[Coco] Re: Coco Digest, Vol 33, Issue 36

Mon May 8 21:55:19 EDT 2006

I got to play with a Burroughs B1900 Mainframe at a bank in Hemingway,  TN about 2 months ago.  I can email a pic if you request  (rrivey at yahoo.com).  It was working 5 years ago when they changed  banking systems.  It has twin 8mhz processors, with the standalone  reel to reel tape drives and the Drop in disc platters (65 meg apiece).
  Got to play a cool game of Cave Adventure on it.   Funny  playing a text based game on a half-mill (in its day) machine.   They are thinking about selling it.  I could put an interested  party in touch with the bank if anyone is interested.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing (James Jones)
   2. Re: OT: Has anyone worked with "big iron" sysems (Jim Cox)
   3. Re: OT: Has anyone worked with "big iron" sysems (Frank Pittel)
   4. Re: OT: Has anyone worked with "big iron" sysems (James Jones)
   5. Re: Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing (John Hogerhuis)
   6. Re: Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing (Roger Taylor)
   7. Re: Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing (Roger Taylor)
   8. [Color Computer] [Coco] Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing
      (James Diffendaffer)
   9. Re: OT: Has anyone worked with "big iron" sysems (Rod Barnhart)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 17:43:35 -0500
From: James Jones 
Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
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Roger Taylor wrote:
> CoCo and vintage developers... I need your feedback and suggestions, and 
> if you buy the IDE you can request features to be added.

I'd cheerfully buy a copy ASAP (which operationally means once the next 
paycheck comes in), if there were a version for Linux, or if you could 
confirm that it will run as well under WINE as it will on Windows. (I 
commend http://www.wxwidgets.org/ to the attention of people writing 
CoCo emulators and IDEs.)

 James

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:44:36 -0700
From: "Jim Cox" 
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Has anyone worked with "big iron" sysems
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
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The large main frames from the good ole days

On Mon, 8 May 2006 18:31:53 -0500
  Frank Pittel  wrote:
> 
> It depends on what you mean by "big iron".
> 
>Frank
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 03:27:33PM -0700, Jim Cox wrote:
>> I'm curious to know if anyone on this list has worked 
>>with 
>> so-called "big iron" systmes.
>> 
>> If so, I'm interested in reading about your experiences. 
>> Don't know if you want to share with the list or not.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -Jim
>> 
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:51:20 -0500
From: Frank Pittel 
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Has anyone worked with "big iron" sysems
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
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Jim,

Thanks for the clarification. I also think of "big iron"
as meaning mainframe. These days in the land of pc's being
referred to as "servers" more then a few of the pc types have
referred to the Sun servers I work with as being "big iron".

Frank

On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 03:44:36PM -0700, Jim Cox wrote:
> The large main frames from the good ole days
> 
> On Mon, 8 May 2006 18:31:53 -0500
>  Frank Pittel  wrote:
> >
> >It depends on what you mean by "big iron".
> >
> >Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 03:27:33PM -0700, Jim Cox wrote:
> >>I'm curious to know if anyone on this list has worked 
> >>with 
> >>so-called "big iron" systmes.
> >>
> >>If so, I'm interested in reading about your experiences. 
> >>Don't know if you want to share with the list or not.
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >>-Jim
> >>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:03:10 -0500
From: James Jones 
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Has anyone worked with "big iron" sysems
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
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Jim Cox wrote:
> The large main frames from the good ole days
> 

I did a little bit in my senior year in high school (1972-1973) and in 
college  (1973-1979), though I tried to avoid JCL to the maximum 
possible extent. Send me email directly with specific questions, and I 
might be able to dredge up some recollections. No need to give the list 
gratuitous off-topic nightmares with things like

//STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14

right? :)

 James

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:19:14 -0700
From: "John Hogerhuis" 
Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" 
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Other popular portability toolkits include FLTK and GTK.

I would expect Roger's stuff to work quite well under Wine though
since he programs right against the Win32 API for the most part (as
opposed to using a lot of libraries which may or may not be supported
well under WINE).

