (BTW, that's Latin for "it is written") that I recall:

Cassette Scripsit (Mod 1/3), Disk Scripsit (same product, I/O changed)

SuperScripsit (Mod 1/3/4)

Model 2 Scripsit (which Isaac Asimov used for his last 150 or so books) (several versions)

Personal Scripsit (for MS-DOS).

Color Scripsit (cartridge and disk)

Scripsit-16 (Xenix) later backported to MS-DOS as Scripsit 1000/2000 and Scripsit/PC (this is the specific item I mentioned above, John Esak bought it and ported it for the NCR Tower and other Unix boxes, declined my offer to help port it to a couple of other machines, and is being a dog in the manger about porting it to Linux).  (He lost money in the operation, never recovered his costs as to the best of my knowledge nobody ever bought the product for a "big" Unix system.

OS-9 Scripsit (was in the catalog, but I never saw a copy, could be based on any codebase above or totally unrelated), I had left the firm and was then just involved in Xenix/Unix

Scripsit-100 (actually just an output formatter for the ROM text editor, insert directives into the text file first)

To the best of my knowledge, there was never a product called Scripsit for the MC-10 or any of the Pocket Computers (which were at least three separate product series' themselves).  But none of those are machines had keyboards suitable for actually typing anyway, as bad as than an early PET or a modern PDA or cell phone)
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_



From spam_proof at verizon.net  Sun Sep 21 09:23:16 2008
From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:23:16 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
Message-ID: <2DDF7BFF-7433-4285-87E3-6DF39D5627D0@verizon.net>

All:

I stumbled upon US Patent # 5,572,705 while searching for something  
entirely different.  I'm trying to guess if they used an old coco  
(with additions) in constructing this device.  It's got a 6809E and a  
6821 PIA.   The patent may be viewed for free at the US Patent and  
Trademark Office website <http://www.uspto.gov> under the "patents"  
section.  It is most easily found by doing a "patent number search".

I was wondering what others thought of this patent:

1.  Souped-up coco?
2.  Not a coco, but the inventor was familiar with coco and used  
similar parts for his invention?
3.  Mere coincidence?

Not that it really makes a difference, but the patent was filed/issued  
long after a 1 Mhz, 32K machine would have been obsolete for most  
purposes.  I just thought someone on this list might find it  
interesting.
                                      - Aaron


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sun Sep 21 10:10:34 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:10:34 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
In-Reply-To: <2DDF7BFF-7433-4285-87E3-6DF39D5627D0@verizon.net>
References: <2DDF7BFF-7433-4285-87E3-6DF39D5627D0@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3C33FE22-0678-4CE4-99D0-4F4CAB492E4B@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 21, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Aaron Banerjee wrote:

> All:
>
> I stumbled upon US Patent # 5,572,705 while searching for something  
> entirely different.  I'm trying to guess if they used an old coco  
> (with additions) in constructing this device.  It's got a 6809E and  
> a 6821 PIA.   The patent may be viewed for free at the US Patent  
> and Trademark Office website <http://www.uspto.gov> under the  
> "patents" section.  It is most easily found by doing a "patent  
> number search".
>
> I was wondering what others thought of this patent:
>
> 1.  Souped-up coco?
> 2.  Not a coco, but the inventor was familiar with coco and used  
> similar parts for his invention?
> 3.  Mere coincidence?
>
> Not that it really makes a difference, but the patent was filed/ 
> issued long after a 1 Mhz, 32K machine would have been obsolete for  
> most purposes.  I just thought someone on this list might find it  
> interesting.
>                                      - Aaron
>

Well, there's no telling if the designer had come across the Coco in  
the past or not, but keep in mind that microprocessor manufacturers  
make ICs in families that work well together.  To find a 6821 used in  
a control system that is powered by a 6809 isn't really a big  
surprise -- it's the logical choice.

C.



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Sep 21 10:24:00 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:24:00 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
In-Reply-To: <2DDF7BFF-7433-4285-87E3-6DF39D5627D0@verizon.net>
References: <2DDF7BFF-7433-4285-87E3-6DF39D5627D0@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200809211024.00798.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 21 September 2008, Aaron Banerjee wrote:
>All:
>
>I stumbled upon US Patent # 5,572,705 while searching for something
>entirely different.  I'm trying to guess if they used an old coco
>(with additions) in constructing this device.  It's got a 6809E and a
>6821 PIA.   The patent may be viewed for free at the US Patent and
>Trademark Office website <http://www.uspto.gov> under the "patents"
>section.  It is most easily found by doing a "patent number search".
>
>I was wondering what others thought of this patent:
>
>1.  Souped-up coco?
>2.  Not a coco, but the inventor was familiar with coco and used
>similar parts for his invention?
>3.  Mere coincidence?
>
>Not that it really makes a difference, but the patent was filed/issued
>long after a 1 Mhz, 32K machine would have been obsolete for most
>purposes.  I just thought someone on this list might find it
>interesting.
>                                      - Aaron

Where did you find this?  According to the above link, that patent has been 
expired and expunged for non-payment of the maintenance fees on Nov 5, 2004 
after the statutory number of years, in this case 8.

