[Coco] [Color Computer] updated wikipedia article

Thu Nov 17 15:56:24 EST 2005

Art 

To me it appears to point someone unknowing of the Coco Internals 
as thinking the two are near identical. At least that is my perception. 
Then I maybe out of bounds from the rest of the group.

james

On 17 Nov 2005 at 15:07, Arthur Flexser wrote:

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> I'm not really seeing the "glaring" error.  To say that the SAM
> contains a duplicate of the VDG's 12 bit address counter does not deny
> that the SAM might have more address bits available as well, just that
> 12 of its bits would normally duplicate the VDG's 12 bits.
> 
> Art
> 
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 jdaggett at gate.net wrote:
> 
> > Mike 
> > 
> > One glaring error that I see is in the following paragraph:
> > 
> > Due to limitations in 40 pin packaging, the SAM contains a duplicate
> > of the VDG's internal 12 bit address counter. Normally this
> > counter's settings are set to duplicate the VDG's display mode.
> > However this is not required and results in the creation of some new
> > display modes not possible when the VDG is used in a system alone.
> > 
> > The linear address counter for video memory in the SAM chip is a 16
> > bit counter and not a 12 bit counter. Setting the F0-F6 flip flops
> > allows the video ram to be set on any 512 byte boundary within the
> > 64K memory map. This difers from the MC6847. The VDG supplies the
> > lower 12 bits of address and has to rely on external address decode
> > logic to be able to map where video ram was located in 8K
> > boundaries. Due to the increase capabilites of the SAM chip's linear
> > address generator for video memory, the SAM chip inconjucntion with
> > the VDG allowed increase of three semi graphics video modes.  
> > 
> > Also someone unfamiliar with the Coco line would think that the
> > MC6883/74LS783 and the MC6847 were developed exclusively for the
> > Coco. This inference would not be true. Each chip can operate with
> > any 8 bit computer on its own and not with exclusively with the
> > MC6809/MC6809E.  Furthermore the MC6883 and the 74LS783 are the same
> > chip. The SAM chip is LSTTL logic and was done on a bipolar line as
> > opposed to the VDG chip which is High Density NMOS and done on a MOS
> > line. I am not sure that this is the "gospel" as to how it got two
> > part numbers but one possibility is related to which camp the part
> > went to. If sold under the LSTTL catalog it would have the 74LS783.
> > Conversely if sold under the Motorola Computer Products it had the
> > MC6883 label. I vaguely remember around the 1980 time frame that
> > there was a growing number of parts that carried dual numbers and 
> > there was a cleanup or consoldation of internal/external
> > documentation. 
> > 
> > Finally the ACVC or GIME is woefully breif if one is trying to give
> > a technical description of the hardware. The GIME chip is not 100%
> > backwards compatible. It is not just an integration of the MC6883
> > and the MC6847. It is by far a more complex IC than the previous
> > pair and a design of its own from the ground up.  
> > 
> > james
> > 
> > On 16 Nov 2005 at 19:52, Mike Pepe wrote:
> > 
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> > > Hi listers,
> > > 
> > > I was working on a "CoCo Tech" web page, but when I saw the entry
> > > for the Atari 8 bit machines on wikipedia I decided to integrate
> > > my work there instead.
> > > 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer
> > > 
> > > now includes a lot of hardware information, though I'm not sure if
> > > that would really be of interest to most people.
> > > 
> > > Comments are welcome.
> > > 
> > > -Mike
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