[Coco] Re: Coco Digest, Vol 9, Issue 24

[farna at att.net]

Tandy/Radio Shack is still a valid business, and relatively strong. They still hold a lot of patents and copyrights, and a whole slew of lawyres to defend them. They only sold their computer manufacturing division to AST. I don't think printing a few copies or even making a PDF file fromt the book and distributing it amongst a few hobbyists will get their attention at all though. Start selling it and they might get wind of it and issue a cease and desist order. That't about all they can do (as long as you stop selling), as they have to prove damages in order to sue. Don't follow the cease and desist order and they can probably get you prosecuted and fined though. 


--
Frank Swygert 
Publisher, "American Independent 
Magazine" (AIM) 
*Elite* publication for those 
interested in all 
aspects of AMC 
history,performance,restoration,etc 
. 
(AMC,Rambler,Nash,Hudson,Jeep,etc.) 
http:farna.home.att.net/AIM.html 
(free download available!) 



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> 1. Re: Barden Book (Torsten Dittel) 
> 2. Re: Re: Updated accurate memory map [forward] (KnudsenMJ at aol.com) 
> 3. Re: Re: Updated accurate memory map [forward] (KnudsenMJ at aol.com) 
> 4. Re: Updated accurate memory map [forward] (KnudsenMJ at aol.com) 
> 5. Unicode and MIME (was: Updated accurate memory map) 
> (James Dessart) 
> 6. Portal-9 Questions (Mannequin*) 
> 7. Re: Portal-9 Questions (Roger Taylor) 
> 8. Re: Portal-9 Questions (Roger Taylor) 
> 9. Re: Coco Digest, Vol 9, Issue 22 (farna at att.net) 
> 10. Re: Re: Coco Digest, Vol 9, Issue 22 (Neil Morrison) 
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> Message: 1 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:41:55 +0200 
> From: Torsten Dittel 
> Subject: [Coco] Re: Barden Book 
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com 
> Message-ID: <40EFD603.2643DCF8 at Dittel.info> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 
> 
> > I doubt any of these are him 
> 
> I'd bet it's the one of RI. Of course there are lot's of "William 
> Bardens", but I think "William T. Barden Jr." is quite unique. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> Torsten 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 2 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:02:37 EDT 
> From: KnudsenMJ at aol.com 
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: Updated accurate memory map [forward] 
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com 
> Message-ID: <1e6.24b8e3f5.2e21893d at aol.com> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" 
> 
> In a message dated 7/9/04 6:46:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> Torsten at Dittel.info writes: 
> 
> > > > it?™s out there. It?™s aggravating me. ??
> > > 
> > > Ugh! What is it that causes some keyboards or mailers to substitute 
> wacko 
> > > Euro character codes for a simple apostrophe/single-quote? 
> > 
> > Looks like the "Euro" character (€) is a trademark (?... 
> 
> I wonder why a single apostrophe generates THREE chars -- French 
> a-circumflex, Euro-sign, and TM? Actually, it appears that Euro and TM are 
> separate 
> codes here. 
> 
> FWIW, "TM" seems to be a "second-rate" or "US-only" char, as judged by the 
> fact that my Linux distro's version of version of Netscape doesn't recognize the 
> HTML code word for it (AMP-trade-COLON). 
> --Mike K. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 3 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:02:41 EDT 
> From: KnudsenMJ at aol.com 
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: Updated accurate memory map [forward] 
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com 
> Message-ID: <79.2e06a3bc.2e218941 at aol.com> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 
> 
> In a message dated 7/9/04 7:35:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, james at skwirl.ca 
> writes: 
> 
> > I think it must be Unicode encoding for the left-apostrophe. And the 
> > mailer didn't set MIME headers for it to tell other mail software that 
> > it's Unicode encoded. 
> 
> Here's an interesting question: If you actually see all the MIME-functions 
> listed in your received email text, does that mean that your mailer has failed 
> to recognize and act on them? I often get emails with all those MIME headers 
> in them visible, and I'm wondering if they shouldn't be hidden whenever the 
> mail reader does recognize them? 
> 
> This would be like the messages we all see with some HTML codes scattered 
> thru it (that gawdawful nbsp and DIV statements mostly), but not enough HTML 
> headers to trigger the mail reader into displaying the HTML as such. 
> 
> I figure that when I get messages from Vienna and Paris with perfectly 
> rendered characters, that there was some MIME or similar header that my mailer 
> intercepted and acted on, and doesn't show me. 
> 
> Sorry I don't recall whether the message with the messy characters had 
> visible MIME headers in it or not. I always blamed those on outdated UNIX 
> mailers 
> or Macs, but who knows? 
> 
> Also, why are some keyboards generating a "left apostrophe?" We already 
> have, in ASCII, the back-tick ( ` ) for programmers who need balanced single 
> quotes. 