Pat#				App#				Issued date
5,572,705                       08/180,848                        11/05/96

>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
It's not whether you win or lose but how you played the game.
		-- Grantland Rice


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 21 11:15:02 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:15:02 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
Message-ID: <092120081515.28402.48D664F5000DBF7000006EF222135285730B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Requires a plugin unavailable to Firefox on Linux.  Doesn't surprise me much.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Aaron Banerjee <spam_proof at verizon.net>
> All:
> 
> I stumbled upon US Patent # 5,572,705 while searching for something  
> entirely different.  I'm trying to guess if they used an old coco  
> (with additions) in constructing this device.  It's got a 6809E and a  
> 6821 PIA.   The patent may be viewed for free at the US Patent and  
> Trademark Office website <http://www.uspto.gov> under the "patents"  
> section.  It is most easily found by doing a "patent number search".
> 
> I was wondering what others thought of this patent:
> 
> 1.  Souped-up coco?
> 2.  Not a coco, but the inventor was familiar with coco and used  
> similar parts for his invention?
> 3.  Mere coincidence?
> 
> Not that it really makes a difference, but the patent was filed/issued  
> long after a 1 Mhz, 32K machine would have been obsolete for most  
> purposes.  I just thought someone on this list might find it  
> interesting.
>                                       - Aaron



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 21 11:22:39 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:22:39 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
Message-ID: <092120081522.7649.48D666BE000E5F2000001DE122135285730B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

From: Chuck Youse <cyouse at serialtechnologies.com>
> 
> Well, there's no telling if the designer had come across the Coco in  
> the past or not, but keep in mind that microprocessor manufacturers  
> make ICs in families that work well together.  To find a 6821 used in  
> a control system that is powered by a 6809 isn't really a big  
> surprise -- it's the logical choice.

Like as not, based on the same Motorola design spec the original Color Computer was based on and was published as part of the Color Computer Technical Reference Manual.  Published almost thirty years ago, so any patent on the original design has long run out (unlike copyrights and trademarks, but that's another thread).
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_


From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Sun Sep 21 11:30:44 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
In-Reply-To: <092120081522.7649.48D666BE000E5F2000001DE122135285730B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <092120081522.7649.48D666BE000E5F2000001DE122135285730B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <400E3E84-87AE-4CD6-8E41-1B829E7CC1D2@serialtechnologies.com>


On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:22 AM, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:
>>
>
> Like as not, based on the same Motorola design spec the original  
> Color Computer was based on and was published as part of the Color  
> Computer Technical Reference Manual.  Published almost thirty years  
> ago, so any patent on the original design has long run out (unlike  
> copyrights and trademarks, but that's another thread).
> --
> Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

Well, yeah, there's no question that the 6809 + 6883 + 6847 was  
Motorola's, not Tandy's, idea.

C.



From spam_proof at verizon.net  Sun Sep 21 11:56:13 2008
From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:56:13 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
In-Reply-To: <200809211024.00798.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <2DDF7BFF-7433-4285-87E3-6DF39D5627D0@verizon.net>
	<200809211024.00798.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <F7F8A472-9BA7-412E-8C97-078E954FA79B@verizon.net>

I got it from the US Patent Office.  The patent could very well be  
expired, whether by age or not being maintained.  It is still in the  
Patent Office records.  For example, Eli Whitney's cotton gin (Patent  
#X72) is still in their records although it expired centuries ago.  It  
serves as prior art to prevent someone else from patenting the cotton  
gin.  (I have 4 cotton gins in my collection).

In the United States, when a patent expires, it becomes public  
knowledge.  Since it's public, no one can patent it again and prevent  
others from making, using, or selling it.  Please remember that the  
applicant can petition to revive a patent back to life, even if they  
didn't pay the maintenance fee, so long as the statutory period (I  
think it's 20 years from filing now) hasn't expired.

                         - Aaron

p.s.  I used to work at the patent office.  You probably won't have  
ever heard of any of the patents I ever issued except for the one for  
the idea of putting a device on a computer mouse that scrolls the  
screen.  Patent # 5,313,229.  It was originally a lever on the side of  
the mouse, but it really was the first "scroll wheel" -- or at least I  
couldn't find any prior art to reject it with.  The inventors were two  
fellows from Argentina.  Not Microsoft.

p.p.s.  The Patent Office has a pretty good search engine, however if  
you want copies of patents in .pdf form, once you already know the  
patent number, GOTO <http://www.pat2pdf.com>

p.p.p.s.  Perhaps I should have made a longer post and held off on all  
of the post scripts....




On Sep 21, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Not that it really makes a difference, but the patent was filed/ 
>> issued
>> long after a 1 Mhz, 32K machine would have been obsolete for most
>> purposes.  I just thought someone on this list might find it
>> interesting.
>>                                     - Aaron
>
> Where did you find this?  According to the above link, that patent  
> has been
> expired and expunged for non-payment of the maintenance fees on Nov  
> 5, 2004
> after the statutory number of years, in this case 8.
>
> Pat#				App#				Issued date
> 5,572,705                       08/180,848                         
> 11/05/96



From tlindner at macmess.org  Sun Sep 21 13:17:26 2008
From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:17:26 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
In-Reply-To: <092120081515.28402.48D664F5000DBF7000006EF222135285730B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1inm4je.1snyxqkj5xwb0M%tlindner@macmess.org>

<wdg3rd at comcast.net> wrote:

> Requires a plugin unavailable to Firefox on Linux.  Doesn't surprise me much.