-- John.

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:31:12 -0500
From: Roger Taylor 
Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
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At 05:43 PM 5/8/2006, you wrote:
>Roger Taylor wrote:
>>CoCo and vintage developers... I need your feedback and suggestions, and 
>>if you buy the IDE you can request features to be added.
>
>I'd cheerfully buy a copy ASAP (which operationally means once the next 
>paycheck comes in), if there were a version for Linux, or if you could 
>confirm that it will run as well under WINE as it will on Windows. (I 
>commend http://www.wxwidgets.org/ to the attention of people writing CoCo 
>emulators and IDEs.)
>
>         James

Unfortunately, I don't use WINE so I can't confirm anything there.  Why not 
give it a try?  You can download Rainbow from www.rainbowide.com.

Let me know.

-- 
Roger Taylor

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:40:08 -0500
From: Roger Taylor 
Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060508183231.045845d8 at mail.coco3.com>
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At 06:19 PM 5/8/2006, you wrote:
>Other popular portability toolkits include FLTK and GTK.
>
>I would expect Roger's stuff to work quite well under Wine though
>since he programs right against the Win32 API for the most part (as
>opposed to using a lot of libraries which may or may not be supported
>well under WINE).
>
>-- John.

Most Windows and STDLIB libraries that have functions that call on the 
Windows API are just using simple "wrapper" code that take and pass the 
parameters in a different way, sometimes with more or less parameters 
needed, and returning different values or data, etc.

WINE shouldn't wine about this at all.  :)  Ofcourse, the accuracy that 
WINE emulates Windows is all in how accurate it emulates the Windows API 
and how accurate all of the Win32 constants are.  If just one bit in one 
byte in thousands of Win32 constants is wrong, the entire Windows program 
could crash or not run.

I'm sure a lot of software vendors have taken the heat because of the 
growing pains of WINE, whatcha bet?

-- 
Roger Taylor

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:57:37 -0000
From: "James Diffendaffer" 
Subject: [Color Computer] [Coco] Rainbow IDE and free CoCo drawing
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
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>Hello gang,
>
>The Rainbow IDE is coming along well now and I'm getting ready to start 
>adding compilers and linkers!  Yes, finally.  This is only the start of 
>even better things to come.

>Version 1.4 adds the OmniFlop program to the Tools menu so you can have 
>access to that program (included) for reading/writing/formatting CoCo
>disks 
>from Windows (even XP).  I'm doing it and it works great, especially
>using 
>3.5" disks which many CoCo users have started using now.
>
>CoCo and vintage developers... I need your feedback and suggestions,
>and if you buy the IDE you can request features to be added.

I was using a free open source IDE but since my regular dev box is
down I thought I'd give Rainbow IDE a shot.
It looks pretty good and the ability to build disk images that easily
is really nice.  There a few things that are holding me back from
registering for the moment.

1. Can I have it build multiple disk images from one build?  Several
of the things I've worked on require multiple floppies and I need to
be able to put same files on 1 disk and others on all disks.
2. The width of the editing area isn't as wide as I like.
3. I prefer to use some of the 6800 instructions such as DEX
(translates to LEAX  -1,X) and your code highlighting does not support
this.  I just find it a little easier to read that way. 
4. I'm not sure what integration it will offer with C compilers.
5. The installer you used says you are using an unregistered copy.  If
you don't register... why should we?

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:08:24 -0400
From: "Rod Barnhart" 
Subject: Re: [Coco] OT: Has anyone worked with "big iron" sysems
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" 
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Closest I've come is a VAX running VMS. However, it was linked to a college
mainframe, so that might count ;) Unfortunately, that was back when I was in
high school, so those memories are a bit fuzzy at this point.

Rod

On 5/8/06, Jim Cox  wrote:
>
> I'm curious to know if anyone on this list has worked with
> so-called "big iron" systmes.
>
> If so, I'm interested in reading about your experiences.
> Don't know if you want to share with the list or not.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Jim
>
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