[Coco] NitrOS-9 Web Site

[Boisy Pitre]

On Jan 29, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

>

> no No NO please no Boisy, the reasons are numerous indeed starting  

> with a

> lack of WORKING uptime and availability.  I have personally fought  

> with

> sourceforge's cvs for as long as 3 days before I was able to to do  

> a cvs

> up -dP on the emc2 code base.  Even the mailing list is spotty,  

> I've had

> 4 messages in a row just fall into a black hole instead of being  

> relayed

> to the other list subscribers or back to me.  When Nitros9 was on

> sourceforge before, I was only able to gain access once, the rest  

> of the

> time it couldn't find my password or my key.  One of the reasons I  

> gave

> up trying.


Gene,

I cannot believe SF is this bad.  Granted, I don't use it that much  
lately, but it hosts a myriad of open source projects; however, it  
worked well for me before when we used it to host other projects.   
I've never had issues with SF.  The ONLY downside that I see with  
using it as a host for NitrOS-9 and ToolShed is that I don't have  
direct access to the repository to make structural changes.  Those  
requests must be submitted and acted upon by someone else.


> Sourceforge has much bigger eyes than stomach and they have not  

> scaled up

> the hardware to match the traffic.  Several projects have been  

> moved off

> it in the last year because the developers got tired of no access for

> hours or days at a time.  emc being one, has moved to linuxcnc.com,

> maintained by Sherline, one of the companies whose dog is in that  

> fight

> and its a much better environment.  3 days to do an update on HEAD at

> sourceforge vs a minute:30 or so since they've moved to the sherline

> site. list postings come back on my next mail suck, 90 seconds.  emc2

> development is now progressing at at least 100 times its former  

> speeds,

> with the core coders often submitting a combined total of 50 to nearly

> 100 patches a day.  I get an automaticly generated email for every  

> patch

> submitted so its easy to count.


Given the S-L-O-W pace of NitrOS-9 development, I don't think that  
this is going to matter much.  Honestly, I am pretty much the only  
person who does anything on the project anymore, and even that's  
become a rare event.  I would be more inclined to give pause if there  
were dozens of active developers on this project, but that is  
certainly not the case.


> If sourceforge would get some bigger iron hardware, and more of  

> them so it

> could scale up to the level of participation and still function I

> wouldn't have any problems, but I've always had a feeling of impending

> doom simply because in the open source arena, they represent the  

> single

> biggest point of failure on the planet.

>

> There has got to be a better way, even if we have to look at  

> commercials

> while accessing it.

.
I'll give you the bottom line on this: my time is being increasingly  
consumed by other commitments.  SF has all of the tools for source  
control and project collaboration, it's free, and has a large  
exposure.  I'm not taking the time to set up a mail server, CVS  
server, bug reporting, and then maintaining them all.  No way.  The  
less of my time this eats up, the better.  So SF it is.

I got an email from Alan this morning -- he's in France looking for  
housing.  His server is down and the guy who's keeping it going for  
him is out of touch.  As soon as that can be rectified, I will get  
the CVS repositories off there and have the placed on SF.