Are you refering to the fact the images of the patents are formatted as
TIFFs? Or something else?

-- 
tim lindner
tlindner at macmess.org                                              Bright


From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 15:52:11 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:52:11 -0700
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
References: <2DDF7BFF-7433-4285-87E3-6DF39D5627D0@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <B9BEF2BEE6D342C9AFC752D20D3A1CE3@NewBaby>


The Color Computer design was almost entirely based on a Motorola design 
using all Motorola parts. It was modified by the Shack to their standards 
but that is why it is almost all Motorola .

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Banerjee" <spam_proof at verizon.net>

> I stumbled upon US Patent # 5,572,705 while searching for something 
> entirely different.  I'm trying to guess if they used an old coco  (with 
> additions) in constructing this device.  It's got a 6809E and a  6821 PIA. 
> The patent may be viewed for free at the US Patent and  Trademark Office 
> website <http://www.uspto.gov> under the "patents"  section.  It is most 
> easily found by doing a "patent number search".




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 15:55:56 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:55:56 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Mikeyterm
References: <092120080706.23573.48D5F29300087BD900005C1522092299270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FFAB70DC300C4759939EC20FAD7F03E4@NewBaby>

It was bought back by the guy who ran AST. He tried to restart it but 
failed, gave up, and now owns the Beverly Hills Hilton (IIRC). AFAIK he 
couldn't give a rat's ass about TRS-80 / Coco matters.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2004/02/23/tidbits1.html

"Remember Benny Alagem? He's the former Israeli tank commander who founded 
computer maker Packard Bell Electronics Inc. in Westlake Village in 1986.

After the 1993 Northridge quake, Alagem moved the company to Sacramento into 
the vacated space at the U.S. Army's recently closed Sacramento Depot.

That operation grew, shrank and eventually was sold to become Packard Bell 
NEC Inc., then closed its operation for good in Sacramento in 2000."

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wdg3rd at comcast.net> 



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 21 16:05:05 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:05:05 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
Message-ID: <092120082005.11544.48D6A8F100022C5D00002D1822058864420B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Aaron Banerjee <spam_proof at verizon.net>
> I got it from the US Patent Office.  The patent could very well be  
> expired, whether by age or not being maintained.  It is still in the  
> Patent Office records.  For example, Eli Whitney's cotton gin (Patent  
> #X72) is still in their records although it expired centuries ago.  It  
> serves as prior art to prevent someone else from patenting the cotton  
> gin.  (I have 4 cotton gins in my collection).
> 
> In the United States, when a patent expires, it becomes public  
> knowledge.  Since it's public, no one can patent it again and prevent  
> others from making, using, or selling it.  Please remember that the  
> applicant can petition to revive a patent back to life, even if they  
> didn't pay the maintenance fee, so long as the statutory period (I  
> think it's 20 years from filing now) hasn't expired.

I thought when a patent was _granted_ it became public knowledge, not seventeen years later when the product or process is utterly obsolete and not worth licensing.

Last I checked, a patent cannot be renewed, unlike a copyright or a trademark.  Disney hasn't infected things that badly yet even though they have produced a number of patents, most of which have expired, relating to robotics.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_



From farna at att.net  Sun Sep 21 15:49:55 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:55 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
Message-ID: <48D6A563.7080104@att.net>

I bet the answer is "none of the above" (none of your guesses). Even the CoCo closely followed Motorola's example computer layout in the 6809 data sheet. Probably coincidence that the person picked a 6809 as a controller, then they followed the Motorola recommended circuit to finish it out. 

------------
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:23:16 -0400
From: Aaron Banerjee <spam_proof at verizon.net>

I stumbled upon US Patent # 5,572,705 while searching for something  
entirely different.  I'm trying to guess if they used an old coco  
(with additions) in constructing this device.  It's got a 6809E and a  
6821 PIA.   The patent may be viewed for free at the US Patent and  
Trademark Office website <http://www.uspto.gov> under the "patents"  
section.  It is most easily found by doing a "patent number search".

I was wondering what others thought of this patent:

1.  Souped-up coco?
2.  Not a coco, but the inventor was familiar with coco and used  
similar parts for his invention?
3.  Mere coincidence?

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 21 16:13:16 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:13:16 +0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Mikeyterm
Message-ID: <092120082013.18713.48D6AADC000B6EEB0000491922007610640B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

Packard Bell was not AST.  AST actually made some almost worthwhile computers (if you can tolerate a Microsoft OS) while Packard Bell just made crap.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
> It was bought back by the guy who ran AST. He tried to restart it but 
> failed, gave up, and now owns the Beverly Hills Hilton (IIRC). AFAIK he 
> couldn't give a rat's ass about TRS-80 / Coco matters.
> 
> http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2004/02/23/tidbits1.html
> 
> "Remember Benny Alagem? He's the former Israeli tank commander who founded 
> computer maker Packard Bell Electronics Inc. in Westlake Village in 1986.
> 
> After the 1993 Northridge quake, Alagem moved the company to Sacramento into 
> the vacated space at the U.S. Army's recently closed Sacramento Depot.
> 
> That operation grew, shrank and eventually was sold to become Packard Bell 
> NEC Inc., then closed its operation for good in Sacramento in 2000."
> 
> Neil
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <wdg3rd at comcast.net> 
> 
> 
> --
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> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Sep 21 16:28:17 2008
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:28:17 +0000
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
Message-ID: <092120082028.3880.48D6AE61000C5A3700000F2822007610640B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>

From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
> <wdg3rd at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Requires a plugin unavailable to Firefox on Linux.  Doesn't surprise me much.
> 
> Are you refering to the fact the images of the patents are formatted as
> TIFFs? Or something else?

