[Coco] OT: Vista and MS patent application, Linux

Sun Feb 4 10:51:56 EST 2007

I agree with everything you said. I've been using Mandriva Linux Power Pack 2007 for some time. While not having all of the GUI enhancements Vista does, it has MANY improvements, and runs well on a much less powerful machine than Vista requires.

Brian

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From: "farna at att.net" <farna at att.net>
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2007 10:37:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Vista and MS patent application, Linux

Because of the compatibility, pricing, and hardware issues, my next upgrade will likely be to Linux. I've been meaning to play with a Simply MEPIS or FreeSpire installation for a while now, but haven't found the time. Took the time to work on trying to get a CoCo3 emulator working on my old laptop yesterday instead -- priorities! 

Pricing has been a problem to me with all the MS stuff from the start. They sell enough copies that pricing could be substantially lower and they'd STILL make one heck of a profit -- partially because there would be fewer pirated copies with a more reasonable price. I don't think anyone should work for free or pennies, but that's hardly the case here! It's not like they don't have the OS market wrapped up either, regardless of the failure of the government anti-trust law suit results. One big player and a few strugglers is still pretty much a monopoly. The worst thing is MS tries to compete across the board, not just in the OS field. I have no problem with Windows being packaged with basic to mid level tools to get someone started right out of the box. It's great that you can buy Windows and be able to at least get by without buying a lot of additional software like back in "the old days" when you had to buy a disk defragmenter, telecom program, etc., just to be able to use
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puter. But to package in such a way as to eliminate competition is borderline criminal, and no help. IMHO the full version of Internet Explorer should be an add-on, giving people more incentive to consider what to spend their money on rather than keeping what was provided. I'm sure many would disagree, but tings like that is one reason the price is so high, and security is an issue. If 80% of Windows users also use IE, what would you target if you were inclined to write a virus? If there was a greater spread, browsers would be a little more secure. MS just goes after every somewhat successful competitor in a crushing wave. Redmond can afford to lose money on one or two products for several years while they bleed the competition out, then up the prices. Smaller companies can't. IMHO MS should have been broke up into divisions with specific items (such as IE) split off to encourage a bit of competition in some areas. 

I have to agree with one thing -- we (computer users in general) are so entrenched in Windows now that it would be detrimental to the computer industry to makie Windows a totally open environment. Everyone touts the openness of Linux as a strong point, and it is to a degree, but there are so many distributions that work differently that there is no stable base or standard. There needs to be a *COMPLETE* standard installation that will work for the average computer *USER* that will simply load and run similar to Windows. *THEN* there can be custom distros subtracting and adding to that, NOT the core kernal. 

When there's something I can buy or download and install, then expect it to work with 90% of the software and peripherals I buy without a lot of tweaking and fiddling with settings from a command line, then Linux will take it's place BESIDE windows as a real alternative. But did you catch what Clifford said about his new job with MS, working with Linux/UNIX guys? MS is moving on Linux, I think, because Linux is starting to become something that can eventually be a real competitor. That's there modis operandi -- when something looks like real competition, beat it out or buy it. Linux can't be bought out, so it must be beaten down. 

Might have something to do with the patent application for a modular operating system... like Linux... If MS gets a US patent, that could be a problem. Even if it's not a full patent, but just grants exclusivity to some portions or ideas about a modular system, MS will viciously protect it. They don't have to be right, or to win. They just have ot have enough of a "foot in the door" to have a viable suspicion to claim infringement to get a court order to "cease and desist" then take a small company to court. That will be enough. MS pockets are deep enough to drag a case out long enough to bankrupt the competition, or prevent anyone from even trying to compete for fear of being dragged through court. That's a typical big business practice. There are law firms who have purchased older patents simply to go after infringers that the orignal holder couldn't afford to take to court. We'll have to wait and see what happens here...

The hardware requirements for Vista are way up there. The first articles I read were from PC Magazine, and the writer was obviously a "power user" (I figured that out later!) who just had to have the latest and greatest. His recommendations to "get the most out of Vista" were way up there! I just built two mid level computers. No dual core processors, but bought motherboards capable of supporting dual cores for a later upgrade. There's no way either would run Vista according to that clown! Then Vista was released, and I saw the minimum recommended hardware. That was more like it. I've got more than the minimum, but nowhere near what was recommended to "get the most" out of it. Even to run Aero you don't have to have a dual core processor, but do have to have a graphics card that's on the low side of high end ($150+). Not too unreasonable like the article indicated -- dual core a must, and $200+ graphics cards. 

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:37:36 -0600
From: "Roger Taylor" <operator at coco3.com>

To those who've upgraded to Windows Vista...

The Rainbow IDE and M.E.S.S. emulator system seem to work great.  You should
be able to upgrade to Vista and continue your IDE projects as usual, but
with a better experience.

Btw, Vista rocks like no other, but we're in the early compatibility problem
stage.  Get the Home Premium or above version to experience the Aero window
effects.  There's a 3-D flip window mode that shows you a 3-D stacked view
of all open programs and you can see those programs running in the 3-D view,
even the CoCo window in M.E.S.S.  Also, the program preview thumbnails that
pop up when you hover over the taskbar is excellent, and the blurred glass
effect that shows portions of any underlying windows or the desktop is
pretty cool.  The gadget sidebar feature is nice and I plan to make some
Rainbow IDE gadgets that can be installed automatically from the IDE, such
as a mini programmer's calc, and M.E.S.S. emulator tools.  This kind of
feature will allow portions of the Rainbow IDE to appear on the sidebar of
Vista so they are always visible if you like.

If I can give my 2 cents about Vista, to get the best deal, buy a new
computer/laptop with Vista on it, since the price alone of the upper
versions of the OS is ridiculous considering it has compatibility issues
with a great number of software titles (at this time).  This was a problem
with XP as well and it can literally stop you in your tracks if you run a
business or do a lot of work from home.  Luckily, some versions of Vista
come with complete multimedia solutions like DVD making/burning, which I
will have to convert the CoCo TV project to soon.  Vista and Nero don't mix
at this point unless you upgrade Nero for a cost.

So far, the IDEs that I use for all of my development work well under Vista
with no changes required.

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