[Coco] Re: atari USB device

[Dave Gacke]

I guess what I'm getting at is this.

At 1.5mbps (Low Speed USB) your poll intervals come at 10ms fixed.

The packet sizes are 8 or up to 64 bytes, depending on which type of device
it is.

So it's either 800 bytes per second (8*100 polls/sec) or 6400 bytes per
second. 8 byte report size is for interrupt device, 64 byte for isochronous
or bulk.

Both packet types will fit inside your allocated frame time.




-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
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Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:20 AM
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Subject: RE: [Coco] Re: atari USB device

Dave 

Where I was definitely wrong on the Isochronous mode is that the limit is
1023 bytes 
per pipe, not packet. 

My understanding is at 1.5 Mbps, one bit time is 667 nS. So in 1 mS one can 
transmit 1500 bits or ~187 bytes theoretically. Add in the overhead for
polling and 
the actual data bytes transmitted is markably reduced. It seems realistic
that 8 bytes 
to 64 bytes of actual data would be a limiting amount in what can be sent in
the 1 
mS time slot. 

Considering that there initially be few devices on the bus, peripherals like
the 
keyboard or mouse can be allocated more bandwidth. 

james


On 22 Nov 2004 at 8:51, Dave Gacke wrote:

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> Hi James,
> 
> Unfortunately your math is a little off.
> 
> The part that everyone seems to miss about USB is the poll time. Since
> it is a polled device bus, at low speed, your polls come at 10ms
> intervals, and full speed they are at 1ms, and I forget what they are
> at high speed.
> 
> Anyway, you are severely limited by the rate at which you are polled.
> Per poll you can pass 1 packet, so its easy to figure out the
> throughput from that.
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:34 PM To: msmcdoug at optushome.com.au;
> CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: atari
> USB device
> 
> Mark
> 
> In handshake mode at high speed the data payload is either 8, 16, 32,
> or 64 bytes. In Low speed mode the max data payload is 8 bytes. Well
> capable for the Coco.
> 
> Isochronous mode, without hondshakes,  the data payload is limited to
> 1023 bytes.  
> 
> This is per the copy of the USB 1.1 Specs that I have. 
> 
> I personally think that Isochronous mode should never need to be used.
> 
> 
> What Torsten was thinking of was that a sector size for a Coco disk is
> 256 bytes. The SL811HS has the upper sixteen bytes of the buffer
> reserved for registers. This would leave the largest packet data size
> of 240 bytes. That ends up being 16 bytes shy of a disk sector. 
> 
> The only way to read a complete sector would be to break the 
> sector up into 4 64 byte packets. Each packet would take 42.7 
> microseconds to transfer and about 512 machine cycles to do a 
> load and store for the Coco. At  high speed that is about 286.2 
> micro seconds. Essential about 1.5 milliseconds to transfer data from
> a disk into the Coco. 
> 
> Not sure if we gain that much speed advantage. But maybe some. 
> The Disk drive itself is really the slow element of the whole process.
> 
> 
> james
> 
> 
> On 22 Nov 2004 at 9:42, Mark McDougall wrote:
> 
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> > USB data packets (at least v1.x) are only 64 bytes in length. So I'm
> > not sure what the 240 bytes refers to in your post. With the USB
> > protocol handling the handshaking the CoCo is left to emptying the
> > 64-byte packets as fast (or as slow) as it likes. I really don't see
> > an issue here.
> 
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