No bloody idea.  Firefox tells me I need a plugin to view it but can't find one.  I know I can view fax tiffs, but TIFF is a fairly flexible "standard".  No information is given as to what kind of files I'm trying to read, and I'm sure as hell not going to boot windoze to see if internet exploder will do the job.  Not for a government website.
--
Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net

"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_


From flexser at fiu.edu  Sun Sep 21 16:36:43 2008
From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:36:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Coco] CLOAD without ?IO ERROR
In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0809201620v23d36cbfxbf4d0bfac82d683@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809211631330.8361-100000@solix.fiu.edu>

And, I'd think it'd work in a CoCo 3 with just the single poke in line 6
(with the 26036 added back in, i.e. POKE 42211,33), since Basic is in RAM.

Art

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Darren A wrote:

> On 9/20/08, Mike Pepe wrote:
> >> This program should run on any color computer that has at least 32K.
> >
> > Um, probably not, but I haven't tried it. Suffice it to say though,
> > except for the "documented" ROM routines, pretty much everything is
> > moved around in differing ROM versions. It's not likely to work on
> > anything except color basic 1.0
> >
> 
> -----
> 
> The Disk Basic ROM is the only one where "pretty much everything is
> moved around". The Color Basic and Extended Basic ROMS keep almost
> everything in the same location, and have only minor patches applied.
> 
> The CLOAD code which Aaron's program copies is identical in all
> versions of the Color Basic ROMS (1.0 - 1.3) and in CoCo 3 ROM.  So
> yes, it will likely work on any CoCo with at least 32K RAM.
> 
> Here is a version that should work on CoCo's with 16K RAM:
> 
> 1  CLEAR 20, 16099
> 2  FOR X = 42136 TO 42301
> 3  POKE X-26036, PEEK(X)
> 4  NEXT X
> 5  POKE 16175, 33
> 6  EXEC 16100
> 
> 
> Darren
> 
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From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 17:34:18 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:34:18 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Copyrights
References: <092120082013.18713.48D6AADC000B6EEB0000491922007610640B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <42733C35A52F43DB843DBF65EC3F3976@NewBaby>


This is from Frank Durda (who knows more about this than anyone!) :-

From: Frank Durda IV (uhclem.feb99 at nemesis.lonestar.org)
Subject: Re: Why Did Tandy stop making computers
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Date: 1999/02/13

All Tandy intellectual property related to its computer products, which
includes designs, software, and related patents, was sold on July 1st, 1993
to AST Research, later renamed AST Computers.  AST immediately got in
financial trouble and obtained loans in exchange for company ownership
from Samsung Electronics of South Korea.  By 1995, Samsung became the 
majority
shareholder due to the increasing loans and in early 1997 finally obtained
all of AST.  At this point, these rights transferred to Samsung, as AST 
simply
became a division (or more accurately, a marketing name) for Samsung.

In December of 1998, Samsung gave up on AST and sold their AST divisions
name and "intellectual property rights" to a group of investors, headed by 
the
former head of Packard Bell, who plan to sell computer products under the 
AST
name.  In theory, that means the old Tandy rights passed to "AST Mark II" at
this point, but someone will actually have to ask Samsung whether that stuff
was in the deal.

In late 1996, I had a general agreement from the President of AST to release
the old Tandy material to the public domain, including all software that
didn't use Microsoft Windows.  However, AST lawyers got involved and citing 
a
baseless fear of releasing something to the public domain that might cause
them a legal liability, they buried the project when it was only a few days
from being a press release.  Shortly after, AST became Samsung, and all 
future
mails on the subject always ended-up in the Samsung/AST legal department. 
If
I got any reply at all, it was a "we still have reservations about this but
will investigate the matter" form letter.

Considering that AST did not ever use any of the patents or technology 
obtained
from Tandy that was older than 1991 (apart from a few patents used in a TI 
vs
AST lawsuit defense that had been used the same way in the TI vs Tandy 
lawsuit
a few years earlier), nor did AST attempt any serious search for this sort
of material at the time (I was there and they were more interested in other
trivial things), this stuff is essentially abandoned and the ownership 
rights
are not being enforced at all.

Therefore, AST Mark II or Samsung technically do own these Tandy items but
could probably never prove such ownership or even knowledge of ownership in
any court.   At last check, you have to know it exists and it is yours to be
able to claim something is yours.   You can't draw a big circle and claim
everything inside the circle is yours.  USL vs BSDI and UC proved that
argument was very flawed.

AST Mark II (or Samsung) would have to spend way too much money determining
who actually owned a given ball to sue anybody over it.