> --Mike K. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 4 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:02:42 EDT 
> From: KnudsenMJ at aol.com 
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Updated accurate memory map [forward] 
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com 
> Message-ID: <42.5285f5d3.2e218942 at aol.com> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 
> 
> In a message dated 7/9/04 6:59:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> bathory at maltedmedia.com writes: 
> 
> > Charset = UTF-8. I think you'll be getting used to this. :) 
> 
> Is there any setting I can make in my OS or emailer to make it more likely to 
> interpret UTF-8? Or just hope that the correct MIME headers come thru in 
> each email? I went thru my Control Panel but none of the options seem to apply. 
> 
> Does UTF-8 use 16 bits for extended characters, or is it just the unused 
> upper 128 codes of ASCII (which you can get by holding ALT while typing 3 or 4 
> digits)? I guess the "8" answers that :-) 
> Thanks, Mike K. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 5 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:35:46 -0400 
> From: James Dessart 
> Subject: [Coco] Unicode and MIME (was: Updated accurate memory map) 
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed 
> 
> 
> On 10-Jul-04, at 2:02 PM, KnudsenMJ at aol.com wrote: 
> 
> > I wonder why a single apostrophe generates THREE chars -- French 
> > a-circumflex, Euro-sign, and TM? Actually, it appears that Euro and 
> > TM are separate 
> > codes here. 
> 
> and 
> 
> > Does UTF-8 use 16 bits for extended characters, or is it just the 
> > unused 
> > upper 128 codes of ASCII (which you can get by holding ALT while 
> > typing 3 or 4 
> > digits)? I guess the "8" answers that :-) 
> 
> Actually, for ASCII characters, it uses 8 bits. For any unicode 
> character that needs more than that, a code is used to initiate an 
> extended sequence (in this case, the a-circumflex) and other bytes 
> follow. I believe there are unicode characters that require more than 
> two bytes. 
> 
> > Is there any setting I can make in my OS or emailer to make it more 
> > likely to 
> > interpret UTF-8? Or just hope that the correct MIME headers come thru 
> > in 
> > each email? I went thru my Control Panel but none of the options seem 
> > to apply. 
> 
> I know there's a setting in mine. It's the Text Encoding, which might 
> be set to be ISO Latin. It's usually the default. 
> 
> > Here's an interesting question: If you actually see all the 
> > MIME-functions 
> > listed in your received email text, does that mean that your mailer 
> > has failed 
> > to recognize and act on them? I often get emails with all those MIME 
> > headers 
> > in them visible, and I'm wondering if they shouldn't be hidden 
> > whenever the 
> > mail reader does recognize them? 
> 
> If you see MIME separators and the like, the mailer hasn't processed 
> them. I usually only see this in SPAM. 
> 
> > Also, why are some keyboards generating a "left apostrophe?" We 
> > already 
> > have, in ASCII, the back-tick ( ` ) for programmers who need balanced 
> > single 
> > quotes. 
> 
> It's not the keyboard, it's the software. In some text editing 
> software, and I guess emailers, doing a " after a space will give you 
> the right quote, and after other characters, the left quote. Same with 
> the apostrophe. I hated it when Word used to do that to me... Mac Word 
> Version 5 (long time ago) did it, and I turned it off as soon as I 
> figured out how. 
> 
> I had always wondered why ` was used... :) now I know. :) 
> 
> James 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 6 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:10:20 -0500 
> From: Mannequin* 
> Subject: [Coco] Portal-9 Questions 
> To: cocomedia 
> Message-ID: <20040710141020.51c4d06f.mannslists at invigorated.org> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 
> 
> Hi, I just downloaded Portal-9 1.5.5 from coco3.com and I had a few 
> questions... 
> 
> First, I cannot find ccasm (or it's equivalent) anywhere. The page says 
> that it is installed with Portal-9, but I can find it on my HD. 
> 
> Next, I installed Portal-9 at "C:\Program Files\Portal-9". I have a 
> problem with Portal-9 resetting my settings when it starts and setting 
> all of my paths specific to Portal-9 to "C:\Program". (I've done the old 
> "C:\progra~1\portal-9" work-around to fix this.) -- I guess this is more 
> of an FYI than a question... 
> 
> Last, even though I have set the preference that I have a "coco3" in the 
> prefs file, it keeps on reverting me back to the "coco3h" or the 6309. I 
> need this to remain at "coco3" because I only use a stock Color Computer 
> 3. Is there a way to fix this? 
> 
> Thanks again for making it easier to write BASIC and ASM files for the 
> Coco. :) 
> 
> -M. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 7 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:11:14 -0500 
> From: Roger Taylor 
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Portal-9 Questions 
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040710160055.01c11768 at pop.bayou.com> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 
> 
> At 02:10 PM 7/10/2004, you wrote: 
> >First, I cannot find ccasm (or it's equivalent) anywhere. The page says 
> 
> It's in c:\windows 
> 
> 
> >Next, I installed Portal-9 at "C:\Program Files\Portal-9". I have a 
> >problem with Portal-9 resetting my settings when it starts and setting 
> >all of my paths specific to Portal-9 to "C:\Program". (I've done the old 
> >"C:\progra~1\portal-9" work-around to fix this.) -- I guess this is more 
> >of an FYI than a question... 
