[Coco] NitrOS-9 newbie needs some help
goosey at virgo.sdc.org
Mon Aug 9 05:41:51 EDT 2004
>From: Nickolas Marentes <NickM at qm.qld.gov.au>
>Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:07:33 +1000
>This leads me to the present. My next idea is to try and replace the RAMS in
>my 512K upgrade (I have a 2 x 256Mb SIMM type upgrade) with another
>brand...if I can find some.
I've got a 512K SIMM upgrade, too. Never had a problem.
>1) Why should NitrOS-9 be so fussy? I have NEVER had a problem with
>1) my CoCo3
OS-9 pushes the hardware pretty hard (NitrOS-9 pushes harder), in
different ways from the (beautiful, fast, rockin') games you've turned
out.. And the hardware is, after all, nearly 20 years old.
Your formatting problems might be a sign of this. For instance, the
old, slow OS-9 gave floppy drives 30ms to do a seek. NitrOS-9? 6ms.
If you're unlucky you may have a floppy drive that's just too tired to
>(A PAL unit mind you, could this be the problem?).
As someone already said, yep, especially if you're on 50Hz power.
>2) Other than the formatting, NitrOS-9 otherwise behaved
>perfectly. Is there a GUI available for it? [..] I know of MultiVue
>but I shudder at trying to run that again.
On a hard drive, MultiVue isn't too bad. It's not the greatest GUI
ever seen, but it's not bad.
>4) Have there been any new (well, newer than 1992) applications written for
Check on RTSI. There weren't a lot of major OS-9 apps.
>Boisy and everyone else involved have done a marvalous job with
>I guess I'm looking at it all from a newbie/outsider
>perspective. NitrOS-9 could do with a bit of "glitz". This would come
>in the form of a GUI front end and updated applications.
Well, about the only parts of Multivue that don't have freely
available patchs/replacements for are control, and the demo apps.
There's a couple of different gshells (the GUI front end itself) to
>Sure, I'd like to develop for it but it's taken me over 15 years to
>get this far. I hate having to battle with the OS. The OS should be
>a tool towards creating other applications.
The downside of running an OS in active development itself... ;-)
>So far, OS-9 has been like a bent screwdriver with me spending more
>time trying to get the bends out that actually fixing the job at
And if you want to do real development on it, you need the rest of the
toolbox. (C, the dev system, etc).
>NitrOS-9 certainly has fixed many of the problems of the original CoCo3
I have to admit, the NitrOS-9 distribution is geared towards those of
us that already have OS-9, already know it, and already have all the
other pieces. And even then, Boisy manages to throw us a few curve
>I'me determined to get it right this time. I've spent a week on it so far.
>I'll give it another week...before giving up again.
Rather than wait for Boisy and friends to get their updated docs
online, I recommend tracking down copies of the regular OS-9 docs,
either on-line or on paper. So far, Boisy's changes have mostly been
either cosmetic (command-line option changes) or hidden internally
(bug fixes, speedups). OS-9 is a pretty complicated thing, with
a different design concept than you may be used to.
And, if you can afford it, go with a hard drive. OS-9 (of any
version) is SO much happier with a hard drive.
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