As to the older ROMs, I can't speak for the CoCo side of the shop (some
contained Microsoft and some contained Microware code), but two of the 
"real"
Model III ROMs and the Level II Model I ROM contained code acknowledged to
originally be a licensed Microsoft product but there is Tandy-originated
code in there too.  The Model III ROMs that came with the Model 4, 4D and
the disk image for the 4P were NOT (I repeat again NOT) a Microsoft product,
and these had a Tandy Copyright.  Tandy deliberately reverse-engineered,
modified and released their own version of the ROM and Disk BASIC, due to a
royalty dispute that had been brewing between Tandy and Microsoft for
about two years.  This happened prior to me getting into the system software
group, but I was told at the time that the last year or so of Model III
production III systems had this "Microsoft-free" code in them as well.
The key people who worked on that "Microsoft-free" project are now both
deceased (Ron Light - whose name you will find in early Model IV ROMs, see
the string "RON" - and George Robertson).  Dave Cozad also worked on the
no-Microsoft code at various times prior to 1983 and I took over work on it
around the fall of 1983, long after Ron and George had moved on to other
projects.

For Model IIIs, the "C" ROM was always a pure-Tandy creation.  Only the
"B" ROM and part of the "A" ROM were ever something licensed from Microsoft.
All three ROMs (and later two) on the Model 4s were all code that Tandy
claimed full ownership of.

Tandy, in selling the store to AST back in 1993, got the right to continue 
to
support their customers, and that was taken to mean (by Tandy) that Tandy
could make and sell replacement disks for operating systems and things owned
by Tandy.  However, Tandy got greedy and started making copies of anything
they had ever sold, regardless of who wrote it and who held the copyright,
including products that Tandy never actually duplicated/manufactured, like
SCO for PCs.  Microsoft, Lotus, Borland and lots of other people could have
sued Tandy big-time over the replacement disk program, particularly after
Tandy stopped looking for proof of purchase before selling anybody a $7 copy
of anything, but the rightful owners didn't sue Tandy, at least not yet.

Frank Durda IV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wdg3rd at comcast.net>


> Packard Bell was not AST.  AST actually made some almost worthwhile 
> computers (if you can tolerate a Microsoft OS) while Packard Bell just 
> made crap.



From boisy at tee-boy.com  Sun Sep 21 18:11:38 2008
From: boisy at tee-boy.com (Boisy Pitre)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Copyrights
In-Reply-To: <42733C35A52F43DB843DBF65EC3F3976@NewBaby>
References: <092120082013.18713.48D6AADC000B6EEB0000491922007610640B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
	<42733C35A52F43DB843DBF65EC3F3976@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <390C4886-475C-4697-BDFC-663572C96B19@tee-boy.com>


On Sep 21, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Neil Morrison wrote:

>
> This is from Frank Durda (who knows more about this than anyone!) :-
>
> From: Frank Durda IV (uhclem.feb99 at nemesis.lonestar.org)
> Subject: Re: Why Did Tandy stop making computers
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
> Date: 1999/02/13
>
> [...]
>
> Tandy, in selling the store to AST back in 1993, got the right to  
> continue
> to
> support their customers, and that was taken to mean (by Tandy) that  
> Tandy
> could make and sell replacement disks for operating systems and  
> things owned
> by Tandy.  However, Tandy got greedy and started making copies of  
> anything
> they had ever sold, regardless of who wrote it and who held the  
> copyright,
> including products that Tandy never actually duplicated/ 
> manufactured, like
> SCO for PCs.  Microsoft, Lotus, Borland and lots of other people  
> could have
> sued Tandy big-time over the replacement disk program, particularly  
> after
> Tandy stopped looking for proof of purchase before selling anybody a  
> $7 copy
> of anything, but the rightful owners didn't sue Tandy, at least not  
> yet.


This certainly sounds in line with what I remember.  Back around 1998  
or so, the local Radio Shack store here in Opelousas was still selling  
CoCo software through their Express Order service.  In the store,  
there was a kiosk that had a row of large white binders containing a  
list of a lot of old software, cordless phone batteries, electronic  
parts, etc.  You could order at the store or call a toll-free number,  
and I distinctly remember OS-9 Level Two and other disk based software  
being listed, along with ROM pak software for the CoCo.

Incidentally, Radio Shack even sold the CoCo 3 service manual as late  
as 1999.  According to my notes, I placed a call to 1-800-THE-SHACK on  
June 20, 2002 only to discover that the service manual was  
discontinued on December 7, 2001.

Regards,
Boisy G. Pitre
--
Tee-Boy
Email: boisy at tee-boy.com
Web: http://www.tee-boy.com



From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 21 18:14:53 2008
From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:14:53 -0500
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
In-Reply-To: <092120082028.3880.48D6AE61000C5A3700000F2822007610640B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <092120082028.3880.48D6AE61000C5A3700000F2822007610640B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48D6C75D.3040600@sbcglobal.net>

Another COCO I clone was done back in the 80's. Being a private pilot, I 
came across a device for Cessna 172/182's. It was a color weather radar. 
I got the chance to look at the electronics was was surpised to see it 
contained a 6809 and the VDG chip. Then all of a sudden the display made 
sense. It was a semi-graphic display with text. Looking even closer, it 
looked like a repackaged COCO1. LOL The weather data was sent via a 
sub-channel of local FM broadcast stations..I took one of these to my 
local COCO club and demoed it.