> 
> You should avoid spaces in your pathnames until I track down why Portal-9 
> has an issue with this. This is why the paths are being set to c:\Program 
> because the " Files" portion is being chopped off for some reason. 
> 
> The best place to install is the suggested folder, c:\Portal-9 or d:\Portal-9. 
> 
> 
> >Last, even though I have set the preference that I have a "coco3" in the 
> >prefs file, it keeps on reverting me back to the "coco3h" or the 6309. I 
> >need this to remain at "coco3" because I only use a stock Color Computer 
> >3. Is there a way to fix this? 
> 
> Hmm. I thought I fixed that. Let me rebuild a new installer for the 
> latest version and get it posted. I'll notify the list when it's 
> online. Until then, the coco3h setting should work excellent for you. 
> 
> 
> ---------- 
> Roger Taylor 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 8 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:15:50 -0500 
> From: Roger Taylor 
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Portal-9 Questions 
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040710191323.01b9c1e8 at pop.bayou.com> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 
> 
> At 04:11 PM 7/10/2004, you wrote: 
> >At 02:10 PM 7/10/2004, you wrote: 
> >>First, I cannot find ccasm (or it's equivalent) anywhere. The page says 
> > 
> >It's in c:\windows 
> 
> I forgot to mention - it's called cm.exe. 'cm' is so much easier to type 
> over and over at the prompt than 'ccasm'. :) 
> 
> 
> ---------- 
> Roger Taylor 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 9 
> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 02:02:29 +0000 
> From: farna at att.net 
> Subject: [Coco] Re: Coco Digest, Vol 9, Issue 22 
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com 
> Message-ID: 
> <071120040202.8984.40F09FB4000C2B780000231821602810600E029D0E00 at att.net> 
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> I hate to throw a monkey wrench in the search for Bill Barden, but Tandy may 
> hold the copyright to the CoCo assembly language book. If so, you'll have to 
> deal with their legal staff. I forget who I contacted, but they might be willing 
> to work with you since it's an item that no longer generates income for them. I 
> got permission to reprint all the CoCo schematics in "Tandy's Little Wonder", 
> but I had to send them a list of everything I wanted to reprint. An entire book 
> they might have a problem with, especially putting it in the Public Domain. You 
> might have better luck getting permission to make a limited amount of copies, to 
> be made in a not for profit manner. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Frank Swygert 
> Publisher, "American Independent 
> Magazine" (AIM) 
> *Elite* publication for those 
> interested in all 
> aspects of AMC 
> history,performance,restoration,etc 
> . 
> (AMC,Rambler,Nash,Hudson,Jeep,etc.) 
> http:farna.home.att.net/AIM.html 
> (free download available!) 
> 
> 
> 
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> > Message: 1 
> > Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:31:37 -0500 
> > From: smostrom at mn.rr.com 
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] Barden Book 
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts 
> > Message-ID: <80aebf80e63e.80e63e80aebf at rdc-kc.rr.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 10 
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:23:39 -0700 
> From: "Neil Morrison" 
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: Coco Digest, Vol 9, Issue 22 
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" 
> Message-ID: <002801c466ee$5c050920$e05c79d1 at bc.hsia.telus.net> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" 
> 
> 
> Except that they sold everything they owned (excluding the Microsoft stuff 
> and the 'bought in' items) to AST Computers and . . . . 
> 
> "The site you are about to visit is maintained by InteliSol, Inc. InteliSol 
> is not associated with AST Computer. AST Computer is no longer in business. 
> InteliSol at one time provided technical support and parts for AST 
> Computers, but now only provides this static web site for informational 
> purposes. There are no technicians at InteliSol trained to assist you with 
> technical issues on AST computers, and we no longer stock any parts." 
> 
> That's why I would publish the stuff and wait for the whining - if any 
> occurs. I expect to hear from R/S right after I hear from the makers of 
> buggy whips and gas mantles. 
> 
> NM 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> 
> 
> > I hate to throw a monkey wrench in the search for Bill Barden, but Tandy 
> may hold the copyright to the CoCo assembly language book. If so, you'll 
> have to deal with their legal staff. I forget who I contacted, but they 
> might be willing to work with you since it's an item that no longer 
> generates income for them. I got permission to reprint all the CoCo 
> schematics in "Tandy's Little Wonder", but I had to send them a list of 
> everything I wanted to reprint. An entire book they might have a problem 
> with, especially putting it in the Public Domain. You might have better luck 
> getting permission to make a limited amount of copies, to be made in a not 
> for profit manner. 
> > 
> > Frank Swygert 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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