From paulej at arid.us Fri Aug 1 16:05:34 2008 From: paulej at arid.us (Paul E. Jones) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Off topic - my music in an arcade crane game... In-Reply-To: <6245D3D0-6C1A-4C80-8581-9E0D6ADEC1E2@pobox.com> References: <200807302246644.SM07112@[63.69.23.239]> <6245D3D0-6C1A-4C80-8581-9E0D6ADEC1E2@pobox.com> Message-ID: <052c01c8f411$f5889710$e099c530$@us> Allen, The similarities are amazing, but there seemed to be a difference between the recorded MP3 and the from the machine and what I hear in your files. In the recording, I hear what sounds like an pipe organ at about 30s into the file-- reminded me of a carnival ride. In the MIDI files, I didn't hear that. It might be that I should blame Windows for not properly reproducing the MIDI file. ;-) Or, perhaps they altered your original MIDI to use a different instrument? Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Allen Huffman > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:52 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] Off topic - my music in an arcade crane game... > > When I was using the CoCo full-time, one of the things I spent the > most time on was doing music in Musica 2, Bells & Whistles, and other > music programs. I was a big fan of computer music, which led me to get > in to musical keyboards, synthesizers, sequencers, etc. Ten years > ago, I joined my love of Disney theme parks with music and did some > arrangements of Disney ride songs, like the one from the Pirates of > the Caribbean ride. > > That file has been on my website for ages, and has spread all over. > Imagine my surprise when I heard it being used in an arcade crane game > last month! The story here: > > http://www.disneyfans.com/audio/pirateschest.htm > > -- Allen > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Torsten at Dittel.info Fri Aug 1 17:36:47 2008 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:36:47 +0200 Subject: [Coco] maps In-Reply-To: <1217375744.2859.0.camel@dev> References: <488F345E.9020803@concentric.net> <20080729222435.76BD420A33@qs281.pair.com> <1b52e6c80807291545q253f25abk6349f28ebb7cd4cb@mail.gmail.com> <1b52e6c80807291546m2391dc5fs53843d9933abd39b@mail.gmail.com> <1217375744.2859.0.camel@dev> Message-ID: >>> Vas ist? > How can you joke about such a thing? I am _horribly_ offended by your > poor German spelling... Diss nein nein Stackenblochen! ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqAdxN1IWQQ ) ;-))) From georgeramsower at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 20:18:20 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:18:20 -0500 Subject: [Coco] maps References: <488F345E.9020803@concentric.net> <20080729222435.76BD420A33@qs281.pair.com> <1b52e6c80807291545q253f25abk6349f28ebb7cd4cb@mail.gmail.com> <1b52e6c80807291546m2391dc5fs53843d9933abd39b@mail.gmail.com><1217375744.2859.0.camel@dev> Message-ID: <001801c8f435$4555e400$d4b1b1d8@house> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Torsten Dittel" >>>> Vas ist? > >> How can you joke about such a thing? I am _horribly_ offended by your >> poor German spelling... > > Diss nein nein Stackenblochen! > > ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqAdxN1IWQQ ) > > ;-))) Back in the day... before the internet and BBS systems, fax machines passed info and jokes around quite nicely... This one was to be posted on complex machines, I suppose. I used it on our radio automation system..If memory serves me correctly, this type of play was called GermEnglish. ACHTUNG -ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS Alles touristen und non-technischen lookenpeepers! Das machinkontrol is nicht for gefengerpoken und mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenverk, blowenfuse, undpoppencorken mit spitzensparken. Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur geverken by das dumpkopfen. Das rubber necken sightseenen, keepen das cotton-picken hands in das pockets. So relaxen, und vatchen das blinkenlights From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 20:21:05 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:21:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] maps In-Reply-To: <001801c8f435$4555e400$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <488F345E.9020803@concentric.net> <001801c8f435$4555e400$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <200808012021.05331.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 01 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Torsten Dittel" > >>>>> Vas ist? >>> >>> How can you joke about such a thing? I am _horribly_ offended by your >>> poor German spelling... >> >> Diss nein nein Stackenblochen! >> >> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqAdxN1IWQQ ) >> >> ;-))) > >Back in the day... before the internet and BBS systems, fax machines passed >info and jokes around quite nicely... > >This one was to be posted on complex machines, I suppose. > > I used it on our radio automation system..If memory serves me correctly, >this type of play was called GermEnglish. > > >ACHTUNG -ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS > > Alles touristen und non-technischen lookenpeepers! Das >machinkontrol is nicht for gefengerpoken und mittengrabben. >Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenverk, blowenfuse, >undpoppencorken mit spitzensparken. > > Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur geverken >by das dumpkopfen. Das rubber necken sightseenen, keepen >das cotton-picken hands in das pockets. > >So relaxen, und vatchen das blinkenlights > > Sheesh, George, I haven't seen that one in 30 years, thanks. >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Time is but the stream I go a-fishing in. -- Henry David Thoreau From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Aug 1 20:56:12 2008 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:56:12 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Off topic - my music in an arcade crane game... In-Reply-To: <200807311123.m6VBNcLX006335@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> References: <200807302318722.SM01924@[63.69.23.239]> <200807311123.m6VBNcLX006335@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Message-ID: <1582B38F-A6F0-4429-BC5C-CE88FFCF2372@pobox.com> On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > At 11:18 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: >> Hmmm.......no royalty checks? > > Not likely! Royalties on arrangements only go to the original > composer. :) And lets just say I'd be surprised is Disney would have allowed their music to be used in a non-Disney product. Now, if it was the "Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean" crane game, that would make sense, but not just a generic "Pirate's Chest" game that wants to make use of Disney music. -- A From Torsten at Dittel.info Sat Aug 2 07:43:05 2008 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:43:05 +0200 Subject: [Coco] maps In-Reply-To: <200808012021.05331.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <488F345E.9020803@concentric.net> <001801c8f435$4555e400$d4b1b1d8@house> <200808012021.05331.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: > Sheesh, George, I haven't seen that one in 30 years, thanks. If you ever miss it again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 2 08:20:55 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:20:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] maps In-Reply-To: References: <488F345E.9020803@concentric.net> <200808012021.05331.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200808020820.55879.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 02 August 2008, Torsten Dittel wrote: >> Sheesh, George, I haven't seen that one in 30 years, thanks. > >If you ever miss it again: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights > Bookmarked, thanks George. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) ahh a gathering of geeks.... I can smell it now From underserf at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 12:08:59 2008 From: underserf at comcast.net (Mike 0rtloff) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:08:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] NitrOS9 $? In-Reply-To: <20080730000011.6C46720A33@qs281.pair.com> References: <20080730000011.6C46720A33@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <20080802160855.11A7020A33@qs281.pair.com> Answering myself... One variation I SHOULD have tried involved RTFM "Getting Started with NitrOS-9", page 54 to be exact. Snooped around the NO96809L2.DSK image, noticing SCRIPTS & MODULES directory. Strange little procedure called "mb" ;) Finding it on my own DID make for an interesting learning experience... Reminds me of when I discovered OS/9 the first time . Thanx for not making it TOO easy, folks! *smirk* =M0= >I've tried a bunch of different variations on creating a NitrOS9 >bootdisk =on= the CoCo via DriveWire. > >I can mount the DSK image, but backing up that image to a real >floppy ON a CoCo (even those formatted under OS/9 L2, 35t, SS) fails >to produce a bootable disk. > >Do I need to use the Convert_disk routine described on Mr Boyles' >site even tho this all occurs on a real CoCo? > >I notice that ALL the DSK images boot fine under VCC, am I stuck >using the MS/AMD clone to create bootdisks using the FDrawcmd.sys & >a FD on the clone? Sheesh - FIRST I gotta find a 360 that does >more'n format 8^/ > >=M0= > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 22:28:41 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:28:41 +0000 Subject: [Coco] maps Message-ID: <080320080228.10036.489517D900025F4B0000273422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> It's been in every edition of Eric Raymond's "New Hacker's Dictionary", both the dead tree versions from MIT Press and the on-line Jargon File. I'll admit that I first saw it less than 25 years ago, when Al Gore was first inventing the Internet but Usenet hat recently gone through the Great Renaming. When I meet Eric at science fiction conventions we don't talk about computers or Open Source since there's no grounds for debate. We prefer to cause heart failure in the liberals by talking about guns and and anarchism (no grounds for debate there, either, but we talk to piss off the liberals so we discuss preferences in calibers and loads). (Yes, we're old friends -- he used to date mi esposa a decade and some before I came to the east coast, but by the time I got here he was happily married to a [beautiful] Philadelphia lawyer). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net These histrionics were probably unnecessary, since there was no reason to think anybody would be watching us with more than casual interest until I made my first move to follow Buchanon's trail, in London. Still, somebody might check back this far later, and I always feel that if you're going to play a part, you might as well play it all the way, at least in public -- and it's hard to tell what's public and what isn't, these electronic days. Donald Hamilton, _The Devastators_, 1965 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Gene Heskett > On Friday 01 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Torsten Dittel" > > > >>>>> Vas ist? > >>> > >>> How can you joke about such a thing? I am _horribly_ offended by your > >>> poor German spelling... > >> > >> Diss nein nein Stackenblochen! > >> > >> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqAdxN1IWQQ ) > >> > >> ;-))) > > > >Back in the day... before the internet and BBS systems, fax machines passed > >info and jokes around quite nicely... > > > >This one was to be posted on complex machines, I suppose. > > > > I used it on our radio automation system..If memory serves me correctly, > >this type of play was called GermEnglish. > > > > > >ACHTUNG -ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS > > > > Alles touristen und non-technischen lookenpeepers! Das > >machinkontrol is nicht for gefengerpoken und mittengrabben. > >Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenverk, blowenfuse, > >undpoppencorken mit spitzensparken. > > > > Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur geverken > >by das dumpkopfen. Das rubber necken sightseenen, keepen > >das cotton-picken hands in das pockets. > > > >So relaxen, und vatchen das blinkenlights > > > > > Sheesh, George, I haven't seen that one in 30 years, thanks. > From georgeramsower at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 11:02:28 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:02:28 -0500 Subject: [Coco] maps References: <080320080228.10036.489517D900025F4B0000273422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201c8f579$f29a1010$d4b1b1d8@house> Hah! Where I work, they are SO politically correct it's sickening. So I do trash them with my totally politically incorrect stuff. It's amazing and amuzing, the reactions I get from my superiors, when I do that. "Oh! We can't say those things here. Someone might take offence and their lawyers are bigger than our lawyers" I betcha that if I were to talk about a COCO at work, they might find something in that to be scared of. BTW. Al Gore never said he invented or helped invent the internet. I'm sure you said this in jest. Fair is fair... http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp > It's been in every edition of Eric Raymond's "New Hacker's Dictionary", > both the dead tree versions from MIT Press and the on-line Jargon File. > > I'll admit that I first saw it less than 25 years ago, when Al Gore was > first inventing the Internet but Usenet hat recently gone through the > Great Renaming. > > When I meet Eric at science fiction conventions we don't talk about > computers or Open Source since there's no grounds for debate. We prefer > to cause heart failure in the liberals by talking about guns and and > anarchism (no grounds for debate there, either, but we talk to piss off > the liberals so we discuss preferences in calibers and loads). (Yes, > we're old friends -- he used to date mi esposa a decade and some before I > came to the east coast, but by the time I got here he was happily married > to a [beautiful] Philadelphia lawyer). > -- > Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net > > These histrionics were probably unnecessary, since there was no reason to > think anybody would be watching us with more than casual interest until I > made my first move to follow Buchanon's trail, in London. Still, somebody > might check back this far later, and I always feel that if you're going to > play a part, you might as well play it all the way, at least in public -- > and it's hard to tell what's public and what isn't, these electronic days. > Donald Hamilton, _The Devastators_, 1965 > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Gene Heskett >> On Friday 01 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Torsten Dittel" >> > >> >>>>> Vas ist? >> >>> >> >>> How can you joke about such a thing? I am _horribly_ offended by >> >>> your >> >>> poor German spelling... >> >> >> >> Diss nein nein Stackenblochen! >> >> >> >> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqAdxN1IWQQ ) >> >> >> >> ;-))) >> > >> >Back in the day... before the internet and BBS systems, fax machines >> >passed >> >info and jokes around quite nicely... >> > >> >This one was to be posted on complex machines, I suppose. >> > >> > I used it on our radio automation system..If memory serves me >> > correctly, >> >this type of play was called GermEnglish. >> > >> > >> >ACHTUNG -ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS >> > >> > Alles touristen und non-technischen lookenpeepers! Das >> >machinkontrol is nicht for gefengerpoken und mittengrabben. >> >Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenverk, blowenfuse, >> >undpoppencorken mit spitzensparken. >> > >> > Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur geverken >> >by das dumpkopfen. Das rubber necken sightseenen, keepen >> >das cotton-picken hands in das pockets. >> > >> >So relaxen, und vatchen das blinkenlights >> > >> > >> Sheesh, George, I haven't seen that one in 30 years, thanks. >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From operator at coco3.com Sun Aug 3 21:12:16 2008 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:12:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] maps In-Reply-To: <001201c8f579$f29a1010$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <080320080228.10036.489517D900025F4B0000273422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <001201c8f579$f29a1010$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <20080804011239.12B2820A36@qs281.pair.com> At 10:02 AM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >Hah! > >Where I work, they are SO politically correct it's sickening. So I >do trash them with my totally politically incorrect stuff. > It's amazing and amuzing, the reactions I get from my superiors, > when I do that. > >"Oh! We can't say those things here. Someone might take offence and >their lawyers are bigger than our lawyers" > >I betcha that if I were to talk about a COCO at work, they might >find something in that to be scared of. > >BTW. Al Gore never said he invented or helped invent the internet. >I'm sure you said this in jest. Fair is fair... Gore actually DID claim to be the father of the internet in a televised debate that I saw during (I think) the 2004 campaign. If this is true, he's responsible for the astronomically climbing divorce and infidelity rate and our young kids being exposed to unstopple-and-increasing porn spam. Even if I had invented the internet, I would never admit to it if I were running for president. Geez. >http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp From operator at coco3.com Sun Aug 3 21:20:52 2008 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:20:52 -0500 Subject: [Coco] maps In-Reply-To: <001201c8f579$f29a1010$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <080320080228.10036.489517D900025F4B0000273422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <001201c8f579$f29a1010$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <20080804012115.366D320A35@qs281.pair.com> At 10:02 AM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >BTW. Al Gore never said he invented or helped invent the internet. >I'm sure you said this in jest. Fair is fair... > >http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp The snopes report is wrong. I heard with my own ears Al Gore saying something to the extent of "in a way, I could be seen as the father of the internet". I heard and saw the man say this, in a debate, I think, against GW Bush, the one where Gore left his podium and walked towards Bush, and Bush turned around and acted like Gore was threatening him. I laughed so hard I almost fell off the couch. Somebody behind Snopes took it upon themselves to write this report that Gore NEVER made this claim. Totally false. Not that it matters since everybody who reads the Snopes "truth" will believe it. The truth is, Gore claimed he "played a big part" in inventing the internet and saw himself as possibly being the father of the internet. At the same time, Bush was Promising to bring broadband to every home by the year 20XX. From jimhrubik at earthlink.net Sun Aug 3 21:29:43 2008 From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:29:43 -0400 Subject: [Coco] maps In-Reply-To: <20080804011239.12B2820A36@qs281.pair.com> References: <080320080228.10036.489517D900025F4B0000273422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <001201c8f579$f29a1010$d4b1b1d8@house> <20080804011239.12B2820A36@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <51CAC58C-369F-4C3A-8DB7-68E47C535D93@earthlink.net> "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Al Gore to Wolf Blitzer, March 9, 1999. Semantically, George is correct. Technically, Roger is wrong (but I won't go any farther than that ). The Snopes article has the link to the interview transcript. I think, though, that the implication Mr. Gore was making was clear, and because it was so clear, I will continue mocking him for his arrogance. I vote for Ward's view of this. Now if he had said he had taken the initiative in getting rid of MSDOS, I might have voted for him (just kidding!!). Viva La CoCo! On Aug 3, 2008, at Sunday, August 3, 2008 - 9:12 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 10:02 AM 8/3/2008, you [George Ramsower in reply to Ward > Griffiths] wrote: >> Hah! >> >> Where I work, they are SO politically correct it's sickening. So I >> do trash them with my totally politically incorrect stuff. >> It's amazing and amuzing, the reactions I get from my superiors, >> when I do that. >> >> "Oh! We can't say those things here. Someone might take offence >> and their lawyers are bigger than our lawyers" >> >> I betcha that if I were to talk about a COCO at work, they might >> find something in that to be scared of. >> >> BTW. Al Gore never said he invented or helped invent the internet. >> I'm sure you said this in jest. Fair is fair... > > Gore actually DID claim to be the father of the internet in a > televised debate that I saw during (I think) the 2004 campaign. If > this is true, he's responsible for the astronomically climbing > divorce and infidelity rate and our young kids being exposed to > unstopple-and-increasing porn spam. Even if I had invented the > internet, I would never admit to it if I were running for > president. Geez. > >> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp > --------------------------------------------------- -----Items below rated "PCX"; news anchor approval advised before reading...---- --------------------------------------------------- It is one of those interesting facts of nature that, the more democratic a society becomes, the fewer rights each individual possesses. --------------------------------------------------- From the sayings of Grampa Jim, Copyright 2006. Unauthorized use of my stuff may cause senility. From jimcox at miba51.com Mon Aug 4 16:16:48 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:16:48 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Does anyone remember "Dynamic Color News" In-Reply-To: <20080626.215244.4548.1.johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20080626.215244.4548.1.johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808041316k3c43a76du9c4927adbb0bbe68@mail.gmail.com> Hi John, I have been buried with work and other non-CoCo stuff. I should get off my arse and at least archive these magazines as PDFs. I'll try and get back to you later. -Jim Cox On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:52 PM, John T Chasteen wrote: > Jim I just ran across this e-mail. What ever happened? > Have you scanned? > > John > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:35:50 -0800 "Jim Cox" > writes: >> I'm going through a collection of magazines I inherited a while back >> and >> sandwiched between some Hot Coco's and Color Computer News where a >> bunch of >> "Dynamic Color News" from Dynamic Electronics of Hartselle, AL.. >> >> Bill Chapple is listed as President and both John Pearson Ph.D., and >> Bob >> Morgan Ph.D. as consultants. From the brief look I took at the >> magazines, >> they look pretty informative for their size (approximately 10 pages >> per >> issue) >> >> If I could get permission to scan them, I would be willing to post >> them some >> place. >> >> Jim >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Enter for Your Chance to WIN > The TotalBeauty.com Summer Spa Sweepstakes! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7VB2j5TlCKMh9RxLlKsYDLWilWHxgogLcLoEzBikfbfXjJP/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From operator at coco3.com Mon Aug 4 18:56:05 2008 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:56:05 -0500 Subject: [Coco] maps In-Reply-To: <51CAC58C-369F-4C3A-8DB7-68E47C535D93@earthlink.net> References: <080320080228.10036.489517D900025F4B0000273422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <001201c8f579$f29a1010$d4b1b1d8@house> <20080804011239.12B2820A36@qs281.pair.com> <51CAC58C-369F-4C3A-8DB7-68E47C535D93@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080804225627.D3CD120A3B@qs281.pair.com> This wouldn't be on Snopes had Gore not tried to imply that he helped create the internet and that (he or some) see himself as being the father of the internet. The interview/debate I saw was not the Wolf Blitzer interview. He was behind a stand and speaking on live television. So this means that Twice, Gore tried to fool half the people into thinking he created or played a big part in creating the internet, etc. etc. etc. while the other half somehow heard something different, as Gore perfectly and politically formed the words so they could be interpreted two ways, and if he got in a bind later he could define the meaning of what he really meant. So typical. End o' story. At 08:29 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the >initiative in creating the Internet." Al Gore to Wolf Blitzer, March >9, 1999. Semantically, George is correct. Technically, Roger is >wrong (but I won't go any farther than that ). The Snopes article >has the link to the interview transcript. > >I think, though, that the implication Mr. Gore was making was clear, >and because it was so clear, I will continue mocking him for his >arrogance. I vote for Ward's view of this. > >Now if he had said he had taken the initiative in getting rid of >MSDOS, I might have voted for him (just kidding!!). Viva La CoCo! > > >On Aug 3, 2008, at Sunday, August 3, 2008 - 9:12 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > >>At 10:02 AM 8/3/2008, you [George Ramsower in reply to Ward >>Griffiths] wrote: >>>Hah! >>> >>>Where I work, they are SO politically correct it's sickening. So I >>>do trash them with my totally politically incorrect stuff. >>> It's amazing and amuzing, the reactions I get from my superiors, >>>when I do that. >>> >>>"Oh! We can't say those things here. Someone might take offence >>>and their lawyers are bigger than our lawyers" >>> >>>I betcha that if I were to talk about a COCO at work, they might >>>find something in that to be scared of. >>> >>>BTW. Al Gore never said he invented or helped invent the internet. >>>I'm sure you said this in jest. Fair is fair... >> >>Gore actually DID claim to be the father of the internet in a >>televised debate that I saw during (I think) the 2004 campaign. If >>this is true, he's responsible for the astronomically climbing >>divorce and infidelity rate and our young kids being exposed to >>unstopple-and-increasing porn spam. Even if I had invented the >>internet, I would never admit to it if I were running for >>president. Geez. >> >>>http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp > >--------------------------------------------------- >-----Items below rated "PCX"; news anchor approval advised before >reading...---- >--------------------------------------------------- >It is one of those interesting facts of nature that, the more >democratic a society becomes, the fewer rights each individual >possesses. >--------------------------------------------------- > From the sayings of Grampa Jim, Copyright 2006. >Unauthorized use of my stuff may cause senility. > > > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From neilsmorr at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 00:17:04 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Internet Inventors References: <080320080228.10036.489517D900025F4B0000273422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net><001201c8f579$f29a1010$d4b1b1d8@house> <20080804011239.12B2820A36@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <02f701c8f6b2$54e674a0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Al clearly misspoke, however in a competition between Gore, Dubya and Quayle, Gore looks like Einstein's smarter brother. Consider yourself lucky; if Al had explained the sources and contributions of everyone involved in the creation in his usual way most listeners would have killed themselves from terminal boredom by now. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Taylor" > Gore actually DID claim to be the father of the internet in a televised > debate that I saw during (I think) the 2004 campaign. If this is true, > he's responsible for the astronomically climbing divorce and infidelity > rate and our young kids being exposed to unstopple-and-increasing porn > spam. Even if I had invented the internet, I would never admit to it if I > were running for president. Geez. From poco6809 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 5 13:08:02 2008 From: poco6809 at hotmail.com (john poco) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:08:02 +0000 Subject: [Coco] FW: Coco 3 serial numbers Message-ID: Does anyone know where tandy started numbering the coco 3's IE what was the serial number of the first 3 off the line? _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Tue Aug 5 16:54:08 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:54:08 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Cool Space Pictures Message-ID: <20080805.155408.1760.1.johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Hello Coco Folks Here are some great pictures of the earth taken from SPACE. http://www.greatdanepro.com/Blue%20Bueaty/index.htm John ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mzvzUuEDGbVQNQUaxFnDVCUy2YRI3Lo437SudwVHcqPMx01/ From ben_jimenez at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 17:13:44 2008 From: ben_jimenez at yahoo.com (Ben Jimenez) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Cool Space Pictures In-Reply-To: <20080805.155408.1760.1.johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <22331.60812.qm@web52302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> very nice --- On Tue, 8/5/08, John T Chasteen wrote: > From: John T Chasteen > Subject: [Coco] Cool Space Pictures > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Cc: john at chasteen.us > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:54 PM > Hello Coco Folks > > Here are some great pictures of the earth taken from SPACE. > > http://www.greatdanepro.com/Blue%20Bueaty/index.htm > > > John > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the satellite television package that > meets your needs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mzvzUuEDGbVQNQUaxFnDVCUy2YRI3Lo437SudwVHcqPMx01/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Tue Aug 5 17:19:08 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Charles Youse) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:19:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Cool Space Pictures In-Reply-To: <20080805.155408.1760.1.johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20080805.155408.1760.1.johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <2D2DAB02-7CA6-47CF-9348-FD20518AF955@serialtechnologies.com> purty I could do without the music, though, i get enough of the pan-pipe action in the subways.. ;) C. On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:54 PM, John T Chasteen wrote: > Hello Coco Folks > > Here are some great pictures of the earth taken from SPACE. > > http://www.greatdanepro.com/Blue%20Bueaty/index.htm > > > John > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your > needs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ > Ioyw6i3mzvzUuEDGbVQNQUaxFnDVCUy2YRI3Lo437SudwVHcqPMx01/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Aug 5 18:36:44 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:36:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Cool Space Pictures In-Reply-To: <20080805.155408.1760.1.johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20080805.155408.1760.1.johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <200808051836.44532.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 August 2008, John T Chasteen wrote: >Hello Coco Folks > >Here are some great pictures of the earth taken from SPACE. > >http://www.greatdanepro.com/Blue%20Bueaty/index.htm > > >John Nice John, thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) On the eighth day, God created FORTRAN. From cappy2112 at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 14:15:46 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:15:46 -0700 Subject: [Coco] COCO Rom cartrdiges for sale Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808101115j46330ce9o53b476d3e837a10e@mail.gmail.com> I was at a surplus store recently and noticed about 5-10 coco cartridges for sale. I have no idea if they are working or not. I didn't have anything to write with at the time, so I couldn't even make a list. If anyone is interested in these, I will inquire about the prices and make a list of what's available. You would be responsible for the original cost and shipping charges. From cappy2112 at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 14:34:42 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:34:42 -0700 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808101134p6ced9541nf0f1b5e040599926@mail.gmail.com> Are there many people running the VCC emulator on this list? I've just found it- and I'm impressed, as I always had problems with the other emulators running on a PC. From cappy2112 at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 14:35:10 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:35:10 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Tandy Christmas Demo- In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808101133r39d56484s7887cfff051817b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808101133r39d56484s7887cfff051817b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808101135t13b412b8j7122b81891dd7ac7@mail.gmail.com> I dont know how I missed the Tandy Christmas Demo, but in all my years with my cocos, I never saw this. Catching up iis always fun ;-) From alsplace at pobox.com Sun Aug 10 16:13:12 2008 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:13:12 -0500 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808101134p6ced9541nf0f1b5e040599926@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808101134p6ced9541nf0f1b5e040599926@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Aug 10, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > Are there many people running the VCC emulator on this list? I run VCC on my Intel Mac, via Parallels virtual machine. I am quite impressed! -- My Des Moines, Iowa flood photos/blog: http://web.mac.com/allenhuffman/Flood2008 Over 98,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com (1980's Retro Computing: I want my CoCo 4! www.coco4.com) Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 18:21:44 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:21:44 +1000 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator References: <8249c4ac0808101134p6ced9541nf0f1b5e040599926@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8fb37$7ae65e70$0701a8c0@master> I've been running Vcc for a while now, and I was impressed from the start. Joe continues to work on improvements. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Cappellini" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:34 AM Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator > Are there many people running the VCC emulator on this list? > > I've just found it- and I'm impressed, as I always had problems with > the other emulators running on a PC. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From vchester at setec-cr.com Mon Aug 11 11:10:40 2008 From: vchester at setec-cr.com (Chester A Patterson) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:10:40 -0600 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808101134p6ced9541nf0f1b5e040599926@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E0109B55F@setec-server.SETEC.COM> I love VCC! Simple and lets me have a Coco on my laptop when I travel and on my desk at work (for after lunch gaming) -----Original Message----- From: Tony Cappellini [mailto:cappy2112 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:35 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator Are there many people running the VCC emulator on this list? I've just found it- and I'm impressed, as I always had problems with the other emulators running on a PC. From petrander at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 12:55:35 2008 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:55:35 +0200 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E0109B55F@setec-server.SETEC.COM> References: <8249c4ac0808101134p6ced9541nf0f1b5e040599926@mail.gmail.com> <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E0109B55F@setec-server.SETEC.COM> Message-ID: VCC is a great emulator. It is virtually the only one I use nowadays... Cheers, Fedor 2008/8/11 Chester A Patterson > I love VCC! Simple and lets me have a Coco on my laptop when I travel > and on my desk at work (for after lunch gaming) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Cappellini [mailto:cappy2112 at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:35 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator > > Are there many people running the VCC emulator on this list? > > I've just found it- and I'm impressed, as I always had problems with the > other emulators running on a PC. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Mon Aug 11 15:55:09 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:55:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans Message-ID: <1218484509.28298.17.camel@dev> I've begun scanning my collection of Rainbow magazines. http://www.retroengineering.com/rainbow/ It goes without saying that this is copyrighted material, online for my own personal use (as I own the magazines that we scanned). Should you want to refer to the electronic copies online, be sure you have a license to do so (e.g., you bought the magazine at some point). C. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 17:47:43 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808101134p6ced9541nf0f1b5e040599926@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <693114.14818.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I run it on my Laptop for portable fun but mainly I run it to transfer disks images on my? XP System to 3.5" floppy disks for use on my CoCo 3 with a 3.5" and 5.25" drive set up. It's by far the best coco emulator out there. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Tony Cappellini wrote: From: Tony Cappellini Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:34 AM Are there many people running the VCC emulator on this list? I've just found it- and I'm impressed, as I always had problems with the other emulators running on a PC. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From charles.shrader at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 19:38:09 2008 From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:38:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Cartridges for Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c8fc0b$50c53380$800101df@CHUCK03> RE: 1. COCO Rom cartrdiges for sale (Tony Cappellini I'm desperately looking for a copy of Stellar Lifeline. Is that one in the set? From dml_68 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 14:06:51 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <1218484509.28298.17.camel@dev> Message-ID: <259851.40783.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Most excellent. Thank you! ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Chuck Youse wrote: From: Chuck Youse Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans To: coco at maltedmedia.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:55 PM I've begun scanning my collection of Rainbow magazines. http://www.retroengineering.com/rainbow/ It goes without saying that this is copyrighted material, online for my own personal use (as I own the magazines that we scanned). Should you want to refer to the electronic copies online, be sure you have a license to do so (e.g., you bought the magazine at some point). C. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Tue Aug 12 14:55:36 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:36 -0500 Subject: [Coco] PC to COCO FILES Message-ID: <20080812.135536.2336.3.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Bob I forgot to tell you that I have a 5.25 in. floppy disk written 22 years ago by Steve Tyrakowski. He no longer uses the coco. I was able to contact him on the phone last week. The title of the disk is "CCREAD-MSDOS Utility to read and write COCO disks" This utility was copyrighted in 1986. This may be to take files from the Internet and then write them to a coco floppy. John ____________________________________________________________ Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mItjhFa7injCl9sbVp4wib7k00OpVEbY0XsaCCXYnHDQPvz/ From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Aug 12 16:14:23 2008 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:14:23 -0500 Subject: [Coco] PC to COCO FILES In-Reply-To: <20080812.135536.2336.3.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20080812.135536.2336.3.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <20080812201423.GF15508@warlock.deepthought.com> John, No offense to you or Steve but a far better solution is to use drivewire from Cloud-9 to access the image files found on the internet or other sources. Over the years that I've used it I've found it to be very reliable and although I've never timed it I find it to be at least as fast as a floppy. It also deals with the dwindling supply of floppy disks and drives for both the PC and Coco. Frank On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 01:55:36PM -0500, John T Chasteen wrote: > Bob > > I forgot to tell you that I have a 5.25 in. floppy disk > written 22 years ago by Steve Tyrakowski. He no > longer uses the coco. I was able to contact him on > the phone last week. > > The title of the disk is "CCREAD-MSDOS Utility to > read and write COCO disks" This utility was copyrighted > in 1986. This may be to take files from the Internet > and then write them to a coco floppy. > > John > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mItjhFa7injCl9sbVp4wib7k00OpVEbY0XsaCCXYnHDQPvz/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Tue Aug 12 15:39:46 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:39:46 -0500 Subject: [Coco] PC to COCO FILES Message-ID: <20080812.143946.2944.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Thanks Frank This is one reason I put my e-mail on the coco List I am going to try both solutions. Do you think Drivewire will work with Vista? John On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:14:23 -Frank Pittel writes: > John, > > No offense to you or Steve but a far better solution is to use > drivewire from Cloud-9 to access the image files found on the > internet or other sources. > > Over the years that I've used it I've found it to be very reliable > and although I've never timed it I find it to be at least as fast > as > a floppy. It also deals with the dwindling supply of floppy disks > and > drives for both the PC and Coco. > > Frank > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 01:55:36PM -0500, John T Chasteen wrote: > > Bob > > > > I forgot to tell you that I have a 5.25 in. floppy disk > > written 22 years ago by Steve Tyrakowski. He no > > longer uses the coco. I was able to contact him on > > the phone last week. > > > > The title of the disk is "CCREAD-MSDOS Utility to > > read and write COCO disks" This utility was copyrighted > > in 1986. This may be to take files from the Internet > > and then write them to a coco floppy. > > > > John > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals > nationwide > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mItjhFa7injCl9sbVp4wib 7k00OpVEbY0XsaCCXYnHDQPvz/ > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From fwp at deepthought.com Tue Aug 12 16:29:54 2008 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:29:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] PC to COCO FILES In-Reply-To: <20080812.143946.2944.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20080812.143946.2944.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <20080812202954.GG15508@warlock.deepthought.com> I have no idea if Drivewire will work with Vista. I do know that it works well with linux!! On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 02:39:46PM -0500, John T Chasteen wrote: > Thanks Frank > This is one reason I put my e-mail on the coco List > > I am going to try both solutions. > > Do you think Drivewire will work with Vista? > > John > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:14:23 -Frank Pittel writes: > > John, > > > > No offense to you or Steve but a far better solution is to use > > drivewire from Cloud-9 to access the image files found on the > > internet or other sources. > > > > Over the years that I've used it I've found it to be very reliable > > and although I've never timed it I find it to be at least as fast > > as > > a floppy. It also deals with the dwindling supply of floppy disks > > and > > drives for both the PC and Coco. > > > > Frank > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 01:55:36PM -0500, John T Chasteen wrote: > > > Bob > > > > > > I forgot to tell you that I have a 5.25 in. floppy disk > > > written 22 years ago by Steve Tyrakowski. He no > > > longer uses the coco. I was able to contact him on > > > the phone last week. > > > > > > The title of the disk is "CCREAD-MSDOS Utility to > > > read and write COCO disks" This utility was copyrighted > > > in 1986. This may be to take files from the Internet > > > and then write them to a coco floppy. > > > > > > John > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals > > nationwide > > > > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mItjhFa7injCl9sbVp4wib > 7k00OpVEbY0XsaCCXYnHDQPvz/ > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From keeper63 at cox.net Wed Aug 13 00:57:54 2008 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:57:54 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:55:09 -0400 > From: Chuck Youse > Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Message-ID: <1218484509.28298.17.camel at dev> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I've begun scanning my collection of Rainbow magazines. > > http://www.retroengineering.com/rainbow/ > > It goes without saying that this is copyrighted material, online for my > own personal use (as I own the magazines that we scanned). Should you > want to refer to the electronic copies online, be sure you have a > license to do so (e.g., you bought the magazine at some point). > > C. Chuck, You may or may not be aware of the Rainbow scanning project that was started, and is now in "limbo", since Lonnie's passing. It is up in the air as to what will happen, but given that a contract was set up to actually sell the magazine scans on CD/DVD - I am not sure that offerring what you have online is something we as a community want to encourage. I would hate to see the large amount of effort already expended to unbound and scan all of the Rainbows done already to be jeopardized in any way, should Lonnie's estate catch wind of your scans. Everyone: What are your views on this? -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Wed Aug 13 01:04:23 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> References: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> Message-ID: <1218603864.28298.23.camel@dev> As previously stated, these are scans of my personal collection of Rainbow magazines. Per fair use, I am allowed to reproduce these for my own personal archives. As explicitly stated, these electronic copies are also available to those who have license to read them; in general, those who have purchased copies of the magazine are ALSO, by fair use, allowed to use these electronic copies. Those who violate copyright law by accessing the electronic copies are at their own risk. It is not my responsibility to police them. C. On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 21:57 -0700, Andrew wrote: > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:55:09 -0400 > > From: Chuck Youse > > Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans > > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > > Message-ID: <1218484509.28298.17.camel at dev> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > I've begun scanning my collection of Rainbow magazines. > > > > http://www.retroengineering.com/rainbow/ > > > > It goes without saying that this is copyrighted material, online for my > > own personal use (as I own the magazines that we scanned). Should you > > want to refer to the electronic copies online, be sure you have a > > license to do so (e.g., you bought the magazine at some point). > > > > C. > > Chuck, > > You may or may not be aware of the Rainbow scanning project that was > started, and is now in "limbo", since Lonnie's passing. It is up in the > air as to what will happen, but given that a contract was set up to > actually sell the magazine scans on CD/DVD - I am not sure that > offerring what you have online is something we as a community want to > encourage. > > I would hate to see the large amount of effort already expended to > unbound and scan all of the Rainbows done already to be jeopardized in > any way, should Lonnie's estate catch wind of your scans. > > Everyone: What are your views on this? > > -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From sfischer1 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 13 01:18:06 2008 From: sfischer1 at mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:18:06 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow scanning project in Limbo? Continue Scanning, Yes. In-Reply-To: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> References: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> Message-ID: There was a recent post that the Rainbow scanning project is not in limbo. This may or may not be true. But I really wonder if it ever will happen and if there are persons willing to pay the big $$$$ for the DVD(s). The quality of scans offered is not as good as I hope the Rainbow on DVD will be. The file sizes are huge but this does not matter as I now can store ~ 50 Gigs on a Blu-ray Disk now. As a back up should the Rainbow on DVD never appear, I suggest that the scans continue. And in a year or less, if the Rainbow on DVD never appears others start scanning also. Most of the persons who wanted to have an electronic version of Rainbow have disappeared already, it has taken way too long. Stephen H. Fischer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8 > > Chuck, > > You may or may not be aware of the Rainbow scanning project that was > started, and is now in "limbo", since Lonnie's passing. It is up in the > air as to what will happen, but given that a contract was set up to > actually sell the magazine scans on CD/DVD - I am not sure that offerring > what you have online is something we as a community want to encourage. > > I would hate to see the large amount of effort already expended to unbound > and scan all of the Rainbows done already to be jeopardized in any way, > should Lonnie's estate catch wind of your scans. > > Everyone: What are your views on this? > > -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Wed Aug 13 01:26:55 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:26:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow scanning project in Limbo? Continue Scanning, Yes. In-Reply-To: References: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> Message-ID: <1218605215.28298.24.camel@dev> On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 22:18 -0700, Stephen H. Fischer wrote: ] > The quality of scans offered is not as good as I hope the Rainbow on > DVD > will be. Touche! You try scanning magazines by hand without destroying them :) C. From sfischer1 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 13 04:17:16 2008 From: sfischer1 at mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:17:16 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow scanning project in Limbo? Continue Scanning, Yes. In-Reply-To: <1218605215.28298.24.camel@dev> References: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> <1218605215.28298.24.camel@dev> Message-ID: Yes, I have done much scanning for the CoCo Archive project. I was not happy with my work either and the next Magazines if I scan any more will be very very poor quality. Zerox of Zerox copy of Zerox copy. Then printed. I still am wondering if anyone is looking at what I scanned. I spent many hours. Rainbow will be looked at for sure. At least you have done two and they are available. At best you will have lighted a fire to get the Rainbow on DVD project done. Stephen H. Fischer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Youse" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow scanning project in Limbo? Continue Scanning,Yes. > On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 22:18 -0700, Stephen H. Fischer wrote: > ] >> The quality of scans offered is not as good as I hope the Rainbow on >> DVD >> will be. > > Touche! You try scanning magazines by hand without destroying them :) > > C. From dgacke at ektarion.com Wed Aug 13 09:53:57 2008 From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:53:57 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> References: <48A269D2.2080509@cox.net> Message-ID: <009101c8fd4c$088784a0$19968de0$@com> I honestly think that it is a collection of orphaned works that will just disappear otherwise. I wholeheartedly support Chuck and cannot encourage it enough. Kind Regards, Dave Gacke -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:58 PM To: coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8 > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:55:09 -0400 > From: Chuck Youse > Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Message-ID: <1218484509.28298.17.camel at dev> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I've begun scanning my collection of Rainbow magazines. > > http://www.retroengineering.com/rainbow/ > > It goes without saying that this is copyrighted material, online for my > own personal use (as I own the magazines that we scanned). Should you > want to refer to the electronic copies online, be sure you have a > license to do so (e.g., you bought the magazine at some point). > > C. Chuck, You may or may not be aware of the Rainbow scanning project that was started, and is now in "limbo", since Lonnie's passing. It is up in the air as to what will happen, but given that a contract was set up to actually sell the magazine scans on CD/DVD - I am not sure that offerring what you have online is something we as a community want to encourage. I would hate to see the large amount of effort already expended to unbound and scan all of the Rainbows done already to be jeopardized in any way, should Lonnie's estate catch wind of your scans. Everyone: What are your views on this? -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From rvanscherpe at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 13:30:13 2008 From: rvanscherpe at gmail.com (Ron VanScherpe) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:30:13 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans Message-ID: I have personall purchased about 65 Rainbow issues and had them unbound at Kinkos and have scanned them all in using a Fijitsu ScanSnap scanner. It took about 20 mins per issue to scan and the files were around 200MB each. I had heard about the scanning project a few years ago and when I heard that it was recently dropped due to Lonnie's death I quickly scrambled to purchase issues. I have requested on this list before that we somehow contact the estate or the family and encourage them to proceed with this project because it is important and they don't have to do any of the work since the bulk of it is already done. And the caveat of not having every single issue before they can release it is ridiculous. We need to be in communication with the family. We as a coco community are willing to pay for it but if it dies by the waste side then more and more scans are going to appear. Let's encourage the Estate to continue with the project. Ron. From farna at att.net Wed Aug 13 14:44:54 2008 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:44:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans Message-ID: <48A32BA6.6070905@att.net> I looked at the scans, Chuck. They may not be the highest quality, as someone pointed out, but they are there and very readable! That's really all that matters at this point. I too think it's just something that will disappear with time. This needs to be done even if the copies only go to a few die-hard coco enthusiasts. At least there will be some electronic copies floating around to be found later. You are wrong about the copyright not being your responsibility though. The magazines are up on a publicly accessible site where anyone who knows the address can view and/or make copies. That's not "fair use". If the site were password restricted you'd probably get away with it. Low risk, I agree, but technically you can be held liable. That said, a copyright is only as good as the enforcement. With Lonnie gone I don't think anyone is interested in copyright protection of the Rainbow magazine. Lonnie's only concern was that he could be held liable for copyright violation if he just gave permission to let the magazines be freely distributed because of the contract terms with the various writers, or if the programs were used in some way that violated the contract. I really think that was bogus, he just didn't want his "baby" to be discredited in any way. I talked to him about taking the Rainbow over years ago, right before publication ceased, and he just wasn't interested. He basically said if it had to die it would be by his hand while it was still a reputable magazine. He didn't want someone to take it over and "run it down" before dieing a slow death. I understood and respected that, but it could have survived with a low overhead "hobby" publisher for a lot longer, though it would have regressed to more like it started. Luckily technology had improved to the point it still would have been better than mimeographed sheets! We discussed just buying the mailing list, but he wanted commercial rates for that. In the end I just took out an ad for another CoCo support magazine ("the world of 68' micros" -- so it could support 68K OS-9 as well as DECB and 6809 OS-9) in the last issue... I think he gave me a small discount, don't recall now. In order to collect damages from a copyright infringement the complainant has to prove damages. If sales of back issues of Rainbow are hurt by the scanning, or the people scanning and selling the DVDs are making a good bit of money over and above a copy/shipping/handling fee, then there is grounds for a damages lawsuit. Otherwise, about all a copyright holder can do is ask you to stop. I'm sure there are steps they can take if you don't, but in every instance of something obsolete being copied that I've ever heard of the "cease and desist" order is the first step, and unless a monetary loss can be proven, it usually stops there. I've seen this happen several times with old automotive documentation, but in general the auto and parts makers don't care because there's no money in it for them. They occasionally sell the rights to old manual to a third party, who then enforces ownership of the copyright. If the violations continue there are fines that can be levied in court, but since the complainer doesn't get that money, it rarely goes that far. But it could. The violation is at your own risk, but the risk is low. Think of it like speeding -- occasionally someone gets caught and fined, but compared to the number of people who go over the speed limit (or the times you speed without getting caught), the odds are with the speeder. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From dml_68 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 15:55:49 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <27688.93990.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The time has come for the community to share what it has with each other before the passage of time makes all this information even harder to archive. I have uploaded all my rainbow on disk and tapes to the yahoo group here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive/ We all have waited long enough to get this "project" going. I believe it is now time for everyone who has something to contribute to make it available somewhere online for all of us to be able to archive this information. Rapidshare, Megaupload or Yahoo Groups is a good option. I would be willing to mirror anything uploaded on my Premium Rapidshare account so it will be a permanent download archive. I am also active in the vintage Atari community and this is what they have done for archiving their old magazines: http://www.atarimagazines.com/ I maybe in the minority in my views on this and I mean no offense by what I say but I believe the Rainbow information is too important to just let fade away over time. The Rainbow was the BEST computer magazine ever. It is far too important to loose in my opinion. ? ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Ron VanScherpe wrote: From: Ron VanScherpe Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans To: coco at maltedmedia.com Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:30 AM I have personall purchased about 65 Rainbow issues and had them unbound at Kinkos and have scanned them all in using a Fijitsu ScanSnap scanner. It took about 20 mins per issue to scan and the files were around 200MB each. I had heard about the scanning project a few years ago and when I heard that it was recently dropped due to Lonnie's death I quickly scrambled to purchase issues. I have requested on this list before that we somehow contact the estate or the family and encourage them to proceed with this project because it is important and they don't have to do any of the work since the bulk of it is already done. And the caveat of not having every single issue before they can release it is ridiculous. We need to be in communication with the family. We as a coco community are willing to pay for it but if it dies by the waste side then more and more scans are going to appear. Let's encourage the Estate to continue with the project. Ron. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 21:40:52 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:40:52 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] RE: RAINBOW scans Message-ID: > The time has come for the community to share what it has with each > other before the passage of time makes all this information even > harder to archive. I'm afraid I have to agree here. I can find about anything I want for any 8 bit... except the coco. I think it's time some people take a chill pill and stop jumping all over anyone that even suggests copying something CoCo related. From lamune at doki-doki.net Wed Aug 13 21:53:31 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:53:31 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] RE: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C0@fenestra.lamunet.local> From: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Diffendaffer Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:41 PM To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Color Computer] RE: [Coco] RAINBOW scans >> The time has come for the community to share what it has with each >> other before the passage of time makes all this information even >> harder to archive. >I'm afraid I have to agree here. > >I can find about anything I want for any 8 bit... except the coco. >I think it's time some people take a chill pill and stop jumping all >over anyone that even suggests copying something CoCo related. Let me throw in my AOL-style "Me too!" to this thread. I think the main driving factor behind the caution was out of respect for Lonnie's wishes. Sadly, he's gone. The scanning project needs to continue. We have an agreement in place. Let's just get it done already. You know what they say about "begging forgiveness" versus "asking permission" -Mike From lothan at newsguy.com Wed Aug 13 22:31:11 2008 From: lothan at newsguy.com (Lothan) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:31:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans References: <48A32BA6.6070905@att.net> Message-ID: > That said, a copyright is only as good as the enforcement. With Lonnie > gone I don't think anyone is interested in copyright protection of the > Rainbow magazine. Lonnie's only concern was that he could be held liable > for copyright violation if he just gave permission to let the magazines be > freely distributed because of the contract terms with the various writers, > or if the programs were used in some way that violated the contract. I > really think that was bogus, he just didn't want his "baby" to be > discredited in any way. I talked to him about taking the Rainbow over > years ago, right before publication ceased, and he just wasn't interested. Rainbow had "first publication" rights with some of the authors, which means Rainbow is legally allowed to publish the first copy of the article but all further rights remain with the author. The agreement with Lonnie effectively keeps Lonnie in control of the digital copies so he continues to have "first publication" rights. I'm definitely not a copyright lawyer, but I don't think these "first publication" rights can be transferred since Lonnie has no authority over these rights. So, yes I believe you are mostly correct when you say Lonnie could be held liable if he allowed anyone to access digital copies of the magazine and anyone providing access to digital copies can also be held liable. I don't know if anyone would dispute copyright given Rainbow hasn't been published for so long. I certainly don't have any qualms with any of the articles I wrote, but all of my rights are assigned to Rainbow anyway so I have no legal bearing in the matter. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether the death of Lonnie has any impact on the digitization and distribution agreement so I won't say anything regarding this lest I stick my foot firmly in my mouth. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 23:12:58 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With all respect this argument has been tossed around this e-mail list for how many years now? Now we have to ask ourselves if we want to let all this information die with time or if we want to preserve it. I think trying to rely on the Rainbow in Disc project is also pretty much a dead idea. Again I would urge folks to get what they have archived out for others to download. The project of one person scanning all the Rainbow Magazines in is too big a project for one person. I have uploaded the Rainbows on Disks and Tapes that I have to the Yahoo group in my previous message. I have 3 more years of Rainbow on Disk I am working on getting converted from my real disks to .DSK format so I am willing to share what I have. In my opinion this debate will never end and it's too much for one person to do. I believe anyone who has something to share should get it out on the web for the sake of the community. Because we are a smaller vintage computer community than other platforms like Atari, Apple & CBM there is far less software and magazines for the coco and again there will come a day when it will all be gone and if none of what we have gets preserved then it would be a huge loss to those of us who care about the coco. Lastly If anyone gets some bright idea about e-baying what we upload burned on a dvd then we report it to e-bay as a violation. We do have some power as a community to ensure that no one profits from our archiving. I have never really said much about this on the list as I know it gets some folks all riled up and maybe it's just because I am hitting middle age and am nostaligic, but I think it is important that everything possible gets saved for the future. With all respect Derek ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Lothan wrote: From: Lothan Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans To: coco at maltedmedia.com Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 7:31 PM > That said, a copyright is only as good as the enforcement. With Lonnie > gone I don't think anyone is interested in copyright protection of the > Rainbow magazine. Lonnie's only concern was that he could be held liable > for copyright violation if he just gave permission to let the magazines be > freely distributed because of the contract terms with the various writers, > or if the programs were used in some way that violated the contract. I > really think that was bogus, he just didn't want his "baby" to be > discredited in any way. I talked to him about taking the Rainbow over > years ago, right before publication ceased, and he just wasn't interested. Rainbow had "first publication" rights with some of the authors, which means Rainbow is legally allowed to publish the first copy of the article but all further rights remain with the author. The agreement with Lonnie effectively keeps Lonnie in control of the digital copies so he continues to have "first publication" rights. I'm definitely not a copyright lawyer, but I don't think these "first publication" rights can be transferred since Lonnie has no authority over these rights. So, yes I believe you are mostly correct when you say Lonnie could be held liable if he allowed anyone to access digital copies of the magazine and anyone providing access to digital copies can also be held liable. I don't know if anyone would dispute copyright given Rainbow hasn't been published for so long. I certainly don't have any qualms with any of the articles I wrote, but all of my rights are assigned to Rainbow anyway so I have no legal bearing in the matter. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether the death of Lonnie has any impact on the digitization and distribution agreement so I won't say anything regarding this lest I stick my foot firmly in my mouth. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dgacke at ektarion.com Wed Aug 13 23:24:12 2008 From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:24:12 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010401c8fdbd$38e66a50$aab33ef0$@com> With regards to Rainbow issues, I have a pretty complete collection of magazines. If someone needs/wants an article in particular, I can scan it if I have it. While I can't commit to scanning whole issues, I'll try and oblige if someone is looking for something in particular. Also, regarding the copyright issues. I personally think magazines like Hot Coco (which I personally loved) are fair game as well. I only have a few of those unfortunately... Kind Regards, Dave Gacke From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Wed Aug 13 23:27:21 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <010401c8fdbd$38e66a50$aab33ef0$@com> References: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <010401c8fdbd$38e66a50$aab33ef0$@com> Message-ID: <1218684441.28298.27.camel@dev> I have a couple years' worth of Hot Coco. Also a few mags like Color Computer Magazine and Color Computer News. C. On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 22:24 -0500, David Gacke wrote: > With regards to Rainbow issues, I have a pretty complete collection of > magazines. If someone needs/wants an article in particular, I can scan it if > I have it. While I can't commit to scanning whole issues, I'll try and > oblige if someone is looking for something in particular. > > Also, regarding the copyright issues. I personally think magazines like Hot > Coco (which I personally loved) are fair game as well. > > I only have a few of those unfortunately... > > > Kind Regards, > > Dave Gacke > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From neilsmorr at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 00:09:34 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans References: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> It's more than that. None of us will last forever and in not too many more years there will be no one left to do it, no one who knows how and why and no one who cares. So it's now or never IMO. Neil http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" > With all respect this argument has been tossed around this e-mail list for > how many years now? Now we have to ask ourselves if we want to let all > this information die with time or if we want to preserve it. From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Thu Aug 14 00:14:55 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:14:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> References: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <1218687295.28298.29.camel@dev> On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 21:09 -0700, Neil Morrison wrote: > It's more than that. None of us will last forever and in not too many more > years there will be no one left to do it, no one who knows how and why and > no one who cares. So it's now or never IMO. > > Neil Hey, I'm only 31! I'd like to think I've got more than a few years left in me ... ;) C. From jorge_machin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 00:30:22 2008 From: jorge_machin at hotmail.com (Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:30:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> References: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: The magazines will not last forever... I forgot one in the backyard and started to rain :( So I decided to start scanning and printing the most valuable articles to avoid reading them directly. Now, when I need to consult an article from an old magazine, I first scan it. Jorge > To: colorcomputer at yahoogroups.com> From: neilsmorr at gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:09:34 -0700> CC: RainbowArchive at yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans> > > It's more than that. None of us will last forever and in not too many more > years there will be no one left to do it, no one who knows how and why and > no one who cares. So it's now or never IMO.> > Neil> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek" > > > With all respect this argument has been tossed around this e-mail list for > > how many years now? Now we have to ask ourselves if we want to let all > > this information die with time or if we want to preserve it.> > > --> Coco mailing list> Coco at maltedmedia.com> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 00:32:47 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:32:47 +1000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans References: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <006001c8fdc6$d02e8240$0701a8c0@master> Yeah, I'd guess that the majority of us must be 50+? Time to store this stuff for future generations in a way that's less likely to be damaged by the ravishes of time. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Morrison" To: "Coco on Yahoo" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans > > It's more than that. None of us will last forever and in not too many more > years there will be no one left to do it, no one who knows how and why and > no one who cares. So it's now or never IMO. > > Neil > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek" > >> With all respect this argument has been tossed around this e-mail list >> for >> how many years now? Now we have to ask ourselves if we want to let all >> this information die with time or if we want to preserve it. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From neilsmorr at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 01:12:50 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:12:50 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] RAINBOW scans References: <815229.91554.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <006001c8fdc6$d02e8240$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <035a01c8fdcd$f1aba4a0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> And older. I started on mainframes with punch cards and chain printers. When I went to college, I was the only person who owned his own working computer. The university owned 3 computers total by the time I left. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Devries" > Yeah, I'd guess that the majority of us must be 50+? > Time to store this stuff for future generations in a way that's less > likely to be damaged by the ravishes of time. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia From keeper63 at cox.net Thu Aug 14 02:48:17 2008 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:48:17 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A3D531.7080705@cox.net> > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:04:23 -0400 > From: Chuck Youse > Subject: Re: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8 > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Message-ID: <1218603864.28298.23.camel at dev> > Content-Type: text/plain > > As previously stated, these are scans of my personal collection of > Rainbow magazines. Per fair use, I am allowed to reproduce these for my > own personal archives. Yes. > As explicitly stated, these electronic copies are also available to > those who have license to read them; in general, those who have > purchased copies of the magazine are ALSO, by fair use, allowed to use I would talk to a lawyer about that - this is a murky area you are wading into. > these electronic copies. Those who violate copyright law by accessing > the electronic copies are at their own risk. It is not my > responsibility to police them. As far as I know, yes, you can make a personal copy of the magazine, if you own it. You may not, however, AFAIK, distribute that copy yourself without permission of the copyright holder (which, in this case, is still Lonnie's estate). Others, if they own the magazine, can make their own copies, but once again, I don't believe that they can distribute those copies in any manner. You are distributing the copies by a) announcing you have made the copies, and b) directing people to a URL to distribute them. The only way you could possibly justify this is if you had some manner of verifying that the downloads were only going to actual magazine owners (ie, have the owner take a picture and email it to you, you send a password for the URL back). It still isn't something that I think has been tested in court. I wouldn't want to be that test case. I also don't want to see the effort which has already been put in to the scanning under license from Falsoft and Lonnie to go to waste. The scans that were to be offerred were professionally done, with full text searches and everything. I, for one, would have been first in line to buy a copy, no matter what the cost. I am sure others here would, too. I can't be the only one here who feels this way, can I? -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 02:42:23 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:42:23 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Recovering from a stolen laptop Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808132342x12c81d5akbb4638c952b128c2@mail.gmail.com> My laptop was stolen from the tunk of my car recently. Apart from the obvious loss, trying to remember what was on it is more of a problem. My source code was backed up on a USB stick which was in a different bag, also stolen with the laptop. While I have been out of coco-land (again) for a few years, I started thinking about all the coco files I had. All of the rom images are gone, dsks, bins, docs, everything. I lost the Edtasm patch (?) I bought from Robert Gault,and some document published by Nick Marentes (I think) I may have some of this stuff backed up on my desktop system. Since I don't have a real coco3 any more, I had looked favorable on the emulators, and still do. I've just found VCC which is great, but I remember MESS and the others. I've just downloaded the May 2008 disk for Nitros. Hats off to all the hard working souls working on this- still. I'm quite impressed! I'm able to boot into NitrOS9 using Vcc. Since Vcc has an RTC in a MPC, I'm still being prompted for the dat/time when I boot. I probab;y need to cobbler a special disk to read the RTC ??? Would someone point me to what I need to know to set the RTC so that when I boot I dont get prompted for date/time? The downside of the emulators are when they aren't running, they loose time ;-) I booted Nitros from an 80 track floppy, but I dont remember what I need to do to write a bootable image to the HD that comes with Vcc. I have to dig out my OS9 books- good thing I didnt toss them last time I was cleaning the garage ;-) BTW- if anyone knows how to reach the author of Vcc let me know. I've emailed him at the address on his web page, but no reply in many days. I have some technical things I want to ask, as well as congratulating him on an excellent job. Thanks From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Aug 14 03:24:38 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <48A3D531.7080705@cox.net> References: <48A3D531.7080705@cox.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C2@fenestra.lamunet.local> Hey guys, we've been through this too many times. Yes, we are all aware that there are legal implications but this project has been stalled for no good reason for far too long. And none of us are lawyers anyway, which makes it indeed "murky"... We have a way out that I think will appease both the moral high ground and the desire to git 'r done. There is an agreement in place between Mike and Lonnie to scan, sell, and collect royalties from scanned copies of Rainbow magazine published in DVD form. I remember Mike saying that he had an exclusive agreement to make the scans and do this. I think what all of us who are interested in seeing this come to completion shoud do is pay Mike now for whatever royalty he was going to collect from the DVD and send to Lonnie. He will then send a nice check over to Lonnie's estate who will then cash it. Who in their right mind would turn down free money? So, now, you've paid for the right to receive an electronic copy of the rainbow. We can then collect the scans together somewhere to build a library, and at some point agree to a "final" version to burn to DVD and distribute. It may not be to the letter of the original agreement, but the spirit is there, and let's face facts: Lonnie's estate has had two years to review his documents and find this contract, which presumably contains contact information, and has not contacted anyone. Several members of this list have attempted to contact the estate and have not received direction or instruction... so I doubt the estate has any interest in what we're doing and certainly it's extremely unlikely anyone is going to end up in jail for scanning a 20 year old magazine. ...two cents From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 03:46:05 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:46:05 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808140046v1b4b12aam4f53ba85688790af@mail.gmail.com> I used to use a great directory utility program under DIsk Basic. We called it 'Z; (this may not be the original name, but I can't remember anything other than that) It was something like Windows Explorer from W95 days (or Xtree Gold from MS DOS). It had two panels, where one side was the source the other was the destination. It was great for copying files between floppies, renaming files, formatting floppies, etc. I remember needing the 64K upgrade to run it. Does anyone remember or have this program? From leonard23 at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 09:13:53 2008 From: leonard23 at verizon.net (Leonard Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:13:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C2@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <48A3D531.7080705@cox.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C2@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <007701c8fe0f$99d1fee0$cd75fca0$@net> Here here!! Mike? -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:25 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans Hey guys, we've been through this too many times. Yes, we are all aware that there are legal implications but this project has been stalled for no good reason for far too long. And none of us are lawyers anyway, which makes it indeed "murky"... We have a way out that I think will appease both the moral high ground and the desire to git 'r done. There is an agreement in place between Mike and Lonnie to scan, sell, and collect royalties from scanned copies of Rainbow magazine published in DVD form. I remember Mike saying that he had an exclusive agreement to make the scans and do this. I think what all of us who are interested in seeing this come to completion shoud do is pay Mike now for whatever royalty he was going to collect from the DVD and send to Lonnie. He will then send a nice check over to Lonnie's estate who will then cash it. Who in their right mind would turn down free money? So, now, you've paid for the right to receive an electronic copy of the rainbow. We can then collect the scans together somewhere to build a library, and at some point agree to a "final" version to burn to DVD and distribute. It may not be to the letter of the original agreement, but the spirit is there, and let's face facts: Lonnie's estate has had two years to review his documents and find this contract, which presumably contains contact information, and has not contacted anyone. Several members of this list have attempted to contact the estate and have not received direction or instruction... so I doubt the estate has any interest in what we're doing and certainly it's extremely unlikely anyone is going to end up in jail for scanning a 20 year old magazine. ...two cents -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From rvanscherpe at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 10:40:40 2008 From: rvanscherpe at gmail.com (Ron VanScherpe) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:40:40 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans Message-ID: In regards to sending money off to Lonnie's Estate and having US put together the archive I would gladly donate my 65 complete scanned in issues of Rainbow and 19 complete scanned in issues of Color Computer Magazine. So who's going to write the letter and how much are we going to send in each? Ron. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 10:44:01 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C2@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <100421.82873.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Rainbow on DVD? project is clearly dead. This now has to be a community effort and if it's just folks making single issues or a few issues at a time available on on-line file hosters then that's the way it needs to happen. The person who had the Rainbow on DVD project gave up on it for persoanl reasons. Its very clear at this point the Rainbow on DVD is a dead project. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Mike Pepe wrote: From: Mike Pepe Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 12:24 AM Hey guys, we've been through this too many times. Yes, we are all aware that there are legal implications but this project has been stalled for no good reason for far too long. And none of us are lawyers anyway, which makes it indeed "murky"... We have a way out that I think will appease both the moral high ground and the desire to git 'r done. There is an agreement in place between Mike and Lonnie to scan, sell, and collect royalties from scanned copies of Rainbow magazine published in DVD form. I remember Mike saying that he had an exclusive agreement to make the scans and do this. I think what all of us who are interested in seeing this come to completion shoud do is pay Mike now for whatever royalty he was going to collect from the DVD and send to Lonnie. He will then send a nice check over to Lonnie's estate who will then cash it. Who in their right mind would turn down free money? So, now, you've paid for the right to receive an electronic copy of the rainbow. We can then collect the scans together somewhere to build a library, and at some point agree to a "final" version to burn to DVD and distribute. It may not be to the letter of the original agreement, but the spirit is there, and let's face facts: Lonnie's estate has had two years to review his documents and find this contract, which presumably contains contact information, and has not contacted anyone. Several members of this list have attempted to contact the estate and have not received direction or instruction... so I doubt the estate has any interest in what we're doing and certainly it's extremely unlikely anyone is going to end up in jail for scanning a 20 year old magazine. ...two cents -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From keeper63 at cox.net Thu Aug 14 11:39:20 2008 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:39:20 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A451A8.7000903@cox.net> > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:30:13 -0700 > From: "Ron VanScherpe" > Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have personall purchased about 65 Rainbow issues and had them unbound at > Kinkos and have scanned them all in using a Fijitsu ScanSnap scanner. It > took about 20 mins per issue to scan and the files were around 200MB each. > > I had heard about the scanning project a few years ago and when I heard that > it was recently dropped due to Lonnie's death I quickly scrambled to > purchase issues. I have requested on this list before that we somehow > contact the estate or the family and encourage them to proceed with this > project because it is important and they don't have to do any of the work > since the bulk of it is already done. And the caveat of not having every > single issue before they can release it is ridiculous. We need to be in > communication with the family. We as a coco community are willing to pay > for it but if it dies by the waste side then more and more scans are going > to appear. Let's encourage the Estate to continue with the project. > > Ron. Certainly there must be a way to get in contact with Lonnie's estate. For a man who gave us so much by way of his magazine, we should at least respect his memory this much. Don't get me wrong, I would love to just "scan and post" the magazines I have (several years worth starting at about January 1987 and running to the end), but I would rather that I knew I had the permission and blessing of the publisher and/or family before I did so. I agree that at this point, scanning and posting as an activity is a low risk. I doubt that even if any of the family noticed, they probably wouldn't care. One could make the argument that by contacting them, they might then notice and start to care - but maybe we can get them to care in a positive manner, perhaps as a tribute to the man that they loved (at least, I am assumming and hope his family loved him). I want to sign a petition, with a little note to say how much the CoCo and the Rainbow changed my life, and how indebted I am to Falsoft and Lonnie for that. I want to send this petition to the family (hand delivered by a community member would be ideal), and ask them to please sit down and discuss this with "us", to come to an agreement, to let them know how much this magazine means to us. Certainly there must be a way to do this. We as a community can certainly set up a petition. We should be able to find a lawyer to represent us. We should be able to trust each other enough to set up a paypal donation spot to help pay for all of this. One of us must live "close" to Lonnie's estate and/or family (does anyone have specifics on this?)... I would rather have the Rainbow become a real community magazine with the blessing and permission of the "publisher" (which may or may not now be Lonnie's estate), rather than stealing it like a thief (albeit one with noble and just intentions, of course). It may come to that after all, but let's make sure there isn't any other option before we trod down this path too far. Regardless of what happens, didn't the Rainbow-on-Disk project get something like 99% of the issues scanned (minus a few of the last issues published)? If so, then whatever happens these issues should form the "core" of the release, with addendum issues or whatnot added. Ideally, I would want to see a professionally done, purchasable DVD (for the cost of media, copying, and shipping, of course - no profit motive, unless the estate says otherwise) - but I would settle for just an ISO image. Ideally, getting the scans in a format to allow community OCR'ing for those issues not OCR'd would be ideal. I still would like to see the scans in a PDF format as well, but for the Rainbow-on-Disk project, a different document format (View-somethingsomething - an open source system, IIRC) was chosen. Let's at least decide as a community what we want, let's try to get in contact with the estate, let's do this in an organized manner. We can do this! -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From michael at musicheadproductions.org Thu Aug 14 11:32:23 2008 From: michael at musicheadproductions.org (Michael Harwood) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:32:23 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans Message-ID: I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and distribute the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the agreement I had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the scanning and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. Lonnie?s death did not nullify the agreement ? it has a clause that states the agreement will pass to Lonnie?s estate in the event of his death. Once his estate is informed it?s up to them to do something about it ? I know Lonnie would have pursued litigation but do not know what the stance of his heirs are. They may not care. Also bear in mind that images of the entire Rainbow run has bee acquired and there is a person in the process of creating .djvu files for them ? once this is completed they will be offered for sale as was stated at the beginning of the project. In regards to Hot Coco - I contacted the copyright holder of Hot Coco years ago and they stated they will sue anyone who scans in the magazine and distribute it. I have no agreement with them and will not ?blow the whistle? on any of your efforts, but you should at least take this into account. I wish you all good fortune in these endeavors, and am girding myself for the inevitable and unfortunate flames I expect will follow. Regards, Michael Harwood From vchester at setec-cr.com Thu Aug 14 11:48:47 2008 From: vchester at setec-cr.com (Chester A Patterson) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:48:47 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808140046v1b4b12aam4f53ba85688790af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E0109B92B@setec-server.SETEC.COM> I seem to recall ADOS had something like that... O perhaps my mem is fading from all the rain we're getting. /Chester Costa Rica -----Original Message----- From: Tony Cappellini [mailto:cappy2112 at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:46 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity I used to use a great directory utility program under DIsk Basic. We called it 'Z; (this may not be the original name, but I can't remember anything other than that) It was something like Windows Explorer from W95 days (or Xtree Gold from MS DOS). It had two panels, where one side was the source the other was the destination. It was great for copying files between floppies, renaming files, formatting floppies, etc. I remember needing the 64K upgrade to run it. Does anyone remember or have this program? From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 12:08:03 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:08:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808140908r649cb2b7ja123e3f0f440b0fa@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Michael Harwood wrote: > I wish you all good fortune in these endeavors, and am girding myself for > the inevitable and unfortunate flames I expect will follow. Before those flames start, let me remind everyone that Michael is following his moral compass in the direction it is pointing, and that is a sign of strength of character. No one should fault him for that. Also, I find it very encouraging that the project is quietly moving forward. Rod From paulej at arid.us Thu Aug 14 13:48:59 2008 From: paulej at arid.us (Paul E. Jones) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:48:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C2@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <48A3D531.7080705@cox.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C2@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <003701c8fe36$0836d740$18a485c0$@us> I agree the sentiment here. If there was an agreement in place, then why would a person's death void that agreement? I would assume the agreement is between Falsoft, Inc. and an individual and another company. Unless there are explicit clauses that would void that agreement as a result of an individual's death (which I have never seen when the agreement involves a corporation), then the agreement would survive a death. The company made the agreement. Was the agreement between Lonnie personally, or with Falsoft, Inc.? Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:25 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans > > Hey guys, we've been through this too many times. Yes, we are all aware > that there are legal implications but this project has been stalled for > no good reason for far too long. And none of us are lawyers anyway, > which makes it indeed "murky"... > > We have a way out that I think will appease both the moral high ground > and the desire to git 'r done. > > There is an agreement in place between Mike and Lonnie to scan, sell, > and collect royalties from scanned copies of Rainbow magazine published > in DVD form. > > I remember Mike saying that he had an exclusive agreement to make the > scans and do this. > > I think what all of us who are interested in seeing this come to > completion shoud do is pay Mike now for whatever royalty he was going > to > collect from the DVD and send to Lonnie. He will then send a nice check > over to Lonnie's estate who will then cash it. Who in their right mind > would turn down free money? > > So, now, you've paid for the right to receive an electronic copy of the > rainbow. We can then collect the scans together somewhere to build a > library, and at some point agree to a "final" version to burn to DVD > and > distribute. > > It may not be to the letter of the original agreement, but the spirit > is > there, and let's face facts: Lonnie's estate has had two years to > review > his documents and find this contract, which presumably contains contact > information, and has not contacted anyone. Several members of this list > have attempted to contact the estate and have not received direction or > instruction... so I doubt the estate has any interest in what we're > doing and certainly it's extremely unlikely anyone is going to end up > in > jail for scanning a 20 year old magazine. > > ...two cents > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From lothan at newsguy.com Thu Aug 14 14:43:47 2008 From: lothan at newsguy.com (Lothan) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:43:47 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Fw: RAINBOW scans Message-ID: <2D85FC7C32E849E19A68DD0DBA15E5B0@Crossfire> I think a few of you misinterpreted my meaning. I am not attempting to imply in any way whether the digitization effort of Rainbow back issues should or should not proceed. I was merely attempting to clarify a question regarding the possible intent of Lonnie's agreement. As I said, I have no qualms whatever with digitally reproducing the back issues and I am not attempting to issue flame bait or to discourage this effort. I will not discuss this further since some of you are a bit too quick on the flame trigger. This is the primary reason I don't participate here very often. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lothan" Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:31 PM To: Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans > Rainbow had "first publication" rights with some of the authors, which > means Rainbow is legally allowed to publish the first copy of the article > but all further rights remain with the author. The agreement with Lonnie > effectively keeps Lonnie in control of the digital copies so he continues > to have "first publication" rights. I'm definitely not a copyright lawyer, > but I don't think these "first publication" rights can be transferred > since Lonnie has no authority over these rights. So, yes I believe you are > mostly correct when you say Lonnie could be held liable if he allowed > anyone to access digital copies of the magazine and anyone providing > access to digital copies can also be held liable. > > I don't know if anyone would dispute copyright given Rainbow hasn't been > published for so long. I certainly don't have any qualms with any of the > articles I wrote, but all of my rights are assigned to Rainbow anyway so I > have no legal bearing in the matter. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether > the death of Lonnie has any impact on the digitization and distribution > agreement so I won't say anything regarding this lest I stick my foot > firmly in my mouth. > > From fwp at deepthought.com Thu Aug 14 15:41:58 2008 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:41:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Fw: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <2D85FC7C32E849E19A68DD0DBA15E5B0@Crossfire> References: <2D85FC7C32E849E19A68DD0DBA15E5B0@Crossfire> Message-ID: <20080814194158.GC31300@warlock.deepthought.com> There's been a lot of talk here about what's legal and what's not legal. Sadly none of the people commenting are lawyers. Maybe it's time for us to contact a lawyer and find out what the exact legalities are. My understanding is that there was a contract between the person heading up the "rainbow on a dvd" project that is still valid even after his death. There was also a post by the person (sorry I don't remember the name. no slight intended) that the project is moving forward. All the magazines have been scanned and are currently being converted into their final form for the dvd. When the conversions are made and the disk is "mastered" the disks will be sold and the terms of the contract made with Lonnie will be fullfilled. I don't know how much longer it will be before the disks are available for sale but it may be a good idea for everyone and their brother and sister to hold off scanning their copies and making them available for download in clear violation of copyrights. It may cause the current owner of the works to cancel the agreement that's in place for the "rainbow on dvd" project!! It would also be nice if the person managing the project would post a sentence or paragraph from time to time to let us know how things are going. Frank On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:43:47AM -0700, Lothan wrote: > I think a few of you misinterpreted my meaning. I am not attempting to > imply in any way whether the digitization effort of Rainbow back issues > should or should not proceed. I was merely attempting to clarify a question > regarding the possible intent of Lonnie's agreement. > > As I said, I have no qualms whatever with digitally reproducing the back > issues and I am not attempting to issue flame bait or to discourage this > effort. I will not discuss this further since some of you are a bit too > quick on the flame trigger. This is the primary reason I don't participate > here very often. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lothan" > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:31 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans > >> Rainbow had "first publication" rights with some of the authors, which >> means Rainbow is legally allowed to publish the first copy of the article >> but all further rights remain with the author. The agreement with Lonnie >> effectively keeps Lonnie in control of the digital copies so he continues >> to have "first publication" rights. I'm definitely not a copyright lawyer, >> but I don't think these "first publication" rights can be transferred >> since Lonnie has no authority over these rights. So, yes I believe you are >> mostly correct when you say Lonnie could be held liable if he allowed >> anyone to access digital copies of the magazine and anyone providing >> access to digital copies can also be held liable. >> >> I don't know if anyone would dispute copyright given Rainbow hasn't been >> published for so long. I certainly don't have any qualms with any of the >> articles I wrote, but all of my rights are assigned to Rainbow anyway so I >> have no legal bearing in the matter. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether >> the death of Lonnie has any impact on the digitization and distribution >> agreement so I won't say anything regarding this lest I stick my foot >> firmly in my mouth. >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jlhickle at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 15:04:04 2008 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Fw: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <2D85FC7C32E849E19A68DD0DBA15E5B0@Crossfire> Message-ID: <247244.9350.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't see why people are so fired up about old magazines. Which would do more for the community, re-reading old Rainbows or creating something new? --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Lothan wrote: > From: Lothan > Subject: [Coco] Fw: RAINBOW scans > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 2:43 PM > I think a few of you misinterpreted my meaning. I am not > attempting to imply > in any way whether the digitization effort of Rainbow back > issues should or > should not proceed. I was merely attempting to clarify a > question regarding > the possible intent of Lonnie's agreement. > > As I said, I have no qualms whatever with digitally > reproducing the back > issues and I am not attempting to issue flame bait or to > discourage this > effort. I will not discuss this further since some of you > are a bit too > quick on the flame trigger. This is the primary reason I > don't participate > here very often. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lothan" > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:31 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Coco] RAINBOW scans > > > Rainbow had "first publication" rights with > some of the authors, which > > means Rainbow is legally allowed to publish the first > copy of the article > > but all further rights remain with the author. The > agreement with Lonnie > > effectively keeps Lonnie in control of the digital > copies so he continues > > to have "first publication" rights. I'm > definitely not a copyright lawyer, > > but I don't think these "first > publication" rights can be transferred > > since Lonnie has no authority over these rights. So, > yes I believe you are > > mostly correct when you say Lonnie could be held > liable if he allowed > > anyone to access digital copies of the magazine and > anyone providing > > access to digital copies can also be held liable. > > > > I don't know if anyone would dispute copyright > given Rainbow hasn't been > > published for so long. I certainly don't have any > qualms with any of the > > articles I wrote, but all of my rights are assigned to > Rainbow anyway so I > > have no legal bearing in the matter. Unfortunately, I > have no idea whether > > the death of Lonnie has any impact on the digitization > and distribution > > agreement so I won't say anything regarding this > lest I stick my foot > > firmly in my mouth. > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 15:14:26 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:14:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Fw: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <247244.9350.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2D85FC7C32E849E19A68DD0DBA15E5B0@Crossfire> <247244.9350.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808141214l5b7884ccq8ffe466e300d2ed9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jim Hickle wrote: > I don't see why people are so fired up about old magazines. Which would do more for the community, re-reading old Rainbows or creating something new? I could see someone new to the CoCo community gaining the knowledge they need to create something new from reading the old Rainbows for the first time, so that's a bit of a trick question ;) Rod From jlhickle at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 16:04:23 2008 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Fw: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808141214l5b7884ccq8ffe466e300d2ed9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <843480.8240.qm@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Rod Barnhart wrote: > From: Rod Barnhart > Subject: Re: [Coco] Fw: RAINBOW scans > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 3:14 PM > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jim Hickle > wrote: > > I don't see why people are so fired up about old > magazines. Which would do more for the community, > re-reading old Rainbows or creating something new? > > I could see someone new to the CoCo community gaining the > knowledge > they need to create something new from reading the old > Rainbows for > the first time, so that's a bit of a trick question ;) > Thank you. I confess I didn't even think of new folks. From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Thu Aug 14 16:58:32 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:58:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3114FF33-2BE9-458B-91C1-19D653C674B6@serialtechnologies.com> On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Michael Harwood wrote: > I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and > distribute > the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the > agreement I > had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the > scanning > and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. Alright, due to the general uproar and, in particular, Michael's clear intent to rat me out, I have taken down my archive of Rainbow magazines and will keep them to myself. I have no desire to make myself an easy target for overly-litigious Protectors of the Worthless. Get over yourselves, people, this stuff has no commercial value. C. From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Aug 14 17:18:09 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:18:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <3114FF33-2BE9-458B-91C1-19D653C674B6@serialtechnologies.com> Message-ID: <20080814171809.JMWZD.264887.imail@fed1rmwml30> Yea! the voice of reason! I know you all love the coco, and I have fond memories of my times with it also, but lets not give it more value than it deserves! As I recall it was a red-headed stepchild (no offence intended) when it was at its in its prime! (toung in cheek). I still own and have working 2 coco III's re-cased with hard drives, multipacks 3 1/2 and 5 1/2 floppies and a book case full of software and documentation. So you know I am a coco fan. Oh Ya I was also the president of a coco club here in Phoenix for a year or two. and a member for longer. Tim Fadden ---- Chuck Youse wrote: On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Michael Harwood wrote: > I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and > distribute > the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the > agreement I > had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the > scanning > and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. Alright, due to the general uproar and, in particular, Michael's clear intent to rat me out, I have taken down my archive of Rainbow magazines and will keep them to myself. I have no desire to make myself an easy target for overly-litigious Protectors of the Worthless. Get over yourselves, people, this stuff has no commercial value. C. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From chadbh74 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:19:04 2008 From: chadbh74 at hotmail.com (Chad H) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <3114FF33-2BE9-458B-91C1-19D653C674B6@serialtechnologies.com> References: <3114FF33-2BE9-458B-91C1-19D653C674B6@serialtechnologies.com> Message-ID: Would you please make sure to let us know all those who would threaten legal action over these magazines, which as you correctly point out are of no commercial value any longer, and any relevant organization they may be associated with so I can be sure to boycott them if they are into sales of any kind. -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Youse Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:59 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Michael Harwood wrote: > I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and > distribute > the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the > agreement I > had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the > scanning > and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. Alright, due to the general uproar and, in particular, Michael's clear intent to rat me out, I have taken down my archive of Rainbow magazines and will keep them to myself. I have no desire to make myself an easy target for overly-litigious Protectors of the Worthless. Get over yourselves, people, this stuff has no commercial value. C. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From os9dude at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:45:51 2008 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:45:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5631e580808141445m7336c4d1ydcdf14a74ba59646@mail.gmail.com> I only wish we would be as conscious and adhere to the letter to other great deal many of things. The CoCo is nowadays a hobby to me, a breath of fresh air every time I use it. My conscience dictates me to adhere to the FUN factor of it. When this project was first announced it created a stir, wow!... The Rainbow Magazine up in full swing after all these years. I was excited pretty much in the same way each month when I went out to my mailbox expecting to see my copy freshly delivered. Knowing some of the things Lonnie pulled off during those years (as not all was sweet and perky), he must be having a laugh worth all the 8 bit computers in the world with all this political correctness flying back and forth. On a hobby with less than perhaps 100 people actively pursuing it... in the world. You can keep your The Rainbow DVD collection. I don't want any part of it. -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Michael Harwood < michael at musicheadproductions.org> wrote: > I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and distribute > the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the agreement I > had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the > scanning > and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. From dgacke at ektarion.com Thu Aug 14 17:53:33 2008 From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:53:33 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <5631e580808141445m7336c4d1ydcdf14a74ba59646@mail.gmail.com> References: <5631e580808141445m7336c4d1ydcdf14a74ba59646@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201c8fe58$32c75300$9855f900$@com> I agree completely Rogelio. I don't want the DVD either. It is a hobby here as well, and one that gets more neglected all the time due to the fact that nobody ever wants to pool resources, for fear of the copyright Nazis. If someone wants to swap magazine scans or other CoCo stuff off-list, drop me a note. Dave -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Rogelio Perea Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:46 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans I only wish we would be as conscious and adhere to the letter to other great deal many of things. The CoCo is nowadays a hobby to me, a breath of fresh air every time I use it. My conscience dictates me to adhere to the FUN factor of it. When this project was first announced it created a stir, wow!... The Rainbow Magazine up in full swing after all these years. I was excited pretty much in the same way each month when I went out to my mailbox expecting to see my copy freshly delivered. Knowing some of the things Lonnie pulled off during those years (as not all was sweet and perky), he must be having a laugh worth all the 8 bit computers in the world with all this political correctness flying back and forth. On a hobby with less than perhaps 100 people actively pursuing it... in the world. You can keep your The Rainbow DVD collection. I don't want any part of it. -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Michael Harwood < michael at musicheadproductions.org> wrote: > I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and distribute > the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the agreement I > had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the > scanning > and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From flexser at fiu.edu Thu Aug 14 18:40:51 2008 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity In-Reply-To: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E0109B92B@setec-server.SETEC.COM> Message-ID: There was a stand-alone program I wrote called MENU.BIN on the Extended ADOS-3 disk that is similar to what he describes, and which, after being configured, was also incorporated into the Ext. ADOS-3 EPROM as the MENU command. I think there was also an earlier version for the 32-column screen, not written by me, that was called BOOT.BAS (or possibly BOOT.BIN) that was included with some earlier ADOS versions. These programs were based in part on the utility Tony was probably thinking of, a program by Jeff Francis called "Disk Utility" or DUT, or something like that. Marty Goodman, myself, and a few other people informally sold various copies by word of mouth, sometimes through CoCo user groups, and forwarded the proceeds to Jeff for a while; I don't know of its ever having been formally marketed. It was in some ways more powerful than the MENU command in Ext. ADOS-3, in that it could do formatting and also had a handy "Super Copy" feature that allowed the user to highlight a subset of files to be copied from one disk to another in a single operation, and a "Super Kill" feature for similar selective file deletions. Art On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Chester A Patterson wrote: > I seem to recall ADOS had something like that... O perhaps my mem is > fading from all the rain we're getting. > /Chester > Costa Rica > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Cappellini [mailto:cappy2112 at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:46 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity > > I used to use a great directory utility program under DIsk Basic. > > We called it 'Z; (this may not be the original name, but I can't > remember anything other than that) It was something like Windows > Explorer from W95 days (or Xtree Gold from MS DOS). > > It had two panels, where one side was the source the other was the > destination. > It was great for copying files between floppies, renaming files, > formatting floppies, etc. > > I remember needing the 64K upgrade to run it. > > Does anyone remember or have this program? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tjseagrove at writeme.com Thu Aug 14 18:46:49 2008 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity In-Reply-To: References: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E0109B92B@setec-server.SETEC.COM> Message-ID: <01a801c8fe5f$a3780840$ea6818c0$@com> I used to use KDISK3 (upgrade of KDISK which was coco2 version) and had ordered direct from the author. I have no idea who it was but it was a very popular program... Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Flexser Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:41 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity There was a stand-alone program I wrote called MENU.BIN on the Extended ADOS-3 disk that is similar to what he describes, and which, after being configured, was also incorporated into the Ext. ADOS-3 EPROM as the MENU command. I think there was also an earlier version for the 32-column screen, not written by me, that was called BOOT.BAS (or possibly BOOT.BIN) that was included with some earlier ADOS versions. These programs were based in part on the utility Tony was probably thinking of, a program by Jeff Francis called "Disk Utility" or DUT, or something like that. Marty Goodman, myself, and a few other people informally sold various copies by word of mouth, sometimes through CoCo user groups, and forwarded the proceeds to Jeff for a while; I don't know of its ever having been formally marketed. It was in some ways more powerful than the MENU command in Ext. ADOS-3, in that it could do formatting and also had a handy "Super Copy" feature that allowed the user to highlight a subset of files to be copied from one disk to another in a single operation, and a "Super Kill" feature for similar selective file deletions. Art On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Chester A Patterson wrote: > I seem to recall ADOS had something like that... O perhaps my mem is > fading from all the rain we're getting. > /Chester > Costa Rica > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Cappellini [mailto:cappy2112 at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:46 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity > > I used to use a great directory utility program under DIsk Basic. > > We called it 'Z; (this may not be the original name, but I can't > remember anything other than that) It was something like Windows > Explorer from W95 days (or Xtree Gold from MS DOS). > > It had two panels, where one side was the source the other was the > destination. > It was great for copying files between floppies, renaming files, > formatting floppies, etc. > > I remember needing the 64K upgrade to run it. > > Does anyone remember or have this program? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM From manney.list at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 19:08:46 2008 From: manney.list at gmail.com (Manny) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:08:46 +0100 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A4BAFE.6080809@gmail.com> Michael Harwood wrote: > I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and distribute > the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the agreement I > had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the scanning > and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. Lonnie?s death did not > nullify the agreement ? it has a clause that states the agreement will pass > to Lonnie?s estate in the event of his death. Once his estate is informed > it?s up to them to do something about it ? I know Lonnie would have pursued > litigation but do not know what the stance of his heirs are. They may not > care. Also bear in mind that images of the entire Rainbow run has bee > acquired and there is a person in the process of creating .djvu files for > them ? once this is completed they will be offered for sale as was stated at > the beginning of the project. > ... > > I wish you all good fortune in these endeavors, and am girding myself for > the inevitable and unfortunate flames I expect will follow. Hey all, Just popping in to say that I would think it would be in this community's best interest to not flame someone else who is trying to do it a service. That being said, whether you like it or not, Lonnie had some kind of value attributed to this collection of 20 year old magazines. While it may not have any monetary worth to anyone, it must have held some worth to Lonnie -- whether it was indeed money or just plain hard work and sweat. I don't think it wrong for a person to want to protect their work, whether it's worth anything or not. It is their choice to free it to the public domain (or something similar) if they so choose... It's also their choice NOT to. I think it's the right thing to do to abide by their wishes, even if we don't agree with them. I know that if I could afford it, I would jump at the chance to hold the entire collection of Rainbow Magazine in my hand. Quite a bit of knowledge in there that could fill up some spare time. :) Anyway, just my $ 0.02 as a lurker these days... Hope all of you are well. :) -M. From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 19:31:32 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808141615x7cb8e9d5ic025f447e00eeb73@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808141615x7cb8e9d5ic025f447e00eeb73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808141631w16c50321nfc5663b41e3dcb7c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Chester. That feature could be in ADOS, but I didn't have that (at least not initially). I'm referring to a stand alone program, although I dont remember if it was basic or assembly. Dang- why is it I can remember coco stuff from 82-92 but not what I did last week? ;-) Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:48:47 -0600 From: "Chester A Patterson" Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Message-ID: <0A9B63EA8B906947A409C6F0295CA07E0109B92B at setec-server.SETEC.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I seem to recall ADOS had something like that... O perhaps my mem is fading from all the rain we're getting. /Chester From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Thu Aug 14 19:52:06 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:52:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <48A4BAFE.6080809@gmail.com> References: <48A4BAFE.6080809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1218757926.6472.9.camel@dev> On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 00:08 +0100, Manny wrote: > That being said, whether you like it or not, Lonnie had some kind of > value attributed to this collection of 20 year old magazines. While it > may not have any monetary worth to anyone, it must have held some worth > to Lonnie -- whether it was indeed money or just plain hard work and sweat. > > I don't think it wrong for a person to want to protect their work, > whether it's worth anything or not. It is their choice to free it to the > public domain (or something similar) if they so choose... It's also > their choice NOT to. I think it's the right thing to do to abide by > their wishes, even if we don't agree with them. That really isn't the purpose of copyright law. Somehow it has become commonly misconstrued as the right to protect an author's work (and/or horde it), when really its purpose is to encourage competition through exclusive marketing rights. If you're not going to market it, then copyright can not serve its intended purpose. Read the Constitution. As for respecting Lonnie's wishes - who cares? He wasn't exactly the nicest guy on the planet. C. From theother_bob at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 19:53:17 2008 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans Message-ID: <835908.23487.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well anyone who flames you for holding up your end of the agreement and honoring your word must be some kind of Bush-loving neo-con or something! ;) Good job Michael and everyone who is keeping this project going. Cheers, Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Harwood To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:32:23 AM Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and distribute the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the agreement I had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the scanning and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. Lonnie?s death did not nullify the agreement ? it has a clause that states the agreement will pass to Lonnie?s estate in the event of his death. Once his estate is informed it?s up to them to do something about it ? I know Lonnie would have pursued litigation but do not know what the stance of his heirs are. They may not care. Also bear in mind that images of the entire Rainbow run has bee acquired and there is a person in the process of creating .djvu files for them ? once this is completed they will be offered for sale as was stated at the beginning of the project. In regards to Hot Coco - I contacted the copyright holder of Hot Coco years ago and they stated they will sue anyone who scans in the magazine and distribute it. I have no agreement with them and will not ?blow the whistle? on any of your efforts, but you should at least take this into account. I wish you all good fortune in these endeavors, and am girding myself for the inevitable and unfortunate flames I expect will follow. Regards, Michael Harwood -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From theother_bob at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 20:04:44 2008 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity Message-ID: <412574.37560.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I saw a gui file manager for CC1/2 DECB in the RTSI archive in the Basic section, don't remember what it was called. It had a cartoon hand cursor and ran in PMODE 4 I believe. If you are using a CoCo3 (or emulator) there is a GUI I wrote in Basic called Color FOG (File Operations GUI) which is handy for browsing, renaming, copying and even moving files. Just don't try too many at once (memory limits and what not.) Works on a 128K CC3 with DECB or HDB-DOS with hard drive support. http://www.geocities.com/theother_bob Cheers, Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Cappellini To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:46:05 AM Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity I used to use a great directory utility program under DIsk Basic. We called it 'Z; (this may not be the original name, but I can't remember anything other than that) It was something like Windows Explorer from W95 days (or Xtree Gold from MS DOS). It had two panels, where one side was the source the other was the destination. It was great for copying files between floppies, renaming files, formatting floppies, etc. I remember needing the 64K upgrade to run it. Does anyone remember or have this program? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 20:14:56 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:14:56 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: Well... it didn't take long for the handful of people that run roughshod over the mailing list to run off yet another person that actually wants to do something for the CoCo. Congratulations, I hope you are proud. You don't own the copyrights, those that do couldn't prove damages from copying a magazine that has been out of print for 20 years, and yet you badger and threaten people? Absolutely unreal. Any of you wonder why it's such a small community... gee... I don't know... could it be hostility perhaps? You have no idea how many times I've heard about the hostility of this group from other people in other 8 bit forums. The scan quality of the magazines that were put up was just passable in some places. I don't see how that could compete with the Rainbow on disk project. Look, if you don't like something... fine! Nobody has a problem with that, express your opinion. But please don't repeatedly argue and threaten and try to badger them into submission. All that does is run people off. From fwp at deepthought.com Thu Aug 14 21:10:56 2008 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:10:56 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <20080815011056.GA3970@warlock.deepthought.com> James, I'm going to have to respectfully agree and disagree with your email. :-) Personally if someone wants to scan the copies of Rainbow or any other magazine they have and post it on the web that's their business and I wish them the best of luck. I don't think there is any problem with someone mentioning the legal implications of what they're doing. I do agree that there is a bit of piling on that goes on. Interestingly enough none of the most vocal are lawyers or have consulted a lawyer. With the regularity that this issue seems to come up I think it's time we actually contact a lawyer and post the opinion of a lawyer into a faq of some sort and post it from time to time. I don't remember anyone actually threatening someone on list. I personally am looking forward to the "rainbow on a dvd" disk to become available so I can buy it. Frank On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:14:56AM -0000, James Diffendaffer wrote: > Well... it didn't take long for the handful of people that run > roughshod over the mailing list to run off yet another person that > actually wants to do something for the CoCo. Congratulations, I hope > you are proud. > > You don't own the copyrights, those that do couldn't prove damages > from copying a magazine that has been out of print for 20 years, and > yet you badger and threaten people? Absolutely unreal. > > Any of you wonder why it's such a small community... gee... I don't > know... could it be hostility perhaps? You have no idea how many > times I've heard about the hostility of this group from other people > in other 8 bit forums. > > The scan quality of the magazines that were put up was just passable > in some places. I don't see how that could compete with the Rainbow > on disk project. > > Look, if you don't like something... fine! Nobody has a problem with > that, express your opinion. But please don't repeatedly argue and > threaten and try to badger them into submission. All that does is run > people off. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From steve at batsonphotography.com Thu Aug 14 20:34:00 2008 From: steve at batsonphotography.com (Steve Batson) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:34:00 -0700 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: <693114.14818.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <693114.14818.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just downloaded and installed VCC on my PC running XP Pro. Seems to run fine, but I don't have any software setup to run in it yet. My question is, will my Virtual Disk files from the Vavasour Emulator work with VCC? If not, is there a way to convert them? I'll admit I haven't tried them yet because I need to dig them out. Either way, it would be nice to know how to convert if that's needed. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------------------------- Steve Batson steve at batsonphotography.com http://www.batsonphotography.com http://www.digitalphotographerzone.com On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Derek wrote: > I run it on my Laptop for portable fun but mainly I run it to > transfer disks images on my XP System to 3.5" floppy disks for use > on my CoCo 3 with a 3.5" and 5.25" drive set up. It's by far the > best coco emulator out there. > > > > ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Tony Cappellini wrote: > From: Tony Cappellini > Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:34 AM > > Are there many people running the VCC emulator on this list? > > I've just found it- and I'm impressed, as I always had problems with > the other emulators running on a PC. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Thu Aug 14 20:36:37 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:36:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > The scan quality of the magazines that were put up was just passable > in some places. Bite me! :) In all seriousness, my only concern was content. As long as all the content is present and readable, I don't care if it's skewed, miscolored, etc.. C. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 20:39:50 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <99248.39411.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No flames should be incoming. Everyone has to follow what they feel is right and wrong. That's something to be admired and honored. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Michael Harwood wrote: From: Michael Harwood Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans To: coco at maltedmedia.com Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 8:32 AM I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and distribute the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the agreement I had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the scanning and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. Lonnie?s death did not nullify the agreement ? it has a clause that states the agreement will pass to Lonnie?s estate in the event of his death. Once his estate is informed it?s up to them to do something about it ? I know Lonnie would have pursued litigation but do not know what the stance of his heirs are. They may not care. Also bear in mind that images of the entire Rainbow run has bee acquired and there is a person in the process of creating .djvu files for them ? once this is completed they will be offered for sale as was stated at the beginning of the project. In regards to Hot Coco - I contacted the copyright holder of Hot Coco years ago and they stated they will sue anyone who scans in the magazine and distribute it. I have no agreement with them and will not ?blow the whistle? on any of your efforts, but you should at least take this into account. I wish you all good fortune in these endeavors, and am girding myself for the inevitable and unfortunate flames I expect will follow. Regards, Michael Harwood -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Thu Aug 14 20:46:03 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:46:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C2@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <48A3D531.7080705@cox.net> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C2@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: On Aug 14, 2008, at 3:24 AM, Mike Pepe wrote: > Hey guys, we've been through this too many times. Yes, we are all > aware > that there are legal implications but this project has been stalled > for > no good reason for far too long. And none of us are lawyers anyway, > which makes it indeed "murky"... > While we're on this subject, let's talk about how everyone's panties get bunched up when we talk about scanning ancient magazines, and yet I never hear anyone complaining about downloading NitrOS-9. Now, of course, the FAQ for NitrOS-9 says: Q. Is it legal to download and use NitrOS-9? A. NitrOS-9 has been in existence since 1994, having been created by a number of dedicated individuals within the Color Computer community. Much of the code was written by the original NitrOS-9 team: Wes Gale, Bill Noble and Curtis Boyle. Later, Alan DeKok made even further improvements. Therefore, NitrOS-9 is an operating system created by the Color Computer Community, for the Color Computer Community. Which is untrue. NitrOS-9 is a derived work, comprised largely of disassembled/reverse-engineered Microware code with modifications. As far as I know the copyright holders have not released the copyright, but NitrOS-9 has proclaimed itself an open-source project. So why are we moaning about magazines and ignoring the software? C. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 20:46:19 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <425695.45374.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I did not see anyone run anyone off. In fact all the opinions folks have expressed have been done in a respectful manner unless I missed a message or two it seems to be a civil conversation so far. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Thu, 8/14/08, James Diffendaffer wrote: From: James Diffendaffer Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 5:14 PM Well... it didn't take long for the handful of people that run roughshod over the mailing list to run off yet another person that actually wants to do something for the CoCo. Congratulations, I hope you are proud. From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Aug 14 21:01:41 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:01:41 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <20080815011056.GA3970@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <20080815011056.GA3970@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <48A4D575.9090601@cox.net> From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Aug 14 21:04:53 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:04:53 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <20080815011056.GA3970@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <20080815011056.GA3970@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <48A4D635.8040507@cox.net> As far as the "rainbow on a dvd", I hope I live long enough, (and be functional) to see it! ha ha ha Tim Fadden, 57 and holding. Frank Pittel wrote: > James, > > I'm going to have to respectfully agree and disagree with your email. :-) > > Personally if someone wants to scan the copies of Rainbow or any other > magazine they have and post it on the web that's their business and I wish > them the best of luck. I don't think there is any problem with someone mentioning > the legal implications of what they're doing. I do agree that there is > a bit of piling on that goes on. Interestingly enough none of the most vocal > are lawyers or have consulted a lawyer. With the regularity that this issue > seems to come up I think it's time we actually contact a lawyer and post > the opinion of a lawyer into a faq of some sort and post it from time to time. > > I don't remember anyone actually threatening someone on list. > > I personally am looking forward to the "rainbow on a dvd" disk to become available > so I can buy it. > > Frank > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:14:56AM -0000, James Diffendaffer wrote: > >> Well... it didn't take long for the handful of people that run >> roughshod over the mailing list to run off yet another person that >> actually wants to do something for the CoCo. Congratulations, I hope >> you are proud. >> >> You don't own the copyrights, those that do couldn't prove damages >> from copying a magazine that has been out of print for 20 years, and >> yet you badger and threaten people? Absolutely unreal. >> >> Any of you wonder why it's such a small community... gee... I don't >> know... could it be hostility perhaps? You have no idea how many >> times I've heard about the hostility of this group from other people >> in other 8 bit forums. >> >> The scan quality of the magazines that were put up was just passable >> in some places. I don't see how that could compete with the Rainbow >> on disk project. >> >> Look, if you don't like something... fine! Nobody has a problem with >> that, express your opinion. But please don't repeatedly argue and >> threaten and try to badger them into submission. All that does is run >> people off. >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 21:12:24 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:12:24 -0700 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808141812r1b0fa27axe7efe0f23acfb020@mail.gmail.com> >>I just downloaded and installed VCC on my PC running XP Pro. Seems to >>run fine, but I don't have any software setup to run in it yet. Yep- here too. Well, I've booted Nitros9- gotta do it from D0 only. But I don't know what I need to do to get the hard disk image that comes with Vcc to work under Nitros9. I probably need to cobbler something- ehh? Should Nitros9 be able to read the RTC image that is in the MPI, that comes with VCC? From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 21:14:50 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:14:50 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808141814i555db714gb6105ed46c50f281@mail.gmail.com> Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Arthur Flexser Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity >>These programs were based in part on the utility Tony was probably thinking of, >>a program by Jeff Francis called "Disk Utility" or DUT, or something like that. Now that name rings a bell- I think that's the one Art. Any idea where Jeff is these days? I'd love to get that program again ;-) From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 21:27:10 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Disk Util for the coco Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808141827s5a2b71d2yd183505769f002c5@mail.gmail.com> There are other references to Disk Util here. http://www.vavasour.ca/cfdm/issue04.htm http://www.vavasour.ca/cfdm/issue46.htm http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/coco/text/history.html This program was for RSDOS what Xtree Gold was to the IBM DOS From steve at batsonphotography.com Thu Aug 14 21:30:32 2008 From: steve at batsonphotography.com (Steve Batson) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:30:32 -0700 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: References: <693114.14818.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5096F9D2-4387-45EC-A7DF-AED9A12C3562@batsonphotography.com> Well I answered my own question on this one, I was able to find some of my Virtual Disk Files and mounted and ran a few programs from them. My Sands of Egypt one doesn't seem to work though, that sucks. I know it's a good file because I've run it under other CoCo emulators. Another thing I noticed is, when set the Composite Monitor Mode to play games that use artifacting, there's that old issue that sometimes the screen is Red and Sometimes Blue, depending on the game, the colors can be off...Reset on a real coco used to fix it after a few times. This doesn't seem to work on VCC so the Tom Mix Donkey Kong clone has blue and red reversed. Any thoughts? ------------------------------------------------------- Steve Batson steve at batsonphotography.com http://www.batsonphotography.com http://www.digitalphotographerzone.com On Aug 14, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Steve Batson wrote: > I just downloaded and installed VCC on my PC running XP Pro. Seems > to run fine, but I don't have any software setup to run in it yet. > > My question is, will my Virtual Disk files from the Vavasour > Emulator work with VCC? If not, is there a way to convert them? > I'll admit I haven't tried them yet because I need to dig them out. > Either way, it would be nice to know how to convert if that's > needed. Thanks in advance. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Batson > steve at batsonphotography.com > http://www.batsonphotography.com > http://www.digitalphotographerzone.com > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Derek wrote: > >> I run it on my Laptop for portable fun but mainly I run it to >> transfer disks images on my XP System to 3.5" floppy disks for >> use on my CoCo 3 with a 3.5" and 5.25" drive set up. It's by far >> the best coco emulator out there. >> >> >> >> ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** >> >> >> >> >> --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Tony Cappellini wrote: >> From: Tony Cappellini >> Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:34 AM >> >> Are there many people running the VCC emulator on this list? >> >> I've just found it- and I'm impressed, as I always had problems with >> the other emulators running on a PC. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 21:31:43 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:31:43 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As long as someone brought up software... the ROMs are still copyrighted by Microsoft and Microware but EVERYONE that runs an emulator is using a copy. And I wouldn't be surprised to see a license agreement in the manuals that says you may not copy it. EDTASM is copyrighted and you aren't supposed to reverse engineer or copy it yet I've seen someone selling patches to it. And how many of you that are speaking out about copyrights have purchased or legally obtained every coco program you have a copy of? Or music, movies... whatever. I have my doubts about this group being full of saints. From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 21:34:53 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:34:53 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BTW, I don't remember the CoCo3 Donkey Kong clone having any type of legal license but I could be wrong. Knowing Nintendo I have my doubts. --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" wrote: > > As long as someone brought up software... > > the ROMs are still copyrighted by Microsoft and Microware but EVERYONE > that runs an emulator is using a copy. And I wouldn't be surprised to > see a license agreement in the manuals that says you may not copy it. > > EDTASM is copyrighted and you aren't supposed to reverse engineer or > copy it yet I've seen someone selling patches to it. > > And how many of you that are speaking out about copyrights have > purchased or legally obtained every coco program you have a copy of? > Or music, movies... whatever. > > I have my doubts about this group being full of saints. > From diegoba at adinet.com.uy Thu Aug 14 21:45:42 2008 From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (Diego Barizo) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:45:42 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808140046v1b4b12aam4f53ba85688790af@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808140046v1b4b12aam4f53ba85688790af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A4DFC6.107@adinet.com.uy> In case you can't find what you are looking for... I wrote a small program I to use as a file manager. I tried to keep it small, in order to be able to copy it in every disk I have without wasting much space. If you want to give it a look... http://yaccs.info/PROGRAMAS/XFILER/xfiler.html I appreciate any feedback, since it's the first big program I wrote for the CoCo in the last 10-15 years Diego Tony Cappellini wrote: > I used to use a great directory utility program under DIsk Basic. > > We called it 'Z; (this may not be the original name, but I can't > remember anything other than that) > It was something like Windows Explorer from W95 days (or Xtree Gold > from MS DOS). > > It had two panels, where one side was the source the other was the destination. > It was great for copying files between floppies, renaming files, > formatting floppies, etc. > > I remember needing the 64K upgrade to run it. > > Does anyone remember or have this program? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From jorge_machin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 21:54:55 2008 From: jorge_machin at hotmail.com (Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The real question is who is the brave one to publish the magazines in his website.Jorge > To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com> From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:31:43 +0000> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans> > As long as someone brought up software...> > the ROMs are still copyrighted by Microsoft and Microware but EVERYONE> that runs an emulator is using a copy. And I wouldn't be surprised to> see a license agreement in the manuals that says you may not copy it.> > EDTASM is copyrighted and you aren't supposed to reverse engineer or> copy it yet I've seen someone selling patches to it.> > And how many of you that are speaking out about copyrights have> purchased or legally obtained every coco program you have a copy of?> Or music, movies... whatever.> > I have my doubts about this group being full of saints.> > > --> Coco mailing list> Coco at maltedmedia.com> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Aug 14 22:08:59 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:08:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C3@fenestra.lamunet.local> No flames from me, but maybe you can help clarify a few things for me (and the larger and seemingly very interested group) Can you share the exact verbage of the agreement you have with Lonnie? It would be very helpful to understand the T&C's, what he expected, what penalty (if any) there was for violating the agreement, etc. Also I may be able to run it past some lawyer-types at work. I understand Microsoft has a few lawyers on staff. I am also interested in knowing when you attempted to contact the estate, and what (if any) response you have gotten. We all want to see this content archived and available. Currently you have the only legally binding means of getting this accomplished. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Michael Harwood > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:32 AM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans > > I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and > distribute > the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to the agreement > I > had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities surrounding the > scanning > and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to him. Lonnie?s death did > not > nullify the agreement ? it has a clause that states the agreement will > pass > to Lonnie?s estate in the event of his death. Once his estate is > informed > it?s up to them to do something about it ? I know Lonnie would have > pursued > litigation but do not know what the stance of his heirs are. They may > not > care. Also bear in mind that images of the entire Rainbow run has bee > acquired and there is a person in the process of creating .djvu files > for > them ? once this is completed they will be offered for sale as was > stated at > the beginning of the project. > > In regards to Hot Coco - I contacted the copyright holder of Hot Coco > years > ago and they stated they will sue anyone who scans in the magazine and > distribute it. I have no agreement with them and will not ?blow the > whistle? on any of your efforts, but you should at least take this into > account. > > I wish you all good fortune in these endeavors, and am girding myself > for > the inevitable and unfortunate flames I expect will follow. > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From os9dude at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 22:34:33 2008 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5631e580808141934r200ab7b3x3672cdeac5a3bdfc@mail.gmail.com> It is an needlessly complicated situation. Perhaps because we're such a small group?. It is just because of that 'complication' everything seems to be approached with in regards of trying to keep the information alive, that I feel the effort is tainted (thus my claim of not having an interest in ever acquiring the product)... too many hands on one tie and you'll end up with a botched knot, or no knot at all. I bet everyone here is aware of what copyright means. We're no lawyers... do we really need a pro voice to come and tell us what everyone knows already?. If an effort is ongoing to legally do everything so be it... just do it, the law is on your side. But if someone else comes about and says "I have scanned such and such and they're on my site" *WHY* jump on the righteous wagon and start a holy war on copyrights this and copyrights that? yet once again?. It gets boring, pretty much like a chewed up gum that has lost its flavor and has gotten as hard as dried up silicone but still we chew. I have photocopied articles of the magazine, both the Rainbow and Hot CoCo and CCN and what have you, and have shared with fellow CoCo users all over the world, SINCE THE DAYS OF THE GLORIFIED BBSs... and Fidonet... remember the CoCo Echos? :-) To a purist my statement above may read like the holy grail on piracy and see me with a big black patch on my left eye, unworthy of perhaps even posting here in this group and still have the nerve of calling myself a CoCo nut. Tsk tsk... -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:34 PM, James Diffendaffer wrote: > BTW, I don't remember the CoCo3 Donkey Kong clone having any type of > legal license but I could be wrong. Knowing Nintendo I have my doubts. > > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" > wrote: > > > > As long as someone brought up software... > > > > the ROMs are still copyrighted by Microsoft and Microware but EVERYONE > > that runs an emulator is using a copy. And I wouldn't be surprised to > > see a license agreement in the manuals that says you may not copy it. > > > > EDTASM is copyrighted and you aren't supposed to reverse engineer or > > copy it yet I've seen someone selling patches to it. > > > > And how many of you that are speaking out about copyrights have > > purchased or legally obtained every coco program you have a copy of? > > Or music, movies... whatever. > > > > I have my doubts about this group being full of saints. > From rbihler at msn.com Thu Aug 14 22:33:10 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:33:10 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media Message-ID: Forgive as I am an outsider voicing my opinions. It has been a very long time since I was active in the Coco Community, a really long time for that matter. I was very familiar with the likes of Warren Hrach, Charles Pippin and many others that contributed to the BBS community and Fidonet at the time. How this has all changed but yet stayed the same. When I took on the project of connecting into the Fidonet (Those not familair - it was similair to this group but all the people involved would contact a local connect or in many cases a Long distance connection to share messages across the country). At that time the primary systems connected where the XT and AT's of the day. It took some very good and willing to people to put up with the software I created and the problems. Somehow it did get done. The coco has always been the underdog to the bigger machines, but has had a solid following (Small thought). I syspect many people are like myself, I was big time into the Coco and OS9. Countless hours of typing in Rainbow programs. However I have a very fond memory of this time, I have since moved on. This is really very old technology. I also work with a bunch of old Hardware based on 6809 or 68000 processors, robotics etc. I can't tell you how hard it is to find software or hardware for these old machines, if at all. After holding onto the Hardware and Magizines for 15 years, I ended up disposing of it (Prior to Ebay being big) as there was NO interest. I had all of them up to the introduction of the MM/1, this included Hot Coco/ Rainbow and a few issues on one I can't even remember. Regrets yes, but realality steps in and I can't keep it all. It would be a shame to lose this piece of history, I do hope something happens to archive it. This sounds like many old hardware peices I use, much of the data is lost forever. Someone has it in a dark store room getting moldy to never see the light of day. I myself have nothing left from this time, I had passed on my files for porting to the MM/1. This is history, the only value is for the collector and this group and this has to be very limited. Really now how many people are willing to fork out even 20 bucks for a DVD, 20, 40 ??? Again just me two cents worth. Had to say something. Ron Bihler Author of RiBBS system. From dgacke at ektarion.com Thu Aug 14 22:50:26 2008 From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:50:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <20080815011056.GA3970@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <023501c8fdc3$a195ac90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <20080815011056.GA3970@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <005501c8fe81$abef1d70$03cd5850$@com> Hi Frank, In regards to this part you mentioned here... > I don't remember anyone actually threatening someone on list. I remember seeing this, and this is what troubles me. > I agree that the Coco community should be allowed to scan in and > distribute the Rainbow, but I am bound by my conscience to adhere to > the agreement I had with Lonnie of reporting any and all activities > surrounding the scanning and distribution of the Rainbow magazines to > him. Michael, maybe you could explain what you meant by this please. Were you planning on reporting Chuck's scanning activities to Lonnie's estate, or were you just planning on just reporting your own? I'm hoping you meant you were just going to inform him about your own. Dave Gacke From neilsmorr at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 23:28:25 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:28:25 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans References: Message-ID: <051d01c8fe88$91c9fbc0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Hot Coco was a Wayne Green effort. Even his '73' magazine folded in 2003. It seems Hot Coco was sold to CWI but I have no idea who or what they are. Ideally there would be a way for Google to archive these forever but any scheme is better than no scheme. This is, after all, a very important part of our history. We did it on a 1Mhz computer with 16 K of ram, not a 3 GHz dual core processor with 4 GB of ram! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Harwood" In regards to Hot Coco - I contacted the copyright holder of Hot Coco years ago and they stated they will sue anyone who scans in the magazine and distribute it. I have no agreement with them and will not ?blow the whistle? on any of your efforts, but you should at least take this into account. From neilsmorr at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 23:32:58 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:32:58 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans References: <5631e580808141445m7336c4d1ydcdf14a74ba59646@mail.gmail.com> <003201c8fe58$32c75300$9855f900$@com> Message-ID: <051e01c8fe88$93214e60$0101a8c0@NewBaby> I know several places I can go to to download the Vista OS or Office 2007 (though why anyone would want to is another story - bleck!). If Microsoft can't control its own current software, it's hard to see why anyone would pay a $300+ an hour attorney to do anything about stuff that's 25 years old now. Unless of course they are totally nuts. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gacke" >I agree completely Rogelio. I don't want the DVD either. > > It is a hobby here as well, and one that gets more neglected all the time > due to the fact that nobody ever wants to pool resources, for fear of the > copyright Nazis. > > If someone wants to swap magazine scans or other CoCo stuff off-list, drop > me a note. > > > Dave From neilsmorr at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 00:33:15 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:33:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans Message-ID: <001901c8fe90$0b274d90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> >From http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/2005-July/017380.html See also http://www.idg.com/www/idgproducts.nsf/typeform?readform&type=website -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Wayne Harwood michael at musicheadproductions.org Fri Jul 22 15:40:50 EDT 2005 This makes me very sad, but I wasn't terribly surprised by her last response. Regards, Michael Harwood _____ From: Michael Wayne Harwood [mailto:michael at musicheadproductions.org] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:33 PM To: 'miriam_karlin at idg.com' Cc: 'howard_sholkin at idg.com' Subject: RE: Hot Coco Miriam, You stated earlier that IDG does not have authorities proof that IDG owns these copyrights. In addition the United States Copyright office has records of many the "Hot Coco" magazines that list Wayne Green as the copyright holder, not CW Communications. I would welcome it if you would be willing to provide documentation of what magazines you claim ownership to. If you are unwilling or unable to provide this documentation I will have to assume that it does not exist. I will continue my conversations with the original authors, and if I discover proof that an owner has kept his copyright I will proceed as the situation warrants. Since you have stated that you wish no further communication with me in regards to this I will assume that IDG is not interested in any documentation I may unearth unless you request it from me. I will not bother you any further with this, but I am saddened at the tone you have elected to use to communicate IDG's position - especially since I have come to you in good faith and done my best to honor both your organization and the laws of our country. Sincerely, Michael Harwood _____ From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:09 PM To: michael at musicheadproductions.org Subject: RE: Hot Coco Michael, I don't have the agreements that were originally signed. I will not spend any more time on this. The copyrights are the property of IDG's subsidiaries and as such if infringement takes place, we will puruse legal remedies. The End. Best regards, Miriam *********************************** Miriam R. Karlin Manager, Legal Affairs International Data Group, Inc. 5 Speen Street Framingham, MA 01701 phone 508.935.4686 fax 508.424.4807 efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) email miriam_karlin at idg.com ************************************ "Michael Wayne Harwood" 07/22/05 11:00 AM To cc Subject RE: Hot Coco Miriam, I do not understand. You stated originally "We cannot give permission because we do not know what rights we obtained from the author when we first published.", and also stated "You could try and contact the original author.". Based on these statements I assume that if I were to obtain permission from the authors, which I have been fairly successful in doing, then IDG would have no complaints surrounding our releasing articles and program code for general consumption. Am I correct? If I were to scan in, OCR, and re-publish the "Elmer's Arcade" series by Richard Ramella (which I have obtained his specific permission to do) would I receive a cease and desist order from IDG? Thank you again for your time! Regards, Michael Harwood _____ From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:50 AM To: michael at musicheadproductions.org Cc: howard_sholkin at idg.com; miriam_karlin at idg.com Subject: RE: Hot Coco Michael, We will NOT give you permission. Best regards, Miriam *********************************** Miriam R. Karlin Manager, Legal Affairs International Data Group, Inc. 5 Speen Street Framingham, MA 01701 phone 508.935.4686 fax 508.424.4807 efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) email miriam_karlin at idg.com ************************************ "Michael Wayne Harwood" 07/20/05 11:12 AM To cc Subject RE: Hot Coco Miriam, First of all I would like to thank you for your time - I truly appreciate your taking the effort to answer my queries. I have contacted several of the original authors of some of the more prevalent features and articles, and I am compiling a list of people whom are willing to give permission to re-publish their works. If permissions from the original authors have been given to re-publish their works would that satisfy any concerns that IDG has? I wish to reiterate that this is a "not for profit" endeavor whose main goal is archival of the information and articles from Hot Coco so that they will not be lost. Regards, Michael Harwood _____ From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:44 PM To: michael at musicheadproductions.org Cc: howard_sholkin at idg.com; miriam_karlin at idg.com Subject: RE: Hot Coco You could try to contact the original author. Thank you. Best regards, Miriam *********************************** Miriam R. Karlin Manager, Legal Affairs International Data Group, Inc. 5 Speen Street Framingham, MA 01701 phone 508.935.4686 fax 508.424.4807 efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) email miriam_karlin at idg.com ************************************ "Michael Wayne Harwood" 07/19/2005 10:49 AM To cc Subject RE: Hot Coco Miriam, Can I assume then that the copyright of those issues of the magazine listed on the US copyright site that are not marked with CW Communications is still owned by Wayne Green? There are several issues that do not have CR Communications listed. My understanding of the issues surrounding this is that you do not know what licensing agreement is in force with the original authors. Would you be willing to consider this matter further if I was able to contact the original author and obtain their permission to re-publish their articles? Regards, Michael Harwood _____ From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:00 PM To: michael at musicheadproductions.org Cc: howard_sholkin at idg.com; miriam_karlin at idg.com Subject: RE: Hot Coco Michael, If you look carefully at the Hot CoCo copyrights, there is an assignment to CW Communications, Inc., IDG's wholly owned subsidiary. Thank you. Best regards, Miriam *********************************** Miriam R. Karlin Manager, Legal Affairs International Data Group, Inc. 5 Speen Street Framingham, MA 01701 phone 508.935.4686 fax 508.424.4807 efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) email miriam_karlin at idg.com ************************************ "Michael Wayne Harwood" 07/12/2005 01:52 PM To cc Subject RE: Hot Coco Miriam, I understand - thank you. I have one last question. I looked up the copyright status on the US copyright site and it appears that a large number of magazines are listed as being under the copyright of Wayne Green, Inc. I know that Wayne sold the magazine to IDG years ago, but the US copyright office does not seem to be aware of a change in copyright owner. Is their information incorrect? Regards, Michael Harwood _____ From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:46 AM To: michael at musicheadproductions.org Cc: howard_sholkin at idg.com Subject: RE: Hot Coco Michael, We cannot give permission because we do not know what rights we obtained from the author when we first published. Sorry. Best regards, Miriam *********************************** Miriam R. Karlin Manager, Legal Affairs International Data Group, Inc. 5 Speen Street Framingham, MA 01701 phone 508.935.4686 fax 508.424.4807 efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) email miriam_karlin at idg.com ************************************ From lamune at doki-doki.net Fri Aug 15 01:31:36 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:31:36 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C6@fenestra.lamunet.local> I'd do it. Worst that can happen is I get a notice from someone saying take it down or "else". There's a lot worse things out there publically available for download that actually do have real intrinsic value. 20 year old magazines do not. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Renato Machin Ibarra > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:55 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans > > The real question is who is the brave one to publish the magazines in > his website.Jorge > > > To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com> From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:31:43 +0000> Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] > Re: RAINBOW scans> > As long as someone brought up software...> > the > ROMs are still copyrighted by Microsoft and Microware but EVERYONE> > that runs an emulator is using a copy. And I wouldn't be surprised to> > see a license agreement in the manuals that says you may not copy it.> > > EDTASM is copyrighted and you aren't supposed to reverse engineer or> > copy it yet I've seen someone selling patches to it.> > And how many of > you that are speaking out about copyrights have> purchased or legally > obtained every coco program you have a copy of?> Or music, movies... > whatever.> > I have my doubts about this group being full of saints.> > > > --> Coco mailing list> Coco at maltedmedia.com> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the new Windows Vista > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 01:59:49 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:59:49 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808142259i6cfa882eu18f71f8caf01a58@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Diego, that was very nice of you to do that ! Message: 7 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:45:42 -0300 From: Diego Barizo Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for a DECB directory utlity To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Message-ID: <48A4DFC6.107 at adinet.com.uy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed In case you can't find what you are looking for... I wrote a small program I to use as a file manager. I tried to keep it small, in order to be able to copy it in every disk I have without wasting much space. If you want to give it a look... http://yaccs.info/PROGRAMAS/XFILER/xfiler.html I appreciate any feedback, since it's the first big program I wrote for the CoCo in the last 10-15 years From neilsmorr at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 02:17:42 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:17:42 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans References: <001901c8fe90$0b274d90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C5@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <009801c8fe9f$975da110$0101a8c0@NewBaby> My take on this is that they actually didn't know what the deal was with every one of the many authors. As a result they weren't willing to approve any copying of the magazines because there was no money to be made; and they weren't willing to expend any time in what is usually a very busy business. In order to protect themselves they gave a firm no to any copying so they would not be liable in case of any lawsuits. Actually I thought Hot Coco better than Rainbow which was big but rather full of filler IMO. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pepe Heh, what a bitch. You know, that was 3 years ago. I doubt she's still there. Maybe we should try again. Then again, maybe we should just copy the damn things to spite those people. It might be fun to see them have to prove they actually own the copyright. But, on the third hand, hot coco kinda sucked anyway. . From tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au Fri Aug 15 03:12:36 2008 From: tigers2roar at yahoo.com.au (brian palmer) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans Message-ID: <959638.2431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fellow Coconuts. While we are discussing this subject. I have to agree with the others who said to just scan them in and see what happens. As I have about 15 Hot Coco issues, plus about 6 CCN issues, I'm willing to scan these in and upload them to a website of some sort. ?The reason I want to do this, My copies are starting to show some wear and tear, So the quicker I can scan them in and upload them the better. Since once they are beyond all hope of scanning, There goes some Coco history. ?So fellow coconuts, start scanning in any Hot coco issues and CCN issues before they are lost for future generations to look at(Plus us die-hard coconuts of course). laters Briza Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset From rrivey at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 06:16:51 2008 From: rrivey at yahoo.com (Richard Ivey) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 62, Issue 14 Message-ID: <190488.82465.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, if people are afraid that profit will be made off the sale of DVD's (which profit seems to be the issue), much like people profit off the shipping of their ebay sales, once the magazines, software, etc is compiled into an ISO that could burned to a DVD, just make it available for download. I realize that this will be a big file and will take some time to download, but it would bypass that particular issue. I would be happy to post them on my site. I would either get a "cease and desist" or I wouldn't. Maybe post it at a couple of sites for bandwidth issues. But I would be happy to put them on my website when they became available. I am pretty sure I am not the only one who would be willing to post. Though Hot Coco seems to be a completely different kettle of fish. More of a "down-low" type of thing, if you will. I only have about 60% of all Rainbow issues and would personally love to have them on DVD. It is much easier to pull up a pdf on a plane then pull out about 3 or 4 magazine, yes? Just throwing it out there. From diegoba at adinet.com.uy Fri Aug 15 08:29:34 2008 From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (Diego Barizo) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:29:34 -0300 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: <001901c8fe90$0b274d90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> References: <001901c8fe90$0b274d90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <48A576AE.2010105@adinet.com.uy> I just had a crazy idea.... Since I am in Uruguay, and I have access to servers located here... Taking legal actions against someone who is +7000 miles away must be VERY expensive and time consuming. If this gives anyone any idea, I'm always glad to help the CoCo bunch Neil Morrison wrote: > >From http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/2005-July/017380.html > > See also http://www.idg.com/www/idgproducts.nsf/typeform?readform&type=website > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Michael Wayne Harwood michael at musicheadproductions.org > Fri Jul 22 15:40:50 EDT 2005 > > > This makes me very sad, but I wasn't terribly surprised by her last > response. > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > _____ > > From: Michael Wayne Harwood [mailto:michael at musicheadproductions.org] > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:33 PM > To: 'miriam_karlin at idg.com' > Cc: 'howard_sholkin at idg.com' > Subject: RE: Hot Coco > > > Miriam, > > You stated earlier that IDG does not have authorities proof that IDG owns > these copyrights. In addition the United States Copyright office has > records of many the "Hot Coco" magazines that list Wayne Green as the > copyright holder, not CW Communications. I would welcome it if you would be > willing to provide documentation of what magazines you claim ownership to. > If you are unwilling or unable to provide this documentation I will have to > assume that it does not exist. > > I will continue my conversations with the original authors, and if I > discover proof that an owner has kept his copyright I will proceed as the > situation warrants. Since you have stated that you wish no further > communication with me in regards to this I will assume that IDG is not > interested in any documentation I may unearth unless you request it from me. > > I will not bother you any further with this, but I am saddened at the tone > you have elected to use to communicate IDG's position - especially since I > have come to you in good faith and done my best to honor both your > organization and the laws of our country. > > > Sincerely, > Michael Harwood > > _____ > > From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:09 PM > To: michael at musicheadproductions.org > Subject: RE: Hot Coco > > > > Michael, > > I don't have the agreements that were originally signed. I will not spend > any more time on this. The copyrights are the property of IDG's subsidiaries > and as such if infringement takes place, we will puruse legal remedies. > > The End. > > Best regards, > > Miriam > > *********************************** > Miriam R. Karlin > Manager, Legal Affairs > International Data Group, Inc. > 5 Speen Street > Framingham, MA 01701 > phone 508.935.4686 > fax 508.424.4807 > efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) > email miriam_karlin at idg.com > ************************************ > > > > "Michael Wayne Harwood" > > > 07/22/05 11:00 AM > > > To > > > cc > > > Subject > RE: Hot Coco > > Miriam, > > I do not understand. You stated originally "We cannot give permission > because we do not know what rights we obtained from the author when we first > published.", and also stated "You could try and contact the original > author.". > > Based on these statements I assume that if I were to obtain permission from > the authors, which I have been fairly successful in doing, then IDG would > have no complaints surrounding our releasing articles and program code for > general consumption. Am I correct? If I were to scan in, OCR, and > re-publish the "Elmer's Arcade" series by Richard Ramella (which I have > obtained his specific permission to do) would I receive a cease and desist > order from IDG? > > Thank you again for your time! > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > > > _____ > > From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:50 AM > To: michael at musicheadproductions.org > Cc: howard_sholkin at idg.com; miriam_karlin at idg.com > Subject: RE: Hot Coco > > > Michael, > > We will NOT give you permission. > > Best regards, > > Miriam > > *********************************** > Miriam R. Karlin > Manager, Legal Affairs > International Data Group, Inc. > 5 Speen Street > Framingham, MA 01701 > phone 508.935.4686 > fax 508.424.4807 > efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) > email miriam_karlin at idg.com > ************************************ > > > "Michael Wayne Harwood" > > > 07/20/05 11:12 AM > > > > > To > > > cc > > > Subject > RE: Hot Coco > > > Miriam, > > First of all I would like to thank you for your time - I truly appreciate > your taking the effort to answer my queries. > > I have contacted several of the original authors of some of the more > prevalent features and articles, and I am compiling a list of people whom > are willing to give permission to re-publish their works. If permissions > from the original authors have been given to re-publish their works would > that satisfy any concerns that IDG has? > > I wish to reiterate that this is a "not for profit" endeavor whose main goal > is archival of the information and articles from Hot Coco so that they will > not be lost. > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > > _____ > > From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:44 PM > To: michael at musicheadproductions.org > Cc: howard_sholkin at idg.com; miriam_karlin at idg.com > Subject: RE: Hot Coco > > > You could try to contact the original author. > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Miriam > > *********************************** > Miriam R. Karlin > Manager, Legal Affairs > International Data Group, Inc. > 5 Speen Street > Framingham, MA 01701 > phone 508.935.4686 > fax 508.424.4807 > efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) > email miriam_karlin at idg.com > ************************************ > > "Michael Wayne Harwood" > > > 07/19/2005 10:49 AM > > > > > To > > > cc > > > Subject > RE: Hot Coco > > Miriam, > > Can I assume then that the copyright of those issues of the magazine listed > on the US copyright site that are not marked with CW Communications is still > owned by Wayne Green? There are several issues that do not have CR > Communications listed. > > My understanding of the issues surrounding this is that you do not know what > licensing agreement is in force with the original authors. Would you be > willing to consider this matter further if I was able to contact the > original author and obtain their permission to re-publish their articles? > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > > _____ > > From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:00 PM > To: michael at musicheadproductions.org > Cc: howard_sholkin at idg.com; miriam_karlin at idg.com > Subject: RE: Hot Coco > > > Michael, > > If you look carefully at the Hot CoCo copyrights, there is an assignment to > CW Communications, Inc., IDG's wholly owned subsidiary. > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Miriam > > *********************************** > Miriam R. Karlin > Manager, Legal Affairs > International Data Group, Inc. > 5 Speen Street > Framingham, MA 01701 > phone 508.935.4686 > fax 508.424.4807 > efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) > email miriam_karlin at idg.com > ************************************ > "Michael Wayne Harwood" > > > 07/12/2005 01:52 PM > > To > > > cc > > > Subject > RE: Hot Coco > > Miriam, > > I understand - thank you. I have one last question. I looked up the > copyright status on the US copyright site and it appears that a large number > of magazines are listed as being under the copyright of Wayne Green, Inc. I > know that Wayne sold the magazine to IDG years ago, but the US copyright > office does not seem to be aware of a change in copyright owner. Is their > information incorrect? > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > > _____ > > From: miriam_karlin at idg.com [mailto:miriam_karlin at idg.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:46 AM > To: michael at musicheadproductions.org > Cc: howard_sholkin at idg.com > Subject: RE: Hot Coco > > > Michael, > > We cannot give permission because we do not know what rights we obtained > from the author when we first published. > > Sorry. > > Best regards, > > Miriam > > *********************************** > Miriam R. Karlin > Manager, Legal Affairs > International Data Group, Inc. > 5 Speen Street > Framingham, MA 01701 > phone 508.935.4686 > fax 508.424.4807 > efax 208.330.4742 (preferred) > email miriam_karlin at idg.com > ************************************ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From michael at musicheadproductions.org Fri Aug 15 08:40:44 2008 From: michael at musicheadproductions.org (Michael Harwood) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:40:44 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans Message-ID: <48A5794C.9070908@musicheadproductions.org> I am definitely willing to share the terms and conditions - I will dig up the original signed agreement and post it to the list when I can - I am in the middle of a move and may not get to it for weeks, but I will do it when I can. The main parts of the contract I remember is that I was granted sole distributorship, that the contract could be nullified by either party as long as a month's notice was given, and that the contract was to survive Lonnie's death. There were no direct penalties stated in the contract, but after many conversations with Lonnie I know that he would have pursued some sort of legal remedy. I have no idea what the current owners think or desire. I have called and mailed Lonnie's window to no avail, as well as contacting City Hall where Lonnie used to be mayor. City Hall stated they would not assist in contacting the estate and wished me good luck. My take on this project has been that the project should be completed and sold so that if the estate or heirs sent me a letter to end the contract I would have at least a month to have a "fire sale". It has never been my intent to cause anyone any grief and I saddened by some of the reactions and off list responses I have seen, but I state again: I had a specific agreement with Lonnie that it was my responsibility to report any attempts to do what I was contracted to do that was outside the projects direct control. I do have leeway to enlist assistance, but that assistance must be under my direct control. This was Lonnie's desire - not mine. I should have stated that I would not be pursuing "ratting" anyone out if they take down the scans or .pdf's they have done. I would like to give everyone who has Rainbow scans up online or projects on the web discussing doing this the courtesy of taking them down prior to my contacting the estate of Lonnie Falk. I really do not wish to take the time or effort to do this, but I gave my word to Lonnie that I would. For the record I want to state again that I have never agreed with Lonnie in regards to the requirements of the project he laid down, but I felt it was more important to get the material archived and out to the public. The material has not been lost - the magazines have been captured as digital images and are in process of being published in an electronic format. At some point they will be available for sale. I am sorry that so many of you have expressed both here and to me privately that you want nothing to do with this project's end product, but I certainly understand and respect your stance. Regards, Michael Harwood PS - Thanks to everyone who shared kind words or encouragement. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:08:59 -0700 From: "Mike Pepe" Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans No flames from me, but maybe you can help clarify a few things for me (and the larger and seemingly very interested group) Can you share the exact verbage of the agreement you have with Lonnie? It would be very helpful to understand the T&C's, what he expected, what penalty (if any) there was for violating the agreement, etc. Also I may be able to run it past some lawyer-types at work. I understand Microsoft has a few lawyers on staff. I am also interested in knowing when you attempted to contact the estate, and what (if any) response you have gotten. We all want to see this content archived and available. Currently you have the only legally binding means of getting this accomplished. -Mike From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 15 09:04:00 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:04:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A57EC0.3030300@worldnet.att.net> James Diffendaffer wrote: > As long as someone brought up software... > > EDTASM is copyrighted and you aren't supposed to reverse engineer or > copy it yet I've seen someone selling patches to it. > The software license for EDTASM is the first page in the EDTASM owner's manual. In section IV is a list of what the customer may or may not do. There is no mention of reverse engineering. You may copy EDTASM for your own use within limits. Have you seen other limitations stated elsewhere? From linville at tuxdriver.com Fri Aug 15 09:40:46 2008 From: linville at tuxdriver.com (John W. Linville) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <835908.23487.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <835908.23487.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080815134046.GB5183@tuxdriver.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 04:53:17PM -0700, theother_bob wrote: > Bush-loving neo-con or something! ;) Must...resist...sexual...inuendo... -- John W. Linville linville at tuxdriver.com From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Fri Aug 15 10:09:37 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:09:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <48A5794C.9070908@musicheadproductions.org> References: <48A5794C.9070908@musicheadproductions.org> Message-ID: <34CE1F6D-0E03-4703-9F9C-4D04296855C8@serialtechnologies.com> On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Michael Harwood wrote: > > I have called and mailed Lonnie's window to no avail, as well as > contacting City Hall where Lonnie used to be mayor. City Hall > stated they would not assist in contacting the estate and wished me > good luck. > So what you're saying is that you can't even figure out how to contact the estate. > > I should have stated that I would not be pursuing "ratting" anyone > out if they take down the scans or .pdf's they have done. I would > like to give everyone who has Rainbow scans up online or projects > on the web discussing doing this the courtesy of taking them down > prior to my contacting the estate of Lonnie Falk. I really do not > wish to take the time or effort to do this, but I gave my word to > Lonnie that I would. > *laughs* You really _do_ have an over-inflated sense of your own integrity and importance. Evidently you can't even dig up a phone number for the estate proper, and Lonnie's widow won't return your calls. Yet you insist that this is a grave matter of which you are at the center... C. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 15 10:10:34 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: References: <693114.14818.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48A58E5A.4010107@worldnet.att.net> Steve Batson wrote: > I just downloaded and installed VCC on my PC running XP Pro. Seems to > run fine, but I don't have any software setup to run in it yet. > > My question is, will my Virtual Disk files from the Vavasour Emulator > work with VCC? If not, is there a way to convert them? I'll admit I > haven't tried them yet because I need to dig them out. Either way, it > would be nice to know how to convert if that's needed. Thanks in advance. > They will as will .dsk files from MESS. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 15 10:15:02 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:15:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808141812r1b0fa27axe7efe0f23acfb020@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808141812r1b0fa27axe7efe0f23acfb020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A58F66.6080308@worldnet.att.net> Tony Cappellini wrote: >>> I just downloaded and installed VCC on my PC running XP Pro. Seems to >>> run fine, but I don't have any software setup to run in it yet. > Yep- here too. Well, I've booted Nitros9- gotta do it from D0 only. > > But I don't know what I need to do to get the hard disk image that > comes with Vcc to work under Nitros9. > I probably need to cobbler something- ehh? > There probably still is a version of NitrOS-9 pre-installed on the VCC hard drive. You need to check the directories 250-255 and see if there are programs on them. There was at one time a menu program that would start NitrOS-9 from a boot disk on one of these drives. > Should Nitros9 be able to read the RTC image that is in the MPI, that > comes with VCC? > It will if the correct clock module is installed or other clock reading software. From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 15 10:21:01 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:21:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] VCC emulator In-Reply-To: <5096F9D2-4387-45EC-A7DF-AED9A12C3562@batsonphotography.com> References: <693114.14818.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5096F9D2-4387-45EC-A7DF-AED9A12C3562@batsonphotography.com> Message-ID: <48A590CD.6070402@worldnet.att.net> Steve Batson wrote: > Well I answered my own question on this one, I was able to find some of > my Virtual Disk Files and mounted and ran a few programs from them. My > Sands of Egypt one doesn't seem to work though, that sucks. I know it's > a good file because I've run it under other CoCo emulators. > > Another thing I noticed is, when set the Composite Monitor Mode to play > games that use artifacting, there's that old issue that sometimes the > screen is Red and Sometimes Blue, depending on the game, the colors can > be off...Reset on a real coco used to fix it after a few times. This > doesn't seem to work on VCC so the Tom Mix Donkey Kong clone has blue > and red reversed. > > Any thoughts? Keep in mind that VCC is a Coco3 emulator. The Coco3 never swapped artifact colors by hitting the RESET button, that's for the Coco1 and 2 only. The Coco3 does not start the video system at random so to swap artifact colors you must hold down the F1 key during startup. Try holding down the F1 key while doing a hard reset (menu/files) with VCC. Of course Composite mode must be selected. From rvanscherpe at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 10:28:23 2008 From: rvanscherpe at gmail.com (Ron VanScherpe) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Coco] More on Hot Coco scans Message-ID: Miriam, is there anyway that you maybe able to help our community out by finding out how these fantastic pieces of work can be archived and reproduced. I'm sure that there are many of us willing to pay for these works, however, time is flying by and I know that the magazines I have are fading and turning yellow. We love these magazines and we would like to keep them alive. Please help us. Thank you. Ron. From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Fri Aug 15 10:32:53 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:32:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 14, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Ron Bihler wrote: > > > Ron Bihler > Author of RiBBS system. > Thanks for your words, Ron. I'm kinda tempted to throw a RiBBS system up on the Internet with some custom UART cards and a terminal server (to provide TCP -> serial connectivity). Does RiBBS support multiple nodes on the same box? The docs for 2.10 don't seem too clear on this (granted, I've only perused them). I know RCIS did, but I can't seem to find the 6809 version. Rottinger moved on to the MM/1 before he shut down the Rainbow Connection.. C. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Aug 15 10:41:29 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:41:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: <48A576AE.2010105@adinet.com.uy> References: <001901c8fe90$0b274d90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <48A576AE.2010105@adinet.com.uy> Message-ID: <200808151041.30054.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 15 August 2008, Diego Barizo wrote: >I just had a crazy idea.... >Since I am in Uruguay, and I have access to servers located here... >Taking legal actions against someone who is +7000 miles away must be >VERY expensive and time consuming. >If this gives anyone any idea, I'm always glad to help the CoCo bunch I also wondered about something along those lines. Potentially the perfect solution. [...] -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Calm down, it's *____only* ones and zeroes. From jlhickle at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 10:56:53 2008 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: <009801c8fe9f$975da110$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <619405.88506.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Neil Morrison wrote: > From: Neil Morrison > > Actually I thought Hot Coco better than Rainbow which was > big but rather full of filler IMO. > > I liked it because it WAS mostly filler. So was BYTE, but Rainbow's filler was better. They'd publish articles written by kids and retired people, and the wheel got invented again and again. There'd be a BASIC checkbook register, adverts for twenty other checkbook registers, and it didn't matter that hundreds of checkbook registers had already been for other machines. From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 11:02:31 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:02:31 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans Message-ID: James Diffendaffer wrote: >> As long as someone brought up software... >> >> EDTASM is copyrighted and you aren't supposed to reverse engineer or >> copy it yet I've seen someone selling patches to it. >> > > The software license for EDTASM is the first page in the EDTASM owner's > manual. In section IV is a list of what the customer may or may not do. > There is no mention of reverse engineering. You may copy EDTASM for your > own use within limits. > > Have you seen other limitations stated elsewhere? Nope. As long as you are just distributing a patch you are probably safe. Now, if you distribute a working patched version... if the company could show you used their product in yours then that's different. Also, "within limits" is kinda broad to be enforced, if that's actually in the license. But then you missed the point. (point now spelled out) If you (speaking to the group) are going to beat the copyright issue over someone's head make sure you are consistent and beat everyone over the head with it instead of picking and choosing who to enforce it on. And don't even pretend that your morals are somehow superior... I don't want to vomit on my keyboard. Would you guys really like it if I threatened to contact Nintendo America about a potential unauthorized Donkey Kong clone??? I'll bet they would have a cease and desist out the door by the end of the day. They have had several retro sites shut down for piracy. You would have real trouble convincing me that a legal license from corporate headquarters was ever given for that, and it's not like it's just a similar game. It copies look, feel, logic, sound... hell... it IS Donkey Kong. If ANY of you that have spoken out against distribution of these old magazines but have a copy of Donkey Kong for the CoCo3 in your collection I suggest you look up hypocrite in the dictionary. Just because the author is giving it away does not mean it's not a copyright violation. If he was not granted rights then it's still a violation. Do I really need to prove my point by actually contacting Nintendo? If I thought it would kill the copyright posturing in this group once and for all, I would. Sadly I don't think some of you would get a clue no matter what, and I don't want to see everyone punished for a handful of people's so called morality. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 11:23:20 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <73640.75416.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I enjoyed the scans, very readable, I saw no problems with them and was thankful to have them ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Chuck Youse wrote: From: Chuck Youse Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Cc: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 5:36 PM > > The scan quality of the magazines that were put up was just passable > in some places. Bite me! :) In all seriousness, my only concern was content. As long as all the content is present and readable, I don't care if it's skewed, miscolored, etc.. C. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dgacke at ektarion.com Fri Aug 15 11:28:25 2008 From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:28:25 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c8feeb$8f80ed20$ae82c760$@com> Hi James, I agree completely with your views about Donkey Kong. I think it was an amazing thing Sockmaster did! It should be celebrated, and if he would've charged for it, I would've paid. Regardless if he infringed on Nintendo's trademarks. We all know Nintendo would never make it, so it's a great thing that someone did. The only other software developer that is producing new things is Roger Taylor, to my knowledge. I bought all of his products except one... (Mary and the butterflies wasn't my cup of tea) I've purchased a Super IDE from Cloud 9 as well a couple years back. Needless to say, I try and support the CoCo community where I can. But I draw the line when I feel like it's just some greedy old ticks trying to get the last few drops of blood from the dead dog... Now that I'm back on the subject of magazines, I'll go thru my old Hot CoCo's etc to see what I actually have. But alas, some of my Hot CoCos are in really rough shape. Covers missing, etc. I'll try and build a list though and see what I have to contribute along those lines. As far as Rainbow. I have all of them except some of the ones at the very end, when the magazine size shrank back down, and I'm missing a few at the very beginning as well. Kind Regards, Dave Gacke -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of James Diffendaffer Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:03 AM To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans James Diffendaffer wrote: >> As long as someone brought up software... >> >> EDTASM is copyrighted and you aren't supposed to reverse engineer or >> copy it yet I've seen someone selling patches to it. >> > > The software license for EDTASM is the first page in the EDTASM owner's > manual. In section IV is a list of what the customer may or may not do. > There is no mention of reverse engineering. You may copy EDTASM for your > own use within limits. > > Have you seen other limitations stated elsewhere? Nope. As long as you are just distributing a patch you are probably safe. Now, if you distribute a working patched version... if the company could show you used their product in yours then that's different. Also, "within limits" is kinda broad to be enforced, if that's actually in the license. But then you missed the point. (point now spelled out) If you (speaking to the group) are going to beat the copyright issue over someone's head make sure you are consistent and beat everyone over the head with it instead of picking and choosing who to enforce it on. And don't even pretend that your morals are somehow superior... I don't want to vomit on my keyboard. Would you guys really like it if I threatened to contact Nintendo America about a potential unauthorized Donkey Kong clone??? I'll bet they would have a cease and desist out the door by the end of the day. They have had several retro sites shut down for piracy. You would have real trouble convincing me that a legal license from corporate headquarters was ever given for that, and it's not like it's just a similar game. It copies look, feel, logic, sound... hell... it IS Donkey Kong. If ANY of you that have spoken out against distribution of these old magazines but have a copy of Donkey Kong for the CoCo3 in your collection I suggest you look up hypocrite in the dictionary. Just because the author is giving it away does not mean it's not a copyright violation. If he was not granted rights then it's still a violation. Do I really need to prove my point by actually contacting Nintendo? If I thought it would kill the copyright posturing in this group once and for all, I would. Sadly I don't think some of you would get a clue no matter what, and I don't want to see everyone punished for a handful of people's so called morality. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 11:32:38 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans Solution In-Reply-To: <959638.2431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <574054.70976.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those who want to scan and share upload to somewhere, Again Rapidshare or Megaupload ect and post the links here or over on coco3.com. Those who feel it is not right to do so just don't download them. Those who want to wait for the Rainbow on DVD, wait.. But there is clearly some folks who want to share what they have. It's very simple really. I would just respectfully ask that if links do get posted that those who want to wait for the DVD or feel it's not right to download do not flame those of us who want to archive this information. Derek ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Fri, 8/15/08, brian palmer wrote: From: brian palmer Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans To: coco at maltedmedia.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 12:12 AM Hi Fellow Coconuts. While we are discussing this subject. I have to agree with the others who said to just scan them in and see what happens. As I have about 15 Hot Coco issues, plus about 6 CCN issues, I'm willing to scan these in and upload them to a website of some sort. ?The reason I want to do this, My copies are starting to show some wear and tear, So the quicker I can scan them in and upload them the better. Since once they are beyond all hope of scanning, There goes some Coco history. ?So fellow coconuts, start scanning in any Hot coco issues and CCN issues before they are lost for future generations to look at(Plus us die-hard coconuts of course). laters Briza Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 12:04:53 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:04:53 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Putting the Copyrights issue aside Message-ID: I agree that Sockmaster should commended for his efforts as should Roger, Cloud9 and *anyone* else that actually produces something for ANY of these old machines. BTW Roger, I love the CoCo mug, Mary and the Butterfiles is a great game for young kids, and your GEMS game is great. I really haven't used the Rainbow IDE since I got it but I'm sure it will come in handy if I get time. Still... I like the DVD the best. Code samples are always welcome! Now if I could just get the authors to include some comments in the code... :D From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Fri Aug 15 12:08:33 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow scans Message-ID: <1218816513.27055.8.camel@dev> Hi folks, I happen to own every issue of the Rainbow between September 1982 until November of 1992. (I will take a picture of the stack of magazines presently in my living room if you need proof.) I am willing to scan each one into my own personal collection, however, if anyone has any scans of issues in those years, preferably in pdf format, I'd appreciate it if you could get them to me to save me the labor. I will collect them together and put them online, but restrict access until after I've consulted with counsel as to the risks. Luckily it's a very generation Y thing to study law, so about half of my friends are members of the New York Bar. As I own the issues in question there is no copyright infringement. I also own many Hot Coco and will ask the same of those, but for the moment I don't know which issues I have and thus can legally own electronically.. stay tuned. Many thanks, C. From farna at att.net Fri Aug 15 12:21:29 2008 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans Message-ID: <48A5AD09.3070009@att.net> I doubt anyone really wishes you any ill will Michael. Once a product is available I think you'll find a lot of people buying the DVD anyway, as it takes a LOT of time to scan in even one magazine. The frustration is that the project seems to have stalled and may not come out at all. Just send a letter with return receipt request (or a registered letter) to Lonnie's widow (or estate if you know who's handling it) stating that you intend to proceed with the contract as agreed between Lonnie and yourself. If no answer continue. If someone complains, you owe the estate whatever the agreed amount was. IIRC it was just a token sum per copy. If you feel like it send the estate checks for the agreed amount as you sell them. I'd just make sure to keep track of sales and can pay the amount if demanded/asked later if no response. I don't think you'll get a response. But then you might get something from a lawyer similar to the Hot CoCo response -- we don't want to mess with it so don't do it! you might just want to go ahead with the project and keep track of what you owe in case someone says something later -- that's exactly what I'd do. You know you've made an effort to contact them and no one seems to care. I'd talked to Lonnie directly right before Rainbow ceased publishing. His interest was not in the CoCo community, it was in his "baby" -- Rainbow magazine. Nothing you're doing is a discredit to it or to Lonnie's memory. If anything it's the opposite -- a show of respect that anyone would care after so many years, and a memorial that will carry on for many more years than the printed magazines would last. as far as Hot CoCo, I think Diego hit the right idea! Sure it's technically illegal, and immoral to a degree -- so is speeding and many other things we all do daily in that respect. The fact is that copying an old magazine to archive for historic purposes isn't hurting anyone. If it were genuinely hurting IDG's sales, or there was more than a very remote chance they could be sued (they can't if the copys are illegal!) I'd definitely be against it. But the only ones getting hurt are the very few who still have an interest in the CoCo. Yes, I put my actions where my mouth is -- everything I wrote and published for the CoCo (that I had/have electronic copies of) is available for download at the list site. I still retain the copyrights, but give free personal use of the material to anyone who wants to download and print for personal use, just not to be sold or altered without permission. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From chargeron at cox.net Fri Aug 15 13:14:12 2008 From: chargeron at cox.net (chargeron) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:14:12 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] [Color Computer Questions] References: Message-ID: <2F6A2E580DFB4F70A54991D2898F9D9C@GATOR> Does anyone have an estimate of how many Color Computers there are in use right now in the world? 1000? 4000? Do landfills or has recycle places claimed more CoCos than exist today? Is there an intelligent way to estimate how many might be enjoying the nostalgia? Is the word "use" important? Do you think there are more people enjoying the CoCo in emulation than actually firing up an actual CoCo??? I have a large collection of coco stuff. Is there anyone who knows how many people have hoarded like me? lol Is Ebay any indication of what volume there still is out there? Sometimes I think there is only maybe 200 people who at any one time actually do care for these machines enough to do something about saving them or preserving all the history (time) we put in these things. I used my CoCos hard and long ... I have a ton of memories recalled as I go through all these floppies and read thoes lables. During the years we were using the Color Computer for our work and fun I always had the feeling we were on the cutting edge of technology....didn't you think so? I think today when I use my pc there is no drive to innovate...like there used to be..because frankly...any program you can think of is usually out there waiting for you to download. Where is the cutting edge now? Remember voip? Calling someone for free on the computer...anywhere!! that was cool then taken away for $$ 1080i? or 1080p Video? palm / blackberry stuff? or going backward and using the CoCo to keep the flame? Sorry for the stupid questions..I am old Ron Delvaux From rvanscherpe at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 13:31:56 2008 From: rvanscherpe at gmail.com (Ron VanScherpe) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:31:56 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans Message-ID: Scanning in the magazines doesn't take as long as you might think. It all depends on the scanner you are using and if you are willing to 'sacrifice' your issues for the cause, meaning get them unbound. I have done so and have used the Fijitsu document scanner the Scansnap S510. It has a 25 page document feeder that scans both sides in a single pass. It does 15ppm in full color. I've been able to scan a 300 page Rainbow in about 15 mins. The quality is very good and the size is about 200MB. Again, it doesn't take long to scan these things in if you are willing to unbind the issues. Ron. From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Fri Aug 15 13:40:24 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:40:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1218822024.27055.10.camel@dev> Perhaps you'd care to share your scans? :) C. On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 10:31 -0700, Ron VanScherpe wrote: > Scanning in the magazines doesn't take as long as you might think. It all > depends on the scanner you are using and if you are willing to 'sacrifice' > your issues for the cause, meaning get them unbound. I have done so and have > used the Fijitsu document scanner the Scansnap S510. It has a 25 page > document feeder that scans both sides in a single pass. It does 15ppm in > full color. I've been able to scan a 300 page Rainbow in about 15 mins. > The quality is very good and the size is about 200MB. Again, it doesn't > take long to scan these things in if you are willing to unbind the issues. > > Ron. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com Fri Aug 15 13:57:15 2008 From: Rich.Ries at Honeywell.com (Ries, Rich (NY80)) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:57:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7680A1972BC48AF472EE23543615F0104CBD3@DE08EV808.global.ds.honeywell.com> My two scents: When we -- the lovers of the CoCo -- are gone, that will be it. Even if there were youngsters flooding into the CoCo world, the parts to build new ones are no longer available. And emulators will just not cut it, except for a few nostalgia nuts. Second, I've realized that I was never interested in typing in hundreds of lines of code. When I got my first 300-baud modem, it was heaven. (Until I saw my phone bill! :D ) The one thing I really remember was the artwork on the front cover of the Rainbows. Great work, relevant, and usually brought a chuckle -- remember the one with the guy all ready to watch a football game -- snacks and all -- looking quite crestfallen as his wife is busily typing away on her CoCo, quite oblivious to him?? Those covers were THE BEST! --Rich From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 14:51:29 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:51:29 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808151151i53ffc4a3h6a48fa2c97198333@mail.gmail.com> Message: 10 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:02:31 -0000 From: "James Diffendaffer" Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How is archiving old documents (aka Rainbow, Hot Coco, etc) any different from the Computer History Museum archiving old computers, documents, and software for preservation? http://www.computerhistory.org/ I haven't heard of anyone getting on their soapbox and threatening to close down the museum because of copyright infringement. I have been a member and attendee for more than 6 years, and they keep getting grants, volunteers, and donations, and have public presentations by prominent speakers whom helped define the world of computing as we know it today. I know for a fact they have old cocos & coco software in their collection. I have seen it. They might even have some old Rainbows. Fancy that. I wonder when the last time Tandy's lawyers (and Dec, HP, Cray, IBM, et al..) issued cease & desist orders. From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Fri Aug 15 15:13:16 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RAINBOW scans Message-ID: <20080815.141316.3040.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> If you do wish to share, my e-mail is JohnChasteen.2 at Juno.Com John On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:40:24 -0400 Chuck Youse writes: > Perhaps you'd care to share your scans? :) > > C. > > On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 10:31 -0700, Ron VanScherpe wrote: > > Scanning in the magazines doesn't take as long as you might think. > It all > > depends on the scanner you are using and if you are willing to > 'sacrifice' > > your issues for the cause, meaning get them unbound. I have done > so and have > > used the Fijitsu document scanner the Scansnap S510. It has a 25 > page > > document feeder that scans both sides in a single pass. It does > 15ppm in > > full color. I've been able to scan a 300 page Rainbow in about 15 > mins. > > The quality is very good and the size is about 200MB. Again, it > doesn't > > take long to scan these things in if you are willing to unbind the > issues. > > > > Ron. ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mzvz67yX3RZ5ZSqwPo0xSygZnsmCJcW4c6tK6wrQbLwCXoF/ From farna at att.net Fri Aug 15 15:20:27 2008 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:20:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] More on Hot Coco scans Message-ID: <48A5D6FB.8090408@att.net> The IDG law office ("Miriam") didn't address the list directly, that was something Mike Harwood (excuse me if the name is wrong!) posted that was sent to him. There's not enough money in it for IDG to scan and sell the magazines, they are not going to help anyone. They're in business to make money, not to help! If you want to scan and share the magazines that's the only thing you can do. IDG isn't likely to waste time on a bunch of people sharing copies of old magazines. If they find them up on a web site they will most likely issue a "cease and desist" request, and may take legal action if it isn't complied with. They will only do that if and when it comes to their attention. They aren't scanning sites looking for offenders. If you want to share scanned copies do so, no harm will be done to IDG or anyone else. Be careful about posting them then widely advertising the site. Letting people know on here should be fine, but the more widely advertised the more likely it would be noticed and you'd be "asked" to take it down. This happens all the time, in sometimes absurd situations. Like when Chrysler first sold out to Daimler-Benz. They had lawyers go after any and everyone using any trade marks for any reason, even clubs. That promotes more bad will than they realize, and a lot of people who were burned or know someone who was won't look at a Chrysler product and encourage others not to. The same just before VW came out with the new "bug". They trademarked "Bug" as a name for their cars then went after many businesses that had been using names such as "The Bug House" for many years -- well over 10-15 -- well before they trademarked the name. Business sometimes spites itself! IDG, in it's worry about possible (but very unlikely) lawsuits, puts people off that might consider going out of their way to buy other IDG products just because they were known to have helped the CoCo community in some small way. My guess is they will turn a blind eye to anything other than blatant sales of their former products, as if anyone does try to sue them they can claim to have not given permission and send the suer someone else's way. ------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:28:23 -0700 From: "Ron VanScherpe" Miriam, is there anyway that you maybe able to help our community out by finding out how these fantastic pieces of work can be archived and reproduced. I'm sure that there are many of us willing to pay for these works, however, time is flying by and I know that the magazines I have are fading and turning yellow. We love these magazines and we would like to keep them alive. Please help us. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 15:29:16 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:29:16 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not really sure how to take that post. Are you thinking I'm threatening people that are copying stuff, or do you actually realize I'm telling the people that are pushing the copyright issue that they need to cool it and you are just adding support? > How is archiving old documents (aka Rainbow, Hot Coco, etc) any > different from the Computer History Museum archiving old computers, > documents, and software for preservation? For what it's worth, the museum archives the *original* equipment, magazines and software. They aren't copying and distributing copyrighted material. Scanning these magazines and placing them online IS a violation of US Copyright. No rights have been transferred, no permission granted, the copyright is still in effect, and distribution by putting it available for download means it isn't just for personal use. However, it's up to the owner of the copyright to enforce through legal action, and not for this group to enforce through badgering. Some info can be found here: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html From sfischer1 at mindspring.com Fri Aug 15 15:32:37 2008 From: sfischer1 at mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:32:37 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808151151i53ffc4a3h6a48fa2c97198333@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808151151i53ffc4a3h6a48fa2c97198333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ABBD6430A0840769238FAF0746B83E4@Shasta> It may well be that Lonnie's estate have come to the conclusion that if they do anything, like having a lawyer write a letter saying to go ahead, that they will lose money as the proceeds will now be so small. Lonnie may have wanted perhaps the Rainbow project to be done. He signed the contract. His estate may have no non-monetary reason for the project to be completed. Thus their silence. Stephen H. Fischer > I wonder when the last time Tandy's lawyers (and Dec, HP, Cray, IBM, > et al..) issued cease & desist orders. From neilsmorr at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 15:56:27 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:56:27 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans References: <001901c8fe90$0b274d90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <48A576AE.2010105@adinet.com.uy> Message-ID: <015701c8ff11$50d82a90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> You can also upload them to rapidshare.de and post the links. I don't think anyone will go to Germany either, for no money, and you can post up to 300 Mb files there, 100 Mb on rapidshare.com. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Barizo" > I just had a crazy idea.... > Since I am in Uruguay, and I have access to servers located here... > Taking legal actions against someone who is +7000 miles away must be VERY > expensive and time consuming. > If this gives anyone any idea, I'm always glad to help the CoCo bunch > > Neil Morrison wrote: From jmurphy at delphiforums.com Fri Aug 15 16:09:46 2008 From: jmurphy at delphiforums.com (John Murphy) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans References: <8249c4ac0808151151i53ffc4a3h6a48fa2c97198333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26F1E36268B1477FB49142C0C17F486D@PC4> -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony Cappellini" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:51 PM To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Cc: Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans > > I know for a fact they have old cocos & coco software in their > collection. I have seen it. They might even have some old Rainbows. > Fancy that. > I wonder when the last time Tandy's lawyers (and Dec, HP, Cray, IBM, > et al..) issued cease & desist orders. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > When did a bunch of lawyers last issue cease and desist orders? IBM's lawyers? Probably several times today (and every day.) HP? Same. DEC? See HP. And these are the original items, not (illegal) copies. John Murphy From neilsmorr at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 16:27:44 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:27:44 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans References: <48A5794C.9070908@musicheadproductions.org> <34CE1F6D-0E03-4703-9F9C-4D04296855C8@serialtechnologies.com> Message-ID: <018401c8ff16$739c84e0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> That was uncalled for. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Youse" > So what you're saying is that you can't even figure out how to > contact the estate. > *laughs* You really _do_ have an over-inflated sense of your own > integrity and importance. Evidently you can't even dig up a phone > number for the estate proper, and Lonnie's widow won't return your > calls. Yet you insist that this is a grave matter of which you are > at the center... From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Fri Aug 15 16:49:24 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:49:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <018401c8ff16$739c84e0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> References: <48A5794C.9070908@musicheadproductions.org> <34CE1F6D-0E03-4703-9F9C-4D04296855C8@serialtechnologies.com> <018401c8ff16$739c84e0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <1218833364.27055.18.camel@dev> On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 13:27 -0700, Neil Morrison wrote: > That was uncalled for. > > Neil No, but your platitude certainly is. It's very easy to be of outstanding morality when all you're doing is acting the referee on the sidelines. And PLEASE, Neil, show your unmitigated character by sending useless one-liners to the list. Alright, folks, I've had enough of the contentious attitudes on the list; from the younger generation of Coco users (me) to the elder (most of you), adieu. The Coco will die with you; I will take my efforts elsewhere. C. From t.fadden at cox.net Fri Aug 15 17:06:05 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:06:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <1218833364.27055.18.camel@dev> Message-ID: <20080815170605.DWXM3.284098.imail@fed1rmwml30> Well the comment may have been a little "Mean Spirated", But I couldn't argue with it, and I did get a good chukle from the post! You would think that by the time you get over your 50's a person would get a little less serious, and thicker skinned! I know I have. Jeeesh Grumpy Old Fart Tim Fadden ---- Chuck Youse wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 13:27 -0700, Neil Morrison wrote: > That was uncalled for. > > Neil No, but your platitude certainly is. It's very easy to be of outstanding morality when all you're doing is acting the referee on the sidelines. And PLEASE, Neil, show your unmitigated character by sending useless one-liners to the list. Alright, folks, I've had enough of the contentious attitudes on the list; from the younger generation of Coco users (me) to the elder (most of you), adieu. The Coco will die with you; I will take my efforts elsewhere. C. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dgacke at ektarion.com Fri Aug 15 17:32:25 2008 From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:32:25 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans In-Reply-To: <1218833364.27055.18.camel@dev> References: <48A5794C.9070908@musicheadproductions.org> <34CE1F6D-0E03-4703-9F9C-4D04296855C8@serialtechnologies.com> <018401c8ff16$739c84e0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <1218833364.27055.18.camel@dev> Message-ID: <003601c8ff1e$690fe410$3b2fac30$@com> Bah, don't sweat it Chuck. Don't leave the list over something as silly as this. I definitely think there are more people on the list that are with you than are against you. I got a chuckle out of your response as well. I know I bit my tongue earlier when I wanted to respond to it. Mine probably wouldn't have been as good as your anyway! :) Dave Gacke -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Youse Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:49 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow, and Hot Coco Scans On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 13:27 -0700, Neil Morrison wrote: > That was uncalled for. > > Neil No, but your platitude certainly is. It's very easy to be of outstanding morality when all you're doing is acting the referee on the sidelines. And PLEASE, Neil, show your unmitigated character by sending useless one-liners to the list. Alright, folks, I've had enough of the contentious attitudes on the list; from the younger generation of Coco users (me) to the elder (most of you), adieu. The Coco will die with you; I will take my efforts elsewhere. C. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dgacke at ektarion.com Fri Aug 15 17:35:13 2008 From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Verilog CoCo 3? Message-ID: <003701c8ff1e$cd0e7e40$672b7ac0$@com> Hi Guys, Whatever happened to the guy with the Verilog CoCo3 implementation? I found a link in the archives, but the website that it pointed to is gone it seems. Also, was that code he had posted GPL'd or similar? If so, could someone please send it to me, or post a link to it. I'd like to do some poking around in my spare time. Thanks a lot, Dave Gacke From paulej at arid.us Fri Aug 15 21:11:26 2008 From: paulej at arid.us (Paul E. Jones) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00f101c8ff3d$017e6e10$047b4a30$@us> Ron, et al, I believe that a few folks on this list would pay. But, I believe there are only two reasons why they would do it: 1) To lend a hand to the cost, time, and trouble of the person who did the work -- a reward, more or less, that is still likely to be less than the real sweat put into it 2) "For memory sake" I agree that there is really no "value" in terms on money. And, as each year passes, even the "thanks for your hard effort" potential will diminish. What we ought to do is determine who, if anybody, owns the copyright. What happened to Falsoft? If it just closed and no entity acquired its assets, then there is no copyright holder. (That could complicate things if, as somebody suggested, Falsoft did not own the rights. What I contributed belonged to Falsoft.) I tried to contact Ms. Falk not too long ago, but just got an answering machine and no return call. I think trying to find Falsoft's successor is the only solution. The only other solution is to just make the (likely reasonable) assumption that it's all in the public domain and see what happens. Heck, what would the damages be for things of no value and upon which we had reason to believe were in the public domain? Is there anybody in or around Prospect, KY who can go knock on a door? It can't be that hard to find out where things stand. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Ron Bihler > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:33 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media > > Forgive as I am an outsider voicing my opinions. > It has been a very long time since I was active in the Coco Community, > a really long time for that matter. I was very familiar with the likes > of Warren Hrach, Charles Pippin and many others that contributed to the > BBS community and Fidonet at the time. > How this has all changed but yet stayed the same. When I took on the > project of connecting into the Fidonet (Those not familair - it was > similair to this group but all the people involved would contact a > local connect or in many cases a Long distance connection to share > messages across the country). > At that time the primary systems connected where the XT and AT's of the > day. It took some very good and willing to people to put up with the > software I created and the problems. Somehow it did get done. The > coco has always been the underdog to the bigger machines, but has had a > solid following (Small thought). > > I syspect many people are like myself, I was big time into the Coco and > OS9. Countless hours of typing in Rainbow programs. However I have a > very fond memory of this time, I have since moved on. This is really > very old technology. I also work with a bunch of old Hardware based on > 6809 or 68000 processors, robotics etc. I can't tell you how hard it > is to find software or hardware for these old machines, if at all. > After holding onto the Hardware and Magizines for 15 years, I ended up > disposing of it (Prior to Ebay being big) as there was NO interest. I > had all of them up to the introduction of the MM/1, this included Hot > Coco/ Rainbow and a few issues on one I can't even remember. Regrets > yes, but realality steps in and I can't keep it all. > > It would be a shame to lose this piece of history, I do hope something > happens to archive it. This sounds like many old hardware peices I > use, much of the data is lost forever. Someone has it in a dark store > room getting moldy to never see the light of day. I myself have > nothing left from this time, I had passed on my files for porting to > the MM/1. This is history, the only value is for the collector and > this group and this has to be very limited. Really now how many people > are willing to fork out even 20 bucks for a DVD, 20, 40 ??? > > Again just me two cents worth. Had to say something. > > Ron Bihler > Author of RiBBS system. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From t.fadden at cox.net Fri Aug 15 21:21:31 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:21:31 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media In-Reply-To: <00f101c8ff3d$017e6e10$047b4a30$@us> References: <00f101c8ff3d$017e6e10$047b4a30$@us> Message-ID: <48A62B9B.9050105@cox.net> Well, Today I did a google for falsot something or other,a and found the falsoft bulding for sale! I think we need a local Dr. Watson to check it out. Tim Fadden Paul E. Jones wrote: > Ron, et al, > > I believe that a few folks on this list would pay. But, I believe there are > only two reasons why they would do it: > 1) To lend a hand to the cost, time, and trouble of the person who did the > work -- a reward, more or less, that is still likely to be less than the > real sweat put into it > 2) "For memory sake" > > I agree that there is really no "value" in terms on money. And, as each > year passes, even the "thanks for your hard effort" potential will diminish. > > What we ought to do is determine who, if anybody, owns the copyright. What > happened to Falsoft? If it just closed and no entity acquired its assets, > then there is no copyright holder. (That could complicate things if, as > somebody suggested, Falsoft did not own the rights. What I contributed > belonged to Falsoft.) > > I tried to contact Ms. Falk not too long ago, but just got an answering > machine and no return call. > > I think trying to find Falsoft's successor is the only solution. The only > other solution is to just make the (likely reasonable) assumption that it's > all in the public domain and see what happens. Heck, what would the damages > be for things of no value and upon which we had reason to believe were in > the public domain? > > Is there anybody in or around Prospect, KY who can go knock on a door? It > can't be that hard to find out where things stand. > > Paul > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Ron Bihler >> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:33 PM >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com >> Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media >> >> Forgive as I am an outsider voicing my opinions. >> It has been a very long time since I was active in the Coco Community, >> a really long time for that matter. I was very familiar with the likes >> of Warren Hrach, Charles Pippin and many others that contributed to the >> BBS community and Fidonet at the time. >> How this has all changed but yet stayed the same. When I took on the >> project of connecting into the Fidonet (Those not familair - it was >> similair to this group but all the people involved would contact a >> local connect or in many cases a Long distance connection to share >> messages across the country). >> At that time the primary systems connected where the XT and AT's of the >> day. It took some very good and willing to people to put up with the >> software I created and the problems. Somehow it did get done. The >> coco has always been the underdog to the bigger machines, but has had a >> solid following (Small thought). >> >> I syspect many people are like myself, I was big time into the Coco and >> OS9. Countless hours of typing in Rainbow programs. However I have a >> very fond memory of this time, I have since moved on. This is really >> very old technology. I also work with a bunch of old Hardware based on >> 6809 or 68000 processors, robotics etc. I can't tell you how hard it >> is to find software or hardware for these old machines, if at all. >> After holding onto the Hardware and Magizines for 15 years, I ended up >> disposing of it (Prior to Ebay being big) as there was NO interest. I >> had all of them up to the introduction of the MM/1, this included Hot >> Coco/ Rainbow and a few issues on one I can't even remember. Regrets >> yes, but realality steps in and I can't keep it all. >> >> It would be a shame to lose this piece of history, I do hope something >> happens to archive it. This sounds like many old hardware peices I >> use, much of the data is lost forever. Someone has it in a dark store >> room getting moldy to never see the light of day. I myself have >> nothing left from this time, I had passed on my files for porting to >> the MM/1. This is history, the only value is for the collector and >> this group and this has to be very limited. Really now how many people >> are willing to fork out even 20 bucks for a DVD, 20, 40 ??? >> >> Again just me two cents worth. Had to say something. >> >> Ron Bihler >> Author of RiBBS system. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From paulej at arid.us Fri Aug 15 21:58:10 2008 From: paulej at arid.us (Paul E. Jones) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media In-Reply-To: <48A62B9B.9050105@cox.net> References: <00f101c8ff3d$017e6e10$047b4a30$@us> <48A62B9B.9050105@cox.net> Message-ID: <00f401c8ff43$88d19f30$9a74dd90$@us> Tim, That's interesting. I mentioned on this list back in March that his daughter (I believe this is his daughter) is Wendy MacGregor: http://www.secondharvest.org/about_us/national_staff.html A call to their offices would be easy... or somebody in Chicago could drop by and say a nice hello. His wife, Willo, was living at the same address: 5803 Timber Ridge Dr Prospect, Kentucky 40059 (This is published by the state of KY here: http://www.lrc.ky.gov/RECORD/06SS/SR4/bill.doc. No magic on my part. The street address should be "Drive", not "Road", but otherwise it is correct.) You can visit here and see that Falsoft, Inc. has closed its doors, but apparently it is still "in good standing." I don't know how to interpret that, especially since no report was files since 1998: http://apps.sos.ky.gov/business/obdb/default.aspx Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:22 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Old Coco Media > > Well, > > Today I did a google for falsot something or other,a and found the > falsoft bulding for sale! I think we need a local Dr. Watson to check > it > out. > > Tim Fadden > > Paul E. Jones wrote: > > Ron, et al, > > > > I believe that a few folks on this list would pay. But, I believe > there are > > only two reasons why they would do it: > > 1) To lend a hand to the cost, time, and trouble of the person who > did the > > work -- a reward, more or less, that is still likely to be less than > the > > real sweat put into it > > 2) "For memory sake" > > > > I agree that there is really no "value" in terms on money. And, as > each > > year passes, even the "thanks for your hard effort" potential will > diminish. > > > > What we ought to do is determine who, if anybody, owns the copyright. > What > > happened to Falsoft? If it just closed and no entity acquired its > assets, > > then there is no copyright holder. (That could complicate things if, > as > > somebody suggested, Falsoft did not own the rights. What I > contributed > > belonged to Falsoft.) > > > > I tried to contact Ms. Falk not too long ago, but just got an > answering > > machine and no return call. > > > > I think trying to find Falsoft's successor is the only solution. The > only > > other solution is to just make the (likely reasonable) assumption > that it's > > all in the public domain and see what happens. Heck, what would the > damages > > be for things of no value and upon which we had reason to believe > were in > > the public domain? > > > > Is there anybody in or around Prospect, KY who can go knock on a > door? It > > can't be that hard to find out where things stand. > > > > Paul > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > >> bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Ron Bihler > >> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:33 PM > >> To: coco at maltedmedia.com > >> Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media > >> > >> Forgive as I am an outsider voicing my opinions. > >> It has been a very long time since I was active in the Coco > Community, > >> a really long time for that matter. I was very familiar with the > likes > >> of Warren Hrach, Charles Pippin and many others that contributed to > the > >> BBS community and Fidonet at the time. > >> How this has all changed but yet stayed the same. When I took on > the > >> project of connecting into the Fidonet (Those not familair - it was > >> similair to this group but all the people involved would contact a > >> local connect or in many cases a Long distance connection to share > >> messages across the country). > >> At that time the primary systems connected where the XT and AT's of > the > >> day. It took some very good and willing to people to put up with > the > >> software I created and the problems. Somehow it did get done. The > >> coco has always been the underdog to the bigger machines, but has > had a > >> solid following (Small thought). > >> > >> I syspect many people are like myself, I was big time into the Coco > and > >> OS9. Countless hours of typing in Rainbow programs. However I have > a > >> very fond memory of this time, I have since moved on. This is > really > >> very old technology. I also work with a bunch of old Hardware based > on > >> 6809 or 68000 processors, robotics etc. I can't tell you how hard > it > >> is to find software or hardware for these old machines, if at all. > >> After holding onto the Hardware and Magizines for 15 years, I ended > up > >> disposing of it (Prior to Ebay being big) as there was NO interest. > I > >> had all of them up to the introduction of the MM/1, this included > Hot > >> Coco/ Rainbow and a few issues on one I can't even remember. > Regrets > >> yes, but realality steps in and I can't keep it all. > >> > >> It would be a shame to lose this piece of history, I do hope > something > >> happens to archive it. This sounds like many old hardware peices I > >> use, much of the data is lost forever. Someone has it in a dark > store > >> room getting moldy to never see the light of day. I myself have > >> nothing left from this time, I had passed on my files for porting to > >> the MM/1. This is history, the only value is for the collector and > >> this group and this has to be very limited. Really now how many > people > >> are willing to fork out even 20 bucks for a DVD, 20, 40 ??? > >> > >> Again just me two cents worth. Had to say something. > >> > >> Ron Bihler > >> Author of RiBBS system. > >> > >> -- > >> Coco mailing list > >> Coco at maltedmedia.com > >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 22:05:18 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:05:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808151905x707a6ce9vf79d90dd691214ad@mail.gmail.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:51 PM To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Cc: Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans > I know for a fact they have old cocos & coco software in their > collection. I have seen it. They might even have some old Rainbows. > Fancy that. > I wonder when the last time Tandy's lawyers (and Dec, HP, Cray, IBM, > et al..) issued cease & desist orders. >>When did a bunch of lawyers last issue cease and desist orders? I was referring to the docs archived in the Computer History Museum, not in general ;-) They have recently restored a PDP1 to fully working status. I would not be surprised if they had copies of documentation for that project, and in general. Fortunately, I know the chief engineer who worked on that project. I will find out. I'm sure whomever owns the copyrights to DEC isn't loosing any sleep over it. From boisy at boisypitre.com Fri Aug 15 23:14:30 2008 From: boisy at boisypitre.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:14:30 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Pathetic Message-ID: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> I'm fully prepared to take the heat for what I am about to say, because (a) it's the truth, and (b) it's been a long time coming. The discussion over the past few days underscores what I think is the biggest problem that the CoCo community has: a failure to follow through and complete. Ask yourself this question: how many times have people announced hardware or software project initiatives on this list? Now, compare the answer with how many of these initiatives actually were seen to completion? Percentage wise, I would say that < 10% of projects that are talked about on this list actually get started, and out of those, maybe 10% actually are finished. That's pretty dismal. There's a copious amount of hot air on this list, along with a host of big talkers, pontificators, and experts who don't do a damn thing except dispense their advice and tell everyone else how things should be done. You self righteous demi-gods need to get off your proverbial derrieres and finish what you started, or find another group of enthusiasts to annoy with your whining and excuses. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com From neilsmorr at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 23:22:18 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Pathetic In-Reply-To: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> Message-ID: <93f331ac0808152022g6438868avac1301cea92a7602@mail.gmail.com> Why? I'm perfectly satisified to torment this group of enthusiasts with my whining and excuses. Neil On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > You > self righteous demi-gods need to get off your proverbial derrieres and > finish what you started, or find another group of enthusiasts to annoy with > your whining and excuses. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 23:35:18 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:35:18 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Pathetic References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> Message-ID: <006b01c8ff51$1cda46c0$0701a8c0@master> Boisy, My guess is that there are very few people on this list who can do more than talk about projects. There is probably a variety of reasons for this, available cash, and sufficient knowledge being a couple. We all know that more Coco hardware and software is unlikely to come forth, except from the few who are in a position to make that happen. My view is that talking about it *may* give ideas to the people who can make it happen, and jumping on those people who can't from your high horse isn't friendly, nor is it productive. Let the talking continue, even if it sounds like pontification, or big talk, by would-be experts. Many projects are perfected in just that way. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boisy G. Pitre" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [Coco] Pathetic > I'm fully prepared to take the heat for what I am about to say, because > (a) it's the truth, and (b) it's been a long time coming. > > The discussion over the past few days underscores what I think is the > biggest problem that the CoCo community has: a failure to follow through > and complete. > > Ask yourself this question: how many times have people announced hardware > or software project initiatives on this list? Now, compare the answer > with how many of these initiatives actually were seen to completion? > Percentage wise, I would say that < 10% of projects that are talked about > on this list actually get started, and out of those, maybe 10% actually > are finished. That's pretty dismal. > > There's a copious amount of hot air on this list, along with a host of > big talkers, pontificators, and experts who don't do a damn thing except > dispense their advice and tell everyone else how things should be done. > You self righteous demi-gods need to get off your proverbial derrieres > and finish what you started, or find another group of enthusiasts to > annoy with your whining and excuses. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Email: boisy at boisypitre.com > Web: http://www.boisypitre.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From michael at musicheadproductions.org Fri Aug 15 23:50:09 2008 From: michael at musicheadproductions.org (Michael Harwood) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:50:09 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Done Message-ID: When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it was non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to have the same sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to negotiate it separately. The only reason I have not relinquished my agreement with Lonnie?s heirs was due to a fear that they would not re-negotiate a deal and that we would have at least a month to legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a ?cease and desist? type action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that I will no longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my hands of this entire process. This will be the last missive you will have to bear from me on this list ? I will be removing myself this evening and will no longer answer any queries in regards to this project. Regards, Michael Harwood From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 23:52:44 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:52:44 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Anyone heard from Mary? Message-ID: <007501c8ff53$8d7b36d0$0701a8c0@master> I haven't heard from Mary in a while. Does anyone know of her whereabouts and if she's ok? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ From jmurphy at delphiforums.com Sat Aug 16 00:05:29 2008 From: jmurphy at delphiforums.com (John Murphy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans References: <8249c4ac0808151905x707a6ce9vf79d90dd691214ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony Cappellini" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:05 PM To: Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:51 PM > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: RAINBOW scans > >> I know for a fact they have old cocos & coco software in their >> collection. I have seen it. They might even have some old Rainbows. >> Fancy that. >> I wonder when the last time Tandy's lawyers (and Dec, HP, Cray, IBM, >> et al..) issued cease & desist orders. > >>>When did a bunch of lawyers last issue cease and desist orders? > I was referring to the docs archived in the Computer History Museum, > not in general ;-) > > They have recently restored a PDP1 to fully working status. I would > not be surprised if they had copies of documentation for that project, > and in general. Fortunately, I know the chief engineer who worked on > that project. I will find out. > I'm sure whomever owns the copyrights to DEC isn't loosing any sleep over > it. > Don't know who owns DEC copyrights in general, but I would guess HP. Compaq bought DEC. HP bought Compaq. HP is onsite regularly doing warrantee work on our Alphas, and all our VMS patches come from HP. From rbihler at msn.com Sat Aug 16 00:26:47 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:26:47 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Old Coco Media Message-ID: No it supported only a single node. It was pretty much running as fast as possible at 9600 under Basic09. Most of the data I/O routines where in M/L to get the speed up. I can't remember the Guy in Canada who did the MM/1 Port. He was pretty good as converting many of the B09 routines over. I was never able to afford the MM/1 and life continued on at the point. New Business and future family. Wow I can't beleive I remember some of this, did I even have Docs? :) Like most of the minor details, I had several great helpers. Ron >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:32:53 -0400 >From: Chuck Youse >Subject: Re: [Coco] Old Coco Media >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Aug 14, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Ron Bihler wrote: > > > Ron Bihler > Author of RiBBS system. > Thanks for your words, Ron. I'm kinda tempted to throw a RiBBS system up on the Internet with some custom UART cards and a terminal server (to provide TCP -> serial connectivity). Does RiBBS support multiple nodes on the same box? The docs for 2.10 don't seem too clear on this (granted, I've only perused them). I know RCIS did, but I can't seem to find the 6809 version. Rottinger moved on to the MM/1 before he shut down the Rainbow Connection.. C. ------------------------------ From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 02:26:48 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:26:48 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: <015701c8ff11$50d82a90$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: Hmmm... I forgot I had scanned two of these. I originally scanned them for a magazine project over 4 years ago but since that is officially canceled... http://rapidshare.com/files/137676377/ColorComputerMagazineMarch1983.pdf.html http://rapidshare.com/files/137677867/ColorComputerMagazineApril1983.pdf.html One of the 2 was done in 2 pieces and joined with a free program that displays text over the file. If someone has the right tools that should be easily removed. I also have a bunch of docs I scanned and forwarded to people that never saw the light of day that I'll upload if I find them. --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > > You can also upload them to rapidshare.de and post the links. I don't think > anyone will go to Germany either, for no money, and you can post up to 300 > Mb files there, 100 Mb on rapidshare.com. > > Neil > From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 02:31:43 2008 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:31:43 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Done (with the Rainbow) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A6275A9-3007-45D3-9917-E5156DEAE99E@gmail.com> I think everybody needs to take a step back from the ongoing, highly opinionated discussions occurring on the list. It looks like some people are about to take some drastic actions that many of us may regret later. The main issue stems from how to preserve the contents of the Rainbow magazine in digital form. This has expanded into a number of related issues regarding the legitimacy of copyrights, whether there is value in preserving the past, and commitment towards new/ongoing projects. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to be looking at things in a very black and white manner--it's either my way or no way. I'll ignore those who believe the Rainbow to be a relic of the past and of no interest (in which case they really don't need to get involved in any of this). I'll start with the Lonnie Falk-santioned project spearheaded by Michael. Michael has spent a great deal of time creating a digital Rainbow. He has decided to do things "by the book" and will be offering an officially sanctioned product. There have been a bunch of ups-and-downs as with any long-term project; finding the time to work on it and Lonnie's unfortunate death were two big factors that could have caused the project to fail. Michael (and his assistants) have persevered up to this point, and really should be commended. It seems to me that the finish line is in sight. I have a couple of suggestions and observations for Michael. First, perhaps it would be a good idea to write a short progress update, perhaps once every month or two, and post it to this list. Part of the reason this fierce discussion ensued was because some people thought the Rainbow on DVD project was dead, and were looking for an alternative. Second, I think the requirement in your contract to act as an informant--reporting on any competing digitization of the Rainbow--is odd, even unreasonable. But then, Falsoft has been known for having some outrageous contract requirements, a case in point being the one authors had to sign to be published in the magazine: Falsoft assumed all ownership rights, and the author was liable for any legal repercussions. In hindsight, this requirement benefits Michael's project from a legal perspective. A digital Rainbow can be published today without infringing on the original authors' rights. The second project, really more of a proposal at this point, is to get people to casually scan their copies of the Rainbow and distribute them freely. Those interested in this approach tend to have a very open, cooperative viewpoint. People in this group feel that the Rainbow copyright is no longer of value given the passage of time, unenforceable, or in some cases simply disagree with federal copyright laws (in which case perhaps they should be petitioning their legislators, not this CoCo list). This ad hoc approach may result in an incomplete set of digital issues, and inconsistent and inferior quality compared to the Rainbow on DVD project. However, access to issues would be more immediate, unlike Michael's project that won't be publicly released until the complete run of the Rainbow is converted. I believe that there is room for both projects to proceed. If one fails, perhaps the other will produce some useful results. It is unfortunate that Michael is compelled to report the activities of this second project, as now these people feel their project, if not themselves, are threatened. When threatened, people will tend to lash back. And thus we have one of the worst flamewars I've ever seen on this list. I can't really tell people what they should do to resolve things. Perhaps Michael should stop reading the list so that he remains blissfully unaware of the goings on of the competing project. Alternatively, those interested in the open Rainbow project could take their discussions off the list. Or perhaps we can negotiate a middle ground--find out what kinds discussions and wording would raise a red flag in Michael's viewpoint (e.g. mentioning locations where "copies" of the Rainbow can be found) and find tactful ways around this. Thanks for taking the time to read my thoughts. The solution will require compromises, but I do hope we can come to a reasonable agreement that most people can live with, and start talking about the thing we really do have in common: a love for all things CoCo. -- JP From kevdig at hypersurf.com Sat Aug 16 03:13:16 2008 From: kevdig at hypersurf.com (Kevin Diggs) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:13:16 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> Michael Harwood wrote: > When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it was > non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to have the same > sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to negotiate it separately. > The only reason I have not relinquished my agreement with Lonnie?s heirs was > due to a fear that they would not re-negotiate a deal and that we would have > at least a month to legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a ?cease and > desist? type action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that I will > no longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my > cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my hands of > this entire process. This will be the last missive you will have to bear > from me on this list ? I will be removing myself this evening and will no > longer answer any queries in regards to this project. > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > Oh no you don't! The following is conjecture on my part. And thus may be false. But ... YOU allowed this contract to be negotiated with only YOU as the point man. I can not conceive of it not being possible to have two or even three people in the drivers seat. What with life having a pesky habit of getting in the way it would have been a prudent thing to do. So I suspect (could be wrong here) YOU wanted the glory. And it was also YOU who got everyone fired up by actually getting this thing started. Now YOU (wounds and all) need to get it finished. Didn't I read a while back that the light at the end of the tunnel is visible? And I happen to agree with you. The last thing that should happen is that Rainbow or any other vintage magazine should have its digitized contents posted online. That just flaunts the ... questionable activity. The COORDINATED scanning of color computer magazine and Hot CoCo should continue (or start). But then just be distributed via DVDs. Quietly. Someone made a good point about NitrOS9. ... Boisy? Wow!?! Now I have the utmost respect and admiration for Mark and Cloud 9. But Superboard ain't gonna break any time to market records. (Yes I believe it WILL show up and it will be a high quality product!!!) How bout a mild retraction here? kevin Pleas don't respond with anger, Mark. No one is doing what you are to keep this neat little machine alive! From tonym at compusource.net Sat Aug 16 04:53:01 2008 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:53:01 GMT Subject: [Coco] Anyone heard from Mary? and Rainbow Scana Message-ID: <20080816045362.SM00600@[63.69.23.239]> -----Original Message----- >From: Bob Devries devries.bob at gmail.com >Sent 8/15/2008 11:52:44 PM >To: coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: [Coco] Anyone heard from Mary? > >I haven't heard from Mary in a while. >Does anyone know of her whereabouts and if she's ok? > > Yeah - she probably would've jumped in as mediator days ago! My take: I've been on this list in many of it's mainfestations, dating back to the PUCC years... As Boisy said, many things have been promised, and none delivered, Rainbow on DVD and the "OS/9 Personal Edition" being the two that come to mind immediately. I would NOT put Mark in that group, because we ALL already know that CoCo stuff is NOT even 2nd fiddle - we understand that he obviously has a life, and other responsibilities that come first, and attacking Mark was NOT the same thing. NO ONE has done for the CoCO in the past decade that he has - period. Boisy - I'm including you in that, as well. I bought a Pro-Tector, 6309, SuperDriver, Rom Kit, and a TC^3 SCSI+Clock, so I can talk... We've all known that SUperBoard is a back-burner project that gets cpu cycles when possible, and no release date was ever "PROMISED." As to the "I have a contract with Lonnie, and I must report anyone else scanning magazines," I call BS. That is like the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard - those are terms that even my children wouldn't agree to. You sign a contract, and all of a sudden you're the RainbowPolice? Please - even after reading it 3 times it made no sense... No offense to Lonnie or the family, but he's dead, as is Rainbow, and the estate probably has absolutely no clue what to do with it *IF* they even freaking know they even HAVE it :) I'm pretty sure Rainbow magazine is not even on their Top 50 list of "Things that are important." After reading all the BS a while back about this and that, and helpers, and no helpers, and I don;t know, and oh now he's dead - what do I do with the contract. Honestly? I was pretty sure that Rainbow on DVD would be yet another stillborn CoCo project - if anything was ever really accomplished. Anyone SEEN anything? I didn't think so.... But, I digress.. My opinion: You guys wanna scan and share, go ahead - if someone dislikes it, and wishes to spend $$, then they will get a lawyer to write a cease and desist letter. End of story. We now return you to your regularly scheduled bickering... 'Nuff said... Tony From mark at cloud9tech.com Sat Aug 16 05:56:21 2008 From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:56:21 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> References: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20080816045004.02ed8f50@cloud9tech.com> Kevin, This will be my only response to this. Not mad either. I have followed through on my projects all though it has taken way longer than I or anyone else would say to complete. Some look for reasons to not complete, I spend my time doing. I am not quitting, I will finish the SuperBoard project. Regards, Mark At 8/16/2008 02:13 AM, you wrote: >Michael Harwood wrote: >>When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it was >>non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to have the same >>sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to negotiate it separately. >>The only reason I have not relinquished my agreement with Lonnie?s heirs was >>due to a fear that they would not re-negotiate a deal and that we would have >>at least a month to legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a ?cease and >>desist? type action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that I will >>no longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my >>cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my hands of >>this entire process. This will be the last missive you will have to bear >>from me on this list ? I will be removing myself this evening and will no >>longer answer any queries in regards to this project. >>Regards, >>Michael Harwood >>-- >>Coco mailing list >>Coco at maltedmedia.com >>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >Oh no you don't! > >The following is conjecture on my part. And thus may be false. But ... > >YOU allowed this contract to be negotiated with >only YOU as the point man. I can not conceive of >it not being possible to have two or even three >people in the drivers seat. What with life >having a pesky habit of getting in the way it >would have been a prudent thing to do. So I >suspect (could be wrong here) YOU wanted the >glory. And it was also YOU who got everyone >fired up by actually getting this thing started. >Now YOU (wounds and all) need to get it >finished. Didn't I read a while back that the >light at the end of the tunnel is visible? > >And I happen to agree with you. The last thing >that should happen is that Rainbow or any other >vintage magazine should have its digitized >contents posted online. That just flaunts the ... questionable activity. >The COORDINATED scanning of color computer >magazine and Hot CoCo should continue (or >start). But then just be distributed via DVDs. Quietly. > >Someone made a good point about NitrOS9. ... > >Boisy? Wow!?! Now I have the utmost respect and >admiration for Mark and Cloud 9. But Superboard >ain't gonna break any time to market records. >(Yes I believe it WILL show up and it will be a >high quality product!!!) How bout a mild retraction here? > >kevin > >Pleas don't respond with anger, Mark. No one is >doing what you are to keep this neat little machine alive! > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: >8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:58 AM > From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 08:28:15 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] (From Rainbow Scan Topic Starter) Sharing Rainbow & other Uploads on List In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20080816045004.02ed8f50@cloud9tech.com> Message-ID: <242000.57581.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am the one who revived the Rainbow scan discussion as I was hoping to see a community effort, I also shared what I had with my uploads of Rainbow on Tape and Disks to the Yahoo Group as a show that I was not just all talk and no action but that I was willing to contribute as well. I had no intention of it turning into an old west style bar brawl. ?I knew some folks had Rainbow scans and I have an 11 year index of Rainbow Magazines Scanned, 2 more years of Rainbow on Disk converted over from floppy to .DSK format to share and I also have 7.7 GB of Collected CoCo Software, Magazine, Book & Document Scans (all from various web sites and my own conversions over the past 10+ years) I uploaded to my Rapidshare account with the intention of sharing with the community but it is clear this type of input is not welcome here and out of respect for the members of the list I will not offer these files here and I have removed them from Rapidshare. I am sorry my inital message about this turned out so badly. It was not my intention to anger anyone and I want to apologize to everyone for my error in judgement on this matter. I love this group and read the messages daily and respect all of you very much and again I am sorry. From boisy at boisypitre.com Sat Aug 16 08:36:51 2008 From: boisy at boisypitre.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:36:51 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> References: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> Message-ID: <108C4EC1-100C-43FB-9373-1DF8EB41FAA5@boisypitre.com> >> Someone made a good point about NitrOS9. ... I want to comment on that specifically. I know what Chuck Youse was trying to do with his NitrOS-9 analogy and I don't take it personally: he was pointing out the hypocrisy that some here possess by taking differing stances on the copyright issue. Another person made a similar point with the Donkey Kong product. You could even extend that argument to the Pac-Man game that was released some years ago. No one is jumping on these authors for their renditions are they? > Boisy? Wow!?! Now I have the utmost respect and admiration for Mark > and Cloud 9. But Superboard ain't gonna break any time to market > records. (Yes I believe it WILL show up and it will be a high > quality product!!!) How bout a mild retraction here? Absolutely not. I'll let Mark answer on the SuperBoard since he is driving the schedule on that, not me. Another poster mentioned that there are people on this list who don't have the experience/time/resources to write software or contribute. Those aren't the people I'm talking about. I'm talking about the comers and goers who have made big announcements and pronouncements of what they were going to do, only to peter out in the end. GCC for the CoCo, replacement GIME, ethernet... I could go on and on. Wake up! Commodore enthusiasts and other retro-computing communities have done all of that and more. Michael Harwood is just one of a long line of big dreamers who start off big and end limp. He came on here promising a great effort and promising to deliver on what everyone wants: Rainbow in digital format. The updates came rapidly, then fewer and fewer. Falk's death, estate issues, blah blah blah. Excuses, excuses. Then he wants to sit on here like a hawk on a power line and pounce on perceived violators. For me, it's the straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com From boisy at boisypitre.com Sat Aug 16 08:48:02 2008 From: boisy at boisypitre.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:48:02 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Pathetic In-Reply-To: <006b01c8ff51$1cda46c0$0701a8c0@master> References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <006b01c8ff51$1cda46c0$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <81C234FD-6BE1-4F72-B004-6C31359F3874@boisypitre.com> > Boisy, > > My guess is that there are very few people on this list who can do > more than talk about projects. There is probably a variety of > reasons for this, available cash, and sufficient knowledge being a > couple. > > We all know that more Coco hardware and software is unlikely to come > forth, except from the few who are in a position to make that happen. > > My view is that talking about it *may* give ideas to the people who > can make it happen, and jumping on those people who can't from your > high horse isn't friendly, nor is it productive. > > Let the talking continue, even if it sounds like pontification, or > big talk, by would-be experts. Many projects are perfected in just > that way. Bob, you are not getting my point. Your message simply serves to enable the do-nothings and pontificators. As I have previously stated, it's not about the people that have ideas and use this medium to share them. It's about the big pronouncements, the pre-announcements, the projects that get started and turn into nothing. It isn't my intention to sound aloof, but if my horse is high, it's because I've put my money where my mouth is, just like a handful of others on this list have. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com From boisy at boisypitre.com Sat Aug 16 08:49:45 2008 From: boisy at boisypitre.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:49:45 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Absolutely pathetic. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Michael Harwood wrote: > When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it > was > non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to have the > same > sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to negotiate it > separately. > The only reason I have not relinquished my agreement with Lonnie?s > heirs was > due to a fear that they would not re-negotiate a deal and that we > would have > at least a month to legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a ?cease and > desist? type action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that > I will > no longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my > cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my > hands of > this entire process. This will be the last missive you will have to > bear > from me on this list ? I will be removing myself this evening and > will no > longer answer any queries in regards to this project. > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From os9dude at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 08:59:16 2008 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:59:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20080816045004.02ed8f50@cloud9tech.com> References: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20080816045004.02ed8f50@cloud9tech.com> Message-ID: <5631e580808160559h7f4359e6ue4fa56b436b8e1ed@mail.gmail.com> The way the hardware and software has been developed for the CoCo 'market' since production shutdown by Tandy has been handled in a *completely* different way when compared with Hardwood's The Rainbow scanning project. Yes there have been vaporware announcements and other things that actually were made a reality and maybe could have used a better managed timing table... but hey, this all has been done as a hobby and that is well understood - I'll be the first to state so without hesitation. But, none of those efforts were ever clouded with such hard lined self-serving politics as with the Lonnie contract. What made it worst was that comment from Michael, it came about as from a Lonnie appointed "The Rainbow Policeman". Had I known (and probably the CoCo Community as well) of that clause in the contract BEFORE signing it off, I would raised a red flag and sought for a solid win-win scenario on the DVD project - as worded it tilts heavily for Falsoft... and with all due respect to Lonnie and his estate, Falsoft also owes a GREAT deal to the CoCo Community, without the readership, and a dedicated & faithful readership it has been for years, Falsoft wouldn't have reached the heights it did, it would have even never existed at all!. Lonnie used to throw a quote "Falsoft, the house that The Rainbow built". That alone was the reason that prompted me to say I wouldn't have any part of the project becoming one of its 'customers', and now it looks like the whole thing has come dead stop. Unexpected?. No. It does not surprise me at all after the details of such an ill-conceived contract came to light. Why do I feel relieved? maybe we're better off that way... such a small group threatened with legal action just because we support a common hobby, and share information from time to time on it. It just doesn't make sense. -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:56 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > Kevin, > > This will be my only response to this. Not mad either. > I have followed through on my projects all though it has taken way longer > than I or anyone else would say to complete. > Some look for reasons to not complete, I spend my time doing. > I am not quitting, I will finish the SuperBoard project. > Regards, > Mark > > > At 8/16/2008 02:13 AM, you wrote: > >> Michael Harwood wrote: >> >>> When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it was >>> non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to have the same >>> sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to negotiate it separately. >>> ...... SNIP! ----- >>> >> Oh no you don't! >> >> The following is conjecture on my part. And thus may be false. But ... >> >> YOU allowed this contract to be negotiated with only YOU as the point man. >> I can not conceive of it not being possible to have two or even three people >> in the drivers seat. What with life having a pesky habit of getting in the >> way it would have been a prudent thing to do. So I suspect (could be wrong >> here) YOU wanted the glory. And it was also YOU who got everyone fired up by >> actually getting this thing started. Now YOU (wounds and all) need to get it >> finished. Didn't I read a while back that the light at the end of the tunnel >> is visible? >> ... SNIP! ... >> > From mark at cloud9tech.com Sat Aug 16 09:27:54 2008 From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:27:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <5631e580808160559h7f4359e6ue4fa56b436b8e1ed@mail.gmail.com > References: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20080816045004.02ed8f50@cloud9tech.com> <5631e580808160559h7f4359e6ue4fa56b436b8e1ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20080816081803.02eec6e8@cloud9tech.com> I don't ever recall ever seeing the 'contract' between Michael and Lonnie. Might have missed it. Maybe it was just verbal, but with Lonnie, I REALLY doubt it. So one can say what ever they would like to make the project not happen. Being divorced twice, neither of my wives liked the CoCo due to the time spent on it. They would not respond in any manner if they were asked about a CoCo project. Maybe that is the case with Lonnie's widow. Really doesn't matter. There were many way Michael could have moved forward, he chose his course. As someone stated...It is cheaper for them to do nothing. What is really sad about this wet dreamer is it puts another bad taste in one's mouth for community projects. Yes this is a hobby but like all of us we need to make choices of our free time. With those that made the choice to help, in time and or material, the project stalled. Hopefully people retained their own efforts and another lesson learned. Mark Cloud-9 At 8/16/2008 07:59 AM, you wrote: >The way the hardware and software has been developed for the CoCo 'market' >since production shutdown by Tandy has been handled in a *completely* >different way when compared with Hardwood's The Rainbow scanning project. >Yes there have been vaporware announcements and other things that actually >were made a reality and maybe could have used a better managed timing >table... but hey, this all has been done as a hobby and that is well >understood - I'll be the first to state so without hesitation. > >But, none of those efforts were ever clouded with such hard lined >self-serving politics as with the Lonnie contract. What made it worst was >that comment from Michael, it came about as from a Lonnie appointed "The >Rainbow Policeman". Had I known (and probably the CoCo Community as well) of >that clause in the contract BEFORE signing it off, I would raised a red flag >and sought for a solid win-win scenario on the DVD project - as worded it >tilts heavily for Falsoft... and with all due respect to Lonnie and his >estate, Falsoft also owes a GREAT deal to the CoCo Community, without the >readership, and a dedicated & faithful readership it has been for years, >Falsoft wouldn't have reached the heights it did, it would have even never >existed at all!. Lonnie used to throw a quote "Falsoft, the house that The >Rainbow built". > >That alone was the reason that prompted me to say I wouldn't have any part >of the project becoming one of its 'customers', and now it looks like the >whole thing has come dead stop. Unexpected?. No. It does not surprise me at >all after the details of such an ill-conceived contract came to light. Why >do I feel relieved? maybe we're better off that way... such a small group >threatened with legal action just because we support a common hobby, and >share information from time to time on it. It just doesn't make sense. > > > >-=[ Rogelio ]=- > > > >On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:56 AM, Mark Marlette wrote: > > > Kevin, > > > > This will be my only response to this. Not mad either. > > I have followed through on my projects all though it has taken way longer > > than I or anyone else would say to complete. > > Some look for reasons to not complete, I spend my time doing. > > I am not quitting, I will finish the SuperBoard project. > > Regards, > > Mark > > > > > > At 8/16/2008 02:13 AM, you wrote: > > > >> Michael Harwood wrote: > >> > >>> When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it was > >>> non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to have the same > >>> sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to negotiate it separately. > >>> ...... SNIP! ----- > >>> > >> Oh no you don't! > >> > >> The following is conjecture on my part. And thus may be false. But ... > >> > >> YOU allowed this contract to be negotiated with only YOU as the point man. > >> I can not conceive of it not being possible to have two or even > three people > >> in the drivers seat. What with life having a pesky habit of getting in the > >> way it would have been a prudent thing to do. So I suspect (could be wrong > >> here) YOU wanted the glory. And it was also YOU who got everyone > fired up by > >> actually getting this thing started. Now YOU (wounds and all) > need to get it > >> finished. Didn't I read a while back that the light at the end > of the tunnel > >> is visible? > >> ... SNIP! ... > >> > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: >8/16/2008 7:11 AM From jimhrubik at earthlink.net Sat Aug 16 10:05:40 2008 From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:05:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] The Time Has Come Message-ID: Remember? Volume 12, Number 10? That was the issue I scanned for Mike Harwood and sent to the project. The paper original is still on the shelf here. The folks I feel have been damaged by Mike's precipitous quitting of the project are those who sent him their copies to be scanned; I wonder if he will send them back? Never mind; Harwood has joined S. Disney and others in the CoCo Mythology. So, aside from those who sent their physical copies of Rainbow to be used in the project (assuming they never get them back again), who has been harmed by all of this? Claiming some sort of damage, to me, appears quite specious. In retrospect, I think we have gained some things, if we don't get our shorts in knots. For one, I learned much about .pdf quality and file sizes (yes, I know that is not really "on-topic", but it was valuable nontheless). Before the Harwood project started, people had their individual copies of Rainbow, just like me. They may not have had a complete set, and for the most part, the magazines simply gathered dust. Occasionally, something was remembered, an article was retrieved, and life went on. People made occasional scans of their copies, and if a fellow CoCoNut knew of the scan and requested a copy of the scan, it was usually provided at no charge. (Don't ask me for scans of Rainbow issues; I have only the one scan mentioned above, and it is a 9 meg file which my mailbox will not handle, and the only way I was able to send it to Harwood was by direct ftp upload to his site. Sorry about the run-on sentence.) Really, has anything changed? Why engage in flame wars, other than the fact that some people have assumed that they are losing the chance to get something for nothing and it irritates them that they might have to actually do some work contributing (without pay, might I add!!) to share in the spoils? Them that works, eats. That is why I encourage the efforts of those who actually make stuff and charge for it. Mark and Boisy and Roger and all the others who do their work and ask for some small payment are simply exercising their rights. Harwood (with respect to the copies he personally scanned) possibly saw some hope of being remunerated for his scanning work. We have lost nothing as a community by the withdrawal of the Harwood project. Some have possibly lost as individuals by their contribution to it, but those who contributed nothing certainly lost nothing. Harwood saw an opportunity to make some small change and took it. His response with regard to reporting copyright violators (if it was actually in his contract) was probably a mixture of fear that he could be sued, and aggravation that his work, which he expected to make a token amount from (despite all protestations otherwise), would suddenly yield less money if rogue digital copies were accessible somewhere else. So, let's step back and turn off the flame throwers. Those who have digitized copies of _anything_ for their personal use can possibly inventory what they have and let the community know somehow. If I have a book on my shelf, and tell the world that it is there, and a friend asks to borrow it, that is between the two of us. Yes, I know there is a difference between my giving him my only copy and my giving him a copy while I keep the original, and that is something the two of us have to sort out. (Will he give it back when he is done with it? Or will he have passed it to a third party without my knowledge? Digital libraries have distinct advantages and disadvantages.) Legality and morality are two different concepts. Much of current copyright law can be viewed as immoral. The intent was simply to make sure that the author of an original idea had the opportunity to reasonably profit from it. The actual effect, when Congress diddled with it, was to stifle the sharing of knowledge. Each has to wrestle with the morality of his actions, and proceed according to the dictates of his conscience. No matter what you do, someone, somewhere, will hate you for it. Sic semper natura humanorum -- or something like that. Onward, upward, CoCo, and caveat emptor to all!! +||||||||||###########################|||||||||||+ +|||||| HRUBIK APPRAISAL SERVICES |||||||+ +|||||| James C. Hrubik, Sr., RAA |||||||+ +|||||| Appraisal & Appraisal Review |||||||+ +|||||| Consulting & Litigation Support |||||||+ +|||||| V/F-(330)745-8435 |||||||+ +|||||| C-(330)472-3023 |||||||+ +|||||| jimhrubik at earthlink.net |||||||+ +|||||| http://www.hrubikappraisal.com |||||||+ +||||||||||###########################|||||||||||+ From jdaggett at gate.net Sat Aug 16 10:28:11 2008 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:28:11 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A6ABBB.1820.6885C0@jdaggett.gate.net> Micheal While others may not fathom the position that you are engaged in, I can. Your efforts were valid and admirable. It is a tragic that the project came to an end with the untimely death of Lonnie and the lack of response from his heirs. I would not continue considering the ligtigeous society that we live in here in the US unless I had deep enough pockets to withstand a lawsuit that may or may not come about. Even a 1% chance of a lawsuit is enough for me to consider to cease and disist such an endeavor. Such a lawsuit is not worth it over a magazine that is over 15 yrs out of print. james On 15 Aug 2008 at 21:50, Michael Harwood wrote: > When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it > was non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to have > the same sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to negotiate it > separately. The only reason I have not relinquished my agreement with > Lonnie?s heirs was due to a fear that they would not re-negotiate a > deal and that we would have at least a month to legally sell the DVD?s > in the case of a ?cease and desist? type action. After the recent > firestorm I have decided that I will no longer participate in this > process at all. I plan to send my cancellation to the estate with a > registered letter and wash my hands of this entire process. This will > be the last missive you will have to bear from me on this list ? I > will be removing myself this evening and will no longer answer any > queries in regards to this project. > > Regards, > Michael Harwood > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: > 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > From jdaggett at gate.net Sat Aug 16 10:34:34 2008 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <48A6AD3A.21869.6E5D7A@jdaggett.gate.net> On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:49, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > Absolutely pathetic. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre Do you have deep enough pockets to take on any potential lawsuit? Even if the probablility is one in a million, could you afford a law suit in the future years? That is the potential that Micheal faces. Yes the possibility of a law suit is very very slim. If you have never been sued before, legal costs can mount up is a hurry. A few letters, ,research into copyright law and filing a court date can quickly add up to over $10,000. just my opinion james > -- > Email: boisy at boisypitre.com > Web: http://www.boisypitre.com > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Michael Harwood wrote: > > > When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it > > was non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to > > have the same sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to > > negotiate it separately. The only reason I have not relinquished my > > agreement with Lonnie?s heirs was due to a fear that they would not > > re-negotiate a deal and that we would have at least a month to > > legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a "cease and desist" type > > action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that I will no > > longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my > > cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my > > hands of this entire process. This will be the last missive you > > will have to bear from me on this list - I will be removing myself > > this evening and will no longer answer any queries in regards to > > this project. > > > > Regards, > > Michael Harwood > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: > 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > From jdaggett at gate.net Sat Aug 16 10:51:31 2008 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:51:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <108C4EC1-100C-43FB-9373-1DF8EB41FAA5@boisypitre.com> References: , <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com>, <108C4EC1-100C-43FB-9373-1DF8EB41FAA5@boisypitre.com> Message-ID: <48A6B133.26276.7DE455@jdaggett.gate.net> On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:36, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > Another poster mentioned that there are people on this list who don't > have the experience/time/resources to write software or contribute. > Those aren't the people I'm talking about. I'm talking about the > comers and goers who have made big announcements and pronouncements of > what they were going to do, only to peter out in the end. GCC for > the CoCo, replacement GIME, ethernet... I could go on and on. I can answer your GIME replacement point. it si still ongoing with lower priorities since there is already a device that can convert the Coco RGB to VGA monitors. A much simpler approach that does not require potential soldering skills from the end user. That was the main driving point behind that FPGA GIME chip. Beisdes I took on the idea to learn VHDL and FPGA programming. If the community still wants one then I can easily finish. Still the comm unity has a lot of wishes but clear cut idea of what is needed first and what to prioritize. Until that occurs, I do nothing. Besides I have only been working on that for about three years. The superboard has been in development for over 6 yrs. Is is shipping yet? I am not doing my work for profit or gain. I only offer my services to the community. If not wanted then no hard feelings. I continue on with my hobby development for my personal needs. For the Coco4, most seemed happy with it being an emmulated software driven idea. I am a hardware engineer and my expertise in progamming software for Linux and Windoze is not even beginers level. If hardware is needed I can offer my services to anyone. But todevelope hardware one needs a clear and decisive path to follow. if all these appear to be excuses to y our then so be it. But my time is pecious to me and I will work on my needs first unless there is commonality in my personal needs and the Coco community in general. james From boisy at boisypitre.com Sat Aug 16 11:03:40 2008 From: boisy at boisypitre.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:03:40 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <48A6B133.26276.7DE455@jdaggett.gate.net> References: , <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com>, <108C4EC1-100C-43FB-9373-1DF8EB41FAA5@boisypitre.com> <48A6B133.26276.7DE455@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: <592C33D0-B129-47A1-9523-040A0E183A29@boisypitre.com> Excuses, excuses, excuses. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com On Aug 16, 2008, at 9:51 AM, jdaggett at gate.net wrote: > On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:36, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > >> Another poster mentioned that there are people on this list who don't >> have the experience/time/resources to write software or contribute. >> Those aren't the people I'm talking about. I'm talking about the >> comers and goers who have made big announcements and pronouncements >> of >> what they were going to do, only to peter out in the end. GCC for >> the CoCo, replacement GIME, ethernet... I could go on and on. > > I can answer your GIME replacement point. > > it si still ongoing with lower priorities since there is already a > device that can convert the > Coco RGB to VGA monitors. A much simpler approach that does not > require potential > soldering skills from the end user. That was the main driving point > behind that FPGA GIME > chip. Beisdes I took on the idea to learn VHDL and FPGA programming. > If the community > still wants one then I can easily finish. Still the comm unity has a > lot of wishes but clear cut > idea of what is needed first and what to prioritize. Until that > occurs, I do nothing. > > Besides I have only been working on that for about three years. The > superboard has been in > development for over 6 yrs. Is is shipping yet? I am not doing my > work for profit or gain. I > only offer my services to the community. If not wanted then no hard > feelings. I continue on > with my hobby development for my personal needs. > > For the Coco4, most seemed happy with it being an emmulated > software driven idea. I am > a hardware engineer and my expertise in progamming software for > Linux and Windoze is > not even beginers level. If hardware is needed I can offer my > services to anyone. But > todevelope hardware one needs a clear and decisive path to follow. > > if all these appear to be excuses to y our then so be it. But my > time is pecious to me and I > will work on my needs first unless there is commonality in my > personal needs and the Coco > community in general. > > james > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdaggett at gate.net Sat Aug 16 11:38:20 2008 From: jdaggett at gate.net (jdaggett at gate.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:38:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <592C33D0-B129-47A1-9523-040A0E183A29@boisypitre.com> References: , <48A6B133.26276.7DE455@jdaggett.gate.net>, <592C33D0-B129-47A1-9523-040A0E183A29@boisypitre.com> Message-ID: <48A6BC2C.17817.A8BF09@jdaggett.gate.net> Boisey you are entitled to your friggin opinions and if your intentions are to chase off the members of this group then your are doing very good job at it. If you want to be the genreal that dictates what the community wants and prioritize what is to be developed then have at it. Otherwise keep your friggin mouth shut and go off and play with rosy palm. james On 16 Aug 2008 at 10:03, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > Excuses, excuses, excuses. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Email: boisy at boisypitre.com > Web: http://www.boisypitre.com > > On Aug 16, 2008, at 9:51 AM, jdaggett at gate.net wrote: > > > On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:36, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > > > >> Another poster mentioned that there are people on this list who > >> don't have the experience/time/resources to write software or > >> contribute. Those aren't the people I'm talking about. I'm talking > >> about the comers and goers who have made big announcements and > >> pronouncements of what they were going to do, only to peter out in > >> the end. GCC for the CoCo, replacement GIME, ethernet... I could > >> go on and on. > > > > I can answer your GIME replacement point. > > > > it si still ongoing with lower priorities since there is already a > > device that can convert the Coco RGB to VGA monitors. A much simpler > > approach that does not require potential soldering skills from the > > end user. That was the main driving point behind that FPGA GIME > > chip. Beisdes I took on the idea to learn VHDL and FPGA programming. > > If the community still wants one then I can easily finish. Still > > the comm unity has a lot of wishes but clear cut idea of what is > > needed first and what to prioritize. Until that occurs, I do > > nothing. > > > > Besides I have only been working on that for about three years. The > > superboard has been in development for over 6 yrs. Is is shipping > > yet? I am not doing my work for profit or gain. I only offer my > > services to the community. If not wanted then no hard feelings. I > > continue on with my hobby development for my personal needs. > > > > For the Coco4, most seemed happy with it being an emmulated > > software driven idea. I am > > a hardware engineer and my expertise in progamming software for > > Linux and Windoze is not even beginers level. If hardware is needed > > I can offer my services to anyone. But todevelope hardware one > > needs a clear and decisive path to follow. > > > > if all these appear to be excuses to y our then so be it. But my > > time is pecious to me and I will work on my needs first unless there > > is commonality in my personal needs and the Coco community in > > general. > > > > james > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: > 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > From skwirl42 at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 12:01:20 2008 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:01:20 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <592C33D0-B129-47A1-9523-040A0E183A29@boisypitre.com> References: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> <108C4EC1-100C-43FB-9373-1DF8EB41FAA5@boisypitre.com> <48A6B133.26276.7DE455@jdaggett.gate.net> <592C33D0-B129-47A1-9523-040A0E183A29@boisypitre.com> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30808160901h2b248c97l10cd74d9ce33a3e1@mail.gmail.com> On 8/16/08, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > Excuses, excuses, excuses. Boisy, why does it matter so much to you, personally? You're acting like it's a personal affront to you that these projects didn't get completed to your satisfaction. You're coming on here, after an absence of about the same length as mine, and jumping down people's throats. Sure, you've done great things for the CoCo community, but that doesn't excuse that kind of hostility. -- James Dessart From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 12:02:19 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <592C33D0-B129-47A1-9523-040A0E183A29@boisypitre.com> Message-ID: <212554.2489.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Silly me. I thought this group was Troll free.. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: From: Boisy G. Pitre Subject: Re: [Coco] Done To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 8:03 AM Excuses, excuses, excuses. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com On Aug 16, 2008, at 9:51 AM, jdaggett at gate.net wrote: > On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:36, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > >> Another poster mentioned that there are people on this list who don't >> have the experience/time/resources to write software or contribute. >> Those aren't the people I'm talking about. I'm talking about the >> comers and goers who have made big announcements and pronouncements >> of >> what they were going to do, only to peter out in the end. GCC for >> the CoCo, replacement GIME, ethernet... I could go on and on. > > I can answer your GIME replacement point. > > it si still ongoing with lower priorities since there is already a > device that can convert the > Coco RGB to VGA monitors. A much simpler approach that does not > require potential > soldering skills from the end user. That was the main driving point > behind that FPGA GIME > chip. Beisdes I took on the idea to learn VHDL and FPGA programming. > If the community > still wants one then I can easily finish. Still the comm unity has a > lot of wishes but clear cut > idea of what is needed first and what to prioritize. Until that > occurs, I do nothing. > > Besides I have only been working on that for about three years. The > superboard has been in > development for over 6 yrs. Is is shipping yet? I am not doing my > work for profit or gain. I > only offer my services to the community. If not wanted then no hard > feelings. I continue on > with my hobby development for my personal needs. > > For the Coco4, most seemed happy with it being an emmulated > software driven idea. I am > a hardware engineer and my expertise in progamming software for > Linux and Windoze is > not even beginers level. If hardware is needed I can offer my > services to anyone. But > todevelope hardware one needs a clear and decisive path to follow. > > if all these appear to be excuses to y our then so be it. But my > time is pecious to me and I > will work on my needs first unless there is commonality in my > personal needs and the Coco > community in general. > > james > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jimhrubik at earthlink.net Sat Aug 16 12:07:10 2008 From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:07:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Yoicks! Message-ID: <93043F24-9796-4374-901C-4612645EE70A@earthlink.net> Boisy, Mark, Roger, all of you that have done and don't just talk ... we love you. Hang in there. All hounds gots ticks. Don' keep 'em from huntin' none. +||||||||||###########################|||||||||||+ +|||||| HRUBIK APPRAISAL SERVICES |||||||+ +|||||| James C. Hrubik, Sr., RAA |||||||+ +|||||| Appraisal & Appraisal Review |||||||+ +|||||| Consulting & Litigation Support |||||||+ +|||||| V/F-(330)745-8435 |||||||+ +|||||| C-(330)472-3023 |||||||+ +|||||| jimhrubik at earthlink.net |||||||+ +|||||| http://www.hrubikappraisal.com |||||||+ +||||||||||###########################|||||||||||+ From jcewy at swbell.net Sat Aug 16 13:41:54 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Verilog CoCo 3? In-Reply-To: <003701c8ff1e$cd0e7e40$672b7ac0$@com> References: <003701c8ff1e$cd0e7e40$672b7ac0$@com> Message-ID: <48A71162.2080906@swbell.net> David Gacke wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > Whatever happened to the guy with the Verilog CoCo3 implementation? I found > a link in the archives, but the website that it pointed to is gone it seems. > > That was Gary Becker, I believe. I haven't been to the web site for a while, so I didn't know it was completely gone. I had noticed with great disappointment, that the downloads had been removed and he had left a cryptic note about "rethinking" his FPGA projects, whatever that means. But it didn't disappear before I had downloaded the source and the documentation PDF. > > > Also, was that code he had posted GPL'd or similar? If so, could someone > please send it to me, or post a link to it. I'd like to do some poking > around in my spare time. > > I am fairly certain that he mentioned the GPL by name on his web site. Unfortunately, I saw no "COPYING" file, and no mention of any license whatsoever in the source or the documentation PDF, so I would say that means that it has not, technically, been released under the terms of the GPL, or any other recognized Open Source license. I hope it's not the case, but it looks like we may have another marvelous project, 99% complete, abandoned by its original author, hiding in plain sight, just out of reach of a potential community of collaborators, behind a glass wall of copyright law. But before we get too fired up... My recollection was that in Gary's posts to this list, he seemed to express an interest in making his FPGA CoCo a community project. It seemed clear to me that, at least at one time, he was very open to collaboration, and wanted to share his work. He did post the source code after all. I also got the feeling that his attitude soured as he saw the tone of some of the discussion on this list, but I would have to look back at old posts. I can understand being put off by some of the sniping that goes on. Perhaps we could all take a civility pill, and wash it down with a dose of skin thickener. It would certainly be worth having somebody very politely and tactfully contact Gary and see what his present intentions are and what he would have us do with any copies of his source code that we may already have downloaded. Needless to say, it is up to us individually to choose whether we comply with his wishes on this point or not. On the positive side, there are already other CoCo-related chunks of Verilog/VHDL out there. The CPU core Gary used with his design was written by John Kent, and is quite definitely licensed under the GPL. It has been criticized as amateurish, and isn't cycle-accurate (neither is the 6309 running in native mode), but can apparently be clocked to at least 12 MHz, and most importantly of all, it exists, it works, and it is actually available under an Open Source license. I'd rather have a sucky, amateurish, functional, and available CPU core that can't be yanked away on a whim than nothing at all. If it's bad, make it better. If nothing else, it can serve as a stand-in processor until somebody comes up with a better one. Good commercial software is a fine thing, but I'll take bad Open Source over proprietary vaporware any day. In addition to John Kent's 6809, I believe that Mark McDougall has done quite a bit of work on an FPGA CoCo 1/2, and James Daggett has been working on a GIME replacement. So even if Gary Becker's code becomes lost for the purposes of collaboration (which we don't definitively know yet), there is other work that could be brought together, if the respective authors are willing to share. I think that part of the problem the CoCo community has in finishing up projects is that they all tend to stay one-man-shows. I'll admit that in my weaker moments I still have ludicrous fantasies about starting something big with a project that begins in the basement in my spare time. (Spare time? That's the biggest joke of it all!) The mythology of Gates, Wozniak, and Jobs looms large in the imaginations of us all, so it's hard to give up the notion that our hobby could become our livelihood, or at least could pay for itself. It's difficult to give up control of an idea and let a bunch of other people get in there and monkey around with it. But the more we focus on how much time we are spending working on our babies, and how little others appreciate our efforts, the more bitter, angry, and depressed we become. This is no fundamentalist free software screed, and it is not an attempt to tell anybody else what to do with their projects, nor is it a criticism in any way of those who put in monumental efforts and ask for payment for their work. I have great respect for Boisy Pitre, Mark Marlette, Roger Taylor, and anybody else who makes and sells a product for the CoCo. But people keep on stressing that this is a hobby, and that 15-25 year old publications for an obsolete computer will never again have enough monetary value to be worth suing over, et cetera. Previous discussions of FPGA CoCos have become mired in speculation about the difficulties of turning such a thing into a commercial product. Fine. Forget it. There will likely be no Next Generation CoCo that you can buy, already assembled, in a box, from a single vendor. There are undoubtedly people willing to buy peripheral devices, software, accessories, an so on, but there probably isn't a market for a mass-produced, conventional product on the scale of a whole CoCo-compatible computer. But why on earth do we have to limit our thinking to such grandiose outcomes? Just because it'll never become a shrink-wrapped product, produced by the boat loads in China, filling the shelves of your local Wal-Ly World, played with for five hours, and then dumped in the landfill, doesn't mean it's not a project worth doing. In fact, in my mind, the rough and open nature of such a project makes it much more interesting than some closed, polished box. One of the best features of the CoCo was that it was a diamond in the rough. All those little ads in the back of Rainbow Magazine were because the CoCo had so much potential in the form of "room for improvement". I know my capabilities are humble. But I just might be able to contribute something of worth, however minimal, to a real, honest-to-goodness, collaborative Next-Gen CoCo effort. The rougher and more open it is, the more chance there is for me to contribute -- and that's what would motivate me to take part. Keep your expectations low and you'll be less likely to be disappointed. Gary Becker built his FPGA CoCo on a ready-made FPGA development board. It was somewhere in the $100-$200 range. We don't need an assembled, tested, branded CoCo in a box. We need a freely distributable, collaboration friendly, HDL CoCo core that individual users can, if they can supply the necessary hardware and expertise, build into their own custom FPGA CoCo-compatible system. Once that is available, there will at least be the groundwork in place for a community of developers to grow around it. There will be plenty of opportunity to develop and market little kits that make it easier for ordinary users to set one up for themselves, or add new functionality. Keep the design modular and people can even sell commercial plug-in replacements for the HDL components. You can put hours and hours of solitary effort into a thing, get mad, quit, and have wasted a chunk of your life. End of story. Or you can put hours and hours of effort in, slap a GPL (or Open Source license of your choice) on it, put it out there, and open yourself up to the possibility, however slight, that somebody else might just give something back to you in the form of collaboration. Sure, you're taking a chance that nobody cares, or has the time or expertise to do any more with your baby than what you have done yourself. In that instance, you're no worse off than if you had just picked up your marbles and gone home. Better yet, you can make a real effort to get others to contribute and collaborate. Sure, it may in the end amount to nothing. But the chances of a project going somewhere are far better if you don't insist on going it alone, and if others share a vested interest in seeing their work realized as well. Let us take it for granted that, for the most part, the market for CoCo-related items on the scale of entire computer systems is tiny and sporadic at best. Let us simply assume that any such development must either be the colossal effort of one entirely dedicated individual, who is likely to be profoundly disappointed at the lack of a massive groundswell of eager and wealthy buyers; or else an entirely collaborative labor of love by the CoCo community to produce a successor to the Color Computer line that is not tied to any particular hardware implementation, or to the fortunes of any company or individual. The rewards will likely not be monetary, though if such a project comes to fruition, I do see opportunities for enterprising developers. Instead, what one would get for participating in such a project would be the enjoyment of collaboration, the expression of creativity, and the thrill of the hack. Obviously if Gary's project had been licensed under the GPL, and if Rainbow Magazine was re-released with a Creative Commons license, we wouldn't have all this hand-wringing, sniping, flaming, accusation, threatening, and whining. We could simply all get down to the business of playing, working, and talking about the Color Computer and its relatives, which is what I think we all really want to do on this list anyway. Those things are what they are, and we may be able to do little or nothing about them. But if we wanted to, we could take what we do have and begin new projects that are collaborative and open from the outset. FWIW, IMHO, the views expressed here, bla, bla, bla... JCE > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > Dave Gacke > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Aug 16 14:23:51 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:23:51 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Verilog CoCo 3? In-Reply-To: <48A71162.2080906@swbell.net> References: <003701c8ff1e$cd0e7e40$672b7ac0$@com> <48A71162.2080906@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48A71B37.4020307@cox.net> I guess I just don't get it. Everybody talks about gpl licences, and making money etc. The 6809 is a dead end. I will continue to mess with my coco, and enjoy it. But be realistic! Its a hobby, like collecting old toasters! Sure If I see some product, I could use. Like a rgb to vga adapter, which I am waiting with much anticipation to get. I will buy it. But somebody to think that they are going to produce some thing to make a profit from is smoking something funny! IMHO. If someone does make it big, hooray for them, but the chance is next to nill. Why is everybody so fired up about licencing some thing that at best 100 people would buy, and about half of them would only buy it to help out the creator? THIS IS A HOBBY we should be sharing freely. If you want to "protect" you code or make a bunch of money, you belong on some other platform. Any coco related thing I have is shareable to any one in need of it. Not necessarily for horders. Although I am a pack rat myself! ha ha ha Now, back to Team Fortress II to on my 3.2 gig dual proc 8meg ram 5 terrabyte disk multimedia PC running Vista 64 bit. Which by the way is too complicated for one person to program anything of any marketability by themselv's. But thats where the cash is. I have written a few coco utils that is are usefull though, like a print deamon written in assembler, and a checkbook/finance program written for MV. I learned a bunch doing it, but it aint worth squat! I have been away from the coco scene for quite some time, now I know why I left.... unfortunately. P.S. By the way I am not affended, not mad, not leaving. he he he Go ahead and blast me, I got thick skin, and, I have lived with my self long enough not to care much about what other people say. ha ha ha I have found that usually if something bugs ya it's because it's close to the truth! If it was wackers, it wouldn't bug ya! Tim Fadden Joel Ewy wrote: > David Gacke wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> >> >> Whatever happened to the guy with the Verilog CoCo3 implementation? I found >> a link in the archives, but the website that it pointed to is gone it seems. >> >> >> > That was Gary Becker, I believe. I haven't been to the web site for a > while, so I didn't know it was completely gone. I had noticed with > great disappointment, that the downloads had been removed and he had > left a cryptic note about "rethinking" his FPGA projects, whatever that > means. But it didn't disappear before I had downloaded the source and > the documentation PDF. > >> >> >> Also, was that code he had posted GPL'd or similar? If so, could someone >> please send it to me, or post a link to it. I'd like to do some poking >> around in my spare time. >> >> >> > I am fairly certain that he mentioned the GPL by name on his web site. > Unfortunately, I saw no "COPYING" file, and no mention of any license > whatsoever in the source or the documentation PDF, so I would say that > means that it has not, technically, been released under the terms of the > GPL, or any other recognized Open Source license. > > I hope it's not the case, but it looks like we may have another > marvelous project, 99% complete, abandoned by its original author, > hiding in plain sight, just out of reach of a potential community of > collaborators, behind a glass wall of copyright law. > > But before we get too fired up... My recollection was that in Gary's > posts to this list, he seemed to express an interest in making his FPGA > CoCo a community project. It seemed clear to me that, at least at one > time, he was very open to collaboration, and wanted to share his work. > He did post the source code after all. I also got the feeling that his > attitude soured as he saw the tone of some of the discussion on this > list, but I would have to look back at old posts. I can understand > being put off by some of the sniping that goes on. Perhaps we could all > take a civility pill, and wash it down with a dose of skin thickener. > > It would certainly be worth having somebody very politely and tactfully > contact Gary and see what his present intentions are and what he would > have us do with any copies of his source code that we may already have > downloaded. Needless to say, it is up to us individually to choose > whether we comply with his wishes on this point or not. > > On the positive side, there are already other CoCo-related chunks of > Verilog/VHDL out there. The CPU core Gary used with his design was > written by John Kent, and is quite definitely licensed under the GPL. > It has been criticized as amateurish, and isn't cycle-accurate (neither > is the 6309 running in native mode), but can apparently be clocked to at > least 12 MHz, and most importantly of all, it exists, it works, and it > is actually available under an Open Source license. I'd rather have a > sucky, amateurish, functional, and available CPU core that can't be > yanked away on a whim than nothing at all. If it's bad, make it > better. If nothing else, it can serve as a stand-in processor until > somebody comes up with a better one. Good commercial software is a fine > thing, but I'll take bad Open Source over proprietary vaporware any day. > > In addition to John Kent's 6809, I believe that Mark McDougall has done > quite a bit of work on an FPGA CoCo 1/2, and James Daggett has been > working on a GIME replacement. So even if Gary Becker's code becomes > lost for the purposes of collaboration (which we don't definitively know > yet), there is other work that could be brought together, if the > respective authors are willing to share. > > I think that part of the problem the CoCo community has in finishing up > projects is that they all tend to stay one-man-shows. I'll admit that > in my weaker moments I still have ludicrous fantasies about starting > something big with a project that begins in the basement in my spare > time. (Spare time? That's the biggest joke of it all!) The mythology > of Gates, Wozniak, and Jobs looms large in the imaginations of us all, > so it's hard to give up the notion that our hobby could become our > livelihood, or at least could pay for itself. It's difficult to give up > control of an idea and let a bunch of other people get in there and > monkey around with it. But the more we focus on how much time we are > spending working on our babies, and how little others appreciate our > efforts, the more bitter, angry, and depressed we become. This is no > fundamentalist free software screed, and it is not an attempt to tell > anybody else what to do with their projects, nor is it a criticism in > any way of those who put in monumental efforts and ask for payment for > their work. I have great respect for Boisy Pitre, Mark Marlette, Roger > Taylor, and anybody else who makes and sells a product for the CoCo. > > But people keep on stressing that this is a hobby, and that 15-25 year > old publications for an obsolete computer will never again have enough > monetary value to be worth suing over, et cetera. Previous discussions > of FPGA CoCos have become mired in speculation about the difficulties of > turning such a thing into a commercial product. Fine. Forget it. > There will likely be no Next Generation CoCo that you can buy, already > assembled, in a box, from a single vendor. There are undoubtedly people > willing to buy peripheral devices, software, accessories, an so on, but > there probably isn't a market for a mass-produced, conventional product > on the scale of a whole CoCo-compatible computer. > > But why on earth do we have to limit our thinking to such grandiose > outcomes? Just because it'll never become a shrink-wrapped product, > produced by the boat loads in China, filling the shelves of your local > Wal-Ly World, played with for five hours, and then dumped in the > landfill, doesn't mean it's not a project worth doing. In fact, in my > mind, the rough and open nature of such a project makes it much more > interesting than some closed, polished box. One of the best features > of the CoCo was that it was a diamond in the rough. All those little > ads in the back of Rainbow Magazine were because the CoCo had so much > potential in the form of "room for improvement". I know my capabilities > are humble. But I just might be able to contribute something of worth, > however minimal, to a real, honest-to-goodness, collaborative Next-Gen > CoCo effort. The rougher and more open it is, the more chance there is > for me to contribute -- and that's what would motivate me to take part. > > Keep your expectations low and you'll be less likely to be > disappointed. Gary Becker built his FPGA CoCo on a ready-made FPGA > development board. It was somewhere in the $100-$200 range. We don't > need an assembled, tested, branded CoCo in a box. We need a freely > distributable, collaboration friendly, HDL CoCo core that individual > users can, if they can supply the necessary hardware and expertise, > build into their own custom FPGA CoCo-compatible system. Once that is > available, there will at least be the groundwork in place for a > community of developers to grow around it. There will be plenty of > opportunity to develop and market little kits that make it easier for > ordinary users to set one up for themselves, or add new functionality. > Keep the design modular and people can even sell commercial plug-in > replacements for the HDL components. > > You can put hours and hours of solitary effort into a thing, get mad, > quit, and have wasted a chunk of your life. End of story. Or you can > put hours and hours of effort in, slap a GPL (or Open Source license of > your choice) on it, put it out there, and open yourself up to the > possibility, however slight, that somebody else might just give > something back to you in the form of collaboration. Sure, you're taking > a chance that nobody cares, or has the time or expertise to do any more > with your baby than what you have done yourself. In that instance, > you're no worse off than if you had just picked up your marbles and gone > home. Better yet, you can make a real effort to get others to > contribute and collaborate. Sure, it may in the end amount to nothing. > But the chances of a project going somewhere are far better if you don't > insist on going it alone, and if others share a vested interest in > seeing their work realized as well. > > Let us take it for granted that, for the most part, the market for > CoCo-related items on the scale of entire computer systems is tiny and > sporadic at best. Let us simply assume that any such development must > either be the colossal effort of one entirely dedicated individual, who > is likely to be profoundly disappointed at the lack of a massive > groundswell of eager and wealthy buyers; or else an entirely > collaborative labor of love by the CoCo community to produce a successor > to the Color Computer line that is not tied to any particular hardware > implementation, or to the fortunes of any company or individual. The > rewards will likely not be monetary, though if such a project comes to > fruition, I do see opportunities for enterprising developers. Instead, > what one would get for participating in such a project would be the > enjoyment of collaboration, the expression of creativity, and the thrill > of the hack. > > Obviously if Gary's project had been licensed under the GPL, and if > Rainbow Magazine was re-released with a Creative Commons license, we > wouldn't have all this hand-wringing, sniping, flaming, accusation, > threatening, and whining. We could simply all get down to the business > of playing, working, and talking about the Color Computer and its > relatives, which is what I think we all really want to do on this list > anyway. Those things are what they are, and we may be able to do little > or nothing about them. But if we wanted to, we could take what we do > have and begin new projects that are collaborative and open from the outset. > > FWIW, IMHO, the views expressed here, bla, bla, bla... > JCE > >> >> >> Thanks a lot, >> >> >> >> Dave Gacke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From jcewy at swbell.net Sat Aug 16 14:31:42 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:31:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] [Color Computer Questions] In-Reply-To: <2F6A2E580DFB4F70A54991D2898F9D9C@GATOR> References: <2F6A2E580DFB4F70A54991D2898F9D9C@GATOR> Message-ID: <48A71D0E.2000000@swbell.net> chargeron wrote: > Does anyone have an estimate of how many Color Computers there are in use right now in the world? > 1000? > 4000? > Do landfills or has recycle places claimed more CoCos than exist today? > Is there an intelligent way to estimate how many might be enjoying the nostalgia? > Is the word "use" important? > Who knows? I suppose we could ask Dennis how many subscribers this list has. Undoubtedly there are people out there who have unsubscribed to the list in anger who still have their CoCo stuff. But it would likely give a rough estimate of a bare minimum number of people who at least still remember the CoCo. > Do you think there are more people enjoying the CoCo in emulation than actually firing up an actual CoCo??? > I have a large collection of coco stuff. > Is there anyone who knows how many people have hoarded like me? > lol > I still have every bit of CoCo stuff I ever got my hands on, and I can't imagine ever willingly giving it up, except maybe in trade for other CoCo stuff. > Is Ebay any indication of what volume there still is out there? > Sometimes I think there is only maybe 200 people who at any one time actually do care for these machines enough to do something about saving them or preserving all the history (time) we put in these things. > Maybe. But people drop in and out. Somebody comes up with a new game, designs a new peripheral, writes an article, or just asks an interesting question, and interest peaks, then ebbs away. Perhaps some new collaborative project can generate a new plateau of excitement, if people can get over all their hurt feelings and bruised egos. > I used my CoCos hard and long ... I have a ton of memories recalled as I go through all these floppies and read thoes lables. During the years we were using the Color Computer for our work and fun I always had the feeling we were on the cutting edge of technology....didn't you think so? > I think today when I use my pc there is no drive to innovate...like there used to be..because frankly...any program you can think of is usually out there waiting for you to download. > Where is the cutting edge now? > > I'm not sure if it was ever really cutting edge, but it had tremendous untapped potential. And the 'untapped' nature of it is what I think you are talking about. CoCo owners could see a product available for the Apple ][ or the Commodore 64 and ask why nobody has marketed one for the CoCo yet. And those computers were simple enough that amateur efforts could actually produce a successful product. This is what interests me so much when it comes to the prospect of a CoCo in an FPGA. There would be tremendous potential for amateurs to learn, and in doing so, contribute to the improvement of the platform -- in ways that were never possible on the original CoCos. Yet you could still have some of the charm and features that made the CoCo great, and that have been lost in the intervening years. I really miss being able to power a computer on and have it immediately ready to respond to my commands, and to switch it off whenever I feel like it, taking care only that my work is saved, but having no concern that in pulling the plug I will corrupt the filesystem. JCE > Remember voip? Calling someone for free on the computer...anywhere!! > that was cool then taken away for $$ > > 1080i? or 1080p Video? > palm / blackberry stuff? > or going backward and using the CoCo to keep the flame? > > > Sorry for the stupid questions..I am old > Ron Delvaux > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From sfischer1 at mindspring.com Sat Aug 16 14:52:36 2008 From: sfischer1 at mindspring.com (Stephen H. Fischer) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps the project could be rescued by a letter to Lonnie?s heirs with the following points, and others. 1. The project is almost done.! A statement from the person who has the materials would be necessary. That person must want the project to be completed. He must be the lead person perhaps. That others are willing to help. 2. A listing showing the strength of the CoCo community currently. a) List of Web pages dedicated to the CoCo. b) The mailing lists and their numbers of subscribers. The numbers of posts for the "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" for each of the last 12 months. How long we have been active. c) Statement that we wish the project to be completed. d) List of persons who are willing to speak for the community. Their web pages, E-Mail addresses phone numbers and so on. e) A statement that we wish to satisfy Lonnie's wishes as best we can. Stephen H. Fischer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Harwood" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: [Coco] Done When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that it was non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to have the same sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to negotiate it separately. The only reason I have not relinquished my agreement with Lonnie?s heirs was due to a fear that they would not re-negotiate a deal and that we would have at least a month to legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a ?cease and desist? type action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that I will no longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my hands of this entire process. This will be the last missive you will have to bear from me on this list ? I will be removing myself this evening and will no longer answer any queries in regards to this project. Regards, Michael Harwood -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 15:09:17 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:09:17 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] RE: Done Message-ID: If Lonnie's heirs have not replied by now I think you should leave them alone. The family may not have warm fuzzy feelings about Rainbow magazine. Just because it was one person's baby doesn't mean the rest of the family felt the same. They may just want to sell off Falsoft and be done with it. Let's face it, if you didn't want to deal with this how would you feel if a rabid bunch of CoCo fanatics kept badgering you? Original Message: --------------------------- Perhaps the project could be rescued by a letter to Lonnie?s heirs with the following points, and others. 1. The project is almost done.! A statement from the person who has the materials would be necessary. That person must want the project to be completed. He must be the lead person perhaps. That others are willing to help. 2. A listing showing the strength of the CoCo community currently. a) List of Web pages dedicated to the CoCo. b) The mailing lists and their numbers of subscribers. The numbers of posts for the "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" for each of the last 12 months. How long we have been active. c) Statement that we wish the project to be completed. d) List of persons who are willing to speak for the community. Their web pages, E-Mail addresses phone numbers and so on. e) A statement that we wish to satisfy Lonnie's wishes as best we can. Stephen H. Fischer From paulej at arid.us Sat Aug 16 15:23:32 2008 From: paulej at arid.us (Paul E. Jones) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:23:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <48A6AD3A.21869.6E5D7A@jdaggett.gate.net> References: , <48A6AD3A.21869.6E5D7A@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: <000901c8ffd5$920fe010$b62fa030$@us> James, With all of this discussion, I might have missed the "why" here, but why would Michael be sued if he had a legal agreement in place to do what he set out to do? He did say the agreement survived Lonnie's death, too. What am I missing? Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of jdaggett at gate.net > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:35 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Done > > On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:49, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > > > Absolutely pathetic. > > > > Regards, > > Boisy G. Pitre > > Do you have deep enough pockets to take on any potential lawsuit? > > Even if the probablility is one in a million, could you afford a law > suit in the > future years? > > That is the potential that Micheal faces. Yes the possibility of a law > suit is > very very slim. If you have never been sued before, legal costs can > mount > up is a hurry. A few letters, ,research into copyright law and filing a > court > date can quickly add up to over $10,000. > > > just my opinion > > james > > -- > > Email: boisy at boisypitre.com > > Web: http://www.boisypitre.com > > > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Michael Harwood wrote: > > > > > When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that > it > > > was non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to > > > have the same sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to > > > negotiate it separately. The only reason I have not relinquished > my > > > agreement with Lonnie?s heirs was due to a fear that they would > not > > > re-negotiate a deal and that we would have at least a month to > > > legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a "cease and desist" type > > > action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that I will no > > > longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my > > > cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my > > > hands of this entire process. This will be the last missive you > > > will have to bear from me on this list - I will be removing myself > > > this evening and will no longer answer any queries in regards to > > > this project. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Michael Harwood > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: > > 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From blackwolfe at charter.net Sat Aug 16 15:35:21 2008 From: blackwolfe at charter.net (Black Wolfe) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] RE: Done References: Message-ID: In all probability, probate has not settled the estate and the heirs are unable to legaly respond to any estate issues. Patience in reputed to be a virtue. Bruce C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Diffendaffer" Let's face it, if you didn't want to deal with this how would you feel if a rabid bunch of CoCo fanatics kept badgering you? Original Message: --------------------------- Perhaps the project could be rescued by a letter to Lonnie?s heirs with the following points, and others. From random_rodder at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 15:40:47 2008 From: random_rodder at yahoo.com (random_rodder at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] RE: Done In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57823.11864.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Well, I'm pretty silent on here trying to watch an learn. Had several coco's and still have a few including a repack project I started two years ago. I've learned a ton on this list and hope I continue to. However, I thought that the RoDVD project was a good idea in theory and I hope it or another project is completed. One thing that I hated to see was that fire retardant clothing seemed necessary just to read the replies; I will not contribute to that (hopefully). There was a similar, albiet very short lived, discussion on the CoCoHut blog a little while ago re: copyrights and such. If you like, you can buzz over there and take a look as I do not care to retype it on a Blackberry. What I with say is this: Reiterating a previous post; these are 15-25 (or so) year old magazines. Many of the people involved are unfortunately gone. I cannot even think of a company who advertised in them that is still around in its original form. Every other 8 bitter around has an electronic archive of some type (even the lowly Ti-99) that far exceeds what's availible for CoCo. Its high time that changed. I'm only 40 but not getting any younger, and I'm sure I've held up better than the paper these magazines were printed on!!! I'm all for everyone scanning what they have. That just makes since. I'm willing to do this, tho I've only got 6 or so. I'd also recommend getting this off the main list. We don't need this to deteriorate into a Hexstar-esqe type deal with ppl getting warnings and kicked off and such... Later, Brian James Diffendaffer wrote: > If Lonnie's heirs have not replied by now I think you should leave > them alone. The family may not have warm fuzzy feelings about Rainbow > magazine. Just because it was one person's baby doesn't mean the rest > of the family felt the same. > They may just want to sell off Falsoft and be done with it. > Let's face it, if you didn't want to deal with this how would you feel > if a rabid bunch of CoCo fanatics kept badgering you? > Original Message: > ------------ --------- ------ > Perhaps the project could be rescued by a letter to Lonnie?s heirs > with the > following points, and others. > 1. The project is almost done.! > A statement from the person who has the materials would be necessary. That > person must want the project to be completed. He must be the lead person > perhaps. > That others are willing to help. > 2. A listing showing the strength of the CoCo community currently. > a) List of Web pages dedicated to the CoCo. > b) The mailing lists and their numbers of subscribers. The numbers of > posts for the "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" for each of > the last > 12 months. How long we have been active. > c) Statement that we wish the project to be completed. > d) List of persons who are willing to speak for the community. Their web > pages, E-Mail addresses phone numbers and so on. > e) A statement that we wish to satisfy Lonnie's wishes as best we can. > Stephen H. Fischer > From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Aug 16 15:46:22 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:46:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <000901c8ffd5$920fe010$b62fa030$@us> Message-ID: <20080816154622.JY7EB.77410.imail@fed1rmwml40> Great point! Also, as someone new here, 2-3 days, Just what is the time frame of the coco on disk project? IE, when did it start, when did Lonnie die, etc. What needs to be done to complete it? Are scans done? is Cd image created? Issues missing? Just what is the hold up? Need help? What's needed to get it done? ---- "Paul E. Jones" wrote: James, With all of this discussion, I might have missed the "why" here, but why would Michael be sued if he had a legal agreement in place to do what he set out to do? He did say the agreement survived Lonnie's death, too. What am I missing? Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of jdaggett at gate.net > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:35 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Done > > On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:49, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > > > Absolutely pathetic. > > > > Regards, > > Boisy G. Pitre > > Do you have deep enough pockets to take on any potential lawsuit? > > Even if the probablility is one in a million, could you afford a law > suit in the > future years? > > That is the potential that Micheal faces. Yes the possibility of a law > suit is > very very slim. If you have never been sued before, legal costs can > mount > up is a hurry. A few letters, ,research into copyright law and filing a > court > date can quickly add up to over $10,000. > > > just my opinion > > james > > -- > > Email: boisy at boisypitre.com > > Web: http://www.boisypitre.com > > > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Michael Harwood wrote: > > > > > When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that > it > > > was non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to > > > have the same sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to > > > negotiate it separately. The only reason I have not relinquished > my > > > agreement with Lonnie?s heirs was due to a fear that they would > not > > > re-negotiate a deal and that we would have at least a month to > > > legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a "cease and desist" type > > > action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that I will no > > > longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my > > > cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my > > > hands of this entire process. This will be the last missive you > > > will have to bear from me on this list - I will be removing myself > > > this evening and will no longer answer any queries in regards to > > > this project. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Michael Harwood > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: > > 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From kevdig at hypersurf.com Sat Aug 16 15:54:20 2008 From: kevdig at hypersurf.com (Kevin Diggs) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20080816045004.02ed8f50@cloud9tech.com> References: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20080816045004.02ed8f50@cloud9tech.com> Message-ID: <48A7306C.60500@hypersurf.com> Mark Marlette wrote: > Kevin, > > This will be my only response to this. Not mad either. > > I have followed through on my projects all though it has taken way > longer than I or anyone else would say to complete. > > Some look for reasons to not complete, I spend my time doing. > > I am not quitting, I will finish the SuperBoard project. > > Regards, > > Mark > Hey!!! ... Wait a minute! ... What time is it there? What are you still doin up young man (or why are you up so early?)? Goin fishin? Early mornin bike ride with the team leader? kevin P.S.: I know it will get done. I stated as much. From boisy at boisypitre.com Sat Aug 16 16:01:51 2008 From: boisy at boisypitre.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:01:51 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <48A6BC2C.17817.A8BF09@jdaggett.gate.net> References: , <48A6B133.26276.7DE455@jdaggett.gate.net>, <592C33D0-B129-47A1-9523-040A0E183A29@boisypitre.com> <48A6BC2C.17817.A8BF09@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: On Aug 16, 2008, at 10:38 AM, jdaggett at gate.net wrote: > Boisey > > you are entitled to your friggin opinions and if your intentions are > to chase > off the members of this group then your are doing very good job at it. > > If you want to be the genreal that dictates what the community wants > and > prioritize what is to be developed then have at it. Otherwise keep > your > friggin mouth shut and go off and play with rosy palm. The shoe fits, doesn't it? I'll pass on your masturbation suggestion. I have too much work to do. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 16:28:52 2008 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Copyrights & patents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <144057.32484.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sadly, Corporations have skewered the Copyright and Patent laws in their favor. The true intentions was to let the holder make his money exclusively for a time, and then, it was to be ok for "generics" to come along, in regards to patents, but now, a company can renew the patent indefinately, even way beyond the point of where it becomes obsolete. Most software companies, and those who buy the old software from others, have only one thing on their mind, keep the patents and copyrights renewed in the name of making money, or? FEAR that someone may be able to unravel their newer tech based on the old (double meaning intended). Now, take SCO, remember them? Their Big Idea (MS funding conspiracy theory aside) was to scare people into buying licences for Linux from them because of "Copyrighted IP Infringement" allegedly in Linux from Unix code. ? What it boils down to is: even if a company will never make even a penny off of it, again or from the beginning), they may see a "value" that might not exist, or too expensive to capitalize on. Whether it be that they can apply low and underhanded pressure to licence something that isnt really theirs (and then claim they *thought* they had the rights to enforce), fear that old obsolete tech will unravel the new tech (thus valuable to keep it locked up in the dungeon until the world ends), or just plain "You want it? Sorry, It's mine, and nobody else can have it" greed. ? We're Stuck with it, unless we vote government reps in that aren't corrupted and those who are, out. ? -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 17:32:08 2008 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Falsoft, INCORPORATED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <733962.61343.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, Let's think a sec. Lonnie Falk ran Falsoft.... Falsoft was incorporated, was it not? Rainbow bore the copyright belonging to FALSOFT,Inc. ? Lonnie may have been the brains behind The Rainbow, and FALSOFT, Inc. AS it was incorportated, it is it's own entity. ? cor?po?ra?tion ?k?rp??re???n/ [kawr-puh-rey-shuhn] ?noun 1. an association of individuals, created by law or under authority of law, having a continuous existence independent of the existences of its members, and powers and liabilities distinct from those of its members. "Corporation." Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 16 Aug. 2008. . Hmmm, Falsoft, as a Corporation (i.e. Incorporated), would live on without Lonnie. Now, if upon his death, NOBODY took over for him, AND the the company dissolved, without transferring it's rights to any of it's assets, including The Rainbow Magazine... The Legal question is what happens to the copyrights? ? Guess we need to find out if Falsoft, as a corporation lives in any way, shape, or form as a legal entitiy, and what assets were transfered from Falsoft to another party, (in regards to The Rainbow in particular). ? If Falsoft is a legal entity no more, WHO has those rights? We presume Lonnie's estate. IF Falsoft lives on as a legal entity, we need to deal directly with Falsoft, not Lonnie's estate regarding The Rainbow. But, were?the Falsoft assets?transfered to his estate legally? (i.e. Coporate sale/transfer), or were they left with the company? What happens to the assets of a company that is dissolved, yet did not transfer ownership of assets? ? Im not a lawyer, just a business man who has a fondness for his first "real" computer, and would *love* to have his old hardware again. (I lost it when my Ex got rid of our storage, and I had no other place to store it...wish I had now.) -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:11:26 -0400 From: "Paul E. Jones" Subject: Re: [Coco] Old Coco Media To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" Message-ID: <00f101c8ff3d$017e6e10$047b4a30$@us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ron, et al, I believe that a few folks on this list would pay. But, I believe there are only two reasons why they would do it: 1) To lend a hand to the cost, time, and trouble of the person who did the work -- a reward, more or less, that is still likely to be less than the real sweat put into it 2) "For memory sake" I agree that there is really no "value" in terms on money. And, as each year passes, even the "thanks for your hard effort" potential will diminish. What we ought to do is determine who, if anybody, owns the copyright. What happened to Falsoft? If it just closed and no entity acquired its assets, then there is no copyright holder. (That could complicate things if, as somebody suggested, Falsoft did not own the rights. What I contributed belonged to Falsoft.) I tried to contact Ms. Falk not too long ago, but just got an answering machine and no return call. I think trying to find Falsoft's successor is the only solution. The only other solution is to just make the (likely reasonable) assumption that it's all in the public domain and see what happens. Heck, what would the damages be for things of no value and upon which we had reason to believe were in the public domain? Is there anybody in or around Prospect, KY who can go knock on a door? It can't be that hard to find out where things stand. Paul From mark at cloud9tech.com Sat Aug 16 17:37:29 2008 From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:37:29 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <48A7306C.60500@hypersurf.com> References: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20080816045004.02ed8f50@cloud9tech.com> <48A7306C.60500@hypersurf.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20080816163432.02f386d0@cloud9tech.com> Kevin, It was before 5AM, just another day..... :) Had a huge CoCo week, back crew seat of the truck loaded to the point I couldn't see out. Eight major orders over 90lbs of CoCo equipment went out. Had to get some 'chores'. Mark At 8/16/2008 02:54 PM, you wrote: >Mark Marlette wrote: >>Kevin, >>This will be my only response to this. Not mad either. >>I have followed through on my projects all though it has taken way >>longer than I or anyone else would say to complete. >>Some look for reasons to not complete, I spend my time doing. >>I am not quitting, I will finish the SuperBoard project. >>Regards, >>Mark >Hey!!! ... Wait a minute! ... What time is it there? What are you >still doin up young man (or why are you up so early?)? Goin fishin? >Early mornin bike ride with the team leader? > >kevin > >P.S.: I know it will get done. I stated as much. > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus >Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > From mark at cloud9tech.com Sat Aug 16 17:48:43 2008 From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:48:43 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <48A6B133.26276.7DE455@jdaggett.gate.net> References: <48A67E0C.4080807@hypersurf.com> <108C4EC1-100C-43FB-9373-1DF8EB41FAA5@boisypitre.com> <48A6B133.26276.7DE455@jdaggett.gate.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20080816163847.02ebc860@cloud9tech.com> james, As Boisy stated earlier. He does not set the pace for the SuperBoard. I do. The SuperBoard will finish. I won't quit, I will not turn my back on something that has taken me on such a wonderful ride. I don't talk about what I am doing, I do, not enough hours in a day. Mark Cloud-9 At 8/16/2008 09:51 AM, you wrote: >On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:36, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > > > Another poster mentioned that there are people on this list who don't > > have the experience/time/resources to write software or contribute. > > Those aren't the people I'm talking about. I'm talking about the > > comers and goers who have made big announcements and pronouncements of > > what they were going to do, only to peter out in the end. GCC for > > the CoCo, replacement GIME, ethernet... I could go on and on. > >I can answer your GIME replacement point. > >it si still ongoing with lower priorities since there is already a >device that can convert the >Coco RGB to VGA monitors. A much simpler approach that does not >require potential >soldering skills from the end user. That was the main driving point >behind that FPGA GIME >chip. Beisdes I took on the idea to learn VHDL and FPGA programming. >If the community >still wants one then I can easily finish. Still the comm unity has a >lot of wishes but clear cut >idea of what is needed first and what to prioritize. Until that >occurs, I do nothing. > >Besides I have only been working on that for about three years. The >superboard has been in >development for over 6 yrs. Is is shipping yet? I am not doing my >work for profit or gain. I >only offer my services to the community. If not wanted then no hard >feelings. I continue on >with my hobby development for my personal needs. > >For the Coco4, most seemed happy with it being an emmulated >software driven idea. I am >a hardware engineer and my expertise in progamming software for >Linux and Windoze is >not even beginers level. If hardware is needed I can offer my >services to anyone. But >todevelope hardware one needs a clear and decisive path to follow. > >if all these appear to be excuses to y our then so be it. But my >time is pecious to me and I >will work on my needs first unless there is commonality in my >personal needs and the Coco >community in general. > >james > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: >8/16/2008 7:11 AM From mark at cloud9tech.com Sat Aug 16 17:53:39 2008 From: mark at cloud9tech.com (Mark Marlette) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:53:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Done In-Reply-To: <000901c8ffd5$920fe010$b62fa030$@us> References: <48A6AD3A.21869.6E5D7A@jdaggett.gate.net> <000901c8ffd5$920fe010$b62fa030$@us> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20080816164913.02ec2bf8@cloud9tech.com> The estate never contacted him to tell him to stop. He was having problems finishing before Lonnie's death. He could have proceeded, passed the task off and then reviewed the work and did the final copulation. Instead we get the excuses. A lot of BS..... Doesn't add up at all. Mark Cloud-9 At 8/16/2008 02:23 PM, you wrote: >James, > >With all of this discussion, I might have missed the "why" here, but why >would Michael be sued if he had a legal agreement in place to do what he set >out to do? He did say the agreement survived Lonnie's death, too. What am >I missing? > >Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of jdaggett at gate.net > > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:35 AM > > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > > Subject: Re: [Coco] Done > > > > On 16 Aug 2008 at 7:49, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > > > > > Absolutely pathetic. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Boisy G. Pitre > > > > Do you have deep enough pockets to take on any potential lawsuit? > > > > Even if the probablility is one in a million, could you afford a law > > suit in the > > future years? > > > > That is the potential that Micheal faces. Yes the possibility of a law > > suit is > > very very slim. If you have never been sued before, legal costs can > > mount > > up is a hurry. A few letters, ,research into copyright law and filing a > > court > > date can quickly add up to over $10,000. > > > > > > just my opinion > > > > james > > > -- > > > Email: boisy at boisypitre.com > > > Web: http://www.boisypitre.com > > > > > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Michael Harwood wrote: > > > > > > > When I made my agreement with Lonnie it was expressly stated that > > it > > > > was non-transferable. This is to say that anyone who wished to > > > > have the same sort of deal if I decided to quit would have to > > > > negotiate it separately. The only reason I have not relinquished > > my > > > > agreement with Lonnie?s heirs was due to a fear that they would > > not > > > > re-negotiate a deal and that we would have at least a month to > > > > legally sell the DVD?s in the case of a "cease and desist" type > > > > action. After the recent firestorm I have decided that I will no > > > > longer participate in this process at all. I plan to send my > > > > cancellation to the estate with a registered letter and wash my > > > > hands of this entire process. This will be the last missive you > > > > will have to bear from me on this list - I will be removing myself > > > > this evening and will no longer answer any queries in regards to > > > > this project. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael Harwood > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Coco mailing list > > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Coco mailing list > > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 >- Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 18:22:02 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Pathetic In-Reply-To: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> Message-ID: <695786.11539.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't you represent the company Cloud-9? I seem to remember getting an e-mail from you for a price quote recently. I also have purchased the 512K Memory upgrade from Cloud-9 in the past.To be honest if this is how you talk to your customer base I am not sure I really want to do business with your company again. If I have the wrong person I apologize but if you are in fact a vendor and people on this e-mail list are your customers then even though someone has made you angry you need to remember that the people on here do buy from your company and need to be treated with due respect. If you have a problem with specific people I would suggest that you take it to a private e-mail because at least in this instance I am a customer who is now holding off on a purchase because of the way you treat people here. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: From: Boisy G. Pitre Subject: [Coco] Pathetic To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:14 PM I'm fully prepared to take the heat for what I am about to say, because (a) it's the truth, and (b) it's been a long time coming. The discussion over the past few days underscores what I think is the biggest problem that the CoCo community has: a failure to follow through and complete. Ask yourself this question: how many times have people announced hardware or software project initiatives on this list? Now, compare the answer with how many of these initiatives actually were seen to completion? Percentage wise, I would say that < 10% of projects that are talked about on this list actually get started, and out of those, maybe 10% actually are finished. That's pretty dismal. There's a copious amount of hot air on this list, along with a host of big talkers, pontificators, and experts who don't do a damn thing except dispense their advice and tell everyone else how things should be done. You self righteous demi-gods need to get off your proverbial derrieres and finish what you started, or find another group of enthusiasts to annoy with your whining and excuses. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Sat Aug 16 18:32:19 2008 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Close subject, please Message-ID: <200808162232.m7GMWSLX032636@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Hi all, Some nasty business along with the sincere business. We've had a spate of unsubscribes, and that means it's now gone over the line. Please close the "Done" and "Pathetic" topics. One warning only. We can revisit this in a few weeks. Thanks, Your wholesome list manager Buy my new book! "We Are All Mozart" From jimhrubik at earthlink.net Sat Aug 16 18:53:00 2008 From: jimhrubik at earthlink.net (James Hrubik) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Coco] oops Message-ID: I really do think Mark intended to write "compilation". +||||||||||###########################|||||||||||+ +|||||| HRUBIK APPRAISAL SERVICES |||||||+ +|||||| James C. Hrubik, Sr., RAA |||||||+ +|||||| Appraisal & Appraisal Review |||||||+ +|||||| Consulting & Litigation Support |||||||+ +|||||| V/F-(330)745-8435 |||||||+ +|||||| C-(330)472-3023 |||||||+ +|||||| jimhrubik at earthlink.net |||||||+ +|||||| http://www.hrubikappraisal.com |||||||+ +||||||||||###########################|||||||||||+ From boisy at boisypitre.com Sat Aug 16 20:19:19 2008 From: boisy at boisypitre.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:19:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Pathetic In-Reply-To: <695786.11539.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <695786.11539.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15ACD141-C58B-460A-A570-DD11077918A7@boisypitre.com> Since Dennis has requested this thread closed, I'll end by saying this: none of the people who responded negatively to my initial post have ever bought anything from Cloud-9. Our customers are some of the most loyal and enthusiastic CoCo users around, and we appreciate them very much. It's your decision as to whether or not you'll buy our products, but I can guarantee you one thing: I'll talk straight and shoot straight with you or anybody else on this list, and won't mess around with your expectations. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com On Aug 16, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Derek wrote: > Don't you represent the company Cloud-9? I seem to remember getting > an e-mail from you for a price quote recently. I also have purchased > the 512K Memory upgrade from Cloud-9 in the past.To be honest if > this is how you talk to your customer base I am not sure I really > want to do business with your company again. If I have the wrong > person I apologize but if you are in fact a vendor and people on > this e-mail list are your customers then even though someone has > made you angry you need to remember that the people on here do buy > from your company and need to be treated with due respect. If you > have a problem with specific people I would suggest that you take it > to a private e-mail because at least in this instance I am a > customer who is now holding off on a purchase because of the way you > treat people here. > > > > > > ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > From: Boisy G. Pitre > Subject: [Coco] Pathetic > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:14 PM > > I'm fully prepared to take the heat for what I am about to say, > because (a) it's the truth, and (b) it's been a long time coming. > > The discussion over the past few days underscores what I think is the > biggest problem that the CoCo community has: a failure to follow > through and complete. > > Ask yourself this question: how many times have people announced > hardware or software project initiatives on this list? Now, compare > the answer with how many of these initiatives actually were seen to > completion? Percentage wise, I would say that < 10% of projects that > are talked about on this list actually get started, and out of those, > maybe 10% actually are finished. That's pretty dismal. > > There's a copious amount of hot air on this list, along with a host of > big talkers, pontificators, and experts who don't do a damn thing > except dispense their advice and tell everyone else how things should > be done. You self righteous demi-gods need to get off your proverbial > derrieres and finish what you started, or find another group of > enthusiasts to annoy with your whining and excuses. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Email: boisy at boisypitre.com > Web: http://www.boisypitre.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From msmcdoug at iinet.net.au Sat Aug 16 20:19:50 2008 From: msmcdoug at iinet.net.au (Mark McDougall) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:19:50 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Pathetic In-Reply-To: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> Message-ID: <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > I'm fully prepared to take the heat for what I am about to say, because > (a) it's the truth, and (b) it's been a long time coming. > There's a copious amount of hot air on this list, along with a host of > big talkers, pontificators, and experts who don't do a damn thing except > dispense their advice and tell everyone else how things should be done. I'm really quite shocked and more than a little disappointed with your attitude, given your standing in the Coco community. I suspect that it has a lot to do with the fact that for a long time now you have a business selling Coco hardware and software and that has clouded (no pun intended) your perspective on things. To 99% of us, this is a _hobby_. It's something we do in our _spare_ time because we _enjoy_ doing it. It's something that we _only_ get to do when the rest of our life doesn't interfere, and when the _mood_ strikes us. "The whippings shall continue until morale improves!" Like any other passion, hobby or interest, we are prone to get a little over-enthusiastic at times. We get an idea in our head and it excites us for a time. Often they're not fully thought out, but we have grand plans for our pet project. Then reality hits. We don't have time. We discover it's harder than we thought. We discover that it's not quite as interesting as we thought. Or we discover something _else_ that takes our fancy at that moment. So sue us! With outbursts like this, you're seriously in danger of biting the hands that feed you (evidenced by one post already). Not mention the fact that you could even be accused of being somewhat hypocritical - I mean what's the deal with this so-called "SuperBoard" or whatever it is that I've been hearing about for the last few years? FWIW I subscribe to no less than 17 retro-related mailing lists, not to mention the usenet newsgroups and web-based forums that I frequent. I can tell you, the Coco community isn't exactly the largest, so if I was in your shoes I wouldn't be alienating anyone. And I really can't understand why you let such events get up your nose? How does anyone blowing hot air affect you? And exactly where is this "host of ... pontificators" you talk of? Chill a little. Regards, -- | Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it | | with less resistance!" From rbihler at msn.com Sat Aug 16 21:00:04 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:00:04 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Ok, So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's of passon and opionons make it very interesting. So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced and only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of my interest is in what happened to RiBBS, sorry to hear Warren Hrach has passed as he was such a big help to me. The best testing I even had. Funny I can still here the Phone calls, Ron ! you know that last update ! Not so good ! and then he would detail what was wrong. He didn't have programming backround, but he was the best with the details. I had passed all the code to a person in Canada for an MM1 port, all these details are lost. I did look at the coco about 8 years back, and the HD was dead and many of the floppies I used had so many errors that they would not work. All my work was lost - in more way than one. Anyway, how long did the MM1 continue? Does anyone have RiBBS code, might try to see it again on Emulation? Most of the information was on Compuserve - how things have changed. Can anyone recall the person involved with the MM1 doing the port - not sure if it even was finished. He was located in Canada. How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under emulation? Anyway I am a bit older, might be smarter, but have way less time :) Too bad the Hero 2000 was not a 6809 as that would make it more fun :) Ron Bihler From lamune at doki-doki.net Sat Aug 16 21:07:39 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:07:39 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Would the last person to leave the list please turn off the lights? Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6C8@fenestra.lamunet.local> Seriously, in plain terms, WTF just went on here? Let's just take a step back, a few breaths, and take another look. First point: Rainbow magazines. What are they worth? I'm not sure what the recycle place is giving for scrap paper by the pound, but quite frankly to everyone in the world except a small handful that's about all they are worth. Possibly for the caloric content if used in a fireplace as well, but I don't recommend burning that sort of paper. Certainly not worth the arguments that have ensued in my opinion. Since Harwood has apparently left the list and run up to his room without dinner, I think that cements my opinion that whatever agreement he had in place, if it existed at all, was really botched from the get-go, though I think in his defense that when he talked about "reporting to Lonnie" it was to report his progress, not to "rat out" people who were scanning & copying magazines, etc. The terms of the agreement, as they were relayed, made no sense to me, which was the main reason I wanted to see it myself. Particularly the "I need to scan it myself" portion- why would Lonnie care where the content came from? If everyone pitched in and scanned some magazines and sent them in for processing, the whole thing would have taken far less time... Oh well, I should just drop it at this point. If he really has abandoned the project and all the work that had already gone into is, so be it. Some people live for drama I suppose. Again, if anyone wants space to host archives of this content, I'm offering. I really think Lonnie was the only one who cared about it anyway, and he's been gone since 2006. From jcewy at swbell.net Sat Aug 16 22:34:14 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:34:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <48A78E26.20300@swbell.net> Ron Bihler wrote: > Ok, > So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some > research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's > of passon and opionons make it very interesting. > That's one way to look at it! :) > So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced and > only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of my > interest is in what happened to RiBBS, sorry to hear Warren Hrach has > passed as he was such a big help to me. The best testing I even had. > Funny I can still here the Phone calls, Ron ! you know that last > update ! Not so good ! and then he would detail what was wrong. He > didn't have programming backround, but he was the best with the details. > > I had passed all the code to a person in Canada for an MM1 port, all > these details are lost. I did look at the coco about 8 years back, > and the HD was dead and many of the floppies I used had so many errors > that they would not work. All my work was lost - in more way than one. > > Anyway, how long did the MM1 continue? I assembled some memory and I/O boards for the MM/1 under contract from its second owner, Blackhawk Enterprises. This was in the time period of 1995-1999. '97-2000 I was living in Elkhart, IN. and I got to go to a couple of the ":Last Annual CoCo Fests" in Chicago. There were problems with the Version 2 I/O board, which means we didn't sell many of those. I put together maybe 6-10 memory boards during that period though. I still have bare memory boards, I/O boards (there may actually have been a fix for the SCSI problem right at the end there), and parts to build a few more if there was any need. At one of those CoCo Fests, probably 1999 or 2000, I met David Graham of Blackhawk Enterprises in person for the first time, and I haven't seen or heard from him since. I still have my MM/1, and it works, as of a couple months ago. I did a little programming on it, mostly modifications of Andrzej Kotanski's JPEG viewer program. I added Joel Hegberg's clipboard library to it, and wrote a program that would save an image from the clipboard as an IFF. So you could decode a JPEG, copy it into the clipboard, and then save it as a much faster-loading CLUT IFF file. I think I lost my source code for the modifications I did to the JPEG viewer, but there wasn't much to that. I think I recently found my SAVEIFF code. I had even forgotten that I wrote it until I looked at the source file. Duh. That's what 10 years will do to you. > Does anyone have RiBBS code, might try to see it again on Emulation? > Most of the information was on Compuserve - how things have changed. Did it ever get posted on ftp.rtsi.com? That's still around. > Can anyone recall the person involved with the MM1 doing the port - > not sure if it even was finished. He was located in Canada. > How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under > emulation? > 6809 (Nitr)OS-9 works great on a CoCo emulator. To the best of my knowledge, there is no emulator that will run OS-9/68K. I tried to boot Personal OS-9 for the Atari ST on several different Atari emulators, but no joy. Even ARANYM, which runs Debian-m68K won't boot it. Bob Devries (I think) says that Atari OS-9 actually makes use of the Atari ROM code, which one would think would insulate it further from the underlying hardware and make it even less machine-dependent. Maybe I'm just not using the proper ROM images. Somebody has made a CD-i emulator for MS-Windows, but it only runs some of the games (last time I tried it) and is cripple-ware. > Anyway I am a bit older, might be smarter, but have way less time :) > Sounds all too familiar. > Too bad the Hero 2000 was not a 6809 as that would make it more fun :) > The Hero, or the 6809? JCE > Ron Bihler > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From boisy at boisypitre.com Sat Aug 16 22:39:25 2008 From: boisy at boisypitre.com (Boisy G. Pitre) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:39:25 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Clarifying my relationship with Cloud-9 and the SuperBoard Message-ID: Given the recent discussion and comments, I would like to clarify my relationship with Cloud-9 and the SuperBoard project. I did not discuss this message with Mark Marlette, so he has had no influence on its content. For those of you who don't know, Mark Marlette is the sole proprietor and owner of Cloud-9. I own no interest in the company itself whatsoever. I do sell my software exclusively through Cloud-9, and do have interest in the software side of some of the hardware products that Mark has created. The terms of those agreements are, and will remain, confidential, but suffice it to say that Mark and I have worked well together over the years, and have great mutual respect for each other's abilities. We talk every week (sometimes every day) and are constantly in communication with customers to answer questions and fulfill orders. Believe it or not, Mark and I have had our disagreements over the years, some quite heated. Yet in all of that, we value our friendship and work relationship, and always find a way to get beyond disagreements. One of the more recent discussions has been about the SuperBoard. I will not get into the details of our discourse, but be assured that we have had different ideas on what to do about this product and where it should go, or even if it should be cancelled. Mark's position is that he will persevere and finish the product. I have continued to supported him, even going as far as developing drivers and software for hardware that is spec'd out, but doesn't exist just yet. Mark has a proven track record of completing projects and delivering quality products to market; based upon that reputation, I believe he will deliver the SuperBoard. For those of you who think I am a jerk or an ass for telling it like it is, then by all means, you can refrain from buying my software products. But don't punish Mark or Cloud-9 by extension. Regards, Boisy G. Pitre -- Email: boisy at boisypitre.com Web: http://www.boisypitre.com From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 16 22:49:06 2008 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:49:06 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <48A791A2.7080002@embarqmail.com> Ron Bihler wrote: > Ok, > So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some > research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's > of passon and opionons make it very interesting. > > So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced and > only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of my > interest is in what happened to RiBBS, John Donaldson was doing some updating and porting of RIBBS to the MM1. He decided to leave his job here in Houston and move to West Viginia. When he did I bought all his Coco OS9 stuff. Shortly after the Penn Fest I sold everything I had at the Chicago Fest. Do not remember who bought it. Maybe someone in this group does. It was on 5 1/4 inch floppies and the MM1 hard drive. Boisy was it you who bought the computer that John had built from a Paul Ward kit? To keep this update going, Kevin Pease designed a MM1 for Keisler (thats not right, guy who wrote 'ar' the compression thingy) Electronics. Several people sold it. Bill Whitman, for one. Later David Black took over marketing it. John is in the Dallas area now. I get e-mails from him several times a week. Do not know if he is still subscribed to this list, maybe Dennis can look at the file and say yes or no. Regards, Dave From charles.shrader at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 22:50:51 2008 From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:50:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Assembler Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c90014$11201170$800101df@CHUCK03> Hi all! I thought I'd break into something other than the recent copyright discussion and ask for some help with an odd Assembler language question. I'm using EDTASM++.BIN. I've written a very simple program that clears the screen, then waits for the user to type in eight characters. Once eight characters have been typed in, the program outputs to the screen a space, then outputs a repeat of the string. Very simple. When I assemble and run this in the Z-Debugger, it runs fine, although the RTS at the end of the code causes unusual results. But I can see before the system goes hay-wire that on the top line, my entry is repeated: ABCDEFGH ABCDEFGH. This runs fine also if I change the RTS line to a line that just brances to itself over and over. This keeps the system from going nuts. Now if I compile the program to disk and execute the .BIN file, my output is: ABCDEFGH BCDEFGH (Where did the first A go in the echoed second string??) I'm totally perplexed as to why this is happening. It's like my x index is not pointing to the correct start byte of STMP. (See below) I'll include the code below; perhaps someone here more knowledgeable than I may be able to figure out what's going on. I'm doing this in the David Keil emulator for the Coco3 with 128K RAM: 00100 ORG $3F00 ;Start location of code 00110 START JSR 43304 ;Clear Screen 00120 LDB #0 ;Initialize register B 00130 LDA #0 ;Initialize Accumulator 00135 STA DEVNUM ;Output to screen 00140 LDX STMP ;Load start address of storage location STMP 00150 LOOP JSR $A1C1 ;Poll for keypress 00160 CMPA #0 ;Compare vs 0. If 0, no key was pressed. 00170 BEQ LOOP ;No keypress so keep polling 00180 STA ,X+ ;Store keypress in STMP and move byte pointer 00190 JSR [40962] ;Output keypress to screen 00192 INCB ;Increment counter 00194 CMPB #8 ;See if 8 keys have been pressed 00200 BNE LOOP ;Keep polling until 8 keys have been pressed 00210 LDX STMP ;Point to start of STMP so we can echo output 00220 LDA #32 ;Load A with ASCII code for 'Space' 00230 JSR [40962] ;Output character to screen 00240 LOOP2 LDA ,X ;Load A with first character of stored string 00250 JSR [40962] ;Output to screen 00260 CMPX #8 ;Have we displayed all 8 characters? 00270 BNE LOOP2 ;If not, get next character in string 00280 RTS ;Return to caller 00290 STMP RMB $09 ;Define storage area STMP 00300 DEVNUM EQU $6F ;Location where output is designated 00310 END START Thanks for any help, Chuck From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Sat Aug 16 22:56:27 2008 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:56:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: <48A791A2.7080002@embarqmail.com> References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A791A2.7080002@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <200808170256.m7H2uZLX020658@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> At 10:49 PM 8/16/2008, you wrote: >John is in the Dallas area now. I get e-mails from him several times >a week. Do not know if he is still subscribed to this list, maybe >Dennis can look at the file and say yes or no. He is still subscribed, and last posted in March. Dennis Buy my new book! "We Are All Mozart" From jimcox at miba51.com Sun Aug 17 00:41:45 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Laid off - Well at least maybe now I will have time for the CoCo :) Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808162141x1bc91f11w52ad2d8d4611c922@mail.gmail.com> Yeppers! I was part of a "restructuring" that occurred last Wednesday. It also looks like a sci-fi blog I have been buried in will be closed down too, so I will be able spend more time sorting through all the CoCo stuff I have acquired over the years, and give what I don't need to the community. I definitely will be getting back with the CoCo, in part because I need to get my geek-wind back. I am looking at making a career change. I have an interest in web development, and I believe I can combine that with my experience working with embedded systems into something where I am testing and/or developing interfaces for embedded systems. Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I think it's a good one. If any of you are interested, take a look at my blog when you have a second. Cheers, -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 17 00:49:29 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:49:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Assembler Help In-Reply-To: <000001c90014$11201170$800101df@CHUCK03> References: <000001c90014$11201170$800101df@CHUCK03> Message-ID: <48A7ADD9.2050004@worldnet.att.net> Charles Shrader wrote: > Hi all! I thought I'd break into something other than the recent copyright > discussion and ask for some help with an odd Assembler language question. > > I'm using EDTASM++.BIN. I've written a very simple program that clears the > screen, then waits for the user to type in eight characters. Once eight > characters have been typed in, the program outputs to the screen a space, > then outputs a repeat of the string. Very simple. > > When I assemble and run this in the Z-Debugger, it runs fine, although the > RTS at the end of the code causes unusual results. But I can see before the > system goes hay-wire that on the top line, my entry is repeated: > > ABCDEFGH ABCDEFGH. > > This runs fine also if I change the RTS line to a line that just brances to > itself over and over. This keeps the system from going nuts. > > Now if I compile the program to disk and execute the .BIN file, my output > is: > > ABCDEFGH BCDEFGH > > (Where did the first A go in the echoed second string??) > > I'm totally perplexed as to why this is happening. It's like my x index is > not pointing to the correct start byte of STMP. (See below) > > I'll include the code below; perhaps someone here more knowledgeable than I > may be able to figure out what's going on. I'm doing this in the David Keil > emulator for the Coco3 with 128K RAM: > > 00100 ORG $3F00 ;Start location of code > 00110 START JSR 43304 ;Clear Screen > 00120 LDB #0 ;Initialize register B > 00130 LDA #0 ;Initialize Accumulator > 00135 STA DEVNUM ;Output to screen > 00140 LDX STMP ;Load start address of storage > location STMP > 00150 LOOP JSR $A1C1 ;Poll for keypress > 00160 CMPA #0 ;Compare vs 0. If 0, no key > was pressed. > 00170 BEQ LOOP ;No keypress so keep polling > 00180 STA ,X+ ;Store keypress in STMP and > move byte pointer > 00190 JSR [40962] ;Output keypress to screen > 00192 INCB ;Increment counter > 00194 CMPB #8 ;See if 8 keys have been > pressed > 00200 BNE LOOP ;Keep polling until 8 keys have > been pressed > 00210 LDX STMP ;Point to start of STMP so we > can echo output > 00220 LDA #32 ;Load A with ASCII code for > 'Space' > 00230 JSR [40962] ;Output character to screen > 00240 LOOP2 LDA ,X ;Load A with first character of > stored string > 00250 JSR [40962] ;Output to screen > 00260 CMPX #8 ;Have we displayed all 8 > characters? > 00270 BNE LOOP2 ;If not, get next character in > string > 00280 RTS ;Return to caller > 00290 STMP RMB $09 ;Define storage area STMP > 00300 DEVNUM EQU $6F ;Location where output is > designated > 00310 END START > > Thanks for any help, > > Chuck > There is some code that can be cleaned up but that is a matter of style. What I see wrong is in loop2. lda ,x should be lda ,x+ cmpx #8 should be cmpb #8 preceded by an incb regB should be cleared 231 clrb When I made these changes, the program worked for me under Basic. To get it to work in EDTASM the rts should be replaced with swi. You should also make sure the program does not assemble over and corrupt EDTASM. From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Sun Aug 17 01:26:18 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:26:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Progress Report Message-ID: <20080817.002618.1392.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Hello Coco Fans I Want to thank the coco Fest Vendors for the products they have brought to Chicago area. Mark and Boisy have provided me with almost all of their product line. The tech support is great. I also want to thank those that have made their digital magazines available. Bob Devires Thank you for the Files you sen me earlier this week. I sent them to my grandson so he can place them on 3.5 inch floppy. I will use the files to make digital files of the two Chromasette tapes and use Boisy program to transfer files from my 80486 system to the coco. Mark I think I will be mailing another MPI for upgrade and repair. I thoroughly enjoy this list because most of the time things are friendly and peaceable. Thanks to all you coco folks for your help you provide me. I don't get to play every day with the coco but things are headed in a positive direction I would be lost without the help and support you provide me John PS: one of my favorite chapters in the Christian bible is I Corinthians Chapter 13. ____________________________________________________________ Click to receive credit card help and get out of debt fast. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2DVE3TogYTCiqvRPiprFg9W8XLLexP44K9AIcY0vbsfiC1/ From rbihler at msn.com Sun Aug 17 02:05:27 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:05:27 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A78E26.20300@swbell.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the information, I was able to find the program files on rtsi.com. I have also been able to get vcc up and running with os9l2 and Nitros9. Very nice package. Now for a few questions, 1) How do I set up a virtual HDD in VCC, I have done a floppy and that might have to work. However RiBBS is very large. 2) How can I transfer the files from windows to this virtual HD? At least this is a starting point. Darn I can see the hand writting on the wall. How do I break this to the wife that I need another (Old tech) computer? :) VCC is very impressive, are there know issues? Thanks Ron Bihler > I assembled some memory and I/O boards for the MM/1 under contract from > its second owner, Blackhawk Enterprises. This was in the time period of > 1995-1999. '97-2000 I was living in Elkhart, IN. and I got to go to a > couple of the ":Last Annual CoCo Fests" in Chicago. There were problems > with the Version 2 I/O board, which means we didn't sell many of those. > I put together maybe 6-10 memory boards during that period though. I > still have bare memory boards, I/O boards (there may actually have been > a fix for the SCSI problem right at the end there), and parts to build a > few more if there was any need. At one of those CoCo Fests, probably > 1999 or 2000, I met David Graham of Blackhawk Enterprises in person for > the first time, and I haven't seen or heard from him since. > > I still have my MM/1, and it works, as of a couple months ago. I did a > little programming on it, mostly modifications of Andrzej Kotanski's > JPEG viewer program. I added Joel Hegberg's clipboard library to it, > and wrote a program that would save an image from the clipboard as an > IFF. So you could decode a JPEG, copy it into the clipboard, and then > save it as a much faster-loading CLUT IFF file. I think I lost my > source code for the modifications I did to the JPEG viewer, but there > wasn't much to that. I think I recently found my SAVEIFF code. I had > even forgotten that I wrote it until I looked at the source file. Duh. > That's what 10 years will do to you. >> Does anyone have RiBBS code, might try to see it again on Emulation? >> Most of the information was on Compuserve - how things have changed. > Did it ever get posted on ftp.rtsi.com? That's still around. >> Can anyone recall the person involved with the MM1 doing the port - >> not sure if it even was finished. He was located in Canada. >> How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under >> emulation? >> > 6809 (Nitr)OS-9 works great on a CoCo emulator. > > To the best of my knowledge, there is no emulator that will run > OS-9/68K. I tried to boot Personal OS-9 for the Atari ST on several > different Atari emulators, but no joy. Even ARANYM, which runs > Debian-m68K won't boot it. Bob Devries (I think) says that Atari OS-9 > actually makes use of the Atari ROM code, which one would think would > insulate it further from the underlying hardware and make it even less > machine-dependent. Maybe I'm just not using the proper ROM images. > > Somebody has made a CD-i emulator for MS-Windows, but it only runs some > of the games (last time I tried it) and is cripple-ware. >> Anyway I am a bit older, might be smarter, but have way less time :) >> > Sounds all too familiar. >> Too bad the Hero 2000 was not a 6809 as that would make it more fun :) >> > The Hero, or the 6809? > > JCE > >> Ron Bihler >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 02:28:27 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:28:27 +1000 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au><48A78E26.20300@swbell.net> Message-ID: <007f01c90032$77af6d00$0701a8c0@master> Ron, there's a Virtual HDD available on the VCC website: http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/bin/nitros9.zip Use the tool from MESS (www.mess.org) called WImgTool.exe to transfer files to a floppy image (.dsk file), and then to the HDD image using the usual copy command in BASIC or NitrOS-9. There may be other (better?) ways of doing that, and if so, I'm sure others will chip in with their 2c worth. :) I still have my MM/1, which I got from one of the other Aussie users, and it still runs well, excpet for a nagging SCSI lockup at startup which hasn't yet been resolved. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > Thanks for the information, > I was able to find the program files on rtsi.com. > I have also been able to get vcc up and running with os9l2 and Nitros9. > Very nice package. > > Now for a few questions, > 1) How do I set up a virtual HDD in VCC, I have done a floppy and that > might have to work. However RiBBS is very large. > 2) How can I transfer the files from windows to this virtual HD? > > At least this is a starting point. Darn I can see the hand writting on the > wall. How do I break this to the wife that I need another (Old tech) > computer? :) > VCC is very impressive, are there know issues? > > Thanks > Ron Bihler > >> I assembled some memory and I/O boards for the MM/1 under contract from >> its second owner, Blackhawk Enterprises. This was in the time period of >> 1995-1999. '97-2000 I was living in Elkhart, IN. and I got to go to a >> couple of the ":Last Annual CoCo Fests" in Chicago. There were problems >> with the Version 2 I/O board, which means we didn't sell many of those. >> I put together maybe 6-10 memory boards during that period though. I >> still have bare memory boards, I/O boards (there may actually have been >> a fix for the SCSI problem right at the end there), and parts to build a >> few more if there was any need. At one of those CoCo Fests, probably >> 1999 or 2000, I met David Graham of Blackhawk Enterprises in person for >> the first time, and I haven't seen or heard from him since. >> >> I still have my MM/1, and it works, as of a couple months ago. I did a >> little programming on it, mostly modifications of Andrzej Kotanski's >> JPEG viewer program. I added Joel Hegberg's clipboard library to it, >> and wrote a program that would save an image from the clipboard as an >> IFF. So you could decode a JPEG, copy it into the clipboard, and then >> save it as a much faster-loading CLUT IFF file. I think I lost my >> source code for the modifications I did to the JPEG viewer, but there >> wasn't much to that. I think I recently found my SAVEIFF code. I had >> even forgotten that I wrote it until I looked at the source file. Duh. >> That's what 10 years will do to you. >>> Does anyone have RiBBS code, might try to see it again on Emulation? >>> Most of the information was on Compuserve - how things have changed. >> Did it ever get posted on ftp.rtsi.com? That's still around. >>> Can anyone recall the person involved with the MM1 doing the port - >>> not sure if it even was finished. He was located in Canada. >>> How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under >>> emulation? >>> >> 6809 (Nitr)OS-9 works great on a CoCo emulator. >> >> To the best of my knowledge, there is no emulator that will run >> OS-9/68K. I tried to boot Personal OS-9 for the Atari ST on several >> different Atari emulators, but no joy. Even ARANYM, which runs >> Debian-m68K won't boot it. Bob Devries (I think) says that Atari OS-9 >> actually makes use of the Atari ROM code, which one would think would >> insulate it further from the underlying hardware and make it even less >> machine-dependent. Maybe I'm just not using the proper ROM images. >> >> Somebody has made a CD-i emulator for MS-Windows, but it only runs some >> of the games (last time I tried it) and is cripple-ware. >>> Anyway I am a bit older, might be smarter, but have way less time :) >>> >> Sounds all too familiar. >>> Too bad the Hero 2000 was not a 6809 as that would make it more fun :) >>> >> The Hero, or the 6809? >> >> JCE >> >>> Ron Bihler >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lost at l-w.ca Sun Aug 17 03:23:46 2008 From: lost at l-w.ca (William Astle) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:23:46 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Assembler Help In-Reply-To: <48A7ADD9.2050004@worldnet.att.net> References: <000001c90014$11201170$800101df@CHUCK03> <48A7ADD9.2050004@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <48A7D202.6010904@l-w.ca> Robert Gault wrote: > Charles Shrader wrote: >> Hi all! I thought I'd break into something other than the recent >> copyright >> discussion and ask for some help with an odd Assembler language question. >> >> I'm using EDTASM++.BIN. I've written a very simple program that >> clears the >> screen, then waits for the user to type in eight characters. Once eight >> characters have been typed in, the program outputs to the screen a space, >> then outputs a repeat of the string. Very simple. >> >> When I assemble and run this in the Z-Debugger, it runs fine, although >> the >> RTS at the end of the code causes unusual results. But I can see >> before the >> system goes hay-wire that on the top line, my entry is repeated: >> >> ABCDEFGH ABCDEFGH. >> >> This runs fine also if I change the RTS line to a line that just >> brances to >> itself over and over. This keeps the system from going nuts. >> >> Now if I compile the program to disk and execute the .BIN file, my output >> is: >> >> ABCDEFGH BCDEFGH >> >> (Where did the first A go in the echoed second string??) >> >> I'm totally perplexed as to why this is happening. It's like my x >> index is >> not pointing to the correct start byte of STMP. (See below) >> >> I'll include the code below; perhaps someone here more knowledgeable >> than I >> may be able to figure out what's going on. I'm doing this in the >> David Keil >> emulator for the Coco3 with 128K RAM: >> >> 00100 ORG $3F00 ;Start location of code >> 00110 START JSR 43304 ;Clear Screen >> 00120 LDB #0 ;Initialize register B >> 00130 LDA #0 ;Initialize Accumulator >> 00135 STA DEVNUM ;Output to screen >> 00140 LDX STMP ;Load start address of >> storage >> location STMP >> 00150 LOOP JSR $A1C1 ;Poll for keypress >> 00160 CMPA #0 ;Compare vs 0. If 0, no key >> was pressed. >> 00170 BEQ LOOP ;No keypress so keep polling >> 00180 STA ,X+ ;Store keypress in STMP and >> move byte pointer >> 00190 JSR [40962] ;Output keypress to screen >> 00192 INCB ;Increment counter >> 00194 CMPB #8 ;See if 8 keys have been >> pressed >> 00200 BNE LOOP ;Keep polling until 8 >> keys have >> been pressed >> 00210 LDX STMP ;Point to start of STMP >> so we >> can echo output >> 00220 LDA #32 ;Load A with ASCII code for >> 'Space' >> 00230 JSR [40962] ;Output character to screen >> 00240 LOOP2 LDA ,X ;Load A with first >> character of >> stored string >> 00250 JSR [40962] ;Output to screen >> 00260 CMPX #8 ;Have we displayed all 8 >> characters? >> 00270 BNE LOOP2 ;If not, get next >> character in >> string >> 00280 RTS ;Return to caller >> 00290 STMP RMB $09 ;Define storage area STMP >> 00300 DEVNUM EQU $6F ;Location where output is >> designated >> 00310 END START >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Chuck >> > > There is some code that can be cleaned up but that is a matter of style. > What I see wrong is in loop2. > > lda ,x should be lda ,x+ > cmpx #8 should be cmpb #8 preceded by an incb > regB should be cleared 231 clrb > > When I made these changes, the program worked for me under Basic. To get > it to work in EDTASM the rts should be replaced with swi. You should > also make sure the program does not assemble over and corrupt EDTASM. There's one more problem. Both instances of LDX STMP should be LDX #STMP. The latter actually loads the address of STMP while the former loads the contents at that address. So, if the memory contains $0000, your buffer is actually at address 0 (which might by why CMPX #8 worked for you?). -- William Astle finger lost at l-w.ca for further information Geek Code V3.12: GCS/M/S d- s+:+ !a C++ UL++++$ P++ L+++ !E W++ !N w--- !D !M PS PE V-- Y+ PGP t+@ 5++ X !R tv+@ b+++@ !DI D? G e++ h+ y? From jimcox at miba51.com Sun Aug 17 04:16:44 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Clarifying my relationship with Cloud-9 and the SuperBoard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808170116n7d3cff31v925c6b59a619d6b4@mail.gmail.com> Hi Boisy, I have been away from the list for quite some time, so I am not sure what inspired your email, but I would like to say that I have put money down for two Superboards, as a matter of fact I believe I may have been one the first ones to put money down on the Superboard. Now I could be stomping up and down, and screaming for a refund, especially now that I am unemployed and could use what funds I can get, but I am not. Instead I will continue to patiently wait for it's release. I would also like to add that I hope the CoCo community hasn't been too caustic while I was away. You all are a great gang, and we need to stick together. -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Boisy G. Pitre wrote: > Given the recent discussion and comments, I would like to clarify my > relationship with Cloud-9 and the SuperBoard project. I did not discuss > this message with Mark Marlette, so he has had no influence on its content. > > For those of you who don't know, Mark Marlette is the sole proprietor and > owner of Cloud-9. I own no interest in the company itself whatsoever. I do > sell my software exclusively through Cloud-9, and do have interest in the > software side of some of the hardware products that Mark has created. The > terms of those agreements are, and will remain, confidential, but suffice it > to say that Mark and I have worked well together over the years, and have > great mutual respect for each other's abilities. We talk every week > (sometimes every day) and are constantly in communication with customers to > answer questions and fulfill orders. > > Believe it or not, Mark and I have had our disagreements over the years, > some quite heated. Yet in all of that, we value our friendship and work > relationship, and always find a way to get beyond disagreements. > > One of the more recent discussions has been about the SuperBoard. I will > not get into the details of our discourse, but be assured that we have had > different ideas on what to do about this product and where it should go, or > even if it should be cancelled. Mark's position is that he will persevere > and finish the product. I have continued to supported him, even going as > far as developing drivers and software for hardware that is spec'd out, but > doesn't exist just yet. > > Mark has a proven track record of completing projects and delivering quality > products to market; based upon that reputation, I believe he will deliver > the SuperBoard. For those of you who think I am a jerk or an ass for > telling it like it is, then by all means, you can refrain from buying my > software products. But don't punish Mark or Cloud-9 by extension. > > Regards, > Boisy G. Pitre > -- > Email: boisy at boisypitre.com > Web: http://www.boisypitre.com > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From jimcox at miba51.com Sun Aug 17 04:45:19 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:45:19 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Whoa! Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808170145u539f9727p3e9df2ff41a30f8c@mail.gmail.com> Guys and gals, I think Dennis is right in asking that certain threads be stopped. I just did a little catching up with this list, and I have to say I am saddened by what I read. There is a "spate" of unsubscribes from the list, Mary seems to be missing, and the "dones and the have not dones" argument started up again. I am only going to comment on the latter. Projects come and go, and some come to fruition while others do not. I spent about a year and half building what I thought was a damn good blog and social site for a local science fiction group, only to now find out that the new leadership most likely will ask that it be shut down. Was this a waste of time for me? Well even though it took me away from this community for a long time and used up a Hell of a lot of personal time, I have to say the answer is a resounding "NO". I learned a lot about blogging and web design, as well as learning a lot about writing web content. I will say in retrospect that my time could have been utilized better studying those subjects, but that's not a reason to discount the effort. I also spent a large part of that time working on a project at work that was eventually mothballed, only to be transferred to another project that was a reworking of the previous one. I was laid off this week due to restructuring, in part to project "rescheduling". After all this I am a little burned out, but I am also looking forward to a lot of good things ahead. I guess the point of this ramble is that "guano happens" and given that we are a small community working with very old hardware and software, some projects will happen and some won't, and others will be canceled. Some people will have great ideas and bring them to fruition, while others will not. What we as a community need to do is keep moving forward, and while we may disagree we must stick together, because if we don't the only piece of 8-bit hardware there world will remember is the Commode and the Crapple, and we can't let that happen can we? :-) I am not criticizing anyone here, I am just asking we try to work to stay together as a community. Cheers, -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ From skwirl42 at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 05:59:19 2008 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:59:19 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Laid off - Well at least maybe now I will have time for the CoCo :) In-Reply-To: <6c92f46c0808162141x1bc91f11w52ad2d8d4611c922@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c92f46c0808162141x1bc91f11w52ad2d8d4611c922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30808170259wea0295cude182a1e8dfe43dd@mail.gmail.com> On 8/17/08, Jim Cox wrote: > I am looking at making a career change. I have an interest in web > development, and I believe I can combine that with my experience > working with embedded systems into something where I am testing and/or > developing interfaces for embedded systems. Maybe it's a pipe dream, > but I think it's a good one. If any of you are interested, take a > look at my blog when you have a second. Sorry to hear about your lay-off. Good luck on the career change, though. There's a lot to pick up on web development, but if you were doing embedded systems, it shouldn't be too tough. I think your particular plan sounds good, web interfaces to embedded systems are definitely becoming the norm from what I've been seeing. -- James Dessart From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Aug 17 09:33:41 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: <48A791A2.7080002@embarqmail.com> References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A791A2.7080002@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <48A828B5.5030100@swbell.net> Dave Kelly wrote: > Ron Bihler wrote: >> Ok, >> So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some >> research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's >> of passon and opionons make it very interesting. >> >> So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced and >> only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of my >> interest is in what happened to RiBBS, > John Donaldson was doing some updating and porting of RIBBS to the > MM1. He decided to leave his job here in Houston and move to West > Viginia. When he did I bought all his Coco OS9 stuff. Shortly after > the Penn Fest I sold everything I had at the Chicago Fest. > > Do not remember who bought it. Maybe someone in this group does. It > was on 5 1/4 inch floppies and the MM1 hard drive. Boisy was it you > who bought the computer that John had built from a Paul Ward kit? > > To keep this update going, Kevin Pease designed a MM1 for Keisler > (thats not right, guy who wrote 'ar' the compression thingy) > Electronics. Several people sold it. Bill Whitman, for one. Later > David Black took over marketing it. A little clarification. There were (at least) two entirely different computers marketed as the MM/1. The original MM/1 was designed and built by Interactive Media Systems (IMS). It uses the Signetics 68070 and the 66470 VSC. These chips were also used in some of the first generation CD-i players, though the CD-i players used a pair of 66470s so they could get 16-bit color. The original MM/1 also has a backplane board (just a simple bus with a resistor pack or two and a couple header connectors) that connects the CPU board with the I/O board. The CPU board has floppy, video, keyboard, and a couple serial ports built in, along with 1M of RAM soldered onto the board that serves as system and video RAM. The I/O board added (I think potentially 3) more serial ports, two parallel ports, SCSI, RTC, 2 8-bit ADC/DAC chips for sound in/out, and joysticks, and up to 2M additional RAM in 30-pin SIMMs. Somewhere along the line, IMS sold the rights of the MM/1 to Blackhawk Enterprises (David Graham). Blackhawk sold remaining stock of IMS MM/1 equipment, and also had a redesign of the backplane and the I/O board. I know that the version 2 backplane and I/O board were done by Kevin Pease. He may have been the original designer of the MM/1 equipment. I'm not sure about that. In this version, the backplane becomes a memory board that supports up to 2 4M 30-pin SIMMs. Memory is moved off the I/O board, and a later version of the SCSI chip is used. It is these boards that I was assembling for Blackhawk. I've got 8M of RAM on my MM/1 not including the 1M on the CPU board. But since there were problems with the Ver. 2 I/O board, David Graham also sold AT306 motherboards as the MM/1b while Kevin and Ray Patterson tried to work out the bugs in the SCSI interface of the original MM/1. I think the AT306 is the same board that Carl Kreider was selling. This was a motherboard with a m68306 processor and an ISA bus so you could plug PC peripherals in and take advantage of cheap commodity hardware, if you could cook up drivers. Even though the hardware was very different from the original MM/1, David Graham called it the MM/1b because the licenses he had for OS-9/68K and the OS-9 Port Pack were valid "only for the MM/1". I didn't think that Kevin Pease had anything to do with the development of the AT306/MM/1b, but I won't claim to have authoritative knowledge of that one way or another. JCE > > John is in the Dallas area now. I get e-mails from him several times a > week. Do not know if he is still subscribed to this list, maybe Dennis > can look at the file and say yes or no. > > Regards, > Dave > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sun Aug 17 12:04:08 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:04:08 +0000 Subject: [Coco] Close subject, please Message-ID: <081720081604.4964.48A84BF80009F4660000136422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Ah.I was hoping somebody with some sense would show up here.. BTW, who has the rights to "The Color Computer Magazine"? Is it you or Jake or some corporate entity? My ex tossed my collection so I can't look at the contents page. When's your next show down here in the NYC metro area? La Esposa loved the concert we attended. (I'm still planning to move up to New Hampshire, she's still waffling). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net These histrionics were probably unnecessary, since there was no reason to think anybody would be watching us with more than casual interest until I made my first move to follow Buchanon's trail, in London. Still, somebody might check back this far later, and I always feel that if you're going to play a part, you might as well play it all the way, at least in public -- and it's hard to tell what's public and what isn't, these electronic days. Donald Hamilton, _The Devastators_, 1965 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz > Hi all, > > Some nasty business along with the sincere business. > > We've had a spate of unsubscribes, and that means it's now gone over the line. > > Please close the "Done" and "Pathetic" topics. One warning only. We > can revisit this in a few weeks. > > Thanks, > Your wholesome list manager From jimcox at miba51.com Sun Aug 17 12:23:34 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:23:34 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Laid off - Well at least maybe now I will have time for the CoCo :) In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30808170259wea0295cude182a1e8dfe43dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c92f46c0808162141x1bc91f11w52ad2d8d4611c922@mail.gmail.com> <4c56cbd30808170259wea0295cude182a1e8dfe43dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808170923w15b0b29ap8b62964994ca3e07@mail.gmail.com> HI James, Thanks for the words of support. I figure I have enough experience, plus enough hard ware of my own (Ethernut and other small boards) that I can explore web interfaces for embedded systems. To keep this on topic - I believe Diego had some sort of browser or reader for the CoCo, but I may be wrong. Using the CoCo as a way to refresh my hardware experience is good way to play and learn at the same time. By the way, if anyone is on Linkedin, feel free to send me an invite. I am looking to expand my professional network. Cheers, -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 2:59 AM, James Dessart wrote: > On 8/17/08, Jim Cox wrote: > >> I am looking at making a career change. I have an interest in web >> development, and I believe I can combine that with my experience >> working with embedded systems into something where I am testing and/or >> developing interfaces for embedded systems. Maybe it's a pipe dream, >> but I think it's a good one. If any of you are interested, take a >> look at my blog when you have a second. > > Sorry to hear about your lay-off. Good luck on the career change, > though. There's a lot to pick up on web development, but if you were > doing embedded systems, it shouldn't be too tough. I think your > particular plan sounds good, web interfaces to embedded systems are > definitely becoming the norm from what I've been seeing. > > -- > James Dessart > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From charles.shrader at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 12:25:19 2008 From: charles.shrader at gmail.com (Charles Shrader) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:25:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Assembler Program - Working! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c90085$da49a680$800101df@CHUCK03> Just wanted to thank this group for their help with this little project. Here's my working code. I apoligize ahead of the time for the formatting; I'm not sure how to get this to line up other than using the Courier font, and I'd Imagine the output from the List Server would change the font to something else. 00100 ORG $3F00 ;Start location of code 00110 START JSR 43304 ;Clear Screen 00120 LDB #0 ;Initialize register B 00130 LDA #0 ;Initialize Accumulator 00135 STA DEVNUM ;Output to screen 00140 LDX #STMP ;Load start address STMP 00150 LOOP JSR $A1C1 ;Poll for keypress 00160 CMPA #0 ;Compare vs 0. If 0, no key prs 00170 BEQ LOOP ;No keypress so keep polling 00180 STA ,X+ ;Store keypress in STMP, inc X 00190 JSR [40962] ;Output keypress to screen 00192 INCB ;Increment counter 00194 CMPB #8 ;See if 8 keys have been pressed 00200 BNE LOOP ;Keep polling until 8 keystrokes 00210 LDX #STMP ;Point to STMP for echo of output 00220 LDA #32 ;Load A with ASCII code for spc 00230 JSR [40962] ;Output character to screen 00231 CLRB ;Clear B Register 00240 LOOP2 LDA ,X ;Load A with 1st char of stored str 00250 JSR [40962] ;Output to screen 00260 CMPB #8 ;Have we displayed all 8 chars? 00270 BNE LOOP2 ;If not, get next char in str 00280 RTS ;Return to caller 00290 STMP RMB $09 ;Define storage area STMP 00300 DEVNUM EQU $6F ;Location of output 00310 END START What helped were adding a # sign in front of my memory location STMP. How does the compiler treat a CMP function of a memory location if it has a # designation rather than just the memory location without? Also, using register B as a counter works better than trying to use X even though it is incremented with the instruction LDA ,X+. I'll probably use B as my counter in the future, and keep X as just an index of sorts. I may need some more help in the future so don't be surprised if I surface again... Assembler can be quite tricky. Critique is also welcome! Thanks again all! Chuck Shrader p.s. Just wanted to say for the record (outside of the context of the recent 'heated' discussions) that Mark at Cloud9Tech and Boisy Pitre are in my opinion businessmen of integrity. I have purchased some items and software from them and had some initial problems, both individuals went way beyond the call of duty to get my system working very well. It's my opinion that they are a huge asset to this community. Thanks guys! From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Sun Aug 17 12:29:32 2008 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:29:32 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Close subject, please In-Reply-To: <081720081604.4964.48A84BF80009F4660000136422069997350B9DCC 090B99@comcast.net> References: <081720081604.4964.48A84BF80009F4660000136422069997350B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200808171629.m7HGTdLX011577@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> At 12:04 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote: >Ah.I was hoping somebody with some sense would show up here.. I don't enjoy it. >BTW, who has the rights to "The Color Computer Magazine"? Is it you >or Jake or some corporate entity? My ex tossed my collection so I >can't look at the contents page. Ziff-Davis bought it all in the mid-1980s. Ziff-Davis then closed all those magazines within a few months. Then they got into trouble a few years ago, but they're still around: >When's your next show down here in the NYC metro area? La Esposa >loved the concert we attended. (I'm still planning to move up to >New Hampshire, she's still waffling). Hah! Good waffle. They had tornadoes a few weeks ago. And we had 113 inches of snow last winter in our town here in central Vermont. I had two shows in NYC (Feb. 12 and Apr. 5) and others coming up. Next ones seem to be Nov. 14 and Jan. 25. My home page lists upcoming dates: Thanks for inquiring! Dennis Buy my new book! "We Are All Mozart" From rbihler at msn.com Sun Aug 17 12:37:33 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:37:33 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS & MM/1 References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A791A2.7080002@embarqmail.com> <48A828B5.5030100@swbell.net> Message-ID: Very interesting, Blackhawk never sounded right. However IMS is who I was in contact with at the time, after that I lost touch as Life pulled me in. I married and started my Scientific Glassblowing Company. I no longer had time to say up all night and code new improvements to RiBBS. So more on the MM/1, I recall it was going to be a very nice machine. Bigger/Faster etc but still run most of the old os9 programs with a simple re-compile. Did that all pan out as planned? Did it get the software support needed? Using Cheap PC boards would have been so very nice. At one time it was said it would run Amiga programs or maybe os9 Amiga programs, but that was a long time ago and my memory has faded. I remember some of the key players on continuing RiBBS . Charles West a good tester in my day, and Phil Zielger had helped out a bunch, Warren Hrach (Best tester ever). Does anyone have contact information for Charles West? We had many a good conversation. I don't recall John Donaldson, he may have taken on the port after Charles West. It has been enjoyable, as I have now learned Charles did release an update to RiBBS. At that time I was so far removed I had no idea. Very cool to see someone bring my Baby forward. I had been working on a UUCP (I think) module to tie into the University mail system. Never got very far as this was sort of Taboo, only University and Government people had access. Little did I know this was the start of the Internet and the mail system we have now. Was there a kit version of the MM/1 as well? I remember I once a Video Tape of the MM/1, didn't really do much as the applications where way behind, but it looked nice. A good walk down Memory Lane, some very good memories for sure. Ron Bihler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Ewy" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > Dave Kelly wrote: >> Ron Bihler wrote: >>> Ok, >>> So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some >>> research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's >>> of passon and opionons make it very interesting. >>> >>> So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced and >>> only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of my >>> interest is in what happened to RiBBS, >> John Donaldson was doing some updating and porting of RIBBS to the >> MM1. He decided to leave his job here in Houston and move to West >> Viginia. When he did I bought all his Coco OS9 stuff. Shortly after >> the Penn Fest I sold everything I had at the Chicago Fest. >> >> Do not remember who bought it. Maybe someone in this group does. It >> was on 5 1/4 inch floppies and the MM1 hard drive. Boisy was it you >> who bought the computer that John had built from a Paul Ward kit? >> >> To keep this update going, Kevin Pease designed a MM1 for Keisler >> (thats not right, guy who wrote 'ar' the compression thingy) >> Electronics. Several people sold it. Bill Whitman, for one. Later >> David Black took over marketing it. > > A little clarification. There were (at least) two entirely different > computers marketed as the MM/1. The original MM/1 was designed and > built by Interactive Media Systems (IMS). It uses the Signetics 68070 > and the 66470 VSC. These chips were also used in some of the first > generation CD-i players, though the CD-i players used a pair of 66470s > so they could get 16-bit color. The original MM/1 also has a backplane > board (just a simple bus with a resistor pack or two and a couple header > connectors) that connects the CPU board with the I/O board. The CPU > board has floppy, video, keyboard, and a couple serial ports built in, > along with 1M of RAM soldered onto the board that serves as system and > video RAM. The I/O board added (I think potentially 3) more serial > ports, two parallel ports, SCSI, RTC, 2 8-bit ADC/DAC chips for sound > in/out, and joysticks, and up to 2M additional RAM in 30-pin SIMMs. > > Somewhere along the line, IMS sold the rights of the MM/1 to Blackhawk > Enterprises (David Graham). Blackhawk sold remaining stock of IMS MM/1 > equipment, and also had a redesign of the backplane and the I/O board. > I know that the version 2 backplane and I/O board were done by Kevin > Pease. He may have been the original designer of the MM/1 equipment. > I'm not sure about that. In this version, the backplane becomes a > memory board that supports up to 2 4M 30-pin SIMMs. Memory is moved off > the I/O board, and a later version of the SCSI chip is used. It is > these boards that I was assembling for Blackhawk. I've got 8M of RAM on > my MM/1 not including the 1M on the CPU board. > > But since there were problems with the Ver. 2 I/O board, David Graham > also sold AT306 motherboards as the MM/1b while Kevin and Ray Patterson > tried to work out the bugs in the SCSI interface of the original MM/1. > I think the AT306 is the same board that Carl Kreider was selling. This > was a motherboard with a m68306 processor and an ISA bus so you could > plug PC peripherals in and take advantage of cheap commodity hardware, > if you could cook up drivers. Even though the hardware was very > different from the original MM/1, David Graham called it the MM/1b > because the licenses he had for OS-9/68K and the OS-9 Port Pack were > valid "only for the MM/1". > > I didn't think that Kevin Pease had anything to do with the development > of the AT306/MM/1b, but I won't claim to have authoritative knowledge of > that one way or another. > > JCE >> >> John is in the Dallas area now. I get e-mails from him several times a >> week. Do not know if he is still subscribed to this list, maybe Dennis >> can look at the file and say yes or no. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From lost at l-w.ca Sun Aug 17 12:56:58 2008 From: lost at l-w.ca (William Astle) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:56:58 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Assembler Program - Working! In-Reply-To: <000101c90085$da49a680$800101df@CHUCK03> References: <000101c90085$da49a680$800101df@CHUCK03> Message-ID: <48A8585A.5050102@l-w.ca> Charles Shrader wrote: > What helped were adding a # sign in front of my memory location STMP. > How does the compiler treat a CMP function of a memory location if it > has a # designation rather than just the memory location without? Probably what you need to understand the difference is to look up the difference between immediate mode addressing and direct/extended addressing. Suppose you have the following: LDA #5 That puts the value of 5 into A. That's pretty obvious. Now suppose you have the following: LDA 5 That would take the value at memory location 5 and put it into A. The first is immediate mode addressing which the second is either direct addressing or extended addressing. Which it is is not important as they have the same effect. It seems to get a bit more confusing for people when symbols are involved. In the assembler, a symbol is simply a name for a value. Consider the following: .... RTS STMP RMB 8 In the above, STMP gets assigned the current assembly address. There is nothing magic about symbols. The assembler doesn't treat them any differently than simple numbers and it certainly doesn't treat them differently based on how they are defined. So, if you need the value of a symbol, you use immediate mode (# prefix). If you need the contents of the memory location identified by the symbol, you leave off the # prefix. Thus, you could have done something like this: ODEV EQU 0 DEVNUM EQU $6F .... LDA #ODEV STA DEVNUM Now, the distinction between immediate mode and direct/extended mode applies to LD, SUB, SBC, ADD, ADC, BIT, AND, OR, EOR, and CMP. It means exactly the same in all cases. Immediate mode includes the value to be operated on in the instruction (it's immediately available) while direct or extended mode include a pointer to the value to be operated on in the instruction. > I may need some more help in the future so don't be surprised if I > surface again... Assembler can be quite tricky. Critique is also welcome! We have a few folks around these parts that know a few things about assembly. :) -- William Astle finger lost at l-w.ca for further information Geek Code V3.12: GCS/M/S d- s+:+ !a C++ UL++++$ P++ L+++ !E W++ !N w--- !D !M PS PE V-- Y+ PGP t+@ 5++ X !R tv+@ b+++@ !DI D? G e++ h+ y? From tlindner at macmess.org Sun Aug 17 12:58:54 2008 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:58:54 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Assembler Program - Working! In-Reply-To: <000101c90085$da49a680$800101df@CHUCK03> Message-ID: <1iltab5.1qi3qfi16kb607M%tlindner@macmess.org> Charles Shrader wrote: > 00231 CLRB ;Clear B Register > 00240 LOOP2 LDA ,X ;Load A with 1st char of stored str > 00250 JSR [40962] ;Output to screen > 00260 CMPB #8 ;Have we displayed all 8 chars? > 00270 BNE LOOP2 ;If not, get next char in str This is an infinate loop. It will never stop. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From os9dude at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 13:07:24 2008 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:07:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5631e580808171007j44da04cete2b1d49ec412c3db@mail.gmail.com> Wow, seeing your name here brings lots of fond memories from those days I used to limp amongst the available CoCo BBSs at 300bps with my DC Modem Pak... long distance international calls no less, but all was worth it. Saddened by the mention of Warren passing... he was one of those persons to take an extra step to help out and encourage. Still have the transcript printouts of those sysop chats with him a long time ago. I had an interest in running RiBBS back in the time but never quite gathered all required to do so. I did start a BBS in my hometown on Nogales Sonora Mexico using Ezra Story's ACBBS under RSDOS in my CoCo 3. Not much of a user base though, perhaps two or three people but it was fun. Ended up using ACBBS as a host to transfer files back and forth from the Compaq DOS box we had at work... the best thing about it was that we had ProComm Plus with a brand new 9.6k Hayes Smartmodem. I'd do my online thing at the office late at night, disconnect then dial home where the CoCo 3 would answer, and transfer all the Compuserve goodies that way. Great to see you here Ron... -=[ Rogelio]=- On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Ron Bihler wrote: > Ok, > So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some > research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's of > passon and opionons make it very interesting .... From rbihler at msn.com Sun Aug 17 13:46:01 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:46:01 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com><48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <5631e580808171007j44da04cete2b1d49ec412c3db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, As I am digging into this further I am running into so many names I remember. That was a fun time! How far it's come compared to today and places like this list that are effortless. Yes limping along at 300 baud, 9600 was heaven. I would really like to get my hands on some of the source code again. I had so many binders with code, just to see what I was able to put together that much stuff is mind boggling. It's great that the package touched so many people, considering how small the coco community really was. Thanks Ron Bihler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rogelio Perea" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > Wow, seeing your name here brings lots of fond memories from those days I > used to limp amongst the available CoCo BBSs at 300bps with my DC Modem > Pak... long distance international calls no less, but all was worth it. > > Saddened by the mention of Warren passing... he was one of those persons > to > take an extra step to help out and encourage. Still have the transcript > printouts of those sysop chats with him a long time ago. > > I had an interest in running RiBBS back in the time but never quite > gathered > all required to do so. I did start a BBS in my hometown on Nogales Sonora > Mexico using Ezra Story's ACBBS under RSDOS in my CoCo 3. Not much of a > user > base though, perhaps two or three people but it was fun. Ended up using > ACBBS as a host to transfer files back and forth from the Compaq DOS box > we > had at work... the best thing about it was that we had ProComm Plus with a > brand new 9.6k Hayes Smartmodem. I'd do my online thing at the office > late > at night, disconnect then dial home where the CoCo 3 would answer, and > transfer all the Compuserve goodies that way. > > Great to see you here Ron... > > > -=[ Rogelio]=- > > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Ron Bihler wrote: > >> Ok, >> So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some >> research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's of >> passon and opionons make it very interesting .... > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Sun Aug 17 13:56:09 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS Message-ID: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> It's me again. Are there any BBS in operation now? That would make life really much easier for me if I would be able to download coco files on my coco3. It only cost a few dollars more to have unlimited long distance service John ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUn9fvyTWFM7YuOd018pzv3Hd6TSqcYgbGDuo0O3rtaajf/ From RJRTTY at aol.com Sun Aug 17 14:01:36 2008 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:01:36 EDT Subject: [Coco] (Coco) Rainbow magazines Message-ID: People, I have been contacted by Mike and he is going to send me all the magazines he has scanned. Most of them are mine but some of them were sent in by others. If anybody wants thier magazines back send him an email with your shipping address and he will return them to you..... Be advised that they have probably been disassembled for scanning. Peace Roy **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From RJRTTY at aol.com Sun Aug 17 14:01:30 2008 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:01:30 EDT Subject: [Coco] Laid off - Well at least maybe now I will have time for the CoCo :) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/2008 5:59:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, skwirl42 at gmail.com writes: Sorry to hear about your lay-off. Good luck on the career change, though. There's a lot to pick up on web development, but if you were doing embedded systems, it shouldn't be too tough. I think your particular plan sounds good, web interfaces to embedded systems are definitely becoming the norm from what I've been seeing. -- James Dessart _http://skwirl.com/cody/_ (http://skwirl.com/cody/) You can say that again! I am a lab technician where i work and even the PH meters have web interfaces in them now. Personally I think that is a bit much...... Roy **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From rbihler at msn.com Sun Aug 17 14:03:49 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:03:49 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: Boy, I am not sure of any, that might be fun to setup again. (What and I saying !!!) How many people even have old analog modem anymore? Ron Bihler ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T Chasteen" To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > It's me again. > Are there any BBS in operation now? > That would make life really much easier for me > if I would be able to download coco files on my > coco3. It only cost a few dollars more to have unlimited long distance > service > > John > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUn9fvyTWFM7YuOd018pzv3Hd6TSqcYgbGDuo0O3rtaajf/ > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 15:48:21 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:48:21 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <01d001c900a3$ba563190$0101a8c0@NewBaby> I have about 12 at last count! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" > Boy, > I am not sure of any, that might be fun to setup again. (What and I > saying !!!) How many people even have old analog modem anymore? > > Ron Bihler From rbihler at msn.com Sun Aug 17 17:02:53 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:02:53 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> <01d001c900a3$ba563190$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: Humm, I guess there is an exception to ever comment (Grin). I remember on the first BBS I ran I converted one of the old RS modems to be auto answer as the Autoanswer ones where too expensive. One of the old ones was 110 Baud I think. Ron You sound familair? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Morrison" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > > I have about 12 at last count! > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Bihler" > >> Boy, >> I am not sure of any, that might be fun to setup again. (What and I >> saying !!!) How many people even have old analog modem anymore? >> >> Ron Bihler > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Aug 17 17:21:22 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:21:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: References: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <48A89652.3030003@swbell.net> Ron Bihler wrote: > Boy, > I am not sure of any, that might be fun to setup again. (What and I > saying !!!) How many people even have old analog modem anymore? > I've got quite a few. There has been discussion of using one of several devices that have built-in TCP/IP, ethernet, and serial to do a modernized version of a BBS. The Siteplayer Telnet is one such device that comes to my mind. On the serial end I believe it accepts AT commands like an old fashioned modem, and it does Telnet in or out. I know that there is at least one other similar device that has been discussed on the list. I think the Siteplayer Telnet is about $99 in its fully assembled form, but you can get an OEM module for something like $39. I've been thinking that would be really fun for the CoCo or the MM/1. JCE > Ron Bihler > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T Chasteen" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > > >> It's me again. >> Are there any BBS in operation now? >> That would make life really much easier for me >> if I would be able to download coco files on my >> coco3. It only cost a few dollars more to have unlimited long distance >> service >> >> John >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUn9fvyTWFM7YuOd018pzv3Hd6TSqcYgbGDuo0O3rtaajf/ >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 17:35:39 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:35:39 -0700 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: References: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> <01d001c900a3$ba563190$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <93f331ac0808171435w15251eecrc71270c5d1fd7df5@mail.gmail.com> I mostly bought them for use - paid $100 for a 300 baud acoustic coupler from RS - reduced from $300. I bought a couple of the 300 baud ones with the 4 pin Coco DIN when RS blew them out for $10 ea. Now you can buy 56000 PCI fax modems for less than $10! Neil On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ron Bihler wrote: > Humm, > I guess there is an exception to ever comment (Grin). I remember on the > first BBS I ran I converted one of the old RS modems to be auto answer as > the Autoanswer ones where too expensive. > One of the old ones was 110 Baud I think. > > Ron From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Aug 17 17:52:19 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:52:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS & MM/1 In-Reply-To: References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A791A2.7080002@embarqmail.com> <48A828B5.5030100@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48A89D93.7030809@swbell.net> Ron Bihler wrote: > ... > > So more on the MM/1, I recall it was going to be a very nice machine. > Bigger/Faster etc but still run most of the old os9 programs with a > simple re-compile. Did that all pan out as planned? Did it get the > software support needed? Using Cheap PC boards would have been so > very nice. The MM/1 did have a generally compatible window system to the GRFINT/WINDINT in OS-9 LII, so it was pretty easy to port that type of program from the CoCo to the MM/1. The MM/1 had most of the same graphics modes as the CoCo 3 plus higher resolution and 8-bit color modes with a 24-bit color palette. The CPU was a 15- or 16MHz 68000 variant. It was faster in raw CPU than the Amiga 1000/500, Atari ST, or Mac 128/512/Plus. But production was slow and by the early to mid '90s, all those other computer lines were running 68020, 68030, or 68040 chips, and I think '94 saw the first of the PPC Macs. At the same time, FHL was selling all kinds of things, from the TC-9 to the TC-70 (very similar to the MM/1, but just different enough to cause compatibility issues) and other machines as well. But the main problem was that the different vendors didn't agree on a common window environment. The beauty of OS-9's modular design is that it could have obscured the differences in hardware between the different systems to create a common market for software authors, but this fact wasn't well exploited. There was some good software developed for the MM/1. In particular, SubEtha (Allen Huffman and Joel Mathew Hegberg) did some good stuff. And David Graham and others ported lots of GNU stuff. But there was never enough to really unlock the potential of the hardware. I would still really love to get ahold of a copy of Hegberg's Write Right word processor... And of course the cheap PC boards were just for the MM/1b, which I never got (but wanted). Unfortunately, I don't think that KWindows was ever completed for VGA (though I could well be wrong about that). If that's true, then the MM/1b / AT306 didn't have a CoCo compatible window system. There was a completely different system called GWindows, but there was even less ready-made software for that, and it cost more money. And I think that multi I/O boards and certain models of VGA cards were basically all that were supported under OS-9. Of course, one could always roll one's own drivers. Just a matter of time, documentation, and programming skill. Probably lots of all of the above. > At one time it was said it would run Amiga programs or maybe os9 Amiga > programs, but that was a long time ago and my memory has faded. > Only Amiga OS-9 programs would have been feasible. And Amiga OS-9 is more rare than the MM/1 itself, I think. And I think it didn't have a window system, so there wouldn't have been much thrill there. I do remember the original IMS flyer advertising that it would be faster than an Amiga. Well. Faster than some Amigas. > ... > Was there a kit version of the MM/1 as well? I remember I once a > Video Tape of the MM/1, didn't really do much as the applications > where way behind, but it looked nice. > I bought an assembled CPU board. It came with the printed manuals and system floppies. David Graham also sent me the bare memory and I/O boards, and I bought parts to stuff them. So mine was even more of a kit than most! JCE > A good walk down Memory Lane, some very good memories for sure. > > Ron Bihler > ... From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Aug 17 17:58:31 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: <93f331ac0808171435w15251eecrc71270c5d1fd7df5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> <01d001c900a3$ba563190$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <93f331ac0808171435w15251eecrc71270c5d1fd7df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A89F07.6010607@swbell.net> Neil Morrison wrote: > I mostly bought them for use - paid $100 for a 300 baud acoustic > coupler from RS - reduced from $300. > > I bought a couple of the 300 baud ones with the 4 pin Coco DIN when RS > blew them out for $10 ea. > > Now you can buy 56000 PCI fax modems for less than $10! > > Yeah, but they're brain-dead Winders-only pieces of junk. Check prices on real, honest-to-goodness hardware 56K modems, and they're nowhere near that cheap if you can find one at all. Sometimes you can find a used one for a pretty good price. I'm always on the lookout for good 56K hardware modems to put in used systems with Ubuntu installed. I can't abide those Winmodems. :) But your point about getting more speed for less money is well taken. JCE > Neil > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ron Bihler wrote: > >> Humm, >> I guess there is an exception to ever comment (Grin). I remember on the >> first BBS I ran I converted one of the old RS modems to be auto answer as >> the Autoanswer ones where too expensive. >> One of the old ones was 110 Baud I think. >> >> Ron >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From jcewy at swbell.net Sun Aug 17 18:13:18 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: <93f331ac0808171435w15251eecrc71270c5d1fd7df5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> <01d001c900a3$ba563190$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <93f331ac0808171435w15251eecrc71270c5d1fd7df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A8A27E.5020707@swbell.net> Neil Morrison wrote: > I mostly bought them for use - paid $100 for a 300 baud acoustic > coupler from RS - reduced from $300. > > I bought a couple of the 300 baud ones with the 4 pin Coco DIN when RS > blew them out for $10 ea. > > Now you can buy 56000 PCI fax modems for less than $10! > > Check this out. You can get 10 56K PCI modems for $13.99! http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=NET10194 That's almost cheap enough to buy them as a supply of 5V relays! :) JCE > Neil > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ron Bihler wrote: > >> Humm, >> I guess there is an exception to ever comment (Grin). I remember on the >> first BBS I ran I converted one of the old RS modems to be auto answer as >> the Autoanswer ones where too expensive. >> One of the old ones was 110 Baud I think. >> >> Ron >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From rbihler at msn.com Sun Aug 17 18:16:45 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:16:45 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <20080817.125609.2268.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> <48A89652.3030003@swbell.net> Message-ID: That sounds like a fun idea, with Site Player anyone could log onto the BBS software. The other option is a Network to Serial connection and one could loggin via Telnet. Might be a fun winter project if I can find the RiBBS source someplace. Still doesn't help to put the old modems to use (Grin). I have some some old tablet PC that sure could be used for VCC. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Ewy" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > Ron Bihler wrote: >> Boy, >> I am not sure of any, that might be fun to setup again. (What and I >> saying !!!) How many people even have old analog modem anymore? >> > I've got quite a few. > > There has been discussion of using one of several devices that have > built-in TCP/IP, ethernet, and serial to do a modernized version of a > BBS. The Siteplayer Telnet is one such device that comes to my mind. > On the serial end I believe it accepts AT commands like an old fashioned > modem, and it does Telnet in or out. I know that there is at least one > other similar device that has been discussed on the list. I think the > Siteplayer Telnet is about $99 in its fully assembled form, but you can > get an OEM module for something like $39. I've been thinking that would > be really fun for the CoCo or the MM/1. > > JCE >> Ron Bihler >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T Chasteen" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS >> >> >>> It's me again. >>> Are there any BBS in operation now? >>> That would make life really much easier for me >>> if I would be able to download coco files on my >>> coco3. It only cost a few dollars more to have unlimited long distance >>> service >>> >>> John >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUn9fvyTWFM7YuOd018pzv3Hd6TSqcYgbGDuo0O3rtaajf/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From keeper63 at cox.net Sun Aug 17 23:45:49 2008 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:45:49 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Hundreds of old CoCo Disks - Followup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A8F06D.1020007@cox.net> All, The following is kinda (in part) in response to my responses to the whole "Rainbow on DVD" thread going on, and also in response to (IIRC) Boisy's response on the line of "put up or give up" - or something, in regards to past projects, etc. This post may turn out longer than expected - I appologize. A long time ago (July 2006), one of the members of this list (Carey Eugene) posted advice on what to do with a bunch of old floppies. He recently posted asking about "what happenned". Well, when he posted, I took him up on the offer, and got a large chunk of the floppies sent to me. Another separate chunk went to another member, Tim Lindner. The set of floppies in each case were different - I received the "easy to handle" floppies, Tim received all of the copy-protected ones. I managed to convert over 95% of the floppies I received into virtual .DSK format images. I created a CD image of these, with an HTML linkage page for them. The remaining floppies I couldn't copy, I sent to Tim to become a part of his images. I don't know the status of his portion of the project, but I consider my end to be complete, with one caveat: I haven't been able to distribute the images to the community. Carey wanted this to occur - this was why he sent them to me and Tim, not to preserve them for himself (though he did get a copy of the images), but to preserve them for the community. I sincerely want to honor his wishes, but I don't know what to do, so I am asking for any and all advice and help. Basically, what it boils down to is that: a) I have created complete images of most of the disks I received b) Some of these images contain software that I have reason to believe are still being actively pursued by copyright holders for violations c) I don't want to break up the archive d) I don't have time or desire to attempt to weed out these possible violations (some I know of, but there could be others lurking which I have no idea about) e) I have no desire to spend more time on this project beyond getting the images distributed I was attempting to find an individual or someone outside the USA who could host the CD ISO for me on an FTP server in another country, and my name would not be on the release. But that doesn't look likely to occur. I don't want to host it myself, but I don't know what to do or where to turn, except to the community, to figure out what to do with it. I am not even sure whether I should "name names" as to who the most likely copyright holder who would pursue legal action even is (did that even make sense?)... I humbly ask for your help and advice - I will reply/respond as I have time. Thank you... -- Andrew L Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 18 00:13:23 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:13:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Assembler Program - Working! In-Reply-To: <000101c90085$da49a680$800101df@CHUCK03> References: <000101c90085$da49a680$800101df@CHUCK03> Message-ID: <48A8F6E3.9050503@worldnet.att.net> Tim found the infinite loop2 caused by not incrementing regB, incb. Your comment about, "Also, using register B as a counter works better than trying to use X even though it is incremented with the instruction LDA ,X+." is not right. LDA, X+ does increment regX, however, regX is a pointer to text storage not a counter. In your example, regX points to ABCDEFGH. After the first lda ,x+ the value in regX is STMP+1 and not 2. From Nuxie at aol.com Mon Aug 18 01:42:21 2008 From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:42:21 EDT Subject: [Coco] Whoa! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/2008 3:45:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jimcox at miba51.com writes: Guys and gals, I think Dennis is right in asking that certain threads be stopped. I just did a little catching up with this list, and I have to say I am saddened by what I read. There is a "spate" of unsubscribes from the list, Mary seems to be missing well Mary is about to make a comeback and whip you boys back into shape... i guess yall have been misbehaving while i have been gone traveling with my son.... tisk tisk tisk what is a gal to do! I love you all a whole bunch and we shall be at one with the coco once again. ( now that my son is back in school whoot whoot!) check the forums and keep submissions coming so we can all have a great read this fall!! Mary Kramer **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From Nuxie at aol.com Mon Aug 18 01:57:46 2008 From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:57:46 EDT Subject: [Coco] Anyone heard from Mary? and Rainbow Scana Message-ID: In a message dated 8/16/2008 3:53:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tonym at compusource.net writes: I haven't heard from Mary in a while. >Does anyone know of her whereabouts and if she's ok? > > Yeah - she probably would've jumped in as mediator days ago! My take: MUHAHAHAHAHAHA all those whom i need to put on my time out list ( i got a lot of emails to read and ears to pull) But alas never fear typo and grammatically challeneged mary is hear! hehe. I tell ya what would you boys do withought your momma's around! well darlin i tell ya i think a lot gets acomplished because lets see how many of these E-Zines have we put out. and i say WE in a big way cause everyone contributes. Not sure yet about the rainbow on disc project but i will have Mike fill me in on that later and then chew yall out individually as i see fit. (JUST KIDDING) (shes lying she is going to get local on yall run while you can) ((((((((((hugs))))))))) to you all and please feel free to contact me at Yahoo messenger or aol. oh and um its about time for me to start harrasing newsletter articles out of yall. .... ( right after i go read my yahoo mail and check forums) (she how guilty she is.... chewing yall out before she checks her facts) Mary **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From wdg3rd at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 02:34:55 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:34:55 +0000 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS Message-ID: <081820080634.23150.48A9180F0003D15800005A6E22092299270B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> I still have a couple of external modems (I prefer external to internal, the blinkenlights are a good diagnostic). Haven't fired them up in several years, the serial ports on the basementt Linux box are mostly used with uucp to backup my T6k and my 3B1. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net These histrionics were probably unnecessary, since there was no reason to think anybody would be watching us with more than casual interest until I made my first move to follow Buchanon's trail, in London. Still, somebody might check back this far later, and I always feel that if you're going to play a part, you might as well play it all the way, at least in public -- and it's hard to tell what's public and what isn't, these electronic days. Donald Hamilton, _The Devastators_, 1965 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Ron Bihler" > Boy, > I am not sure of any, that might be fun to setup again. (What and I saying > !!!) How many people even have old analog modem anymore? > > Ron Bihler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John T Chasteen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > > > > It's me again. > > Are there any BBS in operation now? > > That would make life really much easier for me > > if I would be able to download coco files on my > > coco3. It only cost a few dollars more to have unlimited long distance > > service > > > > John > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUn9fvyTWFM7YuOd018pzv3Hd6TS > qcYgbGDuo0O3rtaajf/ > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Aug 18 10:10:47 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Hundreds of old CoCo Disks - Followup In-Reply-To: <48A8F06D.1020007@cox.net> References: <48A8F06D.1020007@cox.net> Message-ID: <48A982E7.3020409@swbell.net> Andrew wrote: > All, > ... > I managed to convert over 95% of the floppies I received into virtual > .DSK format images. I created a CD image of these, with an HTML > linkage page for them. The remaining floppies I couldn't copy, I sent > to Tim to become a part of his images. > > I don't know the status of his portion of the project, but I consider > my end to be complete, with one caveat: > > I haven't been able to distribute the images to the community. > > Carey wanted this to occur - this was why he sent them to me and Tim, > not to preserve them for himself (though he did get a copy of the > images), but to preserve them for the community. I sincerely want to > honor his wishes, but I don't know what to do, so I am asking for any > and all advice and help. > > Basically, what it boils down to is that: > > a) I have created complete images of most of the disks I received > b) Some of these images contain software that I have reason to believe > are still being actively pursued by copyright holders for violations > c) I don't want to break up the archive > d) I don't have time or desire to attempt to weed out these possible > violations (some I know of, but there could be others lurking which I > have no idea about) > e) I have no desire to spend more time on this project beyond getting > the images distributed > Do you have a sense for how many of these files were originally non-distributable? Are there, for example, a bunch of Delphi downloads mixed in with commercial games? Granted, you don't want to break up the archive, but if there are things among that collection that can be ascertained to have been distributable back in the day (freeware, shareware, etc) certainly those things won't be controversial to make available now. I would be surprised if you couldn't find volunteers who would be willing to scan the archive for things that are known to be distributable and make them available on ftp.rtsi.com and/or the maltedmedia FTP site. I agree, it would only be a partial solution. But it would otherwise be uncontroversial, and at least would succeed in preserving some of what might otherwise be lost. Now, this is not an announcement, because I wouldn't want to be accused of starting something I didn't finish. But I have been working on a list of OS-9 files that were once hosted on Delphi. (Sadly, I didn't preserve lists of the CoCo RS-DOS files. If anyone has such a list, please let me know.) I have already posted the file lists on the CoCo wiki at coco25.com. What I've been doing is checking these lists against the present contents of ftp.rtsi.com and files from the the OS-9 Community Network, preserved by Bob D. I've got a simple HTML page with links to the FTP site at the moment. My plan is to integrate this with the Wiki, so that you can go find a file that was once hosted on Delphi, click on it, and download it from RTSI. And since it is a Wiki, the community can update it and fill it in, eventually perhaps recreating most of the contents of the long lost Delphi archives. So if this archive contains files that were downloaded from Delphi which aren't yet hosted online, they can be uploaded and cataloged on the Wiki. Then maybe somebody will accidentally leave a copy of the ISO in a folder that's shared on some P2P network... Also, check back over this list. On the morning of the 15th there was a post that sounded like an extranational offer to host... JCE > I was attempting to find an individual or someone outside the USA who > could host the CD ISO for me on an FTP server in another country, and > my name would not be on the release. But that doesn't look likely to > occur. I don't want to host it myself, but I don't know what to do or > where to turn, except to the community, to figure out what to do with it. > > I am not even sure whether I should "name names" as to who the most > likely copyright holder who would pursue legal action even is (did > that even make sense?)... > > I humbly ask for your help and advice - I will reply/respond as I have > time. Thank you... > > -- Andrew L Ayers, Glendale, Arizona > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From dml_68 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 11:11:42 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Anyone heard from Mary? and Rainbow Scana In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <38279.36960.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's always good to have you back active and keeping us boys in line Mary. I still have the newsletter submissions here for your next newsletter. Derek ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Nuxie at aol.com wrote: From: Nuxie at aol.com Subject: Re: [Coco] Anyone heard from Mary? and Rainbow Scana To: coco at maltedmedia.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 10:57 PM In a message dated 8/16/2008 3:53:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tonym at compusource.net writes: I haven't heard from Mary in a while. >Does anyone know of her whereabouts and if she's ok? > > Yeah - she probably would've jumped in as mediator days ago! My take: MUHAHAHAHAHAHA all those whom i need to put on my time out list ( i got a lot of emails to read and ears to pull) But alas never fear typo and grammatically challeneged mary is hear! hehe. I tell ya what would you boys do withought your momma's around! well darlin i tell ya i think a lot gets acomplished because lets see how many of these E-Zines have we put out. and i say WE in a big way cause everyone contributes. Not sure yet about the rainbow on disc project but i will have Mike fill me in on that later and then chew yall out individually as i see fit. (JUST KIDDING) (shes lying she is going to get local on yall run while you can) ((((((((((hugs))))))))) to you all and please feel free to contact me at Yahoo messenger or aol. oh and um its about time for me to start harrasing newsletter articles out of yall. .... ( right after i go read my yahoo mail and check forums) (she how guilty she is.... chewing yall out before she checks her facts) Mary **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 11:16:50 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Share file links on list or not? In-Reply-To: <48A8F06D.1020007@cox.net> Message-ID: <402938.33507.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just want to get some feedback here. I have my coco file archives online and ready for download. I have split the archives into 2 Sets Software and Magazines, Documents 1GB in Software and 6.5 GB in Documents, so now I need to know if I should share the links on the list or if it will cause problems. This is all stuff I have collected online and converted from disks the last 10+ years. I respect the group enough to ask 1st and I hope the replies I get will remain civil. Thank you, Derek From bear at bears.org Mon Aug 18 13:00:34 2008 From: bear at bears.org (Gary) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Share file links on list or not? In-Reply-To: <402938.33507.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <402938.33507.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Derek wrote: > and Magazines, Documents 1GB in Software and 6.5 GB in Documents, so now > I need to know if I should share the links on the list or if it will Derek, Even if you end up not sharing the items on the list, I would be interested in access if you're keeping a list. Thanks! I get right nostalgic for my first machine, you know? Peace, Gary From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Mon Aug 18 13:12:13 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:12:13 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Share file links on list or not? Message-ID: <20080818.121213.2976.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> If share off-line, I would like to access the the site John On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Gary writes: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Derek wrote: > > > and Magazines, Documents 1GB in Software and 6.5 GB in Documents, > so now > > I need to know if I should share the links on the list or if it > will > > Derek, > > Even if you end up not sharing the items on the list, I would be > interested in access if you're keeping a list. Thanks! I get right > > nostalgic for my first machine, you know? > > Peace, > Gary > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > ____________________________________________________________ Gain financial freedom! Click here for Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2fnXHqIrTqgdnMSChgwEfVJNCQrblXmNQ4Eq1Md4jeBkYJ/ From adit at nationsdial.com Mon Aug 18 15:21:09 2008 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:21:09 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Super Color Writer II Message-ID: Does Anybody know who did "Super Color Writer II"? I just finished editing it for inclusion in the CoCO/OS9 Archive, but I can't find a company name in the manual. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Dean From os9dude at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 15:40:58 2008 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:40:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Super Color Writer II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5631e580808181240g7c782da7k96df76408d3d7858@mail.gmail.com> Super Color Writer II was written by Tim Nelson and marketed by Softlaw Corporation of Minneapolis Minnesota... this of course from an ad in a October 1983 Rainbow mag. Soon after by 1984 the suite of applications was renamed to VIP... -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Dean Leiber wrote: > > Does Anybody know who did "Super Color Writer II"? I just finished editing > it for inclusion in the CoCO/OS9 Archive, but I can't find a company name in > the manual. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Dean From adit at nationsdial.com Mon Aug 18 15:41:29 2008 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:41:29 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo magazines & Other Documentation Message-ID: For those interested, there is a project already on going to archive CoCo/OS-9 documentation, the CoCo/OS-9 Documentation Project (www.os9projects.com.) These will give you a pretty good idea what has already been archived. For those who don't know, this is the DVD set which Glenside has been offering at the CoCoFESTs. If you have already scanned magazines, etc. for your own use, please contact me so it can be included in the archive. Also, if anyone is doing a similar project (say archiving DSK images, etc.) please drop me a line;it would probably be a good idea to coordinate stuff a little so work isn't duplicated. I would eventually like to 'fold' the documentation project with a DSK archive so that we have everything together. Dean Leiber From neilsmorr at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 15:54:15 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Hundreds of old CoCo Disks - Followup In-Reply-To: <48A982E7.3020409@swbell.net> References: <48A8F06D.1020007@cox.net> <48A982E7.3020409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <93f331ac0808181254r62629f4ag2634dd46649f84b4@mail.gmail.com> " (Sadly, I didn't preserve lists of the CoCo RS-DOS files. If anyone has such a list, please let me know.) I have already posted the file lists on the CoCo wiki at coco25.com." I not only have the lists, I have (almost) all of the files as well. Neil From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 15:57:17 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm going to be deleting these from Rapidshare sometime soon so grab em while you can. --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" wrote: > > Hmmm... I forgot I had scanned two of these. > > I originally scanned them for a magazine project over 4 years ago but > since that is officially canceled... > http://rapidshare.com/files/137676377/ColorComputerMagazineMarch1983.pdf.html > http://rapidshare.com/files/137677867/ColorComputerMagazineApril1983.pdf.html > From adit at nationsdial.com Mon Aug 18 16:31:37 2008 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:31:37 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Super Color Writer II In-Reply-To: <5631e580808181240g7c782da7k96df76408d3d7858@mail.gmail.com> References: <5631e580808181240g7c782da7k96df76408d3d7858@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8847E708-4667-437B-91A6-ED93F7427F9D@nationsdial.com> On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Rogelio Perea wrote: > Super Color Writer II was written by Tim Nelson and marketed by > Softlaw > Corporation of Minneapolis Minnesota... this of course from an ad in a > October 1983 Rainbow mag. > > Soon after by 1984 the suite of applications was renamed to VIP... > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- Thanks! Now I know which directory to file it away in! Dean From fwp at deepthought.com Mon Aug 18 17:27:46 2008 From: fwp at deepthought.com (Frank Pittel) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Coco] CoCo magazines & Other Documentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080818212745.GA22506@warlock.deepthought.com> I just wanted to mention that I have the 5 dvd set of documentation and love it. I've caught myself spending hours browsing through the disks. Frank On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:41:29PM -0700, Dean Leiber wrote: > > For those interested, there is a project already on going to archive > CoCo/OS-9 documentation, the CoCo/OS-9 Documentation Project > (www.os9projects.com.) These will give you a pretty good idea what has > already been archived. > For those who don't know, this is the DVD set which Glenside has been > offering at the CoCoFESTs. If you have already scanned magazines, etc. for > your own use, please contact me so it can be included in the archive. > > > Also, if anyone is doing a similar project (say archiving DSK images, etc.) > please drop me a line;it would probably be a good idea to coordinate stuff > a little so work isn't duplicated. I would eventually like to 'fold' the > documentation project with a DSK archive so that we have everything > together. > > Dean Leiber > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From neilsmorr at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 16:48:52 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:48:52 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: Share file links on list or not? References: <402938.33507.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <036501c90175$03253020$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Post them on the Rainbow Archive list in the links sections. Neil http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowArchive/links ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" > Just want to get some feedback here. I have my coco file archives online > and ready for download. I have split the archives into 2 Sets Software and > Magazines, Documents 1GB in Software and 6.5 GB in Documents, so now I > need to know if I should share the links on the list or if it will cause > problems. This is all stuff I have collected online and converted from > disks the last 10+ years. I respect the group enough to ask 1st and I hope > the replies I get will remain civil. > > Thank you, > Derek From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Mon Aug 18 17:08:42 2008 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:08:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Whoa! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808181708.42526.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Hi Mary, Heh... boys will be boys I guess (I know cause I am one of them) Glad you are still with us. I really love your newsletter. Now for anyone willing to entertain a suggestion. How about using that energy, wasted in the foregoing copywrite debate, to write and to submit useful articles to Mary's newsletter. Please. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 17:23:06 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Revised Share file links on list or not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <27571.53031.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If folks want the links just send me an off list e-mail. That is the best way to avoid trouble.? Thanks for the kind response I have gotten via e-mail so far. Derek From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Mon Aug 18 17:30:26 2008 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS & MM/1 In-Reply-To: <48A89D93.7030809@swbell.net> References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A89D93.7030809@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200808181730.26415.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> > Only Amiga OS-9 programs would have been feasible. And Amiga OS-9 is > more rare than the MM/1 itself, I think. And I think it didn't have a > window system, so there wouldn't have been much thrill there. I do > remember the original IMS flyer advertising that it would be faster than > an Amiga. Well. Faster than some Amigas. > Not only is it rare, but is/was damned expensive (around $450 or so). I looked into it when I still had an operating Miggy. I actually called Microware (that should put some time perspective on this) and they stated that they no longer supported it and that (they thought) it could still be acquired from a source in Australia. The price stopped any further investigation on my part. $450 is a bit steep for a hobby. From grumpyx at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 17:37:04 2008 From: grumpyx at gmail.com (Grumpyx) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:37:04 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Revised Share file links on list or not? In-Reply-To: <27571.53031.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <27571.53031.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The list has gotten crazy lately, thanks for helping to preserve the coco. Please send me the links. Thanks! Malcom On 8/18/08, Derek wrote: > > If folks want the links just send me an off list e-mail. That is the best > way to avoid trouble. Thanks for the kind response I have gotten via e-mail > so far. > > Derek > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 18 18:23:58 2008 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:23:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <48A9F67E.9050508@sbcglobal.net> Ron, Back when I used to own a MM/1, I converted RIBBS to the MM/1 and renamed it KRIBBS, since it used KWindows. When I sold my MM/1 all of the source code went with it. I sold the whole thing to Dave Kelly. John Donaldson Ron Bihler wrote: > Ok, > So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some > research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's > of passon and opionons make it very interesting. > > So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced and > only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of my > interest is in what happened to RiBBS, sorry to hear Warren Hrach has > passed as he was such a big help to me. The best testing I even had. > Funny I can still here the Phone calls, Ron ! you know that last > update ! Not so good ! and then he would detail what was wrong. He > didn't have programming backround, but he was the best with the details. > > I had passed all the code to a person in Canada for an MM1 port, all > these details are lost. I did look at the coco about 8 years back, > and the HD was dead and many of the floppies I used had so many errors > that they would not work. All my work was lost - in more way than one. > > Anyway, how long did the MM1 continue? > Does anyone have RiBBS code, might try to see it again on Emulation? > Most of the information was on Compuserve - how things have changed. > Can anyone recall the person involved with the MM1 doing the port - > not sure if it even was finished. He was located in Canada. > How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under > emulation? > > Anyway I am a bit older, might be smarter, but have way less time :) > > Too bad the Hero 2000 was not a 6809 as that would make it more fun :) > > Ron Bihler > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Aug 18 19:28:18 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:28:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808181928.18539.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 18 August 2008, James Diffendaffer wrote: >I'm going to be deleting these from Rapidshare sometime soon so grab >em while you can. > >--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" > > wrote: >> Hmmm... I forgot I had scanned two of these. >> >> I originally scanned them for a magazine project over 4 years ago but >> since that is officially canceled... > >http://rapidshare.com/files/137676377/ColorComputerMagazineMarch1983.pdf.htm >l > >http://rapidshare.com/files/137677867/ColorComputerMagazineApril1983.pdf.htm >l Thanks James. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Perl will always provide the null. -- Larry Wall in <199801151818.KAA14538 at wall.org> From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Aug 18 19:33:55 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:33:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS & MM/1 In-Reply-To: <200808181730.26415.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A89D93.7030809@swbell.net> <200808181730.26415.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <200808181933.55872.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 18 August 2008, richec wrote: > > >> Only Amiga OS-9 programs would have been feasible. And Amiga OS-9 is >> more rare than the MM/1 itself, I think. And I think it didn't have a >> window system, so there wouldn't have been much thrill there. I do >> remember the original IMS flyer advertising that it would be faster than >> an Amiga. Well. Faster than some Amigas. > > > >Not only is it rare, but is/was damned expensive (around $450 or so). I > looked into it when I still had an operating Miggy. I actually called > Microware (that should put some time perspective on this) and they stated > that they no longer supported it and that (they thought) it could still be > acquired from a source in Australia. The price stopped any further > investigation on my part. $450 is a bit steep for a hobby. > Yes, that was from Digby Tarvan, and the price was set by Microware at $660 due to the licensing royalties when I checked way back then. I've since conversed with him over another project, and his sales were best described as "what sale?". So he took a bath on it, but wasn't bitter about it. I believe he has a comp-sci chair at some Aussie university. They may have absorbed it FAIK. >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Perl will always provide the null. -- Larry Wall in <199801151818.KAA14538 at wall.org> From rbihler at msn.com Mon Aug 18 20:41:36 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:41:36 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A9F67E.9050508@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thanks, So the bread crumbs continue. Anyone know Charles West in Oklahoma? I passed the code to him. Was KRiBBS shareware as well? Is there a MM/1 Emulator since I will never see one of them. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Donaldson" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > Ron, > Back when I used to own a MM/1, I converted RIBBS to the MM/1 and > renamed it KRIBBS, since it used KWindows. When I sold my MM/1 all of the > source code went with it. I sold the whole thing to Dave Kelly. > > John Donaldson > > > Ron Bihler wrote: > >> Ok, >> So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some >> research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's of >> passon and opionons make it very interesting. >> >> So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced and >> only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of my >> interest is in what happened to RiBBS, sorry to hear Warren Hrach has >> passed as he was such a big help to me. The best testing I even had. >> Funny I can still here the Phone calls, Ron ! you know that last update ! >> Not so good ! and then he would detail what was wrong. He didn't have >> programming backround, but he was the best with the details. >> >> I had passed all the code to a person in Canada for an MM1 port, all >> these details are lost. I did look at the coco about 8 years back, and >> the HD was dead and many of the floppies I used had so many errors that >> they would not work. All my work was lost - in more way than one. >> >> Anyway, how long did the MM1 continue? >> Does anyone have RiBBS code, might try to see it again on Emulation? >> Most of the information was on Compuserve - how things have changed. >> Can anyone recall the person involved with the MM1 doing the port - not >> sure if it even was finished. He was located in Canada. >> How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under >> emulation? >> >> Anyway I am a bit older, might be smarter, but have way less time :) >> >> Too bad the Hero 2000 was not a 6809 as that would make it more fun :) >> >> Ron Bihler >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 20:48:56 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:48:56 +1000 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au><48A9F67E.9050508@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <006c01c90195$5e5196d0$0701a8c0@master> Ron Bihler wrote: > Is there a MM/1 Emulator since I will never see one of them. Even though I *do* own an MM/1, I'd still love to see an emulator. Sadly I haven't heard of one yet. Perhaps the user base was (is) too small for it to become a reality? KRiBBS must have been shareware. I have a copy here (no source AFAIK). I don't remember where I got it, although it could have been John Donaldson. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > Thanks, > So the bread crumbs continue. > > Anyone know Charles West in Oklahoma? I passed the code to him. > > Was KRiBBS shareware as well? Is there a MM/1 Emulator since I will never > see one of them. > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Donaldson" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > > >> Ron, >> Back when I used to own a MM/1, I converted RIBBS to the MM/1 and >> renamed it KRIBBS, since it used KWindows. When I sold my MM/1 all of the >> source code went with it. I sold the whole thing to Dave Kelly. >> >> John Donaldson >> >> >> Ron Bihler wrote: >> >>> Ok, >>> So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing some >>> research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. Lot's of >>> passon and opionons make it very interesting. >>> >>> So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced and >>> only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of my >>> interest is in what happened to RiBBS, sorry to hear Warren Hrach has >>> passed as he was such a big help to me. The best testing I even had. >>> Funny I can still here the Phone calls, Ron ! you know that last update >>> ! Not so good ! and then he would detail what was wrong. He didn't >>> have programming backround, but he was the best with the details. >>> >>> I had passed all the code to a person in Canada for an MM1 port, all >>> these details are lost. I did look at the coco about 8 years back, and >>> the HD was dead and many of the floppies I used had so many errors that >>> they would not work. All my work was lost - in more way than one. >>> >>> Anyway, how long did the MM1 continue? >>> Does anyone have RiBBS code, might try to see it again on Emulation? >>> Most of the information was on Compuserve - how things have changed. >>> Can anyone recall the person involved with the MM1 doing the port - not >>> sure if it even was finished. He was located in Canada. >>> How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under >>> emulation? >>> >>> Anyway I am a bit older, might be smarter, but have way less time :) >>> >>> Too bad the Hero 2000 was not a 6809 as that would make it more fun :) >>> >>> Ron Bihler >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 18 22:17:59 2008 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:17:59 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS In-Reply-To: <006c01c90195$5e5196d0$0701a8c0@master> References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au><48A9F67E.9050508@sbcglobal.net> <006c01c90195$5e5196d0$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <48AA2D57.7060008@sbcglobal.net> Yep KRIBBS was shareware. I gave out copies at the COCOFest in Chaicago. I also wrote KTerm for David Graham. It was also based on KWindows. He sold a bunch of copies of it. KTerm had sound effects for things like "You Got Mail" and etc. In fact I used KTerm to test out KRIBBS. John Donaldson Bob Devries wrote: > Ron Bihler wrote: > >> Is there a MM/1 Emulator since I will never see one of them. > > > Even though I *do* own an MM/1, I'd still love to see an emulator. > Sadly I haven't heard of one yet. Perhaps the user base was (is) too > small for it to become a reality? > > KRiBBS must have been shareware. I have a copy here (no source AFAIK). > I don't remember where I got it, although it could have been John > Donaldson. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bihler" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS > > >> Thanks, >> So the bread crumbs continue. >> >> Anyone know Charles West in Oklahoma? I passed the code to him. >> >> Was KRiBBS shareware as well? Is there a MM/1 Emulator since I will >> never see one of them. >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Donaldson" >> >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS >> >> >>> Ron, >>> Back when I used to own a MM/1, I converted RIBBS to the MM/1 and >>> renamed it KRIBBS, since it used KWindows. When I sold my MM/1 all >>> of the source code went with it. I sold the whole thing to Dave Kelly. >>> >>> John Donaldson >>> >>> >>> Ron Bihler wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, >>>> So I have been sucked back into the Coco Community. After doing >>>> some research I can't beleive the following is as strong as it is. >>>> Lot's of passon and opionons make it very interesting. >>>> >>>> So can someone update me, when I left the MM1 was being intoduced >>>> and only a few of the first editions where being released. Much of >>>> my interest is in what happened to RiBBS, sorry to hear Warren >>>> Hrach has passed as he was such a big help to me. The best testing >>>> I even had. Funny I can still here the Phone calls, Ron ! you know >>>> that last update ! Not so good ! and then he would detail what was >>>> wrong. He didn't have programming backround, but he was the best >>>> with the details. >>>> >>>> I had passed all the code to a person in Canada for an MM1 port, >>>> all these details are lost. I did look at the coco about 8 years >>>> back, and the HD was dead and many of the floppies I used had so >>>> many errors that they would not work. All my work was lost - in >>>> more way than one. >>>> >>>> Anyway, how long did the MM1 continue? >>>> Does anyone have RiBBS code, might try to see it again on >>>> Emulation? Most of the information was on Compuserve - how things >>>> have changed. >>>> Can anyone recall the person involved with the MM1 doing the port - >>>> not sure if it even was finished. He was located in Canada. >>>> How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under >>>> emulation? >>>> >>>> Anyway I am a bit older, might be smarter, but have way less time :) >>>> >>>> Too bad the Hero 2000 was not a 6809 as that would make it more fun :) >>>> >>>> Ron Bihler >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > -- From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Aug 18 22:47:28 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS, 68K OS-9 in emulation In-Reply-To: References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A9F67E.9050508@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48AA3440.40102@swbell.net> Ron Bihler wrote: > Thanks, > So the bread crumbs continue. > > Anyone know Charles West in Oklahoma? I passed the code to him. > > Was KRiBBS shareware as well? Is there a MM/1 Emulator since I will > never see one of them. > > Ron > ... Now Ron, if you had read every single word I wrote in one of my previous posts, you wouldn't have to ask this question! :) I know, I'm way too verbose... " >>How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under >> emulation? >> >6809 (Nitr)OS-9 works great on a CoCo emulator. > >To the best of my knowledge, there is no emulator that will run >OS-9/68K. I tried to boot Personal OS-9 for the Atari ST on several >different Atari emulators, but no joy. Even ARANYM, which runs >Debian-m68K won't boot it. Bob Devries (I think) says that Atari OS-9 >actually makes use of the Atari ROM code, which one would think would >insulate it further from the underlying hardware and make it even less >machine-dependent. Maybe I'm just not using the proper ROM images. > >Somebody has made a CD-i emulator for MS-Windows, but it only runs some >of the games (last time I tried it) and is cripple-ware. " So there you have it, FWIW. Seriously, I would love to see some kind of emulator that can run OS-9/68K. It really wouldn't have to faithfully emulate the hardware of any particular 68K computer exactly in order to run most OS-9 programs. Somebody might need to develop a few OS-9 driver modules for the emulated hardware. I think that an Atari emulator like ARANYM would be a very good start. As I mentioned above, it runs Linux for crying out loud, it shouldn't be too difficult to get OS-9 running on it. And the Atari version of OS-9 is actually not made of pure unobtanium. The video modes supported by ARANYM are better than what the MM/1 could do, and I'm sure there are modes that correspond to most of the MM/1 modes commonly used in KWindows. After OS-9 is running on the emulator in some fashion, bits of the emulation code could be replaced one piece at a time by emulated hardware that looks and works more like the MM/1 (or the MM/1b / AT306) if you wanted an emulation more faithful to the hardware. And once you've done that, it wouldn't be hard at all to turn it into a CD-i emulator. And there would be considerably more interest in that than the MM/1. I would think that BBS software would be a great candidate for running on an Atari OS-9 emulator, though it sounds from some of the other posts like at least one version of your software was modified to use KWindows, so that might have to wait until somebody ported that to ARANYM or made the ARANYM video code compatible with the 66470 VSC. I really think that something like ARANYM or MESS would be a good starting point. JCE From theother_bob at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 22:47:32 2008 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Magazine sharing website Message-ID: <359200.2001.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well sometimes you find what you need just when you need it... http://www.mygazines.com/ "What is Mygazines? Mygazines is your free place to browse, share, archive and customize unlimited magazine articles uploaded by you, the Mygazines community." This is an offshore (or similar) website, and as you can see, copyrights are apparently not a big deal there. Far as I'm concerned, I hope every CoCo magazine ever published gets posted online for free. I applaud Michael's efforts to bring us a legal archive, but it seems like even from the grave Lonnie has screwed the community in order to protect "his baby'. It stopped needing that kind of protection over a decade ago for crying out loud. Peace, Bob From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Aug 18 23:03:22 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:03:22 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Hundreds of old CoCo Disks - Followup In-Reply-To: <93f331ac0808181254r62629f4ag2634dd46649f84b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <48A8F06D.1020007@cox.net> <48A982E7.3020409@swbell.net> <93f331ac0808181254r62629f4ag2634dd46649f84b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AA37FA.60606@swbell.net> Neil Morrison wrote: > " (Sadly, I didn't preserve lists of the CoCo RS-DOS files. If anyone > has such a list, > please let me know.) I have already posted the file lists on the CoCo > wiki at coco25.com." > > I not only have the lists, I have (almost) all of the files as well. > > Ooh! Care to share? When I get some time I'll put up my incomplete RTSI links on the Wiki site. If we could get your DECB lists up there as well we could start figuring out which ones are already out there, and then just fill in files from your collection. Of course, since it's a Wiki, other people can help, and it can all be done entirely as people feel like it. JCE > Neil > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From theother_bob at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 23:21:11 2008 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans Message-ID: <887712.22191.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those are awesome... the two issues prior to my first CoCo magazine ever, TCCM May'83. It was several months later before I discovered the Rainbow at a mall bookstore. I always liked TCCM better than Rainbow; it just seemed more community oriented as opposed to the Rainbow's larger but more impersonal (corporate?) feel. It always stuck in my craw that when TCCM was discontinued I never got the last issue (or three?) despite being a paid subscriber. They sent Personal Computing or some other garbage instead. Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: James Diffendaffer To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:57:17 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans I'm going to be deleting these from Rapidshare sometime soon so grab em while you can. --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" wrote: > > Hmmm... I forgot I had scanned two of these. > > I originally scanned them for a magazine project over 4 years ago but > since that is officially canceled... > http://rapidshare.com/files/137676377/ColorComputerMagazineMarch1983.pdf.html > http://rapidshare.com/files/137677867/ColorComputerMagazineApril1983.pdf.html > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From rbihler at msn.com Mon Aug 18 23:24:58 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:24:58 -0600 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS, 68K OS-9 in emulation References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A9F67E.9050508@sbcglobal.net> <48AA3440.40102@swbell.net> Message-ID: I may have missed a word or two (Grin). Even more to the problem is I have been out of this soo long that much of the terminology is greek to me :) (ARANYM) (Debian-m68K) etc I had left before Nitros9 was out (Very nice I must say) and some of the other hardware bling bling. I haven't figured out how to boot directly to Nitros9 HD yet thought in VCC. More reading in order!!! Anyway after a weekend of digging into Coco History and some of the other machine - history - Plus a bunch of good emails I am starting to get back up to speed. I see I have more work ahead of me. Thanks It's been fun, when is the next Coco fest? - I don't see that in your Email - Big :) Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Ewy" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS, 68K OS-9 in emulation > Ron Bihler wrote: >> Thanks, >> So the bread crumbs continue. >> >> Anyone know Charles West in Oklahoma? I passed the code to him. >> >> Was KRiBBS shareware as well? Is there a MM/1 Emulator since I will >> never see one of them. >> >> Ron >> ... > > Now Ron, if you had read every single word I wrote in one of my previous > posts, you wouldn't have to ask this question! :) I know, I'm way too > verbose... > > " > >>>How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under >>> emulation? >>> > >>6809 (Nitr)OS-9 works great on a CoCo emulator. >> >>To the best of my knowledge, there is no emulator that will run >>OS-9/68K. I tried to boot Personal OS-9 for the Atari ST on several >>different Atari emulators, but no joy. Even ARANYM, which runs >>Debian-m68K won't boot it. Bob Devries (I think) says that Atari OS-9 >>actually makes use of the Atari ROM code, which one would think would >>insulate it further from the underlying hardware and make it even less >>machine-dependent. Maybe I'm just not using the proper ROM images. >> >>Somebody has made a CD-i emulator for MS-Windows, but it only runs some >>of the games (last time I tried it) and is cripple-ware. > > " > > So there you have it, FWIW. > > Seriously, I would love to see some kind of emulator that can run > OS-9/68K. It really wouldn't have to faithfully emulate the hardware of > any particular 68K computer exactly in order to run most OS-9 programs. > Somebody might need to develop a few OS-9 driver modules for the emulated > hardware. I think that an Atari emulator like ARANYM would be a very good > start. As I mentioned above, it runs Linux for crying out loud, it > shouldn't be too difficult to get OS-9 running on it. And the Atari > version of OS-9 is actually not made of pure unobtanium. The video modes > supported by ARANYM are better than what the MM/1 could do, and I'm sure > there are modes that correspond to most of the MM/1 modes commonly used in > KWindows. After OS-9 is running on the emulator in some fashion, bits of > the emulation code could be replaced one piece at a time by emulated > hardware that looks and works more like the MM/1 (or the MM/1b / AT306) if > you wanted an emulation more faithful to the hardwar > e. And once you've done that, it wouldn't be hard at all to turn it into > a CD-i emulator. And there would be considerably more interest in that > than the MM/1. > > I would think that BBS software would be a great candidate for running on > an Atari OS-9 emulator, though it sounds from some of the other posts like > at least one version of your software was modified to use KWindows, so > that might have to wait until somebody ported that to ARANYM or made the > ARANYM video code compatible with the 66470 VSC. > > I really think that something like ARANYM or MESS would be a good starting > point. > > JCE > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From neilsmorr at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 23:19:36 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:19:36 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Hundreds of old CoCo Disks - Followup References: <48A8F06D.1020007@cox.net><48A982E7.3020409@swbell.net><93f331ac0808181254r62629f4ag2634dd46649f84b4@mail.gmail.com> <48AA37FA.60606@swbell.net> Message-ID: <048d01c901ab$c6b9cab0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> I just need to find them. IIRC I archived them to CD or DVD. One of far too many CDs and DVDs! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Ewy" > Neil Morrison wrote: >> I not only have the lists, I have (almost) all of the files as well. >> >> > Ooh! Care to share? > > When I get some time I'll put up my incomplete RTSI links on the Wiki > site. If we could get your DECB lists up there as well we could start > figuring out which ones are already out there, and then just fill in > files from your collection. Of course, since it's a Wiki, other people > can help, and it can all be done entirely as people feel like it. > > JCE From jcewy at swbell.net Mon Aug 18 23:47:39 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:47:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] RiBBS, 68K OS-9 in emulation In-Reply-To: References: <1238727C-AE7C-49B4-818F-D20B434D3D82@boisypitre.com> <48A76EA6.6030607@iinet.net.au> <48A9F67E.9050508@sbcglobal.net> <48AA3440.40102@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48AA425B.9090709@swbell.net> Ron Bihler wrote: > > I may have missed a word or two (Grin). Even more to the problem is I > have been out of this soo long that much of the terminology is greek > to me :) (ARANYM) (Debian-m68K) etc Yeah, and those references really aren't directly CoCo-related anyway. ARANYM is an Atari emulator. Atari Running on ANY Machine. Debian-m68K is a port of the Debian operating system (an OS built around the Linux kernel) to the Motorola 68K (68000) series processors. The MM/1, the MM/1b, and the Frank Hogg Labs TC-70 all sported processors based on the Motorola 68000, as did the Atari ST series of computers, the Amiga line and the Macintoshes of the time. And nearly everybody else that wasn't a PC clone. Linux for the 68000-series processors will only run on a 68020 with PMMU and FPU, a 68030 with FPU, or a full 68040 or 68060 processor. So the ARANYM emulator emulates an Atari-like computer with 68020+MMU+FPU, can boot Linux, and in fact is used to build Debian packages. The CoCo has a 6809 processor, or a retrofit 6309 and runs the 6809 version of OS-9. The MM/1 has a processor based on the 68000 (not capable of running Linux (except potentially uCLinux)) and runs the 68000 version of OS-9, AKA OS-9/68K. The only reason I brought up ARANYM and Debian is that ARANYM seems like something that's already tantalyzingly close to being capable of running OS-9/68K. Maybe it even can with a little tweaking! > I had left before Nitros9 was out (Very nice I must say) and some of > the other hardware bling bling. I haven't figured out how to boot > directly to Nitros9 HD yet thought in VCC. More reading in order!!! > > Anyway after a weekend of digging into Coco History and some of the > other machine - history - Plus a bunch of good emails I am starting to > get back up to speed. I see I have more work ahead of me. > I never get tired of the CoCo. Have fun! JCE > Thanks > It's been fun, when is the next Coco fest? - I don't see that in your > Email - Big :) > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Ewy" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] RiBBS, 68K OS-9 in emulation > > >> Ron Bihler wrote: >>> Thanks, >>> So the bread crumbs continue. >>> >>> Anyone know Charles West in Oklahoma? I passed the code to him. >>> >>> Was KRiBBS shareware as well? Is there a MM/1 Emulator since I will >>> never see one of them. >>> >>> Ron >>> ... >> >> Now Ron, if you had read every single word I wrote in one of my previous >> posts, you wouldn't have to ask this question! :) I know, I'm way too >> verbose... >> >> " >> >>>> How well does OS9 or Nitro9 what I gather the new update work under >>>> emulation? >>>> >> >>> 6809 (Nitr)OS-9 works great on a CoCo emulator. >>> >>> To the best of my knowledge, there is no emulator that will run >>> OS-9/68K. I tried to boot Personal OS-9 for the Atari ST on several >>> different Atari emulators, but no joy. Even ARANYM, which runs >>> Debian-m68K won't boot it. Bob Devries (I think) says that Atari OS-9 >>> actually makes use of the Atari ROM code, which one would think would >>> insulate it further from the underlying hardware and make it even less >>> machine-dependent. Maybe I'm just not using the proper ROM images. >>> >>> Somebody has made a CD-i emulator for MS-Windows, but it only runs some >>> of the games (last time I tried it) and is cripple-ware. >> >> " >> >> So there you have it, FWIW. >> >> Seriously, I would love to see some kind of emulator that can run >> OS-9/68K. It really wouldn't have to faithfully emulate the hardware >> of any particular 68K computer exactly in order to run most OS-9 >> programs. Somebody might need to develop a few OS-9 driver modules >> for the emulated hardware. I think that an Atari emulator like >> ARANYM would be a very good start. As I mentioned above, it runs >> Linux for crying out loud, it shouldn't be too difficult to get OS-9 >> running on it. And the Atari version of OS-9 is actually not made of >> pure unobtanium. The video modes supported by ARANYM are better than >> what the MM/1 could do, and I'm sure there are modes that correspond >> to most of the MM/1 modes commonly used in KWindows. After OS-9 is >> running on the emulator in some fashion, bits of the emulation code >> could be replaced one piece at a time by emulated hardware that looks >> and works more like the MM/1 (or the MM/1b / AT306) if you wanted an >> emulation more faithful to the hardwar >> e. And once you've done that, it wouldn't be hard at all to turn it >> into a CD-i emulator. And there would be considerably more interest >> in that than the MM/1. >> >> I would think that BBS software would be a great candidate for >> running on an Atari OS-9 emulator, though it sounds from some of the >> other posts like at least one version of your software was modified >> to use KWindows, so that might have to wait until somebody ported >> that to ARANYM or made the ARANYM video code compatible with the >> 66470 VSC. >> >> I really think that something like ARANYM or MESS would be a good >> starting point. >> >> JCE >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From adit at nationsdial.com Tue Aug 19 01:15:53 2008 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:53 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo magazines & Other Documentation In-Reply-To: <20080818212745.GA22506@warlock.deepthought.com> References: <20080818212745.GA22506@warlock.deepthought.com> Message-ID: <84C46CC8-77DD-4690-8165-F33C0204B03E@nationsdial.com> On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Frank Pittel wrote: > I just wanted to mention that I have the 5 dvd set of documentation > and love it. I've caught myself spending hours browsing through the > disks. > > Frank Frank, I'm glad someone is enjoying it! 5 DVDs and growing. :-D. I hope someone somewhere has their scanners humming since I've just about run out of stuff to scan here! Dean From eternyl_bliss at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 01:48:35 2008 From: eternyl_bliss at yahoo.com (Erik Ames) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] WANTED: Looking for a few CoCo items Message-ID: <866075.47675.qm@web52411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Greetings- I am looking for the following items to help complete my CoCo collection: This is probably the most important! I hate the Tandy joysticks!! - Someone to build me an adapter or mod an Nindendo (NES) controller to use on the CoCo. I can supply the controller and old CoCo joystick for the pin adapter end. I am not electronic smart to do this (laughs) - prefer to have 2 done - one for backup (name price for your time/efforts or can do trade deal for software I own probably 90% of what was out there) - Adapter to play Diecom's Iron Forest with the light gun. Was it an adapter for the Sega Master System Phaser gun or was it a modded pin adapter end on the Sega gun? (name price for your time/efforts or can do trade deal for software I own probably 90% of what was out there) - Digitizer hardware / Ears Hardware - anything have any of this? - This is a shot in the dark (and probably not good timing due to recent debates...) but I am also looking for: (name price - or can do trade deal for software I own probably 90% of what was out there) Rainbow Magazines: (originals preferably in decent/good shape - no copies) MAY 1983 SEPT 1991 > TO LAST ISSUE Hot CoCo Magazines ( (originals preferably in decent/good shape - no copies) JULY1983 AUGUST1983 SEPTEMBER1983 OCTOBER1983 DECEMBER1983 SEPTEMBER1984 OCTOBER1984 JANUARY1985 FEBRUARY1985 MARCH1985 APRIL1985 MAY1985 JULY1985 OCTOBER1985 DECEMBER1985 > TO LAST ISSUE Color Computer Magazines? (originals preferably in decent/good shape - no copies) MARCH1983 APRIL1983 MAY1983 JUNE1983 NOVEMBER1994 > TO LAST ISSUE I have the following Color Computer magazines I can do a trade with: NOVEMBER1983 (TAPE ON COVER) JANUARY1984 (GOOD) FEBRUARY1984 (COVER HAS TEARS) APRIL1984 (GOOD) Thanks!!! Erik From flexser at fiu.edu Tue Aug 19 01:49:42 2008 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: <887712.22191.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, theother_bob wrote: > It was several months later before I discovered the Rainbow at a mall bookstore. > I always liked TCCM better than Rainbow; it just seemed more community oriented > as opposed to the Rainbow's larger but more impersonal (corporate?) feel. > > It always stuck in my craw that when TCCM was discontinued I never got the > last issue (or three?) despite being a paid subscriber. They sent Personal > Computing or some other garbage instead. > > Bob I never felt that way about Rainbow vs. TCCM. Rainbow had its own personal feel, to me. Plus, they provided the CoCo community with a unique service in organizing Rainbowfest, truly a labor of love in my opinion, and a chance for the CoCo community to get together on a face-to-face basis. Say what you will about Lonnie's corporate character (and I probably won't disagree with you), but Lonnie was also a genuine CoCo enthusiast, who duplicated the first Rainbow issues by photocopy, stapled in the corner. The magazine did have a personality, from those first photocopied issues to the final tabloid newsprint ones. (I might tip my hat to Dennis here, for publishing a CoCo mag also distinguished by a definite personality, though it lasted only a year or two, Under Color. WTG, Dennis. Somebody ought to undertake the relatively manageable task, if you can get the issues, of scanning and posting this magazine, assuming Dennis has no objections.) Art P.S. Odd that you didn't get the final issues of TCCM--I did, then they started sending Creative Computing until I called them and asked for a pro-rated refund instead, which I received. I've had a visceral dislike for Ziff-Davis since their contemptible act of buying up TCCM for the apparent purpose of folding it in order to transfer readers over to Creative Computing. From adit at nationsdial.com Tue Aug 19 02:04:17 2008 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:04:17 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 18, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Arthur Flexser wrote: > > (I might tip my hat to Dennis here, for publishing a CoCo mag also > distinguished > by a definite personality, though it lasted only a year or two, > Under Color. > WTG, Dennis. Somebody ought to undertake the relatively manageable > task, if you > can get the issues, of scanning and posting this magazine, assuming > Dennis has > no objections.) > UnderColor (in Grayscale) is already archived and should be available from the ftp.maltedmedia.com site. Dean From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 04:52:02 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:52:02 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Deleted. --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" wrote: > > I'm going to be deleting these from Rapidshare sometime soon so grab > em while you can. > > --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "James Diffendaffer" > wrote: > > > > Hmmm... I forgot I had scanned two of these. > > > > I originally scanned them for a magazine project over 4 years ago but > > since that is officially canceled... > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/137676377/ColorComputerMagazineMarch1983.pdf.html > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/137677867/ColorComputerMagazineApril1983.pdf.html > > > From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Tue Aug 19 07:06:35 2008 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:06:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Message length Message-ID: <200808191107.m7JB7CLX011423@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Hi all, Just a reminder to keep your message length under 40K. Three messages were rejected a few days ago because the entire digest had been quoted (in two cases) and a large attachment had been added (in one case). Though the list automatically strips HTML, sometimes it gets fooled by clever rich-text posts which can easily exceed 40K. This 40K length is a courtesy to both our dialup members and to those who receive the digest version. Thanks, Dennis From Nuxie at aol.com Tue Aug 19 08:44:40 2008 From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:44:40 EDT Subject: [Coco] Whoa! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/18/2008 4:09:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rcrislip at neo.rr.com writes: Hi Mary, Heh... boys will be boys I guess (I know cause I am one of them) Glad you are still with us. I really love your newsletter. Now for anyone willing to entertain a suggestion. How about using that energy, wasted in the foregoing copywrite debate, to write and to submit useful articles to Mary's newsletter. Please. Good Job Roy! you are now my chief recruiter!! it pays double nother per hour! hehe Mary oh and ROY!!!!! (((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From theother_bob at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 10:31:31 2008 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans Message-ID: <269725.58342.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: Arthur Flexser To: COCO - Tandy Color Computer List Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:49:42 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, theother_bob wrote: >> It was several months later before I discovered the Rainbow at a mall bookstore. >> I always liked TCCM better than Rainbow; it just seemed more community oriented >> as opposed to the Rainbow's larger but more impersonal (corporate?) feel. >> >> It always stuck in my craw that when TCCM was discontinued I never got the >> last issue (or three?) despite being a paid subscriber. They sent Personal >> Computing or some other garbage instead. >> >> Bob > I never felt that way about Rainbow vs. TCCM. Rainbow had its own personal > feel, to me. Plus, they provided the CoCo community with a unique service in > organizing Rainbowfest, truly a labor of love in my opinion, and a chance for > the CoCo community to get together on a face-to-face basis. Say what you will > about Lonnie's corporate character (and I probably won't disagree with you), but > Lonnie was also a genuine CoCo enthusiast, who duplicated the first Rainbow > issues by photocopy, stapled in the corner. The magazine did have a > personality, from those first photocopied issues to the final tabloid newsprint > ones. > (I might tip my hat to Dennis here, for publishing a CoCo mag also distinguished > by a definite personality, though it lasted only a year or two, Under Color. > WTG, Dennis. Somebody ought to undertake the relatively manageable task, if you > can get the issues, of scanning and posting this magazine, assuming Dennis has > no objections.) > > Art > > P.S. Odd that you didn't get the final issues of TCCM--I did, then they started > sending Creative Computing until I called them and asked for a pro-rated refund > instead, which I received. I've had a visceral dislike for Ziff-Davis since > their contemptible act of buying up TCCM for the apparent purpose of folding it > in order to transfer readers over to Creative Computing. Well at the time I was like 14 and had no concept of "consumer rights" to call and complain to some corporation about my $3 magazine. And I suppose the preference of one magazine over the other was based on it being my first. I was pretty isolated in my CoCo habit. All my friends had Commodores or Model I/III. I was never able to make it to a Rainbowfest either. The one thing I wish I had known was how large of a CoCo user base there was in El Paso, but I never heard of any El Paso CoCo users groups or BBSes until years after they were gone. Oh well, at least I was able to do things that made my Commie friends jealous... well the Vic-20 guy anyway. ;) Bob From farna at att.net Tue Aug 19 10:42:51 2008 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Magazine sharing website Message-ID: <48AADBEB.2000405@att.net> While I have no problem with obsolete or even several year old magazines being shared/archived like this, it is definitely WRONG to upload current issues! If that happened a lot no one would have magazines -- the publishers would go out of business. At least a year old I don't have a lot of problem with -- most publishers don't sell many back issues, and people want to read current articles, so there's very little (if any) harm done to the publisher -- might even entice people to subscribe or look for current issues on news stands! Just my opinion... if all the CoCo mags (even the ones I published) ended up there it would indeed be a good thing. Would still be better ot have a DVD with all of them on it on hand. When (I wouldn't say if...) that site gets shut down you'll still have your DVD! I've seen several sites with lots of irreplaceable info go down over the years, and it's then gone! -------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: theother_bob Well sometimes you find what you need just when you need it... http://www.mygazines.com/ "What is Mygazines? Mygazines is your free place to browse, share, archive and customize unlimited magazine articles uploaded by you, the Mygazines community." This is an offshore (or similar) website, and as you can see, copyrights are apparently not a big deal there. Far as I'm concerned, I hope every CoCo magazine ever published gets posted online for free. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From theother_bob at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 10:58:46 2008 From: theother_bob at yahoo.com (theother_bob) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Magazine sharing website Message-ID: <169803.83579.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree 100%. I loathe corporate greed, but the consumers only recourse is either a boycott or something like this, which is just as wrong but in the opposite direction. Eventually people's voices may be heard by lawmakers, but when corporations pretty much own congress then we get little more than lip service. What would this world be like if everyone (or at least our "leaders", who should set the example!) were honest and ethical? Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: Frank Swygert To: coco at maltedmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:42:51 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Magazine sharing website While I have no problem with obsolete or even several year old magazines being shared/archived like this, it is definitely WRONG to upload current issues! If that happened a lot no one would have magazines -- the publishers would go out of business. At least a year old I don't have a lot of problem with -- most publishers don't sell many back issues, and people want to read current articles, so there's very little (if any) harm done to the publisher -- might even entice people to subscribe or look for current issues on news stands! Just my opinion... if all the CoCo mags (even the ones I published) ended up there it would indeed be a good thing. Would still be better ot have a DVD with all of them on it on hand. When (I wouldn't say if...) that site gets shut down you'll still have your DVD! I've seen several sites with lots of irreplaceable info go down over the years, and it's then gone! -------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: theother_bob Well sometimes you find what you need just when you need it... http://www.mygazines.com/ "What is Mygazines? Mygazines is your free place to browse, share, archive and customize unlimited magazine articles uploaded by you, the Mygazines community." This is an offshore (or similar) website, and as you can see, copyrights are apparently not a big deal there. Far as I'm concerned, I hope every CoCo magazine ever published gets posted online for free. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From RJRTTY at aol.com Tue Aug 19 11:37:31 2008 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:37:31 EDT Subject: [Coco] Whoa! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/2008 8:45:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Nuxie at aol.com writes: Good Job Roy! you are now my chief recruiter!! it pays double nother per hour! hehe Mary oh and ROY!!!!! (((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))) Just so you know that was not me Mary but I will still be your chief recruiter.. Now get out there you bums and send Mary some material for her newsletter!!!! :) Roy **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Tue Aug 19 12:51:03 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:51:03 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Apology Message-ID: <20080819.115103.2684.4.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Good morning coco List Members I want to apology for being late in responding to e-mail. Especially to Bob Devries. I have not been able to convert the utility file he sent to me. I want to convert some Chromasette tapes and rainbow tapes to diskettes. Eventually I want to learn how to make a .DSK file. I just got a new VISTA PC and a Tornado hardware. Check out www.TheTornado.com it allows me to connect my old PC to my new PC and transfer files by drag and drop... cool Can you tell that I really enjoy my retirement. John ____________________________________________________________ Protect our community. Click here to take criminal justice classes and begin a rewarding career. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNLMa6UkADVgW3qwW2RhWkUm8BvY9AMuHqoNZdhEtn3Mydj/ From tlindner at macmess.org Tue Aug 19 13:40:57 2008 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:40:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] WANTED: Looking for a few CoCo items In-Reply-To: <866075.47675.qm@web52411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1ilx1fg.1ja7iz6zbnzp9M%tlindner@macmess.org> Erik Ames wrote: > Adapter to play Diecom's Iron Forest with the light gun. Was it an adapter > for the Sega Master System Phaser gun or was it a modded pin adapter end > on the Sega gun? (name price for your time/efforts or can do trade deal > for software I own probably 90% of what was out there) It was a custom interface box connected to a stock Sega Phaser light gun. It included logic to very accurately sense the amount of time passed as the horizontal beam swept from the edge of the screen to the gun's sensor. While mine is not for sale, I have the schematic on my web site. One person has built a box from it. http://tlindner.macmess.org/?page_id=105 -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From neilsmorr at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 14:34:44 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:34:44 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans References: Message-ID: <056c01c9022a$b1a125e0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Flexser" > P.S. Odd that you didn't get the final issues of TCCM--I did, then they > started > sending Creative Computing until I called them and asked for a pro-rated > refund > instead, which I received. I've had a visceral dislike for Ziff-Davis > since > their contemptible act of buying up TCCM for the apparent purpose of > folding it > in order to transfer readers over to Creative Computing. Something Ziff has done many times in the past to other mags. Neil From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Tue Aug 19 19:43:17 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:43:17 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Super Color Writer II Message-ID: <20080819.184317.4564.8.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Hello Folks I have the VIP diskettes and DOC. Will these files work on a coco3 system John On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:31:37 -0700 Dean Leiber writes: > > On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Roger Pee wrote: > > > Super Color Writer II was written by Tim Nelson and marketed by > > Softlaw > > Corporation of Minneapolis Minnesota... this of course from an ad > in a > > October 1983 Rainbow mag. > > > > Soon after by 1984 the suite of applications was renamed to > VIP... > > > > > > -=[ Rogelio ]=- > > > Thanks! Now I know which directory to file it away in! > > Dean > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > ____________________________________________________________ Click for free home mortgage rates from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m36jLRGQSfhodcWKcGImfImsq4vcOMDEQlZBcStOQlenkkR/ From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Tue Aug 19 19:46:24 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:46:24 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Super Color Writer II Message-ID: <20080819.184624.4564.9.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Dean What is the location of your Archive? John On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:21:09 -0700 Dean Leiber writes: > > Does Anybody know who did "Super Color Writer II"? I just finished > > editing it for inclusion in the CoCO/OS9 Archive, but I can't find a > > company name in the manual. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Dean > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDRbsG5raZwMyNzMTPtusvxUGN27rvjdCex5O7NpD5nkF/ From jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 20:48:45 2008 From: jdiffendaffer at yahoo.com (James Diffendaffer) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:48:45 -0000 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: <056c01c9022a$b1a125e0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: --- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > their contemptible act of buying up TCCM for the apparent purpose of > > folding it > > in order to transfer readers over to Creative Computing. > > Something Ziff has done many times in the past to other mags. > > Neil Sadly, TCCM was my favorite coco mag. I thought it had much better articles than Rainbow. Come to think of it, so did Hot Coco an Color Computer News. From neilsmorr at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 20:39:14 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:39:14 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Magazine sharing website References: <48AADBEB.2000405@att.net> Message-ID: <070801c9025e$c70c6730$0101a8c0@NewBaby> It's always well to remember that many current magazines may be read or borrowed from public libraries - funded by he tax dollars of authors and publishers. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Swygert" > While I have no problem with obsolete or even several year old magazines > being shared/archived like this, it is definitely WRONG to upload current > issues! If that happened a lot no one would have magazines -- the > publishers would go out of business. At least a year old I don't have a > lot of problem with -- most publishers don't sell many back issues, and > people want to read current articles, so there's very little (if any) harm > done to the publisher -- might even entice people to subscribe or look for > current issues on news stands! > Just my opinion... if all the CoCo mags (even the ones I published) ended > up there it would indeed be a good thing. Would still be better ot have a > DVD with all of them on it on hand. When (I wouldn't say if...) that site > gets shut down you'll still have your DVD! I've seen several sites with > lots of irreplaceable info go down over the years, and it's then gone! From neilsmorr at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 23:23:34 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:23:34 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: References: <056c01c9022a$b1a125e0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <93f331ac0808192023x75d0cc44ra6c8ca8468f80ef4@mail.gmail.com> Ziff killed Electronics World, one of the great magazines for technicians. That was a sad day. Neil On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM, James Diffendaffer wrote: > Sadly, TCCM was my favorite coco mag. I thought it had much better > articles than Rainbow. Come to think of it, so did Hot Coco an Color > Computer News. From cappy2112 at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 23:41:20 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:41:20 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808192041m79399105pd0af49e4bbff288b@mail.gmail.com> I know a lot of work has gone into Nitros9 ive the years, most of the details I missed. I do have several documents for it from the Nitros site, and I vaguely recall the terminology and what I need to do to customize my boot Has the old OS9L2 boot order bug been squashed? I've loaded mdir to look and see what device descriptors were loaded on bootup, I didn't see a ramdisk descriptor. Since the emulators can handle > 512k of ram, maybe a ramdisk is still useful. (I don't have my old Disto ramdisk a cartridge any more) :( Does a ramsidk descriptor exist for Nitros9? What about the hard drive descriptor? There's an HD image in the Vcc emulator downloads, but I can't access it under RSDOs or Nitros9 thanks From os9dude at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 05:55:18 2008 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:55:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Super Color Writer II In-Reply-To: <20080819.184317.4564.8.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20080819.184317.4564.8.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <5631e580808200255pe0b5421vd8e31c5a052ea6a4@mail.gmail.com> The earliest versions of the VIP library had problems with the CoCo 3. I remember there was a way to have a user run through the object code and change a pair of bytes so the 'memory-sense' functionality all programs had could work with the CoCo 3... I may be wrong here, too many years gone by. The one thing I am sure though is that VIP did rework its Library programs (Writer, Spreadsheet, Database, etc) and sold a version compatible with the CoCo 3 right before they came out with the enhanced software that took advantage of the 3's hardware hi-res text screens and exta memory. Try the VIP software you have in the 3, if it works with no noticeable problems then it has to be one of the later issues -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:43 PM, John T Chasteen wrote: > Hello Folks > > I have the VIP diskettes and DOC. Will these files work on a coco3 system > > John > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Aug 20 07:17:31 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] More on Hot Coco scans In-Reply-To: <93f331ac0808192023x75d0cc44ra6c8ca8468f80ef4@mail.gmail.com> References: <056c01c9022a$b1a125e0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <93f331ac0808192023x75d0cc44ra6c8ca8468f80ef4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808200717.31936.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 19 August 2008, Neil Morrison wrote: >Ziff killed Electronics World, one of the great magazines for >technicians. That was a sad day. > >Neil > Ziff-Davis runs the official post graduate course in how to kill a useful, enhanced peoples knowledge, magazine. They see something that looks as if it could make lots of money cuz its got a positive balance sheet now, then apply their management theories, people see the diff and don't renew, so they kill it. The past can be traced at ZD by the dead magazines laying in the trail of time. That is as close to discussing their pedigree as I will get on a family list... Another rag that I mess dearly is McGraw-Hills, 'Electronics'. I have about a 10 year collection of that which I left to Dave when I gave him my old, now ragged red CE's chair & office at the tv station with the advisory that if he had time to read them all, he would have far better than a post doc in Electronics education when he was done. They used to run contests to see who could write (in assembly of course) the fastest, smallest, integer multiply and divide routines for the current crop of cpu's, publishing the winners. As the fav cpu then was a Z-80, I used them both to advantage in a automatic transmitter control I wrote back in '81-'82 for KSUE-FM. Now of course we look at the Z-80 as a severely drain bamaged cpu with its limited range of conditional jumps. [...] -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If you fail to plan, plan to fail. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Aug 20 07:39:45 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:39:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808192041m79399105pd0af49e4bbff288b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808192041m79399105pd0af49e4bbff288b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808200739.45240.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 19 August 2008, Tony Cappellini wrote: >I know a lot of work has gone into Nitros9 ive the years, most of the >details I missed. >I do have several documents for it from the Nitros site, and I vaguely >recall the terminology and what I need to do to customize my boot > >Has the old OS9L2 boot order bug been squashed? Years ago. The first of those fixes was Eddie K's ed9 clock modules. The gime was not being properly re-initted after an interrupt had been serviced. >I've loaded mdir to look and see what device descriptors were loaded >on bootup, I didn't see a ramdisk descriptor. >Since the emulators can handle > 512k of ram, maybe a ramdisk is still > useful. > >(I don't have my old Disto ramdisk a cartridge any more) :( > >Does a ramsidk descriptor exist for Nitros9? yes, both rammer and myram, the latter written by me, are in the distribution. I recently tested mine and it still works flawlessly. Mine is in the 3rd party tree I believe. >What about the hard drive descriptor? There's an HD image in the Vcc >emulator downloads, but I can't access it under RSDOs or Nitros9 I think the descriptor needs to be configured, unforch the docs aren't as transparent as they could be. I believe it can be fixed once the descriptor is loaded under Nitros9, by the dmode command, but each HD needs its own values. >thanks > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) And tomorrow will be like today, only more so. -- Isaiah 56:12, New Standard Version From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Wed Aug 20 07:46:48 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808192041m79399105pd0af49e4bbff288b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808192041m79399105pd0af49e4bbff288b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AC0428.4050100@worldnet.att.net> Tony Cappellini wrote: > I know a lot of work has gone into Nitros9 ive the years, most of the > details I missed. > I do have several documents for it from the Nitros site, and I vaguely > recall the terminology and what I need to do to customize my boot > > Has the old OS9L2 boot order bug been squashed? > Yes, it has. The fix is built into the NitrOS-9 releases. You can read all about the technical side of the fix in the archive on RTSI ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/SYSMODS/BLOB_Stop.lzh > I've loaded mdir to look and see what device descriptors were loaded > on bootup, I didn't see a ramdisk descriptor. > Since the emulators can handle > 512k of ram, maybe a ramdisk is still useful. > Hardly if you are using an emulator. Just mount a virtual hard drive and use that instead of an emulator. On a real Coco system, a ram disk can still be faster than anything else. > (I don't have my old Disto ramdisk a cartridge any more) :( > > Does a ramsidk descriptor exist for Nitros9? Yes, a ramdisk is contained in the NitrOS-9 release in the RBF directory. It is not included in the default OS9Boot file. > > What about the hard drive descriptor? There's an HD image in the Vcc > emulator downloads, but I can't access it under RSDOs or Nitros9 > Vcc includes my modifications to RGBDOS which permits access to an emulated hard drive. All you need to do is turn it on. The hard drive on that site already has (or did at one time) a version of NitrOS-9 installed. You just need to check the directories of 250-255 one of which will be a boot disk that boot directly from the hard drive under RGBDOS. > thanks > From dml_68 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 11:11:43 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] File Archives for Download Part II In-Reply-To: <20080819.184624.4564.9.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <535980.40045.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have completed the Documentation, Manual & Magazine Scans Archive and it is ready for folks to download. Like I did for the Software Archive please e-mail me off list for the download links to avoid any trouble. Be prepared, the Documents archive is 5.5 GB to download! Thank you Derek ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From adit at nationsdial.com Wed Aug 20 12:03:17 2008 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Super Color Writer II In-Reply-To: <20080819.184624.4564.9.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> References: <20080819.184624.4564.9.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Message-ID: <94D06628-2595-4A5B-B2D6-7061EB7D5916@nationsdial.com> On Aug 19, 2008, at 4:46 PM, John T Chasteen wrote: > Dean > What is the location of your Archive? > John Well the home of the CoCo/OS-9 Documentation archive is at www.os9projects.com. At the moment it basically shows what has been archived, but the files will eventually be downloadable. The space for the archive has been donated, but the host hasn't had a chance to put up the files yet (work that pays his bills comes first.) Most of the files (but not all) of the files are up on ftp.maltedmedia.com. If you see something you need, use the e-mail link on the site to contact me, and I'll see about getting it to you. Dean From bear at bears.org Wed Aug 20 12:08:17 2008 From: bear at bears.org (Gary Coulbourne) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:08:17 -0400 Subject: [Coco] File Archives for Download Part II In-Reply-To: <535980.40045.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <535980.40045.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42E4F50D-54F9-4E74-A745-894E39AD3CA8@bears.org> On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Derek wrote: > I have completed the Documentation, Manual & Magazine Scans Archive > and it is ready for folks to download. Like I did for the Software > Archive please e-mail me off list for the download links to avoid > any trouble. Be p Could I please get the download link? Thanks! Peace, Gary From bear at bears.org Wed Aug 20 12:09:36 2008 From: bear at bears.org (Gary Coulbourne) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:09:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] File Archives for Download Part II In-Reply-To: <42E4F50D-54F9-4E74-A745-894E39AD3CA8@bears.org> References: <535980.40045.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42E4F50D-54F9-4E74-A745-894E39AD3CA8@bears.org> Message-ID: I doofusly sent it to the list instead of the individual... durr... please ignore. Peace, Gary From adit at nationsdial.com Wed Aug 20 12:06:00 2008 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo magazines & Other Documentation Message-ID: On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:28 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote: Hello I can't make it to the Cocofests, I live in California.. How can I get one of these 5 DVD sets of docs? I believe that you should still be able to get the last DVD ver. (4.0 I think) from Glenside. I'm not sure who to contact over there about it though. Perhaps pop over to their website and drop them an e-mail. If you don't get a response drop me a line and I'll see what I can do. I maintain the archive but I don't sell any DVDs of it myself since it is a community project. Since Glenside is the last CoCo Club left it seemed logical to have them do the DVD distribution and it also helps to support the CoCoFEST!. 5 DVDS? How can there be so much documentation for the COCO? That's almost 20 GB???????? thanks Tony As for being 20GB, I'm not sure of the exact size now. However there is usually some empty space on the DVDs because they are organized in categories. The set includes Dragon Stuff (magazines, etc.), CoCo Magazines, manuals, advertising flyers, etc. The 20GB is not all entirely unique material because it was organized with the thought of eventually being downloadable, so, material could be available as a zip archive of images, PDF of the entire manual, and PDFs by the chapter or section. Now add to that some smaller manuals have a single page version (good for viewing) and a double page version (good for printing) and you see how the archive can easily grow to be very big. If I'm not mistaken, most of the space of the archive is actually taken up by magazines. A 50 or 100 page magazine takes up a huge chunk of space. Probably if I re-encoded all older PDFs in a newer format, I could shrink the total size considerably but I don't have the time for that. Dean From dml_68 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 12:16:01 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] File Archives for Download Part II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <293140.61229.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Its ok I sent it to your e-mail already. No worries ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Gary Coulbourne wrote: From: Gary Coulbourne Subject: Re: [Coco] File Archives for Download Part II To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 9:09 AM I doofusly sent it to the list instead of the individual... durr... please ignore. Peace, Gary -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jimcox at miba51.com Wed Aug 20 16:10:44 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:10:44 -0700 Subject: [Coco] 8-Bit Retro Computing Blog Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808201310o175393f2w28088f4986400046@mail.gmail.com> Hi Gang, You may or may not know of Linkedin.com, but it is a networking site for professionals. I have been fairly active on it since I started my job search. One of the things I have done no Linkedin.com is to started a 8-Retro Computing Group, and as well as a blog for the group: http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ While the group is for Linkedin.com members, the blog is for everyone, so if you have a chance, swing by and take a look. Cheers, -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ From spensr4hir at aol.com Wed Aug 20 17:10:57 2008 From: spensr4hir at aol.com (spensr4hir at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:10:57 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoCo2 Message-ID: <8CAD1205FACB9C3-DA0-2CC1@webmail-nh06.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Could you please post this on the CoCo list for Color Computer?Enthusiasts? Thanks, MIles? (spensr4hir at aol.com)? I have a practically brand new CoCo 2 in its original box that needs a new home where someone will use and enjoy it.? I also have software cartidges and books to go along with it.? If you are interested email me at spensr4hir at aol.com or call me at 253-312-4254 in Tacoma,?WA.? Thanks,? Miles? From neilsmorr at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 18:28:11 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:28:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Fw: CoCo2 Message-ID: <087e01c90314$50a8d180$0101a8c0@NewBaby> ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi, > Could you please post this on the CoCo list for Color > Computer?Enthusiasts? > Thanks, > MIles? (spensr4hir at aol.com)? > > > I have a practically brand new CoCo 2 in its original box that needs a new > home where someone will use and enjoy it.? I also have software cartidges > and books to go along with it.? If you are interested email me at > spensr4hir at aol.com or call me at 253-312-4254 in Tacoma,?WA.? Thanks,? > Miles? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Wed Aug 20 19:43:12 2008 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:43:12 GMT Subject: [Coco] OT: Crazy Microsoft office ultimate academic deal Message-ID: <200808201943930.SM01476@[63.69.23.239]> I thought some of you might appreciate this...maybe you have kids in college, going to college.. Microsoft is offering for one day only, today, Office Ultimate Edition for $59.95. This has everything in it, I think retail is like $500-600. www.theultimatesteal.com Ya need to have access to an email address at a .EDU though. You enter in the email addy, and it emails a link to the address. Not a bad deal, for excel, access, Word, Ourlook, PowerPoint Got it for my wife, as she is working on her BS at Florida Atlantic They will apparently have Windows Vista Ultimate for $65 at the same site on 9/8/2008 I think the deal ends at midnight, or I think you had to have registered for it, and gotten the email by midnight. Tony From neilsmorr at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 20:29:56 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:29:56 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Color Computer] Re: OT: Crazy Microsoft office ultimate academic deal References: <200808201943930.SM01476@[63.69.23.239]> Message-ID: <08bb01c90325$e65679b0$0101a8c0@NewBaby> http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/terms.aspx Program Description: All eligible university students are entitled to make a purchase from the promotion site as described further below. Promotion Duration: This offer commences at 12:00PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time on July 1, 2008 and all purchases must be made via the Promotion web site by 11:59PM Pacific Standard Time on December 31, 2010 at which time the offer ends. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tonym" I thought some of you might appreciate this...maybe you have kids in college, going to college.. Microsoft is offering for one day only, today, Office Ultimate Edition for $59.95. This has everything in it, I think retail is like $500-600. www.theultimatesteal.com Ya need to have access to an email address at a .EDU though. You enter in the email addy, and it emails a link to the address. Not a bad deal, for excel, access, Word, Ourlook, PowerPoint Got it for my wife, as she is working on her BS at Florida Atlantic They will apparently have Windows Vista Ultimate for $65 at the same site on 9/8/2008 I think the deal ends at midnight, or I think you had to have registered for it, and gotten the email by midnight. Tony From wdg3rd at comcast.net Wed Aug 20 23:14:13 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:14:13 +0000 Subject: [Coco] OT: Crazy Microsoft office ultimate academic deal Message-ID: <082120080314.979.48ACDD85000B08EF000003D322064244130B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Dunno if it's a real deal or not, as I haven't clicked on the link and don't plan to. OpenOffice is free and more stable than any MS Office dreck I've ever been forced to use in various bouts of employment. It's nice that they might be selling the stuff at a price 90% closer to its actual value. But since the only machine I boot with a Microsoft operating system (unless you count several BASIC ROMs) is a Tandy 6000HD that I guarantee would not run this software, Microsoft support of the OS being discontinued long before Tandy discontinued the system, I'll stick with functional software. Even at a tenth of the list price, you get joined at the hip to Redmond. Well, less than an hour to go if the time limit is midnight on the east coast, almost four hours if the deadline is Redmond time. I have to work in the morning so I guess I'll go to bed. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net These histrionics were probably unnecessary, since there was no reason to think anybody would be watching us with more than casual interest until I made my first move to follow Buchanon's trail, in London. Still, somebody might check back this far later, and I always feel that if you're going to play a part, you might as well play it all the way, at least in public -- and it's hard to tell what's public and what isn't, these electronic days. Donald Hamilton, _The Devastators_, 1965 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "tonym" > I thought some of you might appreciate this...maybe you have kids in college, > going to college.. > > Microsoft is offering for one day only, today, Office Ultimate Edition for > $59.95. This has > everything in it, I think retail is like $500-600. > > www.theultimatesteal.com > > Ya need to have access to an email address at a .EDU though. You enter in the > email addy, and > it emails a link to the address. > > Not a bad deal, for excel, access, Word, Ourlook, PowerPoint > > Got it for my wife, as she is working on her BS at Florida Atlantic > > They will apparently have Windows Vista Ultimate for $65 at the same site on > 9/8/2008 > > I think the deal ends at midnight, or I think you had to have registered for it, > and gotten the email by > midnight. > > Tony -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "tonym" Subject: [Coco] OT: Crazy Microsoft office ultimate academic deal Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:43:15 +0000 Size: 650 Url: From tonym at compusource.net Wed Aug 20 23:20:57 2008 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:20:57 GMT Subject: [Coco] OT: Crazy Microsoft office ultimate academic deal Message-ID: <200808202320399.SM03508@[63.69.23.239]> It's legit. I bought it for my wife earlier today. If actually just forwards to http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx And is being run by DigitalRiver for Microsoft. In this day, though, the pessimism (sp?) is MORE than warranted! Tony -----Original Message----- From: wdg3rd at comcast.net Sent 8/20/2008 11:14:13 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Crazy Microsoft office ultimate academic deal Dunno if it's a real deal or not, as I haven't clicked on the link and don't plan to. OpenOffice is free and more stable than any MS Office dreck I've ever been forced to use in various bouts of employment. It's nice that they might be selling the stuff at a price 90% closer to its actual value. But since the only machine I boot with a Microsoft operating system (unless you count several BASIC ROMs) is a Tandy 6000HD that I guarantee would not run this software, Microsoft support of the OS being discontinued long before Tandy discontinued the system, I'll stick with functional software. Even at a tenth of the list price, you get joined at the hip to Redmond. Well, less than an hour to go if the time limit is midnight on the east coast, almost four hours if the deadline is Redmond time. I have to work in the morning so I guess I'll go to bed. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net These histrionics were probably unnecessary, since there was no reason to think anybody would be watching us with more than casual interest until I made my first move to follow Buchanon's trail, in London. Still, somebody might check back this far later, and I always feel that if you're going to play a part, you might as well play it all the way, at least in public -- and it's hard to tell what's public and what isn't, these electronic days. Donald Hamilton, _The Devastators_, 1965 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "tonym" tonym at compusource.net I thought some of you might appreciate this...maybe you have kids in college, going to college.. Microsoft is offering for one day only, today, Office Ultimate Edition for $59.95. This has everything in it, I think retail is like $500-600. www.theultimatesteal.com Ya need to have access to an email address at a .EDU though. You enter in the email addy, and it emails a link to the address. Not a bad deal, for excel, access, Word, Ourlook, PowerPoint Got it for my wife, as she is working on her BS at Florida Atlantic They will apparently have Windows Vista Ultimate for $65 at the same site on 9/8/2008 I think the deal ends at midnight, or I think you had to have registered for it, and gotten the email by midnight. Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From diegoba at adinet.com.uy Wed Aug 20 23:50:26 2008 From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (Diego Barizo) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:50:26 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Asimov Awards (Last chance?) Message-ID: <48ACE602.30306@adinet.com.uy> Hi everybody. I've just finished an update regarding the current edition of the "Asimov Awards" for CoCo programs. Take a look at www.yaccs.info, and consider sending your favorite program. This year might be the last one! Diego From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 00:17:53 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:17:53 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808202117g1bcec9cauc88a76831f1b2a13@mail.gmail.com> > > What about the hard drive descriptor? There's an HD image in the Vcc > emulator downloads, but I can't access it under RSDOs or Nitros9 > Vcc includes my modifications to RGBDOS which permits access to an emulated hard drive. All you need to do is turn it on. >>The hard drive on that site already has (or did at one time) a version >>of NitrOS-9 installed. You just need to check the directories of 250-255 >>one of which will be a boot disk that boot directly from the hard drive >>under RGBDOS. There is an HD image + Cloud 9 RTC in MPI Slot 3, in the VCC download. I've selected that slot, and pressed F9. I see the RGBDOs boot message, followed by "Hard Drives Not found" I dont see an external vhd image on the VCC download site, and nothing is mounted under the HD0 in VCC by default. Trying to access Drives 250 and higher while running rgbdos results in "DN error" I've looked for some docs on RGBDOs on your site, but didn't see anything available to download. Are these still available? From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 00:31:10 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:31:10 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 References: <8249c4ac0808202117g1bcec9cauc88a76831f1b2a13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008101c90346$bed1bbe0$0701a8c0@master> Here's the URL to the Nitros9 VHD image (in a ZIP file): http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/bin/nitros9.zip -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Cappellini" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Cc: "Robert Gault" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 > > >> What about the hard drive descriptor? There's an HD image in the Vcc >> emulator downloads, but I can't access it under RSDOs or Nitros9 >> > > Vcc includes my modifications to RGBDOS which permits access to an > emulated hard drive. All you need to do is turn it on. > >>>The hard drive on that site already has (or did at one time) a version >>>of NitrOS-9 installed. You just need to check the directories of 250-255 >>>one of which will be a boot disk that boot directly from the hard drive >>>under RGBDOS. > > There is an HD image + Cloud 9 RTC in MPI Slot 3, in the VCC download. > I've selected that slot, and pressed F9. I see the RGBDOs boot > message, followed by "Hard Drives Not found" > I dont see an external vhd image on the VCC download site, and nothing > is mounted under the HD0 in VCC by default. > > Trying to access Drives 250 and higher while running rgbdos results in > "DN error" > > I've looked for some docs on RGBDOs on your site, but didn't see > anything available to download. > Are these still available? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Aug 21 00:33:53 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:33:53 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808202117g1bcec9cauc88a76831f1b2a13@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808202117g1bcec9cauc88a76831f1b2a13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48ACF031.4070308@cox.net> Tony, If you select Cartridge/HD0, does it show "Nitros09.vhd" next to the eject? If not, you need to find the Nitros09.vhd image and "insert" it. I don't believe it came with the VCC program, seems I found a link to it in some one elses messages here on the board. If you don't have it, reply and I will see if I can find it. By the way, the vhd image I have does not have a os9 boot image on any of the rsdos drives that I can find. Tim Fadden Tony Cappellini wrote: >> What about the hard drive descriptor? There's an HD image in the Vcc >> emulator downloads, but I can't access it under RSDOs or Nitros9 >> >> > > Vcc includes my modifications to RGBDOS which permits access to an > emulated hard drive. All you need to do is turn it on. > > >>> The hard drive on that site already has (or did at one time) a version >>> of NitrOS-9 installed. You just need to check the directories of 250-255 >>> one of which will be a boot disk that boot directly from the hard drive >>> under RGBDOS. >>> > > There is an HD image + Cloud 9 RTC in MPI Slot 3, in the VCC download. > I've selected that slot, and pressed F9. I see the RGBDOs boot > message, followed by "Hard Drives Not found" > I dont see an external vhd image on the VCC download site, and nothing > is mounted under the HD0 in VCC by default. > > Trying to access Drives 250 and higher while running rgbdos results in > "DN error" > > I've looked for some docs on RGBDOs on your site, but didn't see > anything available to download. > Are these still available? > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 00:38:54 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808202138l76ae385es767431a1e8641f97@mail.gmail.com> >>Here's the URL to the Nitros9 VHD image (in a ZIP file): >>http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/bin/nitros9.zip Thanks Bob! Does anyone know why doesn't the VCC guy have an exposed link on the VCC page? I've emailed him about some other VCC questions, but he doesn't reply. Has anyone been in contact with him in the last few weeks? Thanks From cappy2112 at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 00:42:11 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:42:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808202142t5ea86b5dwe16f67f51d74d7a1@mail.gmail.com> >>If you select Cartridge/HD0, does it show "Nitros09.vhd" next to the >>eject? No. There IS an HD + CLoud9 RTC under Slot 3 though, but I cant seem to access it under RGBDos (250-255) >>If not, you need to find the Nitros09.vhd image and "insert" >>it. >>I don't believe it came with the VCC program, seems I found a link Yes- it seems he made thispart a puzzle ;-) Bob just sent me the link, it's downloading now. Thanks! From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Aug 21 00:44:33 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <008101c90346$bed1bbe0$0701a8c0@master> References: <8249c4ac0808202117g1bcec9cauc88a76831f1b2a13@mail.gmail.com> <008101c90346$bed1bbe0$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <48ACF2B1.6010502@cox.net> Thanks Bob, That is the vhd image I have. I haven't found any os9 boot disk images on it any where on the rsdos disk images. got any pointers on what to use to boot Nitros09 on the os9 partition of the vhd image? drive 254 has: link.bas filecopy.bas findfile.bas boot1.bas specs.bas boot2.bas create.bas Has it something to do with these? Thanks, Tim Fadden Bob Devries wrote: > Here's the URL to the Nitros9 VHD image (in a ZIP file): > > http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/bin/nitros9.zip > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Cappellini" > > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Cc: "Robert Gault" > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 > > >> > >>> What about the hard drive descriptor? There's an HD image in the Vcc >>> emulator downloads, but I can't access it under RSDOs or Nitros9 >>> >> >> Vcc includes my modifications to RGBDOS which permits access to an >> emulated hard drive. All you need to do is turn it on. >> >>>> The hard drive on that site already has (or did at one time) a version >>>> of NitrOS-9 installed. You just need to check the directories of >>>> 250-255 >>>> one of which will be a boot disk that boot directly from the hard >>>> drive >>>> under RGBDOS. >> >> There is an HD image + Cloud 9 RTC in MPI Slot 3, in the VCC download. >> I've selected that slot, and pressed F9. I see the RGBDOs boot >> message, followed by "Hard Drives Not found" >> I dont see an external vhd image on the VCC download site, and nothing >> is mounted under the HD0 in VCC by default. >> >> Trying to access Drives 250 and higher while running rgbdos results in >> "DN error" >> >> I've looked for some docs on RGBDOs on your site, but didn't see >> anything available to download. >> Are these still available? >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From lamune at doki-doki.net Thu Aug 21 01:24:39 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:24:39 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: Crazy Microsoft office ultimate academic deal In-Reply-To: <082120080314.979.48ACDD85000B08EF000003D322064244130B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> References: <082120080314.979.48ACDD85000B08EF000003D322064244130B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6D0@fenestra.lamunet.local> Ward, decaf? Seriously, you guys make me laugh. :) -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of wdg3rd at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:14 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Crazy Microsoft office ultimate academic deal > > Dunno if it's a real deal or not, as I haven't clicked on the link and > don't plan to. OpenOffice is free and more stable than any MS Office > dreck I've ever been forced to use in various bouts of employment. > It's nice that they might be selling the stuff at a price 90% closer to > its actual value. But since the only machine I boot with a Microsoft > operating system (unless you count several BASIC ROMs) is a Tandy > 6000HD that I guarantee would not run this software, Microsoft support > of the OS being discontinued long before Tandy discontinued the system, > I'll stick with functional software. Even at a tenth of the list > price, you get joined at the hip to Redmond. > > Well, less than an hour to go if the time limit is midnight on the east > coast, almost four hours if the deadline is Redmond time. I have to > work in the morning so I guess I'll go to bed. > -- > Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net > > These histrionics were probably unnecessary, since there was no reason > to think anybody would be watching us with more than casual interest > until I made my first move to follow Buchanon's trail, in London. > Still, somebody might check back this far later, and I always feel that > if you're going to play a part, you might as well play it all the way, > at least in public -- and it's hard to tell what's public and what > isn't, these electronic days. > Donald Hamilton, _The Devastators_, 1965 > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "tonym" > > I thought some of you might appreciate this...maybe you have kids in > > college, going to college.. > > > > Microsoft is offering for one day only, today, Office Ultimate > Edition > > for $59.95. This has everything in it, I think retail is like > > $500-600. > > > > www.theultimatesteal.com > > > > Ya need to have access to an email address at a .EDU though. You > enter > > in the email addy, and it emails a link to the address. > > > > Not a bad deal, for excel, access, Word, Ourlook, PowerPoint > > > > Got it for my wife, as she is working on her BS at Florida Atlantic > > > > They will apparently have Windows Vista Ultimate for $65 at the same > > site on > > 9/8/2008 > > > > I think the deal ends at midnight, or I think you had to have > > registered for it, and gotten the email by midnight. > > > > Tony > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 21 10:30:35 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:30:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Ramdisk under Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808202117g1bcec9cauc88a76831f1b2a13@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808202117g1bcec9cauc88a76831f1b2a13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AD7C0B.40507@worldnet.att.net> Tony Cappellini wrote: >> What about the hard drive descriptor? There's an HD image in the Vcc >> emulator downloads, but I can't access it under RSDOs or Nitros9 >> > > Vcc includes my modifications to RGBDOS which permits access to an > emulated hard drive. All you need to do is turn it on. > >>> The hard drive on that site already has (or did at one time) a version >>> of NitrOS-9 installed. You just need to check the directories of 250-255 >>> one of which will be a boot disk that boot directly from the hard drive >>> under RGBDOS. > > There is an HD image + Cloud 9 RTC in MPI Slot 3, in the VCC download. > I've selected that slot, and pressed F9. I see the RGBDOs boot > message, followed by "Hard Drives Not found" > I dont see an external vhd image on the VCC download site, and nothing > is mounted under the HD0 in VCC by default. > > Trying to access Drives 250 and higher while running rgbdos results in > "DN error" Simple, you don't have any .vhd drives mounted in Vcc. If you did, then the drive would be "found" and all RGBDOS hard drive commands would work. > > I've looked for some docs on RGBDOs on your site, but didn't see > anything available to download. > Are these still available? > ============== OK, there is a good bit of confusion on how to use Vcc. There is a pdf file Welcome to Vcc.pdf that explains how to use the emulator but the explanation seems to need some help. There are two ways that Vcc can access hard drives. The harddsk.dll that can be mounted in the MPI emulates the Cloud-9 ide controller. In this Vcc implementation, it includes RGBDOS. The main reason for mounting the Cloud-9 controller in Vcc is to access the real time clock RTC. You can access a .vhd drive using the 502 controller after selecting RGBDOS from FD-502 configuration menu. So for example, if slot 4 is selected for the Cloud-9 controller then RGBDOS is active and a .vhd drive can be accessed but no floppies. If the FD-502 is mounted in slot 4 and RGBDOS is selected, a .vhd image can be accessed as well as floppies but there is no RTC. If you then mount the Cloud-9 controller in slot 3 with slot 4 active, you get RGBDOS from the 502 but also have an RTC in slot 3. With the hard drive (pre-installed hard drive) available from http://vcc6809.bravehost.com/downloads.html and the FD-502 and RGBDOS in VCC you will see the RGBDOS message and then an OK. That's because there is no AUTOEXEC.BAS program installed on drive0 of the hard drive. Do a DIR250TO255 and drive253 appears to be free. That's because this .vhd image was not set up correctly. In fact, drive253 is the NitrOS-9 boot disk. The first thing you should do is issue the command, RENAME DRIVE 253, "NITROS9 BOOT" Then the next time you do a DIR253 you will see DIR253 NITROS9 BOOT DRIVE253 FREE=68 Not perfect because the drive is not completely free but at least you know it is a boot disk. Now as NitrOS-9 is already installed along with the boot disk and LINKed by the LINK.BAS program on drive 254, just enter DOS253 and NitrOS-9 will boot. ================== > I've looked for some docs on RGBDOs on your site, but didn't see > anything available to download. > Are these still available? All the needed docs are contained inside the RGBDOS.zip file found on the Downloads page. Further as HDBDOS (Cloud-9) is modeled on RGBDOS for which Boisy now own the rights, you can also get the HDBDOS docs from Cloud-9 and they will match the emulator RGBDOS functions quite well. The helper programs included with RGBDOS, some of which are on the VCC .vhd image, are self explanatory for the most part. From steve at batsonphotography.com Thu Aug 21 11:55:45 2008 From: steve at batsonphotography.com (steve) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:55:45 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Emulators... Message-ID: <1f2c8c8557e94b1da3773f176a000ec4@leia.myinternetwebhost.com> I recently posted some questions on one of the emulator threads and got my answers, thanks. I'm starting a new one because I have a few more questions and comments. I just bought a new Acer Aspire One Netbook (or mini laptop) with a solid state drive. This thing runs linux. I got it from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-Laptop-Processor-Linpus/dp/B001BBS76Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1219333283&sr=8-2 Anyway, As I've been looking around, I found people are booting from USB drives on this thing for various things such as installing BIOS updates or a new OS. Anyway, I got to thinking how this might make a good portable CoCo using emulators. I've got an old 128mb USB Flash Stick that I made bootable with DOS (the Win98 Flavor), and I copied a bunch of my version of the Jeff Vavasour Emulator over to it with my Virtual Disks). For running DOS stuff, especially the Coco Emulator, 128megs would hold an entire CoCo Library. It seems to be working well, but the Atom Processor in the Acer is much faster than the systems Vavasour's Emulators are designed for. Even if you use the slow down option, it can be too fast for some games. Here's my questions: 1) What's the best version of DOS to run his emulators on? 2) What's a decent slowdown util that will slow today's processors down to 386 or 486 Speeds that run will with his emulators? 3) What other DOS CoCo Emulators besides Vavasour's do you recommend for Maximum Compatibility and stable operation? Steve From mdelyea at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 14:25:45 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:25:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] BASIC game Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808211125u7c01bd9lc6f263c393a6f36@mail.gmail.com> Years ago I had a BASIC game that I think I copied out of a book. It was a word guessing game called JOT that involved playing against the computer trying to guess each other's 3 letter word. The program was very good at narrowing down the possibilities by using left$, right$ and mid$. Of course, I expanded the vocabulary and enhanced the display and even made the game say it's guesses using the Speech and Sound pak. I have been unable to find this game, though I found a VB version of it. Can anybody point me in the right direction or maybe even have a copy they could send me? From rcrislip at neo.rr.com Thu Aug 21 10:08:49 2008 From: rcrislip at neo.rr.com (richec) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:08:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Super Color Writer II In-Reply-To: <94D06628-2595-4A5B-B2D6-7061EB7D5916@nationsdial.com> References: <20080819.184624.4564.9.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> <94D06628-2595-4A5B-B2D6-7061EB7D5916@nationsdial.com> Message-ID: <200808211008.49399.rcrislip@neo.rr.com> >The space > for the archive has been donated, but the host hasn't had a chance to > put up the files yet (work that pays his bills comes first.) > Such a selfish self centered attitude 8-)). Actually, I feel your pain. From neilsmorr at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 17:58:00 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:58:00 -0700 Subject: [Coco] BASIC game References: <1b52e6c80808211125u7c01bd9lc6f263c393a6f36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09f201c903da$af84ce40$0101a8c0@NewBaby> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" > Years ago I had a BASIC game that I think I copied out of a book. It > was a word guessing game called JOT that involved playing against the > computer trying to guess each other's 3 letter word. The program was > very good at narrowing down the possibilities by using left$, right$ > and mid$. Of course, I expanded the vocabulary and enhanced the > display and even made the game say it's guesses using the Speech and > Sound pak. I have been unable to find this game, though I found a VB > version of it. Can anybody point me in the right direction or maybe > even have a copy they could send me? http://mymc10.tripod.com/share.htm http://mymc10.tripod.com/software.htm http://mymc10.tripod.com/Barden.htm http://mymc10.tripod.com/commonbasic.htm might be a place to look. Maybe there's something similar. Neil From mdelyea at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 19:43:35 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:43:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] BASIC game In-Reply-To: <09f201c903da$af84ce40$0101a8c0@NewBaby> References: <1b52e6c80808211125u7c01bd9lc6f263c393a6f36@mail.gmail.com> <09f201c903da$af84ce40$0101a8c0@NewBaby> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808211643x288d38c7t15ae21f7f6eff503@mail.gmail.com> No, none of those are what I'm looking for. I may have to try to recreate it myself. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Neil Morrison wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" > > >> Years ago I had a BASIC game that I think I copied out of a book. It >> was a word guessing game called JOT that involved playing against the >> computer trying to guess each other's 3 letter word. The program was >> very good at narrowing down the possibilities by using left$, right$ >> and mid$. Of course, I expanded the vocabulary and enhanced the >> display and even made the game say it's guesses using the Speech and >> Sound pak. I have been unable to find this game, though I found a VB >> version of it. Can anybody point me in the right direction or maybe >> even have a copy they could send me? > > http://mymc10.tripod.com/share.htm > > http://mymc10.tripod.com/software.htm > > http://mymc10.tripod.com/Barden.htm > > http://mymc10.tripod.com/commonbasic.htm > > might be a place to look. Maybe there's something similar. > > Neil > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Aug 21 19:57:49 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:57:49 -0700 Subject: [Coco] BASIC game In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80808211643x288d38c7t15ae21f7f6eff503@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b52e6c80808211125u7c01bd9lc6f263c393a6f36@mail.gmail.com> <09f201c903da$af84ce40$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <1b52e6c80808211643x288d38c7t15ae21f7f6eff503@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AE00FD.5020608@cox.net> Mike, You said you typed it out of a book. Was that a coco specific book? or some coco related magaizine? Tim mike delyea wrote: > No, none of those are what I'm looking for. I may have to try to > recreate it myself. > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Neil Morrison wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" >> >> >> >>> Years ago I had a BASIC game that I think I copied out of a book. It >>> was a word guessing game called JOT that involved playing against the >>> computer trying to guess each other's 3 letter word. The program was >>> very good at narrowing down the possibilities by using left$, right$ >>> and mid$. Of course, I expanded the vocabulary and enhanced the >>> display and even made the game say it's guesses using the Speech and >>> Sound pak. I have been unable to find this game, though I found a VB >>> version of it. Can anybody point me in the right direction or maybe >>> even have a copy they could send me? >>> >> http://mymc10.tripod.com/share.htm >> >> http://mymc10.tripod.com/software.htm >> >> http://mymc10.tripod.com/Barden.htm >> >> http://mymc10.tripod.com/commonbasic.htm >> >> might be a place to look. Maybe there's something similar. >> >> Neil >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From johnguin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 21 20:09:17 2008 From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:09:17 -0700 Subject: [Coco] BASIC game In-Reply-To: <48AE00FD.5020608@cox.net> References: <1b52e6c80808211125u7c01bd9lc6f263c393a6f36@mail.gmail.com> <09f201c903da$af84ce40$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <1b52e6c80808211643x288d38c7t15ae21f7f6eff503@mail.gmail.com> <48AE00FD.5020608@cox.net> Message-ID: Found it. Page 171 of TRS-80 Color Computer Programs, a book from radio Shack. 62-2313 A quick look through the code (I'll scan this tomorrow and post it somewhere) makes this look pretty interesting. It has the code well laid out and then a good set of ideas on how to expand the software. John -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fadden Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:58 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] BASIC game Mike, You said you typed it out of a book. Was that a coco specific book? or some coco related magaizine? Tim mike delyea wrote: > No, none of those are what I'm looking for. I may have to try to > recreate it myself. > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Neil Morrison wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" >> >> >> >>> Years ago I had a BASIC game that I think I copied out of a book. It >>> was a word guessing game called JOT that involved playing against the >>> computer trying to guess each other's 3 letter word. The program was >>> very good at narrowing down the possibilities by using left$, right$ >>> and mid$. Of course, I expanded the vocabulary and enhanced the >>> display and even made the game say it's guesses using the Speech and >>> Sound pak. I have been unable to find this game, though I found a VB >>> version of it. Can anybody point me in the right direction or maybe >>> even have a copy they could send me? >>> >> http://mymc10.tripod.com/share.htm >> >> http://mymc10.tripod.com/software.htm >> >> http://mymc10.tripod.com/Barden.htm >> >> http://mymc10.tripod.com/commonbasic.htm >> >> might be a place to look. Maybe there's something similar. >> >> Neil >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mdelyea at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 20:27:31 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:27:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] BASIC game In-Reply-To: References: <1b52e6c80808211125u7c01bd9lc6f263c393a6f36@mail.gmail.com> <09f201c903da$af84ce40$0101a8c0@NewBaby> <1b52e6c80808211643x288d38c7t15ae21f7f6eff503@mail.gmail.com> <48AE00FD.5020608@cox.net> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808211727j2ee79527rdd31f90f815a92c3@mail.gmail.com> That's probably it. I'll have to wait to see the code first but I think thats it. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:09 PM, John wrote: > Found it. Page 171 of TRS-80 Color Computer Programs, a book from radio > Shack. > > 62-2313 > > A quick look through the code (I'll scan this tomorrow and post it > somewhere) makes this look pretty interesting. It has the code well laid > out and then a good set of ideas on how to expand the software. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On > Behalf Of Tim Fadden > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:58 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] BASIC game > > Mike, > > You said you typed it out of a book. Was that a coco specific book? or > some coco related magaizine? > > Tim > > mike delyea wrote: >> No, none of those are what I'm looking for. I may have to try to >> recreate it myself. >> >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Neil Morrison > wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" >>> >>> >>> >>>> Years ago I had a BASIC game that I think I copied out of a book. It >>>> was a word guessing game called JOT that involved playing against the >>>> computer trying to guess each other's 3 letter word. The program was >>>> very good at narrowing down the possibilities by using left$, right$ >>>> and mid$. Of course, I expanded the vocabulary and enhanced the >>>> display and even made the game say it's guesses using the Speech and >>>> Sound pak. I have been unable to find this game, though I found a VB >>>> version of it. Can anybody point me in the right direction or maybe >>>> even have a copy they could send me? >>>> >>> http://mymc10.tripod.com/share.htm >>> >>> http://mymc10.tripod.com/software.htm >>> >>> http://mymc10.tripod.com/Barden.htm >>> >>> http://mymc10.tripod.com/commonbasic.htm >>> >>> might be a place to look. Maybe there's something similar. >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From jimcox at miba51.com Fri Aug 22 01:23:23 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:23:23 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Any CoCo-Nutz on Linkedin.com? Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808212223tc5cdfaakde9b420247d38aa0@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, I have a profile on Linkedin.com (business/professional networking) and I have recently received some invites from member of this list. If you are a member of Linkedin.com, feel free to send me an invite. Just sellect "Other" as the option and use my email address above. Also, I have stated a 8-Bit Retro Computing Group on Linkedin. If you are a Linkedin member you can join here: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/61832 The group has a blog here: http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ I hope to see some of you there. Cheers, -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ PS: Anyone know of any cheap single board computers that can server as a web server? Please reply with a different subject. Thanks From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 01:41:53 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:41:53 +1000 Subject: [Coco] SBC Web server Message-ID: <005101c90419$ca8706b0$0701a8c0@master> Jim, you asked about a single board computer webserver. In fact you can use a MicroChip PIC chip to do that. Details here: http://www.kyllikki.org/hardware/wwwpic2/ I did a google search on "pic web server", and got a whole bunch of hits. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 01:49:17 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:49:17 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Preferred editor(s) under Nitros9 Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808212249y12c323d6q487f1890e0c4a9c1@mail.gmail.com> Since I will be making a new bootable Vhd with current version of Nitros, what editors do people use under Nitros? Thanks From devries.bob at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 01:57:48 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:57:48 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Preferred editor(s) under Nitros9 References: <8249c4ac0808212249y12c323d6q487f1890e0c4a9c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005c01c9041c$042bbb20$0701a8c0@master> My choice of editor is Bob van der Poel's VED (paired with VPT), but that's a commercial product. There's SCRED on the OS-9 Development System disk set, and the OS-9 Level 1 TS Edit from Tandy, which with modifications can be made to be a Vi workalike (and Level 2 compatible), as well as some PD offerings including SLED, Ed, Emacs and others. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Cappellini" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: [Coco] Preferred editor(s) under Nitros9 > Since I will be making a new bootable Vhd with current version of > Nitros, what editors do people use under Nitros? > > Thanks > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jimcox at miba51.com Fri Aug 22 03:09:04 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:09:04 -0700 Subject: [Coco] SBC Web server In-Reply-To: <005101c90419$ca8706b0$0701a8c0@master> References: <005101c90419$ca8706b0$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808220009m3e477ad4t1746c4f1bbbcc92@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Bob, I will take a look at this in the AM when my brain cells are awake. I thought someone had build a simple browser for the CoCo, but I cannot remember. I thought it was Diego, but that may be a different application. -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > Jim, you asked about a single board computer webserver. > > In fact you can use a MicroChip PIC chip to do that. > > Details here: http://www.kyllikki.org/hardware/wwwpic2/ > > I did a google search on "pic web server", and got a whole bunch of hits. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From petrander at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 03:12:13 2008 From: petrander at gmail.com (Fedor Steeman) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:12:13 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Any CoCo-Nutz on Linkedin.com? In-Reply-To: <6c92f46c0808212223tc5cdfaakde9b420247d38aa0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c92f46c0808212223tc5cdfaakde9b420247d38aa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, That sounds great, although you provided the wrong link. The right one is this: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=54090 The other one was Vixel Alumni or something... :-) Anyways, I joined it... Cheers, Fedor 2008/8/22 Jim Cox : > Hi Guys, > > I have a profile on Linkedin.com (business/professional networking) > and I have recently received some invites from member of this list. > If you are a member of Linkedin.com, feel free to send me an invite. > Just sellect "Other" as the option and use my email address above. > > Also, I have stated a 8-Bit Retro Computing Group on Linkedin. If you > are a Linkedin member you can join here: > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/61832 > > The group has a blog here: http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ > > I hope to see some of you there. > > Cheers, > > -Jim Cox > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > PS: Anyone know of any cheap single board computers that can server as > a web server? Please reply with a different subject. Thanks > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 22 08:51:41 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:51:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Preferred editor(s) under Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808212249y12c323d6q487f1890e0c4a9c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808212249y12c323d6q487f1890e0c4a9c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AEB65D.8030004@worldnet.att.net> Tony Cappellini wrote: > Since I will be making a new bootable Vhd with current version of > Nitros, what editors do people use under Nitros? > > Thanks Does that mean you are now OK with using a .vhd drive with Vcc as asked about in a RAM disk thread? If this is for an emulator system, don't restrict yourself to OS-9 programs. You can easily create source code with PC programs and copy the results to a .dsk or .vhd image for assembly. An example of such is Roger Taylor's RainbowIDE. For Coco hardware, I use SCRED although it has some quirks. From jimcox at miba51.com Fri Aug 22 10:57:44 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:57:44 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Any CoCo-Nutz on Linkedin.com? In-Reply-To: References: <6c92f46c0808212223tc5cdfaakde9b420247d38aa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808220757m3f300e6cx71e5df08c23f49df@mail.gmail.com> Hi Fedor, Thanks for catching that. Yes, the correct link is: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=54090 By they way, I would like to invite any CoCoNutz on Linkedin.com to join my network. My profile is here: http://www.linkedin.com/in/miba51 (I think I got this one right :) I don't know why it is, but every time I get laid off, my brain goes to mush for a few weeks. -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Fedor Steeman wrote: > Hi Jim, > > That sounds great, although you provided the wrong link. The right one > is this: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=54090 > > The other one was Vixel Alumni or something... :-) > > Anyways, I joined it... > > Cheers, > Fedor > > 2008/8/22 Jim Cox : >> Hi Guys, >> >> I have a profile on Linkedin.com (business/professional networking) >> and I have recently received some invites from member of this list. >> If you are a member of Linkedin.com, feel free to send me an invite. >> Just sellect "Other" as the option and use my email address above. >> >> Also, I have stated a 8-Bit Retro Computing Group on Linkedin. If you >> are a Linkedin member you can join here: >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/61832 >> >> The group has a blog here: http://8-bit-retro-computing.blogspot.com/ >> >> I hope to see some of you there. >> >> Cheers, >> >> -Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> >> PS: Anyone know of any cheap single board computers that can server as >> a web server? Please reply with a different subject. Thanks >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From tim.stahlhut at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 10:55:58 2008 From: tim.stahlhut at gmail.com (Tim S) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Coco] SBC Web server References: <005101c90419$ca8706b0$0701a8c0@master> <6c92f46c0808220009m3e477ad4t1746c4f1bbbcc92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Olimex has about 3 different PICMicro web servers. http://www.olimex.com/dev/index.html I am looking at using the http://www.olimex.com/dev/enc28j60-h.html To make am PICMicro web server for an college senior project. They also have two other ethernet http://www.olimex.com/dev/cs8900a-h.html http://www.olimex.com/dev/dm9000e-h.html Tim S From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 11:34:36 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:34:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> After about a year's worth of delay (bought a house, needed to move and get somewhat settled in), I've finally had a bit of a chance to start working on getting a CoCo BBS up and running on the Internet. My plan is to initially use the bitbanger under DECB. Unless someone knows of a source for the other software mentioned at http://software.bbsdocumentary.com, it looks like I'm limited to CoBBS or ALLRAM (while it's tempting to put a cassette-based BBS system on the internet, I think I'll pass... for now...). Does anyone have any experience with CoBBS? In looking through the source code, it appears that I need to run "COTERM.BAS" in order to create "COTERM.BIN," and then "LOADER.BAS" to modify it for use with the bit-banger port. Does this sound correct? If so, I expect to have a DECB BBS available via telnet sometime this weekend :) Rod Barnhart aka Wintermute From jimcox at miba51.com Fri Aug 22 12:14:41 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:14:41 -0700 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> I have a box of ISA boards that I will give to the first person who wants them for just the cost of shipping. I think that there is even a radio board in the box, but I am not sure. -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ From rbihler at msn.com Fri Aug 22 12:50:56 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (RON BIHLER) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:50:56 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you can setup under OS9 or Nitros9 RiBBS was a very powerful BBS. I was the Author so I might be a bit bias :) It did allow multitasking to some degree, however it is more complicated due to the amount of options and it was origanally setup for the Fidonet. Heck maybe I will set one up as well and we can Fidonet share messages :) Starting to sound like old times again . Ron Bihler> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:34:36 -0400> From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com> To: coco at maltedmedia.com> Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS> > After about a year's worth of delay (bought a house, needed to move> and get somewhat settled in), I've finally had a bit of a chance to> start working on getting a CoCo BBS up and running on the Internet. My> plan is to initially use the bitbanger under DECB. Unless someone> knows of a source for the other software mentioned at> http://software.bbsdocumentary.com, it looks like I'm limited to CoBBS> or ALLRAM (while it's tempting to put a cassette-based BBS system on> the internet, I think I'll pass... for now...). Does anyone have any> experience with CoBBS? In looking through the source code, it appears> that I need to run "COTERM.BAS" in order to create "COTERM.BIN," and> then "LOADER.BAS" to modify it for use with the bit-banger port. Does> this sound correct? If so, I expect to have a DECB BBS available via> telnet sometime this weekend :)> > Rod Barnhart aka Wintermute> > --> Coco mailing list> Coco at maltedmedia.com> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 13:06:16 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a set of? COBBS disks from a bbs ran back in the 1980's so if you need files let me know and I can get into my box 'o goodies and see if I can find them for you. The disks also had backups of his message areas too I believe. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Rod Barnhart wrote: From: Rod Barnhart Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 8:34 AM After about a year's worth of delay (bought a house, needed to move and get somewhat settled in), I've finally had a bit of a chance to start working on getting a CoCo BBS up and running on the Internet. My plan is to initially use the bitbanger under DECB. Unless someone knows of a source for the other software mentioned at http://software.bbsdocumentary.com, it looks like I'm limited to CoBBS or ALLRAM (while it's tempting to put a cassette-based BBS system on the internet, I think I'll pass... for now...). Does anyone have any experience with CoBBS? In looking through the source code, it appears that I need to run "COTERM.BAS" in order to create "COTERM.BIN," and then "LOADER.BAS" to modify it for use with the bit-banger port. Does this sound correct? If so, I expect to have a DECB BBS available via telnet sometime this weekend :) Rod Barnhart aka Wintermute -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From skwirl42 at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:14:14 2008 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:14:14 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30808221014l4f24588fpec16c54911b66d06@mail.gmail.com> On 8/22/08, RON BIHLER wrote: > It did allow multitasking to some degree, however it is more complicated due to the > amount of options and it was origanally setup for the Fidonet. > Heck maybe I will set one up as well and we can Fidonet share messages :) > Starting to sound like old times again . Surprisingly (or maybe not) Fidonet is still around. I looked into it when the BBS documentary came out, found a couple of nodes that have internet connectivity. -- James Dessart From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:48:20 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:48:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808221048h6f1237e8hc2e856c1b99202d0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:50 PM, RON BIHLER wrote: > > If you can setup under OS9 or Nitros9 RiBBS was a very powerful BBS. I was the Author so I might be a bit bias :) If I had learned OS9 back in the day, I'd probably start with RiBBS. Since I didn''t, I'm going to start with something under DECB. I'll play with RiBBS in emulation until I manage to learn enough to get it working. Rod Barnhart aka Wintermute From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:51:37 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808221051td2a82fm18d5eac620c424a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Derek wrote: > I have a set of COBBS disks from a bbs ran back in the 1980's so if you need files let me know and I can get into my box 'o goodies and see if I can find them for you. The disks also had backups of his message areas too I believe. Thanks for the offer. I don't forsee any trouble with the files that are available. It's more likely that my trouble will be getting the TCP<->ComPort gateway software working. From adit at nationsdial.com Fri Aug 22 14:01:03 2008 From: adit at nationsdial.com (Dean Leiber) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:01:03 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3390B948-C51C-455E-82B5-B36C9A439359@nationsdial.com> On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:50 AM, RON BIHLER wrote: > If you can setup under OS9 or Nitros9 RiBBS was a very powerful > BBS. I was the Author so I might be a bit bias :) There is also StG BBS software floating around as well if you're up for OS-9. I used to run an StG BBS back in the day and I did play with RIBBS as well ;-D. I think there was also the RCIS BBS System on OS9 as well. I used to put the CoColist on the STG MSG forums by downloading a QWK package from a host that had internet access and then ran it through a program I wrote to Post the messages. If there are still working FidoNet nodes, perhaps looking at RIBBS might be the best idea. From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 15:20:53 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:20:53 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Vintage Computer Festival East 2008- mark your (Multi-View) Calendars now! Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808221220k1626f705ne1acfa6e1ec212b1@mail.gmail.com> Many of you are within transporter range of the colony known as New Jersey, and may be interested in this http://www.vintage.org/2008/east/ From 6809er at bjork-huffman.net Fri Aug 22 18:14:50 2008 From: 6809er at bjork-huffman.net (Steve) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:14:50 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Other Vintage Computer Festival 2008 & 2009 In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808221220k1626f705ne1acfa6e1ec212b1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8249c4ac0808221220k1626f705ne1acfa6e1ec212b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080822221611.EBCCB20A36@qs281.pair.com> There is also Vintage Computer Festival Midwest 4.0 at Purdue University (West Lafayette, Indiana) on April 26th & 27th. (http://www.vintage.org/2007/midwest/) I'll be at the Vintage Computer Festival 10.0 this November 3th & 4th at Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. (http://www.vintage.org/2007/main/) Steve At 12:20 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: >Many of you are within transporter range of the colony known as New >Jersey, and may be interested in this > >http://www.vintage.org/2008/east/ From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 19:07:21 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:07:21 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Preferred editor(s) under Nitros9 Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808221607x44428ab4y54900c270376dd8c@mail.gmail.com> Message: 16 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:51:41 -0400 From: Robert Gault Subject: Re: [Coco] Preferred editor(s) under Nitros9 To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Message-ID: <48AEB65D.8030004 at worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Does that mean you are now OK with using a .vhd drive with Vcc as asked >>about in a RAM disk thread? Configuring the vhd and VCC was more of an issue than just using it. Using a vhd instead of a floppy should be mostly transparent, other than the speed and capacity. >>If this is for an emulator system, don't restrict yourself to OS-9 >>programs. You can easily create source code with PC programs and copy >>the results to a .dsk or .vhd image for assembly. Not sure I follow you. Anything not written for OS9/Nitros9 will have to be ported in order to work under a different os. What program(s) do people use to create and write coco files to the the vhds? Tims WinImageTool (MESS) doesn't appear to be compatible with the vhd format. Why is more than one virtual hd format needed? Thanks for your help! From dml_68 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 19:20:07 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30808221014l4f24588fpec16c54911b66d06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <592929.7412.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can find a large list of Fido and other telnet based BBS's here: http://www.telnetbbsguide.com/ Surprisingly (or maybe not) Fidonet is still around. I looked into it when the BBS documentary came out, found a couple of nodes that have internet connectivity. -- James Dessart -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From alsplace at pobox.com Fri Aug 22 20:39:18 2008 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E6D8AB8-FC98-446D-9CD4-F3DB01FD222B@pobox.com> I say we get StG Net running again! I would SO be there! Delta! Hey, does anyone know if any of the CoCo emulators allow linking the virtual CoCo serial port to a socket? Like, I could assign a port, etc. on the emulator and when a telnet connection came in, it would read/write the data like serial data? I think I saw that in some CoCo emulator but only for oneway traffic or something ... anyone know? -- A From rbihler at msn.com Fri Aug 22 22:19:51 2008 From: rbihler at msn.com (Ron Bihler) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:19:51 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com><210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808221051td2a82fm18d5eac620c424a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Let me know how you do with the comport<>TCP gateway. This would be very interesting. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Barnhart" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Setting up a BBS > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Derek wrote: >> I have a set of COBBS disks from a bbs ran back in the 1980's so if you >> need files let me know and I can get into my box 'o goodies and see if I >> can find them for you. The disks also had backups of his message areas >> too I believe. > > Thanks for the offer. I don't forsee any trouble with the files that > are available. It's more likely that my trouble will be getting the > TCP<->ComPort gateway software working. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 22:45:38 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:45:38 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Regex tools for Nitros9 Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808221945gebf72afk4a7e118fa26f47c@mail.gmail.com> Did anyone ever make grep or other regex tools for os9- that still work under Nitros9? From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 23 07:01:33 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:01:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Preferred editor(s) under Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808221607x44428ab4y54900c270376dd8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808221607x44428ab4y54900c270376dd8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AFEE0D.1010508@worldnet.att.net> Tony Cappellini wrote: > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:51:41 -0400 > From: Robert Gault > Subject: Re: [Coco] Preferred editor(s) under Nitros9 > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Message-ID: <48AEB65D.8030004 at worldnet.att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >> Does that mean you are now OK with using a .vhd drive with Vcc as asked >>> about in a RAM disk thread? > > Configuring the vhd and VCC was more of an issue than just using it. > Using a vhd instead of a floppy should be mostly transparent, other than the > speed and capacity. > >>> If this is for an emulator system, don't restrict yourself to OS-9 >>> programs. You can easily create source code with PC programs and copy >>> the results to a .dsk or .vhd image for assembly. > > Not sure I follow you. Anything not written for OS9/Nitros9 will have to be > ported in order to work under a different os. You asked about editors not assemblers. OS-9 already has a very good assembler but editors are another issue. As the source code is just an ascii file, any good "what you see is what you get" program can create the source code file. It just needs to be put on a drive image with lines ending in $0D and not $0D0A. RainbowIDE is contains such an editor and also can create .os9 images readable from an emulated version of NitrOS-9. > > > What program(s) do people use to create and write coco files to the the > vhds? > Tims WinImageTool (MESS) doesn't appear to be compatible with the vhd > format. > Why is more than one virtual hd format needed? > There is only one .vhd format regards the Coco. Wimgtool will read and extract files from OS-9 .vhd images but does not work for inserting files. Boisy's Toolshed os9.exe will but read and write to OS-9 .vhd images. That and some other tools can be obtained from http://sourceforge.net/projects/toolshed/ From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 23 07:04:31 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:04:31 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Regex tools for Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808221945gebf72afk4a7e118fa26f47c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808221945gebf72afk4a7e118fa26f47c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AFEEBF.9080306@worldnet.att.net> Tony Cappellini wrote: > Did anyone ever make grep or other regex tools for os9- that still work > under Nitros9? > Look through the RTSI site http://www.rtsi.com/ftparchive.html in the os-9 6x09 section. Most if not all of the programs should work. Those that won't and have source files probably will work if recompiled. From chawks at dls.net Sat Aug 23 15:13:19 2008 From: chawks at dls.net (Christopher Hawks) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:13:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Regex tools for Nitros9 In-Reply-To: <48AFEEBF.9080306@worldnet.att.net> References: <8249c4ac0808221945gebf72afk4a7e118fa26f47c@mail.gmail.com> <48AFEEBF.9080306@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <48B0614F.1060705@dls.net> Robert Gault said the following on 08/23/2008 06:04 AM: > Tony Cappellini wrote: >> Did anyone ever make grep or other regex tools for os9- that still work >> under Nitros9? >> > > Look through the RTSI site http://www.rtsi.com/ftparchive.html in the > os-9 6x09 section. Most if not all of the programs should work. Those > that won't and have source files probably will work if recompiled. There are a couple in the NitrOS-9 source in 3rdparty/utils/boisy (grep and awk) as well as some other useful utilities. -- Christopher R. Hawks HAWKSoft --------------------------------------------------------- On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Aug 23 17:01:43 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Coco] joistick problem Message-ID: <48B07AB7.7000309@cox.net> All, I fired up my coco3 that hadn't been in use for quite some time. The first problem I had was with poor chip and cable connectons. After using DeoxIT and DeoxIT Gold on all chip contacts/sockets, cables etc every thing seems to be quite stable! So far I have discoverd only one problem I havn't been able to figure out. That is: The joystick response was about 1 second behind the movement after my initial startup. After the machine has been on for about 24 hours the differenc is less than 1/2 second. It appears to me that some timing somewhere is off and makes me suspect a capacitor or resistor somewhere that has drifted closer to its correct value after some use. I have only used it under os9 lvl2 with multivue The symptom is exactly the same with or without the hi-res interface, and in both the left and right joystick ports. Also, which may or may not be of importance, this is a re-pack, using a PC power supply etc. Has anybody seen this? And if so, could you give me some trouble shooting pointers? I Am a system support engineer for Sun Microsystems, and work on million dollar plus systems, and If I had this problem would change out the mother board! ha ha ha unfortunately that is not an option. Thanks in advance, Tim Fadden From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 17:07:01 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:07:01 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808221051td2a82fm18d5eac620c424a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808231407y49d86a09o5fd100da7d655c26@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Ron Bihler wrote: > Let me know how you do with the comport<>TCP gateway. This would be very > interesting. A package that some of the C64 folks are using is at http://home.ica.net/~leifb/bbs/. It runs on a Windows box, listens for an incoming telnet connection on whatever port you define, and sends it out a serial port. I *think* I have this working on an old Win98 box with some DOS-based BBS software (I wired the motherboard serial headers together like a null-modem cable, only the cable never leaves the box. Telnet comes in port 23, goes out Com1, and the BBS answers on Com2. It seems to be working, so my next step is to test the CoCo <-> PC null modem cable that I wired last night. If that works, then I just need to get the BBS software running on the CoCo... Rod From jps.subscriptions at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 17:13:17 2008 From: jps.subscriptions at gmail.com (J.P. Samson) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:13:17 -0600 Subject: [Coco] joistick problem In-Reply-To: <48B07AB7.7000309@cox.net> References: <48B07AB7.7000309@cox.net> Message-ID: <8783BE2C-1B58-4018-885A-D06C722C3F93@gmail.com> On Aug 23, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > The joystick response was about 1 second behind the movement after > my initial startup. After the machine has been on for about 24 hours > the differenc is less than 1/2 second. > > Has anybody seen this? And if so, could you give me some trouble > shooting pointers? I know next to nothing about hardware, so will just pass along the basic information from the CoCo 3 Service Manual: Run the following program and check if the numbers vary with joystick position or depressing fire button: 10 CLS 20 FOR J=0 TO 3 30 PRINT at J*16, JOYSTK(J) 40 NEXT J 50 GOTO 20 Check D8 through D11 and the components around them (e.g. C18, C19, C22, C23). -- JP From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 01:51:19 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:51:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808231407y49d86a09o5fd100da7d655c26@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808221051td2a82fm18d5eac620c424a@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808231407y49d86a09o5fd100da7d655c26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808232251s1dcc1d37gc27ad9f2f6a7fa06@mail.gmail.com> Here's a bit of a progress report on where I'm at with the BBS project. While setting up my CoCo, I discovered both drives from my FD-502 system appear to be bad, as does drive 1 from my FD-501 system. At least I still have a working drive, or I might have been stuck with ALLRAM ;) I discovered Ultimaterm 4.0 among my CoCo floppies, so I was able to test out my CoCo<->PC null modem cable. It works fine, so I fired up the tcp<=>comport software and typed atdt192.168.1.254 and got the login prompt to my Linux server, as expected. Now I just need to transfer CoBBS over to the CoCo, but have no 5 1/4" drives in any of my PCs. Transmitting each file via Xmodem between Hyperterminal and Ultimaterm is a bit tedious for 2AM, so I will resume that sometime tomorrow. Some of the filenames appear to start with a leading space. Will Ultimaterm let me save the files that way? -- Rod Barnhart From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 24 07:44:48 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:44:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808232251s1dcc1d37gc27ad9f2f6a7fa06@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808221051td2a82fm18d5eac620c424a@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808231407y49d86a09o5fd100da7d655c26@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808232251s1dcc1d37gc27ad9f2f6a7fa06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B149B0.9050208@worldnet.att.net> Rod Barnhart wrote: > Here's a bit of a progress report on where I'm at with the BBS > project. While setting up my CoCo, I discovered both drives from my > FD-502 system appear to be bad, as does drive 1 from my FD-501 system. > At least I still have a working drive, or I might have been stuck with > ALLRAM ;) > > I discovered Ultimaterm 4.0 among my CoCo floppies, so I was able to > test out my CoCo<->PC null modem cable. It works fine, so I fired up > the tcp<=>comport software and typed atdt192.168.1.254 and got the > login prompt to my Linux server, as expected. > > Now I just need to transfer CoBBS over to the CoCo, but have no 5 1/4" > drives in any of my PCs. Transmitting each file via Xmodem between > Hyperterminal and Ultimaterm is a bit tedious for 2AM, so I will > resume that sometime tomorrow. Some of the filenames appear to start > with a leading space. Will Ultimaterm let me save the files that way? > > > -- > Rod Barnhart > If your old drives were good when you put them into storage, about the only thing that could cause drive failure now is dried up lubricant. Wipe down the rails with light oil and inspect other moving parts. You can use 3.5" drives with a Coco without any changes. Typically that will make a 3.5" drive #2 in 0-3 unless you modify the ribbon cable or are lucky enough to have dip switches in the drives. If you are concerned about file names, why not change them? There does not seem to be any reason why a file name on a Coco should have a leading space. In any case, if you do use Ultimaterm to make the transfers, you can always rename the files back to the original once on the Coco system. From operator at coco3.com Sun Aug 24 10:32:28 2008 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:32:28 -0500 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. In-Reply-To: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080824143235.A407B20A33@qs281.pair.com> At 11:14 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: >I have a box of ISA boards that I will give to the first person who >wants them for just the cost of shipping. I think that there is even >a radio board in the box, but I am not sure. > >-Jim Cox >http://miba51.blogspot.com/ What is "ISA" ? From RJRTTY at aol.com Sun Aug 24 11:32:14 2008 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:32:14 EDT Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2008 1:51:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rod.barnhart at gmail.com writes: Here's a bit of a progress report on where I'm at with the BBS project. While setting up my CoCo, I discovered both drives from my FD-502 system appear to be bad, as does drive 1 from my FD-501 system. At least I still have a working drive, or I might have been stuck with ALLRAM ;) If I were you I would try another cable before you give up on the drives. That's what happen to me when I got my drives out of storage. The problem disappeared when I swapped cables..... Also check the power supply..... Roy **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From os9dude at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 11:38:54 2008 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. In-Reply-To: <20080824143235.A407B20A33@qs281.pair.com> References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> <20080824143235.A407B20A33@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <5631e580808240838m51ccbeeewb350b822379de7b3@mail.gmail.com> You're kidding Roger, right? :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Standard_Architecture -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 11:14 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: > >> I have a box of ISA boards that I will give to the first person who >> wants them for just the cost of shipping. I think that there is even >> a radio board in the box, but I am not sure. >> >> -Jim Cox >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> > > > > What is "ISA" ? > > From georgeramsower at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 11:52:56 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:52:56 -0500 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c90601$7a8377e0$d4b1b1d8@house> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cox" >I have a box of ISA boards that I will give to the first person who > wants them for just the cost of shipping. I think that there is even > a radio board in the box, but I am not sure. > > -Jim Cox I've used old ISA cards for the edge connectors to build Y-cables for cocos. Just cut 'em out and solder the ribbon cables to them. Works goodly for that. George From alsplace at pobox.com Sun Aug 24 11:57:39 2008 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:57:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:32 AM, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > At least I still have a working drive, or I might have been stuck > with > ALLRAM ;) You know, it dawns on me we might be able to use this to our advantage, and get some press for the CoCo Community. I expect just having a retro 80's BBS online (on a CoCo, Commdore 64, etc.) might be notable on some geek news site, but having something running off of a CASSETTE might get more notice. Perhaps as we get closer to CoCoFest 2009, we can see about getting some press this way. I have not had time to keep up with the CoCo List in awhile, but this is a project I think could be fun (especially given the various other things going on right now we'd like to tell the world about). And I'd really like to see StG Net resurface. That was one slick set of commands. -- My Des Moines, Iowa flood photos/blog: http://web.mac.com/allenhuffman/Flood2008 Over 98,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com (1980's Retro Computing: I want my CoCo 4! www.coco4.com) Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Aug 24 12:32:02 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:32:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. In-Reply-To: <001601c90601$7a8377e0$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> <001601c90601$7a8377e0$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <200808241232.02139.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 24 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Cox" > >>I have a box of ISA boards that I will give to the first person who >> wants them for just the cost of shipping. I think that there is even >> a radio board in the box, but I am not sure. >> >> -Jim Cox > > I've used old ISA cards for the edge connectors to build Y-cables for >cocos. Just cut 'em out and solder the ribbon cables to them. > > Works goodly for that. > Also as gold plated replacements for the MPI's 'solder plated' and worthless edge connector where it plugs into the coco's nice gold plated side port connector. Tedious soldering job though, but worth every strained eyeball once done... > >George > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Browser's cookie is corrupted -- someone's been nibbling on it. From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 13:10:50 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:10:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <48B149B0.9050208@worldnet.att.net> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808221051td2a82fm18d5eac620c424a@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808231407y49d86a09o5fd100da7d655c26@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808232251s1dcc1d37gc27ad9f2f6a7fa06@mail.gmail.com> <48B149B0.9050208@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808241010h546dffd6h339dd60d8aec802f@mail.gmail.com> > If your old drives were good when you put them into storage, about the only > thing that could cause drive failure now is dried up lubricant. Wipe down > the rails with light oil and inspect other moving parts. > > You can use 3.5" drives with a Coco without any changes. Typically that will > make a 3.5" drive #2 in 0-3 unless you modify the ribbon cable or are lucky > enough to have dip switches in the drives. > > If you are concerned about file names, why not change them? There does not > seem to be any reason why a file name on a Coco should have a leading space. > In any case, if you do use Ultimaterm to make the transfers, you can always > rename the files back to the original once on the Coco system. The drives were good, but we've moved since putting them in storage, so it's hard to say how badly they've been mishandled. I'll try some lubrication when I get a moment... The leading spaces seem to be there in the original disk image, so I'm betting CoBBS expects the space to be there. Ultimaterm seems to be able to save them with the leading space, so that's not an issue... Except Ultimaterm seems to have died overnight, and I can't get it to load now (?FS error... ARGH!!!), so I'm digging out a 3.5" drive to hook up to the CoCo. I've probably got a couple dozen 3.5" drives, so maybe I'll get lucky and find one with jumpers or dip switches... Rod From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 13:16:22 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:16:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808241016o71f9ed5ew5451831de9fe4dc8@mail.gmail.com> > If I were you I would try another cable before you give up > on the drives. That's what happen to me when I got > my drives out of storage. The problem disappeared > when I swapped cables..... > Also check the power supply..... Two cables give the same results (granted, I could have two bad cables, but what are the odds?)... Power supply seems fine... I think I get get away with a single working drive with CoBBS, so I'll worry about them later. BTW, have I mentioned lately how awesome your CoCo-VGA adapter is? It's really saving the ol' eyes... Rod From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 13:48:56 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:48:56 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808241048h1e515983kc0910a12da46dbe4@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Allen Huffman wrote: > On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:32 AM, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: >> >> At least I still have a working drive, or I might have been stuck with >> ALLRAM ;) > > You know, it dawns on me we might be able to use this to our advantage, and > get some press for the CoCo Community. I expect just having a retro 80's BBS > online (on a CoCo, Commdore 64, etc.) might be notable on some geek news > site, but having something running off of a CASSETTE might get more notice. > > Perhaps as we get closer to CoCoFest 2009, we can see about getting some > press this way. > > I have not had time to keep up with the CoCo List in awhile, but this is a > project I think could be fun (especially given the various other things > going on right now we'd like to tell the world about). > > And I'd really like to see StG Net resurface. That was one slick set of > commands. There are several C64s, Apple ]['s, and various other 8-bit BBSs sitting out there on the net. If I can get past all the minor issues (Murphy was an optimist), this might be the first CoCo BBS on the Internet. Solving the "hard stuff" and just getting something up is my immediate goal, but I'm open to suggestions for where to go after that :) (The hardest thing so far, aside from discovering problems with 20 year old equipment, has been finding the telnet<->comport gateway... If it weren't for hardware and software failures, I'd be done by now.) Rod From flexser at fiu.edu Sun Aug 24 15:05:23 2008 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808241016o71f9ed5ew5451831de9fe4dc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Rod Barnhart wrote: > > If I were you I would try another cable before you give up > > on the drives. That's what happen to me when I got > > my drives out of storage. The problem disappeared > > when I swapped cables..... > > Also check the power supply..... > > Two cables give the same results (granted, I could have two bad > cables, but what are the odds?)... Power supply seems fine... I think > I get get away with a single working drive with CoBBS, so I'll worry > about them later. > You might also check for oxidation on the drive and controller connectors. Art From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 15:09:41 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:09:41 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808241048h1e515983kc0910a12da46dbe4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> <6cd9b02e0808241048h1e515983kc0910a12da46dbe4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> Another quick update: it finally occurred to me to put the CoCo drive in the PC and use DSKINI to transfer COBBS.DSK to a real CoCo floppy. So I did, and then I reconnected it to the CoCo3, ran coterm.bas to create coterm.bin. Then I ran loader.bas to modify coterm.bin for use with the bitbanger. Finally, I ran startup.bas to fire up CoBBS. It asked me for the date, day of week, and time, then died with an ?NE ERROR IN LINE 190, and the CoCo is frozen solid. Somehow I don't think that's what it was supposed to do ;) A couple of possibilities: CoBBS won't run on a 3 (anyone know if it will?), dskini borked the disk (This is a distinct possibility. I made several copies. They all die in the same spot.), or I've managed to get one of the versions of CoBBS mentioned on http://software.bbsdocumentary.com that simply doesn't work. I'm momentarily stalled again, but I'll run some tests under various emulators to see if I can track down my latest problem... -- Rod Barnhart From t.fadden at cox.net Sun Aug 24 16:02:16 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:02:16 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> <6cd9b02e0808241048h1e515983kc0910a12da46dbe4@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B1BE48.7020709@cox.net> Rod, Out of the manual: NE: The computer Can't find the disk file you want. Check the disk's directory to see if the file is there. If you have two disk drive, you might not have included the appropriate drive number in the file name. If you are using COPY, KILL, or RENAME, you might have left off the extension. Out of me: :-) Did you do a list on line 190 to see what it was trying to write to? Is it trying to write to another drive? What does line 190 say?... what is being passed to it? ...that is the key. Great luck in your efforts! and willing to help if you want it. he he he Rod Barnhart wrote: > Another quick update: it finally occurred to me to put the CoCo drive > in the PC and use DSKINI to transfer COBBS.DSK to a real CoCo floppy. > So I did, and then I reconnected it to the CoCo3, ran coterm.bas to > create coterm.bin. Then I ran loader.bas to modify coterm.bin for use > with the bitbanger. Finally, I ran startup.bas to fire up CoBBS. It > asked me for the date, day of week, and time, then died with an ?NE > ERROR IN LINE 190, and the CoCo is frozen solid. Somehow I don't think > that's what it was supposed to do ;) > > A couple of possibilities: CoBBS won't run on a 3 (anyone know if it > will?), dskini borked the disk (This is a distinct possibility. I made > several copies. They all die in the same spot.), or I've managed to > get one of the versions of CoBBS mentioned on > http://software.bbsdocumentary.com that simply doesn't work. > > I'm momentarily stalled again, but I'll run some tests under various > emulators to see if I can track down my latest problem... > > -- > Rod Barnhart > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 16:11:47 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:11:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> <6cd9b02e0808241048h1e515983kc0910a12da46dbe4@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808241311y6cc02590o254758bea042ff3e@mail.gmail.com> Yet another update... It appears that CoBBS won't run on a tre. It fires up fine in Keil's CoCo2 emulator, but I get the same results under Keil's CoCo3 emulator as on the real thing. Since my real CoCo2's are all MIA (presumed lost in last the move), I need another solution. Allen, will ALLRAM run on a 3? Or does anyone have any DECB BBS software that will? I simply lack the OS9 experience to tackle something like RiBBS at this time. -- Rod Barnhart From t.fadden at cox.net Sun Aug 24 16:12:10 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:12:10 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> <6cd9b02e0808241048h1e515983kc0910a12da46dbe4@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B1C09A.9090502@cox.net> Rod, I have yahoo and aim chat up if your interested. yahoo: timfadden Aim: MrTimFadden Tim. Rod Barnhart wrote: > Another quick update: it finally occurred to me to put the CoCo drive > in the PC and use DSKINI to transfer COBBS.DSK to a real CoCo floppy. > So I did, and then I reconnected it to the CoCo3, ran coterm.bas to > create coterm.bin. Then I ran loader.bas to modify coterm.bin for use > with the bitbanger. Finally, I ran startup.bas to fire up CoBBS. It > asked me for the date, day of week, and time, then died with an ?NE > ERROR IN LINE 190, and the CoCo is frozen solid. Somehow I don't think > that's what it was supposed to do ;) > > A couple of possibilities: CoBBS won't run on a 3 (anyone know if it > will?), dskini borked the disk (This is a distinct possibility. I made > several copies. They all die in the same spot.), or I've managed to > get one of the versions of CoBBS mentioned on > http://software.bbsdocumentary.com that simply doesn't work. > > I'm momentarily stalled again, but I'll run some tests under various > emulators to see if I can track down my latest problem... > > -- > Rod Barnhart > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From alsplace at pobox.com Sun Aug 24 16:23:26 2008 From: alsplace at pobox.com (Allen Huffman) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:23:26 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808241311y6cc02590o254758bea042ff3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> <6cd9b02e0808241048h1e515983kc0910a12da46dbe4@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808241311y6cc02590o254758bea042ff3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Aug 24, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Rod Barnhart wrote: > Allen, will ALLRAM run on a 3? Or does anyone have any DECB BBS > software that will? I simply lack the OS9 experience to tackle > something like RiBBS at this time. Yes, it just used Extended Color BASIC. But, you still need to find a terminal driver for it. I think back in the day we used REMOTERM or something, but the much better one was the one written by the Ultimaterm guy -- I forget the name of it, but as long as it didn't take up too much memory from BASIC, it would be fairly easy to get going. -- My Des Moines, Iowa flood photos/blog: http://web.mac.com/allenhuffman/Flood2008 Over 98,000 digital pics from Disney, Theme Parks, and Ren Fests! Visit http://www.AtTheFaire.com or http://www.DisneyFans.com (1980's Retro Computing: I want my CoCo 4! www.coco4.com) Orlando (and other places) cheap luxury vacation offers - and I get credit! http://www.WestgateResorts.com/or/index.cfm?acct=9009895609&sales=8664429956&language=en From jimcox at miba51.com Sun Aug 24 17:28:39 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:28:39 -0700 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. In-Reply-To: <200808241232.02139.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> <001601c90601$7a8377e0$d4b1b1d8@house> <200808241232.02139.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808241428tfd0eaf6h92b8436c872fd1b5@mail.gmail.com> Great advice, but is anyone interested in taking them off my hands? -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 24 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jim Cox" >> >>>I have a box of ISA boards that I will give to the first person who >>> wants them for just the cost of shipping. I think that there is even >>> a radio board in the box, but I am not sure. >>> >>> -Jim Cox >> >> I've used old ISA cards for the edge connectors to build Y-cables for >>cocos. Just cut 'em out and solder the ribbon cables to them. >> >> Works goodly for that. >> > Also as gold plated replacements for the MPI's 'solder plated' and worthless > edge connector where it plugs into the coco's nice gold plated side port > connector. Tedious soldering job though, but worth every strained eyeball > once done... >> >>George >> >> >>-- >>Coco mailing list >>Coco at maltedmedia.com >>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Browser's cookie is corrupted -- someone's been nibbling on it. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From ed.orbea at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 18:01:55 2008 From: ed.orbea at gmail.com (Ed Orbea) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:01:55 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Micro Works Software Message-ID: <48B1DA53.7020301@gmail.com> Back when I first had my CoCo, I purchased the Macro80 Software, because it was easier (at least to me) to learn the Edtasm. Now, I am getting into retro-computing with a recently acquired CoCo 3, I am trying to find a source for this software, but can not locate it on any of the FTP sites or Web Pages. Can anybody direct me to where this can be obtained? Thanks Ed Orbea From cappy2112 at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 21:34:59 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:34:59 -0700 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808241834l68b305ddp19402e12f456cf43@mail.gmail.com> (this was accidentally save to my drafts and never got sent) >>OK, there is a good bit of confusion on how to use Vcc. There is a pdf >>file Welcome to Vcc.pdf that explains how to use the emulator but the >>explanation seems to need some help. I didn't know there was a pdf until now. It's installed in Program Files when you run the installer. (I have been looking for some docs for Vcc for awhile) First of all, I'm able to boot Nitros by doing DOS 253, but i want to understand a few things along the way. When I boot, it shows the Nitros9 image is from 2006. It probably makes good sense for me to make a new vhd with the 2008 version of Nitros. Does the Cloud 9 RTC pull the date/time from my Windows PC? When I booted the vjhsd, it has the same time as my Windows system. Obviously a soft version of the RTC can't maintain state when Vcc isn't running. I guess was confusing was, Slot 3 of the MPI shows a hard drive + RTC, when in reality it is a hard drive controller emulator(not an actual hard drive emulator). >>So for example, if slot 4 is selected for the Cloud-9 controller then RGBDOS is active and a .vhd drive can be accessed but no floppies. >>If the FD-502 is mounted in slot 4 and RGBDOS is selected, a .vhd image can >>..be accessed as well as floppies but there is no RTC. These two statements are confusing. Is there something different about slot 4 than the other 3 slots? >Now as NitrOS-9 is already installed along with the boot disk and LINKed >>by the LINK.BAS program on drive 254, just enter DOS253 and NitrOS-9 >>will boot. Yes, this works. >>Further as HDBDOS (Cloud-9) is modeled on RGBDOS for >>which Boisy now own the rights, you can also get the HDBDOS docs from >>Cloud-9 and they will match the emulator RGBDOS functions quite well. Is there an advantage to HDBDOS over RGBDOS? Since I'm only running emulators at this point, having a HDBdos in a rom doesn't seem useful. Perhaps I'm wrong. >>The helper programs included with RGBDOS, some of which are on the VCC >>.vhd image, are self explanatory for the most part. Since I've booted the HD, are these programs still needed? I havent run them, because I dont know what they will do, nor do I know which of them to run in which order. Thanks for these explanations, it's been very interesting and helpful. From georgeramsower at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 21:53:14 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:53:14 -0500 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com><001601c90601$7a8377e0$d4b1b1d8@house><200808241232.02139.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <6c92f46c0808241428tfd0eaf6h92b8436c872fd1b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101c90655$5669f060$d4b1b1d8@house> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cox" > Great advice, but is anyone interested in taking them off my hands? > > -Jim Cox That made me smile. I may be interested. How many cards are going to be shipped? I'm a pack rat but I do have limits. George > http://miba51.blogspot.com/ > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Gene Heskett >> On Sunday 24 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jim Cox" >>> >>>>I have a box of ISA boards that I will give to the first person who >>>> wants them for just the cost of shipping. I think that there is even >>>> a radio board in the box, but I am not sure. >>>> >>>> -Jim Cox >>> >>> I've used old ISA cards for the edge connectors to build Y-cables for >>>cocos. Just cut 'em out and solder the ribbon cables to them. >>> >>> Works goodly for that. >>> >> Also as gold plated replacements for the MPI's 'solder plated' and >> worthless >> edge connector where it plugs into the coco's nice gold plated side port >> connector. Tedious soldering job though, but worth every strained >> eyeball >> once done... >>> >>>George From devries.bob at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 21:55:01 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:55:01 +1000 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) References: <8249c4ac0808241834l68b305ddp19402e12f456cf43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003901c90655$981a5860$0701a8c0@master> Tony said: > When I boot, it shows the Nitros9 image is from 2006. It probably > makes good sense for me to make a new vhd with the 2008 version of > Nitros. Thanks for the (perhaps inadvertant) heads-up. I hadn't realised that a 2008 version was available. I've downloaded that now. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Cappellini" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: [Coco] (no subject) > (this was accidentally save to my drafts and never got sent) > >>>OK, there is a good bit of confusion on how to use Vcc. There is a pdf >>>file Welcome to Vcc.pdf that explains how to use the emulator but the >>>explanation seems to need some help. > I didn't know there was a pdf until now. It's installed in Program > Files when you run the installer. > (I have been looking for some docs for Vcc for awhile) > > First of all, I'm able to boot Nitros by doing DOS 253, but i want to > understand a few things along the way. > > When I boot, it shows the Nitros9 image is from 2006. It probably > makes good sense for me to make a new vhd with the 2008 version of > Nitros. > > Does the Cloud 9 RTC pull the date/time from my Windows PC? > When I booted the vjhsd, it has the same time as my Windows system. > Obviously a soft version of the RTC can't > maintain state when Vcc isn't running. > > I guess was confusing was, Slot 3 of the MPI shows a hard drive + RTC, > when in reality it is a hard drive controller emulator(not an actual > hard drive emulator). > > >>>So for example, if slot 4 is selected for the Cloud-9 controller then >>>RGBDOS is active and a .vhd drive can be accessed but no floppies. > >>>If the FD-502 is mounted in slot 4 and RGBDOS is selected, a .vhd image >>>can >>>..be accessed as well as floppies but there is no RTC. > > These two statements are confusing. > > Is there something different about slot 4 than the other 3 slots? > > >>Now as NitrOS-9 is already installed along with the boot disk and LINKed >>>by the LINK.BAS program on drive 254, just enter DOS253 and NitrOS-9 >>>will boot. > Yes, this works. > >>>Further as HDBDOS (Cloud-9) is modeled on RGBDOS for >>>which Boisy now own the rights, you can also get the HDBDOS docs from >>>Cloud-9 and they will match the emulator RGBDOS functions quite well. > Is there an advantage to HDBDOS over RGBDOS? > > Since I'm only running emulators at this point, having a HDBdos in a > rom doesn't seem useful. Perhaps I'm wrong. > >>>The helper programs included with RGBDOS, some of which are on the VCC >>>.vhd image, are self explanatory for the most part. > Since I've booted the HD, are these programs still needed? > I havent run them, because I dont know what they will do, nor do I > know which of them to run in which order. > > Thanks for these explanations, it's been very interesting and helpful. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From ty140 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 22:28:55 2008 From: ty140 at hotmail.com (Ty S) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:28:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Status update Message-ID: To all, In light of the recent [not so kind] threads, I thought I'd clarify what's happening with my original project proposed some 9-odd months ago. Like most on this list, a lot of changes in my life have taken my free time away and left many project unfinished. As I haven't had time to be an active member in this community, I've taken enjoyment in reading what e-mails I have time for and learning about a machine which I grew up with, albeit without anything peripherals beyond a stock 128k CoCo3. Far be it for me to interject with my own ideas and opinions when I can't find 15 minutes to respond to some messages. :) My hardware single step unit is still sitting as a schematic, with most simulation work done 4 months ago. When I'll have time to build a prototype is beyond me. The book I was working on which would help those get a better grasp on the electronics in the CoCo 3 is also, unfortunately, on hold. Here's looking forward to 3 weeks off around Christmas this year! Keep the great e-mails coming around -- it's always nice to learn bits and pieces as I get time. Nevermind that this inbox has 350 odd unread e-mails... mostly from this group. Kind Wishes, Ty _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 From Nuxie at aol.com Sun Aug 24 22:35:58 2008 From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:35:58 EDT Subject: [Coco] Whoa! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/2008 10:37:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, RJRTTY at aol.com writes: Just so you know that was not me Mary but I will still be your chief recruiter.. Now get out there you bums and send Mary some material for her newsletter!!!! :) Roy HeHe well I will let my mistakes slide! hehe i have to read over 878 emails tonight lmao! what the world is a gal to do! Mary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From Nuxie at aol.com Sun Aug 24 22:43:53 2008 From: Nuxie at aol.com (Nuxie at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:43:53 EDT Subject: [Coco] BASIC game Message-ID: In a message dated 8/21/2008 7:11:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnguin at hotmail.com writes: Found it. Page 171 of TRS-80 Color Computer Programs, a book from radio Shack. 62-2313 A quick look through the code (I'll scan this tomorrow and post it somewhere) makes this look pretty interesting. It has the code well laid out and then a good set of ideas on how to expand the software. John would make a great submission for the next issue of CoCoNutz! E-zine? hehehehhe Mary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 24 22:44:26 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:44:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808241834l68b305ddp19402e12f456cf43@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808241834l68b305ddp19402e12f456cf43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B21C8A.2090606@worldnet.att.net> Tony Cappellini wrote: > (this was accidentally save to my drafts and never got sent) > >>> OK, there is a good bit of confusion on how to use Vcc. There is a pdf >>> file Welcome to Vcc.pdf that explains how to use the emulator but the >>> explanation seems to need some help. > I didn't know there was a pdf until now. It's installed in Program > Files when you run the installer. > (I have been looking for some docs for Vcc for awhile) > > First of all, I'm able to boot Nitros by doing DOS 253, but i want to > understand a few things along the way. > > When I boot, it shows the Nitros9 image is from 2006. It probably > makes good sense for me to make a new vhd with the 2008 version of > Nitros. Yes and you can get that from the SourceForge site http://sourceforge.net/projects/nitros9/ > > Does the Cloud 9 RTC pull the date/time from my Windows PC? > When I booted the vjhsd, it has the same time as my Windows system. > Obviously a soft version of the RTC can't > maintain state when Vcc isn't running. > Since Vcc is an emulation, the only place the emulated Cloud-9 controller can get the time from is the PC clock. Don't confuse emulated hardware with the real thing. :) > I guess was confusing was, Slot 3 of the MPI shows a hard drive + RTC, > when in reality it is a hard drive controller emulator(not an actual > hard drive emulator). Right, drives are not mounted in the MPI only device controllers. > > >>> So for example, if slot 4 is selected for the Cloud-9 controller then RGBDOS is active and a .vhd drive can be accessed but no floppies. > >>> If the FD-502 is mounted in slot 4 and RGBDOS is selected, a .vhd image can >>> ..be accessed as well as floppies but there is no RTC. > > These two statements are confusing. How so? > > Is there something different about slot 4 than the other 3 slots? There is nothing different about the 4 MPI slots. However only one at a time can be active. The default slot is 4 where the floppy controller containing a DOS ROM is normally placed. > > >> Now as NitrOS-9 is already installed along with the boot disk and LINKed >>> by the LINK.BAS program on drive 254, just enter DOS253 and NitrOS-9 >>> will boot. > Yes, this works. > >>> Further as HDBDOS (Cloud-9) is modeled on RGBDOS for >>> which Boisy now own the rights, you can also get the HDBDOS docs from >>> Cloud-9 and they will match the emulator RGBDOS functions quite well. > Is there an advantage to HDBDOS over RGBDOS? Again, you are confusing real and emulated systems. On emulated systems there is no HDBDOS version only RGBDOS. Since RGBDOS is no longer sold for real hardware, the differences between HDBDOS and RGBDOS are a moot point. Read the docs on HDBDOS and see how many of the commands and features are present in RGBDOS for emulated systems. > > Since I'm only running emulators at this point, having a HDBdos in a > rom doesn't seem useful. Perhaps I'm wrong. There is no version of HDBDOS for emulated systems known to me. > >>> The helper programs included with RGBDOS, some of which are on the VCC >>> .vhd image, are self explanatory for the most part. > Since I've booted the HD, are these programs still needed? > I havent run them, because I dont know what they will do, nor do I > know which of them to run in which order. Read the docs included with my RGBDOS package for emulated systems or just look at the Basic code. > > Thanks for these explanations, it's been very interesting and helpful. > From coconut at pritchard.ca Sun Aug 24 22:53:48 2008 From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:53:48 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. Message-ID: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca> Hello out there, Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour. Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to Dennis telling me some information about the mailing list server. I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired years ago. The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all the way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I have are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card. Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1. It has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I could install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one. I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk related. Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look at to determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and booting from the FDC ROM? The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA MV-1 38 84, and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip. The markings on the ROM are TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A. It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or chips, though I have not tested any of them. Also I have tried the time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo. Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time in their lives, help would sure be appreciated. Regards, Ryan Pritchard Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies From dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com Sun Aug 24 22:59:18 2008 From: dennis-ix at maltedmedia.com (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:59:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Your addresses Message-ID: <200808250301.m7P31GLX017350@tv-failover-01.trans-video.net> Hi all, Just a reminder -- three folks have contacted me in the past week that their posts were not going through. They were posting from addresses which were not signed up. The list doesn't know you by name, only by the specific email you used to sign up. So the address you post from must be your signup address (I get so much list-owner spam that you'll see my posting address above constantly changes; right now I'm "dennis-ix"). If you think you might want to post from several addresses, sign them all up, go to your list preferences page, and turn off receipt of posts for all but your preferred receiving address. Dennis Buy my new book! "We Are All Mozart" From operator at coco3.com Sun Aug 24 23:11:07 2008 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:11:07 -0500 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. In-Reply-To: <5631e580808240838m51ccbeeewb350b822379de7b3@mail.gmail.com > References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> <20080824143235.A407B20A33@qs281.pair.com> <5631e580808240838m51ccbeeewb350b822379de7b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080825031118.8AC7620A33@qs281.pair.com> At 10:38 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote: >You're kidding Roger, right? :-) > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Standard_Architecture No, because there's two ISA acronyms, and on top of that I don't know all of the 1,000+ computer acronyms. And after reading that it could be Industry Standard Architecture I still didn't know what the card itself does. ISO is a "standard" as well. :) Not being grumpy, but I just had a mexican guy back his Ford F150 on TOP of the hood of my car. I was in park, 20 feet away, he saw my headlights, he stopped for a second, hesitated, then GUNNED his truck to about 15mph, I sat on the horn but yet he spun gravel anyway until he hit me. His bumper was just high enough to catch the exact spot where the hood meets the headlight, and his truck rode up the hood cutting a 1 inch gash about 2 feet long right through the hood with the bolt that drops from the trailer hitch. By the time his reflexes kicked in, his truck was ass-end in the air and one tire was on my hood. I yelled at him for about 15 seconds before I realized it wasn't worth it so I calmed down and we exchanged insurance info and all that jazz. Luckily, it will just need a new hood and a grill. Just enough of the top part of the grill surrounding the headlight was shattered. "No speaka English" is all I heard until I started taking pictures of the damage and his lic. plate and bumper with my digital cam then he magically started to learn some English. From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sun Aug 24 23:20:48 2008 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:20:48 -0400 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com><20080824143235.A407B20A33@qs281.pair.com><5631e580808240838m51ccbeeewb350b822379de7b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080825031118.8AC7620A33@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <03f401c90661$9244b320$6501a8c0@trotter> > "No speaka English" is all I heard until I started taking pictures > of the damage and his lic. plate and bumper with my digital cam > then he magically started to learn some English. I hope you have a witness. I expect his story is that you ran into him. Bruce W. From keeper63 at cox.net Sun Aug 24 23:59:19 2008 From: keeper63 at cox.net (Andrew) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Disk Archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B22E17.9080703@cox.net> All, I found hosting for some stuff a few of you might be interested in. Both images are being hosted at "ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/" The first image is my conversion effort toward my portion of an archive that Carey wanted help with (a couple of years back), around 300 floppies worth. Tim Lindner got the other portion to deal with (not sure how many, I think it was around 100 - Carey?). I was able to get the majority converted, a few others I had to send on to Tim for his expertise. This archive is located in the above directory, and is named "coco_archive.iso". It is a CD ISO file (9660) meant to be burned to a CD (unless you can do a loopback mount). It contains many fun and interesting DSK images, I found a couple of them to be of note: * a copy of the FLEX operating system * OS-9 source code (and binaries) for Adventure I think you will enjoy this collection. The second image is an archive I created after a joint effort between Tim Lindner, Michael Crawford, and I dedicated toward getting Diecom Product's "Gates of Delerium" running on an emulator. In the course of the conversion of this software, we managed to obtain Dave Dies' blessing to the release of all Diecom's CoCo software releases to the community. A few copies of this software was released to a couple of interested parties, and thus these may be floating around already. I had also submitted to L. Curtis Boyle for inclusion on his site, but I don't know what happenned with it. Anyhow, this archive is in the same directory on RTSI's system, named "gofd.zip"... Enjoy! -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 00:26:15 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:26:15 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoCo Disk Archives References: <48B22E17.9080703@cox.net> Message-ID: <006401c9066a$befad760$0701a8c0@master> Andrew said: > I found hosting for some stuff a few of you might be interested in. > > Both images are being hosted at "ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/" I hope the management of RTSI won't mind the enormous increase of bandwidth that this will suck. 520MB+ Yikes! -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Disk Archives > All, > > I found hosting for some stuff a few of you might be interested in. > > Both images are being hosted at "ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/" > > The first image is my conversion effort toward my portion of an archive > that Carey wanted help with (a couple of years back), around 300 floppies > worth. Tim Lindner got the other portion to deal with (not sure how many, > I think it was around 100 - Carey?). I was able to get the majority > converted, a few others I had to send on to Tim for his expertise. > > This archive is located in the above directory, and is named > "coco_archive.iso". It is a CD ISO file (9660) meant to be burned to a CD > (unless you can do a loopback mount). It contains many fun and interesting > DSK images, I found a couple of them to be of note: > > * a copy of the FLEX operating system > * OS-9 source code (and binaries) for Adventure > > I think you will enjoy this collection. > > The second image is an archive I created after a joint effort between Tim > Lindner, Michael Crawford, and I dedicated toward getting Diecom Product's > "Gates of Delerium" running on an emulator. In the course of the > conversion of this software, we managed to obtain Dave Dies' blessing to > the release of all Diecom's CoCo software releases to the community. > > A few copies of this software was released to a couple of interested > parties, and thus these may be floating around already. I had also > submitted to L. Curtis Boyle for inclusion on his site, but I don't know > what happenned with it. > > Anyhow, this archive is in the same directory on RTSI's system, named > "gofd.zip"... > > Enjoy! > > -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From jimcox at miba51.com Mon Aug 25 00:33:34 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:33:34 -0700 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. In-Reply-To: <003101c90655$5669f060$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> <001601c90601$7a8377e0$d4b1b1d8@house> <200808241232.02139.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <6c92f46c0808241428tfd0eaf6h92b8436c872fd1b5@mail.gmail.com> <003101c90655$5669f060$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808242133l4184c14ct2b2b41d6531c47a0@mail.gmail.com> Stories of crazy drivers and ISO 9000 aside, the box is a about a one foot cube, but I will most likely put the boards in something bigger and with some padding. I would say that there are somewhere between 20 to 30 boards max. -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 6:53 PM, George Ramsower wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cox" > >> Great advice, but is anyone interested in taking them off my hands? >> >> -Jim Cox > > That made me smile. > > I may be interested. How many cards are going to be shipped? > I'm a pack rat but I do have limits. > > George > >> http://miba51.blogspot.com/ >> >> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Gene Heskett >>> >>> On Sunday 24 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jim Cox" >>>> >>>>> I have a box of ISA boards that I will give to the first person who >>>>> wants them for just the cost of shipping. I think that there is even >>>>> a radio board in the box, but I am not sure. >>>>> >>>>> -Jim Cox >>>> >>>> I've used old ISA cards for the edge connectors to build Y-cables for >>>> cocos. Just cut 'em out and solder the ribbon cables to them. >>>> >>>> Works goodly for that. >>>> >>> Also as gold plated replacements for the MPI's 'solder plated' and >>> worthless >>> edge connector where it plugs into the coco's nice gold plated side port >>> connector. Tedious soldering job though, but worth every strained >>> eyeball >>> once done... >>>> >>>> George > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 00:34:32 2008 From: da3m0n_slay3r at yahoo.com (Bill Barnes) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoBBS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <897653.84299.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ? I think I remember that one... came out in The Rainbow, Nov '85, I think. IF indeed I am not confused about it, CoBBS could run on a single floppy, but was better on a multiple drive system so as to allow room for the message bases and the limited file transfer (ASCII only I believe) capabilities. ? CoBBS itself was pure BASIC, and made no special attempts to print to anything else but the screen, unless you told it to print your log onto a printer. The Software that made it work was older, and initially?made the bit-banger port I/O parallel to the keyboard/tv I/O. There was a modified version of this to use the RS-232 pack instead. Also I remember that there was some patches to let CoBBS work on a CoCo 3, unfortunately by then I was no longer running the BBS. (I even made some mods to CoBBS, but alas, they're as gone as my whole CoCo setup is lost. Whether my first wife left it for the storage people to dump, attempted to sell it, or dumped it herself years ago, I dunno.) -Later! ?-WB-??? -- BABIC Computer Consulting. ? From jimcox at miba51.com Mon Aug 25 00:34:57 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:34:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] More ISA boards for cost of shipping. In-Reply-To: <20080825031118.8AC7620A33@qs281.pair.com> References: <6c92f46c0808220914x5de15ca2g1b40fb68c7a0b114@mail.gmail.com> <20080824143235.A407B20A33@qs281.pair.com> <5631e580808240838m51ccbeeewb350b822379de7b3@mail.gmail.com> <20080825031118.8AC7620A33@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808242134i2d4e62d2h6500552d9e42c4f9@mail.gmail.com> I wish we could stay on topic here. George if you are interested please let me know in private. -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Roger Taylor wrote: > At 10:38 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote: >> >> You're kidding Roger, right? :-) >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Standard_Architecture > > > No, because there's two ISA acronyms, and on top of that I don't know all of > the 1,000+ computer acronyms. And after reading that it could be Industry > Standard Architecture I still didn't know what the card itself does. ISO > is a "standard" as well. :) > > Not being grumpy, but I just had a mexican guy back his Ford F150 on TOP of > the hood of my car. I was in park, 20 feet away, he saw my headlights, he > stopped for a second, hesitated, then GUNNED his truck to about 15mph, I sat > on the horn but yet he spun gravel anyway until he hit me. His bumper was > just high enough to catch the exact spot where the hood meets the headlight, > and his truck rode up the hood cutting a 1 inch gash about 2 feet long right > through the hood with the bolt that drops from the trailer hitch. By the > time his reflexes kicked in, his truck was ass-end in the air and one tire > was on my hood. I yelled at him for about 15 seconds before I realized it > wasn't worth it so I calmed down and we exchanged insurance info and all > that jazz. Luckily, it will just need a new hood and a grill. Just enough > of the top part of the grill surrounding the headlight was shattered. "No > speaka English" is all I heard until I started taking pictures of the damage > and his lic. plate and bumper with my digital cam then he magically started > to learn some English. > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 00:38:52 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:38:52 +1000 Subject: [Coco] CoBBS References: <897653.84299.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007101c9066c$880df320$0701a8c0@master> Bill said: >IF indeed I am not confused about it, CoBBS could run on a > single floppy, >but was better on a multiple drive system so as > to allow room for the >message bases and the limited file > transfer (ASCII only I believe) capabilities. That's the one... I used that for a time here in Australia, and added a routine to do XMODEM file transfers to the code. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Barnes" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] CoBBS I think I remember that one... came out in The Rainbow, Nov '85, I think. IF indeed I am not confused about it, CoBBS could run on a single floppy, but was better on a multiple drive system so as to allow room for the message bases and the limited file transfer (ASCII only I believe) capabilities. CoBBS itself was pure BASIC, and made no special attempts to print to anything else but the screen, unless you told it to print your log onto a printer. The Software that made it work was older, and initially made the bit-banger port I/O parallel to the keyboard/tv I/O. There was a modified version of this to use the RS-232 pack instead. Also I remember that there was some patches to let CoBBS work on a CoCo 3, unfortunately by then I was no longer running the BBS. (I even made some mods to CoBBS, but alas, they're as gone as my whole CoCo setup is lost. Whether my first wife left it for the storage people to dump, attempted to sell it, or dumped it herself years ago, I dunno.) -Later! -WB- -- BABIC Computer Consulting. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Mon Aug 25 01:12:33 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:12:33 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. In-Reply-To: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca> References: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6DA@fenestra.lamunet.local> Try cleaning the edge connector contacts with a pencil eraser. > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Pritchard > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:54 PM > To: coco at maltedmedia.com > Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. > > Hello out there, > > Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am > looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour. > > Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to Dennis > telling me some information about the mailing list server. > > > I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired years > ago. The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the > Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all the > way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I have > are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card. > > Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1. It > has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I could > install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one. > > I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to > boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk related. > Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look at to > determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and booting from > the FDC ROM? The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA MV-1 38 84, > and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip. The markings on the ROM are > TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A. > > It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or > chips, though I have not tested any of them. Also I have tried the > time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the > problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo. > > Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time in > their lives, help would sure be appreciated. > > Regards, > > Ryan Pritchard > Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tonym at compusource.net Mon Aug 25 01:25:10 2008 From: tonym at compusource.net (Tony Mori) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:25:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> Message-ID: <005001c90672$f227e8f0$9664a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Huffman" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Setting up a BBS > On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:32 AM, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: >> At least I still have a working drive, or I might have been stuck with >> ALLRAM ;) > > You know, it dawns on me we might be able to use this to our advantage, > and get some press for the CoCo Community. I expect just having a retro > 80's BBS online (on a CoCo, Commdore 64, etc.) might be notable on some > geek news site, but having something running off of a CASSETTE might get > more notice. > > Perhaps as we get closer to CoCoFest 2009, we can see about getting some > press this way. > > I have not had time to keep up with the CoCo List in awhile, but this is > a project I think could be fun (especially given the various other things > going on right now we'd like to tell the world about). > > And I'd really like to see StG Net resurface. That was one slick set of > commands. > -- If someone is going to do a hardware-based (ir, REAL coco) BBS needing TCP/Ip access, and for the purposes of getting press for CoCoFest, I can provide on extended loan 1 or 2 Digi One SP serial <-> TCP/IP Devices. To look at the capabilities, go here: http://www.digi.com/products/serialservers/digionesp.jsp This literally has a 9-pin serial port on one side, Rj45 ethernet jack on the other, and does RS-232 and RS-485. And I MIGHT have a WiSP WiFi (802.11b) version, as well, which is covered here: http://www.digi.com/products/serialservers/digiconnectwisp.jsp Which is similar, but goes serial to TCP/IP via WiFi, as opposed to Cat5 ethernet. By "extended loan," I mean I'd like to get it/them back at SOME point, but no real time limit. This can be discussed with whoever is interested. I might also have a few Lantronix units as well, bit ethernet and wifi, and I believe the Ethernet units have (2) serial port. I'd have to dig those up to get the model numbers for you to refer to online. Tony From wdg3rd at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 02:10:45 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:10:45 +0000 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS Message-ID: <082520080610.25148.48B24CE5000F24610000623C22073000330B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Allen Huffman > On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:32 AM, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > > At least I still have a working drive, or I might have been stuck > > with > > ALLRAM ;) > > You know, it dawns on me we might be able to use this to our > advantage, and get some press for the CoCo Community. I expect just > having a retro 80's BBS online (on a CoCo, Commdore 64, etc.) might be > notable on some geek news site, but having something running off of a > CASSETTE might get more notice. > > Perhaps as we get closer to CoCoFest 2009, we can see about getting > some press this way. > > I have not had time to keep up with the CoCo List in awhile, but this > is a project I think could be fun (especially given the various other > things going on right now we'd like to tell the world about). > > And I'd really like to see StG Net resurface. That was one slick set > of commands. When's the last time you heard anything accurately reported by US news media, other than past weather? (I'm past 50 and can not recall a single instance of truth on any technical subject from the Big Three or the Grey Lady) (La Esposa tells me not to discuss politics around here, but the accuracy is similar). To them. we're just a bunch of geeks and to us, they're just a bunch of assholes. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net These histrionics were probably unnecessary, since there was no reason to think anybody would be watching us with more than casual interest until I made my first move to follow Buchanon's trail, in London. Still, somebody might check back this far later, and I always feel that if you're going to play a part, you might as well play it all the way, at least in public -- and it's hard to tell what's public and what isn't, these electronic days. Donald Hamilton, _The Devastators_, 1965 From flexser at fiu.edu Mon Aug 25 02:47:23 2008 From: flexser at fiu.edu (Arthur Flexser) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. In-Reply-To: <5FCB1D53-A123-4143-9FCB-B131CF7263B5@pritchard.ca> Message-ID: Your problem is that Disk Basic requires Extended Basic and will not boot up without it. Perhaps someone here could burn you an EPROM of the Extended Basic chip, though the compatible 68766 EPROM is hard to come by nowadays. Or perhaps someone has a dead or surplus CoCo that the Ext. Basic chip could be scavenged from. Art On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Ryan Pritchard wrote: > Hello out there, > > Newby to CoCoList and to running a CoCo, but not OS-9 which I am > looking forward to running the NitrOS-9 flavour. > > Fourth attempt to post but this time it should work thanks to Dennis > telling me some information about the mailing list server. > > > I have recently got the bug to play with a CoCo I had acquired years > ago. The good news for me, is the 26-3001 model I have is the > Revision E mother board which has all the jumpers on it to go all the > way up to 32K (and likely 64K since I know the 64K x 1 chips I have > are all good as they are coming from an Apple 80 Column card. > > Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1. It > has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I could > install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one. > > I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to > boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk related. > Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look at to > determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and booting from > the FDC ROM? The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA MV-1 38 84, > and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip. The markings on the ROM are > TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A. > > It does not appear visually to have any burnt caps, resistors, or > chips, though I have not tested any of them. Also I have tried the > time tested eraser on the contacts to see if that would resolve the > problem, though I have not fully inspected the slot on the CoCo. > > Like many people before me, playing with a CoCo for the first time in > their lives, help would sure be appreciated. > > Regards, > > Ryan Pritchard > Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 09:14:24 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <005001c90672$f227e8f0$9664a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> <005001c90672$f227e8f0$9664a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808250614u28357567nafd0b83a97fc1c69@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Tony Mori wrote: > > > If someone is going to do a hardware-based (ir, REAL coco) BBS needing > TCP/Ip access, > and for the purposes of getting press for CoCoFest, I can provide on > extended loan 1 or 2 > Digi One SP serial <-> TCP/IP Devices. > Tony, I am doing this project via real hardware, and it's been a real blast so far... Thanks for the offer of an extended loan, but I don't think it's necessary. I had considered purchasing a Lantronix unit for com<->TCP connectivity, but discovered a free Windows package that does what I need - including Hayes modem emulation. The advantage of using this setup is that if I do need CoCo emulation (for example, to verify that stock CoBBS doesn't run on a CoCo3, but does a CoCo2), a Windows 98 box is right there with both of Keil's CoCo emulators on it. The project moves forward, just a little differently at this point. I can attempt to modify CoBBS for use with a CoCo3, or use another DECB BBS I stumbled across - one that says it was designed to run on a CoCo3 (Color Legends BBS - http://www.doki-doki.net/~lamune/computers/coco/oldindex.html). And ALLMEM is still a possibility. Learning OS9 to run RiBBS is also not out of the question. Which brings me to a crossroad - which route do I take? While getting a CoCo-based BBS online via telnet will be cool simply because it hasn't been done yet, would a cassette-based BBS up the geek factor even more? At any rate, I'm rambling again. Time to talk is over - it's time to do ;) I'll keep everyone posted with my progress (and I apologize if you're already tired of hearing my progress) Rod From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 09:19:35 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:19:35 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoBBS In-Reply-To: <897653.84299.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <897653.84299.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808250619n43dce10ch602d373f708470ef@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Bill Barnes wrote: > Also I remember that there was some patches to let CoBBS work on a CoCo 3, This nugget of knowledge might have come in handy before now ;) Anyone happen to have these patches lying around? Rod From cappy2112 at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 10:36:18 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808250736h1eacb2baw6c26428fb6368042@mail.gmail.com> >>Again, you are confusing real and emulated systems. On emulated systems >>there is no HDBDOS version only RGBDOS. I'm not confusing anything. Since this thread started off getting Nitros booted on Vcc, primarily with a hard disk image, why was HDBDOS even brought up? From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 25 10:51:09 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:51:09 -0400 Subject: [Coco] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808250736h1eacb2baw6c26428fb6368042@mail.gmail.com> References: <8249c4ac0808250736h1eacb2baw6c26428fb6368042@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B2C6DD.4070604@worldnet.att.net> Tony Cappellini wrote: >>> Again, you are confusing real and emulated systems. On emulated systems >>> there is no HDBDOS version only RGBDOS. > > I'm not confusing anything. Since this thread started off getting Nitros > booted on Vcc, primarily with a hard disk image, why was HDBDOS even brought > up? > Because you wanted sources for documentation and RGBDOS and HDBDOS behave more or less the same. From yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 11:04:00 2008 From: yahoogroups36 at hotmail.com (Richard Adams) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:04:00 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Coco Digest, Vol 62, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Message: 6> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:53:48 -0500> From: Ryan Pritchard > Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC.SNIP > > > Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1. It > has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I could > install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one.> > I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to > boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk related. > Is there any common issues with the FDC that I should look at to > determine why the CoCo is not detecting the cartridge and booting from > the FDC ROM? The PCB for the FDC has the markings LEIA MV-1 38 84, > and has the WD-1773-PH controller chip. The markings on the ROM are > TMS4764-30NL, B8428L, ZA64342, 804-5364A.> Having all my docs in storage for years now, I can't confirm, but I'm almost certain that I recall that Extended Basic was a prerequisite for Disk Basic to work. HTH, Richard _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 From dml_68 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 11:48:34 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] CoCo Disk Archives In-Reply-To: <006401c9066a$befad760$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <14818.85291.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If it becomes a problem I will make it available via Rapidshare if needed. It is an excellent archive and has an excellent index of what's on the CD image. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Bob Devries wrote: From: Bob Devries Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Disk Archives To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 9:26 PM Andrew said: > I found hosting for some stuff a few of you might be interested in. > > Both images are being hosted at "ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/" I hope the management of RTSI won't mind the enormous increase of bandwidth that this will suck. 520MB+ Yikes! -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] CoCo Disk Archives > All, > > I found hosting for some stuff a few of you might be interested in. > > Both images are being hosted at "ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/" > > The first image is my conversion effort toward my portion of an archive > that Carey wanted help with (a couple of years back), around 300 floppies > worth. Tim Lindner got the other portion to deal with (not sure how many, > I think it was around 100 - Carey?). I was able to get the majority > converted, a few others I had to send on to Tim for his expertise. > > This archive is located in the above directory, and is named > "coco_archive.iso". It is a CD ISO file (9660) meant to be burned to a CD > (unless you can do a loopback mount). It contains many fun and interesting > DSK images, I found a couple of them to be of note: > > * a copy of the FLEX operating system > * OS-9 source code (and binaries) for Adventure > > I think you will enjoy this collection. > > The second image is an archive I created after a joint effort between Tim > Lindner, Michael Crawford, and I dedicated toward getting Diecom Product's > "Gates of Delerium" running on an emulator. In the course of the > conversion of this software, we managed to obtain Dave Dies' blessing to > the release of all Diecom's CoCo software releases to the community. > > A few copies of this software was released to a couple of interested > parties, and thus these may be floating around already. I had also > submitted to L. Curtis Boyle for inclusion on his site, but I don't know > what happenned with it. > > Anyhow, this archive is in the same directory on RTSI's system, named > "gofd.zip"... > > Enjoy! > > -- Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale, Arizona > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From farna at att.net Mon Aug 25 12:19:37 2008 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:19:37 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. Message-ID: <48B2DB99.5070101@att.net> Will the disk system run without Extended Color BASIC? I seem to recall that maybe it won't, but I've never owned a non-extended CoCo. I could be wrong... ----------------------------- Ryan Pritchard wrote: > Currently the CoCo has 16K in it, and boots up to Color Basic 1.1. It > has an empty ROM socket where if I have understood correctly I could > install and Extended Basic ROM if I had one. > > I am having a problem getting the Disk Basic on the 26-3029 FDC to > boot, and thus cannot format or other wise do anything disk related. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Mon Aug 25 12:27:21 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. In-Reply-To: <48B2DB99.5070101@att.net> References: <48B2DB99.5070101@att.net> Message-ID: <1219681642.18691.0.camel@dev> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:19 -0400, Frank Swygert wrote: > Will the disk system run without Extended Color BASIC? I seem to recall that maybe it won't, but I've never owned a non-extended CoCo. I could be wrong... You're right, Disk BASIC requires the Extended BASIC ROM. C. From coconut at pritchard.ca Mon Aug 25 12:45:52 2008 From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:45:52 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. In-Reply-To: <1219681642.18691.0.camel@dev> References: <48B2DB99.5070101@att.net> <1219681642.18691.0.camel@dev> Message-ID: <11DF820D-2877-4863-AC95-733C527454BC@pritchard.ca> So it looks like I have had 3 or 4 responses explaining I need to acquire an Extended Color Basic ROM for my CoCo, in order for me to be able to use the FDC. Don't suppose any one has a spare one I could purchase? Else I suspect I should be looking into eBay or Cloud-9 for a CoCo 2 or 3, which in some ways may be my better bet anyway for running NitrOS-9. But there is still that part of me that wants to take this machine from 16K to 64K with Extended Color Basic. On 25-Aug-08, at 11:27 AM, Chuck Youse wrote: > On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:19 -0400, Frank Swygert wrote: >> Will the disk system run without Extended Color BASIC? I seem to >> recall that maybe it won't, but I've never owned a non-extended >> CoCo. I could be wrong... > > You're right, Disk BASIC requires the Extended BASIC ROM. > > C. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco Regards, Ryan Pritchard Fun extends All Basic Life Expectancies From mechacoco at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 12:58:07 2008 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:58:07 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. In-Reply-To: <11DF820D-2877-4863-AC95-733C527454BC@pritchard.ca> References: <48B2DB99.5070101@att.net> <1219681642.18691.0.camel@dev> <11DF820D-2877-4863-AC95-733C527454BC@pritchard.ca> Message-ID: <5d802cd0808250958h7d046219s508882fb106ed5@mail.gmail.com> Assuming the Disk Basic ROM in the controller is version 1.1 (which is a fairly safe assumption for a 26-3029 controller) you can boot an OS-9 or NitrOS-9 floppy by entering the following sequence of commands: POKE 265,126 POKE 266,216 POKE 267,161 EXEC 49392 EXEC 57090 Darren --------------------------------- On 8/25/08, Ryan Pritchard wrote: > So it looks like I have had 3 or 4 responses explaining I need to > acquire an Extended Color Basic ROM for my CoCo, in order for me to be > able to use the FDC. > > Don't suppose any one has a spare one I could purchase? Else I > suspect I should be looking into eBay or Cloud-9 for a CoCo 2 or 3, > which in some ways may be my better bet anyway for running NitrOS-9. > But there is still that part of me that wants to take this machine > from 16K to 64K with Extended Color Basic. > > On 25-Aug-08, at 11:27 AM, Chuck Youse wrote: > >> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:19 -0400, Frank Swygert wrote: >>> Will the disk system run without Extended Color BASIC? I seem to >>> recall that maybe it won't, but I've never owned a non-extended >>> CoCo. I could be wrong... >> >> You're right, Disk BASIC requires the Extended BASIC ROM. >> >> C. >> From mechacoco at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 14:22:08 2008 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:22:08 -0600 Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. In-Reply-To: <11DF820D-2877-4863-AC95-733C527454BC@pritchard.ca> References: <48B2DB99.5070101@att.net> <1219681642.18691.0.camel@dev> <11DF820D-2877-4863-AC95-733C527454BC@pritchard.ca> Message-ID: <5d802cd0808251122j10d30540xafc2b792bbdbe9a7@mail.gmail.com> I can burn Extended Basic onto a 24-pin EPROM. Contact me off-list if this is something you would be interested in. Darren --------------------- On 8/25/08, Ryan Pritchard wrote: > So it looks like I have had 3 or 4 responses explaining I need to > acquire an Extended Color Basic ROM for my CoCo, in order for me to be > able to use the FDC. > > Don't suppose any one has a spare one I could purchase? Else I > suspect I should be looking into eBay or Cloud-9 for a CoCo 2 or 3, > which in some ways may be my better bet anyway for running NitrOS-9. > But there is still that part of me that wants to take this machine > from 16K to 64K with Extended Color Basic. > From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 14:27:53 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoBBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808250619n43dce10ch602d373f708470ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <897653.84299.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808250619n43dce10ch602d373f708470ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808251127r1aef1f62qc0ca39caa88cef97@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Rod Barnhart wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Bill Barnes wrote: > >> Also I remember that there was some patches to let CoBBS work on a CoCo 3, > > This nugget of knowledge might have come in handy before now ;) Anyone > happen to have these patches lying around? > Nevermind... I found the November '88 Rainbow-On-Disk among some old floppies that I acquired some time ago. According to the description of this issue at http://www.the-e-mall.net/items/item94.htm, it looks like this is what I need. The actual article might be useful, but I'm guessing I should be able to figure it out from the files on the disk. Rod From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Mon Aug 25 14:41:26 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoBBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808251127r1aef1f62qc0ca39caa88cef97@mail.gmail.com> References: <897653.84299.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808250619n43dce10ch602d373f708470ef@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808251127r1aef1f62qc0ca39caa88cef97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1219689686.18691.4.camel@dev> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 14:27 -0400, Rod Barnhart wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Rod Barnhart wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Bill Barnes wrote: > > > >> Also I remember that there was some patches to let CoBBS work on a CoCo 3, > > > > This nugget of knowledge might have come in handy before now ;) Anyone > > happen to have these patches lying around? > > > > Nevermind... I found the November '88 Rainbow-On-Disk among some old > floppies that I acquired some time ago. According to the description > of this issue at http://www.the-e-mall.net/items/item94.htm, it looks > like this is what I need. The actual article might be useful, but I'm > guessing I should be able to figure it out from the files on the disk. > > Rod > > -- I will happily send you the issue for $5.00 plus $4.80 for priority mail postage. I have it in my hands, in near-mint condition. C. From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 15:03:49 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoBBS In-Reply-To: <1219689686.18691.4.camel@dev> References: <897653.84299.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808250619n43dce10ch602d373f708470ef@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808251127r1aef1f62qc0ca39caa88cef97@mail.gmail.com> <1219689686.18691.4.camel@dev> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808251203u1846063bwc0ef5b81de8fe3a2@mail.gmail.com> > I will happily send you the issue for $5.00 plus $4.80 for priority mail > postage. I have it in my hands, in near-mint condition. > Very tempting offer... I'd love to restart my Rainbow collection (a casualty of moving, two moves ago), and this issue seems like it might be the most appropriate to start with... Even if I get CoBBS running without the article, it might be worth having. I'll let ya know :) Rod From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Mon Aug 25 15:07:22 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Coco] CoBBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808251203u1846063bwc0ef5b81de8fe3a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <897653.84299.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808250619n43dce10ch602d373f708470ef@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808251127r1aef1f62qc0ca39caa88cef97@mail.gmail.com> <1219689686.18691.4.camel@dev> <6cd9b02e0808251203u1846063bwc0ef5b81de8fe3a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1219691242.18691.7.camel@dev> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:03 -0400, Rod Barnhart wrote: > > I will happily send you the issue for $5.00 plus $4.80 for priority mail > > postage. I have it in my hands, in near-mint condition. > > > > Very tempting offer... I'd love to restart my Rainbow collection (a > casualty of moving, two moves ago), and this issue seems like it might > be the most appropriate to start with... Even if I get CoBBS running > without the article, it might be worth having. I'll let ya know :) > > Rod I've got nearly the entire collection piled in a corner of my apartment, back to mid-1982. I can dig out the rest of the CoBBS (I think it was published over 4 months) issues if you'd like, combined shipping saves $. Heh, C. From RJRTTY at aol.com Mon Aug 25 18:51:53 2008 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:51:53 EDT Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2008 1:17:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rod.barnhart at gmail.com writes: >BTW, have I mentioned lately how awesome your CoCo-VGA adapter is? >It's really saving the ol' eyes... Always good to get feedback. Especially positive feedback :) Roy **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From t.fadden at cox.net Mon Aug 25 19:42:48 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:42:48 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B34378.3010902@cox.net> I can only imagine how it looks! as I am using the coco composite output to my video capture card on my computer! color is about useless, with an 80 col screen. using montype m is usable. Hopefully I am on the waiting list though. Thinking of getting two! seeing as I have two 3's. Need to check if the 2nd one is working though. :-) Tim Fadden RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/24/2008 1:17:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rod.barnhart at gmail.com writes: > > > >> BTW, have I mentioned lately how awesome your CoCo-VGA adapter is? >> It's really saving the ol' eyes... >> > > > > Always good to get feedback. Especially positive feedback :) > > > Roy > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 20:31:25 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <48B34378.3010902@cox.net> References: <48B34378.3010902@cox.net> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808251731m7b4089f6g4d87f76a70132e9a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > I can only imagine how it looks! as I am using the coco composite output to > my video capture card on my computer! color is about useless, with an 80 > col screen. using montype m is usable. Hopefully I am on the waiting list > though. Thinking of getting two! seeing as I have two 3's. Need to check > if the 2nd one is working though. > :-) Ultimaterm has some default settings that make it downright ugly, but I don't think that's Roy's adapter because everything else is absolutely beautiful. The adapter was worth every cent I paid, and I may eventually have Roy put me on the waiting list for a second one myself (but not at the moment, Roy... I'll let ya know, though...) Rod From johnguin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 23:36:45 2008 From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:36:45 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [Sorta OT] I found a bug with a OneNote addin because of the Coco Message-ID: Say all, After I scanned the "Jot" program for Derek, I used an image rotating routine a team mate of mine had written to convert the scans around. As a result, I found a bug with the addin (for Microsoft OneNote). This is a direct result of the Coco. Oh, and the original working name of OneNote was "Jot" - total coincidence, of course, but interesting nonetheless. If you are interested, you can see the details here: http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin/archive/2008/08/25/how-to-work-around-a-bug-w ith-the-image-rotator-and-search-indexing.aspx Thanks for the nudge, Derek! John From coconut at pritchard.ca Tue Aug 26 00:39:19 2008 From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:39:19 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Resurrecting a CoCo (26-3001) with a 26-3029 FDC. In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0808250958h7d046219s508882fb106ed5@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B2DB99.5070101@att.net> <1219681642.18691.0.camel@dev> <11DF820D-2877-4863-AC95-733C527454BC@pritchard.ca> <5d802cd0808250958h7d046219s508882fb106ed5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Darren, Thanks for the POKE and EXEC information. This information allowed me to pretty much confirm my FDC is working. It makes perfect sense that NitrOS-9 or OS-9 would be able to load with the POKES and the EXECs that you listed. I reviewed Disk Basic Unravelled, and see that you pretty much set the NMI vector and called a routine to have the FDC load track 0 I believe. Since NitrOS-9 is supposed to be an OS of it's own it makes sense that loading and running the code found on that track / sector would allow the system to boot. Now all I need is the instructions for the 64K mod for the REV-E CoCo 1 board and I can possibly get by with out the ECB ROM though I probably should look for a source on that too. Regards, Ryan Pritchard Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies On 25-Aug-08, at 11:58 AM, Darren A wrote: > Assuming the Disk Basic ROM in the controller is version 1.1 (which is > a fairly safe assumption for a 26-3029 controller) you can boot an > OS-9 or NitrOS-9 floppy by entering the following sequence of > commands: > > POKE 265,126 > POKE 266,216 > POKE 267,161 > EXEC 49392 > EXEC 57090 > > Darren > > --------------------------------- > > On 8/25/08, Ryan Pritchard wrote: >> So it looks like I have had 3 or 4 responses explaining I need to >> acquire an Extended Color Basic ROM for my CoCo, in order for me to >> be >> able to use the FDC. >> >> Don't suppose any one has a spare one I could purchase? Else I >> suspect I should be looking into eBay or Cloud-9 for a CoCo 2 or 3, >> which in some ways may be my better bet anyway for running NitrOS-9. >> But there is still that part of me that wants to take this machine >> from 16K to 64K with Extended Color Basic. >> >> On 25-Aug-08, at 11:27 AM, Chuck Youse wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:19 -0400, Frank Swygert wrote: >>>> Will the disk system run without Extended Color BASIC? I seem to >>>> recall that maybe it won't, but I've never owned a non-extended >>>> CoCo. I could be wrong... >>> >>> You're right, Disk BASIC requires the Extended BASIC ROM. >>> >>> C. >>> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From RJRTTY at aol.com Tue Aug 26 03:20:40 2008 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:20:40 EDT Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS Message-ID: In a message dated 8/25/2008 8:31:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rod.barnhart at gmail.com writes: >Ultimaterm has some default settings that make it downright ugly, but >I don't think that's Roy's adapter because everything else is >absolutely beautiful. The adapter was worth every cent I paid, and I >may eventually have Roy put me on the waiting list for a second one >myself (but not at the moment, Roy... I'll let ya know, though...) I mentioned in an earlier thread that the coco3 has red and blue channels that are slightly out of phase with the main pixel clock so you should avoid using those colors as either the foreground or backround in pure form. You can have blue or red mixed together or with green but you cannot have pure blue or pure red as one of the colors. This only effects about 5% of the possible color combinations in the high res text mode possible on the coco3. It doesn't effect the 32 or 40 col. text modes. And it doesn't effect graphics modes either. The reason this doesn't show up on the old 15 khz monitors is that thier lower bandwidth "soaks up" this distortion. If I were to include filters to correct this it would drive the cost of the converter up to the level of a commercial unit. Cant have that :) Roy **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From mdelyea at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 14:22:36 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:22:36 -0400 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com> OK, I finished typing in the program, debugging it, making a "readme.bas" program for instructions, and converting it to a .DSK file. Load JOT.DSK into your emulator and type [ RUN "README ] to read the instructions or type [ RUN "JOT ] to play the game (without the brackets of course). The game is unmodified (except I used a different word list that I already had to avoid typing in all the data statements), so play with the code to jazz it up! the game is really pretty good at guessing your word. Now who can I send the JOT.DSK file to so it can be made available for others in the community. From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 15:52:16 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:52:16 +1000 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK References: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master> You could upload it to ftp.maltedmedia.com into the /incoming directory, and drop a note to Dennis to tell him about it. If you don't have FTP upload facilities, email it to me, and I'll upload it. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:22 AM Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK > OK, I finished typing in the program, debugging it, making a > "readme.bas" program for instructions, and converting it to a .DSK > file. Load JOT.DSK into your emulator and type [ RUN "README ] to > read the instructions or type [ RUN "JOT ] to play the game (without > the brackets of course). The game is unmodified (except I used a > different word list that I already had to avoid typing in all the data > statements), so play with the code to jazz it up! the game is really > pretty good at guessing your word. Now who can I send the JOT.DSK > file to so it can be made available for others in the community. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mdelyea at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 17:32:38 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:32:38 -0400 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK In-Reply-To: <001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master> References: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com> <001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808261432l39b7b0ffq3be14a927c1cdd9b@mail.gmail.com> Ok, I'll email it to you. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Bob Devries wrote: > You could upload it to ftp.maltedmedia.com into the /incoming directory, and > drop a note to Dennis to tell him about it. > > If you don't have FTP upload facilities, email it to me, and I'll upload it. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:22 AM > Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK > > >> OK, I finished typing in the program, debugging it, making a >> "readme.bas" program for instructions, and converting it to a .DSK >> file. Load JOT.DSK into your emulator and type [ RUN "README ] to >> read the instructions or type [ RUN "JOT ] to play the game (without >> the brackets of course). The game is unmodified (except I used a >> different word list that I already had to avoid typing in all the data >> statements), so play with the code to jazz it up! the game is really >> pretty good at guessing your word. Now who can I send the JOT.DSK >> file to so it can be made available for others in the community. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 17:47:00 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:47:00 +1000 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK References: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com><001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master> <1b52e6c80808261432l39b7b0ffq3be14a927c1cdd9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003401c907c5$46e6c390$0701a8c0@master> ok, I've uploaded it to the /incoming directory, and emailed Dennis about it. He will move it to its final resting place shortly. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > Ok, I'll email it to you. > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Bob Devries > wrote: >> You could upload it to ftp.maltedmedia.com into the /incoming directory, >> and >> drop a note to Dennis to tell him about it. >> >> If you don't have FTP upload facilities, email it to me, and I'll upload >> it. >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >> >> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >> the capacity to be his spokesman, >> so that I know how to help the weary. >> >> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:22 AM >> Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK >> >> >>> OK, I finished typing in the program, debugging it, making a >>> "readme.bas" program for instructions, and converting it to a .DSK >>> file. Load JOT.DSK into your emulator and type [ RUN "README ] to >>> read the instructions or type [ RUN "JOT ] to play the game (without >>> the brackets of course). The game is unmodified (except I used a >>> different word list that I already had to avoid typing in all the data >>> statements), so play with the code to jazz it up! the game is really >>> pretty good at guessing your word. Now who can I send the JOT.DSK >>> file to so it can be made available for others in the community. >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tjseagrove at writeme.com Tue Aug 26 19:13:18 2008 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:13:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK In-Reply-To: <003401c907c5$46e6c390$0701a8c0@master> References: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com><001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master> <1b52e6c80808261432l39b7b0ffq3be14a927c1cdd9b@mail.gmail.com> <003401c907c5$46e6c390$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <007a01c907d1$53ecffd0$fbc6ff70$@com> Hmm, it wouldn't let me download it... "An error occurred while copying file" -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bob Devries Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:47 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK ok, I've uploaded it to the /incoming directory, and emailed Dennis about it. He will move it to its final resting place shortly. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > Ok, I'll email it to you. > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Bob Devries > wrote: >> You could upload it to ftp.maltedmedia.com into the /incoming directory, >> and >> drop a note to Dennis to tell him about it. >> >> If you don't have FTP upload facilities, email it to me, and I'll upload >> it. >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >> >> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >> the capacity to be his spokesman, >> so that I know how to help the weary. >> >> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" >> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:22 AM >> Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK >> >> >>> OK, I finished typing in the program, debugging it, making a >>> "readme.bas" program for instructions, and converting it to a .DSK >>> file. Load JOT.DSK into your emulator and type [ RUN "README ] to >>> read the instructions or type [ RUN "JOT ] to play the game (without >>> the brackets of course). The game is unmodified (except I used a >>> different word list that I already had to avoid typing in all the data >>> statements), so play with the code to jazz it up! the game is really >>> pretty good at guessing your word. Now who can I send the JOT.DSK >>> file to so it can be made available for others in the community. >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 7:29 AM From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 19:17:51 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:17:51 +1000 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK References: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com><001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master> <1b52e6c80808261432l39b7b0ffq3be14a927c1cdd9b@mail.gmail.com><003401c907c5$46e6c390$0701a8c0@master> <007a01c907d1$53ecffd0$fbc6ff70$@com> Message-ID: <004b01c907d1$f8577410$0701a8c0@master> You can't download from the /incoming directory. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Seagrove" To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > Hmm, it wouldn't let me download it... "An error occurred while copying > file" > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On > Behalf Of Bob Devries > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:47 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > > ok, I've uploaded it to the /incoming directory, and emailed Dennis about > it. He will move it to its final resting place shortly. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike delyea" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > > >> Ok, I'll email it to you. >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Bob Devries >> wrote: >>> You could upload it to ftp.maltedmedia.com into the /incoming directory, >>> and >>> drop a note to Dennis to tell him about it. >>> >>> If you don't have FTP upload facilities, email it to me, and I'll upload >>> it. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >>> >>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >>> the capacity to be his spokesman, >>> so that I know how to help the weary. >>> >>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" >>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:22 AM >>> Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK >>> >>> >>>> OK, I finished typing in the program, debugging it, making a >>>> "readme.bas" program for instructions, and converting it to a .DSK >>>> file. Load JOT.DSK into your emulator and type [ RUN "README ] to >>>> read the instructions or type [ RUN "JOT ] to play the game (without >>>> the brackets of course). The game is unmodified (except I used a >>>> different word list that I already had to avoid typing in all the data >>>> statements), so play with the code to jazz it up! the game is really >>>> pretty good at guessing your word. Now who can I send the JOT.DSK >>>> file to so it can be made available for others in the community. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 > 7:29 AM > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mechacoco at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 19:19:18 2008 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:19:18 -0600 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK In-Reply-To: <007a01c907d1$53ecffd0$fbc6ff70$@com> References: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com> <001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master> <1b52e6c80808261432l39b7b0ffq3be14a927c1cdd9b@mail.gmail.com> <003401c907c5$46e6c390$0701a8c0@master> <007a01c907d1$53ecffd0$fbc6ff70$@com> Message-ID: <5d802cd0808261619u51725d8er4741a6415240097a@mail.gmail.com> Looks like we have to wait for Dennis to move it. I got the following message when I tried to download it: Permission Denied. The incoming directory is for uploading only. Darren ----------------------- On 8/26/08, Tom Seagrove wrote: > Hmm, it wouldn't let me download it... "An error occurred while copying > file" > From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 19:19:41 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:19:41 +1000 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK References: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com><001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master> <1b52e6c80808261432l39b7b0ffq3be14a927c1cdd9b@mail.gmail.com><003401c907c5$46e6c390$0701a8c0@master> <007a01c907d1$53ecffd0$fbc6ff70$@com> Message-ID: <005b01c907d2$39a2ffc0$0701a8c0@master> >From the FTP server at maltedmedia.com: 230-********************************************************* 230- Please use the /incoming/ folder to send files. Notify 230- postmaster at maltedmedia.com that files were transmitted. 230- For your protection and to prevent our use as an illegal 230- information exchange, no files in the /incoming/ folder 230- can be downloaded, edited, or renamed. Files in the user 230- folders are downloadable but will be password-protected. 230-********************************************************* -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Seagrove" To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > Hmm, it wouldn't let me download it... "An error occurred while copying > file" > > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] > On > Behalf Of Bob Devries > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:47 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > > ok, I've uploaded it to the /incoming directory, and emailed Dennis about > it. He will move it to its final resting place shortly. > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me > the capacity to be his spokesman, > so that I know how to help the weary. > > website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl > my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike delyea" > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > > >> Ok, I'll email it to you. >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Bob Devries >> wrote: >>> You could upload it to ftp.maltedmedia.com into the /incoming directory, >>> and >>> drop a note to Dennis to tell him about it. >>> >>> If you don't have FTP upload facilities, email it to me, and I'll upload >>> it. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia >>> >>> Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me >>> the capacity to be his spokesman, >>> so that I know how to help the weary. >>> >>> website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl >>> my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike delyea" >>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:22 AM >>> Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK >>> >>> >>>> OK, I finished typing in the program, debugging it, making a >>>> "readme.bas" program for instructions, and converting it to a .DSK >>>> file. Load JOT.DSK into your emulator and type [ RUN "README ] to >>>> read the instructions or type [ RUN "JOT ] to play the game (without >>>> the brackets of course). The game is unmodified (except I used a >>>> different word list that I already had to avoid typing in all the data >>>> statements), so play with the code to jazz it up! the game is really >>>> pretty good at guessing your word. Now who can I send the JOT.DSK >>>> file to so it can be made available for others in the community. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coco mailing list >>>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coco mailing list >>> Coco at maltedmedia.com >>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >>> >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 > 7:29 AM > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 21:08:21 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:08:21 +1000 Subject: [Coco] JOT.DSK References: <1b52e6c80808261122o38b749aeq57a77e87824a97b1@mail.gmail.com><001501c907b5$401e1c80$0701a8c0@master><1b52e6c80808261432l39b7b0ffq3be14a927c1cdd9b@mail.gmail.com><003401c907c5$46e6c390$0701a8c0@master><007a01c907d1$53ecffd0$fbc6ff70$@com> <5d802cd0808261619u51725d8er4741a6415240097a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007d01c907e1$67cb42e0$0701a8c0@master> The file JOT.DSK has been moved to here: ftp://maltedmedia.com/coco/BASIC/Games/ -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren A" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] JOT.DSK > Looks like we have to wait for Dennis to move it. I got the following > message when I tried to download it: > > Permission Denied. The incoming directory is for uploading only. > > Darren > > ----------------------- > > On 8/26/08, Tom Seagrove wrote: >> Hmm, it wouldn't let me download it... "An error occurred while copying >> file" >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From cdiman7 at flash.net Tue Aug 26 22:16:47 2008 From: cdiman7 at flash.net (KARL SEFCIK) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [Sorta OT] I found a bug with a OneNote addin because of the Coco Message-ID: <371695.84101.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, ? Send a note to Bill Gates, Microsoft's superior programming debugged? by a Coco. Wonder what it will find if it debuggs Windows Vista? --- On Mon, 8/25/08, John wrote: From: John Subject: [Coco] [Sorta OT] I found a bug with a OneNote addin because of the Coco To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:36 PM Say all, After I scanned the "Jot" program for Derek, I used an image rotating routine a team mate of mine had written to convert the scans around. As a result, I found a bug with the addin (for Microsoft OneNote). This is a direct result of the Coco. Oh, and the original working name of OneNote was "Jot" - total coincidence, of course, but interesting nonetheless. If you are interested, you can see the details here: http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin/archive/2008/08/25/how-to-work-around-a-bug-w ith-the-image-rotator-and-search-indexing.aspx Thanks for the nudge, Derek! John -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lost at l-w.ca Wed Aug 27 00:25:56 2008 From: lost at l-w.ca (William Astle) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:25:56 -0600 Subject: [Coco] 6309 instruction timing question Message-ID: <48B4D754.5030109@l-w.ca> This is a question for the 6309 guru types out there. In native mode, many instructions execute 1 cycle faster than in non-native mode due to the "pre-fetch" cache. From the documentation I have, it's not clear whether that 1 cycle speed increase applies to the first instruction after a branch is taken. Has anyone tested this situation? Say, for example, you have: TSTA BNE NE ... NE CLRA In native mode, CLRA should execute in 1 cycle. However, if one arrives at it via the BNE instruction, would it still execute in 1 cycle or would it take 2 because the "pre-fetch" would be invalidated by the branch? -- William Astle finger lost at l-w.ca for further information Geek Code V3.12: GCS/M/S d- s+:+ !a C++ UL++++$ P++ L+++ !E W++ !N w--- !D !M PS PE V-- Y+ PGP t+@ 5++ X !R tv+@ b+++@ !DI D? G e++ h+ y? From mechacoco at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 01:23:32 2008 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:23:32 -0600 Subject: [Coco] 6309 instruction timing question In-Reply-To: <48B4D754.5030109@l-w.ca> References: <48B4D754.5030109@l-w.ca> Message-ID: <5d802cd0808262223s1d32de79ja995da09f0229cf2@mail.gmail.com> On 8/26/08, William Astle wrote: > This is a question for the 6309 guru types out there. > > In native mode, many instructions execute 1 cycle faster than in > non-native mode due to the "pre-fetch" cache. From the documentation I > have, it's not clear whether that 1 cycle speed increase applies to the > first instruction after a branch is taken. Has anyone tested this situation? > > Say, for example, you have: > > TSTA > BNE NE > ... > NE CLRA > > In native mode, CLRA should execute in 1 cycle. However, if one arrives > at it via the BNE instruction, would it still execute in 1 cycle or > would it take 2 because the "pre-fetch" would be invalidated by the branch? > ------------- It appears that the CLRA instruction will execute in 1 cycle regardless of whether it is executed sequentially or upon a branch taken. I used a cycle counter program to test the two instruction sequences below. They both used a total of 6 cycles: Test 1 LDA #0 BEQ BP NOP NOP NOP BP CLRA Test 2 BP LDA #1 BEQ BP CLRA I'm not sure how this fits with the "pre-fetch" explanation for the faster operation. Darren From lost at l-w.ca Wed Aug 27 02:19:39 2008 From: lost at l-w.ca (William Astle) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:19:39 -0600 Subject: [Coco] 6309 instruction timing question In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0808262223s1d32de79ja995da09f0229cf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B4D754.5030109@l-w.ca> <5d802cd0808262223s1d32de79ja995da09f0229cf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B4F1FB.6030004@l-w.ca> Darren A wrote: > On 8/26/08, William Astle wrote: >> This is a question for the 6309 guru types out there. >> >> In native mode, many instructions execute 1 cycle faster than in >> non-native mode due to the "pre-fetch" cache. From the documentation I >> have, it's not clear whether that 1 cycle speed increase applies to the >> first instruction after a branch is taken. Has anyone tested this situation? >> >> Say, for example, you have: >> >> TSTA >> BNE NE >> ... >> NE CLRA >> >> In native mode, CLRA should execute in 1 cycle. However, if one arrives >> at it via the BNE instruction, would it still execute in 1 cycle or >> would it take 2 because the "pre-fetch" would be invalidated by the branch? >> > ------------- > > It appears that the CLRA instruction will execute in 1 cycle > regardless of whether it is executed sequentially or upon a branch > taken. I used a cycle counter program to test the two instruction > sequences below. They both used a total of 6 cycles: > > Test 1 > LDA #0 > BEQ BP > NOP > NOP > NOP > BP CLRA > > > Test 2 > BP LDA #1 > BEQ BP > CLRA > > > I'm not sure how this fits with the "pre-fetch" explanation for the > faster operation. Upon reflection, that might be the reason the "branch" instructions do not execute 1 cycle faster in native mode. The cycle saved by the prefetch of the opcode is used to load the prefetch cache based on the result of the jump. Sort of a primitive pipeline stall. The CPU resolves the branch, loads the program counter, does the prefetch, then continues as normal. -- William Astle finger lost at l-w.ca for further information Geek Code V3.12: GCS/M/S d- s+:+ !a C++ UL++++$ P++ L+++ !E W++ !N w--- !D !M PS PE V-- Y+ PGP t+@ 5++ X !R tv+@ b+++@ !DI D? G e++ h+ y? From mechacoco at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 02:35:00 2008 From: mechacoco at gmail.com (Darren A) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:35:00 -0600 Subject: [Coco] 6309 instruction timing question In-Reply-To: <48B4F1FB.6030004@l-w.ca> References: <48B4D754.5030109@l-w.ca> <5d802cd0808262223s1d32de79ja995da09f0229cf2@mail.gmail.com> <48B4F1FB.6030004@l-w.ca> Message-ID: <5d802cd0808262335q3dc40ebdy5c8fba74f6889ca7@mail.gmail.com> On 8/27/08, William Astle wrote: > > Upon reflection, that might be the reason the "branch" instructions do > not execute 1 cycle faster in native mode. The cycle saved by the > prefetch of the opcode is used to load the prefetch cache based on the > result of the jump. Sort of a primitive pipeline stall. The CPU resolves > the branch, loads the program counter, does the prefetch, then continues > as normal. > ------- Good point. It's interesting that the BRA instruction always uses the same number of cycles, but LBRA uses one fewer in native mode. By the way, if you are relying on the Chet Simpson document for your timing reference, you should know that some of the information is incorrect (mainly the indexing modes involving W). Darren From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 08:47:40 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:47:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: <4614169F-FB09-4C74-B3A2-8DBE61E525C6@pobox.com> <6cd9b02e0808241048h1e515983kc0910a12da46dbe4@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808241209l34092187m52af529ff036cc8c@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808241311y6cc02590o254758bea042ff3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808270547t6acfa4e2nfb8669b14c101cf2@mail.gmail.com> > Yes, it just used Extended Color BASIC. But, you still need to find a > terminal driver for it. I think back in the day we used REMOTERM or > something, but the much better one was the one written by the Ultimaterm guy > -- I forget the name of it, but as long as it didn't take up too much memory > from BASIC, it would be fairly easy to get going. I'm still working on CoBBS, but since I ran across REMOTE2.BIN, I thought I'd play with ALLRAM as a diversion and patched it to use the floppy drive (which I would undo once working). While I did manage to telnet in, REMOTE2.BIN appears to be way too unstable to work via telnet. In under two minutes, my telnet session quit responding and I had to reset the CoCo. Tested multiple times with the same results. With a more stable driver, ALLRAM via telnet may actually be possible. If anyone has another terminal driver for the bitbanger port, I'd be happy to give ALLRAM another go :) Rod From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 08:54:39 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:54:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808270554w1bd38a9qe8cf8612dfcb6825@mail.gmail.com> > >>Ultimaterm has some default settings that make it downright ugly, but >>I don't think that's Roy's adapter because everything else is >>absolutely beautiful. The adapter was worth every cent I paid, and I >>may eventually have Roy put me on the waiting list for a second one >>myself (but not at the moment, Roy... I'll let ya know, though...) > > I mentioned in an earlier thread that the coco3 has > red and blue channels that are slightly out of phase with > the main pixel clock so you should avoid using those > colors as either the foreground or backround in pure form. > Maybe I should have phrased that differently. Ultimaterm would be ugly regardless of monitor or adapter used, and switching it to monochrome seems the easiest solution ;) I absolutely love the adapter :) Rod From Torsten at Dittel.info Wed Aug 27 14:53:53 2008 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:53:53 +0200 Subject: [Coco] 6309 instruction timing question In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0808262335q3dc40ebdy5c8fba74f6889ca7@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B4D754.5030109@l-w.ca> <5d802cd0808262223s1d32de79ja995da09f0229cf2@mail.gmail.com> <48B4F1FB.6030004@l-w.ca> <5d802cd0808262335q3dc40ebdy5c8fba74f6889ca7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe page 6 gives a hint: http://dittel.org/CoCo/Oh!FM/oh_fm.htm From lost at l-w.ca Wed Aug 27 17:46:56 2008 From: lost at l-w.ca (William Astle) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:46:56 -0600 Subject: [Coco] 6309 instruction timing question In-Reply-To: <5d802cd0808262335q3dc40ebdy5c8fba74f6889ca7@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B4D754.5030109@l-w.ca> <5d802cd0808262223s1d32de79ja995da09f0229cf2@mail.gmail.com> <48B4F1FB.6030004@l-w.ca> <5d802cd0808262335q3dc40ebdy5c8fba74f6889ca7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B5CB50.3020408@l-w.ca> Darren A wrote: > Good point. It's interesting that the BRA instruction always uses the > same number of cycles, but LBRA uses one fewer in native mode. Probably because the 6309 can do 16 bit additions in 1 cycle while the 6809 required 2 cycles. That seems to me to be the reason why long branches take 1 more cycle to execute when the branch is taken on the 6809. > By the way, if you are relying on the Chet Simpson document for your > timing reference, you should know that some of the information is > incorrect (mainly the indexing modes involving W). I don't have anything that I can make heads or tails of other than one or more versions of that document. No amount of Google-Fu has revealed anything else to me. If you can point me to something accurate, I would be grateful. > > Darren > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 02:26:51 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:26:51 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex Message-ID: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, I came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" I believe that this will only run on a Coco 1 or 2. Does anyone know of any patches to enable Flex to run on a Coco3? -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 28 07:58:47 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:58:47 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex In-Reply-To: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> Message-ID: <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> Bob Devries wrote: > Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, I > came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" > > I believe that this will only run on a Coco 1 or 2. Does anyone know of > any patches to enable Flex to run on a Coco3? > > -- > Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Where the heck is it! The only flex I can find on the site is in the UniFlex directory and that does not seem to be what you want. From benbleau at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 08:25:14 2008 From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:25:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex In-Reply-To: <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> Robert Gault wrote: > Bob Devries wrote: >> Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, >> I came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" >> > Where the heck is it! The only flex I can find on the site is in the > UniFlex directory and that does not seem to be what you want. > > -- Robert, it's in the decb directory, 188AU_02.DSK -Benoit From carlin at nauticom.net Thu Aug 28 12:48:02 2008 From: carlin at nauticom.net (Ken Carlin) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:48:02 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: Anybody know what this is about: http://www.acquirecontent.com/topics/rainbow I was doing a general Google search on Falsoft when I ran across that website. To me, it appears that this entity has licensed some or all of the Falsoft magazine titles and placed the text online. But I am probably misunderstanding this. From tlindner at macmess.org Thu Aug 28 13:05:51 2008 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:05:51 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1imdnvv.12wu99e1gos2vpM%tlindner@macmess.org> Ken Carlin wrote: > Anybody know what this is about: > http://www.acquirecontent.com/topics/rainbow > > I was doing a general Google search on Falsoft when I ran across that > website. To me, it appears that this entity has licensed some or all of > the Falsoft magazine titles and placed the text online. But I am probably > misunderstanding this. It seems like a wholesaler to me. For a fee, they let you license the content. What's strange to me is that Jan '83 to Dec '88 is not the full run. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org Bright From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Aug 28 13:14:58 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (t.fadden at cox.net) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:14:58 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080828131458.FMWD9.5553.imail@fed1rmwml31> The site looks like some kind of scam to me. Any place that makes you sign up and give them all your information BEFORE giving you the cost is a shady outfit at best. It wouldn't suprise me if it wasn't some kind of phishing scam. The contents of this message is my opinion, and not based on actueal fact. :-) ---- Ken Carlin wrote: Anybody know what this is about: http://www.acquirecontent.com/topics/rainbow I was doing a general Google search on Falsoft when I ran across that website. To me, it appears that this entity has licensed some or all of the Falsoft magazine titles and placed the text online. But I am probably misunderstanding this. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:22:10 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:22:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: <20080828131458.FMWD9.5553.imail@fed1rmwml31> References: <20080828131458.FMWD9.5553.imail@fed1rmwml31> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808281022p486bde34j1def3fd22be94c31@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:14 PM, wrote: > The site looks like some kind of scam to me. Any place that makes you sign up and give them all your information BEFORE giving you the cost is a shady outfit at best. It wouldn't suprise me if it wasn't some kind of phishing scam. > > The contents of this message is my opinion, and not based on actueal fact. :-) I signed up with a disposable address, just to see... Guess I'll find out soon enough ;) -- Rod Barnhart From johnchasteen.2 at juno.com Thu Aug 28 14:03:49 2008 From: johnchasteen.2 at juno.com (John T Chasteen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:03:49 -0500 Subject: [Coco] TRS-80 MC-10 Message-ID: <20080828.130349.3836.0.Johnchasteen.2@juno.com> Hi Rob I opened the UPS Box that was delivered while we were on vacation the past 7 days. I will connect it in a couple days. The original box arrived in great shape with the books, 16 K extra memory , TV Switch, cassette cable and a cable with two 4 pin din connectors. Thanks again John ____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWrvX8YETTkkX1ApKSKTtzRD4QhnWDNuxYGic1kMuRJ7ah/ From neilsmorr at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 14:23:21 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:23:21 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master><48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: The listed phone number us 1-800-555-1212 That's directory service! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Carlin" > Anybody know what this is about: > http://www.acquirecontent.com/topics/rainbow > > I was doing a general Google search on Falsoft when I ran across that > website. To me, it appears that this entity has licensed some or all of > the Falsoft magazine titles and placed the text online. But I am probably > misunderstanding this. From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 14:55:14 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:55:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808281155g6cdb0fd7t255965b5e305d24c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Neil Morrison wrote: > > The listed phone number us 1-800-555-1212 > > That's directory service! > Hmmm... WHOIS looks legitimate enough: Registrant: Gale 27500 Drake Rd Farmington Hills, MI 48331 US Domain Name: ACQUIRECONTENT.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Gale beverly.cuzick at cengage.com 27500 Drake Rd Farmington Hills, MI 48331 US (248) 699-8803 fax: (248) 699-8071 Record expires on 10-May-2010. Record created on 10-May-2007. Database last updated on 28-Aug-2008 14:45:00 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: DNS3.GALE.COM 140.244.174.202 DNS4.GALE.COM 140.244.174.203 NS3.OHCINMASON.COM 69.32.144.8 NS4.OHCINMASON.COM 69.32.144.21 NS5.OHCINMASON.COM 69.32.144.22 -- Rod From jlhickle at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 14:55:30 2008 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8167.94259.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Neil Morrison wrote: > The listed phone number us 1-800-555-1212 > > That's directory service! > > Neil > > "Once our mutual business terms are in place, we will work with you to produce a contact based on the agreed upon terms. " I'd say these people are in Nigeria, the Land of Deceased Royalty. If anybody else intends to sign up for the 30-day trial which gives you NOTHING, the username 'titanuranus' has already been taken. From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 14:56:55 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:56:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808281156p1e55465fj91143ac37adca6b9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Neil Morrison wrote: > > The listed phone number us 1-800-555-1212 > > That's directory service! > Hmmm... WHOIS looks legitimate enough: Registrant: Gale 27500 Drake Rd Farmington Hills, MI 48331 US Domain Name: ACQUIRECONTENT.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Gale beverly.cuzick at cengage.com 27500 Drake Rd Farmington Hills, MI 48331 US (248) 699-8803 fax: (248) 699-8071 Record expires on 10-May-2010. Record created on 10-May-2007. Database last updated on 28-Aug-2008 14:45:00 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: DNS3.GALE.COM 140.244.174.202 DNS4.GALE.COM 140.244.174.203 NS3.OHCINMASON.COM 69.32.144.8 NS4.OHCINMASON.COM 69.32.144.21 NS5.OHCINMASON.COM 69.32.144.22 -- Rod From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:15:23 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: <8167.94259.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8167.94259.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808281215t166fa594x34e06c8ad7c0cda2@mail.gmail.com> >> The listed phone number us 1-800-555-1212 >> >> That's directory service! >> >> Neil >> >> > > "Once our mutual business terms are in place, we will work with you to produce a contact based on the agreed upon terms. " > > I'd say these people are in Nigeria, the Land of Deceased Royalty. > Opportunity for a scambait? Maybe have them send me pictures of a hand-carved replica of a CoCo3 before agreeing to any of their terms? Rod From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:23:51 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:23:51 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808270644g19ee3084j1543409dfbaefc3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808270644g19ee3084j1543409dfbaefc3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808281223r75f8f518s5e0aa9fbec9bd859@mail.gmail.com> I've set up quick-n-dirty website for the CoCo at http://www.nitemarecafe.com/coco/ which includes my progress so far, as well as the CoCo Serial # database that I created some time back. My RoadRunner connection can be a bit unstable at times, as can the old Linux box that the site runs on, so if it's not up, try again later... Which, ironically, sounds a lot like advise given about my BBS back in the day ;) Rod From benbleau at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:28:18 2008 From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:28:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808281215t166fa594x34e06c8ad7c0cda2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8167.94259.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808281215t166fa594x34e06c8ad7c0cda2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B6FC52.5090206@gmail.com> > Opportunity for a scambait? Maybe have them send me pictures of a > hand-carved replica of a CoCo3 before agreeing to any of their terms? > > > Rod > > > They could also be trying to see what interest is in each of the old magazines, and once there's enough, they might actually try to acquire the licenses. Like the internet domain squatters do. -Benoit From neilsmorr at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:30:43 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:30:43 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow content online? References: <8167.94259.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808281215t166fa594x34e06c8ad7c0cda2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92D2A12C595046CEA5F691BF205E87FA@NewBaby> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Barnhart" >> "Once our mutual business terms are in place, we will work with you to >> produce a contact based on the agreed upon terms. " >> >> I'd say these people are in Nigeria, the Land of Deceased Royalty. >> > > Opportunity for a scambait? Maybe have them send me pictures of a > hand-carved replica of a CoCo3 before agreeing to any of their terms? > Make sure it's real ivory, not plastic. Neil From t.fadden at cox.net Thu Aug 28 15:51:57 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:51:57 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <6cd9b02e0808281223r75f8f518s5e0aa9fbec9bd859@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808270644g19ee3084j1543409dfbaefc3d@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808281223r75f8f518s5e0aa9fbec9bd859@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B701DD.7030403@cox.net> Put one of my coco's in your serial number list. By the way, Is the serial number on the case only, or is it on the MB somewhere? My cases are long gone......... If the number I found is not the serial number, I may need you to wack the entry so I can re-enter the correct data. :-) Tim Rod Barnhart wrote: > I've set up quick-n-dirty website for the CoCo at > http://www.nitemarecafe.com/coco/ which includes my progress so far, > as well as the CoCo Serial # database that I created some time back. > My RoadRunner connection can be a bit unstable at times, as can the > old Linux box that the site runs on, so if it's not up, try again > later... Which, ironically, sounds a lot like advise given about my > BBS back in the day ;) > > Rod > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From rod.barnhart at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:55:52 2008 From: rod.barnhart at gmail.com (Rod Barnhart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:55:52 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Setting up a BBS In-Reply-To: <48B701DD.7030403@cox.net> References: <6cd9b02e0808220834i6a1ba39bxd5df4c46069d3259@mail.gmail.com> <210507.71301.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6cd9b02e0808270644g19ee3084j1543409dfbaefc3d@mail.gmail.com> <6cd9b02e0808281223r75f8f518s5e0aa9fbec9bd859@mail.gmail.com> <48B701DD.7030403@cox.net> Message-ID: <6cd9b02e0808281255w79ffd37eobbd42ee336d365b9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Tim Fadden wrote: > Put one of my coco's in your serial number list. By the way, Is the serial > number on the case only, or is it on the MB somewhere? My cases are long > gone......... If the number I found is not the serial number, I may need > you to wack the entry so I can re-enter the correct data. :-) I don't know if the serial can be found anywhere else or not. If someone chimes in that it can, just email me it to me off-list and I'll edit the entry :) Rod From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 16:43:53 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:43:53 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <002d01c9094e$cafbd2d0$0701a8c0@master> Robert, I was referring to the ISO file that's uploaded to RTSI. In that ISO (which I burned to disk) is a DSK file which has Color Flex 5.0.2. I refer you to the post by Andrew Ayers on 25 August. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Color Flex > Bob Devries wrote: >> Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, I >> came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" >> >> I believe that this will only run on a Coco 1 or 2. Does anyone know of >> any patches to enable Flex to run on a Coco3? >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Where the heck is it! The only flex I can find on the site is in the > UniFlex directory and that does not seem to be what you want. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 17:19:59 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:19:59 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master><48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007c01c90953$d5c28380$0701a8c0@master> hehe, Beniot, I somehow think we can't access the link you provided, since it's in _your_ My Documents folder :) -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benoit Bleau" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Color Flex > Robert Gault wrote: >> Bob Devries wrote: >>> Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, I >>> came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" >>> >> Where the heck is it! The only flex I can find on the site is in the >> UniFlex directory and that does not seem to be what you want. >> >> -- > > Robert, it's in the decb directory, 188AU_02.DSK > > > -Benoit > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From robert.gault at worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 28 17:22:15 2008 From: robert.gault at worldnet.att.net (Robert Gault) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:22:15 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex In-Reply-To: <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B71707.8050303@worldnet.att.net> Benoit Bleau wrote: > Robert Gault wrote: >> Bob Devries wrote: >>> Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, >>> I came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" >>> >> Where the heck is it! The only flex I can find on the site is in the >> UniFlex directory and that does not seem to be what you want. >> >> -- > > Robert, it's in the decb directory, 188AU_02.DSK > > > -Benoit That doesn't help me as it looks like a file on your hard drive. :) Bob D., do you mean ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/coco_archive.iso ? If that's the one I'll have to pass looking at it. On dial-up that would take some 17 hours to download :( From devries.bob at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 17:11:58 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:11:58 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <006901c90952$b6f57e40$0701a8c0@master> The two files uploaded to RTSI are here: ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/coco_archive.iso ftp://ftp.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/gofd.zip Warning, the first is 500MB! -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault" To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Coco] Color Flex > Bob Devries wrote: >> Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, I >> came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" >> >> I believe that this will only run on a Coco 1 or 2. Does anyone know of >> any patches to enable Flex to run on a Coco3? >> >> -- >> Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia > > Where the heck is it! The only flex I can find on the site is in the > UniFlex directory and that does not seem to be what you want. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From farna at att.net Thu Aug 28 17:57:19 2008 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:57:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex Message-ID: <48B71F3F.2070300@att.net> There are no patches to Color Flex that will allow it to be run on a CC3. It was gone way before the CC3 came out! It was sort of a competitor to OS-9 Level 1, and in some ways was better -- it made better use of a 32-64K environment. Frank Hogg got in a bit of hot water by saying Flex was better than OS-9! Then the CC3 and Level II came out. OS-9 was better than Flex given the extra memory to work with, and Flex fell to the wayside. There may have been later versions of Flex that exploited more memory, but none were developed for or ported to the CoCo3 that I know of. --------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:26:51 +1000 From: "Bob Devries" Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, I came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" I believe that this will only run on a Coco 1 or 2. Does anyone know of any patches to enable Flex to run on a Coco3? -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From tjseagrove at writeme.com Thu Aug 28 21:19:40 2008 From: tjseagrove at writeme.com (Tom Seagrove) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:19:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex In-Reply-To: <48B71707.8050303@worldnet.att.net> References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> <48B71707.8050303@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <014a01c90975$4f5edb50$ee1c91f0$@com> What is your address, I will burn and send to you.... Tom -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gault Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:22 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Color Flex Benoit Bleau wrote: > Robert Gault wrote: >> Bob Devries wrote: >>> Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, >>> I came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" >>> >> Where the heck is it! The only flex I can find on the site is in the >> UniFlex directory and that does not seem to be what you want. >> >> -- > > Robert, it's in the decb directory, 188AU_02.DSK > > > -Benoit That doesn't help me as it looks like a file on your hard drive. :) Bob D., do you mean ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/coco_archive.iso ? If that's the one I'll have to pass looking at it. On dial-up that would take some 17 hours to download :( -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM From benbleau at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 21:51:19 2008 From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:51:19 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex In-Reply-To: <48B71707.8050303@worldnet.att.net> References: <00da01c908d7$309bd680$0701a8c0@master> <48B692F7.3070003@worldnet.att.net> <48B6992A.9000004@gmail.com> <48B71707.8050303@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <48B75617.1020705@gmail.com> >> Robert, it's in the decb directory, 188AU_02.DSK >> >> >> -Benoit > > That doesn't help me as it looks like a file on your hard drive. :) > > Bob D., do you mean ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/coco_archive.iso ? > If that's the one I'll have to pass looking at it. On dial-up that > would take some 17 hours to download :( > > Right, I didn't notice it was a link, and Thunderbird didn't show it as such.... the file is 18AU_02.DSK in the coco_archive.iso from rtsi. If you want, I can email it to you. -Benoit From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Thu Aug 28 22:42:06 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:42:06 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex In-Reply-To: <48B71F3F.2070300@att.net> References: <48B71F3F.2070300@att.net> Message-ID: <1219977726.3551.2.camel@dev> On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:57 -0400, Frank Swygert wrote: > There are no patches to Color Flex that will allow it to be run on a CC3. It was gone way before the CC3 came out! It was sort of a competitor to OS-9 Level 1, and in some ways was better -- it made better use of a 32-64K environment. Frank Hogg got in a bit of hot water by saying Flex was better than OS-9! Then the CC3 and Level II came out. OS-9 was better than Flex given the extra memory to work with, and Flex fell to the wayside. There may have been later versions of Flex that exploited more memory, but none were developed for or ported to the CoCo3 that I know of. I vaguely recall Frank Hogg eating his words after Level II came out. Somewhere in Rainbow. C. From jcewy at swbell.net Fri Aug 29 10:25:33 2008 From: jcewy at swbell.net (Joel Ewy) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:25:33 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex In-Reply-To: <48B71F3F.2070300@att.net> References: <48B71F3F.2070300@att.net> Message-ID: <48B806DD.2050502@swbell.net> Frank Swygert wrote: > There are no patches to Color Flex that will allow it to be run on a > CC3. It was gone way before the CC3 came out! It was sort of a > competitor to OS-9 Level 1, and in some ways was better -- it made > better use of a 32-64K environment. Frank Hogg got in a bit of hot > water by saying Flex was better than OS-9! Then the CC3 and Level II > came out. OS-9 was better than Flex given the extra memory to work > with, and Flex fell to the wayside. And of course the TC-9 and most or all of the other computers FHL sold ran OS-9 rather than Flex. He just thought Level I was a bit too cramped on the CoCo 1/2. Still, I've always wanted to see what Flex was all about. I guess I'd better break out an older CoCo for that. JCE > There may have been later versions of Flex that exploited more memory, > but none were developed for or ported to the CoCo3 that I know of. > --------- > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:26:51 +1000 > From: "Bob Devries" > > Among the many disk images in the ISO file recently uploaded to RTSI, > I came across a disk image of "Color Flex V5.0.2" > > I believe that this will only run on a Coco 1 or 2. Does anyone know > of any patches to enable Flex to run on a Coco3? > From georgeramsower at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 10:59:58 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:59:58 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Amazing! Message-ID: <003f01c909e7$e7e06cf0$d4b1b1d8@house> A couple of days ago, I developed a need for a printer on my CNC coco. So I went out to my shop and found my old Oki ML 172 that I've had laying around for years, dusted it off, plugged it into power and turned it on into the self-printing mode and the darn thing still prints. Although the ink is pretty dried out, it's still legible. This morning I had to make a new boot disk for that coco because I didn't have the driver in the original boot. Xmode the /p and it was set to 9600. So I did a DIR >/p through the old serial to parallel port adapter and it worked. It took me two days to find the converter. I was sure something was not going work, but amazingly enough, no problems. Now I'll re-ink that old ribbon and get back to work. George From benbleau at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 11:26:05 2008 From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:26:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <003f01c909e7$e7e06cf0$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <003f01c909e7$e7e06cf0$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <48B8150D.10805@gmail.com> George Ramsower wrote: > A couple of days ago, I developed a need for a printer on my CNC coco. > So I went out to my shop and found my old Oki ML 172 that I've had > laying around for years, dusted it off, plugged it into power and > turned it on into the self-printing mode and the darn thing still > prints. Although the ink is pretty dried out, it's still legible. > This morning I had to make a new boot disk for that coco because I > didn't have the driver in the original boot. > Xmode the /p and it was set to 9600. So I did a DIR >/p through the > old serial to parallel port adapter and it worked. > > It took me two days to find the converter. > > I was sure something was not going work, but amazingly enough, no > problems. Now I'll re-ink that old ribbon and get back to work. > > George They don't make them like they used to :) -Benoit From johnguin at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 11:44:40 2008 From: johnguin at hotmail.com (John) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:44:40 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <48B8150D.10805@gmail.com> References: <003f01c909e7$e7e06cf0$d4b1b1d8@house> <48B8150D.10805@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello George, I'll ask the silly question - how exactly can someone nowadays re-ink an old ribbon like that? Thanks, John -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Benoit Bleau Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:26 AM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] [coco] Amazing! George Ramsower wrote: > A couple of days ago, I developed a need for a printer on my CNC coco. > So I went out to my shop and found my old Oki ML 172 that I've had > laying around for years, dusted it off, plugged it into power and > turned it on into the self-printing mode and the darn thing still > prints. Although the ink is pretty dried out, it's still legible. > This morning I had to make a new boot disk for that coco because I > didn't have the driver in the original boot. > Xmode the /p and it was set to 9600. So I did a DIR >/p through the > old serial to parallel port adapter and it worked. > > It took me two days to find the converter. > > I was sure something was not going work, but amazingly enough, no > problems. Now I'll re-ink that old ribbon and get back to work. > > George They don't make them like they used to :) -Benoit -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From neilsmorr at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 14:12:14 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:12:14 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! References: <003f01c909e7$e7e06cf0$d4b1b1d8@house> <48B8150D.10805@gmail.com> Message-ID: Use numbering machine ink - it contains a lubricant. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" > Hello George, > > I'll ask the silly question - how exactly can someone nowadays re-ink an > old > ribbon like that? > > Thanks, > John From briang0671 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 29 17:44:24 2008 From: briang0671 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Goers) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:44:24 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration Message-ID: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> I would like some information about starting a web page. I have a few questions. Like, what language to write it in if you are not real good at programing, how to keep it secure. I will be writing it under Windows XP for now, soon under Linux. Where to check for domain names, how much is reasonable to pay. Is there only one registry? Anything you want to tell me that I don't know about. Bye For now Brian -- Brian Goers Glenside Vice-President of Special Events IDE Boards are available. The 18th Annual ?LAST? Chicago CoCoFEST! Will be held March 28 & 29 2009 Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin. From dgacke at ektarion.com Fri Aug 29 17:54:49 2008 From: dgacke at ektarion.com (David Gacke) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:54:49 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration In-Reply-To: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <016201c90a21$dbf89630$93e9c290$@com> I use mydomain.com It has a pretty easy to use interface, and domain names are 8.75 a year, and they can host if you'd like. I host my own site, since I have a static IP and ample bandwidth. You may want to consider them hosting based upon your needs. What I like about it most is it's pretty simple to set up and maintain your sites. Dave Gacke -----Original Message----- From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Brian Goers Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:44 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration I would like some information about starting a web page. I have a few questions. Like, what language to write it in if you are not real good at programing, how to keep it secure. I will be writing it under Windows XP for now, soon under Linux. Where to check for domain names, how much is reasonable to pay. Is there only one registry? Anything you want to tell me that I don't know about. Bye For now Brian -- Brian Goers Glenside Vice-President of Special Events IDE Boards are available. The 18th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! Will be held March 28 & 29 2009 Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin. -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From tlindner at macmess.org Fri Aug 29 17:57:55 2008 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:57:55 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Looking for JavaScript expertise Message-ID: <5b0704c10808291457md25c79fy1cdc60660be4fb12@mail.gmail.com> I'l working on a CoCo related project and I am looking for someone who knows a thing or two about JavaScript on Internet Explorer. I have a little project: http://69.110.25.179/drawBoxes.html It uses JavaScript that lets you create various size green boxes on top of a picture. It works well in Safari and Firefox. I would like to to run well in Internet Explorer. I need the help of a JavaScript porter. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org From zootzoot at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 29 19:23:14 2008 From: zootzoot at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Castello) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:23:14 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration In-Reply-To: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:44:24 -0500, Brian Goers had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: >I would like some information about starting a web page. I use 1and1. www.1and1.com/?k_id=7917755 The number portion is my affiliate number, I get credit if you sign up using it. :-) They have a site builder as part of the web site package. They give you most of what you need to get started. >I have a few questions. Like, what language to write it in if you are >not real good at programing, how to keep it secure. I use their Linux Home service. I figure since that Linux doesn't do windows viruses, I really don't have to worry to much about them. Don't use simple passwords. :-) >I will be writing it under Windows XP for now, soon under Linux. >Where to check for domain names, how much is reasonable to pay. Is there >only one registry? 1and1 has a place you can check the domain name you want. >Anything you want to tell me that I don't know about. I've been using 1and1 since 11/2004, and haven't had any problems. -- Stephen ... Define Life: Mail. From skwirl42 at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 20:15:37 2008 From: skwirl42 at gmail.com (James Dessart) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:15:37 -0300 Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration In-Reply-To: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4c56cbd30808291715t481192c5we33b4d33d332e59f@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/08, Brian Goers wrote: > I have a few questions. Like, what language to write it in if you are not > real good at programing, how to keep it secure. It depends what you'd like to do with it. If it's just a static set of pages, you write them up in HTML, using some sort of editor. With the state of a lot of web page design software packages, you probably wont ever have to touch any HTML directly. If you're looking for something dynamic, that serves up some sort of database content, that's an entirely different kettle of fish. But for certain tasks there are software packages out there, in any number of languages, that might do the trick. Keeping the site secure is a big question. Stephen's advice is definitely great, though. A good password is the first defence against simple attacks on your site. I'm sure there are lots of sites out there that tell you how to come up with a good one. Mixtures of upper and lowercase, punctuation if you can, spaces, numbers. A phrase, easy to remember, but hard to guess, can work very well. Unfortunately, not all password systems accept all the necessary characters, and some don't take enough keypresses for it to be worth it. -- James Dessart From tlindner at macmess.org Fri Aug 29 20:25:41 2008 From: tlindner at macmess.org (tim lindner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:25:41 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration In-Reply-To: <4c56cbd30808291715t481192c5we33b4d33d332e59f@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> <4c56cbd30808291715t481192c5we33b4d33d332e59f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b0704c10808291725i19add956x2d69eb02fb1c3274@mail.gmail.com> > Keeping the site secure is a big question. Stephen's advice is > definitely great, If you end up using some content management software (Drupal, Wordpress, Etc.) always keep it up to date. Projects like those are always releasing security fixes. -- tim lindner tlindner at macmess.org From georgeramsower at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 22:00:03 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:00:03 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! References: <003f01c909e7$e7e06cf0$d4b1b1d8@house> <48B8150D.10805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201c90a44$1edf62e0$d4b1b1d8@house> This is for John and Neil; From: "Neil Morrison" > > Use numbering machine ink - it contains a lubricant. > > Neil > In the past, I've mixed a little WD40 in with stamp pad ink. I've not had premature head wear that I know of, but then I don't really print that much from a coco anyway. The WD40 also helps keep the stamp pad ink from drying out so fast. I've never heard of numbering machine ink and I wouldn't know where to find it unless I hunt it down on the net. I garonteeya there's none out here where I live, thirty miles from San Antonio. In the process of looking for an owner's manual on the 'net (couldn't find one) so I could get the graphical set up info, I discovered that new print heads are still available for this machine. It's a nine pin head. WOW! I never thought parts would be available, and not only that, but refurbished ML172 machines are available as well. > From: "John" >> Hello George, >> >> I'll ask the silly question - how exactly can someone nowadays re-ink an >> old >> ribbon like that? >> >> Thanks, >> John John, There's rarely a silly or stupid question. Only silly or stupid mistakes(voice of experience) Just open the cartridge up and drip new ink onto the roller or in this case, a fairly large rectangular pad that has a wick that goes from the pad and makes an ink path to the ribbon. ----- minutes pass --- Okay, I just attempted to bring this one back to life. The large pad is still plenty wet however, it has shrank in size and no longer contacts the wick. So I built a spring to press it against the wick and I see how that works. This one just might not be repairable if the pad won't transfer to the wick. I just hope the new cartridges are as good as this one once was. I'll pass some legal paper through it in the self test mode to see if it will pick up the old ink. First, I need to let the wick do it's trick before I do that. Right now, it's still just legible and perhaps in a couple of days, it will start darkening. Then I'll try using up paper to see if it will help. The stamp pad ink I have is not the stamp pad ink I was using in the past. I thought it was, but this one uses a roller ball to apply the ink. The one I thought I had use a sort of a pad in the top and I could squeeze the bottle and make it drip out. This one does not. So... I may end up hunting down the numbering machine ink as Neil suggested. George From georgeramsower at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 01:28:18 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco Message-ID: <004201c90a61$361ff7e0$d4b1b1d8@house> I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. What I'm loking for is the info on all the setup stuff to do the graphics, varous text fonts and sizes and all that stuff. Even Okidata doesn't offer this support today. I'm surprised that a maintenance manual is available in numerous places, most free. I have one now, but it's useless. (If it works, don't fix it!) Are there other Oki DMP printers that might perform with the same instructions as this ML 172? Would anyone have a manual for something that is compatible? Oh! I want to make this thing work on my coco so much, I can taste it. It's a sweet taste that brings back memories of lines, circles and more. It was so much more fun than making a picture in Paint Shop Pro and printing it to an ink jet printer. My first Ink Jet printer was an Olivetti Dry Ink Jet printer. I got that for my coco 2. It used a glass ampule that held a sort of powder that when a HIGH voltage was applied to the back side, would cause a spark to occur at the end closest to the paper. The platten was conductive and the spark would carry s spot of the "Dry Ink" and snap it onto the paper. It made a tiny little spot and worked pretty darn good for doing line drawings. There was no shading, or control of the darkness of that spot. It took dithering as in normat DMP printing to do that. It was so quiet, if you had a TV going, you might not even hear it printing.. The paper feed mechanism made more noise than the print head, however the platten moved is so small increments that it too, was almost silent. It was quite a light show to watch it print. The spark was visible and always astonished me how fast it zipped across the platten. It had to go fast because it had to make a LOT of those little spots make a legible line of text. Hence, the slow platten movement. I still have a box of those Dry Ink Jet ampules. Wouldn't trade them for the world. The printer is now parts... might be something from it that is in one of my steam engines or maybe in something else. I think it was around 1985 when I bought it. This was when Olivetti decided to quit consumer sales and go strictly directed to business and it was a close-out item. Okay, OKAY!!! I'm rambling.... I know.. But it's for a COCO for cryin' out loud! ========== Movin' on now to what I've learned using this printer.... I've been printing data to the screen from my CNC stuff so I can see where the mill is. I've learned that I can print this info to the printer faster than I can print it to the screen. It seems it takes longer to print to the coco's screen than it does to print to serial port at 9600 baud. This is a DOUBLE good thing... The reason I chose to use a printer is so I would have a hard copy of the data. This way, I could look it over and decide what to do next, without having to worry about losing the data printed to the screen. Paper is cheap. Then, as I was converting my program to print to the printer instead of the screen, I learned that the coco was actually working faster. I didn't expect that. I suppose I should try a real, timed experiment to see if this is true. It could be just in my mind because the printer is printing while the coco is working and I am not noticing the delays while the coco is transferring data to the printer. But.... by golly, it does seem faster.. George From georgeramsower at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 01:53:56 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:53:56 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Off topic ....Yahoo!'s RTML Sorry. I need help Message-ID: <005a01c90a64$cae4a800$d4b1b1d8@house> Since there is a thread on website stuff and non coco related... blah, blah.. Does anyone here know/understand Yahoo!'s RTML stuff? This is my last post on this and I apologize. I'm desperate. Okay... I'll say COCO FOREVER, because as long as I can keep mine going, I WILL ALWAYS have a real, live coco operating even if it can't do anything but display ... FN 0 ERROR I saw that one today on one of my cocos before I turned it off, slapped it real good to shake the sorry solder plated edge connectors into submission. Perhaps, when I get those IS0 cards, I might do as Gene Heskett did and do some transplants. Gold is Gold and solder is .... ugh. George From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 02:48:26 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:48:26 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration In-Reply-To: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <93f331ac0808292348t489f917fg211ba7cfc09f1049@mail.gmail.com> Why not use Google sites? It has a built in editor and it's free. http://sites.google.com/ You can practice there for now. You can also download OpenOffice for free and create webpages. To register a domain, try http://www.godaddy.com/ - they often have a deal, a .info registration there is just $2 for one year now. Neil On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Brian Goers wrote: > I would like some information about starting a web page. > I have a few questions. Like, what language to write it in if you are not > real good at programing, how to keep it secure. > I will be writing it under Windows XP for now, soon under Linux. > Where to check for domain names, how much is reasonable to pay. Is there > only one registry? > Anything you want to tell me that I don't know about. > > Bye For now > Brian > > -- > Brian Goers > Glenside Vice-President of Special Events > IDE Boards are available. > > The 18th Annual "LAST" Chicago CoCoFEST! > Will be held March 28 & 29 2009 > Holiday Inn & Suites Elgin. > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 02:51:49 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:51:49 -0700 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Off topic ....Yahoo!'s RTML Sorry. I need help In-Reply-To: <005a01c90a64$cae4a800$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <005a01c90a64$cae4a800$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <93f331ac0808292351v5e8afbav4007d2dafd390456@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:53 PM, George Ramsower wrote: > Does anyone here know/understand Yahoo!'s RTML stuff? I don't, but a google for those terms found many hits. Neil From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 06:36:12 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:36:12 +0000 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! Message-ID: <083020081036.8450.48B9229C000EEAFB0000210222073007930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Better yet, Computer Friends is still in business out in Oregon. I redid literally thousands of ribbons with their MacInker back in the 80s. http://www.cfriends.com/ Impact printer ribbons do wear out eventually. Sooner or later random chance will cause enough attention to have been paid to one spot to rip a hole there. In my experience, on average after about a dozen and a half of its intended lifespans. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Neil Morrison" > > Use numbering machine ink - it contains a lubricant. > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John" > > > Hello George, > > > > I'll ask the silly question - how exactly can someone nowadays re-ink an > > old > > ribbon like that? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 07:19:13 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:19:13 +0000 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco Message-ID: <083020081119.5718.48B92CB1000C05ED0000165622070009530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "George Ramsower" > I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. Looked around, but can't find that one. got a Microline 390 here but it was 24-pin and as I recall the 172 was 8-pin. I think my ex mother-in-law had one but she probably tossed the docs before she was put in the Alzheimers home. Next time I talk to the Ex I'll ask. (We talk on alternate birthdays and hers is coming up in a couple weeks and I think it's my turn to call). > My first Ink Jet printer was an Olivetti Dry Ink Jet printer. > I got that for my coco 2. > It used a glass ampule that held a sort of powder that when a HIGH voltage > was applied to the back side, would cause a spark to occur at the end > closest to the paper. The platten was conductive and the spark would carry s > spot of the "Dry Ink" and snap it onto the paper. > It made a tiny little spot and worked pretty darn good for doing line > drawings. There was no shading, or control of the darkness of that spot. It > took dithering as in normat DMP printing to do that. > > It was so quiet, if you had a TV going, you might not even hear it > printing.. The paper feed mechanism made more noise than the print head, > however the platten moved is so small increments that it too, was almost > silent. > > It was quite a light show to watch it print. The spark was visible and > always astonished me how fast it zipped across the platten. It had to go > fast because it had to make a LOT of those little spots make a legible line > of text. Hence, the slow platten movement. > I still have a box of those Dry Ink Jet ampules. Wouldn't trade them for > the world. The printer is now parts... might be something from it that is in > one of my steam engines or maybe in something else. > I think it was around 1985 when I bought it. This was when Olivetti decided > to quit consumer sales and go strictly directed to business and it was a > close-out item. Puts me in mind of the first printer I used at home. Me and the spice had a 32-column Radio Shack Quick Printer II attached to the Model One from 1979 to 1981. Aluminum coated paper that was burned by a spark to make a black spot. Same technology as the Quick Printer I (80 Column) and the Screen Printer (memory mapped to a Mod One screen, it printed what you saw -- it was a pain to list a program -- I never owned one, but we had one set up at the first RSCC I worked at). Quiet but great to watch with the lights off. I doubt the tech passed the FCC rules that doomed the Mod One. What printer parts can you use in a steam engine? (I like retro-tech, but my interest in steam starts with nuclear reactors, still the cleanest and greenest energy source around). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 08:05:16 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:05:16 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco In-Reply-To: <004201c90a61$361ff7e0$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <004201c90a61$361ff7e0$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <200808300805.16508.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: >I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. > >What I'm loking for is the info on all the setup stuff to do the graphics, >varous text fonts and sizes and all that stuff. Even Okidata doesn't offer >this support today. >I'm surprised that a maintenance manual is available in numerous places, >most free. I have one now, but it's useless. >(If it works, don't fix it!) > >Are there other Oki DMP printers that might perform with the same >instructions as this ML 172? > >Would anyone have a manual for something that is compatible? > >Oh! I want to make this thing work on my coco so much, I can taste it. It's >a sweet taste that brings back memories of lines, circles and more. Most of those did the IBM Proprinter graphics quite well George, so you might want to look that up and see if it works, >It was so much more fun than making a picture in Paint Shop Pro and printing >it to an ink jet printer. > >My first Ink Jet printer was an Olivetti Dry Ink Jet printer. >I got that for my coco 2. > It used a glass ampule that held a sort of powder that when a HIGH voltage >was applied to the back side, would cause a spark to occur at the end >closest to the paper. The platten was conductive and the spark would carry s >spot of the "Dry Ink" and snap it onto the paper. >It made a tiny little spot and worked pretty darn good for doing line >drawings. There was no shading, or control of the darkness of that spot. It >took dithering as in normat DMP printing to do that. > > It was so quiet, if you had a TV going, you might not even hear it >printing.. The paper feed mechanism made more noise than the print head, >however the platten moved is so small increments that it too, was almost >silent. > > It was quite a light show to watch it print. The spark was visible and >always astonished me how fast it zipped across the platten. It had to go >fast because it had to make a LOT of those little spots make a legible line >of text. Hence, the slow platten movement. > I still have a box of those Dry Ink Jet ampules. Wouldn't trade them for >the world. The printer is now parts... might be something from it that is in >one of my steam engines or maybe in something else. > I think it was around 1985 when I bought it. This was when Olivetti decided >to quit consumer sales and go strictly directed to business and it was a >close-out item. > > >Okay, OKAY!!! > > I'm rambling.... > >I know.. > >But it's for a COCO for cryin' out loud! > >========== > >Movin' on now to what I've learned using this printer.... > > > I've been printing data to the screen from my CNC stuff so I can see where >the mill is. I've learned that I can print this info to the printer faster >than I can print it to the screen. > It seems it takes longer to print to the coco's screen than it does to >print to serial port at 9600 baud. > > This is a DOUBLE good thing... > > The reason I chose to use a printer is so I would have a hard copy of the >data. This way, I could look it over and decide what to do next, without >having to worry about losing the data printed to the screen. Paper is cheap. > > Then, as I was converting my program to print to the printer instead of the >screen, I learned that the coco was actually working faster. > > I didn't expect that. > >I suppose I should try a real, timed experiment to see if this is true. It >could be just in my mind because the printer is printing while the coco is >working and I am not noticing the delays while the coco is transferring data >to the printer. > > But.... by golly, it does seem faster.. It would not surprise me if it was George, the screen scrolling limits the coco's effective speeds to the screen to around 5500 baud effective. >George > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Consider the postage stamp: its usefulness consists in the ability to stick to one thing till it gets there. -- Josh Billings From jlhickle at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 10:13:57 2008 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco In-Reply-To: <004201c90a61$361ff7e0$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <438200.73589.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower wrote: > I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. According to Okidata: If you are using the ML 172 the IBM Graphics printer driver should be used with this printer. The ML 172 was manufactured in only the IBM compatable version. Go here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-ML172.nsf?opendatabase Click on "Knowledge Base" for the user manual. (Clicking on "Manuals" just gives Material Safety Data Sheets for ribbons. . . ... In case you get poked in the eye with a ribbon, I guess.) From diegoba at adinet.com.uy Sat Aug 30 10:18:57 2008 From: diegoba at adinet.com.uy (Diego Barizo) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:18:57 -0300 Subject: [Coco] OT: Sooner or latter, MS is going to come after us, at least if we still use their BASIC.... Message-ID: <48B956D1.3030408@adinet.com.uy> A patent on what ?!?!?! http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-218626.html Diego From jlhickle at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 10:32:07 2008 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <002201c90a44$1edf62e0$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <54852.86457.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > From: "Neil Morrison" > > > > > Use numbering machine ink - it contains a lubricant. > > > I've never heard of numbering machine ink and I > wouldn't know where to find > it unless I hunt it down on the net. You can get it at a drug store (ask the pharmacist, not the teenager at the front checkout). You could buy it yourself from Apothecary Products, but they have a $50 minimum order. From coconut at pritchard.ca Sat Aug 30 10:40:55 2008 From: coconut at pritchard.ca (Ryan Pritchard) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:40:55 -0500 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco In-Reply-To: <004201c90a61$361ff7e0$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <004201c90a61$361ff7e0$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <875DC24A-1724-4395-B2D2-AFF9600AF6E3@pritchard.ca> Here is a direct link from the my.okidata.com website, to the on-line User's Manual. http://my.okidata.com/man172.nsf/InsideUsersManual?OpenFrameSet Also found in my search was the service manual for the 172 / 182. http://www.eserviceinfo.com/download.php?fileid=12284 Both of the above sites were results on the first page of my Google search for 'oki ml172 manual' without the quotes. Though the eserviceinfo.com one I clicked on the result and then copied the direct download link for pasting in this message. Regards, Ryan Pritchard Fun Extends All Basic Life Expectancies On 30-Aug-08, at 12:28 AM, George Ramsower wrote: > I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. > > What I'm loking for is the info on all the setup stuff to do the > graphics, varous text fonts and sizes and all that stuff. Even > Okidata doesn't offer this support today. > I'm surprised that a maintenance manual is available in numerous > places, most free. I have one now, but it's useless. > (If it works, don't fix it!) > > Are there other Oki DMP printers that might perform with the same > instructions as this ML 172? > > Would anyone have a manual for something that is compatible? > > Oh! I want to make this thing work on my coco so much, I can taste > it. It's a sweet taste that brings back memories of lines, circles > and more. > > It was so much more fun than making a picture in Paint Shop Pro and > printing it to an ink jet printer. > > My first Ink Jet printer was an Olivetti Dry Ink Jet printer. > I got that for my coco 2. > It used a glass ampule that held a sort of powder that when a HIGH > voltage was applied to the back side, would cause a spark to occur > at the end closest to the paper. The platten was conductive and the > spark would carry s spot of the "Dry Ink" and snap it onto the paper. > It made a tiny little spot and worked pretty darn good for doing > line drawings. There was no shading, or control of the darkness of > that spot. It took dithering as in normat DMP printing to do that. > > It was so quiet, if you had a TV going, you might not even hear it > printing.. The paper feed mechanism made more noise than the print > head, however the platten moved is so small increments that it too, > was almost silent. > > It was quite a light show to watch it print. The spark was visible > and always astonished me how fast it zipped across the platten. It > had to go fast because it had to make a LOT of those little spots > make a legible line of text. Hence, the slow platten movement. > I still have a box of those Dry Ink Jet ampules. Wouldn't trade them > for the world. The printer is now parts... might be something from > it that is in one of my steam engines or maybe in something else. > I think it was around 1985 when I bought it. This was when Olivetti > decided to quit consumer sales and go strictly directed to business > and it was a close-out item. > > > Okay, OKAY!!! > > I'm rambling.... > > I know.. > > But it's for a COCO for cryin' out loud! > > ========== > > Movin' on now to what I've learned using this printer.... > > > I've been printing data to the screen from my CNC stuff so I can see > where the mill is. I've learned that I can print this info to the > printer faster than I can print it to the screen. > It seems it takes longer to print to the coco's screen than it does > to print to serial port at 9600 baud. > > This is a DOUBLE good thing... > > The reason I chose to use a printer is so I would have a hard copy > of the data. This way, I could look it over and decide what to do > next, without having to worry about losing the data printed to the > screen. Paper is cheap. > > Then, as I was converting my program to print to the printer instead > of the screen, I learned that the coco was actually working faster. > > I didn't expect that. > > I suppose I should try a real, timed experiment to see if this is > true. It could be just in my mind because the printer is printing > while the coco is working and I am not noticing the delays while the > coco is transferring data to the printer. > > But.... by golly, it does seem faster.. > > George > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 10:58:43 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:58:43 +0000 Subject: [Coco] OT: Sooner or latter, MS is going to come after us, at least if we still use their BASIC.... Message-ID: <083020081458.25744.48B96023000D1FE80000649022007340760B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> I think I can find some prior usage of the concept. Just about every incarnation of the vi editor comes to mind and several versions were "mouse enabled" before 'doze 1.0 or for that matter QDOS. It's important to remember that only one department at Microsoft keeps at the leading edge of their technology, and that's their legal department. Since the legal department is still chipping flint, they don't know much about what's going on in the world that even retro-techies live in. (They're still working to get that patent on anything round that rolls -- the "wheel" is just a trivial implementation). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Diego Barizo > A patent on what ?!?!?! > http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-218626.html > > Diego From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 11:24:44 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:24:44 +0000 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! Message-ID: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> My local pharmacist won't sell me the jars of potassium nitrate I used to purchase regularly when I was in junior high. 40-odd years later and somebody invents the damned TSA and anti-PATRIOT Act. Yeah, there are a few horse farms around, even in North Jersey, so I could go gather and reduce the niter the old fashioned way (La Esposa would NOT like the smell). But I'm getting old and the TSA is still watching. I'm on the No-Fly list because of my politics, not because I made explosives back when I was a kid and it was legal. Though there's a possible connection between my youthful activities and my older attitudes. (Odd thing is, I never fired a rifle until years after I stopped making bombs, and I'd never use a bomb as a weapon -- bombs kill uninvolved bystanders and a rifle kills only who you're aiming at -- but the USAF wasn't awarding marksmanship ribbons when I qualified for one in Basic). Two months until election day -- vote from the rooftops. Oh yeah, I had a few beers before I went to bed and the sun in my eyes woke me up much too soon, so it's probably a good idea to ignore this message and any advice given. La Esposa is down in Atlanta for the weekend so I guess I'll visit that horse farm down in Burlington and scrape crystals off of the stable walls. -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jim Hickle > You can get it at a drug store (ask the pharmacist, not the teenager at the > front checkout). You could buy it yourself from Apothecary Products, but they > have a $50 minimum order. From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Aug 30 11:44:33 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48B96AE1.6040604@cox.net> Much enjoyed, write a book. Tim wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > My local pharmacist won't sell me the jars of potassium nitrate I used to purchase regularly when I was in junior high. 40-odd years later and somebody invents the damned TSA and anti-PATRIOT Act. > > Yeah, there are a few horse farms around, even in North Jersey, so I could go gather and reduce the niter the old fashioned way (La Esposa would NOT like the smell). But I'm getting old and the TSA is still watching. > > I'm on the No-Fly list because of my politics, not because I made explosives back when I was a kid and it was legal. Though there's a possible connection between my youthful activities and my older attitudes. (Odd thing is, I never fired a rifle until years after I stopped making bombs, and I'd never use a bomb as a weapon -- bombs kill uninvolved bystanders and a rifle kills only who you're aiming at -- but the USAF wasn't awarding marksmanship ribbons when I qualified for one in Basic). > > Two months until election day -- vote from the rooftops. > > Oh yeah, I had a few beers before I went to bed and the sun in my eyes woke me up much too soon, so it's probably a good idea to ignore this message and any advice given. La Esposa is down in Atlanta for the weekend so I guess I'll visit that horse farm down in Burlington and scrape crystals off of the stable walls. > -- > Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net > > "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Jim Hickle > >> You can get it at a drug store (ask the pharmacist, not the teenager at the >> front checkout). You could buy it yourself from Apothecary Products, but they >> have a $50 minimum order. >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 12:38:08 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:38:08 +0000 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! Message-ID: <083020081638.21658.48B97770000C610B0000549A22070009530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> I have. The publishers won't touch it with a five and a half foot Lithuanian (the height and most ancestry of La Esposa). Possibly because everything I have to say has been done better by others. L. Neil Smith (www.ncc-1776.com), Vin Suprynowicz (http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/Vin_Suprynowicz.html), and just about everybody who does a regular gig on www.lewrockwell.com. I didn't invent the stuff I go for. Others were there first. I started by reading Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand when the legal system considered me a child. Well, most folks consider you a child when you're seven or eight years old, especially if you're reading stuff that wasn't assigned by your teacher. But my personal autobiography isn't really that special or unique. (Well, maybe the years with Radio Shack, but since I was in tech support the memories weren't setting while the liver damage was in first place so it's hard to write about). (Not special to Radio Shack, ask anybody who's done tech support anywhere, even from Bangalore -- I'd wager that liquor sales in that part of India have gone up at least eight-fold since outsourcing became popular). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Tim Fadden > Much enjoyed, write a book. > > Tim > > wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > > My local pharmacist won't sell me the jars of potassium nitrate I used to > purchase regularly when I was in junior high. 40-odd years later and somebody > invents the damned TSA and anti-PATRIOT Act. > > > > Yeah, there are a few horse farms around, even in North Jersey, so I could go > gather and reduce the niter the old fashioned way (La Esposa would NOT like the > smell). But I'm getting old and the TSA is still watching. > > > > I'm on the No-Fly list because of my politics, not because I made explosives > back when I was a kid and it was legal. Though there's a possible connection > between my youthful activities and my older attitudes. (Odd thing is, I never > fired a rifle until years after I stopped making bombs, and I'd never use a bomb > as a weapon -- bombs kill uninvolved bystanders and a rifle kills only who > you're aiming at -- but the USAF wasn't awarding marksmanship ribbons when I > qualified for one in Basic). > > > > Two months until election day -- vote from the rooftops. > > > > Oh yeah, I had a few beers before I went to bed and the sun in my eyes woke me > up much too soon, so it's probably a good idea to ignore this message and any > advice given. La Esposa is down in Atlanta for the weekend so I guess I'll > visit that horse farm down in Burlington and scrape crystals off of the stable > walls. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 12:38:44 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:38:44 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco In-Reply-To: <438200.73589.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <438200.73589.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200808301238.45062.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, Jim Hickle wrote: >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower wrote: >> I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. > >According to Okidata: >If you are using the ML 172 the IBM Graphics printer driver should be used > with this printer. The ML 172 was manufactured in only the IBM compatable > version. > >Go here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-ML172.nsf?opendatabase >Click on "Knowledge Base" for the user manual. >(Clicking on "Manuals" just gives Material Safety Data Sheets for ribbons. >. >. >... >In case you get poked in the eye with a ribbon, I guess.) > First, we kill all the lawyers... So says William Shakespear. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The world is not octal despite DEC. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 12:46:08 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:46:08 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >My local pharmacist won't sell me the jars of potassium nitrate I used to > purchase regularly when I was in junior high. 40-odd years later and > somebody invents the damned TSA and anti-PATRIOT Act. > First, we kill all the lawyers.. >Yeah, there are a few horse farms around, even in North Jersey, so I could > go gather and reduce the niter the old fashioned way (La Esposa would NOT > like the smell). But I'm getting old and the TSA is still watching. > >I'm on the No-Fly list because of my politics, not because I made explosives > back when I was a kid and it was legal. Though there's a possible > connection between my youthful activities and my older attitudes. (Odd > thing is, I never fired a rifle until years after I stopped making bombs, > and I'd never use a bomb as a weapon -- bombs kill uninvolved bystanders > and a rifle kills only who you're aiming at -- but the USAF wasn't awarding > marksmanship ribbons when I qualified for one in Basic). > >Two months until election day -- vote from the rooftops. Now there is a thought. And probably just as valid a vote. Permanency you know. :) >Oh yeah, I had a few beers before I went to bed and the sun in my eyes woke > me up much too soon, so it's probably a good idea to ignore this message > and any advice given. La Esposa is down in Atlanta for the weekend so I > guess I'll visit that horse farm down in Burlington and scrape crystals off > of the stable walls. -- What are we constructing this time? Wouldn't some American Pioneer work just as well? Its certainly working in my charcoal burners. All 3 of them. >Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net > >"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a > guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him > down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe > Devil_ > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Jim Hickle > >> You can get it at a drug store (ask the pharmacist, not the teenager at >> the front checkout). You could buy it yourself from Apothecary Products, >> but they have a $50 minimum order. > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The world is not octal despite DEC. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 12:51:55 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:51:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <083020081638.21658.48B97770000C610B0000549A22070009530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> References: <083020081638.21658.48B97770000C610B0000549A22070009530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200808301251.55957.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >I have. The publishers won't touch it with a five and a half foot > Lithuanian (the height and most ancestry of La Esposa). Possibly because > everything I have to say has been done better by others. L. Neil Smith > (www.ncc-1776.com), Vin Suprynowicz > (http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/Vin_Suprynowicz.html), and just about > everybody who does a regular gig on www.lewrockwell.com. > That's not too bad a company you keep there Ward, more or less along the lines of the founding fathers when you get down to the foundations of what they say. But you have to keep the BS filters well oiled. >I didn't invent the stuff I go for. Others were there first. I started by > reading Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand when the legal system considered me a > child. Well, most folks consider you a child when you're seven or eight > years old, especially if you're reading stuff that wasn't assigned by your > teacher. But my personal autobiography isn't really that special or > unique. (Well, maybe the years with Radio Shack, but since I was in tech > support the memories weren't setting while the liver damage was in first > place so it's hard to write about). (Not special to Radio Shack, ask > anybody who's done tech support anywhere, even from Bangalore -- I'd wager > that liquor sales in that part of India have gone up at least eight-fold > since outsourcing became popular). -- Do they make their own, or do we have the franchise? :) >Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net > >"What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a > guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him > down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe > Devil_ > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Tim Fadden > >> Much enjoyed, write a book. >> >> Tim >> >> wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >> > My local pharmacist won't sell me the jars of potassium nitrate I used >> > to >> >> purchase regularly when I was in junior high. 40-odd years later and >> somebody invents the damned TSA and anti-PATRIOT Act. >> >> > Yeah, there are a few horse farms around, even in North Jersey, so I >> > could go >> >> gather and reduce the niter the old fashioned way (La Esposa would NOT >> like the smell). But I'm getting old and the TSA is still watching. >> >> > I'm on the No-Fly list because of my politics, not because I made >> > explosives >> >> back when I was a kid and it was legal. Though there's a possible >> connection between my youthful activities and my older attitudes. (Odd >> thing is, I never fired a rifle until years after I stopped making bombs, >> and I'd never use a bomb as a weapon -- bombs kill uninvolved bystanders >> and a rifle kills only who you're aiming at -- but the USAF wasn't >> awarding marksmanship ribbons when I qualified for one in Basic). >> >> > Two months until election day -- vote from the rooftops. >> > >> > Oh yeah, I had a few beers before I went to bed and the sun in my eyes >> > woke me >> >> up much too soon, so it's probably a good idea to ignore this message and >> any advice given. La Esposa is down in Atlanta for the weekend so I guess >> I'll visit that horse farm down in Burlington and scrape crystals off of >> the stable walls. > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Perl programming is an *empirical* science! -- Larry Wall in <10226 at jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 12:53:55 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:53:55 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: Sooner or latter, MS is going to come after us, at least if we still use their BASIC.... In-Reply-To: <48B956D1.3030408@adinet.com.uy> References: <48B956D1.3030408@adinet.com.uy> Message-ID: <200808301253.56033.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, Diego Barizo wrote: >A patent on what ?!?!?! >http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-218626.html > >Diego > Yeah, but that won't last long enough for the ink to dry. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Auribus teneo lupum. [I hold a wolf by the ears.] [Boy, it *sounds* good. But what does it *mean*?] From lamune at doki-doki.net Sat Aug 30 12:54:32 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:54:32 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: Sooner or latter, MS is going to come after us, at least if we still use their BASIC.... In-Reply-To: <083020081458.25744.48B96023000D1FE80000649022007340760B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> References: <083020081458.25744.48B96023000D1FE80000649022007340760B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6EF@fenestra.lamunet.local> Ah Ward, we so love you here at Microsoft :) I've been meaning to ask the "flint-chippers" in Legal & Corporate Affairs what their take on the 8-bit BASIC code is. BillG did mention (promise?) a book that would explain how the BASIC ROM worked, but we never got that officially, although the Unraveled series is probably just as good or better. I really don't think anyone there will care much. I don't see any LCA folks in the retro-computing groups in the company I'm in. Yes we have those. Me next start group about wheels, Me hear they have potential. Maybe fire next. Fire scary. :) -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of wdg3rd at comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:59 AM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Sooner or latter, MS is going to come after > us,at least if we still use their BASIC.... > > I think I can find some prior usage of the concept. Just about every > incarnation of the vi editor comes to mind and several versions were > "mouse enabled" before 'doze 1.0 or for that matter QDOS. > > It's important to remember that only one department at Microsoft keeps > at the leading edge of their technology, and that's their legal > department. Since the legal department is still chipping flint, they > don't know much about what's going on in the world that even retro- > techies live in. (They're still working to get that patent on anything > round that rolls -- the "wheel" is just a trivial implementation). > -- > Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net > > "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you > see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to > slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron > Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Diego Barizo > > A patent on what ?!?!?! > > http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-218626.html > > > > Diego > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From t.fadden at cox.net Sat Aug 30 13:23:08 2008 From: t.fadden at cox.net (Tim Fadden) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:23:08 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <083020081638.21658.48B97770000C610B0000549A22070009530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> References: <083020081638.21658.48B97770000C610B0000549A22070009530B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48B981FC.80904@cox.net> Its not so much what you say, but how you meter and phrase the thoughts that make me laugh! Strikes a cord deep down. Guess its because we are the same age, and of the same root. I started out working part time while in high school as an appliance, lawn mower, tractor and whatever anybody brought to the small town hardware store to get fixed repairman . Then in my adult years as a copier repairman for Kodak, and then into computers. Now I a System Support Engineer for Sun Microsystems. ha ha ha Tim wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: > I have. The publishers won't touch it with a five and a half foot Lithuanian (the height and most ancestry of La Esposa). Possibly because everything I have to say has been done better by others. L. Neil Smith (www.ncc-1776.com), Vin Suprynowicz (http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/Vin_Suprynowicz.html), and just about everybody who does a regular gig on www.lewrockwell.com. > > I didn't invent the stuff I go for. Others were there first. I started by reading Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand when the legal system considered me a child. Well, most folks consider you a child when you're seven or eight years old, especially if you're reading stuff that wasn't assigned by your teacher. But my personal autobiography isn't really that special or unique. (Well, maybe the years with Radio Shack, but since I was in tech support the memories weren't setting while the liver damage was in first place so it's hard to write about). (Not special to Radio Shack, ask anybody who's done tech support anywhere, even from Bangalore -- I'd wager that liquor sales in that part of India have gone up at least eight-fold since outsourcing became popular). > -- > Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net > > "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Tim Fadden > >> Much enjoyed, write a book. >> >> Tim >> >> wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> My local pharmacist won't sell me the jars of potassium nitrate I used to >>> >> purchase regularly when I was in junior high. 40-odd years later and somebody >> invents the damned TSA and anti-PATRIOT Act. >> >>> Yeah, there are a few horse farms around, even in North Jersey, so I could go >>> >> gather and reduce the niter the old fashioned way (La Esposa would NOT like the >> smell). But I'm getting old and the TSA is still watching. >> >>> I'm on the No-Fly list because of my politics, not because I made explosives >>> >> back when I was a kid and it was legal. Though there's a possible connection >> between my youthful activities and my older attitudes. (Odd thing is, I never >> fired a rifle until years after I stopped making bombs, and I'd never use a bomb >> as a weapon -- bombs kill uninvolved bystanders and a rifle kills only who >> you're aiming at -- but the USAF wasn't awarding marksmanship ribbons when I >> qualified for one in Basic). >> >>> Two months until election day -- vote from the rooftops. >>> >>> Oh yeah, I had a few beers before I went to bed and the sun in my eyes woke me >>> >> up much too soon, so it's probably a good idea to ignore this message and any >> advice given. La Esposa is down in Atlanta for the weekend so I guess I'll >> visit that horse farm down in Burlington and scrape crystals off of the stable >> walls. >> > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > From georgeramsower at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 14:15:02 2008 From: georgeramsower at gmail.com (George Ramsower) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:15:02 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco References: <438200.73589.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200808301238.45062.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004801c90acc$52a4d4b0$d4b1b1d8@house> Okay... Last night, went to the my.okidata site, signed in and gave them everything they need to know to spam me and send me junk mail. Once in, I discovered it isn't what I need. On Saturday 30 August 2008, Jim Hickle wrote: >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower >> I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. > >According to Okidata: >If you are using the ML 172 the IBM Graphics printer driver should be used > with this printer. The ML 172 was manufactured in only the IBM compatable > version. As we all know, the driver will not work on a coco. The information I am looking for is the details on sending the escape codes to place it into the graphics modes and how they implement the printing of the pixels. I have had a few DMP printers over the years and, the owner's manuals back then had a section in the back of the book that explained how to control the printer all the way down to where to place a pixel/dot in graphics. > >Go here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-ML172.nsf?opendatabase >Click on "Knowledge Base" for the user manual. >(Clicking on "Manuals" just gives Material Safety Data Sheets for ribbons. >. Been there and saw that. Searching for a manual showed that it was not for sale, but gives links to where you can buy it. DOH! I don't think I'll have a problem with sticking a ribbon in my eye :) So the MSDS sheets aren't applicable. ---------- Hello! Gene, >>Oh! I want to make this thing work on my coco so much, I can taste it. >>It's >>a sweet taste that brings back memories of lines, circles and more. >Most of those did the IBM Proprinter graphics quite well George, so you >might >want to look that up and see if it works, Aren't those the built in semi-graphics? That wouldn't do, if it was I'll look that up and see if it is what I want George From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 14:18:31 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:18:31 +0000 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco Message-ID: <083020081818.3197.48B98EF70005A37500000C7D22058891160B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> From: Gene Heskett > On Saturday 30 August 2008, Jim Hickle wrote: > >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower wrote: > >> I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. > > > >According to Okidata: > >If you are using the ML 172 the IBM Graphics printer driver should be used > > with this printer. The ML 172 was manufactured in only the IBM compatable > > version. > > > >Go here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-ML172.nsf?opendatabase > >Click on "Knowledge Base" for the user manual. > >(Clicking on "Manuals" just gives Material Safety Data Sheets for ribbons. > >. > >. > >... > >In case you get poked in the eye with a ribbon, I guess.) > > > First, we kill all the lawyers... So says William Shakespear. :) No, he quoted Henry VI. (Not a nice guy, but none of the Plantagenets were, even Richard I and I forget which Henry was the first Tudor and they weren't nice people either). A good idea anyway, since most government employees, whether elected or appointed or hired off the street, have law degrees. Well, the town garbage guys don't, but the interns going in front of them to make sure there are no recyclables in the bag, are attending the closest tax-supported law school (usually Rutgers, if you're interested). My property tax pays for all of that, so I've got to get out of New Jersey. (Yes, we have trash nazis walking the streets in Kearny NJ and I'd rather have honest drug dealers and hookers since they don't depend on my cash unless I choose to deal). I been drinking too much 3 24oz cans of "Camo Black Ice 10,5% is close to a case of Colorado Kool-Aid so I better slow down. From jlhickle at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 14:30:17 2008 From: jlhickle at yahoo.com (Jim Hickle) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco In-Reply-To: <004801c90acc$52a4d4b0$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <118125.58813.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't need to register anything; pick "view online". Chapter 3 describes graphic modes. --- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower wrote: > From: George Ramsower > Subject: [Coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco > To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" > Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:15 PM > Okay... > > Last night, went to the my.okidata site, signed in and > gave them everything > they need to know to spam me and send me junk mail. Once > in, I discovered it > isn't what I need. > > On Saturday 30 August 2008, Jim Hickle wrote: > > >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower > >> I can't find the manual on this ML 172 > printer. > > > >According to Okidata: > >If you are using the ML 172 the IBM Graphics printer > driver should be used > > with this printer. The ML 172 was manufactured in only > the IBM compatable > > version. > > As we all know, the driver will not work on a coco. The > information I am > looking for is the details on sending the escape codes to > place it into the > graphics modes and how they implement the printing of the > pixels. > I have had a few DMP printers over the years and, the > owner's manuals back > then had a section in the back of the book that explained > how to control the > printer all the way down to where to place a pixel/dot in > graphics. > > > >Go here: > http://my.okidata.com/PP-ML172.nsf?opendatabase > >Click on "Knowledge Base" for the user > manual. > >(Clicking on "Manuals" just gives Material > Safety Data Sheets for ribbons. > >. > Been there and saw that. Searching for a manual showed > that it was not for > sale, but gives links to where you can buy it. > > DOH! > > I don't think I'll have a problem with sticking a > ribbon in my eye :) So > the MSDS sheets aren't applicable. > > ---------- > > Hello! Gene, > > >>Oh! I want to make this thing work on my coco so > much, I can taste it. > >>It's > >>a sweet taste that brings back memories of lines, > circles and more. > > >Most of those did the IBM Proprinter graphics quite > well George, so you > >might > >want to look that up and see if it works, > > Aren't those the built in semi-graphics? That > wouldn't do, if it was > > I'll look that up and see if it is what I want > > George > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From farna at att.net Sat Aug 30 14:31:02 2008 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex Message-ID: <48B991E6.3080606@att.net> Yes, he did in a way, but was justified in another. On a 64K system, which was the limit for the CoCo 1 and 2, Flex was indeed a "better" operating system. It took fewer processor resources and left a lot more room for programs to run in. When the 64K limit was breached, OS-9 came into its own. There's an interview with Frank Hogg in my book ("Tandy's Little Wonder"). Wish I still had the tape that I recorded the phone conversation on, that would be neat to hear now! His position never changed, but many get the idea that he had to "eat his words" over the issue. I remember him mentioning that it "was unfortunate that the 64K barrier was overcome (about the time or right after) Rainbow printed that article" (probably not an exact quote, but as close as memory will allow!). It did leave some egg on his face, but he stood by his words -- on a 64K system Flex was "better". --------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:42:06 -0400 From: Chuck Youse On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:57 -0400, Frank Swygert wrote: > > There are no patches to Color Flex that will allow it to be run on a CC3. It was gone way before the CC3 came out! It was sort of a competitor to OS-9 Level 1, and in some ways was better -- it made better use of a 32-64K environment. Frank Hogg got in a bit of hot water by saying Flex was better than OS-9! Then the CC3 and Level II came out. OS-9 was better than Flex given the extra memory to work with, and Flex fell to the wayside. There may have been later versions of Flex that exploited more memory, but none were developed for or ported to the CoCo3 that I know of. > I vaguely recall Frank Hogg eating his words after Level II came out. Somewhere in Rainbow. -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 14:41:26 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:41:26 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: Sooner or latter, MS is going to come after us, at least if we still use their BASIC.... References: <48B956D1.3030408@adinet.com.uy> Message-ID: Wait till I get my patent for a system of showing the representations of letter and numbers on a glowing screen. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Barizo" >A patent on what ?!?!?! > http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-218626.html > > Diego From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 14:58:05 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:58:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco In-Reply-To: <083020081818.3197.48B98EF70005A37500000C7D22058891160B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> References: <083020081818.3197.48B98EF70005A37500000C7D22058891160B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200808301458.05289.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >From: Gene Heskett > >> On Saturday 30 August 2008, Jim Hickle wrote: >> >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower wrote: >> >> I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. >> > >> >According to Okidata: >> >If you are using the ML 172 the IBM Graphics printer driver should be >> > used with this printer. The ML 172 was manufactured in only the IBM >> > compatable version. >> > >> >Go here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-ML172.nsf?opendatabase >> >Click on "Knowledge Base" for the user manual. >> >(Clicking on "Manuals" just gives Material Safety Data Sheets for >> > ribbons. . >> >. >> >... >> >In case you get poked in the eye with a ribbon, I guess.) >> >> First, we kill all the lawyers... So says William Shakespear. :) > >No, he quoted Henry VI. (Not a nice guy, but none of the Plantagenets were, > even Richard I and I forget which Henry was the first Tudor and they > weren't nice people either). Weren't they all Templars? That whole chapter in history is pretty badly bloodstained. > A good idea anyway, since most government > employees, whether elected or appointed or hired off the street, have law > degrees. Well, the town garbage guys don't, but the interns going in front > of them to make sure there are no recyclables in the bag, are attending the > closest tax-supported law school (usually Rutgers, if you're interested). > My property tax pays for all of that, so I've got to get out of New Jersey. > (Yes, we have trash nazis walking the streets in Kearny NJ and I'd rather > have honest drug dealers and hookers since they don't depend on my cash > unless I choose to deal). > >I been drinking too much 3 24oz cans of "Camo Black Ice 10,5% is close to a > case of Colorado Kool-Aid so I better slow down. That does sound like fun, but what would it do to my sugar? Ugggh. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) In Lexington, Kentucky, it's illegal to carry an ice cream cone in your pocket. From brucewcalkins at charter.net Sat Aug 30 14:59:49 2008 From: brucewcalkins at charter.net (Bruce W. Calkins) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:59:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco References: <118125.58813.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39735EFCB2E04E48B2E028ADB8E5C562@trotter> >> Oh! I want to make this thing work >> on my coco so much, I can taste it. I have used a Okidata in the 180 or 190 model range. I still have them somewhere. Some of the printers had type side settings from the panel. To the best that I remember, I just put ASCII data in and got print out. Bruce W. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 14:59:50 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:59:50 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco In-Reply-To: <004801c90acc$52a4d4b0$d4b1b1d8@house> References: <438200.73589.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200808301238.45062.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <004801c90acc$52a4d4b0$d4b1b1d8@house> Message-ID: <200808301459.50804.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: >Okay... > > Last night, went to the my.okidata site, signed in and gave them everything >they need to know to spam me and send me junk mail. Once in, I discovered it >isn't what I need. > >On Saturday 30 August 2008, Jim Hickle wrote: >>--- On Sat, 8/30/08, George Ramsower >> >>> I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. >> >>According to Okidata: >>If you are using the ML 172 the IBM Graphics printer driver should be used >> with this printer. The ML 172 was manufactured in only the IBM compatable >> version. > > As we all know, the driver will not work on a coco. The information I am >looking for is the details on sending the escape codes to place it into the >graphics modes and how they implement the printing of the pixels. > I have had a few DMP printers over the years and, the owner's manuals back >then had a section in the back of the book that explained how to control the >printer all the way down to where to place a pixel/dot in graphics. > >>Go here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-ML172.nsf?opendatabase >>Click on "Knowledge Base" for the user manual. >>(Clicking on "Manuals" just gives Material Safety Data Sheets for ribbons. >>. > > Been there and saw that. Searching for a manual showed that it was not for >sale, but gives links to where you can buy it. > >DOH! > > I don't think I'll have a problem with sticking a ribbon in my eye :) So >the MSDS sheets aren't applicable. > >---------- > > Hello! Gene, > >>>Oh! I want to make this thing work on my coco so much, I can taste it. >>>It's >>>a sweet taste that brings back memories of lines, circles and more. >> >>Most of those did the IBM Proprinter graphics quite well George, so you >>might >>want to look that up and see if it works, > >Aren't those the built in semi-graphics? That wouldn't do, if it was > I think so, but never used it, so my hand isn't within reaching distance of a bible to swear on. > I'll look that up and see if it is what I want > >George > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Oregano, n.: The ancient Italian art of pizza folding. From tonym at compusource.net Sat Aug 30 15:00:18 2008 From: tonym at compusource.net (Tony Mori) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:00:18 -0400 Subject: [Coco] OT: Sooner or latter, MS is going to come after us, at least if we still use their BASIC.... References: <48B956D1.3030408@adinet.com.uy> Message-ID: <001e01c90ad2$a684a2d0$9a64a8c0@nclmiami.ncl.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Barizo" To: "CoCo List" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: [Coco] OT: Sooner or latter, MS is going to come after us, at least if we still use their BASIC.... >A patent on what ?!?!?! > http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-218626.html > I'm sorry - hasn't IBM had those keys on mid-range / mainframe terminals for DECADES?? From farna at att.net Sat Aug 30 15:28:26 2008 From: farna at att.net (Frank Swygert) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:28:26 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco Message-ID: <48B99F5A.7070003@att.net> The Oki may have some special graphics that other printers don't, but it should respond to the more or less standard Epson codes also. Nearly all printers emulated an Epson, won't hurt to try! Even the ProPrinter was a subset of Epson codes I think, maybe has a few extras of its own. Oki still makes a pin printer, so does Epson and Panasonic. Have to have them for multi-part forms, but many places are going to just printing several copies of a page on a laser. See http://www.superwarehouse.com/9_Pin_Dot_Matrix_Printers/c2b/2526 That Microline 186 is probably close enough to your 172 that the codes are the same -- you should be able to find a manual for the 186 since it's current production. ------------- Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:05:16 -0400 From: Gene Heskett On Saturday 30 August 2008, George Ramsower wrote: > >I can't find the manual on this ML 172 printer. > > > >What I'm loking for is the info on all the setup stuff to do the graphics, > >varous text fonts and sizes and all that stuff. Even Okidata doesn't offer > >this support today. > > > Most of those did the IBM Proprinter graphics quite well George, so you might > want to look that up and see if it works, > > -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From jimcox at miba51.com Sat Aug 30 15:40:40 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:40:40 -0700 Subject: [Coco] OT: Free Windows 3.11 books. Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808301240m3ac1a289sec1e0112cf39b598@mail.gmail.com> I have been busy cleaning house and getting rid of stuff I don't need. I came across three Windows 3.11 books and thought that some of the computer archeologists on this list might be interested in them. They are free for the taking, you just need to pay shipping. To make this post on topic, I am doing all this cleaning and reorganizing so I can focus on just a few things, one of them being the CoCo. -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ From wdg3rd at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 16:15:44 2008 From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:15:44 +0000 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! Message-ID: <083020082015.22145.48B9AA70000440A30000568122007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> From: Gene Heskett > >Two months until election day -- vote from the rooftops. > > Now there is a thought. And probably just as valid a vote. Permanency you > know. :) > > >Oh yeah, I had a few beers before I went to bed and the sun in my eyes woke > > me up much too soon, so it's probably a good idea to ignore this message > > and any advice given. La Esposa is down in Atlanta for the weekend so I > > guess I'll visit that horse farm down in Burlington and scrape crystals off > > of the stable walls. -- > > What are we constructing this time? Wouldn't some American Pioneer work just > as well? Its certainly working in my charcoal burners. All 3 of them. If I scrape my niter, smoke my charcoal and dig my sulfur there are no traces except DNA. Mine, and I'm already a suspect. Buying some American Pioneer in New Jersey takes a lot more effort. Step One, you have to show the card for the gun you're using it in. Don't have (or at least won't admit to Trenton) any functional tool for self-defense, as they'll send cops who the supreme courts of the US, NJ and a bunch of other states have declared have no responsibility to protect anybody except themselves, to confiscate any means of self defense I might have (and kill me while paid by my taxes if I resist or even go HUH?) I won't admit out loud to owning any powder around here. Nor any rounds for the Marlin 1894CS lever gun (both the arm and ammunition are not privy to to Trenton). La Esposa has some rounds for something her dad brought back from some war he was in (he was in the Navy before Pearl, he was in the USAF after Korea and he was in the OSS in between -- no lie, my DD-214 is a single sheet and his is half a ream of paper, most of it blacked out -- and it still took the East Orange VA Hospital 40 years to kill him, and they're considered good at the job). Yeah, I'm a bit paranoid (and I know I have enemies, most of whom suck on my tit by taxation). Reread your copy of Jefferson's best effort and tell me if George III was worse than the current George, his immediate predecessor, his father or either of the proposed successors. I'll declare the current bastard almost as bad as Lincoln but not as smart as Lincoln [who as I recall had your home state dragged from Virginia without any Constitutional authority, among other crimes] or Wilson or FDR when it came to destroying the Constitution (that retarded dwarf [Natalie Maines was ostracized for being sorry he came from Texas, I'm sorry he's biologically the same species, his daughters could breed with my nephews -- could happen, those boys will screw anything that doesn't run fast enough] stands on the shoulders of giants). Count the parentheses. I _think_ the main insult was to the current "Commander in Chief" but I've got that bad habit of trying to explain what I'm doing and inserting another bubble. And missing one of the sides). Mox nix. Vote from the rooftops You can't dig a foxhole in a sidewalk. (A famous American general said that last and I can't remember who). -- Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net "What I know [about the art of the sword] boils down to this: If you see a guy running at you with a sword, put two rounds in his chest to slow him down, then one into his brain to finish him off". Aaron Allston, _Sidhe Devil_ From devries.bob at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 17:24:24 2008 From: devries.bob at gmail.com (Bob Devries) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:24:24 +1000 Subject: [Coco] Color Flex References: <48B991E6.3080606@att.net> Message-ID: <004101c90ae6$c9357750$0701a8c0@master> I just tried that Color Flex disk image in the MESS emulator using coco2 emulation, and it doesn't work there either. -- Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me the capacity to be his spokesman, so that I know how to help the weary. website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Swygert" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [Coco] Color Flex > Yes, he did in a way, but was justified in another. On a 64K system, which > was the limit for the CoCo 1 and 2, Flex was indeed a "better" operating > system. It took fewer processor resources and left a lot more room for > programs to run in. When the 64K limit was breached, OS-9 came into its > own. > There's an interview with Frank Hogg in my book ("Tandy's Little Wonder"). > Wish I still had the tape that I recorded the phone conversation on, that > would be neat to hear now! His position never changed, but many get the > idea that he had to "eat his words" over the issue. I remember him > mentioning that it "was unfortunate that the 64K barrier was overcome > (about the time or right after) Rainbow printed that article" (probably > not an exact quote, but as close as memory will allow!). It did leave some > egg on his face, but he stood by his words -- on a 64K system Flex was > "better". > --------------- > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:42:06 -0400 > From: Chuck Youse > > > On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:57 -0400, Frank Swygert wrote: > >> > There are no patches to Color Flex that will allow it to be run on a >> > CC3. It was gone way before the CC3 came out! It was sort of a >> > competitor to OS-9 Level 1, and in some ways was better -- it made >> > better use of a 32-64K environment. Frank Hogg got in a bit of hot >> > water by saying Flex was better than OS-9! Then the CC3 and Level II >> > came out. OS-9 was better than Flex given the extra memory to work >> > with, and Flex fell to the wayside. There may have been later versions >> > of Flex that exploited more memory, but none were developed for or >> > ported to the CoCo3 that I know of. >> > > I vaguely recall Frank Hogg eating his words after Level II came out. > Somewhere in Rainbow. > > -- > Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 21:02:02 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:02:02 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <083020082015.22145.48B9AA70000440A30000568122007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> References: <083020082015.22145.48B9AA70000440A30000568122007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200808302102.02592.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, wdg3rd at comcast.net wrote: >From: Gene Heskett > >> >Two months until election day -- vote from the rooftops. >> >> Now there is a thought. And probably just as valid a vote. Permanency you >> know. :) >> >> >Oh yeah, I had a few beers before I went to bed and the sun in my eyes >> > woke me up much too soon, so it's probably a good idea to ignore this >> > message and any advice given. La Esposa is down in Atlanta for the >> > weekend so I guess I'll visit that horse farm down in Burlington and >> > scrape crystals off of the stable walls. -- >> >> What are we constructing this time? Wouldn't some American Pioneer work >> just as well? Its certainly working in my charcoal burners. All 3 of >> them. > >If I scrape my niter, smoke my charcoal and dig my sulfur there are no > traces except DNA. Mine, and I'm already a suspect. Buying some American > Pioneer in New Jersey takes a lot more effort. Step One, you have to show > the card for the gun you're using it in. What? > Don't have (or at least won't > admit to Trenton) any functional tool for self-defense, as they'll send > cops who the supreme courts of the US, NJ and a bunch of other states have > declared have no responsibility to protect anybody except themselves, to > confiscate any means of self defense I might have (and kill me while paid > by my taxes if I resist or even go HUH?) Remind me to never, under any circumstances, set foot in NJ. That place needs a plumb serious housecleaning with a "street sweeper", the one you can't muffle. Didja ever hear of a ballot box? Elect some folks who will fix that. Or are they (the ballot boxes) as defective as the schmucks in office? No one in their right minds would ever vote someone into office that promised to make life hell like that. >I won't admit out loud to owning any powder around here. Nor any rounds for > the Marlin 1894CS lever gun (both the arm and ammunition are not privy to > to Trenton). It is none of their business in the first place! > La Esposa has some rounds for something her dad brought back > from some war he was in (he was in the Navy before Pearl, he was in the > USAF after Korea and he was in the OSS in between -- no lie, my DD-214 is a > single sheet and his is half a ream of paper, most of it blacked out -- and > it still took the East Orange VA Hospital 40 years to kill him, and they're > considered good at the job). So I've heard from another source, more than once... >Yeah, I'm a bit paranoid (and I know I have enemies, most of whom suck on my > tit by taxation). > >Reread your copy of Jefferson's best effort and tell me if George III was > worse than the current George, his immediate predecessor, his father or > either of the proposed successors. I'll declare the current bastard almost > as bad as Lincoln but not as smart as Lincoln [who as I recall had your > home state dragged from Virginia without any Constitutional authority, > among other crimes] or Wilson or FDR when it came to destroying the > Constitution (that retarded dwarf [Natalie Maines was ostracized for being > sorry he came from Texas, I'm sorry he's biologically the same species, his > daughters could breed with my nephews -- could happen, those boys will > screw anything that doesn't run fast enough] stands on the shoulders of > giants). Hey, I'm on her side. OTOH, she is an entertainer, and that wasn't 'entertaining'... >Count the parentheses. I _think_ the main insult was to the current > "Commander in Chief" but I've got that bad habit of trying to explain what > I'm doing and inserting another bubble. And missing one of the sides). Close enough for the girls I go with. :) >Mox nix. Vote from the rooftops You can't dig a foxhole in a sidewalk. (A > famous American general said that last and I can't remember who). -- >Ward Griffiths wdg3rd at comcast.net Probably Patton. But only cuz it sounds like something he would have said. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "Any excuse will serve a tyrant." -- Aesop From RJRTTY at aol.com Sat Aug 30 21:03:17 2008 From: RJRTTY at aol.com (RJRTTY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:03:17 EDT Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco Message-ID: In a message dated 8/30/2008 2:18:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wdg3rd at comcast.net writes: I been drinking too much 3 24oz cans of "Camo Black Ice 10,5% is close to a case of Colorado Kool-Aid so I better slow down. I like it when you drink. It's truly entertaining..... I'll bet one of those super computers the government secretly keeps in a basement somewhere to monitor email for terrorist hooligans is having a fit over your prose right now. :) OK G-men, come and get him. He should be easy to handle for a few hours now. (my money is on the hooligan) Roy **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 22:10:40 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:10:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] [coco] Okidata ML 172 on my coco In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808302210.40928.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, RJRTTY at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/30/2008 2:18:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >wdg3rd at comcast.net writes: > >I been drinking too much 3 24oz cans of "Camo Black Ice 10,5% is close to a >case of Colorado Kool-Aid so I better slow down. > > > > > >I like it when you drink. It's truly entertaining..... > >I'll bet one of those super computers the government secretly >keeps in a basement somewhere to monitor email for terrorist hooligans >is having a fit over your prose right now. :) > >OK G-men, come and get him. He should be easy to handle for >a few hours now. > >(my money is on the hooligan) So is mine, which makes the odds at least 2/1 in favor of the hooligan. :) >Roy > > > > >**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel deal here. >(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Be nice to people on the way up, because you'll meet them on your way down. -- Wilson Mizner From operator at coco3.com Sat Aug 30 22:16:42 2008 From: operator at coco3.com (Roger Taylor) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Gustuv In-Reply-To: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20080831021645.493B320A37@qs281.pair.com> The worst nightmare seems to be in progress again, folks. Let's all hope that Boisy and his family will stay safe and well during this unfortunate weather event. To those who aren't following the headlines, this hurricane is forcing another massive evacuation of millions of people. I can't speak for those who are from south La but the East Texas area did in fact get major side effects from the last two big hurricanes that hit the gulf... Katrina and Rita. Rita's oute r borders reached right into my area and caused quite a bit of damage although nothing compared to the damage done from the eye as it reached land and before it faded away, from either of those hurricanes. One huge side effect of these terrible hurricanes is that all the freeways and some major highways end up with bumper-to-bumper traffic for many hundreds of miles. In 2005 I drove into La to get my kids and bring them back to Texas but couldn't get back in time before I-20 was jam packed all the way through Dallas and beyond. I remember it taking about 6 hours to make a 2.5 hour trip. The Guard had shelters set up at the rest areas and they were all jammed... clothes, water, food, and other needs were brought in on pallets and dropped all over the place as buses and buses full of La folks arrived around the clock. I've never seen anything like it, but even that doesn't compare to what happened with those two 2005 hurricanes or what could happen during Gustuv. My city is in the late projected path but we're hoping the worst we get is flash flooding. Who knows. If it's a 4 or 5 when it hits the gulf and keeps its strength for long enough we'll be in a similar panic, although nothing like being near the coast. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 22:23:30 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Gustuv In-Reply-To: <20080831021645.493B320A37@qs281.pair.com> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> <20080831021645.493B320A37@qs281.pair.com> Message-ID: <200808302223.30448.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 30 August 2008, Roger Taylor wrote: >The worst nightmare seems to be in progress again, folks. Let's all >hope that Boisy and his family will stay safe and well during this >unfortunate weather event. > >To those who aren't following the headlines, this hurricane is >forcing another massive evacuation of millions of people. I can't >speak for those who are from south La but the East Texas area did in >fact get major side effects from the last two big hurricanes that hit >the gulf... Katrina and Rita. Rita's oute r borders reached right >into my area and caused quite a bit of damage although nothing >compared to the damage done from the eye as it reached land and >before it faded away, from either of those hurricanes. > >One huge side effect of these terrible hurricanes is that all the >freeways and some major highways end up with bumper-to-bumper traffic >for many hundreds of miles. In 2005 I drove into La to get my kids >and bring them back to Texas but couldn't get back in time before >I-20 was jam packed all the way through Dallas and beyond. I >remember it taking about 6 hours to make a 2.5 hour trip. The Guard >had shelters set up at the rest areas and they were all jammed... >clothes, water, food, and other needs were brought in on pallets and >dropped all over the place as buses and buses full of La folks >arrived around the clock. I've never seen anything like it, but even >that doesn't compare to what happened with those two 2005 hurricanes >or what could happen during Gustuv. > >My city is in the late projected path but we're hoping the worst we >get is flash flooding. Who knows. If it's a 4 or 5 when it hits the >gulf and keeps its strength for long enough we'll be in a similar >panic, although nothing like being near the coast. > Good luck Roger, although we are wishing that you will not need it, and that Gustav will wind down quickly when it runs out of hot water to feed it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) CONGRATULATIONS! Now should I make thinly veiled comments about DIGNITY, self-esteem and finding TRUE FUN in your RIGHT VENTRICLE?? From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Sat Aug 30 22:56:53 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:56:53 -0400 Subject: [Coco] new products - pre-announcement Message-ID: <1220151413.6006.38.camel@dev> Well folks, I've been busy doing rather than talking. Next week I'll be putting up a web site at http://www.retroengineering.com where I will display my newest creations, complete with schematics, layouts, theory of operation, data sheets for ICs used, software drivers, etc. They will be offered for sale (with warranties and support) for those who wish to buy them, but everyone will be welcome to build their own from the information on the site -- I will even give assistance as my schedule allows -- provided that you do not engage in profit-making from it. My intent is really to have some fun, provide a means for those without the requisite time, skills or equipment to get their hands on some of these things easily, and maybe make a few bucks to offset the investment of time and development costs. Four main I/O boards for the Coco are already on their way to the fab house and will be back by the end of September: 1. The COCO HDISK - nothing exciting, a simple hard disk controller. I will sell these as bundled systems for NitrOS-9 complete with hard drive in an external case, pre-installed with NitrOS-9. ROM on board boots NitrOS-9 from hard disk (no floppy required -- you can even leave the floppy drivers out of your cobbled NitrOS-9 build). Expected availability: Oct 1 2008. 2. The COCO FDC - this is my (revised) high-density no-halt floppy controller, for use with NitrOS-9. Boots NitrOS-9 from 3.5" high-density 1.44M floppy -- not for use with RS-DOS. Comes as a package with controller and 3.5" drive in external case. Expected availability: Oct 15 2008. (Note: I don't expect much interest in this, so the production run is small. I.e., a limited quantity will be available.) 3. The COCO SSP - this is a board with a 16C552 on it, essentially, two buffered (FIFO) UARTs and a PC-style parallel port for driving a printer or external EEPROM programmer, etc. With NitrOS-9 drivers and example machine code for use with RS-DOS. Expected availability: Oct 15 2008. (I will be employing this card to put up a two-user BBS on my "main" Coco. Internet-accessible through Cisco async magic.) and last, but not least, 4. The COCO NET - 10baseT ethernet for your CoCo. Yes, it's finally here. With sample software for NitrOS-9 and Microsoft BASIC, in the form of a simple web server and a TFTP client for transferring files over IP. If time allows I may write a full-blown stack for NitrOS-9; no promises. Expected availability: sometime in November. (This was the most time-consuming, not because the design was terribly difficult -- though it did have some gotchas -- but mostly because it had to be hand-routed to deal with trace matching and differential impedance considerations. It may not work out on the first spin, hence the vague date.) Stay tuned for more details -- I'll let you know when more information is available on retroengineering.com. (I'm just waiting for the significant-other to work her CSS magic. I don't do web. At least, not prettily.) Until then, feel free to drop me a line if something piques your interest, or if you have any comments. Go go gadget Coco, C. PS By the way, all of these, except for the high-density floppy controller, will work on Coco 1/2 as well. (The floppy controller will work, but only in double-density mode.) Most of these cards are infinitely more useful with a multi-pak, of course! And I have a few more things in the pipeline, but this is the initial line-up. From tonym at compusource.net Sat Aug 30 23:28:13 2008 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:28:13 GMT Subject: [Coco] Gustuv Message-ID: <200808302328504.SM01040@[63.69.23.239]> man, those of you in the danger zone, God-speed, and be prepared. I live in S. Florida, so I know ALL about it. Do NOT wait until the last minute to evacuate of prepare. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Gene Heskett gene.heskett at verizon.net Sent 8/30/2008 10:23:30 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] Gustuv On Saturday 30 August 2008, Roger Taylor wrote: The worst nightmare seems to be in progress again, folks. Let's all hope that Boisy and his family will stay safe and well during this unfortunate weather event. To those who aren't following the headlines, this hurricane is forcing another massive evacuation of millions of people. I can't speak for those who are from south La but the East Texas area did in fact get major side effects from the last two big hurricanes that hit the gulf... Katrina and Rita. Rita's oute r borders reached right into my area and caused quite a bit of damage although nothing compared to the damage done from the eye as it reached land and before it faded away, from either of those hurricanes. One huge side effect of these terrible hurricanes is that all the freeways and some major highways end up with bumper-to-bumper traffic for many hundreds of miles. In 2005 I drove into La to get my kids and bring them back to Texas but couldn't get back in time before I-20 was jam packed all the way through Dallas and beyond. I remember it taking about 6 hours to make a 2.5 hour trip. The Guard had shelters set up at the rest areas and they were all jammed... clothes, water, food, and other needs were brought in on pallets and dropped all over the place as buses and buses full of La folks arrived around the clock. I've never seen anything like it, but even that doesn't compare to what happened with those two 2005 hurricanes or what could happen during Gustuv. My city is in the late projected path but we're hoping the worst we get is flash flooding. Who knows. If it's a 4 or 5 when it hits the gulf and keeps its strength for long enough we'll be in a similar panic, although nothing like being near the coast. Good luck Roger, although we are wishing that you will not need it, and that Gustav will wind down quickly when it runs out of hot water to feed it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) CONGRATULATIONS! Now should I make thinly veiled comments about DIGNITY, self-esteem and finding TRUE FUN in your RIGHT VENTRICLE?? -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Sun Aug 31 00:00:35 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:00:35 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <200808302102.02592.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <083020082015.22145.48B9AA70000440A30000568122007614380B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808302102.02592.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6F2@fenestra.lamunet.local> > Remind me to never, under any circumstances, set foot in NJ. That > place needs > a plumb serious housecleaning with a "street sweeper", the one you > can't > muffle. Didja ever hear of a ballot box? Elect some folks who will > fix > that. Or are they (the ballot boxes) as defective as the schmucks in > office? > No one in their right minds would ever vote someone into office that > promised > to make life hell like that. > You'd think that, Gene, but the reality is that the system there is so corrupted and so many people are on the take that it really doesn't matter who gets elected. For the most part though the "mayor for life" concept is still fairly strong in the big cities. Sometimes I miss NJ but Ward keeps reminding me why I fled. It makes the "leaving NJ fee" seem worth every cent. We're pretty far off topic though :) From cappy2112 at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 00:15:11 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:15:11 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Fwd: MASTERING OS-9 On the Color Computer 3 In-Reply-To: <48B4AC05.1080307@att.net> References: <8249c4ac0808251347v6e3b1efepb75539d40152577f@mail.gmail.com> <48B48C4D.80107@att.net> <8249c4ac0808261717x615489dbn1ff5445ba28ac4c4@mail.gmail.com> <48B4AC05.1080307@att.net> Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808302115t4ad0c578h6f6facf6da619938@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have these (2??) disks in dsk format? I have the PDF from RTRSI but noit the disls themseleve s(unless they have been renamed to somethin not so obvious to me) It's ok with Frank to upload them . ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Frank Swygert Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM Subject: Re: MASTERING OS-9 On the Color Computer 3 To: cappy2112 at gmail.com Sure! If you find a set of the disks (I don't even remember if it was one or two!) you have permission to upload them to the list archive and RTSI or some other archive site. Just mention where to find the book and that the discs are still covered under copyright. I do give permission for them to be shared, just not to be sold or used in any profit making way. Tony Cappellini wrote: > > I have the book, I want to get the disks > I didn't see the disks on that archive. > > I'll ask around, if it's ok with you. > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Frank Swygert > wrote: > > I don'[t even have a master copy of the disk any more! The book is > available as a PDF file from the CoCoList archive site, look under > the "Farna" folder. > > > Tony Cappellini wrote: > > > Hello Frank, > > Do you still sell these disks? > If so, how much and how do I purchase them? > > It's been so many years since I worked with OS9, I should > probably start here. > > BTW- Do you know if these will work under Nitros9? > > Thanks > > > -- Frank Swygert > Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) > For all AMC enthusiasts > http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html > (free download available!) > > -- Frank Swygert Publisher, "American Motors Cars" Magazine (AMC) For all AMC enthusiasts http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html (free download available!) From jimcox at miba51.com Sun Aug 31 00:39:08 2008 From: jimcox at miba51.com (Jim Cox) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:39:08 -0700 Subject: [Coco] new products - pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <1220151413.6006.38.camel@dev> References: <1220151413.6006.38.camel@dev> Message-ID: <6c92f46c0808302139v70f7108cs11b217e7ed588e18@mail.gmail.com> Wow! Great going Chuck! -Jim Cox http://miba51.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Chuck Youse wrote: > Well folks, I've been busy doing rather than talking. Next week I'll be > putting up a web site at http://www.retroengineering.com where I will > display my newest creations, complete with schematics, layouts, theory > of operation, data sheets for ICs used, software drivers, etc. They > will be offered for sale (with warranties and support) for those who > wish to buy them, but everyone will be welcome to build their own from > the information on the site -- I will even give assistance as my > schedule allows -- provided that you do not engage in profit-making from > it. My intent is really to have some fun, provide a means for those > without the requisite time, skills or equipment to get their hands on > some of these things easily, and maybe make a few bucks to offset the > investment of time and development costs. > > Four main I/O boards for the Coco are already on their way to the fab > house and will be back by the end of September: > > 1. The COCO HDISK - nothing exciting, a simple hard disk controller. I > will sell these as bundled systems for NitrOS-9 complete with hard drive > in an external case, pre-installed with NitrOS-9. ROM on board boots > NitrOS-9 from hard disk (no floppy required -- you can even leave the > floppy drivers out of your cobbled NitrOS-9 build). Expected > availability: Oct 1 2008. > > 2. The COCO FDC - this is my (revised) high-density no-halt floppy > controller, for use with NitrOS-9. Boots NitrOS-9 from 3.5" > high-density 1.44M floppy -- not for use with RS-DOS. Comes as a > package with controller and 3.5" drive in external case. Expected > availability: Oct 15 2008. (Note: I don't expect much interest in this, > so the production run is small. I.e., a limited quantity will be > available.) > > 3. The COCO SSP - this is a board with a 16C552 on it, essentially, two > buffered (FIFO) UARTs and a PC-style parallel port for driving a printer > or external EEPROM programmer, etc. With NitrOS-9 drivers and example > machine code for use with RS-DOS. Expected availability: Oct 15 2008. > (I will be employing this card to put up a two-user BBS on my "main" > Coco. Internet-accessible through Cisco async magic.) > > and last, but not least, > > 4. The COCO NET - 10baseT ethernet for your CoCo. Yes, it's finally > here. With sample software for NitrOS-9 and Microsoft BASIC, in the > form of a simple web server and a TFTP client for transferring files > over IP. If time allows I may write a full-blown stack for NitrOS-9; no > promises. Expected availability: sometime in November. (This was the > most time-consuming, not because the design was terribly difficult -- > though it did have some gotchas -- but mostly because it had to be > hand-routed to deal with trace matching and differential impedance > considerations. It may not work out on the first spin, hence the vague > date.) > > Stay tuned for more details -- I'll let you know when more information > is available on retroengineering.com. (I'm just waiting for the > significant-other to work her CSS magic. I don't do web. At least, not > prettily.) Until then, feel free to drop me a line if something piques > your interest, or if you have any comments. > > Go go gadget Coco, > C. > > PS By the way, all of these, except for the high-density floppy > controller, will work on Coco 1/2 as well. (The floppy controller will > work, but only in double-density mode.) Most of these cards are > infinitely more useful with a multi-pak, of course! And I have a few > more things in the pipeline, but this is the initial line-up. > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Aug 31 04:35:04 2008 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:35:04 +0200 Subject: [Coco] new products - pre-announcement In-Reply-To: <1220151413.6006.38.camel@dev> References: <1220151413.6006.38.camel@dev> Message-ID: looking forward to the details... From johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 31 11:21:39 2008 From: johnadonaldson at sbcglobal.net (John Donaldson) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:21:39 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Gustuv In-Reply-To: <200808302328504.SM01040@[63.69.23.239]> References: <200808302328504.SM01040@[63.69.23.239]> Message-ID: <48BAB703.1030704@sbcglobal.net> I live up here in East Dallas and even we are getting prepared. Track is to come right near us. Enough energy will be left in the storm to create a lot of rain and flooding up here. The CAP squadrons have plans in effect to move all our airplanes north to Oklahoma. All the RACES and Ham Radio club are getting ready to support the storm. John Donaldson tonym wrote: >man, those of you in the danger zone, God-speed, and be prepared. >I live in S. Florida, so I know ALL about it. > >Do NOT wait until the last minute to evacuate of prepare. > >Tony > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gene Heskett gene.heskett at verizon.net >Sent 8/30/2008 10:23:30 PM >To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: Re: [Coco] Gustuv > >On Saturday 30 August 2008, Roger Taylor wrote: >The worst nightmare seems to be in progress again, folks. Let's all >hope that Boisy and his family will stay safe and well during this >unfortunate weather event. > >To those who aren't following the headlines, this hurricane is >forcing another massive evacuation of millions of people. I can't >speak for those who are from south La but the East Texas area did in >fact get major side effects from the last two big hurricanes that hit >the gulf... Katrina and Rita. Rita's oute r borders reached right >into my area and caused quite a bit of damage although nothing >compared to the damage done from the eye as it reached land and >before it faded away, from either of those hurricanes. > >One huge side effect of these terrible hurricanes is that all the >freeways and some major highways end up with bumper-to-bumper traffic >for many hundreds of miles. In 2005 I drove into La to get my kids >and bring them back to Texas but couldn't get back in time before >I-20 was jam packed all the way through Dallas and beyond. I >remember it taking about 6 hours to make a 2.5 hour trip. The Guard >had shelters set up at the rest areas and they were all jammed... >clothes, water, food, and other needs were brought in on pallets and >dropped all over the place as buses and buses full of La folks >arrived around the clock. I've never seen anything like it, but even >that doesn't compare to what happened with those two 2005 hurricanes >or what could happen during Gustuv. > >My city is in the late projected path but we're hoping the worst we >get is flash flooding. Who knows. If it's a 4 or 5 when it hits the >gulf and keeps its strength for long enough we'll be in a similar >panic, although nothing like being near the coast. > >Good luck Roger, although we are wishing that you will not need it, and that >Gustav will wind down quickly when it runs out of hot water to feed it. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > -- From Torsten at Dittel.info Sun Aug 31 14:08:54 2008 From: Torsten at Dittel.info (Torsten Dittel) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:08:54 +0200 Subject: [Coco] Gustuv In-Reply-To: <48BAB703.1030704@sbcglobal.net> References: <200808302328504.SM01040@[63.69.23.239]> <48BAB703.1030704@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Gosh, that's a monster: http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/?2008243-0830/Gustav.A2008243.1605.250m.jpg From daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 31 14:58:50 2008 From: daveekelly1 at embarqmail.com (Dave Kelly) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:58:50 -0500 Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration In-Reply-To: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48BAE9EA.8010703@embarqmail.com> Brian Goers wrote: > I would like some information about starting a web page. > I have a few questions. Like, what language to write it in if you are > not real good at programing, how to keep it secure. HTML seems to be the language of choice for most programmers. Start with what you will be doint the most of. I would go here for learning. usergroup: alt.html on the web: http://www.w3.org/ (more than you want to know, but invaluable ) http://www.alistapart.com/stories/betterliving/ (again too much ) > I will be writing it under Windows XP for now, soon under Linux. The CSS files and HTML files when validated on W3C will run on any platform regardless which platform they were created on. > Where to check for domain names, Whoever you register your domain name will not allow names to overlap. > how much is reasonable to pay. Depending on your needs, expect to pay between $75 to $200 a year. Be sure to check the storage space and bandwidth meet your needs. > Is there only one registry? Yes, but lots of resellers. > > Anything you want to tell me that I don't know about. We don't know what you don't know. And I have a hurricane in a couple days. Dave From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 17:17:48 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines Message-ID: <406062.52850.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an update to my ongoing coco archives project. This time it is Magazine Scans from the Year 1983. As previously out of respect for list members who do not want this information please e-mail me off list for the download links. If you missed my previous messages I have a CoCo Software Archive and a CoCo Documentation archive for download as well so if you need those links e-mail me off list as well indicating which ones you would like. ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** From lamune at doki-doki.net Sun Aug 31 19:10:16 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:10:16 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines In-Reply-To: <406062.52850.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <406062.52850.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6F5@fenestra.lamunet.local> Let me know where it's at! -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Derek > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:18 PM > To: CoCo List > Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines > > I have an update to my ongoing coco archives project. This time it is > Magazine Scans from the Year 1983. As previously out of respect for > list members who do not want this information please e-mail me off list > for the download links. > > If you missed my previous messages I have a CoCo Software Archive and a > CoCo Documentation archive for download as well so if you need those > links e-mail me off list as well indicating which ones you would like. > > > > > > > > ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** > > > > > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From lamune at doki-doki.net Sun Aug 31 19:11:55 2008 From: lamune at doki-doki.net (Mike Pepe) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:11:55 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines In-Reply-To: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6F5@fenestra.lamunet.local> References: <406062.52850.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6F5@fenestra.lamunet.local> Message-ID: <4C8EB9FD6963BD4C8BA6B0B60FE8E4DD01D6F6@fenestra.lamunet.local> Duh. Sorry listers > -----Original Message----- > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pepe > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:10 PM > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts > Subject: Re: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines > > Let me know where it's at! > > -Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco- > > bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Derek > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:18 PM > > To: CoCo List > > Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines > > > > I have an update to my ongoing coco archives project. This time it is > > Magazine Scans from the Year 1983. As previously out of respect for > > list members who do not want this information please e-mail me off > list > > for the download links. > > > > If you missed my previous messages I have a CoCo Software Archive and > a > > CoCo Documentation archive for download as well so if you need those > > links e-mail me off list as well indicating which ones you would > like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Mistrust Authority. Promote Decentralization ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Coco mailing list > > Coco at maltedmedia.com > > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From neilsmorr at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 19:06:15 2008 From: neilsmorr at gmail.com (Neil Morrison) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:06:15 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Heskett" > First, we kill all the lawyers.. No, just remove all licensing for them. A doctor has to decide in seconds what to do. What is the hurry with writing words on paper? They spend $100,000 or more for a 3 year course most agree teaches them nothing but makes the colleges rich. Then they have to spend more money to pass the bar exams. They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not all? From tonym at compusource.net Sun Aug 31 19:44:17 2008 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:44:17 GMT Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines Message-ID: <200808311944722.SM04100@[63.69.23.239]> >-----Original Message----- >From: Derek dml_68 at yahoo.com >Sent 8/31/2008 5:17:48 PM >To: CoCo List coco at maltedmedia.com >Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines > >I have an update to my ongoing coco archives project. This time it is Magazine Scans from the Year >1983. As previously out of respect for list members who do not want this information please e-mail me >off list for the download links. > >If you missed my previous messages I have a CoCo Software Archive and a CoCo Documentation >archive for download as well so if you need those links e-mail me off list as well indicating which ones >you would like. > Where are these downloads? Unfortunately, I lost my entire Rainbow and Hot CoCo collection a few years back in a hurricane, and I really can't afford to build it up again. Thanks! Tony From tonym at compusource.net Sun Aug 31 19:45:33 2008 From: tonym at compusource.net (tonym) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:45:33 GMT Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines Message-ID: <200808311945129.SM04100@[63.69.23.239]> Duh = sorry. I even COPIED his email addy! must be age catching up.... -----Original Message----- From: tonym tonym at compusource.net Sent 8/31/2008 7:44:17 PM To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: Re: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines -----Original Message----- From: Derek dml_68 at yahoo.com Sent 8/31/2008 5:17:48 PM To: CoCo List coco at maltedmedia.com Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives: 1983 Magazines I have an update to my ongoing coco archives project. This time it is Magazine Scans from the Year 1983. As previously out of respect for list members who do not want this information please e-mail me off list for the download links. If you missed my previous messages I have a CoCo Software Archive and a CoCo Documentation archive for download as well so if you need those links e-mail me off list as well indicating which ones you would like. Where are these downloads? Unfortunately, I lost my entire Rainbow and Hot CoCo collection a few years back in a hurricane, and I really can't afford to build it up again. Thanks! Tony -- Coco mailing list Coco at maltedmedia.com http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco From mdelyea at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 20:04:27 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:04:27 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808311704lce9f720gbb212bcb5e3553ab@mail.gmail.com> Lawyers are a self-perpetuating evil - we need lawyers to defend ourselves against lawyers. They like to use obfuscating language to conceal their real intent. Also they like to use Latin phrases to describe legal actions. How many of us are familiar enough with Latin to understand set cases? Here in Canada there was supposed to be legislation passed to make legalese into proper English (and French) so that the average person could understand what was going on. It doesn't seem to be happening (quel surprise). Luckily for me I was raised Catholic when everything was still in Latin and so I understand most. A bit of French also helps. I don't know if you guys in the U.S. have "voir dire" but you better bring your lawyer ( and then dispose of him/her). On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Neil Morrison wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Heskett" > >> First, we kill all the lawyers.. > > No, just remove all licensing for them. A doctor has to decide in seconds > what to do. What is the hurry with writing words on paper? > > They spend $100,000 or more for a 3 year course most agree teaches them > nothing but makes the colleges rich. Then they have to spend more money to > pass the bar exams. > > They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A > few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not > all? > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Sun Aug 31 20:22:45 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:22:45 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Question about Domain Names & Registration In-Reply-To: <48BAE9EA.8010703@embarqmail.com> References: <48B86DB8.2000606@sbcglobal.net> <48BAE9EA.8010703@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1220228565.6006.66.camel@dev> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 13:58 -0500, Dave Kelly wrote: > HTML seems to be the language of choice for most programmers. Start > with what you will be doint the most of. HTML is simply mark-up, it's not a programming language in any real sense. All presentation to browsers is HTML, for the most part; other languages can be run server side, but they generate HTML. There are exceptions for embedded items, e.g., Java apps and Flash, and there is provision for simple client-side crap a la Javascript. But they are encapsulated in HTML. > > Is there only one registry? > Yes, but lots of resellers. Not entirely correct. There are many registries as well as registrars. E.g., the registry for .org is run by an entirely different organization (PIR) than .net and .com (Verisign). It is further complicated by the fact that registrars will typically partner with other sellers who will rebrand. But only registrars are given access to registry APIs. And how do I know all this? I used to manage the network engineering group for Register.com, years ago, when they were a much bigger player. (They still handle at least 10% of the world's DNS traffic.) So I am all too familiar with the vicissitudes of DNS and domain registration.. C. From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Sun Aug 31 20:34:03 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:34:03 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80808311704lce9f720gbb212bcb5e3553ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <1b52e6c80808311704lce9f720gbb212bcb5e3553ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220229243.6006.76.camel@dev> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 20:04 -0400, mike delyea wrote: > A bit of French also helps. I don't know if you guys in the > U.S. have "voir dire" but you better bring your lawyer ( and then > dispose of him/her). Of course we do! We have juries like everyone else, the Constitution guarantees it.. but come to think of it, the Constitution also guarantees against unreasonable searches, and our right to bear arms, and due process, habeas corpus .... hmm, but the PATRIOT Act and other nonsense these days don't pay any attention to that. Funny how the folks in middle America are all pissed off and ready to hand over their rights in an attempt to ward off terrorism, all because of this World Trade Center thing. Meanwhile those of us in New York City (we were the ones violated, folks, and we still have a gaping hole in the ground and people with debilitating respiratory ailments as a result of that whole plane thing) are appalled at what the government is getting away with under the guise of protecting freedom. It's very Orwellian - give up our freedoms to protect freedom. Patrick Henry is rolling over in his grave. Disgusting. Oh my, I haven't even had anything to drink. Don't mind me. And by the way, French isn't ALL that useful. If you're using your French to discern the meaning of "voir dire," you've probably got it wrong ... At the least "voir" part.. ;) A bientot, C. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Aug 31 20:40:39 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:40:39 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> Message-ID: <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 31 August 2008, Neil Morrison wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Heskett" > >> First, we kill all the lawyers.. > >No, just remove all licensing for them. A doctor has to decide in seconds >what to do. What is the hurry with writing words on paper? > >They spend $100,000 or more for a 3 year course most agree teaches them >nothing but makes the colleges rich. Then they have to spend more money to >pass the bar exams. > Oh it teaches them alright, to ignore anything that resembles common sense that is. That is why I like my solution better, it has a small chance of being permanent. >They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A >few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not >all? > Good question... One I don't have a ready answer for. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A Smith & Wesson beats four aces. From dml_68 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 20:42:42 2008 From: dml_68 at yahoo.com (Derek) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Coco] Updated Download Archives In-Reply-To: <406062.52850.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <570071.99997.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Every couple of weeks I will be adding more to the archives so it will be an ongoing project. Right Now I have 4 more years of magazines to get uploaded and archive updates as software and documents continue to get sent to me. If folks have anything they want added to the archives contact me off list so I can get it from you and then I will host it and post in future updates. Anyone sending me anything remains anonymous. Its just me organizing whats out there hosting and posting it for the coco community. I am doing this because I care about preserving all this unique information and I promise to keep all direct links to the archives postings off the e-mail list. I would ask those that get the links from me respect this policy and do not post links to the e-mail list. Thank you and I hope folks are enjoying the archives so far. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Aug 31 20:45:59 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1220229243.6006.76.camel@dev> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <1b52e6c80808311704lce9f720gbb212bcb5e3553ab@mail.gmail.com> <1220229243.6006.76.camel@dev> Message-ID: <200808312045.59924.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 31 August 2008, Chuck Youse wrote: >On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 20:04 -0400, mike delyea wrote: >> A bit of French also helps. I don't know if you guys in the >> U.S. have "voir dire" but you better bring your lawyer ( and then >> dispose of him/her). > >Of course we do! We have juries like everyone else, the Constitution >guarantees it.. but come to think of it, the Constitution also >guarantees against unreasonable searches, and our right to bear arms, >and due process, habeas corpus .... hmm, but the PATRIOT Act and other >nonsense these days don't pay any attention to that. > >Funny how the folks in middle America are all pissed off and ready to >hand over their rights in an attempt to ward off terrorism, all because >of this World Trade Center thing. Meanwhile those of us in New York >City (we were the ones violated, folks, and we still have a gaping hole >in the ground and people with debilitating respiratory ailments as a >result of that whole plane thing) are appalled at what the government is >getting away with under the guise of protecting freedom. It's very >Orwellian - give up our freedoms to protect freedom. Patrick Henry is >rolling over in his grave. Disgusting. I hear they are going to dig up all the founders and put coils around the caskets, so they can generate electricity when they start spinning. It should solve our energy shortage. >Oh my, I haven't even had anything to drink. Don't mind me. > And why not? >And by the way, French isn't ALL that useful. If you're using your >French to discern the meaning of "voir dire," you've probably got it >wrong ... At the least "voir" part.. ;) > >A bientot, >C. > > > >-- >Coco mailing list >Coco at maltedmedia.com >http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) People who have what they want are very fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they don't want it. -- Ogden Nash From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Sun Aug 31 20:46:42 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:46:42 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1220230002.6006.81.camel@dev> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 20:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A > >few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not > >all? > > > Good question... One I don't have a ready answer for. Because for the most part, bar associations are elitist clubs. I have a bunch of friends who are lawyers (I've mentioned before, it's a generation Y thing to do), have you ever seen the admission process? It's an anal probing of the highest order. And they really have no governmental oversight; they can make up any rules they feel are appropriate, e.g., requiring someone have a JD from an accredited institution before being allowed to sit the Bar exams.. C. From mdelyea at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 20:47:05 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:47:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> The name Norman-French is sometimes used to describe not only the modern Norman language, but also the administrative languages of Anglo-Norman and Law French used in England. ETYMOLOGY: Voir Dire - Anglo-Norman, to speak the truth On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 31 August 2008, Neil Morrison wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Gene Heskett" >> >>> First, we kill all the lawyers.. >> >>No, just remove all licensing for them. A doctor has to decide in seconds >>what to do. What is the hurry with writing words on paper? >> >>They spend $100,000 or more for a 3 year course most agree teaches them >>nothing but makes the colleges rich. Then they have to spend more money to >>pass the bar exams. >> > Oh it teaches them alright, to ignore anything that resembles common sense > that is. That is why I like my solution better, it has a small chance of > being permanent. > >>They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A >>few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not >>all? >> > Good question... One I don't have a ready answer for. > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > A Smith & Wesson beats four aces. > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Sun Aug 31 21:00:20 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220230820.6006.90.camel@dev> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 20:47 -0400, mike delyea wrote: > The name Norman-French is sometimes used to describe not only the > modern Norman language, but also the administrative languages of > Anglo-Norman and Law French used in England. > > ETYMOLOGY: > Voir Dire - Anglo-Norman, to speak the truth Indeed, but my point was that "voir" in modern French means "to see", not "truth". As such most French speakers are inclined to misinterpret the phrase. But yes, our legal system in the US is based on British common law just as the Canadian one is, and juries here are subjected to voir dire during the selection process. Though whether juries are comprised of "peers" is often a subject of debate - the common wisdom (in THIS country anyway) is that jurors are people too stupid to dodge jury duty. :) C. From snhirsch at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 21:05:36 2008 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow mags Message-ID: Hi, I just picked up my first Coco last Friday. The person I bought it from had an almost complete set of Rainbow magazines back to day one. I passed on it due to lack of space and interest. Are these actually sought after? I would have thought they'd long been scanned and made available as PDF. Steve -- From mdelyea at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 21:07:10 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:07:10 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808311807he1a6bd1m1e72adc5e54a82a4@mail.gmail.com> Its fairly easy to tell Latin constructed words from French constructed words (or Spanish, or Italian or Portugese). Also, there's a big difference between Quebecois French and Parisien French. The continental Froggies think our Froggies are hicks. On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:47 PM, mike delyea wrote: > The name Norman-French is sometimes used to describe not only the > modern Norman language, but also the administrative languages of > Anglo-Norman and Law French used in England. > > ETYMOLOGY: > Voir Dire - Anglo-Norman, to speak the truth > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 31 August 2008, Neil Morrison wrote: >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Gene Heskett" >>> >>>> First, we kill all the lawyers.. >>> >>>No, just remove all licensing for them. A doctor has to decide in seconds >>>what to do. What is the hurry with writing words on paper? >>> >>>They spend $100,000 or more for a 3 year course most agree teaches them >>>nothing but makes the colleges rich. Then they have to spend more money to >>>pass the bar exams. >>> >> Oh it teaches them alright, to ignore anything that resembles common sense >> that is. That is why I like my solution better, it has a small chance of >> being permanent. >> >>>They learn by doing, so an apprenticeship system would work much better. A >>>few states still allow you to challenge the exam with no school - why not >>>all? >>> >> Good question... One I don't have a ready answer for. >> >> -- >> Cheers, Gene >> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> A Smith & Wesson beats four aces. >> >> -- >> Coco mailing list >> Coco at maltedmedia.com >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco >> > From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Sun Aug 31 21:07:40 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow mags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1220231260.6006.92.camel@dev> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 21:05 -0400, Steven Hirsch wrote: > Hi, > > I just picked up my first Coco last Friday. The person I bought it from > had an almost complete set of Rainbow magazines back to day one. > > I passed on it due to lack of space and interest. Are these actually > sought after? I would have thought they'd long been scanned and made > available as PDF. > Dude, you must have just joined the list. You missed a big pissing match on just that topic.. If the magazines are still available, go get 'em and read 'em. They're a great source of info on the Coco. C. From mdelyea at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 21:11:33 2008 From: mdelyea at gmail.com (mike delyea) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:11:33 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Rainbow mags In-Reply-To: <1220231260.6006.92.camel@dev> References: <1220231260.6006.92.camel@dev> Message-ID: <1b52e6c80808311811s1efceacfi3c2bf6dd196e39b8@mail.gmail.com> Chuck is absolutely right on that subject! Luckily I got my issues from a kind soul on http://www.coco3.com/ (cough- jim - cough -hickle-cough, cough). On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Chuck Youse wrote: > On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 21:05 -0400, Steven Hirsch wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just picked up my first Coco last Friday. The person I bought it from >> had an almost complete set of Rainbow magazines back to day one. >> >> I passed on it due to lack of space and interest. Are these actually >> sought after? I would have thought they'd long been scanned and made >> available as PDF. >> > > Dude, you must have just joined the list. You missed a big pissing > match on just that topic.. > > If the magazines are still available, go get 'em and read 'em. They're > a great source of info on the Coco. > > C. > > > > -- > Coco mailing list > Coco at maltedmedia.com > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco > From cyouse at serialtechnologies.com Sun Aug 31 21:15:05 2008 From: cyouse at serialtechnologies.com (Chuck Youse) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:15:05 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1b52e6c80808311807he1a6bd1m1e72adc5e54a82a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> <1b52e6c80808311807he1a6bd1m1e72adc5e54a82a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 21:07 -0400, mike delyea wrote: > Its fairly easy to tell Latin constructed words from French > constructed words (or Spanish, or Italian or Portugese). Also, > there's a big difference between Quebecois French and Parisien French. > The continental Froggies think our Froggies are hicks. At least the Quebecois have nifty words like "novante". Who the hell has enough air for "quatre vingt dix"? Four score? The only "four score" I want in my life involves four naked women. Hmm, I think we've drifted off topic. I think I'm going to help Gene with that new renewable energy idea of his. C. From snhirsch at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 21:31:03 2008 From: snhirsch at gmail.com (Steven Hirsch) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Coco] Rainbow mags In-Reply-To: <1220231260.6006.92.camel@dev> References: <1220231260.6006.92.camel@dev> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Aug 2008, Chuck Youse wrote: > On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 21:05 -0400, Steven Hirsch wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just picked up my first Coco last Friday. The person I bought it from >> had an almost complete set of Rainbow magazines back to day one. >> >> I passed on it due to lack of space and interest. Are these actually >> sought after? I would have thought they'd long been scanned and made >> available as PDF. >> > > Dude, you must have just joined the list. You missed a big pissing > match on just that topic.. Good. Hopefully that's not the norm here, nothing makes me loose interest quicker than childish behavior online. > If the magazines are still available, go get 'em and read 'em. They're > a great source of info on the Coco. I really don't have space for them, unfortunately. If anyone on the list lives in Vermont get in touch with me privately and I'll give you the name of the owner. I'm bulging at the seams with classic computer gear of all sorts, and one of the first things I'm clearing out / avoiding is accumulating paper publications. I did take a full set of CFDM newsletters since they don't occupy much space. Lively community from what I could gather, but sort of on the decline in the late 90s (newest publication date I saw). My interests run to any classic machines that are not PCs (although the original PC and XT are sort of campy if you can find one in clean condition). I have: - Atari 800 - Atari 800XL - C64 - C64D - C128 - C128D - Coco 3 - Amiga 2000 - Amiga 1200 - Amiga 4000 - TI 99/4 - Heath H11 - Heath H8 - Heath H89 - TRS-80 Original - TRS-80 MkIII - DEC VT180 - Osborne I - Kaypro 10 - Apple /// - Apple ///+ - Corvus Concept - Dimension 2000 - Mindset Most with disk drives and good assortment of add-ons, software and manuals. More Apple II and IIGS computers and parts than are even possible to list (used to do commercial development for these in the mid-80s). Didn't want to list my Unix workstation collection, since it's not really all classic gear. The Coco is a welcome addition and I was luck enough to pickup a couple of them in very clean shape. Steve -- From kevdig at hypersurf.com Sun Aug 31 22:00:24 2008 From: kevdig at hypersurf.com (Kevin Diggs) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:00:24 -0700 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> <1b52e6c80808311807he1a6bd1m1e72adc5e54a82a4@mail.gmail.com> <1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev> Message-ID: <48BB4CB7.300@hypersurf.com> Chuck Youse wrote: > > Hmm, I think we've drifted off topic. I think I'm going to help Gene > with that new renewable energy idea of his. > Since Gene opened this can of worms, anyone have any comments on this T. Boone Pickens and his energy plan? How much natural gas do we have? kevin > C. > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Aug 31 22:44:40 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:44:40 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <48BB4CB7.300@hypersurf.com> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev> <48BB4CB7.300@hypersurf.com> Message-ID: <200808312244.40860.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 31 August 2008, Kevin Diggs wrote: >Chuck Youse wrote: >> Hmm, I think we've drifted off topic. I think I'm going to help Gene >> with that new renewable energy idea of his. > >Since Gene opened this can of worms, anyone have any comments on this >T. Boone Pickens and his energy plan? How much natural gas do we have? > I am with Pickens, we need non-carbon based energy sources, be they solar or wind, I'm not at all picky. In re natural gas, I'll go out on a long persimmon limb and say that we have at least 500 years worth yet. But its deeper than most exploration financiers want to take a chance on. I'm reminded of a gambler in Oklahoma, who on his own dimes, drilled a hole just short of 50,000 feet deep when it came in, at a cost of several dozens of millions of dollars at 20 year ago's prices when he did it. But it only took them a few hours to get it capped and hooked up to the pipelines. That well may still be producing for all I know, but when it was hooked up, that hole paid for itself in 3 days! Here in WV we have gas in almost every front yard, and while I haven't heard any 'official' statistics, I've been told the average hole is less than 3k feet and 7k feet is about as far as they have drilled. Some of the water wells have enough gas in the water they have to run it into a standpipe or high tank & let it vent for a few hours before it could be called potable water. So the gas is down there, all we need to do is drill. With the current high energy prices, gas exploration is back in high gear here, with well rigs at work in higher numbers than anytime in the last 30 years. One local machine shop, a father son setup, was building about a rig a year 10 years ago & rebuilding maybe 1 more, has scratch built 3 so far this year and is booked solid for at least the next 3 years. The father "Doc" is now 78 and was somewhat insulted when I asked him when he was going to retire last spring, saying he wasn't old enough yet. I do know that if there is a bluegrass jam session, Doc will be there, and someone will be nearby with a fire extinguisher, cuz Doc can start a fire on his Mandolin's fret board. He has sat in with Flatt & Scruggs back in their day, and more recently with Ricky Skaggs, the best living picker of our time. He truly can 'make a joyful noise', and did so in my back porch for several hours one summer evening about 6 years ago. I felt blessed, as did the neighbors who came walking in with their own lawn chairs. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Microbiology Lab: Staph Only! From benbleau at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 23:09:29 2008 From: benbleau at gmail.com (Benoit Bleau) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:09:29 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> <1b52e6c80808311807he1a6bd1m1e72adc5e54a82a4@mail.gmail.com> <1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev> Message-ID: <48BB5CE9.6020805@gmail.com> Chuck Youse wrote: > On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 21:07 -0400, mike delyea wrote: > >> Its fairly easy to tell Latin constructed words from French >> constructed words (or Spanish, or Italian or Portugese). Also, >> there's a big difference between Quebecois French and Parisien French. >> The continental Froggies think our Froggies are hicks. >> Being from Quebec, I can tell you that for sure, Quebecois French is different from Parisien French. They use a lot more frenglish than we do (english words pronounced ?l? french.... that sounds totally horrible). > At least the Quebecois have nifty words like "novante". Who the hell > has enough air for "quatre vingt dix"? Four score? The only "four > score" I want in my life involves four naked women. > > Nope, we use quatre vingt dix. The Belgians use "nonante" . > Hmm, I think we've drifted off topic. I think I'm going to help Gene > with that new renewable energy idea of his. > > > Totally :) -Benoit From os9dude at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 23:19:49 2008 From: os9dude at gmail.com (Rogelio Perea) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:19:49 -0400 Subject: [Coco] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <48BB5CE9.6020805@gmail.com> References: <083020081524.8520.48B9663C000B07890000214822068246930B9DCC090B99@comcast.net> <200808301246.08781.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1A147478FE0E446090D9B80FC363B298@NewBaby> <200808312040.39766.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1b52e6c80808311747i1949825fi69fb4b51a7f9cb6f@mail.gmail.com> <1b52e6c80808311807he1a6bd1m1e72adc5e54a82a4@mail.gmail.com> <1220231705.6006.99.camel@dev> <48BB5CE9.6020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5631e580808312019u216a45abib6f4e90211bc2cd5@mail.gmail.com> 'frenglish'... probably as hideous as 'Spanglish', the dialect spoken along the shared border USA / Mexico - either side :-) Keeping thing in topic, at least the CoCo clones marketed in Mexico were done preserving the BASIC keywords in English. I had seen very bad attempts at putting out a literal Spanish version of Basic for schooling purposes (never for the CoCo though) - only the RSDOS bootup legend had something noted in Spanish but that was it. -=[ Rogelio ]=- On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Benoit Bleau wrote: > Being from Quebec, I can tell you that for sure, Quebecois French is > different from Parisien French. They use a lot more frenglish than we do > (english words pronounced ?l? french.... that sounds totally horrible). >