John Donaldson


wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:

>From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)
>  
>
>><wdg3rd at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Requires a plugin unavailable to Firefox on Linux.  Doesn't surprise me much.
>>>      
>>>
>>Are you refering to the fact the images of the patents are formatted as
>>TIFFs? Or something else?
>>    
>>
>
>No bloody idea.  Firefox tells me I need a plugin to view it but can't find one.  I know I can view fax tiffs, but TIFF is a fairly flexible "standard".  No information is given as to what kind of files I'm trying to read, and I'm sure as hell not going to boot windoze to see if internet exploder will do the job.  Not for a government website.
>--
>Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net
>
>"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".  Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_
>
>--
>Coco mailing list
>Coco at maltedmedia.com
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco
>
>  
>


-- 


From underserf at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 21 19:44:53 2008
From: underserf at yahoo.com (Mike Ortloff)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Copyrights
In-Reply-To: <42733C35A52F43DB843DBF65EC3F3976@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <833090.9115.qm@web56605.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Wow - that was cool, I saved it in my CCo text directory, good info!

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Copyrights
To: "Coco on Yahoo" <colorcomputer at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 2:34 PM










    
            

This is from Frank Durda (who knows more about this than anyone!) :-

_._,___
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      


From underserf at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 21 19:42:33 2008
From: underserf at yahoo.com (Mike Ortloff)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:42:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Mikeyterm
In-Reply-To: <FFAB70DC300C4759939EC20FAD7F03E4@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <895465.7833.qm@web56605.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

More or less my point, you CAN legally tell ANYONE where the ancient program is and hopefully, in so doing, they will learn there is MUCH more to be done than loading a tape program and comm'ing with it ;)

Yeah, SOMEBODY still owns the copyright to Channel F, TI 99, etc ad nauseum - but I worry more about getting caught speeding than I ever would about publicizing the availability of ancient s/w.

Most of the guys who started out CoCo stuff have long since given less than asses of rodentia - FalSoft comes to mind ;)

=M0=

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:










    
            It was bought back by the guy who ran AST. He tried to restart it but 

failed, gave up, and now owns the Beverly Hills Hilton (IIRC). AFAIK he 

couldn't give a rat's ass about TRS-80 / Coco matters.

?
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      


From os9dude at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 20:31:07 2008
From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:31:07 -0400
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Copyrights
In-Reply-To: <833090.9115.qm@web56605.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <42733C35A52F43DB843DBF65EC3F3976@NewBaby>
	<833090.9115.qm@web56605.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5631e580809211731j37824a5amddc6d9c9c5cd97cc@mail.gmail.com>

Frank regularly posts at the comp.sys.tandy Usenet group, and he's one of
those people that make it worthwhile to keep subscribed to that newsgroup...
truckloads of knowledge and from a great source. Hat's off to Frank.

Keeping in topic, bit.listserv.coco still gets an occasional post or two,
lot quieter than a few years back when it was swamped by trash and spam.


-=[ Rogelio ]=-


On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Mike Ortloff <underserf at yahoo.com> wrote:


Wow - that was cool, I saved it in my CCo text directory, good info!




> --- On Sun, 9/21/08, Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Neil Morrison <neilsmorr at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Copyrights
> To: "Coco on Yahoo" <colorcomputer at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 2:34 PM
>
>
> This is from Frank Durda (who knows more about this than anyone!) :-
>


From spam_proof at verizon.net  Sun Sep 21 20:35:22 2008
From: spam_proof at verizon.net (Aaron Banerjee)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:35:22 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
In-Reply-To: <092120082005.11544.48D6A8F100022C5D00002D1822058864420B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
References: <092120082005.11544.48D6A8F100022C5D00002D1822058864420B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5D65F8F7-BD9F-4B60-8E97-50F38CEE93FD@verizon.net>


I stand corrected.  It is public the moment it is issued.  What I  
meant to say was after it expires, it becomes fair game for anyone to  
make, use, or sell without being sued for patent infringement.

There's a little "gotcha" with patents that prematurely expired  
because the maintenance fees weren't paid.  So long as their statutory  
period (was 17 years from issue date when I was at the Office -- might  
be 20 from date of filing now) has not expired, they can basically pay  
the maintenance fee and bring it back to life.  What people were doing  
is not worrying about the maintenance fee and letting the patent  
expire.  If someone else started to produce it, and it was worth going  
after them, then they would pay the fee and let the lawsuits begin...

                - Aaron



On Sep 21, 2008, at 4:05 PM, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote:

>
> I thought when a patent was _granted_ it became public knowledge,  
> not seventeen years later when the product or process is utterly  
> obsolete and not worth licensing.
>
> Last I checked, a patent cannot be renewed, unlike a copyright or a  
> trademark.  Disney hasn't infected things that badly yet even though  
> they have produced a number of patents, most of which have expired,  
> relating to robotics.
> --
> Ward Griffiths    wdg3rd at comcast.net
>
> "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this:  If  
> you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his  
> chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off".   
> Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_
>
>
> --
> Coco mailing list
> Coco at maltedmedia.com
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco



From operator at coco3.com  Sun Sep 21 22:22:29 2008
From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:22:29 -0500
Subject: [Coco] coco3.com news blocks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0809190122210.24093-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
References: <20080919021841.A6B5720A3B@qs281.pair.com>
	<Pine.SOL.4.21.0809190122210.24093-100000@solix.fiu.edu>
Message-ID: <20080922022245.BCF6520A35@qs281.pair.com>

At 12:25 AM 9/19/2008, you wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Roger Taylor wrote:
>
> > For those following some of the hottest news headlines, I've now
> > added the LHC collider news block in the left sidebar which updates
> > every 30 minutes
>
>Oh, good.  When the earth gets swallowed up and destroyed by the black hole
>created by the collider, I'll want to get the news right away.
>
>Art


Yep, when they announce that a mad quark was slung into the core of 
the earth or that the sky has turned green or yellow, you should know 
by looking or by watching the headlines.  ;)






From coconut at pritchard.ca  Sun Sep 21 23:10:03 2008
From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Coco] OT: GIMIX Update
Message-ID: <716F5E58-4725-40F7-BF84-DE4B4495B6AB@pritchard.ca>

Hi folks,

So both GIMIX systems power up.

One for sure boots from FDD.  Though it seems there may be a problem  
with the HDD boot, or boot diskettes that switch to the HDD.

Anyway, you can see the new pictures of the screen shots.  Not the  
greatest but Y2K did affect the GIMIX systems as one picture will show.

http://gallery.me.com/ryanjrp#100021

Regards,

Ryan Pritchard
Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies





From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Mon Sep 22 04:27:29 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:27:29 -0400
Subject: [Coco] OT: GIMIX Update
In-Reply-To: <716F5E58-4725-40F7-BF84-DE4B4495B6AB@pritchard.ca>
References: <716F5E58-4725-40F7-BF84-DE4B4495B6AB@pritchard.ca>
Message-ID: <1222072049.21612.32.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 22:10 -0500, Ryan Pritchard wrote:

> Anyway, you can see the new pictures of the screen shots.  Not the  
> greatest but Y2K did affect the GIMIX systems as one picture will show.

Affected Coco OS-9 systems as well, they need patches.  NitrOS-9 is
Y2K-compliant.  We all pitched in and brought in an army of consultants
to fix all that COBOL.

	YEAR  PICTURE(99)

C.




From neilsmorr at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 11:48:47 2008
From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:48:47 -0000
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Seen on bit.listserv.coco
Message-ID: <gb8eov+88j0@eGroups.com>

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.coco
From: "Mike G." <michael.graf... at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:00:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Sep 21 2008 8:00 am 
Subject: SWTPC emulator

For those that might be interested. Google the SWTPC emulator. In the 
full package, there are disk images to boot OS-9/6809 on the 
emulator. 
Along with basic boot disks, there are loads of other goodies - like 
the Introl C and Dyna-C compilers, Xlisp binaries, and loads of other 
neat things. 

Some of the images have weird geometries. Some are corrupted. I had 
difficulty getting the dmodes right on some of the disks, but the 
Toolshed package reads the images perfectly. 


I managed to extract a lot of good stuff. 


A few of the old OS-9 User Group disks are in there. No where near 
the 
full set, unfortunately, but getting a few is nice. 

----------------------------------------------------
From: "Rogelio Perea" <os9d... at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:24:59 -0400
Local: Sun, Sep 21 2008 5:24 pm 
Subject: Re: SWTPC emulator

Well, the first thing that showed up on the Google search was Evenson 
Consulting SWTPC 6800/6809 Emulator. What I really liked about the 
site is 
the J6809 online Java 6809 emulator... played around a bit with it 
and will 
return to do so soon. 

-=[ R ]=- 





From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net  Mon Sep 22 16:46:48 2008
From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:46:48 -0700
Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Copyrights
In-Reply-To: <42733C35A52F43DB843DBF65EC3F3976@NewBaby>
References: <092120082013.18713.48D6AADC000B6EEB0000491922007610640B9DCC090B99@comcast.net>
	<42733C35A52F43DB843DBF65EC3F3976@NewBaby>
Message-ID: <20080922205455.9E5AB20A3B@qs281.pair.com>

Please note, most of the third party software that sold by them was 
only "licensed for sell" and no time was the copyrights every 
transferred to them.  (This is true with all the code that I wrote for them.)

This last part was very interesting, ....

>Tandy, in selling the store to AST back in 1993, got the right to continue
>to support their customers, and that was taken to mean (by Tandy) that Tandy
>could make and sell replacement disks for operating systems and things owned
>by Tandy.  However, Tandy got greedy and started making copies of anything
>they had ever sold, regardless of who wrote it and who held the copyright,
>including products that Tandy never actually duplicated/manufactured, like
>SCO for PCs.  Microsoft, Lotus, Borland and lots of other people could have
>sued Tandy big-time over the replacement disk program, particularly after
>Tandy stopped looking for proof of purchase before selling anybody a $7 copy
>of anything, but the rightful owners didn't sue Tandy, at least not yet.

While I still have to send the last part to lawyer, but it looks like 
Tandy has broken their licence agreement with me. (I never got any 
payments after 1993.)  If so, then they no longer have their exclude 
marketing agreement on my products.

This good news for the CoCo Community.  Why? This was one of the 
blocks to doing something with my CoCo software publicly.  I do still 
have one other block left and I hope to hear from my lawyer soon on it.

Steve Bjork


From farna at att.net  Mon Sep 22 21:15:54 2008
From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:15:54 -0400
Subject: [Coco] Possible Coco patent?
Message-ID: <48D8434A.2@att.net>

If it makes you feel batter Ward, I get the same thing using Firefox under Windows XP. But it also give me a message about a bug report. I looked that up, and it's something about a Apple Quicktime plug-in that no longer works with Firefox, I think it's Quicktime v.3.1. I didn't think it worth the trouble to install anyway, as the bug report says it's a "solved" problem, or to install a newer version. If I really wanted to look at it I guess I could fire up IE... I *think* I left it on this system... may have expunged it...

A patent is granted to protect an inventors work, much like a copyright protects a writer. Otherwise, someone would go and spend a lot of money developing something, bring it out on the market, then have 20 others make similar copies without giving the guy a dime for his investment. It's limited to 17 years because that's about the life span of a good invention. After that time it can be copied, but the inventor should have had ample time to recoup his investment by then. 17 years sounds long, but a lot of people build on the idea of the original patent and introduce improved versions later, provided a better idea that's totally different hasn't come along. In this day and age it usually has, especially concerning electronics, but some things are pretty much the same as they were 20 years ago. Like the guy who patented AC systems using freon...

There are ideas that cost too much for an individual to develop, but a guy can sometimes do enough to get a patent on it. Then they go and try to interest big companies in the idea. They turn him away, wait for the patent to expire, then bring it out without paying the guy a dime. Sometimes they even use the patent filing as a basis for developing a product, but still have to wait for the patent to expire before introducing it. Now THAT is plain WRONG! I've heard of the above, but can't prove it. Might be an urban legend, but somehow I doubt it... 

------------
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:28:17 +0000
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net


From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner)

> > <wdg3rd at comcast.net> wrote:
> > 
>   
>> > > Requires a plugin unavailable to Firefox on Linux.  Doesn't surprise me much.
>>     
> > 
> > Are you refering to the fact the images of the patents are formatted as
> > TIFFs? Or something else?
>   

No bloody idea.  Firefox tells me I need a plugin to view it but can't find one.  I know I can view fax tiffs, but TIFF is a fairly flexible "standard".  No information is given as to what kind of files I'm trying to read, and I'm sure as hell not going to boot windoze to see if internet exploder will do the job.  Not for a government website.
--

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
(free download available!)



From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com  Mon Sep 22 23:46:07 2008
From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:46:07 -0400
Subject: [Coco] RBF and LSN0
Message-ID: <1222141567.21612.101.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>

So I've written two RBF drivers in recent weeks, and a thought has a
occurred to me, and I'm wondering if anyone can shed light on this.  If
Boisy is lurking he's probably the guy with the answer.

So RBF drivers are required to update their drive tables with the LSN0
"superblock" information every time that LSN0 is read; this is so that
RBF can consult the drive table to find out useful filesystem
information, like the size in sectors, etc.  So every RBF driver is
required to take a special action on reading LSN 0, and perform
essentially the same task.

It seems like a lot of duplication of code.  RBF knows when it's reading
LSN0, and it knows where the drive tables are kept in the driver's
static data area; so why is this functionality pushed off to the driver?
It seems RBF has all the information required to do this itself.. it's
RBF-specific information, anyway -- if you're using a different file
manager, this action is probably superfluous.

So anyone know why this was designed this way?

C.




From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net  Tue Sep 23 01:46:44 2008
From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:46:44 -0400
Subject: [Coco] RBF and LSN0
In-Reply-To: <1222141567.21612.101.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
References: <1222141567.21612.101.camel@dev.serialtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <48D882C4.1030506@worldnet.att.net>

Chuck Youse wrote:
> So I've written two RBF drivers in recent weeks, and a thought has a
> occurred to me, and I'm wondering if anyone can shed light on this.  If
> Boisy is lurking he's probably the guy with the answer.
> 
> So RBF drivers are required to update their drive tables with the LSN0
> "superblock" information every time that LSN0 is read; this is so that
> RBF can consult the drive table to find out useful filesystem
> information, like the size in sectors, etc.  So every RBF driver is
> required to take a special action on reading LSN 0, and perform
> essentially the same task.
> 
> It seems like a lot of duplication of code.  RBF knows when it's reading
> LSN0, and it knows where the drive tables are kept in the driver's
> static data area; so why is this functionality pushed off to the driver?
> It seems RBF has all the information required to do this itself.. it's
> RBF-specific information, anyway -- if you're using a different file
> manager, this action is probably superfluous.
> 
> So anyone know why this was designed this way?
> 
> C.
> 

  The design of OS-9 is to start with the general and move towards the 
specific. If implemented correctly, this would produce very efficient 
code, perhaps the most efficient code.
  So managers, Random Block File manager as an example, are charged with 
handling I/O buffers and data flow on random access devices but not the 
details of the physical characteristics of any specific device. Since 
many kinds of random access devices are possible, the actual 
communication is left to drivers.
  For a driver to talk to a specific type of device capable of several 
different formats, ex. a floppy disk, the specific format is stored in 
LSN0. This is read once per device access and does not need to be read 
again as long as the path is kept open.

  RBF can't read LSN0 itself if the above philosophy is to be maintained 
because RBF does not know how to talk to any specific RB device. There 
is no duplication of code in the above scheme because the driver codes 
are essentially unique to specific hardware.
  If it were found that there was duplicate code in several/many 
drivers, it would indicate that either the drivers were not well written 
or that a new level of intermediate manager should be designed. That's 
why there a